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Happy new year! It's Fun Day Monday on the Majority Report On today's program: Zohran Mamdani is sworn in as the 112th mayor of New York City. Jose Luis Granados Ceja, journalist at Drop Site News covering Latin America, joins Sam and Emma to discuss the Trump's Venezuelan coup. In the Fun Half: Chuck Schumer warns the GOP that if they don't stand up to Trump then they will "feel the heat" from their base. Such leadership. We go through the slew of the threats waged by Trump at Greenland, Cuba, and Columbia. Marco Rubio says if you live in Havana and work in the government, you should be concerned. Lindsey Graham and Donald Trump second this notion on Air Force One. Pat Ryan releases a campaign ad that highlights the similarities between Iraq and Venezuela. Joe Rogan misleads or misunderstands overdose data attributing the decline in deaths to Trump when the data ends before he took office. All that and more. The Congress switchboard number is [phone]. You can use this number to connect with either the US Senate or the House of Representatives. Watch/Listen to The Majority Report live Monday–Friday at 12pm EST on YouTube OR via daily podcast at http://www.Majority.fm Today's Sponsors: • WILD GRAIN: Get $30 off your first box + free Croissants in every box. Go to Wildgrain.com/MAJORITY to start your subscription. • SHOPIFY: Sign up for a $1/month trial period at shopify.com/majority • SMALLS: For a limited time, get 60% off your first order, plus free shipping, when you head to Smalls.com/MAJORITY. SUNSET LAKE CBD: Use coupon code "Left Is Best" (all one word) for 20% on their full lineup of CBD products to support your New Year wellness goals and Dry January aspirations at SunsetLakeCBD.com  Follow the Majority Report crew on Twitter: @SamSeder @EmmaVigeland @MattLech On Instagram: @MrBryanVokey Check out Matt's show, Left Reckoning, on YouTube, and subscribe on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/leftreckoning Check out Matt Binder's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/mattbinder Subscribe to Brandon's show The Discourse on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/ExpandTheDiscourse Check out Ava Raiza's music here! https://avaraiza.bandcamp.com

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It is Monday, January 5th, 2006. My name is Sam Cedar. This is the five-time award-winning majority report. We are broadcasting live steps from the industrially ravaged Gowanus Canal in the heartland of America, downtown Brooklyn, USA. On the program today, Jose Luis Grandos Seja, covering Latin America for,

drop site news, of course, on our military assault on Venezuela. Meanwhile, Maduro and his wife transported to New York City this morning for Trump's show trial. Latest reporting death tally from the U.S. attack is at over 100 people. Meanwhile, Trump threatens Venezuela, give me your oil or else. And while he's at it, Trump threatens to invade Colombia, Cuba, Mexico, Greenland, and maybe just bomb Iran. Day one, Mamdani enters the legal fray against a big corporate landlord. Tim Walsh is out the 26 governor race.

Amy Klobuchar appears to be in in that Minnesota-Thor. 26 governor race. Postal service changes. Postmark procedures will inevitably invalidate thousands upon thousands of mail-in ballots. We got 25 days until the next potential government shutdown. Chuck Schumer in hiding. Ten convicted in France of cyberbullying

against France's first lady, Brigitte Macron, and Pete Hagsit to start proceedings against Senator Mark Kelly over his video promoting the military following only legal orders. All this and more on today's majority report. Welcome, ladies and gentlemen. It is... Oh, it's Monday. Jesus. What do we call it?

Fun day, Monday. We are really rustic. I just panicked so much. I wouldn't say real. are so rusty um the we did okay up until that very moment okay i'm rusty you had a complete breakdown the years off to a good start you nervous to be here no i just i was shocked at how i just you're just used to being on cnn when they when they're like you've got to like a d's all around you yeah i'm just i'm checked out here i'm just like i'm so big time now that it's just like you know i don't

even bother to prepare for the show. YouTube, excuse me? Yeah. Please. Oh my gosh. Where's my glam team? Yeah, things have changed the past week and a half. I'm not allowed to look

at her in the eyes anymore. And you just did. Spends the whole day. You're docking his pay, right? Yes, of course. Unbelievable. Oh, yeah, and we introduced pay, too, incidentally, over the break too. So that's been good. How was everybody's

Happy New Year, ladies and gentlemen. Thanks so much for joining us. How was your New Year? My New Year was good. I have pretty low-key New Year's. I'm not a New Year's person. I did see Marty Supreme. Good movie.

Oh, I have not seen that yet. Brian? New Year's I was in bed with the cold, so it was fantastic. And Matt. Send up a new game EPC. Right. Okay. Here we go.

We are not cool. No, not cool. Not cool. New Year's. Thanks so much of joining us. As you know, there's been some news that has taken place over the past week and a half. We're going to obviously be talking quite a bit about Venezuela today.

We have Jose Luis Granato Seja, who now has recently joined Dropsite News. I think in the past like a couple of weeks will be with us to discuss what he knows about Venezuela. On January 1st, New York City swore in its new new new. mayor, Zohan Mamdani. And we have a couple of excerpts of his speech and then, you know, they really hit the ground running, joining into a big lawsuit against one of the bigger landlords in the city. Pinnacle. People will remember two years ago I was complaining all the time about like that, that was pinnacle when I had that air conditioning leak and it warped my floorboards and they didn't come for months.

had no AC in the middle of the summer. That was the, that's the landlord who's going after. So awesome stuff. Great name. Pinnacle. Yes. The pinnacle of what is the, is the real question. Exactly. Um, uh, there is the, the administration has made some moves that I think, um, uh, you know, some people would appreciate, um, uh, Ken Klippinstein reported that, uh, Jessica Tish, the, uh, police commissioner in a structural change, will not. no longer report directly to the mayor, but will instead report directly to a deputy mayor, which is a, you know, it's very, I don't know the operations of the mayor's office, but it'll be interesting to see what kind of dynamic that creates.

