The Majority Report with Sam Seder - 3566 - Bolton Raided & Trump’s Christo-Fascist Crusade w/ Eleanor Janega & Derek Davison

Episode Date: August 22, 2025

It's Casual Friday on the Majority Report On today's show: John Bolton's home and office have been raided at the behest of Pam Bondi but Trump "knows nothing about it". despite a five-year history of threatening Bolton with much worse than a raid. Publisher of the Foreign Exchange Newsletter and host of the American Prestige, Derek Davison and Medieval historian and Author Eleanor Janega joins us to wrap up the week's news. Check out Eleanor and Derek's new mini-series "Welcome to the Crusades from American Prestige" at: welcometothecrusades.com In the Fun Half: Matt Walsh is triggered by women on social media supporting a college football who cried about missing his family and subsequently sends his young male listeners down a toxic road of loneliness and unhealthy relationships with a half-baked rant. CNBC finally airs a correction of Jonathan Greenblatt's lies he spread about Zohran Mamdani on Squawk Box some days before. Omar Fateh responds to the DFL rescinding their endorsement from his campaign. An Eric Adams staffer makes a baffling attempt to bride a local reporter with a wad of cash stuffed into a potato chips bag. All that and more. The Congress switchboard number is [phone]. You can use this number to connect with either the U.S. Senate or the House of Representatives. Follow us on TikTok here: https://www.tiktok.com/@majorityreportfm Check us out on Twitch here: https://www.twitch.tv/themajorityreport Find our Rumble stream here: https://rumble.com/user/majorityreport Check out our alt YouTube channel here: https://www.youtube.com/majorityreportlive Gift a Majority Report subscription here: https://fans.fm/majority/gift Subscribe to the ESVN YouTube channel here: https://www.youtube.com/esvnshow Subscribe to the AMQuickie newsletter here: https://am-quickie.ghost.io/ Join the Majority Report Discord! https://majoritydiscord.com/ Get all your MR merch at our store: https://shop.majorityreportradio.com/ Get the free Majority Report App!: https://majority.fm/app Go to https://JustCoffee.coop and use coupon code majority to get 10% off your purchase Check out today's sponsors:   SUNSET LAKE: Head on over to Sunset LakeCBD.com and use code Majority for 15% off your first order. Follow the Majority Report crew on Twitter: @SamSeder @EmmaVigeland @MattLech Check out Matt’s show, Left Reckoning, on YouTube, and subscribe on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/leftreckoning Check out Matt Binder’s YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/mattbinder Subscribe to Brandon’s show The Discourse on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/ExpandTheDiscourse Check out Ava Raiza’s music here! https://avaraiza.bandcamp.com/ The Majority Report with Sam Seder – https://majorityreportradio.com

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We are broadcasting live steps from the industrially ravaged Gowanus Canal in the heartland of America, downtown Brooklyn, USA. On the program today, Derek Davison and Eleanor Janega of American Prestige and the new podcast Welcome to the Crusades will both be joining us to recap this week in news. Also on the program, Global Food Monitor IPC officially declares a famine in Gaza, warning that the, quote, worst-case scenario is unfolding with half a million people already experiencing famine.

Israel's defense minister says, Israel will destroy all of Gaza City quote the gates of hell will open what could he mean by that it's a marginal figure it doesn't represent all of Israel Russia strikes a U.S. factory in Ukraine overnight

the FBI raids John Bolton's home and office an escalation of Trump's efforts to prosecute his critics, no matter how much we may find them loathsome. The White House will review 55 million U.S.

visa holders for violations, which experts say is a wildly inflated figure, including tens of millions of people not currently in the U.S. A federal judge says Alligator Alcatraz must cease construction,

halting its operations effectively, and giving the government 60 days to dismantle it, siding with the indigenous groups that brought environmental objections. Some rare good news. Less so here. The Supreme Court 5 to 4 overturns a lower court decision, allowing the NIH to terminate nearly $800 million in federal grants related to diversity. Newsom officially signed legislation,

putting California's redrawn map on the ballot in November. In Minneapolis, the not-so-democratic farmer-labor party revokes its endorsement of Omar Fate. Jerome Powell signals that rate cuts may be coming as Trump's tariff's slow growth and inflate prices. Elon Musk and X settle with their former workers over stolen severance pay, but his legal woes don't end there. a federal judge says he may be sued over defrauding voters with his a million dollar a day election giveaway and lastly

new Eric Adams' bribery scandal drops and it's somehow funnier than the last one of his advisors tried to bribe a reporter by putting cash in a bag of potato chips I'm not joking all this and more

on today's majority report welcome to the show everybody it is casual friday um sorry a bit for the late start today we had some technical stuff that we're working on so um pandemic anxiety is a little anxious that the rumble stream is not up you know one of the sorry pandemics of viewers on rumble yeah well probably the only one really is pandemic anxiety who holding it down who is um i'm afraid to say not sincere uh that's a that's a joke name but uh yeah unfortunately our usual relay for sending this to all the different apps is not working today for some reason. So probably no rumble.

But hopefully the app is working if you refresh the app. And we're up on Twitch as well. NASA County spokesperson writes in ScrewDFL donate to Omar Fate. I mean, we'll get into this more in the fun half. But Matt, just your reaction to this incredibly undemocratic action. Yeah. So, I mean, what happened basically is what happens at caucuses

which is the most devoted folks can sometimes get a result that maybe the lax establishment doesn't like and Jeremy Fry there was from what I can gather like not the smoothest convention ran and he and his

supporters decided oh let's just pull out of this and Fate was able to secure after they did that as secure the nomination and immediately Jacob Fry was basically doing stop the steel type of that didn't count sort of thing because he's got a lot of money and also there's a conservative streak in the dFL that is afraid to have a frankly a Somali socialist as a figurehead and it's you know indicative of the dFL supposedly one of the

better you know parties right um and we talked a lot about a lot of the things that have been passed in a very slim legislature there. But Fate is somebody who was literally put on the backs of Uber and lift drivers for securing their minimum wage for them that both Fry and Wals opposed, the establishment in Minnesota and Wals indeed endorsed Fry a couple weeks ago. So, but I don't think this is over. I think it shows a lot of weakness in Fry that it had, it's gone this far. So, like, this is a bad day for FATA, but they're kind of playing from behind when you're saying, actually, we didn't mean that endorsement.

