The Majority Report with Sam Seder - 3549 Doj Epstein Files Cover Up Continues And More W Heather Digby Parton

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Starting point is 00:02:38 The Majority Report with Sam Cedar. Once again, it is Friday, December 19th, 2025. My name is Sam Cedar. This is the five-time award-winning majority report. We are broadcasting live steps from the industrially ravaged Gowanus Canal in the heartland of America, downtown Brooklyn, USA on the program today. The proprietor of the Uber blog, Hullabaloo. Of course, I'm talking about Digby. You may know her as Heather Parton, calmness at salon.com.

Starting point is 00:03:22 Well, both or one and the same will be here today. Also on the program, suspect in the Brown University and MIT killings found dead of suicide in Salem, New Hampshire. EU agrees to a $100 billion loan to Ukraine. Epstein files statutorily mandated to be released today, but the DOJ is trying to make excuses. RFK Jr. essentially bans gender affirming care for anyone under the age of 20 at the vast majority of American hospitals. Meanwhile, anti-trans,

Starting point is 00:04:11 bill passes in the House with the help of three Democrats, there's only four Republicans vote against it. And congrats USA, whooping cough cases soar. Whoopee. And that's along with the measles as RFK's anti-vax crusade gains ground. DNC-2020-4 autopsy to be buried. along with the body before it ever saw the light of day. Trump's Kennedy Center board votes to rename it the Trump Kennedy Center.

Starting point is 00:04:56 And Trump orders federal agencies to heed weed restrictions. All this and more on today's majority report. Welcome, ladies and gentlemen. Thanks so much for joining us. Apologies for the technical issues that we had up front. it is always tricky to go live on multiple platforms every day. Yes. But fortunately, we're all here and we're fine.

Starting point is 00:05:21 And it's raining. Maybe we can blame the rain here in New York. Yes, Emma Viglin is here. I will show up on screen any second now, but that's okay. Everybody's all in a panic because we had some tech difficulties. I want to apologize to our Twitch people. I mean, everywhere else. We're only live on YouTube right now.

Starting point is 00:05:42 work on getting us live everywhere else in a second. But for some reason, our forwarding service doesn't work before Christmas, I think. Yeah. Yeah, if you have any other suggestions for a, like a stream service that would restream, if you will, but without having problems, please let us know, because we have been experiencing, did we ever, do we email them? Oh, you were on the phone with them. Oh, with the restream? No. Oh, yeah. Okay. Oh, okay. Well, you found no evidence of any issues except for the evidence that we had issues. Right. Right. Anyways, we don't need to harp on this. I mean, I did, but not anymore. This is the final Friday. It is. Of 2025 for us. Because of the way that Christmas and New Year's fall this year. Yes.

Starting point is 00:06:42 We're actually getting like an extra day of vacation. I know, I know. And we can't help that. That's a calendar thing. Yeah. We're not allowed to tamper with that. Yeah, you're not allowed to tamper with the days of Christmas, yes. As much as you might like to with your Grinch-like ways.

Starting point is 00:06:59 I've tried. I know. I'd like to really bunch it really close to like New Year's. I'd like Christmas to be on New Year's Day. Right. You should just... Oh, no. We're down again.

Starting point is 00:07:10 It was a momentary thing. I don't know what's going. We're back. We're back. We had a dip? Yeah. Okay. Aye, aye. It actually might be the rain. I mean. Well, no, but this has been going on for a couple days.

Starting point is 00:07:25 Oh, okay. We need to get an internet guy in here, I think. Okay. Well, be that as it may. We're hardwired there, right? Yeah. Okay. But it's some hardwires right here. All right. Well, so let's go to, we'll deal with this.

Starting point is 00:07:42 after the show. Assuming that we're able to do the show. I am recording it locally, so... Okay. It's not like, I mean, every show has to be live. Come on. Today is the day

Starting point is 00:08:01 when the DOJ is statutorily responsible under the Epstein Files Transparency Act that was passed by the house three weeks ago, four weeks ago? I can't remember. It was around the month ago. Actually, it was 30 days ago exactly to this day because they had 30 days since the bill was signed into law to the Department of Justice to release all of it files. I mean, this is what it says in the act, public law, not later than 30 days after

Starting point is 00:08:38 the date of enactment of this act. The attorney general shall subject to. section B make publicly available in a searchable and downloadable format all unclassified records, documents, etc. Now, I have to say my prediction was the DOJ was not going to release any of the files today and they would just keep punting with legal issues. But it appears they're going to release some of the files, but they have to hold some of the files back because there's only three people working at the DOJ now, apparently. And they couldn't get the, their copier was broken. And so they couldn't release it.

Starting point is 00:09:18 But that seems to be whatever the excuse they're using. But Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche, who, funnily enough, and I think you're going to find this to be a very funny coincidence, guess what Todd Blanche's job was as of January, like, 10th of this year? Oh, Trump's personal attorney. Yes. Isn't that it is so, that it's such a coincidence. And this is also the guy who met with Delane Maxwell and questioned Jolain Maxwell,

Starting point is 00:09:53 Grilled her and got her to reveal that Trump's name wasn't in this stuff at all. He had nothing to do with any of it. He's a choir boy. And was the one who, contrary to the prison, the Bureau of Prison Rules, got her moved to a such a low security prison that she actually was allowed to have a puppy there. Wow. You know, it's like an emotional support dog for people who go to prison unjustly. And so she's there. And Todd Blanche is the guy who said that the DOJ intends to release, quote, hundreds of thousands of documents by the deadline. And it's going to release the rest of the files in the coming weeks as redactions are made,

Starting point is 00:10:39 which incidentally is not allowed under federal law. No, it's not allowed. And you have Rokana basically saying publicly that if you're involved in concealing or these redactions that are unnecessary, that you could be prosecuted later on. Sure. Yeah. I mean, and that's where we're at. And I have to say this is also, to be fair, this is also the exact excuses that Saul gives.

Starting point is 00:11:09 me when I ask him to clean his room. I'll do, let me just pick up one pair of underwear and put it in the hamper and I'll do the rest later. Right. And I'm like, that's not exactly the point. But here is Ro Khanna with what his intentions are in the event. And this was what from like a week ago or a couple days ago? This week.

Starting point is 00:11:32 Where he was basically saying, I mean, who could have predicted that the Trump administration you wouldn't release these files on time. But here he is. Tomorrow at midnight is the deadline for Pam Bondi to release the Epstein files. That is what Thomas Massey and my bill calls for. It passed this body 427 to 1, past the Senate 100 to 0 and the president signed it. Now three federal judges have ordered the release of all of these files in Maxwell and Epstein. grand jury. Here is the reality. Any Justice Department official who does not comply with this law will be subject to prosecution for obstruction of justice. If Pam Bondi does not comply with the law,

Starting point is 00:12:26 she will be held either an inherent contempt of Congress or subject to impeachment. We will not rest until the law is complied with and justice is served. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And now I guess we will see how people, you know, how people in Congress react to this partial release. I mean, this is the way you do it, right, when you're trying to stonewall. You release just enough to let a little air out of the tires to make it seem like, we have good faith. It's just that like. Yeah. But how can you get away with it when the statute is abundantly clear?

Starting point is 00:13:06 They're going to try to use these illegality. their legal technicalities in court and try to claim certain redactions are necessary when they're not, but they're going to tie this up in court. And eventually there could be a Democratic president again who says, like, if you were improperly directed to do this kind of thing, we could prosecute you. That's what Kana's been threatening, rightly so. We should be seeing more of this. Like, Pritzker's been doing this with ICE and Tish James here in New York trying to like set up this database for for all of these abuses so that there's some accountability in the future but the line from the democratic party should be that uniformly yep um all right we'll talk more about this with

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Starting point is 00:24:17 report. It's a pleasure to welcome to the program. the proprietor of the Uber blog Hullabaloo and columnist at Salon.com. Thank you. Yeah, there it is. Heather, welcome back to the program. It is you are on. This is the final Friday of 2025.

Starting point is 00:24:53 Wow. Well, it's the privilege to be here. Thank you for having. But can you believe we made it? It feels like it's been four years already, 10 years. I mean, I just, I, and I can't afford to, you know, be doing that. I need every minute now, you know, in my life. I just remember, like, after the, we found out the results and we found out super

Starting point is 00:25:15 quickly on election night. I just was like, four years. How are we going to do it? How am I going to do one day? All right. One down. One down, three to go. Almost.

Starting point is 00:25:26 Almost one-fourth of the way through. Oh, God. And I just want to say, just to be hopeful at this time a year, that it's also possible that, like, nature takes its course. And we don't wait four years, at least for Trump's administration to end. I mean, it still will be a Republican one, but, I mean, who knows? Well, it'll be a JD-Bance one. And I think we all need to stop and think hard about what that might be like. I think that's a good point.

Starting point is 00:25:55 And maybe that's something we should be like focusing on come the new year. But let's talk about where we are today. Today was the day that the Department of Justice, and they've had 30 days at a minimum to prepare for this day. And certainly we've had reports that there were like dozens of FBI agents who were combing through this material. prior to even the passage of the Epstein Files Transparency Act. So it's not like, you know, they didn't have time to redact this stuff if they wanted, but they're claiming today that they need more time. They'll release some stuff.

Starting point is 00:26:44 But my guess would be that stuff does not have the name trumpet it. But give me your perspective on this. Well, let me just say, this morning, my husband came in and woke me up. He gets up early. He woke me up and he goes, you're not going to believe it. They released all the Epstein files. And it's nothing but porn. It's porn from beginning to end. And I just kind of sat up straight in bed and went, oh, my God. What's happening course? You know? You're awake now? I'm going, yeah, yeah, I am. Obviously, nothing is going to come out here of any import, porn or otherwise. I don't think in the early going. I mean, they're doing it. They're pulling. They're pulling. calling a bill bar right where before the muller report came out he did his little you know his little what analysis of what it was going to say and it in it you know it tainted the red the perception of what the muller report was said and that's what this is about they're putting you're going to put out some stuff that i don't know what they'll go after some democrats or there'll be some stuff in there that people can talk about then we're going to have the you know the christmas season and we're going to

Starting point is 00:27:52 everybody's going to be off work and doing their, you know, family thing. And they're going to hope that this thing goes down. And it won't because it just won't. I mean, the problem they have is that there are a bunch of women out there who are saying, this happened to me and they are not going to let go of it. And there are plenty of people on all sides of the political spectrum who want to see what is in there. So, you know, the idea of them kind of, you know, I mean, I think they'd be better off, just releasing it all. I thought that from the very beginning, you know, put it out. Yes, you'll take a hit. Yes,

Starting point is 00:28:29 there'll be some problems. But, you know, Trump at the height of his popularity, such as it was, in the 40s, in the high 40s or whatever, would have been better off than he is now that he's sinking like a stone. And, you know, even some of the MAGA people are kind of going, you know, this is, I'm still paying, you know, huge amounts to the grocery store. It's stupid. But, you know, good. You know, let it happen. I mean, let it happen. And let the chips fall where they may. I don't care who's in those things. I don't care who it hurts. It's fine.

Starting point is 00:28:57 Let it, you know, let it all come out. And I think most people are at that point. Just, you know, let's see it. No, not the porn, by the way. But you know what I mean. I mean, obviously, I would like to see this stuff released. But I agree with you as a political matter. The fact that they keep drip dripping, like that it's been such a sort of like,

Starting point is 00:29:21 slow leak seems to be the complete opposite of what you would do if you were trying to minimize this story in any way. And I mean, the only thing I can imagine, but this is like like 12-dimensional chess is that they're creating this sense that there's something really horrific in there. And then it turns out to be not so horrific for Trump. No, what I believe it though? You know, they'll believe that they hit it, right? Yeah, I mean, but it makes me believe that it must be pretty bad for him in there. Now, I don't know what the nature of it is. Like, I mean, we all just assume that it's going to be clear that he, that there's indication that he has, you know, molested or raped underage women or something to that effect.

Starting point is 00:30:15 it also seems conceivable to me that there's maybe other stuff about his business dealings or about his relationship to other stuff that Epstein was involved in that could be it. I mean, who knows? We're just, you know, it's all speculation at this point. But it's also sort of surprised. Go ahead. I'm sorry. I was just going to say, did you see the article in the New York Times yesterday about Trump?

Starting point is 00:30:43 And, you know, in the 90s when he was a young person. playboy as, you know, he was 48 years old in 1995. So, you know, that's a young playboy. I mean, I mean, speaking as someone who's almost 60 myself, like I'm saying, like, you know, the numbers are just an age. Yeah, exactly. I mean, age is just a number. They're using the J.D. Vance curve of the, the young Republicans, the 35-year-old children. Right, right, exactly. So he and he and Epstein were just young playboys in the 90s that Susie Wilde said. But that story, and I think we all sort of piece together that story before about what they were up to during that period. And Trump was running a modeling agency with a lot of very young girls. There's pictures of him with those young

Starting point is 00:31:26 girls that are, to me, they've always been one of the most startling things because he's clearly just leering at these young, and they are like 14 years old. They're very young, you know, models. You know, they were, especially in the 90s, there were a lot of very young models that were out there. Eastern European mostly, you know, very beautiful young girls. And he's standing there with them all surrounding him and layering at them. It's clear to me and has been, I think, to most people who've been following him all these years. And he didn't used to hide it. I mean, this was just part of his persona, that he was that guy.

Starting point is 00:32:00 And he and Epstein, according to this story in the New York Times, were competing with each other. For how taunting each other with their exploits. And apparently Trump would call up Epstein and just regale them. him in detail with, with, you know, events with women and what he was doing. And Epstein had put him on the speakerphone and make his assistant listen to it, which I'm sure she really enjoyed. I mean, this is the kind of grotesque thing that was going on. And I think, I think, I don't know what's in the files. I don't know if any of that sort of thing is there openly, obviously, with his name attached to it and you can see it. But it just, the whole, the whole atmosphere around Epson's,

Starting point is 00:32:47 and Trump is the same. They were the same guy back in the 1990s and the early 2000s. They were both doing this stuff. And in one of the things in the article yesterday, this was something I hadn't heard before, they were busing in models into Mar-a-Lago, young girls, plying them with alcohol. And in fact, Marla Maples took some young girl and her mother aside

Starting point is 00:33:11 and said, protect her. Yes. Don't let my husband near her. Especially my husband. I wrote this quote, yeah, don't let her, the daughter, around any of these men, especially my husband. What do you call it, a pageant, right? I think it was a party at Mar-a-Lago. And I think they had brought in these girls.

