The Majority Report with Sam Seder - 3587 - Trump's Tylenol Turmoil; Dr. Mo Returns from Gaza; Representing Blue Dots w/ Dr. Mohamed Mustafa & Jennifer Welch

Episode Date: September 23, 2025

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It is Tuesday, September 23rd, 2025. My name is Emma Vigland, in for Sam Cedar. And this is the five-time award-winning majority report. We are broadcasting live steps from the industrially ravaged Gowanus Canal in the heartland of America, downtown Brooklyn, USA. On the program today, Dr. Muhammad Mustafa, an Australian ER doctor who just finished two missions in Gaza and is now working to get a children's hospital built. He'll be with us in studio. And later in the show, Jennifer Welch of the I've Had It Podcasts joins us to make fun of some right-wingers, of course. Also on the program, ABC announces they're bringing Jimmy Kimmel's show back, after overwhelming backlash from Hollywood and basically anyone that cares about free speech.

And FCC chair Carr is now claiming that his We Can Do This the Easy Way or the Hard Way comments about Kimmel weren't meant as a threat. How silly of us to interpret it as such. But Sinclair, which operates dozens of ABC affiliates will not air the show and next star the conglomerate desperate for Trump

to approve their merger is still silent Trump used his platform yesterday to baselessly link Tylenol use during pregnancy to autism more on that in the second meanwhile the Defense Department

shelves its planned cleanup of forever chemicals at over 100 military sites more cancer for our veterans in the surrounding areas. Is that a Central Make America Gray again, promise? Democrats launch a probe into Tom Holman for taking, allegedly, a $50,000 cash bribe from an undercover FBI agent. Trump's executive order declaring Antifa as a domestic terrorist organization

appears to be totally unenforceable, but it keeps them busy signing things. It's what I like to do. I think Joy and Ear, Joy Bihar's Antifa. I said it to me so. Antifa Joy.

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Tuesday whoa shocker I know Sam is out today for Russia Shana happy holidays to the Cedar clan hello to Matt hello to Brian and we will have

Dr. Mo Dr. Muhammad Mustafa with us and just to bit in studio. So that's the perk of Sam being out. He gets to sit in the big chair. There's a power vacuum that's going to be filled. Exactly. Looking forward to chatting

and having the treat to have an in-person guest today. And then of course, Jennifer Welch, been a long time coming, having her on the show. Very exciting. Very exciting. So, as I mentioned, yesterday, Trump and RFK Jr. held

a press conference where they linked Tylenol to autism. because RFK Jr. had a hard deadline from Trump. Harder than the deadlines Trump imposes on himself for things like tariffs. All of those are very... Two weeks or two months.

They're semi-hard to soft deadlines. And... But Bobby had to deliver for him here. He apparently found the cure for autism in less than a year with his work as HHS Secretary. And I find it interesting. interesting that they are kind of naming the brand specifically and not the active ingredient.

I mean, they're doing both. But Trump is, this is not what a lawyer would advise. It's literally because he can't pronounce a Cetaminephine. Okay. That's why he's saying it. And there's a video of him trying to pronounce a Cedomenephine, but we'll play it now because I was not sure if I wanted to play this if I couldn't stick the landing of pronouncing it myself.

But thanks, Brian, for dipping his toe in first. This is Trump yesterday at the press conference speaking about this. Effective immediately, the FDA will be notifying physicians at the use of acetyl, well, let's see how we say that. Acetaminophen. Is that okay? Which is basically commonly known as Tylenol during pregnancy. can be associated with a very increased risk of autism. Very, oh, wow.

What was his mother taking? Very increased risk. Sounds very scientific, sir. His mother's like, you know, I, I just kept it to one bottle of wine a day, okay? Exactly. And he turned out great. That's a spurious allegation. I was just joking around.

It's just a joke. We have no proof of that being the case. Anyway, that was an insane moment. I feel like the science just washed over me, listening to that beautiful mind speak. Here he is with more evidence as to why this is the case, citing Cuba as an example of a place. He both cited Amish people and Cuba as places that don't are as a country. Amish people don't get ADHD and Cubans don't get autism. Yeah. According to him, also, there are

could be factors, by the way, in that Amish claim and that there's a more enclosed kind of gene pool, the fact that there's maybe less variance, but also, dude, they have lower reporting of cases of autism because they don't engage with modern science and medicine in the same way. Pretty weird, pretty weird. It's the same way he viewed COVID. It's like if Amish people don't report autism, it doesn't exist. here he is now talking about

how Cuba doesn't have autism apparently this country is going through what parts of the world are going through and I will say there are parts of the world that don't take Tylenol I mean there's a rumor and I don't know if it's so or not that Cuba Can I stop you there Mr. President?

Rumor? There's a rumor and I don't know if it's true or not why is this being brought up I mean the lack of responsibility with using the bully pulpit like this to speak about medicine, it's just so irresponsible. And we'll get to how

they actually kind of know that they're being dishonest. Their own paper on this has a little paragraph that shows that they're being untruthful. But, I mean, let's let him riff on important public health information. He sets it up. We don't have this in the beginning. He goes,

Bobby wants to be careful about his words, but I won't. That's literally what he said. That's a promise. This country's going through what parts of the world are going through And I will say there are parts of the world that don't take Tylenol. I mean, there's a rumor, and I don't know if it's so or not, that Cuba, they don't have Tylenol because they don't have the money for Tylenol,

and they have virtually no autism, okay? Tell me about that one. And there are other parts of the world where they don't have Tylenol, where they don't have autism. That tells you a lot. Cuba has an autism rate of 83.3 per 10. thousand children in 2023, according to data from the autism and developmental disabilities monitoring network, the U.S. rate was 80.90. The same data shows. So that's more than the

United States. Secondly, they don't have the brand name Tylenol. Why might that be? Could it be they don't have the money for it? They can't afford it. That the Republicans and, you know, that was one of the better things Obama did too, was trying to normalize relations with Cuba and Biden scrapped that and Trump has been even more hawkish. We have a half century's long collective punishment policy toward Cubans basically restricting all sorts of products on them

because we don't like that they overthrew a sort of I mean a slave society. And they didn't like that, you know, capitalists couldn't get a piece of the pie, whether it be drilling in Cuba or their natural resources. Or their casinos that they had in Cuba before under the Batista regime.

