The Majority Report with Sam Seder - 3565 - Entering the New New World Order; Minnesota Strikes w/ Matt Duss

Episode Date: January 23, 2026

It's Casual Friday at the Majority Report On today's program: JD Vance holds a news conference in Minneapolis where he is asked about a leaked DHS memo instructing ICE and CBP agents that an "administrative warrant" is sufficient for forcibly entering people's homes. In response, Vance lies and obfuscates the legality of these unconstitutional directives outlined in the leaked memo. Co-host of the Un-Diplomatic Pod, Matt Duss joins the program to wrap up the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. In the Fun Half: Elon Musk fails miserably in an attempt to steal an old Mel Brooks joke, but that doesn't stop him from laughing hysterically at his own butchered bit. Harry Enten presents new polling showing Democrats are now expected to gain a House seat, a sharp reversal from last summer when projections had Republicans picking up five. Brian Eno dresses down a painfully British chat show host, Lord Bethel, for referring to CEOs as "wealth creators," reminding him that it's workers who actually generate the wealth. AOC calls out the CVS Health chair over the company's market concentration during a congressional hearing. At least 100 faith leaders are arrested while participating in a General Strike action at the Minneapolis–St. Paul airport. In Maine, the Cumberland County sheriff expresses outrage over ICE's unprofessional conduct in the state. PBS NewsHour reports on horrific conditions in ICE family detention centers, including moldy food infested with worms. All that and more To connect and organize with your local ICE rapid response team visit ICERRT.com The Congress switchboard number is [phone]. You can use this number to connect with either the U.S. Senate or the House of Representatives. Follow us on TikTok here: https://www.tiktok.com/@majorityreportfm Check us out on Twitch here: https://www.twitch.tv/themajorityreport Find our Rumble stream here: https://rumble.com/user/majorityreport Check out our alt YouTube channel here: https://www.youtube.com/majorityreportlive Gift a Majority Report subscription here: https://fans.fm/majority/gift Subscribe to the AMQuickie newsletter here: https://am-quickie.ghost.io/ Join the Majority Report Discord! https://majoritydiscord.com/ Get all your MR merch at our store: https://shop.majorityreportradio.com/ Get the free Majority Report App!: https://majority.fm/app Go to https://JustCoffee.coop and use coupon code majority to get 10% off your purchase Check out today's sponsors: ZOCDOC:  Go to Zocdoc.com/MAJORITY and download the Zocdoc app to sign-up for FREE and book a top-rated doctor. BOXIE CAT: Enjoy 30% off with code TMR at boxiecat.com/TMR SUNSET LAKE: Use the code NEWFLOWER—all one word—to get 30% off their new crop of hemp flower and vape carts at SunsetLakeCBD.com  Follow the Majority Report crew on Twitter: @SamSeder @EmmaVigeland @MattLech On Instagram: @MrBryanVokey Check out Matt's show, Left Reckoning, on YouTube, and subscribe on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/leftreckoning Check out Matt Binder's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/mattbinder Subscribe to Brandon's show The Discourse on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/ExpandTheDiscourse Check out Ava Raiza's music here! https://avaraiza.bandcamp.com

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The Majority Report with Sam Cedar. It is Friday. January 23rd, 2006. My name is Sam Cedar. This is the five-time award-winning majority report. We are broadcasting live steps from the industrially ravaged Gowanus Canal in the heartland of America, downtown Brooklyn, USA. On the program today, Matt Duss,

executive vice president, the Center for International Policy, co-host of the undiplomatic podcast. Also on the program today, no work, no school, no shopping, Minneapolis General Strike happening today in protest

of ICE invading that city Meanwhile, the House votes to approve DHS funding with the help of seven Democrats. House on almost a total party line vote, House Republicans defeated a resolution to curb Trump's attacks on Venezuela. Meanwhile, the U.S. formally leaves the World Health Organization. What could go wrong? Trump administration halts the use of human fetal tissue. in NIH research.

This was a six-month, a year-long debate issue during the Bush years, and now just one more day. Yep. More studies come out show that a shingle vaccine lowers Alzheimer's risk by up to 25%. Also keeps you from getting the shingles. National Park Service tears down a slavery memorial in Philadelphia's president's house. Cash Patel, fire senior FBI, linked to the Trump investigations. U.S. and China sign off on a TikTok spinoff. And Amy Klobuchar, the char, files paperwork.

Charzard. To run for Minnesota governor. All this is more. Because she breeze that fire, baby. On today's majority report, welcome, ladies and gentlemen. What do you think Charzard is if you were to guess? Just guess what is a Charzard? Charzar.

Charzard. What's Charzard? Charzard. It has something to do with Swiss Char. No, it's a Pokemon. I thought you had a little boy that you would know. Yeah. No, the Pokemon is so.

You know what? He was actually. He was actually, now that I think about it, but he never. never got deep into it. It was more just like his friends were doing it, so he got some cards, but he never seemed to really care that much about it. There was like one, he only liked it because he thought like there were some cards that were really valuable and others that were fraudulent.

Yeah. For him, it was just asset management. That's all I care about. Teaching them. I never played the game either. I collected the cards for exactly that reason. Yeah. He was a holographic.

Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. He just thought like somehow he was going to make some money off it or something. I don't know. Well, anyway, I think that's a funny name for Amy Klobuchar, so the Charzard. There you go. Although, I mean, dang, I wish that someone better was running for governor there, but what are you going to do?

Yeah. I think it's time for someone to return. Oh, my God. I would love a venture return. The real question is also who's going to be running for Senate, that Senate seat? I mean, two brand new senators in Minnesota then. Yep. By the way, hello, it's casual Friday.

Oh, did I not say that? Yes. My name is Emma Bigel. I'm a little disjointed today. We all are disjointed, I think. Yeah. It's, you know, it's been a very, very long three weeks. Now we are three weeks into January, really just one year into the Trump administration, almost to the day.

