The Majority Report with Sam Seder - 3536 - ICE Age, GOP Base Epstein Client List Revolt w/ Kyle Kulinski, This Space

Episode Date: July 11, 2025

It's casual Friday and we have two, well technically 4 guests stop by the show. First, Kyle Kulinski for a wrap up of the week's news including the podcast manosphere's turning on Trump over the Epstein client list suppression. Then we are joined by Benjamin P. Dixon aka Pastor Ben, Andrea Rovenski, and Matt Strackbein aka The Letterhack who are promoting thisspace.tv. This Space is a new working-class media collective. In the fun half we play Where's Waldo: The Corey Booker edition as he tries to hide himself in a photo with war criminal, Benjamin Netanyahu. Missouri revokes a very popular paid sick leave law that passed at around 60%. All that, a whole lot more plus your phone calls.   Become a member at JoinTheMajorityReport.com: https://fans.fm/majority/join Follow us on TikTok here!: https://www.tiktok.com/@majorityreportfm Check us out on Twitch here!: https://www.twitch.tv/themajorityreport Find our Rumble stream here!: https://rumble.com/user/majorityreport Check out our alt YouTube channel here!: https://www.youtube.com/majorityreportlive Gift a Majority Report subscription here: https://fans.fm/majority/gift Subscribe to the ESVN YouTube channel here: https://www.youtube.com/esvnshow Subscribe to the AMQuickie newsletter here: https://am-quickie.ghost.io/ Join the Majority Report Discord! https://majoritydiscord.com/ Get all your MR merch at our store: https://shop.majorityreportradio.com/ Get the free Majority Report App!: https://majority.fm/app Go to https://JustCoffee.coop and use coupon code majority to get 10% off your purchase Check out today's sponsors TUSHY: Get 10% off TUSHY with the code TMR at https://hellotushy.com/TMR SUNSET LAKE: Use coupon code “Left Is Best” (all one word) for 20% off of your entire order at SunsetLakeCBD.com Follow the Majority Report crew on Twitter: @SamSeder @EmmaVigeland @MattLech Check out Matt’s show, Left Reckoning, on YouTube, and subscribe on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/leftreckoning Check out Matt Binder’s YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/mattbinder Subscribe to Brandon’s show The Discourse on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/ExpandTheDiscourse Check out Ava Raiza’s music here! https://avaraiza.bandcamp.com/ The Majority Report with Sam Seder – https://majorityreportradio.com/  

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July 11th, 2025. My name is Sam Cedar. This is the five-time award-winning majority report. We are broadcasting live steps from the industrially ravaged Gowanus Canal in the heartland of America, downtown Brooklyn, USA. On the program today, Kyle Kalinsky of the Kyle Kalinsky show, and also of, of, Crystal and Kyle and friends also on the program today members of this space

the new cooperative YouTube channel we'll be talking to Ben Dixon we'll be talking to Matt Strachbein Andrew Arovensky and Matt of course is the

letter hack also on the program today Trump announces 35% tariff on Canada to start August 1, but it's not such a firm. It's firm, but not too firm. Also, he sent letters to people. Meanwhile, Israel kills 15 people outside U.S. Run Health Center in Gaza, including eight children. That adds to the nearly 800 killed while receiving food aid. State Department to fire 1,300 people.

Protesters battle ice thugs at a California cannabis farm as ice morale sinks to its level of its applied morals. FBI using polygraph tests to test loyalty to Trump. Mahmood Khalil files a $20 million lawsuit against the Trump regime. and Ken Paxton's wife claim he committed adultery on a biblical scale Missouri governor repeals paid sick leave law

approved by voters and confirmed by the state Supreme Court lastly new reports Joni Ernst may be retiring all this and more on today's majority report

welcome ladies and gentlemen thanks so much for joining us it is casual friday i get a little bit of earplug situation going on over there oh look who's here it's emma vigour hi hello hello sam casual friday casual friday uh and uh what a week um what a week here and of the news um the we're watching um ice now just ramp it up. They've been doing so continually. This comes amidst new polling, which we'll talk about with Kyle Kalinsky, that shows Americans support not just for what they're seeing, but their support for immigrants has gone up. Their support for what they're seeing from ICE has gone down. Trump's approval rating on immigration is really low right now, not that the Democrats,

hear that from the democrats but it's it's exceptionally low it and and we'll talk to kyle about this but it just simply proves the point that none of this stuff is static and that um it actually makes a difference what the uh political parties uh articulate and um but it is because people are starting to see that and there's a big story in the atlantic uh monthly about the morale at ice not with all hashtag not all ICE officers, but definitely some at ICE are starting to feel a little bummed that, A, all they're doing is picking up grandma and cuffing her, and B, when they do, Stephen Miller is waiting back at the office going, why aren't there two grandmas here? But here is some footage that's came out of California yesterday. This is in Camarillo, California. Which one of these should we start with?

This is one here. Yeah, this is disturbing. For people watching on podcasts, turn it down slightly, I think. They're tear gassing. the workers here. Terrorizing them. Children, yes. They took your mom?

Unbelievable. Here is an aerial shot of that same incident. Some of that is that there are questions of how humanely this is being handled. You know, whether these people who are maybe here illegally, but, you know, whether they're being offered or can be pointed in the direction of a path to citizenship, there certainly is that criticism. But you also have Republicans at the same time accusing Democrats and those on the left of amplifying this rhetoric against federal agents

and ICE agents. So we're seeing this finger-burning on this issue play out. Julia, we may have to step away really quickly here. The situation at the farm is escalated. It looks like a lot of tear gas. Oh, pause it for a second. Hold on. Why would this news lady say those things about these federal workers? Why would she say these mean things about ice? Escalation.

This is dangerous for those federal. I mean, there could be a mom down there who might take a cannabis plant and smack one of those military-clad federal officers with a cannabis plant. I mean, rhetoric? Can you, maybe... They're rolling through communities

with tear gas casters. We're talking about the rhetoric? Yeah. What's most important are the ICE Gestapo's feelings. I feel the same way as when I read those articles about the low morale and the IDF Like, oh, my heart bleeds for you as you rip apart families and ruin lives.

Yeah, what did you think you were getting into? Really quickly here, the situation at the farm is escalated. It looks like a lot of tear gas and whatever this green smoke is as well. She probably no. A protester threw something toward the ice officers there, but a lot of cars turning around and exiting. So it looks like something happened that forced that crowd to turn and run. Rich, are you still, yeah. Yeah, so as we're listening to the radio chatter down here,

the fire department actually had to leave this zone and head back to where they have set up a command center for treatment for the civilians. And they said that they made leave the air because the crowd was starting to get a little more hostile. So for the safety to the fire department, they have left this zone here on Laguna Road. And then shortly after that is when we started seeing the tear gas and the flashbanks and the pepper balls being fired back towards the crowd. But the crowd was also picking up items, rocks, whatever I guess they can find on the ground and starting to throw them back towards federal agents, which is just going to create an even more volatile situation here between agents and the community members.

And they at some point are just going to continue to push this crowd further and further away from. God. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Here is Tom Homan on Fox and Friends this morning trying to defend his work. And as far as I can tell, I mean, I'm no criminal defense attorney. But I suspect that his definition of reasonable suspicion, is a little bit thin. I've got to get your reaction to this Biden-appointed federal judge out in Los Angeles, apparently expected today to issue a temporary restraining order halting your lawful

operation. She says, I think it's important for the court not to burden otherwise law enforcement activities. Your reaction there. Look, if people need to understand, ICE officers and Borgesville, they don't need probable calls to walk up somebody brief the detainment question them.