It's a demotion. I mean, the administration, like, Zoron doesn't seem to be saying that publicly, but they're trying to help her safe face. It seems like that's how it is. It's a demotion. Yeah, I mean, it's definitely one more layer, and that's the way you do it. What it means on a practical level is unclear. But certainly from a negotiation standpoint, as, you know, you have that ability to be like, you stay here.

I'll go check with my manager in the back room and see if I can make a deal with you. That type of dynamic suddenly becomes a little bit. different. And it suggests that there's a wider public safety portfolio that is not just being fulfilled by police only. And, but we will see how that plays out. In the meanwhile, in the meantime, I should say, I've been doing this professionally for 20 years. I've been, you know, following politics since, I mean, frankly, when I was in high school. school. I do not remember seeing a speech like this made. I've seen speeches like this, but usually like predating the early 70s where there was such ambition expressed and sort of some

level of sophistication expressed. A really amazing speech that, um, that, um, um, that, um, Donnie delivered. Let's start with, wait, is it 18A? 18A? Yeah, 19. 18. Yeah.

Okay. It's 18. It's 18. 18. Yes. That is a weird way of doing that, Brian. 2026 is going to be tough for Brian. Wait, what happened?

I was asleep. The 19A is under the 18th heading, but it's okay. I understand where we're at. So here's the first clip for Zoran, as we knew. Oh for one so far. In writing this address, I have been told that this is the occasion to reset expectations. That I should use this opportunity to encourage the people of New York to ask for little and expect even less. I will do no such thing. The only expectation I seek to reset is that of small expectations.

Beginning today, we will govern expansively and audaciously. We may not always succeed, but never will we be accused of lacking the courage to try. To those who insist that the era of big government is over, hear me when I say this. No longer will City Hall hesitate to use its power to improve New Yorkers' lives. For too long, we have turned to the private sector for greatness while accepting, from those who serve the public. I cannot blame anyone who has come to question the role of government, whose faith in democracy has been eroded by decades of apathy.

We will restore that trust by walking a different path, one where government is no longer solely the final recourse for those struggling, one where excellence is no longer the exception. We expect greatness from the cooks wielding a thousand spices, From those who stride out onto our Broadway stages and from our starting point guard at Madison Square Garden. Hell yeah. Let us demand the same from those who work in government. In a city where the mere names of our...

Do you see that? He did the Brunson? Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, I'm a Celtics fan. Okay. Get out in the city. Get out. Get out. Get out.

You don't belong here. But this is, I mean, to basically set up, you know, every politician as they take office sets expectations. And in this instance, he is making, the expectation that he is creating here is that we're going to fail because we're going to be so ambitious that it's impossible for us to do all the things that we're going to strive to do. But we're going to do a lot of things. And he, in no way sort of tried to moderate.

where what his political leanings have been if anything he's been as explicit as at any time and to be fair he never tried to moderate it during uh uh the election but here is 18 B I welcome the change for too long those fluent in the good grammar of civility have deployed decorum to mask agendas of cruelty far many of these people have been it betrayed by the established order. But in our administration, their needs will be met. Their hopes and dreams and interests will be reflected transparently in government. They will shape our future. And if for too long, these communities have existed as distinct from one another, we will draw this city closer together. We will replace the frigidity of rugged individualism with the warmth of collectivism.

If our campaign demonstrated that the people of New York yearn for solidarity, then let this government foster it. I mean, this is the type of rhetoric you would hear Sean Hannity claim that, you know, Obama or Nancy Pelosi or Chuck Schumer embraced. And here is Mom Dhanie embracing it and giving it a full-throated, a proof. of the idea being that for the city to function well, for people to get the most, for people to maximize their potential and maximize their, they're essentially their quality of life in this city, at least, it's going to involve everyone banding together. And he speaks pretty explicitly on this one too, not 18C. We will answer to all New Yorkers.

not to any billionaire or oligarch who thinks they can buy our democracy. We will govern without shame and insecurity, making no apology for what we believe. I was elected as a democratic socialist, and I will govern as a democratic socialist. Hockel, did you see that? Hockel was clapping just like a little bit. Just check out the left corner of the screen.

Sorry, it makes me laugh. Goverin as a democratic socialist. Keeping her hands down was very low. I will not abandon my principles for fear of being deemed radical. As the great senator from Vermont once said, what's radical is a system which gives so much to so few and deny so many people the basic necessities of life. It was very cold.

