The Majority Report with Sam Seder - 3574 - Trump Family’s Crypto Cash-In; Israel Threatens Aid Flotilla w/ Molly White, Greg Stoker

Episode Date: September 4, 2025

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It is Thursday, September 4th, 2025. My name is Emma Vigland in for Sam Cedar, and this is the five-time award-winning majority report. We are broadcasting live steps from the industrially ravaged Gowanus Canal in the heartland of America, downtown Brooklyn, USA. On the program today, Molly White of the citation-nated newsletter will be with us to talk about Trump's crypto scams and efforts to deregulate. And later in the show, Greg Stoker of the Colonial Alcast podcast joins us. We just recorded this interview, so not exactly live, but somewhat live from the aid flotilla heading to Gaza. In the Mediterranean. Also on the program, HHS Secretary RFK Jr. is being grilled by a Senate panel as we speak after firing the CDC director because she refused to go along with his anti-vax quackery.

In Florida, the state announced plans to end all vaccine mandates for children, which experts warn could be a disaster for public health. I don't even know why we need to say that. Where in the state where Disney World is. Yeah. Google Disney World Measles. I think it was measles. There's an outbreak of something there. The U.S. job market slumped again last month.

The U.S. now has more unemployed people than job openings for the first time since April 2021. Not good. Washington, D.C. sues the Trump administration over its military takeover of the city. Trump is now threatening to send troops to New Orleans because it's a blue city and a red state. He likes the governor, but not the mayor. Shocking. Estimates show that Trump's Chicago takeover costs four times as much as housing the city's

entire homeless population. A judge orders the Trump administration. to reverse billions in cuts to Harvard University. After extrajudicially bombing a boat coming from Venezuela, the Trump administration is ending temporary protected status for a quarter of a million Venezuelans. Trump turns to the Supreme Court to quickly reverse the tariff ruling, that deemed his tariff regime illegal.

I get to do tariffs because Canada is flooding us with fentany. You gotta let me! You gotta let me! Did you hear Canada recognize the Palestinian state? Isn't that an emergency? It's a law fair if you don't let me pretend that Canada is flooding us with drugs in order for me to do tariff stuff. Israel kills at least 62 Palestinians over the past 24 hours as the IDF makes

moves further into Gaza City and lastly Trump asked the Supreme Court to reverse the verdict in the civil suit that found that he sexually abused E. Jean Carroll It's a great use of our highest court's time. Hey, can you do me a silent? Yeah, if people are calling me a rapist

because of all of the evidence, can you stop that? Can you take that off my permanent record? All this and more on today's Majority Report. Welcome to the show, everybody. It is an Majority Report Thursday, and we are actually Sands Brian. He had to jump for an appointment.

So it's just myself and Matt today. So if we're taking a second to pull up some clips, bear with us, but hello to Matt. I think it's good. I think it's good. Just the two of us. It's going to be fine. I know you're expecting me to say it's horrible.

I know it sounds horrible, but it's good. So I'm getting some I am saying that the women from the I've Habit podcast were quoting me on their show today, which that sounds pretty good. Oh my God, that's awesome. Love those ladies. We're hoping to collaborate with them in the future. So stay tuned on that. Shout out Oklahoma City. Shout out.

So right now, as we're. live here, the CDC, well, actually, sorry, the Health and Human Services Secretary, RFK Jr., is being grilled by a Senate panel because last week, Trump, you know, working alongside RFK Jr., fired Susan Menares, who was the CDC director, who had just been confirmed, like a month ago, and she was fired and then four other CDC officials resigned in protest and in solidarity with her. And this is just like the latest horrific action that RFK Jr. has taken to kind of purge the CDC of anybody sane and with a scientific or medical background. It's appalling that he has any say in this at all and that like this

isn't just he's just not some sort of figurehead that and they let like the actual people who aren't lunatics run it and that he's actually you know giving recommendations to remove people is lunacy and uh he he was confirmed by the way by this senator who was about to grill him um bill cassidy remember this there was all this like talk of well maybe some republicans will stand up to Donald Trump and block this absolute lunatic conspiracy theorists, obvious charlatan to anybody who understands public health. Well, we'll have Cassidy here who will stand up because he's a doctor. Yeah. And I mean, I remember a lot of people from maybe like sort of not explicitly partisan folks were hoping that Cassidy would show some sense. And unfortunately, all those people

were gravely disappointed because of the nature of the Republican Party. Right. Although I do think it's notable that even some Republicans are grilling him in this hearing from what I'm, you know, prepping for the show. I can't see everything. But it's an indicative of the tide's turning a bit. And Cassidy is up for re-election in 26. Yeah. And so he's got to be concerned about that in the same way that all of the House Republicans have to be concerned in the other chamber about the Epstein stuff. You know, who, Who's going to go against Trump, but who's going to sign on to this discharge petition? Because there's growing momentum with Boebert saying yes, Marjorie Taylor Green saying yes, Thomas Massey.

It's putting these Republicans who in the House, of course, they're all up for re-election in 2026. It's putting them in an uncomfortable position. Because I think that issue, it's not going to motivate people to turn out, I think, against you. Demoralize your voters. But it demoralizes the base of people that thought that the Republicans cared about Epstein and Sex, laughing laugh along with me, but it is like a bit of a, it's, there's a non-trivial part of the coalition that turned out to vote because they thought they were electing Liam Neeson and taken. Exactly. And we want those votes depressed. I don't, some of them may turn and vote for

Democrats, but majority of them are not going to. And it's just important that they, that it's on display for them, that their representative is a piece of garbage who actually is lying to them the entire time. So Bill Cassidy is trying to, you know, stave off a potential challenge. And he's in the red state, obviously, but it still could happen. It's crazier things have happened. There was a Democrat elected in Alabama in Trump 1.0. After Jeff Sessions. We started ramping up for that campaign. So crazier things have happened. But here he is. challenging RFK just earlier this morning. Mr. Secretary, do you agree with me that the president,

that the president deserves a Nobel Prize for Operation Warp Speed? Absolutely, Senator. Let me ask you. But you just told Senator Bennett that the COVID vaccine killed more people than COVID. Wait, that was a statement. I did not say that. Okay. Then let me ask, because you also are the senator, I just want to make clear.