Starting point is 00:33:34 This was a 14-year-old. And her mother went with her, which was unusual. Most of these 14-year-old girls, 14- and 15-year-old girls that were in that orbit were, you know, kind of living, you know, kind of unfortunate lives. lives with abusive homes and various things. They were targeted for that reason. So most of them were on their own dealing with this stuff. This girl happened to be with her mother. And Marla Maples, of all people, I mean, this was Trump's wife saying this.

Starting point is 00:33:59 It wasn't just, you know, some bystander. I mean, of course he was part of this. And anybody under anybody with a brain and who's been following this knows this. The guy has been accused by what dozens of women of unwanted sexual, assaults. I mean, this is absolutely that these women have come forward. They've been out there for years. And we're putting up with this. I mean, you know, it's just one of the things that we're putting up with Donald Trump. But it's a fundamental thing about him and his character and what kind of person he is. And also what kind of people voted for him. They knew this. This was not a secret. This is not something

Starting point is 00:34:39 that just turned up in this second term. And oh, my goodness, you know, how did we know that he was like this? No. This has been there from the very beginning. They voted for. for him anyway. And in fact, a good number of our fellow Americans worship this guy. So, you know, this is, this is a thing that is going to be out there for him. And I was just thinking about this last night. I was thinking maybe they think they can just put this off. And Trump's not going to be around that much longer. He's old and he's aging fast and he is decrepit and frankly demented. It's not going to be that long. If he lasts to the end of the term, you know, okay, whatever. But this stuff, the minute that he, that he is gone, I just.

Starting point is 00:35:17 just think these women are going to just burst out onto the scene because they are they would want to tell the story but they're terrified you see that guy he is a man who believes in vengeance he says it out loud and he's doing it in front of the whole country if you were some young girl or some now some woman sort of on your own who was caught up in that thing i totally understand why they are terrified to come forward and just you know say he was one of them it's their only protection i mean you see he's gone after uh, Letitia James. He's gone after a fed, you know,

Starting point is 00:35:51 a Fed commissioner by drumming up charges with mortgage. Um, they have now sanctioned two, uh, people, uh, two prosecutors from the ICC. And have cut off their ability to,

Starting point is 00:36:03 um, use like credit cards or stuff like that, you know, via our, um, uh, a banking system. Uh,

Starting point is 00:36:12 and so, yeah, uh, people, they are legitimately, um, um, afraid of what would happen in this instance. Let alone the other people that I think are, you know, in some of these files that we do not know about. I mean, some of what was released yesterday by, by the House Democrats included some new faces, uh, at least in terms of associations with Epstein, one being David

Starting point is 00:36:38 Brooks, the conservative columnist for the New York Times who just a few, some weeks ago, months ago, wrote about how, why should we care about the Epstein files? It's not that big of a deal. And then, and I think that same dinner, there were photographs of Sergey Brin, the Google or Alphabet executive, whose ex-wife was RFK Jr.'s running mate, if people remember that,

Starting point is 00:37:04 but also one of the wealthiest people on the planet, too. I mean, just to give people a sense of, like, there's going to be more people implicated than we even know publicly. Yeah, no doubt. I also think, you know, I think your theory, well, the theory of just punt, punt, punt in any way you can, delay, delay, delay, that operates regardless of what you're, you anticipate, how long Trump is going to be around. But I, but I think that they probably think that like, look, you always delay, right? You always delay in any way you can because you just don't know if things are going to turn better for you in some fashion.

Starting point is 00:37:42 I think that's like getting to why they haven't released it at this point. But it's going to be interesting to see if in the event that Trump has like a reason to step down or, you know, departs this earth probably long after he should, how much blame folks like J.D. Vance and the Republican Party will get. I mean, because we see the like sort of the backlash around Democrats. Now, I don't know how much of it is sincere, but like you hid the fact that Joe Biden was, you know, demented and old and blah, blah, blah. Well, I mean, there is a, like, you know, there may have been people around Joe Biden's circle who are hiding this. I have no doubt about it. And there were, you know, some people had more or less access to Biden. And some may have known.

Starting point is 00:38:34 But the fact of the matter is like, this is a, the systems and the apparatus of the U.S. government is being deployed to hide whatever it is that they're trying to hide here. But let's go, I want to just also turn, because we've got a lot to get to today. Trump gave a speech two nights ago. And right before, like, it was a last minute speech. They didn't seem to know about it on Tuesday, but on Wednesday afternoon they're announcing it. and to the point where I think I texted everybody on our group chat, like, hey, guys, we should maybe look for somebody who can talk about this invasion of Venezuela

Starting point is 00:39:20 that he's bound to announce tonight. Right. And instead, he goes on and just, I don't know, gives like the world's quickest and loudest and lamest state of the union address. I mean, out the gate, out the gate. just starts whining. Like as soon as after he says, you know, hello or whatever, the introduction was, I mean, Joe Biden got us. I would have said

Starting point is 00:39:46 hello. Yes. But Joe Biden made it impossible for me to start this. Right. It was that. It was just complete. It's the first thing you said. Yeah. And I inherited a mess whining per usual. And I, it's, I don't think anyone is buying that. The people he needs to win over are not going to be satiated by the reheated complaint

Starting point is 00:40:16 grievance fest that he engages in every single day on Twitter and like, or on truth social. I really do think that this is part of what, like, why this Reiner thing earlier this week, the horrific comments that he made about that horrible, horrible killing of Rob Reiner and his wife.

Starting point is 00:40:34 that that maybe is having more salience than people realize, like, what's going to break through? What horrible thing he says or does will break through. It's because this fixation on himself, the narcissism is grading on people, and people have no patience for it, especially when the economy's this bad. Absolutely. And, you know, the speech, well, first of all, just the delivery of the speech. I mean, I guess they told him he had a particular, you know, had a short period of times. They told him to race through it. But he was just manic.

Starting point is 00:41:03 And he wasn't just manic. He was angry. I mean, this was, he seemed, I mean, if I didn't know better, I'd think this is the last thing you wanted to do. He was like mad and he was, you know, spitting fire in this thing. Very strange thing to do. It's Christmas. I'm not angry. Like he was blowing out his mic. Yeah. Yeah. It was, it was just strange. It was just very, but, you know, what isn't with this guy? But, but what he was saying, you know, you're absolutely right, Emma, the whining. Of course, to me, that is the most grading thing about Donald Trump and always has been. He's, he's. He's, he's, he's, he's He's the greatest whiner the world has ever known. And, you know, I'll use his, his, you know, branding there and say, nobody's ever seen anything like it. And it's because it's true. No one's ever seen. And that's why it's so rich for him to say, you know, the Somalians, they do nothing but complain. I'm going, yeah, dude.

Starting point is 00:41:52 Yeah, it takes one to no one. I mean, you know, this is ridiculous. But it was a wine fest. And essentially, just trying to cast blame and to then try and, and. convince people that somehow or another, you know, you can believe me or you can believe your lion eyes. Things are really great and you just don't know it yet. And it's going to, it's going to be obvious and all these great things are going to happen. And I just don't think that, I mean, well, we know it's not working. The polling is showing that people are blaming him, not Biden.

Starting point is 00:42:24 I mean, there's maybe a 30% of people. It's really that low of people who are saying this is, you know, Biden's fault. That's the hardcore mag of people. Nobody else. is buying that. Independence are, you know, fleeing in droves. They're not buying it. And I don't think he has any other play. I mean, this is it for him. He doesn't have anything else he can do. The economy is in, you know, obviously the tariffs are, you know, a problem. And he's not going to do anything with that. This is his big, you know, this is his great big legacy policy tariffs. He loves my favorite word, you know, I mean, he says this. So he's not going to change that. I mean, they're going to try and whittle away at it. They're going to try and find ways for him to get out of it. But this is,

Starting point is 00:43:07 the damage he's done with Harris is pretty extensive and it's not going to go away. And he doesn't have anything. What's he going to do here? Now, you know, it's always possible. What do I know? Things will just really look up. It'll be mourning in America and everything will be great. But it really doesn't look that way because these are longstanding economic problems that we're dealing with. The income inequality is becoming manifest to average Americans as they're watching the White House, filled with a bunch of billionaires who were putting gold shit all over the place and, you know, putting his name on everything. And, you know, this is becoming pretty obvious to the American people that something has gone wrong. And that there's, and that, that this, this economic

Starting point is 00:43:50 situation that we're in, this stagnant economy is not going to get that much better. And he can't do anything about that. Not he's incapable of it. Here is a clip. I mean, just to, you know, back up your point that people aren't buying it. When you are called out on Fox News for essentially lying and trying to gaslight, and you're a Republican president, never mind Donald Trump, you know you've got a problem. Here is John Roberts on with Howard Lutnik. Now, this is, I don't think we've seen Howard Lutnik in public since he basically said, like, Oh, I knew Epstein was a horrible person.

Starting point is 00:44:33 The moment I met him. Blackmailing everybody. Oh, yeah, he was blackmailing everybody. Oh, wait a second. But here is John Roberts. And, you know, you got to hand it to Ludnik, you know, even when he wants to cry inside, he's able to sort of smile and lie. Because some of them were just mathematically impossible.

Starting point is 00:44:54 Listen to what he said about bringing down the price of prescription drugs. I negotiated directly with the drug companies. foreign nations to which I just like I just want to just like this is what I was talking about like there were moments

Starting point is 00:45:09 where the only thing I can imagine that maybe like they all capsed certain words it's written like his true social yeah exactly

Starting point is 00:45:17 because he he just yeah like the drug companies and they wanted we dropped it 500% like he's it's amazing though

Starting point is 00:45:29 that's what he does I said go back I know, Matt was just like you're blowing out the sound part. Let's not go crazy with it. Sorry. Go back. Go back. The prescription drugs, isn't it?

Starting point is 00:45:39 I negotiated directly with the drug companies and foreign nations, which would take advantage of our country for many decades to slash prices on drugs and pharmaceuticals by as much as 400, 500, and even 600 percent. Well, if you cut something by 100 percent, the cost goes down to zero. If you cut it by four, five, or six hundred percent, the drug companies are actually paying you to take their products. So it raises the question, how much of last night's speech was hyperbole and how much was five? What is the saying is you bring it if a drug was $100 and you bring the drug down to $13, right? If you're looking at it from $13, it's down seven times.

Starting point is 00:46:22 It's down, well, but it's 700% higher price before. It's down 700% now, right? So a $13 would have to go up 700% to get back to the old. So it all depends on when you look at it. You could say it's down 87%, or you could say it would have to go up 700% to be the same one. So it just depends on what you look at it. But basically what he's saying, and we all know what he's saying, is we are hammering the price of drugs down. Okay.

Starting point is 00:46:51 Now, the reason why I appreciate this clip is because John Roberts almost basically says, like, can we believe anything he says? Like he seems to be lying about everything. And even Lutnik, to the extent that he can work it out, like it's 87%. First of all, it's not 87%. But also, what they're citing is a Biden-era program of negotiation with drugs through Medicare, which, of course, they started way late in their administration. and so, you know, as like classic democratic, you know, politics.

Starting point is 00:47:31 But, I mean, all of this stuff was just, it was just, he was just up there lying about stuff. Well, and I'll propose nothing, but just, you know, remember that when they made the announcement with the drug prices, I think it was for the Ozempic drug prices, that's the one where Trump completely fell asleep in the meeting. Then some guy faint and he stands up and sort of stares off in his face. I mean, I don't know. The whole drug negotiating with the drug companies thing, I don't really think that that's working out great for him in so many ways. It's just, it's absurd. Just, I mean.

Starting point is 00:48:08 We got a really good deal on amphetamines, but it hasn't showed up at the White House yet. I mean, has anybody actually compiled a list of the absurdities that we are dealing with right now? I mean, just in every department, every agency, every aspect. of the Trump administration, and then, you know, we can go to Republicans in the Congress as well. It is overwhelming the number of just absolutely ridiculous policies, announcements, pronouncements. And of course, we follow the worst of them, you know, right up there.

Starting point is 00:48:42 I mean, just immigration policy alone. I mean, just that alone would be the most, it's the most horrific one I can think of in my lifetime in terms of domestic policy. I've never seen anything like this. I mean, this is absolutely. horrific. And now they're embarking, I don't know if you, I'm sure you have heard about this, but you know, on this new level, they've put together an executive order. And I think it's a national

Starting point is 00:49:05 security memo of some sort where they're calling Antifa the domestic terrorist organization, which is going, they're going to seize upon this completely unconstitutional, you know, basis or rationale for actually going after liberal groups. They've named what groups like Act Blue, Indivisible, and they're going to use every bit. Then they're going to call it material support for terrorism. Now, that's illegal, of course. It's unconstitutional. We have free speech in this country, supposedly. But it will wind its way through the courts. But this is what they're going to do. And they're going to actually do it, at which point the Supreme Court will no doubt do, what they've been doing the whole way along and say,

Starting point is 00:49:52 well, it would be, you know, it would be, you know, terrible for Donald Trump if we were to stop him from doing this. You can go ahead and then we'll take it up later, which is what they've been doing with the shadow docket from the beginning. This is, you know, that alone is, you know, I just wrote a piece on this.

Starting point is 00:50:10 It's going to come out over the weekend on salon. About, you know, this is Quantil Pro, right? The Hoover program where they were surveilling people. and going after them with the IRS. There was even assassinations done against the Black Panthers. It's going back to McCarthy-Ite. You know, the McCarthy period. It's going back to the original Red Scare.

Starting point is 00:50:29 And this is the kind of stuff that they're doing. And it's just another one of the things that we're talking about, you know? I mean, there's just so much. And I just, I don't know how, you know, I hate to sound cynical, but I'm feeling that way. Maybe it's just the end of a long year and I need a break and maybe I'll feel better. And I do feel better in a lot of ways about. certain things that are happening on the positive end.

