The Majority Report with Sam Seder - 3541 - The Trump-Epstein Enigma w/ Heather 'Digby' Parton & Francesca Fiorentini

Episode Date: July 18, 2025

Break out your soft collar, it's Casual Friday and today's whole episode is a freebie. We open with an enigma that never ages, Jeffrey Epstein and his relationship with his proclaimed best friend, Donald Trump. We take a look at the Wall Street Journal's piece on Trump's lewd birthday card drawing for Epstein's 50th. Heather 'Digby' Parton joins us for further discussion around Epstein. Digby also talks about her piece in Salon.com Trump's war on science and medicine Comedian, Francesca Fioretini hops on to discuss CBS cancelling Late Night with Stephen Colbert. Got to protect that merger. Greg Gutfeld continues to think he's funny...he's not...he sucks. All that and a whole lot more. Enjoy! Become a member at JoinTheMajorityReport.com: https://fans.fm/majority/join Follow us on TikTok here!: https://www.tiktok.com/@majorityreportfm Check us out on Twitch here!: https://www.twitch.tv/themajorityreport Find our Rumble stream here!: https://rumble.com/user/majorityreport Check out our alt YouTube channel here!: https://www.youtube.com/majorityreportlive Gift a Majority Report subscription here: https://fans.fm/majority/gift Subscribe to the ESVN YouTube channel here: https://www.youtube.com/esvnshow Subscribe to the AMQuickie newsletter here: https://am-quickie.ghost.io/ Join the Majority Report Discord! https://majoritydiscord.com/ Get all your MR merch at our store: https://shop.majorityreportradio.com/ Get the free Majority Report App!: https://majority.fm/app Go to https://JustCoffee.coop and use coupon code majority to get 10% off your purchase Check out today's sponsors EXPRESS VPN: Get an extra 4 months free. Expressvpn.com/Majority SUNSET LAKE: Head on over to SunsetlakeCBD.com and use code NewSticks to treat your aches and pains to some much-deserved relief. This sale ends July 20th at midnight Follow the Majority Report crew on Twitter: @SamSeder @EmmaVigeland @MattLech Check out Matt’s show, Left Reckoning, on YouTube, and subscribe on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/leftreckoning Check out Matt Binder’s YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/mattbinder Subscribe to Brandon’s show The Discourse on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/ExpandTheDiscourse Check out Ava Raiza’s music here! https://avaraiza.bandcamp.com/ The Majority Report with Sam Seder – https://majorityreportradio.com/

the majority report with Sam Cedar where every day is casual Friday that means Monday is casual Monday Tuesday casual Tuesday Wednesday casual hump day Thursday casual. That's what we call it and Friday casual Shabbat With Sam Cedar It is Friday July 18th 2025 my name is Sam Cedar. This is the five time award winning majority report. We are broadcasting live steps from the industrially ravaged Gowanus Canal in the heartland of America, downtown Brooklyn, USA. On the program today, Heather Digby Parton,

On the program today, Heather Digby Parton, the Uber blog, Hullabaloo, and contributor to Salon.com to wrap the week, to share secrets with us. Also on the program today, Francesca Fiorentini, comedian and host of The Bituation Room will be joining us later in the program. Meanwhile, public broadcasters and foreign aid programs devastated by Republican clawback cuts. It's going to hit local public radio stations the most. And on the foreign aid side, the Lancet Medical Journal anticipates at least 14 million

deaths by 2030 because of these cuts. Meanwhile, Trump threatens to sue Rupert Murdoch and the Wall Street Journal after they had the audacity to release a super cryptic bromance birthday card that Trump sent to Jeffrey Epstein. Corporate Democrats joined Republicans in passage of the genius Pro Money Laundering Act. That's not its official name. ACA prices to skyrocket in the wake of the Republican big bills, healthcare cuts as insurance companies are looking to raise rates. CBS canceling the highest rated late night show.

That's the one with Stephen Colbert in what looks like a sop to Trump to grease its sky dance merger. Trump administration tells embassies to stop criticizing foreign elections. Huh. Attorney's sue to restore deportation protections for abused migrant children. Trump diagnosed with chronic, venous insufficiency. However, his chronic venality still more than sufficient. Jim Jordan may be deposed over his turning a blind eye to the Ohio State University student sex abuse case.

Hmm. Maybe there's a problem within the Republican Party to this. All this and more on today's majority report. Welcome, ladies and gentlemen. Thanks so much for joining us. It is... Casual Friday. Casual Friday. Yes. Emma Vigeland in with the catchphrase that we use on Fridays to justify dressing down a little bit. Right.

Soft collars for you. Yep. There we go. It's it's my time to sit back Relax think about the About the world. Yeah, exactly. It's very relaxing Like a desecration You go ahead. Yeah, you go ahead We should let's put up The let's put up number eight and then we'll do the number 10 stuff. Apparently the White House is known for some time that the Wall Street Journal is working on this big story about Donald Trump's very, very intimate bromance that he had going with Jeffrey Epstein.

I mean, people sort of had a good notion that they were buddies. At one point, I think like Jeffrey Epstein said, like, oh, we're best friends. Oh, he told a journalist that, I mean, a few years before his death. But Sam, this is so puritanical of you. I mean, the personal is not political. You can't endorse everything your friends do, right? No, of course not. Of course not. But here's Donald Trump calling in to a radio show. What is this?

It's called Just the News. I think it's like a Roku news channel. Real America's Voice show, Just the News, no noise. It's called just the news. I think it's a like a roku news channel real america's voice Show just the news. No noise. No noise and uh, he's calling in and uh in anticipation of this article dropping I think on some level there they were trying furiously to stop the wall street journal from publishing this because I don't know government secrets. I'm not sure well how the Grounds that they would say don't well He says it's fake and he told Rupert Murdoch that it was fake and they published it and they published it anyway Boy, why don't kale? All right good

For all the things that have happened. There's the Russia collusion against you. There is Jack Smith against you There's all the things that happened in 2020, not investigating China interference in the 2020 election. Pause it for a second. Is this Jonathan Solomon? Is that who that guy is? Is that guy like an AEA guy or a former, I think, AP reporter? It doesn't matter.

Go ahead. No idea. There's the Russia collusion against you there is jack smith against you there's all the things that happened twenty twenty nine investigating so much against parents in the twenty twenty election where do you think what are the things are most important that you would like to see the f dot i get to the bottom of

i think they could look at all of it it's's all the same scam. They could look at this Jeffrey Epstein hoax also, because that's the same stuff. That's all put out by Democrats. And you know, some of the, the naive Republicans fall right into line like they always do. They just don't have the, they don't have the sustainability. They don't have the something. They don't have that stick to it. It's like Lou. The Democrats, you know, they have bad policy. They have bad candidates. They have bad everything. But they stick together.

The Republicans don't do that. But they ought to look into the Jeffrey Epstein hoax, too, because that's another hoax that's, frankly, put out by the Democrats, pushing the Republicans and put out by the Democrats. They definitely set the Republicans up. One big prospect to look at it all. Wait, wait, pause it. Wait, wait, they definitely set the Republicans up? Yep.

You know, I've been saying this the whole time. They're playing a real long game. First of all, Trump has accused Hillary Clinton of helping forge these documents, which we should look into it because she must, she's diabolical as we know. She was playing the long game by, you know, like having her husband become very close friends with Jeffrey Epstein, being photographed with him all the time, inviting Ghislaine Maxwell to his daughter, to their only daughter's wedding, that kind of thing. She must, she was so burned by being humiliated and rightfully so by the Monica Lewinsky thing that she just played this really long game to set her husband up and then also take down the Republicans. You know who forged this stuff of course was Vince Foster

that's why they had to and that was a loose end. That's a great point. That they had to get rid of but let's go back to listen to how the Republicans got set up here. Pushing the Republicans and put out by the Democrats. No, they definitely set the Republicans up. One one big prosecutor look at it all. Would that make you feel good, you think? Well, I think it's in the case of Epstein, they've already looked at it and they are looking at it, and I think all they have to do is put out anything credible.

But, you know, that was run by the Biden administration for four years. I can imagine what they put into files, just like they did with the others. I mean, the Steele dossier was a total fake. It took two years to figure that out for the people. And all of the things that you mentioned were fake. So I would imagine if they were run by Chris Ray

and they were run by Comey and because it was actually even before that administration. They've been running these files and so much of the things that we found were fake with me. But especially you look at that Steele dossier where they paid like 14 or 16 million. That's more than James Patterson gets paid to do a number one bestseller Just to remind folks Donald Trump was president from

2017 to 2021 really, I mean technically technically speaking. And Jeffrey Epstein was arraigned and imprisoned in 2019. And died, yeah. And died. But my point being, I mean, died. But my point being that all of those files actually were in the hands of all people that Trump had control over for those three years in leading up to it. Now, I guess it's possible that after those files were assembled, upon his death, when Biden got in, they said, we've got to reopen these files. We've got to make it look incriminating

for Trump. And then the run up to the election, we're not going to say anything about it. We're going to wait for him to win the election. Then we're going to start having calls to release the information. This is a brilliant plan. We'll put him in the most powerful office in the country, in the world, and then we'll have him right where we want him. Exactly. You know the old strategy. Hey man. You know the old strategy, of course, the bigger they are, the harder they fall. So we'll wait until he's president to release these documents. So we'll wait until he's president to release these documents, but

Trump is worried in that conversation about the article that comes out in the Wall Street Journal and there is a apparently one of the things that they found was a Birthday card that Donald Trump sent to Jeffrey Epstein for his 50th birthday. And by the way, this was like a booklet that Maxwell had put together for for Epstein. And it included, according to the journal, other cards from Alan Dershowitz and Wexner who what who has seen his money for decades. What'd you say? Is Wexner the Victoria's Secret?

Yeah. Yeah. So there are other letters in there from his known associates bolstering the claim that this is not a fake letter like Donald Trump is alleging here. All right. And we obviously need to read the card. It was typewritten within the outline of a nude woman, which, of course, is, you know, that's very classic divorce 50 year old guy birthday card. But this one is we signed Donald to look like we'll call Southern hair on the lady.

His name Donald. Well, we've seen how he signs his name. It's very in inky so he was attempting to make it look like the woman's pubic well they are not a lot of time and i think around the idea around the word uh... hair as opposed to the the fact that i know that you know that you know i i i'm not like james patterson i don't have a way with the word you know uh... have a way with words. You know, here is the card and it starts with a voiceover, which

of course, because it's a voiceover, I'll read in a British accent. Okay, well this is an imaginary conversation that Trump wrote out for Epstein in the third person. Right. Of them talking. There must be more to life than having everything. Oh god. The note begins. Donald. Yes there is, but I won't tell you what it is. Jeffrey. Nor will I, since I also know what it is. Donald. We have certain things in common.

Jeffrey. Jeffrey. Yes, we do. Come to think of it. Enigmas never age. Have you noticed that? That's what they always say. Enigmas never age. What about who's aging? They never age. Hey, that's statutory age.

They never age. They all stay the same age. Things that confused me when I was 10 confuse me now. As a matter of fact, it was clear to me the last time I saw you. Donald, a pal is a wonderful thing. Happy birthday, and may every day be another wonderful secret. So that's like the most incriminating thing I've ever seen in my life. Well, but this is what the strange thing is, is that like the best thing is that like Donald says enigmas never age.

Have you noticed that? And Jeffrey says, as a matter of fact, it was clear to me the last time I saw you. Now, like, is this, is Donald talking about himself and then having Jeffrey compliment him for Jeffrey's birthday card? It would, that's what makes it sound like Trump.

I wrote this card in a way so that you have an opportunity to compliment me for your birthday. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot that you could make from this in terms of like, you know, I wonder what the secrets that they share. It's so hard to figure out. I don't think it could be just the fact that Epstein has a huge child trafficking ring that Trump enjoys.

I mean, I have to wildly speculate here, but to wildly speculate, and of course this is just a wild speculation, the late Wayne Barrett who reported on Donald Trump more than any other person in New York from the Village Voice for 30 years, who died literally, I think, on the day he was inaugurated the first time. He was on the program and he was saying it is all about Felix Sater.

Who was Felix Sater? Well, he was a big name in the first Trump administration. We don't hear from him at all anymore. He was a special adviser to Donald Trump. He had a card. He had his office in Trump Tower. But he also, it turns out, was a CIA asset and an FBI asset, so much so that Loretta Lynch, when she was U.S. attorney in the Eastern District of Manhattan,

wrote an affidavit in support of leniency for him when he stuck a guy in the face with a champagne flute in a bar fight. And Felix Sader, supposedly, has been attributed with getting Osama bin Laden's phone number, cell phone number, that they used to track Osama bin Laden when they killed him. And Seder was basically helping launder money from Russian oligarchs into the Trump properties. And Wayne Barrett was always convinced it was all about him. So who knows what Donald Trump was doing at that time? I mean, I've often wondered, like, how is it possible that nobody ever went after Donald Trump after, like, 1972,

when the DOJ just gave him a consent decree? Like, the idea that Donald Trump was on the up and up and wasn't a perfect target for an ambitious attorney general or district attorney or whomever. I mean, it's sort of fascinating. He and Epstein might have that in common. Somebody who got away with seemingly in broad daylight crimes over and over and over again. And there, Acosta, Matt found this old clip of Acosta right before he was fired in 2019 over this scandal from the Trump administration or had to resign. And he's asked about the claims that Epstein belonged to intelligence and he gives a complete non-answer.

