The Majority Report with Sam Seder - 3568 - How to Block ICE w/ Eric Blanc, Rep. Ro Khanna

Episode Date: January 28, 2026

It's Hump Day on the Majority Report On today's program: Donald Trump continues his assault on Rep. Ilhan Omar, posting almost daily about her on Truth Social and going on a racist tirade aimed at her and the entire Somali community at a rally in Iowa. Just a few hours after Trump's speech, a man attacks Ilhan Omar at a town hall, spraying her with an unidentified liquid. Publisher of the Labor Politics Newsletter, Eric Blanc joins Sam to discuss how everyday people are uniting to resist ICE's fascist invasion of Minnesota. Rep. Ro Khanna (D-CA) joins Sam to discuss what Congress is doing to stop ICE, his thoughts on the proposed wealth tax in California and more. In the Fun Half: The Prime Minister of Slovakia, a self-proclaimed Trump fan, expressed concern about Trump's cognitive decline after speaking with him in Davos, Switzerland. Trump said that learning the parents of Renee Good — the woman killed by an ICE agent — were "big Trump fans" made him feel even worse about her death. San Antonio Spurs star Victor Wembanyama speaks out against the recent ICE murders but admits he is holding back given he is a foreign worker and is afraid of retribution. Conrad Blackburn announces his DSA endorsed campaign for New York state assembly district 70 in Harlem. all that and more To connect and organize with your local ICE rapid response team visit ICERRT.com The Congress switchboard number is [phone]. You can use this number to connect with either the U.S. Senate or the House of Representatives. Follow us on TikTok here: https://www.tiktok.com/@majorityreportfm Check us out on Twitch here: https://www.twitch.tv/themajorityreport Find our Rumble stream here: https://rumble.com/user/majorityreport Check out our alt YouTube channel here: https://www.youtube.com/majorityreportlive Gift a Majority Report subscription here: https://fans.fm/majority/gift Subscribe to the AMQuickie newsletter here: https://am-quickie.ghost.io/ Join the Majority Report Discord! https://majoritydiscord.com/ Get all your MR merch at our store: https://shop.majorityreportradio.com/ Get the free Majority Report App!: https://majority.fm/app Go to https://JustCoffee.coop and use coupon code majority to get 10% off your purchase Check out today's sponsors: NUTRAFOL: Get $10 off your first month's subscription + free shipping at Nutrafol.com when you use promo code TMR10 COZY EARTH: Go to cozyearth.com/MAJORITYREPORTBOGO for an exclusive deal only available Jan 25th - Feb 8th! SUNSET LAKE: Use coupon code "Left Is Best" (all one word) for 20% off of your entire order at SunsetLakeCBD.com  Follow the Majority Report crew on Twitter: @SamSeder @EmmaVigeland @MattLech On Instagram: @MrBryanVokey Check out Matt's show, Left Reckoning, on YouTube, and subscribe on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/leftreckoning Check out Matt Binder's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/mattbinder Subscribe to Brandon's show The Discourse on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/ExpandTheDiscourse Check out Ava Raiza's music here! https://avaraiza.bandcamp.com

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We are broadcasting live steps from the industrially our averaged Gowanus Canal, the heartland of America, downtown Brooklyn, USA. On the program today, Eric Blanc, assistant professor of labor studies at Rutgers University, publisher of labor politics newsletter. Men, Representative Roe Kana, U.S. representative for California 17th Congressional district. We'll be talking about blocking ice with both of them. Also on the program today, man attacks Ilhan Omar at a town hall event in Minnesota, circular firing squad. The Trump administration is known looking like the fall girl as ice continues its assault on Americans.

Meanwhile, Trump threatens Iran. Marco Rubio threatens Venezuela. Venezuela. DHS report two agents fired killing Preddy. Meanwhile, Prattie had a rib broken by agents a week before they shot him. It was apparently in the DHS database. South Carolina measles outbreak, the largest in decades in this country. We are three days from a government shutdown. Republicans are unable to find a solution. Judge revised the wind farm. that Trump had halted off the coast of Massachusetts. Consumer confidence at a 12-year low as the Fed is set to maintain rates today. U.S. government has lost more than 10,000 STEM PhDs in just the past 11 months.

After a visit with Trump, his ally, the Slovakian PM, was shocked at Trump's mental state. And after donations, Trump erases the rule requiring more nursing home staff, which was estimated at saving 13,000 lives annually. All this and more on today's majority report. Welcome, ladies and gentlemen. Thanks so much for joining us. Emma Viglin out today. We've got a lot to get to. let's do a just a review of what happened yesterday.

Ilan Amar was attacked. I understand that people will, you know, have taken to sort of simply blocking out what Donald Trump is saying on any type of regular basis as a way of maintaining their sanity. And I think that is actually not necessarily a bad strategy. what is in many respects more relevant than what he says is what his administration does. Who knows if this guy, and we'll talk about this story about the Slovakian prime minister, who apparently is like a Trump fan, met with him when Trump was over there with the EU meetings and came away just sort of terrified at his mental state. but what's far more relevant is what those around him are empowered to do and do, do, as it were.

But his words do mean stuff. I mean, obviously he lies all the time. He says, we're going to do a 10% tariff. We're going to do a 50% tariff. We're going to whatever it is. But his words do have meanings to the extent that there are, Trump followers who hear them and then act upon them. This is what Don Trump said just yesterday afternoon in Iowa.

That's right. Nobody is able to come into a country except for those that come in legally. We want to have people come in legally. We need people to come in legally. But they have to show that they can love our country, not hate our country. They have to show that they're not going to blow up our shopping centers, blow up our farms, kill people. They're coming in legally, but they

cannot come in unless they come in legally into our country, and we're letting some great people come. What? What farms, shopping malls have we heard about being blown up by immigrants? I know J.D. Vance and Scott Besson

have done some damage to American farms. I don't know about... Well, he's a farmer. Besson is a farmer, so he would... Farmer on farmer. But I mean, honestly, like, what... Immigrants are 26% less likely to commit a crime, I think it is, than U.S. citizen or natural-born U.S. citizens. I mean, he's living in a world, and I would suggest that the vast majority of people in that stadium or stadium. I mean, I don't know how many people were there.

Probably not as much as he used to draw. I'm sure they all believe these same things. And they also, like, the way they nod along, we're like, we want legal immigration. No, you don't. I mean, this is the number of people that have been arrested who are legally in the process is off the charts. Go ahead. In legally, but they cannot come in unless they come in legally into our country, and we're letting some great people come in.

