The Majority Report with Sam Seder - 3531 - GOP Passes Long Sought Brutality Bill w/ Heather ‘Digby’ Parton

Episode Date: July 3, 2025

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On the program today, Heather Digby Parton help us review this week and absorb the impending vote on Capitol Hill. Then later in the program, Brandon Sutton of the discourse and Matt Bender of doomed and scam economy and the

disruptionist. Also on the program, Republicans appear to be on the verge of passing the single largest giveaway to rich, to the rich, and destruction of the safety net in decades. in anticipation of ice having a budget larger than many countries' armies downloads of the app ice block soar the app

ice block ice block the app on all platforms as Trump dismantles the National Science Foundation America's brain drain picks up pace. And a new report,

Donald Trump was the one who planted the New York Times article on Elon Musk's drug use. I mean, it's not like everybody didn't know. But I gave the blessing. Kilmara Brago Garcia apparently was beaten and tortured in Trump's buddies El Salvador Gulag. Meanwhile, Israel kills 94 Palestinians over the past day, including 45, who were waiting for food.

This, after U.S. contractors say colleagues are firing live ammo at those Palestinians waiting for food. Wisconsin Supreme Court strikes down the 176-year-old zombie abortion law. That's a direct result. of that election in April. Dr. Phil's anti-woke TV network goes belly up, despite all the great ride-alongs with ice. Doron Mamdani gets the New York City Teacher Union endorsement, and the FCC blocks its own ban on prison phone price gouging.

Lastly, the economy adds 147,000 jobs, expectations, but half of those are seasonally adjusted state and municipal government hires. All this and more on today's majority report. Welcome, ladies and gentlemen. Thanks so much for joining us. It's another one of those days. We are right now as we speak. Hakeem Jeffries is on the floor of the house. We could even just bring up some live footage. I mean, let's just check in. I'm not sure how much it does.

This is known as the Magic Minute. And apparently, I'm not sure of the specific details of this parliamentary procedure, but prior to this final vote. democrats uh for whatever reason i think it's just the minority leader gets the opportunity to uh address the house kevin mccarthy did something like this uh prior to a democratic uh budget i think he spoke for eight hours uh jeffreys has been doing this now for seven i think it is. Seven hours, 15 minutes, yep. Seven hours and 15 minutes. Is there a value to it? Um, it doesn't cost anything. It's really a shot. And,

Federman might miss his beach holiday, but, uh, well, I think Federman's already gone. I mean, the Senate is already gone. So just to give you a sense of what's going on here, a rule had to be passed to essentially adopt i think uh the senate bill as is and now we're going to about to have the vote on the house signing off essentially on the senate bill the the senate bill was even worse than the one that the house produced two weeks ago or a week ago it cuts a trillion dollars from medicaid uh we'll go through this with with digby But supposedly, according to the reporting, Johnson says he has the votes to pass this bill. He expects to lose one or two votes.

I think one of them is probably going to be, I think it's Fitzpatrick from Pennsylvania. I don't know who the other will be, maybe Massey. All of the Freedom Caucus people folded. and um we will go into uh why let's let's take uh who do we have a norman is that is that who we have yes number six number six okay so um number six no ralph norman explains why flip flop and supports the bill i don't maybe that's number no i don't have have that as number six but okay um let's go to uh uh uh

Ralph Norman, explaining why he supports the bill after coming out so strongly against it. So what I don't understand is you had a view that was negative about this bill yesterday. Is there something different about the bill today? Yeah, it is. We met with President Trump, and, you know, he did a master job of laying out how we could improve it, how he could use, as his chief executive office, use things to make the bill better. So there's going to be, so there are big distinctions between, I guess what I'm trying to understand is the bill that was sent from the Senate, back to you, is fundamentally different from yesterday to today? Because then the Senate would have to... No, we accepted the bill as is. What's different is President Trump is going to use his powers to, like on the subsidies,

to make sure that a lot of these subsidies won't remain in effect, you know, from here on out. Okay. Now, he's obviously a little bit tired and just trying to pretend like there's some reason why he's voting for. They all came out, the Freedom Caucus guys, came out and said, well, we spoke to the president and he is going to crack down on the green or the sustainable energy tax subsidies and make sure that they're all legit over the course of the next six months where businesses have. have to start, and I think it is spend 5% of what the total cost of their projects are, and supposedly he's going to crack down. That is the story that the Freedom Caucus is trying to push as to what changed to make them support a bill that creates a near $4 trillion deficit, and that's even, I think,

with the funky math that they're doing. that cuts a trillion dollars from Medicaid, that cuts hundreds of billions from SNAP, and that cuts massive taxes for the rich. But their big, sticky point was we really want you to be tough in making sure that you're giving out these tax subsidies for the next six months, as opposed to the next nine years. which was slated in a legit way it's just a pathetic but we'll see if that is enough to um to uh play k people here is i want to do this clip two this is one of the big lies and uh we'll talk to digby about this because i just don't know that the democrats did a particularly good job in

in articulating a like you know what these cuts really mean um here is steve skilis and and you've heard this not this clip but you've heard everything that is being said in this clip multiple times over the past month or two um here's steve skilis on the floor i guess this was sometime yesterday. If you're disabled on Medicaid, right now you've been crowded out of those programs by people turning down work, able-bodied people, 35-year-olds sitting at home playing video games. They're going to now have to go get a job. That's right. And by the way, that's a good thing for them. Their mom doesn't want them sitting in the basement playing video games anyway,

but now it no longer will be crowding out Medicaid for the truly needy people who deserve it. Okay, aside from the lie about all these unemployed people, we know from Arkansas and from Georgia when they tested these work requirements out that what happens is that people who are eligible end up just being swamped with paperwork and they can't get through it. Sometimes they're working so much. They don't have time to do it. But Medicaid does not crowd out anybody. You either eligible for Medicaid or you're not eligible for Medicaid. It is akin to an automatic stabilizer. When the need grows and the number of people who pass a threshold or drop below a, I guess you could say, a threshold of income, grows, they get added to Medicaid.