So that's why they don't have Tylenol, not because they're too poor. In fact, fact, they may be, yeah, poorer than the United States because of the embargo we're talking about, but their health care outcomes lap ours, their life expectancy, their educational outcomes, better than the United States. Now, obviously, these, we have to treat these kinds of statements with a bit of care, unlike the administration, because we're talking about medical information here. So acetaminophen, all right, I'd said it, which is the active ingredient in Tylenol that

he's referring to, is an essential medicine that prevents fevers. And in pregnant people, high fevers can pose a risk to the fetus. And Tylenol is important because ibuprofen, another option for, say, pain relief and fever reduction is not, that's Advil, that's Motrin, that's not safe for people who are pregnant. Tylenol had been considered, is considered, a safer option in that way. And this was backed up by this large study by the Swedish University and Drexel, where they looked at 2 million children in Sweden and they took the genetics and they took a family environment into account.

And they found no link between acetaminophen exposure and increased risk of autism. But there is that study that Sam did talk about, I believe, or at least the litigation surrounding some of this where they were not successful yesterday. But here is Dr. Ann Bauer, the co-author of the study that they keep citing here, the study that looked at the use of acetaminopin during pregnancy. Speaking to CBS, there was some quote in another publication where she said she was sick to her stomach. that her paper was being used in this way. And this is her, the doctor explaining what the findings actually said. We begin tonight at the White House where President Donald Trump held a press conference focused on autism.

During his remarks, he suggested a possible link between the use of acetaminopin during pregnancy and an increased risk of autism in children. Today I spoke with the co-author of a study published last month in the journal Environmental Health. Now, the research linked prenatal use of acetaminopin to an increased incidence of disorders from autism and ADHD. But today, Dr. Anne Bauer stressed to me that the link she found requires a lot more research. The risks that we identified were modest, particularly for short-term use. When we see the highest risk is for people who use it for an extended period of time. So I don't think that mothers should get hysterical if they're pregnant and have used it for a day or here or there.

But they should not be using it as the first line of defense of any minor discomfort that they experience. They should be trying to use non-pharmaceutical interventions first. But it has its time and its place. While we strongly support precaution and warning pregnant women about the use of acetaminophen during pregnancy for things like nuisance pain and mild discomfort, acetaminephine is really one of the only tools we have for pregnant women. They are not allowed to use ibuprofen or aspirin during pregnancy. And things like high fever and extreme pain can cause severe outcomes and harm fetal development. Now, there should be a discussion between a woman and her physician before she takes it.

But I think doctors are afraid to have even mentioned this in the past because they don't want to lose this tool in their toolbox. And it's a very nuanced statement that sometimes you still will need to use this medication. All right. So there is the nuance that is necessary. Allow me to enter this conversation. But I will make a bunch of allegations without evidence. So she's in favor, in summary, I guess, of the White House kind of putting something on the Tylenol label, just basically saying, use this drug judiciously.

don't use it all the time maybe to mitigate risk and we still don't know if that would be the case right but if for discomfort reasons if you have a fever this needs to still be a tool in the toolbox to prevent the worst outcomes of say high fever in children and so this is inconclusive at best but this is the guy precautionary like this is pretty common in in medicine as far as I'm not a doctor and we'll have a doctor on soon, but like this is how they sort of talked, and she didn't say there has been, and I'm not sure I haven't read

the paper, but at least it doesn't establish as far as I'm aware, a causal relationship with ADHD and autism with Tylenol. No, but the FDA admits by the way, this is Steve Inkeep from

NPR, went to the bottom of the FDA statement on this, where they signal parents to avoid acetyminephine except sometimes and then it says let's open the here it is um it might be the next slide it's important to note that while an association between acetaminifine and neurological conditions has been described in many studies a causal relationship has not been established and there are contrary studies in the scientific literature it is also noted that the cedaminophen is the only

over-the-counter drug approved for use to treat fevers during pregnancy and high fevers in pregnant women can pose a risk to their children. Additionally, aspirin and ibuprofen have well documented adverse impacts on the fetus. They have to cover their ass legally

at the bottom paragraph of their statement on this. But everything prior to that is to appease Donald Trump who has embraced this fixation on autism that RFK Jr. has employed where it's mostly about pathologizing children and giving parents this false sense of control and even hierarchy if they have, if they can compare

their healthy kids to, God forbid, somebody with autism down the street. I made the right choices. I'm empowered in the exact right way. See, you know, not even pathologizing children. Doesn't it seem like it's pathologizing mothers? Yes. Where Kennedy and Trump get together and say the problem is you're taking too much pain relief? The problem that

we have in this country with health care is related to the fact, it is because we do not guarantee it and we do not have universal health care, like essentially every other Western industrialized nation. And what this libertarian health care approach is about, which is one,

treating people with autism or with disabilities as freaks who can't participate in society and almost as a pathogen that needs to be outrooted as opposed to autism

being a spectrum and many folks on the autism spectrum contributing greatly to our society despite what RFK would say I've never paid dollar in taxes and lastly it's about

making it so that you feel empowered over your health care individually but without there being any concept of public health or communality to it or community right because just one quick note is that doctor said what should happen is the patient should have a conversation or relationship with their doctor where they talk about those things do we do we finance that in this country no no but uh the brainworm told rfk so we have to all comply now glad that sorted in a moment of We will be talking to Dr. Muhammad Mustafa, but first, a word from a few of our sponsors.

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Yeah, like, I thought this was going to be like a big studio club. object and do you know what i mean don't say don't say where we are no i won't say where you're but like let's just say i was surprised i was surprised but hey listen man it's made me even more impressed oh yeah with yeah with how you get things done so fair play to us and you've uh you did a little bit of a different setup huh yeah yeah there's there's a lot of money behind that show they uh when i did it they they yeah they sent me like a van where i you can it's all lit up and it's all rigged and stuff so it's like a satellite van that's how i did it but you did the studio in lunch, I guess.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, and sat next to the peer. You know, look, it was a, I think it's important, you know, with somebody like that, that when you're talking to somebody on a screen, it's very easy just to, like, to not see them as an individual. But I thought it was important for the message that I was getting across to peers that we sit face to face and we have a conversation as human beings about the situation in Gaza. Because, you know, for a lot of people, it's just like a political talking point, you know, Gaza. You know, people will deny starvation is going on in Gaza. People will deny that, you know, children are targeted, and they're just talking points.

