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Episode Date: February 2, 2026

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It is Monday, February 2, 2006. My name is Sam Cedar. This is the five-time award-winning majority report. We are broadcasting live. steps from the industrially ravaged Gowanus Canal in the heartland of America, downtown Brooklyn, USA. On the program today, Brace Belden, co-host of the True Anon podcast to talk to us about this new trove of Epstein files, starring Donald Trump, Elon Musk, Howard Lutnik, Bill Gates, Larry Summers, and more. stars a studded

cavalcade of degenerates. Meanwhile, government partially shut down. Mike Johnson will attempt to pass the Senate bill tomorrow in the House, but it's getting tricky.

Meanwhile, classified whistleblower complaint about Tulsi Gabbard has been stymied by Telsie Gabbard. Interesting. Federal judge orders five-year-old Liam Ramos and father released, finding that administrative warrants are

insufficient under the Fourth Amendment. Meanwhile, that same Texas detention center is on lockdown because of a massive measles outbreak there. Shocking Democratic win in Texas Senate race as a Bernie Bro outperforms by 34 points in a special election State Department sending $6.5 billion

in weapons aid to Israel bypassing Congress Kennedy Center excuse me the Trump Kennedy Center to close for two years for renovation coincidentally just when it becomes

apparent no one is willing to play there. Pardon I test. Wall Street Journal report. Trump got hundreds of millions of dollars payoff by Abu Dhabi royalty in the days leading up to the election via his crypto meme coin. And tomorrow, 330,000 Haitians will lose temporary protected status.

And the assault on Springfield, Ohio is probably just days off. All this and more on today's majority report. Welcome, ladies and gentlemen. Emma Viglin. Hello. Monday, feeling better? Feeling better. Yes, yes.

I was fighting off the sickness Thursday, Friday. Kind of hit me in full force. But yes, feeling a lot better. Fighting off the sickness? Yeah. Well, I mean, there's a lot of sicknesses. out there, but a sickness. When you say the sickness, though, it sounds like there's

just... Christ, for being pedantic, and it's 12. 10. She's talking about the disturbed song. Okay. Down with it. All right. Well, I'm glad you didn't get the sickness because that would have been really bad.

Yeah, I got a sickness. She received their own med bed card. So much news. It was another one of those weekends. We you know, we tried to sort of like get back into our old format. we have a book interview on Mondays. And then Tuesdays is Newsday.

And it seems like as soon as we decided to do that, Friday's became like the massive news dump day. The first time I got ambitious here and booked authors for like a month out. Yes. I bumped two in a row. We may have to revisit that. Obviously, a very busy Friday and weekend news. I mean, people are barely talking about. the partial government shutdown, I think it's probably because they're playing around with the budgets

or in part because some of the agencies that are underfunded have already been so decimated that we don't anticipate them functioning half the time anyways. We will get to that. There's going to be some votes that are taking place in the House today. They're going to give a sense of what the strategy, the Republicans are going to pursue in an attempt to pass the Senate bill, which you'll recall, essentially funds everything except for puts DHS on a two-week continuing resolution, in which case the Senate would have to come back and vote on that, doing that again,

and the House would sign off on it. We'll see if the Republicans can get a bill to the floor to support the Senate version. unclear what Democrats at this point would vote across the aisle to push this. We'll see. Although Sennie Hoyer and Jim Clyburn, two of the 80-year-olds that are in the House are saying, please cave Democrats, rest of you, please. We're the ones who have no future, but we want to dictate yours. Well, they may have a future. I suspect it has to do lobbying with people who want the government open. You're in your 80s. Well, I forgot. Clyburn's running for re-election as like an 85-year-old man.

So things are going great. Great to have such a good leadership. I mean, that's around the age where you want more sort of domestic help. And essentially, I mean, that's what we know what Diane Feinstein was doing, right? Like, you don't want to let go when you start to get your mid-80s. Like, if you got people who are working for you, going to go and get your groceries, I mean. It's too much change. And that's what's important here.

All right. But let's get to this other story. You know, very difficult to extrapolate from special elections. However, this special election that took place in Texas last night, it was a Texas state Senate seat. These state Senate districts are actually in Texas larger than the congressional districts, because there's just so many people there. a district where Donald Trump won the district by 17 points in 2024. That's obviously, you know, on your elections, tons of Republicans come out. So, and yesterday, a Democrat, Taylor Remit.

And this is, you know, these are one of those seats where the Democrats aren't, you know, the Democrats aren't like lining up for the D triple C or, you know, or, you know, big Democratic donors are not lining up to fund a race in this situation because there's very little chances of somebody winning. And this guy, Remit, does not come from like the typical side of the Democratic Party that you would presume winning a blood red district in Texas. He's a union guy. He ran as more of a left-wing-style populist. That's also anti-voucher, very like vocally anti-voucher pro-public school. Vocally anti-voucher, pro-public school about housing. Let me quote from his website, housing isn't a luxury, it's a right.

Taylor will fight to make housing affordable for the people who actually live and work in Texas, not the developers and hedge funds pricing them out. He supports statewide rent stabilization, tenant protections, and deep investment in public and non-profit housing that working families can actually afford. I know we've been told by the tens of millions of dollars behind the abundance movement that we should not be focusing on demand side subsidies for housing in any way. but he is statewide rent stabilization, tenant protections, and deep investment in public and nonprofit housing.

Taylor believes renters deserve dignity, transparency, and power, and he'll work to stop corporate landlords from turning Texas neighborhoods into profit machines. He also, as a union president and machinist, he believes in the backbone of Texas isn't the boardroom, it's the workshop floor. He supports reclassification. classifying gig workers to guarantee benefits and will fight for apprenticeship pipelines.

He will lead efforts to repeal anti-union laws and expand collective bargaining, etc. So this is the Texas State Senate 9th District, I think, runoff. And he wins by approximately 15 points. So you can do the numbers there. You're talking, it's like a 32. Yeah, I saw 31 written down, 31 point swing. 32 point swing. 31, 32 point swing relative to what it was in this off year, I mean, on year election.

Now, 100,000 people voted, 95,000 or so, and probably you'll turn out to be about 100,000 of 95% were reporting at that point. 100,000 people voting, just to give you a. sense in 2022, voting numbers were 275, I think we said, or 250. Around a quarter million for the 277. So obviously, you know, this is, it's not the same amount of people, but that's still considered a high turnout election. This is not like, you know, 17,000 to 12,000. And also, you know, I was reading a Texas Tribune article about it.

he did it was flipping a lot of Latino voters. And that is going to be the most important. Like, you know, Tolariko is, I think, the better candidate in that in that race. Crockett was on record for the Senate saying that Latino Trump voters have a, quote, slave mentality. So I think that's not a great candidate to do, to create the path that Democrats need to win the Senate potentially in the fall. Because if there has ever been a path, I mean, Beto O'Rourke came close. But if you see these Latino Trump voters swing the other way, stay home, or there's mass mobilization of these voters in response to ICE and the brutality of this administration, there genuinely is a path for a Democrat. Well, and the direct issue is, of course, the Texas Republican Party gerrymandered. And they gerrymandered, believing that they had this mass.

massive support from Latinos. We realigned the Latino. Total realignment. And what this result indicates, aside from the fact that it's pretty amazing in any context to have a 30-point swing over the course of 15 months, what it indicates is that those seats, which were gerrymandered to be Republican, relied on the assumption that Latino voters had now permanently switched to the Republican Party, and we're going to vote for these people. And so they diluted existing Republican districts, still maintaining a majority,

and added and strengthened other districts to make a Republican majority. But the problem is that there's only so many voters. And there is speculation, of course, we can't know. But if these numbers can be extrapolated to the state of Texas, the gerrymander, instead of picking up four seats for Republicans, would garner three seats for the Democrats. So we'll see. Tough to make these predictions. But the other important thing is that Donald Trump is this is the – oh, yeah, okay. Well, but let's play

to his tweet first. I want to see his tweet where he was endorsing. This is a truth social. This is Donald Trump on just a couple of days ago. Lee Wamsagans Yeah. Real name. Republican running for the

state senate in the suburbs of Fort Worth, Texas will be a great candidate and has my complete and total endorsement. A CTE. CTE. Thank you for your attention to this matter. President Donald J. Trump.