Medicaid roles are not static. Snap is not static. There is no one number of people who will be covered by Medicaid or who will receive SNAP benefits. And so it's a lie. It's not about crowding out anybody. And it's also not about savings to reinvest in Medicaid. because all of those savings are going out the door in tax cuts to wealthy people. So this isn't going to extend the future of the program.

This isn't going to prevent people from being crowded out. Everybody knows what's going to happen. anywhere from 14 to 18 million people now with this Senate bill are going to lose their health care. And we're all going to end up paying for it. I mean, some people, tens of thousands a year are going to pay with their lives. But we're also going to end up paying for it in terms of expense. but i don't know we'll talk to digby in a moment get her sense as to whether democrats

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majority rep at liquid ivy dot com all right quick break and we'll be talking to have their parton or as you may know her digby I don't know. I don't know. Thank you. We are back, Sam Cedar On the majority of part, Emma Vigland out. She'll be back on Monday.

Reminder, we are off tomorrow. It is July 4th. So joining us, what is sort of like a casual non really casual Thursday Heather Parton or Digby Matt

Sorry Brian's not ready to do it Go to the soundboard Oh it's Brian's fault All right well We can imagine the song We don't want to play it on a non-Friday Oh there we go Okay

There you go Brian has gotten to sea legs now. So right now as we speak, Hakeem Jeffries is in his eighth hour of his so-called magic minute where the rule to vote on the bill has been passed at 3 in the morning or 3.30 in the morning, I think it was.

And when he is done, they're going to vote on the bill. And on some level, some level, it's like sort of a, performative thing to make it seem like the Democrats have put put up a fight and you know there's definitely value in that we're moving into the sort of the communication messaging stage of all this although I want to talk to you about what kind of job the Democrats have done up to now and then the other thing is like who knows maybe somebody goes out and gets a sandwich and they get run over by a bicycle and they've got to go to the hospital and they you know just hurt their leg and can't

vote or something like that. I mean, who knows what can happen, but very likely that this bill is going to pass. What is what are your, what's the first thing that comes to your mind about this situation? Well, you know, I mean, it's depressing as hell. I mean, we knew going in the minute that Donald Trump won the election and they won the majority that this was likely to happen. I never had any hope that whatever legislation they came up with was going to be, you know, anything but horrific, just judging by the people that they are. And the agenda of Project 2025 and the agenda of Donald Trump. And let's face facts, the agenda of the Republican Party, which is essentially what we're seeing here. You can blame Donald Trump all you want, but, you know, and he's terrible and he's, there's, you know, a lot about the immigration policy that's,

in here, which is horrifying, that comes stems directly from him and Stephen Miller and the whole crowd around him on immigration. But nonetheless, this is a Republican, you know, wet dream, basically. The only thing missing is there, you know, a big chance to take out Social Security. So they're going to have to save that for the next time because, you know, there's not going to be anything left to cut when they're done here. They've been wanting to go after Medicaid for since the day it was it was you know enacted and Medicare too and they're taking a dive at that as well in this we talked about this last time if you recall that if they hit over the certain deficit level entirely possible they're going to hit that pago and they're going to have

to cut Medicare and they'll just have to I'm sure they'll just shrug their shoulder to say hey what can we do you know this is the rules it's automatic yeah yeah we just we can't you know nothing we can do about it. That's just how this works. Sorry, guys. And it's, you know, it's an absolute nightmare, but think about this. This is what the Republicans have been wanting to do for as long as I can remember. And, you know, people keep going on and on and on about how, oh, you know, this is such political suicide and why, you know, why are they doing this? And this is terrible. Why would they take this chance? And, you know, this is the new modern Republican Party, which is we're going to do everything we ever wanted to do and just tell everybody else to just pound sand. They don't

care if the public doesn't like it. They don't care if their own voters don't like it because they're getting away with everything. And Mitch McConnell said it. He said it right out in the meeting. They're going, well, what are we going to do? Our constituents, blah, blah, blah. And he's stuck it over it. And he's probably right. People have, you know, they're worried about, you know, the price of eggs. And they don't care. Now, I don't know if this is true about the upcoming election in 2026. I don't know if people remember then or what catastrophe will have happened in the meantime. But their own voters, the idea that they are going to have even have the information or be able to absorb the fact that this has been done to them by their own party, I think Mitch McConnell is on to something.