I cannot say that. We'll check the record. That's a question of fact. You also said that you are also as lead attorney for the children's health defense, you engage in multiple lawsuits attempting to restrict access to the COVID vaccine. Again, it surprises me that you think so highly of Operation Warp Speed when as an attorney, you attempted to restrict access. Okay. Can you pause for a second? Can RFK not breathe so heavily into the the microphone via his nostrils. I've never heard a Senate hearing in this way where the guy is literally, I mean, sounds like he's in an iron lung. Exactly. I guess those, you know,

gene workouts aren't really helping his lung capacity right now. My God. That's a trivial point, but we will be correcting the record. Let's keep going. We have the actual video that Cassidy is referencing an infamous interview with Lex Friedman. But keep it up. Keep going. You also said that you were also as lead attorney for the children's health defense, you engaged in multiple lawsuits attempting to restrict access to the COVID vaccine. Again, it surprises me that you think so highly of Operation Warp Speed when as an attorney you attempted to restrict access. I'm happy to explain why. I had three minutes and 30 seconds left.

He's happy to explain why a bunch of mealy-mouthed stuff, I would guess, because it's pretty funny to say, because you're sucking up to Donald Trump in such an obvious, sloppy way. Get off your knees, buddy. His tactic is to retreat and to know nothingness, which is like, I couldn't say that vaccines killed more than COVID because you can't trust any of the data. Right. Like, that's his actual response. But here is what Cassidy was referencing early on.

This was him back in 2023, what he had to say about vaccines. Anti-vaccine, your pro-safe vaccine. Difficult question. Can you name any vaccines that you think are good? I think some of the live virus vaccines are probably asserting more problems than they're causing. There's no vaccine that is, you know, safe and effective. There's a big words.

What about the polio? Can we talk about the – Well, here's the problem. Yes. Yeah, here's the problem. The polio vaccine contained a virus called Cemetery and Virus 40. Sv.40. It's one of the most carcinogenic materials that is not demand.

In fact, it's used now by scientists around the world to induce tumors and rats. and guinea pigs in labs, but it was in that vaccine, 98 million people who got that vaccine. Okay. So the polio vaccine is not an example of a safe and effective vaccine. In fact, he never gives one. He never gives one. The polio vaccine all but eradicated polio, although we are seeing a bit of a resurgence,

same thing with measles. There was this SV40 that contaminated polio vaccines in the 50s and 60s, but But since then, vaccines have been free of SV40 because of government regulations. It's the same tactic he uses when he's talking about thermosol in vaccines, which has not been in these childhood vaccines that he spoke about since, what, the early 2000s they took it out because of these concerns, and it showed no effect on autism rates. Yeah, it's removal had no effect. So just move on to the next thing.

And it's the same thing with the American, you look at you Google RFK American Samoa where they were peddling anti-VAC stuff and there was a believe of a measles outbreak there that killed kids. And then all of a sudden RFK is like, well, don't look at me. I'm just, you know, the humble,

looking at, asking questions guy. Like there's a complete cavalier lack of responsibility and accountability by this guy as he causes massive medical harm. He is not interested in health in the way that a doctor, doctor would be, or that a public health official would be, because it's inherent in his rhetoric and things like what we played last week, where he talks about how he walks around

the airport and sees these disgusting children with mitochondrial inflammation or whatever garbage, he's, mitochondrial what, deformities? I forget exactly how he said, what the second word was, but like, basically saying that he's diagnosing these children from afar, that he feels either that they are disabled, obese, or he can see into their soul or something like that. And his vision of health comes from a place of disgust. And aristocracy. Aristocracy. It's how a rich guy thinks about health, which is that if you just work out in this way

or eat the right things, which I'll always have access to, or have the right supplements that I'll always have access to, then you can be as healthy as I am. And if you're not, well, what is the natural conclusion of that? You are a degenerate or you're not strong enough. And then you peel back the layers of this. And it's very easy to see how it's borderline eugenesis. Because what is going to happen in Florida if they get rid of all childhood vaccine requirements? What's going to happen to disabled children?

What's going to happen to children with autoimmune issues? Like, these children will die. Kids are going to die, especially poor kids. And so it's, right, this is an exacerbation of the worst parts of our health care system by eliminating the infrastructure around public health and in and making health care so individualized that only folks with the right income can provide health care for their kids. I mean, this, this destruction of also the, uh, the recommendation guidelines for the COVID vaccine, like, if you don't have health insurance and you're, you don't. have some sort of, um, uh, pre-existing condition that can qualify you for, for access to the vaccine. It'll be like the early days of the MRI vaccine where you needed to have a condition to get it before if you were within like the healthy age range. Um, basically this is going to make it

so that more people die of COVID and it spreads further. Remember when this was supposed to be about choice and now they're removing that choice? Exactly. To do it. And, um, this might be seem uncharitable to folks who, you know, RFK is one of the more popular figureheads in Trump's coalition. He's against Medicare for all because he's worried that the amount of money that he's inherited, he would have to spend it on taxes to pay for your sick ass. Like that, that's the filter he takes all this stuff through, at least lately. Maybe he wasn't like this 15 years ago.

But when he comes out against single payer health care, he talks about how sick and obese people are. because and that is him doing the calculations of cost now we know that actually it's really expensive to have this private health care system um where we pay middlemen like at universal health care or whatever united health care to like you know deny people uh coverage but the rich people that are against um public health in general and you know universal health coverage in particular are doing it because of pocketbook reasons and they don't care when he says he deserves the It might seem like a contradiction, and he is insane, so who knows, but the contradiction between Trump deserves a Nobel Peace Prize for Operation Warp Speed, which made these vaccines, and him saying vaccines are actually really harmful and you don't know how many people they actually killed is because he doesn't mind if certain people die, because he's basically a Malthusian psycho. Also, I mean, didn't he also, when he talked about bird flu, it's exactly what you're saying. Remember when the initial thought was that they should just run through the population and then it'll be fine? He thinks that way about human beings. Yep.

The weak, like survival of the fittest as public health policy, which is the opposite of public health policy. The thing he said about autistic people not paying taxes. Yeah. Insane. Like this is an insane guy who's ultimately looking at his bottom line. It's not looking at health care. He, uh, that's how he got pretty rich in recent years was a suing vaccine manufacturer. and exploiting the anxiety that parents feel about health care for their children and health care in general because it's so difficult to access.

