The Majority Report with Sam Seder - 3584 - Epstein Dominos Begin to Fall; Inside Idaho's Far-Right Hotbed w/ Michael Edison Hayden
Episode Date: February 19, 2026It's an Emmajority Report Thursday on the Majority Report: On today's show: Prince Andrew has been arrested following Epstein files revelations. Rep. Robert Garcia (D-CA) holds a press confe...rence after Les Wexner's closed door deposition probing his ties to Epstein. Rep. Garcia plainly states that there is Epstein traffic ring, island or private plane without the funding of billionaires like Wexner . Rep. Ted Lieu (D-CA) encourages the media to investigate the allegations made against Donald Trump in the Epstein files. Rep. Lieu also calls for the resignation of Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche over his illegal redactions of conspirator's names, the un-redaction of victims and his role in transferring Ghislaine Maxwell to a minimum-security prison. Michael Edison Hayden, investigative journalist on far-right extremists and co-host of the Posting Through It Podcast, joins Emma to discuss his piece in Mother Jones on the far-right takeover of northern Idaho. Itamar Ben-Gvir and his party are pushing for legislation allowing them to execute Palestinian political prisoners. In the Fun Half: Brandon Sutton and Matt Binder join the show. We take a look at some of the "highlights" of the Board of Peace event in Washington D.C. Including Trump getting horned up and then falling asleep and JD Vance bombing a joke about AOC. Trump signs executive order to increase carcinogenic herbicides and pesticides production in America. This puts RFK, Jr. in a lurch as his work to end glyphosate's use is his life's project. all that and more To connect and organize with your local ICE rapid response team visit ICERRT.com The Congress switchboard number is (202) 224-3121. You can use this number to connect with either the U.S. Senate or the House of Representatives. Follow us on TikTok here: https://www.tiktok.com/@majorityreportfm Check us out on Twitch here: https://www.twitch.tv/themajorityreport Find our Rumble stream here: https://rumble.com/user/majorityreport Check out our alt YouTube channel here: https://www.youtube.com/majorityreportlive Gift a Majority Report subscription here: https://fans.fm/majority/gift Subscribe to the AMQuickie newsletter here: https://am-quickie.ghost.io/ Join the Majority Report Discord! https://majoritydiscord.com/ Get all your MR merch at our store: https://shop.majorityreportradio.com/ Get the free Majority Report App!: https://majority.fm/app Go to https://JustCoffee.coop and use coupon code majority to get 10% off your purchase Check out today's sponsors: SHOPIFY: Sign up for a $1/month at shopify.com/majority SUNSET LAKE: Use code FlowerPower to save 30% on all CBD smokables at SunsetLakeCBD.com Follow the Majority Report crew on Twitter: @SamSeder @EmmaVigeland @MattLech On Instagram: @MrBryanVokey Check out Matt's show, Left Reckoning, on YouTube, and subscribe on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/leftreckoning Check out Matt Binder's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/mattbinder Subscribe to Brandon's show The Discourse on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/ExpandTheDiscourse Check out Ava Raiza's music here! https://avaraiza.bandcamp.com
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It is Thursday. February 19th, 2026. My name is Emma Bigeland, in for Sam Cedar, and this is the five-time award-winning majority report.
We are broadcasting live steps from the industrially ravaged Gowanus Canal in the heartland of America, downtown Brooklyn, USA.
On the program today, Michael Edison Hayden joins us to talk about the hotbed of far-rightly.
politics that exists in northern Idaho.
Also on the program, former Prince Andrew
arrested in the UK on suspicion of misconduct in office
due to his Epstein ties.
Billionaire Les Wexner,
listed as a co-conspirator in the files
and one of Bondi's improper redactions,
testified to the Oversight Committee
that Epstein duped him.
just he was so charismatic.
That's their excuse.
Sure.
Look at Wexner's message to Epstein in the birthday book.
Yeah.
The illustration he drew up by a woman's chest.
He let Epstein live in his house.
Despite the federal government claiming they've drawn down ice activity in Minnesota,
local reports show they've moved their activities just to the suburbs.
A federal judge in Minnesota finds a trump.
DOJ lawyer in civil contempt
for stealing an immigrants
identifying papers after
the judge ordered his release.
Even Trump supporters
are starting to express concern
about ICE buying up warehouses
in their neighborhoods.
Mostly for racist reasons,
but...
Property value reasons.
Yeah, well,
which is what I just said.
Related.
The White House has directed
DHS.
to target naturalized citizens with voter fraud investigations
for their past votes, which is just a brazen intimidation tactic.
CNN is reporting that Iran strikes are imminent,
but also that Trump is still weighing options,
which to me sounds like someone trying to lock Trump in
by saying that to CNN.
The U.S. is withdrawing nearly all of the 1,000 troops in Syria.
The so-called Board of Peace is meeting today.
But Mexico's Claudia Scheinbaum turned down Trump's invitation because Palestine was not included.
Please be our president instead.
Bernie Sanders held a rally in California in support of the state's proposed 5% tax on billionaires.
And lastly, South Korea's former president has been found guilty of insurrection and was sentenced to life in prison.
prison. All this and more on today's majority report. Welcome to the show, everybody. It's an
majority report Thursday. Well, I'm hosting today per usual, but Sam is still out this week. He'll be
out tomorrow. It's winter break here in New York for the kids. So Sam will be back on Monday with
us. The Jeffrey Epstein fallout, the dominoes that continue to fall. It's, you know,
is one of the top stories still in the country.
In Europe, we're seeing actual steps towards accountability
that the United States has not engaged in on this.
The Wasserman guy having to sell his agency
is the only thing we've seen,
the closest thing we've seen to actual,
and I guess Kathy Rumler losing her job at Goldman Sachs.
Larry Summers had to step down from Harvard,
but I mean...
But these are voluntary, like,
step of, like, there's no actual, like, investigations into these people.
Exactly.
It's, oh, they embarrass the institution that should have known better.
And there's no, no question.
Like, with Keir Starmer in the UK, acting like they're surprised that Peter
Mandelson was implicated in this, when he was picked by Keir Stammer, they were saying
he was, he was known as the Lord of the Dark Arts.
What dark arts did they think people were referring to?
It really is an example of the rod of American society that the impulse.
is to just let the market decide what the punishment is.
It really is a free market mentality.
You lose your job.
That's not what the justice system is.
These people need to be actually put through a court process and tried for their alleged
criminality because that's what justice actually is.
It's not just losing your fancy job and getting to remain a millionaire in your Palm Beach home.
There is a time that the state needs to kick people's doors down and gather evidence in their residences.
And we're way beyond that for this Epstein class.
So Prince Andrew, stripped of his titles, but not just that, arrested today on suspicion of misconduct while in office.