I think they have been so, you know, for lack of a better word, brainwashed that they'll, accept whatever it is that the Republicans do and find a way to blame someone else. They certainly won't blame Trump. And so Republicans are getting everything that they can get all at once just because they know they can. And this is really, really a dangerous, dangerous moment. This is the moment that Grover Norquist, we all remember him, right? Yes, yes. The guy who said, you know, I just want to make government small enough so we can drag

to the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub. That's what he said. And that's where we're at. In fact, he wrote a piece for Breitbart Daily Caller, I'm now a couple weeks ago saying this is what I was talking about. You get it in there, you get the deficit. And by the way, getting the deficits up is part of the plan, right? If you get it up so high that the economy really does get, you know, endangered.

You see this capital leaving and you see the dollar fall. and all in the bond market having an earthquake. These are the kind of effects of a deficit, as Paul Krigman just said today, he sort of pointed out what the dynamic is, that when you get deficits up this high and you have a government that no one believes in anymore, that's when you have the problem. Because if people believe that a big, strong country like the United States, with its huge economy and very powerful, that even if they run high deficits, You know, most people figure, hey, that, you know, these are serious people.

They're not going to take the world economy. Well, nobody believes that anymore. So there's very possibly going to be serious ramifications from high deficits, which is exactly what Grover Norquist and his people want because that's just another domino to fall, right? The economy is terrible. We have to cut, cut, cut, cut. We've got to do all this stuff. And that's what they're looking for.

It's what they've always been looking for. And that's not Donald Trump. Donald Trump is a dullard. He doesn't even know what he's, you know, doing. Wasn't Grover Norquist prior to Trump's election, in addition to saying the drowning the bathtub, which I know was like back from the aughts. But the other quote, I think it was Grover Norquist, if I'm not mistaken, was all I need is a president who can hold a pen.

Yes. And he said with working digits who can hold a pen. He can hold a pen. And, you know, let's let's do first order things first. and that is recriminations. Always the best to start with. I mean, starting in the summer of 2016, you had Democratic leaders like Clinton, Chuck Schumer, in particular,

and Pelosi, who refused to tie the Republican Party to Donald Trump. Right. Like, I remember just my hair on fire in the fall of 2016 going, where is Mitch McConnell? Where is Paul Ryan? Like, they were able to hide as Donald Trump. And the Democrats have from the very beginning tried to make Donald Trump something other than a Republican, which was not only a bad idea, was not only sort of a delusion.

in keeping up like who the Republicans are because it kept feeding this notion of like their fever's going to break, they're going to be something different. Like they thought Donald Trump was some type of exogenous thing that came upon the Republicans as opposed to the Republican Party

moving in a direction where Donald Trump made absolute sense. Absolutely. And by in and not only like by by divorcing Donald Trump from the Republican Party, they made Donald Trump a anti-establishment outsider figure when in fact

he was going to fulfill everything that the Republican Party wanted and more than they ever thought they could fulfill. Yes. You are so right. And so this has been a consistent like,

and they have not learned the James Carvel Chuck Schumer mentality of like Donald Trump's going to do himself in. He's going to do himself in. He's going to do himself in. And they just keep waiting and waiting and waiting and

and refraining from tying the Republican Party and just saying we're running against Republicans. This is a Republican bill. Mitt Romney would have done something very, very similar if he had the opportunity. The only difference is that Donald Trump has more popularity with their base than a Mitt Romney would have it might not have been able

we might have had that same type of situation when we had with Obama which is where you had the Freedom Caucus actually won't take yes for an answer but who knows because it's a different dynamic when the president is of your own party

but it seems to me the Democratic Party still fundamentally does not get this or I should say the leadership does not get this idea that Donald Trump is a Republican, the Republicans are Donald Trump, and you cannot run against them separately, or you cannot, like, spare the entire party.

As you say, Donald Trump is a MAGA, a super MAGA, Max, MAGA, you know, Max Wright, whatever it is, whatever dumb thing that you think that this is somehow making Donald Trump alienated from Republican voters, they just got their tax cuts. That's all they care about. And they got rid of the Medicaid. That's all they care about.

That's right. No, you couldn't be more right about this. And it's always, I mean, it's thirked both of us over the years from the very beginning when Donald Trump came on the scene. Because, you know, for one thing, you know, it also lets their voters off the hook. I'm sorry. This whole idea about saying, well, you know, as soon as Donald Trump is gone, then, you know, all the good Republicans will be able to come back and we'll have a good normal Republican party again. I'm going, when was that? When did we have, you know, how long has it been since there was some kind of, you know, even the myth about, you know, how they went up to the White House during Watergate and told Nixon that he had to go and they were being very responsible.

There's a little bullshit in that, too, because the truth is, is that there were a bunch of Southern Democrats also who were Nixon people. And there's a whole complicated kind of backstory about that. That's not quite as clear and clean cut as everybody wants to think. The Republican Party has been full of, you know, jackasses since for, you know, well, probably forever, but it's just since it's bifurcated, you know, where we've polarized into two tribes that, you know, where they have very little in common and very little bipartisanship, that it's become more clear about what's going on. And the idea that somehow they're going to go back to being good stewards of the economy and people you can work with and good bipartisanship, well, let's just say that ship sailed a long time ago. and it had nothing to do with Donald Trump. It had much more to do with guys like Grover Norquist. And those people from the Reagan era,

those guys like Ralph Reed and Jack Abramoff and the people that came up all the way, this is going back to the early 80s, where they were setting this up. That's the conservative movement. John Roberts. John Roberts came right out of that group. And, you know, this has been,

and so now we're here where they've got the president with the working digits that can sign legislation, which is all Grover wanted. And he's got it because they've got someone in the White House who they can manage like a child, like a, you know, a mad king where you kind of, you know, he got to give him some stuff, give him some things that he wants and got to flatter him and do this, that and the other. But come on, everybody, let's face it. He'll sign this big, beautiful bill. We'll even call it that to make him happy. And all this stuff that's in there.