But when you're on the ground in Gaza, and you're holding lifeless children, you're holding kids with heads missing, and you're taking plastic bags of mothers, and inside them are melted children. It doesn't become a talking point to somebody like me. And that's why I felt like, you know, it's important when we do these shows as doctors. It's important that we bring the human element to this, that there is a real human cost to what's going on in Garland. Gaza. People are not just being killed, they're being killed in the most grotesque, inhumane ways at a large mass scale. I've been there with doctors in Gaza who have been to Mosul when there was the ISIS fighting, in Syria, in Afghanistan, in Iraq, and all of them have said the same thing.

They've never seen anything like Gaza. And nothing can prepare you when you go into Gaza. I mean, I was there for some of the worst mass casualty events of the war. I was there last year when they rescued the four Israeli hostages and they killed and injured like 1,400 people in two hours. I was there the night the ceasefire broke where they killed 200 children in an hour. Now remember, these are just reported. There are many hundreds that are under the rubble

that don't get reported. So how many were killed is just unbelievable. But, you know, when you come in and the entire ER room floor is just filled with children's bodies, children with limbs missing who are crying with their intestines hanging, out and you don't even have painkillers. We don't even have painkillers in the hospital and you're just watching a child with his intestines hanging out, taking his last breath. I mean, this is really

what's going on in Gaza and it's hard for me to debate with somebody whether this is even real or not. Like these are human beings. They deserve a level of dignity and they deserve for us to talk about this without it being used as a political porn and, you know, that was part of the reason why when I came out of Gaza, I felt like I had to, we had to do something about this. We can't have children dying on the streets on the floor in Gaza because the hospitals are overcrowded while the hospitals are being bombed while we're treating these kids. Something needs to change and, you know, the GHF, you know, bringing food into Gaza while shooting at women and children, starving women and children, like we can't have that either. What we need is we need a solution

And the solution is, is these states that are responsible for arming and funding this genocide need to be responsible for saving these children's lives. And that's what the campaign has been about. It's been about going to these governments, getting them to talk to us, getting them to sign on to and committing to bringing this hospital in to Gaza. How many countries have you been to since leaving Gaza to try to lobby for this effort now? man I've traveled all over look I've been to island I've been to the UK obviously Australia I'm here in America we're heading to Canada soon I've been to Italy to help with the flotilla to try and break the naval blockade because you know what they're trying to do is they're trying to open a humanitarian corridor you know if that opens a humanitarian corridor we

get in medical supplies through the sea I've just been doing whatever I can even Egypt I went to Egypt for the march of return when they tried to march to break the siege at Rafa crossing. I've been everywhere supporting every single cause to try and break this siege because this isn't just about the overall siege on Gaza. There is a journalistic siege on Gaza where journalists aren't allowed in. There's a food siege on Gaza where food isn't allowed in. There's a medical blockade on Gaza. There is a science blockade on Gaza. You know, all of these things, one of them has to go. There's an air blockade, there's a naval blockade, there's a land blockade. One of these dominoes has to fall. And me as a doctor, what I can try and do is I can try and break the medical blockade

on Gaza. Because if we break that, that is our way in. And hopefully that will act as a domino effect and we'll break all these other blockades that are going on in Gaza. Can you speak a little bit about the impact of the medical blockade? I know you mentioned, of course, that there is no pain medication. But what are some of the other medical tools? and necessities that have been blocked in the blockade. Do you know, there's no functioning MRI machine in the whole of Gaza. There's not a single functioning MRI machine. So there's two million people, well, whatever is left of Gaza.

And there's no functioning MRI machine. In the north of Gaza, where I was working at the Baptist Hospital, we had one CT scanner. Now, when you have a mass casualty event and you have, you know, 100, 200 people being bought in and they all need a CT scanner, we literally had people dying, waiting, for a CT scan at when we went down south to Al Aksa hospital the CT scanner that they had there doesn't work so what we would have to do is we would intubate patients in the ER and the

resuscitation you know these would be people that we would be putting in chest strains we would be cutting open their chest to try and restart their heart without pain medication well you know I mean look that there is some form of pain medication there you know there's ketamine but like when you've got a mass casualty event and you've got hundreds of people in there right and you've got people who are unstable, you can't wait for a nurse to go get you the ketamine, right? So what would happen is, is I would have to get my scalpel, and I would just have to cut through the child's chest, you know, to get a chest drain in, because it's not that we didn't have, and look, we're limited with supplies of anesthetics and painkillers that we have, but there's not even the staff levels involved

that we can actually, you know, get the painkillers involved, you know, abort in time to do these procedures safely. And, you know, when we do these procedures, there's a lot of of risk of giving ketamine because ketamine can cause things like a laryngeal spasm for kids which can you know block their airway you know we don't even have sats monitoring we can't even monitor children you know they're on the floor i can't monitor their breathing on the floor and therefore if you give them something it might cause a respiratory distress in a child you might actually kill them from the drug that you give them because we can't monitor them properly so you know there's a cost-benefit analysis if i'm giving a child ketamine and they're

outside on the, outside the ER because it's overflown. If anything happens to that child's airway, will I have enough medical equipment and will I have enough doctors and nurses around me to help secure this child's airway? The answer is no. So, you know, sometimes we make a decision not to give a child painkillers because we don't have, you know, the necessary doctors and nurses to monitor them. So, you know, look, the situation is beyond catastrophic in Gaza. There are so many people in Gaza as well who have cancer and there's no chemotherapy drugs getting into Gaza they while I was there they bombed the Turkish cancer hospital and destroyed that and that was a new building before the start of the war that's completely gone so you've got you know

children with cancer who have no form of treatment and are slowly dying from cancer in Gaza as well as being starved to death as well as being bombed to death I mean you know when you look at this and the level of cruelty, when you have drones coming down and, you know, in Arabic saying you're alone here, the Arabs have left you. They give us weapons and money and they give you sheaths, you know, to cover yourselves in cloths for your burial. There's a psychological warfare there when these quadcopters come down and make noises of crying children so people can come out of their tents and house to see where there is potentially a child that is in distress and actually it's to lure them out to shoot them yes i remember those reports yeah um so that you

can confirm that too from your experience that these israeli drones are are regularly playing audio as a way to either trick trick folks or or lure them to kill them or harm them psychologically Well, you know, they leave tins, tins, what look like tins of food out and they're explosive. So kids, because they're so hungry, they find this tin and they think it's a tin of food. And when they open it, it explodes and it blows off their hands. There's never been this level of cruelty in my lifetime. I'm a young guy, but, you know, many people that I've talked to within the UN and within these aid organizations have never seen the deliberate targeting of children on this mass scale before. You know, I've dealt with, you know, I was there, you know, before the ceasefire broke.