Like it was shocking. I hadn't seen that clip before about how evasive he was at that reporter's question. So I mean, I think that he might have more in common with Epstein in terms of like, their collaboration with intelligence than we might think. And that's part of why Trump is down to keep covering this up despite it being a political problem for him. And I would hear you on this if the whole card wasn't filled with illustrations of naked women, which seemed relevant to the little secret he's talking about. Well, two things can be true. Two things can be true.

Two things can be true. It's out here in the Emma, it works on two levels. I'm sorry. Take it up. Take it in these cards for Christ's sake. First of all, I never draw for pictures. I've never drawn a picture ever in my life. But if I were, I wouldn't do a full woman's body. I'd

just do the breasts. It's much easier to draw. Look at my calculator. I wrote 8,005. What is it? Yes. Yeah. 80,085. 80,085. You know what I'm talking about. I pretended to be slow on that. it doesn't need her eight eight thousand eighty five eighty thousand eighty five you know what i'm talking about it and it is slow on that uh...

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Head over to SunsetLakeSuppaday.com. Use the code NEWSTICKS to treat your aches and pains to some much deserved relief. Check it out. See their site for terms and conditions. Quick break. and we'll be talking to Heather Digby-Parten. Yeah. The We are back, Sam Seder, Emma Vigeland on the Major Report. Want to welcome back to the program the proprietor of the uber blog Hullabaloo and the commentator or writer, essayist at Salon.com. Digby, welcome back to the show. Thanks for having me. Glad to be here. Happy Friday. Yes. Well, let's talk about some fun stuff up front and then we've got some

grimmer stuff to talk about. I mean, it's been pretty grim over the past, even since the last time you've been on, the passage of that big bill, the rescission package that happened, the Genius Act passed. Want to get into those things and what you feel the Democrats are doing about it too. But first, let's talk about this clip from Harry Anton on CNN. And it shows that Donald Trump's polling amongst Republicans, just to be clear, this is just Republicans, has not been hurt by this Epstein, you know, ma-ga-saga, as we call it. Here we go. this uh... at steam uh... you know maga saga as we call it i mean what i think this one surprise me a bit because of all these complaints

online going after trump and the at steam files you might think is approval ratings were going down republicans and anything they're going up republicans who approve of trump look at our cnm all the prior one eighty six percent the one out this week eighty eight percent republicans have a quick at the act the prior one 86%, the one out this week 88% were Republicans. How about Quinnipiac, the prior poll 87% approval for Republicans, this week out 90% with Republicans. If anything, Donald Trump's approval rating has gone up since his whole Epstein saga started.

He is at the apex or close there too in terms of his popularity with Republican voters, Epstein files, complaints or not. You just proved that not everything online is real yes i know uh... on the internet and i think that uh... on the other side of the other one second uh... that's not incidently

not what it proves uh... it just proves that there might be other people besides republicans online but nevertheless let's just keep going. But the margin of error is six. Like, I don't understand the framing of, I'm not saying that Trump's supporters are going to abandon him. I'm not saying that, but it's a very odd framing when it's both of these are within the margin of error to frame that he's increased his support.

Well, let's put it this way. I mean, if the poll had said he's losing three well let's put it this way i mean if if the poll had said uh... he's losing three points a poll we wouldn't we wouldn't be uh... talking about it now but let's keep playing this complaints or not you just prove that not everything online is real yeah i know amazing twitter and actually not reality is there any reason that you can find that this hasn't

taken hold and hurt him? Yeah, I mean on X all you hear about is the Epstein files, but how about out in the real public? Republicans who said the top issue was Epstein case, the answer is one. One, and not one percent. One responded. This is a great little finding that Ariel Edwards-Levy, who of course is part of our polling unit found just one single republican sat at the nation's

top problem is in fact the fck not much of a surprise that therefore donald trump's approval rating has not suffered with republican because of the fck at the bottom line is most americans say it's not up high up on their priority i have no doubt that it's not up on their priority list, but it is important. It's sort of an interesting narrative that they're trying to push here, but let's put up the graph of Trump's actual approval rating. It appears there's more than just Republicans in the country.

I mean, it's not going well for him. It really isn't. I mean, he's, and this is just, this is the, understand this is the poll average. His disapproval is about as high as it, you know, as it's gotten. Could you just scroll up quickly to see which polls are also included in this as well? Rasmussen is a joke, and that's included in the average. So right there, there are some junk Republican polls that have kind of, I think, proliferated over the past maybe two presidential election cycles.

Definitely. But nevertheless, his approval rating appears to be going down. Not dramatically, but Heather, give me your sense of like what, what, what interests me about this is why are all the right-winger media people still pursuing this? Like how come they haven't been able to get past this? Well, I mean, I, I don't know what to make of the Harry Empton stuff. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Not because I don't, I mean, we've seen this before. When Bill Clinton was under, you know, the scrutiny for over the Monica Lewinsky thing, his poll ratings went up. They went up

substantially and not just with Democrats. They went up among everybody who felt that it was kind of a media, you know, created scandal and that people were making too much of it. And of course, the country was doing very well at the time. Economically, things were going well. People did not want to rock the boat. I mean, it was, it was a, you know, a very different sort of circumstance, but the same thing kind of happened. So I guess that part of it doesn't really surprise me that very different sort of circumstance, but the same thing kind of happened. So I guess that part of it doesn't really surprise me that Republicans would sort of

do a quick rally around the flag kind of thing, especially for Trump. The media though, I think that there is a sense among the right-wing media, and this is starting with the influencers on the right who I think have much more clout than people give them credit for among the mainstream right-wing media, meaning Fox or, you know, I don't know, the New York Post or whatever. Although I would have said the Wall Street Journal until a few days ago, or maybe last night. But they know that the MAGA movement is, they are dependent on it. These influencers are dependent on what we think of as the MAGA movement, which is very,

very online. It's very, very much concerned with these kind of things. And they do care about this. And, you know, we'll see whether or not this, this, you know, kind of emphasis on it. People like Alex Jones, people like Joe Rogan, people like, you know, kind of emphasis on it. People like Alex Jones, people like Joe Rogan, people like, you know, what's her name, Libs of TikToker or Laura Loomer, or, you know, these kind of people who we look at and go, huh, you know,

why is anybody paying attention to these people? They do have a following that seems to me pretty clearly that there are plenty of people who are very worried about that following. And that following is where their money is made. And honestly, that's where I think down in Bongino was this past week. I mean, just to recap, Bongino was in the midst of of this whole release by the Department of Justice saying that the Epstein files is nothing.

We found nothing. Case closed. Let's move on. And Bongino reportedly was very upset by this. Now, I don't know if that's actually what happened. Because what I read, and I can't remember where I read this, but I think it may make a little more sense than what people are saying, was that he was being blamed for leaks that went to the press, because they leaked that memo. And he was being blamed for it and got very upset with Pam Bondi and they had a screaming fight in the White House and Bongino didn't go to work the next day and they thought he was going

to quit etc etc. Bongino is a creature of this influencer world on the right. That is what he is. That is his life. He misses it. Obviously he said so. He doesn't really like his job. He liked being a podcaster and he also made a boatload of money doing it. He made a lot of money and all these people made a lot of money doing it. Having this thing out there, you know, this is going straight directly to their financial bottom line is this Epstein thing. They made money on it to begin with. They will make money. They will lose money if it disappears. There's a whole lot of incentives there for them to, you know, be at least concerned with it, if not obsessed with it. So I think that that's part of it. I don't know it's a full explanation, but I think that it's a big part of it. I mean, I really felt from the beginning when

I saw that Bongino was thinking of quitting, I'm going, he wants to go back. You know, he's preserving his ability to make a lot of money. And if he, and he doesn't want to be caught up in some coverup of, you know, Epstein. Well, this is the thing that I think is really important about this story. And regardless of your feelings about like, I still think it's just incredible

that it's not being screened from the rooftops that they edited out three minutes of that supposedly raw footage that they released. Like, I mean, this is, that's insane. And the incompetence is insane too. But what it hits at is, is the Democrats for Trump for the past 10 years have enabled this narrative of Trump being an outsider who is combating the elites. That's how he won in 2016.

The deep state, right? And they've continued down that course with the MAGA extremists. You hear this every time from fricking Hakeem Jeffries on TV, now calling them Republicans, tying him to the establishment of the party. What this does for his base is it makes it look like he's covering up for the amorphous elites that they've been talking about him combating. And so I am skeptical that this is not going to actually hurt him at least a little bit. And so I found the inclusion of like saying he increased his support with a six point margin of error to be a little weird because it may take a little bit longer.

And the hardcore Republicans, they'll always be with him. But what this really hurts him with are the bro-manosphere people who voted for him after, you know, Taylor Lorenz did this piece about how in the aftermath of the pandemic, 2020 on, there wasn't this divide between the online world and the traditional political world that used to exist. Podcasts exploded. All of these right-wingers can start to consume this kind of media as well, including like anti-vax stuff and more conspiracism. And that's where I think this could cause an issue for him is within this new media ecosystem. Well, there's no doubt. And I think also, I mean, keep in mind, there was some fraying around the edges before the Epstein thing happened in that Manosphere group. There was Joe

Rogan was complaining about the immigration thing saying, hey, I didn't know they were going to do that. They weren't going to go after guys working at, you know, as gardeners and at Home Depot. I thought it was going to be the worst of the worst. This guy, what's his name? Adam Schultz? Is it Adam Schultz? Andrew. Andrew, sorry. Yeah, Andrew Schultz. I mean, he was kind of going on and showing some skepticism and kind of going, you know, what? This isn't really what I thought it was going to be. So then along comes the Epstein thing and it's exactly what you said Emma They had big, you know They had based everything on this idea of him being the guy who was going to clean up this

cabal of Whatever among the Epstein Q and you know, there's a direct line between Q and on and Epstein obviously it's about this international pedophile cabal. And when Epstein came along, all those QAnon people went, Eureka! There it is, the proof. Here's the big pedophile. And he was flying around with Clinton and had Ehud Barak and then Mossad, you know, this was a perfect conspiracy theory for them to latch on to. So, you know, there's that, you know, that kind of hardcore there among the MAGA faithful that actually for them, this is it. I mean, I think Glenn Beck called it the Rosetta Stone of the MAGA movement was this was the Epstein files. I Would like to see what the polling is on Pam Bondi because I think to a certain extent we could be in that stage

where it's like Donald Trump is getting screwed by his advisors and there you know, you know, like Pam Bondi could be part of the deep state and there, you know, the you know, like Pam Bondi could be part of the deep state and But I think I think the point you guys are making about this Epstein thing being less about Donald Trump being a pedophile And more about him not cleaning the swamp and protecting people. I don't think it's landed on him yet I think it's on Pam Bondi and frankly, like I'm okay with that insofar as like make them on Pam Bondi. And frankly, like, I'm okay with that in so far as like, make them fire Pam Bondi, make them hire, you know, a new Department of Justice. I mean, that to me, ultimately, is the value of this whole scandal is just, how can it like,

make it more difficult for them to govern and I think that the next step though I don't think they're gonna fire bondi right away The next step will be a special prosecutor and you guys aren't gonna believe who they're talking about among the the MAGA people as Laura Loomer will be the special prosecutor. It's even wilder than that. Although that would be good They would get thinking that the guy the the one that is most obvious to choose is Matt Gaetz. They're actually saying that that's not a joke. I looked it up and you know, they're right. Because when it comes to underage sex trafficking, that guy knows his stuff.

He really, he is an expert. You've got to know exactly what you're looking at. I have no doubt that guy knows what he's doing when it comes to that. So, you know, I mean, that's a real thing. They're actually talking about it. So, you know, this is I think there are several steps here. And I actually thought about this the other day. I thought, you know, what we're dealing with Trump is finally dealing with the

Clinton rules. The Clinton rules are when a scandal like this comes along, which is always something sexy. It's got some sexy thing going on, whether it was Clinton back in the day, or, I know, Anthony Weiner, or, you know, there's always, there's, you know, this is the right wing is a dog with a bone on this. They love this stuff. They love it. They love it. They won't admit that they love it, but that's what it is. And they're not going to let it go. So every time you do something, and I don't think Trump has learned this, because if he had learned this, he would not be feeding it the way he is. You know, he's insulting his followers. He's saying this is all nonsense. It's a hoax and whatever. If you do that, it just fans the flames.

And that's, I mean, that's Clinton rules. And the next step is we're going to do something. We'll name a special prosecutor. We'll fire Dan Bongino or Dan Bongino will quit. Or, you know, there's these steps that you go through. Oh, he already started. He said that, you know, we're going to release the grand jury transcripts. And in the process, Well, the ones that are relevant. The ones that are relevant. The credible ones, not the ones that had to do with, you know, anything to do with me. The beautiful ones. Yeah, the beautiful, the perfect ones. So he's, you know, he's already started. And by the way, in the process of that, he also, you know, proved that he's ordering the Department of Justice to do stuff, which the president isn't supposed to do. And he's claimed, oh, I have nothing to do with it. And then he orders Pam Bondi and she goes yes sir we're on it right there we'll do it in the morning. So that's the you know that's you start doing these steps it's never enough right never enough there will always be a next step it will

always be something else that they're going to need. So the scandal isn't going to die as long as they're going to they're doing this stuff and then you've got people like the Wall Street Journal. Now, the Wall Street Journal has a following of a very special, discrete part of the Republican coalition called people with money. And Trump's already got some issues there, right? I mean, they've got their tax cuts, that's done. Right. Now they're just like, we're done. We got what we wanted. Thanks. They're worried about the tariffs and the markets and yeah, it's interesting. They've got their own stuff going on.

