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Episode Date: January 11, 2026

It's Casual Friday on the Majority Report On today's program: Indiana GOP refuses to gerrymander despite the onslaught of threats of stripping federal funding coming from the Trump administration. Wil...l Sommer, author of the False Flag newsletter, joins Sam and Emma to talk about the week's news and the Charlie Kirk fallout that is cratering right-wing media In the Fun Half: Rep. Bennie Johnson (D-MS) grills an FBI official at a Homeland Security Committee hearing over his claim that Antifa is the most immediate threat facing the U.S. despite having ZERO information on the alleged organization. Kristi Noem is caught lying about deporting combat wounded veterans and breaking the law over their deporting of lawful asylum seekers. A 20-year-old-man speaks at a press conference about ICE arresting, brutalizing him and leaving him to walk in the snow 7 miles from his home. Glenn Beck interviews Ai George Washington in a nightmare segment.  Bari Weiss interviews Erika Kirk and it is as weird as you would expect. All that and more. The Congress switchboard number is (202) 224-3121. You can use this number to connect with either the U.S. Senate or the House of Representatives. Follow us on TikTok here: https://www.tiktok.com/@majorityreportfm Check us out on Twitch here: https://www.twitch.tv/themajorityreport Find our Rumble stream here: https://rumble.com/user/majorityreport Check out our alt YouTube channel here: https://www.youtube.com/majorityreportlive Gift a Majority Report subscription here: https://fans.fm/majority/gift Subscribe to the AMQuickie newsletter here: https://am-quickie.ghost.io/ Join the Majority Report Discord! https://majoritydiscord.com/ Get all your MR merch at our store: https://shop.majorityreportradio.com/ Get the free Majority Report App!: https://majority.fm/app Go to https://JustCoffee.coop and use coupon code majority to get 10% off your purchase Check out today's sponsors: NUTRAFOL: Get $10 off your first month's subscription + free shipping at Nutrafol.com when you use promo code TMR10 TUSHY: Get 10% off TUSHY with the code TMR at https://hellotushy.com/TMR BLUELAND: To stock up on sustainable cleaning products for yourself, or to give a beautiful, sustainable gift to your friends and family this holiday season, go to Blueland.com/majority and save up to 30% during Blueland's holiday sale! SUNSET LAKE: Use coupon code "Left Is Best" (all one word) for 20% off of your entire order at SunsetLakeCBD.com  Follow the Majority Report crew on Twitter: @SamSeder @EmmaVigeland @MattLech On Instagram: @MrBryanVokey Check out Matt's show, Left Reckoning, on YouTube, and subscribe on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/leftreckoning Check out Matt Binder's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/mattbinder Subscribe to Brandon's show The Discourse on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/ExpandTheDiscourse Check out Ava Raiza's music here! https://avaraiza.bandcamp.com

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Starting point is 00:03:09 Gowanus Canal in the heartland of America, downtown Brooklyn, USA. On the program today, Will Summer, senior reporter at the bulwark, author of the False Flag newsletter. Also on the program today, Trump, J.D. Vance's threats failed to convince Indiana to gerrymander. Alleged Charlie Kirk Killer to appear in court for the first time today. House votes to repeal Trump's order to end union rights for federal workers as Mike Johnson loses control of the floor. I was going to say loses his mojo, his my Joe. Trump's HUD investigating Boston.
Starting point is 00:04:00 Yeah. Trump's HUD investigating Boston for alleged housing discrimination against white people. Trump signs an EEO to force the DOJ to sue states that regulate AI, also to agencies to cut federal funding to those same states. Meanwhile, a federal judge orders FEMA to reissued canceled disaster mitigation funding. Probably a good idea. And strike three as Trump's DOJ once again fails to convince a grand jury to indict Tish James, and Comey, for that matter. Meanwhile, U.S. preparing to hijack more Venezuelan ships.
Starting point is 00:04:49 And simultaneously, U.S. threatens sanctions if the ICC does not pledge to not prosecute Donald Trump. White House signals, they will complete the Biden reclassification of cannabis to schedule three. all this and so much more on today's majority report. Welcome, ladies and gentlemen. It is... Casual Friday. Let me get this fixed here. It is casual Friday, ladies and gentlemen.
Starting point is 00:05:28 But there's so much. Things have been gotten increasingly crazy. Will Summer is going to be here today to to to sort of track how insane things have gone on the right. It is fascinating to watch them go off the rails like this. I mean, we're even like the house releasing those photos of Jeffrey Epstein and Trump now and Bill Gates and stuff. Like that's almost, it's just, it's not even at the top of the headlines because we might be going to, you know, war with Venezuela, for example. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:06 And we should say. I mean, that's the House Democrats that released that information. But it adds just another sort of stirring of the pot. We'll get to all this with Will Summer. But the other really relevant thing that happened yesterday, on one hand, we have the sort of the right-wing media world falling apart. We have Donald Trump's polling. plummeting. I mean, just full on plummeting. He's at 30, is it 36% approval rating?
Starting point is 00:06:46 You want to pull that up now? Yeah, let's just pull that up. The AP stuff. Let's, I mean, this was just absolutely stunning here. The AP, Nork, had a poll here where they looked at Trump's handling of the economy and then also on immigration to major issues and compared it to March 2020. when they asked the same questions. So let's just put this up here. You can see on the economy, Trump's overall approval rating is at 31% on the economy. I mean, this is unheard of in my lifetime for a Republican president, I feel like. I'm not sure maybe at the end of Bush's...
Starting point is 00:07:27 I think it's the lowest maybe. I mean, I... When Bush's approval rating, got into like the mid 30s, we were in, um, in real, uh, sort of like, uh, a new territory. Um, stand not sick on that though for a second, Matt, because look at that with Republicans, though. They're down nine points from March. It's only 69% of Republicans approve of his handling of the economy. That's like the lowest I've ever seen for him on one particular issue with Republicans. Is that crazy to say? Um, I, I, I, I don't know, to be honest with you. But it's
Starting point is 00:08:09 low. And but the bottom line is Donald Trump is getting into a like sort of uniquely, uh, low approval territory. Can we just show that final one then at least on immigration he's fallen to, but let's get to that. But let's get to the immigration one later. Um, but, but the, his overall approval is at 30, 36% according to this. And only 74% of independence disapprove. And so he, is in uh he's in deep do-do now i don't know if that's the only reason that uh indiana the lawmakers refused to do it my suspicion is um and this is you know donald trump in the white house about i want to say about four or five months ago started to make a very dramatic push to get uh republican controlled state houses around the country to redistrict they did it in in texas
Starting point is 00:09:08 despite the fact that it was racially gerrymandered, Supreme Court reversed the lower court's ruling that it was racially gerrymandered. And we should say, the reason why people thought it was racially gerrymandered is because the DOJ sent the Texas letter saying, you should racially gerrymander this. And so that was one of the clues.