Because, I mean, yesterday there was a story. I think it was a notice saying, oh, you know, they're sending these guys, these emissaries up from the Congress up to the White House so he can work them. And he's saying, if you touch Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security, you're not going to get reelected. You know, you can't touch those. And one of the guys goes, but we're touching Medicaid. And he doesn't actually, I mean, in his mind, he's so into his own hype and his own, you know, lies and delusions. that he maybe has come to believe their story that, you know, it's just a bunch of 25-year-old guys in the basement who are, you know, they're being very scrupulous about getting their health care and we've got to stop that so they can go out and get a job. I mean, this is the kind of thing that, that, you know, it makes it very easy for these guys to fulfill their long-held agenda.

Nothing new about this. Cutting Medicaid to the bone is not new. I would even suggest, that aside from the sort of autopsy that came out of 2012, you remember in the Republican Party, we said, well, you know, we've really got to do more to appeal to Latinos and we've got to deal with immigration. We've got to be kinder and gentler or whatever it was. That that was an anomaly. Because I lasted five minutes.

Yeah, it lasted five minutes. And Donald Trump proved that nobody cared about any of that. And this whole immigration thing, building a police state, definitely a Republican thing. I mean, Mitt Romney, if I'm not mistaken, Mitt Romney's immigration advisor was Chris Kobach. Yes. And, and, and, you know, he was talking about self deportation.

I mean, this was, this was, this is not that dramatically different. You know, Donald Trump may be more brusk. It's cruder, yeah. And he sells it probably better than Mitt Romney because, you know, Mitt Romney had a stiff jaw as he was delivering this stuff. but the policy apparatus, the theories are the same. I mean, we are on the verge of, do we have this graphic? We'll put it up in a second.

The ICE budget, this is the other thing. I mean, there are obviously $100 billion increase to annually to defense. But the ICE budget goes up to some crazy figure. Almost as much as defense. Incredible. In terms of the bump. And we're going to be hiring, was it something like 10,000 new ice agents?

It's going to be a bigger police force than the FBI. It's going to be more ice agents than FBI agents. Brian, do we have that graphic? Can you put that up? This is relative to other countries. you will see the defense budgets of a bunch of countries and then you can see the what ice budget is

it is I mean this is crazy and you know this isn't there it is it 37 and a half billion dollars it has a bigger budget than the defense then the defense budget for Italy Israel Netherlands Brazil

I can't make out that last one down there but um Switzerland it's Switzerland well Switzerland and I mean this is we're going to see this everywhere we're going to see ice

everywhere everywhere and so they're giving these thugs that are out there with the masks and, you know, armed to the teeth like they're, you know, storming Fallujah, they're giving them huge bonuses, like $50,000 bonuses. I think it's a $10,000 bonus, a signing bonus.

Yeah. Well, I think they're, and they're giving, you know, retention bonuses that are even more than that. This, I mean, this is police state stuff. And, and it's definitely happening. And by the way, a lot of this money is going to go to building more. of those concentration camps, like they just built down in Florida. And in fact, what was it? Trump was saying, I'd like to see these in every state.

Yep. So, I mean, this is, and you can tell, you know, I hate to say this, but it's so true. He's got, you know, Trump and Christy Nome and Rhonda Santos were down there the other day. They were so aroused by this. I mean, you can just feel it, the excitement. They had Benny Johnson down there, go ahead. Oh, look, they've got, you know, concentration cramp merch. She didn't say concentration camp, but, you know, that's what he meant.

And he's got, they're wearing hats and they're doing all this. I mean, it's so sick. It's not, there's nothing serious about, about the, what they're doing. It's, it's, it's like it's fun or something. And it's, it's absolutely grotesque. And they're throwing money at it. And by the way, let's just talk about what the potential there is. The corruption you were going to see in this DHS budget is so beyond.

I, and probably in the defense budget as well, because it's getting a huge bump. And they didn't need any more money, but apparently they're going to get it. And, you know, let me, you know, do you think Pete Hegseth might be, you know, getting a little little something, something out of all this? Because I think he probably is. And I think that the people in DHS probably are, we already know that Christy Nome's been, been grifting off of her, her dark money campaign stuff. You know, this $50,000 Rolex that she wore down to El Salvador, you know, Dave, so I think it was ProPublica last week. who traced the fact that she was taking some,

she was taken a little extra for herself out of one of her, you know, I don't know, dark money, you know. Outside expenditure. Yeah, one of her outside groups. So, you know, the potential for corruption and graft in this new DHS bill is beyond. Because I think we're already seeing this. I think we may have talked about this last time I was on.