Starting point is 00:50:52 But this is terrible. I mean, this is just, I thought it was going to be bad. I knew it would be bad. And it's worse. It's worse in, you know, dozens of different ways and ways that are truly terrifying. I mean, this is scary stuff that they're pulling. And I don't see any great, you know, there's no real resistance within the government. The only places you're finding it is in the lower courts and you're finding it on the streets.

Starting point is 00:51:18 and that's about it. And a little bit among the Democrats, but no. There's a couple of things. One, we should say Ken Klippenstein has done really some of the best reporting on this. And we're hoping to have him on Monday, if it works out. He's out of town at the moment. But we should also say the only other thing that I think is a, it's really just their general incompetence that is slowing this role. and we should say that they're far more competent at this stuff this go-round than they were the first term.

Starting point is 00:51:53 I mean, that is like without a doubt the impetus and the catalyst and the impulse to do all the things they're doing now, Trump had in the first term, and the people around him did. But they have managed this time to go in with a much deeper bench of loyalists than they had last time. And so none of this stuff is being thwarted. The flip side of that, though, is there was a report out, I think it was today or yesterday, the Department of Justice has had something like 22% of its cases dismissed on motion, which is like 21% more than the average in any given year. And it's because they have lost a huge amount of talent.

Starting point is 00:52:44 And, you know, you can, what happens when you lose 50% of the EPA, let's say, is that they don't, they don't go after polluters, that you know, our air, our water gets, you know, more toxic, et cetera. This happens at all these agencies. But when you lose this within the Department of Justice, their ability to both prosecute crimes, broadly speaking, and to maneuver through the court. courts get seriously undermined, both because they don't have the personnel and because they don't have the expertise because more often not, like, the really quality attorneys in the DOJ, they realize this is a crap show and they're going to leave.

Starting point is 00:53:36 I'm most like definitionally, if you're a good attorney more often than not, more often than not, you are much more sort of like, you, you are much more. married to the law, then the outcome. These are process people. I mean, that's sort of like the nature of these people. And so they leave, regardless what their politics are, because they're seeing process doesn't mean anything. All of a sudden, all the rules about the game that they have dedicated their lives to is like, they're saying, like, we don't need to do this. And, of course, the courts aren't necessarily responding that way.

Starting point is 00:54:11 That's why they're losing a fifth of their cases before they get actually move any further. Yeah. Like a motion to, you know, to get your case dismissed as a, in a motion before the case actually even starts on some level is like just indication that you have no idea what you're doing. Like, you know, you could literally pull somebody off the street and get close to that type of average. But speaking of other lies, the, and again, this speaks to the sort of broader point about that speech that he gave two nights ago saying that it's all Biden's fault and everything's actually great. they put out inflation numbers and let's pull this uh graphic they put out inflation numbers and for like if it felt like three hours people like this is crazy inflation has basically just screeched to a halt in the uh in the slack inflation has screeched to a halt it like they've figured it out they've solved it and it turns out if you look on this chart put it up

Starting point is 00:55:14 The way that they solved inflation was much like Trump's idea on how to get rid of COVID. Yep. You just don't track it anymore. And so if you look at October in November, there's no data on food or energy. There's like, there's only on gasoline and on cars, new vehicles and use cars and use cars and trucks are the only ones. everything else all uh... all other commodities all the energy service electricity which of course is not you know yeah it's gone off the charts yeah uh... largely because

Starting point is 00:55:58 of two things one we've taken offline all of these uh... renewable energy projects massive wind farms and solar farms have been taken offline uh... either they were producing stuff or they were about to be produced stuff. And then simultaneously, they are building all of these data centers for AI, maintain the inflation of this bubble, which is just, I think, like, they're starting to realize, like, people just aren't using AI in the way that they thought they were going to. I think they're also trying to outrace, like, certain local pushback and regulation, right?

Starting point is 00:56:38 They're trying to build this to the point where there's, like, there's, I mean, and you see the electricity prices growing up, electricity usage for residential has been like flat for 20 years. It's all this like commercial stuff from, from AI. And what, and that's why Trump wants to have this national ban on local AI regulation, because they're going to define AI regulation as the energy centers that provide power for AI. And so you can't even run to Santis is saying, whoa, wait a minute. You know, I mean, that's that that's how, you know. Bad it is. States really are not happy with this at all.

Starting point is 00:57:16 But. Or should they be? Exactly. Yeah. All right. Let's talk just briefly about what's happening in the House. I mean, it's pretty easy to sum up what's going on there. Mike Johnson has completely lost control over the house. And it's largely because there are a lot, a lot, a handful of Republican moderates who realize They are screwed right now because Donald Trump does not care.

Starting point is 00:57:49 The only way that he's trying to win the election or the midterms seems to be through, essentially, through cheating. And he's like, this is what's going to carry us through. And so now, I mean, we have more discharge petitions in the past four weeks. I think then there was in like the past 20 years or something. Yeah. I mean, you remember discharge petitions. were always some, you know, you'd be in this situation where the Democrats are in the minority or whatever, or progressives were trying to push something.

Starting point is 00:58:20 And everybody goes, well, okay, we needed a discharge petition. And everybody just would roll their eyes. Okay, give it a try, but they never work. So whatever. You know, it was just one of those things that was just, it was in there, but it just was like impeachment, right? It was one of those things just it can't possibly work. Nothing will allow that to work. Well, suddenly, it's happening.

Starting point is 00:58:40 And no one's more surprised than me. because, you know, I was caught in that too. I'm just going to go, well, good luck, guys, but these things, you know, they don't work. And here they are, and it's working. And it's very, very interesting to see that happening. Now, Johnson's out there saying, you know, well, this is the smallest minority in history, and this is the way things happen and blah, blah, blah. I hate to tell him, Nancy Pelosi had a very, very narrow margin,

Starting point is 00:59:02 and they passed massive legislation without a peep like this. There was no, no push, you know, she managed to get it done. It's Mike Johnson is the problem, and the Republican, House, you know, caucus is the problem. And they have been for years. I mean, let's, I'll take you back to the 1990s when Newt Gingrich was kicked out of office when he made a bad call in the election in 19, in 1998, and said that they were going to win a bunch of seats and they didn't. And they got rid of him. They, we went through Tom DeLay. You went through John Boehner. You went through Paul Ryan. You went, you know, I mean, Denny Haster.

Starting point is 00:59:40 Denny Haster. You're forgetting the guys who, the alumni, who are in jail. Yeah. So forgettable, right? I mean, he was just, he's just another pedophile. He was one of the OG Republican pedophiles. And I think of that group, was he the longest serving? No. He was. Oh, yeah, he served for quite a while. I mean, he was long. I thought Boehner was there for longer than Hastert, but may be mistaken. Whatever. The point is, is that, is that they, the Republican Party is, has been and continues to be a mess when it comes to trying to legislate anything. They have a group of fanatical extremists who will not take yes for an answer. They have no interest in compromising.

Starting point is 01:00:23 They're there for other reasons. I don't know. Nowadays, it's to be able to go on X and, you know, say, insult people or whatever it is that they do, trolling. But they just, they're not legislators. They're just, they're just people screaming into the void. And, and this has been going on for a very long time. I mean, John Banner was a very skilled legislator.

Starting point is 01:00:41 He'd been there for a long time. He'd been there all through late 80s and 90s. He knew what he was doing, and he couldn't get it done. He would make deals, and they would just spit in his face. And that's happening to Mike Johnson now in slightly different way, because it's the moderates in his party, the few, the handful of little moderates who were about to lose their seats who were rebelling. But he has no control.

Starting point is 01:01:04 And, you know, I think in his case, it's particularly vivid about how he's lost control. because basically he's just nothing more than a puppet for Donald Trump. I mean, this is all he is. He is following the Donald Trump playbook, you know, down to, I mean, John Soon, if you look at him in the Senate, he's a much more skilled kind of guy about this. He is, you know, he's doing what Trump wants. He's trying to keep his group together. And that's not easy in the Senate anymore either because they got a bunch of nuts over there, too.

Starting point is 01:01:32 You know, Tommy Tuberville and Ron Johnson, you know, a whole bunch of them. But, you know, he's much more skilled in the way that he's, sort of presents himself as a sort of a mediating neutral party who's trying to keep it all together. Johnson is just flat out Trump's boy and everybody knows it. He even looks a bit like a marionette. I mean, don't you think he looks a little like Charlie McCarthy. I don't know. Yeah. I mean, he kind of looks like that. So, you know, that is what he is. And he is, you know, I guess not a marionette, the ventriloquist. Dendroquist, yeah. So, you know, this is, he has completely lost control. And the problem is,

Starting point is 01:02:10 I saw Mike Lawler, the guy from New York, you know, he's in a swing district, he's probably going to lose his seat. And he was one of the ones who signed onto the discharge petition. And he had said before that he wanted, and he'd pulled together some Democrats

Starting point is 01:02:23 to do it with him, that they were going to do some, quote, reforms to ObamaCare. I don't know what, I can't even remember what it was they were trying to do. I mean, I think it was some kind of means testing or something,

Starting point is 01:02:35 along with the extension of the subsidy. And they couldn't get enough Democrats. to do it or Republicans. So that, you know, went by the wayside. So he signed onto the discharge petition with the Democrats, which is just straight up three, three year extension, no arguments clean. He signed onto it and he said, though, I'm hoping that in the Senate, they will, you know, they will not refuse to do that and they'll have to come up with a compromise, which will then sign on to. So that's his, that's his game. But for the most part, I think most Republicans know they're going to lose next November. They can see the writing on the wall and they see this as a

Starting point is 01:03:10 to destroy Obamacare. I think that's what they want to do. I think they want the subsidies to expire. I think they want people to suffer. They want to be able to blame it, you know, blame the health care price. Just listen to Trump. I mean, that's what he says. And I don't think, you know, and Trump

Starting point is 01:03:26 will come up, well, we're just going to send them, you know, send people money so they can buy the good insurance that they can't buy now or some crazy nonsense that makes no sense whatsoever. And it's going to be cheaper and better. I'm going, where is this fantastic insurance that they're unable to buy right now.

Starting point is 01:03:41 But he doesn't understand health care, obviously. He doesn't understand much of anything. So I think they just want to let it go. Just, you know, go ahead, let people suffer. And they're going to lose anyway. So, you know, so what, Mike Lawler? Who cares about you? Who cares about your people who are going to?

Starting point is 01:03:55 Well, it may be the case, too, that the, for a majority of the Republican caucus, who are in increasingly kind of gerrymandered districts as those states that we're talking about have manipulated their maps, Republican-led states, to make that the case, that the front line Republicans like Mike Lawler, they can't get their voices heard in the same way because Mike Johnson just does what Trump wants him to do. And the, you know, the Century Foundation looked at the ACA subsidies and found that rural Americans are going to be hurt disproportionately. That costs will be 28% higher than for urban Americans.

Starting point is 01:04:36 And you see where there's the highest rates of ACA. enrollees in rural areas in the country. It's Alabama, it's Mississippi, South Carolina, Texas, and Wyoming. And those are all states that didn't, well, there's a few other ones that did expand Medicaid, but in terms of being, these are also the states that didn't expand Medicaid, point being. So like, what's so devastating or just, I think maybe revealing is the better word about the Republican Party is that they know that there is a desert of health insurance and health care coverage for those constituents, but they are concentrated in deep red rural districts that are represented by these Republicans. And they don't think, it doesn't seem like they think they're

Starting point is 01:05:21 going to, the majority of the caucus will pay the price. And so it's, it's, it's more beneficial for them to take away health care from their constituents than it is for them to go against Donald Trump for a majority of the caucus. Right. Right. And they, and they just, they, they, they, they are adamantly opposed to Obamacare just on a you know this is just been gone goes back to the very beginning I mean they're still opposed to Medicare for crying out loud you know I mean they're cutting health care across the board and they're happy to see it go this is they will consider that an accomplishment to make their own constituents suffer and this is this is the the sort of structural advantage that the a like a nihilist party has right because

Starting point is 01:06:08 is if they do believe that they're going to lose. And I don't, it's not just, I mean, to be fair, it's not just gerrymandering. Some of it's self-sorting. But the point remains, there's a lot of these districts where it's like, it's blood red. They're never going to lose. The more to the right they are, the better chance they have to keep it in avoiding a primary, which is really their only threat for, you know, I don't know, let's just say 75. It's probably closer to 80% of Republicans.

Starting point is 01:06:37 And so from their perspective, if they trash the place, as it were, and leave the government in shambles, it just means that the Democrats, when they come in, are going to have a theoretically harder time fixing it. There's just going to be more things, right? And so it makes complete sense for them to do this. But here's the thing. And this is just a moment to pivot to the last topic I want to talk to you about. we're going a little late and I appreciate you're you're hanging with us

Starting point is 01:07:11 the Democratic autopsy from 2024 I want to say came out but it didn't come out no it did it it was finished and apparently it was then buried and

Starting point is 01:07:26 there is I did see a thread from Christine Pelosi although it turns out she had blocked me on Twitter but I saw it anyways. I don't know why she blocked me. I've been nothing but a, well, I can I probably guess why she blocked me. But be that as it may, they put out a thread, which, you know, had some

Starting point is 01:07:53 helpful stuff insofar as like it talked about, wait, I don't have it here. I have it somewhere, but it's a lot of it was like best practices stuff, like the way that they were. were going to do sort of like ground game stuff. And, and, but none of it was, uh, none of it was based upon, um, any type of like positions or any type of like things that you would run on. It was really more about like what they put out was like when we do our, uh, field work, we should be doing X, Y, and Z. And yes, that's, I mean, that's helpful and that's good.