Starting point is 00:09:31 Nevertheless, that gerrymander is going to stand. But the idea was that there's going to be multiple states and there's going to be a gerrymander war. So California passes a referendum to gerrymander in response to Texas. But then the Republicans were counting on two new seats in Indiana. And it turns out that the speaker in the Indiana State House was not interested in that. And I suspect it is because a lot of them are not up for re-election. They don't think Trump's going to be around too much longer.
Starting point is 00:10:04 And that some of the incumbents were like, well, if you're going to judge, gerrymander to get rid of these Democratic districts, you're going to take away my cushion in my seats. And I'm not interested in that because the Indiana Republicans already control the state anyways. So there's really no massive benefit for them. And I think they think they're going to lose the Congress this round, go around as well. And none of the incumbents want to be in that position. But the violence that they were threatened with, let's just hear. this report. This is from WTHR. That was the final vote. So that means 21 Republicans join the 10 Democrats to end the mid-decade redistricting debate. And this came more than
Starting point is 00:10:52 three hours after three hours of passionate speeches on both sides of this issue. For the Republicans in support of the bill, they argued this map would boost the Republican voice in Congress. But the ones who voted no say, this would take away the voice of the voters. I believe the bill on his face is unconstitutional. I've done my very best to quietly and respectfully listen to the people I represent. And I'm confident that my vote reflects the will of my constituents. So that last senator you just heard from. That is Senator Greg Good.
Starting point is 00:11:29 And you may remember just a few weeks ago, he received the first swatting attempt out of all of the senators that we have reported on. And he was a major swing vote throughout the entire debate. No one really knew what side he was going to end up on because he was pretty quiet on that. He ended up voting no. One of the 21 Republicans who voted no. So since this bill died yet. Okay.
Starting point is 00:11:50 There were multiple swattings of these Indiana state senators. There was multiple threats issued against them, like from physical violence against them. And here's one threat from J.D. Vance. And this is important because if you think that Donald Trump is not going to be around, you got to worry about J.D. Vance. And this is number eight. Here is J.D. Vance retweeting and carrying on Donald Trump's threat. Put this up.
Starting point is 00:12:23 Donald Trump Jr. Donald Trump, Jr., sorry. Rod Bray. So Donald Trump Jr. said, if Indiana Republican side with these never-Trumpers to do the dirty work of Democrats, I'll be spending a lot of time in Indiana next year. are campaigning against every single one of them. These rhino consultants sabotaging MAGA need to be rooted out of the GOP. This isn't, by the way, the consultants, what are you talking about?
Starting point is 00:12:47 Like the Heritage Foundation was making this push. The Trump's super PACs are behind these threats against these lawmakers to go after them. This wasn't money on their side. In fact, it's actually the opposite. The Trump-like super PAC machine was threatening the lawmakers that were in acquiescing. Put up the J.D. Vance tweet. Rod Bray, the Senate leader in Indiana, has consistently told us he wouldn't fight redistricting while simultaneously whipping his members against it. That level of dishonesty cannot be rewarded, and the Indiana Republicans need to choose a side.
Starting point is 00:13:21 Now, this was just before the vote, I think, or right after. and here is heritage action. Like Emma said, this is the Heritage Foundation. This is the most important, prominent right-wing conservative Republican think tank. President Trump has made it clear to Indiana leaders. If the Indiana Senate fails to pass the map, all federal funding will be stripped from the state. Roads will not be paved. Guard bases will close.
Starting point is 00:13:57 major projects will stop. These are the stakes in every no vote will be to blame. Well, here's the fascinating part. Now let's see them put up. I mean, first off, none of those senators, first off, none of those senators are up for re-election in 2026. Now, Trump Jr., I don't know if he bothered not to sort of look that up. Maybe he doesn't have Google.
Starting point is 00:14:22 Maybe he doesn't have chat GPT or whatever it is. I mean, if he has mirrors, he just doesn't use him. Exactly. And they're kicked up. The real question is, is Donald Trump going to fall through on those threats? Because obviously, the Indiana lawmakers weren't worried about it, not enough to do his bidding. And this is going to show that he is, even to those Republicans, a total paper tiger, at least in terms of the threats. Who knows what the constituents will do to them.
Starting point is 00:14:55 but I think if they don't go right after Donald Trump, they're in no threat from their constituents. And this is how it starts to break apart. And so it's going to be, and J.B. Vance is on record there saying this cannot stand. Well, what are you going to do about, Chief? Yeah, it's good. So what? Exactly.
Starting point is 00:15:15 Right. Call their bluff. And then there was also that he was trying to get Kansas to do this. They're not going to redistrict them that way. I think Nebraska and New Hampshire, too. They've already rejected his demands. And I think that when we look back at this time period, we will see that Epstein vote as the pivotal moment for Trump because it showed the base really breaking from him on one particular issue. I mean, when you see the polling on his handling of that
Starting point is 00:15:44 case, he loves to talk about an 80-20 issue. That's a real damn 80-20 issue. People don't like it. And so he he showed himself to be a paper tiger then. being unable to whip those votes and calling every Republican. And, you know, they tried for a long time getting Mike Johnson to not seat, um, uh, Representative Grealva for weeks and weeks to try to engage in this cover up. But in the end, the dam had to break. And Trump was unable to get his way. And it really feels like since then, and then of course paired with this horrible economic situation and the polling that's resulted from that, he's just been falling apart and he's already in lame duck territory. I mean, I don't want to speak too soon, but that's what it feels like.
Starting point is 00:16:28 I think he was in lame duck as soon as they got their tax cuts. Because again, what's left of their agenda? Nothing. Nothing. Yeah. There's no, there's nothing left of their agenda. Like what, like, what, like, what, name me one thing that Republicans are talking about passing or running on or whatever it is. They have no agenda. Protecting AI. I mean, there's nothing. And yeah. And I wonder, too, Mike Pence was a former governor of Indiana. He wasn't terribly popular when Donald Trump picked him as governor. I think his approval rating was around 40% in 2015. But I imagine he still has some friends in the Indiana state government.