This is the first arrest of a royal since 1647 when Charles I was arrested during the English Civil War.
Yeah, pretty based thing.
I shout out John Milton, who was for the revolutionary Republican government.
one of their sort of spokespeople and indeed wrote the thing about how actually God would want us to be able to chop the heads off of kings.
We should probably engage in some of that discourse today.
It's, so it's seismic.
And it is bittersweet because I saw, you know, the family of Virginia Jufre, who was victimized by Prince Andrew, put out a statement.
And I wish she was still here to see this day.
But she's not.
She's one of the many people who mysteriously died in Jeffrey Epstein's wake.
Relatedly, there was a story in the Wall Street Journal that came out last night about Jean-Luc Brunel,
a French modeling agent who worked with Epstein.
He was a central figure in recruiting girls for Epstein's trafficking operation in Europe.
and the journal reported that he was secretly negotiating in 2016 with the lawyers that were representing Epstein's victims was going to cooperate, then went dark, and people may remember he was arrested in 2020 in France and mysteriously died in jail in 2022.
It's so odd how this keeps happening.
Man, these prisons, these deaths just keep happening.
I mean, we're told that these are supposed to be places of the utmost security, and yet all of these lapses continue to happen. It's odd. And so then you have billionaire Les Wexner, who testified to the House Oversight Committee yesterday. He was listed as a co-conspirator in the files, but he was redacted illegally, and Rokana ended up revealing him as one of the names that was illegally redacted by Pam Bondi's Department of Justice.
Wexner's trying to distance himself from Epstein.
He, in this testimony, which he did remotely,
to the House Oversight Committee,
was just talking about how he was duped by Epstein.
He said Epstein lived a double life,
and he was a master manipulator.
Those were his words.
Epstein lived in Les Wexner's home,
like Wexner's literal home.
Epstein managed Wexner's personal finances for over
decade. And as Matt mentioned earlier, Wexner alluded to their misdeeds in the birthday book that also
included, of course, the note from Donald Trump. And once again, Virginia Joufrey, very bravely pointed
out that Wexner, or came out and said Wexner was one of the people that Epstein forced her to have
sex with when she testified. Here's the illustration that Wexner, uh,
gave to Jeffrey in that birthday book,
Dear Jeffrey, I wanted to get,
I wanted to get you what you want.
So here it is.
And, oh, boobs.
Boobes, right.
Which, and he was indignant in his testimony
that he's never been unfaithful to his wife.
Ever, ever, ever, ever.
Don't believe you.
That illustration makes it seem like,
and the association with that scene,
I don't know, makes it seem like,
yeah, perhaps.
And Virginia,
phrase testimony about this. Maybe you're not telling the truth. So here is Representative Robert Garcia,
the top Democrat on the oversight committee, talking about this Les Wexner virtual testimony.
It's about a billion dollars that was either transferred, provided in stocks, or given directly
to Mr. Epstein by Wexner. Wexner. We should be very clear that the two,
who were very close per reporting.
They spent a lot of time together.
Mr. Wexer admitted that he traveled to both Epstein's island as well as his other properties.
Mr. Wexer also admitted that Jeffrey Epstein had access to a lot of Mr. Wexer's wealth.
And when asked even simple questions, even as it relates to Mr. Epstein being the co-president of the family,
that established the area that we're in today, Mr. Wrester had little to say.
In fact, it's clear that Mr. Wexer is trying to downplay how close Jeffrey Epstein and Mr. Wexter
actually were. And we should be very clear that there would be no Epstein Island,
there would be no Epstein plane, there'd be no money to traffic women and girls.
Mr. Epstein would not be the wealthy man he was without the support of Les Wexner.
I think it's very important for us to note at this moment.
In the 90s, Les Wexner gave Epstein the power of his power of attorney to sign contracts and do business dealings on Les Wexner's behalf.
Yeah.
I mean, it's it's a farce.
this thing of, oh, he was a con man.
I didn't do anything wrong.
I'm faithful to my wife.
I'll say, again, I don't believe him at all.
I think I suspect the absolute worst of Wexner's behavior when he went to Epstein.
But let's say, let's say that's true.
Why do we allow people like you to be so rich, Mr. Wexner?
Why do we allow this?
Why do we lower taxes for this class of people?
It's because they're supposed to be so great with allocating capital.
And yet, what do we find out that they're doing with it?
They're giving it to Jeffrey Epstein.
What's Elon Musk doing with on his Christmas?
He's trying to figure out when the wildest party is.
These people are parasites entirely, and they are criminals.
Like, this behavior that Epstein went for so long,
and you found out that he is like a bad guy or whatever, like 10 years or so ago,
whatever the story is,
didn't do much to, I mean, I guess you cooperated in 2019.
That's supposedly the story, right?
Like he...
Yeah, yeah.
After all of that.
And then he also claimed that because Epstein's money really came from Wexner, that those
millions and millions of dollars were essentially stolen from him by Epstein.
And the way, the reason they could be stolen, even if you believe that story, is because
you gave this pedophile sex trafficker, the power of attorney for you as a billionaire.
I mean, it's so unbelievable.
Billionaires should not exist because, again, like, the best case scenario here is they are lunatics that will turn over power of a attorney to a major sex trafficking conspirators, like, intelligence operative.
That's assuming they don't know it.
Assuming what they do with the money when they do know what they're doing with, it could be just as malicious.
And it's, they should not exist because having that level of wealth creates a psychosis.
it's a chicken or the eggs
situation and it doesn't really
matter either way. If you are a
sociopath, you have to be a
sociopath to be a billionaire or if a billionaire
being a billionaire makes you a sociopath,
it doesn't necessarily matter.
Yeah, I'll come to the same.
You are in such a
rarefied situation that
your only relationships with people
are like your servants or
they're entirely transactional
and everybody has to suck up to you where you
completely lose connection from a shared
to humanity. And that's why all these billionaires
are building their bunkers and fantasizing about going to other planets is because they are anti-humanity.
That is what that level of wealth and power does to you. And it's why you might be raping girls, for example,
because you don't have a connection to humanity anymore, given the amount of power that you and money that you've accrued.
Now, here's another clip from a Democrat representative Ted Liu. He is,
kind of imploring the media to look at some of the accusations against Donald Trump that are
in these files. Now, these are just allegations and accusations, but they're immensely
disturbing. And Ted Lou is pretty clear here in the severity of the allegations against Trump
that are in the files that we know about. So why are Republicans so interested in Bill and Hillary
Clinton? It's because they're trying to distract from the fact that Donald Trump is in the Epstein
files thousands and thousands of times. In those files, there's highly disturbing allegations
of Donald Trump raping children, of Donald Trump threatening to kill children. So I encourage
the press to go look at these allegations, and I'm highly disturbed that Deputy Attorney General
Tab Blanche just got the law wrong. Yesterday, he said essentially that it is not a crime
to party with Jeffrey Epstein.