Starting point is 01:08:32 Best practices should be honed and whatnot. But there has, there was a, uh, field work. a very like explicit oh you can put this up here the the DNC here said that they're not going to put it out and the reason why is because

Starting point is 01:08:48 they've been winning in special elections so in other words like the anti-Trump fervor is enough we don't need to course correct on anything go to the next one by the way they promised they were going to release it and then they're backtracking Ken Martin

Starting point is 01:09:04 and then what they did do results driven organizing, you know, and it's a lot of, I'm sure some of this is very helpful. Talks about the youth swing vote. And again, you know, more or less like you need to do more podcasts or they say like, you know, we lost the game in terms of the media. But it was all, all. What did young people care about in this election that was not represented by the candidate at the top of the ticket? Just just thinking about it for one second, perhaps the genocide.

Starting point is 01:09:33 Look, we saw a bunch of polling that came out. out since, we know that one of the things, you know, the results driven organizing, one of the things that the Harris campaign did is when they sent out their field people, and this is amazing to me, too, because this was the problem with the Clinton campaign. The Clinton campaign, in lieu of having volunteers to go out and canvas, you know, prior to the get out the vote, they did modeling from like, it was like Eric Schmidt and this and that. and so they had no sense that there's a problem with the models because they didn't have people out there and you know we heard a lot of stories on the get out the vote in the week or two before

Starting point is 01:10:19 25% of the doors were knocking on are going to vote for Trump and that's a problem with your get out the vote you don't want to be doing your you're you know the people you're running get their job well Harris field people kept getting back we got a problem with Gaza and And to the point where at one point they said, okay, we're no longer, we don't want that feedback anymore. So they told canvassers, they told canvassers like, we don't report that to us anymore. We don't even want that data. We don't even want to know about it. We don't even want to know about it because they were so determined not to move from it.

Starting point is 01:10:58 And who knows if that was in the audit? We will never know. We may. Hopefully a good Samaritan leaks what happened in the autopsy. Honestly, I mean, to the press. It's so ridiculous to me. When I read that yesterday, I'm going, okay, so there's a big story now that you're refusing to release it. So it looks, again, this is like the Trump thing, right?

Starting point is 01:11:19 It looks like you're trying to hide something. Yeah. What could you possibly be hiding that we are unaware of that the last year we have spent going over and over this stuff? People have been talking about it. It's been out there. There's been polling. There's been discussions. We know that the report would have said.

Starting point is 01:11:36 would have, all it would have said was that it was codifying what we already know as a problem and that the party is aware of it and that the party understands that they needed to do something about it. That's all it would have done. And instead, it's going to be this big thing. I don't understand. Because they need plausible deniability. They need to be able to allow whomever it is, the abundance people or the, you know, the people who are using antiseption. as a way of shutting down, you know, anti-Israel perspective. Whatever it is, they need the plausible deniability. If they have the data themselves, it moves from like sort of an objective conversation

Starting point is 01:12:22 or it says subjective conversation into an objective one. And yeah, and Axios had an article today, and it's in the second line that several Democrats are, they basically say the axios, that bearing the. report unfairly helps former vice president Harris if she runs again and shields top party consultants by hiding potentially damaging information about their efforts.

Starting point is 01:12:46 This is a group of people institutionalists circling the wagons, closing the castle gates and basically fortifying and staying inside and trying to maintain their own power. This is not about the health of the party. This is not about changing

Starting point is 01:13:09 course even and maybe behind the scenes they'll say like, okay, we don't want to acknowledge this publicly but we will change course and I have a theory about that. But they, this is mostly about the people within the institution trying to maintain their own power and it's literally

Starting point is 01:13:25 leading us to fascism. It's a major problem. And one other point too is like when the this hurts their case on democracy. when they show such little transparency, whether it's even the shutting out of the idea of someone primaring Biden and just saying, like, we are maintaining this like current power structure and we're

Starting point is 01:13:50 going to charge ahead regardless of outside input and not having the respect for Democratic voters for them to be able to look at this kind of thing. Like it makes it seem and it seems clear to me that these are people prioritizing their own internal power within the party over actual democracy. And you perform democracy not just on election day. You do it by showing responsiveness to your own voters, including on the issue of the genocide, but including on people wanting desperate changes in leadership and transparency on what the hell happened. That's just a way to regain trust that you've lost. Yeah, absolutely. I couldn't agree with you more. And I think that I actually think it's not going to work. I don't think, I mean,

Starting point is 01:14:33 If you look at things like the No King's protests, you look at the voters in all these off-year elections, they're not buying it. And they're not following the Democratic line, whatever it is, because I don't even know what it is. I mean, I think the loss was so profound last November and the loss in the, you know, in the Congress and the way that the Congress has unfold. I mean, you look at the, look at the approval ratings of the Democratic Party. Let's go. We have that, actually, number 28. This is number 28. This is Harry Emden of CNN.

Starting point is 01:15:07 And, you know, Trump's approval is in the toilet. And Democrats have racked up big wins in these special elections. But it is, and it may be sustainable in November, let's hope, but it is not sustainable when you've got numbers like this. That's right now. Yeah, I mean, Democrats in the minds of the American public are low. Lower than the Dead Sea. What are we talking about here? Well, let's take a look. The net approval rating for Democrats in Congress. You said at Cape Baldwin, the lowest ever. Look at this. Overall, they are 55 points underwater. Their approval rating is south of 20%. It's even worse when you look at independence. Look at this. Negative 61 points. That means that their approval rating is 61 points lower than their disapproval rating. Quinnipiac has been polling this question for the better part of the 21st century. They have never. found Democrats, at least those in Congress, and we're shaped than they are right now.

Starting point is 01:16:06 That's independence and overall, but what about Democrats on Democrats? Yeah, what about Democrats on Democrats? So part of the reason overall is so low is independents are driving it low. But that's not the only reason it's so low. What about Democrats on Democrats? Democrats, not approval rating of congressional Democrats. I want you to keep in mind, they had never rated Democrats negatively until this year. And right now, what are we talking about? We're talking about a net approval rating from Democrats. This is Democrats on Democrats. Their approval rating is actually lower, lower than the disapproval rating.

Starting point is 01:16:38 And that is quite the drop from October. I think during the shutdown, there was a bit of a boost for Democrats, right? There was a rallying around the flag effect going on. But Democrats did not like how that shutdown turned out. They have returned against Democrats in Congress. And you mentioned Dan Goldman in that intro. One of the reasons that Dan Goldman is in trouble right now in a potential primary against Brad Ladner is because at this point the Democratic basis.

Starting point is 01:17:02 First of all, the numbers are the numbers. But Dan Goldman's has a problem because if it wasn't for four progressives splitting the vote last time, Dan Goldman would have come in fifth. And so, you know, that's, but be that as it may. But that is stunning. And Emma has a theory that they're looking at this autopsy, but they want to be able to interpret it. Well, then, okay, that's a good way to maybe just show this quick clip.

Starting point is 01:17:37 This is my theory. We texted this last night in our little group of this answer from Hakeem Jeffries. This is really quick here. He was on macro dosing, the Barstool podcast, interestingly. This is how they do outreach to the youths. And this answer from him is pretty good on the substance. But it's interesting that he's making this case now. And my theory is that this coincides with what the DNC found internally.

Starting point is 01:18:06 I was wondering, what is your view on the Trump brinkmanship towards Venezuela? Yeah, well, I'm not supportive of it at all. I think that this effort potentially to try to trigger regime change is very dangerous. We've seen this happen in other parts of the world, particularly in Iraq. It never works out. and the last thing that we need is another failed war. As a matter of fact, President Trump promised as candidate Trump, no more foreign wars. And he's doing the exact opposite by potentially triggering one as it relates to Venezuela.

Starting point is 01:18:44 I don't support the Maduro regime, but there are bad actors all across the world. And we've got a lot of problems here in this country that we need to resolve in order to make sure, that, you know, people have the ability to provide for themselves and their families. Far too many people, like literally middle class people, are struggling to live paycheck to paycheck. Cannot thrive and can barely survive. Let's work on that problem. Sounds like the majority report a little bit. Sounds like what we've been saying was we the most salient argument.

Starting point is 01:19:18 I was wondering, what is your view? This is what we've been saying. And, you know, this is a. straightforward political case. Why are our resources being going to funding a genocide when they could be here helping you materially at home? That's a very easy case that the Democrats can make if they are not captured on that front. And the fact that he's making this point now, when you, we just had Chuck Schumer, we play the clip of him last week, where he refused to answer Jake Tapper's question. Do we have that one? No, I don't think we have that one. I'll just explain it briefly. He

Starting point is 01:19:53 refuse to answer Jake Tapper's question about whether or not he supports the goal of regime change. Then you have a week later, Hakeem Jeffries drawing a distinction on that front. And my guess is they heard in this autopsy that the Democrats being supportive of the genocide or war or being perceived as such was a major problem for them. And it made people feel like this is what they care about and not my kitchen table issues and not my material needs. This is what we've been saying all along. Here is, let's play that clip of Chuck Schumer. And I would also remind people that when Trump brought, I can't remember his name now, the guy who's the extant of Venezuela, Guido, when he brought Juan Guido to the state of the union, the Democrats couldn't get out of their

Starting point is 01:20:48 seats fast enough to give him a standing ovation. Biden just hosted him as a rival. Yeah. The rival sort of like shadow president. I don't know where he's gone. Now, I imagine he's working for some investment firm. But here is Chuck Schumer. This is just seven days ago. Do you disagree with President Trump's ultimate goal of regime change in Venezuela? Look, the bottom line is, President Trump throws out so many different things in so many different You don't even know what the heck he's talking about. You know, obviously if Maduro would just flee on his own, everyone would like that. But we don't know what the heck he's up to when he talks about that.

Starting point is 01:21:29 So it's very, very, you cannot say, I endorse this, I endorse that when Trump is all over the lot, not very specific and very worrisome. Not specific. Okay, okay. That is like definitionally not the bottom line. That is not true. When you ask, do you agree with regime change in? Venezuela. And you start with the bottom line is and then start talking about stuff that is clearly

Starting point is 01:21:55 like almost close to the top line. You know, like do I agree with regime change in Venezuela? Where the heck is Donald Trump? One day it's blue, one day it's red. We don't know who, what he's talking about. Like I'm very confused. I have no idea. Right. And here he is, speaking about regime change, here he is going after Donald Trump. Was this prior, this is prior to bombing Iran, right? Yes, this is what it looked like Trump might not. This is how you say supposedly this is how you get

Starting point is 01:22:26 against regime change. Here it is Chuck Schumer. When it comes to negotiating with the terrorist government of Iran, Trump's all over the lot. One day he sounds tough. The next day he's backing off. And now, all of a sudden, we find out that Whitkoff and Rubio

Starting point is 01:22:42 are negotiating a secret side deal with Iran. No. All is this. They're going to sound tough public and then have a side deal that lets Iran get away with everything? That's outrageous. We need to make that side deal public. Any side deal should be before Congress and most importantly the American. Look, here's the thing.

Starting point is 01:23:00 Here's the thing. You ask me, should we blow up the world? I want to, here's the bottom line. Donald Trump's all over the place. I can't tell if he's excited to blow off the world or if he's that about blowing up the world. Does he want to blow up the world on a Tuesday or does he want to do it on a Thursday? or is he want to do it on a Thursday? Or is this something we should do on the weekend?

Starting point is 01:23:21 I can't get my arms around it. It's too confusing. He didn't do the wrong procedure. He wants to blow up the world, but he didn't file the right way. The bottom line is. Yeah. It's the process. You can't.

Starting point is 01:23:35 Wait. He's saying one day he wants to blow up the world. The next day he wants to blow up seven, eight to the world. I'm confused. I can't follow any of it. Oh my. side deal. I mean, this is the thing.

Starting point is 01:23:52 I mean, he's probably the worst example of all. And unfortunately, he's the highest elected leader in the Democratic Party. And he's the worst example. And I mean, you know, he's not alone by any means. But this is what's driving people crazy. I just want to say, though, that, you know, we look at those numbers of, you know, people being upset with the Democratic Party, you know, in, I mean, really. upset with the Democratic Party and Democrats themselves feeling that way.

Starting point is 01:24:22 I mean, those are terrible numbers. But I think that what people are doing is saying, I'm not listening to those people. I don't care about that. You know, that's not what I'm doing. You know, I think that they are becoming irrelevant to voters, that they're no longer something that you take into consideration. And they're coming out, I mean, if you look at the, I mean, people are voting for Democrats in deep red districts.

Starting point is 01:24:47 where they haven't voted for a Democrat in, you know, in decades. They're voting for Democrats in places like Miami. I mean, this is a protest vote. It's obviously just, you know, an absolute reaction against Donald Trump. And the way I'm choosing to look at this is I think, you know, people like us who talk about the Democratic Party and who, you know, care about policy and who are trying to work their way, you know, or trying to, you know, force the Democratic Party to change direction. I think what Emma says is absolutely true.

Starting point is 01:25:17 I think on some level, if you listen to Hakeem Jeffries, that's working, that that is actually pushing them. They know that they're in trouble and they're listening to people, voters, they're listening to people like you. They're reading things that they're kind of good look. And maybe that autopsy said it right out, said, look, you've got to change here and they just don't want to say it publicly. I'm hopeful that's it. But whatever it is, the people themselves are the ones who are going to make the difference here. They're not listening to these people. They're doing their own thing.

Starting point is 01:25:46 They're coming out and they're voting against Donald Trump. They're voting for their own. You know, there's certain, you know, candidates and people that they like, you know, Mamdani being a perfect example of it in the biggest city in the country. They're coming out and, you know, they're supporting that kind of thing. And I, you know, it's my, the only thing I feel hopeful about, and I'm feeling very cynical about this country and the horrifying job that's going to be left for us. If it perchance we actually defeat this, you know, horrible magam movement and move on.