Starting point is 00:17:12 Who knows? But a very interesting story. In a moment, we're going to be talking to Will Summer, who is a senior reporter at the Bullwork, has an author of False Flag Newsletter, has been covered. this like the right wing I don't know what do you call it ecosystem yeah media ecosystem for years and we'll talk about the other
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Starting point is 00:26:10 percent off. Now is the time to stock up for the year. Quick break. When we come back, Will Summer, senior reporter, Bullwork, author of the false flag newsletter. We'll be right back. We are back, Sam Cedar, Emma Vigland on the majority report. Want to welcome back to the program, Will Summer, senior reporter at the Bullwork, author of the False Flag newsletter. And Will, we're, I guess we're about two weeks away from Christmas or somewhere around there. And it's, It's almost as if like Christmas started significantly earlier for you based upon what has been going on. And this is extraordinary.
Starting point is 00:28:25 Give us like, sum it up if you can because we have three hours a day and I still feel like we can't fully explain this or capture it. Yeah, sure. I mean, so right now there is kind of this massive right-wing. Civil War that is going in a lot of different directions. But kind of the hottest part at the moment is the fight over Candace Owens. So Candice Owens, you know, Prager You, former Charlie Kirk Acolyte. Now she's this massively successful YouTuber.
Starting point is 00:28:57 And she has been really making grist out of the Charlie Kirk murder for, got three months now. I mean, she really got into these conspiracy theories and has sort of had the feel to herself. And finally, in the past two weeks, people like Tim Poole, and now Erica Kirk, Charlie Kirk's widow have said, Enough is enough, and they're trying to stop her. And let's just say, I don't think it's working so far. No, it doesn't seem to be. But let's, like, this is, it is fascinating because it really feels like a snake eating its own tail at this point.
Starting point is 00:29:30 And it's doing it with the sort of the, let's, let's play this, Tim Poole responding to Candice Owens. Okay. And I think we played maybe in the past couple of days what, Tim Poole is responding to. But Candice Owen has been and Tim Poole went out of. Tim Poole claims that he
Starting point is 00:29:52 was shot at. His compound is shot at. Now, I've been to his compound. I am shocked. There's only one road that goes by it. It's in the middle of nowhere. I'm shocked that there isn't like... And we figured this out yesterday that it's deer hunting season
Starting point is 00:30:08 like literally right now down there. Yeah, gun season started at the end. apparently two years before this he also complained about people shooting at him at this exact same time of year yeah that's amazing um that's amazing i didn't realize that that's amazing um but uh so he claims he shot at and he got very very indignant about it like i don't know if i've ever seen timpool as mad except for like when uh maybe when emma went on his show and sort of uh embarrassed him a little bit but I don't know if I've ever seen him more mad than that. And Candace Owen just calmly pulled him apart in her video.
Starting point is 00:30:50 I also should say I think she's a lunatic. But here is Tim Poole responding to her. This is clip number 15. I've gotten a bunch of emails. Shocking revelations. And I've gotten people coming to me and talking about what she really does. And I want to be. answers. I want answers. Who's she working for? Who is Candace Owens working for? Don't you think it's a little
Starting point is 00:31:19 weird? Can you, I'm sorry? I'm sorry. First of all, I just have to say, shout out to Nathan Robinson. That's the current affairs piece that he wrote that Tim is reading from. So secondly, he's copying her. That's the point. I mean, so well, doing the cadence. He's, he's almost verbatim copying what she said. But the problem is, and I want you to speak to this, we know this because we follow this stuff, but most of his audience probably doesn't know that he's doing a satire because this is what he's doing every other day of the year. Yes. I mean, the idea that Tim Pool will now play the character of a maniac who is like, paranoid and convinced that there are threats around every corner. I mean, as you said, that's what he talks about all the time. You know, he's,
Starting point is 00:32:11 He's really, he's trying to fake the funk here. I mean, he's kind of trying to steal her charisma and, you know, kind of talk slowly and, you know, raise these questions. I mean, he's really just kind of riled up after this supposed shooting on his property, which, by the way, he won't give the police the surveillance video, you know, it makes you wonder. Did he even record it? So supposedly he did report it, but he said he won't get, TMZ reported yesterday that he hasn't given them the surveillance video because he doesn't want to reveal where the cameras are located. But if you won't give that to the police, I mean, that seems a little weird to me. You know, it may very well have happened, but this is kind of the inciting incident for why Tim Poole has gone so crazy with this stuff. Well, how do you, he won't give the surveillance.
Starting point is 00:32:56 I mean, there's, why wouldn't you give the surveillance? Because he's got a gated thing. He could put the cameras behind the fences. And if you have like a, you know, I don't know, like a nest. cam or something like that, it stores it the information on a hard drive that nobody can access, even if they were to pull the camera down. This doesn't make any sense. No, it doesn't really.
Starting point is 00:33:23 I mean, why, again, I mean, he doesn't want to reveal a location with the cameras. Can you move him to a different tree after that? I mean, does he have his own? Is the Timcast crew going to take care of this on their own without the police? You know, who knows? Let's go back to, though, the real incitement for cam. Candice Owens was Milo Yaninopoulos appearing on Tim Poole show. And Milo, will you just give people like a slight history of Milo Yaninopoulos?
Starting point is 00:33:53 Because this guy seems to be like burning everything down. And I'm enjoying it. Yeah, I mean, Milo's really on the loose these days. I mean, he's this kind of long time right-wing provocateur. He's a British gay guy. The amount of like how gay is kind of flat. I mean, to be fair. You know, he got really into the ex-gay stuff.
Starting point is 00:34:14 He did, like, even kind of like QBC Catholic stuff where he would like sell rosaries and stuff. But now I think he's, I think it's more a little vaguer, like how gay he is these days, at least publicly. He's living with the guy who founded a, I believe, American apparel in like a mansion in L.A. It's like very run down. Now, this is not his husband because I know that he broke up with his or his, his power more. I'm not sure what their legal status was. They broke up and just became roommates. It's sort of a room gallery.
Starting point is 00:34:45 Left gaysness. I guess when he decided to convert. Yeah, I mean, he goes through a lot of identities and sort of angles as a right-wing character. But as you said, I mean, he has this kind of reputation historically every few years. He'll say, I have everyone's secrets on this hard drive. He calls the vault and he'll threaten to give it to the FBI or he'll say, you know, I'm going to give it to ex-person and they're going to reveal everyone's identities or secrets. And in this case, you're right.