And we'll be talking about this vote later in the program to fund the DHS in the House. The big thing is that Jeffries did not whip this vote. Only seven Democrats voted for the funding. It is unclear and probably unlikely that Democrats could have stopped it in the House anyways. there were, there could have been maneuvers, you know, earlier on in the way that they structured or attempted to structure these bills that might have helped the vote in some fashion. But it's really going to come down to the Senate. And the thing to keep in mind is when someone like Tom Swazi votes to fund the DHS, he's not just voting to fund today's DHS.

he's voting to fund everything the DHS is going to do over the course. I mean, presumably, let's just, you know, he's doing this for electoral reasons. Everything they're going to do for the next 10 months. And if we look at the progression of ICE over the course of the past 10 months, the idea that you're going to bet in 10 months out that this is a, you can defend, funding this agency to the majority of your voters, I'd say, is a pretty bad bet. Yeah, look at how Angie Craig's having trouble after signing on that. Thanks for ICE thing now up in Minnesota.

Yep. Here are these seven. I just want to say their names. Mary Glucon-Campurez, Jared Golden, Don Davis, Tom Swazzy, as you mentioned, Laura Gillen, Vincenta Gonzalez. Those are the seven that voted to fund the agency that is currently repeat. wreaking havoc, shooting mothers in the face, kidnapping children. We're seeing videos out of Minnesota of them tackling a little boy to the ground as he says that he's legal. And harassment in Maine, it's horrendous.

By the way, two of those were Ezra Klein's suggestions in his piece about how to defeat Trumpism of people who should have just as much say in the Democratic Party's future of Lusen-Camp Perez and Jared Golden as Bernie Sanders and Zoranomondani. It's a big tent. We need to include the people that have decided to fund the Gestapo in this country. I mean, putting aside like just sort of like even the sort of the moral aspects of it, from an electoral perspective, like this just seems to be an incredibly bad bet. And certainly it would be even more so if more Democrats were to do it. I mean, you know, the idea that these people are trying to burnish their law. enforcement, bona fides, ICE is not performing law enforcement. That's exactly the point. And it makes

it much harder to communicate that. So, and now, Jared Golden's not running for reelection. I mean, I don't, I mean, I hope he doesn't think that he has any future in Maine politics, because this is pretty poorly timed. We're going to play footage coming out of Maine later in the program. But, all right, we will talk more about that in a bit. But let's get to J.D. Vance. Yesterday, Emma talked extensively about this memo that came out, whistleblower. And it's not like as a lawmaker, you can't say you didn't have a heads up as to what's going on, where the agency basically is telling its ICE agents that you don't need to follow the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution,

essentially the case law and the Constitution itself calls for a warrant to enter someone's home. And a warrant is a specific thing. And maybe like, you know, we shouldn't even have anything called like an administrative warrant. Because theoretically, we could issue administrative warrants. Yeah. Here's a piece of paper. That's worth it as just as much, like a piece of paper for I were to write. I can break into your house.

That's the equivalent of what an administrative warrant is. It doesn't mean anything. The whole point is that you're supposed to have a judge look at it and determine whether the request to enter someone's home is warranted. But here is J.D. Vance in Minnesota. They send him in, it appears, just because he is the most shameless liar of the bunch. and, well, let's listen to what he's, there's a multitude of lies in this comment. But let's listen to him respond to this question. The Washington Post reported today that an ICE memo allows agents to enter people's houses without a judge's warrant. What do you say to people who say we're concerned about this violating the Constitution and how much is this tax?

being used. Yeah, so I saw that story and the story is like so much that I read in the mainstream media, it's missing a whole lot of context and when you appreciate the context, it makes sense. No one is saying, look, there are exceptions. For example, a crazy exception. If somebody is fired at from inside a house, they don't need a warrant to go inside that person's house. There are very narrow exceptions to the warrant requirement where law enforcement officers don't need a warrant if, for example, they're an imminent threat. their lives. But what we've said and what ISIS proposed, what the Department of Homeland Security really has proposed in the Department of Justice, is that we can get administrative warrants to

enforce administrative immigration law. Now, it's possible, I guess, that the courts will say no. And of course, if the courts say no, we would follow that law. Pause it, positive, positive, positive. Literally the functional equivalent of us of saying, listen, we're going to sign warrants so that we can go into people's houses and force them, set there, you know, force them to subscribe to the majority report. Yep. And now it is possible that a judge may find that that we're not allowed to do that. But, you know, I just want us to put that out there.

And it really is telling, too, that I was talking about this on the show yesterday. Like, when the Bush administration was forced and then the Obama administration to get warrants for their warrantless wiretapping, they at the very least were going through these FISA court judges that were, yeah, rubber. stamping it. Of course, that process was corrupt in and of itself. This isn't even that. They're circumventing the judiciary in the way that the administration has effectively made the legislature so inept and is like, yeah, we can rescind whatever money we want when Congress passes the budget or whatever. They're doing the same thing with the judiciary. And we should say immigration judges do not issue administrative warrants.

Yep. That is, it's definitional. The administrative warrants are just like essentially internal documents for ice. For ice that are generated by ice. Right. The admit, they would be, if they were issued by a judge, they wouldn't be called administrative warrants. They'd be called judicial warrants. And he's a lawyer and he knows this, obviously. He's lying with the point, they can issue an order of removal that is not the same as a warrant to enter a home. He also, I think, calls immigration judges administrative judges. And I think that's to conflate the use of administrative warrants. It's a warrant.

It's an administrative judge. Right. Because she says a judge's warrant, which is how you should phrase that when they're doing the administrative warrant bullshit. Mm-hmm. So the Department of Justice is that we can get administrative warrants to enforce administrative immigration law. Now, it's possible, I guess, that the courts will say no. And of course, if the courts say no, we would follow that law. But nobody is talking about doing immigration enforcement without a warrant.