Starting point is 01:26:16 to something else. It's not going to be easy. It's going to be really tough. But I am hopeful about this idea that I think that it's the people who are leading. The Democrats are not leading. They're following. And that's what they need to do. They need to shut up. We need to get Chuck Schumer, just don't stop talking. Stop helping. You're not doing anything. But I don't think people are listening to him. I think they're coming out and they're voting. They're coming out to these big protests. They're doing that stuff. And that's the one thing we have going for. People are coming out in the streets in places like Minneapolis. They're coming out in Chicago and in Charlotte, North Carolina and blowing whistles to try and help their immigrant neighbors when ICE comes to

Starting point is 01:26:56 town. I mean, this is, you know, that's kind of inspiring to me. I mean, they're taking their own safety into, you know, I mean, they're doing something. They're doing something, I guess, is what I'm saying. And so, you know, I don't want to sound like a polyana because I don't feel that way at all. But I do think that there's some hope in that. That the party itself, let's just put it this way. They'd better be listening. They better be listening because this is the future. I have, I have given up on the concept of the party listening and more like just, you know, people who align with our issue set winning. Like, you know, like we're, you know, just get out of the way. Yeah, get out of the way. Yeah, get out of the way. Party. Yeah, whatever. And I will say

Starting point is 01:27:42 this. If you look at the Senate, if the Democrats are in a position to take the Senate back, it is going to be a function of people who are decidedly to the left on a lot of issues from the Democratic, like from the center of the Democratic Party. Like I'm thinking, you know, I think the best chance that Democrats have to take the main, you know, beat Susan Collins is going to come from Platner, who is decidedly to the left of, you know, Mills. Not just Mills, but I'm saying like the most of the Democratic Senate caucus. And, you know, in Nebraska, Osborne wouldn't be a Democrat,

Starting point is 01:28:32 but to the extent that he would be engaging a lot of these issues in maybe eight out of ten, seven out of ten, he's going to be to the left of the left of the, your, you know, mainstream Democrat. You can look like in Iowa and Alaska, there could be pickups there will be slightly to the left, certainly of where we are now, maybe, you know, Texas, Florida. Even North Carolina, Roy Cooper is not a, it's not a, you know, right wing guy, even though he's from the south. Yeah, he's not like, you know, Sam Nunn or somebody like, you know, like that.

Starting point is 01:29:05 It wouldn't be a flip, but Peggy Flanagan in Minnesota is a supporter of Medicare for all, for example. Yeah, I mean, so in almost. every indicate, like, if they take back the Senate, it's going to be decidedly to the left of where it was when they held the Senate just a couple years ago. And so that is an indication that this stuff is working. And I don't think Chuck Schumer is going to be a Senate majority leader or even Senate minority leader in, you know, come this time, well, I guess January of 2027. So I totally agree. Either way, whether they take the Senate or not,

Starting point is 01:29:42 I think Schumer is, Schumer is his penis is going to be his last year. But it would be nice to not have the standard be ignoring leadership and having grassroots energy. Like having the grassroots energy that you're talking about be in spite of it. If we could have someone like a Van Hollen come in and be a vocal voice for what the party stands for as the top Democrat in the Senate. Yeah. What he stands for? What is that? What are you talking about?

Starting point is 01:30:14 I know. Chuck Schumer is. You're talking about principles or something? I mean, that's the values. What is that? It's all over the lot. Oh, come on. Yeah, she's all over the lot.

Starting point is 01:30:23 Listen, she's all over the lot. Here's what we're going to do in 2026. It's going to make everything different. Two words. Social media. We're going to do the social media. We're going to do the social media.

Starting point is 01:30:36 We're going to do the social media. Everything is, you'll see. Everything's social. You'll see. I got the Baileys. I get the Baileys, uh, have now fiber.

Starting point is 01:30:48 Fiber internet. Wow. Yes. Wow. Fiber internet. Did they get TikTok on the, I got the TikTok. On the Bayleys.

Starting point is 01:30:58 The Ta-in-Talk for the Bayleys. Yeah. So the fiber is good. You'll see. You'll see. You don't. Don't count me out. Heather.

Starting point is 01:31:10 Oh, God. Well. We made it through another year. We did. Barely, but we're here. We are here. And I look forward to talking to you many more times in 2026. And may 2026 be better than 2025.

Starting point is 01:31:29 Well, that was ridiculous to say that. I know. Well, we don't want it to be worse. I mean, my God. I suspect it's going to be a little bit. Well, I will say, just as an end to this. year because this is the final Friday of the year that my fears about the ease in which we could slide into an authoritarian regime have been slightly assuaged but largely in part because of the

Starting point is 01:32:01 way slightly largely in part because of the way that people came out have come out on the streets and have fought against ice that and and and in part because of what we're seeing like with the DOJ falling apart and and judges pushing back in a way that, uh, I think is, is healthy. And, um, the inability of the Republicans to maintain their caucus, uh, in many respects. So I think there's going to be elections in 2026. I think Trump is going to do his best to sort of like undermine what comes out of that. But I only think there's only so much he can do, particularly when we have these

Starting point is 01:32:41 type of you know what we're seeing in terms of like the redistricting and just where people are so Heather there's war so you know but I don't think there's always war yeah and I don't think there'll be a rally around the flag

Starting point is 01:32:56 for the Venezuela thing I don't think so I don't think the right's going to go along with it and I think the left is going to completely explode it's I mean they did their best with making Hugo Chavez a like a demon and like nobody like 98 out of a hundred Americans have no have never heard the word

Starting point is 01:33:15 Maduro and you know to the extent that they never registered there's just it's very very difficult and think that as well as an island they I'm quite convinced I'm surrounded by an armada I would bet you that 25% a healthy 25% of the American public think then as well as in the Middle East

Starting point is 01:33:33 and by the way I think that includes Donald Trump I think he's among that 25% because I mean, yeah, it's an oil place. Anyway, it's just that's, you know, the next time I come on, we have to make a point of talking about the new Trump national security strategy. It's beyond. It's beyond. Monroe Doctrine. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:33:58 Yeah. Crazy. Yeah. Anyway. But. Heather, have a great holiday and a wonderful new year. and we will see you in 2026. I'll be here.

Starting point is 01:34:10 Happy New Year, everybody. Thanks, Heather. Thanks a lot. All right, folks. We're going to have a freebie Friday. Whoa. Yes. Can I take a quick break for a second?

Starting point is 01:34:22 Okay, you take a break. And I'll just do this. Have your fun. We're going to have some social media time. They're going to sound tough in public and then have a side deal that lets Iran get away with everything. What is this bullshit? I can't tell if he wants to bomb Venezuela or invade Venezuela, so I can't answer your question, Jake.

Starting point is 01:34:47 It's crazy how it's all over the place. He's all over the place. Bo Bills. We never, do we ever play that? No. Honestly, I think like, like, I, I am convinced. I know this is diluted, but I am convinced that 10% of that is because he knows I'm a Patriots fan. Go bills.

Starting point is 01:35:11 Because he does say they beat the Patriots right after that. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, he, like, I want to talk about the horrible killings and everything that's going on, but I just want to say the bills beat the Patriots, Sam. I'm making, I'm not making up any of that except for the Sam part. Right. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:35:38 That was the unspoken part of that, though. Let's read some. IMs. We have very few IMs. Is that because we were down? What's going on? I'm not sure. We've been pretty solid for an hour and a half now.

Starting point is 01:35:58 June Oliver. Here we go again. Yes. We cannot figure out what's going on. We don't know if it's like an internal internet. I think here we go again. Also is Melania, right? No.

Starting point is 01:36:09 That is. Oh, yeah. The, uh, the, the, uh, the new documentary. Oh, yeah. Here we go again. Yes. He'll go again.

Starting point is 01:36:17 She's, they wrote. Here we go again. Nefarious bread. My Max left Beanie arrived today. Love it. Dizzle McFizzle. Disappointed the stream went down. Sam is my new favorite version of Sam.

Starting point is 01:36:35 The Deep State is attacking my favorite show. It's okay, Sam. We're still here. I mean, Ken Martin's little note did mention D-DOS attacks. Yep. Didn't mention gossip. Yep. Nassai County spokesperson.

Starting point is 01:36:49 not meeting deadline to release Epstein files. Amy from the UK, hi guys, I feel confident enough to try and find a girlfriend where better to find a progressive girl than in the MR Discord server. Yes, you I am just that. In person would be a better place, though.

Starting point is 01:37:05 I have to say. In person is better, but listen, I got nothing. Good luck out there, but no, I honestly like, listen, when I got divorced at age like 53, or whatever it was, 52. I think back, like, what would have been if I was a divorce guy in, like, in, like, 1987?

Starting point is 01:37:29 Like, it would have been difficult to go meet people unless you're willing to, like, go hang out at bars. You think it was harder back then? Much harder. It was making those VHS dating. Interesting, because the prevailing wisdom is that it's, like, everyone's more alienated now.

Starting point is 01:37:44 I think, listen, I think there are problems without a doubt with, socialization. with like the dating apps. There's no doubt. And I don't know that it's necessarily better for people in their 20s and their 30s. I'm just talking like a 52-year-old,

Starting point is 01:38:00 53-year-old who's like half a shut-in who's not, you know, it's like I'm not, I don't go to, you know, the reason why I keep referencing the same party over and over again with the Z biotics at is because that's the party I went to this year. So it's not like, and it was a party that like,

Starting point is 01:38:19 the opportunity like to meet uh you know like there was no single people at that party um and so uh but if you're 20 or you're 30 or this and that you know hopefully you're going out and you're building your social network because it it drops off once you have kids and this and that unless you really set up in a uh you're really not interested in raising your children well no no I know people you know like I've met people who like they're they're you know they all had kids around the same time there are couples who live like within like a couple of neighborhoods of each other and I'm like oh that's great you know the the closest like uh like there was like a 15 year difference between my kids and like my

Starting point is 01:39:09 friends kids and it's like they don't play together so uh scary carry Who is trying to take MR down? Oh, Emma, you're back? Yeah, I've been here for a minute. Okay, well, Matt got me set off on a... Oh, uh, crawling into the new year. Well, yes. Sam gets scared by Emma's presence.

Starting point is 01:39:38 Whoa. Who's there? We made eye contact. What? Oh, God. Let's sneak up on me like that. Hold on. I need to, uh...

Starting point is 01:39:49 We need to bring this thing back with the shower curtain, though, but not clear. I should say, oh, I got to tell this story. I meant to do this. Okay. I'll be quick about it. So I was supposed to, I'm going to, you know, a different state. I'm not going to say which one. Okay.

Starting point is 01:40:11 But I'm going to my girlfriend's family for Christmas. And Wyoming. Wyoming. it's the Cheney's And Your girlfriend, Liz Lynn It's a track

Starting point is 01:40:27 Sam doesn't know the difference Listen But the Dick Cheney's passed away Right Right she's a widower Oh right Prime Similar age

Starting point is 01:40:37 More room for some masculine energy Yeah Prime room for you to swoop in I mean You'd be like I have a full head of hair Your ex-husband lost it Really early on New Alpha comes to Chey Ann

Starting point is 01:40:48 Want to try some I'll let people speculate on that. But one of the things that my girlfriend's family does is that instead of just like getting you know, there's so many kids that you get assigned somebody that you give a gift to. And it's supposed to be handmade. Oh my gosh. And so it's a lot of pressure. It's a lot of pressure, particularly like I have very little skills in handmaking anything.

Starting point is 01:41:18 You love woodworking. That's like one of the only things you like to do. That's true. So I wanted to make a little tray. Like I love like trays where you put your keys in, right? Because it keeps you organized. Yeah. And it reminds you like I got to leave it here because I think I have a little bit of scattered brain.

Starting point is 01:41:37 And so I thought this would be a great gift to give to Tristan, who is the guy I got, who is my girlfriend's brother-in-law. Okay. And so I ordered, but I wanted to make it in walnut. Mm-hmm. And so I ordered some walnut planks, like tiny ones like this. And the idea is I got a small jigsaw. And I watched on Instagram how to make it and I'm prepared to do it. And I was going to do it sand it.

Starting point is 01:42:07 And I, you know, I bought a clamp to put it on my table and I was going to cut it. And then you glue it. And I had the whole thing. And I bought all the ingredients for it. but I had to order the walnut wood because there's nowhere I can find where you can buy small planks of walnut wood. I'm not going to put it on a big table saw. And then I'm like, it may not come. And so I bought one on Etsy.

Starting point is 01:42:35 That was handmade, but not by me. Why are you revealing this? Well, because I felt bad about it. And so. So you're cleaning yourself. I'm cleansing myself. By admitting things. But the reason why I'm saying this story is because this is what I'm handmaking, the story on a show that I make.

Starting point is 01:42:58 Oh. And so Tristan's going to, I'm going to send him a link to this segment and he's going to watch it. And there you go. That's clever. And so for the audience of the other 70,000 people who will see this, I'm sorry. I just took two and a half minutes to do that. But like that's one of the, this is my wood shop. It's your show.

Starting point is 01:43:19 Your name's on those IKEA panels. You get to do what you want. The show is also a present to my nieces and my sisters and their husbands and my father. Yes. I wish I could do this. Merry Christmas to everyone and happy Hanukkah and happy New Year's. Yes. If anybody else wants to give this as a show.

Starting point is 01:43:37 Every American will soon receive their own medbed card. There you go. What do we have here? Okay. What you? Huh? Oh. Oh, no.

Starting point is 01:43:56 Here's one. Here's number 21. Let's go through this. You know what? Let's hold on to this. Okay. We'll talk about this later. This whole, like, white guys are getting discriminated against the story that has come out.

Starting point is 01:44:10 Tell me about it. The only, do you want to do this James Talleyco thing? It's kind of, yeah, let's do 13. The Senate primary in Texas is really an important one. I've found Jasmine Crockett to be a very useful partisan in many contexts. I think she's talented and has star power and can do the attacking Republicans thing within like the context of committees really, really well. But I think that there are major concerns about her as a statewide candidate in

Starting point is 01:44:44 Texas. And additionally, she's made some comments that are, I just think, really poorly conceived, like the one that was going viral the other day where she said something about like, we're done picking cotton, kind of referring to immigrants. It's just not, like, if there is, if Blue Texas is anything, you know, but a mirage that we've spoken about every other election cycle or whatever, it could be this. year. Mirage that makes consultants rich. Right.