So everybody who isn't wealthy feels anxious about it and says basically follow my guidelines and your child won't be this disgusting autistic or disabled person that I have no interest in helping but have an interest in kind of doing away with via federal policy. And it's a wider thing than RFK even Trump. Ron DeSantis is like we've been talking about, doing it down in Florida, and then saying we're doing this because of medical choice, the same party that overturned Roe versus Wade and has been criminalizing women's right to choose. Exactly. In a moment, we are going to be speaking to Molly White

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Quick break when we come back, we'll be joined by Molly White. Thank you. We are back, and we are joined now, once again by Molly White, crypto and tech industry researcher and publisher of the citation-needed newsletter, which I really encourage people to subscribe to if they want to stay updated on all these corrupt crypto shenanigans. Molly, thanks so much for coming on the show today. Thanks for having me.

course um so earlier this week the wall street journal reported that the trump family uh got as much as five billion dollars in paper wealth that's how the journal describes it but i'd love to you for you to explain what that means um because their crypto you know venture basically uh had the equivalent of an IPO uh earlier this week and like basically opened up um and the trump family family has a quarter of all World Liberty Financial tokens that are in existence. And so they made billions of dollars this week. How did that all happen? Yeah. So the Trump family launched a project called World Liberty Financial some time ago. And they issue a token, WLFI is the token that was originally meant to just be, it's called a governance token, but essentially it's not worth anything. You

just use it to vote on the future of the prep platform and so on. It was originally very locked down. There was no secondary trading. It was only available to accredited investors or people who are outside of the U.S. largely because at the time, this was in the previous administration. The SEC was much more active in policing unregistered securities offerings. And so I think they were largely trying to dodge any issue with the SEC, seeing it as an unregistered securities offering, which is how they were viewing a lot of crypto tokens at the time. Since then, under Trump, the SEC has dramatically backed off from enforcing cryptocurrency-related cases. They've made statements to the effect that most cryptocurrencies are not securities.

And so the World Liberty Financial Project has changed the design of the token essentially so that it is now available for secondary resale. And that was essentially what caused the windfall earlier this week was now that that token is resaleable and there is sort of a market price for it because it's being actively traded. the large amount of that token held by the Trump family now has this paper price of, you know, several billion dollars. And now the Wall Street Journal is careful to describe it as a paper price because the issue with a lot of crypto tokens is that if one holder holds a substantial quantity of those tokens, they can't necessarily cash out at that amount. You know, the token price is largely based on supply and demand. And so if there was this sudden influx of supply with the Trump's, you know, dumping their entire holdings, they would not be able to cash out likely anywhere near that many, you know, $5 billion or $6 billion or whatever the number is going around. However, they would, it still is a multi-billion dollar windfall.

Just want to emphasize that even though like the, the, the, as you mentioned it's the valuation it's not going to be reflected if they were to cash out um like when you talk a little bit about uh the tokens them themselves um like is there any statutory regulation that prevents some of these like exchanges or currencies from printing more i know that to do so would like dilute say the value of the folks who got in initially um But I could also see circumstances in which that would be beneficial for people. And it would just screw over the regular, you know, Reddit investors or day traders of cryptocurrency. Yeah, the retail.

Retail. Right, exactly. Yeah. So it really depends on the project. It's really up to less the exchanges and more World Liberty Financial, the company itself, whether or not they would issue more tokens. They have at various points done so. So there was an early allocation of tokens. The amount sort of changed a little bit throughout that process.

There was early, like, they had challenges meeting demand or finding demand early on. And so that the number really moved around a lot. They've since issued more of those tokens for sale. So I think there is, you know, a substantial possibility that that could happen. But it's just I was, I remember the arguments about crypto, currency being that there was a finite amount or at least maybe that's just particular

to Bitcoin. Like what, then if there is the ability for more coins or whatever to be printed, doesn't that undercut the central argument about cryptocurrency

being an alternative to regular currency because their critique of that was, oh, you could just print more money. Yeah. So you're totally right that that is a major selling point for Bitcoin specifically, which does have a hard cap at the amount of Bitcoins that will ever be circulated. That's not so much the case for other cryptocurrencies. So there are major cryptocurrencies like Ethereum or Solana, which do not have that finite cap.

And they do have to grapple with that issue that, you know, they could theoretically print, you know, infinite crypto tokens and cause the price to go to zero. essentially. There are different mechanics in which blockchain projects try to, you know, get around that. And we've seen the World Liberty Financial Project already experimenting with that throughout or in recent days where they have begun, it's called burning tokens, where it's essentially destroying tokens that have already been issued to do the reverse, you know, to reduce the supply and hopefully increase the demand. So that's already been happening as the World Liberty team is trying to sort of pump the price of the token, quite frankly. And so I think that is, you know, the type of activity we'll be seeing going forward. Well, it's also, I mean, even if they don't cash out and sell all of their cryptocurrency for hard cash, can they use this money or like their holdings here to, say get like favorable loans and borrow against it in the way that Elon Musk purchased Twitter or for example. This is how really wealthy people make their money is like they don't even cash out. They just use it as a leverage point. Yeah. I mean, that is frankly my biggest concern with these

types of projects is that they are not necessarily going to sell all of their assets, but they will borrow against them. That was a major concern. of the most recent crypto crash in 2022 or so. Certainly there were other aspects as well, but the amount of leverage in the system was what caused it to crash so dramatically and so quickly, I would say, is that assets being loaned out, reduced in value, people defaulted on the loans that caused the assets to be sold at fire sale prices. The price went down, and it's sort of this vicious cycle where that degree,

of leverage in the system can spiral very, very quickly. And especially in crypto, where there is very dubious pricing, a lot of the due diligence by lenders is extremely shabby. A lot of it is sort of reputation rather than the quality of the assets. I think there is an enormous amount of risk, especially with projects like this, where, you know, the tokens have sort of dubious resale value. you know, it's a lot tied to sort of the Trump reputation.

And so I think that's going to be the question. I mean, a lot of traditional lenders do not lend against cryptocurrency. And so it's not likely that the trumps are going to go out and get a bank loan against these assets. But there is this proliferation of lending in the crypto world, which is generally lending against existing assets, such as World Liberty Financial tokens. And I could definitely see them trying to take advantage of that. How is that possible then? Is this lending kind of infrastructure completely like below the surface? I mean, how are you, how can cryptocurrencies, I don't know, operate in this way?