Well, that's actually not correct.
If Jeffrey Epstein was human trafficking minors for these sex parties,
and you show up and patronize the establishment at that party, yes, you're guilty,
because patronizing is part of the law, the federal sex trafficking law.
So, Deputy General Toplin just got that wrong,
which maybe explains why they aren't investigating all these folks,
including Donald Trump. He needs to read the law and investigate these people. He also needs to
resign, not only for not knowing the law, but a massive, not only screw up, but the biggest
privacy violation in history, they release a lot of pictures of minors unredacted, just violated
the privacy of these girls. It is uncalled for what they did. The one thing that they could not do
under this law was to invade the privacy of these women now who were girls at times who were
victims of sex trafficking. Also, he met with Gila Maxwell, Maxwell, moved her to
military prison and then got a puppy for her. So for all those reasons, he's just got to leave the
Department of Justice. He's just, I mean, that like, both of these are so well done because
it is impossible when you have the fact pattern at your disposal to not articulate how incriminating
this is.
This is like how Obama became a populace because Mitt Romney just happened to have a car elevator
and said everyone didn't pay taxes.
And gifted the Democrats that Apo research with the 47% clip.
But I mean, two quick points.
The Clintons, I hope they go down and we'd never have to hear from them again after
next week.
I would love it if they completely imploded.
But it is important to note that the Republicans that are put in all this.
focus on them are doing so to obscure the implications this has for the like say Donald
Trump himself or Lutnik or Elon Musk, right?
So there's a there's both things can be true at the same time.
Exactly right.
And I do think that that point about the girls and how they specifically left their names
and then identifiers in the files needs to be hammered more where they were.
They redacted illegally the name of Les Wexner.
And what, Leon Black was another, I believe.
The guy who stepped down from the big shipping company.
Yeah, and it should be looked at as an intentional.
An intentional intimidation taxis.
The point is that they were very intentional in protecting the people illegally with those redactions, the billionaires.
specifically that we know about right i mean con they're making it so difficult for members of
congress to look through the unredacted files and they are also monitoring their activity as we
saw in the photo of pam bondi's notebook showing permilla giapal's search history through the files
yeah what she looked up what she looked up um they're monitoring the the people that actually want
to get to the bottom of this the representatives who they're targeting so they specifically redacted
the names of the billionaires.
And to scare the victims intentionally left their identifying information and they're
including for victims who hadn't come forward publicly.
It's retaliation and intimidation.
It is one of the, it should not be spoken about as sloppiness.
This is maliciousness and a deep, deep darkness that we're only scratching the surface of
with the Epstein files here.
In a moment, we are going to be speaking to our first guest, Michael Hayden, about his reporting on the far right and neo-Nazi hotbed in Idaho.
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Quick break and we'll be speaking with Michael Hayden.
We are back and we are joined now by Michael Edison Hayden,
investigative reporter on far right extremism,
co-host of the Posting Through It podcast,
whose peace in Mother Jones focusing on Northern Idaho is entitled, Who the F are These Men?
I know that you have a book coming out too in a few weeks, a few months on this very topic,
so everyone be on the lookout for that.
Michael, thanks so much for coming on the show.
Thanks for having me, Emma.
Of course.
So your article opens with this incident.
Let's pull this up here.
We're going to play this clip.
You included it in the article.
People may remember this.
This is from almost a year ago, exactly, February 2025, when there was this town hall at this county Republican town hall in Idaho.
And this woman was dragged out by this private kind of security force.
Let's play a little bit of that footage.
And then, Michael, I'd love your thoughts on it and for you to give us some details.
because this is the area of Idaho that your article focuses on.
is assaulted me. This man is assaulted me. You don't know. You refuse to identify yourself. Who are you?
Who are you?
Who are you? But the problem is, is this. So they ended up carrying her out there. We
played that incident on the show when when it happened um obviously with what we've seen with ice
and uh the the terrorizing of communities it almost you know it sheds i think a new light or colors it
differently because this was a preview of what was what was to come on the federal government level
but tell us about that incident and what really happened there yeah yeah i got to choose my words
carefully here because i don't want to be like oh i you know i was supposed to say i love this
this video because obviously it's horrible, right?
It's a horrible, horrible thing.
But what I like about it, I like it in terms of analyzing the current moment that we're in.
You got to remember this is like February 2025.
And the symbolism around that is so, it's just so heavy.
First of all, not knowing who is, who is messing with you here, right?
Yeah.
That had resonance throughout 2025 and into 2026, right?
It's been this hunt to try to figure out who killed Alex Prattie, who did, you know, right?
There's this secrecy coming from the sort of fascist right to use a, meaning that colloquially.
So that's one part of it.
Another thing is that Teresa being an outspoken woman and like how, yeah, it's horrible what's happening to her,
but also her strength in that moment to yell those things.
Also, the people behind her being her friends, knowing, she told them to film it.
And that's not on there.
It's just sort of like, you know, film this.
They're coming from me kind of thing.
And just to be yelling that also, knowing that it would be a moment that everybody would see.
I mean, she's really brave, I think.
And so just in terms of just practicality, that security.
firm is called Lear Asset Management.
And they've since been taken down a peg with just losing a lot of status, you know, as a company.
This group called KCRCC, which is sort of just the, they essentially run the Republican Party in North Idaho.
They brought them in.
There is a sheriff that they were closely aligned with.
and there are a lot of divisions between the sheriff and the Cordillane Police Department.
So Cudnay County Sheriff's Department and the local sheriff's department have issues.
And that's largely over this kind of purity spiraling that the right has been doing since Trump's rise,
where it's just like you're not extreme enough.
You're not far right enough.
Teresa had been known to these bodies that I mentioned because she had run for office a couple times and lost.
I mean, you know, you tend to do that in Idaho if you run as a Democrat.
And, you know, and she went to the town hall to speak up, basically.
She wanted to have her voice heard in that setting.
And she knew they probably wouldn't like it.
But what she didn't know was that they would come and try to literally physically rough her up like that.
And the fact that they did, I think, shows the difference between the first Trump administration and this one.
Just the belief that their authoritarian power could not be moved.
And what ended up happening in that incident?
I mean, with this private security company,
there are charges that were brought against them for brutalizing her
because this, they don't, this is just a private security company
and she was exercising her free speech.
You heard the speaker there mocking her for protesting.
And it seems like that, you know, the Republican Party,
the KC, RCC, just kind of directed this private security.
company to get her out.