We're talking about different types of warrants that exist in our system. Typically what happens, not always, but typically in the immigration system, those are handled by administrative law judges. So we're talking about getting warrants from those administrative law judges. And then, of course, with other cases, you get judges or you get warrants from a judge. We're not talking about that at all. These are not signed by judges. That's the point. He can create all these sort of like new categories or sort of like vague categories of

judges and but they're not signed by a judge. Warrants are a land of contrast. This sounds like a used car salesman trying to explain to you why the price is $10,000 more than he originally stated. It really is like that. But it also, is this a retreat too? Are they basically kind of saying that they're going to maybe go through some sort of pretense at this point? Because at least publicly because like what we in that Associated Press article, it's incredibly damning.

They said that this memo was issued in May or something like that of 2025. And then from that period on, it was, they couldn't take the documents with them when they were showing these ice agents and one of the whistleblowers. Couldn't make a copy of it. It was just verbal from there on now. So they know they're hiding something. And I think, I mean, I think, look, Vance's visit to Minneapolis is a show of weakness. He would not be there if this was going the way they wanted it to. That doesn't mean that they are weak.

They are not. They have a ton of money. They have a ton of weapons. They have a bunch of thugs working for them. but it does show on some level that they feel like they need to do some type of, you know, damage work or crisis work or whatnot. And so they send this guy who's a really a world-class liar. I mean, he does it with an ease that is disturbing. Go ahead.

talking about doing immigration enforcement without a warrant. We're talking about different types of warrants that exist in our system. Typically what happens, not always, but typically in the immigration system, those are handled by administrative law judges. So we're talking about getting warrants from those administrative law judges. And then, of course, with other cases, you get judges or you get warrants from a judge. That's very consistent with the practice of American law. I'm sure the courts will weigh in on that.

But we're never going to enter somebody's house without some kind of. of a warrant unless of course somebody's firing on an officer where they have to do something in order to protect themselves right um i'm reminded of when vance earlier this year was at a press conference and was asked about the war powers act and he said quote that it's a fake uh fundamentally a fake and unconstitutional law um there's no such thing as fake laws yeah i mean i mean sure but like for For him, like, you don't just get to call a law fake and not abide by it. But I guess this administration, that's the lesson they learned from the first go-round. And I guess currently.

So he's there or was there yesterday, I guess, just trying to do damage control. Meanwhile, we've seen nice agents enter into homes without even their administrative warrant. But the administrative warrant is, again, like... It's like a janitorial warrant. Exactly. In a minute, we're going to be talking to Matt Duss, Executive Vice President of the Center for International Policy and the co-host, the Undiplomatic Podcast. For what we, about what we saw this week at Davos, perhaps what's also going to happen this weekend in regards to Iran. And really, the final.

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important i mean but important in that like there was a lot of markers put down at davos that in the past I've just associated with like multi-millionaires being pissed that they don't get to go up to the lounge where the billionaires go like, you know, in this seemed really, really significant on a number of fronts. Let's start, I mean, we were just going over this before we came on air. The Carney's speech, Zelensky's speech, well, I guess Trump's speech. But also Jared Kushner's sort of like rollout of his vision for Gaza. Let's start with with Carney and Zelensky in some way because they both had critiques of the existing world order, as it were. But Carney's was, and I would say also Vanderlion, I think that's her name, the head of the EU alluded to this too.

Let's play this clip from Karni, and then we will speak. This is when he quoted... I thought we did have that. Sorry. We got it? What number is it? Twelve. Twelve.

Yeah. Sorry. Here is a clip from that speech. In 1978, the Czech dissident Vaslav Havel, later president, wrote an essay called The Power the Powerless. And in it, he asked a simple question, how did the communist system sustain itself? And his answer began with the greengrocer. Every morning, this shopkeeper places a sign in his window. Workers of the world unite.

He doesn't believe it. No one does. but he places the sign any way to avoid trouble, to signal compliance, to get along. And because every shopkeeper on every street does the same the system persist, not through violence alone, but through the participation of ordinary people in rituals they privately know to be false. Havel called this living within a lie. The system's power comes not from its truth, but from everyone's willing to be false.

to perform as if it were true. And its fragility comes from the same source. When even one person stops performing, when the green grocer removes his sign, the illusion begins to crack. Friends, it is time for companies and countries to take their signs down. Four decades.

What's interesting, I mean, it's unclear whether he perceives himself as that first person to take the sign. person to take the sign down. And we should say the critique is, it seems to me, less about the economic systems that have grown up in the wake of a world or two. But America's role as it's been played for a long time. He goes on to say, like, you know, we espouse a rules-based international order. And when America broke those rules, we all sort of pretended like they didn't, even though we know they did.

What are your thoughts on this? Yeah, I mean, it was a landmark speech. There's no question. But like, let's unpack that reference a little bit. Because I think it's very interesting. That Havel essay, many of us read it in high school or, you know, college, graduate school, whatever. It is a really powerful essay. But as you asked the right question, okay, who is Carney here?

Is America being put in the role of the communist empire, of the Soviet Union? it appears so. But what's really interesting to me is like acknowledging that we've all been telling this lie, the rules-based order. It's time to admit that this is a lie and take our signs down. Now, there's a whole part of the world, the majority of the world, that has never had their sign-up in the first place that has always been clear that the rules-based order does not mean them. I mean, this has been a U.S. and Europe and mainly Western Europe-led order. So if I want to be cynical and yet truthful about what Carney was saying. He was like, you know, we were all fine with this when we were kind of part of the privileged few. But now that we realize that we're on the wrong side

of this protection racket, it's time for us to stand up and tell the truth. So good. Let's live in truth, absolutely. I'm very much in favor of telling the truth and having an honest debate, but let's also realize that the timing in this is very convenient. There is much of the global South or the global majority that I'm sure has looked at this speech and it's like it's about damn time. This has been our experience. You know, now, now that you are on the pointy end of, of this, of this order, you suddenly realize it's time to tell the truth. So I think we could acknowledge both of those things. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's fascinating. And do me a favor, just with your mic, just keep that off your sweater. Or if you're tapping the table or whatever.