That's what I think is going on here on some level. That's the thing that makes this different, right? I mean, I get the idea that this is a very easy thing to talk about, and it's got intrigue, and it's not really political, except for, we should also say Ron Wyden has a whole other front of this, which is about the finance, which I think ultimately could be more important. But I do think that this is being pushed. This isn't coming from the left. I mean, I think, or I should say center to the left. This isn't coming from Democrats. It isn't coming from the DSA. I think people are hopping on the bandwagon. We certainly are.

But I think part of this is a function of like, now it's time to discipline Trump because we got really what we want. We had the largest wealth transfer from a single piece of legislation in history. Nothing else in this administration is going to pay off the big money in the way that that did and so now it's just like Now it's time to discipline and sort of like trim his sails a little bit. And so this is getting more sort of like resonance You know nobody what the New York Times certainly doesn't, nor would the Wall Street

Journal. Like, we should focus on the gulags that are being built, or the scandal of the detention centers, or what they're doing to, you know, mothers and grandmothers. The cuts all over the government. Yes, and the cuts. No, they'll push this because this is the way that they can discipline Trump without having to get into the politics of things. I think you're right. I mean, I hadn't thought of it that way, but I think that makes sense. They're going to jump on that bandwagon.

The fact that the Wall Street Journal, I mean, you know, the Wall Street Journal just has a regular journalistic enterprise. It's not that bad. I mean, in the straight reporting that they do, it tends to be as good as anything. It's not that bad. I mean in the straight reporting that they do it tends to be as good as anything It's not it's not any worse. Anyway, the editorial page is a totally different story But this was surprising that they would to me that they would be the outlet that would publish that story from last night About the the letter you don't think so. Am I what, no, no. I just think you kind of sparked something, just a theory. Like they've been getting all the scoops and the New York Times has been getting

nothing. Maggie Haberman is reduced to going on CNN to give her extremely dry opinions about the Trump administration because I just find like her background, her parents were like PR fixers for the Trumps. And then she gets all these sources and gets hailed as the savior of journalism anyway. But she's not getting anything anymore because they're all vindictive and they don't trust the times. So the Wall Street Journal has been getting leaks from what it looked like Rubio about certain like stuff with Elon Musk and the fights. It sounded like Rubio or Besant talking to them. I could see Bongino being the guy behind this.

Or Besant. I mean, this could be, I mean, look, this could be a, you know, right now we've got a deadline looming in two or three weeks that I think most people who follow the economy think this is going to really could seriously derail the economy and also the firing of of Powell and and so there's a lot of incentive for people who are close to the Wall Street Journal, you know, who would have those relationships to, I don't know, trim Donald Trump's sails. And the other theory Sam and I were talking about before the show, just throwing this out there, I don't think Bongino and Cash Patel are the guys editing the Epstein video

in Adobe. Someone left 15 markers at the time that they cut as a door looked like it was going to be open near Epstein's cell. Take with that what you will. But Wired found that metadata that was left there as breadcrumbs or its incompetence or its breadcrumbs. It's one of the two. Well, and I had heard, you know, that, that obviously,

I mean, when I read that article in Wired, I'm going, you've got to be kidding me. You've got to be kidding me. I mean, this is so, nothing could spur conspiracy theories more than something like that. And yet there it is. And you would have thought

that if they really wanted to shut this down, that that would have been something they would have, you know, said, I want every, you know, get Elon in here and is, you know, top Doge boys. I want them to look at this before we put this out to make sure that everything's like the FBI forensics people know how to get data. I think they're pretty good. Yeah, I think they are too.

And if they want to, but not this time, No, for whatever reason, whatever, send it out there. It'll be fine. Nobody will look at that. Or maybe, I think Emma's point is they will look at it. Yes, exactly. If I'm the guy in the forensics department at the FBI, I know how to make it look like there's more here, whether there is or isn't. And who would have had access to the notebook that they are the birthday book that they gave to the Wall Street Journal to look at other than people who were doing that investigation that had access to that information.

And by the way, apparently, and I think this has been under reported, they sent in the quote investigation, they sent a bunch of FBI agents and various people in the DOJ, attorneys, to some off-site institution somewhere I guess in Virginia to look at all that stuff, to look at everything. They were all sitting there looking at the child porn and Jeffrey Epstein and all that stuff to look at everything till they were all sitting there looking at the child porn and Jeffrey Epstein and all that stuff And so who knows how many you know? I mean the pressure on the Department of Justice and FBI they put a guy in to run the FBI cash Patel

Who treated every who talked about the FBI like they were a bunch of criminals for years. Every FBI agent, in fact, I can't, somebody said, you know, they were complaining that, you know, we're going to find out if any FBI agent ever said anything derogatory about Donald Trump, they'll be fired. And some guy who worked at the FBI said, former FBI agent said, well, that means every single FBI agent is going to be fired because there's not one who hasn't been said derogatory things about Cash Patel and and Donald Trump because of the fact that they were blaming the FBI for years for everything. They treated them like garbage. So you know you put those guys on this story some you know it is not surprising that someone might leak that and of course you're absolutely right leaking it to the Wall Street Journal makes perfect sense.

There are huge incentives. And some of these people might be right-wingers too. I mean, I would assume, well, you have to assume they have to be, right? I mean, who are the liberals in the FBI? They didn't exist in the first place and in the administration itself, in the White House. I mean, there might be, in the first administration, there were plenty who were leaking all over the place. And as you say, they're leaking to right-wing organizations, not to mainstream New York Times or Washington Post. So there's a lot going on there. And I think you're so right, Sam, about this idea that the Jay Powell thing, I think that

absolutely sent shockwaves. Because Trump is acting out of control. Right? I mean, he is just so drunk with power or kind of losing his mind a little bit or some combination that I think they're afraid that he could fire Powell on a whim. Just wake up in the morning. Just do it. Yeah. And just crash the market and just do it.

The tariff thing, I think, you know, something like the thing that he did with Brazil, right? Putting a 50% tariff on Brazil over his buddy Bolsonaro, which makes no economic, I mean, even in his twisted economic logic, it makes no sense. This is just, I'm doing it because I can, because they're persecuting my buddy. That had to start worrying some of the money people. They've got their tax cuts, so you know, they're fine. And now they've got to start looking at the big picture. What's happening, you know, what is going to happen to the global economy if this guy really is

so drunk with power that he's doing things like that? And then he said, and he went to the Republicans, and this is, this did happen this week, with a piece of paper in which he said that this was the firing memo of J-Powell, and he showed it to the Republicans in Congress. And he said, you know, should I do it or not? And he showed that, and they all were suddenly telling everybody. They went out, the market went boom, it sunk like a stone. And then he was asked about it in the meeting at the cabinet with whoever he were in the meeting in the White House. And he said, Oh, no, I don't think we'll be doing that. And the market went back up. Okay, clearly, he's that is in I don't know if he

was testing anything, but I don't think he was, I think he was thinking about it, he wanted to do it. And they told him the market just sank, and he decided to go back up. But that's what they're worried about. That is what they are worried about. They want to put Kevin Hassett or somebody like I wouldn't be surprised if he names Peter Navarro to run that, you know, to run the Fed. And that's just that's death to the global economy. If that happens or Ron, what is it?

Matt was just making that joke off my. Ron Vare. Not Darren is going that joke off mic. Ron Varen. Ron Varen. Ron Varen is going to be new. Yeah. Navarro will still be at the White House advising, but Ron Varen will be the head of the Fed. I wouldn't be surprised. I mean, he's that inconsistent, what's the word I'm looking for? He's nuts.

I guess that's the word I'm looking for. So yeah. We had a lot more that we want to talk about. But let me just talk about it more sort of like more broadly, you have a great piece on the the cuts to bio medical research, I mean, that are going to both like, inhibit the development of of new medicines, new treatments. It's also going to drive a lot of scientists out of the country. It's already happening, frankly, at this point. Like, we're gonna be subject to a brain drain. It's also going to drive a

bunch of, like, capital that would invest in these things out of the country into different countries? I mean on and on. We had the envy of the world. Our biomedical research institutions were the envy of the world. There was a lot of money put into it and went through universities. Much of that is being dried up because of the, you know, I don't know, Trump's agenda to get rid of DEI, and in the midst of it, he's getting rid of cancer research for some reason. Then what they're doing at the National-

Do black people get cancer? Yes. So let's get rid of it. Yeah, exactly. We don't need to talk about that. The NIH, you had Bobby Kennedy and Dr. Oz and Dr. McCarey, the head of the new FDA, coming out and saying ridiculous things all week about how it's our patriotic duty to stay healthy and we

shouldn't eat carrot cake. Literally, that's what Dr. Oz said. People have to stop eating carrot cake and eat healthy, eat real food, he said. The patriotic duty to remain healthy, honestly, like I start hearing Uber-Ales playing in the background, and that kind of talk starts happening. Me too. It's also what Michelle Obama said, and they called her a communist or whatever. And all she wanted was to have... It's our patriotic duty. That's the thing. That's the weird part about it. And if you don't stay healthy, that means you're not a patriot, right? So if you get sick, you could trade the country.

That's like the baby steps towards eugenics. I mean, that's absolutely. And that's it. And Donald Trump is definitely, he's a eugenicist for sure. Apparently Bobby Kennedy is too. And this group is, you know, this is what they're pushing now is this idea. You need to stay healthy and you know, this is what they're pushing now, is this idea, you need to stay healthy. And, you know, you need to go to work. If you want to get healthcare, you better work for it.

You don't deserve it if you're not contributing something. You know, this whole idea is very terrifying. And meanwhile, they are cutting all of this research. The National Institute of Health is going to cut like 40% of its budget. And there are all these studies. Now, the one that I concentrated in my piece is the one that just absolutely makes my skin crawl. The mRNA platform that has been developed, it's been developed over the last 20 years or so, a couple of decades. And it just happened to have been really coming online when

COVID hit and of course they immediately they were ready to develop those vaccines, which saved a ton of lives all over the world. Millions and millions of lives were saved. That would have died if they hadn't had the vaccines. They may have gotten COVID, they may have gotten sick, but they didn't die, they didn't go to the hospital. Okay, miracle, right? Happened just overnight.

Even Donald Trump was the guy who signed the paper. They put the pen in his hand and he signed it to do the warp speed, you know, program. Well, mRNA is one of, it is a potential game-changer in medicine. It's a vaccine that they are looking at, this this platform that is curing, they really believe that it has the potential to cure a huge number of diseases. Cancer among them, they've done a study recently about pancreatic cancer, one of the most deadly cancer I would say, because it's not discovered usually until it's too late. It has the potential to cure, they cured a number of people of pancreatic cancer with this. Okay, we're still in the

early stages, but they're talking about it for heart disease. I know some people working on this type of, specifically on mRNA technology. They've been doing this obviously for 10 years, I think, or so or more in terms of cancer. Yeah. I mean, and in terms of Alzheimer's, in terms of heart disease. It is a potential, you know, huge, it could be, you know, the discovery of the century. It is that, you know, big of a possibility of doing this. Now, I don't know anybody in America who doesn't have, you know, as Joni Ernst said, we're all going to die, right? And many of us are going to get sick with these diseases. And many of us have family members who have, who already are.

Many of us have it and are dealing with it. You want a kitchen table issue, America? Here's a kitchen table issue. If you get sick and they've got a potential cure out there that these scientists have been working on and they are very close to finding all kinds of breakthroughs on this, they are canceling the mRNA contracts, the NIHs. They are canceling the research that's

going to these universities. They are basically ending this as something that the government is going to support. And why are they doing it? Because of these stupid conspiracy theories about mRNA because of the vaccines. That is nothing but a deep, you know, rabbit hole that a bunch of stupid people went down

and they are benefiting from it politically. And as a result, they're canceling it. They put a bunch of cranks in. There's Guy Macari, Bhattacharya, who's at the NIH. You've got Oz, you've got R FK Jr. They are all right-wing extremist cranks outside of the of the mainstream of medical science and I'm not saying that medical science you know that or love big pharma or any of the rest of it and we all know that all of that stuff

has to be carefully watched and policed and there's too much profit motive on and on and on But come on. I mean these are people who are Absolutely, and it's it's just devastating for me. I mean every time I read about this So I wrote a piece about it this week. I hope people continue to talk about this I mean the Democrats they they want the kitchen table issues This is one and they should be talking about it. People care about cancer research. They really do.

This is a voting issue. The thing is too, is that aside from the electoral power that it has, this is not something that's going to come back. No. Like, you know, like if you, we just got an IM saying that, you know, from somebody who's at the Max Planck, I think it was Max Planck Institute in Germany, the number of American researchers applying for positions has skyrocketed.

You I would if I was of research director. Of course. And again, the researchers are going to go, the capital is going to go. And what, like, you would need your head checked at the end of the Trump administration. Let's just say like Trump administration ends, AOC and Bernie, you know, and Zoran Mamdani get, you know, a co-presidency. You're still one of those entities, one of those researchers, and you're like, I'm not going back there. No. I'm going to need like, eight, 12, 16, 20 years before I trust America again. You're going to have to fix your shit before I come back.