we were seeing kids coming in that had been shot in the head by snipers targeted and you know these would be children that would be the youngest child in a family so they would be in the at home a quadcopter would come in to the window and it would just shoot the youngest child and leave it wouldn't kill the rest of the family it would just kill the youngest child that you know and you know we've seen this we've seen you know the leaked videos from the GHF where they're laughing as they shoot people we've seen before when it was the March of Return when soldiers are putting up videos of them shooting

children in the genitalia and laughing and high-fiving when they do it. This isn't been just the start in Gaza. This is what they're doing to human beings. And the idea of getting this hospital into Gaza is they've destroyed and bombed pretty much every single hospital in Gaza. And I need the world to join force. You can't just condemn what's going on and leave these people to die. These children are the largest cohort of child amputees in the world. These children are the largest per capita of orphans. These children are malnutritioned to a stage five malnutrition means that their DNA changes. Can you speak more about that? Because that is how, you know, when we talk about generational trauma, this is what happened to victims of the Holocaust, where you have a

level of starvation that changes you and your descendants for the rest of time. There are thousands and thousands of Palestinians already in that irreversible stage, it appears. So, you know, right now, the reports are that 25% of Gaza is in stage five famine. Stage five famine means that two out of every 10,000 adults die a day, and four out of every 10,000 children die a day from starvation. Half the population is in stage four, which means two out of every 10,000 children a day die, and one out of every 10,000 adults a day die from starvation. these are scary numbers.

This also means that even if we were to bring food into Gaza, it wouldn't fix the problem. And people actually might die from bringing food in because what happens is you get things like re-feeding syndrome where their electrolytes and their salt levels are so low in their body that if I was to introduce food, it could overwhelm the body and cause things like an arrhythmia or heart attacks. Hence why, it's not just enough for governments to say we need to let aid in.

There needs to be a coordinated humanitarian response. And that's what I've been on the road campaigning for. I have been trying to get governments to say, look, it's not just good enough just to say we need to get more food in. We need to get an entire fleet of doctors and nurses with medical equipment and medical facilities into Gaza. These people have got some of the worst burns, some of the worst advanced age cancers, some of the worst malnutrition. And all of this needs medical expertise and help. And we're not going to do it by just opening up a border. and letting in a few trucks of aid.

You know, healthcare workers have been targeted. Over 1,500 healthcare workers in Gaza have been killed. You know, they don't have the capacity to deal with what's going on. They need us. The people of Gaza need us as humanitarian workers, as healthcare workers. They need us to come in in abundance to help. And we need to come in with medical equipment. You know, right now, at the borders, the IDF, you know,

they take away from you, baby formula. They take away from you your pocket ultrasound. You know, they were arguing with us about even bringing in our stethoscopes into Gaza. This is deliberate systemic destruction of the healthcare system. And I think, you know, people, again, like, you know, people debate this, like it's political talking points, but this is real life. This is a real systematic destruction of the healthcare system in Gaza, and it's the extinction of life in Gaza. And the only way that you fight back against the genocide is by bringing life. And the way that you bring life is a hospital.

And that's what I've been trying to do. And Israel has destroyed all of the farmland. It's basically they're unable to produce their own food and that is why starvation is as acute as you say because they are entirely reliant on aid coming in, which Israel is blocking in the siege. You mentioned some of the medical professionals that have been targeted. What is your sense of their awareness and some of your colleagues of their understanding of Israel's will? this to kill them in target hospitals. Well, the actual hospital ground staff in Gaza. Yeah.

Do you know, look, in Gaza, people there accept death as part of life. You know, when I would be there, they would always say to me, no, look, you're our guest. It's okay if we die, but we don't want you to be, we don't want you to be killed. So like, you know, you stay here. You don't go out and do this. We'll transfer the patients, not you. Death has become so common in Gaza that, like, you know, when I was speaking to the paramedics, These were the paramedics that went and retrieved the bodies of the killed paramedics and guards

because I was there when they killed them and I was there when they retrieved the bodies. The ones where they zip tied them and tried to and buried them alive. And I said to the paramedic, I went, you're not scared like of what would happen to you. And, you know, he was smiling and, you know, we stopped off and he bought me a coffee. And I had a Mars bar and I gave him like a Mars bar and he got me a coffee. And I said to him, you're not scared. but this will be you next and he said to me we're already dead we're already dead and that's how he embraced it he just embraced that like it wasn't a matter of if he was going to die it was just when

but they'd already embrace the fact that death is there and that's the majority of how gazans feel they feel like death is an inevitable for them and it's just a matter of when and you know that that to me speaks to the mental health of the people of palestine and the people of gaza you know, a lot of people, like we dehumanize them, you know, on the right side where they dehumanize them and they say they're all Hamas, they're all just human shields and, you know, flattened Gaza, that's the dehumanization. But on the left, a lot of people dehumanize people in Gaza and they go, oh, they're so resilient, you know, they will withstand anything. Romanticizing it.

They romanticize their resilience. And, you know, these are human beings. And I've seen them break down and cry. I've seen women hold. their lifeless children's bodies and fall to the floor. I've seen fathers be inconsolable. These are real things and these aren't they aren't superhuman. They're just human like me and you. Yes, they have an increased level of resistance compared to the average person, but they need help. They don't need us to romanticize them. They don't need us to belittle them either on the right side. what they need is they need help and they need us to come together and work out that like look you know within this movement like it doesn't matter if people agree with my talking points or

what I think of the political situation on which countries or this that and the other what we need is is we need people to work together to help relieve this situation in Gaza because it is catastrophic um you you spoke a little bit about this but I'm wondering if you can um elaborate on the lack of understanding about the true death toll. I talk about this all the time on the show. I'm sure some people in the audience are sick of it, but I just feel like we need to emphasize it every time because the Western press is completely complicit in the genocide in many ways,

but the one that's most egregious to this day, in my view, is the repeating of the wildly undercounted death toll in Gaza. Can you speak about what that looks like on the ground? and why there is such a discrepancy? You know, if I've got a dead child, right, why would I risk walking? Because there's no fuel for the cars and I don't have money to pay for a donkey car.

Why would I pay to take the child to the hospital to have a doctor to say, yep, the child is dead? For then men, then me to take the child back to bury it. Makes no sense. It's dangerous. I've got other children that I need to look. after. So what families do is they just bury them there and then outside on the street.