I thought we had banking regulations that kind of made it so these banks were the main show in town. We did. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, a lot has changed in the regulatory worlds when it comes to crypto. A lot of these crypto lending projects either moved outside of the United States or shut down. In recent years, the SEC brought cases against crypto lenders. We saw Gemini, Coinbase shut down lending products because of the regulatory problems around these types of offerings. But now they've opened right back up.

you know, they've started offering loans to U.S. customers and the regulation is largely non-existent, especially as there is this ongoing question of who the primary regulator even is. And, you know, the SEC has essentially taken a step back and said, we don't know who it is, but it's not us. Yeah, you wrote about that. Let's let's ask, let's talk about that a bit if you don't mind, Molly. Just like how the, if the Trump and the administration, has been, you know, decimating the regulatory agencies across all different bodies and sectors. But what I wasn't aware of until I was reading your reporting is that they have been trying to make it so that the Commodity Futures Trading Commission is, one, the only

regulator for the cryptocurrency industry. And two, is just basically a single commissioner at this point um that is obviously going to be handpicked by the president um like why does the crypto industry want this and what is happening really behind the scenes with these regulatory bodies that our audience should should know about yeah so there has been legislation already going through congress that would it wouldn't necessarily make the cfTC the only regulator but they would become the primary regulator. And this is something the crypto industry has been pushing for for years. They've, you know, for a long time, they've wanted the SEC out of the game as the

crypto regulator, even though they were sort of the primary regulator for a while. Can I call to you and ask why? Is that because the SEC just has way more investigative power? Right. It has a lot to do with resources and sort of investigative ability. The SEC was, and frankly, the, also the sort of. of stance that the SEC was taking under its previous chair, Gary Gensler. The SEC was willing a couple of years ago to take enforcement actions against cryptocurrency companies and did so in a

fairly aggressive way, especially following the 2022 collapse and the FTX collapse. They started to step in and say, okay, clearly, you know, there's something going wrong here and they started opening enforcement actions. That was horrifying to the crypto industry, which went on a full scale, sort of assault back against the SEC, and

they've really lobbied for the CFTC to be put in as the regulator. It's a much smaller agency. It receives much less funding. It has much less experience regulating retail markets, frankly, whereas the SEC is, you know, the retailer

or the regulator for, you know, retail stock. and things like that. And so it would likely be fairly toothless in comparison to the SEC. Are they arresting this on the idea that it's a commodity and not in some way a financial like asset, which is, is that the core of the argument? I don't understand how you could say that this is outside of the SEC's purview except for the obvious corruption we're talking about.

But like it stretches credulity even on its face. Well, I mean, the CFTC does, is a financial regulator. You know, they regulate some aspects of the financial system. And it's sort of a split, you know, the U.S., unlike some countries, does not have sort of a single financial regulator. We have this split system. And so there are legitimate arguments that can be made that, you know, various cryptocurrencies maybe are commodities or that various types of activities that people do with crypto trades should be handled by the CFTC. frankly, I don't buy the argument that, you know, I was, I largely agree that most crypto assets are securities and should be regulated by the securities regulator. Some in the crypto world have argued that, no, they're not. Some have argued that, well, maybe, but these are outdated regulations that were written in the 1930s and we need something totally new. We need to carve out crypto from that regulation and put it into its totally new stage.

So, you know, there are arguments that are being made. But frankly, I think a lot of it boils down to sort of a strategic decision to have the much weaker regulator in place. Although at this point, with the SEC very much changing direction, I sort of wonder if that was even necessary because the SEC is also undergoing challenges around its willingness and ability to go after clear securities violations. But, you know, as you alluded to earlier, I think they are looking forward to this future where not only is the weakest regulator in charge of overseeing this quite large new sector that they previously did not have to oversee, but they would not necessarily receive increased funding to do so. We've seen crypto companies come out and say, we want the CFTC to take on this entire new industry. but also receive no support to do so. And then we've also seen, yeah. And then there's also the leadership issue,

which is that, you know, the CFTC operates with a five-person commission. It's normally somewhat bipartisan in that there are rules saying that no more than three commissioners should come from the same political party. And we, you know, the commission has already lost a number of commissioners just through resignations. We were down to two commissioners, the acting chair and one other. The remaining non-chair commissioner has just resigned this week, or rather her resignation took effect this week. So we currently have one CFTC commissioner, who is the acting chair.

She has stated that she plans to resign when Trump's nominee for chair is installed. so we would still have just the one chair on the commission. Trump has shown no interest in nominating additional commissioners to replace the body that his family just made $5 billion off of. Right. And, you know, there's, I think there is sort of an unanswered question around, you know, can the CFTC operate with a single commissioner? Is that even allowed?

But, you know, it seems like that may be the way that Trump. is hoping to go is to really install someone who is, you know, very much aligned with his agenda and leave the rest of the seats empty so that there's just sort of a yes man in charge of this nominally independent agency. I think that there was some confusion about the Genius Act because there was like supposed bipartisan support and you had Kirsten Gillibrand come out there with I forget which Republican senator and was saying how this is so important and we have to come together, where when you look into the regulation in the Genius Act, it is basically about taking cryptocurrency outside of the SEC's purview, where it has stronger regulatory enforcement

and just way more resources and doing exactly this, although, you know, and this has, this honestly was enabled in a bipartisan way, and that's because of the influx of crypto money into this last election. It was, I think, you know, the biggest sector that spent or the second biggest sector that spent. You can correct me on that. And they took out a long-serving senator who was quite popular in his state and Sherrod Brown. And so now you have, like, guys like also down in Georgia, who's up in 2026, signing on to this thing because they're all panicked about crypto money in their race. That's absolutely right. I mean, I think the crypto is. industry was very strategic in how they spent across political parties so that they have

Democrats in office who are full tilt supporters of the cryptocurrency industry. They've also shown this willingness to spend, you know, regardless of political affiliation, if you get on board with the crypto agenda. And they have, I think, terrified a lot of Congress people that if they don't sign on or at least shut up about the crypto lobby and its various regulatory and legislative goals, then they will be essentially taken out of office through massive spending in the midterms. This was the strategy they used in 2024, where they made some very early, large contributions to primaries of people like Katie Porter, who was seen as an opponent of the industry,

Cory Bush, Jamal Bowman. And, you know, they were able to later point to those victories essentially in getting those people out of their primary races

and say, look, we can do this to them. We'll do it to you. So, you know, basically get on board, support our legislation, sign on to our agenda, and you'll be safe.