Yeah.
I mean, there's been a series of charges and also the more important thing I think is
the civil case, you know, the civil cases which are still kind of going.
And we're still going to find out, I think, you know, what happens with her case.
The person who is, her lawyer is a person, do you recall, as any of this important context,
I think, for everybody, in 2020,
there was a pride event in
Carter Lane, Idaho, the same place.
And again, a lot of symbolism here as well,
which is there were always, I think,
31 Patriot Front members who had been put into a U-Haul
and they drove to the park
to kind of storm the park and make a big show of things.
Thank God.
There was no violence.
you know, it could have been, it could have seriously turned into violence had they not been arrested,
but the police, I believe, had been tipped off, if I recall correctly.
And so the, so around that same time, around the, the call for that, there was a whole bunch of stuff around pride and people saying, oh, you know, there's like, like, you know, they're grooming your children and this sort of thing.
that was like a very 22, 2022 line.
I mean, it still goes on, but it was very popular around then.
And there was a drag performer at that event as well,
who they claimed exposed their genitals to the crowd and to children or whatever else.
And that resulted in like a $1 million settlement.
And that lawyer is the same person who's representing Teresa in Idaho.
So this is like, this is a common occurrence where they come.
kind of go past the line of, of, of, of, you know, what would be just normal Republican politics,
which is already authoritarian and then make it like far more extreme.
Yeah, I mean, that incident, I remember and the imagery of that being quite horrifying,
these masked Nazis coming out of view halls and going into this, this pride event in Idaho,
was chilling and you wonder,
how many of these people in some of these
paramilitary right-wing groups
ended up just signing up to be ICE agents?
Since we don't know their identities,
it's probably a pretty good guess,
at the very least that Proud Boys and others
ended up signing up to be ICE agents.
But I wanted to...
If I may a comment about that.
Sure.
Sure.
Which is this is a regular thing
that Jared Holt and I talk about
on our podcast,
mostly through it, which is just like, we don't know.
We do know that proud boy activity is down.
We know that Patriot Front is still appearing at events,
but they're really less potent, it feels.
Their ability to go viral has gone down.
And yeah, we have all these masked guys showing up in these events.
We can't necessarily say that, oh, this guy was a proud boy,
and now he's an ice agent or something like that.
But we can say that some people who might have signed up for
the proud boys in the previous term or even during the Biden years now have a place to go where
they can get paid to be proud boys. So why wouldn't you do that, right? Like, why wouldn't you do that?
And that's why it's, that's why I think everything that is that that's covered in this story,
uh, I think is so relevant for the rest of the country. And that's why it's like, you know,
I'm glad Mother Jones invested this much time into sort of, you know, like sort of teasing out and
explaining it. Uh, because this is really happening.
in everybody's neighborhood that where it to some degree even if even if Idaho is more extreme
than the rest of the country it this type of thing is reflected in almost every area of the country
yeah we've been speaking on our show about how zoran mom downy's leadership in new york is
kind of a laboratory for future progressive governance uh i've been thinking about that word
laboratory a little bit and when i read your piece it occurred
to me that northern Idaho appears to be a laboratory for far right politics. You go through
many examples of this and how there have been more moderate efforts in the Republican wing that are
being destroyed now by like the insurgent kind of far right that continues to gain popularity
there. But it goes back even further. Take us to the 70s as neo-Nazis started to pour into
Idaho and what some of that history is. Yeah. This is, you know, this is a bit, you know,
this is this is a bit beyond most, probably most of your audience. I mean, I'm sure you have all ages.
Our audience is very, very, well, we have all ages. Oh, you mean age wise. I was about to suck up
to them for being smart enough to know some of this stuff. Oh, smart enough for sure. I just made like,
you know, that they didn't live through it and stuff like that. Because I did, you know, I didn't
live through most of it. Well, I lived through it. I just didn't know most of it was happening.
Yeah, I mean, there were, there was like, you know, Aryan Nations was, you know, a dominant,
neo-Nazi group that was, you know, really, really big in Idaho during the, you know, during the
80s. And it actually, you know, I used to work at SPLC. You know, they marched down the,
down the center of town, for example, in, in Cordillane with swastick.
flags and they used to show up actually in at street corners and things like that with like swastikas
and nobody would really do anything because partly because they're so afraid of them and they were
you know this is you know I want to make very clear that this is not this does not represent all
Idahoans it also doesn't represent all Republicans but I think it's useful to know for people that
that this was kind of like just going on and part of the community there you know in the
same way you would imagine something that, you know, some sort of vaguely left-wing thing would
happen in New York City, as you mentioned.
And it wasn't until an incident in which some members of Air Nations fired at a woman's car
and the law center, which is my former employer, they sued them successfully and sort of put
them under.
And then there was a brief period, a lull, if you will, in which
extremism was always there.
There was always like far right people,
but people believed it was sort of under control for a while.
And it wasn't until the period around the pandemic,
maybe a little bit before,
but it really, the pandemic was, you know,
lit a little fire for extremists,
which I'm sure you know.
And that's when it started to really grow.
You had a lot of people moving from out of state,
to Idaho because it's like a, you know,
this potentially a white homeland.
And that's really like where the story picks up.
Yeah.
And you cut out slightly.
I just wanted for people to know what you said.
Basically, there was a member of the Aryan nation that fired into a car and the
Southern Poverty Law Center.
Your former employer was involved in that case.
And, and I hadn't been aware of even,
the like the just explicit area nation leadership moving to Idaho in the 70s and then you have
one of an associate Randy Weaver who you talk about in the piece as well so this is like
multi decades of kind of maybe slower build up to this being a bit of a neo-Nazi hotbed but as
you you mentioned these this starts to pick up in the pandemic and you talk about a few different
people in the piece that some of our audience may be familiar with, including this guy, Martin
Selner.
Speak about his case.
Yeah.
Martin Selner.
Oh, my God.
So Martin Selner, and you guys can Google him and read his whole history.
I don't want to go into all of it.
But basically he was, you know, Generation Identity, I believe it's called.
It was like this sort of European Austrian, you know, white nationalist organization.
and, you know, he had a sort of superficially handsome face, I guess he would describe,
and, you know, made him as sort of a charismatic leader for that,
sort of around the same time that Richard Spencer was kind of rising in the United States.
Nobody punched Martin Selner, and there was no, like, backlash after a Charlottesville.
So he kind of, you know, continued on.