I was there, by the way. And I did not expect how cold it was going to be. I had to stop and get a hat because I didn't realize. My feet were frozen the whole time, but it was amazing. And like, seeing Bernie swear him in was unexpectedly, like, really emotional. AOC kicked off the event introducing it. And then Bernie Sanders spoke right before Zaraan Mamdani and swore him in on the Quran. And you just see one, I think, like the fact that Bernie Sanders, despite his old age, got to see

this level of victory and the movement that he created come to fruition like this, that was really what was making me emotional too. But also just the rhetoric that followed, as you say, he did not back off. I will govern as a Democratic socialist. And he hit the ground running. Perhaps we'll play it later. But he's already going after slumlords, as you mentioned, and he's doing it on day one. And, you know, I think in the coming weeks, we'll have someone on to talk about his

administration because what I think new obviously he is assembled a administration to serve New York City but I think it's going to serve a second function which is not unlike the Center for American Progress did starting in 2004 when it became almost like the Clinton administration in exile many ideas came out of the Center for American Progress. I want to be clear. I'm not talking about the similar sort of ideological bent, but I'm talking about how it functioned for the Democratic Party. And there is a big absence of think tanks on the left that provide ideas, personnel, etc.,

for an incoming Democratic administration, presidential administration. The best stuff that happened under the Biden administration came out of the Bernie and Warren wings of the party in terms of antitrust and labor, et cetera. And I think what we are going to see out of this Mamdani administration is a training ground and an incubation of ideas, not just in the state. the context, you know, Alina Khan obviously is working on affordability issues within the administration, but not just on the context of antitrust or affordability, but also in terms of labor, but also in terms of housing. I think we're going to see people in this administration, potentially in the, knock on wood, a Democratic administration in 2028, if there are is one and ideas that are piloted in New York City become, you know, used as the basis of

developing policy for the country. So it's a very, the benefit of this administration is not, I think we can't even really sort of get a clear sense in the event that they're successful in the majority of things that they try. I don't think that we have a full sense of just how much meaningful this is going to be to democratic politics going forward. And a laboratory for governance too. Exactly. Like in the urgency that will be required after this Trump administration. All right.

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And congratulations to you, but also to them. It's a great addition. I imagine you've been busy for the past couple of days. Let's It is sort of hard to start because there seems to be this sort of pretense that, well, there is this pretense in the mainstream media, it seems that like we're supposed to take it seriously that Maduro's cooing, I guess, and maybe you can expand on exactly how we should view this is a function of his. is drug running. And it seems almost silly to me to take that at face value, but some people still do. But from your perspective, like, how would you describe what we have seen? How much of it is an internal coup? How much of it is an overthrow or regime change? Walk us through that. Yeah, you know, I think the best way to understand this is that this was a kidnapping. It was the kidnapping of a sitting head of state, of a sovereign nation that implied a military operation

with foreign boots on the ground inside of Venezuela, with dozens of casualties of Venezuelans, but also the Cuban security forces that had been providing assistance. This is a regime change effort. This is extraordinary, of course. This is something that while it was in a way always, a possibility did come as a surprise. And the aim was precisely this. And the way that things have played out over the last few days, I think kind of affirmed that, which is that there were very strong interests inside of the Trump White House to do something with Maduro in particular.

There was almost an animosity, a personalized animosity. And of course, I think here we should underline Marco Rubio's kind of fervent drive to kind of oust anybody who's ever aggrieved him in any way. and I think that helps explain this. It seems like the United States thinks that it can use its military might, its coercive power, this illegal Navy blockade that it has imposed on Venezuela to try to force the acting president, Delsi Rodriguez, the executive vice president, to do their bidding. But it's going to be a very, very difficult situation if they think that that's the way it's going to go. But do we have a sense of what their bidding is?

I mean, it's the part that seems so, sort of, like, odd because you have kidnapped Maduro ostensibly because you want regime change, but it doesn't really feel like it's regime change. I mean, I'm looking at a Miami Herald piece from October, and the Maduro regime, or at least with Maduro's blessing, offered almost this, what seems to be the outcome we have right now, you know, the only difference is Maduro would live in Qatar or live in like I think it was Turkey. Yeah. I mean, so like what are we to make of this and how what's your sense, I guess, within the administration, how unified are the administration members about this outcome? So if we look at, and we assume that this report is accurate, you know, it's not exactly clear what they were promising, but let's take it at face value and say that the Venezuelan government at one point led by Nicolas Maduro in the moment was promising basically this situation, you know, a soft transition, Chavismo stays in power, there actually isn't regime change and there actually is an investment in Venezuela's oil industry. Venezuela's oil industry continues to play a very, very important part of that, but it's suffered a lot. And that's sense, Trump is actually correct. You know, the unilateral course of measures campaign, the sanctions, as they're commonly called, has really punished that industry. It used to produce, you know, between

2.5, 3 million barrels a day. Today, it's less than a million. So it requires a massive investment. And Venezuela had been seeking investment in that sense to kind of rebuild the capacity for this, but under their terms, as any other state would, right, which is, you know, if you want to invest in this country, you're more than willing to, but follow the rules here. And there were even enterprises, U.S. enterprises that did it. We know Chevron has always had a presence there. Others, ExxonMobil is the first one that comes in mind, but definitely had a much bigger issue with the Chavismo, you know, power in Venezuela and decided to exit and has been working more closely with Guyana, for example. But I think a lot of it is sort of the neo-colonial drive

of the United States right now with Donald Trump, which is that they don't really care as long as they have access to the resources. This is really the kind of the key question that's driving everything, that this is why it's the renewed interests of the United States and Latin America more broadly, because this is a region that they view as their backyard. It's a term I find odious, but that's their attitude. And they want to make sure that they can have access to the resources and cheap labor and pliant governments by any means necessary. And in this case, trying to get Delsey to do what they want them to do by threatening to kidnap or assassinate her. I mean, that's not really, how foreign policy is understood to be exercised, but this is the reality. It's about

control of resources. But to answer maybe Sam's kind of a question about it, like, why not just do this in the way that gives Maduro this exit? I think the answer is the perp walk that we've been seeing where this is an explicit desire to humiliate him. There was news this morning that Stephen Miller is going to play an increased role in Venezuela policy, so this sounds exactly like him. But it's the South Florida delegation, these lawmakers here, of which obviously Marco Rubio comes out of Florida as a senator, the animosity you describe, the desire to humiliate him seem to be at the top of their minds. But Trump as well probably wanted this because he was unable to provoke Maduro into responding with these boat strikes. And this makes him look like the big tough guy. that kind of seems to be the answer, right?