Starting point is 00:35:12 I mean, he's really on a tear here. He's kind of affiliated with Candice. He's going a little further than her. He's saying, you know, where did they bury Charlie's bodies? You know, something nefarious happened there. But as you said, I mean, he's really, you know, trying to attack people like Benny Johnson, for example. Well, I want to get into Benny Johnson.
Starting point is 00:35:29 But just with Milo, people should remember that he was really sort of like at the, the pivot point of Gamergate. because he was writing for Breitbart under Bannon's tutelage at that time in the run-up to the 2015 election. And he, more than probably any single individual made Gamergate into a thing. And that sort of like drummed up the men's right activist. I mean, it was sort of the precursor to all of this, it seems like. And Milo, I wonder if you ever caught this too. He was on the last time he was on Tim Pool accused Ben Shapiro of essentially buying all of his audience years ago when there was that big Facebook buys that they were doing.
Starting point is 00:36:15 And he said, like, this is the way it works in right-wing media. You fake it until you make it. And shout out to Jose, who just did a great video on Ben Shapiro and looked into some of those claims about and how his engagement is so much lower than these other right-wing. His views may look good, but his engagement is very, very, very. very different than equivalent right-wing YouTubers who are getting a lot more attention. So it lends credence to that theory, Sam. Have you, so, well, you've been following this stuff for a long time.
Starting point is 00:36:48 Have you ever seen it this sort of, like inward facing? No, I mean, I've never seen sort of a, you know, sort of a circular firing squad or the just amount of enmity there is on the right, especially because it's not like they're really fighting over a politician. It's not like someone loves to Santa, someone likes Trump. I mean, they're just going at each other. The administration is kind of sitting off to the sidelines. You know, everything like obviously Nick Fuentes, the Heritage Foundation ended up in their own trouble with that.
Starting point is 00:37:17 I mean, it really is, like the vibes are just really awful right now. And you can see it with things like, again, Milo just kind of trying to take people out sort of for no reason just because he feels like it. So a little chaos. You got Candace Owens. I mean, it really is everyone sort of turning on each other. And, you know, as you mentioned, Tim Poole is furious. Well, why do you think this is happening? I'm just curious, why do you think this is happening?
Starting point is 00:37:39 Because it, for the most part, it feels like the way that they have succeeded is by, you know, sort of like feeding off each other. And it feels like maybe like Crowder was the first sort of like incident where he had his big con thing was the first time that we saw this. And is it that they're making enough money that they're in. independent now and they see each other as rivals or what what is it i mean i think it's a couple things just in the past couple months i mean one i think the charlie kirk assassination was a big deal you know he had kind of a way to keep people out of the gop or at least to sort of take someone like nick fuentes and say like okay you're going to be over you're not really going to be the public face of the party um and he was also just friends with a lot of people and so but with him gone i think there's this kind of power vacuum
Starting point is 00:38:31 So a lot of people are seeing themselves as kind of I should step up and take his mantle. And frankly, I mean, take the money, you know, that's now on the table. So I think, and then, you know, the other aspect is that Trump is on his way out. And he's being seen as kind of a failed president. He's not getting done what they want. And so you have to kind of then start positioning yourself to 2028. And as a result, you know, people are kind of picking out their positions and fighting over that. And I just, I think it's important to also.
Starting point is 00:39:01 just linger on the Charlie Kirk thing for a second. The more, you know, Candace Owens is off on her own and she's making a ton of money. She's immensely popular, right? But you have guys like Tim Poole who, I think Tim, he talked a little bit about how, you know, he's making new relationships.
Starting point is 00:39:20 It seemed like he was cozying up a little bit to the Daily Wire. We heard the reporting that he's been meeting. He met with Benjamin Netanyahu, and he didn't have that money anymore from Edward Gregorian and the Russians, it's dried up. So like he's looking to align himself and continue to make money in this ecosystem. Candace doesn't have to worry about that. She's like an operation into herself. So with these other right wing personalities, they're trying to use the Charlie Kirk death in their own way for the Republican project. But Candace isn't doing that. She said literally,
Starting point is 00:39:55 I don't care about the midterms. She's doing this and exploiting it in her own way, With this level of emotionality, I keep giving my husband credit for this point because he was a great point about Alex Jones and how they're similar because they tap into people's like lizard brains about this stuff with their like passion and performance. She's very much like a female Alex Jones. Her incentive structure is very different than the rest of these Republican influencers. And I think that's part of why they're so mad at her. Yeah, I think that's a great point from your husband. I mean, I think you watch it and you kind of like lock in. I mean, at least in the beginning, I mean, I think she started to kind of have some retreads.
Starting point is 00:40:36 But I talked to this one right-wing personality and I said, you know, God, what do you think of what Kansas is doing? And within a week of the assassination, she's spinning all these conspiracy theories. And he said, I'm just, I'm like, I'm locked in. I mean, it's fascinating to watch. And it's kind of a high wire act. I mean, it also, I should say, if you watch it, I mean, it can be, why are we talking about MK Ultra? We're talking about a Ron Contra now. And, you know, these guys have the same last name.
Starting point is 00:40:58 I mean, she just sort of weaves this web that I think a lot of people are buying into, you know, even though it doesn't really make a lot of sense. But it's interesting you mentioned the midterms thing. I think she really angered a lot of people. I guess it was still in the past week when she said, I don't care about the midterms because Tim Poole said, you're going to mess up the midterms. And she said, I don't care. They murdered my friend, which I think for the audience is a much more compelling thing
Starting point is 00:41:21 than, okay, we have to win a majority in the house again. But, you know, I think that really, when you kind of start touching the money, start touching the power, that sets a lot of people off on the right. I mean, I think back to the 2020 special election in Georgia, when Lynn Wood, who was so crazy and he was so into QAnon and everyone loved him, they didn't mind that. But as soon as he said, you know what, the elections are stolen. Who cares about voting? Then suddenly they were like, whoa, you're going too crazy for us, man. And I think it's similar things happening here. Is it is the, I mean, when, when Tim Pool says, you know, that she's going to ruin the midterm elections, what is your sense of that?