Starting point is 01:45:17 It could be this year because one, you have a primary in the Republican Senate, right, with Cornyn and the crazy criminal Ken Paxton, right, Matt? And then on the Democratic side, you have Talarico and Jasmine Crockett. And neither of these candidates are like really left wing or somebody like a Bernie Sanders or an AOC that we can feel like, okay, this is more. representative of our ideology. But I just, Talariko is doing this kind of, you know, kindness Christian thing that I think could be really potent because Trump is so obviously sadistic. And he's more principled than I think

Starting point is 01:45:59 you might think. This was a question at a town hall he had where he was asked about Gaza. And I thought his answer was pretty good. What would you say to people who would think that were not as cultivated? in foreign policy in the Senate that's maybe some of yours and what do you plan to do once you're in the Senate to come to speed or what policies would you focus on? Yeah, it's a great question. I don't bring a lot of D.C. experience to this risk, I'll be honest with you. But I think that the experience I bring as a public school teacher, as a fighter for working people in the halls and the state capital, is exactly the kind of experience we need in Washington, D.C. I'm the

Starting point is 01:46:38 outsider, and I think we need more outsider energy in our nation's capital. But I'll be honest with you. I haven't legislated on foreign policy as a skateboard maker. But I do have strong opinions. I do have strong views. And I have already started to articulate those positions on the campaign trail. I want to talk about one in particular that I think is ways on my part as an educator, as someone who works with kids. And that's what's happening in Gaza.

Starting point is 01:47:03 The theologian who said, I screamed at God for the starving children until I realized the starving children was God screaming at me. God is screaming at all of us in Gaza as we speak. I will use every bit of financial and diplomatic leverage that this country has to end the atrocities in Palestine. I will not use your tax dollars to fund these more crimes. I will go to ban offensive weapons to Israel. And I have never taken a dime from APAC and I have already committed to radical. I would refuse to be implicit in the death and destruction in Gaza.

Starting point is 01:47:47 and I will never use your tax dollars to support the killing in that part of the world. And it makes me sick to my stomach to see what's happening. And I hope in this campaign here in Texas we can send a crystal clear message to the rest of the country that we are done to be complicit. So again, not a perfect answer. He said offensive weapons. He doesn't say the word genocide there. But I think one, there's a significantly large Muslim population in Texas. It's, I think, a top five state just in terms of raw total numbers.

Starting point is 01:48:20 But you don't have to be Muslim or Arab to be motivated to vote for somebody or not vote for somebody based on the genocide in Gaza. And Crockett has taken A-PAC money. And I think she's softened her stance a little bit. She has, yeah, maybe not in this race, but definitely in the house. And so it's just something to note there because that is going to be, you know, the fault lines will be drawn on. this and I found that to be a more encouraging answer than what then you would expect in a state like Texas which you know infamously remember they they were at the heart of those BDS laws remember that case about that woman who was they're still

Starting point is 01:49:01 I mean those laws still in effect but yes she was a speech therapist and had a contract to work for public schools and she lost her job because they had found that she had supported boycotting Israel yep so it's a Again, not a perfect answer, of course, but this is this primary is immensely important because to bring it back to what I was saying a little bit earlier, like, we're seeing numbers about the Latino vote with Donald Trump. And he made significant gains with the Latino vote in the last election because of the economy in many ways. And he said he was going to go after criminals and the Democrats didn't do a good job of articulating that he was lying with these immigration rates. but pairing the way the economy is going with these immigration rates, you're going to have depressed turnout.

Starting point is 01:49:49 Those numbers that turned out for Trump in 2024 guarantee you it's going to be very different in 2026 when he's not at the top of the ticket and when people are feeling the implications of what he's done. And so he's cratering with the Latino voters. So like we don't know what the electorate in Texas, given the high percentage of Latino voters in that state is going to even look like who's going to turn out in 2026, who's not going to turn out in 2026. And I just, I think Tala Rico has maybe a shot here. And that's all the point. Just known the APEC thing. She has not taken money from APEC for campaigns. She has taken a trip to Israel paid for by the American Israel Education Foundation,

Starting point is 01:50:31 which is associated with APEC. But there's not like a track APEC graphic for her. No. Oh, I'm really sorry then. I mean, she's still, I think probably, significantly pro-Israel. There's a picture of her on one of those trips. I'm so sorry.

Starting point is 01:50:50 I don't know why I thought that so. Because of her rhetoric. But, thank you for the correction. But the thing is, and this is going to be a thing to watch going forward, is that a lot of people will say, I don't take APEC money.

Starting point is 01:51:02 And then they'll take money from the A-E-I-I-R, like Jasmine Crockett or DMFI. So, like, this is a broader thing. and when the one thing I'll say about Tala Rico and Crockett is Crockett I believe the state with the largest black population is Texas

Starting point is 01:51:19 I think Crockett's going to do very well with that. If Tala Rico can crack into that, I think he has a better chance with the Latinos in Texas and I think that's how Tala RICO wins. But I, it's too really for me to bet on who I think is going to win out of this.

Starting point is 01:51:35 Let's take a moment to acknowledge that that 2026 is going to be an uphill climb for Donald Trump. I'm talking just in terms of energy. We watched his speech the other night that he had to race through. And for some reason, like, I think they, I honestly do think that they capitalize certain words. And that's why he sort of yelled into the mic at different times. And I think it was a way to keep him awake.

Starting point is 01:52:04 Because I think there is an increasing problem with Donald Trump falling asleep. Now, here, now, put this image up. I don't want you to play it yet. They are so concerned with Donald Trump passing away and falling asleep in office that they have them surrounded by doctors now at all times in the White House. They bring in, and I think there's. A Halloween party. I think there's a pastor there too, ready to issue last. rights. But no, this is obviously a signing of him reclassifying cannabis and marijuana as a

Starting point is 01:52:51 schedule. Three is it? Three was what it was. Oh, maybe it's a one, where it's basically now like the equivalent of a prescription drug. And what it does is it's going to allow research to go forward. it is going to make federal offenses much less. It's going to also probably, I would imagine, open up things, loosen up things in terms of banking. Yeah. Now, rescheduling it, I'm sorry, from Schedule 1,

Starting point is 01:53:23 to Schedule 3, which puts it like with Tylenol and code. Well, Tylenol and coding. Yeah. So it's going from a 1 to 3, and it's basically prescription drug level. Right. But not like opioid prescription drug. It's like coding. And so this is going to make for a big difference.

Starting point is 01:53:44 Now, this process, again, started by Joe Biden. He slow walked it. I imagine he would have done this in his second term to the extent that he would have been around for it. But here's the thing. Trump is so excited by this. It's unclear. Like, if he, it's quite possible. I just want to be generous with this and charitable.

Starting point is 01:54:07 He could have basically eaten some brownies beforehand to celebrate. Just I want to show everybody. Before I sign this, I want to make sure that this is safe. I would make sure this is safe. And take one of these sleep gummies. It's a picture. Stand number three, who is a danger? And it is knowledge that will allow us to optimally.

Starting point is 01:54:34 benefit, take the benefits that may be behind Kalakis as research shows, but on the other hand also enable us better to do prevention interventions to protect those that are most people. Are you sure he's not just playing games on his phone? I just don't go. Oh, there we go. I'm going to open his eyes here. I'm a lake. I'm awake.

Starting point is 01:55:00 I'm awake. I'm awake. Somebody say my name. God, the way his eyes slow clothes like that reminds me of my cats, right, as they're about to fall asleep for their nap. It reminds you of some kind of cold-blooded animal that, like, can't move when the sun is on the lizard? Like a lizard? He's like, eh. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:55:19 Or is a lizard on a hot rock. Oh, my gosh. On a cold rock. I mean, to be fair, the guy is probably, like, awake until four in the morning. Yeah. Just thinking, like, Epstein files. Epstein files. God damn it.

Starting point is 01:55:35 God damn it. Was it worth it? It was worth it. Show me to leave it to it. What can we do? What can we do? Where's my rake? Where's my roy cone?

Starting point is 01:55:43 Oh, I have it. And they still can't stop it. I have my roy cone. I still can't stop it. Right. Still can't stop it. He needs marijuana to be classified now because he needs his anxiety to go down

Starting point is 01:55:56 with all the Epstein stuff coming out. So it's medicinal for him now. A scary carry of my lunch break is ruined. without MR. Who's this app dead? Yes, okay. Go real estate. Sam, are you a nail bitter?

Starting point is 01:56:11 Let me see your hands. Another thing come. By the way, you're having connection issues. You do, bite my nails. Yeah. You do too? I do, too. Anybody associate with the show?

Starting point is 01:56:23 Pretty much if you have an issue. One to one to one. When I do like those, like a media appearance, sometimes I'll, I pick at my fingernails so badly. When I did Tim Poole, I came out and I went to the bathroom and my finger was just like, like I'd ripped off part of my skin and CNN. So you can stay like still up top. I know, but like I don't even feel it at the time. It's it's crazy. It's adrenaline. 629 area code pediatric. Schedule 1 means high risk of abuse addiction with no medicinal benefits. Schedule 2 is a high risk with some medicinal benefit.

Starting point is 01:56:56 Schedule 3 is moderate abuse potential and has medicinal benefit. Nailed it. And Kowalski, Nebraska. Howdy Majority Report. In some good personal news, my YouTube channel Prairie Fire, Nebraska got to 10,000 subs last night. Woo. And I had a video get 115,000 views. Damn. Binder says the algorithm likes farm content, so he's not too surprised to see the success.

Starting point is 01:57:26 Personally, I feel like I'm breaking the glass ceiling for opinionated heteronormative cis white men expressing their thoughts on the which has never been done before. But regardless, I want to thank M.R. and Left Reckoning and the associated communities for their support. Should have a new video out this weekend, left his best. If you are a white man and have like a truck or something and you can take a video that looks aesthetically like a right wing one, now is your time to tap in and propagandize with that aesthetic. Yeah, that's helpful. Let's see what else we got here.

Starting point is 01:58:01 You want to do some CPAC stuff? Or not CPAC. Let's do that in a second. The board that is in charge of the Kennedy Center had a vote to change the name of the Kennedy Center to, can anybody guess? This is the board of the trustees of the John F. Kennedy Center for Performing Arts, voted Thursday to rename the facility. The Robert Lee Center. After both the former president, that would be Kennedy, and of course, a huge patron of the arts, Donald Trump.

Starting point is 01:58:45 The Kennedy Center Board voted unanimously today to name the institution the Donald J. Trump and the John F. Kennedy Memorial Center for the Performing Arts. Now, we're showing Phantom of the Opera every night. But here's the question. Why would it be the Donald J. Trump and John F. Kennedy Memorial Center? Is it possible that Donald Trump has already passed away? And that's a, uh, there is a two Trump theory all over again. Is there a two Trump theory out there? They wear, they wear different

Starting point is 01:59:27 tie colors. Oh, which Trump there is. Slightly less red. The problem is that the person they got to impersonate Trump is, uh, 98 years. old and that's why he keeps falling asleep so much. At an Oval Office event later that day, Trump said he was honored and surprised by the vote. This was brought up by one of the very distinguished board members and they voted on it. There's a lot of board members and they voted unanimously. So surprised by this.

Starting point is 01:59:57 Well, it may not come to a surprise to the rest of you that the vote was in fact. fact, not unanimous. One of the ways to get to a unanimous vote is to keep people who are going to vote against it from factually voting. This is Representative Joyce Beatty, who sits on that very board. I'm Congresswoman Joyce Beatty. I'm sitting here in my congressional office in Washington, D.C., just ending a call with the Kennedy Center, where I serve as an ex-officio member. I am I am bringing this to you live today because what you may hear is that there was a unanimous vote to rename the Kennedy Center, the Trump Center. Be clear. I was on that call. And as I tried to push my button to voice my concern, to ask questions, and certainly not to vote in support of this,

Starting point is 02:01:02 I was muted. Each time I tried to speak, I was muted. participants were not allowed to voice their concerns who were online. Yet it was said at the end it was a unanimous vote. Clearly, the Congress has a say in this. This center, the Kennedy Center, was created by the Congress. I think it's important for us to know that this is just another attempt to evade the law and not let the people have a say. As a strong supporter of the arts,

Starting point is 02:01:43 as someone during my entire time here in Congress, I have participated in the Kennedy Center's programs, and I salute all the artists who have performed there. Okay. I hope RFK Jr. is very, very proud. And I would like to see Donald Trump renamed, the well I guess the RFK

Starting point is 02:02:12 bridge is now the used to be the Triboro Bridge RFK Junior Bridge maybe maybe no I think it should be the Trump Bridge let's just do it I was going to say you call the like the Trump Kennedy Junior Center instead of the Trump Kennedy Center this this could be a great way this could be a great way to get

Starting point is 02:02:34 the Kennedy Legacy complete completely erased from our body politic. Everything that is named Kennedy should be replaced with Trump. And then we just go back and we get it back to the Triborough Bridge and, uh, the, et cetera, et cetera. Call it the Melania Trump, uh, reservoir in the Central Park too. Yes. Let's just go through the whole thing.

Starting point is 02:02:59 Um, Andy Kim, a senator from New Jersey tweeted out these photos showing that they were already physically changing the sign on the Kennedy's Center prior to this vote. What a surprise, though. I'm so surprised. It's like, we didn't know what that. We didn't know what it was. Let's see those pictures.

Starting point is 02:03:17 Oh, I just search Kennedy Center and you can find it, but I can also send it. What in the bag? I'm so surprised, though. How did they, the one of the things that's great about the Kennedy Center workers, they're all clairvoyance. We only hire people who can see it to the future. Oh, look at that. I'm so surprised.

Starting point is 02:03:37 Also, you got my notes on the fonts, right? No, go to the next one. Maybe they show the, yeah, there was another photo that I saw, too, that showed that the font is very similar that they're using. But it's just extremely, extremely pathetic. I love symbolic manipulation. It's really great when the prices are really high, too high to, like, buy a computer, like, look for a new apartment.