There was several millions of dollars that came in from Republican organizations, both in terms of what a wompt bagasse was able to raise and outside expenditures. About a half a million was really the only chunk of money that came in an outside expenditure for Remit, the Democrat. And so outspent three years. four to one, five to one. I'm not exactly sure what it was, but significantly. Here's Donald Trump with his other truth social. I am asking all America first patriots in Texas nine state Senate. This is pretty.

Now listen, this could be read in a bunch of different ways. Is he really asking all American first patriots? Come to the principal's office now. Texas ninth state Senate district to please, make a plan to get out and vote on Election Day for a phenomenal candidate, Lee Wamsagans. She's highly successful entrepreneur, Make America Graham. My very good friend, Dan Patrick, needs a strong conservative Republican to keep Texas red. The radical left Democrats are spending a fortune to beat a true Maga warrior that...

There's one more. We can skip. You can, yeah, okay. Today is the day to all voters in Texas night Senate. Get out and vote for a phenomenal candidate. Lee Wamsengassin. And keep Texas red, polls close. I mean,

this guy really made an effort. And let's see if he's disappointed with the result. He's asked here just today or yesterday. I'm in a special election in an area that you had won by 17 points.

What is your reaction to that? I don't know. I didn't hear about it. Somebody ran where? In Texas, special election for legislative. The nine states. I'm not involved in that. That's a local Texas race.

You mean I won by 17, and this person lost? Things like that happen. Yeah, I don't care. I don't know whether or not it's terrible. I'm not on the balance, and you don't know whether it around it's insurable. You put the Democrats in, you'll end up with open borders again. You'll end up with crime all over the place.

You have no crime anymore. I mean, think of it. The country is the lowest crime it's had in 125 years. in recorded history the year 1900 that's a long time ago so it's very good no I don't know anything about it

I didn't know I mean I know there's a race going there it's too bad and what can I say I have nothing to do with it I I didn't know about it but I know enough not to be accused of having Alzheimer's

or maybe he has CTE I have I know I know what day it is and so but I didn't do anything with Donald did you eat these cookies nothing to do do with me. Cookies? I know cookies exist. So I'm not

I don't have a medical problem but did I eat them? No. Obviously, he doesn't want to Or he didn't truth those out. We've been speculating a lot about who's really behind some of his truth thing

posting. I don't think that he wrote those without a duck because they're not rambling fun. Or about him. But I think about the ballroom. But he, I am quite sure he signed off on it. And I'm quite sure, because there's no way that if he didn't sign off on it, someone be in big, big trouble right now. This is why he signed off on it. Who is this? Lee Wams and Gans? She's a little, a little old for me. Okay, I'll sign off. Complete and total endorsement. New York 9, Texas 10,

She looks really smart. So I'm sure he signed off. I'm sure he was aware of it. But I doubt he wrote the actual truth social. Here is the Democrat. Taylor Remit has not elected a Democrat in 25 years. 25 years. Thank you so much for being involved.

helping with this campaign. Tonight, this win goes to everyday working people. So that's pretty good. Both encouraging from a perspective of what it could mean for the midterms and also encouraging because we have another example of a union left-oriented populist. winning now in any blood-red state. Not just Manhattan now.

Huh. Yeah. It wasn't just the commies in Brooklyn. Yeah. And we'll see how Graham Platner does, but we got some fundraising totals. It's at Fort Worth commie corridor that got this guy elected. Exactly. Yeah.

It's almost like it's motivated reasoning when the Democrats tell us that this kind of politics doesn't actually work in other parts of the country. All of like Larry Summers' friends and those people tell us this can't work. Yeah. More like text. Marks. Yeah. Take that. Do you think, I mean, this is just an aside, but do you think near a Tandon scrolls through

the Epstein files looking for people to appoint to the Board of Center for American Progress? Crazy. Which is funny because she accused me of working for Steve Bannon or sounding like Steve Bannon because I criticize the Democrats. And it turns out Steve Bannon's much closer to the Neartan circle than to ours. Maybe we'll ask Brace Beldon that question in a moment. But the only other thing to think about it to is that every time there's an indication that Republicans are going to get destroyed in the midterm elections, these rats are feeling even more cornered. And so they're going to move even quicker with their agenda.

And they're going to go even harder at attempting to figure out ways of somehow derail. this midterm election. We'll talk more about that, obviously, in the later in the show, and in the coming days and weeks and months. In a moment, Brace Bellden co-hosts of the True and On podcast to talk about this massive trove of stuff

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comfortable saying we're all fans that have watched the show or listen to the show uh so it's a real pleasure to have you here uh thanks for joining us uh you guys start started your show basically around the Epstein files, what, like six, now, seven years ago, maybe? What is so enticing about the Epstein story? There's a couple, well, they're not caveats. But there's a two things I need to get out of the way first. Sure. The show is called Truonanon, and we named it that because it was sort of a,

send up because you know this was during uh we started the show in 2019 it was all like the pizza gate the qanon stuff and my firm advice anyone out there was ever going to name anything no puns no but don't do it and no time this show was supposed to be sort of a joke i know but majority report you're not thinking minority report you know which i maybe it was a lot of people do no it was not after the minority report but a lot of people would call it that but nevertheless go but it works It works without puns in mind. Truenon, I think, has become increasingly difficult when I meet people to explain to them the genesis of the name.

And so sometimes I just, hell, maybe I'll start saying I do the majority report. But we started the show sort of as a, I don't know what. Me and my friend Liz, the coach of the show, were just talking about the Epstein stuff a lot. And then he got arrested and then died in jail. and we did not really intend for it to be a long-term thing, but it sort of just became one. We talked a lot about Epstein in the beginning,

and we've covered it a lot over the years, but we talk about a lot more than that. However, we definitely got our, I have read a lot of stuff over the years and talked to a lot of different people, and boy, I could not have predicted that it would turn into what it's turning into right now. Well, I'm, I'm, I would say that like, I don't, I didn't think I was interested in it until obviously his death in prison. And of course, then you start to like, you know, there's a lot of liberal messaging that kind of teaches you not to be that conspiratorial or think about things in this manner. When you're, and that facade, I guess, has broken a lot for me, especially when you see these emails and you see the extent of how connected he was.

like I'm back to the beginning of your show like uh cuanon and that whole phenomenon i'm curious if you look back on that in a very different manner here given the revelations that we've had like the extent of steve bannon's relationship with geoffrey epstein makes me think about that time period very differently i think about how you know obviously trump went on the offensive against Hillary Clinton and brought Bill Clinton's accusers of a sexual assault to the second debate and that they were both kind of embroiled in the Epstein scandal. And it's like Trump went on the offense on that and tied the Democrats to that with the Pizza Gate conspiracy and all of that.

But now you're seeing that Trump was even maybe more connected than Clinton himself. So the question is, is like, was Pizza Gate a psychological operation basically? that the Republicans engaged in. You know, it's interesting. I have kind of had suspicions about the Pizza Gate QAnon stuff from the beginning because it was pushed by certain people in Trump world a lot. I'm thinking about Jack Posobiac and Steve Bannon, of course. The Steve Bannon thing, I think, is really interesting.

It's hard to know how much of his, like, bullshit mythos to buy and how much is him kind of, like, putting up a front of how, like, he's this Machia, valiant character. But to see how much he was kind of pushing that angle of stuff or that sphere of stuff, sometimes a little subtly and then sometimes much less subtly. And then to have these revelation after revelation or document after document come out of him coordinating with Jeffrey Epstein, not only about Jeffrey Epstein's reputation rehabilitation, but also about things that are going on in Trump world in the government and things

are going on with Steve Bannon's sort of like international dealings. At one point, it seems like him and Epstein are coordinating meetings with Sebastian Kurz, the prime minister of Austria. You know, there's a sort of a lot of rumor trading and information trading about what's happening in the Trump White House or within like sort of Trump land in general too. You know, it is hard. And then I haven't actually looked into this part yet from the new Epstein documents, but it is kind of crazy in this sort of like,

I don't know what kind of way, maybe even in a new way, to see that Epstein himself was meeting with, with the guy who founded 4chan at one point in like 2014. I got to be honest with you guys. I've never used 4chan. I don't, I don't, I hope I never will. I'm priced on 36.