Let's make our whole party look basically incompetent. Like, if you can't trust, if you can't trust them with your own convention, how can you trust them with the state of Minnesota or a city like Minneapolis? I mean, it's not, it's more than just FATA. What is so infuriating is seeing this complete dismissal of all of these East African. folks who were activated by the political process and had more enthusiasm on their side. And is the Democratic Party a big tent for immigrants and for people of color? It appears to be not the case with the Minnesota DFL right now. Certain types of people can be in the tent.

They just can't be leading the circus. Exactly. Well, on to national news here, the big story that broke this morning is that, Donald Trump is escalating his efforts to attack and intimidate his critics. This is perhaps the most loathsome critic of his that I could come up with. And there's a real cast of characters that we could choose from here. John Bolton, he served in Donald Trump's first term. Since then, he has been selling books based on his criticisms of Donald Trump,

which largely center around the fact that he thinks Trump should be more hawkish basically in every single area that we should go into war with Iran. When Trump got back into office at the beginning of the year, he revoked John Bolton's security clearance as well as like others,

Joe Biden's, Hunter Biden's, in a kind of sweeping effort to be as petty as possible. But it's an important story not because I can, can defend literally anything John Bolton has ever done, but because this is potentially a trial balloon for him to continue to go after his critics in other areas.

This is Trump this morning being asked about the FBI raid on John Bolton's home and office in Maryland this morning. And you'll hear this excuse, literally from Donald Trump probably three to four times a week. This might be the least believable attempt at the i know nothing about it so i'll fire her if she doesn't resign oh i pause it that is in reference to a uh of the latest fed official that he's bullying another story that's going to just go completely under the radar because of all the insanity today so i'll fire her if she doesn't

Mr. President, have you been briefed on the FBI radio of John Bolton? No, I don't know about it. I saw it on television this morning. I'm not a fan of John Ball. He's a real sort of a low life. When I hired him, he served a good purpose because, as you know, he was one of the people that forced push to do the ridiculous bombings in the Middle East of Bolton. He wants to always kill people. and he's very bad at what he does but he worked out great for me because every time he doesn't talk he's like a very quiet person

except on television if he could say something bad about Trump or always do that but he really doesn't talk he's quiet and I'd walk into a room with him with a foreign country and the foreign country would give me everything because they said oh no they're going to get blown up because John Bolton is there

he's a not a smart guy but he could be a very unpatriatic I mean we're going to find out I know nothing about I just saw it this morning. They did a raid. Do you expect the DOJ to break you on this? Yeah, they'll be, they'll break me, probably today sometime. And the poor minister, I don't want, I tell Pam and I tell the group, I don't want to know

about it, just you have to do what you have to do. I don't want to know about it. It's not necessary. I could know about it. I could be the one starting it. I'm actually the chief law enforcement officer, uh, but I feel that it's better this way. Okay. Oh, he's so, he's above it. He would never be, it's your parents of impropriety. Yeah, come on. The norms, the norms, media. His most legendary, this is the first time you're ever telling me about this was the Ruth

Bader Ginsburg one when she died, which I think might have been his only authentic attempt at that. I'm not sure, but we don't need to psychoanalyze this guy for too much longer. You are not the chief law enforcement officer in the country. I don't really know how else to say it. It is troubling that he sees basically his function as the head of the military. That is the president's basically formal role, constitutionally allocated role, with being the chief domestic law enforcement officer in this country. The commander in chief of law enforcement.

He's like a little boy in a town that wants to be a cop growing up. He needs to get some experience first. he, as the new chief law enforcement officer in the United States, this is him, I guess this was what, yesterday or this morning? Yes, this was yesterday.

He called into the Todd Starns show to talk about how he's going to get some experience with law enforcement. What's this image, by the way? Is that AI? Yeah. It's embarrassing.

To me, this looks like is someone making fun of him, and I had to double check that this is the AI image that Todd Starns himself put up. It looks foolish. I think he looks strong. And I'm going to be going out tonight. I'm going to keep it a secret, but I'm going to go, you're the only one that does. You and you're lots of

listeners. You have a very successful show, by the way, in case you haven't heard that. But I'm going to be going out tonight, I think, with the police, and with the military, of course. So we're going to do a job. The National Guard is great. They've done a fantastic job. So he's going to do a little ride along

with a cop. We're going to do a job as another one if you put a like a pole string on a Trump doll. Right. We're going to do a job. Dude, when he said you're the chief law enforcement officer in the country and right before that he had said that he just lets Pam Bondi do her thing and that he has a lot

of big separation from her, she is by law, the top law enforcement officer in the country. She's the U.S. Attorney General. so that's not how that works buddy which which one is it are you basically using pam bondi as a puppet to be the chief law enforcement officer in the country or is she the chief law enforcement officer in the country i'll get back to you in two weeks yes yes it's a semi firm deadline in 2020 Trump tweeted this out about john bolton feels a little relevant today bolton broke the law and has been called out and rebuked for so doing This is attempted being high-fully. I think he wrote that one himself, actually.