Starting point is 00:41:57 Because it seems to me, to the extent that there's going to be any implications for the elections, it's going to be because turning points maybe is getting less funding. Maybe like, but that seems to be a function of like Charlie Kirk was the face of turning points. I mean, even to the point where this guy is lauded as a free speech hero because he goes on campuses and debates college students. yet the organization, the first thing that they ever did was basically set up a portal to report your, your professor, and to drum professor, put them all on blacklists, which apparently the media has completely, just completely memory hold. But now that he's gone and you've got those, I don't know, the, the Troika. or whomever it is that's doing his show, one of whom is Blake Neff, which I didn't realize,
Starting point is 00:42:59 he was the guy who got fired from Fox News because he was posting on white supremacy sites and putting white supremacy memes into Tucker Carlson stuff, as if Tucker needed that type of help. But what is your sense about what's going on at turning points? I mean, I think turning point is really struggling to respond to this. I mean, on one hand, I think they still have a lot of, you know,
Starting point is 00:43:22 wealthy donors who are willing to fund. them on the other, I think sort of with the grassroots. I mean, obviously after the assassination, there was this real sense, I think, among the average conservative or, you know, right-leaning independent that, you know, Turning Point was so wonderful, and this was kind of Charlie Kirk's mission. But since then, and I think the Canis Owen stuff has had a lot to do with this. People say, oh, these guys covered up their friends murder. I mean, it's crazy stuff, but every, you know, every tweet from someone like Blake Neff or Andrew Colvette, who is sort of Charlie Kirk's right-hand man, who's now on the show as well, you know, it's just all these people.
Starting point is 00:43:54 saying like, you know, when will you reveal, you know, why Charlie was murdered for turning on Israel. And I think that managers have a real effect. You know, I saw, you know, obviously you want to get beyond just kind of like what people's replies on X are. But, you know, even in sort of conservative mom Facebook groups, someone was relaying that, you know, oh, let's buy a bunch of turning point shirts or something. And then all these people were saying, I'm not helping those people. They murdered their friend. So I think this, this Kansas Owen stuff is really sinking in with people. I mean, it, it sort of feels like that.
Starting point is 00:44:24 It also sort of feels like is this created? Do you think that this, the fact that the killer, the alleged killer was not the profile that the right would have wanted, you know, from a communication standpoint. And we suddenly got, like we got this rush of information early on, stuff that we shouldn't have probably heard about, frankly, it seemed to me, in an investigation like that. And then it went dead silent because they realized we're ruining our investigation, probably.
Starting point is 00:45:02 But that created sort of a vacuum of, it built an expectation of what we were going to hear about this person. Then it all went away. That created this room for this kind of conspiracy theory. And look, I haven't dug into it. Maybe you have, and you're absolutely sure it's wrong. I don't, I'm, it's not my, not my beat, but do you think that's what's driving this? Yeah, I mean, I think you can see from people like Benny Johnson from, gosh, you know, people like that, they're basically, they're not like Candace supportive, but they're trying to say, why is the FBI not creating their own conspiracy theory, essentially? They're getting mad that people like Hash Patel are not like stringing out narrative stuff.
Starting point is 00:45:47 Tucker Carlson, for example, said, you know, the FBI needs to be out here answering all. questions. I mean, we know in reality, that's not how the FBI works. They don't sort of, after they've caught the guy, they don't then say, we found something else, you know, before the trial. And so I think because this audience has just demands, this kind of constant feed of content, and they want to learn, you know, well, what's up with the Discord chat? What was up with the roommate? I think on one hand, it's kind of surprising they haven't been satisfied with this explanation because, you know, the trans roommate, all this stuff, you would think they would be, we kind of happy with the idea that, you know, Tyler Robinson acted out,
Starting point is 00:46:21 because you saw Charlie Kirk as his figure of hate that this would kind of fit their narrative. But they really seem to want like Egyptian planes flying around. This is the Candace Owens thing. They want, you know, global networks of assassins, stuff like that. I mean, they sort of have a point in the sense because the FBI did that in the first couple of days, right? I mean, you had the governor coming out there saying this stuff, which wildly inappropriate.
Starting point is 00:46:47 And they basically said, like, they set the expectations and seems to me for what they were going to hear. And I guess it doesn't help that Erica Kirk is, you know, she's a performative person. I mean, she just is. I mean, I don't know, you know, and that doesn't mean that the alleged killer wasn't the alleged killer, but her reactions to it are different than your average person would be. I think that's right. I think the way she has acted, which involves initially, like, a lot of, you know, we saw the coffin, you know, soon after, you know, she's kind of grieving very publicly.
Starting point is 00:47:30 And then I think, understandably from an emotional view, she kind of receded and became much more private. But I think for the audience, they continue to want, you know, okay, well, where is the body buried? You know, where are these things? And, you know, I think, you know, she has sort of struggled to take that mantle as kind of a, right-wing media personality. Maybe she doesn't want it. But I think, particularly now that she's starting to criticize Candace, I think she's starting to be seen as sort of a figure in this and someone who in the past
Starting point is 00:47:59 was sort of untouchable, you know, even for the conspiracy theorist. But I think now they're starting to zero in on her. But I don't think it's going well for Erica Kirk or Turning Point USA. Is she on a book tour now? Because Kirk's book has come out. And, you know, we saw her the other day on Fox and Friends. saying that Charlie would come home on a Friday night. She didn't care when he came home.
Starting point is 00:48:23 He would put his phone in like the everything draw, which, you know, people do that. And it's probably a good practice. And he would say Shabbat Shalom. As if I don't, maybe he celebrated the Jewish Shabbat. You know, putting away your work stuff on Shabbat is Shabbat practice.
Starting point is 00:48:50 But I wonder how much of like, is she promoting the book and signaling to donors? Because we know from Charlie Kirk's text, at least from Candice Owens, to the extent that we know those are real, that he was dealing with some, you know, very pro-Israel, Jewish donors
Starting point is 00:49:08 who were like dangling millions of dollars and maybe they need that? I mean, do you, what's your sense of that? Have you done any reporting around that? So this is a pretty sticky wicket here. I mean, there's all this weird stuff about like what was Charlie Kirk's religion. You know, Candace Owens has claimed he was on the verge of converting to Catholicism. And then soon after the assassination, from sort of like evangelical Christianity,
Starting point is 00:49:31 which obviously really enraged the turning point people because they're very, you know, Charlie Kirk is kind of this, they see him as this kind of new and light, great awakening type figure for evangelicals. But then sort of soon after the assassination, it came out that. he kept the Jewish Shabbat. And as you said, I mean, it's a little odd. The book is called Stop in the name of God. And so they bill it as the Sabbath, really what he's describing here is Shabbat.
Starting point is 00:50:01 I mean, it seems to be very, you know, kind of who are putting the devices away, stuff like that. And she literally said he would say Shabbat Shalom. I mean, that's, you know, I mean, like, it didn't sound like he was saying it like with irony, which would be funny. Like, Shabbat Shalom, honey, I'm home. Ah, that's funny.
