The Majority Report with Sam Seder - 3569 - America Tips Into Fascism; Canada's Largest Union Flexes w/ Garrett Graff & Mark Hancock

Episode Date: August 27, 2025

It's hump day on the Majority Report On today's show: Israeli Knesset member Ofer Cassif posts on his social media a plea for Israelis to use every democratic avenue to end this holocaust of Palestinians. The New Yorker's Isaac Chotiner interviews the former ambassador to Israel under the Biden administration about their policy in Gaza. Palestinian women stand their ground when confronted by Israeli teenaged colonizers. Historian, author and publisher of the Doomsday Scenario newsletter Garrett Graff joins the show to discuss his newest piece, America Tips Into Fascism. President of the Canadian Union of Public Employees, Mark Hancock joins us to talk about leading a successful Air Canada flight attendant strike. In the Fun Half: We are joined by comedian and host of The Bitchuation Room Francesca Fiorentini. If you are in the Houston area Francesca will be co-headlining a stand-up comedy show with comedian and host of the Bad Hasbara Podcast Matt Lieb at The Punchline on Thursday, August 28. Also check out her new long form video on RFK, Jr. On the Breakfast Club, Charlamagne tha God calls Hakeem Jeffries 'AIPAC' Shakur showing how mainstream the concept of accepting Israeli Lobby money is a sign on corruption has become. Rep Josh Breechen (R-OK) holds a town hall in Pryor, Oklahoma to warn the locals of a threat of incoming Sharia Law and the Muslim Brotherhood trying to restart the Ottoman Empire in America while people just wanted to hear about grocery prices. Benjamin Netanyahu guests on Patrick Bet-David's PBD Podcast to launder his genocide. All that and more. The Congress switchboard number is [phone]. You can use this number to connect with either the U.S. Senate or the House of Representatives. Follow us on TikTok here: https://www.tiktok.com/@majorityreportfm Check us out on Twitch here: https://www.twitch.tv/themajorityreport Find our Rumble stream here: https://rumble.com/user/majorityreport Check out our alt YouTube channel here: https://www.youtube.com/majorityreportlive Gift a Majority Report subscription here: https://fans.fm/majority/gift Subscribe to the ESVN YouTube channel here: https://www.youtube.com/esvnshow Subscribe to the AMQuickie newsletter here: https://am-quickie.ghost.io/ Join the Majority Report Discord! https://majoritydiscord.com/ Get all your MR merch at our store: https://shop.majorityreportradio.com/ Get the free Majority Report App!: https://majority.fm/app Go to https://JustCoffee.coop and use coupon code majority to get 10% off your purchase Check out today's sponsors: EXPRESS VPN: Get up to 4 extra months free. Expressvpn.com/Majority ZOCDOC: Go to Zocdoc.com/MAJORITY and download the Zocdoc app to sign-up for FREE and book a top-rated doctor SUNSET LAKE:  Head to SunsetLakeCBD.com and buy any three 4-packs, and you’ll get a fourth one for free. Just add four 4-packs to your cart and use the code LABORDAY25 at checkout Follow the Majority Report crew on Twitter: @SamSeder @EmmaVigeland @MattLech Check out Matt’s show, Left Reckoning, on YouTube, and subscribe on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/leftreckoning Check out Matt Binder’s YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/mattbinder Subscribe to Brandon’s show The Discourse on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/ExpandTheDiscourse Check out Ava Raiza’s music here! https://avaraiza.bandcamp.com/ The Majority Report with Sam Seder – https://majorityreportradio.com

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August 27th, 2025. My name is Emma Vigland in for Sam Cedar, and this is the five-time award-winning majority report. We are broadcasting live steps from the industrially ravaged Gowanus Canal in the heartland of America, downtown Brooklyn, USA. On the program today, Garrett Graf will be with us to talk about what tipped the United States. into fascism.

And later in the show, Mark Hancock, national president of the Canadian Union of Public Employees, joins us to talk about reaching a tentative agreement with Air Canada. Also on the program, Fed Governor Lisa Cook will file a lawsuit, challenging her firing, as questions emerge as to how Trump was able to access her private mortgage information. When asked about sending the National Guard to Chicago over local leaders' objections,

Trump says he, quote, has the right to do anything I want. That should be a game. Toddler or president? Pick. The National Guardsmen deployed to D.C. are now picking up trash outside the White House. Trump also says Republicans are working on a new crime bill. Remember when he was hitting Hillary Clinton on her super predators, the comments?

A whistleblower reveals that more than 300 million Americans may have had their social security data uploaded to an insecure cloud service by Doge. All to give Grok all the info it needs. Rock, what's my social security number? He's doing nothing. Or maybe it's not for Grock. Maybe it's for his future ex-payments plan, turning Twitter into a bank. Remember Doge? Yeah.

FEMA suspends dozens of employees who signed a letter criticizing Trump gutting their agency. ICE is targeting delivery drivers for apps like Uber Eats and DoorDash and Corporate. separations keep their lip sealed. U.S. deportation flights have hit record highs. In Iowa, Democrats flip a key state Senate seat. A district Trump won by over 10 points to break the Republican supermajority. Joni Ernst. Up in 2026.

Gotta be a little nervous. You know, Anne Selzer was right. She was just right too early. Full inside baseball. 10 Palestinians starved to death over the past 24 hours, including two children. And lastly, a Reuters journalist resigns, citing the outlets, quote, betrayal of her colleagues in Gaza. All this and more on today's majority report. Welcome to the show, everybody.