But it really does feel like we just need to restructure. We just need to create a different sign is really on some level what it feels like. But it does mark the end of an era. Now, it appears that it does. But certainly, right, like this sign was not being hung up in Palestine, let's say, or among other places. or Indonesia or Chile or you know run down the list you know. Yes. That as well.

I mean, we could go on and on. And it does just seem like we've, it's less again, I guess like an attack on a system and more just sort of like the way that this system has been led and structured. It really is just basically saying like America is not what it was and we got to stop pretending. And this feels like this has been coming for 20 years. least, right? I mean, Iraq was, I think, where it became quite clear, it seems to me, that there was a creeping awareness of like this whole idea of the new world order in the wake of the fall of the Soviet Union. It didn't last very long. Yeah. And that's, you know, I do feel the need to mention that, you know, Iraq was a very key moment in the kind of chain of events that I think led to the

corrosion and now destruction of this order. And one of the prominent supporters of that invasion was, of course, Voslav Havel. So just worth noting, a lot of the folks who felt, you know, even Havel was among those who felt that, well, yes, this order, we have the right to do these things, because we are acting out of these kind of pure motives in defiance of international norms and international law. And that has now, these are the results. And in dragging Europe into you know, America's wars also. That was significant there as well.

And perhaps like in this acknowledgement of that break, we're basically Carney's essentially saying yeah, we had the economic, we wanted the economic benefits of kind of being on the side of the global hegemon and the driver of capital. But

it's self-serving because we also see like, we were showing some data yesterday on the The United States may have some growing GDP, but tech is very overvalued in what it's providing globally. China is much more efficient and is much more ahead technologically than the United States. So it's both that, you know, Greenland was under threat that this is being discussed now, the erosion of the international. But also, like, it's not as risky to cut ties with the United States because we are an empire. on the decline economically.

I mean, I think there's some truth to that. I mean, your point about Greenland is also really important. I mean, for many of us, I mean, Gaza is where the rules-based order was buried. Greenland is just where Europe suddenly realized, as I said, they are now on the wrong side of the protection racket. Just this realization that, you know, for the longest time, Europe believed that they got to be part of the imperial core and that came with special privileges. it is now clear to them that those privileges no longer obtain,

or at least if they want to continue them, they're going to have to cough up a lot more tribute than has been inspect in the past. Isn't it also, too, that the idea, like, you know, and I'm sure we must have had conversations to this effect over the course of the, you know, the first Trump era. But if you're outside of the country and you're looking in, to the country. I mean, you know, the, the idea that Trump gets reelected does not speak to the stability of the United States. And, you know, I wouldn't want to bet the next 10, 15, 20, 30,

50, 70 years of my country's economic future, national security future, whatever future it is, on the United States at this point because it's over. And as soon as like we elected Trump again and he did everything and we're still, you know, I mean, part of it, I'm sure they're looking at the Democrats and saying, you know, I think if you look at the polling, you know, it, you don't see the American publics or lining up behind Trump at this point. but the opposition party does has not gotten that memo. It's really not showing up. Exactly. No.

And so you're just like there's no breaks on this train and it's careening off somewhere. Yeah, I think that's right. And let's also, you know, remember, I mean, you know, they did, you know, they should have gotten the memo in 2016. But they were kind of lulled and sung back to sleep by Joe Biden who came in and said, hey, America's back. We got past that weird anomaly. Let's just get back to business. America's back helping run the rules-based order. It's all good transatlantic relationship. Particularly NATO, right? I mean, does like particularly on it. It's amazing how Biden was all in on this and Trump is completely reversing. Sorry.

Right. No, no, no. But that's right. But I also think, you know, rather than taking, you know, really, you know, addressing some of the factors that gave rise to Trump that are giving rise to these right-wing populist movements across democracies, especially in Europe, it was, it was basically just. like, all right, let's get back to, you know, the kind of unipolar moment that Joe Biden was used to and that most of the people running his foreign policy were used to. And the Europeans were like, okay, we're really comfortable, you know, operating in this way. So let's keep doing that. But now, as Sam said, there is no denying it. There is a certain poetry that the guy who was the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee for, I don't know, decades, I guess, in the Senate. and the guy whose whole shtick was a foreign policy. Remember that speech?

It was so impressive after the debate performance. That was always his thing. I mean, he came in the symmetry. I mean, he came in and replaced Fulbright, not as chair, but Fulbright left that committee because he was primary, and in his words, by the Israel lobby at that time. and he comes in and takes that seat to 54 years ago. And,

and then presides over essentially, like, you know, maybe the car was tipping on the edge of the cliff, but he sort of pushed it over the edge. No, I think that's right. Not only that, I mean, he was like the embodiment of the serious Washington foreign policy establishment and the people around him, the best and brightest, the A team is what,

everyone was told. And yet that you are, you are right. There is some poetry to the fact that this was the team, this was the president, who put the American-led rules-based order in its grave. And we should say, you know, or at least my thoughts on this are, well, this isn't necessarily a bad thing. Like, you know, like, from the perspective of, you know, the ruling class in the United States, it might be.

The U.S. hegemony both, you know, are projecting our foreign power is really just a function of protecting a specific class of people's assets in one form or another or opportunities down the road. And it's quite possible that 10, 15, 20 years from now, without the specter of having to expend resources on those things. I mean, because United States is fairly unique.

You know, Britain didn't have the resources that this country has. I mean, just the natural resources, et cetera. So when their empire fell, it was not a soft landing in any respect. And there was not really the same. It couldn't be as isolated as we could. Right. Or they needed some of that power to project to maintain. in a way that I think the United States may not need as much.

I mean, it's not going to work its way out itself. I mean, people are going to have to. But there's opportunity here. But certainly this marks the, it feels to me, you know, the easy place to mark an end of an era. I agree with that. I mean, the fact that we are having an honest conversation, I think is a positive.

my own view of what the United States should try and do here is, you know, a rules-based order, but for real. I mean, I think that is something that would actually benefit the United States. It would benefit people around the world. What a concept. You're right. The United States still has a lot of advantages. We have resources. We have two huge oceans on either side of us.