I think you're onto something there. Absolutely. You know, we know Trump. You know, we know he, for example, took down the picture of Joe Biden in the White House hallway there. It's that kind of really deep animosity that he seems to want to precisely produce

these kinds of scenes. I also think the United States, under his leadership, also painted itself into a corner. You know, there was, you know, these really aggressive postures. We saw that Maduro and the Venezuelan government was not willing to cede much

other than what we've already heard from these leaked reports. And so what was the exit here? There was something was going to give, and it seems like they settled on this one. Let's, you know, send a signal, show them that we still are the most powerful military on the planet that have the capacity, the technological capacity, I think in particular was interesting in this case,

to do what they just did, which is kidnap a president, and also to humiliate him, to try to parade him as they have, as a sign of their, power in the region. And so I think there's also a message being sent to the rest of Latin America through these actions, not just to Desi Rodriguez, but he's already threatened Cuba, Colombia. He seems to be suggesting that he wants something in Mexico as well. So I think a lot of this is also about the projection of power in the Trump era. We know that Trump got rid of USA, soft power is not really a thing anymore. This is how the United States wants to conduct business in this

hemisphere. And I asked you a long question. So the first part of it, to the role of the South Florida delegation, if you don't mind expanding on that. Absolutely. So in fact, there was actually a report that the United States was interested in some kind of military action relating to what they call narco terrorism. And they actually wanted to start in Mexico. And the reason they decided to start doing these extrajudicial executions in the Caribbean was to appease that same Florida lobby, that the Gusano lobby there, who were frustrated that Trump was refusing to cancel Chevron's license. And so this was kind of the the offering for that group of representatives,

because it all happened in the context of the debates around the big, beautiful bill to be able to get their support. So they leverage their influence in order to be able to see something happen on Venezuela, and they're very much a big part of what's driving this. The interesting thing, although, is that they're very much aligned with this hardline radical opposition, which is led by Maria Corrina Machado, and we've seen that Trump has basically kind of written her off. In a way, I'm almost appreciative of what he said about her, because that's actually something I've been saying for a while now.

She was obviously a popular figure today, but historically was always a marginal figure. And there is an acknowledgement, even inside of Venezuela, but also now inside of the White House, that she just doesn't have the capacity to try to actually take over the country. Yeah, she's the Venezuelan Ahmed Chalaby, right? A little bit.

I saw people were joking about that on Twitter, but go on, Sam. What is your thoughts in terms of whether Rodriguez was involved in helping or providing information or, you know, subsidiary to her. Like, I mean, it was it was a clean kidnapping. And theoretically, it could have been there was a CIA spy amongst Maduro's, you know, entourage. But it also sort of feels like maybe Rodriguez,

had more awareness of what was happening and that, I mean, this is just my, you know, a projection that when she says, you know, Maduro is the real president here. It's sort of like providing some lip service. So I think it's difficult to come to that conclusion now that more information has come out. It was clean in the sense that there were no deaths on the U.S. side, although there were injuries. There were some casualties. But it was sounds like a blood, bath in order to actually capture Maduro. It wasn't as clean. They certainly knew where he was, and it seems like that was provided by intelligence, CIA intelligence that had obviously been active in Venezuela. They never really left, but they had become more active, more recently,

with Trump's order a few months ago. And I think the fact that there was a lot of people killed, including, as we just saw confirmed by the Cuban president, 32 Cubans, because of the difficult situation in Venezuela. Baduro's inner circle was the security for it was provided by Cubans who they trusted to a higher degree and 32 of them were killed. So there was clearly a very intense gun battle at some point. Later on, we also saw some images of them using anti-aircraft weaponry. There was also images immediately afterwards of the bombing of the missile batteries, the air defense that Venezuela had. So this was a fight. It wasn't as clean as I think they tried to Catullos it was. And in terms of Delci being in on this, she's always been a key player in Chavismo.

She's a part of the inner circle. It's her, her brother, Jorge, who's the head of the National Assembly, Yosado Cabello, and Vladimir, they are the big wigs in Venezuela. And, you know, Maduro managed to kind of keep all of these different coalition representatives together. That's the challenge that I think Delcy is facing now of kind of keeping stability in the country. But she was always part of the inner circle. I would find it very surprising that she would run. the level of betrayal because also the population itself would see that as a betrayal. And that would mean that she's undermining her own base of support inside of the country, which is a risk that I don't think she's able or willing to take. So let's say that this is the Trump administration. I mean,

obviously it sounds like part of it is just like there were sort of resentments that Maduro was not coming to heal and was, you know, dancing in a way that may have been mocking Trump. But to what extent, if what they want is essentially to throw open Venezuelan oil assets to American corporations and to just function under the auspices of the United States. And we can get into the sort of the whole Don Roe doctrine, as Trump seems to be calling it. But to what extent does Rodriguez have to actually deliver what the Trump administration wants? Because my understanding is that there's enough weapons and armed members of the collectivos, maybe, you know, former FARC members, guerrilla units like throughout the country that even if the you know Rodriguez said yes, okay, you guys go to town, that's not going to be frictionless.