We have a great show for you. It is Humph Day. Hello, Brian. Hello, Matt. Hello, audience. We'll start on a bit of a somber note, but we have to continuously give these updates here because the situation in Gaza continues to be an absolute apocalypse, a Holocaust. Don't take my word for it. This is Ofer Kassif, who's an Israeli politician, one of the only ones.

one of the lone voices, really, speaking about what's happening in Gaza. He's a member of the Hadash party. We've had him on the show, actually, which is the far left party in Israel. This is him speaking plainly and saying this publicly, which, as we discussed with him when he was on the show, he puts a target on his back like this within a deeply fascistic society to be one of the few people in power saying this. kind of thing. But it's important that he is, especially because

in Gaza, over the past 24 hours, at least 10 Palestinians have died from starvation, including two children. And Gaza City in the north is being they've been just bombing rubble at this point. They've destroyed

every part of like sustainable life in Gaza, by design, the only way that folks are able to eat is if food comes across and we know that Israel is blocking an overwhelming majority of the food. So Palestinians can't grow their own food. Everything's dust and rubble and destroyed. And they are being starved to death by Israel controlling the entire border of the Gaza Strip essentially and not allowing Aiden. I mean, Egypt's complicit too. But here is Ophur

speaking plainly that this is a holocaust we can no longer use sugar-coded terms there is no war in Gaza there is a Holocaust in Gaza Israel is facilitating a Holocaust Gaza extermination concentration camps weaponized starvation genocide according to the most basic and accepted definition of the word anyone who doesn't raise his voice and oppose with all his strength the Israeli government, and the IDF is complicit in this crime. A Holocaust is taking place in Gaza right now, led by the government and with approval from the generals.

Refused to participate in this genocide. We must rise up against this government, not with violence, but a peaceful uprising, with strikes, protests, blocking roads, with every possible democratic avenue. this government is exterminating a people and facilitating fascism, creating a fascist regime, also within Israel. Those that refuse to oppose this government will not only be complicit in its criminal actions, but also its next target. And there have been, thankfully, protests on the streets

of Tel Aviv. I don't want to overstate these, though, because when you look at public opinion within Israel, that is not what you're going to see in an urban center like Tel Aviv and largely the protests are centered around the hostages where, okay, many of the protesters say we need a ceasefire so that we can get the hostages back and then return to the genocide. That's a common liberal opinion within Israel. I mean, members of Hadash regularly are targeted for attack and you know, he's working within the system and a very, you know, a system that's gone horribly, horribly wrong.

And Ofer is an extremely brave voice within it and I'm really proud that we had him on the show. The truth is that we're into the point like America's word in Vietnam where this is wrong. It's an atrocity that we're committing every single day for years. And the point needs to be even more direct

types of sabotage, frankly. whether it's like gumming up the works to like from within I mean these are extreme acts of bravery that you can't really like no one's going to hear a podcast and be moved to but it's going to take things like sabotaging the equipment or you know going at generals or something like that like fragging for instance like this is this is where we are yeah with the IDF and Israeli society and the settlers are their own thing too, even more aggressive. And I want to show footage of that in just a second, but just to underscore Matt's point and not to overstate the significance of these protests in Israel, but also to encourage them and

to say that, yes, more direct action is taken. And really, this is the responsibility of Western governments to cut off aid and sanction Israel. And I mean, in my ideal world, the United States military would go into Gaza and get the and and make sure that the Palestinians were safe from the IDF and fight them if they need be obviously that is not going to happen I mean that's what needs to happen but Western governments because under Donald Trump that's not that's not what I mean obviously what yeah I mean and the world I mean there just needs to be a and what I'll just needs to happen is stop backing up Israel and stop letting it, um, have such an overwhelming, uh, uh, force against everybody else who wants to do something

about it, right? Um, if we weren't constantly rearming iron dome, they would have to be more disciplined. They're not because, and look what happened with the run. They get hit in one hard, hard way. And now of a sudden they're ready to meet a ceasefire. They only respond to force. There's a book called this, Nick Thrall. That, like, that's the only language you understand. Well, they don't want to advertise how actually devastating the, there's been a real cover-up of the impact of those Iranian strikes because Israel is obsessed with its deterrence capacity and this shows that they actually are vulnerable in many ways. And it's good to know that. And that vulnerability, we shouldn't be trying to protect them from it. Exactly. Because that's why you've seen tens and tens and tens

to hundreds of thousands of people be slaughtered in a Holocaust. And back just briefly, to the protests on public sentiment there. I mean, I have this article saved on my desktop just to continuously refer to it because back in June, there was a survey of Israelis. And this is, you know, I'm not, this is overall Israelis here.

But the 64% believe that Israel's local media is reporting on Gaza has been balanced and there's no need to present a broader picture regarding the situation of Gaza's civilians. Another question in the poll said, if was asking Israelis, to what extent respondents agree with the statement that, quote, there are no innocent people in Gaza, 64% agreed with it to a large extent, meaning that's a unequivocal, sometimes you'll have somewhat agree in polls.

This is completely agree. When it comes to Israeli's views on foreign media outlets, CNN and the BBC, they ask about. 69% of her pundits said that CNN and the BBC are biased in favor of the Palestinians in Gaza. So we have a society that needs to be pressured and forced to change and stand down from the outside. Because over in the West Bank, the crisis is escalating also at a rapid pace. We've spoken at length about this new green lighting of the E1 settlement plan, which segments and puts a settlement in between occupied East Jerusalem, which Israel has been illegally occupying and is Palestinian land since 1967,

and a newer settlement that has cropped up and makes it so that it's very difficult to connect the West Bank that still has Palestinians in, although they're changing that as well. uh to east jerusalem because there's a bunch of settlers in between and as that project uh goes forward the israeli government is handing out handguns to settlers and encouraging them to do violence the man that shot and killed one of the Palestinians who worked on the oscar winning documentary no other land was released immediately by an Israeli judge. We, our Congress takes votes and one of the votes recently was like for specifically assault rifles and that's where this stuff is going to ultimately.