What also happens is, you know, when we have paramedics coming when there's a home that's been bombed, you know, because right now, because all these homes have been destroyed, there's like maybe 100 people living in a house that would have housed maybe 10 people. And when that house gets bombed, 100 people are

underneath the rubble. The paramedics will only bring in like 15 bodies, 30 bodies. There's still 70 underneath the rubble. And, and And they don't get counted. And, you know, when a week, two weeks go past, you know everybody underneath that rubble is dead. There's no one surviving after that. So, you know, when we talk about 90% of the homes in Gaza are destroyed, how many tens of thousands are underneath the rubble?

How many were killed when they were besieged by the military and families just buried their loved ones in the garden, buried their loved ones on the streets? You know? How many mass graves have we seen and found and been discovered? You know, there's a lot of red zones in Gaza. 80% of Gaza is red zones. How many mass graves are there in those red zones? I think what you'll find is when hopefully, and I'm hoping, you know, Gaza isn't ethnically cleansed and I'm hoping when they rebuild Gaza.

And if it's, you know, the Palestinians or whoever rebuilds Gaza, the uncovering of the mass graves, there will be so many mass graves that will be uncovered. And I think that's going to be one of the big things that's going to hit people is when they are rebuilding and they're putting in the groundwork and the cement and they find all of these. mass graves there'll be a lot of them in Gaza and you know look there's a lot of people also missing that have been taken by the IDF and we don't know where they are we don't know how many of them have been killed inside these torture dungeons that they're taken into I don't want to sound like a pessimist but it's oh oh my gosh I mean come I the the the we have to speak exactly about what's

happening there and you had this firsthand look to this horror that I see through my phone and And it is immensely distressing, of course, and heartbreaking. And the images and videos that get me the most, even, you know, you can see what you're describing, shredded children, headless children. But it's the wailing of the parents that is the hardest, I guess, for me to watch. And then I just can't even imagine seeing that in person. So from your perspective, like, what is it like to even, it must be so disorienting to even be in the West, like seeing people just going about their daily lives. or what you've just experienced. Do you know, for me,

I think what's difficult for someone like me is, is, you know, I'm, you know, my father was born in Gaza. I'm Palestinian originally in my background, and, you know, I'm Gazan. When you get those children that come in and you see this child and it looks like you when you were a kid,

you know, when I was there, if I wasn't wearing my, my NGO jacket, everyone thought I was just a Palestinian, a well-fed Palestinian, but, you know, everyone just thought I was from Gaza. because I've got family in Gaza,

I've got aunties, uncles, cousins, and so far that in Gaza. And, you know, you see these people that look exactly like you. You see these children that have the same nose as you, the same ears, the same eyes. And that's the thing that really hits you. And there was sometimes when we had these, like, mass casualty events, and I would go be seeing children on the ward. Some of these kids had my last name, were related to me.

And that was, I think, what gave me, like, kind of a unique experience to this, is like, when you'd hear the wailing, it would be the wailing of a family member, you know, to this. that is the bit that hits me. And then when you go back and, you know, you've seen now in the UK and in Australia these massive anti-immigration marches. And, you know, especially in the UK,

it's always weird to me because they're always about, or we need to send them home. And I'm sat there and I'm going, but you gave my home away. Yeah. You were the ones that gave my home or you want me to go home. You don't want me to be here. But at the same time,

you're supplying the weapons that destroys my home. So I can't go back home. You are supporting the ethnic cleansing of my people and my home where are we going to go is two million gardens where are they going to go and then when they do come to Europe after you've supported their ethnic cleansing

you're going to complain about them coming over there after you've supported their displacement to me like you know like the hypocrisy and the levels of the hypocrisy of the west and the levels in which the trauma has been inflicted

in the Middle East where they have redrawn the maps in North Africa Africa, where they were the ones that put in these families in charge of these monarchs in charge of these countries, where, you know, they did the Balfour Declaration, where they've supplied the weapons to, you know, whether it was the French that supplied, you know, Bashar's family, the Assad family, you know, in Syria. And that caused what, the civil war that only just ended, and not even ended, but only just ended a few months ago. Or when they, you know, um, uh, armed the, the civil war that only just ended, you know, a few months ago. Or when they, you know, um, uh, armed the, Zionist militias in the 1940s in Palestine that ended up doing the Nekba and ethnically cleansing 750,000 Palestinians. And then you have the audacity for these people to march and talk about how we're the ones that are changing, you know, Muslims or Arabs or these people from third world countries, we're the ones that are changing the demographic and we're the ones that are, you know, um, uh, you know, we're the ones that are causing this dispurity in

culture and changing the culture within these countries. And, you know, most of us were like, look, if we could go home, we would. But, you know, you steal our land, you take away all the resources, you make it an unlivable place for us. And then when we come over here, you tell us to go back home or you tell us that we're not welcome. It's hard. That's your anti-Semites. Yeah. Right. And we're Semitic. We're Semitic. Exactly. You know, we're Semitic. And it's, you know, look, from all of those angles, it is tough. But I think one thing that I have to try and be is, you know, I have to try and look into the humanity of people that say this. And I have to understand that it's coming from a place

of ignorance, first and foremost, rather than it being something where they are bad or evil people. It comes from not understanding who we are. It comes from not understanding your own history. You know, the reason why there's so many Pakistanis and Indians in the UK is because you bought them over after the Second World War to fill up the factories, to work, to rebuild your economy. after hundreds of thousands of them died defending the British and fighting off the Nazis you know they don't understand that level of history so they look at them and they think that they're invaded

that you know these Southeast Asians are invaders they look at these Muslims and they talk about how you know these people are coming over here and bringing their their religion and this that and the other after you impose you know monarchs that that restrict them from practicing their religion in their own countries while you supply weapons and you go on illegal wars and kill a million of them in Iraq

while supplying the weapons and political cover for a genocide in Gaza when you bomb Yemen you know when you impose sanctions on Syria and destroy how many hundreds of thousands of people's lives when you back the al-Qaeda in Syria and then bomb them in let alone we didn't even touch what we've done to Latin America

which is very much. I mean that's the other one you know And, you know, and we sit here and it's just like, you know, it's got to a stage where, especially now with social media and information being very present, people now are beginning to actually realize and learn the history of what's going on. And they're watching Gaza and they're saying that, like, you know, you have politicians coming on TV and saying there is no genocide going on here. And people are watching the same images coming out on screen and going, how are you saying that kids aren't being killed, that kids aren't being killed, that kids aren't being. targeted when we're seeing it with our own eyes. And that's made people really take a step back and actually question everything that they've learned of our democratic liberal values. Like, are we democratic even here in the United States? When was the last time we got to pick a Democratic nominee? When was the last time we picked a Democratic nominee here?