They have to show that they can love our country. They have to be proud. Not like Ilhan, Omar. Did you see what? Did you see that wise guy? You know, she's always talking about the Constitution, you know, provides me with the following. You know, the Constitution.

She comes from a country that's a disaster. So probably it's considered, I think, the world. It's not even a country, okay? It barely has a government. I don't think it does. They go to one thing, pirates. But they don't do that anymore. You know why?

Because they get the same treatment from us as the drug dealers get boom boom boom pause for one second while we're there again I'll remind you yesterday there were to there were lawsuits

levied by Trinidadians Trinidadians whose husbands were murdered by the United States on a fishing boat and now it's possible these drug cartels are just taking a

flyer and we're going to try and sue the United States and see if we can win in civil court for a wrongful death for our drug running friends. Or it's much more likely that we as a country just have randomly murdered fishermen in boats as he talks about pirates. We call them terrorists because they're from a different country. here is a how many of these do we have this series like what is this just one or yeah this is just one example of what he's doing like every day okay every day uh Donald Trump is on truth social I don't really follow him too too much but on there but it's things like this there's 19 billion

dollars in Minnesota Somali fraud fake congressman Ilhan Omar a constant complainer who hates the USA knows everything there is to know she should be in jail or even worse punish sent back. Now, of course, she has nothing to do with any of the fraud that, frankly, the state of Minnesota and the DOJ under Biden was already investigating. The only thing that she has to do with it is that some of the people engaged in the fraud, not the masterminds of the entire fraudulent scheme, were Somali. and she's Somali. So in the same way, all of those people who committed fraud or other crimes that Donald Trump has

pardoned are white, theoretically, we would all be implicated because we're white. But where does that all lead? We heard the reports yesterday. Maxwell Frost was punched at the Sundance Film Festival told he'd be deported told he would be deported

so they you know this was a targeted attack on him here's Ilhan Omar to town hall in Minneapolis as she's addressing

the ice invasion that's taking place there. And DHS Secretary Kristy Nome must resign or face impeachment. I don't know. I need a napkin to know nothing. No, we will continue. No, no, no. We will continue. These fucking assholes are not going to get away with it. You need to go get in check. No, we don't know what. What? She does smell so bad she needs to go get checked. I don't know what that was. That's what they want.

Please don't let them. Please. It's not about him, Ilhan. It's not about your safety. No, he sprays something on you. You need to go get shared too. Yeah, and it smells terrible. We're going to keep talking.

Just give me 10 minutes. Just give me 10 minutes. I beg you. Let's don't let me have a show. Let's don't have a show. Please don't let them have the show. Please don't let them have the show. Here is the reality that people like this ugly man don't understand.

We are Minnesota strong and we will stay resilient in the face of whatever they might throw in us. Everybody settled down. I'm going to finish my remarks. It is important for me to continue to lead my Democratic colleagues in the demanding her resignation. That's pretty impressive stuff on her part. I don't know that there's many members of Congress, frankly, who would get sprayed and who knows what they sprayed it with her.

I mean, I would have been out. Certainly in that moment, you know, nobody knew. She cocks back for a punch. She also looked like she was going to smell like clock them. Trump. Trump responded last night to ABC News about this, and the quote is, I don't know about her. I think she's a fraud. She probably had herself sprayed, knowing her.

I am still old enough to remember when the comms director, Donald Trump's in its first term. What was her name? She had the eye shadow and was Arkansas governor, Huckabee. be um was a yelled at at a restaurant and the new york times um like i think wrote uh maybe 35 uh exposés on it and it was a this administration when stephen miller was yelled at last year at a sushi restaurant i mean there was a million articles the um it is stunning and i would barely heard about the maxwell Frost thing. I mean, it was like, you know, page 19, half a line, you know, almost like a gossip spotted at the Park City. I mean, this is the reality that we're living in at the moment. And we're going to need leaders like Ilhan Omar who are really unafraid or afraid.

or afraid but work through it. Unflinching. Yeah, I think that's more relevant. I don't know that there's anybody, you know, and we're going to talk to Eric Blanc in just a moment about what's been going on where people have like, you know, put their bodies and their wits in trying to gum up the gears for ice there. And I can't imagine any of these people. whether was Renee Good or Alex Prattie or any of them or the people who were recording at that time aren't afraid.

It's just a matter of, you know, working through that fear. And letting the anger beat it out because Renee Good didn't look that scared before she was murdered. Ilhan Omar reacted with anger. And we saw this, I know if this is on the sound sheet, but an ice guy saying, if you raise your voice, we'll erase your voice. We'll have place in the fun half. The fun half. What guys like that don't understand is they are not scaring people.

They are making all of us angry. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's true. I mean, there's no, there's not a lot of, like, thought going into this on the side of vice. It's really just, how can we round up the biggest A-holes we can who want cash and utilize their prejudice and bigotry, racism, and just point it in the right direction.

And so, you know, people remark on sort of like the completing competence and keystone cop quality of these fascists. I mean, that's sort of what fascists do. And particularly, you know, I do think we were sort of blessed to some extent with dumber than normal fascists. That may just be a function of like, you know, the applicant pool in this country on some level. But it's also, it is also the case that that that's what we're dealing with. But it's easier.

I've always said it's easier to demo than it is to build. and so when you're going around and being a dick you know you don't need a lot of brains to do the type of damage that they're doing we're going to be talking to Eric Blanc he is the assistant professor of labor studies at Rutgers University

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Yeah, labor politics.com. Okay. It's a substack. Laborpolitics.com. I read you consistently, Eric, and there were two pieces that you had over the past month that sort of go together. And you just interviewed, I guess it's just like a day or two ago, Arou Shine Ajay, Sunrise Movement's executive director, who also happened to be a lifelong Minneapolis resident. And prior to that, you had written a piece on, you know, what people can do to essentially, you know, put their bodies in the gear. of ice to fight back.