With a really big price to pay, he likes dropping bombs on people and killing them. Now he will have bombs dropped on him. He was president in that time, saying he was going to drop a bomb on his former national security advisor on, like, domestic soil. Figurative bombs. How are you going to pretend you're the dove here, buddy? You're literally doing genocide. right now. You are presiding over what the UN just said was the starvation currently of half a million people imposed by Israel and the United States. Later in the show, we will play a clip from CBS of another whistleblower from the so-called Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, which has been put together by U.S. consultants. A consulting group, the Boston, I'm forgetting the exact acronym, BCG, which Netanyahu previously worked at. You know, when he grew up in part in the United States, just a bit of a coincidence.

They were involved in setting up this Gaza humanitarian foundation, and they are participating in the slaughter, according to these whistleblowers, of folks waiting for aid, bragging, according to the whistleblower, about how many animals and human beings they could kill shooting at them from a long way away. This is Donald Trump's foreign policy. He's allowing for the annexation of the West Bank. Just because you're not making the exact decision to bomb Gaza and you're big, you have some plausible deniability because our vassal state does it for you, doesn't make you anti-war. And also, dude, when he got into power the first time, to the way he got to show off how his, your pretend,

he was a big down there basically was going and dropping the mother of all bombs on Afghanistan to show that he was a big a big dog basically. You are not anti-war. I mean, how did Bolton feel about the strikes against Iran earlier

this year? I'm sure he was he, he, the, the true part is that he wished that we were more directly involved. But Donald Trump is not, is too transactional, honestly. I think for Bolton's ideology of like deep Islamophobia and bloodlust to win out at the end it's more just like if Trump

can get rich off of it he'll agree to it but either way um the precedent this sets is concerning to be fair bolton thought we should have done more um and and of course uh in iran but yeah he he was the driving force behind wanting after bush we had already invaded iraq and afghanistan he wanted to open it up in this in his second term to a war with iran that's how insane this guy is. So no love lost here, but of course, who's next? He also, when asked about January 6th, he said it wasn't a coup because he knew as a person who's partaken in a lot of coup. I love that. Quiet part out loud. It was like the right-wing neocon version of the Chris Murphy tweet about our Venezuela coup. In a moment, we will be speaking to Derek Davidson and Eleanor

Yanega but for oh no wait we just did our ad read but first we'll take a break no ads okay no ads except for sunset lakes so a quick break and when we come back we'll be joined by our guests You know, I'm going to do you know, and yeah

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And so much. And so yeah. Thank you. You know, and then. We are back, and we are joined now by Derek Davison and Eleanor Janega. Derek is the writer and publisher of the Foreign Exchange's newsletter and co-hosts of the American Prestige podcast. Eleanor is a medieval historian and author of The Once and Future Sex Going Medieval on Women's Role's.

society. Derek and Eleanor, welcome to the show. Hey, thanks so much for having. Thanks for having us. Of course. Derek, we've, we've had you on before. I heard you guys on on Chapo a little bit. People can check out that episode, but exciting stuff. Tell us a little bit about your new Crusades podcast. It's a little relevant, as you mentioned in the show, because our Secretary of Defense has a bunch of Crusades tattoos. Yeah, he's going around with a little body modification What is old as new again

Tell us a bit about it It's one of these things where I really wish Talking about the Crusades Wasn't particularly relevant But unfortunately You know people don't study The medieval period And I get it

It's a long time ago It's incredibly complicated You would have to learn things And we're pretty busy at the moment But the trouble with that Is that it lets people Like our Secretary of Defense Tell a story

About how nice nights on horses went and did a big religious war and it was really cool. And these goes are actually a bunch of losers who like basically somehow like a stumble over their horses and land on their feet in Jerusalem somehow. We're not exactly sure how we are. It's just like the element of surprise. And you know, a couple hundred years later, people are telling really stupid stories about this. You know, it's dangerous stuff. And unfortunately, if we don't talk about medieval history on the left, then it just lets the right tell weird mythologies and put themselves at the center of it. And so, yeah, I'm here to ruin their day, which is fun. So you're a

Christo-fascist mythbuster, would you say? Is that a good way to describe your role? I'm attempting to be, anyway. And it's not even that hard to bust the myths. That's the thing about it. It's really sad. You just have to, like, read one book and you're ahead of them. But nobody does, which is fair enough, right? And I do want to say, like, we, if people would like to listen to the series and just get the medieval stuff and listen to us, talk about the Crusades, we don't really get into Pete Heggsett's tattoos until the last episode. So there's a lot of nice medieval history content, if that's what you're interested in. I'll skip to the end then a little bit just to make sure we bring your great work into like our current, you know, political context. on we're wrapping up the news of the week this week on Friday and it just feels like I never like when Monday hits I forget what the big headlines were and yet they're always kind of all the same Gaza genocide far right Christian nationalists the alligator alcatraz this mass deportation like I mean really really big picture view how as people who are you know

know, historians and work in analyzing our history. How do you place this moment that we're experiencing right now in history? It's a bit of a big question. I think that it's kind of a logical conclusion to a particularized form of history that they have really been attempting to push forward. You know, and we're seeing this right now, for example, in the backlash against museums in Washington, D.C., attempting to tell sanitized versions of history that don't involve anything that might make you sad. You don't have to go very far between the Ghazan genocide and Christo nationalism. It's the same thing.