Exactly. You're absolutely right. You're absolutely right. And so that's why they're kind of the present situation before us is will there be stability? Will there be continuity? Will the territory be a single united piece of a country? of a country. I mean, there are lots of elements here that can start to kind of undermine the

integrity of Venezuela as a nation. And that's really quite the dangerous thing. I think Delci has to be understood that she's doing everything with quite literally a gun pointed at her head right now. I mean, and I think the fact that we saw the United States willing to kidnap Maduro tells us that they're probably willing to do at least that to her. It feels to me like they've actually threatened her life repeatedly. They're talking about how they have a second way ready to go. And I do think there has to be a consideration made for us well, which is about the safety of the Venezuelan population. I mean, it was really threatening, I think, is the word, to see the way that how effective that campaign was in the morning, the early morning of Saturday.

You know, Venezuela's defense strategy is one that's called the war of all the people. So there's a deep integration with the civilian population as well. But it all happened so fast that there wasn't even a possibility of activating all of that, but those do exist. And you're right. A lot of them are autonomous. And the grassroots revolutionary collectives, which are armed, also wouldn't tolerate something that they view as a betrayal, which would lead to a very tricky situation for the government, which is right now basically trying to ensure continuity and that the territory is respected, at least to the degree, given the conditions that are existing right now. I mean, the United States, my understanding, has anywhere from like 10 to 15,000 troops on, I don't know, close to a dozen warships in the area.

I think somewhere around 10,000 Marines I've heard, which does not seem nearly enough to do anything on the ground if the idea is that we have to secure these different oil fields and these different sort of transportation lines. And particularly if there's this sense of like, this is no longer an internecine battle within Venezuela, but rather we're protecting our national sovereignty. Like, I'm not clear on what the next step is here. Like, even like, you know, Trump says he wants the oil. Okay, well, now what? Like, Rodriguez just says, okay, we're, you know, all this oil is going to go. Exxon's going to be in charge again. And they're going to decide where the oil goes.

And then what's supposed to happen? Because I would imagine it would be within days. You start to see like, I don't know, pipelines, trains, oil rigs blown up. Yeah, I sympathize with your confusion because it's not clear. It's not obvious. Because if they're talking about controlling Venezuela's oil fields, that requires an occupation. We should be clear about that, that when they talk about having access to oil freely in that sense, there is no scenario that doesn't require U.S. troops protecting those

installations or the piece of territory that they've carved out, which obviously would be subject to regular sabotage and actions and military clashes most likely. So it's not clear either to me in terms of how they actually think they can exercise this control, not to mention that there's a lot of international voices. There was a really important communique from Mexico, Colombia, Brazil, and Spain. Uduai was also signed on saying that this is contrary to international law. You cannot exert control in the way that you're proposing. I saw Marco Rubio on the Sunday talk shows, again, struggling to really be able to explain what they actually mean by being in charge. It sounds like they think they can just coerce or force or threaten Desi Rodriguez to do everything.

but as we just finished explaining, that also is not super clear in terms of how effective it can actually be given the reality of Venezuela. Is it possible there's like a third thing that we don't know about? Like, I don't know. There's some, you know, I mean, I'm just, I'm trying to expand my imagination here because it just does not seem even to someone like myself who does not know anything about Venezuela, you know, materially speaking, that there's no plan here. Like, you can't, she's not capable of delivering what they say that they are after.

And it's as if, like, in fact, what it really is, it's like, you know, some, I don't know, Ocean 11's thing where it's like there's a billion dollars worth of gold sitting in a locker somewhere. And all you got to do is really deliver that to Donald Jr. and then we're all good. I mean, like, is there, could there be any other, I mean, we've got, like, set an example for the rest of the hemisphere, I mean, including Greenland, I guess, as to what the United States is willing to do. But that's not going to work in, you know, in the vast majority of these countries, I think, in terms of even as an intimidation tactic, it doesn't seem like there's any actual way to, you know, to deliver, even if Rodriguez wanted to say, again, our oil is yours, it's not really hers to, she doesn't get to choose that. I just, I can't, it just doesn't make any sense because at one point, people are going to say,

justify why you've got, you know, spending millions of dollars on sending troops and ships down there. Yeah. And he also talks openly about boots on the ground when he had talked about avoiding another kind of military conflict abroad. So I think really they are struggling to figure out a way to make sense of this. There is one possibility, which is that Venezuelan leadership finds a way of explaining this in a way that is palatable. Because, of course, the number one issue for Venezuela has been the unilateral coercion measures, the sanctions, the blockade, the fact. The fact, that they can't actually sell their oil in a normal way in the international market because of the dominance of the US dollar and the power of the US Navy and able to kind of enforce that