Let's go through this because Minneapolis seems to be sort of like where all of the best practices of other places have come together and people have been, you know, successful. Also, there's been just, you know, horrors there to killings. But let's just, I guess, start in with what's your sense of like the, the type of tactics that we're starting to see now from just ordinary people, people who weren't necessarily activists. I mean, some were, but others not, just defending their communities. The most basic tactics have been sort of widespread across the country in Minneapolis has done

those at scale to an extent that nobody else has. So we're talking particularly about recording ICE agents, people going around with their phones. and then another really important, relatively new, but also widespread tactic, has been to deliver food to immigrants who have no sort of safe way of getting out of the house, frankly. And so these are two basic tactics that have been used in a very widespread way. Also whistles. This is a really important way to flag to community members that ICE is around. So if you see an ICE agent, you whistle. So everyone in Minneapolis is walking around, essentially with whistles. And on these signal chats, and people then, if they hear ICE is coming, then they go sort of swarm around to support their neighbors and to also just sort of raise as much ruckus as possible and much recording as possible to at least make people who are undocumented feel that people have their back and also to put, you know, a little bit more eyeballs on what ICE is doing.

And as we've seen, the recordings have, you know, had a major national impact. The signal chats seem to be sort of like a decentralized, version of those ICE alert apps that came out and then ICE got Apple to take them down and Google to take them down. But these seem to be sort of like more community-based. How are people getting into these signal chats? Yeah, I mean, it's really amazing. One of the things that I was struck by and talking with at Rue is just the depth of organization they have. It's basically neighborhood by neighborhood and you're in a signal chat with your neighbors and you opt in and you know there's there's various different coalitions in Minneapolis that made it easy for people to opt in and essentially

just get added to this chat and you get trained on what to do right like how to stay safe as safe as possible obviously you never know what ICE is going to do and then there's coordination of these coalition organizations that are helping coordinate these chats on a citywide level, but really it is very decentralized because you're talking about tens of thousands of people active every day in just watching out for their undocumented neighbors. So yeah, it is really sort of like a very bottom-up dynamic and it's pretty inspiring. It's, you know, it's scary and terrifying what ICE is doing, and I think that's sort of obvious. But the flip side of it is this beauty that is described by Aroot, anyone else you talk to Minneapolis. They've never

experienced this level of just sort of like human solidarity and courage and community. And on these words that get used and misused a lot, and they almost become cheap. But then when you really feel it on the day to day, you actually, your life has changed. People have described it to me. It's just actually never felt this way before in my whole life. And that's powerful. That's fascinating. And in terms of like infiltration on these, there's really not much for the ICE people to sort of learn from this other than who may or may not be the users,

but they're more often than not, ICE is already developing a database of everybody who's coming out and recording them anyways. Yeah, look, it's legal. These are all legal tactics. And so it was funny after, nothing of this is really funny. But after the murders, you know, there's some Fox News spin trying to say it was all leftist plot. And they said, we've got the data from the signal chat.

We got into the signal chat. And it's just, of course, it's just totally innocuous. People saying, yeah, there's ICE agents here. You know, it's like, no, nothing. Nothing that's not just totally above board. And as people are walking around, you know, most of the time actually, you know, identifiably because there's just nothing illegal about recording an ICE agent. There's nothing illegal about delivering food to your neighbors.

And so there is not, I don't think, any sort of secret plot. I mean, that's the nicest way to say. There is a secret plot. And it is actually sort of funny that Fox News and Trump and all that tried to lean in that for a while. Because the most amazing thing when you talk to people on the ground is the exact opposite. opposite. That it's not only is it not a secret plot, but it's not even really mostly activists. Like just, you know, it's people who have just gotten involved in the last few weeks because they're just so outrage. It's really that is what has driven the dynamics. People who are never involved in

politics, never part of any organization, just so outraged by what's happening and they stepped up. So in other words, sleeper cells. Right, exactly. Aru said at one point that they've hit a density in Minneapolis where over 4% of every single neighborhood is in a signal chat. That's amazing. I think for some people's ears, 4% sounds like a small amount, but 4 or 5%

to have 4 or 5% of any population, this actively involved, is sort of nuts, right? I mean, from an organizing standpoint. Yeah, because these aren't just people who are saying, oh, I don't like ice. That at this point seems

at least based on a petition. Right. We saw the votes. What was it yesterday? 95% for the Democrats. So it's not about your stance on ISIS, whether you're willing to take an action that at this point, even though it's legal, it's potentially risky, right? And people have been killed for to have that percentage of people out there doing this, not just sort of happenstance, but in a regular basis that they want to be on a chat,

is, yeah, unparalleled. This is, you know, I don't know of any social movement that has had that level of depth in certainly recent memory. I don't even know throughout history. Let's, and when you say the elections, you're talking about there was two special elections in Minnesota yesterday, which brought the state house back to a tie because the Democrats won both of them like just like walking away. I mean. Yeah, it's not even close. It's just a complete route.

All right. Let's talk about some of the other things that are happening here around the hotels. I mean, there's a whole aspect of like now, like where activists on one hand are recording. They are creating presence. They're they're alerting their neighbors who may be immigrants. They are standing witness. They're sounding the the claxon, as it were, with the whistles. But they're also now starting to upset the sort of logistics of.

of an ice invasion, as it were. Walk us through some of those things. Yeah, so I asked Arou about this, and the way she explained it is twofold. One is, how do you go on the offense against ice? So these are mostly what's been done, what we were talking about before, mostly defensive tactics,

sort of to spread awareness, create some solidarity, record. But there is still the question, well, how do you actually stop ICE from doing what it's doing? It's so unpopular. It's like a paramilitary force. And one of the lessons that we've learned as a movement in really international democracy movements in the left, social movements, is that authoritarian regimes, even the most dictatorial, don't actually survive just via repression. Even the most dictatorial regimes have all sorts of pillars of support in society, which is to say that they need to at least the resignation or the tacit consent of companies, of the media, of local government, to go along with the regime.

and particularly companies are a really important part of that whole setup because corporations are the most important institution, maybe even more than the government in our country. And so the question becomes, how do you stop ICE? And it turns out when you look at what ICE is today, not surprisingly, it actually depends very heavily on the private sector, even more than you might expect. In part, this has to do with how rapidly they've scaled up. So they have less sort of infrastructure than you might expect for other agencies in the government. So, for instance, they have to rely on hotels to sleep at. They have to, and Hilton in particular, and we can talk more about Hilton. They also have to rent cars.