Starting point is 00:50:19 We're so Christian. No, well, you're right. I mean, so he was very into this Shabbat practice. I mean, he wrote a book about it. And as you point to, the conspiracy theorists have really zoomed in on like what role did Jewish people. What role did pro-Israel donors play at Turning Point USA? So then suddenly to say, all right, here's his book about being Jewish or being, you know, partially Jewish. You know, as Candace said, she kind of quit, you know, oh, I guess the whole point of Charlie Kirk was that everyone should be
Starting point is 00:50:46 become a Jew. And so I guess I would say it's kind of a weird message at this point where there are all these accusations and this kind of acrimony over Israel within Turning Point USA. Well, they couldn't delay the book? It's pretty bizarre to me. I mean, I agree. But you know what? I will say Erica has also kind of been using the name of the book as like a message to her haters or her detractors. And she'll say, all I would say to you is stop in the name of God with the book. Hmm. When did Charles? Charlie Kirk become so Christian forward.
Starting point is 00:51:22 I debated him, I think it was back in like 2018. I think it was 2018 or 2017, I can't remember exactly when at Politicon. Maybe it was like, it must have been 2018 or maybe 2019, somewhere around there. And I did not, I didn't know him too, too well, but he did not seem to be super religious. I mean, around that time, I remember him being on stage with gay, young gay Republicans trying to push, you know, speak to college students and saying like, you know, look, we're, you know, we're not, we're not the old Republican Party. We're the new Republican Party, which was addressing the fact that they were losing a lot of young people because they were, the Republican Party was, you know, seen as being anti-marriage equality. and I remember when the Groypers would come up at the microphone and go, what are you doing with a gay guy on stage?
Starting point is 00:52:21 And they would get, you know, sort of really explicit. And Charlie was defending it. And then it seems like four or five years later, he's getting much more Christian and, you know, he wasn't renouncing gay marriage, but it felt like there was a progression happening. Yeah, I think you're right on, Sam. I don't know that I can point to a specific year or something that this happened, but I do think, particularly in the Biden administration and sort of going into this new Trump administration,
Starting point is 00:52:51 there was this new kind of religiosity. And I think it sort of mirrors this larger rise on the right. I mean, we can think of so many people, Russell Brand, for one, people who have kind of had this, like, religious conversion and said, I'm so Christian now. Dr. Carlson was attacked by a demon, apparently. Yes, the demon. You know, some people on the right who don't like Tucker.
Starting point is 00:53:12 They said it was one of his dogs and he was kind of dreaming, you know, and he's taking that to be a demon. But there is this kind of, you know, Nick Fuentes, as you mentioned, the Groyper, there are a lot of these people who suddenly have had, you know, this kind of new religiosity. And I think oftentimes it's, you know, they're kind of trying to bounce back from some scandal or something. I mean, I don't think that's the case for Charlie Kirk. But I agree. I mean, there's this launch of Turning Point action, which was sort of the religious wing of Turning Point. And people like Candace, you know, she's kind of waging her own war here because she's Catholic. like they're evangelical.
Starting point is 00:53:43 And turning point action has sort of been portrayed as like the perversion of the turning point message or the sort of sinister operation. You know, it is a, it's sort of a weird blend, everything that's going on there between the politics and the religion. Let, Ken, oh, go on. Go ahead. Well, I just, yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 00:54:05 Okay. You know, you wrote a book on Q and on. We've had you on to talk about that. trust the plan people should really check out that book um can you talk a little bit about how q anon on fits into this because um epstein and the fact that trump engaged in this cover up and the republicans mike johnson at the very least assisted him in that feels like it took the wind out of the sales of some of that conspiracism and is that energy which is also very religious in its like structure. There's good and evil and a secret cabal and we are like the the Christian knights
Starting point is 00:54:43 fighting against this. Like it feels like it that kind of took on a new. It shapeshifted a little, but the particulate matter is still the same with this Charlie Kirk thing. Yeah. I mean, I think that's a great insight, Emma. I mean, I think, you know, the, just to establish, first of all, the religious aspect of Q and on. I mean, there was this sense they called themselves, you know, soldiers for God or, you know, digital soldiers, this idea, you know, you're rescuing children for God. I mean, what could be a higher calling? And all you have to do is just go online and post and watch YouTube videos. And I think, you know, I think you're onto something here that it sort of laid the groundwork. There was this idea, it got people used to this idea of like online sleuthing
Starting point is 00:55:23 into politics. And now you have, in the place of Q, you have Candace Owens who's saying, you know, okay, well, someone sent us in in the same way that people would kind of send into the QAnon Forum, now you're emailing Candace Owens and saying, well, I can't help but notice that, you know, this guy who used to work with the military has the same last name as Blake Neff. You know, what do you think is going on there? You know, I think I would also note that, like, the level of, like, quality of clue here is really poor. You know, a big one she'll run into is if anyone in Turning Point either was in the military or
Starting point is 00:55:56 has a relative in the military, I mean, you're talking about, like, conservative activists. And the idea that, you know, this guy was in the military, this is so crazy. This has to be a sci-op. Let's, I want to, I find this, this sort of fascinating that like, this, this concept of being, you know, sort of hoisted on their own partard. Here is, let's put this, this, this, this is number 14. This is Matt Walsh complaining on X, that what's going on is both here pop this up onto the screen
Starting point is 00:56:36 this is number 14 yeah sorry we got the wrong link one second so matt walsh is one of many including a tim pool who are complaining that candace owens is like caught up in a web of conspiracy but yeah like all of this all of this is a function of like, this is what they, there's one obvious hole in the Charlie Kirk assassination story, which is that leftist trans freaks were posting about the killing before it happened. That would seem to indicate that they were potentially even more leftists involved in the plot. If there's a conspiracy, it's among leftist radical militants. But either way, all of the evidence points to this being the work of at least one or possibly
Starting point is 00:57:20 more than one, radical leftist scumbag. They want us dead. They had every reason and motivation. So he's sort of complaining about this like sort of conspiracy thinking, but he's offering another conspiracy and the tweets that he had, do you have that other tweet that I put in right underneath that? The tweet that he was talking about where someone said like on
Starting point is 00:57:38 September 10th, like something big's going to happen on September 10th is done by this guy and he did this every single day. So like the, you know, September 25th will be a very interesting day. His whole thing was
Starting point is 00:57:54 to tweet out that this day is going to be a very interesting day with the hopes that something would happened that day and people would say like he was clairvoyant. And so like this quality. And then I want to put up this Chris Rufo post. Chris Rufo is supposed to be the, you know, an intellectual within the context of the right wing sphere essentially. This is number 16. Rufo, I think went on to be appointed, you know, like a dean or president of a college. Keep it up there. The right wing media apparatus is how the right teaches his follower is how to think.