But that's where QAnon came out of 4chan. I mean, this is just where I want to emphasize this. Like the fact, that that the Republicans were quite aware in the Trump administration or Trump campaign was quite aware that this was a conspiracy theory that was brewing. They co-opted it effectively for years and years to be just about Democrats and used it to their advantage. And now we see that of course he was just as embroiled in it. So it's they were quite successful, it seems like, in deflecting and and I don't know. I mean, I just wonder how far back it goes. No, I'm

I'm with you on that. And it is interesting about the Bill Clinton stuff, right? In that Bill Clinton had, and we sort of have a shape of his involvement with Epstein, you know, it took place over like what, like six or seven, eight years, a little bit when Clinton was in the White House and then definitely some afterwards. Trump and Epstein had from all appearances a pretty similar relationship where they hung out, you know, Epstein flew on the Lolita or excuse me, Trump rather, flew on the Lolita Express. seemingly, you know, there's pictures of Bill Clinton meeting some of Epstein's young ladies during the trip to Africa. There's now, you know, it looks like quite a lot of evidence that Trump had met and it certainly was aware of Epstein's recruiting from Mara Lago. The funny thing about this, though, is that like Trump is able to, and also like, you know, Juanita Broderick, I think the one we were talking about who was brought to the State of the Union. was the State of the Union or whatever was brought yeah the debate the debate yes yeah yeah you know obviously Trump has also been accused of sexual assault uh by multiple people at this point um you know

there's there's a lot of mirrors in uh in their relationship with with geoffrey epstein but i think the big difference is is this was really popular on the right and this was i mean talking about jack posebix you know it's a little less so Steve bannon I mean this was something that was hammered over and over and over and over again that Jeffrey Epstein was like a uniquely Democrat sort of I don't know what problem. And I mean, it's, it's, and he was friends with quite a few Democratic politicians and donors, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. But I think especially from the ban and stuff and like the Ehud Barak stuff, although he is, I guess, on the liberal side of, uh, of Israeli politics, um, uh, you know,

compared to, uh, compared to Netanyahu or I guess in the Israeli context. You know, he doesn't really have, I would say Epstein is relatively nonpartisan in many ways. And certainly, I mean, his relationship with Bannon shows he is really willing to be friends with anyone. And he sort of cheers on Bannon's European exploits and seeks to help him whatever he can. I maybe we should, well, I guess the only other question to talk about this. And then I want to go back and get into this sort of trove and where that takes us. But how much of the idea of, you know, that, I mean, sort of teasing out Emma's the potential theory that this was a sci-op. I mean, in the sense, you know, in the sense that like, you know, we know that one of like sort of long-term, I think,

sort of conservative tactics is to attack people at your own weakness. and attack their strength, et cetera, et cetera. And how much of the idea that, you know, Donald Trump is coming in, according to QAnon, to clean up the very thing that he is about as much of a part of is really anybody, short of Epstein. How much of it also, I think the fact that QAnon, and this gets to Emma's point about conspiracy. The fact that Q&M was harping on this, in many respects, sort of acts as, you know, classic rat F, which is you have, you do a limited hangout essentially with a untrustworthy narrator that everybody agrees is untrustworthy. And then what is released, that whole story

becomes fanciful and too fantastic and fabulous. And we're not going to believe it. But now we're looking at this and it's like, I don't know if there was a network of child trafficking, you know, throughout, but it sort of sort of looks like it. And certainly, like, I don't, like, who's missing from the list of people who were powerful over the past 20 years from that list, you know, outside of like maybe some celebrity stars. But in terms of politics, like, everybody seems to be there, you know, short of like Robert Rubin, I guess. And but, so what, what is your sense of that? Like what how much of what you know, I don't know how much of this was out there as a way of just sort of like making any stories about this stuff seem ludicrous. Well, I think it doesn't help in that Q and on.

I mean, Q&O was so fucking excuse me. I don't know if I'm allowed to swear. It was so was so crazy that I think it kind of like infected not only the way like a lot of right wing people think about stuff where they're willing to believe. literally anything. I mean, it's, it's, there's, there's, I think there's a lot of, um, conspiratorial thinking going around, but like, I mean, some of the stuff that I've talked to Republicans about, I mean, it's just, it defies belief that you could believe in these things and still go about your day to day life. Um, but, uh, but also it, it serves to sort

of make everything seem pretty absurd. And there's so much kind of like fake stuff out there about the Epstein stuff. Um, and it's, it's, it's, And so many kind of unreliable people who, especially like Pesobiac or any of these people who are sort of like given that that binder by Pam Bondi at the beginning of the second Trump administration, that kind of, that have added so many layers of just bullshit to all of this that it makes it hard for, I think, the layperson to parse through what's real and what's not because they've been giving so much information that and some of it's true, some it's fake, but it's all kind of like blurred together. on social media where like really lurid stuff and like I'm talking about some of the stuff that's like in the FBI tips that that that were just put out in this new stuff. And then some of that is like which is like clearly not true is mixed in with stuff that like does seem to be true. And you know what what it's I think what I've sort of been interested in is I never thought

that like Epstein was trafficking girls over email, although it looks like in the case of Jess Daly that might have been the case. And there are sort of some oblique references, certainly in the message notepads taken from his house in Palm Beach in the original investigation, there definitely seems to be some references, especially the phone calls from John Luke Brunel. But what's more is Epstein's sort of place in the international business world. I think what we're almost beyond any of the trafficking stuff, really what that's what we're learning from these new Toronto.

is he was so enmeshed in these worlds. And, you know, I just want to take an example. And that's just because I was looking at this right before we, we went on right here, is Elon Musk, right? You know, in 2012, it looks like he's, he's according to emails, and God knows what other messaging was used. And, of course, you know, there's phone calls and things like that obviously are not recorded here. but he's having lunch with Elon Musk and Boris Nicolik, which was like Bill Gates sort of secondhand man who introduced him to Jeffrey Epstein. And within a month, he's hanging out with them again and Nicholas Pritzker.

And they're introducing Kimball Musk, Elon's brother in the mix. And then a month later, Jeffrey Epstein appears to arrange a relationship between Kimball Musk's, Elon's brother, who's on the board of Tesla and all these things, I'll just kind of like a little bit of a loser brother to a woman that that Kimball Must gets in a relationship with. Shortly after that, Elon's asking about partying in St. Barth and Epstein Island. And it does, I have to say, appear that Jeffrey Epstein and Elon Musk, two of the worst emailers of all time. Elon does not really seem to understand what Jeffrey Epstein is offering. And I have to-

The coded language. He's, because at one point, Epstein's like, I don't know if your wife's going to like the ratio. He's like, my wife doesn't mind the ratio. And, but it doesn't appear that Elon did go to the island in 2012, 2013 when those emails are from. Although I think that they might have partied on St. Barth's. I don't know.

But then shortly after that, Elon Musk is arranging a private tour of SpaceX in Southern California for not only Jeffrey Epstein, but three other women that Jeffrey Eppstein. Epstein brings. And then according to some schedules that are in there, and this, this I can't say for sure, but Elon had just moved to Belair. And Epstein's schedule for the day shows that he's going to Belair with the girls and Elon afterwards. And so that's just like, and then later, both the girl and Kimball are emailing Elon for, for, excuse me, are emailing Jeffrey Epstein for advice in their relationship. And so, like, that's just like a small nugget of how enmesh he was with this people. Remember, this is years after he got out of jail for his conviction.

There's been a million New York Post articles. If you are a wealthy guy, your secretary should be like, actually maybe don't hang out with the convicted pedophile guy. That is not stopping a single person it looks like from hanging out with him. Well, and I want to get into that, like, sort of, you know, we saw an exchange with him with Larry Summers in the last trove. That was also sort of very similar, like, you know, like you would talk to like your, you know, he was a senior. when I was a freshman in high school. And so I've asked you, you know, it's like a scene out of like fast times at Ridgemont High where the guy's like, you know, you always play this song from Led Zeppelin.