Here are, uh, here is a video of a, um, Israeli settler in the West Bank and a Palestinian woman and she basically stands her ground as these settlers. raid her land. before she spit in his face. Good for her. I mean, these are teenage kids, it looks like. The level of intensity in their eyes, you know, you're looking into the darkest,

the darkest corners of humanity. I see some of these interviews with IDF people and there's nothing so cut off from one's humanity. that you can justify this kind of thing. And the bipartisan nature of this is really important to underscore. We'll get into this more in the second half of the show. But I just wanted to read this one excerpt, if we could pull it up from Isaac Chautner of The New Yorker,

who does these incredible interviews that I don't know why anyone agrees to because he gets the better of them every single time. Hey, you know who came out well in it is Abasker Sankara. The lone survivor. So this one excerpt is really making the rounds the part about children. Chattner interviewed Jack Liu, Biden's ambassador to Israel. And this part was just stunning.

when they're talking about the children that were killed. His answer to this question previously here what on earth happened. So when you would call in the middle of the night, basically talk about the Israeli government and ask them, what on earth happened?

What was usually the answer? The general pattern was that in the moment's stories were inaccurate and that the Israeli military and government establishment were not in a position to fully explain. yet. Please. We could almost never get answers that explained what happened

before the story was fully framed in international media. And then when the facts were fully developed, it turned out that the casualties were much lower. The number of civilians was much lower. And in many cases, the children were children of Hamas fighters, not children taking cover in places.

Chotner. Sorry, what did you just say? In many he, Lou, in many cases, the original number of casualties, Chotner. No, I mean the thing about who the children were. Lou, they were often the children of the fighters themselves, Chotner, and therefore what follows from that, Lou? What follows is that whether or not it was a legitimate military target flows from the population that's there. Chotner, hold on, Mr. Secretary.

That's not in fact correct, right? Whether it's a legitimate target has to do with all kinds of things like proportionality. It doesn't matter if the kids are the kids of Lou interjects. If you're in a command and control center, that's different than if a school, if it's a school that's emptied out and innocent civilians are taking shelter there. If you're the commander of a Hamas unit and you bring your family to a military site,

that's different. I'm not saying everything fits into that and I'm not saying it's not a tragedy. Chotner, it may shine a very poor light on Hamas, but who the kids are does not make a difference in terms of international law. Lou, it is not the simple question that it originally appears to be when the initial report makes it sound like the target

was just an empty school that families took cover in. in some cases i'm not aware of the full explanations because when i left we were still asking questions to get more detail and saying them uh to them that they have to be able to explain these things and i'm not going to say that none of them fall outside the bombs of things um the bounds of things where there should be disciplinary action against them of blah blah blah blah blah but basically admitting that they're okay with targeting children and what they deem or Hamas command and control centers. The whole area is 141 square miles. And prior to the genocide where despite what Lou says, we know, we know that hundreds of thousands are dead. We haven't been

able to count. The numbers we have are just the folks that are either came to the hospital and died. We spoke to Dr. Tarak Lubani about this. So they were able to verify their identity or they were able to do so in some other way. But there are hundreds of thousands of people on accounting. for in this very, very small piece of land, presumed dead under rubble. Hundreds of it's major undercounts by factors over and over

again. And there's going to be children everywhere because they're being held in an open air concentration camp that you're carpet bombing. This is, I know we need to get to our guests quick. Abdul Rahman

Al-Alawi. 16-year-old born in Denver, Colorado, was killed in a drone strike in 2011 that the Obama in particular signed off on. At first, the United States government said, well, we didn't know that the 16-year-old was there, the 16-year-old U.S. citizen, again, killed a drone strike. But then Robert Gibbs, White House Press Secretary, said, I would suggest that you should have a far more responsible father. His father was Anwar Alalaki.

And I would suggest you have a far more responsible father if they are truly concerned about the well-meaning of their children. I don't think becoming an al-Qaeda jihadish terrorist is the best way to go about doing your business. They had no evidence that this son was becoming that. But, you know, the people that were upset about Obama's drone war, this is where we end up. We end up making excuses for a genocide that the Israelis are doing

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Doomsday Scenario newsletter, author of many books, including his most recent The Devil Reached Towards the Sky and his latest piece for Doomsday Scenario is entitled America Tips Into Fascism. Garrett, thanks so much for coming on the show today. My pleasure. So I love the title of your piece, America Tips Into Fascism, because the tipping kind of evokes something about the present moment. like it's like that feeling when you're on the top of a uh you're in like the front car of a roller coaster and the you're about to go over the big dip and you're at the front you're all you're already down there

right and you're just anticipating the big drop that's like honestly what it it felt like for me when i was reading your piece trying to pinpoint this current moment um why do you think we're at the at the moment here where we're tipping in even though i know your piece talks about how we're not going to be able to pinpoint one moment, but this period is the moment. Yeah, I think it, you know, we, as you said, we've been anticipating that this is the direction that the country was going to slide under Trump, you know, not just for months, but for years. I mean, this has been a longstanding warning about Trump's authoritarian and fascist designs

on our country and our government. But I think a lot of people sort of wrongly have thought. about this as if there was going to be like a light switch that turns on and off, you know, that sort of everything before this moment is democracy, everything that comes after this moment is authoritarianism. And that's, of course, not really the way that it happens. And what I think we have watched over this last month, really just over the last two weeks, is this moment where we have just sort of tipped over the edge into a new era where our country is fundamentally different. That does not mean that this is irreversible. That does not mean that we are a full-blown

authoritarian state. But I think we are now living in an authoritarian country in a way that even just two weeks ago before the D.C. police take over and the deployment of the military to D.C., I think we were not yet at that moment. And for me, it's been this accumulation over the course of this month of these little moments and big moments. The D.C. police take over, the search of John Bolton's house and others that made me feel like this week when we wake up In the morning, our country is fundamentally different. Another instance where it gives us that indication and you write about corporate titans lining up to pay tribute to Donald Trump. But Bill Gates was just at the White House and the New York Times just reported that the Gates Foundation has quietly stopped sending tens of millions to like major democratic consulting firms.