They're renting cars from enterprise. There's all of these million and one ways in which private companies are either explicitly or de facto collaborating with ICE. Who sends in the food to ICE at their staging grounds? You know, they need all of these things that actually their internal structural. can't provide. And so the strategic analysis, which is really smart, is that if you can get ordinary people who have real leverage over these companies to stop going along with what ICE is doing, then ICE's basic ability to function stops. If they can't get food, if they can't drive cars,

if they can't stay at hotels, because the workers and community members are making that impossible, then you are directly impeding ICE's ability to function. Right. There's only, you know, there's only 24 hours in the day. And if they've got to travel two and a half hours to get to the locations where they want to try and scoop people up because they can't get a hotel within an hour and a half of where the community knows that they be staying. Those are two hours where they're not going after people. So what are like sort of the secondary level? You mentioned Hilton. I also read in the piece that, you know, people are going on on Trip Advisor and giving bad reviews when this happens. I mean, creating all sorts of corporate pressure in that way.

Yeah. So on Hilton, for instance, the major. The major tactic that they've done is what they called wide awakes, which is essentially in the middle of the night, two or three in the morning, having a big group, oftentimes hundreds, sometimes a little bit smaller, sometimes very small, go make a huge ruckus in front of the hotels that the ICE agents are staying at. You know, so there's fun pictures if you look online of people with drum sets, electric guitars, you know, handmade drums like, you know, pots and pans. And if you wake them up, what you do, then it actually just directly impedes both their

functioning the next day, but even more so it creates a lot of pressure on the hotels to not want to house eyes because, A, it's waking up the rest of their customers and the other customers don't want it. And then also the realities, then they're getting seen as collaborating with this essentially occupying force that nobody likes. And so it's really costing them a serious amount of money. And that's why people might have heard, maybe even reported on this a few weeks ago, one of the local Hilton's in Minneapolis refused service. Yeah, refused service to ICE. And that was directly because of these protests.

They've done dozens and dozens of these protests. It wasn't just like a spontaneous thing or the manager feeling nice. It's because there's this movement that's really grown. They do this multiple times a week to force Hilton and other companies to stop housing ice. So that's one part of it. There's another flip side, which is, yeah, a review bombing. So, you know, going on bookings.com, whatever the online platform is. and saying, you know, I give you a zero stars because you are housing fascists, you know, whatever the thing is.

And that actually makes a difference for these mom and pop. Well, mom and pop is too strong. A lot of these hotels are franchised, right? And so you're putting pressure on the franchise owners who really do depend on these reviews. And if you're driving down the reviews, you know, you're not going to stop authoritarianism just by posting reviews online. But it doesn't hurt. And it's an easy thing to do. And so that and these sit-ins now that we see in New York City, people might have signed online just last night in New York City, the movement is already spreading around Hilton. Sunrise movement is really taking the lead. There was over 65 arrests, over 100 people participated in essentially a sit-in in a lobby in the Hilton in New York City to say, Hilton, why are you housing ice? You need to stop housing ice. So I think, yeah,

I think it's really exciting. I think people understand now better than they did even a few weeks ago, the centrality of the corporate world in propping up this thuggery. And we certainly also seen multiple situations where people are going into Target, for instance, buying a bag of salt and then returning it and trying to slow down the operations in there because Target is allowing ice to stage in their parking lots in one of these bigger, you know, strip mall type of things. So last word, like, you know, overall, where people who are anticipating ice coming to their cities or like where should they start to look for these type of tactics and where's the best place for them to start if they want to start to like organize now, at least in some way, so that they are ready. You know, we're starting to see like sporadic things. We still, but the main force still seems to be in Minneapolis. but I imagine there's going to be, we're going to have multiple cities at times where this is happening and they're going to, you know, ultimately move at one point to another city. Where can people

get this type of information? Obviously, labor politics, you can go and read this interview, which I encourage everybody to do, but where else? Yeah, the person I would say is that it's actually important that people start organizing immediately on a national level and not just wait for there to be an ice surge in your town, because these companies are still profiting off of ice and you can still put pressure on them. If you have a Hilton nearby, it doesn't matter whether that Hilton at this exact moment is housing ice. You can still go to do a protest there and say Hilton, stop housing ice. You can still go to Enterprise. You can still go to Home Depot and you can organize if you're in a DSA chapter, if you're an indivisible,

or if you just frankly fed up and you want to get some of your neighbors go out there. You can do the tactics that we just described in this interview. I would say a really good way to get involved is get involved in the sunrise movement that has taken the lead on the Hilton campaign. So you can just sort of look up sunrise movement online and get plugged in there. They're looking to spread this nationally, not just in the places like Minneapolis, but everywhere. And then we have a whole list of different companies that I haven't even mentioned yet, Microsoft, UPS, flock systems. And yeah, if you go to the article we wrote on labor politics.com, we have a list of these different companies that are implicated in this authoritarian anti-immigrant. assault on Americans and everybody in this country.

So, yeah, I hope folks get involved. I think this is the cutting edge issue for how we stop ice. Okay, great. Well, Eric Blanc, thanks so much. Assistant Professor Labor Studies, Rutgers University. We'll put a link to your labor politics newsletter. Really can't encourage people to read it enough and appreciate your time coming on today.

Yeah, thanks for having me on. All right, folks, we're going to take quick break. When we come back, we're going to be talking to Representative Roecona, U.S. Representative for California's 17th Congressional District. We are back. Sam Cedar on the Majority Report. Emma Viglin out today. I want to welcome to the program, Representative Rokana, U.S. Representative for California's 17th Congressional District. Congressman, thank you so much for joining us today. I really appreciate it. Thank you for having me back. Looking forward to the conversation.

So I know you were just out in Minnesota. I saw some footage of you out there. there. Before we get to like, you know, what you're doing in Congress and what's happening in terms of that, there was a report that's come out now, apparently from the DHS, but CNS reported that ICE had already had a confrontation with Alex Preddy, where apparently they broke his rib. He was already in their database. I was wondering if you have any more information of what your perspective is as to the possibility that they were aware of who he was when they went after him on the day that they ultimately, apparently two officers fired on him and killed him. Well, what I know is what we all saw, that it was a total excessive use of force that they shot that they shot him. and killed him when he was not threatening them. And in my view, those ICE agents need to be prosecuted and they need to be arrested. I mean, it is shocking that the Justice Department isn't investigating.

In fact, I know someone who worked at the Justice Department as a career lawyer who's told me six people have left as career lawyers from the Justice Department because they have not been investigating Renee Goet or Alex Preddy. Now, in a trial, this will come out whether there was any sense that he was targeted because those agents knew who he was or knew of the prior conflicts that he had. But certainly it is on its facts a horrific killing. Do you anticipate a trial? I mean, it's unclear to me what, to the extent that Renee Good's killing is being investigated, or pretties for that matter?