They just need this. So to tally the circumstances, right? They just got through the observation, you know, get articulable facts based on the location, the occupation. Pause it for a second. I mean, first off, Jesus. This guy mumbles here

is saying that you don't need probable cause to stop and detain people. And the fact is, you need reasonable suspicion. It can't just be we want to do it and he's trying to argue that they have reasonable suspicion but go back go back a little bit you know it's hard to sort of make out what he's saying because i know it's

get subtitles the ai overheated he sounds like in my fair lady where she has all those mumbles in her mouth trying to enunciate but that's just his uh and this is a very timely reference by me anyway but but he he starts to go on like uh that uh that uh the uh the the way they look now there's yeah you can if you see somebody pacing in front of a bank right and maybe looking to the to a car that is idling in front of the bank and looking inside and looking around furtively there uh that becomes a basis of reasonable suspicion but that's a function of looking at the person and assessing their behavior in some way. What this guy is starting to sort of list off here ends up being things like status.

And so if you're a brown person who is working a weed whacker, that is not reasonable suspicion that you're an immigrant if you would not approach a white person using. using a weed whacker. He, I mean, I'm not trying to do a spoiler alert thing here, but he literally says how they look in, in 15 seconds, yeah. The people need to understand ice officers and border children, they don't need probable calls to walk up somebody briefly detainment question them. They just need this. So to tally the circumstances, right? They just got through the observation, you know, get articulable facts based on the location, the occupation, their physical appearance, their actions.

a uniform board place walks up to them. And for instance, I pause it for one second. There you had it. Their occupation and their physical appearance. Yep. And accent. I mean,

that's just racial profiling. It is racial profiling. And first off, you know, let's be clear. Like, there are a lot of immigrants who are here overstaying their. their visas um there are europeans there are i mean someone like elon musk uh at one time was in this country and there's reason to believe without proper documentation what um what what occupation did he have that would have been reasonable suspicion to detain him i mean this is racial profiling and then they go on to say and if we approach them and they run away you get

thugs coming out in unmarked cars masked uh i got news for you if you're a white person you might have reason to run if you are a person of color and masked thugs come out of a car and start to attack it without identification without license plates i mean did we see what was marching in uh in Lexington, was it in Louisville or Lexington, Kentucky on July 5th? Louisville. Yeah, I mean, marching down the street to Louisville masked thugs. I mean, running away from an unmarked, unidentified masked thug is not indicative that you may be anything other than a reasonable person worried about what's going on. A security guy assassinated two lawmakers in Minnesota dressed up as a cop.

I mean, and he says briefly detained. That footage that we just saw there, are they briefly detaining them, or are they terrorizing? And that boy was saying they took my mom and tear gassing them. That's not what they're doing. They're not briefly detaining them. They're brutalizing them. Right, good. Get articulable facts based on the location, the occupation, their physical appearance, their actions.

It's like a uniform board place who walks up to them at, for instance, a Home Depot. And they've got all these articulable facts, plus a person walks away or runs away. No, agents are trained. What they need to detain somebody temporarily and question them, it's not probable cause, it's reasonable suspicions. We're trained on that. Every agent, every six months gets get Fourth Amendment training over and over again. These officers are really good at what they do.

And if the judge is making a decision, that's against what these officers are trained, what the law is based upon, then they're going to shut down operation. I think that's your endgame. They want ICE to stop doing this. But if they're based on the rule of law, they're going to find out. Border Patrol ICE is doing exactly what they're going to do in accordance with all. And you're not going to stop coming. Tom Homan, thank you for getting up.

Oh, great. He's not going to stop coming. And here's the, here's the, one of the key facts about this, is that there is very little opportunity for people. to file charges or to push back against those instances where they don't follow the rule of law. I mean, that is the point. There does not, they are acting and functioning outside of a normal judiciary system. And the opportunities here for there to be any type of like legal processes to push back.

on this are extremely limited. Well, I mean, they have now basically, within a six-month period, formalized racial profiling as federal policing policy, essentially. And we saw this, like, we were talking about this at the beginning of the administration, how they were using gang databases and gang ties to basically call people criminals, not that they're even bothering with that at this point, that seems quaint. but what they were building off of was decades of broken windows policing and what like black and brown communities in this country stop and frisk have been experiencing their whole lives in many ways but they've federalized it here this is stop and frisk on the national level and worse than that it's throwing folks into these detention centers and tom holman you know we get it you're probably going to get rich from the private prison industry here but there's There's a lot of folks that are quietly, I think, connected to this mass incarceration policy

and are getting rich off of it right now. I think there's reports about Stephen Miller having investments in these things. And Palantir especially. I mean, and just to highlight one incident, Andrew Jose Hernandez-Ramero, the hairdresser, still at sea cup. In a torture chamber. And we know now from Kilmar-Brigo Garcia's account through his lawyer that they tortured them.

And we saw an alligator alcatraz that Florida. concentration camp down there. They're borrowing from them. The accounts from the people who are being housed there, there was a local report that we played from CBS Miami yesterday, where they called and said that they're keeping the lights on all night. They're taking the tactics from the torture chamber in Seacot and doing it on U.S. soil. All right. In a moment, we're going to talk to Kyle Kalinsky about this and more. First, a word from our sponsor, one of Emma's favorites. Oh, she wants to be off a screen for this one.

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Of the many things that were horrific in that bill that passed a week or two ago, the immigration thing, I think, is going to be the thing that we feel most dramatically over the coming, you know, six months. I mean, ICE right now has something like, what was the number of employees that work at ICE? I have this here. It is, it is fascinating to see how dramatic this budget, 20,000 employees at ICE right now. They're going to increase the size of ice by 50%. They are pulling guys who worked in like major crimes unit at ICE, like dealing with, you know, cartels and big good drug runners. They're pulling them off now to arrest moms. or grandmothers.

What do you anticipate with this, Kyle? I mean, I'm anticipating what we're seeing now ramped up tenfold. I think that with a budget of like $170 billion, they're not exactly hiding the fact that I think they're going to start very openly and brazenly going after not only legal immigrants as they already are, but I think American citizens. I mean, Trump has openly said multiple times that we got the homegrowns, We got to get rid of these homegrown, their problem.

And so we already got a report that about 70 American citizens were deported in Trump's first term. And I would venture a guess they were at least at a couple hundred or maybe over a thousand already because he's treating ICE like his Gestapo. That's what it is. I mean, now the ICE budget is bigger than like the Israeli military budget. What are you planning on doing with all those personnel? And by the way, they're also like deputizing proud boys and white nationalists to be the ICE Gestapo. They're pulling over random cars on a Tennessee highway. I covered a story on that

recently. And I mean, you see what they're doing. They're going into doctor's offices and Walmarts and Home Depot's and just expect this in every city. Trump's now saying the next ones are New York and D.C. where he's going to try to do the same sort of federal crackdown like we're witnessing in L.A. right now. It's sort of fascinating to be. We were talking to someone from L.A. Taco, which was a online, like, foodie site, focused on tacos. And, and community reporting that have basically become a clearinghouse for all of these reports about ICE and all the stuff that's happening in L.A. And the host, Memo, I can't remember his last name, but.