Starting point is 00:58:35 And it's currently getting consumed by conspiracy, psychodrama, and tabloid conflicts. If left unchecked, it will turn the audience into the equivalent of a third world click farm. But this is the guy who went out there and basically wanted to label everything as critical race theory. This whole project, I mean, we can go back to Paul Ryan. put up this uh do you have that link um matt oh yeah how ryan like his whole uh stick was you know in trying to say that you were more morally righteous if you were rich uh that he he rolled out a an apocryful story this is back in here pop this up matt we got it you got it um this is uh this is where he was telling this story about a brown bag lunch and how
Starting point is 00:59:26 there was a kid who came up to a an official in Wisconsin. It was like the first time he told it, said it happened to him. And then he conceded it happened to somebody in Wisconsin. And then it turned out he ultimately had to apologize because the story was actually lifted from a fictional book
Starting point is 00:59:43 or from a book and the whole meaning of it was twisted. But like this has been we have nothing like this on the left. I mean, I go off the top of my head, Vince Foster, like Rush Limbaugh, who
Starting point is 00:59:58 Charlie Kirk, you know, took his seat, had this whole conspiracy about Vince Foster and how Hillary Clinton killed him and dragged his body into a park. And then you've got like, I don't know, go through the years. Benghazi, just as recently, they eat cats, they eat dogs, Seth Rich, Jewish space lasers, weather machines. These are all promulgated by birtherism. That's how we got Donald Trump as the president and speaker Boehner was was off on this like this is their whole trade and now
Starting point is 01:00:36 they're complaining about it. Yeah, I mean, completely. I mean, and again, you could keep listing for five more minutes examples of that. I mean, you can see that basically that they're mad that the tactics have been turned inward by Candace Owens primarily. I mean, they want to be doing the conspiracy theories
Starting point is 01:00:52 but aimed at the left. I mean, Christopher Rufo of all people saying, you know, like, hey, how to stay rational here, guys. And do you think like her race has anything to do with their like like how tricky it is for them to go after her? Like the fact that she is a black woman, does that like make it more complicated? Because, you know, first thing is like it's not like Donald Trump doesn't attack black women like literally on a daily basis. And an unknown, you know, to their audience, a black woman. But I wonder if it's more difficult for them because of this.
Starting point is 01:01:26 I think the fact that Candace Owens is sort of, I would say, like pretty transparently a mercenary figure throughout her entire political career. I mean, she emerged as kind of an anti-Gamergate person. They didn't want anything to do with her. She became a pro-gamergate person and then kind of has been through the conservative media apparatus since then. And yeah, I mean, I think the race is an aspect of it. I mean, there's so many of them have really celebrated her as this, you know, bold voice that now, you know, I think it's very complex for them now to say, okay, but this is the one conspiracy theory
Starting point is 01:01:55 that is too far and too tasteless for us. Where do you think this goes? Where do you think the right winger is who you talk to think this goes? Well, you know, the big showdowns on Monday, Turning Point USA is going to have the big debate. They've invited her in person. They say it has to be in person, which is kind of a Tim Poole move as well.
Starting point is 01:02:13 And, you know, they want to debate the conspiracy theories. I kind of don't think she's going to go. Her fans think the French Foreign Legion is going to assassinate her. It's a trap. Hopefully that won't happen. But, you know, I think longer term, I mean, I said the ground rule is no assassinations. She's supposed to think it'll happen. Yes.
Starting point is 01:02:30 And hopefully turning point agrees to that ground rule. You know, the question is, I think longer term, I think as Trump kind of wanes on the right, and, you know, the economic incentives are incredibly good for someone like Candace, as you mentioned. So I think more people are kind of kind of start splitting and making these sort of politically counterproductive conspiracy theories. Matt had a good point the other day that she does also a true crime podcast.
Starting point is 01:02:57 Is that right? And how much of that is like, here's the script. Just change out the, it's like madlibs. I'm just going to put in different subjects. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:03:09 I mean, you know, I think that's correct. You know, she's also really into like celebrity gossip with sort of a sort of reactionary valence to it. She got really big with Blake lively versus Justin Baldoni. And so, I mean, in the same way. I mean, I think she can fit people.
Starting point is 01:03:23 You know, Erica Kirk. She says, I don't know, Erica. You're acting a little like Megan Markle. So it kind of fits all into that same world. What does that mean? What does that mean? Acting like Megan Markle? Her explanation on that was that Megan Markle demands.
Starting point is 01:03:37 She expects publicity when she wants it and privacy when she wants it. Exactly. Well, obviously, because I believe she wouldn't reveal Harley's Craveseck. All right. Speaking of women, we should do this Joel Berry tweet. This went up. I don't know if you saw this will. Joel Barry, who's the managing editor of the Babylon B had a tweet here.
Starting point is 01:04:01 Christian men, if your wife is listening to Candace Owens, you have an important and difficult task ahead of you as a spiritual head of the home. The scriptures tell husbands to love their wives as Christ loved the church and gave them. I'm going to skip over that. Your wife's spiritual health is your responsibility, and it's your job to protect her from influences that will rot her soul from the inside out. find what scripture says about slander false witness gossip and backbiting find verses about the importance I mean this is a real problem right now don't let your wife sell languish under the
Starting point is 01:04:28 torrent of gossip and smut and if you look at candace's ads it's all like skin care stuff like i think she is very clearly speaking to the women and patrick bet david's producer even said like yeah my wife's listening to all this that's why i'm up to date on what she's saying and to your point though about the the female element too well one her logo looks like Oprah she does a book club, right? Like, she's trying to look like a daytime person and the Fstein thing. I just want to return to that. Like, you know, when you have Marjorie Taylor Green breaking and and Bobert, I guess, and the other Republican women, Nancy Mace, that are, that broke with Trump really on this Epstein issue. And they talk about the victims. This fits very neatly into
Starting point is 01:05:14 like maybe Republican women who feel skeved out by Trump. covering up for this pedophile and maybe being and likely being implicated. You know, Candace returns a lot to saying, you know, I don't want my children to live in a world run by pedophiles. That's kind of a refrain throughout the Charlie Kirk stuff where she says, oh, you're so mad at me. Well, sorry, I don't like the pedophile empire or what have you. And so, you know, I think the Epstein stuff is also a big part of this. I love the Joel Berry saying, you know, have your wife watch, Ali Beth Stucky, who is a much more kind of like turning point, you know, sort of controlled or styled influencer.