And I think that's what we're going to be seeing into the midterms, although there has been somewhat of a shift where it does seem like some of the crypto, at least the financiers, are also more interested in going explicitly partisan this time around because they are concerned about losing the Republican majority, which has been their strongest backers thus far.

The other piece I wanted to ask you about, just back to the Trump family for a second, because I was not aware of this until I was reading your reporting, that Donald Trump Jr. is apparently closely associated with Polymarket the betting platform that now allows you to bet on anything from how far

the California wildfires will spread to how far or how long it will take to get a ceasefire in the genocide in Gaza to little things like internet rumors about this show taking money from the Democratic Party which there was a bet on that

wasn't true yeah it was pretty funny we had a laugh about that but underneath how like absurd it is is the idea that you can bet on elections okay like

I'm a sports fan it's already insane that you can bet on the color of the gatorade that's going to get dumped on the coach when they win the super because obviously someone could have inside information about that, let alone the scandals we're seeing in sports about players who are maybe, you know, not paid as highly leaving the game with an injury and then suddenly they're making money or their friends are making money because this is the kind of thing this incentivizes.

Right. Donald Trump Jr., you reported this, is a strategic advisor to Polly Market. He, after his father won, he went and joined this venture capital firm as a partner that is invested in polymarket itself. And this, they're trying to basically get full access to the U.S. market. So they could be having literal financial speculation on the outcome of elections so that folks could not just stand to make rich. guys could not just stand to make money on elections by buying our politicians in a corrupt way, which we already know about, but they could literally be financially incentivized to rig elections, and his son is invested in polymarket, and Trump has a history of trying to undemocratically overturn elections.

This is a five-alarm fire. I would even add to that. Donald Trump Jr. is also a board member on Kalshi, which is a competitor to Polymarket and is a very similar platform. Not only that today, I think, or maybe yesterday, the CFTC issued a no action letter towards polymarket saying essentially, come on in, you know, come, you know, allow U.S. customers to bet on your platform, despite the fact that the CFTC had issued or had taken an enforcement action against, Polly Market several years ago, there were ongoing investigations by both the CFTC and the Justice Department into Polly Market that were stopped shortly after Trump took office. Trump's nominee for the CFTC chair, and the CFTC already is the primary regulator for events contracts, which is these prediction markets essentially.

So that's already established in the regulatory world. Trump's nominee for CFTC share is a major shareholder and board member on Kalshi, which is prediction market. There was a FOIA request into emails sent by Trump's nominee to the CFTC after he received the nomination, suggesting that he may have been improperly requesting information on competitors to call she, that he may have had some influence in the very friendly shift at the CFTC towards these prediction markets. So that entire realm of the industry right now is just incredibly corrupt and incredibly problematic and poised to make an even stronger entry into the United States. Is there the opportunity to challenge this legally? I mean, I, like, as if our

elections are not corrupted enough, we're going to soon have the capacity to bet on outcomes. I mean, that is, we're, we're in dangerous territory for, like, the democracy of this kind of, like, this is democratizing our dark money system, basically. Yeah, it is, I mean, it's very concerning. I do think there is space for that type of action. There have been state regulators that have been stepping up to some extent to bring actions against these types of companies. And, you know, state attorneys general stepping in to try to essentially take over

where the federal regulators are completely dropping the ball. So, you know, I'm hopeful that we'll see more of that action. There's certainly, I think, plentiful opportunity for civil litigation, although, you know, the outcomes of that are definitely concerning given the sort of sign-off that we're seeing at the federal level on these types of activities. I mean, a lot of what these platforms are offering, as I pointed out in a recent piece of mine, And it's already explicitly prohibited for them to offer any type of bets on, you know, wars, acts of terrorism, gaming in general is completely off limits in the CFTC regulations. And yet, both Polymarket and Kalshi have complete sections, you know, dedicated to sports related events contracts.

And so, you know, I think there is an opening there. but it's going to be a challenge, I think. Well, Molly White could not recommend citation needed more. Thanks so much for your time today. Really appreciate it. Thank you for having me. Of course. Quick break, folks.

And then we will play for you an interview that I recorded with Greg Stoker from the flotilla, just two or so hours ago, three hours ago. Greg is an anti-imperialist activist, a veteran as well, and we were so lucky to be able to get a pretty decent connection with him from the flotilla itself. So a quick break, and then we will play that interview for you. We are back and we are joined now by Greg Stoker, U.S. veteran, anti-imperialist activist, and host of the Colonial Outcast podcast, which is a great show live with us, or we're recording this a few hours before the show, live with me now, at least, from the global sumud flotilla, if I'm saying that correctly, sailing to Gaza to break the siege and deliver humanitarian aid. Greg, welcome to the show. Thanks so much for having me on. I'm so glad to be able to speak with you from the flotilla.

As I mentioned, you're on one of the, I guess, two dozen boats that set sail on Sunday on the flotilla, trying to get to Gaza to break the siege. But on the other hand, the Israeli government is saying that you're doing this for Instagram clout. So I'm hoping you're taking some cool picks for the timeline, buddy. I am. Yeah, the account Quentin Quentin Quintino had a great video of me talking trash to the other journalists who are on like a really nice media boat. And I'm stuck on the vet boat that has like actual sales and rigging. And you know, it's basically just a massive vacation where we have very limited rations and living space. And we're going to deal with a rogue state that has a history of massacring international humanitarian activists like the Mari, the Mavi Marmara. and the World Central Kitchen last year. But yeah, you know, it's for clout, for sure. Exactly. I mean, obviously, incredible bravery by all of you guys.

And this Flotilla movement keeps growing by the month of people who are trying to join and break the siege. How many folks are with you this time? I know that the ships have delegations from like over 40 countries or something like that. Yeah, 44 different countries. There's a couple boats from the U.S. delegation. Other countries only have one, but we wanted this to be a transnational effort of humanitarian relief to basically do what our governments collectively as an entire world population are refusing to do. So, yeah, we have had a couple of delays. It actually has gone off, you know, growing up in the military a lot smoother than I thought it would, you know, from a humanitarian human rights activist perspective. I thought it was going to be a cluster F than it was.