Mimo Torres was talking about how like so much of this stuff does not get reported outside of even just their website, never mind on the local news. And that to me is sort of, it's. sort of shocking. I mean, when you think about how much the Trenta Argua, which we never hear about anymore, all of a sudden they just, you know, melted away. But how much we heard about that versus, you know, what is actually happening in terms of so-called criminal enforcement? Yeah, I mean, to be fair, it is truly, truly difficult to keep up because every day there's another like 12 different absolute horror stories. I mean, I'm still thinking of the 288 people

were rounded up and sent to a concentration camp in El Salvador. No due process whatsoever. 90% of them have no criminal record whatsoever. Somebody had a tattoo for his brother with autism and they said it was a gang tattoo and they sent him there. Somebody had a mom and dad tattoo and they said that's a gang tattoo and they sent him there. I mean, how many stories like this are out there now? We just got word that we already have an innocent person who was sent to alligator alcatraz, as they call it. A person had no criminal record whatsoever.

They didn't fill out, they like forgot to fill out one form for their immigration. paperwork and now they're being sent there and look i mean i think they're going to continue down this path and they're going to create more effectively concentration camps if you are throwing out due process throwing out habeas corpus rounding up whoever you want and locking them up then there's no other thing to call that but a concentration camp so i mean i truly fear for the future of this country i don't see how we get out of this without having basically like new nuremberg trials and locking up stephen Miller and locking up Christy Noem and returning rule of law because this is the most lawless thing I've ever seen. I mean, this is like looking at what Bush did overseas. This is like

the imperial boomerang where now it's come back to our country and they're even escalating it here. Yes, it's, I think, really important to put it in the context of the war on terror. You know, we would not be in this situation if, well, first of all, ICE was a creation of like the post-9-11 world war on terror kind of. expansion of the surveillance state and of like federalizing this kind of policing. But we, it is a failure of the Democrats who didn't seek accountability for the war criminals in the Bush administration and who kind of continued this level of just rolling back of rights or didn't at least aggressively attempt to curtail it.

And we're in this situation in part because of the expansion of the, the, the, the national security state after 9-11. Yeah, I mean, the Democrats, you know, refusing to prosecute Bush, refusing to prosecute Cheney, making torture just a matter of opinion. Obama is saying we look forward, we don't look backwards. That then made it just a difference of opinion as to whether or not your administration tortures. And now we've gone further than that. And now it's when it comes to due process and habeas corpus, that's just a matter of opinion. And I guess the thing that shocks me the most is the lack of the hair-on-fire approach. I mean, this truly is a hair-on-fire moment. And the immigration numbers are plummeting for Trump, even with the Democrats not talking much about

immigration, which now imagine they also were fighting hard on that. I honestly think the media, some of the media coverage of Kilmar-Bregal Garcia was a lot of what led to those numbers going the direction they did because that was one that was one that. Chris Van Hollen. Chris Van Hollen going down there. Yeah. And God bless him for it. And God bless any Democrat who is fighting on this. But I still think there's many Democrats at the top of the party who feel like, let's tread carefully, because this is generally an issue where Trump had higher poll numbers, and so we don't want to step on any toes. I think that's exactly right. I mean, I just wanted to, because I do want to pivot to that conversation, but I just also want to say, like, you know, you look at those

images of ice essentially attacking that soccer field and successfully intimidating the cones that were on there. And I think the net was looked like they were, you know, going to go the straight and narrow and surely those kids at that playground were terrified but if you look at the gear that they're using like I mean they look like they could be walking down the streets of Fallujah and it's like what where are the like why like why are they this is such an industry and it's so much of that like you say the imperial blowback this is all came from programs where used equipment or overbought equipment for the military during the Iraq war, there was a specific

program set up to send it back to police departments. And now it's almost like it's not even a special program. It is just part of the whole thing. We're going to gear these guys up, like they're going in into an active firefight. And I'm sorry, there's no protest that makes this equipment necessary. There's no rolling up on a guy with a weed whacker or a mom working at a taco truck that requires this kind of gear. It's insane. It is absolutely insane. And it's insane how there doesn't seem to be any like, you know, pushback. You've got, we were just listening to that report from California. And on one hand, you know, ICE officers are worried about their safety. Are you kidding me?

I mean, it's at the point now where the cruelty and the sadism is the point, right? Like, they've rated schools and meatpacking facilities and farms and Home Depot's and 7-Elevens and they deported a four-year-old American citizen with cancer and no medicine. A woman was arrested immediately after she gave birth. A U.S. Marshall was arrested. I mean, like, this is, it's a horror show is what it is. And if this doesn't really motivate all of us to get up and do something about it, I don't know what will.

I did just see a video of when they tried to raid that farm in California. Yeah. You had, there was a whole bunch of people really trying to stop it. They tried to block the car with the road. There was a bunch of people throwing rocks at the ice car. The ice officers, they brought in a freaking helicopter for some reason to land it on a farm. Like, it's very disturbing. And, you know, I'm curious what you guys think, who is more driving the car?

Because every now and then Trump will say, like, we're going to protect the hotel workers. We're going to protect, you know, he has like two or three different types of of immigrants that he's seemingly nominally okay with. But then like the same day or the next day, there will be a massive raid on the facilities that he said we were going to protect those immigrants, which makes me feel like Stephen Miller is actually the one falling the shots, yeah, and driving the car, yeah.

He's outsourced domestic policy, I think, functionally to Stephen Miller. And you see it. I'm not convinced he has an outsourced foreign policy too. I mean, if you look at that signal chat with that leaked in terms of that strike, again, the hooties um it was stephen miller who came in and said uh the boss wants this done when there was a question he he was the one who came in and everybody deferred to as to whether we were going ahead with that uh attack um and so i i think it is stephen miller and i don't think trump cares

frankly no because he knows he can go out and say this stuff and it's still it makes him even look even better like you know like we'll get to the epstein stuff but um but i i i think it's and Miller for sure. And, and, uh, but regardless, it's Trump. I mean, it's Trump. It's Miller. You know, at the end of the day, it almost doesn't matter. It's really just more, why would people listen to what Trump says as opposed to like the observable truth that exists every day? Yeah. Because this guy does, you know, he talks out of his ass. He'll say anything at any given point. It's amazing how, not only how evil they are, but also how incompetent they are. Crystal was just telling there were two different teams that were sent to negotiate with Venezuela, and the teams didn't

know that there were other people from the U.S. government representing the Trump administration negotiating with Venezuela. So they had two separate deals they were working on, and then I guess they figured out eventually like, oh, wait, only one of us is supposed to be doing this. You saw this with Hegsef, too, when Trump temporarily cut off the weapons to Ukraine, apparently Hegsef made that call, and then now Trump stepped in and is resending the weapon. It's like, not only are they evil, but they're also completely and utterly incompetent. And it's like, it's just so scattershot how they're approaching governing. Yeah. And it's in part because they're responding to the whims of somebody who's absolutely out of his mind. And I think in terms of him outsourcing policy to Stephen Miller

like this, you have to wonder if he's begun. We know he knows he's lying regularly. But he has to start to believe some of his own spin because there's nobody around him that's telling him anything different. I mean, when he goes out and says we're not cutting Medicaid, and the bill, the bill, the big ugly ass bill, just destroys the program. It destroys it. Like, how do you explain that disconnect? It's either just basically his complete insanity and disconnect from reality, or he's surrounded by a bunch of conspiracy theorists who give him false information that gets him to believe and work backwards from his conclusion. I think he's so used to lying. that it's like lie inflation.