Starting point is 01:05:51 Do you have a sense of like what the gender makeup is of like a Candace Owens' audience versus, let's say, TPSA? I think her audience is probably majority women, you know, probably pretty significantly. So, I mean, like I said, it's a lot of celebrity gossip. It's a lot of kind of, you know, I think it's sort of female coded, you know, and then occasionally they'll say, you know, okay, now let's track this Egyptian planes flights and see if it's tracking Erica Kirk or is it, you know, carrying secret assassin teams. And where is that relative to the others? I mean, do you have a sense of like specifically,
Starting point is 01:06:28 like through your reporting, have you come across gender breakdowns for these shows? Because, you know, YouTube is largely dominated by male, you know, male, like, I guess, audiences for politics. Political YouTube in particular, yeah. Not all, of course, but. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think it's fair to say that, you know, the vast majority of sort of right-wing YouTube content
Starting point is 01:06:58 is definitely aimed at men and presumably has, I think, a similar demographic. So Candace is unique in that way, too. I mean, there are only sort of a handful, Alliebeth Stuckey, you know, a couple other people like this, who are really aimed at women, I guess, Brett Cooper. You know, and so for, I sort of have to imagine that Candace really has a lot of the sort of conservative women. And I think a lot of non-concertive women who are just kind of enjoying the storyline as well in her audience.
Starting point is 01:07:26 All right. Lastly, let me ask you about this. How much of this like this is subtextually about Nick Fuentes? Because Fuentes was Charlie Kirk's bet noir. It doesn't, you know, and he really downplayed that because I think he was very. very nervous when the Kirk was assassinated that it was one of his people, uh, or his followers, I should say. Um, obviously, you know, that's just my sense. Um, but in the sort of like, uh, the interim period following it, we had the Heritage Foundation, um, basically go down in flames in many respects because, uh, Kevin Roberts went out and said, I'm not going to blackless, uh, Fuentes.
Starting point is 01:08:13 had J.D. Vance, when asked about Fentz, well, he's got a lot of followers, and you've got to be, you know, careful, that type of thing. I mean, it's quite clear they're all afraid of alienating Fentes' base. And Fentz has been very, like, sort of, like, been on a media push to sort of, like, normalizes himself. He went on to Pierce Morgan. It didn't go so well for him there in terms of being normal in any respect. And he's also got to be worried about like, you know, Milo Yanonopoulos going around telling stories about people, you know, Milo is out at Benny Johnson. It was sort of like a, you know, who knows what Benny Johnson's orientation is, but there
Starting point is 01:09:00 wasn't like there weren't rumors. He went on to say that Charlie Kirk was gay, which, you know, I had not heard that rumor. he's implied that others have a secret, you know, sort of like the sexual orientation. How much of this is about Fuentes and this feeling of like, we've got to adopt the white, the white supremacist, the out-and-out white supremacist, Nazi-loving guy, but we don't want to, they need to be careful about it. I think Big Fuentes is, I think there's a lot to white supremacist. you said here. I mean, I think Nick Fuentes is kind of presenting himself as like a sort of saner,
Starting point is 01:09:41 fringe media character compared to Candace Owens. He's saying, you know, Candice, your ideas are crazy. You know, he said, if Turning Point, you know, USA can't debunker ideas, he said, I'll put her in a coffin, you know, I think debate-wise, at least in theory. So, you know, he's, I feel like there's a big tumult in right-wing media right now, and people are really anxious about the rise of Nick Fuentes, but they've seen that you kind of can't challenge him or if you sort of try to, to engage with them in any way. You know, you can end up like the Heritage Foundation. You're just getting torn apart.
Starting point is 01:10:11 And I think people are kind of scared of the Groyper's, you know, certainly getting their events disrupted in the way that Charlie Kirk once did. So I feel like perhaps they see Candace Owens as a way that they can sort of assert some power and at least they can go after her and kind of try to police the boundaries of what's acceptable. It's a fascinating, like, turn of events. And I have a feeling it's not going to be as easy. easy for the right to sort of get distracted by something else.
Starting point is 01:10:40 Too many of them are heavily invested in this sort of like pulling on these strings. And, you know, this Charlie Kirk assassin's trial or alleged assassin's trial could just keep going on. They may keep it closed doors. I don't know how they'll get away with that. It seems like they're damned if they do, damned if they don't. So I imagine, Will, you're going to have a very, very big. busy next several months, if not more. Thanks so much for coming on and talking to us about this.
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Starting point is 01:11:33 Over the next lady. You really said that the latest, if you want to get it by Christmas is ordered by Tuesday the 16th. I mean, I think for the max left beanies, yeah. We can't guarantee. We cannot guarantee. But that's what it looks like. We're going to try and do that. The max left beanie. What an amazing Christmas gift, ladies and gentlemen. Is that the one you gave to Tim Poole speaking of or was it a different beanie? I gave him a different beanie. I did give him a majority report. Beanie. I think I gave him one first. He doesn't seem to He's not, I don't, well, he probably wears it when he goes out about town.
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Starting point is 01:13:13 in their response to ICE as like Ice keeps moving on because people can see you know essentially like I think people have seen more and more of the horror that ICE is perpetrating on people but also I think it's emboldening people
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Starting point is 01:15:08 where we are closing in on 150,000 subscribers. There's a new live show out this morning two hours ago, how Republicans lost their mind. Similar to today's, there's a book by a guy Paul Heideman, which is called Rogue Elephant, how the GOP went from the party of business to the party of chaos. That actually we should actually interview him. It's from Verso,
Starting point is 01:15:31 and it's about not only how the Republicans have gone crazy and the sort of structural and material reasons for how the business elite are losing control, but also the things we talk about in the primaries generally, which is that it is open for historical reasons in a way that leads to opportunities, such as Zora Mamdani can run as a Democrat, and despite a lot of Democrats probably wanting to maybe expel him from the party,
Starting point is 01:15:55 they can't. So if you want to see from a leftist perspective, a view of the primaries on the GOP. Go check out that show this morning. All right, folks. Matt, MLCU. Yeah. Yeah.
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