Of course, we had a 24-hour weather stand down, and then we've had to set up a rally point to collect other ships that were scattered in the storm, but we're doing the best with what we can, because this is like a grassroots movement largely, and again, we don't have a military infrastructure. We don't have a tax base where we can allocate funds to naval operations. So, yeah, there's going to be. to be delays. It's going to take a minute to get there, but we're not going to be deterred through psychological operations like Ben Gavir saying that all of us, including Greta Thunberg,

is going to go into terrorist level detention facilities in order to deter other activists for attempting the same thing again. And I would like to remind the minister that there is only one person in this conversation who's actually been convicted of terrorism, Idemer. Good point. Good point. And that brings me to these quotes, because it's insane. This broke yesterday. This is from the Jerusalem Post. The National Security Minister of Israel, Itzmer Ben-Gavir. They presented a plan to the cabinet aimed at halting the largest flotilla ever planned to sail to Gaza, comprising 50 ships with activists from 44 countries. Ben-Govir presented the plan in this meeting. Under the new

suggested directive, all activists arrested in connection with the flotilla will be detained in Israel's Kensiot and Damon prisons, which are used to hold terrorists under stringent conditions typically reserved for security prisoners. The activists will be held in prolonged detention, unlike the previous practice of releasing detainees after brief overnight stays. Activists will be denied special privileges such as TV, radio, and specialized food in an effort to impose a clear message that supporting terrorism will not be allowed. So then also, Ben-Gavir says they're going to be confiscating your ships and repurposing them under Israeli law. Now, I'm not a legal expert, but what's their jurisdiction?

You're in international waters. Let's start there. Oh, yeah. Well, first of all, I would honestly, Ben, I would love for you to turn these boats that we cobbled together with in the past two months and use them as your new police court. Personally, my boat doesn't have bow thrusters. so we can't even dock without port assistance. So please make these new top boats. They should replace the Israeli Navy

or whatever their equivalent is with your guys' stuff. That's my tip for them, too. Yeah, we'll see, Ben-Gavir does say a lot of nonsense. But they are definitely concerned. Israel, you know, doing a threat analysis for the Security Council for this Global Samud Flitla, you know, it's easy to find via open-source information that Israel has a very small Navy,

49th, 50th, largest, or smallest, however you want to take that in the world. They only have 60 vessels, five of which are sub-submarines. Most of them, I would guess, are stationed or posted out in the Persian Gulf to do signal intelligence collection on Iranian assets in the region. Then they have like six to eight missile cruisers and then 45 patrol boats, some of which are in patrol detachments based out of the port of I-Lot and the Red Sea. So they're not even part of this. So, like, other naval assets are doing, like, patrols along the Lebanese and Syrian coast to interdict, like, weapons or whatever intelligence support going to Hezbollah.

So it's like how many ships and assets they actually have allocated for this? So what they're hoping is they really don't want to be dealing with this flotilla right now. They're in a bad PR position as it is, you know, as what happens to one who's, you know, enforcing famine and, you know, ethnic cleansing on an entire population. but they don't have any legal basis, so they are falling back on the old tropes of, you know, this is terrorist, this is an act of terrorists. They're calling Greta Thunberg a terrorist, and I would just like to say that, you know, if your state sees a 22-year-old activist as, like, one of its existential threats, it's not looking good for the longevity of the project. But they're hoping that this will fail. So they're hoping it will collapse in on itself and the entire project will implode before we get to the Port of Tunis. that's not going to happen, so we're going to keep moving across the Mediterranean

towards Palestinian territories, and in that there's going to be a lot of psychological operations. So this is kind of like a taste of what we're going to get, these kind of threats. Then it's going to escalate to drones, like having like holding orbits, close orbits, so you can hear the buzzing all night around the flotilla. We're expecting them to pull tactics like they do with journalists in Gaza, where, you know, they get a ship's captain's phone number, start calling them, issuing threats. We can expect doxing all the way up to having an Israeli Navy Corvette parked off the flotilla escorting us into an interdiction site.

So, yeah, psychological operations are going to be a big part of this, and intimidation is going to be a big part of this, because they would like to divide and conquer, break the cohesion of the flotilla, so they don't actually have to deal with it because it's bad information operations all around. Well, so how many boats are there actually and how much larger is this flotilla compared to the previous efforts that we talk about where we saw some of the different sabotage and psychological operations you described? But also, there was last month, I believe, there was acid delivered to one of the boats instead of drinking water. there was damage to the propeller prior to taking off. I mean, this is, these really, this is their, their tactic is written all over it. Well, we've had more operational security.

Look, with an operation this large, you can't really be completely secure. But we haven't encountered acid water or sabotaged propellers or bureaucratic sabotage. They definitely pressured the port authorities to make it so that, They denied our insurance, pulled the flags, made it unable for us to launch bureaucratically. And now Isaac Herzog, the president of Israel, is ostensibly flying into Italy today, into Rome today to meet with the Pope. But I think we assess that that's just a cover for him to add further bureaucratic pressure to the Italian government to deny the launch from the third group of the Samud Flotilla that's going to launch out of the Italian Peninsula. So, yeah, they're trying bureaucratic, psychological, and then they'll try military. So we've seen through open source intelligence that they've massed a couple of electronic warfare and surveillance planes, you know, C-130s and G550, like, converted private jets that have like electronic warfare suites.

So they might just try to like burn out all of our comms on route in order to stop the flotilla. I mean, they have a number of ways to do this. But again, it's all a violation of international law. Of course. And can you speak a little bit about, I know that the dock workers, was it in Genoa, in Italy, have threatened to strike if they lose contact with the flotilla? Is my recollection of that correct? And also, what does that mean to have kind of labor solidarity from dock workers? workers like this backing you?

I mean, it means a lot, but from my perspective, like, it's kind of, it's not unprecedented, you know, but my question is like, why wait, just shut it down now? I mean, we're, like, witnessing the final solution and the annihilation of entire people. Yeah. And it's kind of frustrating, I'll be honest, to see that people, like, only really care now that a bunch of, like, white Europeans are engaged, you know, on a flotilla. sorry other boats yelling at us um so yeah uh but that's kind of like why we wanted to do a veteran boat and that's why i kind of put this thing together last minute because we wanted to use our protective

status due to the like grotesque militarization of our society as veterans to kind of uh explain to people or you know to make it understandable that whatever violence we do overseas whatever forms of repression that we enact on other people are almost immediately used upon our own population. And that's like, because we have been desensitized to conflicts in the Middle East or West Asia for the past 20 years. It's just what happened over there. You know, the ill-fated and ill-termed global war on terror is kind of, I believe, made a lot of people think like, I know it's horrible, but like, what can I do or why should I care? It doesn't really affect me. And I think this is why, especially within the context of Israel and operating under the premise that, you know, fascism is on the rise here in the United States.