The lies get like more and more absurd to the point where he's telling people like, it doesn't get Medicaid at all. You got to protect Medicaid. There was a report that he was talking to House Republicans telling them, one thing you never do is cut Medicaid. And this was at the same time he was pitching the big beautiful bill, which destroys Medicaid.

And so it is so hard for me to wrap my mind around this. I mean, I say this on my show all the time. If the Republicans say they're going to do something good, they're lying. They're going to do something bad. If they say they're going to do something bad, they're telling the truth. They're going to do that bad thing.

that's what it's become now the um let's talk about the the democratic leadership because um the polling you're right the polling and there's a new poll out from gallop uh 30 percent say immigration should be reduced that is down from 55 percent last year it is a 25 point shift uh on whether immigration numbers should be reduced 79 per se is 79 percent say is 79 percent say immigration is a good thing for the country, which is an all-time high. 17% say it's a bad thing. That's an all-time low. And that has changed, you know, it was in 2024, I mean, that's gone up by like almost 15 points in the past year in terms of whether immigration is a good thing.

allowing immigrants essentially DACA to stay in the country shot up by only about four points, but that's at 85% approval, allowing immigrants to get a path to citizenship is at 78%. Significantly expanding the border wall with Mexico, 53% in 2024, now down to 45%, deporting all immigrants who are living in the United States illegally back to their country, 47% in 2024, 38% in 2025. Like you say, this has been with not a Democratic Party that is just AWOL on this issue. They have been chasing the Republicans. Like their argument is we're going to do what they're doing.

It's just going to be, you can trust us more. There is no immigration policy that the Democrats have that is articulable in contrast. to the Republican policy because it's basically the same thing just being more polite about it. And I just want to add one more number to this because I think it's really important on Trump specifically in Gallup.

It's 35% approve of his handling on immigration specifically, 62% disapprove and 45% disapproved strongly. Those are incredibly hard numbers of disapproval for him on this issue in particular. There you go. Yeah. I can't tell you the last time I've heard Democrats make a positive, affirmative case for immigration, which is like really not that difficult thing to do. I mean, the economy absolutely needs it. If you just mass deport 4% of the population, the economy absolutely implodes. In my experience, these are some of the best people that are in this country. They work hard. They take care of their family. They're incredibly polite. They're law abiding. You know, the numbers are what they are in terms of their criminals at a much lower rate. These are like very basic things. And I never hear the Democrats say it, which means that the public has moved on this solely as a result.

of the horrors of the pictures and the videos that are coming out of the military invading LA and ICE harassing innocent people with masked thugs. By the way, why are they wearing masks? They're wearing masks because they know fundamentally what they are doing is illegal. What they are doing is immoral. And so I got to say, though, my feeling on this is that I'm kind of pissed overall because, you know, I look at it like, you guys didn't know Trump was going to do this? Like, you didn't know Trump was going to do this. It always was going to be as ugly as it is. I mean, they were holding up mass deportation now signs at the RNC. Trump was out there saying, they're eating the cats, they're eating the dugs, they're

eating the pets. That was in reference to legal immigrants, legal Haitian immigrants. That was the sign, hey, we're not just going after gangsters. We're not just going after criminals. By the way, that's not a novel idea. Any president of any party wants to go after, you know, violent criminal undocumented immigrants first. And so it's sort of like I'm kind of frustrated. It almost reminds me of, is like rogan's been doing this too like can you believe that they're that they're you know going into home depots and taking people out yes yes i can how did you not see it so i almost want to shake these people back to reality but at the same time they got their tax cuts they got their tax cuts and now now they've grown a conscience about this kind of thing i think no good no you go ahead sam well i

the the the thing that frustrates me here is that you see trump's numbers cratering on this you see shifting their perspective on this and what political party is situated to benefit from this. You would think it would be the opposition party, but no, they have no, there's nowhere to land here. I mean, it's fascinating. You're just basically like there is, it is such an abject failure on the part of, of democratic leadership to articulate a position. There is such a feel. on this topic. And we have seen last time that Trump was in office and then it changes because the Democrats don't have any type of pushback on this. This is frankly, I'm quite convinced to the, you know, we're going to see the same thing with a trans opinion polling as well.

When there is an absence of an opposition party's position that is actually trying to litigate against this you're not always going to be winning on every single day but at one point because it's the right thing you're going to win ultimately but they're not positioned to benefit from the cratering of this stuff it just they're just it just makes them look weak which is if you start to look at like the polling uh on on the democratic party you know you'll see stuff like too woke or something like this, but you will see weak. You will see weakness. And this is a lesson that Democrats, you know, have not sort of absorbed from back from like, you know, when Bill Clinton was like, strong and wrong is better than right and weak. And, but right and strong is also

even better than that. Right. That's the best case scenario. It's crazy to me because Democrats seem Democratic elected officials seem to think that polls are like this stagnant, thing that can't change that you need to like sort of hop on and ride the wave. But Republicans look at polls and think like, oh, we could just bulldoze ahead, make a bunch of arguments, double down on it and move the poll numbers in our direction. And it really speaks to, you know, a fundamental core of not really believing in much or caring that much. Like I think Trump and Stephen Miller actually genuinely sincerely despise immigrants. Like they are truly in their core. They are white nationalists. And I think a lot of Democratic politicians, I mean, they're, they're fine

with immigrants, but fundamentally they don't care. They're not going to, like, go to bat for them. They're not going to, like, make a strong argument for them. And that's where you have this, like, this vacuum that is filled with the right, whether it's Republican politicians or right-wing media is amazing at this, where they all get on the same page and have the same talking points and push them out there. And you just don't see that mirrored on the Democratic side. It's more like hands off and almost like let Trump hang himself, which, to be fair, works to some extent, but it would work a lot better if as he's hanging himself, you also clob him over head with a Sledgehammer. Well, it also would create some durability if you do win in those instances because

the next day Trump is elected out of office, people are looking to like, what's your policies? And we're like, well, it's sort of like what Trump's was. But the thing about the polling is interesting because this has been around for a long time. During the Bush administration, there was a journalist. I think his name was Ron Suskin. I can't, it escapes me at the moment. But I I think it was Ron Susskin, who was interviewing a lot of, like, Bush officials. And one of them said to him, like, you know, your problem is you're part of the reality-based community. And the idea being that, like, you feel like you're constrained by, you know, what people's perspectives are now. We create our own reality by pushing forward.

Now, some of that can be completely insane, but the idea that, but the fundamental premise that people's perspective on things, you know, fluctuates and is contextual and it can be, can move with new information or a reiteration of old information. It's like the Democratic Party doesn't believe in that or, you know, or for some, it's, you know, it's, you. you know, I don't know, I just don't want to contest in that level, but you don't always get to choose what issues you want to contest on. You're the opposition party. You've got to contest on it. But you were making this point, too, about the, these guys, you know, Rogan, like I had no idea they were going to be doing this.