I mean, the party apparatus tries to, it treats democracy as a nuisance to having democratic input. We saw this in the 2024 race, given the fact that a majority of the base, of the Democratic Party wants to block weapons to Israel and it's not particularly close and then independents also have very strong numbers in this. I mean, I guess, you know, to kind of zoom out slightly, just on, you're talking about the West and our relationship with the Middle East. I mean, Islamophobia is the defining bigotry of the 21st century for Western governments because it crosses nations in the West. It has had probably the greatest impact on everybody's civil liberties.

It has resulted in millions of deaths and it will be hundreds of thousands, if not over a million, depending on how long this goes, with Israel's attempt to the final solution in Gaza. As you see, though, some public opinion begin to change, are there any glimmers of hope because there's, No way we can escape that the Western imperialism, it has to cease for this to end. It has, the Western governments have to act. When we're talking about public opinion in these Western countries, is there anything that has shown you that, okay, maybe there's a awakening happening even though it's too slow? Do you know, I think, look, I think I can speak, you know, within the Muslim community, I think the Muslim community also need to understand that our freedoms and our, liberty is going to be interconnected with many that are marginalized within the communities. And that thing is things like the LGBT community.

That's things like women's rights as well. These are all things as well as I feel like as a Muslim community. We're going to have to have a real conversation about how we go around and support everybody. Because the attack, you know, now you're seeing attacks with, you know, Trump on, on neurodivergent people and autism. You know, the attacks on Muslims is all too common. I think what we have to understand is that as times move on, there is more and more of a nationalistic approach in all these different countries. And it's Christian nationalism is a big part of it.

And the big boogeyman for Christian nationalism is Islam. You know, there's the historical links of the Crusades. But also as well, it's because Islam as a religion is a very disciplined religion, right? So you can come to a country and you can be a well-adjusted Muslim and live and work as a doctor, as a lawyer, but you still pray your five prayers a day, you're still fast, and that puts a spotlight on you. When people say that's different. And unfortunately, that's not going to change. Muslims are not going to change. And I think it's the fact that people don't understand, they think that Islam is attacking Christianity when it's not. What's attacking Christianity and what's destroying, you know, things like families is the fact that it's so expensive now to have a family yeah you know the capitalism has destroyed our society you know here especially in the US like how many people get maternity leave how many women can just stay off work to build a family they can't so the attack on the family is a financial attack on family it's not because of Islam you know it's also the cultural difference as well you know Muslims they'll tend to

live with their with their parents in their parents homes right they don't go out and buy separate cars for each other and have different mortgages so therefore they're able to save therefore they're able to have families therefore they're able to have more kids and what happens is the narrative shifts around that they're trying to outbreed us and this that and the other but actually the differences is is between like Islam and these things it's like there's this cultural paradigm shift where Islam is resilient to the effects of you know capitalism and the western um egocentric you know it's about me and what I want whereas their culture and their way is more about the community and family orientation.

And people see the, you know, the attacks on the family unit in the West and they see the declining birth rates. And because of the declining birth rates, we need to get immigrants to come in. And the places where there's a lot of immigrants is in the third world, and a lot of them are Muslim countries. So these Muslims are coming in on, you know, in these mass migrations to these countries. Not because of, you know, the governments want to bring them in, But the governments need to bring them in to keep this capitalistic system alive, which is, you know, we've got an aging population.

You've got a lot of women and people choosing not to have kids. And if they do have kids, they have them later in life. So they have less kids. Therefore, we're not replacing and we're not improving the population rates. And because of that, we are having to bring in immigrants. And that's what people are then associating with, or the billionaires or the elite are going, that's the problem. coming over here and they're replacing you and this that neither one actually the thing that's replacing us is the fact that you can't afford to live you can't afford to have a family you know you

wouldn't be bringing in all of these migrants and all of these people to come if you actually had a decent standard set of living and it's not Islam that is the problem to this the problem is is the environment that you're in is not allowing you to have a family it's not allowing you to live a comfortable life and Islam is the scapego unfortunately yeah um lastly Can you speak about this effort to build the children's hospital and what our audience can do to help in that effort? Yeah, I mean, look, I'll leave you the donation page. We've started a donation page here in America. We'll put a link down below wherever people are listening watching.

Yeah, so, you know, look, we are, we're partnering up with things like World Central Kitchen. They're going to help us. We've already got a maternity in neonatal hospital built. This hospital, which will be similar to what the pediatric hospital is, it is a solar power. powered mobile units that get put on the back of trucks and bought into Gaza and then assembled like a jigsaw puzzle they're built in Jordan they have state-of-the-art medical equipment they have operating theaters intensive care units pathology labs pharmacies doctors quarters they have kitchens these are they have its own it has

its own capacity to refill oxygen cylinders as well and all of this like I say is self-sufficient solar panel powered so this is bringing infrastructure that's built outside of Gaza and bringing it into Gaza and you know we already have a maternity in neonil hospital at the border in Jordan ready to go in in I've been trying to lobby the British government and the Australian government to work with the Jordanians to get this hospital in and if we can get this hospital in, that'll be the first one in and then after that we're going to start building the pediatric hospital and that's what we're fundraising for and if we do this we want to build a hundred-bed pediatric hospital

that will one act as a standalone hospital but also So it will work alongside with the pediatric hospitals in Gaza to help support them. Because, you know, the other issue has been is the lack of evacuations. We can't even evacuate kids out of Gaza. So they're dying waiting to leave for treatment. Whereas if we can bring this state-of-the-art hospital in with, you know, doctors and nurses from the West with all their medical equipment and all their medical expertise, hopefully we can treat these kids in Gaza while the blockade is on so we can save their lives.