They're two parts of the same coin. And indeed, they hinge on these mythologies that people tell about the Crusades. And I think it's a little bit odd because, you know, obviously I'm obsessed with the medieval period. I studied all the time. But I've never really looked at history, you know, saying, oh, this is going to tell me a story that's going to make me feel good about myself. You know, like history is where I see.

myself reflected. But you do see people do that. And that's why you get pushes to putting forward these things. And it's also why you get alligator alcatraz, right? Because anyone who becomes inconvenient to that narrative has to be literally removed from your society because it is troubling a story you have been violently invested in telling for quite some time. Well, Derek, can you expand on that, too, because it's amazing that these right-wing white male conservatives do not think that their perspective is accurately reflected in history or kind enough to them. It's absolutely incredible victimhood and so, so pathetic when you really say it that way. Well, it's essential to the narrative, right? Like, you have to be simultaneously an alpha male and victimized by literally everyone else.

society. That's Trump. That's fascism, right? Yeah, that's absolutely Trump. I mean, he's, you know, he projects this weird image of masculinity, which I don't see, but a lot of people apparently do. But at the same time, like his whole animating ethos is one grievance after another. You know, it's like Graydon, what the hell is that guy saying? Graydon Carter and his Oscar party, or it's, you know, the, you know, Obama was mean to me at the White House correspondence dinner or, you know, they're stealing the election. I mean, it's always just somebody's putting upon poor helpless Donald, and that's, you know, how he rallies people.

I mean, it's, it's, they, they have to go together or else the whole messaging falls apart. And it feels very much like a continuation of the lost cause. Like the efforts to rewrite history here are. very there are many historical parallels but that's the one that sticks out the most to me where okay his war against the smithsonian seems incredibly petty because it is and precious but it's indicative of broader policies of the administration either of you guys can take this but like the supreme court now just this morning or this morning five to four Amy Coney-Barritt sided with the right-wingers and then John Roberts sided with the liberal, so it was 5-4, but it still overturned this lower court decision that basically allowed for the revocation of $800 million in NIH research that would focus on basically non-white people, LGBTQ people, folks who were, and I'm not sure if it's women, but these are groups that were not studied medically, for example,

for a long period of time and it's why like women's health care is so far behind men this has implications for like the future of intellectual exploration and research and medical advancement and stuff

over the next four years that's going to be very difficult to recoup as China laps us technologically either of you guys can take it yeah it's a very interesting seeding of ground in terms of saying that we're just not going to be at the hegemon

in terms of what academic thought is, which is really interesting to me. But it also makes perfect sense within their worldview because what they're attempting to do here is isolate a certain group of people who are worthy of receiving health care, who are white men. And everyone else, you just don't need it. Don't worry about it. You don't need to worry about that, right?

And I think from the perspective of women, And it's interesting because it's also sort of like, oh, why do you need it? You know, the only time that women's bodies kind of come up medically, historically, is when we're giving birth. And then it's like, oh, well, now it's important. She might have a, she might have a boy. And then, and then, like, her existence would be valid and that'd be interesting. And of course, we see this play out much, much worse in terms of how health incomes work for minority groups. You know, it's still incredibly prevalent, for example, among medical professionals to think that black people, for example,

feel pain less acutely. And of course, there's going to be a vested interest in making sure that science doesn't enter the record. Quite what they see happening or how that's going to pan out in terms of us against China. I think that basically they're just really stupid and they don't care.

They're willing to see this ground because they don't see that as a necessary playing field or anywhere that you need to be looking. And they're fine. You know, oh, well, if Chinese people want to look into how medicine will be plenty of people not find, I guess, is what they're reporting to say. Yeah, I mean, there's a conscious, I think, effort to, not effort, but a willingness to give ground on things that they just don't find important. And it is to some extent. I mean, you know, they did the same thing with USA and when they cut the foreign aid budget to the bone.

It gives ground a way to China, but it's ground that they don't see as particularly important. These guys are not, they're not not hegemonically minded. I would say they're not, you know, reducing in a conscious way, trying to lessen the U.S. presence in the world or seed ground. They just feel like it's more important for us to have, you know, $1.2 trillion military. and project power that way and the rest of the world and and bully you know use that power the economic power and the military power to kind of bully the rest of the world to fall in line as opposed to the so-called you know soft power kinds of things they're more willing to give that up yeah and um it's also this enclosure around like existing extractive industries too

is something that I think is interesting to explore where, look, I'm not going to be a defender of unfettered free trade, but the idea that we should be kind of like issuing technological advancements in things like green energy in order to just section everybody off and reify existing industries. It's like this, I mean, Trump's age doesn't get in the headlines enough, But he's talking about death all the time. And it feels like the last gasp of a group of really, really greedy capitalist old guys that want to just get theirs while they can.

And I'm sorry, there's somebody doing construction outside. So that's why you're you're expanding. Majority report is expanding folks. It's driving the studio as we're talking. Yeah, I think you're right. I mean, there is a certain. And I think a lot of this comes from Trump. because the people around him tend to be younger,

and I suspect know better, but Trump drives a lot of the tariff stuff and the, you know, the really, let's bring back the factories. And, you know, certain people around him, like, you know, Howard Lutwick and the really old guard types,

do have this vision of, like, America as, you know, the industrial power of the world. But it's a, it's a fantasy. And it's, it's, It's not, they're not even pursuing it in a serious way. Like, you can't just throw up 50% tariffs on India or, you know, 30% tariffs on China or even the 140% or whatever we were at with China before their deal and say, okay, magically now we're going to start manufacturing, you know, electronics or we're going to start manufacturing

like basic shit in the United States. It doesn't work that way. The entire economy has been geared toward financial. financialization toward banking and that sector for so long there would be you would have to have a fundamental reconstruction of the U.S. economy at this point that they're clearly not interested in pursuing because it's not bankers in Trump's, you know, who are in Trump's year too. They don't want to want to see that happen. And so it's not even a serious push. It's just sort of this like half-hearted look we're bringing back the factories. They're

they're really not, but it's sort of a stop, I think, to that, that mindset. Go ahead, Eleanor. Yeah, I think it's quite interesting because I think you're really onto something here, Emma, where for a certain number of them, I think it's about the fact that this is not going to matter to me. I'm going to be dead by the time the, you know, climate change really kicks in. By the time any of this really has any meaning, you know, and, you know, screw my grandkids. I'm going to make this money now. And I think it is also a little bit,