And with the except, his biggest problem, just if I can just, just,
quickly in judgment that he was he was in these conversations with the christ church terrorist yep right so
i just i just want to put that like that that was his like his his biggest downfall and um selner was uh you know
in a relationship an influencer himself as all these people are uh selner was a uh in a relationship with
brittany petibone which who was a kind of up-accoming trad influencer
of her own. And again, like, you know, superficially pretty enough to get like enough of a following,
right, for being, for being an influencer. And the two of them kind of connected. And, you know,
he, he wanted to get married to her and in Idaho. They wanted to do it in Idaho and have a big
wedding there, close to her home and everything. And he couldn't because he was on, you know,
kind of like a watch list type thing to get into the United States.
Because he was in conversations with the Christchurch shooter.
Yeah.
Yeah. Shooter and also like his whole background would help also inform that too, right?
The context of why he was in, he was connected to the Christchurch shooter was also informing that.
And yeah.
And they like, you know, the local Republican party stood up for Brittany Pettibone and said,
let her have her wedding here and and tried to make it an issue for them.
which seems like a weird thing to do, like an issue to choose to go on a limb form.
But here you have something that's connected to the mainstream Republican Party, right, in Idaho,
championing Brittany Pettibone, who herself is racist and had trafficked,
you know, had done a lot of traffic for the Pizagate conspiracy theory.
And then this guy who is, again, known to be a white nationalist.
That's his whole brand.
So I think that really says a lot.
Then there was a series of things that happened after that, that, you know, kind of made it worse, right?
There was like, you know, I go through it in the thing.
We mentioned the Patriot Front thing, but we didn't mention, for example, the event against the Utah women's basketball team in which a guy, you know, yelled extremely racist things, racist and sexist things at a black player for the U.S.
Utah women's basketball team.
And this was a huge scandal on a great embarrassment.
I want to just quickly interject for people who don't know that Cordillane is beautiful.
It's a beautiful city.
It used to be, make all its money from like mining and timber and all that type of thing.
And now it really relies on tourism.
And this is like a big problem because people get these headlines and they hear these things.
They don't want to go there for obvious reasons.
You've got a lot of gay couples, for example, who live in Seattle or places like that in surrounding area who might want to vacation there.
They don't want to go.
And part of it is because of this reputation.
And the people locally are trying to fight.
But you also are, I mean, the tourism that is being attracted is kind of like these now tradwife, right-wing influencers that are drawn to the reputation of neo-neutral.
Nazis having come out of this area of Idaho coming there.
They don't spend they don't spend as much money as as chores for big cities.
No, that's what I'm saying. They're outnumbered.
It's, but it's, you know, there's been reporting about other areas of the country where there
are efforts to create kind of white only communities in deep parts of the South as well.
This seems a little bit more formalized, though, because this low.
Republican Party is at and that the the I'm forgetting the acronym off the top of my head but
but CRCC there you go yeah they are that the the problem here to me appears to be that it's they've
completely this far right faction is completely taken over the local Republican Party I mean a
Nazi faction yeah it's bad um you know I'll just bring up my book strange people on the hill
in April it's a very similar situation and the reason why
That takes place in Berkeley Springs, West Virginia.
And there's a reason why these stories are situated there.
And that is because Morgan County, West Virginia, is 90% white.
And North Idaho is around 90% white.
And they look at the map in the United States, and they're like, where can we even go with these things?
And what I find so interesting about it, and myself, it's like, you know, I'm mixed.
my mother's an Egyptian immigrant.
You know, I'm culturally white, but like, you know,
I'm a product of the great replacement, basically.
You know, and, you know, I look at it.
What I find so interesting about it are white people in these areas
who have voted Republican for a long time,
who are forced to draw a line.
And there's like so much for me, there's just so much drama around that,
where it's just sort of like,
It's like, wait, hold on. You know, I voted for Trump. And, you know, I like Trump and I watch Fox News, but like at some point I need to draw a line. And the tension around that is, I just find very compelling. And sometimes you hear stories about, you know, from these areas that I find really moving. And then also others that I find really depressing where it's just they're willing to go along with white nationalist talking points because they think that that is the other people are.
anti-Trump. And that is the really depressing reality of our of our country right now.
You also talked with this guy, Dave Riley here, who his ideology, it seems like it's pretty
aligned with this kind of emerging element on the far right, Fuentes associated, a bit of a
Catholic supremacist as well. And yeah, and deeply anti-Semitic.
as well.
Oh, yeah.
That's the main thing.
Yeah.
Talk about his ideology and what your conversation was like with him, who's, you know,
obviously at Idaho, you know, Idaho based.
Yeah.
Riley is, okay, well, I mean, just some quick background on Riley.
He's one of the people who came from out of state to kind of, to be like, this is a place
I can, I can kind of move in and do things.
And he, yeah.
He defines himself as a Catholic, for sure.
His original brand was around white nationalism.
That's kind of the way he would have, you know,
I don't know if he would have said that as much,
but he was in discords and stuff like that,
where they were kind of planning the original United
the Right rally back in the day.
And he sort of reinvented himself as a sort of Catholic nationalist
of the way he describes himself.
But it's really, he's really centered on the conspiracies around Jewish.
people. And when I met him, I met him in this bar, outdoor bar called Whispers, which,
you know, they're playing like, you know, hearts power ballads out in the lobby and like,
it was out on a beautiful deck in this, in this resort in Cordillane. And he's wearing like a
huge crucifix around his neck. Like if it were diamond, you'd think he was, you'd think he was
like Playboy Cardi or something.
And, you know, he was, you know, he's like everything goes back to Jews.
And he is under the belief, you know, this is a place with very few Jews.
And he feels like he can really make inroads around that.
And on the other side of this is a conflict with a far right Christian Zionist movement in North Idaho.
And I think it's impossible to talk about Riley and, you know, his activism without talking about them.
Because there's a church called Candlelight Church.
I was, you know, when I went there, they told me, like, you know, they told us to essentially, not pray to Samuel Alito, but they put up a big picture of him.
Yeah, no, no, there's like a big picture of Samuel Alito.
It's in the, it's in the story.
You got to like squint.
but there's like it goes by really quickly.
I blew it up.
Yeah.
Fergonia.
So they put a picture of Samuel Alito and they're like, they want to pray for him.
And they're like, we forgive him for being Catholic or whatever.
But like, you know, we hope that this man can, you know, do the right thing and he's hard or whatever.
And, yeah, they have a huge Israel flag on the side of the stage.
I mean, like, monsterized.
It's not like, oh, we start.
support Israel with like a little thing. There's just like huge, huge flag. And, you know,
locally, Riley has been a war with the pastor there, this guy named Paul Van Nuoy. And it is this
conflict between sort of philosemitic, far right, or a far, phosomatic far right church and
like a kind of anti-Semitic activism in which everything is centered around the, you know, the problems in
your life that you're having right now, the Jews are responsible for that, you know.
And it's, for me, it's, it's, it's, it's so tiresome and awful.