you know, all these, they're detaining all these people at borders, you know, coming in Australians and Japanese people, Canadians, whatever, they're putting them into these detention centers. They're private prisons. They're being run by, you know, private companies that are getting paid per person that is in there. There is a huge potential. And there's no oversight, zero. And I don't know who, you know, who's going to look at it. So, I mean, this, The combination there of the financial incentive, the thrill of finally getting their, you know, their dream come true, here we are. We're on the verge of watching this thing happen. And, you know, I think just like you, I trace it back to the fact that the Republican Party has been skating this entire time that Donald Trump has been in and been allowed to not, you know, take any of the responsibility for what has happened.

and yet it remained sort of, you know, semi-respectable in the eyes of the public, mainly because I don't think Democrats, they always wanted to preserve this idea that the good Republicans will come back. We need two parties. I mean, this has just been insanity the way that they've been talking about this stuff. You know, like as if, I mean, even if you believed it, even if you believe that we need a Republican party to say it, is just absolutely like are you like like you're Nancy Pelosi and uh or you're Chuck Schumer or

you're Joe Biden and you're out there you're worried that if you don't say we need a good Republican party that they're going to go away and like like what like what what what what kind of magical thinking is going on in your head it's just sort of it's the the the absolute failure. And, you know, we just played a clip of Steve Scalise. We can play that other clip. Let's play that other clip that we have that is virtually identical. Brian, who was she on with, oh, did I put that in there?

Maybe it was, maybe I just watched it. Wolf Blitzer won with another, you know, Republican. The whole argument about 34-year-old. old playing video games on his mom's in his mom's basement he's going to have to go get a job and we are keeping that guy from kicking out from Medicaid somebody who needs it that's a lie Medicaid is not a fixed number of people it is you cross a threshold in terms of income or you drop below a threshold of income I should say or this notion that we're somehow saving it for the future when of course all the cuts from Medicaid are going to fund tax cuts right not like they're

being we're saving all this money we're putting it back into some type of uh you know trust fund uh for the future or reinvesting it in Medicaid that's not what's happening here and it feels like the Democrats have not had to been or been able to articulate um Um, like, get the message out to the public in the proper way, uh, you know, getting distracted by things like Iran, you know, he's going to make an Iran deal, uh, or going on an anti-Semitism book tour. I mean, honestly, like, what the hell is going on with that? It is just so blinkered. and and and I just look Mike Johnson is there

is Speaker of the House because the Republicans kept kicking out their speakers you and I saw like 10 Republican speakers over the term that Nancy Pelosi was there and Mitch McConnell was that a longtime Republican

the Senate majority lawyer probably one of the from from their perspective the best maybe in the history of republican uh oh i'm sure uh in terms of what he was able to achieve but the idea that democrats are so unwilling to challenge their leadership um out of incompetence now nobody thought that uh you know mike johnson was going to be able to do this type of thing uh everybody thought that he was going to be a total incompetent he very well may be and it could just be a function of Donald Trump is enough to scare a lot of these people because their districts are so dominated by Trump.

But there's a real failure here, and it just seems like over and over and over again, Democrats refuse the leadership, refused to recognize it. And it's just a question of like, we've got to get them out. Well, you know, I mean, do you see any evidence that that's happening? I mean, maybe. I don't say, you know, you see David Hogg attempt to primary people from within the DNC. I just had Randy Weingarten on yesterday. And, you know, they weren't, she wasn't explicit about it. But there was a sense of like, we don't feel like there's enough churn going on here in the attitude of the Democratic Party.

And so, I mean, there's nascent things, but it's all coming from outside of. seems to be all coming from outside of, like, the lawmakers. And it's like a failure to recognize that they're screwing up. Well, yeah. I mean, I think one of the big fallacies in this, just, you know, to go back just a little bit to what we were talking about, they seem to think that if they say things like we need a Republican Party, we have to have one, And I've never understood this, that that will somehow persuade Republicans to vote for them. And I don't get it because what they're actually saying is you need to stay in the Republican Party and keep vote.

All you good Republicans, the good ones, not the mega, ultra mega people. All you're going to stay in the Republican Party and keep voting for Republicans because we want you to make the Republican Party better. Well, how does that help? I mean, when you look at the, I mean, you see these things like this guy in this Republican in, is it Nebraska, I guess. who just announced his retirement, Don Bacon. And, you know, he's in this basically a Democratic swing district, Leans Democratic at worst. He knows that he's screwed with this bill and that he's probably going to lose anyway.

So he, you know, has announced his retirement. You know, if that were to happen in a, in a, if it were the flip side, there would be a good chance that he, if he were a Democrat and he was in a Republican district that was, you know, like that, and Republicans, that he'd switch parties. That never happens anymore with Republicans switching to the Democratic Party. And yet it happens with some frequency going the other way. There was one, what's the guy up in, is he up in New York or New Jersey during, during Trump's first term that did it? It does happen. And if that were to happen, see that, you know, this is where power becomes, you know, a serious issue. That,

they could flip the house with a couple of defections, right? I mean, this could happen. Even the Senate's got, you know, they've only got three votes. This is because the Democrats maintain seniority in their committee assignments. Well, that's a problem. And the Republicans don't. And so they have more flexibility to say, we have a bonus for you. We got something.