We have neighbors to our north and south who are peaceful and friendly, or at least they were friendly. Right. That may change. but there's still a lot to work with here, even though America's relative share of power is declining. But the era we're moving into, and Trump still has three more years to do this, is just an era of global mafia.

I mean, that's really all it is. 100%. And who knows where we'll be. We already see this deal that Canada has now signed with China, and it makes total sense for them to be hedging like this, but just the fact that our closest neighbor to the north with whom we've had a, you know, extremely important relationship that we have completely taken for granted. Now that Canada feels the need to hedge in this way, I think should be an enormous alarm bill.

But we're raising the military budget. I mean, that's the other thing is, is like when we're talking about, yeah, this is gangsterism. And that's, you can also see it as like, this is our Western Hemisphere. We do whatever the hell you want. We want. And then, you know, our vassal state, Israel can commit genocide on our behalf. or whatever. And then Russia, you do whatever the hell you want over there. And like the, but there, we're, we're still loading up on arms. And that's the scary thing here is, is that it's the retreat from international cooperation, but like we are going to continue to be as militaristic as possible. And I think that that, we are a threat to the globe in that way. I agree. I mean, I think this, this kind of global mafia,

is a threat to the globe. It's a threat to Americans and certainly threat to communities outside our borders. We see this. We don't need to look any farther than Latin America for what's happening. But if you look at the national security strategy that came out at the beginning of December, it kind of lays this out. I mean, for a long time, Washington was super hyped up on great power competition. The first Trump administration laid that out as kind of the focus of U.S. foreign policy. The Biden administration certainly followed through on that. They changed It's a strategic competition. But the focus on China, containing China, competing with China, was the real obsession.

Trump has kind of dialed that down a little bit, and it's more kind of a great power collusion, which is, as you said, this is our yard. We get to determine all outcomes here in the Western Hemisphere. And yes, Russia, by virtue of its power gets to kind of determine its sphere of influence. Israel will be our sheriff in the Middle East. It gets to do what it wants. we still have interests in Asia, but China will get some respect as, you know, one of the families represented around the table, but the United States is still the top boss. And when we want to do something, we get to do it simply by virtue of the fact that we are militarily powerful. Right. It's just it's, I can't remember the, the guy's name, but in Chicago walking around the table with the bat, essentially.

Capone. Capone walking around with the bat. Talk just briefly. I mean, you know, you served as Bernie Sanders' foreign policy advisor. Talk about like the relationship between what we're seeing simultaneously, domestically, with what we're seeing in terms of sort of like this mob boss mentality of carving up the world internationally. I mean, you know, people, we're getting stuff like, you know, How is it that these, you know, wealthy elite can't see that it's not in their best interest down the road to, you know, share the wealth or whatnot? And it's like, this is what we see in every, like, repressive, you know, maybe, you know, very often developing countries.

Now, you know, some of them are even more developed countries in the past. Like, we never question, why did Imelda Marcos have, you know, 5,000 pairs of shoes? Like, how could you not, you know, it's just, this is the nature of what they do. Right. I mean, you just, you get so powerful and you have no one to tell you know and you just lose control. You kind of lose touch with reality. That's sort of part of it. But it's also just an ethic of gain, of taking, of constant accumulation.

You know, and listen, I wish some of these fantastically wealthy. people would think a bit more solidaristically. I mean, that might be the first time that's ever happened in history. We see this play out over and over again. But I think the way this connects to our domestic politics, and again, this is something that Bernie has talked about. We have a lot more. I think Democrats talking about this now, whether it's AOC, Chris Murphy, a few others. Part of this is like, you know, reasserting democratic control over wealth and power. I mean, that is that's not going to solve all the problems but the the the enormous influence and power that these fantastically wealthy individuals have over our politics such that they can

essentially obviate democratic control over our economic and political life and this is a longstanding problem again Trump is just the latest iteration of this this corrosion but that really gets at the core of the challenge right now and I think this craziness we're seeing in foreign policy is it's a part of product of that. The lack of Democratic responsiveness to what the public is saying about, I mean, the genocide in Gaza is, is an example of this. You know, and like, you also have, there were dozens of Democrats that joined on to increase military spending in that vote. I believe that was yesterday. Stephen Semler, the pollster point at this point, 4% of Democratic voters want to increase military spending, and 70% of House Democrats just voted to increase military spending.

I mean, and on the issue of Gaza, like, single-digit percentage points from back in August support Israel's military action. That is not proportionate to how the military action in Gaza. That is not proportionate to how the votes are tallied with the Democrats in the House and the Senate. And so like the Republicans are completely undemocratic, but this is like an overall problem really of also corruption and lobbying and money in politics that has completely separated how our leadership operates from public opinion as we call ourselves a democracy. Right. I think that's absolutely right. It's it's about corruption. It's also about elite impunity. It's about the fact that time and time again, the powerful, the well connected, the influential pay no price. And I think that's one of the things we have to look out. You know, why does Trump act this way? Why does Pete Higgseth act this way?

Why do they act as if they won't face any consequences? Well, because they know very well. They won't face any consequences. You know, if you want to kind of understand why Trump fears, doesn't fear accountability, look at the guest list for Dick Cheney's funeral. Right. Okay. I'm sorry.

This is, we don't need for this audience to go through the list of offenses of Dick Cheney, whether the Iraq War, torture, kidnapping, you know, getting his Halliburton buddies into Iraq to take money out by the tens of billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars. And 20 years later, ex-presidents, first ladies, senators, members of Congress, former cabinet secretaries line up to pay their respect. MSNBC hosts. That is elite impunity. That is corruption.