Um, I've heard so much of it.
And it's, and there are very few Jews in the area.
And if you were Jewish, you know, I would want to leave.
Like I would, you know, I would not want to be there.
Of course.
Yeah.
Because it's like, you know, and it's sad.
That's sad.
We should not have places in the country where you want to do this.
Also, the other thing he's, he's wearing CAFEA.
He's like, you know, he's, he's really involved himself in like, you know, Palestine and stuff.
tried to relate to me on that because on my mother's side we do have Palestinians and you know
they it is it is the clearest example I can think of uh actually where people have taken the
conflict that emerged after October 7th and the genocide in Gaza and exploited it really for their
own ends because the you know this this activism does not help the call no it hurts it
It's just, it almost is, it would be,
turd in the punch bowl is what Alex Jones calls.
Yeah, it would, if, if like the deep state was trying to discredit the pro-Palestine movement,
they would elevate guys like this, Nazis wearing Kaffia.
It's really disgusting.
Yeah, and I don't see anybody, you know, around him on his side,
advocating that North Idaho become a place where we take in a bunch of.
Arab refugees.
I don't see that.
Right.
It's like, we'll let them, let everybody die there so we can blame Israel for this and we can
continue to punish the Jews at home.
I don't see anybody be like, oh, how do we help them?
How can I relate to them personally?
It doesn't really, you don't really see that.
So yeah, I mean, like, this is, this environment is not healthy for anybody who is, you know,
a so-called normie, whether you're the type of person who voted for Mitt Romney in 2012.
I had to think for a second if it was 2012 when Mitt Romney ran a while ago.
Yeah, I mean, most of these people did, right?
So this is not healthy.
It's not healthy psychologically for people.
I mean, having covered this material for a long time, you know, it's taken a toll on me, really.
I mean, I know how difficult community, like, kind of live in this world where you're hearing this stuff all the time.
And that's what a lot of people are subjected to in Cordillane and North Idaho and in rural places all around the country where whites are a majority, where Republicans dominate and there's very little opposition.
It is Trumpism has started to mutate.
And that is essentially what the story is about.
On the topic of that mutation, how has the Epstein, how have the Epstein revelations impacted some of these guys?
I mean, I would imagine that for the anti-Semitic white nationalists, they have opinions about Jeffrey Epstein that are pretty anti-Jewish.
But also, their god king, Donald Trump, is heavily implicated in it.
and the cover-up has been so brazen and obvious.
Like, has it caused any dissonance in their minds?
That's really funny that you mentioned that because I was going to go,
I was called to speak for a class in Columbia yesterday.
And the topic was something else.
And then they're like, at the last minute,
I'd be like, do you mind talking about Epstein instead?
We're just like, everybody.
It is, it is the dominant, it's the dominant story right now.
It is, it really is.
And I think broadly what I would say, you know, you can, you can imagine what, what some of the folks on Riley side would say about Epstein without even, you don't need to even look it up.
You just already know, you've already intimated it in the question.
I think what is happening to Trump's base broadly, and I think this is like, you know, just to kind of, you know, stand back a little bit is that the core, it remains on,
but we are seeing like a little bit of if you ever like if you ever see like a wound
which is a good way to describe the mecca base but like you know when it's like it heals over
time you see like the like the edges the center is is still like tender for a while but the edges
start to fade a little bit that is kind of like what's happening I think a little bit and it's
too early to say that MAGA is done or something because the Epstein things but I've never seen
anything quite as damaging as this.
And I think it's, it's, there is sadly a strong anti-Semitic conspiratorial base in,
within the base.
And, and Trump, Trump's failure to respond.
If you recall, he had that, there was that Wall Street Journal thing with a, with a drawing,
right, and stuff like that.
The first reaction to that was just kind of like, oh, people draw anything, whatever.
It was just like, don't, it's just like, don't,
It's fake.
La, la, la, la, la, la, la, I don't hear it.
I think his son went on TV and said that, you know, my, he only...
My dad doesn't even like to draw.
My dad doesn't even like to draw.
He only draws buildings or something like that.
Yeah, but you couldn't quite, you didn't quite, you couldn't shake the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the drawing, the breast was very small.
And, like, it looked, you know, it just didn't look great.
And, you know, it's no, you can't.
prove anything with that, but it didn't look great. And, you know, even though the first response
was kind of like, I don't want to, I don't see no evil here, no evil. I do think it started to
penetrate there. And then over time, as it became clear that he really was trying to keep this
stuff out and there's so much of it, I really do think it's impacting people. And you know,
the best thing, actually Steve Bannon. Sorry, did I, did I freeze there for a second? Yeah,
you're back now. You're back, though. Yeah. Okay. I'm sorry.
Yeah, I'm normal on my side.
I don't know what, like, it would happen.
It was just a quick glitch, but you just said at Bannon and Epstein's correspondence.
Yeah, I think Bannon is a really good example of this because this is a guy who essentially, you know, you could write a version.
You could, you know, argue a version of this in which Bannon himself created MAGA, right?
Like, he is so, he's so influential and he's so important.
And, you know, he's been the driver of so many events over the years, including things like,
you know, the, you know, the January 6th stuff and everything like that.
And you have people publicly, I mean, Elon Musk, who is in the files himself,
kind of blaming Bannon and trying to say, like, you know, trying to scapegoat him.
And, you know, I think it's a way to distance himself from it, of course.
And but you have it like regular guys like in the movie like calling for Bannon and, you know,
to be cast aside.
and you know it's bad because people who work with Bannon are being hounded online.
You see people like Jack Pizobic who works for, you know,
who appears regularly on his war room show.
Like people in his replies are saying things like you,
you associate yourself with Steve Bannon.
Like, we don't want you.
So this is,
this discord does not seem like something that is easily repaired and put together.
That doesn't mean that MAGA isn't still incredibly powerful.
I think it, I think it, I think it very,
much is.
But yeah, and they, you know, locally in Idaho, yeah, I mean, you're going to feel those
type of things over there, too.
There's a kind of paranoia around these things, you know, like some people are listening
to Nick Fuentes and Nick Fuentes is telling you, I don't want to vote for that.
I don't want to vote for that anymore.
Like, no one should vote for this party anymore.
That has huge reverberations because Riley and his ilk, they really look up to Flentes.
lastly on this because we just had a and i am and i'm not sure what dan the birdman is referring to
but they said ask michael about the greater idaho movement does that fit into your reporting
i don't know enough about that to comment i just i don't want to say so i don't want to like
do the thing where i like pretend to know enough so i don't know enough about the greater idaho
movement to i don't know anything so fair enough um but uh dan
the Birdman, maybe that's a topic for another episode. Michael, thank you so much for your time today.