Yeah. That's it. And then maybe I I'll come it needs to be fixed long term I'm not moving back and forth here. I've set up a life, you know, the the money's here. You've developed relationships I mean, this is stuff that is not gonna come back and I mean, I I feel the same way about the Department of Education I don't know how you fix this stuff because they they're starting cuts right now. They're worried about September. You can't just like turn these programs back on. You can't turn on the faucet of people who work with kids with special needs or these after school programs. I mean, these is the these are long term, sort of scars this country is going to have. Absolutely. It's generational. It really is generational. And that's saying

nothing about Medicaid cuts, which are also eugenicists. Yeah, of course. And USAID, the the amount of death and destruction that is caused by that. And by the way, just to put a to put a, you know, punctuate this a little bit. They did both all of these things on the big, beautiful bill. And then they came in last night, they did the rescission on the USAID money and of course NPR and PBS too. But the USAID money, $9 billion, Every Republican saved for a tiny handful, two in the Senate and I think when it was three in the House, voted for that rescission to kill USAID. Basically,

that's it, the $9 billion gone. They saved PEPFAR for now, but they're going to go after it again. They saved it, but all the rest of that money for starving kids in Africa and et cetera, et cetera. This is going to result in, they've done a study in the Landsat that said that 14 million people are going to die in the next five years because of these cuts. 4.5 million of them are children under five. There is blood on the hands of every one of those Republicans and for all the bad that Democrats do, and I will say it maybe it's just a sign of how extreme these Republicans are, not one Democrat voted for it, and there will say, maybe it's just a sign of how extreme these Republicans are. Not one Democrat voted for it.

And there are plenty of centrists out there who want to vote for something bipartisan if they can. And they did with the Genius Bill. They did not vote for it. The Republicans own it. It is them. They are the ones who killed those people. I'm sorry.

They killed them. They are mass murderers in taking this money. Meanwhile, they're spending money on gold sconces in the Oval Office and protecting Mar-a-Lago and putting a garden of wing nuts in the White House. Hundreds of billions of dollars on detention centers and immigration agencies. Yes, and building concentration camps. I mean, so this is the priority. This is the Republicans. This is what they've done. It is not Donald Trump. Donald Trump didn't vote last night. This was the Republican Party on Mars, all of them voted for it. So I'm sorry, you know, this they should never be able to forget it and all these people who are going to die of cancer because we

didn't, you know, we stopped the studies right halfway, you know, three quarters the way full through because they didn't want to pay for the money for it. Because some, you know, Chaya, Radchik or whatever, Libs of TikTok didn't like it. I mean, this is the kind of stuff. And as you say, this is not going to be easy to ever to ever put back in place. I don't know if it ever will. I don't I don't know that it's possible to rebuild that. This is decades upon decades the entire post-war Second half of the 20th century. They are basically throwing in the toilet and flushing it and so we're just gonna have to

You know, I mean, you know like you know Emma mentioned the the Medicaid cuts. Yeah Medicaid, you know, we saw you can expand it with Obamacare. Not easy to do. But it can be done because the infrastructure remains. These are things where we're going to lose the infrastructure for these things, where you can't just sort of like expand it. It's fundamentally sort of like different relationship to... Yeah, it's incredibly depressing.

Well, Dr. Oz is in charge and he says just don't eat carrot cake and it'll be fine. Just stay healthy for America. Such a weird thing to choose to. Such a crude comment. Well, carrot cake isn't real food. I mean, who said that? Well, it was on the screen. I think they had some sort of carrot cake isn't real food. I mean, who said that? I mean, it's totally his naming. Well, it was on the screen. I think they had some sort of carrot cake there in the studio. Okay, okay. I mean, that makes a little more sense.

I thought, why pick that? You know, Twinkies, I can understand somebody saying, but you know, like, don't eat... I mean, as desserts go, carrot cake is pretty healthy, you know? Lay off that tiramisu. Right. This is how rich people talk about healthcare. know, carrot cake is pretty healthy, you know, lay off that, uh, lay off that tiramisu. Right. This is how rich people talk about healthcare. They talk about it in the way that they engage with it.

And RFK Jr. is the same way where it's like this bespoke like choice and it's, it's libertarianism and they have no answer for healthcare affordability because they don't even consider anything being unaffordable. They're just like, okay, I'm going to have my second homeopathic doctor prescribe this for me or whatever. Exactly. Like have a little organic orange juice that's going to solve you get cancer. Take some cod liver oil that works this great.

Dig me one last question. I am less inclined to believe that, frankly, the Republicans care about those 14 million people who are projected. I don't even know that they care about the people largely who are going to die from cancer. I mean, one of the things that like COVID sort of exposed was sort of like this nihilism and like, okay, million people, they're sick. I mean, there's a eugenic, like there's a, you know, this, but where are Democrats and like what their ability to message this stuff? I mean, the polling for Democrats is just absolutely just awful. And the Jeffries, Schumer, the messaging has just been anemic. They haven't done anything. It's all been messaging. They didn't block any bills. They could have slowed the rescission

down. They would have been a procedural thing and it would have been slow. They could have made it more difficult. But I mean, lawmakers are human too. And if you make things more and more difficult, people remember Fetterman whining like, I want to go home and go to July 4th celebration with my family. I mean, there's a lot of that on the Republican side as well. And I just, I don't see them doing anything. They just keep saying, hypothetically, people are going to be upset about these Medicaid cuts. Well, yeah, that's happening in 2027.

It's all like, well, people are going to be upset about these hypothetical things. We're going to see the ACA, we're going to see the insurance premiums go skyrocketing at least 15% over the next year. They should be messaging these things that are actually going to be felt short term. They should be out there saying from the beginning, this bill is just nothing but a rollback of the ACA. They're going to try and destroy the Obamacare. They didn't do any of this stuff. nothing but a rollback of the ACA. They're gonna try and destroy the Obamacare.

They didn't do any of this stuff. You know, I just don't know. I don't, you know, I feel like, I mean, I'm, I mean, part of me says, you know, this is, it's very tough environment to actually be able to penetrate with anything, but then you don't really see much effort to do that. So that remains a big question

mark. Are they just not, do they just don't have any ideas? Is that what it is? They don't have, they don't know how to do these things or is it that they're just waiting? I mean sometimes I think they're just waiting for the James Carville thing, you know, just let them, let them shoot themselves in the foot over there and that's all you need and I'm not sure it is. One of the things I saw Nancy Pelosi yesterday, they were talking about the Epstein thing and you know, Trump being upset. And she goes and said, it's all a distraction. You know, it's just a distraction from the kitchen table issues. We have to talk about the kitchen table. It's just a yeah, just a distraction. I'm just sitting there going. And I mean, again, is the gen part of the generational problem, right?

I mean Nancy Pelosi's inner eighties they I think maybe some of it is is that they have not yet grasped That we are in a new political world They don't they don't they can't seem to understand that the rules that we have lived that they lived by for decades I lived through it too that that just is not the way that it works anymore there needs to be creativity and you see something well you say mom Donnie is a good example I mean he's gonna face some real I mean I I'm just it hurts my heart to think about what he's gonna be faced with with what they're gonna throw at him but what you do see from him is something that I don't see anywhere else in the Democratic Party, which is this kind of, I don't know,

hopeful, joyfulness kind of thing. It's an attitude that is so much of a contrast between all the ugliness that you can't help when you look at it, you're kind of drawn into it, just it's like a balm balm a breath of fresh air that's to me creative vision for the country which uh when we're talking about what jeff reese and schumer are doing they seem to be spending more amount and more time and energy eschewing him and his movement uh and his overwhelming grassroots victory i think it's fine you know i mean i think it's fine to go after Trump. Some people are really good at it. Let them do that.

They're going after Mom Donnie. That's what I mean. Yeah, right. OK, well, going after Mom Donnie is like, what are they talking about? I mean, whatever. I mean, obviously, I think he's great. And I enjoy watching his videos.

I look at that. It's almost like, you know, I sometimes because I have to bleach my brain because of so much horrible stuff that I have to read and look at every day that I watch animal videos, right? I'll watch some cat videos or something. He's kind of like that for me. I will go and watch a Mom Donnie video and go, oh, I feel, you know, well, I mean, people need that. think that that's that that's something that's creative. That's something different It's also That is the style in which he maintains strength and fights Aside from like, you know Jeffries and Schumer's sort of like crappy aesthetics, they're not

doing anything. They are literally just waiting. They are just waiting for Trump to implode. And I'm sorry, that just doesn't cut it. It's just so frustrating. They're also compromised. I mean, we should just be like they are corrupted in a way that Mamdani is not or AOC is not or other members of the squad where they can go after Trump and not piss off their donors. And that is part of

the problem here is they're incapable of standing up for the moment as leaders. You are an anti-Semite. You're right, I'm sorry. It's no Kings, Emma. Shut up about all of that. Right. I don't know why you would say that, but you're... The Bailey's disagree. I respectfully submit. So...

Oh, God, yeah. Well, Heather, always a pleasure. We will link, of course, to your salon.com pieces and the Uber blog, Hall of the Louvre. I appreciate it. Thank you very much. Thanks so much, Digby. Have a great weekend, guys. You too.

All right, folks. Should we just, do we need to take a break? Yeah, we'll need to break. We'll take a break and reframe, literally reframe. And when we come back, Francesca Fiorentini will be here from the bituation room. And we'll be right back after this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Oh, there's like a few talking points that I have. Wonderful pals, may every day be another... What is it? Wonderful secret. You know, enigmas never age. Are you still talking about Jeffrey Epstein? Someone wrote in to us and said, I didn't realize this, Mountain West leftist, those engaged in illegality frequently use coded language, think of all the words for drugs.

Enigma just so happens to be an anagram for gamine, which means girl, I can't speak French, which means girl or young woman in French. I don't I mean, do we need to do this kind of thing to know? You mean the other age? Have you noticed that? Of course, I know French. I'm still on the fence. I need more. You need more information. It needs something else. Yeah. My God. Beautiful time.

It's been a while since I've, you know, joined you guys last time. Things went really bad for this country. So I hope they stay at the equal amount of awful. I'm talking about, of course, in Brooklyn on that fateful night. Wait, that was not the last time you've been on. It was. What? No, that's not true. Pretty sure. No, no, that is not true.

Okay. All right. All right. It's getting very hot. It's getting very hot. That was in person. And, uh, I mean, God having to keep it together on stage as just like Kamala. It was immediately apparent she was losing within like the first hour. First results that came out were like, oh, she's down everywhere.

She needs to be doing well. And, and Trump is roaring. Yeah. I needs to be doing well. And Trump is roaring. Yeah. I hope this turns around at some point in the night. Oh, man. No, I guess I'm feeling no, because the early stage, get there, or the red states get their ballots earlier or something. It's the same day voters, the same day voters, guys. And then we were going back and we went back and now we're in the sunken place and desperately trying to get out of it. I'm actually going to be back in Brooklyn on October 13th. You guys should come. I'm also going to be in Seattle on August 1st and 2nd. Matt Lieb and I will be there.

So I hope everybody gets tickets and comes to see me. Oh, you're going to be at the Rainier Mountain? Do they still call them Mount Rainier or did Trump change the name of that place, too? No, I think that's the colonial name. I think I'm not reading here I think now Rainier is the colonial name if I'm not mistaken So that stays yes Rainier Art Center on August 2nd 8 p.m. I Joma Oluo awesome author Talked a lot about Palestine. We're gonna talk to her and it'll be a good time, so come and then Friday at Laughs Comedy,

so that'll be tight. Live entertainment is getting crushed by the economy. All like this is, I know we're gonna talk a little bit about CBS, but it's crazy because LA obviously now is being terrorized by DHS thugs everywhere, saving us from the scourge of delicious street tacos. But you know, we're suffering like entertainers are suffering because like the pandemic fucked

us the the strikes fucked us. Sorry, I'm real f bombs up top. And then and then with Trump coming back into office, it's like people don't want to spend money. They're tightening their belts. They don't want to go out. And so the thing that a lot of folks were like, well, look, if the industry's messed up, there's no writing jobs. I'm going to go back on the road. I'm going to stand up again. I'm going to do this and that. And now people are just not buying tickets as much. So it's a rough time, but we're going to have so much fun in Seattle. So come through. Well, if I was anywhere remotely close, I would say probably Colorado,

just like, you know, Colorado, probably I would be heading to Seattle to see you guys. That sounds like a good show. Oh, yeah. Maybe as far south as like, California. Oh yeah. Southern California, San Diego, as like California. Oh, yeah. Southern California. San Diego. I would say something like that.

So we will put a link to that show on Saturday. Oh, so it's in two weeks. OK. Let's talk about the CBS thing. Do we have a clip of this? Do we have a clip of Colbert announcing or anything like that? No. I can find one real quick. No, that's all right. So Colbert announces, he announces, I guess it was what, he does Thursday taping. He might do that like Thursday tapes for Friday type of thing. And he announced that the show was getting cancelled in like what the spring of 26? Yeah, May 2026 will be I guess his last show. So they've got around

10, 11 months left. What what's your take on this? I mean, it is the most viewed late night show by twice almost of any of its rivals. I don't know the sort of like metrics of this, but it seems a little bit suspiciously timed with Paramount's attempt to, I think it's a merger or a purchase, getting purchased by Skyview Television, or media, I should say. And Redstone wants to make billions of dollars and this is like a bone. They just paid $16 million to Trump over that lawsuit that was also seems to be like just a tribute more than anything else. He wanted like 90 billion or something insane. But yeah, it's hard not to think that this is related to their overall acquiescence to

Donald Trump. Even though it sounds kind of corny and libed up to say that, either way, no matter how you slice it, whether this was a financial decision or whether it was a political one, I mean, can't both be true? And both are depressing as hell. My first reaction was, yo, you just took out

the king of late night in a time when late night shows are struggling. Everyone screwed. Like, what does this mean for all other late night hosts, the writers, the people who work on staff, the 200 people who work with Colbert and on and on and on and sort of as I call like the downward pressure of entertainment, you know, Colbert is gonna start a podcast. It's like, I've got a podcast. These are the kinds of things where, you know, people who are trying to rise or climb are like, you know, be a writer or, you know, one day. I mean, look, you've got Taylor Tomlinson, who actually left her own late night show at midnight because she wanted to focus on stand-up. And it was kind of like, oh, they were renewed for another season, but then she wanted to go focus on stand-up and you're like, that's great, that's great. But if you're taking out, oh, they were renewed for another season. But then she wanted to go focus on stand up. And you're like, that's great. That's great.