But before we get there, like let's talk about specifically like what's in this trove so far about Trump. Because it is hard for me to discern from just like looking on Twitter because I'm not there enough to sort of like pick out like, is this real? Because then I go to the, you know, the times. And most of the stories in the, um, the media, like, they seem to not want to get near this stuff too in the same way that like, uh, this is sort of QAnani. And very little seems to be reported there. Like I am almost to the point where, you know, as I go through the news, think they put those pictures of victims in and they didn't redact the names of those victims just as a way so

that that would be the headlines as opposed to other things that are in there that are obviously it's material. It's obviously, I mean, I'm sure it has value in terms of like keeping people quiet. But, you know, once your name is out there and once your pictures are out there, you sort of like, what's, you know, it's all. Well, they're worried about worse. I mean, they think they might get. killed by these people and they have reason to believe that.

Fair, fair. But I also think there was a certain value in terms of media like it's much safer for the New York Times to report this DOJ is completely inept and they're bungling versus, hey, there is a sworn testimony. I mean, Ruben McGiago tweeted out, this is sworn testimony from accuser of Donald Trump of, like, heinous things. And I'm looking around like in the times and it's as if it's not there. I just, what's your take on that?

Well, so I actually, I have not looked at the new Trump stuff. I mean, there's millions of documents and I was also out of town when they drove. I was in Minneapolis when they dropped. We're not accepting any excuses. I'm sorry. I'll get right to it. But, but there's a pattern that has definitely. been established with Trump's relationship to this stuff. Now, Trump has actually himself been

significantly more cautious about directly bringing up Epstein and especially about the release of any documents. And like, you know, I'm sure you guys covered this, but like, you know, him, him pressuring people to, to not sign on the discharge petition to get these released. J.D. Vance was out there saying, oh, you know, we need to release the documents during the, during the election, Trump was much more cautious and had to be sort of walked into it by reporters

on the two occasions that he talked about it. He has since lied multiple times about his involvement. Obviously, he's still, I don't know if he's still suing Rupert Murdoch over the Wall Street Journal printing that letter from the birthday book. I don't know if he dropped that suit

now that the letter has been released by Congress. But he's denying, denying, denying, denying. And then it comes out more that it certainly people were aware, and it seems like he himself were aware, that Epstein was recruiting very young teenage girl, at least one very young teenage girl employee from Mar-a-Lago, and Trump really didn't do anything about it, that Trump might have been at the house at Epstein's mansion in Florida while there were teenage girls there. You know, it seems like, I don't know if Trump was involved more directly in anything, but at the very,

very least he was turning a blind eye to it, which in, I feel like in normal times or normal presidency would be huge. I mean, that would be a huge story. Well, it's presumed to be Virginia Jufre, right? I mean, she was trafficked from Mar-a-Lago. She died in Australia, I believe was the first like kind of public victim to come out in this manner. But I mean, there's a, in the files that released, there are a bunch of different, like, accusations. There are complaints that are from anonymous tips where it's difficult to discern, but we should say with all of those caveats, one of the complaints included someone saying that Trump got oral sex from a 13-year-old and then hit her when she bit him.

And then that was deleted from the DOJ. Well, we should be clear. There's a difference between accusations and tips and sworn testimony. obviously one is subject to perjury, the other. And also in terms of like what would be anticipated released, because if it is just a tip line, that is highly inappropriate to, but if it's sworn testimony, it's a different, it's, it's more appropriate to release that type of thing. Is that right? I was sort of surprised. I mean, the whole thing is actually totally unprecedented, to be honest.

I actually cannot think of another time in history when, you know, at Jeffrey Epstein obviously was convicted, or he made a plea deal, actually, in 2008. He was not convicted this second time. I mean, obviously, Gileane Maxwell was, and some of these files are from her case. But, like, it's kind of fucking crazy that they released just, like, everything from these files,

or not everything. We don't know. But they released. Isn't it the estate also had to waive, like, any type? of because it seems to me the estate would have would have been able to say like you're not allowed to do that i have i have no i mean that's the thing is i have no idea how this is even logistically possible but i mean obviously they've they've i mean there's been some reporting that they've had like hundreds of people working overtime to censor stuff and so you can see some stuff is actually redacted and then they'll release the same email with it unredacted so it's been released like you were saying the new york tizer port it has it has been

released in this sort of haphazard manner but like i i i you know that them putting up the tip line stuff and then taking it down, it's like, that was mystifying to me because, A, yeah, I think it's, it's kind of crazy to put tip line stuff up there in the first place. But B, taking it down just makes you look so much worse. And also one of the tips in there included this detail about these Alexander brothers who are currently on trial for sex trafficking and have been accused by dozens of women of rape. And that tip line, it's a separate tip, but that would have been years and years ago. And I feel like it adds credibility to some of the statements here because it's only public in 2024, 2025 that these guys were running sex trafficking, rape ring.

And they were accused years and years ago. So my point is, like, we don't know which tips are true and which aren't. It's unprecedented for them to be released in this manner. But there is a level of consistency in terms of the accusation. But the problem is you release that tip. And if I'm the defense attorney for those guys, mistrial, done. Like, you know, the fact that that other information could have been made public by the DOJ, that actually helps the defense. In that particular case. I mean, just I'm specifically talking about just like the files in and of themselves.

And there's a consistent pattern. I don't know. So it's stuff. Go ahead. Oh, sorry. I don't mean to interrupt. But I do think it's interesting that the DOJ and I think even written within into the law has said that anything related to an ongoing investigation. or to persons of interest is not going to be released.

Now, we don't know. I don't think they're even, I think that they have to legally, I should have the law in front of me, but whatever. I remember this. I think legally, they have to give reasons for not releasing documents.

I don't know if they have to say how many they're releasing or like what in general that those contain. But we don't know if these are all the documents. Certainly they release. what they said was all of them and then it turns out there's millions more and some of these in fact almost all not all of them but a lot of the ones that i've seen i can think of no reason why they wouldn't have released these in the previous dump of documents um i mean it's just it's it's some of them are just like continuations of other ones um and uh and yeah i think that like i do i am skeptical

that they would release anything that would really damage trump considering like in a in a legal way considering this, which is that that Pam Bondi, and it seems like DOJ is directive, and Trump has been very active in, in, in, in, management of the DOJ has, has, has, the number one priority has been to do damage control for Trump. And like, and to make sure that, like, this stuff does not get to him. And so there was, there was some reporting on Trump being alerted or like a report being prepared for him about his mentions in the files when they were originally being looked at. And I, I am skeptical. that the DOJ would release documents that could be legally actionable. Really, I mean, there's definitely some stuff in here that seems legally actionable against other people, but against Trump, I doubt it.

I mean, that's that Pam Bondi is, she is not known for her legal acumen or for her, I guess acumen in general. She's known for her loyalty. And I think that that's coming primary with this stuff. And we should also say, like, there is a real sort of like mechanical competence issue about stuff like this. You have people in the U.S. Attorney's Office in New York City who could go into the, could walk across the street and go into private practice making millions who are now doing document review, which is basically like the first job that you get when you go to any law firm.

I mean, they're in there, and it is miserable. And the idea of, like, people at one point just going like, I don't give a shit about this and just sort of like putting stuff in a pile, that's a very real possibility. And particularly if they know, well, if it has to do with Trump, I can get in big trouble. But this stuff about Bill Gates or Larry Summers or even Lutnik, let's talk about Howard Lutnik, because I find this fascinating. We played a clip, this, let's play this clip. Just a clip of that clip.

I don't know. It was like a couple of months ago about Howard Lutnik talking about when he met the one time, he met Jeffrey Epstein who lived next door to him. And he was just. This New York Post reporter was like buttering him up, played him like a fiddle. And he got a little too comfortable. Well, no. That's what we thought at the time.

But this, the revelations now sort of put that into a different light. Go ahead. I say to him, massage table in the middle of your house. How often you have a massage? And he says, every day. And then he like gets like weirdly close to me. And he says, and the right kind of massage. Now my wife is standing here.

So she looks at me and I look at her and we say, I'm sorry. We have to go. and we left. And in the six or eight steps it takes to get from his house to my house, my wife and I decided that I will never be in the room with that disgusting person ever again. Okay. As long as my wife is there too. Right.