Well, Sam, as you know, there's a five-year statute of limitations on a lot of these crimes. And my view is that the next Democratic administration should make it very clear that every single person who broke the law in this administration will be held accountable. There will be prosecution, not just for ICE officers, but for people who committed crimes in terms of the illegal strikes in Venezuela, for people. who dismantled agencies in illegal ways for people who have violated the Constitution. There is not just going to be, okay, let's just have kumbaya and move on. You cannot have reconciliation until you have proof.

And I don't think I'm saying something that out of where many people in this country are, people are going to want accountability, and we need to make that clear now to deter more lawless action. Let's talk about that in terms of what's happening now in Congress. The House passed a, I guess, a minibus funding bill last week. I've lost track of time. Seven Democrats joined the Republicans in passing that in the House, made the difference in the passage of that bill. but now

ultimately and finally the Senate has Senate Democrats have basically said we're not going to pass this minibus give us a sense of a what your understanding of is you know it appears we're going to have at least a partial government shutdown come

I guess Friday night but where that stands and what do you think should be the demands of the Democrats providing votes for any type of funding? Well, first of all, how can you fund a government that's killing its own citizen? So I guess this is at least the line for the entire Democratic Party, and I do think it's going to hold. Even people like Tom Swazi have said that they regret their vote in terms of the few who voted for that ICE funding. This is the bare minimum that we shouldn't be funding the homeland

security now. What are some of the demands? We should get rid of qualified immunity for these ICE officers. That's the first thing we should be pushing for. By the way, J.D. Vance is totally wrong about absolute immunity. I mean, he's arguing that they can't be criminally prosecuted. That's not the law. And it would be a very scary thing if the law in this country was that the state using violence and force could kill anyone and face no consequences. I mean, he's basically arguing that, and that's not the current wall. But what I'm saying is we should get rid of qualified immunity, meaning you should be allowing Preti's family,

Renee Good's family, to sue the ICE agents who killed their son or in Renee Good's case who killed Renee Good. That is first. We should have a standard of force that is codified so that agents can't be using excessive force. Obviously, agents shouldn't be in masks. They should have body cameras. But ultimately, Sam, what I believe,

is that there needs to be a repeal of the $75 billion that has already been appropriated to ICE. Let's be clear, they have triple the budget for the next four years. We need to fight every Democrat should go on record voting to take that money back away. And we need to tear down this agency. I mean, this agency cannot continue. There needs to be immigration enforcement with oversight and human rights. From 1940 to George W. Bush, we had immigration enforcement. enforcement without an agency with DHS.

And Democrats need to clearly be for that. Well, in terms of that, which I imagine on some level is a longer-term goal, it's obviously tougher to get, you know, to pull that agency apart in the context of Republicans controlling the amount of government they do at this point. But where would you do? Would you, you know, essentially go back to the pre-2000, I guess, to world prior to DHS, where, you know, we would have a INS is with the Department of Justice, and a lot of these sort of different functions that were brought together into one, essentially go back to the agencies where they started. I do think it needs to be under justice. Obviously, Pam Bondi's justice, you're probably not going to get much difference because there's been a contingent.

of the law. But you're asking me, you know, in an architecture, I think we move it back to justice, but there need to be more controls on human rights. Look, the INS was not perfect, as you know, because you're a student of history. During the Great Depression, the INS was there deporting Mexican Americans and Mexican nationals because they thought Mexicans were a threat to American jobs. So it's not like the INS was a perfect agency. But having Justice Department oversight and human rights or oversight with safeguards is the best way to do it. The reason it went to the Department of Homeland Security is after 9-11. There were legitimate concerns that agencies across the federal government were not sharing intelligence. And I don't want to minimize those concerns. I mean, they were

legitimate concerns that in part led to 9-11. So we need to have it back under justice with stronger human rights protections, but still have ways that you can facilitate the intelligence sharing that is required to keep the country safe. Has there been talked to of like a larger policy structure for just the immigration in general? I mean, you know, I know that there was an immigration bill that was presented, I mean, ultimately as sort of a leverage point from my perspective in the final year, I guess, it was in 2023 of the Biden administration. But it feels like the Democrats do not have a policy or like a broadly a disposition towards immigration that is articulated, you know, in any type of explicit way.

I don't know how else to say that. Like, I don't think that anybody, I get asked 10 people on the street, where are Democrats on immigration? And I don't think that they, anybody could give me an answer. Well, how about we start with immigrants are good? Immigrants help America. Obviously, I'm biased on the son of immigrants. My parents came here in the 1960s. My dad is a chemical engineer.

My mom is a substitute teacher for special needs. I was born in Philadelphia. they got a green card eventually citizenship and they were so proud that they could vote and my dad became part of a local Democratic Party in Bucks County. But I'll tell you something, having grown up the son of immigrants, the main thing they want to be able to do is just have legal status in this country, most immigrants. So at the very least, I mean, I'm for a path to citizenship, but at the very least, Democrats, we were back in power, need to deliver something to make sure that people

who are working or paying taxes have some status. I mean, we've not solved this problem for 30 years. And, you know, my hope was when that whole thing happened in Springfield in Ohio, they're eating dogs and cats. Instead of just showing up at the border, I wish Democrats had shown up to Springfield, Ohio, like I went to Minneapolis and said, you know, let's talk about these Haitian immigrants. They're working hard. They are building businesses.

They're contributing to the community. Here's who they are. My parents told me when I was born in America, I won the lottery. that I better not mess it up. Go work hard, go make good grades like every Indian American parent, go learn about the country's history. They're the most patriotic people. And we have demonized immigrants in this country where, you know,

I had a debate with Sean Hannity. All they show is the criminals, the rapists, the pedophiles. How about showing the actual experience of most immigrants or the most patriotic folks who are creating jobs for helping this community and how about having a Democratic Party that isn't afraid of immigrants? Every swing state senator voted for Lake and Riley. You know, we gave them carte blanche in part to do what they're doing. You know, what do you make of that?