But if you're taking out, again, the premier late night host, it really does not bode well for an industry that's already struggling and just under the boot of, yes, mergers and private equity and all this. The fact that Stephen Colbert did his monologue about that merger and pulled no punches and about the $16 million payout to Trump, what, three days before?

Yeah. It just looks terrible. And so it's either either they had always planned it. I've seen some reporting. Look, they're losing 40 million a year, which is like you lose 40 million a year on nothing. Like, come on now, we're losing 40 million a year. But either way, the optics are such that it does look like it was politically motivated.

And I don't care if people think that Colbert was like orange man bad comedy. He is an excellent host. He's an excellent entertainer and he did great there. So yeah, it's a shame. I mean, Jimmy Fallon's still over at NBC And I don't know if he's like been relevant to the discourse in like six or seven years. Like I didn't like how Colbert Colbert handed that Colbert handled that interview with Zoran. Right. But for the most part, his politics,

I know your theory on it, Sam is like giving him an opportunity to address it. No violence against Jews. Are you sure? No violence? It still is lingering to the point where Zoran had to apologize, I felt for him, because it was so insane yesterday. But the 60 Minutes thing is also a part of this picture. I feel like that's another story that we memory hold.

That was basically the long time, I don't know, editor or producer or whatever at the top of 60 Minutes basically was forced out because of pressure from the top to edit their and censor their coverage of Donald Trump, the president. Why would we be shocked that they would say like, eh, Colberry's critical of him, and it's expensive to employ all these writers and to do this show, just kill it. Yeah.

And it's, you remember that like cancel culture, you know, I'm not sure if it started before this. I know it was more like kind of just like, turn a phrase or whatnot. And maybe it was like like kind of just like a turn of phrase or whatnot. And maybe it was like, you know, I don't know where like where exactly we said something's canceled that came from. But initially in 2016, when Trump became president and Colbert came out swinging against him, the right freaked out and they wanted to cancel Colbert. You remember that? It was canceled, canceled, canceled. And since then, they've been obsessed

with other people being canceled because of things they've said and free speech and all this. So there is again, this little like lib inside of me that's very sad that like Trump won out and he's openly gloating now about, you know, winning out. And what's interesting is they weren't even like, we're gonna replace him with a half drunk guy like Fallon. You know what I'm saying?

We're gonna replace him with like a no talent ass like Fallon who's never gonna I'm saying? We're going to replace him with like a no-tallon ass like Fallon who's never going to like punch up ever. Sorry. But like, no, they're going to completely get rid of the entire show altogether. Well, I think he's full drunk, by the way. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, you gotta be. Don't be rude. I mean, I think you're right. I think both things can be true here. It's a twofer, I think, for Paramount and Skyview.

It is to grease the regulatory wheels or to make sure that there's no friction. It really is just a tribute to Trump. But I also think, look, you know, the writer's strike became the, and the actor's strike became a vehicle for these massive companies who spent billions with a B on these streaming services only to find like, oh, wait, what? Maybe we need to bring back commercials, like to go back to essentially find out that like, we're just going to do TV now. Exactly. What about channels? Whatever's on is on. What? And it is a twofer for them. It is a way for them to sort of like downsize. You know, if the idea is that CBS and Paramount is going to become more a streaming service,

you know, the idea of live stuff doesn't have the same sort of like a lure as it used to have in some ways. And like, you know, having a, you know, this sense of a daily show is not necessarily the same, you know, the habits are changing. It's just not worth the amount of money for them to spend on it. But it is pretty nuts. And CBS, we should say, has a record of this. They canceled the Smothers Brothers because Nixon was mad that they were making fun of

them and talking about the Vietnam War. And so the Smothers Brothers actually got canceled directly because of political interference. But who knows? Who knows if there isn't a lawyer going around like, you know, one of the guys at the FCC said, maybe if you get rid of somebody who's critical of Trump, though, it will be much easier for you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I agree with you. And this is the, again, it's like people are like, I didn't really like Colbert.

That's fine. But it is a form of censorship. And I also think the other thing is like the late night monologue, right? Responding to daily news, da da da da. People are like on their phones getting meme jokes. And like, so even streaming as like someone who likes topical humor,

I hate monologue jokes have their limits, let's be real. But like even that I think is a hard, it's just a harder sell. It's a it's a different beast. Anyway, it's all it's all pretty depressing out here in LA. Oh, yeah. I mean, they film over there. But you know, I'm saying Ryan likes Gutfeld anyways, huge Gutfeld guy. King of late. He's crushing it. You you look into getting a job with Gutfeld before the majority reporter, Brian? Because I feel like.

Why do you think I'm here? I don't know. Take it into that. It's too prestigious. Brian tried, but then they were just like, sorry, door is shut for you. We do have a quick clip of the kind of humor they're doing over there. I mean, this is the five but this is got filled brand. So this is daytime. So the less edgy stuff.

Yeah, the less offensive stuff like this. This is like this is when he's working should workshop and stuff, right? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. This is why the criticism doesn't matter to us when you call us Nazis not see this and not see that you know, I'm beginning to think they you call us Nazis. Nazis is Nazi that, you know, I'm beginning to think they don't like us.

You know what? I've said this before, we need to learn from the blacks, the way they were able to remove the power from the N-word by using it. So from now on it's, what up my Nazi? Hey, what up my Nazi? Hey, what's hanging my Nazi? Nazi please. Hey, what up my Nazi? Hey, what's hanging my Nazi? Nazi, please

Thank God Kennedy from three Okay, so Nazi is like a way to describe a political movement and ideology. It's not a racial slur It's not a racial slur. Well, we're re-appropriating it and making it into something that is not as a powerful and reminiscent of a time of injustice. The thing is that they just want to say the N-word. So this is the question.

And by virtue of just wanting to say the N word and feeling so upset that they are not allowed to say the N word That in their mind is like well, I'm just gonna go full Nazi So it's very it's even more fitting than we thought and you know Trump loves saying the N word, right? He like the N word nuclear Loves to do the N word joke. Gutfeld just did a version of that where he said the blacks, because they're edging. They want to get right up to it, because in private they say this kind of stuff, right? Remember that quote from the Wall Street worker who anonymously, of course, gave after Trump's victory saying, we get to say the R word again, because now they get to say the R word and they're like, what's next?

What can we get to say next? The market's crashing. That's so R. Yeah. The attempt at comedy is the most offensive part of that video though. Right? Well, where he says we asked to say like, you know, a couple of times and then Kennedy he's bombs and then Kennedy's but he bombs and then Kennedy comes in to save him. Because it's so striking.

I watched that clip multiple times and I think every time I draw is on the floor because they're openly just saying, why don't we normalize calling one another Nazis? I mean, every joke has a shred of truth. That's what makes it funny. And that's what he's effectively saying. So the one guy's like, Oh God, I don't know who they are. I'm trying to figure out the construction of this. funny and that's what he's effectively saying. So the one guy's like, oh god, I don't know who they are. But I'm trying to figure out the construction of this. They call us Nazis. They call us fascists,

right? And that is a pejorative term, I guess, in their mind that is just sort of like brought out to make fascists less than the rest of us. And we're going to reappropriate that term so that we can liberate ourselves as Nazis and feel some pride in being fascists. Well, we made them do it. I mean we the left really needs to stop calling Nazis Nazis because that's why they're doing Nazi stuff. I think some of the wisest voices have said. Look what you made us do. We wouldn't have been Nazis if you didn't call us Nazis. Yeahuh. Yeah, I wasn't going to say Kyle twice on stage and then you called me a Nazi. I thought, though, that comedy was legal again.

I don't understand what happened to that. But since we're talking about sort of a term that was used to denigrate and other the blacks so that they could be more easily enslaved. Let's check out Tim Poole for a moment while you're here, Francesca. Tim the other day pinpointed what the problem with liberals are is. And the big one is, of course, they don't understand what slavery is. I've gone to foreign, I've gone to, I'll just keep it kind of private because the people who are at this restaurant might know,

but it was a non-American style of food and their employees appeared to be indentured servants. And they got very mad when I pointed something like this out. That's legal. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,

wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait The boyish. Wait, are the boys the servants? The Sushi with the Boys. Don't we have the picture of the pool table?

I mean the poker table? Oh yeah. We gotta bring that up. The Sushi with the Boys is blocked. Are there a bunch of dogs playing around it? No it's actually, they have a Sushi with the Boys poker table at Tim Pool's place. So it's not, I mean, it's not the same table. Oh, this whole time.

They've been eating sushi off the poker table. I'm sure she has the chips. But I like how he said like they indentured servants. How do you what makes someone appear to be an indentured servant? Oh, you know, Asian. Yeah. Yeah. you, what makes someone appear to be an indentured servant? Oh you know Sam. They look Asian. Yeah. Oh okay. Yeah. Oh got it. Of course. Good. I've gone to foreign, I've gone to, I'll just keep it kind of private because... Petering? The people who are at this restaurant might know, but it was a non-American style of food and their employees appeared to be indentured servants and they got very mad when I pointed something like this out. What did you say? That's legal. You're allowed to do that. Like if you live in say like China and you're like I want passage in the United States. Okay we're gonna have you work a

debt off for us. We don't do that in the United States. The issue is that children cannot enter into these contracts children cannot agree to be smuggled that's trafficking children who are on a farm doing labor illegally in this country for a second there also I don't allow you hold on I mean just in case for any of our foreign restaurateurs listening even if they're adults you can't you cannot traffic them in this country. You can't like but if if they're your aunt or mom, it's always like a grandma peeling a bunch of fava beans in the corner and you're like she's been at it for a long

time. That's not indentured servitude though. That's just love of the game. But I will say it's not clear that he's in the United States. I went to foreign dot dot dot. What? I don't want to name the cuisine. I think he's talking about the Japanese restaurant that he frequents all the time and took Kanye to and asks and talks about it a lot in West Virginia where he's from. Like because if he said like like yeah, it was a Japanese or a Chinese restaurant or whatever it would pretty be there There's only a few 50 mile radius where he's at All right, but go back good

Legal you're allowed to do that. Like if you live in say like China and you're like, I want passage it It's okay. We're gonna we're gonna have you work a dead off for us We don't do that in the United States. The issue is that children cannot enter into these contracts. Children cannot agree to be smuggled. That's trafficking children who are on a farm doing labor illegally in this country. They're kids aren't allowed to work on farms like this to the degree that

they're having these people. This is that that would then be upgraded from an agenturgent to slavery because they don't have a choice. And so here we are. The question is, you know what I think it is? I think it's because the American liberal thinks slavery is a black man in a field being beaten. Yes. They don't realize that slavery affected every level of American society from grocery stores

to governments to building uh... building houses in the mind of the liberal when you talk about the way they manage to get a father for a second it's possible there were a grocery stores uh... in the late eighteen hundred probably more like a general store the idea that liberals are not aware that slaves weren't just in the field. Thomas Jefferson had slaves on his plantation doing everything from building stuff to, you know, blacksmithing, to baking. He brought his slave to France to learn French cuisine. I mean, for God sakes.

Tim Pool's perspective on what other people know is a projection of things that he just didn't realize until he was in his early 30s. What's the conclusion? I'm waiting for the conclusion and I'm excited for it, but I also don't understand, like, I still haven't heard slavery bad come out of his mouth. Oh, please. Like, they don't understand that actually, you know, when you're making some delicious Japanese food within a 50 mile radius of my home, it's not, it's not slavery.

Like I'm not quite sure what he's saying. I love the idea that the place that he frequents all the time was like not happy that he was like, Hey, you got slaves here. Oh, they're slaves. Anyway, it's pretty good. Yellowtail. Like, I don't like what they were mad. Let's put it up.

Keep going. Yes. They don't realize that slavery affected every level of American society from grocery stores to governments, to, to, uh, building houses in the mind of the liberal, when you talk about slavery, they imagine it's a guy in a field. But there were people who worked a blacksmith and he had slaves and the slave would make horse shoes. Nobody was hitting him. But that was not his choice. He did not want to be there and they were enslaved. Wait, so nobody was hitting him

If that guy tried to leave He would be beaten there were also things called house slaves where there were often, you know women who's Didn't they didn't they weren't supposed to be beaten because it was better for the master to rape them when she didn't have, you know, welts all over her face or body or things like that. But I don't know any liberal that has not, that has said that slavery was just confined to the field. Liberals, yeah, liberals know that the people making the say the barrels, like Coopers,

in other words, those were also black people in Virginia, like Smith's like, yeah, this is what he's trying to make this is him finding this stuff out very recently. And then projecting it on like nobody, no liberal ever told me before that they were in the fields. And so I just assumed they don't know this. It's kind of the DeSantis-y. Remember when DeSantis is like, oh, slavery, actually, they learned a bunch of great skills underneath that. Well, like I said, Jefferson brought one of his slaves to France when he was there for a year or two to learn French cuisine and bring it back. Yeah, I mean, the amount of labor violations for child laborers, by the way, has been dramatically increasing over the past few years. And you have governors in red states like Sarah Huckabee Sanders

rolling back paperwork requirements for employers when they use child labor because it's quite obvious that they're using children who are undocumented and they don't want to have a record of that. So if he was so concerned about things that resemble indentured servitude in this country, perhaps he would address it. But the caption of this video from Tim Cass, just this bottom thing makes me think that, can we put that up? The American liberal doesn't view illegal immigrant children forced to work on farms as slavery because they don't understand what slavery truly is.