This is just another example of like these industry leaders. and these very wealthy people kissing the ring, even the Intel stake thing, kind of converting a grant to an equity purchase without any conditions except to kind of merge Trump's influence in curry favor with the use of taxpayer funds with a major company like this in order to secure his support, the only thing you can really draw a comparison to

is like the crony capitalism of, say, Putin or other capitalistic, but authoritarian governments like that? Absolutely. And again, I think it's the accumulation of all of these moments and actions over the last couple of months that lead to this conclusion that we are now in a fundamentally undemocratic, you know, authoritarian moment in America, because this is not what America has looked like before and that we see this, you know, Donald Trump trying to, you know, control the economy personally with, as you said, you know, taking a stake in Intel, you know, levying an unconstitutional export tax on Nvidia in exchange for it being able

to sell advanced computer chips to China. These moments where, you know, Tim Cook shows up from Apple in the Oval Office with literal gold to hand to the president. you know, to help Curry favor. And then these moments where we see the president really trying to dictate our lives in his one true vision of what Donald Trump believes our country should be like. This is not, you know, authoritarian control is not just about the police and the military and business. It's about our, you know, it's about his war on the Smithsonian and sort of declaring that

he alone gets to decide how our history gets taught. It's what books we read in the libraries that he is forcing to be removed. It's his control over our arts in our lives and his takeover of the Kennedy Center in D.C. And then even, you know, this weekend, you know, I think we lose track of just like how crazy so much of this is. And over the weekend, you know, we have this moment where he's like trying to dictate to major league baseball that Roger Clemens needs to be inducted immediately into the Hall of Fame. So I mean, this is our control of our arts, our books, our literature, our, our history, and even our sports. He's putting total and totalitarian. He was trying this with Washington because they're trying to move the NFL

stadium back to the old RFK stite, he's trying to make that conditional on the commanders changing their name back to the racial slur that it was previously. It's, I mean, he puts the total in totalitarian and is constantly omnipresent, like, in our lives. You include some excerpts from the Declaration of Independence to make your point in your piece, and it's striking how I'm not one to fetishize the founding fathers, but many of the warnings delineated there are exactly to a T stuff that we should we're experiencing right now with Donald Trump. Like I have it printed out here. Just some of the things that you list. He has refused his assent to laws the most wholesome and necessary for the public good

for taking away our charters, abolishing our most valuable laws and altering fundamentally the forms of government. He has kept among us in times of peace standing armies without the consent of our legislatures. He has erected a multitude of new offices and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people and eat out their substance. So just some of the piece, people can read the whole thing, but just some of the like incredibly, you know, eerie comparisons there. It's difficult to escape. Yeah. And again, like this is, we're only still, you know, six, seven, eight months into this moment. Like I think, you know, part of what I find fascinating is the extent to which he is speed running the abuses of power that we have previously, you know, literally had

a revolution to fight back against that he, you know, this is not years of accumulated grievances by the colonies. You know, this is sort of stuff that he is doing on an almost weekly basis at this point um you the the democratic party does not escape your critique in your piece um you tell a story about eric canter basically being willing to crash the u.s economy knowing that obama was coming into power and how the republicans really uh embrace nihilism at that moment but the democrats have basically pretended that that streak of the party has not kind of taken over for years What is your view of the Democrats and their role in this moment, especially the national federal Democrats?

Yeah. So I think exactly as you lay out that question, to me there's sort of a distinction between some very brave and forthright and clear-eyed leadership that we have seen at the state level from Gavin Newsom and J.B. Pritzker, among others, held up against the national Democrats in Congress who have been sort of stunningly quiet as the president deploys armed military to take over the city of Washington and the national capital. And, you know, I think we need to, it is very obvious to everyone that this takeover is

being done to the people of D.C. and not to aid them. And you see that in the way that in D.C., you know, restaurant reservations are down, monuments are deserted, parks are deserted. People do not want to be out on the street for fear of running into these armed agents of the state. And the fact that Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer are unable to sort of muster the outrage necessary to say, hey, we shouldn't have the military occupying our capital, and I'm going to sort of hold some press conference in D.C. to oppose that is really stunning to me. And you see echoes throughout all of this of the sort of creaking gerontocracy that has beset the Democratic Party in recent years, where Eleanor Holmes Norton, the nearly 90-year-old longstanding a D.C. delegate to Congress

has not even been seen in public since the, since, you know, the military was deployed to the city, and that when her office released her sort of initial statement, they even put out a photo of her at an unrelated protest to make it seem like she was active in a moment where she is clearly not able to actually act in the capacity that the residents of D.C. need her to be acting right now. It's psychotic. And I know you have to run. So just really quickly, last question,

can you just compare this moment and the resilience of our systems now to say Nixon during Watergate? I know you wrote a book on this. So how is our response? Worse, better. Where are we at in comparison to that? Yeah. So we're in a much worse situation than we ever were in Watergate. And I say that because of what we've seen from the actions of the other two branches of government, both Congress and the Supreme Court, both of which also obviously under the control of the Republicans at this point, where they are aiding and abetting the national slide towards authoritarianism in a way where when you go back to Watergate, when you look at Nixon and Congress in that period from 1972 to 1974, it was very clear

at that time that Republicans in Congress understood that their first duty was to the Constitution. It was to upholding their role as members of a co-equal branch of government to exert checks and balances on the executive branch and to stop its abuse of power. Whereas, of course, over the course of this year, we have seen repeatedly Congress not care when the president takes prerogatives to ignore congressional law. And the Supreme Court under John Roberts has written Trump effectively a blank check as president for immunity for criminal actions. Well, not super encouraging, but a great discussion. I'm sorry. I know you have to run. I wish we could have you on for longer, maybe another day.