I mean, from a, from a, like there has been, at least in my experience, you know, doing this profession now for 20 some odd years. Democrats learned, it seems to me, in the 90s that if there is any type of contention, the best way to deal with it is a small tactical retreat. I mean, the idea that Tom Swazi, it takes him, he makes a vote, a very material vote, right? I mean, this is not, this is something that ostensibly you're thinking about. And within 24 hours or 48 hours realizes it's a mistake. I just don't know how that happens. Like, I mean, I understand people make mistakes.

but what like what is the what is the where is the leadership and the understanding that like you can't project out that this is that ice is going to be a problem over the course in the next 10 months it seems bizarre to me well look I was on bill Marchgo about a month after the election uh with uh Stephen A who was a skilled at debate and I said I voted against lake and rally there needs to be due process and I basically lost the debate I mean the entire crowd was, you know, we need to make sure these criminals are removed fast and, you know, kind of doesn't know what he's talking about. I mean, people can look at the clips. I mean, it wasn't some stellar performance. And the entire sentiment of this country, including the Democratic

Party, was capitulation to some kind of compromise with Donald Trump. And so you have numerous Democrats vote for Lake and Rale in the Senate, in the House. And you can't then say, okay, If we're going to do that, then be surprised that you're basically giving Trump administration cover to say, well, you've said we can deport people without due process. You've said that we're going to adopt the European anti-immigrant framework, which is what Lake and Raleigh was based on. We're going to adopt it here. You're voting for it. And now you're outraged that they're mass raids and people are being deported. So, you know, I think that the Democrats, we just, instead of looking at polls, we need.

to look at our principles. And in hockey, you know, Gretzky used to say, skate to where the puck is going, not to where the puck is at. And I think this has been a Democratic Party that keeps skating to where the puck is. And then we get surprised. And instead, you know, Donald Trump,

terrible person, but he doesn't look at polls. Like, I don't think he's sitting there looking at polls saying, let's invade Greenland, or, you know, all the other junk he puts out there. He just talks about what he thinks. And how about a Democratic Party that just says what we believe? Democrats deep down believe immigrants are good for America.

They're just afraid to say it because of the politics. You mentioned the idea of making it clear that in the event that there's going to be a democratic administration. And maybe it's a good time to talk about like, you know, the dynamic of Pam Bondi trying to get social security information, trying to get sensitive information. I mean, essentially statutory prohibited, statutorily prohibited information from the state to share about voters, they made the offer of we'll leave Minnesota if we get that information, which in and of itself, I think, gives up the game. What are your concerns about midterm elections going off? Like, or, you know, the Trump administration interfering with the holding of elections or undermining the ability of people to vote. How concerned are you about that? I'm considering they're going to use every trick in the book.

You know, I was talking to Lloyd Dogget, a member of Congress from Texas. And he said, Ro, when we got into Congress this term, no one would have guessed that they tried to do mid-districting in Texas. He's not running for Congress again because he's losing his seat. He said, no one thought that. We have to anticipate that they're going to do crazy things. Now, some things we can anticipate. They're probably going to have ICE agents out there intimidating folks. They may try to deploy the national dart.

They are going to try to intimidate election officials the way Pam Bondi is. The advantage we have is usually authoritarian leaders are in the 50, 60 percent approval. I mean, you have Donald Trump at 40, 38. 40 percent. And we have decentralized elections here. So you have Governor Newsom and Governor Shapiro and Governor Cheryl in New Jersey. And that gives us leverage. But the way we're going to overcome it is one being clear-eyed that they're going to be using all these tactics to have a pool of our election lawyers ready to go, which is what we had in California with Proposition 50, and to have just mobilized citizenry across the country. The credit I give to why we have,

have been able to make some dent with Trump is all to the people on the streets. It's not the elected politicians like me or others. It is the fact that the American people for the last year have been showing up at risk to themselves. And by the way, it's not the wealthy CEOs who've been doing that. It's ordinary Americans who've been doing it. I wanted to turn to California a little bit, the AB 1627, which would ban ICE agents from teaching and policing jobs in California. Obviously, you know, you don't, you don't vote on something like this, but is this consistent with the idea that you were expressing earlier? We're going to hold ICE agents to account for their lawbreaking. I mean, this obviously, just being an ICE agent would

disqualify you. Where do you come down on something like that? Well, I'd have to look at the details of it. I don't want to duck the question, but my view, if it's broad-based, which is every single ICE agent, I'd be a little concerned because I think that I feel differently that ice agents are breaking the law. I don't think every single ICE agent is breaking the law. And I much rather go after the architects of the policy like Stephen Miller and Christine Nome and Donald Trump and J.D. Vance than just ICE agents who are law-abiding but being put in a situation of extraordinary quotas and financial rewards. That said, agents who are committing law violations, certainly there, I believe they should be criminally prosecuted and face civil liability.

And since we're in California, and that at least rhetorically speaking, the wealth tax. I know this is something that you have promoted and there's going to be a referendum in November. Gavin Newsom is against this tax. Just tell people a little bit about this. I mean, I think this is a wonderful idea, you know, and I'd like to see it expand, frankly. But tell us a little bit about your perspective on a wealth tax and this one in particular. Well, look, I mean, we have the most income inequality we've had in arguably this country's history. My district, Silicon Valley, has one-third of the nation's wealth, $18 trillion.

The national stock market is $60 trillion. at a time where Californians don't have health care. I mean, 2 million Californians are going to lose health care because of the Medicaid cuts. There are 600,000 are going to lose the Affordable Care Act, and 200,000 health care workers are going to be put out of work. And they're saying, well, the SEI union is self-interested. Yeah, they're self-interested. They don't want to see nurses and home care workers out of work.

That's their job. That's why they're a union. That's why we support unions. So the question is when you have wealth and billionaire wealth, and most of it doesn't get taxed because you have the tax on options and you have the tax on grants, but then all of the appreciation, you don't tax that unless someone dies. And then when they give it to their air, sometimes it doesn't get taxed because you get a step up in basis. And the idea that you would have some tax on wealth in this country,

It seems to be very reasonable to be able to pay for health care, child care, education. You right now have a society where you have an AI revolution, and some people are benefiting extraordinarily for it, but a lot of other people are not. And I'm a celebrator of entrepreneurship and innovation, and I believe these people create great companies. I mean, we may disagree on the value of it. I've celebrated it, but I don't think you can do it without everyone participating. And I'm not for just, let's have no one work and have a UBI, but some friends who are for a UBI.