blockade worldwide. We saw them just chase the ship throughout the world trying to seize it. So if there's a way for Venezuela to feel like they can finally get this news off their neck to actually see their economy recover in a serious way by no longer being subjected to this, it's possible that that may be enough for the Venezuelan population to say, okay, we will tolerate this over the short term because at least we still have our government in place and our project is still there. You know, the Venezuelan project, I think certainly in a lot of ways, is very much emphasized on, you know, using the country's oil wealth to spread the wealth around,

but there isn't a lot of that right now to spread around because of the, you know, the years-long campaign, but there are other elements to it, right? There is also the commune project inside of Venezuela. These are the kind of autonomous, self-governed territories that also have their own interests in terms of how they envision a future for the country in some ways in cooperation with the state, but sometimes also in opposition to it. So, you know, there is still a lot more that can happen here. And I think most people are thinking mostly about how to continue to have some kind of stability

in terms of their day-to-day lives to make sure that food can still show up on the table at the end of the day, that the bombs aren't going to start falling whenever the United States feels like it. You mentioned, you know, some of those factions. And then earlier in our conversation, we spoke a little bit about, you know, some guerrilla groups and other more militant groups within Venezuela. What's your sense of where they stand here? Is it possible that they could be empowered by the United States and obviously well-worn tactics? of the U.S. in this region and in others.

Yeah, there was a lot of support from the United States for some of these insurrectionary groups that we saw, the Warrimbas, that may be a term you've heard before, these violent protests where they would take over the streets and that there's definitely a lot of support from U.S. intelligence agencies and there's obviously been a lot of diplomatic support before the embassy was, you know, before the United States left its embassy there, you know, providing support to the political opposition there, which embrace many of these kinds of tactics. But I think in terms of sort of the autonomous grassroots, self-defense organization, some of these former elements from armed resistance groups in Latin America,

like LaFarque, the ELN is also active in the border region with Colombia, I think all of them understand right now that the moment is demanding unity. And we're seeing that also from, you know, important organizations, for example, one in Caracas, the Fuerza Patrotaica Alexis Vive, which is a radical organization. It is a hardline communist organization that does have self-defense capacities, and they've been clear, right? The moment right now is national unity. We have to defend our national sovereignty. The demand is the return of Nicolas Maduro. I don't anticipate that changing in the short term. I think they understand that the moment and the call from the leadership of Chavismo also has been, for example, from Diosado Cabello, don't fall into these traps,

don't fall for the psychological warfare. Their aim is to divide us. We have to stay united. And I do think that certainly over the short and medium term that's what we're going to see. It all really depends on what the acting president does. And if they feel like she crosses a line, well, that will definitely change the scenario. And we hear a lot in the Western press about how unpopular Maduro is. What's the actual reality? Certainly in the diaspora, he's not popular. And I've seen some reports of people celebrating, you know, in Miami and places like that. But inside Venezuela, it's curious, there hasn't actually been a lot of noise from the opposition. Certainly no voices really kind of cry out. There may have been spontaneous elements. If anything, what we've seen is the

population, the hardcore base of Chavismo, taking out to the streets immediately. You know, I was in touch with my colleagues there in Venezuela the morning of, and they headed to Miraflores, the presidential palace, and there was already, you know, hundreds, if not thousands of people there who were assembling. And so, you know, I saw recently Chris Gilbert, who also lives in Venezuela, talking on a podcast about how, you know, there was a call to do a casero lasso. That's when they bang pots and pans at a certain hour as a protest, right? It emerged actually during Chile's dictatorship as a protest against the dictatorship there,

and it didn't manifest. There actually wasn't the so-called gacerolaso that night. So you would think that if Maduro was as reviled as we had been told, that they would have taken this moment to manifest their disagreement or their support for his ouster, and yet there actually hasn't been that much noise from the formal political opposition

or even spontaneously. Like I said, if anything, it's been to the contrary. What we've seen is the population mobilizing. And I think that's clear because, you know, here in Latin America, there has been many, many instances of U.S. intervention directly through its armed forces. And always, that has not been viewed even in cases where you would seem like they were acting in favor of popular interests.

I think about, for example, the occupation of the port of Veracruz here in Mexico in protests against the coup against Madero during the Mexican Revolution. The revolutionaries in Mexico rejected that because it wasn't seen as an act against the coup plotter who had just taken power, but an act against the nation. And I think in Venezuela, that's also the case right now, that this isn't an attack on Maduro. This isn't an attack on the government of Venezuela. This is an attack on the nation itself. And that's why you will see that people are reluctant to be seen as celebrating that, especially those who are inside the country, less so outside. So what, I mean, as you're looking at this, like, what do you have a, I mean, I'm so baffled by this.

It's just, I just can't for the life of me figure out like what they think that they're doing. Because either, you know, people just stop paying attention, which seems, you know, I mean, that's not inconceivable. We move on to the next thing by Thursday of this week and, you know, whatever it is. there's 12 ships out, you know, outside of Greenland or something. But what are you looking for next in terms of, like, getting a sense of where this is going? Because, again, it seems like Rodriguez can say, like, okay, you can have the oil and then just stand back and let all of these different autonomous guerrilla fighters. make it very, very difficult for any of this to happen. It's going to take a lot more than 10,000 troops.