And these voters who were like, what? I thought it was just going to be criminals who get thrown out. this notion of like of that democrats are running from what they perceive as wokeness and uh and running from like immigration rights i'm convinced that in the polls that a lot of those guys the men that uh you know the democrats are so worried about the white men they're so worried about losing or having lost when they say woke they're just saying weak. Like they're just like weakness is what I think people are responding to. The Democrats don't seem to stand for anything and don't seem to stand for things that are even marginally

considered unpopular. Yeah. And I think at this moment what we're witnessing is a massive vibe shift where now it's no longer cool and edgy to be pro-Trump. And so the Democrats are sort of reaping the rewards of that without even having to say anything or do anything because Trump is, of course, hanging himself on the Epstein stuff and bombing Iran and all these different things. And so now everybody who is riding hard for Trump before the election, they look like the rubs that they are. And so that's why you're sort of seeing, and I know you want to get to this in a minute's end, but you're sort of seeing a U-turn among, you know, the pod bro sphere. Oh, yeah. Let's play this clip. Let's play this clip of

what do we have, Schultz, right? Yeah. I mean, now at least he had the, and this is a function of like it seems like the Epstein stuff was the straw that broke the camels back which is just I mean as far as I'm concerned let them fight and if I can throw fuel onto that fire I will do it but that's the thing that you you feel betrayed upon here's uh um the Schultz is the latest of uh of these type of sort of like manosphere uh broheims who have decided that um they're no longer on team trump are you still talking about geoffrey epstein we have texas we have this we have all of the things and are people still talking about this guy this creep so we're stupid yeah we're we're the fucking idiots guys that is i think what is uh enraging people right now is it's insulting our

intelligence like obviously the intelligence community is trying to cover it up obviously the trump administration is trying to cover up something changed because they ran on this idea of exposing it all. Yep, yep, yep. All these guys had great ideas, cocky, cash, Dan Borgina. He had clips, Doug. He had bores.

He was ready to tear it all down. He was ready to tear down the entire FBI office. Shut down the Hoover building, day one. Day one. Them bitch, still stand. And then he goes on Joe Rogan, and he's like, listen, do you think if I had it, I wouldn't share it with you?

I do. Yeah. I do. I do believe that. 100%. Especially when you're staring at me like, this, tell me that. Once you protect pedophiles,

you are the most cocky person in the entire world. So one of two things, in my mind is a lot of the world. possible one you're covering it up or two nothing really happened and you exploited the of thousands of children to get you a man elected so which one do you want here okay go into 15 i want to play 15 and 16 too because 16 is where he's basically like claiming like i didn't vote for any of this uh here's 15 then 15's good because this backs up your point sam about how when they say woke they mean weak uh they Andrew shultz here basically says there's some people

in the Democratic Party or at least associated with the Democratic Party who he doesn't think are weak or put America or they that they put America first? The only party right now that to me seems America first is the Democrat Socialist Party. Yep. Bernie is America first. Mamdani and all his ideas that he will not be able to execute and I frankly think many of them are not good ideas. But he is no doubt New York first.

The policies seem to want. to help people here. That's what I care about. If MAGA wants to take this America First thing back, they've got to start looking out for American. It doesn't seem like they're doing. Lying to Americans is not America First. There is one lie, which is Epstein did not have a blackmail ring on all these very

influential people. And by saying that that didn't happen, you have to tell a lot of other little lies. Every one of them just pulls a little piece of thread away from the fat. And we're starting to see right through right now, and it's just embarrassing. Okay. Let's just play this last clip, I mean, as the sort of like end the saga here. But it's it, I will play it. I'll talk about it.

I feel very valutained, I got to say. People that like, they'll give me back. You see what you see what your boy doing? You voted for this. I'm like, I voted for none of this. He's doing the exact opposite of everything I voted for. I want him to stop the wars. He's funding them.

I want him to shrink spending, reduce the money. He's increasing it. It's like, every. everything that he said he's going to do except sending immigrants back. Okay. Of course they're deport. What is he talking about? They're deporting massive numbers of people.

Oh, yes. No, he's saying he's saying that's the only thing that he is that he has actually done that I am glad that which is ironic because somehow Joe Rogan didn't get that message but Schultz did. But the I mean, part of the problem

with like coming up with the left's joe rogan is that um people who do this on the left actually spend the time to understand what they're talking about and they can't just go out there and say shit that is absolutely bat crap crazy and inaccurate and stupid because they know better and it's i mean i i don't know i have to revert to like junior high to get to that level of of sort of miscomprehension of what's going on and that's just I'm just giving them the benefit of the doubt that they're not just bullshit so I would describe Schultz and all the people in this like podcast space

the Rogan sphere I guess you could call it they are first and foremost wave riders and what I call narrative humpers and what what happened was basically like it's a to put it simply they're grifters and so the vibes have now shifted so thoroughly against Trump that they feel like, well, we got to sort of go where our audience is going because I don't know if you guys experienced this. I've certainly experienced it. There was a time where you scroll through Twitter and it's nothing but right wing slop all day long. And now you scroll through Twitter and everything I see is some left winger or some liberal, just absolutely hammering Trump over the head. There's way more memes and funny memes now on the left than

there are on the right. Clearly Trump has, you know, destroyed this country in just six months with every horrible to say he hasn't done a single thing that's positive and that's all catching up so now like the vibes online are definitely anti-trump and they're now realizing man we hitched our wagon to this guy and he's taking us all down so they feel like they have to shift in order to keep some credibility so but here the other thing you got to look out for is this though we've already seen this with Alex Jones and Rogan himself and many others is like they say this now but what are they going to be saying in a week what are they going to be saying in three weeks the second Trump gives them some other BS headfake where he says something that they like the way it sounds,

all of a sudden it's back to, you know, he's the anti-establishment guy. Maybe he's actually going to deliver on some of this stuff. I mean, Alex Jones did a 180 on the Epstein thing where he was saying, actually it was Biden in the deep state. They actually destroyed all the Epstein files. Day one, he was crying and puking over Trump betraying him. Day two, it was like, actually blame the Democrats. The Democrats who got rid of it, and it's not Trump at all.

And so that's the other thing you have to watch out for with these charlatans. Emma's made the point that Schultz had. a clip where we i can't remember what kind yeah well he said like why he was supporting trump and this backs what you're saying about the narrative humphers and the vibe like like like because the republicans fuck like the republicans fuck now and like the democrats used to fuck and now the republicans are the ones with he was like trump has multiple baby mamas it used to be bill clinton that was having and it's like can you your middle school brain just take us take another step and think, like, are you applying a different standard to the female candidate in the race?

Like, Kamala was being hit over the head for being a slut. They were calling her a slot right out of the gate. And these guys don't even think for a second, like, am I applying a double standard here? Yeah, it's like you say, it's like middle schooler brain. It's totally unsurious. And the other thing is at one point he says there at the beginning, like, oh, where are the idiots? And our son said is, yes, you absolutely are the idiots. because we were screaming from the top of our lungs for so long before the election.

You guys do know Trump's in the Epstein files, right? You do know that we have audio tape of Jeffrey Epstein saying he was Trump's best friend for a decade. There's over 30 sexual assault allegations against Trump. Him and Melania first had sex on the Lolita Express. This was all reported. We know all of this. He's been on the jet seven different times.

There's countless pictures of him with Epstein. Michael Wolf has described in disgusting detail pictures he's seen that Epstein had of Trump with girls of an uncertain age. We talked about all of this. I was screaming about this. Alex Acosta, his labor secretary was the one who made the deal to get the Epstein basically walk from all of those in Florida. So these guys, what do they do?