Yeah, got something, something for you. No, you're absolutely right. That is part of the problem. And I don't think they try very hard to do that. I mean, I see no evidence of it. maybe they do. And maybe it's not really that, you know, that reasonable and assumption that anybody would want to. But I'm just saying that saying things like, well, you know, we want the good Republicans, we need a good Republican Party and doing all that. All that does is, is give an

incentive for people to keep voting Republican. And I don't understand what, you know, and then the Democrats end up in these public opinion polls, you know, people hate them more than they almost as much as they hate Trump, actually more in terms of, you know, overall. loathing of politicians, the Democratic Party's reputation is absolutely in the dirt. And, you know, this is something they're going to have to grapple with. And it has a lot to do with what you said. It has a lot to do with this idea that they seem so feckless and unwilling to, you know, focus. And I think what you said about, you know, them being, you know, all over the place. In fact, you mentioned James Carville earlier. I saw him say something yesterday that kind of surprised me.

he's been one of the worst right he goes on and he says you know they just just let the republicans you know they're digging their own brave they're getting away when your opponents doing you know exactly don't do it just be quiet and you know tell everybody to shut up well i can't remember what show he was on it was probably on msmbc and they asked him you know so what do you think of uh zoranamdani right i mean fine interesting question and he surprised me a great deal he said i think he's come he's on the right track He talked about the economy. He talked about affordability, and that is what you have to do.

And he said that before, right, and then put down, you know, anybody who didn't do that. He says, you know, you've got to talk about it's the economy stupid and kitchen table issues and all that. But for him to credit Zoran with that, which I wouldn't have expected because I had just assumed he hated him and thought that he was, you know, he was actually, I don't know if he had, you know, had an epiphany somewhere that he needed. to shut up about telling the younger generation to, you know, go get lost. But he did say that. And he pointed out something that struck me when Zoran won, which is that he's doing what they're all telling them to do. He's keeping his eye on the prize, affordability, cost of living, the economy. He did that in a time when it would have been very easy for him to just completely dive headfirst into culture war issues. New York has, you know, a million opportunities.

to, you know, get all off into all of this stuff. He didn't do it. He kept his focus on it, mainly because he was listening to the people that he was, you know, trying to get to vote for him and they were, that's what they were telling him. So, you know, and, you know, I'm, you know, full disclosure. I've been very resistant to the whole kitchen table issue argument. I admit it because I'm so overwhelmingly concerned with the death of our political system and democracy and, you know, the police state.

and that stuff. And so that's my own, but that's my own bias. I am a convert. I'm beginning to see the utility of this as maybe the only way to solve the problems that I'm most concerned with is that people, you know,

the Democrats have got to focus. It's just what you said. This big, beautiful bill and what they're doing, they have not been effective yet. I mean, there's still time because it was always going to pass, Right. But there's still time for them to use this effectively as the way to get, you know, people off the couch in the next election to actually, you know, make a real argument for what is wrong with the Republican Party. Donald Trump won't, will not be on the ballot. They have to talk about the Republican Party, whether they like it or not. And they have to talk about those individuals. And this vote is going to be the way to do it because it is the perfect.

illustration of everything that is wrong with the Republican Party, and they have to make that case and stop talking about how, well, there's some good people, not one of them. I mean, who voted against it in the Senate? Susan Collins. Oh, no, did she? Did Susan Collins vote against it? I thought she voted against it. Was Rand Paul? Who is it? Who else? Ran Paul? Yeah, because Murkowski voted for it. But I thought Collins did vote against it. It was Rand Paul Tillis and and Collins. I thought it was right. Okay,

I didn't realize Collins had two. Yeah, well, she's up next time and she's vulnerable, but I think you can hang it around her neck anyway. Right.

Well, I mean, there's a reason why they have the majority and she's, you know, 25% of that. All you got to do

is get rid of four Republicans. Yeah, I agree with you in terms of like, well, I mean, you know, and we should also say,

Mom Dani is also a just a stellar candidate. But the material benefits, the challenge for Democrats and why I think they are, they will talk about, they will try, you know, like you hear a lot of these people say like we should do, you know, the Tom Swazi, you know, put out an op-ed, you know, it, Mamdani is doing exactly what they all say they think should be done. But the problem is, is that the way they go about doing it, there is a very, and I don't know how subtle it is, but there is a somewhat subtle problem with trying to argue for against Medicaid cuts, but arguing against any real mechanism to expand Medicaid to everybody. Yeah, whether you call it Medicaid or Medicare or, you know, single payer, whatever.

it is. They're always having to thread a needle where they say, well, you should have this, but that's about it. And it's like, wait a second, the logic that says we're giving Medicaid to people who are at 140% poverty, as opposed to 100% poverty, right? I mean, that's what the, that's what the, that's what the argument is at the end of the day with, you know, they're cutting back on the ACA. They're also cutting back on, like, people getting subsidies in the ACA markets. Oh, yeah. What's the, how do you say, it just sounds completely arbitrary to say it should be, only people up to this point should have health insurance that is, you know, affordable or somewhat affordable.

I mean. It is arbitrary, isn't it? It's arbitrary. They're trying to thread a needle. And so the Democrats are driving, not all of them, but many of them, and certainly in the context of the leadership, they're driving with the brakes on. And so they can never put the pedal to the metal because they also have their other foot on the brake. And that is the sort of ideological and rhetorical in many instances challenges they have.