this is kind of the equivalent of your granddad asking you how you rotate PDF, right? It's like, it's too difficult to kind of learn a new economic system. So we're just not going to do that. I don't feel like doing it. I know this makes money right now in the short term. And so this is going to be a problem

for everybody else down the line. And, you know, fundamentally, just saying things like that can do two things. It doesn't mean that you have to undo all the snarls of neoliberalism that have brought us to this point. I mean, everyone can agree that probably it would have been good if we had some manufacturing going on, but it doesn't also ask that you do anything. And I think that a lot of the governments that see themselves as, you know, the global leaders are really in that position right now, whereas simultaneously,

they're just kind of like hoping that they can, they can say something and then, you know, the line's going to go back up and everything's going to be fine and you don't need to worry about it. but without the major investment that would be required for infrastructure to make any of that work. Right. I mean, the financialization of it just sticks out to me so much, too, when you see how much money is being wasted on basically our AI investments versus the dollar-to-dollar comparisons for China, which is lapping us technologically, but it's not, you know, increasing the stock value. so that level of efficiency doesn't exist in our economy because it's so heavily financialized

and everyone needs a cut. Have any of you guys bought the AI mattress covered? I think that was the last one. I saw the AI mattress pad. No, haven't heard about that. Okay, well, I mean, you're not sleep maxing then, I guess. I guess not. Wait, can AI make your bed now?

Well, AI cools your bed, but it's like a subscription service. Yeah, you have to get a subscription. So it monitors how you sleep and it just, I don't know if it's just temperature. What I was thinking about when I saw the post about it, I was laughing. And then I found out it runs on a subscription service. So if you forget to change the expiration date on your credit card, I don't know if it like sends you a little electric shock to wake you up in the middle of the night to remind you to do that or what, but I'm excited for the possibility.

It might be a sponsor so easy. I think that they should. But anyone who spends money on this should just be shocked as a matter of principles. So I'm actually, I'm on board with big tech on this one. It's fine. There you go. I got you. All right.

Yeah, well, it's the people that also get chip, or volunteering to get chips in their brains from Elon Musk. It's kind of like, all right, I'm not going to be one of those right wingers that they're like, Darwinism at work. But in that's those select circumstances, you kind of know what you're in for, right? You've opted into that, yeah. Yeah. And you're also probably fairly rich or like, you know, I don't know.

way too far down the rapidol anyway that a chip's not going to in your brain's not going to do much. But let's kind of go towards the foreign policy piece of this, obviously, because I'm a subscriber to your newsletter, Derek. It's really essential. It keeps me informed about all of what's happening in the world so people can go to American prestige and check it out. Sorry, foreign exchanges, but also listen to American prestige. Well, both. But both.

I both listen, but I always mix up which ones American prestige and which ones. You know, I do that. Like, we record interviews and I start the interview with like, welcome to foreign exchanges. And it's really American. Right. I do it. So I can only imagine. Yeah.

But like, especially in this incredibly, you know, turbulent time of wars across the globe. And when, frankly, the United States and Western press broadly, is so deeply biased towards the state of Israel and also very supportive of the United States continuing to support Ukraine, it's difficult to kind of get sometimes information that you feel is a little bit more accurate and looking at our involvement in these military conflicts, objectively.

The Gaza genocide is, of course, as we know, one of the worst crimes in the history of humanity, and it's currently ongoing and we're participating in it right now. I would love to get your guys' reaction to this report from CBS News that came out last night, and there's another Gaza humanitarian foundation whistleblower. Again, this is the mercenary group funded by the United States. that it has been participating in these aid massacres at sites in Gaza

and we had the Green Beret Aguilar come out and speak about the atrocities there his quote to MSNBC a few weeks ago still rings in my mind where he says when we finally open up the Gaza Strip we're going to see essentially atrocities like humanity has never seen and the world will have no excuse

because we now know this morning it came out that at least half a million Palestinians are currently in the process of starving to death we know that the death toll is wildly undercounted by probably hundreds of thousands

and this is a full-blown Holocaust this testimony from this anonymous whistleblower is disturbing so I want to give people a heads up on that front but we'll play around three minutes of this and would love your guys's reaction According to the UN hundreds of Palestinians have been shot and killed by Israel defense forces

and foreign military contractors at Ornir GHF aid sites. We spoke to a new eyewitness who concurs. He told us it's not only the idea of shooting, but also personnel hired through American subcontractors to secure GHF sites. I thought I was going there to help people. When this man was hired by an American logistics company, company. To drive aid trucks in Israel, he says he had no idea meant he'd be working with the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation inside Gaza. He asked us to conceal his identity, dub over his voice and change his name because he fears reprisals. We will call him Mike. He secretly recorded

several videos including this one. What you are hearing, he says, is the sound of gunfire from brightly lit GHF sites fired at Palestinians seeking aid. It took me two or three days to realize that they were actually shooting at people. They weren't shooting at combatants. So did you think these were warning shots? No, it's indiscriminate. And who was doing the shooting? The IDF and the American security personnel. They've got positions on each corner of the sites, and they would often shoot at exactly the same time as the Israeli soldiers. We do not see who is shooting on the videos Mike gave us, but he said there was not a single occasion he observed when there was no shooting, and he was at the sites on average five days a week for several weeks. CBS News has seen

his work schedule and metadata from his cell phone confirmed. the dates and times he was in Gaza. CBS News has been reporting on the almost daily shootings and deaths at or near GHF sites since GHF began operating at sites at the end of May. Palestinians would gather near the sites hours before they opened to be the first to grab food. I was breathing quite heavily because I'd never seen a crowd of people behave with such intensity and such desperation. What's the worst thing you experienced?