And the liberal media refuses to report on it. Just how they frame it. So the question is, are you essentially saying that these ICE raids are liberating these kids? That is exactly what he is saying. So, so that's the implication. Well, ask them, ask them if that's the case. What the like, what he's trying to say is this is for their own good, our brutalization of them. If he was interested in addressing labor exploitation, join all of the left in talking about raising the minimum wage, in cracking down on companies that abuse children in this way, on allowing these people to become citizens

so that they can have full rights and protections and they can't be exploited by the legal gray area of immigration and national security by a government that's now throwing people into a concentration camp down in Florida and just basically black sites. In fact, that's the solution to slavery was to, oh, instead of, we're not gonna send these people to Liberia or wherever back to Africa, we're going to make them full citizens

and we're going to be citizens next to them with full equal rights. Right. Yeah. I mean, I think it's simpler than you guys are making out to be. I think he's basically just like slavery wasn't that bad because you didn't just work in the field. It's the Ronda Santas thing. It's the same old thing.

You know, they were taken care of. They were offered poker and sushi with the boys. That's what he thinks slavery was like. And also there's a little bit of an implication that like, that it wasn't just black people. Like I feel like he wants to sort of go there. Like he was eating at a restaurant and yet again, it's very like Asian coded that, you know, and it wasn't, you know, it wasn't just black people. That's, that's the vibe I'm getting. But yeah, I mean, here in LA people, you know, street vendors are just black people. That's the vibe I'm getting. But yeah, I mean, here in LA, people,

you know, street vendors are being swept up off the streets and their children are working their stands and carts for them. And it's just insane what is happening. Nannies are being disappeared. I'm on like mom groups, you know? Nannies are being disappeared from like nice neighborhoods, you know? People who can afford nannies are being disappeared from like nice neighborhoods, you know

people who can afford nannies and And their kids are being put in like the back of ice cars to wait. It's a it's a really wild time It's we're like in a very unprecedented Moment right now and continue to be it's gonna get only gonna get worse. Do we have more? Is there more on that? it's only going to get worse. Do we have more? Is there more on that? That's it, Matt says. But like on the part about him arguing that slavery, it might be a good thing,

I mean, or that it wasn't that bad, Francesca, that actually kind of, that might be logical based on what he's arguing in terms of like the construction of his argument. If he's saying it's a good thing for these ICE raids to happen because they're being liberated from, I don't know, the worst parts of slavery, the ones that work in the fields. But the reality is, is that immigration enforcement is a tool of bosses to keep these employees in check. And- Slave catchers.

Yeah. I was just going to say, I would love to see some footage of ICE raiding one of these job sites and walking out with the boss. That never happened. Yep. Well, Sam, I think that's a very harsh way to frame what we're trying to do in this country. Oh, God. Did you hear that she feels the obscene stuff is a distraction? Oh, absolutely. stuff is a distraction? Oh absolutely but anything to take the heat off of my

massive failures in in Texas are good. No Sam you're confusing Pelosi or Francesca's Pelosi and Kristi Noem. Oh I didn't get it. Kristi Noem Sam I think is much more sheer. You activated the nose a little bit more the nasal Every single muscle in your face must be activated As soon as we roll out new alligator Alcatraz's you're gonna see some some things you have never seen before and we're gonna go after podcasters indeed You're gonna be held at what we're calling in Montana a grouse Guantanamo and you don't want to be attacked by a grouse it's it's quite something else she tries she tried I

don't have enough makeup on. I apologize. What should we talk about here? We got a bunch of clips. So Don Jr., Matt just saw this, has weighed in on the Epstein stuff. He's defending his dad. My father has a very specific way of speaking. People all over the world have mimicked it for decades. The insanity written in the Wall Street Journal ain't it. I love that. Wow. This ain't it. And everyone knows it. Also in 47 years, I've never seen him doodle once. Give me a break with the fate journalism mean. Now,

that's kind of a sad thing to say when he says I've never seen him doodle once because it turns out he's a doodle machine. I love this. Oh my god. He loves doodling. He really loves doodling. That's amazing. Yes. And he loves to doodle the two things he knows, big building and women's tits. All you got to do is turn those skylines to the side and then all of a sudden he's got

basically his drawing of a woman's body. I mean, what the amazing thing is, is like if the argument is this is a fake, if it's so obvious what Donald Trump sounds like and it's a fake, why wouldn't they have made it more like, this is a big, beautiful card? I think, yeah, Don Jr. needed to be like, in 47 years, I haven't seen my father. That's I think the proper way to express what he's saying. It doesn't matter whether he's doodling or not. You just haven't really seen him much. But I just think it's so on brand and so funny.

And this is what's annoying about how comical Trump is. Because of course he would draw the New York fucking skyline so horribly, so third grade, learning how to like shade and do like draw cubes over and over and over again. It's so corny. Yeah, it's impossibly corny. And I just I like there. Why would you fake things like, OK, so in this article from the Wall Street Journal, they also have a

letter from Alan Dershowitz in it, where it had a mock-up. So clearly, Galen was saying, get creative, people. Dershowitz's letter included a mock-up of a Vanity Unfair magazine cover with mock headlines such as, who was Jack the Ripper? Was it Jeffrey Epstein? By the way, Jack the Ripper murdered sex workers. Wait, this is in 2003? He's making jokes like that?

Okay. He joked that he had convinced the magazine to change the focus of an article from Epstein to Bill Clinton. Dershowitz, who represented Epstein after his first arrest, said, it's been a long time and I don't recall the content of what I may have written. He kept his underwear on. But it was just a massage, and she was definitely 18. Yep.

Yep. I mean, what do you think of, like—I'm obsessing a little bit about the sloppiness of cover-up, and maybe other people don't care about it. But I think, like, this is a way to really hit at Trump's credibility. And I know it sounds insane because we know he's such a liar. Does this break some sort of trust with the new MAGA people? What's your assessment? Yeah, I think it absolutely does.

I mean, super anecdotal. I know someone whose mom is like stalwart MAGA and is having just a crisis of faith. I think there's a lot of crisis of faith. I mean, true believers like, you know, Democrats release weather bombs and, you know, cloud clustering or whatever, seating, whatever, like true believers in that stuff, obviously anti-vax. And of course, like, what I think they really should have nipped in the bud before, like someone should have brought the line down and said, okay,

you can be good on the anti-vax stuff, but don't make too big of a deal of the Epstein thing in case we win. Um, but they did, they, they really hung their hat on that. Um, and it is absolutely blowing up in his face. I think it will lead to broader mistrust. I mean, it's only the biggest sex trafficking crime maybe of our lifetime that mysteriously ended when he mysteriously committed suicide. And they were BFFs. They shared girlfriends. And again, this is the thing we don't talk about, but not really. But there have been women interviewed about this. Like a former Sports Illustrated model spoke to, I think it was CBS last year. And she was like, yeah, I was, I've seen his girlfriend

for like a couple months. And he introduced me to Donald Trump. And Donald Trump immediately started groping me and trying to kiss me. And it was really weird. And it felt like a game between the two of them. There was a beauty queen who came over from Scandinavia, I forgot where, same thing. She was like, and then Epstein after I met Trump really tried to set me up with like going to his Mar-a-Lot or his Palm Beach home and they were sending me all these these letters and that Trump really wants to meet me and it just skeeved me out, it weirded me out, so she like left it there. She went to the beauty pageant contest I think, you know, in Manhattan and then that was it.

That was all last year. Right. So there's just, it's endless. Right. Yeah. That's why I still think like the timing of this stuff, I mean, I guess Pam Bondi did that folder thing and I don't know what they thought they were doing with that. You know, that was I guess two or three months ago.

I don't know what they thought they were. I guess they just sort of the train car got away from them in some way. I think they thought they could get away with that stuff. I think Elon blowing up and saying this stuff will never come out because Trump's implicated in it. I think that's what sort of reset the dominoes fall in. Yeah It's interesting that Elon's defending him now and saying the leather is not real because it doesn't sound like him I mean, he's a dumb guy too, but um, you wonder why there's that flip there

Maybe he's walking back. Maybe there's like there's a there's a EV subsidy or something floating around out there that he's Yeah, I mean, I don't think Pam's going anywhere. So to your earlier conversation, I don't think they're getting rid of Bondi. Bondi knows way too much. Bondi is right-hand woman on all of this. She's Bongino and Patel's boss. They're not in on it at all. They have nothing to do with it. They're just being told. And yeah, he would never fire Bondi. And she's eating shit for him. She's eating shit. Like, it's his cover up.

And it's just amazing. Pam's gonna be, she's gonna be the new ambassador to Italy. That's gonna be the announcement. To the Caribbean. She's gonna be, you be given new Caribbean ambassador job. Seriously meet her demise. Exactly. Balls in their hands.

Um, Francesca, um, folks can see you, uh, most. I guess in the soonest in Seattle at the, uh, at the, uh, yeah. August 1st at laughs comedy, August 2nd at Rainier art center. Also be in Houston, Texas at the punchline on August 28th with Matt and then moving forward, October 13th in Brooklyn. Where do people get tickets in advance if they want? Is there a link? Francescafiorantini.com. Good luck with my name.

No, yeah, there's a QR code. You can also go to bit.lytbrseattle. Bit.lytbrseattle. Can't you do something like Fran F or something? Fran F? I don't know. Just a new website. FranF.com or something. FranF. I don't know, just his new website. Franf.com or something.

Franf.com? No, no. You've got a name as ridiculous as mine, as Italian as mine. You want everyone to spell it all out. All of it. Make them. All of them vowels. Make them.

And now that Luigi Mangione is, you know, it's like now everyone puts a little respect on my name. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's absolutely. All right. Well, we will put a link at majority.fm and in our podcast and YouTube description. Go see Francesca out in Seattle and among the other places you're touring around. Yes. And may every day be a wonderful secret, you guys. Always good to see you.

That is so sweet. All right. Thanks, Francesca. Thanks, Francesca. I guess it's a freebie Friday now, right? I guess so. Let's take a couple IMs. Franz Broceff.

Great to have Fran on the show. Tippy Tappy Toe. It's funny how years ago Trump and Epstein were competing to be America's biggest sex fiend, but now Trump is trying desperately to shed that reputation. Nolan from the Detroit suburbs. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if we think of slaves in the fields is because the biggest part of the southern economy was farming in those times. Yes, but you didn't know there were slaves other places, which I'm not sure what his

point was to that, but. I mean, he was as ever arguing at cross purposes. So he's arguing a little bit of this and also that indentured servitude is so bad because people don't understand Very confused, but he's just filling there, right? People don't understand that slavery existed in grocery stores and in car repair shops and in And I don't want ice to basically rip families apart that you're basically Jefferson Davis is kind of what he was trying to argue exactly Living Coder my father-in-law Republican doesn't care at all about the big the big beautiful bill

But is very focused on the Epstein stuff. Maybe this is to keep distracting their base. I mean, I Don't distract them from what? Like, I mean, the whole thing is, is all a distraction for them. Like, yeah, like that's all they operate in, but they, they're going to cut Medicaid and all this other stuff. That's the important thing. But I, I, I hope that Emma and Digby are right about like the influencers are going to get traction with the

Base and take down his support. I think that's possible, but I also think that stuff doesn't matter as much as Like the real Republicans. I remember I again like I talked to one of my relatives and she was very sort of wanting to impress upon me how she was a Trump supporter before, but the bullet just missed him almost a year ago and now it means God has selected him. I think that's more of a Republican than the people who are following the Epstein stuff closely.

I 100% agree. I'm just talking about the new voters he turned out and the data shows that he did. And I think those are the podcast listeners who care about this kind of thing. And it's more reminiscent, it's more about the fact that, like, we don't have good material politics that are communicated to people in this country, but everyone has a sense that the elites are ripping them off and played by different rules. And that's why this Epstein story matters to people who aren't just the normal secret cabal anti-Semites like weird evangelical freaks, QAnon people. It's

expanded and it has cross appeal. Everybody I know that that is a millennial, I think, really cares about the story in part because our generation lived through the Iraq War, the financial crisis, now Trump 2.0. It's also the crisis. Now Trump 2.0, it's also the millennials are way more democratic in terms of voting than other people, but they're also more independent. It's just less Republican too. And I think that there's a sense of like, this is a story where it makes a clear story of a group of elite people that are getting away with the worst crimes that could have ever been done and that there's a cover up and if Trump's participating in that cover

up, it's bad for his brand. That's my contention. Yeah, I think that's the end. And if it gets bad enough, then he has to blame somebody. And that's really where this could have value. It's not going to, I don't think it's going to scare any voters away from Trump, but I do think that it could create pressure on him enough where he would be worried about that, where he has to throw somebody under the bus, which could be really inconvenient.

Even the problem with throwing her on the bus on some level though is that there's clearly something there and I don't know how they Satisfy the desire for it other than like, you know, I know he starts a war but here is Ron, I mean honestly like at one point he'll do something to Change the narrative but here is Ron Wyden the Senate Finance But here is Ron Wyden, the Senate Finance Committee. This is fascinating stuff because there is an element to this Epstein stuff that is not as sexy in some respects, literally, but like, or rapey.