And at the time, we're like, oh, Lutnik went way out of bounds because he really left Trump out to pass here. but now we see in this revelation this is Mike Baker from the New York Times that Ludnik that include an email from Ludnik about bringing his family and others to visit Epstein at his private island Little St. James. So he said that was 2005, right? And then 2012 was when this email was from. 2005 is before 2012. Yes. Yes. Okay. All right. Thank you for the, that's a math problem. and Lutnik, Rachel in the phone said he could not comment because he had not seen the documents

and claimed that he spent zero time with Epstein and then hung up. I mean, so he spent even less time than he had been before. Go to the fifth slide, too, because it can, here we go. But it does suggest, so he's denying, even though he emailed him about wanting to go to the island, he's denying that it ever happened. But there is a message from Epstein's assistant forwarded Lutnik a message. message from Epstein, nice seeing you. So there's very little plausible

deniability there for Ludnik. I'll tell you, when he was telling that story, it's not, listen, and this is, I'm going to get a little more advice to the audience. If you're Jewish out there, we can't be talking like this right now. We can't be doing the Jew voice,

doing your New York post interview. We have to be doing, we have to be talking a little more like this right now. Because because we've been, we've been really fucking our reputation up. And so it's just guys, let's... But, but I don't know why

he thought, these people are stupid. If I was like, oh, yeah, I was hanging out with Jeffrey Epstein a little bit. I'm not, maybe you do the New York Post Damage Control thing, you'd be like, I was on, you know what? I was on antidepressants back then, and I thought, you know, sometimes you kill people when you're on those. You know, I just was like, maybe I'll just be not depressed and hang out with this guy.

and and it's having an email that's like awesome see when can I come to the when can I come to the island we're going to bring my fucking 12 year old to the island uh and then um then in the nice scene you think it's like these people are lying and they're caught lying but I think that unfortunately nothing really happens to them and so if you remember trump term one Alex Acosta had to resign from being labor secretary because he oversaw this plea deal they're all I mean, which is obviously a very egregious instance of, of, of, of, of this kind of stuff happening. But now I feel like things have changed so much that you could be on the plane with Jeffrey Epstein. I mean, Peter Mandelson was like one of his best friends.

It was proven. He was the fucking, he was the fucking ambassador to from the UK to the US until like five months ago. You know, it's, it's like, it is just, he resigned from the Labor Party yesterday. I mean, it is just, it is, it is, I think a lot of these, the, the bar for actually getting into trouble and for trouble actually mattering, I think has been either lowered or raised. Well, it's impossible to get fired from the Trump administration in this iteration. Yes. For scandal. It's impossible. We've prune it. I mean, there's no, there is no scandal. They understand that, um, all it does is give Trump more leverage over these people.

and commands their loyalty more. I don't think it was a coincidence that on Friday, Lutnik is sitting in, you know, next to Trump in the cabinet thing going, this country is so much better because of your great powers and policy. I mean, literally. Do you think it's a coincidence that this came out too? No, no, no. Because if Trump saw that post interview and goes,

you're going to throw me under the bus, this is the directive. I mean, all of that stuff like about, I mean, Elon? Elon. Why do all that stuff come about out about Elon and Lutnik? These were two guys close to Trump that threw him under the bus

about the Epstein files. Is that not true? It's crazy. And Elon's thing is Elon is the same thing with Lutnik. Elon directly lied, and SpaceX directly lied multiple times when he denied

the allegation, which was like, was sort of reported on by anonymous sources, I believe the business insider, that Jeffrey Epstein had received a private tour is SpaceX. Elon says, I don't know what you're talking about. This never happened.

You know, he sort of makes mention of like having met Epstein a couple times, but of course he was really grossed out by him. It is 100%. I mean, this is, I don't know how so you can interpret these emails. There's no alternative explanation. But they just are lying because not only that, I think a lot of the MAGA base, there's some people who are like mad about this, but I think in the long run, this is not going to be something, and I could be wrong. Let's maybe I am. Maybe I or maybe I will be. But, uh, but I don't think that this is going to actually like if you love Elon Musk in 2026, your brain is there's something. I mean, it's like, well, I don't even know why would this bother you? You know, like, well, people are locked in. I mean, I think at the end of the day, this doesn't, this doesn't really impact that 30, 35 percent

that will always support Donald Trump. It does not matter whatsoever. As far as, they're concerned. This is like the perfect honeypot and it's going to he's going to be able to roll up everything and change the world. Trump was, Trump knew it was happening, but he's a white hat and he was, he was actually catching them so that he would be president. Of course. And then he could later release it and then Reid Hoffman goes down. But I think, I think, I think what it is going to do is it may, there may be a couple of people. I mean, honestly, like literally a couple, but maybe one of them is just a congressperson or something like this. I mean, it's going to impact few. But I think the other, the real stuff that's going to come out about this is really more like near a tendon has a lot more

a lot more troubles on her plate today than she did a week ago and more a week ago than she did six months ago in terms of like, you know, the water she swims in. Let's talk about also this, Larry Summers is in an email, this time not asking for advice as to like what color sweater he should wear when he goes out with some 19-year-old or something. But it's about like the Pope. The Pope? Yes. Have you not seen this one? Because this is, I was asking, I wanted to ask you about this because I don't know.

He writes in 2013, the most important change in the Vatican may not be Pope Benedict's, sudden retirement, but the change in leadership at the Institute for Works of Religion, the Vatican's Bank, because of the Vatican status as a sovereign country, it's exempt from transparency rules not only of Italy but of the European Union. This status allows its elite clients to evade any scrutiny in their money transfers. Last May, Vatican Bank President Atorogati, Tedeschi, was fired after Italian authorities opened an investigation into a far-flung bribery scheme, which he was allegedly involved. There were then 47 dossiers, including compromising about internal enemies of his

in the Vatican were found in the search of his home. They had instructions that how they were used this case if something happened to him. I mean, on and on, it sounds like maybe the Vatican's bank was involved in some type of money laundering scheme. Well, I know that that would bring to. That's from Epstein to Larry Summers. Yes. Yes. I set it up the other way.

Oh, I'm sorry. Yes. forgive me. And so this is, like, it's unclear like why Epstein's even bringing this up to Larry Summers as if like if it's like some backdoor tip or if it's just sort of like trying to give Epstein information so that Epstein is in a position to get, I mean, Summers is in a situation to give Epstein. But it's also like in and of itself is an interesting story that I'm not sure we heard about.

Yeah, yeah, it is. I mean, Institute for Works and Religion, it's Institute for Works and Religion, right? What's it? For works of religion. Works of religion. Excuse me. Which is money.

Actually, not. That's an interesting one. But they were the main shareholders, of course, in Banco and Brugiano, who's, I believe, President Roberto Calvini. Was it Roberto. So Roberto Calvi, how am I forgetting this? Roberto Calvi caused a lot of trouble in Italy in the 1980s, but it was sort of a nexus between the mafia,

between elements of CIA stay behind organizations and terrorist organizations, black terror they would call it, it's like fascist terrorist organizations, and of course the Catholic Church in the 1980s. The Catholic banking stuff is really interesting. interesting because you're right, it is a sovereign country. And also their income is, comes to them in strange ways. And there's very little, there's very little transparency there there and not a lot of people willing to talk. And also it is, I mean, it is located in Italy,

obviously in the Vatican. Although, I don't know if the bank is in the Vatican. Bank is, it's not very big. But it's crazy. Like they really, I mean, all the stuff with the Gulf, We did not know about that prior to this stuff. I mean, you know, Epstein, one of his best friends is the chairman of DP world. You know, you have his involvement with people in, well, the diplomatic establishment. But then, like, yeah, you have him, like the international diplomatic establishment. But, like, you have, you have him seen as somebody to confide this stuff. to and like as someone who if you give him this information he knows who to give the information

to or how to connect you with people that you can utilize whatever information that you have. So like you actually really do see Epstein's strength as a connector come through here in a lot of the emails. Well it's interesting because I was doing a little revisiting. I rewatch the the peacock documentary on Galane Maxwell. People want to watch that has a lot of really good information in there. One of them being that her father, Robert Maxwell, was both heavily involved in the KGB and heavily involved in Israeli intelligence. He got a state funeral in Israel. And then you see how he was really involved in arms trading.