They just go with the vibes. The vibes were high. The vibes were pro-Trump before the election. So they hop on that bandwagon. And then the people who were correct all along, we were telling them all along and warning them. And now all of a sudden it's like, oh, wait, turns out we misread the situation. Yeah, and give credit to the people who were correct all along.

It is fascinating to me, too, though, that from a, that's so much of, and we see this across the board, I mean, even, you know, within the context of the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, you know, the, what's her name, Batta Taras, I can't remember, I can't read, I can't. Baja Unger Sargon. Yes, like, yeah, who was pounding the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the Trump is in a true. populist and you know and then of course this bill gets passed um and she is out there now like her entire premise about this so-called populism could not have been more destroyed like there is i don't think there is a single piece of legislation that has passed in my lifetime that is 180 degrees away from populism you have have dispossessed 17 million low-income people from health care. You're going to cut Medicare

as well, which is going to dispossess more low-income people. You are dispossessing millions of people off of food assistance. You are pushing a massive upward redistribution of wealth to the wealthiest in this country by all of the tax provisions. I mean, there's no other bill that is greater. And here she is now just looking to the real problem, the real expression of populism is

to attack immigrants. That's exactly right. Oh, here we have a clip of this. Oh, my bad. Sorry, go ahead. ...on the left that they're taking jobs that Americans will not do or don't want to do. And it's absolute nonsense. There's not

a single industry in the United States that's done by a majority. illegal migrant labor. The highest rates are about 30% in agriculture, which means 72% of people working farms are American citizens. And it is just so disgusting to say these are jobs that are beneath an American. Turns out Americans don't think that. When you have mass deportations and a closed border, employers have to pay more wages. And guess what? Americans are happy to take those jobs. As you look at the 19th.

Let's stop. Let's stop here for a second. I don't know that that woman's ever been on a farm in her entire life. There is no doubt that there are 70% of the farm workers may very well be

American citizens, but I got news for you. They are not out there picking almonds. They are not out there. Pick a peaches. Play this clip that we have from some farmers who are asked about this in the wake of these deportations and detentions. Keith Smith says most immigration workers left after the law took effect, so this potato

farmer hired Americans. Problem is, he says, most show up late, works slower, and are ready to head home after lunch. Some even quit after just one day out in the field. There's a Hispanic man at workforce, and I say, you know, he's 52. and he'll make anywhere from $70 to $100 a day. I said, if you can keep up with him and do a good job, you can make that. But they're not physically in shape to do it. And, you know, probably not mentally tough enough to do it some of it. I mean, look, the fact of the matter is, is if you come from a farming community in Mexico

and you have been raised in that environment, this type of work. is not as um uh you know like it's incredibly challenging but it's not as challenging because you're experienced at it i mean this is uh it is fascinating to me that this is like even remotely controversial you know it's possible in a couple of generations we could go back to where we have um more sort of like you know farmers particularly ones that are going to work on these sort of huge farms, you know, there are rural areas in New York State where there's a lot of farming in Hudson Valley. But these aren't massive farms. These are local, you know, local farm type of situations. But this whole right populism just evaporated two weeks ago. And the only

thing they have to sort of like push back on Trump now is he didn't release the Epstein files. It's incredible. But you know how Trump has those. hats that say Trump was right about everything, we need to make hats that say Batya's wrong about everything. Because her whole thesis, and she has been screaming this for like a year now, is that Trump is the true populist and the Democrats are the true elitists. And I did a video on this a while ago before the election, I think, laying out like, this is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Because if you look at his record, he killed increased overtime pay for millions of people. He killed the $15 minimum wage for federal contractors that Biden had put into place. He

got rid of that. He opposes the Pro Act. He opposes minimum wage increases. He destroyed the CFPB. He outsourced 200,000 jobs in his first term. In his second term, he already killed 115,000 jobs by killing some of the Biden legislation like the Chips Act. I mean, now, of course, as you pointed out, Sam, he cut Medicaid massively where 16, 17 million people are going to lose their health care. This also effectively cuts Medicare, the big beautiful bill, because it forces a sequester because it violates Pago. And so on every front, you could give me honestly, and I mean this, the worst Democrat, the worst one you could think of, mansion, cinema, whoever, way more populist than Trump and any Republican. I mean, look at Josh Hawley, who he was, oh, we really can't cut Medicaid.

That's a horrible idea. We should definitely not cut Medicaid. Then immediately turns around and votes to cut Medicaid. Right-wing populism is not a thing. It is completely, utterly fake. There was a time where you could maybe make an argument that, hey, if they mean what they say, then maybe but we are like the results are in we've had so long now to actually test whether or not they meet it and they don't i will grant them that like thomas massey you know there's like a libertarian strain on the right like with ron fall every now there is a guy and there is a guy and i got news for you thomas massey does not care about cutting people off of medicaid oh no no yeah the libertarians are horrible on economic policy anti-war and he may have a principled decision about like you know

sort of like, we shouldn't increase the debt, which I also think is a completely, like, you know, the idea, we shouldn't increase the debt in an inefficient way that does not invest in the country, but rather allows private individuals to sort of like get, reap the benefit of deficit spending. But Ron Paul said on a stage, if that guy doesn't have health insurance, they die on the street. That's what's happened. Right. That's right. No, the point that I was, the point that I was is that there is only one straight, 99% of the Republican Party, especially the elected officials, are MAGA, full stop. It's a cult. They'll go wherever Trump wants them to go. The 1% that does buck him every now and then are not the populist right, because the populist right is fake. It doesn't exist.

There's a libertarian strain that on some issues, some of the time, will maybe cut in a different direction. But the point you're making is also correct, which is libertarian and populace is not the same anyway, libertarians are the worst on economics because they want to get rid of the entire social safety net. But my point is people need to wake up to the fact that the whole idea of the populist right is a scam. It's completely fake. They just lie and then they turn around and vote like any George W. Bush era neocan free marketeer. Well, I mean, Josh Hawley's state, right? He's the senator from Missouri. I'm not making that up, right? It just came out today, this story, that the Republican governor, its official, has repealed the paid sick leave ballot measure that was voted on by, like, upwards, close to 60% of Missouri voters in the fall.

And they just basically, it would have helped over 700,000 private sector workers. And despite the fact that voters voted for it overwhelmingly, and it was taken to the, they tried to fight it in the state Supreme Court, unanimously upheld it. The Republican governor is doing away with it. Like, it's, this is, when we talk about our democracy, I can't think of a more undemocratic action. And that happens on from the Republican Party. That's the Republican Party. And it's not MAGA.