But it is, it speaks to the more the elite stuff. How did this guy amass his money? What was going on? How did this dude who was a substitute teacher end up hobnobbing with all these people? It wasn't his talent or his conversation skills. There was something else going on. Here is Ron Wyden on the Senate Finance Committee yesterday. Last year, the Biden administration allowed our investigators to look at portions of the

file. We did that at the Treasury building. Here is what it says. Treasury's Epstein file details, Mr. President, 4,725 wire transfers. Let me repeat that. 4,725 wire transfers, adding up to nearly $1.1 billion, flowing in and out of just one of Mr. Epstein's bank accounts. If you ask me, that is more than 4,000 potential lines of investigation right there. Hundreds of millions more flowed through other accounts.

That's even a lot more to investigate. The file shows that Mr. Epstein used multiple Russian banks, which are now under sanctions, to process payments related to sex trafficking. I imagine those banks were also used for a lot of other things too. I mean, it really does raise questions. I think, but just my experience is always just sort of like it's it the the they are usually hiding something other than what people think it is in these situations and that there's there the exposure is to other things that we're not supposed to see

and Besant has apparently been stonewalling a lot of these questions for a while about the finances. And I mean who knows where the the next sort of like break in the dam is going to be. It's interesting that Wyden is the guy doing this because his father, Peter Wyden, was a journalist with really good sources. He wrote one of the first good exposés on the CIA's involvement with the Bay of Pigs planning and fiasco. So if there's somebody who has sources on the Democratic side of the aisle, it would

be, I think, Wyden. And things like, I mean, some of the epsi- the Times writes here, some of the Epsi money transfers disclosed in the report from JP Morgan Chase involved accounts at two Russian banks before those institutions were subjected to U.S. sanctions. A few transactions, red flag, were for as much as $100 million. And it's interesting that Whiting would be on that given his background because of, you know, the claims about intelligence and things like that. But we still don't even know how Epstein made his fortune.

He went from high school teacher to a guy that was responsible for basically billions of dollars in transactions And he was managing the money for one particular person for around what 20 to 30 years an enigma It's the American dream. Yeah, we'll come in if you know what I mean a bootstraps guy The secrets we will share. I'm going to trust my friends in the government. What's up?

Oh, did you want to do Dave Rubin on it? Was that our lead up to that? There's a Dave Rubin. Oh yeah. Oh, there's a Dave Rubin. Oh, we definitely need to do that. This is that parody clips channel? At Dave Clips, yeah.

At Dave Clips. Well, let's be clear. It's not a parody of Dave Rubin. It is Dave Rubin being a parody of himself, and this guy clips it. Yeah, it's a watchdog, but it's just funny. The government, they're not good at anything. What did Ronald Reagan say? The eight scariest words in the English language?

I'm here from the government. I'm from the government and I'm here to help. Ronald Reagan, the eight scariest words in the English language. I'm from the government and I'm here to help. Ronald Reagan, the eight scariest words in the English language. I'm from the government and I'm here to help. Don't trust the government. Don't trust the agencies. Don't trust the media. But yes, the government is the bad guys, but they want you to believe that the government

are the good guys and could never lie about so many things or get so many things wrong and still have your job unless you worked for the government, right? They lie about everything. Slow roll the lies about everything. Remember when Jeffrey Epstein died in jail and somehow the cameras weren't working for those few minutes? Nobody was checking the cameras for those few minutes.

You know, we have cameras at my house. The Epstein List, why is it that Jeffrey Epstein dies in jail and the cameras went out and all that kind of thing? Why would the FBI be hiding that? Unless there's something really weird, particularly with the Democrat Party and all the celebs. Do you trust the government? The government? I trust Dan Bongino. I have no reason not to trust Casper Teller.

I trust Donald Trump at the moment, as much as I trust anyone else. But they may just not have it. Like maybe Epstein was smart enough not to have an actual list written out that said all of the specifics. Are we to believe like is what I'm supposed to do up here as someone that's trying to make sense of this just the way you are is tell you boy, I think I think they got to Dan Bongino.

They magically got to Dan Bongino and they got to Patel and they got to Bambani and they got to Donald Trump or is it possible as he says what you want to hear actually isn't the thing we have evidence of so either we're gonna believe when they give us information when when Dan Boncino tells us certain things or not and if we don't then then either you're just swimming off in complete conspiracy theories or you better have some concrete evidence of something so if what she is saying is true that basically every 24 hours it's an old system so it resets and that's why it reset if that's actually true which

again I don't know I don't know any more than you do and then I guess it is what it is but be careful what you ask for because if the Democrats are clamoring for this thing How do you think that's gonna work out for Trump and then thus how do you think it's gonna work out for the country? Unbelievable master unbelievable that is Yeah, he and Ben Shapiro What are you guys doing? The funniest part is when he's like this this is going to be really embarrassing, especially for the Democrats and the celebrities. Like, there's no red. The celebrities. And that's why

they moved on so to that P Diddy thing. And we're obsessed with that because for them, for that crowd, it's the titillating thing. It's like, honestly, probably darker than that. Like they have their own kind of like sick fantasies about young girls and then they kind of live vicariously through their curiosity in these stories. But once it got to a bit of a systemic critique, and one where there's rumors about things like Israeli intelligence, Dave Rubin and Ben Shapiro are very much against talking about that, which is interesting. I think the rest of right-wing media will follow.

I want to believe Patel. I believe Dan Bongino. I'm going to trust my friends in the government. Even Charlie walked it back. Sam, we played yesterday Charlie Kirk, who after he walked back his walk back He walked back his walk back and all of the comments. It's their ins. They're furious at him Walking back his walk back or for yes They weren't satisfied with the walk back or the walk back. They said hey stop saying that it's just Gen Z

that's Obsessed this cuz Charlie kept saying like the Gen Z that's obsessed with this. Because Charlie kept saying like, Gen Z is pissed. And everyone's like, I'm a 57 year old woman who watches your show and I'm upset about it. Yeah. I mean, this is the fascinating thing is that you can look at those polling numbers of Republican support for him and yes, the 6% margin of error is pretty substantial. But the Epstein thing is so much a product, and I don't even mean this controversy, I mean the entire controversy is so much a product of social media and is so part and parcel of social media.

I mean, it's not like there were big stories on Epstein, on ABC News or anything. This was all sort of like YouTube and Twitter and Twitch and all the social media outlets. And so the people they're hearing back from are like the are the the Their core audience. That's the problem and it's cross. Yeah, it's crossed over to the mainstream now Obviously because they bungled it so poorly but it is interesting when I I've been turning on cable news to see how they react and I listen in the morning before you know as I'm getting ready. And it's basically uniform. If you're on cable news, and I said this on Chris Hayes, where I had some more conspiratorial tone about it than the other guests, but most,

almost all of them are saying, you know, he killed himself. This is just a conspiracy theory. Don't think about it too much. And I don't know, I don't think that's going to keep working. It's for an older audience that has a little bit more trust in like some of the institutions in our government versus the generational divide of people that, you know, are on the internet and listen to podcasts like this for better or for worse. I mean, I don't want to give Nancy Pelosi credit for 12 dimensional chess, but Nancy Pelosi saying this is a distraction, don't pay attention to it, that's like an accelerant, right? That's an accelerant.

The idea that she is going to say the same thing as Trump is an accelerate for this. Right. You know, I mean, if I was... I'm not giving her credit for that. I think she's just one... She's one of those... Christine Pelosi, her daughter, tweeted when he got arrested, some of our faves may be

implicated, but we'll have to deal with it. That's who she's... She is part of the old guard that let this story fester on the right because they didn't want to implicate Bill Clinton and we could have used this for political capital I don't have to give her credit or not give her credit to know that like You know if I wanted to stoke this in fact Let's just say Nancy Pelosi saying this She should say that everyone who doesn't credit give credit or trust Trump on this is deplorable. Exactly.

This type of conspiracy mongering is bad for society. We shouldn't do it. I mean, that is like, could there be more fuel on the fire than that? And that is really the thing for her to say, really, Hillary Clinton should come out and say, I really think there's nothing to this. I trust the president on this. There's many things that Donald Trump and I disagree on, but keeping the Epstein client list under wraps is the I think very important I mean she insists on remaining in the public eye. Could she do good for once honestly that would be The best thing she she has could have ever done in the past eight years. Yep

If she wants to give that thing legs, that's what she does years. Yep. If she wants to give that thing legs, that's what she does. Nothing to see here. The problem is that she doesn't want to give it legs. This is a big nothing burger. Yes. This is a big nothing burger. Oh God, that would be so fantastic. Can we get our deep fake technology to use it that evil for one piece of good here and get Hillary Clinton on tape saying that kind of thing. Honestly, like putting out a parody of Hillary Clinton doing it, it would take like 15 minutes before it all of a sudden morphs into something that is real. And we just write up Hillary Clinton probably right now.

There's nothing to see here. Let's see what should we. Oh, the I mean, oh, well, if we're going to have fun, then 19 isn't good. But come on, we got another 20 minutes for the week. 20. Let's let's have something good. Okay. Oh, I mean, Gottheimer. Although you know what the Stephen Miller thing is worth looking at. I mean, this is footage of Stephen Miller from 2003. I don't know how old he is. It seems like it's on a high school or college bus. Okay. Yeah I've been reading the reason I put this in there is because I've been kind of skimming through gene Guerrero's book hate monger

Yeah Miller Donald Trump and the white nationalist agenda. You had her on like right before I joined the show Oh, okay. Yeah, and it's just like it's a book about his background and how Yeah, and it's just like a book about his background and how he was such a virulent racist specifically about Latinos growing up in a high school that had a lot of Latino classmates in Southern California. And there's just like, you see the origins of that hatred even then. So that's why this clip kind of just stuck out to me here. Also, I think the thing to pay attention to is the reception he's getting, because I think this is the story of Stephen Miller. This is think of a guy who is not getting who's probably,

you know, socially ostracized. And think of this response. This reminds me of that Errol Morris film. Was it Mr. Death or Dr. Death? I can't remember, but play this. To the issue of the Iraqi civilians, I think that as many of them as should survive as possible because the goal of any military conflict is to kill as few people as possible, but as for Saddam Hussein and his henchmen,

I think the ideal solution would be to cut off their fingers. I don't think it's necessary to kill them entirely. We're not a barbaric people. We respect life. Therefore torture is the way to go. Because torture people can live. Torture is a celebration of life and human dignity. We need to remember that as we enter these very dark and dangerous times in the next century. And I only hope that many of my peers and people who will be living in this country will appreciate the value and respect that torture shows towards other cultures. To the issue of the Iraqis.

I mean, the laughter he's getting. Yeah, you see it building his strength. Totally, totally. And this is what that guy, this is what draws that. The film is dr. Death and it's the same thing, you know, same sort of dynamic Where a guy who you know is not you know, it was just seeking some type of like reinforcement and feedback and That's

The the people laughing at Stephen Miller Back then I would imagine I would hope that they're like, we shouldn't have laughed at him. We shouldn't have encouraged him in any way because this is, this is what he, you know, this is what led him on this, you know, gave him his momentum in some ways. Herrera writes that he was kind of like average in popularity. He did play some sports. He did start to lose his hair all the way in high school. So at least, you know, that happened to him, fortunately for us. But, I mean, he was also seemingly obsessed with harassing

Latina girls in his school who were a part of clubs where they would sometimes speak Spanish and there were numerous anecdotes that she collects in her book of that being the case and that being particularly animating to him. She also in the book interviews a Latino friend of his that cut off ties because of the things that Miller had said and how racist he was. And then there's that old clip we've seen of him shrieking about how we shouldn't have to pick up our trash because we have janitors that will do it for us. This is a guy that gets off on seeing people humiliated and seeing people in pain. He's a sadist and

he makes that clear in that clip right there to the laughter of course of the students, which I think also reflects like what our country was like in the aftermath of 9-11. But when we're talking about him calling the shots right now for Donald Trump who's ailing and old and lazy, he just articulated the alligator Alcatraz thing. We have that in the sound sheet. You do have that. I mean, yeah, let's let's play this. I mean, there's a couple of things in this clip. Steve Miller is on with Jesse waters. There's a couple of things in here that are just blatant lies.

But it's the same thing they did with Guantanamo. Yeah, let's just remember this Rush Limbaugh was uh... selling club get no merchandise in claiming that this was like a uh... you know a caribbean vacation they were taken here's steven miller on with the is good buddy jesse waters even that miller is there an internment camp in the Everglades, Miller? There is an ICE facility that provides a far superior level of housing and accommodation

that is available to millions of Americans who are living in Section 8 housing and other low-income areas of our own glided cities like Baltimore, like Detroit, like Chicago. How many Americans are living in abominable conditions compared to the pristine conditions of our ICE facilities and our Border Patrol facilities. Look at every turn illegal aliens have always been treated better than Americans. The difference is in this administration they're getting a ticket out of America so that we can take care of our own people. Do you have any idea how many resources will be opened up for Americans when the illegals are gone?

No more waiting in line at an emergency room? No more massive traffic in Los Angeles? Your health insurance premiums go down? Your public school classroom size will shrink dramatically? They have more time to educate every student? You won't have to compete for public benefits? If you're hard... if you're down on your. If you're hard, if you're down in your luck, you're having a hard time, and you do need to get support from the government, you're not going to be in line by millions of illegal aliens from the third world. This is going to be such a gift to the

quality of life of everyday Americans, Jesse. It's hard to even express the wonders that await for working people. I mean, you had me at No Traffic in LA. If you guys can get that message broadcast loud and clear over there, I think you'll have a lot. His O'Reilly impression is so annoying. But let's just go through these things. I mean, aside from the fact that we know the conditions in this detention center in Florida are abysmal, abysmal to the extent that we've gotten any word out of it. They flooded a week after they built it. Attorneys can't even reach their clients for the most part.