It's so easy to draw a parallel between the Israeli Defense Force and intelligence services and our new extrajudicial Gestapo force, ICE. Because, like, I think the intercept just broke an article that ICE is now using graphite, you know, developed by the Israeli tech firm Paragon that can basically just infiltrate your entire phone and blow up your contact list and messaging. instantly. And now ICE has access to that. We already know that ICE is basically keeping a database and tracking everybody who posts anything derogatory about them online. So if you're concerned about your own personal safety, we want to make the argument that in some ways, in some very real way, that Palestine is the front line of this struggle. Because in the end, whatever our government is willing to do to Palestinians or allow to be done to Palestinians, they're also going to allow to be done to you.

Right. What Greg is referencing there is that ICE is, the Trump administration did this deal with Paragon, the Israeli basically, you know, hacking service and that ICE is going to be able to use it. This has been already used to target activists and journalists in Europe and in other places in the world. And now it seems like the Trump administration is going to try to embrace that here. And I'm sure, Greg, you heard about what the Trump administration just did bombing that boat off the coast of Venezuela, I believe, and designating them terrorists, which is very much what you're saying. It's like geographically making the war on terror closer. And let alone the tactics being used, like, which are torture under international law just

towards migrants here in the United States. Yeah, sorry. I don't know what's going on with my notifications. But yeah, I kind of, oh, my God, damn. Sorry. It's all right. Yeah, we're just kind of improvising here, you know, every day. It's all good.

So, yeah, I kind of warned about this, you know, about the law of land warfare back in, like, November of 2023 when they first bombed Al-Shefa hospital. It's like warfare is kind of like lawfare. It's, you need to be really conscious about, like, what precedents you set. and don't set. So now we've set the state bombing of hospitals. Now we have the rampant just willy-nilly ad hoc designation of different groups as terrorists. So, but that doesn't mean you can't necessarily do anything. But now a precedent has been set like, if you have the power, you can do anything with impunity. And of course, you could do that before, but there were norms. There was an

interest in maintaining soft power, U.S. soft power around the globe. You know, there used to be a buildup during the Iraq War of manufacturing consent for what we're doing, but now apparently we're just going to war with Venezuela. And most people don't understand why. And I think people need to be really concerned when, you know, we, you know, carry out like summary executions on drug traffickers, you know, even if they were, they provided no evidence that, you know, who they were, who they were targeting.

Usually when I grew up in special operations, if there was a high value target that, you know, was detained or killed in an operation, it was published, you know, not a lot of media picked it up, but, you know, that was open source. You could access it. The days of that happening are over. So it's just like whatever the government says, you know, all these people were like Trendawa guys that are waging a war on drugs against America. Well, how soon before that turns inward on American citizens? You know, when do the drone strikes on Americans or people inside the continental United States or trendy Deiragua or

MS-13 begin. So again, that's why we're on this boat because it gives us a platform to actually like talk about it from a veteran's perspective and it kind of gets like your problematic uncle a little bit more on board with these ideas. Is that the function you're

serving here, right? You can wave the veteran card and then say free Palestine. The same sentence. That works great. Yeah. Well, I mean, we do get accused of stolen valor. So, you know, we're all publishing our DD-214s if we have to, uh, which they seem to throw that, uh, around, uh, quite a bit. But, um, like, back to the flotilla here. I, I, I, we kind of glossed over it, but I mean, are you, I know, of course, you're prepared for detention by

the Israeli government, but how are you prepared for that, uh, given the threats that Ben-Gavir is issuing what is basically the consensus among maybe, you know, your veteran boat, but also the broader flotilla from Greta Thunberg all the way to Greg Stoker? Well, you know, if they want to, you know, throw a bunch of U.S. veterans doing a action protected by international law into a terror dungeon, you know, all who were honorably discharged from military service, they're fine to deal with that blowback. And, you know, we have systems and support groups in place to blow up our representatives and parallel actions plan.

So this is actually a much larger effort than just the boats. There's a lot of planning going in behind this that redounds back to the continental United States and each and every one of those 40 countries that is sending a boat in a delegation. Were you in communication with the U.S. government at all about your plans in order to have some sort of protection, if Israel tries to attack? Well, I mean, we're eventually going to reach out to the State Department, let them know, you know, that we're out there. But again, you know, who's going to be handling our case? Exactly.

Mike Huckabee. Yeah. I mean, I just, I know that, you know, for example, Greta was in communication with the Swedish government, but it just is, I mean, it just underscores what you're doing, that even without an administration that is probably going to heed your call or listen. that this is still something that you guys feel as important, especially with the strength and numbers piece. I mean, this is so much larger than previous efforts. Given Israel's limited capacity on the water, it's a little bit more promising,

at least to overwhelm them a bit this time, maybe. I mean, I'm prepared to get, like, have the whole thing get interdicted, but, you know, usually what they use for interdiction is their sciatet 13, which is like their Temu version of Navy SEALs, their naval special operations unit. They're very small.

There aren't a lot of them. So generally what's been happening is they've been sending like a security team to take control of the boats and then steer them under arms into Ashdod or Haifa. But, you know, we have so many vessels. And if we manage to make it there on time, yeah, who knows how they're going to react?

And there is actually aid in this convoy. You know, it's not just a PR cloud stunt. And there are also plans for distributing it and establishing a humanitarian corridor for future flotillas and establishing the precedent that it can be done. Is that, and when you talk about your mission here, the breaking of the siege and the escalation of breaking the siege with these flotillas continuously coming, being unrelenting and growing in the movement, is that just as important? as, you know, the work of hopefully trying to get aid or even, you know, I know that you're likely going to get intercepted, but just the continuing to put pressure on in this way feels like

that is just as important as anything, really. Yeah, it's also, we're in an, we're in an information war for the existential survival of the people of Gaza. And, you know, there's really no way that they can sugarcoat blocking this aid. So that's another pressure point as well that we fully intend to exploit because it's completely inexcusable. Again, I refuse to exist in a world where we can watch the annihilation

of an entire population and just hang out at brunch and try to pretend like everything's fine and like this isn't eventually going to affect me and everybody I care about eventually. Exactly. And before I let you go, Greg, just your overall assessment

of where we are in the movement for a liberated and free Palestine and your show has been great and focused on this, laser focused on this from the beginning, colonial outcast. But, you know, we talked about this last time, and perhaps we haven't spoken since, say, like Iran responded and hit Israel in ways that are more severe than they're advertising. But I think we did have at one point speak about how Hezbollah had been successful, in fighting Israel in southern Lebanon, but then

they took a significant blow. It appears like Israel's military power reasserted itself, but also got into a defensive crouch because of Iran's success. So I'm curious what you feel like from the outside is, like, your view

of Israel's strength outside of how it's trying to present itself in terms of deterrence. Well, they can never reestablish their deterrence because that means they would have to achieve a military victory over Hamas or Hezbollah or Iran, which none of which is possible. You know, they're making efforts to disarm Hezbollah through political machinations in Lebanon. But that's not a military victory. That's not something that's going to deter further aggression, future aggression.