I was brought outside the perimeter and I was tasked with cleaning up the remains of animals and some humans. What had happened is that there had been so much shooting that human remains had been left there and the smell got quite bad. So the security contractors had complained and the IDF said it wasn't their business

so I was tasked with cleaning it but I wasn't warned what it was. And you were told to, to clean up everything there and do what? Just put it in the back of a truck, which took everything away. I struggle to talk about it. I even feel a bit clammy, and I can feel my chest beating harder. I just shut down, really.

Over 1,800 Palestine. That was really the bulk of his testimony there, and the fact that he was able to smuggle those videos out of Gaza is important. And, you know, we're also, we know that Israel is currently funding, basically, gangs that are stealing aid from Palestinians, where they then blame it on Hamas to create, you know, further manufacture more consent for the genocide, just your overall takeaway on that testimony and what the impact is, Derek, we can, I'll start with you. I mean, the GHF scheme, I have to say, I mean, I didn't, when it was announced, didn't realize it was going to just be openly firing on people and killing them. That surprised me. But it was always premised on the idea that you are committing or planning to commit crimes

against humanity are committing and are planning to commit. The whole idea behind this notion that you're going to change the distribution of AIDS so it stops coming to where people are and you force people to go to it is about displacement. It's about getting people moving so that when you say, okay, now, now that you're used to coming, you know, 25 kilometers or whatever it is to get to an aid site, now we'd like you all to go into this one confined area, which they've been setting up in Rafa, or what's left of Rafa, the so-called humanitarian camp. I don't even remember the, they're setting up a concentration camp. Yeah. For the population, once you get people moving a little bit, then it's easier to get them moving longer distance. and then you get them moving permanently and relocating, and then they're in a place where they can be controlled,

where their movements are prohibited. And, you know, coincidentally, Rafa's very short trip out of Gaza altogether. All they have to do is, you know, be sent across the border to Egypt, and then from there, who knows. So it was always about, I think, facilitating the mass ethnic cleansing of Gaza, per what Donald Trump talked about earlier this year with Benjamin Netanyahu. I think that opened the floodgates or opened the minds of Netanyahu and some of the people in his cabinet to the possibilities of what could be achieved here that maybe they were not ready to consider yet or that they wouldn't have considered prior to that. So it was always going to be an atrocity, but it's been shocking to see the extent to which they're not even waiting for that.

they're just kettling people and opening fire on them. They call this crowd control, but they don't give anybody the tools. You know, the IDF doesn't have actual riot or crowd control tools. The contractors certainly don't. So they wind up shooting at people. I mean, just, you know, openly shooting at people. And I don't, you know, you can still, I guess, try to justify that and they've done it. They've said, you know, they're really shooting at looters or people who are behaving in an unruly way or, you know,

approaching the IDF in a suspicious way. It's all, you know, it's all bullshit. It's just about inflicting more punishment on this population, which, you know, as you alluded to earlier, we now know that has been designated in Gaza City is in a, the most man-made famine, I think you can possibly imagine, just completely manufactured by the Israeli government. Right. I mean, even the word famine doesn't accurate. describe what is being done here in the same way a war doesn't describe what is accurately

describe what is being done here I feel like we have all of this very clinical language about the genocide that just because bombs and highly militarized vehicles and tanks and men with guns are involved where this is the equivalent of gas chambers is just being done you know, with bombs or with for starvation, that there's so much that of really deeply embedded propaganda that I think removes people from the reality of it. I mean, Eleanor, you've, of course, researched mythologies and the religious elements behind the stories we tell ourselves here.

But of course, this is just American imperialism by, but putting that kind of dress. dressing on it because it appeals to a certain Christian nationalist thrust within our society. Completely. I mean, I think you've really hit on something here, Emma, which is the terminologies that get used in order to sanitize this. So we get all of these new ways of talking about it consistently that are meant to keep us a little bit at arm's length from the horrors. And, you know, even if you're someone like myself who has long been incredibly critical of Israel's treatment, of the Palestinians and who has seen this for what it is from the get-go, which is an attempt

to ethnically cleanse Gaza, it's still horrifying when you hear new things from whistleblowers because it's getting that information that really kind of brings it home to people. And, you know, those of us who have been looking into this for years upon years know what's happening, but it's that those little bits of information that really make you understand viscerably what's happening. So we get these technicalities, right? You get these particular ways they'll say, oh, well, it's not technically a genocide because to be a genocide, it needs to be this, that, or the other thing, which is also incorrect. You know, every historian, we love to define our terms and this meets any definition of genocide going.

And what it comes down to is that Gossans are not seen by the great majority in the global north as legitimate people. And it's just the same as kind of crusading mentality. You can just go over there. You can clean anybody out that you want to because there's a rightful owner of that place. And it's the correct religion that you want to see. And from an American imperialist perspective, something that I think isn't talked about enough is that a lot of the people who are quite interested in ethnically cleansing Gaza are interested in propping up the Israeli state because they have Christian eschatological reasons for wanting there to be a Jewish state there. Can you explain those reasons? We've talked about it over. over and over again, but it's so dark that I think it could be, I could use your more, you know, historical perspective on it. It's so anti-Semitic, so just strip in. It's really bad. It's not good news. But the idea is that during the apocalypse at the end of the world, Antichrist is going to come back. And what Antichrist is going to do is he is going to set himself up in Jerusalem and he's going to rebuild the

temple there. And once he rebuilds the temple, he's going to have all of the Jewish people there worship him as the actual Christ. He will then attempt to ascend into heaven to prove that he is Christ after having a battle with Enoch and Elias who show up because they love the extended universe. And then he will be struck down by the spirit of Christ's mouth and die. And then one of two things is going to happen. Either you get a 10,000 year reign of peace on earth where the remaining Jewish people convert to Christianity, nice and anti-Semitic, or you go straight to the rest of the apocalypse, you know, the seas will boil, the mountains will crumble, the stars will fall from the sky. But this is supposed to be a good story because at the end of it, Christians

then get to go to heaven and you get on with the rest of eternity where the bad are eternally punished and Christians get their just desserts. And I don't think that people kind of realize that this is the end story of Christianity. Christianity is a, it's a linear religion. There's a beginning, there's a middle, there isn't an end, and the end is with the apocalypse. And this anti-Semitism is baked specifically into it. And it's really big, specifically in a lot of American circles. And this is what they're getting at when they prop up the state of Israel. And I think that, you know, Benjamin Netanah, who knows that, and he just doesn't particularly care because he gets what he wants out of it, so that's fine.