Yeah. And the irony is, I think, like Carney's just saying, we just need a different set of elites. like i mean at the end of the day right i mean carney's not saying we need a more democratic vision for the world it's just that like the leaders that we've had up to this point they're hollowed out now and we need to figure out another strategy now meanwhile zelensky is uh uh gave a speech where he was basically saying that like europe is also not rising to the moment in many respects um you know he's talking obviously from a perspective of Europe being not being aggressive, I think enough

in dealing with what he perceives to be the Russian threat. And he said something to the fact that he sent 15 people to Greenland, you don't seem like you're willing to guard, you know, that country. I happen to think actually like the 15 people made it a little bit more complicated. I think the, you know, had Trump sent. in 500 troops three weeks ago, I think what are they going to do at that point? And I think that was sort of like why they just put nominally some people there so that it made it look like. But the Greenland thing seems to have stopped just because he was being disciplined by the bond market.

And again, like, I mean, it was a classic Taco Trump. I heard this story about the apprentice. And I know this story is true. I can't be too explicit about how I heard this story because the people involved. But Trump wanted to have, what's her name on? Stormy Daniels on the show. He wanted to have Stormy Daniels on the show.

He had expressed this to her. She was asking people, do you think I'm going to get on? and he was bringing it up with the ABC executives and they didn't know what to do. So finally what they did is they basically took a sheet of paper and wrote down a number which they projected to be what they were going to lose in advertising revenue for the show. And his, as an EP, like he participated in that.

They put it on his desk. They went into an meeting and they just put it on his desk. He looked at it. He just saw this and he goes, oh, rolls it up, throws it away, never talks about it again. He had been talking about it for months and months and months, but as soon as he saw he was going to lose a dollar, he was like, forget it. And I sort of like, that's what we keep seeing playing over and over again. So you want to set Stormy Daniels to Greenland is what you're. I mean, the idea is if this guy thinks he's going to lose a buck in some fashion or it's going to cost somebody, he's done.

none of this stuff has been like some type of principled ideological. I think it's been clear. It's not principled. I mean, I think, you know, what you said makes sense. There's also the, you know, people have been asking, you know, what's going on here? And for me, it's like this temptation to try and impose some kind of strategic logic. It's very much that Greenland is big. And he looked at a map and he was like, damn, Greenland's big. I would love for the U.S. to have it. But it's also like he does this. He just throws this stuff out there and everyone spends a week or two weeks running around like crazy trying to figure what we're going to do.

And then he dials it back. When he dials it back, the reasons he dials it back, I think what you're saying helps explain it. But there's also a whole bunch of other things that he's under pressure about that we've not been talking about while we've all been kind of freaking out about Greenland. We can't forget that either. Well, so he's just announced today and people knew this, but I think that we have an aircraft carrier

headed to position itself somewhere I can't recall where exactly it was the but presumably to

give him the option to decide whether he wants to attack Iran or not in ostensibly this is because

Iran has been engaged in a bloody put down of they've killed at least now 5,000 I've heard

numbers up to 20 thousand of protesters and ostensibly, I guess that's why Trump is thinking about doing this. Because he cares about protesters. Trump always supports

human rights and democracy and is always willing to bring the United States in on the sunlight of these principles everywhere. So what, I mean, what is, like, what is, what is going on with it? Like, what is he doing it just for that? Like, to, as a distraction

or to pretend like he's involved in or is it, how tight is it into the idea that Jared Kushner is at Davos basically going like, here's our plan for Gaza. We're going to turn it into Miami Beach and we're going to have essentially concentration camps of Palestinians who, you know, we're going to allow certain ones of them to come and work as like busboys. And all of this reconstruction will be through our shell organizations, of course, and those of our partners. and it's just this absolutely, you know, towering grift.

And how Iran fits into this, you know, there's certainly, he certainly came around. We saw this in June after a massive lobbying campaign by, you know, Net Yahoo and Netanyahu and Netanyahu's allies in Washington, people like Lindsey Graham. He went in and, you know, just bombed for a few days, declared victory. And as he sees that, that actually was a political benefit for him. I mean, he, you know, he loves to declare victory. The polling doesn't show that. And the polling doesn't show that in Venezuela, by the way, either, which by

agree or disagree with it. I disagree with it. I think it was completely illegal and should not have been done. But, you know, tactically, it was an impressively executed raid that he received no polling bump for, you know, which I do think is notable. But, but yet part of the reason why is because people are just like, why did we do that? Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, how does this make, you know, like, wait, it's not, it doesn't, there was not, you know, any of the groundwork set up to like, you know, that we, 90% of the American public does not know the name Maduro. And the honestly, and the idea that like, oh, great, now some, somebody in Qatar is getting Venezuelan oil

money? Like, I, like, what? So I think with Iran now, he threatened, you know, he just threatened for whatever reason the Iranian government, you know, against don't, don't be killing protesters, which they went ahead and did. And now that they've, they unfortunately seem to have quelled

the protests once again, through the massive, application of violence. He is really, you know, he's got people in his ear like Lindsey Graham and these others. You're like, oh, you made a threat. You need to follow through. It'd be bad for your credibility. But there's also in the intervening, you know, weeks we saw reports from, you know, Arab governments in the region, including some very close to Trump.

They don't want a new war in the region. Netanyahu, depending on what kind of reporting you believe, he also wanted to wait in part to get more U.S. assets in the region to help with the very likely. Iranian response in terms of missiles and drones being fired back at Israel. So it does seem like those assets are now in place should Trump, you know, choose to strike. But even, you know, a few weeks ago, when the protests were much larger, the kind of argument for doing it, if you're really interested in helping in the protesters, it was extremely weak. There's like no path to show me how striking Iran actually helps the protesters win and democracy to come Iran. There's really no way it would do that.