And then Epstein comes along. And he fills a very similar role in the Maxwell Circle with his daughter Galane. And he was involved in arms trading too. And obviously clearly some weird financial dealings, but also intelligence. And then, of course, the sex trafficking. was his trade too. And then you have this 2020 confidential FBI

source email that comes out in this which says the FBI source claimed in one of these files one that Trump was quote compromised by Israel. The other is that Alan Dershowitz was the one apparent who they claim Dershowitz was working for Mossad and that Dershowitz was the one

to tell Alex Acosta that Epstein belonged to intelligence and to leave it alone. Now this is an F, I think that the confidential FBI source or the informant, whoever is working for them, that's a step above, of course, this tip line. So I'm curious about your take on that because we've talked about this around the office a lot. You know, it's not like he worked directly from Assad. He worked on the behalf of other government interests as well.

He's almost like a spy for hire at the highest level for a variety of different governments. But obviously the Israeli connection is significant. Well, so I saw, and I have not confirmed. this myself. But I saw a couple people claim that that confidential source was none other than Chuck Johnson, who is, I believe, currently incarcerated. I think he's about to get out. But yes, I saw that same claim that Chuck Johnson was the source of that.

It would line up a little bit with it being Johnson, and especially because Johnson loves betraying his friends. And of course, he was very good friends with Alan. Dershowitz, which is, can you imagine being a while? He worked for him or something, didn't he? Certainly did, yeah, and I think retained a pretty good relationship with him afterwards. I actually just saw a video of somebody talking to Johnson's parents on the street outside the courthouse in Texas, whereas dad claims he was also good friends with Benjamin Netanyahu

as well, which is, can you have, what a, what a trio. Dersh, Johnson, and Ben? Oh, my God. but uh but i can kind of see see it being johnson um i does that make it more or less credible i mean also the email from epstein saying i'm not masad winky face i mean a little bit the the the the basic fact stands is that like epstein's like straight up business partner was ehud barak now Ehud Barak is, I don't know if I had a one word description for him. I would be Mossad, but probably, I guess, would be Israeli prime minister, which is not one word, but it's a series of words that give one idea, which is the same thing.

But he obviously, like many Israeli leaders, came up via the IDF. He was military intelligence. I believe he was head of intelligence for a while. And a lot of the things that he and Jeffrey Epstein work on are intelligence-related matters. And I'm not talking about just like just spy stuff, although they do talk about. is investing in spyware. In fact, it just came, I believe, Ryan Grim found this,

because there's some audio that Epstein, I guess, recorded of his calls with Ehud Barak, which is very interesting, where he actually, I believe in 2014, tells Barack about Palantir. And he informs him about what it is, which is not even to get into Jeffrey's relationship with one Peter Thiel

who is only escaping this because he is very famously gay, because he very famously, his ex-boyfriend did die by mysteriously falling out of a window of a, I'm sure, sumptuously, lavishly appointed apartment in, I believe, Miami. And we're going to have to say, you know what, I'm basing this on nothing, brickle. And so it's got to be. But they are, I mean, Epstein's business partner was the former head of his early intelligence, you know.

Epstein at one point in the emails to Bannon implies that Ehou-Barrack's political comeback in Israel when Barack made a somewhat aborted attempt to be prime minister again was Epstein was involved in that or he implies that he was involved in that. He's like, this is what I've been doing. He says to Steve Bannon. It doesn't say exactly that.

But in so many words, you know, it is, this is a guy. I mean, he's, there's, there's, a friend sent me. some stuff last night. I guess he's arranging meetings with Bill Burns. I believe Peter Teal too. I mean, this is a guy who is, I mean, these are not Bill Burns, former CIA

director from, when was this? The Bush years? No, no, no, no. It was I think he was Obama's, right? Yeah. Oh, yeah, William Burns. Oh, he was a Biden CIA director. Oh, Biden.

Of course. No, he was deputy secretary of state under Biden. Excuse me, under Obama. Duh. And then packs up for Hillary and John Kerry. No. But, but he, yeah, it's, you know, Epstein is really serving as a guy that you go to when you want to get things done. And especially when you want to get things done internationally with money and with women.

That's who sent me the text last night with, with, But, you know, that is, I mean, I don't know, whatever you want to call that, that's what he was doing, you know. I mean, there's, it's, there's no ambivalence of it. There's no, like, you know, wiggle room about it. I mean, he was somebody who served at the nexus of these very powerful people in the diplomatic world, in the financial world, and in the military, or military intelligence world. And the Barack thing, I think, is really just so... I mean, when we know more about that, too, because Ehou-Berach's emails got hacked, and so we can see sort of not just the conversations that Epstein was involved with,

but conversations he was having around that stuff, which actually gives us a much better view. Epstein's emails, and people need to remember, too, that, like, not everything Jeffrey Epstein did is going to be in his emails. And so people will be like... And a lot of times, he's talking to Barack, and these guys email, like, nuts. But he's talking to Barack or he's talking to Bannon and something sensitive comes up and he'll say, not for email. Yeah, call me, not for email. And there's a reason for that, you know.

I mean, that's not because he was trying to explain complicated things. He definitely, nothing stopped him from very poorly and grammatically, uniquely trying to explain complicated subjects to people over emails or text messages. He did it all the time. It's clearly about sensitive things that he wouldn't email or text. about what i also found interesting too was uh there was he was outlining the whole bill gate story and uh where uh bill gates allegedly you know he was procuring prostitute or bill gates had gotten according to what epstein wrote to himself yes i want to make this clear um uh bill gates was had gotten a venereal disease from uh from a prostitute and he wanted to know

how he could slip antibiotics into his wife's drink or something like that to get antibiotics, surreptitiously give his wife antibiotics. So he wouldn't have to reveal to her that he had given her a SDD. Now, we should say this is, this is, this is Epstein memorializing the conversation that he had with Gates or allegedly memorializing the conversation he had with Gates. Now, to do this as a practice is a very strange. I mean, it's like, this is the thing that if you are like famously Comey did this when he went in to meet with Trump, as soon as he got out, he wrote up the thing.

I mean, this is what you do if you are in a, you know, sensitive positions. And you want to make sure that when in the course of your work, you don't get in trouble. And so you send yourself an email and that in any type of legal proceeding functions as evidence. It's not, you know, perfect evidence, but it falls on the side of trying to prove something that you contemporaneously emailed to somebody else or to yourself. Like, what's going on here? Like what is Jeffrey Epstein? Is it like, like, what is the purpose of this for him to remind himself about the conversation he had? with Bill Gates so in the future

he can use like he knows how Bill Gates works or what is going on. It looks like a draft to Bill and he's writing it to Gates. No, no. He's writing this to him. I know, but it's direct, go to the beginning. It's dear Bill. So he's writing it to himself. It's like a draft

almost letters. You know when you're really pissed off at somebody and you want to write him a text message and you're like, hold on, I'm too hot right now. Yes. I'll draft the motherfucker. I'll write it in the notes app. And then tomorrow I'll just delete it and write. All good, man.

Yeah, right. I do, you know, there is some serious reporting about Epstein, maybe trying to blackmail Bill Gates over his relationship with a young bridge player. Bill and Melinda split after some of the Epstein stuff came out. I think she has used that a little bit cynically because clearly she knew about that stuff, but it only became a big deal when. Okay, Brace.

Cool. with the anti-feminism here. Well, I'm not saying we love Mel. We call her Mel. Around my house. We love Mel G. But I do think, I do kind of wonder if she found out about the cheating via this. I feel like several, several of our nation's most treasured ancient wives found out that their husbands were stepping out on them via Jeffrey Epstein document dumps.

I mean, Larry Summers' wife, obviously must have as well. But Epstein was... Giant minority owner, Steve Tish. Yeah, exactly. Jessica. No, you must protect him. But, uh, but, but, uh, you know, it's, I do think that Epstein was up to something weird with Bill Gates. I mean, that is, that is without a doubt.