Now, the Republicans have their own challenges, too, because they're trying to make it seem like they're not cutting their own voters Medicaid, and they are. But they were smart about it because all of those cuts, for the most part, will hit after the midterm election. The tax cuts go into effect almost immediately. The killing of the tax incentives for things like electric vehicles or putting some. solar panels on your roof or putting in a, a heat pump, you know, which is, this is like, this is the technology we need to go to, like a heat exchange pump, whether it's like geothermal or airflow. We need this technology, and you're going to kill a bunch of these businesses.

You're going to kill a bunch of these businesses. You're going to also kill a bunch of people who are in the pipeline to be technicians of these things. I mean, it is so damaging to our economy long term and to our sustainability. I mean, it's just shocking. And the Democrats did, I don't ever believe they thought that this was going to pass. And I think they didn't think the budget resolution was going to pass. And then I thought they're like, well, a single bill won't pass because the parliamentarian is going to say,

hey, you can't create a baseline that is on the current policy. That's ridiculous. It's absurd. you've got to create the baseline after the tax cuts run out. That's the way we've always done it. I mean, they're always like a step or two behind here. But I want to turn to just one more because we're backing up against 1 p.m. But this is really important.

And you and I have seen this play before in some respects. Abrago Garcia is has come back from Seacot and he and his lawyer are basically saying like he was tortured and not just him like all these people who are sent down there remember something like 82 these people are not well first off

they're not criminals. It doesn't matter if you're criminal we don't torture people supposedly but regardless we sent them to essentially what amounts to a torture chamber the torture involved like you know standing up or on the knee

like the knees and not being you know and having them soil themselves and sleep all of it torture and here is and here is here let's put up this a tear sheet. Let's put up number five.

This is the description of some of the torture. You guys got that? Yeah, we're pulling up now. Okay. And then I want to play this clip. This is you know, lost 31 pounds in his first two weeks.

31 pounds in two weeks. Aside from that being obviously a dangerous amount of weight to lose how does that happen unless you're being star calories at all yeah of course yeah um and uh i mean it goes on and on um but

uh here is uh fox news contributor um uh trying to justify uh this stuff this is uh on uh the uh And if you're going to vote no on this, then you're voting along with him. And if you're going to... This is Monica Page from Charlie Kirk's outfit. And if you're going to vote no on this, then you're voting along with Democrats, especially Democrats like Maxine Dexter, who was on the Hill today, dressed in a white robe,

who also visited El Salvador to go see Kilmar-Abrigo Garcia, who killed Americans. This is something that a lot of people are passionate about passing. If you're not siding with Republicans, then unfortunately you're siding with Democrats, anti-American. Okay. For people watch it, she got a cross necklace on there while she's lies about him. She said that Kilmar Obrigo Garcia killed Americans. Kilmar Obrigo Garcia is accused, was never accused of killing Americans. He was accused of being in a truck with migrant workers.

who were going to a job site and that has mutated into now killing Americans. Now, she put up an apology tweet. This is number seven. Tonight during an interview on Fox News, I inadvertently said they kill Mara Brego Garcia killed Americans. What I meant to say

is that he's been connected with gang activity. And he has not been connected with gang activity, incidentally, that has devastated the lives of many people and killed an untold number of Americans. He's been connected with gang activity in the same way that I'm connected with gang activity in that it exists in the same planet that it does that I'm on. I watch Boys in the Hood, so I'm connected too.

There you go. Obviously promoting the gang lifestyle, Heather. It's pretty clear. Yeah. But you made a really good point about the sort of like, this is not America. Well, I don't know. Not really. I mean, look, when this story came out last night, I was on social media and I was on

X and on Blue Sky and they were talking about people were going, this cannot stand, people must be held accountable for this. This is America. We don't do that. And I'm going, guys, hate to remind you, but yeah, yeah, we do. And we have done. And in very, it's not going back centuries. This was just back in the 2000s.

we had CIA black sites we were abducting people off the streets and sending them to foreign countries where they were tortured that happened that was called rendition we had guantanamo bay where they were also forced it in this very context yeah we're using it in this very context and it was shown over the course of many very very difficult investigations that we tortured the hell out of people I mean we really did it waterboarding and this sleep deprivation they did all kinds i mean just horrible force feeding with people who went on on hunger strikes they did um you know forced enumous they it was it was an absolute nightmare and and no one was ever held accountable for that there were a couple of grunts at abu graib in iraq who stupidly took pictures of themselves and ended up causing a big scandal. But honestly, this was never, ever properly adjudicated in any way. And in fact, once again, let's talk about the Democrats because they, you know, Diane Feinstein, you know, for all of her, her ill, she did one good thing in her career.

Yeah, she did a couple of good things. But this one was actually really good. She was the one who headed that torture investigation in the Senate Judiciary Committee. And she tried to get that information out. It was a thorough investigation. It showed everything. And they ended up with the Obama administration, ended up killing it. And they did it. They did some kind of, you know, trick.

It was sort of a formality where you'd send it to the White House. And if they didn't open it, it meant that it hadn't been delivered. And so as a result, it was never made public. They made public the summary that was done in the beginning, but none of the details. And that, yeah, they made a movie about it with, and that Benning was in it, Adam Driver was in it, about the, it was called the, the investigation, I think, or the report or something. But in any case, this, this actually happened. We did this.

We did it. No one ever paid a price. George W. Bush is out there. He and Michelle Obama, changing, you know, changing candy. Yeah. Is that, is a professor at Stanford? A professor at, yeah, or Berkeley, I think. Berkeley, Berkeley.