Garrett Graff, everybody check out the Doomsday Scenario Newsletter and his latest piece, America, Tips Into Fascism. Thanks so much. Thanks so much for having me. All right, folks, quick break. When we come back, we are going to be speaking to Mark Hancock, National President of

the Canadian Union of Public Employees. Be right back. Thank you. We are back and we are joined now by and we are joined now by Mark Hancock, national president. of Canada's largest union, the Canadian Union of Public Employees, here to talk about the Air Canada Flight Attendant Strike and now contract that is being considered. Mark, thanks so much for coming on the show today.

Thanks, Samma. It's my pleasure to be on today. Of course. We loved playing, I guess it was last week or two weeks ago, a clip of you saying that you would go to jail in defiance. of the back-to-work order that was issued by the Canadian government when you were striking.

Your union represents more than 10,000 air-canada flight attendants. You're the largest union in Canada. It's quite significant to say that kind of thing, given the size of your union. Like, did you feel in that moment like you wanted to take a stand? because I know that some of the other kind of public sector unions in Canada had been hamstrung by the government's intervention in the months prior.

Yeah, I felt we had no choice. You know, these workers are amazing folks. Being a national president, of course, I fly across the country lots. I spend lots of time with flight attendants from Air Canada as well as other companies as well. And I see the work that they do firsthand. And they're amazing folks, 70% women, a lot of young folks that are really just trying to make by. And with the government intervening in Section 107, which had never been used, it's been in the labor code for decades. And in the last two years, it was used six times.

And before that, I think it had been used once in the early 2000s. But for the government to use this, basically ended negotiations or the thought of the company. planning on going to arbitration and refusing to bargain, there was really no choice. We were ordered back to arbitration, and these workers were not going to be getting the best contract by going through this process. So it was, there really was no choice. It was a line in the sand where the biggest union in the country, we felt that we needed to take that stand, and we did that exactly.

It was amazing, and I just want to correct myself, maybe not public sector is the right word. It was port workers, rail workers, more recently. So that's who I was thinking of there. But just take us through what happened to lead to that point. I know that there was a walkout earlier in August. And quickly, of course, the Canadian government led by the liberals ordered you guys back to work. But how did it get to that point when you had to make that statement? And we should say, you quickly got them back to the bargaining table after basically saying, I'm not going to capitulate here. Well, the company was losing $60 million a day is what I understood.

So it was having a big impact on them. We started bargaining, just like we do in any round of bargaining. We have 2,000 locals, about 4,000 collective agreements that our members have across the country. We're bargaining every single day across the country. We know how to get contracts, you know, very, it's not very often that we have to take a strike vote, never mind strike action. It does happen, but it doesn't happen a lot. So we were bargaining with the company, and this is one of the, we don't have a lot of private sector, but Air Canada is a company. So sometimes that's a little bit different when it comes to bargaining. So we were

bargaining. It wasn't going great, but it was going okay. We were moving along. Things seem to stall quite a bit, so we took a strike vote, and it was an incredible strike vote. It was 87, 88% participated, and then 97% of the members voted for strike action. So those are huge numbers. And just a little bit of backdrop, I guess, of this. We had just come out of a 10-year collective agreement with Air Canada. And our members were frustrated with that. Didn't cover the cost of living that we've seen, especially since COVID.

In previous rounds of bargaining, the company had been in trouble. So there was a rollback of wages at one point. There was concessions around their pension in order to keep the company going, keep the company flying. And our members had to be really been suffering, especially the last five or six years. And so this was an important round of bargaining for a variety of reasons. Wages was definitely one of them. Not being paid while they're on the ground was another significant issue. But there was a whole pile of things that we wanted to negotiate.

And we had had some success with the company negotiating a number of things. But when we took the strike vote, the breaks seemed to be applied by the company. And it was pretty obvious to me and many folks that they were going to be looking for the government to intervene. And sure enough, we just started the strike on Saturday. It does feel like weeks ago. I think it was last week. And we started the strike on Saturday. And hours later, the minister of jobs, Patty Haydew, brought in Section 107 and referred the whole matter to the whole matter to the

the CIRB, which is a Canadian Industrial Relations Board. And that, and the company thought that would be it, that we would comply, that there would be some process through arbitration, and that that would be the end of any dispute. And so they refuse to bargain. And quite often, I'm not sure how familiar you are bargaining, you're bargaining towards a deadline. And that's when things get serious, when a union is about to take strike action or to even vote on a strike.

That's when really the progress is. is made at the bargaining table. But in this case, the company thought knew, however you want to frame it, that the government was going to intervene and use 107. There was no reason for them to get serious about bargaining with us. Because as you said, once we made it clear that we were not going back to work without an agreement, that's when the company got serious. That's when they brought in a mediator.