His like, Bill Gates guy, Boris Nicklick was like, is, has, his name appears in more Epstein emails than I've seen anybody else's. They were really involved in shit. They were trying to get builds of. fund a fund that they were doing with maybe Kimball Musk, Elon Musk, uh, and, well,

this is him trying to shake him down in this email to a degree or like drafting it here where he says like, you know, I'm there, uh, where he talks about this 30 to 40 percent. He said in that regard, I suggest,

uh, yeah, basically, you know, he was saying, if you were so cruel to me and if you were a better friend, uh, in that,

uh, I suggest I buy you the house so that you have your heart set on in addition to five years, severance will buy you out of the investment contract we had agreed 30 to 40% of a hundred million dollar partnership for 30 million dollars in today's dollars terms and conditions to be agreed that is what i would have done if i had been in your shoes what i did receive however was an unfriendly strongly ordered email telling me how employable i am and that i should not look to you for any significant financial help in the future and that is when he lists that accusation and talks about the the

STD and Melinda, but but is that not him saying pay me $30 million? It does. It sure sounds like you're like standing up in the middle of a restaurant going like, hey, I'm not going to tell anyone about the time that you told me about your STDs. Yes. Yeah. I'm going to keep that completely to myself, even though you wanted to secretly give antibiotics to your wife who is in the bathroom right now. And when the yeast infection shows up and she blames herself, Bill? Are you going to sit there tight-lipped? Yeah, it is, it is, it is, it is, uh, crazy, basically.

I don't know. I need to look at more of the emails too because there seems to be, I was like, really enmeshed in this this morning. At one point, Boris Nicolik is setting up this fund. It's like a technology, life sciences fund, um, with, what's this, what's his fucking name? It's the guy who owns VK, like the Russian

like social media website but he's like is an Israeli Russian billionaire and he doesn't own it outright but he owns I think a majority share in it. What is it? Yuri something. Is it not Pavel Derov? No, no, it's not Paddle.

It's the guy who bought it. It's not the guy who started it. Yuri Milner, that's the guy's name. But he's like a very big Eastern European descended now is Israeli businessman but I think he still has a ton of

obviously still has a ton of business interests Eastern Europe and some in many in the US as well I think in the technology sector but at one point Boris Nikolik is getting advice on how to start this fund from Epstein and Epstein makes some sort of oblique comments on how to make

or not I've got to stop saying oblique he makes some somewhat difficult to parse but clearly directed at Bill Gates comments on how to get more money from Gates for this fund. And this fund did start, it looks like. You know, there's a 2016 article in South China Morning Post that I don't have in front of me, but about their, they're investing in some San Francisco-based DNA. I think this is like the CRISPR kind of shit. I don't know. I got to, I got to read it that Microsoft was maybe going to get involved with this as well. So like this did

happen. We got an I. Emmer who is saying that the reporting on the thing we just read was actually Elon Musk drafting an email for Boris to send to Gates. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's, which would make sense.

So, you know, Elon Musk? I'm not, excuse me, Musk. Okay. Epstein was drafting this for Boris to send to Gates. And in which case, you're seeing Epstein, and he probably does this all the time.

He gets friends with the principal and with the sort of like agent, as it were. And that way, he's playing both sides always. Yeah. I mean, there's, there's so many people. Epstein, for anyone who's actually read the emails, Epstein's writing is so bad. At one point in his email signature, I don't know why he took this out. He's like, sorry for the typos sent for my iPhone. Like that's in his email signature in every, in everyone or his whatever.

messaging, I guess email, yeah. But a lot of people ask him for proof reading on very, I mean, Alan Dershwitz asked for the book. People ask for various emails or love advice emails. But he is definitely advising Boris. I don't know if that's the same email. It might be. I think it is. There is an email that Boris sends him.

I am referring to something like a business plan that Boris sends him that he wants him to look over, but there's another email attached to that that I can't remember if it's supposed to be to Gates. But that doesn't surprise me. I mean, it's, he seems like he's scheming with Nicola behind Gates's back. And it's just, I think the only, the only answer is we need a crazy congressional hearing thing about this. I really think that like, that's, that's what you got to do. Because at this point, if you were involved in this shit, but you didn't touch any girls, it's in your best interest to get up in front of Congress and have the most degrading. spectacle of all time happened

in D.C. I don't know why. I mean, if if this isn't one track of Democratic oversight, I mean, they're going to get the House, assuming there's an election in this fall

and it actually is like goes off and it's reported, you know, it's assuming we have a relatively normal election this fall, the Democrats are going to control the House. They're going to be able to do hearings on all of this. One wonders, and, you know, it really is just a function of like, how much do you want to embarrass Larry Summers? How much you want to embarrass the Clintons?

How much you want to embarrass? And it really is going to be a function of, you know, what the power dynamics are in the context of the House. But the idea that you would leave this on the table. I don't think they will. I'm, I'm, Robert Garcia had, like, you know, Roe Con is getting a lot of public credit about this and he has really pushed it and teaming up with mass he was good but the groundwork that birthday book all of that stuff the initial that was garcia on oversight yeah yeah i think that they are like i have a ton of of of powder here and like they this is not necessary it's an issue that all of these democrats that if you're under 70 and you're not in the clinton wing like seriously there's nothing material here except of course maybe pissing off uh intelligence but whatever but like

or stacey plaskett yeah uh okay well yeah i mean i think you can get broad consensus among democrats to get behind this one if they take back the house i i i think that will happen to i mean i say stacy plasgow because she's she's one of the people that have to be on both sides of any kind of hearing because she was she was the one that was getting she's not a voting member though is she i don't know how delegates work. I don't know how territories work. I don't think she's a voting member. She's from the Virgin Islands. And ask questions.

Yeah. I think that's it. I mean, I think so. I mean, I think so. I guess you're right. Yeah, because the Virgin Islands just asked questions. But you just, wow. And you get paid, I guess. It's, you know, it's not the worst gig in the world. You know, apparently you don't have to come up with your own questions. Yeah.

To ask people. Well, then never mind. So I, but it's, yeah, I, it is. I think that the one advantage that the Democrats have now is that they're not in the executive where they would probably have a lot of older people who probably would have known Epstein in, whereas Trump is in the executive and has so many old people that were good friends with Jeffrey Epstein. And so they can kind of press this advantage. And it also, I mean, I don't know about internal dynamics whatsoever. It also might help you. I mean, there is a sort of tension between older and younger, you know, members of the Democratic Party, as I'm sure there is a Republican as well in some regards.

And you can kind of use this also to your advantage. But yeah, it is. And the tech people, they should not have switched allegiances. They should not have because if they were still donating, I don't know if this would be as big a deal. But most of the tech guys were mentioned in this, obviously our goat read accepting are now Republicans. And so it really, the field is pretty wide open for the Democrats to take advantage of this. But the thing is, they're just really bad at doing politics. Very bad.

And so I think that's, that might be the problem that they have. Well, Brace, thank you so much for this. It is, this stuff is just overwhelming. I imagine you're going to be spending a lot of time reading emails over the next couple of days. look forward to you guys. There's $3 million. It's going to be over the next few fucking months. Three million documents.

You know, you're 24 hours a day in a day. There's no reason to. What am I reading damn infinite? There's no reason to drag you drag. I mean, and theoretically, right, there's more to come. Yeah. Didn't Todd Blanche say no? What is the way?

What is the way in which you do? read these? I mean, because there's a couple. There's that J-mail. I've seen some other, like, what do you find the best way to comb through these? Well, so with this new bunch, they finally added the legally required search function. And so I downloaded a few of like the actual zip files that have them all in it. But dude, last time there was only the zip files, and it's like they're in completely random order. And so you're just opening like 50 PDFs and then hoping some of them are germane and just it's so. It's so. So do you, but will you, like, for the most part, like, just read chronologically or do you?