The people, we play that clip from Maxwell Frost, and that was after they had four days to clean it up. But as far as undocumented people, meaning that you don't have to wait at the ER or there will be no traffic in LA, health premiums are going to go down. Health premiums are about to shoot up dramatically from that big bill they just passed. The ACA subsidies were cut back. And because, so people going into the marketplace are going to lose the subsidies that they, additional subsidies they got from COVID. On top of that, we now know that insurance companies are looking for up to a 15% increase in rates because of the anticipation of cuts from Medicaid and the subsidies. They're going to lose people in the marketplace. When you lose people who are paying for health insurance.

Insurance rates go up, not down. Insurance gets cheaper when you have more people in the system. That is just a basic law of essentially physics. The idea that school size is going to be impacted by this. Schools are given funds as a function of the number of students that are there. What's far more likely is in some areas, low-income areas, you're going to see schools close because of this. As far as public benefits, you're not competing against people for things like SNAP or Medicaid because you are eligible up until this bill based upon your income levels. So it doesn't matter what

the person next to you is making. Your income levels are what make you eligible for these type of public benefits. I mean, these are all lies. They're all lies that Miller is proposing. But it's also twisted. I mean, this is exactly, exactly what the Nazis argued would be the outcome if they were to remove Jews

from Germany. Economic prosperity for you will have this sort of revival of German heritage, of culture. It will have this sort of revival of German heritage, of culture. It will be this sort of like racially pure utopia. That is exactly what he's saying. It's completely, completely aligned with that rhetoric. That's how dangerous this is. And I mean, he's the amount of lies, it's difficult to keep track, but just at the beginning, he talks about Baltimore being this hellhole. Baltimore has been

steadily increasing, like in terms of safety and the community is on the upswing again. Just reported a few weeks, a week or so ago, baltimore homicide rate has fallen to a fifty-year low at this point so he's just lying based on using and soaking race racism now to support that lie i mean you see this so much uh... like the i was a market recent talking about blaming multiculturalism uh... for a basic all the problems created by capitalism and how it's allocated resources. But in terms of traffic, New York actually just did something to lower traffic in the city, and it's made everything better.

And it wasn't get the Gestapo to make the white demographic seem larger in comparison to everyone else. It was congestion pricing. Right. It was taxing people who have the means above a certain income threshold to commute into the city via car. And it's had such dramatic improvements on air quality and traffic that it's shot up in terms of popularity and success.

Because this isn't going to have an impact except to ruin millions of lives by using this Gestapo tactic on regular Americans, or not regular Americans, but everyday Americans lives who aren't going to be directly impacted by it. It has a shelf life because people are going to figure out that this doesn't do anything to materially improve my life. It's just cruelty for the sake of things. But they're hoping that their kind of movement of anti-democracy is enough to sustain it over the fact that that realization will eventually come. Sorry, it wasn't Andre Sniews.

Venture capitalist Paul Graham who said, in retrospect, one of the things that allowed wokeness to become so powerful at its peak was the decline of journalism as an industry. The kind of people who undertook its institutional capture in 2010 mostly couldn't have gotten hired in 1980 So it's just the woke culture that took over journalism. That's the real problem Why are we letting other people besides white men get these jobs? Of course, we're starting to get a wide variety of stories That's the problem. We went woke All right, let's do one last clip. This is on Sunday, July 20th,

there's a new Jubilee video that is dropping. And I knew this was coming a little bit. I had talked to Mehdi Ahsan about it after my jubilee. He was like, should I do it? They've been asking me to do it. I'm like, yeah, do it. My family lineage is set. This is going to be extraordinary.

A bloodbath? I mean, a bloodbath. And I have not seen anything other than this clip, but it looks like it's going to be a bloodbath. Here is a Mediasen. This dropped yesterday, a promo for his Jubilee appearance. My family lineage is settlers from the 1500s. You don't look very Native American to me. I am Native American. Whites are Native Americans.

What are you talking about? You're not. What are you talking about? You're a little bit more than a far-right Republican. Hey, what can I say? I think you say I'm a fascist. Yeah, I am. Listen to me. I am an immigrant. I'm speaking for First Experience.

Get the hell out. I don't even from personal experience. Get the hell out. I don't even like... I should get the hell out? Yes. Why? I don't want you here. My first claim is Donald Trump is pro-crime and pro-criminal. Donald Trump is defying the Constitution.

Immigrants overall are good for America. Donald Trump's plan for Gaza is ethnic cleansing. I'm Mehdi Hassan, I'm a journalist, I'm the editor of Zeteo. And today I'm surrounded by 20 far-right conservatives. Oh, they brought back the white culture girl. The white nationalist girl. Yeah. Yeah. It looks like they stocked all. Now, what's going to be fascinating is to see the reaction of like, well, you got bad fascists in there. There are smarter fascists.

Or if people are going to be like, these people are extremists. We have no policies that are like this, except for the one that Stephen Miller, the chief aide to Donald Trump is espousing. It's going to be interesting to see how they deal with this. Well, it seems like already in that promo, they're already triggered by the fact that Mehdi has an accent and that he's not a white person. So that might bring out some new different flavors of anger from these self-described fascists. Does that guy say his family goes back to the 1500s in America?

Because that's pretty early for even American settlement in... Most of Virginia didn't happen until the 1600s. But what's funny about these sorts of folks is I pissed off Confederate, sort of lost cause type people on Twitter the other week ago And I got so many insults about how I was an Ellis Island, baby, and I'm like yeah Like that I wasn't here take that like during like the 1750s my family wasn't here yet and that should make me feel like bad and I Can't tell you how like I'm more likely to feel

embarrassed about drinking Johnny Walker black label than I am. But how many? The Italians and the Irish and Jews, that's basically what the implication is for Ellis Island. Those types of folks are saying that unless you were here as like a Mayflower or like American Revolution style person, then you shouldn't be here at all. I'm sorry.

The idea that those people who are saying that to you have lineage back to the Mayflower, all of them I find to be very, very dubious claim. Yeah. I mean, these are all people who are just trying to be, who are trying to make some type of point about, like, I don't know. I mean, I'm trying to figure out what the angle is that somebody even comes in 1500 is a Native American.

It wasn't America at that time You know like I don't I don't like follow what even what they're what their twisted argument is I would call them anti-american because Look, I grew up Close to Ellis Island and you know call me a lib or a commie or whatever But I was taught that the American values were one about the immigrant experience and how what made this country unique and great is what I was taught was this blending of different cultures and experiences and people

trying to come here to make a better life for themselves. Now, that is also a myth that erases the genocide of indigenous Americans, and we should be clear about that. But in terms of like civic values in this country, that's what should be put back to the forefront of politics. And the Democrats shouldn't be abdicating that narrative for reasons that are based in supposedly polling, but mostly it's about cowardice and corruption. Yeah, I agree. Even talking to the Trump supporters over 4th of July, if Democrats put billions of dollars towards Ellis Island and made all immigrants go through a process there, you'd have a lot of people that are upset about immigrants getting in.

Don't get me wrong. But there's a whole section that by this bullshit that it's the reason for crime and the reason for blight is because we're like letting too many people in through like illegal grounds or whatever. So they just want to be formalized. Why can't we tap into American mythology? Why can't the left tap into that kind of thing and speak about like the country and the immigrant experience in a positive affirming way because the leadership sucks ass? I answered my own question.

You answered your own question. That's exactly right. That's exactly right. There's no political oxygen for that, because you start to make that argument, and the leadership of the Democratic Party goes the other way. I mean, that's been the biggest problem.

And I think it existed. It existed in the other way. I mean, that's been the biggest problem. And I think it existed, we, you know, it existed in the Obama administration. I think it existed in the Biden administration. I think there was a, I think there is a hostility to immigrants that is, I think, both racially and class based. I believe. And I see like these, when we had a guest on yesterday to talk about Elon's Grok supercomputer poisoning Memphis, like it's more than the airport, more than all of this other stuff combined. And the author of the piece cited this study that I hadn't seen before that showed that nearly 2 billion people are likely by 2070 to be in inhospitably hot, dangerous

areas of the globe. That's going to be 2 billion people that are going to look to go and live elsewhere if they survive. And it's of course the global south. So we have to prepare for that because we have an administration. Oh, we are. We've built a wall, right? I guess so I bet but but there this is their solution to that coming that coming

disaster which is just enclosed and militarized and abused and eventually Who knows we could be leading to a moment of like actually killing these kinds of people given the direction of this country that we're going. Does anyone want to rule that out as a possibility for what happens at Alligator Alcatraz? That it becomes a death camp. It's already like half dozen people have been killed, I think in Florida. I think it's most likely to become a work camp where people churn through, there's a certain percentage that die because of the nature of the conditions, there's a certain percentage of people who are shipped out to other countries. I would suspect older people, people who

are just not as good at working. And then I think they're going to just rent out the workers, these laborers, and make it a revenue generating machine for the private interests who own this camp. That's what I would guess is going to happen. And then MAGA hats can say made in the USA exactly yeah it's all gonna be Trump merch that they're gonna be working on all right let me read a couple I am to get out of here it's so much for making the last that's a funny fun to have fun that was my fault no I know I think I brought up the whole eco fascist pending potential genocide thing.

I blame that Miller that just put that just put the nail into the coffin that we were building global info data. Thank you. We needed that. Living Coder. This sounds like stem cell mania during Bush. Henry, Sam, can you offer your thoughts on CBS canceling Colbert two days after?

Oh, we talked about that. Nicola. LOL, why not use the word for that? Pubes, says Nicola. And I am in it to win it. I like southern hair. I like Southern hair. Southern hair. I know I hear what you were talking about.

Is that what you were saying? I didn't even figure that out. I was trying to do like 50s radio like I Love Lucy style. Balls in their hands. Chris in Texas. It was typed up so Trump could send the final drawing he wanted. I'd love to see the drafts he threw away. He set himself up so poorly.

If they'd release a drawing and it looks exactly like all these city skylines that he's on record sending to every charity, I mean, it's the case closed. Violet Orchid, the 6% error is insane. In high school statistics, we were taught 5% is basically the maximum error you should accept when evaluating if the results are statistically significant. It's a BS poll. Jay Tingle, it could be something as crass as Trump and Epstein did a spit roast with a 14 year old

I have read that guys in prison bond that way I was just having that Sam read that that's I wasn't laughing at these two Well, I don't know and I don't want to know did you know what a cabana's confirmation Devil's triangle. All right. I don't want to know did you know what in that one is a confirmation? Devil's triangle. All right. I don't even remember what I first of all How dare you Ryan has a lamb? laminated sheet with all these terms I Need a copy of that. I think well, I'm here to help. Yeah

That's good producing work Well, I'm here to help. Yeah. That's good producing work. Bingo, dango. Jamie, pull up free speech warrior Joe Rogan absolutely trashing Trump for all his speech suppression during Paramount, CBS and Colbert and the Wall Street Journal. Oh wait, nevermind. Rogan is cheering it all.

It's wild how much all those guys go to, well, you shouldn't disrespect Trump. New Jersey mailman. Wait, you're telling me if party of a child brides isn't upset their parties covering all this up? I for one am shocked. Four more. Space Lennon. Tahoma or Tacoma is the native name for the mountain.

Martig, my husband started losing his hair in high school too. Amazingly, it did not turn him into a Nazi. There you go. Two more. And I'm sure he wears it better than Steven. Antifa Lockhart, Colbert still has a year left. Is it possible this is just to get the merger approved and then sign him? That occurred to me. They could maybe make

a change. Skyview is a different management. You never know. You never know. And the final IM of the week. Left-wing debt squad. The DNC are not our saviors. They will not be the ones to dismantle systems of oppression. They are simply a stopgap. And more people need to understand this. This is perhaps one of the areas nuance in this broader discussion about the viability of the DNC and the electoralism generally is lost. We don't need them

to carry the ball all the way into our end zone. We just need them to get a stop on fourth and one so the offense can take over. And don't forget we're smash mouth grind it out first offense. It's going to be a long slug to get to the end zone. I mean, that has been my perspective. Certainly with this four years, I thought like if Harris could, you know, stench the bleeding for four years and allow for some real power to build on the left in the ends and they don't know if that date if she wanted that all those people would have been so validated i would have never traded it all i traded it for what we're experiencing now we should

never have but you know there is stuff that we can do in like learn from this and maybe the base is more open to like a left wing kind of populist thing than they would have been otherwise. I mean, her winning Cheney style would have been horrible. Yeah. But also I do think the left is better after say like eight years of Obama than it was, you know, even after four years of Trump and you get Joe Biden in there.

Definitely. I mean, it's always the, the responses all at least in my experience, the responses always whether it was Clinton after essentially function as 12 years of Reagan, whether it was Obama after four, eight years of Bush, whether it was Biden after four years of Trump. I mean, this is the way that it works. Maybe this time will be different. I doubt it. Staunch the bleeding.

Sorry. Matt, Brian, Emma, great job this week, folks. Monday. I've seen the truth in a light bulb But finding out won't make me feel any better Yeah, I know the clock is ticking But the meds are gonna kick in And my pilot lights shine bright I get some when the choice was made, for the option where you don't get paid, for the road that bends before it finally breaks you.

I get somewhere I lost my drive, between the 101 and the 5. Do you know how far the detail takes you? yeah, I know the clock is ticking but the meds are gonna kick in and my pilot lights shining bright