It's not like, Hakeem Jeffries keeps giving these quotes, calling them MAGA extremists. Like, would he be a, would this governor be a MAGA extremist? Because, I mean, he's not like right under Donald Trump. No, he's just a Republican. So call them Republicans. It's insane. Yeah, except the Lincoln Project guys are now apparently like loving Che Guevara. I don't know if you guys saw that video that they released. Some of the never Trump Republicans, it's kind of amazing that some of the never Trump

Republicans have now just morphed into like very aggressive leftists somehow. So that's the only thing that gives me some hope. But in terms of, yeah, the elected officials there, I mean, they're the same as they ever were, except if anything, they're just worse. and they've now mastered the art of just lying. It's almost like they realized within the last decade that we could just say the opposite of what we do and kind of get away with it

because nobody's going to call us on it and the media is not going to hold us accountable. And that's what they do. The whole party is built on lies. They are a fascist, robber barren party and they just lie as part of the program. Yeah. I mean, I think that's, you know,

getting back to what you had said earlier about Trump saying one thing and Stephen Miller doing another or the bill doing another. I think he just realized, like, I should just say the thing that is going to be received the best and let the, you know, let other people figure out what the reality is of it. I just don't know if he even thinks that much about, I don't think that calculation that I just walked out actually goes through his mind. I think he's just like, I know not to cut Medicare or Medicaid, so we're not cutting Medicaid, no, it has no relationship to what they're actually. doing i just don't think it matters to him like he said today we had a clip of him saying like

a year ago nobody was talking about america now we're hot with the hottest country and it's true there's probably a lot of people going like hey we should not deal with america anymore or hey america we're no longer going to follow their policy or you know we're we're going to look to china to um you know establish the but it is true uh if you look at a word cloud america may come up more often than it did a year ago. Kyle Kaczynski, real pleasure. We will, of course,

put links to both the Kyle Kalinsky show and Crystal Kyle and friends in our podcast and YouTube description. We could do this for another six hours. But I don't have that time. I don't like that or the energy. I hear you, man. Thanks for having me, guys.

I really appreciate it. It was fun. Yep. Thanks, Kyle. We're going to take quick break. When we come back, we're going to have folks from this space

Ben Dixon Andrew Ovensky is going to be here the letter hack and more it's a new project these folks have got going to tell you about it

we'll be right back after this you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. You know, and I'm going to be able to be. Yeah. Whoa.

Live. Wow, there we go. Look at that. Wow. Very excited to have, well, first of all, I think this is the biggest or the largest sort of like number of people we've had on the on the stream ever, although I'm not sure in their own sort of boxes. But that said, that's sort of the nature of this space. I want to welcome back to the program, Ben Dixon. Matt Strachbine, the letter hack folks might know him as, and Andrea Rovinsky, welcome, guys.

Thanks so much for coming here. Ben, why don't you start? Tell what is this space? This space is the brainchild of Matt, Andrea, Dave Grossman, and I got brought in to be a part. of it. It is a worker-led worker-class co-op, media co-op. It is a solidarity across silos. It's really a place where voices can stream and speak to the issues that matter the most to us, people who are getting off work and cutting on the camera and streaming. It's one of the

most diverse groups I've been a part of. We've been going on strong for multiple weeks now. It's really great. I think Matt will have so much more to say about it, but I just have to say it is the place that a lot of us have been dreaming about for some time, getting progressive voices together to stand up at a time. I think it's most important for us to be standing in solidarity, to be honest with you.

Yeah, Matt, why don't you, like, what was the impetus for this? How much of it was creator-focused and how much was it, like, audience-focused? it's both actually that's a great way to to phrase that question because um people know that i come from the viewership community i watch all the shows sometimes i watch a whole bunch of them at once uh and one day you know i was sitting there looking at my um my youtube homepage and all the different channels that i was subscribed to and i kept thinking like why can't this just be one channel because you know when you're done with the youtube video they'll send you

anywhere like you you could just end up it's you know some right wing show you don't know so i started asking around is anyone ever had the idea to put together like a collective like one channel where everyone was there you know like a lot of people will just leave CNN on in the background like why don't we have something like that that they could leave on in the background instead of the mainstream media you know and get some legit speaking truth to power and some some real commentary from the independent left. And I started asking around and people said, yeah, great idea, good luck.

A lot of people have tried it and it's not easy to pull off and few people have been successful with it and it always ends up failing. Along the way, and of course, that wasn't enough for us to back down. And so we started planning. I brought in Ben's producer, David Grossman, my frequent co-host, Jake Dragelis from what you can do,

Andrea and and and and and then Ben and I started asking like you know let's just figure it out right and we came up against a lot of um a lot of hangups that would that would mean failure and and but only in terms of like doing it for profit but we weren't doing it for profit so we could just keep going and um the the more we planned and the more we talked about it the closer we got to the point where we could bring other people And so that's when we decided, look, this really is about content creators and giving people a platform and showing that we have strength and numbers. But a point that I often make, and I'm not the only one, but I do it as much as I can, is that the online left isn't just made up of content creators. It's the subscribers, the viewers, the followers, all the audience.

And if we can merge our audiences and we can bring that shared audience to a more consistent, engagement, then the possibilities are really unlimited. And the potential for this platform to do things beyond infotainment or just, you know, having a news show or whatever is greater than, than we can at the moment perceive. Well, we're looking right now, I think a lot of folks are for solidarity networks, especially in the wake of these immigration, not in the wake, in the midst of these horrific immigration, ice raids, do you foresee this space being a place where people can share resources and come together in that way as well? Basically, yeah, we want it to be like an organizational apparatus,

right? We don't want it just to be like, here's a couple streamers you're watching, you know, when you just want to watch some streamers or whatever. We want to bring people information, calls to action, you know, give people resources. You want to reduce the friction as much as possible between the viewers and actually getting something done. And when we're all putting our energy together, we can get that stuff out as soon as possible, even quicker than if we're all on our own doing the same thing over and over by ourselves. So, Andrew, I mean, tell us, like, logistically speaking, or just experientially, if I go to the channel, and it's YouTube.com slash this space, is it?

Our website is ThisSpace. It's got all our links there. Our YouTube is also ThisSpace TV. Okay. And so what do I see? Like, I mean, like, walk me through a day on this space. Well, right now we're only streaming on Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday. We're starting at a reasonable amount.

We want to eventually do seven days a week if we can get there 24 hours a day. But if we start out that, like, you know, right away, we're not going to, we're just going to fall apart. We're going to fail. And I personally, I'm looking forward to failure, but maybe in a couple decades. But, you know, so right now is a Friday. So you'll probably, you can go look at videos. I think we're premiering a new video today. We're trying to put clips out there, some original stuff on the weekends.

But primarily, we're live pretty much all day on Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday at the moment. So if you go there right now, you can subscribe and wait until Tuesday, or you can watch the previous live streams or watch some of the clips, that kind of stuff. Yeah. Matt, yeah, tell us, like, live, okay, who's live? So if I show up on Tuesday at 9 a.m., is there somebody streaming all day? I mean, how does it work? It's basically like a baton pass, you know, like every hour, someone else will pass it.

Someone else will do it. We have syndicated material, too. So if, you know, someone can't fill a block, we can play someone else's videos. Some of that's, you know, stuff that you've seen before on YouTube, some of it's stuff that maybe you've never seen before. And it's also there's an element of surprise. You never know what's going to happen, anything that happened. Yeah, it's one consistent stream. We actually have people lined up to join us.

And we're sort of pumping the brakes. We just did our fifth week, and we're very happy with the way it's going. We've run into every single logistical or technical glitch you could come up with. And we have a full-time producer behind the scenes. So the way we explain it or the way we pitch it to creators is we give you the race card, the racetrack, and the pick. crew, all you have to do is sit down and drive. Give us an hour. Give us two hours. People are already collaborating. People are already jumping on each other shows. You might have a two-hour

block where we show the most recent episode of the leftist mafia. And then it's just an hour block of different David Dole, Rational National videos or the Humanist Report videos. And then it's me for an hour. Then it's our weekly panel show Left Past 10 with Andrea and I. And then it's Cosmopolitics, who you know from movie night extravaganza. And then we're showing movie night extravaganza. And it's Devils Advocate Productions, who is Alex. He used to always call in to talk about leftist MMA, I believe. I don't know if you remember those, because he's a frequent call of yours.