And we were able to get an agreement in, I believe it was about seven hours. it's amazing that you called their their bluff like that i mean what what could the government have done if they wanted to really enforce this in order to try to back up air canada here i i saw them kind of backtrack and be like this would have just impacted the the leaders not the rank and file don't worry about it or something like that but it seems like they you know, this government didn't have the stomach to use this law, which I know, like, your union has called for the repeal of it. It was enacted in the 80s, which we here know in the states, how anti-union that time period was for legislation. Yeah, I mean, I don't know what,

you know, we were facing criminal contempt, I think, that day. And of course, with that comes fines, serious fines, and also, you know, possibly, jail time for me and potentially other labor leaders. And we just made it clear. And I spent a lot of time with these folks heading into the strike, even talking with them on flight, so how they were struggling. And they weren't getting paid for the time that they were sitting on the plane while it was docked at the airport. And I don't know how much you fly, but I fly a lot. And quite often there's lengthy periods of time that you're waiting for a plane leap. I was flew out of Edmonton yesterday, and we were delayed over two and a half hours.

And that time that the flight attendant is doing a ton of work, or those flight attendants are doing a ton of work, they're not getting paid. Right. And it's an inconvenience for me and other passengers, but the fact that those workers, that these flight attendants are working, you know, just as hard when they're on the ground as when they're in the air and not getting compensated, there's just so much wrong with that. And we haven't completely fixed that problem yet, but it's a good start in this collective agreement. And the government has also now called for an investigation and a probe into unpaid work,

which we're going to obviously take a big part of. But, yeah, I mean, they could have thrown me in jail. They could have fined us millions of dollars. There's lots of possible outcomes. But the members made it clear. They were so brave. I was so impressed with them. I was at Pearson Airport for the whole dispute. Couldn't fly anywhere else.

But we were at Pearson and just talking to these folks, many young women that's struggling to get by, making less than $2,000 a month in some cases at the low end, the new flight attendants. You can't live on those types of wages. So it was clear to me that if I needed to go to jail, if we needed to pay fines, that we weren't backing down that we were going to support those flight attendants until they got a deal at a bargaining table. It's incredible to think that you can be on the at the gate, but until those doors close, you could be waiting there for hours. The flight attendants are not getting paid for any of that until the boarding door closes, as they have to maybe do the hardest part of

their job, which is dealing with pissed off people on a delayed flight and providing them service. This is when it should be the opposite, where they get time and a half double time. This is overtime work for them. And that doesn't even include the time while they're at the gate inside the airport, waiting for an incoming plane. And, you know, that could be two, three, five hours. And that doesn't even include that. But I was on that plane yesterday and was from Edmonton of Vancouver, and there was a problem with air traffic control in Vancouver. So they said, well, we're going to board the plane, but you're going to sit there for about an hour. And then while we were sitting there for an hour, there was a problem to develop with the plane.

I don't, you know, of course, make the plane as safe as possible before we take off. But there was a lot of passengers who were flying from Everton to Vancouver and then beyond to Japan and China in different parts of the world. So those folks were really concerned about their connections, and they ended up missing them because we had to have a few mechanics come on about another hour. And then they still had to wait to leave because there was still the issue with the air traffic control in Vancouver. So that was two and a half hours, three hours, at least that we sat on the ground. And the flight attendants had to deal with angry, frustrated passengers. So you're absolutely right that they should be actually compensated more for that time.

I know that this has been an issue for, you know, flight attendants here in the U.S. to American Airlines, I think, got ground duty pay, Alaska Airlines, too. I mean, what are the other areas that ownership management, you know, these corporations need to address in terms of not speaking about the specifics of the contract that's being considered right now, but just the hazards of. of the work that you and your members do and what isn't being considered, basically? Well, as I said a bit earlier, we actually made some progress at the bargaining table on a few items. And I'm no expert in the industry that come out of a municipal local here in B.C., but there was issues around rest time that was dealt with at the bargaining table. There was issues around their pension.

They didn't, they lost indexes, as I said a bit earlier. they were able to achieve some of that. So there were some things that our members felt that were important going into this round of bargaining. But the big things really were those two items was the ground time not being paid for. And the wages, they'd fallen so far behind in the wages. And the employer had an opportunity because we signed a 10-year deal. And I had just become national president at that point. And 10-year deals are way, way too long.

I much prefer seeing a two-year or maybe a three-year collective agreement. but they did that for the sake of labor peace and supporting and helping Air Canada turn it around, which is now making over $2.5 billion profit a year. So they have turned it around. They had these chance during bargaining. There was two wage reopeners. And rather than deal with the cost of living crisis

that we saw the last few years, they refuse to increase to pay by any amount. And if there are- Buybacks instead. Yeah, no, it's the priorities, right? It's, and this might, you know, the CEO, actually they saw the Canadian government during COVID handed up money to employers to help keep them going, you know, during a very difficult time. Air Canada took advantage of that.

They had nobody flying, if you'll remember, like we were shut down for months and months. And they took that money and they turned it into bonuses for their vice presidents, which I did some media on the time, which I have no idea how they were able to to make that seem like it was, reasonable or they probably have to pay it back, or maybe they paid it back, I don't know, but the fact that they would apply to government for money that was intended for employers that were really struggling and trying to keep working and keep employees working and use that for bonuses for the vice presidents is despicable. And there's not much positive I can say about the Air Canada senior management, but they're so lucky to have these great flight

attendants working with them, and they should treat them with respect. And the ground pay, I think there's a couple companies in the U.S. that has it. Porter Airlines who just voted to join Guppy has some as well. It's not nearly where it needs to be. And as I said, this is a step for us in getting ground pay. We're not getting 100% all the time. It's a very first step. And if we can encourage there, we can convince the government to end free work, we're going to do everything that we possibly can because these workers deserve so much more. Lastly, I know that your union has been outspoken about the Canadian government responding to calls for, you know, Palestinian liberation, the rights for Palestinians, and trying to,

you know, end the genocide and the complicity of the Canadian government. We know that Carney is, is recognizing a Palestinian state, lapping the United States on that, unfortunately. But people may see that advocacy and go, why? I mean, what does that have to do with the workers in your union? What would you say to that question? Yeah, we're a Canadian union, but we take a lot of interest in what's happening globally. I visited Columbia last year, and I've been down there twice, meeting with workers, meeting with peace activists in different groups. And when it comes to what's happening in Palestine right now and the genocide in Gaza, it's our moral obligation to speak out on that. And while Carney has taken some steps, I would say he's been dragged kicking and screaming all the way to take the steps that he has. and governments all across the globe should be demanding that that genocide stop.