I was like, who's going to pay for it? I mean, you've got to be able to tax the extraordinary wealth to be able to make sure everyone is participating. And that in a nutshell is the debate federally and statewide, but obviously people are upset with me over it. And, you know, it's where I've actually stood since I supported Bernie Sanders. Do you think you're going to lose one constituent to another state over this wealth tax? I mean, the threats are that there's going to be capital flight. I know that the CEO of Navidia almost laughed off the idea that they would leave California. Certainly, it's not a wealth tax that Mamdani was proposing for universal child care here.

a couple of percentage over, you know, a million dollars, your first million dollars, you have to pay two percent or something to that effect. Massachusetts instituted a millionaire's tax, again, not a wealth tax, but an income tax. And all they saw was more millionaires. We hear this all the time, the idea of capital flight. That capital flight and the idea of like, how do you assess what the value of something is, which we do all the time, whether it's, you know, whether in the form of penalties or in the form of like real estate taxes or whatnot, but that notion that there's going to be capital flight, how much of a concern is that, considering that your district in particular is one of the wealthiest in the country, the world,

I don't know. Well, let me take both of your questions. First of all in the assessment, we assess this all the time, right? Because when someone dies, how do you assess their estate? By definition, we have an estate tax, so we assess the wealth. I mean, that's, so, you know, the argument that we don't assess it is just not true, factually. We do assess at the time of death.

You can assess that at any moment then. So, you know, that's just a false flag. Point in capital flight, look, there are technical concerns, which we're working on in the ballot issue. I don't think it should apply to illiquid stocks, but there's a way you can do that with a deferral and you can pledge your stock. And if the stock goes down and you're overvalued and you're not, you're a paper billionaire, you won't be taxed.

And it should not, you know, just confront voting shares. But there's a rebuttable presumption on that that it doesn't tax voting shares. But overall, this is what got me in trouble. I quoted FDR. I said we'll miss them very much because FDR said they'll be back. Do I think there'll be some people like Peter Thiel and Larry Page who've left? Yes. But what Genson was saying is,

look, all the talent of AI is there in Silicon Valley. You have Stanford. You have UCSF. You have Berkeley. You have enormous trillion-dollar companies. You have Open AI. You have Google. And ultimately, why people choose to build buildings and companies and invest is because of that ecosystem. And my bigger challenge is not how are we going to continue just the ecosystem, but how are we going to make sure that you don't have a populist revolt against that ecosystem because people feel like there's all this wealth getting piled up and they don't have health care, they don't have child care, they don't have good paying jobs. So, you know, some people think that what I'm saying is actually giving the billionaires an easy way out, paying a couple percent, and that the revolt from the left and the right could be much more severe if the income

inequality continues. But Bernie and I are, you know, we're going to be having a conversation out there soon. And I think what I'm articulating is basically the FDR vision of how do we get a free enterprise system to work for every American. I'd be in double digits on that wealth tax myself, but that's, that's, we can be a billionaire anytime soon, huh? Sam? Well, I would also put the breaks on before, but we can we can save that for another conversation, you know, the things that we can implement to inhibit the accrual of that type of wealth. But that's a separate

conversation. I wanted to touch on this. Emma, unfortunately, out today, but a couple years ago she interviewed you and had brought up David Sacks, who was a bundler for you. He's now the Tsar of

I don't know if it's the technology or corruption. I'm not exactly sure what his official title is. in the... You know, Emma is... I've always liked and respected Emma. I don't know if she's had... Honestly, every other Wednesday, she's out of...

She's out of... I hope... I hope, you know, I take her criticism when she does, a good spirit, but I look at the David Sacks thing, and I'll explain, but I want you to ask your question, but he supported me for two reasons, because of my stance on war in peace. I was one of the people who was on a congressional progressive letter saying that, well, all we want to support Ukraine, you know, we also need to have negotiation. And I've been classically for restraint when it comes to Yemen and American foreign policy.

And Sachs, who is the support of the Quincy Institute, aligned on that issue, and that's why he's supported me. But that doesn't, you know, he's criticized me all the time right now on the, on the wealth tax, and he's criticized me on many policies. So, you know, that's, and certainly, you know, he's an AI accelerationist. I'd say I'm not an AI accelerationist. I'm not an AI dumer. I'm sort of an AI democratist.

We need sensible regulation. So we have differences of opinion on many issues. And just more broadly, how much does the implications of this funding? I mean, obviously, you know, you've taken positions that are just, that he disagrees with. And I think he's more of an avatar. I know his specific money. I mean, he's, but how, how concerned are you as to like capture by sources of money in that regard?

I mean, it's no fun dialing for dollars. I would imagine you don't enjoy that any more than any other member of Congress. And, you know, if somebody comes along and can bundle X amount of dollars for you, that means that you're going to have time to do more things. How do you navigate that line where you're not trading off certain things or you're afraid of stepping on certain toes? Well, look, first, I don't take any pack money. I don't take any lobbyist money. I don't have a super PAC. So the contributions you're talking about are not the hundreds of.

thousands of millions of dollars. Everyone is limited to $3,500 for a primary, $3,500 for a general. And we raise millions of dollars. I'm not saying that people who are affluent don't have disproportionate say in a democracy. But to me, the biggest problem is the role of these super PACs where people drop in millions of dollars. And that's why Summerlee and I have a bill to say you should regulate the super PAC, saying you shouldn't be able to contribute more to a super PAC than you can to a candidate. That would solve a lot of problems. But, If you look at my record, I mean, from the wealth tax to Medicare for all to free public college, to the fact that the New York Times said the tech billionaires trying to oustrow Ocana because of the support of a wealth tax,

to less money for the Pentagon budget where you have a lot of defense tech in my district. I think you'll find that I would press people to find where I have taken a policy position in any way that's been influenced by the donor class. It's the exact opposite in what I've stood for. Where I think it is problematic is it is time and it is an unseemly part of politics that you have to raise money. I mean, it's just something I wish we didn't have. I wish we had democracy dollars or some kind of public financing that I've supported. But I make it very clear where I stand on issues. And, you know, I've never cast a single vote in my judgment. honestly, where for donors, and I've passed many votes that it's exactly against what these donors

believe, especially now where they're coming after me. Representative Rokane, I also just wanted to thank you for your support of Social Security and Medicare. I know you've been very much involved in that as well, and that's one of my bailiwicks. So I appreciate that. And I appreciate you and Emma and sounding the 11th. alarm early on what happened in Gaza. You know, I've come to the view that I've a co-sponsor Rashida Thlebe's resolution that was genocide, but, you know, I did that maybe months ago, and you were at a moral clarity

on that before many of us. So I appreciate that. Oh, thank you. Representative Roe-Kana, U.S. Representative of California's 17th Congressional Division. Thanks again for coming on. Much appreciate it. Thank you. Appreciate it.