But there is a not small group of Christo-nationalists, and I would wager, for example, that our Secretary of Defense is one of them, who sees this as a good thing. Mike Huckabee, our ambassador to Israel, sees it as a good thing. Absolutely. Many Republican Christian members of Congress, like Christian Zionists in our government outnumber Jewish Zionists, and this is the ideology that you are describing.

Exactly. And you see this across, you know, the medieval period, this crops up all of the time. And it's just that it's shifted a bit in who believes it now and who wants to kind of go forward with it. Because I think the Catholics kind of tried it on, you know, with the crusades. So they're like, okay, never mind. The starting over, you know, but, you know, you see a lot more of it with evangelicals and people like that now. And I know that it's a bummer. And I know that it's complex because it's easy to kind of have these knee-jerk,

reactions to who is doing this and why. But you'll see time and time again that Christian Zionists are a lot more prevalent than is comfortable. And they're the ones who will immediately, if you say something like, oh, I'm not really sure about all the genocide happening in Palestine. They'll say, oh, what are you an anti-Semite? And the basis of the worldview is profoundly anti-Semitic. And it's absolutely maddening. But if you don't know about it, then it's very difficult to argue against it. But even if you do argue against it, it doesn't matter because they have this as a deeply held spiritual belief. And the hypocrisy doesn't matter with these people. None of this matters. They don't care. The violence is the point. And that is what is really difficult to get your

head around if you're a right-thinking person. Well, they see the violence as evidence of their ideology coming to fruition. Go ahead, Derek. Right. I think, I mean, to bring this back to a little bit where we started, questions of historical memory. One of the things that's interesting to me leaving aside the Christian Zionists in the end times is the notion that, you know, as, you know, as the phrase goes, one day everyone will always have been against this. And I think that's very true of God's. And we're already seeing it start to happen. But I do think about like, When are we going to, you know, at what point is everybody going to look back on this and say, well, you know, I oppose that even though they didn't do anything about it or they actively

cheered it on or, you know, whatever role they may have played. We are going to get to a point with that. And like I said, I think we're seeing people already start doing that. And it's, it's morbidly, it's aggravating, but it's also morbidly interesting to watch that happen in real time, to watch that narrative take hold of like, you know, oh, well, you know, we always knew this was bad, or, you know, definitely people are starving now, but they, you know, I don't think they were three months ago as though there's some way to separate what's happening now from, you know, what they were doing three months ago.

But it's all these processes of how people internalize their own participation or their own feelings about what's happening and create a comforting narrative for themselves, I think, is an interesting one, and we're seeing it happen. Yeah. And another element that's interesting to me, obviously in ways that they're deeply disturbing, is we got this news today that a federal judge has basically ordered the halting of further construction of the concentration camp in Florida, alligator alcatraz, as the Trump administration is calling it. And the judge sided with an indigenous rights group. suing on environmental grounds and giving it guidelines that effectively definitely prevents it from expanding, but also likely might make the facility shut down, which is good news. But so many of the tactics, they borrowed from Seacot and they brought it onto U.S. soil when you hear the deprivation, the lights on all the time, the squalid conditions.

The Goose Media, they take of it. the caging of folks in in literal cages down and and bragging about the conditions being so poor. And it's outright torture, basically. And it's a continuation of the rollback of civil liberties and protections to me from the Iraq war on. Like when we talk about how fascism is either imperialism turning inward or colonialism turning inward or colonialism turning inward, like we are now using those tactics that many of the critics of the Bush administrations were on terror that we're using on folks that they accused of terrorism denying them due process this is now being used against people on U.S. soil against for my money Americans

I don't care if you aren't like a full citizen yet these are tactics being used on Americans And that is a dynamic where I think, like, you know, we can talk about foreign policy, not as something as separate, but as another, as just state power that can be used and molded eventually with the right guy in power, for the right wing, at least, against people here domestically and eventually, of course, critics of the administration. Right. I mean, they've, they've embraced this. Sorry, they've embraced this not just in, in the camp. in Florida. I mean, they're, they're now trafficking people. I mean, you know, we can argue about what deportation is, but deportation to me is you send somebody back to their country of origin for, you know, whatever reason. They're trafficking people now. They've got deals in place with

El Salvador, with South Sudan, with Uganda, I think, most recently, to send people to countries that they're not from. They have nothing to do with. They have no, you know, no family, nothing there at all. They've probably never been there. And that's trafficking. That's not deportation. That's human trafficking. And to think, if you think that this is only going to be limited to, you know, the undesirables, whatever you define that as, they've already breached that wall. I mean, initially when, you know, they came in these kind of maximal penalties for, you know, undocumented migrants, that it was supposed to be, well, these are just people who have committed, like, heinous crimes. We're going to send them into, you know, we're send them

to the prison in El Salvador. We're going to send them here. We're going to send them there. And that's already been vile. I mean, they're sending anybody. It doesn't matter. I mean, there's no, there's no restriction on that. If you think that this is going to stop with, you know, undocumented migrants, it's not. They're going to go after naturalized citizenship. They're going to start to go after U.S. citizens at some point because there's already been in the negotiations over, for example, the Seacot prison in El Salvador, there was already talk of maybe we could send violent U.S. offenders, U.S. citizen offenders to this prison. Why, I don't know, because prison is the only thing that the United States does well anymore. But, like, you know, but that's the

rationale is we're just going to, you know, we're going to eventually get to the point where we can just decide, you know, and they, and, you know, they've done it to a certain extent with the Mohamed Khalil case and others. These people are just not, they're not on board with our project. Like, they're not, they're not with us. So let's get rid of them. Let's ship them off. And, and, yeah, it's a, it's a very steep, slippery slope to, to, you know, as you say, Emma, just, just some really awful places. Eleanor, the floor is yours, if you want to weigh in. Yeah, I mean, I think it is a really good point, though, to talk about how it was the horrors of the Bush administration that brought this upon us.