Well, Dr. Muhammad Mustafa, thank you so much for your time today. We will put a link to that donation. We can give it to us right when we go to break, and we'll put it down below. Thanks so much for coming on. Thank you so much for having me. Of course. A quick break, and when we come back, we'll be joined by Jennifer Welch. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. and back we are back and we are joined now by jennifer welsh interior designer co-hosts of the i've had it podcast and co-author of life is a lazy susan of shit sandwiches jennifer we've been meaning to have you on for a while so thrilled we were able to make this happen thank you so much for having me on you know i am doing a midlife gap year soon and i'm moving to new york out of the bible belt and i've raised my kids. The youngest one is at USC. And you and I were texting about my coming on. And I was like, this is perfect because I need friends in New York. So this is our first time meeting and I'm

going to be your new best friend. I know. Well, I mean, I'm all for it. And we have to have you on in studio once you officially move in. But I couldn't wait until you got here in October to have you on, especially because I knew Sam would be out today. And I wanted a little bit of girl time. I hope that's all right with you. Love it. But we can bring you on with him as well because he seemed a little jealous, honestly, when I told him you would be on today. I love that. It's always, when you're 50 and somebody's jealous, they don't get to be with you, you just absorb that energy. Can you honestly just tell us a little bit about your background? I hadn't, I had meant to ask you about this because I've been seeing, you know, people will say you've got the, the liberal wine mom thing locked down. And in my, I'm, you know, I'm 31. I love wine. I hope to be a mom at one day. So I, I, mom one day. I don't, wouldn't take that as something that's like offensive. I think it's actually pretty awesome. So I hope to be a

future wine mom. Do you do you find that to be a funny way to describe your demographic? There's two takes on that. The first one is sometimes people refer to us as mom podcasters in a reductive way. And you would never hear anybody refer to Joe Rogan as a dad podcaster. Right. And so in that regard, fuck them. In the regard, that members of the LGBT plus or of the black and brown community are refreshed to see a woman like me who meets the optics that you might think, oh, fuck, where was she on January 6th? And then you hear me advocating for you. And then my kids told me the phrase mother, like, you're so mother. So in that regard, being like a maternal supporter or ally or an aunt or a big

sister. I embrace that entirely. And and and what do you think about um, I guess some of the reaction in the democratic base to, to, uh, the, the way that leadership has responded here. I know you've been really vocally critical of Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer as we have been on this show. But it's almost like they were surprised that, uh, your show would have this take. But it's actually reflective of what we're seeing in the base. Like a majority of Democrats do not want this leadership anymore. And I don't understand why in either of our opinions on this would be controversial. Well, you know, I think that Democratic establishment has a brand of pick me politics.

They want everybody to like them. And when you aspire for everybody to like you, nobody likes you because you're inauthentic and you don't stand for anything. And so right now, what everybody wants to see is people that stand up and fight, that fight against this fascist regime. And when you see the word salad and the moral duplicity coming out of Jeffries, Corey Booker, Chuck Schumer, it's heartbreaking. It's really heartbreaking because this is a moment where you have to set all of your pack money aside and you have to get on your big boy pants and stand. stand up and not be a pussy. And when I see these Democratic establishment candidates puss out, it is, it angers me, but more than anything, it's heartbreaking because their

positions is a woman who lives deeply in a red state. You, we have had to rely on Democratic leaders from other states to protect us from MAGA and Republicans' worst impulses, which are putting the Ten Commandments in schools, no exceptions to abortions, you know, very horrible education systems, Trump Bibles and schools, et cetera, I could go on and on. And so you rely on these certain politicians to be uncompromising when it comes to human rights. So when you see them compromise, I mean, it just really enrages me slash makes me sad at the same time. What do you think of the you get what you voted for thing? Because when I think about red states, I think about some of the poorest states in the

South. I mean, you're from Mississippi, right? Oklahoma. Oklahoma, I'm so sorry. But I think about other. I'm not that redneck. Not that I apologize. I don't know where I got that from. But I mean, maybe I'm just thinking of Mississippi. Like my husband's my third cousin, not my first cousin. I got it. I got it. I'm sorry to let my coastal elitism slip out and blend all these states together. But it is like there are vulnerable communities in those states. They just are gerrymandered out of politics or they are in areas that are kind of so left behind that they're not considered as a part of kind of our active voting political community. And I don't want to leave those folks behind just because a bunch of, you know,

Christian white people in those states decide to vote for Trump. Well, my response to this is twofold. on the surface, I totally get the, you get what you voted for, fuck around and find out as an impulsive reaction when you see what this regime is doing. As a progressive person, once I get past that impulse of being catty and petty, which is fun to be for a few seconds, cooler heads prevail. And then I realize like, let's take, for example, first and foremost, the Latinos for Trump. That girl had that big salsa rally. I will vote for Donald. Trump and they're, woo-hoo, you know, arriba,

riba, and then her husband and her nephew, ice, scrape him out the door. She's bawling crying. She feels betrayed by Donald Trump. And because I'm progressive, I have empathy for her, even though she was a dipshit, even though she didn't watch the signs at the Republican National Convention that said mass deportations now, even though it enrages me that they were so stupid to think that they could align with people that were going to oppress your people and at some point those knives

wouldn't be turned on you. As a progressive person, I still have empathy for them. As it pertains to people in rural America, I have empathy for them because like people in Oklahoma, the only thing they have in their rural communities is church. And these MAGA politicians, let's just take our governor, Governor Kevin Stitt, who I refer to as Governor Dipshit, Governor Dipshit, weaponizes Christianity out in rural Oklahoma and he Christian signals and he Jesus signals and he just throws out a few things to say, hey, I'm one of yours. And then he completely rapes and pillages every sense of autonomy or any sort of social safety net that could possibly have. We've gone from 16 years ago, we had a Democratic governor. We were 14th in

education, MAGA super majority policies, we are dead last in education. So I have empathy for those people because they've been lied to and manipulated. The people I have no fucking empathy for are country club white Republicans that played a short-term game. They know Trump's a nut. They know that he's surrounded by a bunch of nuts. And they played the short term. I want my 401k to be great. And I know he's a racist. I know he's a sexist. I know that these women that are getting raped in certain states can't have access to health care, but I don't give a shit because I'm just a capitalist. When they lose all of their money, I'm not going to feel empathy for them. But the other two I do feel empathy for.