And I have a feeling, you know, no Exxon officials are going to go deep into the country and, you know, subject themselves to some type of threat. So what is it that we should be looking for that might give us an indication as to where this is headed? So if they take any action against Rodriguez, I think that's the key thing. you know, if it's not just a threat, if it's not an empty threat, if they actually do try to intimidate her with violence or with a kidnapping. I, you can't also, you know, underestimate the role of the hapless opposition here. You know, Trump talking about Maria Corrina Machalo,

the way that he did, I think is also important. You know, the U.S. has relied a lot on its contacts in the Venezuelan opposition, and they've been burned by them many times before. That's why they don't really trust them. They probably don't trust them to be able to actually take over the country and the interest is the resources. And here I'm going to go out on a bit of a limb here. I think really we should watch to see what happens in West Asia and what happens in the rest of the world. This could actually, in fact, be a prelude to a broader conflict that is going to put energy supplies in question because of the role of the oil producers in West Asia. And I think that the sense is that we have to have a kind of a reserve somewhere we can turn to to really rapidly increase

oil production in the event of a broader, more serious global conflict. And I think that part is also important to pay attention to. And maybe also in terms of an indication of what they want to do here in the region as well, Venezuela is not the only country that has a lot of energy resources. Well, Netanyahu spent New Year's Eve at Maralago with Donald Trump. I mean, there's a lot of theories that are floating around about that. And we've been hearing a lot about, you know, obviously Iran hawkery in the recent weeks as well. You know, I think like to me and Sam and I were talking about this before the show, a lot of this foreign policy, this bloodthirsty foreign policy, obviously, by the Trump administration is still this recognition of a transition to a multipolar world.

And it's almost as if Trump's like, this is the Western hemisphere, that's ours. So we got the Donne Roe doctrine. I mean, he misreads the Monroe doctrine, which was about keeping the Europe out of the Western Hemisphere and Monroe basically saying, like, this is ours to colonize. But, I mean, I guess that's somewhat true in this instance, too, where it's like, Putin, do what you want in Ukraine. We're not really that interested. I mean, the weapons manufacturers are happy if we're selling Ukraine arms, but like, he's clearly bored of doing those peace negotiations. Xi do your thing over there. This is going to be ours. And, That is that history of action and colonization in the Western Hemisphere in Latin America.

My whole lifetime it's been focused on the Middle East, but it's actually quite much longer, richer and incredibly bloody when you look at the full history of the United States. There is hundreds of years of this. That's absolutely right. I have been putting forward the hypothesis that this is indeed a strategic retreat into their traditional sphere of influence. I think the national security strategy is basically a confession saying that we understand that we do live in a multipolar world, that there is a peer rival in China, and that we actually, as the U.S. here, I'm talking about the U.S. can actually

compete in this moment. And so that they have to kind of take this strategic retreat to try to shore up its access to resources, to have supportive governments as its neighbors, in order to then, in a future moment, being able to dispute global hegemony with China. That was their goal. They said it previously after the fall at the end of the Cold War, saying we want total spectrum dominance. They couldn't achieve it. Instead, China rose and filled and is effectively a superpower to compete with the United States. Marco Rubio, who again, he's not just Secretary of State. He's also National Security Advisor has said as much. You know, we live in a multipolar world. We have to operate under that sense. And so I do think a lot of this is also about figuring

out how far their reach can actually be, and does it make more sense to have a stronger presence to exert the U.S. military power to intervene directly in places that are closer to home? And so that's why Latin America is in the crosshairs. Another important element there, of course, is that Latin America is in dispute. You know, this is a continent that has gone through a lot of waves of progressive, leftist, even revolutionary leadership that obviously is going to resist these efforts by the United States to try to impose that dominance over Latin America. There can be cooperation, there can be trade, there can be commerce, but what the United States wants dominance.

And if that's what they're proposing, then they're going to be met with a lot of resistance here. And it is a very troublesome sign in terms of what's going to come. You know, there's, like I said, he's already threatened several other countries. What's going to happen? We've already seen direct, blatant, flagrant interference in elections in Honduras, in elections in Argentina. So this Latin America and the Korea.

Caribbean in particular, need to be prepared for what's about to come. Well, what do you make of the response of the Russians and the rest of the world to what we've done? I'm looking at, I've got two, I've got Alexander Jojik, who is a former assistant professor at RUDN, Moscow, writes on X. pro-Kremlin telegram channels and media widely shared an archive 2020 video of Vladimir Zerofs, uh, Zerunovsky, who, uh, was a former leader of, uh, he's since passed, but a, uh, right wing, uh, party in Russia, suggesting that Trump could take Venezuela, while Russia takes Ukraine, um, and, uh, testimony from Fiona Hill back in 2019. she said the Russians at this particular juncture were signaling very strongly.

They wanted to somehow make some very strange swap arrangement between Venezuela and Ukraine. Essentially, you want us out of your backyard. We want you out of our backyard, again, to use that term. But what do you make of the response, the international response to this? And if that's sort of like, you know, the idea being, I mean, for Russia, it makes total sense. we want to solidify what we have in this region and reestablish ourselves in a multipolar world. I can also understand like Trump's just anti-Obama, you know, tick essentially, because Obama had the whole pivot to the Pacific where he was going to challenge China and doing it through

trade and whatnot and perhaps, you know, all of our naval assets moving to the Pacific. Like, what's your read in terms of the response of things that generally happen in Venezuela from these other countries? Yeah, there's probably some of these kind of big player chess moves happening without a doubt and people trying to take advantage of the situation or at least present something like this, you know, but we have to remember also Venezuela had a very deep, long diplomatic relationship, economic relationship with both Russia and China, who are major world players. China in particular, I think, is important. They had an all-weather diplomatic relationship, which is the highest level there is when it comes to China. The only Latin American country

to have that was Venezuela, is Venezuela. And China's statement, I think, was actually really telling, they're always very cautious, they're very careful, even in the tariff disputes, to kind of, you know, say something that goes a step too far that might, you know, be read as offensive. They were unequivocal in their condemnation, calling for Maduro to be released. And so that's a reflection of the very deep relationship that China does have. I mean, the special envoy was in Caracas when this raid happened. So it tells you that this is also an important element here in terms of, you know, what's going to happen next.