Obviously, their own senior disaffected commanders have told publications like Haaret's, and Marine and YNet News that, you know, the war in Gaza, as the strategic goals are stated, is unwinnable. So, yeah, but in turn, deterrence can't be reestablished. They're edifice, they're multi-generational edifice of propaganda and influence within the U.S. government is shattered forever, even though, like, APEC still has control in some ways and influence. Like, it's out of the darkness, and it can't last forever now. And so in terms of the Palestine movement, there just aren't enough of us. So we're trying to preach a doctrine of intersectionality.

So this is why I bring in ice, you know, ice abolition, prison abolition, environmentalism. All of these things intersect with Palestine. Because it's like the linchpin. It's the linchpin of U.S. imperialism and capitalism. I think I said it to a friend recently talking about it. It sounds a little corny, but Palestine is the heart of the world right now. And it's, it's, it is the world right now as far as I'm concerned. And, and, and truly lastly, a little bit more specific on this, the IDF, the, the, the, the, the, the, the calls for reservists from Netanyahu, who I'm curious about your assessment about this, because some apparently just aren't showing up.

And there's a lot of talk about fatigue within the IDF or depression, because it's quite hard to carry out of genocide, thoughts and prayers. but it appears that they may not have the numbers for his Gaza City ground invasion plans, although the brutality there from the air is still absolutely horrific. Yeah, of course, but there's not really much left to bomb except the people themselves. Yeah, a ground offensive would take a lot of men. It would be really grueling. And a lot of these people don't want to be mobilized. That wasn't the deal when they thought when they had to go into the Israeli military.

They're going to do two years, get out as a specialist. and then go work a tech job in Tel Aviv and live a nice life, like, I don't know, doing whatever they do in a visa or some EDM festival. And, like, they literally didn't sign up for, like, a four, five-year contract, like professional militaries do. Like, they weren't mentally prepared for this going into it. And now, finally, I believe it was, like, last year people were expecting, like, a higher suicide rate amongst, like, Israeli soldiers.

And as a veteran who, like, is kind of, like, active within, like, veteran suicide circles, It doesn't really happen immediately. You need to give it time to be like to see these guys being unable to reintegrate back into society after what they've done, unable to hold a job, be in a relationship, you know, like these kind of things have to happen. And that takes time. So not only are reservists not going to be showing up in the same numbers as they were, but they're going to deal with like a massive suicide rate. And that's only going to get worse the more time that these guys are separated from what they've done or what happened. in Gaza and their time and service. Well, I really appreciate your time today, Greg, from the Flotilla, the global

Sumud Flotilla, sailing to Gaza to break the siege. Everyone can check out Colonial Outcast. I saw you did a podcast from the Flotilla as well, so committed to the game. Yeah, just to make sure that this would work. Exactly. It gave me a lot of confidence, but I'm so glad to be able to speak with you. and please stay safe and love and solidarity to everyone on the on the boats with you. Appreciate you.

All right. Thanks for having me on. Cheers, y'all. Cheers. We are back. We are about to head into the fun half where we will read your IEMs, maybe take a call or two. Very happy we were able to get Greg on. the show um and thanks to matt for getting that one shot with all the flotillas in the background

i mean uh incredible incredible bravery uh from everybody involved there and solidarity from here in new york uh it is about that time we're going to head into the fun half shortly matt what's happening on left reckoning uh yeah left reckoning we'll have another sunday show for patrons patreon dot com slash left reckoning uh this weekend uh check that up check that Out, and last night, or two nights ago, was Brian, won Brian Vokion. That's also true. Go check the Vod for the Tuesday night episode if you want to see Brian in the flesh. Brian, B-R-Y-A-N, V-L-K-E-Y, stand-up comedian, also producer of Majority Report here.

And, yeah, we talked about this elephant graveyard, disemboweling, really, of the whole Joe Rogan industry, comedy industry. and I'll also talk a little bit about Jimmy Doer and being in the military. So patreon.com social stuff reckoning. All right. Do we have Binder and Brandon? We do not. All right. Well, we'll head into the fun half and we will see them there.

See you on the other side, folks. Okay, Emma, please. Well, I just, I feel that my voice is sorely lacking in the majority report. Wait. What? Look, Sam is unpopular. I do deserve a vacation at Disney World. So, ladies and gentlemen, it is my pleasure to welcome Emma to the show. It is Thursday.

I think you need to take over for Sam, but that's police. Sir, I'm gonna, I'm gonna pause you right there. Wait, what? You can't encourage Emma to live like this. And I'll tell you why. So was offered a tour, sushi, and poker with the boys. Tour? Sushi and poker with the boys.

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I think you're responsible. I probably am in a certain way, but let's get to the meltdown here. Twir? Ugh. Sushi and poker with the boys. Oh my God. Wow. Sushi.

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It was so much easier. When the majority report was just you, you were happy. Let's change the subject. Rangers and Nick are going right. Now, shut up. Don't want people saying reckless things on your program. That's one of the most difficult parts about this show. This is a pro-killing podcast.

I'm thinking maybe it's time we bury the hatchet. Left is best. Trump. Violet twerk. Don't be foolish. And don't fucking tweet at me. And don't ditch. to the way that I was cut to all these people love it. That's where my heart is, so I wrote my honor's thesis about it.

Oh, she wrote an honest thesis. I guess I should hand the main mic to you now. You are to the right of the foreign policy. We already fund Israel, dude. Are you against us? That's a tougher question. I have an answer to you. Incredible theme song.

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