Because I think that's something that really gets lost in the wash. You know, what with the rehabilitation that we've seen of George W. Bush lately? That's just a sweet old guy that paints. And, you know, we were treated as though we were, you know, I left the states during the Bush period because, yes. girl is a historian and saw which way the wind was blowing and said, no, thank you. Of course, now I'm stuck in the UK. It's not better. It's not better. But, you know, it is, it's one of these things where it was just sort of obvious. I think if you are someone who spends all their time thinking about history where this was going. Because this is where it goes. And, you know,

it's not particularly different at all from what we saw happening in Europe and the ramp up to World War II. Even now, the capitulations that we're trying to see from varying governments, you know, the same sort of things that we're seeing, even like with the Democrats being like, oh, well, maybe if we just act a little bit, what if we were a little bit transphobic? What have we, what have we committed to also building a wall? What if we did all of these things? And then that's going to prevent this slide into fascism as opposed to just saying, oh, yeah, no, the fascists are actually kind of onto something. And I mean, we're seeing it here in the UK. Our government is doing exactly the same thing, but faster. And so we are really living in the outcome of treating individuals

like George Bush, as though this is acceptable, that any of this was ever fine, because all that does is normalize the poor treatment of people. And so, yeah, like surprise, the violence has come down to the imperial core, which is what happens. And it's exhausting to be a historian, because you just see it happen over and over again. And no one ever wants to talk about it. It's like, yeah, but this time it's going to be different because we have computers. So no one's going to fall for it. I think that's an important point because it's not just the abuses that began under the Bush administration.

It's the failure to prosecute any of them in the period that followed when we were under an administration that knew better. I know they knew better. But they decided that it would be too politically costly to do anything about it. And that's how you get to the point where George W. Bush is handing out candy at a funeral, like a nice old man. And everybody says, oh, aren't these guys nice? And, you know, they're all recycled back into power. And there's no, there's no consequence. There's no accountability. It's a conscious choice not to do that. And same thing with the, with the Biden administration. You know, the notion that Donald Trump was, you know, after everything that happened in that first term, was able to run for. president again is is is you know a failure it's a failure to to be uh to take some kind of action to to punish wrongdoing and to say well once you're at that level uh we really don't want to

want to have anything to do with that we're just going to kind of say okay that's over let's move on and of course we don't move on because it always comes back unless you prevent it from coming back right turning the page as we did it had major consequences Lastly, here, we have some IAMs from Set the Lit Ph.D., who is describing himself as a history nerd and wanted to make sure I got this in before we let you go. Seth says, I wonder about these whistleblowers in the context of the myth of the disillusioned crusader. If such a trope was a historical reality or a later fabrication, also interesting in the context of medieval obsession with the Levant, the West has always had this weird fixation on this region. Eleanor, if you don't mind responding to that. Oh, God, no, I'll respond to that all day long.

I mean, I think that in the medieval context, the Disillusion Crusader is usually one who it didn't get what he wanted out of it. And we tend to see the Disillusion Crusader come up more in the later Crusades, not the first one. But, you know, the second one, which was a disaster. I mean, they were, take a pick. It's all a disaster. They were all.

The first one really worked. And even then, half of everyone, just died in a ditch with having dysentery. So, you know, like, it's, so it's kind of a way that we relate to Crusaders. So when they're kind of complaining that what they expected was going to happen didn't happen, we kind of, in a postmodern way, layer on our own understanding of this as saying, oh, yeah, and then they like kind of got, got wise to the humanist project, and they knew better after that. And I think that that's a really human urge to kind of see our own society in the past, but fundamentally, yeah, medieval people don't share

these kind of same ideals. And a lot of the time, they're just kind of complaining that their project didn't work, although a lot of these white boys do go home and they kind of actually like Muslim people now. That is something that we see. They take home a lot of food. They think that that's awesome. It's a bit of a myth that there weren't already spices and stuff in Europe, but it like gets worked up way more. Get like a lot of white boys who are the equivalent of webes for the Middle East. And women as well.

Like so you do see that. So there is a cross-cultural thing. And depending on what crusader talking about, sometimes they really like it. I mean, everybody loves Saladin for whatever reason. So, you know, you could be a disillusion crusader, but it's usually more about, oh, I'm sad that the mission failed. And a little less like, oh, wait a minute,

it turns out that, you know, all of these Norman guys just wanted their own castle. You get less of that on record anyway Because anyone who would think like that Isn't going to be given the power or ability To write that story down and then keep it Because it just goes against the official narrative Of what people want to say

Well, well said, appreciate it so much Everybody check out your guys' new podcast I don't have a name written down, I'm so sorry Welcome to the Crusades You can find it at Welcome to the Crusades.com All one word, welcome to the crusades.com So that's recent I find that. And, you know, our both of our shows, if you go to either of our shows, websites, you can find links to it there, too.

We'll put a link down below in the description. Really, I know what I'll be doing this weekend. Thanks so much, you guys. Really appreciate it. Thanks, Emma. All right. With that, folks, we'll wrap up the free part of this program. Head into the fun part of the program.

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