You can read this full piece in Mother Jones and then, of course, be on the lookout for your book
that's coming up in April, you mentioned. Yeah, April 7th, strange people on the hill.
It is about, if you're familiar with Peter Brimlow of Veedier, they purchased a castle,
a beautiful historic castle that really should be for everyone. It should be a public park,
my opinion.
And they put it on, you know, it's situated on a hill that overlooks this tiny tourist town.
And it's about what happened to the people in the town after that from 2020 to the end of the 2024 election.
Awesome.
All right.
Well, I'm Michael Edison-Haden investigative reporter on far right extremism.
Co-host of the posting through it podcast.
You can read the piece in Mother Jones.
We'll link to it down below.
Appreciate your time today.
Thanks so much.
Thanks, Sam.
I really appreciate it.
Of course.
We're going to head into the fun half shortly, but I did want to just quickly cover this because we had a guess that was unfortunately had a travel issue so had to reschedule, but we were going to be talking about the IDF borrowing ICE technology and learning from from ICE.
So I wanted to make sure that we're continuing to check in with Israel, our wonderful ally over there.
and their continued genocide in Gaza during the ceasefire that is not a ceasefire,
their belligerents in Lebanon, their desire.
Their manipulation of our government toward striking Iran.
Iran, exactly right, as Trump is weighing whether or not he's going to strike Iran again over the weekend.
You have in Israel right now this fight in the Knesset because they're considering a series,
of bills
and one of them
is a bill
that grants
the Israeli government
the ability
to
impose the death penalty
on Palestinians
and this
the Palestinians
that would be
subjected to the death
penalty
and this is
for Palestinians
in the illegally
occupied West Bank
in East Jerusalem
because of course
Gaza is just an
open air
extermination
camp at this point.
So now they're legislating over occupied territory.
That is not legally theirs, but they did just last a few days ago approve for the annexation
of huge swaths of the West Bank.
But they've been, East Jerusalem and the, and the West Bank have been illegally occupied
since 1967.
Right.
The only reason they haven't annexed it really is because one, there's two reasons, really.
The polite reason that liberal Zionists would point out is that they don't want to go against the international community.
The real reason that hasn't happened until now is because they've been a little bit squeamish about taking in so many Palestinians.
Because that is just the acceptance of apartheid.
That's why Amnesty International has belatedly in recent years come out and said, yes, this is apartheid.
It's because when you take in, if those are people just you're occupying because it's a security threat, you don't need to count them as your demographics.
This entire so-called conflict is actually a demographic control operation by a settler colonial project that wants those people removed.
And now it's just going to take them over because who cares?
Who cares about democracy?
Who cares about one person, one vote?
Nobody that supports Israel does, which means the whole Republican Party and a lot of Democrats.
And what you just said reminded me also of another horror story, which is that Netanyahu, him.
is trying to assert the authority to revoke the citizenship of the Palestinian citizens of Israel
and just send them either to Egypt, send them to Gaza, send them to the West Bank potentially
because how Israel has been able to maintain the lie that it's a democracy is that they
have a small Palestinian minority within the like boundaries of Israel.
that they are our second-class citizens.
But now this is like when we talk about ICE
and immigration enforcement here in the United States
and how citizenship is used to tier people's rights
and create lower-class citizens,
and when we talk about the parallels with the Nuremberg laws
in the United States,
where Jewish citizenship was stripped
as a way to remove their rights as a prelude,
to the Holocaust.
This is a tactic to make sure that people have fewer protections.
That's what the Netanyahu specifically is trying to push for.
But then you have Ben-Gavir to get back to this story.
And his party, I think that it's the Jewish Power Party is what it translates to.
He's been pushing for this for years, Ben-Govir, to advance legislation to allow for the death penalty for
Palestinians in the West Bank and East and illegally occupied West Bank in East Jerusalem.
But it would make the death sentence mandatory for Palestinians in those two areas if they
kill an Israeli and if it's determined that it's motivated by nationalism, hostility,
or political ideology, which Israel would call terrorism, we would call uprisings against
this illegal occupation.
Now, Israel's not carried out an execution in more than 60 years in their territory, but obviously they're committing genocide.
So those are executions.
But this is almost just like more formalizing their brutality, even more so.
So Navarro Media posted this kind of compilation, and I'll read over the captions because it's for the podcast audience.
But here is Ittmar Ben-Gavir bragging about the torture of Palestinian prisoners as they're trying to advance this bill on the death penalty.
Death to terrorists, they need to be executed.
We are on the eve of Ramadan and we're seeing operations in the prison surface behaving against the terrorists, the murders, the low lives, the cursed.
This is, yeah, explaining how they're should.
showing all this footage of abusing
Palestinian detainees. There are no more fairy
tales, no canteens, no cigarettes,
no education, no visits.
There's food, 23 hours
in the cell, one
hour in the yard, seven minutes for a shower.
Pause just for a sec.
This is a guard telling
Ben Gavir about how
bragging about how they're abusing Palestinian
prisoners and Ben Gavir says
thank God in response.
Keep going.
The mattresses are outside the cell.
meaning they're not taking any afternoon naps
when you see on the right
is a picture of the new Gaza so they'll understand
now
pause it this is also
what they've been doing is
they've been showing displaying images
for the prisoners that they're torturing
Gaza being flattened
that's what he's bragging about there here he says
they need to be executed
by hanging by lethal injection
or by electric chair
the main thing is
to execute them.
So these are
the images of the prisons, the
torture dungeons
that Israel has thrown Palestinians
into. This
compilation we don't need to show anymore.
I mean, this is the government
that is, if we strike around,
we move in aircraft carriers
because of the threat to this
type of way of life.
There should be,
these people, the Israelis,
Ben-Gavir, should not have a monopoly
Leo Forrest backed up by the American taxpayer in that region.
If they hadn't been given that for the past 75 years at the cost of hundreds of billions
of dollars, this wouldn't exist.
And put this image up really quickly.
You'll see what's on his collar.
That's a gold news.
So really since December, Ben Gavir and other members of the Israeli right have been wearing
golden nooses around
golden noose lapels
to indicate their support for
the death penalty of
Palestinians engaging in resistance
and
later in the video this
Novara compilation
by the way doing great work over there in the UK
Navarra media
shows the footage of
the Palestinian prisoner
being raped
by guards where they put up their
shields, but you can still see the rape happening. And the rapists are now celebrities in
Israel. They've unmasked themselves because there's shame. The Israeli population likes it.
And they've been going on television and bragging about the fact that they've raped this
Palestinian prisoner. So let's take them seriously when they talk about sexual assault as just
for continuing to give them bombs.
Let's just take that seriously, not question that,
and actually smeared the people as anti-Semitic
who questioned that propaganda narrative.