But a way, it's just a way to punish the Iranian government for people who've always been trying to get up a conflict between the U.S. and Iranians. But for Netanyahu's purposes here, I mean, a military buildup of U.S. aircrafts in the region, he probably sees this as another way to manipulate Donald Trump once again. Because Iran does have the capability to strike back at Israel. They do. And if they do significant damage and there are U.S. aircraft. carriers in the region and you have the Stephen Miller's, by the way, a rabid Zionist and anti-Palestinian

racist in his ear saying well you got to look strong here too. What are you going to do is take that lying down? I mean, that's my fear here as I'm very pessimistic on this casual Friday. That's right. I would add a thing here is that Iran has

you know, having spoken to a number of Israeli analysts, they know that Iran has actually been able to reconstitute their ballistic missile capability faster than was expected. They have not fully done it, but it is now very formidable again. So part of this is just Netanyahu wanting the United States to help him go in and mow the lawn again. That's an offensive term. I hate using it, but that is how they refer to it. This is their policy for Gaza for many years. When we see Hamas or Islamic jihad or some of these other

factions getting too powerful, we go in, we do a bunch of strikes, we kill a bunch of people, we destroy a bunch of rocket facilities. We mow the lawn and then we restore a kind of status quo that we're comfortable with. And I think that's part of what's going on with Netanyahu here. I guess lastly, I mean, do you think like we are like the Venezuela thing is done? I mean, that we have, Delsey Rodriguez is basically like, we're going to, I'm going to pay you off. And, you know, she'll get, who knows. imagine some benefit out of it. I don't know what kind it would be, you know, but for all we know,

maybe she gets cash from it. Maybe she just keeps the United States from invading Venezuela, although that seems absurd. But it feels like another one of those situations where Trump went in there because, you know, maybe Scott Bessence, the hedge fund buddy, needed some cash. And boom, we did that. We have the, you know, the loan terms that we want now. And we've just bumped ahead to being first creditor. And then he just walks away. It's his mission accomplished. I got rid of Maduro. Like I say, most Americans, I don't even think we're paying attention to, okay. And you can't see anything and that's and that's it. We're done. He's just on to the next thing. Right. I mean, I think that's right, but you know, what's maddening here and this is, you know, everything is not

Iraq, but one of the ways in which Venezuela did remind me of Iraq is that there was like a buffet of arguments for different audiences and you can pick the one that is most tasty to you, whether it's the oil, whether it's immigration, whether it's drugs, whether it's Cuba. And, you know, for Marco Rubia, it's definitely Cuba. Now, he is someone who is clearly disappointed. that we didn't go all the way, that we kind of just did a regime decapitation. But if the new Rodriguez government is going to kind of really diminish support for Cuba, which it seems that they could be, that could satisfy his purpose as well. But in the longer term, you know, it just, as you said,

it just seems like we did this operation and we're going to leave this government in place, essentially. Is there anything else that we should touch on? I mean, it's a huge, crappy world right now. and I don't want to leave anything. I don't want to leave anything on the table, as it were. Well, I have just a slight, maybe all, this opens us up just to turn us domestically a little bit. Like, we're talking about Iraq so much. We open our discussions, speaking about the Iraq war and that being really where this all corroded.

I mean, domestically, DHS, ICE, you know, it, it all traces back to the war on terror. And I, yeah, I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's incredible. to see how much of the like the erosion of civil liberties and the brutality of both abroad and home is all embedded in the infrastructure that came out of the war on terror. Yeah. And these guys walking around in this tactical gear wearing desert camo in Minnesota. I mean, what? You know, and this has been a problem with police forces long before now. You've got, I mean, you know, and watching them just like break into these homes, I mean, there was this guy. that it was in the news, you know, over the past week, this, this older guy who was dragged out in the middle of sub-zero weather in his underwear turned out a complete misidentification. This is, you know, an occupation. Yeah.

And as we learn more, too, about the detention part of it, I think it's going to be even more disturbing. Matt Duss, thanks. Sorry? Yeah. Really, really sorry. Appreciate you coming on. Executive Vice President of the Center for International Policy, co-host of the Undiplomatic Podcast.

We'll put links to both of those in our podcast and YouTube description. Thanks, Matt. Really appreciate it. Thanks a lot. Thank you. Well, I don't know what else to say about that. We're going to be talking about you. I want to take some calls from Minnesota again today in the fun half.

as there's an ongoing strike there. Also, and maybe we'll play a clip from this PBS report. What's going on at these detention centers, if we ever really get it widely exposed, I think are going to be just crimes against humanity. I've heard reports of a detention center, up in New Hampshire, where not only are they feeding people like, you know, just the bare minimum, some of it's like rotted food, et cetera, et cetera.

But people are in incredibly, they're not providing clothes or warmth. There's no heat on in these facilities. And they're not allowing people blankets or any type of clothes. the whole idea seems to be to take people who are not actually undocumented, people who are in process of maybe refugee status, maybe asylum proceedings, whatever proceedings they're in the midst of, which means that they're not here illegally. They are literally here within the legal process. maybe this also applies to even people who are here without documentation.

And the idea is that they are essentially attempting to torture them to the point where people give up their claims for asylum, for refugee status, or in pursuit of whatever, their green card, or in pursuit of their citizenship, whatever. it is. It's a concentration, they're concentration camps. They're not, they're not paying,

they haven't paid for their medical care since October. There's over 70,000 people detained. What does that mean? They just stopped. You think 70,000 people have no health issues? And let's be clear. Again, this is an agency that has received the biggest bump in,

in funding, one that propelled it to, a budget larger than many, many countries' military. So it's not, this is not for lack of money. This is a willful policy choice to essentially torture these people. I just want to be fair and say DHS has tweeted out denials of all of this. Oh, thank you. Thank you, Brian.

Thank you, Tony. Two cuts. Yeah, Tokapil. It's Whiskey Fridays here, ladies and gentlemen. I mean, maybe. I don't even like whiskey and I'm like, okay, maybe. What's the polymarket on mass graves at these places? Oh, yeah, well.

All right, well, what should we do? Should we do? You want to play this Minneapolis thing before the fun half? This is just a scene here from Sarah Lazar, editor-re, reporter at Workday Magazine. She's on the scene here. and there's looks like clergy protesting at the airport, and I believe there are some arrests later in here, but here are them singing about abducted people from ICE.