Starting point is 02:04:04 That names of things change. It's expensive. expensive, but keep in mind I changed the name of the Kennedy Center, so. I'd like to see let Nick go out and say that. Yes. They're calling it Gilbert and Sullivan

Starting point is 02:04:20 and Trump. Should we hear from the medical experts in the country? Incidentally, should we start with Mehmet Oz? Or should we start with Kennedy? Let's start with

Starting point is 02:04:34 Kennedy. We should tell you that But not only have we broken a record with measles cases, which in this country was all but done with 20 years ago. We now have chicken soup in a day off. 2,000 cases of measles in the country. It is burning through South Carolina, apparently. And here is, and we also have a new problem, whooping cough, which is, of course, really dangerous for children. Is there a vaccine for that?

Starting point is 02:05:10 There is a vaccine for that, but because of... I'm how old I am, I had that as a kid. But is there a needle involved? That's scary. We now have... Congratulations to Robert Kennedy. His anti-vax program now has increased the spread of whooping cough because they've created enough...

Starting point is 02:05:35 enough of vaccine hesitancy that people are no longer getting back. So it's not just anti-vax people too who are doing this. It's all the, you know, the babies from like COVID who are like, I'm not gonna,

Starting point is 02:05:54 I'm not a sheeple. I'm gonna subject my child to perhaps the whooping cough. But perhaps more, more disgusting. Well, more disgusting. Here is

Starting point is 02:06:11 RFK Jr. going out and basically using the power and we should say the Biden administration tried to do this with Medicaid and Medicare in terms of like abortion rights and the Supreme Court rejected it.

Starting point is 02:06:27 I imagine this is illegal. This would be found illegal if you didn't have a Supreme Court where they are just anti-trans as a matter of, that's just their perspective. But here is Kennedy announcing that they're going to revoke funding from hospitals that get any type of Medicare or Medicaid, which is basically every hospital in the country. if they are offering any type of gender affirming care. The FDA, oh, go ahead, let's just play this, and then we'll just add to it.

Starting point is 02:07:07 Additionally, CMS is proposing two new rules. The first rule are hospitals that participate in Medicare and Medicaid, which is almost every hospital, from performing these dangerous and harmful procedures. The second rule prohibits the federal Medicaid. from funding the sex-rejecting procedures on minors. The FDA is issuing warning letters to 12 manufacturers of breast binders, which are medical devices used for purposes such as assistance in recovery

Starting point is 02:07:39 from cancer-related mastectomies. The FDA is telling these companies that the illegal marketing of breastbinders to children for the purpose of treating gender dysphoria commits significant regulatory violence, violations and requires swift congressional or corrective action. If the manufacturers don't comply, they could face enforcement actions, including product seizures. Okay, that last part are binders, which use to flatten breast tissue.

Starting point is 02:08:15 Now, no word if we're also going to impose these restrictions on girls who want to have breast reduction surgery, which happens, just because... That's illegal now. You got to go with what God gave you unless. We should also say, they say minors, but it's anybody under the age of 20. So now you're a minor if you are 18 or 19 in this instance, according to the Trump administration. So this is, they're just, you know, building their case. Well, it's not even just the surgeries.

Starting point is 02:09:01 What's amazing, like they've kept, they used the image of the graphic imagery of surgeries to use it to ban basically all gender affirming care broadly for minors if you're going to be using the government, you know, which is the largest payer for health care in this country. Not even if you're using the government. If the hospital gets any funding for anybody else on Medicaid or Medicare, which is, of course, every hospital. And this comes on the heels of the House yesterday. I headlined this. Passing Marjorie Taylor Greens, just the new right-wing populace that we should all be working with, the Protect Children's Innocence Act,

Starting point is 02:09:40 which passed mostly along party lines, but the bill, if it becomes law, would open health care providers to felony charges up to 10 years in prison if they treat young people under the age of 18 with puberty blockers, hormones, and surgeries. The legislation would also punish anyone, including parents, who consent to or transports a minor to care. So it's never been about one, the surgeries, which they use because, yeah,

Starting point is 02:10:06 surgery has graphic imagery, creates anxiety in people. That's what they try to deploy. It's never been about that because they're also going after puberty blockers and hormones. Now, puberty blockers are used on cisgender children quite frequently. We'll be curious to see if that applies to them as well because sometimes puberty starts too early and medically it's appropriate for a pediatrician to use that on somebody. Hormones as well are necessary for cisgender children as well in addition to trans kids. What does that mean for that? I don't know. But how are they going to make a differentiation with this directive too by HHS if it's legal? I don't know. Anybody who participated in the fearmongering about trans people's health care also help the right

Starting point is 02:10:52 wing not only go after abortion because those two issues are the same thing, which is that we can't trust y'all to be empowered over your health care. We need to step in and have the government get into it, but it's also the same thing about Medicare for all generally. Robert Kennedy, whenever he's asked about the sort of stuff, talks about how unhealthy the, you know, the hoi-poly are and how it would be too expensive to insure them. That's the exact same argument. It's a right-wing thing. Well, I mean, and it's too expensive to insure them under the most efficient system possible he's basically saying S-O-L. Yeah, and Kamala Harris, when she

Starting point is 02:11:27 We're going to weed out the weak ones. The ad that they say tested so well for the Republicans is the Kamala's for they, them were for you. And they also use the clips of her saying that in that that trans care should be covered in prisons. Her answer to that should have been, yeah, because it's health care. I want to give you all health care. I believe in health care for everybody,

Starting point is 02:11:49 regardless of if you're trans, if your family has cancer, I want to make sure that you have health care. That's why I support Medicare for all. Now, of course, she was not that kind of candidate. But that's how you actually nullify that argument. And I also think that's completely overstated because the subtext of that ad was the establishment, and right now the economy is not working for you, and she's going to be a continuation of that. They tried these ads in Virginia, and the Republican got walloped because of the affordability.

Starting point is 02:12:20 arguments being made by the Democrats. So like, yeah, this issue may poll. People may be transphobic when you're asked generically in the poll, but it is not motivating people to vote. So the Democrats should stop running from this, embrace trans people, take them under their wing and not throw them under the bus because this doesn't have the political ramifications that they say that it does. And it's really important because these kids are on the front lines right now. And oh, and the other part is like the parental rights thing. They never cared about that. This bill goes after parents

Starting point is 02:12:54 for providing gender reforming care for their children. Parental rights, just to be clear what that is, is that teachers have an obligation to out their kids. Even if those parents are bigots, if their kids come out as trans or gay or something in school. And it's disgusting that anybody is arguing that that constitutes

Starting point is 02:13:12 parents' rights. Well, the irony is, of course, you have parents' rights to know and abuse your child to find out that they're not the, they don't identify sexually as you want them to, but you don't have parental rights when it comes to, this is what I need to do to help my child deal with, they're being trans. It's rather selective when it becomes a parent's rights or not. Here is Dr. Oz, who has priced out the hundreds of thousands, millions, billions of dollars, maybe.

Starting point is 02:13:58 Of course not. But on what we spend in constructing penises, this is real. Viginoplasti, a vaginoplasti, a procedure of child does not need, cost $60,000. dollars. Shockingly, a phaloplasti, the creation of a penis, costs on average in America, according to this data, high quality, $150,000 per child. I do believe with doing some work that these prices have continued to increase with increasing manufactured demand. And I must point out that the creation of a vagina in that case of a falloplasty or a strontoplasty where you add testicles, that's extra.

Starting point is 02:14:46 Viginoplasti. It is not as common as they describe for trans people to even get top and bottom surgery. I'm going to try to find the numbers here exactly. But yeah, it is incredibly

Starting point is 02:15:03 expensive. Health care is outrageously expensive in this country. And most trans people don't have the luxury of being able to have all that money lying around for surgeries that could benefit them. And the basic, like, minimum care that we're talking about, whether it's puberty blockers for kids or just hormones, which is necessary transaffirming care, baseline. It's under assault right now by the same HHS and the Republican Party.

Starting point is 02:15:34 Yeah. The T.H. Chan School of Public Health teamed up with doctors from Harvard Medical School, Boston Children's Hospital and Brown University of Public Health, to find out how many kids get gender affirming surgery. That includes creation of the penis of vagina, scrotoplasty, clitorplasty, vaginoplasty, all of the plasties. There's a whole jaw surgery, et cetera, et cetera. zero um first they scan for the number of gender affirming uh provided to people with the transgender diagnosis of the 266 for gender affirming surgeries they found in 2019 zero were performed on children under the age of 12 yep surgeons gave up to three procedures to children between 13 and 14 that can include like face surgery uh um uh you know surgeons gave up to three procedures to children 13 and 14, 3, and 80 to 15 to 17-year-olds. In 2019, only 85 transgender children received gender-affirming procedures.

Starting point is 02:16:47 The vast majority of those children would have been aged 15 to 17 years old. And what are the surgeries for? Of the 85 gender-affirming surgery cases, 82 were chest-related. Yep. So top surgery. I have to lie about all. It's all about, you know, making penises for eight years. In 2019, doctors performed 787 breast reduction surgeries on cisgender males and trans identifying people in their sample.

Starting point is 02:17:15 636. So, incidentally, you can have gender affirming care if you're a male who's afraid that their breasts are too big. Yep. Which is weird. Which is, like, I mean, it's weird in the sense that you would allow that. you can have gender affirming care if it is to affirm the construct of your gender that aligns with your biology at birth. Yep. Yep. And granting that you need to do that suggests that misalignment can happen.

Starting point is 02:18:00 Exactly. It's hard to find exact stats on this, but most of the consensus really is, is that a majority of trans people don't undergo gender. surgery. They'll pursue gender affirming care and chest surgery, as Sam was delineating, and is very different than the genital surgeries he's talking about there. Because like what is, because of the cost of it, they're trying to say that there's this like cottage industry of doctors that are doing this for for money. What about the whole Trump, a freaking cabinet that has had their face reconstructed over and over again, has had filler up the wazoo? Is that gender affirming care? How about all the hair?

Starting point is 02:18:41 transplants that Elon Musk has gotten. Let's ban that. If it's 150 a surgery involved, and we know that there is probably like maybe one or two minors who are having this surgery annually, we're talking

Starting point is 02:18:59 a couple hundred thousand dollars. And here's the thing. I don't care about how much anything costs in medicine. If a person needs it, the government should provide it. We shouldn't be like, like this whole thing, these are miserly rich people that just don't want to pay taxes. Exactly. Dr. Oz knows nothing about expensive medical procedures.

Starting point is 02:19:21 I'd like to go through a list of like what his show covered and advocated for. It was total bunk garbage that probably took, removed people from their money because these libertarian health care people are just about their griff, not about general public health. I mean, Maha is one of the largest frauds perpetuated on the American people in like recent history. Yeah. Let's save 21 and 22 for Monday.

Starting point is 02:19:48 But let's check in with Joe Rogan, who on a week where we have seen a rise in measles. And when we, here, let's pop these up, just like, well, we'll do this right after. Let's listen to Joe Rogan. I think everyone knows, anecdotally, somebody who was fucked up by the vaccine. Almost everyone that I've ever talked to other than Sam Harris. Almost everyone that I've ever talked to claims they know someone who was irrevocably harmed by the vaccine. Oh, yeah. If not killed.

Starting point is 02:20:34 Yes. And this is such a gigantic population of people, not to mention all the people who don't know, who have some sort of new pathology that they've not connected to the vaccine. Right. And whose doctors have gaslit them and said they're totally unrelated. This is just something genetic. You were going to get this no matter what. Right.

Starting point is 02:20:53 So we see all of this in actuarial data. Actuarial data? What? That's what the doctor says. You were always going to get those. Actually, what we see. What we see is they're stuck to anecdotal data. And everybody that talks to Rogan, which I'm sure that's a full sampling of fucking great thinkers.

Starting point is 02:21:17 What we're seeing in terms of health after COVID is that COVID itself had a detrimental effect on your tissues and stuff like that. And it was bad to force people into it without as much protections as possible. Yeah. Here is, let's put this up first. This is a, this is getting some, put this when I just sent you first. This is getting a lot of attention. This is a study, and to be fair, it only involved a national cohort of 28 million individuals go down to the conclusion and relevance. This is in France.

Starting point is 02:21:58 28 million individuals. The results found no increased risk of a four-year all-cause mortality in individuals age 15, 18 to 59, vaccinated against COVID-19. further supporting the safety of MRNA vaccines that are widely used worldwide. I would add that this same study actually showed a all-cause mortality went up for unvaccinated people that this actually in that the vaccines actually like not only helped in terms of COVID deaths, but all-cause mortality actually helped. And severity. With severity of infection.

Starting point is 02:22:44 Of infection. Yeah. But specifically like the, the, the, it helped people live. I mean, that's the point. You have CidRAP reporting, MRA COVID vaccines tied to a drop in the death rate for four years. So it not only did not increase your ability to get to. In other words,

Starting point is 02:23:09 It wasn't dangerous, but it also, it was the opposite. And what they were suggesting is actually dangerous. So they get all this energy up to accuse everyone of killing, of spreading misinformation that hurt people. Brett Weinstein, Joe Rogan, killed people. If you know people that died because they didn't get vaccine and died from COVID, and they were listening to these folks, you have a complaint to make about them. Hold on. Pop up this Sidrap thing because there were multiple, obviously you have this cohort of, of 28 million people in France.

Starting point is 02:23:43 And so you investigate a bunch of things. Not only did it not increase all-cause mortality in adults four years after receipt of the COVID-MRNA vaccine, the vaccination was linked to a 74% lower risk of death from severe COVID and a 25% risk of death from any cause. So in other words, like regardless of how you, measure the implications of COVID, whether it's you got a severe case of COVID and you died, or it led to secondary infections or whatnot that caused your death. Regardless, not only did the vaccine not increase your chances of dying, so in other words, the vaccine was safe, but it literally created a 25% lower risk of death from any cause.