Dr. Mark Allendrery is on, right? So we've got a whole big variety of content. It's syndicated. Sometimes it's pre-recorded, but exclusive to us. us and, of course, a lot of live stuff. And so it's always like, you know, you can check out this space to find out about new creators and then go to their channel and watch them the rest of the time. Or you can, you know, cross-pollinate.

Ben, how is your audience, I mean, you've been doing this for a long time over the years, and you've been involved in a bunch of different types of networks and projects. over the years. I'm curious from from your perspective, you know, A, what makes this different? And B, like, what's the reaction been from, you know, your audience? Yeah. So what makes this difference, I think, is both the timing and the commitment, right? So there's so many people who are involved in this, who stream live. And they are as committed to doing this for the sake of it being done. Right. There's been a lot of projects that I've been a part of over the years, and I've seen them fall apart because of money and ego.

In this case, we haven't come across that, right? Maybe it'll show up, maybe it won't, but right now it's not there. What's here right now are streamers who are committed to solidarity, to progressivism, to actually help liberate people no matter where we find the oppressed. That's what they stand for. That's what they fight for. And it's so many different silos, right? Every community is represented.

It doesn't matter, like, where you, are, how you identify, or what community you come from, we're there. And we have solidarity across all of those silos. And I think that's the most important thing. Right now, the biggest thing for the audience that I've seen is the initiative. The people in the audience are taking the initiative. Last week, they started a discord for people to organize to do online pushback. Not counter-trolling, but that's probably the easiest way for people to visualize it. But it's a truth campaign where we are organizing ourselves. They initiated and I jumped in because I want to be a part of that. And we're going across social media and anytime we see a lie or anytime we see magotrolling or

anything like that, we're bringing a response, a reaction to that so that we can help counter the narratives. And that was initiated from the audience. And so I think that's the biggest change this year. Oh, that's fascinating. And so Matt, like what, you know, I know it's a little bit early but I imagine that you guys have, you know, plans and a vision, right? Now you're doing Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Thursday, live. Is the idea 24-7? Is it, like, where does it go from here? Yeah, that's kind of what we were thinking is that it would be 24-7.

We keep saying in our planning meetings that anything can happen with this space and in this case that's a very good thing um there's many avenues that we could try to predict we could go down and and our expectations are continually met and we have some pretty lofty ones the main one being 24-7 um we don't want to just air a replay of 10 hours of streaming but we could um not everyone is on the same schedule so uh there's nighthouse who would benefit from that. But there's also people who stream all night long. It's more of a logistical challenge at the moment. And, you know, everyone's got to be, our number one thing is that everyone needs to be as inclusive as possible. And so there's a, there's sort of a vetting of it. I wouldn't

even call it vetting. We just sort of need to know who we're working with. And there's so many platforms out there that these people have reputations already. And so, you know, know, we're building trust along the way, but that's also people building trust with us, that we're going to continue to optimize on their behalf and that we're going to continue to promote them, all their platforms, how to, how to support them monetarily. And so really, it's like, you know, it's not so much logistical, technical, and like from a business standpoint as it is building trust and solidarity with people on a regular basis and trying to, you know, but have genuine relationships and not just people to fill a slot.

What we're trying to smoke out is to make sure that we don't have any anomalies torn out of our project that go over and then end up on Megan Kelly or Glenn Beck or, you know, on the right. So that's the only thing. That's the only slow role is like we really do want to get to know the creators before they come on. And I can just tell you one for one for one, everybody that is on this platform already, like they're solid.

They're solid. And I'm proud to be like in the. line up. I come up after Jackson White and then after me comes up angry ginger and it's just the handoff and the camaraderie. It's really something to see. Yeah, that's great. And I think, you know, I think that part of the project is helped by you guys having a very clear, you know, I think in developed ideological grounding in this stuff. It is much harder to make sure that you're hiring or working with the right people if you you know you haven't had that type of grounding i mean you know it happens uh you know it happens from time to time yeah well uh in in um

i guess uh uh what other i you're on youtube are you on like twitch are you guys on rumble do you know rumble has been great for us matt what's our growth been i think we've gone from like eight people watching to like 10 which is a, which is like a 20% growth. You know, that's pretty good numbers.

But we didn't, are you having gone? What? Matt's, we're at five viewers today, so I guess we've got to hit a little bit of a dip from our double ditches. Growth does not happen in a straight line.

Right, right. But are you guys on uh are you guys on uh other uh platforms or is that something that you're going to roll out as well yeah we are going to roll that out um that's the plan uh we're we're we're not taking baby steps i mean i if you were in our position you would see that we are definitely not taking baby steps like this is a big this is a big honestly just getting uh five people on this stream you know that was like i know how much you know the matt and brian and and you guys had to, you know, coordinate.

I mean, it's, it is not easy to do, you know, if you have half a million dollars to go in and create a movie studio and a higher, you know, or I should say, you know, a professional studio and hire, you know, pros at this, you know, it makes it a little bit easier. But that's obviously, you know, not the project. And, you know, it's out of reach for most of us. We're very unprofessional for sure. Well, we had like 10 people on during the New York primary recently.

We had 10 people on screen at once. It was a blast. We had a great time. Now, the reason why we're starting out with YouTube is because that's the platform that we know the best between us. And, you know, when you go to another platform, there's new restrictions. There's new things that you can and can't say. And you've got to take that into account. So one platform at a time.

That's our plan. Yeah. Well, Andrea, Ben, Matt, really impressed with what you guys are doing and wish you the best of luck. And we will obviously put links to this space, both the site and the YouTube channel. Folks, go check it out. It's a great project. Really, I really hope it turns into something massive, both for your sake,

but also for the entire movement's sake. I really appreciate it. Sam, can I say one last thing? Sure, of course. Really quickly. I don't think so. I think we're working on time here. I was asking Sam.

When Michael Brooks passed away, there was some dialogue online about his personal desire to see a more united left. And a lot of people took that to mean the online left, less infighting, less drama, more uniting around policy issues, campaigns, candidates, that kind of stuff, more positivity and that very much inspires what we're trying to do with this space and i wanted to just take a second to directly throw some shame to anyone who is supposedly on our side on the left on the online left but only talking about the problems that exist the problems we face and not being solution oriented i'm not saying this space is the solution but it is a platform where we will develop solutions. And so I

asked him to give us a chance. Otherwise, frankly, you're just bitching and moaning out into the void and you could be with us instead. Give us some space even. There you go. Very well done. See, that name works on all levels.

All right, guys. Well, thanks so much. And good luck and again. We'll put the links in our podcast and YouTube description and at majority.com. We're going to take a quick break, and when we come back, we'll probably head into the fun half. Yeah. Have a good show.

All right. Thanks guys. Thanks for having us. Thanks so much. Folks, just a reminder, you can support this show by going to join the Majority Report.com, but go check out this space. It's a great project. I really hope this thing takes off. also just coffee just coffee dot co-op fair trade coffee hot chocolate use the coupon code

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