And part of the reason that we have become so entrenched in our position is workers have been killed on the ground in Gaza, workers that we would represent here in Canada. So folks like health care workers or power workers or ambulance paramedics, a variety, and they've been targeted. And there's proven journalists as well. I know Uniforce conventions right on right now, and they were just talking about how they're supporting journalists on the ground in Gaza and Palestine. So it's an important position for us, to be frank, not all of our members support us in this,

but morally it's the right position to take. Actual last question here. You don't need to answer specifically on this, but, you know, as we're trying to, to take lessons from what your union is doing. I'm curious if you have a response to the last administration, Biden, using kind of a similar threat on the rail strikers to end the strike, different reaction from Air Canada based on your actions. But what was your view on that, if you do have one? Because I'd be curious how we can incorporate some of your tactics over here. No, I mean, it's, you know, in the past, the governments hadn't used 107 on us.

They took us to Parliament, and they would bring in legislation back to work orders. And we never agreed with those, and we've taken those to courts. We're in the courts pretty much across the country in almost all of our provinces standing up for workers. And while, you know, while none of our members want to go on strike, sometimes you just have to say, there is no other choice. And, you know, I'm not going to criticize other unions in Canada or other unions in the states. But fundamentally, governments should stay the hell out of it.

Deals are found at bargaining tables. And when governments intervene time and time again, workers pay the price. And when unions take those governments to court, we win, at least up here in Canada. I'm not sure about the track record of the state. But every time we take, governments or it's usually governments in our case to court them. It takes 10 years to get through

the damp process, but every single time we win. But you can't wait 10 years for the rights of workers to be upheld, especially in this case with our members that are making such poor wages and working for free. There's no way in hell that we could have waited 10 years to work our way through the courts. So that line in the sand, proverbial or otherwise, I think unions have to start drawing that more often. Well said. Mark Hancock, National President of the Canadian Union of Public Employees. Thanks so

much for your time today. I really appreciate it. Thank you very much. And my son, Caden, got in touch with you folks. I'm happy to do this, and he's watching now with my daughter, Kira. So a big hi to both of them. Oh, hi to Caden. Hi to Caira. So glad that they

made the connection here because we were thrilled to have you on. Thanks so much. Right on. It's been my pleasure. you guys take care you too um all right well with that folks we are going to be joined by a special guest in just a second for the fun half but i did want to remind people of uh this this gaza bakery um that we have been um highlighting here as like a place where if you have some extra funds so you know usually i would plug right now become a majority report member member but today instead please see if you can help the Gaza Bakery here.

I received a message from them after we played the footage of the double-tap strike on Nasser Hospital that killed workers and people who were trying to help basically after the first strike happened. And one of the people in the video was a member of the family here. God. So. Did you see the, uh, Israel's, uh, what they said, the reasoning for that double tap was they were shooting at a Hamas camera. Yeah.

Psychotic. You know, the, the, the camera, the scary camera. So, so. The Gaza bakery has been, uh, the Gaza bakery has been doing its best to feed folks. Uh, it's incredibly difficult conditions. It's probably quite. difficult to get the food in there. But we have seen videos and we've played them for you

about their work. One of their family members was in gray in that video. I don't know if people saw it, but it's on camera. So was trying to help and was killed by the second strike by the Israelis. So if you can, please help the Gaza Bakery. Matt, what's happening on Left Reckoning? Yeah, left directly. We had a great show last night, Pelle Dragstead, talking about his book on Nordic socialism. And also, we had a author, talk about military health issues. Alexander Lemons talking about war body, which is, I mean, different types of poisonings you have for being a troop. So, yeah, they don't put that in the brochure when it's like, hey, travel to fancy locations and get your college paid for. Uh, you might have heavy metal poisoning, but, um, you know, at least you didn't have to pay for college, uh, to, uh, and, you know, go into massive months of debt. So, uh, America, America, patreon.com slash left reckoning. And now we will bring in our special guest. Always, always, always a pleasure.

Francesca Furentini, comedian host of the Bituation Room, who will be in Houston tomorrow. And if you can unmute, friends. You are muted. I will speak for you. You were saying some really offensive things. I won't repeat that, obviously, to the audience. But anyway, you and your great husband, Matt Lieb, of the Bad Hasbara show. And also pod yourself a gun, which is now about Mad Men, even though originally it's about the Sopranos.

I don't know how I'm muted. Oh, we hear it now. You're unmuted now. Okay, great. Okay, sorry. It's not like it's my first time. What's up, guys? Yes, thank you for having me.