On the international reaction, one thing I did want to say is that, unfortunately, I think the lack of a pushback to the extra judicial executions in and around South America led us to this moment. I think there needed to be a much stronger condemnation from multilateral organizations, from individual member states, from countries, from blocks. We couldn't even get the community of Latin American and Caribbean states to say anything about this really concretely to say that, no, you can't kill people an alleged drug smuggling boat the way that they did. And so they felt emboldened. And if there isn't enough. We couldn't get democratic, theoretically, opposition leaders in this country to say anything about it. Exactly. Yeah. And they barely can muster anything about this now. You're like, oh, Maduro was a monster, you know, but what we did wasn't allowed. Why didn't they ask Congress? That kind of, that can't be the response. The response has to be overwhelming rejection of a very evident violation of international law. I know it's not worth much. We all watched a genocide happen in real time against the Palestinian people. But that doesn't mean that it's not correct to continue to.

to insist that the demand be respect for international law. You know, the first statement coming from the Secretary General of the United Nations, Antonio Gutierrez, was really weak. He issued another one today, slightly stronger, but still, it has to be unequivocal, emphatically, a denunciation of U.S. actions. I also be curious to see how even the U.S. justice system is going to respond to this. I mean, can you really prosecute somebody who is detained illegally?

I mean, the United States does not have law enforcement jurisdiction in Venezuela. And so, you know, I know what's happening right now. I think it's just kind of a formality at this point, but these are also important questions. You know, your republic is in danger as well. The division of powers inside the United States are also under question now. If they allow this to happen, so they're basically giving a green light to these extraterritorial actions. And I would hope that the judicial branch of government inside of the United States is also willing to exercise its authority here and clearly say what happened. This was an illegal detention. I mean, the, the, the, you're absolutely right that, like, the statements about how he

needs to have asked Congress first are so, you know, lukewarm and not necessary. I mean, you can compare Chris Van Hollen and AOC speaking about this as imperialism talking about oil versus how Schumer and Jeffries are, are reacting to it. But I do want to even, I do want to address that because it is, like, a major concern to have the Trump. administration completely neutering the legislature. And we've seen that the Republicans have aided in this across a variety of different issues like the rescission issue that Trump, you know, is trying to basically say, Congress, you can pass a budget, but I may decide whether or not I'm going to even spend it. And the Republicans participated in neutering their own body to appease

Donald Trump. On issues of war, I mean, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, This is just like so far past any kind of like, you know, reasonable read of the Constitution at this point. Rubio is saying that this was a law enforcement operation to because to bring him in on drug charges. And that is how they're trying to get around the fact that this was an act of war. Although the bombings that they did, I don't know how they're justifying that to Congress, by the way. But regardless, the kidnapping at least, they're saying was a law enforcement operation. Can you just expand on that notion because that's a major constitutional challenge, obviously? Absolutely.

And, you know, we saw these bipartisan resolutions, war powers resolutions presented to both houses of Congress. They didn't pass, but by the slimmest of, you know, of differences. And that's because Rubio and Hegsef and other people from the Department of Justice and the Department of Defense went and basically lied to the lawmakers saying, no, no, no, we're not going to war. And they maintain that lie now saying that this is a law enforcement operation, but precisely that. Because in order, that's the only way they can sustain this lie that they did to the lawmakers. And I think, you know, if I was a representative, I would take great offense to that. They're basically laughing at you in your face saying we're going to, you know, bald face lie and say we're not going to engage in this action. And you're correct.

I mean, there is no world where what the United States did isn't an act of aggression, isn't an act of war. I mean, like I said, dozens of casualties, civilians as well were killed. You know, there was reports of a storage facility for medical supplies that was hit that had nothing to do with military infrastructure. And so those are acts of war. And conceivably should be part of an accountability process to Congress, which is constitutionally the only body that's authorized to do war. Well, Jose Luis Granados, Sea, reporting for DropSight News.

Thanks so much for your time today. We'll be in touch. I guess it's really sort of anybody's guess what happens from here, but we'll obviously be watching it. Thanks so much for your time today. I really appreciate it. Thank you very much. And thank you for reporting on this because there's a lot to unpack still.

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I am going to be moderating the launch of one David Griscom's book in New York City. I'm very honored that he asked me, and I'm reading it right now. It's really phenomenal. It's going to be on Wednesday, February 25th, and it's in, I think, Lowery Side. I don't have that info off the top of my head, but the book is The Myth of Red Texas Cowboys, capitalism and class war in the radical south. So yeah, he's been working on that for, I mean, just for a couple of years now. Yes, it's great. I'm reading it right now.

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But Sam, I've got to get off. No worries. I want to just flesh this out a little bit. I mean, look, it's a free speech issue. If you don't like me... Hey, hey, hey, hey, shut up. Thank you. for calling into the majority report.

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