That, uh, subscribed to by, I mean, who were some of the leading lights
that like the CEO type people?
I forget what her name is.
I won't see some more documentaries about propaganda for Israel.
Yeah, yeah.
All right.
Well, with that, that wasn't.
fun half material, so
wanted to make sure that
we got that in the free part of the show.
Yeah, and this too, from the river to the sea.
Exactly.
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Whoa.
Hey.
Peter near you.
Uh,
to Peter knew you.
What's up?
Uh, how are you guys doing?
Well, I'm doing pretty well.
And I will say just at the top of the show, next week is my birthday.
And so I'm in an especially good mood because, you know, not only is it Pisces season, but another, another famous Pisces had a big birthday today.
And that's former Prince Andrew.
Uh, so let's.
Happy birthday.
Surprise.
He's arrested on his birthday.
That's awesome.
I love it.
Happy birthday, Bozo.
Probably saved some, I mean, the type of things he does on his birthday, I imagine
you probably, you know, avoid some crimes.
Yeah, right.
Nothing to add to the ledger.
He's, I mean, he may not be able to sweat, but he's going to be sweating in prison, I feel
like that royal.
You can sweat now.
It's a miracle.
I mean, his, right.
Right. God, that guy's hands are probably softer than like a five-year-old child.
He's never done anything hard and hard work in his life.
And he, the facing prison, you know, kind of, kind of love to see it.
What kind of prison that would they even throw a royal in?
I don't know.
Put him in the tower. Put him in the tower.
Yes.
Put his head on the bridge.
Yeah, I've been saying they need to put him in one of those iron masks that they, you know, used to do for like Elon and Griffith from Bersert.
That being said, apparently he could get.
get life. He could get life for this misconduct charge.
That's unbelievable. But I'm saying like the Tower of London, I feel like has fallen out of like the
cachet. People don't really talk about anymore. What better way to sort of juice that as another
tourism spot than have him shackled there so people can pass him on the way to like get like
concessions or something. Well, this is a serious crime. So they're talking about like sentencing him to like,
you know, wander the lawless wastelands of Florida. The ultimate crime for the ultimate crime. You just have
to live in Palm. You'd have to live in like Tampa Bay or something. I just love the idea that this is like an old-timey
freak show carnival when you go to the Tower of London. Step right up and see shackled Prince Andrew the
pedophile. They should just make him a cashier at Tesco. That would make him more miserable than anything
on earth. That's true. Actually, streamer, it's pronounced pedophile over there.
Oh, I'm so sorry. That being said, though, I mean, honestly,
I think if he's in jail, regardless of whether or not is for misconduct or not,
if he's in jail and might be questioned for Epstein, he better really watch out.
He better hope he's on display.
Makes it harder for actions.
That's true.
That might protect him, making him a tourist destination.
With all things said, though, at least they're doing something about it over there, right?
I know.
It's almost weird to see.
It's crazy.
Anyway, we'll talk about this all and more in the fun half.
Matt Binder, what's happening with you?
YouTube.com slash Matt Binder tonight, 8.30 p.m. left as mafia.
All right.
Brandon, what's happening on the discourse?
Oh, yeah.
Well, I mean, we're going to do a lot of fun stuff over the next week because I'm the kind of person who celebrates my birthday over multiple days.
So you'll just have to tune in over on YouTube and Twitch at The Discourse with Brandon.
I will say we are on the road to 20K.
And so if you want to be one of the first 20K people to be a discourse member so that in a few weeks from now, when we're at 2 million, you can tell all your friends like, yeah, I was an early adopter.
He's not cool anymore.
He used to be a lot smarter.
He used to say a lot more slurs before he got popular.
Like, you have only a few more days to get up in Adam.
So yeah, definitely check it out.
People are loving it.
There's a new Alex Jones clip that I put up right before we got on here.
Well, I saw you were on Crystal Kyle and Friends.
That was pretty fun.
Now, you know, good advertising for the discourse.
Yes, it is absolutely.
Like I said, I'm always willing to go places when I'm invited.
And I loved to be the friend between Crystal and Kyle.
It was a very engaging conversation.
And definitely check it out over there.
And I'm going to post it too.
And I know my tone of voice can be a little rye and dry, but I'm serious.
I thought it was really, you know, great.
I thought it was really great.
And once again, you're always making points that I've never, I never thought to think of or make me see something differently.
So I'm saying, I'm giving you a compliment.
Okay.
It's my birthday.
I deserve them.
Yeah.
Too much emotional exposure.
Okay.
We're going to head into the fun half.
Maybe we will try to take some calls today because we haven't all week.
So we will call into the phones.
See you in the fun half.
Okay, Emma, please.
Well, I just, I feel that my voice is sorely lacking in the majority report.
Wait, whoa.
Look, Sam is unpopular.
I do deserve a vacation at Disney World.
So, ladies and gentlemen, it is my pleasure to welcome Emma to the show.
It is Thursday.
I think you need to take over for Sam.
That's police.
Sir, I'm going to pause you right there.
Wait, what?
You can't encourage Emma to live like this.
And I'll tell you why.
So it's offered a twerk, sushi, and poker with the boys.
Twerp, sushi, and sushi, and poker.
That's what we call bids.
Dwerp, sushi.
And I think that what you did to Tim Poole was mean.
Free speech.
That's not what we're about here.
Look at how sad he's become now.
You shouldn't even talk about it because I think you're responsible.
I probably am in a certain way, but let's get to the meltdown here.
Dwerp, sushi, and poker with the boys.
God.
Twere?
Wow.
Sushi.
I'm sorry.
I'm losing my fucking mind.
Someone's offered a twir?
Yeah.
Sushi and poker with the boys.
Logic.
Twerk.
Sushi and poker.
I think I'm like a little kid,
little kid.
I think I'm like a little kid.
People just don't understand.
I'm not trying to be a dip right now,
but like, I absolutely think the U.S. should be providing me with a wife and kids.
That's not what we're talking about.
It's not a fun job.
Twirt.
That's a real thing.
That's a real thing.
Willie Walker.
Twirl.
That's a real thing.
That's a real thing.
has like the weight of the world on the shoulders.
It was so much easier.
One of the majority of the majority report was just you.
You were happy.
Let's change the subject.
Rangers and Nick's going right.
Now, shut up.
Don't want people saying reckless things on your program.
That's one of the most difficult parts about this show.
This is a pro-killing podcast.
I'm thinking maybe it's time we bury the hatchet.
Left is best.
Trump.
Violet twerk.
Doer.
He's real.
Incredible theme song.
I bumbler.
Emma Viglin, absolutely one of my favorite people.
Actually, not just in the game, like period.