All right, folks. We're going to head into the fun half of the program today. Looks like it's confirmed by at least Liz Collins of the Atlantic. sources tell me it was apple cider vinegar that Ilhan Omar was sprayed with last night. So the Maha connections thicken. I was literally joking about that before the show started. But also there's a big timeline of this guy's life recently put out by the GOP in Minnesota

and they're blaming the algorithm for radicalizing this guy post a divorce apparently it's that that plus the algorithm led him to become a giant racist guy was there any particular programs

that he was watching? Well the funny thing is I'm old enough to remember when Facebook wanted to address the hate in their algorithm and well the good news is TikTok is is no longer letting you use Zionist

with negative connotations. Well, there's a guy named Joel Kaplan, who people might remember was a sited behind Brett Kavanaugh when he was put on the Supreme Court. And Joe Kaplan's job at Facebook was to make sure that all that anti-hate stuff they were doing didn't wing the campaign efforts of congressional Republicans.

So we never got around to maybe saving this guy's life before he got radicalized by the algorithm. And remind me of where Joel Kaplan worked before he worked at Meta. If I remember correctly, it was, long-time Republican operative served eight years in the Bush administration as White House deputy chief of staff for policy. And then Bright Bart News. Yes. On the daily caller. Yes, exactly.

So this algorithm, this algorithm, this apolitical algorithm that's a political algorithm that we're We're all struggling with. We're going to make that very apolitical and very free of hate. That makes us get upset with black people after our divorce. That just happens. The algorithms do that. Why apple cider vinegar? Just because it smells bad?

Yeah. I don't know. Probably enough Kennedy's always talking about apple cider. I called the ACD and you called the divorce. Sam. We both have that. I don't get enough credit for maintaining my politics in the wake of my divorce. Because

That's true. Like every 50-some-odd-year-old guy who gets divorced, it seems like ends up, I mean, it used to be just was a huge rush limbaugh guy. And then, but it is almost like a one-to-one relate. Not every guy who gets divorced in their 50s is a right-winger. The ones who aren't deserve to be. But I will tell you, if you meet. A 50-something old right winger, asking him if he's divorced is probably the first best.

You're like one of those cold readers, psychics, being like, are you, I'm getting strong divorced energy. Oh, good news. He purchased a Glock back in 2022. Oh, that's good. Yeah, this is, again, from a GOP chairperson. Although maybe I should look that up Wait, do you think that could be fake?

Yeah, I have seen this going on. Oh, yeah, don't show. Don't. Yeah, take it down. Take it down. Let's get that verified. Yeah. I still stand by the fact that the guy is divorced.

Even if we don't have that confirmed. And Washington Post is reporting that he followed Ben Shapiro, Candice Owens, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, those people. Really? That is so shocking. That is so shocking. I won't trust any of that stuff that doesn't come from a verified source, except for the divorce part, because that just seems to be

100% guaranteed. All right, folks. Steve Bannon should open like a divorce man's clothing line. Oh, my God. Because they all look like him. Yeah. Yes, it's true. It can go either way with the divorce thing.

It's like you're two tough dates away after the divorce. particularly, you know, for someone who's like in the 50s, because chances are you got married before there was any like these apps or anything like that, it would take just like two dates on the apps and then all of a sudden you're just like, I'm never showering again. I am done being worried about what clothes I'm wearing. Shugging apple cider vinegar. Exactly. I don't need to work out.

anymore. I just, if I take enough apple cider vinegar, I'll be fine. That leather jacket that clearly had Marble Reds in it is such a look. Oh, yeah? Was he wearing a leather jacket? Or like a just like a weathered something jacket. But there's all this stuff. There's all this programming for men that are wayward on the right. Why wasn't he set straight by it? I just like, what is the thinking apple cider vinegar? I'm going to, I'm going to spray her with apple cider vinegar. Like there's not even any like metaphorical. Yeah, it just stinks. Folks, it's your support that makes this show possible.

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who's a great candidate. So check that out if you're in the Austin area at the end of the show yesterday. See you in the fun half. three months from now, six months from now, nine months from now. And I don't think it's going to be the same as it looks like in six months from now. And I don't know if it's necessarily going to be better six months from now than it is three months from now.

But I think around 18 months out, we're going to look back and go like, wow. What? What is that going on? It's nuts. Wait a second. Hold on for, hold on for a second. Emma, welcome to the program. Hey.

Fun hack. Matt! What is up, everyone? Fun hack. No, me, Keene. You did it. Fun hack. Let's go Brandon.

Let's go Brandon. Fun hat. Bradley, you want to say hello? Sorry to disappoint. Everyone, I'm just a random guy. It's all the boys today. Fundamentally false. No, I'm sorry.

Women's... Stop talking for a second. Let me finish. Where is this coming from, dude? But dude, you want to smoke this? Um, seven, eight? Yes. Yes?

It is you. I don't know. I think it is you. Who is you? No sound. Every single freaking day. What's on your mind? We can discuss free markets and we can discuss capitalism.

I'm going to guess how life. Who libertarians? They're so stupid though. Common sense says, of course. Gobbled e-gook. We fucking nailed him. So what's 79 plus 21? Challenge met.

I'm positively clivering. I believe 96, I want to say. 57, 210, 501, 501, 1 half, 3-8s, 9-11 for instance, $3,400, $1,900, $6,5,4, $3 trillion sold. It's a zero-sum game. Actually, you're making me think less. But let me say this. Poop. You can call it satire, Sam goes to satire.

On top of it all, my favorite part about you is just like every day, all day, like everything you do. Without a doubt. Hey, buddy, we see you next. Folks. Folks. It's just the week being weeded out, obviously. Yeah. Sun's out guns out.

But you should know. People just don't like to entertain ideas anymore. I have a question. Who cares? Our chat is enabled, folks. I love it. I do love that. Got to jump.

I got to be quick. I get a jump. I'm losing. Two o'clock. We're already late. And the guy's being a dick. So screw him. Um.

Sent to a gulaw? Courageous. What is wrong with you? Love you. Love you. Bye-bye.