They're not chronologically put in there. So there will be one thing for, they're just, there is literally, like there will be an email on one and then like 50 random other things. And then the answer to that email on the next one or maybe three emails later in the chain on the next one. And so like now there is a search function on the DOJ website. I don't know if it's perfect because I haven't read three million documents. I don't know if there's anything missing. but that has been much more useful for me for looking up specific people

and various funny words and things like that. But that's been better. And then the J-mail thing is good. I just don't think it's been updated yet with the new stuff. Interesting. And would you do you put in random names? No, no, no, no. I'll think of like, for the episode we're doing tomorrow,

there's like a few. Some of it became weirdly focused around Epstein's trip to TED at Long Beach, the TED conference in 2012, and a few things that came out around that. And so some of the stuff we talked about with Elon's going to be in there and et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. But it's so sprawling that the way I try to do it is pick a specific either time period or a group of people and then try to figure out how to kind of research around that. because otherwise you're just going bam bam you know it's just like it gets too crazy let me ask you

one other question are there like is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is I mean not showbiz people in there I mean I'm there may not the new york giant's part but but I'm I'm just like Steve tish oh he's a big Hollywood producer oh yeah he's a lot of I mean if those count he yeah focus on that and not the new york giants part but but I mean I'm just like I'm just curious, I mean, it's interesting to me because Epstein's not looking necessary. And maybe there are names in there that I just, I, you know, that haven't that people, but I would imagine. Chris Tucker was on his plane. It doesn't feel like he's that into celebrity per se. Oh, Woody Allen. Woody. Yeah, I guess. He's all over. I guess. All over it. He seems to have been actual good friends with him.

Yeah. But it doesn't seem like. he's looking for celebrity as much as like that's maybe incidental that may be at certain instances like a like an arrow in his quiver but he doesn't see he seems to like i want stuff who can material connections somebody in hollywood like it's a dead end but under that's the end of pizagate though remember they were saying it was all hollywood people and tom hanks and oprah i mean but but just to give people a sense of how this is was probably a GOP SIE off. I mean, No, I'm with it because, yeah, it turns out that like,

it is really, it is like Woody Allen and like maybe a few other people, but there's a, I mean, this has been reported on for, for years, but like Peggy Siegel, sort of the, the, a foul mouth publicist or like, kind of, I don't know what you would call her, but I guess publicist, uh, does try to get Epstein like invited to movie stuff after his, his release from jail in Florida. Um, it's unclear if he goes to a lot, but he, she sends him sort of updates on Hollywood,

but it doesn't seem like he makes many lasting connections. I will say this. I know people who worked on Woody Allen's movies, his last movies that he did for, once he did for Amazon, and I have multiple people telling me he was, that Jeffrey Epstein was on set every single year. And in fact, at one point,

and I think it's called Wonderwheel, the movie that he did on Coney Island. I mean, someone I know actually was doing the sign-ins for people, for extras and two girls who were not two very young Russian speaking girls who are accented girls who are not on the extras list were asked to be in a scene in a diner that and obviously this creates some legal problems because you can't have children working on set

without any paper I mean obviously you know you can imagine and he was told that no these are friends of Woody's it's it's going to happen it doesn't matter he's talking the security guard that accompanied the girls who is also Justin Timberlake Security Guard he moonlit as moonlit as Justin Timberlake security guard

and the guy tells him that they're Jeffrey Epstein's friends that he brought. Epstein's hometown, Coney Island. A little nostalgic for him. But actually it ended up with some people quitting one of the productions because this was again

most of these people had no idea who Jeffrey Epstein was like who were working on it but by like the third movie they figured out who Jeffrey Epstein was and some people quit when Woody refused to have him removed from set. Wow.

Woody refused. Woody refused. Woody also paid off. I can't remember what museum, but one of the movies was filmed in a museum that Epstein was banned from being on the property of. And I have been told by somebody who witnessed this happen that Woody Allen paid off the woman

who was sort of like acting as the go between the museum and the film's production that night, in order for Epstein to be able to stay on set and watch things. I mean, I guess, you know, I guess Woody Allen was like, what's it going to do to my reputation? Exactly. Yeah. You know what I mean?

In for a penny. In for a pound. Exactly. My stepdaughter going to leave me? Yeah. In for a pet. Grace Belden, co-host of the True Annan podcast. We'll, of course, link to that podcast.

Thanks so much for your time today. I really appreciate it. Thank you for having me. Thanks, Grace. All right, folks. We're going to take a quick break head into the fun half of the program, although that was like relatively fun for the subject matter. For the subject matter and just like, you know, these days.

Brace is a first ballot hall of fame podcast guest. There you go. Yes, he made it fun. We've got a lot more to cover. Of course, we will find out if the Democrats and Chuck Schumer manages to, successfully fund, at least temporarily, the DHS. If they, remember, Chuck Schumer is on operation, make sure no one knows Democrats exist by doing nothing and assuming that nobody notices. I wasn't here on Friday. I had a prime, a rant primed for that. But I just, you guys discuss the

fact that Schumer is completely giving away all the leverage here and also a lot i mean i'm sure i'm i'm sure you did okay but did you the part that bothered me the most i'm not sure if you touched on it the fact that he's giving them two weeks it benefits the republicans so disproportionately because the outrage about the killings of rené good and prety are going to be more on the rear rear view of of course no it is a cool down period and if they need another two week period but what your discount is that he swore. And he, did you hear this? Oh, no, I didn't.

Okay. This is what you're discounting. Matt, will you just, if you would? How do we not have this hanging on the office? This is on his Instagram. Sorry. Oh, his Instagram. Okay.

Popping over there. In between thirst traps, he's caving to the Republicans. I don't think he's caving to the Republicans. Listen to how angry. He is. And that's why he's only giving two weeks. Only two weeks. Stephen Miller are fucking liars.

Any administration that are... Did you see? Did you see? Can we play back? Emma just like went real. She reeled back when she heard that. That's how strong. Stephen Miller are fucking liars.

Any administration... Absolute leadership. To prevent myself from the French. Honestly, I'm getting... chill running up my spine when I hear him swear like that. Right, right. Because I know he's mad. Right. He's really mad. Right.

No side deals. No side deals. And of course, where did you do that? The social media. The social media. You really know what he was doing. Well, you didn't see in the video also is there's about five edits in a 30 second video because he can't finish a 30 second brand. They had to do a jump cut between Fah and King. They had to take that twice to get the full check.

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I feel like my head is going to explode like on a daily basis. Christy Noem and Stephen Miller are fucking lines. Oh my God. Oh my God. How will Republicans ever recover? People are reeling from that.

Did that get banned on Instagram? Because it was too tough. Yeah, he's banned. He got a seven-day band from Instagram. He was suspended. I'll be on YouTube. I saw the thing that got Hassan suspended from Twitch.

That is just absolute BS. They dumped it down from seven to three days. Oh, I wonder why. They saw he made $100,000 in Super Chats. Oh, I wonder why. On YouTube? Yes, this is the thing. Oh, is that what happened?

Yes. Over 100,000 concurrent viewers on YouTube. Hey, guys, he may move over to YouTube. Do you think we should maybe, I don't know, three days soon? Actually, now that we're thinking about it, three days. That was a really interesting moment. I mean, Hassan throwing his weight around there, because if he were to move over to YouTube, He's their top political streamer on Twitch, right?

He was for at least some point. It's probably some psycho-fascist at this point. Okay, well, I mean, in terms of people that are good. Yeah, in terms of people without brainworms, yeah. I love to see it. Love to see it. Also, don't forget, justcoffee.com. It is a co-op in Madison, Wisconsin, and they sell a great coffee.

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And we get into his post-October 7th comments on Israel-Palestine, including the idea that the right of return, which is reaffirmed every year by the United Nations, is a lie that is told to people. And the world doesn't work that way. So we get into why we should listen to a guy who took Paul Ryan seriously about how the world works. It works that way for Israelis. The world isn't working. and maybe some of these maybe the world doesn't work that way maybe we should have reassessed some of those things

and maybe we should start now instead of taking it at face value what things are realistic and what things, what utopian things need to get billions of dollars in American taxpayer money for weapons every year. Quick break.

Fun half. Three months from now, six months from now, nine months from now, and I don't think it's going to be the same as it looks like in six months from now and I don't know if it's necessarily going to be better six months from now

than it is three months from now. But I think around 18 months out, we're going to look back and go like, wow. What? What is that going on? It's nuts. Wait a second. Hold on for, hold on for a second.

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