And, yeah, if anyone wants to, you know, take a load off in the Houston area, come down, see Matt and myself. We co-headline. It's super fun. At the Houston punchline, here it is. 7.30 p.m. tomorrow when you're jetting off in just a bit. Yes, in like half an hour. So, you know, Houston. Texas first red state in a while, not necessarily our market, but I know there's some awesome

for Antifa and probably some very moral listeners out in the Houston area who should come from. Most moral listeners. The most moral listeners. It's very fun to me now to be on shows with Matt because there are people who come who have no idea who I am. And so we'll be like, we'll be like waiting to go on. and then someone will just like walk past me and be like, oh, that's, and then Matt will walk past them and they'll be like, oh my God, that's the guy we just came to see. Oh, my God. And I'll be like. How does that feel? How does it feel to completely be outshined by your husband? I feel like this is a step backwards for women. This is, no, it really is awful. It's awful because every time before, if I would ever get recognized from random, you know, AJ Plus stuff, Matt would come up to me, come up to them and be like, what about me? Do you? What about here? He would make it such a huge thing.

And just the idea that there are like, you know, women swooning over him. I mean, look, I married him. There's a reason for that. But I'm also like, come on. Come on. Have you heard him chew? Have you heard him eat? Anyway, it's so, yeah.

Please come see it. It'll be super fun. And also, plugs out of the way. I'm working on a new format, y'all. I'm doing long form. Emma, I don't know if you've said this to you, but I'm doing, I've switched it up because the news is just like it's too much and I well it's it's great this is one your latest or one of your latest the maha lies one yes this is everything rfk has destroyed so far

and I say this is someone who I don't know about you guys but I like skip rfk junior stories because they're so depressing and terrifying and so this I was like let's put all the pain in one place it's an hour long so if you guys want to check it out viewers you can also listen as a podcast, that would be tight. And now I'm freezing. I'm not sure you sound good. No, you sound good though. So it's all good. That's awesome. I love that format. Check it out. The bituation room is a great listen. Um, as always. All right. Well, also, Austin's kind of taken over by those like comedy cosplayers, right? So you can make Houston into the new hot city down there. First of all, I love Houston. You'll be like in Houston and a

random person and be like, I like your hair and you're like, I love you. No, Houston's amazing. I am halfway through the new elephant graveyard video, which is taking down the mothership and the Rogan sphere. I'm sure Brian probably has already seen it. And it's- I sent it eight minutes after it came out. I sent it to Brian immediately, but I didn't finish it myself.

I watched the first 20 minutes. The guy is amazing. It's good. It's good. My only gripe, I'm having to do it. halfway through. And here's my thing about what spurred Rogan. I also think that the Me Too backlash has everything to do, especially Me Too, in the comedy sphere. Because it did hit the comedy world as well, obviously. And all of those comedians are no longer working. So they've all been canceled. And so I think that also the reaction to Me Too, I think really is what also juiced some of the mother ship and this reactionary comedy yeah we'll put it up here we get the title in there brian so people can see what the title of the video is but this is yeah elephant graveyard

i believe a canadian content creator who is i mean we've we plugged it before yeah oh yeah just sort of genius um half uh genuine half sort of uh sort of uh hammed up psychoanalysis it's giving a little bit of loose change there's a lot of of like loose change vibes but you know what I'm kind of here for it I mean his his he broke down Rogan's latest stand-up special so you don't have to that's another one of his famous videos so everyone go check out and when he zeroes in on rogan's daddy issues it I usually does downplay like sort of psychoanalysis I think it's pretty usually not that insightful and says more about the person doing it but in this case no like we have Joe Rogan's brain sort of like on a like a like a

frog in a high school at the second table. Like, we can see everything about that thing. And the Elon daddy issues too. Oh, my God. I mean, that's, you don't even need to psychoanalyze that. He just laid it all out for everybody. Yep. All right, guys. We'll head into the fun half and we'll have Francesca

stick around for just a little bit before her flight and do some clips. See you on the other side. Okay, Emma, please. Well, I just, I feel that my voice is sorely lacking in the majority report. Wait. Look, Sam was on pop.

I do deserve a vacation at Disney World. So, ladies and gentlemen, it is my pleasure to welcome Emma to the show. It is Thursday. Yeah, I think you need to take over for Sam, but... That's good. Sir, I'm gonna, I'm gonna pause you right there. Wait, what? You can't encourage Emma to live like this.

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We're going to get demonetized. I just think that what you did to Tim Poole was mean. Free speech. That's not what we're about here. Look at how sad he's become now. You shouldn't even talk about it because I think you're responsible. I probably am in the summer. certain way, but let's get to the meltdown here.

Dwerp. Ugh. Sushi and poker with the boys. Oh my god. Wow. Sushi. I'm sorry. I'm losing my fucking mind. So it's offered a twerk. Yeah. Sushi and poker with the voice. Logic. Dwork? Sushi and poker with the voice. Boy, boy, boy. I think I'm like a little kid. I think I'm like a little kid. I think I'm like a little kid. Add this debate seven thousand times. I'm not trying to be a dip right now, but, like, I absolutely think the U.S. should be providing me with a wife and kids. That's not what we're talking about here.

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Sushi and poker. Things have really gotten out of hands. Sushi and poker with the boys. It's deluded. You don't have a clue as to what's going on. Live YouTube. Sam has like the weight of the world on the shoulders. Hogger!

to do this show anymore. It was so much easier. One of the majority of report was just you. You were happy. Let's change the subject. Rangers and Nick are going right. Now, shut it up. Don't want people saying reckless things on your program.

That's one of the most difficult parts about this show. This is a pro-killing podcast. I'm thinking maybe it's time we bury the hatchet. Left his best. Trump. Violet twerk. Don't be foolish and don't fucking tweet at me and don't ditch. The way Emma has cucked all these people love it.

hardest so i wrote my honors thesis about it oh she wrote an anesthesia i guess i should hand the main mic to you now you are to the right of the foreign policy we already fund israel dude are you against us that's a tougher question i have an answer to you god incredible theme song i bumbler emma viglin absolutely one of my favorite people actually not just in the game like period Thank you.