Everybody's got a right to vote. Everybody's got a right to lay. And before this campaign fans, we'll all go down to jail. Everybody's got a right to live. everybody's That's lovely A lot of people

Not going to work Not going to school Not shopping today in Minnesota Also freezing cold there Obviously I saw minus 8 was The real feel they're arresting We'll play this in the fun half too

But the woman Who was We played the footage of In the church that Don Lemon took where they were disrupting a church service because one of the pastors there is a

like a literal ICE agent. Dispicable. And the Trump administration wanted Don Lemon to be arrested. Judge has refused. Judge refused. But they did arrest the woman who's a pastor and she's a black woman.

they as of this morning she's still in detention and they digitally altered an image do we have the images of that yeah i mean the images in the video do you want to just play this i mean i was listening to this this morning just my blood boiling this is uh they were trying to get her on this morning um her name is namika uh levy armstrong nekima no sorry makima um and this is her uh this is her uh her lawyer who was on Democracy Now this morning explaining how this arrest went down. Well, the arrest was a horrible ordeal. She was, and some other people in her group were staying in a hotel. The group of FBI and Homeland Security agents busted into the hotel the night before her arrest,

rough people up. They were thrown out by the management. Later on at 3 in the morning, someone left Nekima, leave your Armstrong's room. The police tacked or the agents tackled her violence. and took her to her detention facility before they realized that she wasn't Leakee Levy Armstrong. So she was obviously terrified about turning herself in. A legal team, including myself, went to the hotel that morning. We contacted, reached out to agents to try to arrange for her to turn herself in voluntarily at the

federal courthouse, which was only about six blocks away. They put the US attorney for the district of Minnesota, a Trump appointee Dan Rosen. He called me himself. I made my request to him. He said it was very reasonable, and he was just going to call me back in a few minutes with the specific logistics. Then he calls back and says, oh, we're not going to let her turn herself in. We need to arrest her at the hotel. So she needs to voluntarily leave the hotel room and turn herself in.

So after he talked to his bosses in D.C., he had completely reneged on his commitment. They then sent agents up there to the hotel room to arrest her. One of the agents was filming the arrest. As they put her in handcuffs, he was filming it on his cell phone. I've never seen anything like that. They can have their body cameras. This was completely unprofessional. He said he was just doing it because of instructions,

and he promised it wasn't going to go on Twitter. Nevertheless, it went on Twitter. It went on the Department of Justice's Twitter, so this was her trophy. And then, as you said, the White House subsequently altered the video to make it look like she was crying. I observed the whole arrest. She was dignified, rational, calm and reasonable the whole time. It just shows the complete political motivation of the government and making this a circus. This has nothing to do with enforcing the law. It has nothing to do with protecting on anyone's religious rights. It's all about, it's about, frankly,

just about fascism. I mean, in a fascist, I don't know what else there is to add on that. I mean, they are manipulating this. The whole thing was a setup. Yes. And the, I mean, I would just say the issue here isn't that a mascot disrupted. The issue is that an ICE director is the pastor, and he's supporting the active ongoing occupation of that community. That's not peacefully worshiping, in my opinion. And he explained at another point in the interview, the lawyer, that they're basically charging her with a civil rights era law that was about saying

that she was basically infringing upon the civil rights of the worshippers in the church as a pastor herself. And I'd just like to also emphasize that it's a southern, Baptist Church. It's in Minnesota, interesting, but just people should know the Southern was added because the church split because a lot of the Southern Baptists wanted to continue supporting slavery. In the 90s, they apologized for all that. Five years ago, they turned back on that and said, there's too much CRT, too much of this white guilt stuff going on. Young people that go to that church should know that about the church. Because I saw it on Reddit, a lot of people

had no idea where the southern comes from in Southern Baptist. People should know about this stuff. It's time for a little bit of sunlight to disinfect some of these spaces. All right. We're going to head into the fun half, but Stars Pond says, can you recommend where we could donate to help people fight, survive in Minnesota? If you go to stand with Minnesota.com, I believe there's a couple of places. They actually have a very long. list of places where you can donate. So stand with Minnesota. Mutualaid.com. Yep. You have rent. There's rent relief, food support, mutual aid. We'll put a link to that down below. All right, folks. We're going to head into the fun half before we do. Just a reminder, you can

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and Muhammad bin Salman. And you'll be surprised at who comes out on top. Maybe we won't be. All right, folks, quick break, fun half. Three months from now, six months from now, nine months from now. And I don't think it's going to be the same as it looks like in six months from now. And I don't know if it's necessarily going to be better six months from now than it is three months from now. but I think around 18 months out we're going to look back and go like wow what is that going on it's nuts wait a second hold on for hold on for a second Emma welcome to the program hey man what is up everyone fun

no me keen you did it let's go Brandon let's go Brandon Bradley, you want to say hello? Sorry to disappointment. Everyone, I'm just a random guy. It's all the boys today. Fundamentally false. No, I'm sorry. Women?

Stop talking for a second. Let me finish. Where is this coming from, dude? But dude, you want to smoke this? 7.8? Yes. Yes? Oh, it's me.

I think it is you. Who is you? No sound. Every single freaking day. What's on your mind? We can discuss free markets, and we can discuss capitalists. I'm gonna go to life. Libertarians.

They're so stupid, though. Common sense says, of course. Gobbled euk. We fucking nailed him. So what's 79 plus 21? Challenge met. I'm positively clivering. I believe 96, I want to say.

857. 210. 35. 501. 1 half. 3-8s. 9-11 for instance. $3,400,

$1,900. $6.5, $3 trillion sold. It's a zero-sum game. Actually, you're making anything less. But let me say this. Poop. You call it satire, Sam goes satire.

On top of it all? My favorite part about you is just like every day, all day, like everything you do. Without a doubt. Hey, buddy, we see you. Obviously. Yeah. Sons out, guns out. Don't know.

But you should know. People just don't like to entertain ideas anymore. I have a question. Who cares? Our chat is enabled, folks. I love it. I do love that. Got a jump.

I got to be quick. I get a jump. I'm a lose. We're already late. And the guy's being a dick. So screw him. Sent to a gulaw? Outrage.

Like, what is wrong with you? Love you. Bye. Love you. Bye-bye.