Yeah. And, you know, these guys are all out there. They're, you know, a few little grunts from Abu Ghraib got, got, you know, had to do some time in the, in the brig or whatever, but that was it. And so anybody who thinks, and this is my big concern here, we're building concentration camps. And that's what they are should be called because that's what they are. They're not death camps yet. They're not, you know, termination camps or whatever. They're concentration camps.

We're concentrating people that have been grabbed off the streets that are a, waiting some kind of adjudication supposedly, and they're being thrown in there with very little communication with anybody. Nobody knows what the treatment is. We're hearing stories from all over the place. I live in Los Angeles. So let me tell you something. This is a city under siege by ice. It is under siege. People are terrified. They're afraid to go to work. And this is, you know, these Latinos American citizens are walking around carrying their passports in California now because they're terrified of being, of being, you know, grabbed up. up off the streets. And once you start that, you build concentration camps, you better bet

they're going to be doing that Seacot stuff. And the DOJ is already starting to like ramp up their investigations on denaturalizing citizens. Yes. I mean, this is like, you know, I hope people see how the way this works. When we talk about a canary in the coal mine, it is because that there is a problem that is escalating. And they start with the most marginalized people, and then they work their way up. Yeah. And, you know, who's a naturalized citizen, Zoran Mamdani. And he, they're talking about, they asked Trump about it down in, in, he was visiting

the concentration camp with Ron DeSantis. He said, yeah, we ought to arrest him. And they said, well, what about deportation? It was Benny Johnson who asked him about. it by the way uh you get asked you know what about they're talking about then he's well i hear people people are saying he may be here illegally um the people should also understand that the way that this is utilized is they talk about uh zoran mom dani and then the idea that they're just going to do you know jim stevens becomes not as dramatic yeah and so you know this is just their

way of expanding essentially the, you know, the Overton window. I don't know, you know, it's an overused phrase in some ways, but that's what it is. That's how this works. And, you know, if you build it, they will use it. Yep. This is just what's happening. We're building this national police force. It is, and it is populated by people who run around with masks on, carrying heavy, you know, military-style weapons dressed like they're going to a call-of-duty cosplay convention. And they run around, nobody knows who they are. It could be anybody. There are people who literally have been disappeared off the streets of Los Angeles. It's a local story of this woman was taken, and there's no record of her being put into any

of these detention centers, but there are all these stories of what they're calling bounty hunters of people, you know, grabbing them, then claiming, you know, because there's this self-deportation money, apparently, where you can get $1,000 or whatever, grabbing people, getting them, getting their money, and then sending them over the border. I mean, just weird stuff like that is happening because there's no oversight. There's nothing. Nobody can do anything about it. It's just happening. And, you know, they're going to build more of these concentration camps. They're going to be giving bonuses to these guys, hiring, you know, imagine the vetting that's going to be done in DHS when they're hiring.

I mean, imagine who they're going to be hiring. Probably every one of them will be pardoned January 6th, you know, insurrectionists. And they're going to be, you know, the amount of money that's going to be going into this. And you can just imagine. And of course it's going to lead to abuse. Of course it's going to lead to torture. Of course, it's, you know, there's no way it's not. How could that not happen?

And so, you know, this is something we're watching it unfold and we're watching this bill being debated. And everybody, you know, we're all sitting there, you know, Huckie. is out there, you know, just talking away, good for him, you know, saying something. But my God, you know, and I feel like people are saying, well, you know, it's a little hysterical, Heather, you know, you calm down a little bit. You know, it's not that bad. I'm like, well, not maybe. I mean, it's, this is not a static thing, too. No, you can go to Whole Foods today.

It is moving in a direction and it is not slowing down. It's tough. Heather, Digby Parton, always a pleasure to have you. We will link, of course, to the Uber blog, Hullabaloo, and your pieces in salon.com. Everybody should be reading you. You have been a foundation of my reading for 20 years, 21 years now, more. Actually, prior to even me doing this professionally, I would read, I would see, as Digby said, or as Bigby says on

on Atrios's blog Eschaton appreciate you're coming on. We'll talk to you again soon. My pleasure, yeah. Have a good weekend. Get some rest. We're going to need it. It's going to be a lot of summer people. I hate to say it. Yep.

All right. Thanks, Heather. All right, folks. We're going to head into the fun half, right? Is that the way we do it on Thursday? And we're going to be welcoming to the show, as you know. Folks are here on Thursdays more than me, Brandon Sutton and Matt Bender are going to be here. Do we bring them on prior to the fun half? Yeah, I'll do a little bit of plug-ins, so let me get up here.

Brandon, great to see you. It's been a while. It's been a while, yes. I know. All I end up seeing of you is like, you know, cookies, Scandinavian cookies that you leave in the office, and I end up being the one who eats all of them in one sitting. Yeah, like some sort of, like, fairy type creature. I just leave little treats around your studio.

Yes, but it's like an evil fairy. Yeah, yeah. to not get to because I can't, I don't, I don't have any control around sugar, as it were. Tell us, how is the discourse going? It's going great. You know, every morning, usually I stream right before the majority report from 9 to around 12 p.m. Eastern. Tomorrow, I think I'll be doing a special, a special, special, 4th of July show where we dive into some of the more American-centric conspiracy theories, maybe some sovereign

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