Starting point is 02:24:39 So to the extent, and there's still a lot of data that's being collected, and there's a lot of like early theories on this, that COVID is causing like greater arterial disease. Yeah. That it is causing like breaking down the immunity on a whole host of things that it's causing brain problems, et cetera, et cetera. That stuff we're going to see if COVID infections does. But what we do know, at least from the largest study. ever done in terms of MRNA in France, and perhaps maybe the one that's going to be the best because of the nature of their health care system

Starting point is 02:25:20 in tracking this stuff, we know that there is a 25% diminishing and risk of death of any cause relative to the unvaccinated so that it's more than likely not just inhibiting severe COVID, it's inhibiting the things that you can get from either long COVID or, and I put that in quotes only because that is a, you know, sort of a specific thing. Right. Or sort of like subsidiary tangential implications of how COVID has impacted our immunity system. And these mofos are still out there either believing they're validated or just unwilling to realize that they're not because they're

Starting point is 02:26:07 much there. And on top of it, now put up the whipping stuff, the whooping cough, rates have soared of whooping cough because people are, because of shit like this, basically, where they, NBC News, Stanford University has found that D-TAP, D-TAP, what is it, D-TAP, I think it's called, vaccination rates are plummeting across the country. because of growing vaccine hesitancy because of morons like these two criminal these guys 35 states Washington DC provided data including 31 that provided specific data on how many kindergarters got the first four doses of the vaccine 70% of the counties in jurisdictions were below the 95% target rate we need to organize more anger directed at this anti-vax movement

Starting point is 02:27:07 movement that is killing people. And Rogers was on the ESPN like yesterday saying I'm glad I'm on the right side of history. These people are insane. That's painful for us both. I know. I still have 2010 with him. All right. We got one more clip and then we'll start to wrap things up.

Starting point is 02:27:30 All right. This is important because a lot of times we see Jim Brewer on the Jim Brewer show. and he comes off as a little wacky because he's doing like a Rupert Pupkin type of thing where he's speaking into her microphone in front of like what seems to be like three or four people maybe his crew and they don't laugh and he's doing a stand-up routine

Starting point is 02:27:57 and it just seems weird. Yeah, for younger audiences, this is the movie that was ripped off in the movie The Joker. Oh, yeah, yeah. Totally ripped off. Rupert Pupkin was a king of comedy. I know.

Starting point is 02:28:09 I just hate Joker, so I just want to. Ripped off that Todd Phillips had to come out and say, no, it was an homage. Yeah. It was a it was despicable anyway. But nevertheless, when Jim Brewer sits down with, who's this guy he's sitting down with? His name's Lenny Moreno. I went on his Instagram. He's a conspiracy theorist with a fashion line.

Starting point is 02:28:30 Okay. So when he sits down with a conspiracy theorist who has a fashion line, he sounds a lot more reasonable. And here he is when he's calm. He's not doing his goat boy bit or whatnot. He's just... He's raw and real here? He's just talking like a regular guy. I'm not going to push you down.

Starting point is 02:28:52 No, no, no, no, I agree. I agree. I want to get into... So this is very important. One of these guys put this in front of my face today. And you brought up something today, too. We've got to be very careful of where the hatred's being pushed. I truly believe

Starting point is 02:29:11 Like the Jews? Correct. There's a big, there's a big push hating Jews and just Israel in general but I always say there's no hate for people or Jews.

Starting point is 02:29:30 However, I think this is pretty generous to not hate people or Jews. Or Jews. Yes. There's people and then there's Jews. And neither shall be hated.

Starting point is 02:29:47 I think that's, I applaud that. I think both people are not deserving of hatred and nor are Jews. Just Israel in general, but I always say, don't, there's no hate for people or Jews. However. however, the ones that make decisions for what we call Israel, I find sometimes an issue. So the kids put this in front of it,

Starting point is 02:30:21 put this up on the screen. Now you're telling me, now listen, don't listen to me. I'm just a knucklehead comedian that looks like he's half lit at the time, even though I'm not. When Twitter account starts it for a second. I think that like if you say, don't listen to me.

Starting point is 02:30:45 Like if I, this is called building in the critique, right? And but it's used and it was used by Rush Limbaugh. I'm just an entertainer. That's what he would say. When he was, incidentally, he was an entertainer who was awarded the Medal of Freedom by Donald Trump because he espoused so much political, um, uh, propaganda. Lies, lies. not just propaganda, lies.

Starting point is 02:31:10 To run, to use this, and this is like a favorite of like a conspiracy theorist comedians. You're not a comedian at that moment. What you are is a conspiracy theorist online or a racist or an anti-Semite or whatever you are. are maybe you're a health care advocate or that you do it like or you know you could also be

Starting point is 02:31:43 but that the point is that's what you're doing yeah yeah okay you don't get to just sort of like wear a badge and say okay uh this is my excuse for not doing it like if you're like it doesn't matter what you are you got a you got to own up to what you're doing but he sounds exactly like Tucker Carlson. He sounds exactly, and a lot of people are starting to speak this way, and it's just, it's really scary and concerning, like, the normalization right now of anti-Semitism. I know, I said this on the show yesterday, but like this Puka Nakua story out of, out of the NFL is like, is, is, is, is horrifying. I mean, he did an anti-Semitic hand gesture on stream with Aidan Ross, and they called it the Jewish dance or something like that. And then you have people doing basically

Starting point is 02:32:33 race science about that girl from I love L.A. because she's Jewish on Twitter. It's just, it's really crazy and it's in part I would say due to like the rise of Nick Fuentes who's increasingly normalized within the party and a lot

Starting point is 02:32:49 of these other creators wanting his audience and being so cynical and depraved and also anti-Semitic genuinely and having like an excuse to do this now but they are escalating the rhetoric. And the younger you get the more streamy and online and like Nelke boys, Aidan Ross guys that you get, the more willing

Starting point is 02:33:09 they are to traffic in like deeply anti-Jewish tropes right now. But the, the problem is, in my estimation, the reason why this is like growing exponentially is because the mechanisms that we have used in the past to inhibit anti-Semitism have been hijacked in defense of what Israel has been doing. And they have been hijacked, and so it has made it impossible for organizations years and years ago when the ADL was actually a real organization

Starting point is 02:33:45 that was actually out to fight anti-Semitism. And every other apparatus, and every other trusted individual or whatnot, because they deployed anti-Semitism as a way to protect Israel from criticism, from what Israel is doing. And what the, you know, what they're doing in terms of like what they doing in Gaza, what they are doing in the West Bank, what they are doing on a daily basis in maintaining an apartheid regime.

Starting point is 02:34:17 Because anti-Semitism was used as a shield there, you have broken it. And you have made it impossible, not impossible, but very difficult to look at this and say, like, wait a second. This dude is using, he is hiding behind Israel now as a way of saying, like, well, this is what the problem I have with Jews. Like, it's the Jews running Israel. Right. And it's not, and that's why it's so important to point out that Israel is a function of U.S. empire and imperialism. It's not the other way around. And I think we're beginning to see how you can, I just want people to have media literacy about when they're consuming different. creators. Canna Sown and Tucker Carlson, the guy like Jim Brewer, will say, you know, it's not every

Starting point is 02:35:05 Jew, but, and they'll usually say Jews when they're talking about Israel. And they'll not speak about, like, what they actually advocate for. They'll attack Israelis or Jews. They won't say things. No, no. There are Jews who are against Israel. No, right. Exactly. You're on anti-Zionists. They'll never make that qualification. You know, they won't say, like, well, it's the Jews who are running Israel I don't like, as opposed to the Jews who are anti-Zionists. No, they will, they will drop that second part so that they can really make the construction that it's used. And so this is what's going on there.

Starting point is 02:35:45 And then they find like this, there is like, imagine. This is really dubious. Are you talking about the, this is dubious? Like, like, this came up on Twitter, but let's assume for a moment. There's no check mark there. I mean, well, no, but let's just, no, I heard this story when it first came. off that charred off when he was ahead of the uh of uh of of department of homeland security i just wanted you to contemplate like if israel was in charge of our department of homeland

Starting point is 02:36:15 security they are incredibly nefarious but they don't have the ability to in any way like darn it we started the account when is like i am quite sure what happened in 2008 when twitter was like just barely a thing. You can still tweet or text your tweets into it. Exactly. That somebody, when they were on a trip, said, you guys should get Twitter. But even if it's true, that's what I assumed happened.

Starting point is 02:36:44 Even if it's true. Even if it's true. And we have a social media account, the Department of Homeland Security is based out of Israel. It still backs up what I'm trying to say, which is that Israel functions as our military outposts in the Middle East, our intelligence outposts in the Middle East. It is a function of U.S. imperialism and empire and our attempt to be the global hegemon that is slipping through our grasp.

Starting point is 02:37:08 And so much of our Middle East policy, Venezuela policy, is about making sure that China is boxed out. That is what it's about. Not the secret group of, not having it in the secret group of Jews and it being the reverse, controlling all of us. Because at the end of the day, what they are fomenting actively is anti-Semitism for that very purpose. But they're letting us all off the hook as the world. Empire to be more tribalist and nativist and make it about one group versus the other. They don't want us to all live in harmony. When they talk about anti-war, they're just picking a faction that they like and then abandoning

Starting point is 02:37:44 everybody else altogether or demonizing them. I just love the fact that they're going to hang their hat on where are the Twitter account. True or not true? Right. They're going to hang. This is indication. How sloppy would it be for the,

Starting point is 02:38:00 You know, and this, as opposed to, like, all the conservative Twitter handles that turned out to be, but keep playing. Let's see what. I mean, Candice Owens also saying that the JFK thing was Israel, too. They're really doing it. Okay. For Homeland Security, its base is Tel Aviv Israel. Now, think about that. That is the U.S.

Starting point is 02:38:32 Homeland Security in 2008, when it decided to go on Twitter, it? It? It wasn't based out of Milwaukee. It wasn't based out of Long Island or San Francisco. It was based out of Tel Aviv, Israel. Now, if it was in Morocco, or if it was in Mexico City, or if it was in Iran, we would question it we would question it but because it's in Tel Aviv Israel

Starting point is 02:39:07 I did talk about that now who's saying not talk about it tell me what happened today Kyle or a couple days when people when this went over the internet supposedly they took it down for a couple

Starting point is 02:39:21 hours right yes the update came out this screenshot started going viral then X dropped the update for seven hours then came back and was back So they dropped it and then came back. No, we made a mistake. Again, like, this is all bullshit.

Starting point is 02:39:36 They dropped it in part because there were all these conservative accounts that they found out were based in other countries. Yeah, those are all these Indian guys posing as Maga were getting found out. But Milwaukee. All he wasn't doing is good. These crazy guys that control our Twitter account. Tide, it's Homeland Security. Don't worry about it, folks. We've got Homeland.

Starting point is 02:39:59 It's all good. It's all good. I got no problem with DHS saying that they're going to round up brown people in this country. Right. Yeah, we're the ones who've been saying get rid of DHS this whole time, you big dummy. So it is, it's. But it also does show you the power. Like if you are somebody who does not follow the news and the only story that you know about the DHS is that the account was starting to Twitter.

Starting point is 02:40:27 Yeah. Everything else is completely irrelevant. I would love to ask him. the propaganda. Do you support abolishing ICE? You know, you're very anti-DHS. No idea, of course, that ICE is a part of Department of Homeland Security and that these were created

Starting point is 02:40:40 after 9-11, but we act. Really customs enforcement? Yeah. Nice. Turn of morons. Folks, I'm going to read some IMs. We'll get out of here. Tomo Flink. Happy casual Friday, folks.

Starting point is 02:40:58 The groups for the 2027 men's rugby World Cup have been confirmed. USA are in a group with France, Samoa, Japan, and Wales are in a group with England, Tonga, and Zimbabwe. U.S. actually stand a reasonable chance of advancing for the first time ever, but you will be getting demolished by France, L.O.L. Emma, I know you correctly predicted South Africa to win in 2023, but please do not gamble on 2027 because I don't want to deal with an angry bookie with ties to the mafia. I won't. Curly Chirk. Well, I can't watch YouTube stream. I have to work unlike the show. Left is best.

Starting point is 02:41:32 Uh, priory YouTube ads video, no audio. That was from a long time ago. Uh, Gerald from Noron, sorry Matt, but anecdotal data is an oxymoron usually mocked within the neologism, anachita. I know this won't get read, but I have to let the pedantry out somewhere before I can make it a, before I can make a tumor. Put it in a notes app, write it out and then delete it. Good for you. I'm glad you got out of your system. Kyle and Brandon Trust, as a live rumble user, I am tired of the abuse.

Starting point is 02:42:02 Susie Wiles, can we take a moment to appreciate how insane it is that people voted for this man to be president? Kawalski from Nebraska, I read, and Nina Fork. Did you all not give Hegsseth his tribute of a handle of Jack for your internet protection? Nick from Atlanta discovered you guys over a little of a year ago the election when I was freaking out looking for some sane voices to listen to, have scarcely missed a show since. Thank you, thank you. Anonymous Donald Trump in an uphill climate in 2026. There's one thing we know from the U.S. escalator scandal showed us he can climb upstairs with massive effort. However, that was probably what triggered his stroke in the middle of the summer that has led to these monthly Alzheimer's treatments.

Starting point is 02:42:44 629 area code. These dumb grifting Mofos have me screaming. I think you should leave. I'm convinced Kennedy is the horseman of pestilence. Wrong Christmas adventure, wishing the entire crew. Happy holidays. I'll be running the MAGA family holiday gauntlet, but I hope all of you have a nice holiday. We will be back Monday and Tuesday of next week. Eric from Montana, my mom died from COVID in the Billings, ICU. I'm sorry to hear that.

Starting point is 02:43:18 She worked in health care and told me prior to contracting COVID that she was afraid of it. She was taking an immunosuppressant suppressant for arthritis and had just finished chemo for breast cancer. She developed iron lung from COVID, which is the same. as how pneumonia progresses when deadly. We had to deal not only with her unexpected death, but also with guys like Rogan joking that it only kills old fat people. Ha ha. So funny that our trauma is their political grandstand.

Starting point is 02:43:46 They're psychopaths. Sorry for your loss. Max left. Final I.M. of the week. Oh, it's the same thing as before. Donald Trump had an uphill climb in 2026. Well, whatever. folks uh we'll be back on monday Brian is off uh to the hinterlands

Starting point is 02:44:12 Ryan have a big I know what that Merry Christmas Matt Brian great job this week Emma great job this week folks Bye bye It might take all strength like God to get to where I want But I know I'm going when I just got caught. But to the truth and let's the choice to make.

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