I totally agree with you. And you mentioned some of the Christian, the Christo-fascism of this administration. I want to play this clip from Charlie Kirk's, you know, Memorial, which It was filled with pyrotechnics and speeches by Donald Trump and other political figures where it seems like everybody's last conversation with Charlie Kirk validated all of their politics prior to this. But Benny Johnson, MAGA influencer, who I don't know if he was responsible for the grinder outage at the event. I mean, it could have been him. It could have been anybody, honestly. Just do the overuse. here he is speaking and you can pick up a lot of what Jennifer is saying here about like the

Christo fascist elements of this movement. The Apostle Paul describes how God establishes the rulers of the nations. In the audience right now, there are rulers of our land. Represented right here is the State Department, the Department of War, the Department of Justice, the Chief Executive, God has instituted them. God has given them power over our nation and our land. God saved our President Trump from an assassin's bullet for this moment. And what does the Apostle Paul and Romans say about a godly leadership? He says that rulers wield the sword for the protection of good men and for the terror of evil men.

May we pray that our rulers here? Okay. I think we get the gist. I like how men are both the protagonist and antagonists. Women are just along for the ride. God saved the president but didn't, but wanted the fire. Men on men, actually. Right.

Wanted the firefighter to die at the rally. And then I guess also had to sacrifice Charlie Kirk for this moment is the implication from Benny Johnson. He works in mysterious ways. I mean, so this is what they do. This is what is Christian signaling, Jesus signaling. And this is what, as being an atheist Democrat in a red state my whole life, I see that these politicians do. And when you think about people in rural America, they don't fucking know what's going on in Gaza.

And I don't want to hurt step on anybody's toes. They don't care. That is the part of rural America is simply, you know, you get up. My husband's from rural Oklahoma. He's a criminal defense attorney. And he said, you get up, you try to, you know, grind your way through your day. nobody's making any money everybody's broke half the people are on meth and then you watch will of fortune and then you say who can i blame for my shitty life fox news serves up who you can blame

who you're going to scapegoat those immigrants those trans people those drags queens those lesbians we had a guy who ran for senate in oklahoma and he called um he campaigned in rural Oklahoma, that lesbians were a huge problem in eastern Oklahoma, which I would say there is kind of a fine line between cowgirls and lesbians. Sometimes you're kind of like, could go either way. But they Christian signal, and it works with them because their only form of culture or home or social life is in these churches. And the churches are hell, fire, damnation, you're no good, you need to be saved. And so the two, for me, I was not surprised. that Christians clung on to Trump, because I've always been at the top of prayer list.

Everybody's always been trying to save me my whole life. And they are very primed for this type of cruelty talk. When friends would take me to get me saved, the preacher sound exactly like Donald Trump. They sound exactly like Benny Johnson. So it's familiar. I know you've spoken about this a bit with your co-host poems about, you know, her upbringing versus yours. her growing up in a more, you know, traditional Christian household in the United States. Like, how has your friendship kind of informed that?

One, and two, if you could expand on the element about church as only being like the only form of community, because I think that's really important. It's why cities are so scary to, I think, conservatives is because you interact with all different kinds of people and you're in such close proximity that you have more options to form community, although I think capitalism largely limits it because we're so on a razor's edge about our next paycheck or whatever, but like that element, I think, is really important in that, and this is a very drawn-out question, but when I used to go cover Trump rallies, I was going to one Trump rally a week and lead up to 2020, and it almost,

it felt like when I went to megachurch with my aunt, like there was, it was the same vibe, and it is a form of community, a perverse one, but it's because there are no other ones. Totally. So, you know, I had a really unique upbringing. My parents, atheists, I don't know why we were in the buckle of the Bible Belt, but we were. I was born in Dallas and moved to Oklahoma City when I was in grade school. And my parents traveled all the time, but I was, I grew up around all of these really religious people. And so when I, and I never fit in with them because I was never indoctrinated. Do you know how today the rapture is supposed to come on Christian talk? They're talking about it. Wouldn't it be hilarious if we got raptured just right here on air? I love it. I love it.

Oklahoma City would be so tolerable. I want it to happen. But I remember when I was in eighth grade, I was a Brink Bobcat cheerleader. Go Bobcats. And everybody that I went to middle school with was like, the rapture's coming, the rapture's coming, the rapture's coming. I tell my mom, she got, oh, for God's sakes, Jennifer, that's ridiculous. these Christians are so intellectually stupid. And, you know, the football game came and went.

The rapture never came. And there's this, it's this cult-like thing and there's all this pressure to be involved in it. I'm so grateful that I was never indoctrinated in it because what we have right now is a bunch of people that are suffering the consequences of religious abuse. And my co-host, Pumps, she suffered the consequences of religious abuse. Now, her parents didn't set out to do this. The structures that they were raised in earnestly set her to be raised in the same structures. But if you're told when you're born that you're inherently bad. And I had a boyfriend in high school, Emma, whose dad was a Baptist preacher.

And he got grounded for three months for beating off when he was 16 years old. Like the shame of that. That is incredibly abusive. And so then you see grinder crashing and you see all of these MAGA people that have all this child essay stuff on their phones. And I think you have like a mass psychosis of people that are suffering from religious abuse. So when they have things like this where they can all get together to feel normal and then the propaganda administration knows, they know exactly what they're doing by using religion in this way. And there's so many people, this is all they know. And I think

this is what's so insidious about what Charlie Kirk did. He knew, and the people that funded him knew, that for all of these megachurch people in suburban rural America, they did exactly what their parents told them to do. They prayed at the flagpole. They did Bible study, circle jerks, etc. Circle jerk, unintended there. Right. And so then they go to college And that's the first time they're free. They're liberated. They can maybe make their own script. And that's what's so dangerous and insidious about what Charlie Kirk did.

They intentionally wanted him placed at a time where free thought could be uninterrupted. And he went there to interrupt it in Christian signal. And so, you know, the right always accuses us of virtue signaling. And probably we're guilty of that. And I don't think that's something we should necessarily. apologize for, but weaponizing your faith against people who inherently have some questions, like, did Noah really load up all those animals and get on the boat? Like, I had friends that literally believe that. Pumps, my co-host, she told me one time she thought people lived to be

950 years old. And she had been to law school. Imagine that, been to law school, but was indoctrinated not to critically think, not to ask questions. And that's what's so egregious and horrible about turning points activities is they're stunting the growth and then you're going to have more broken damaged people because that's the perfect petri dish for MAGA to get all of their supporters. It is interesting to me too how the relationship with Trump also almost mirrors not to psychoanalyze them too much but it's kind of fun mirrors a relationship with almost like an abusive father where it feels like love where he's abusing them and you just take it because there's no I feel it seems like healthy emotional reaction or critical thought that could allow you

it's bigger than that I think it mirrors the relationship with the Old Testament God there you go there you go well I mean he stands in like he stands in as Jesus and you heard Mike Pence I don't know if you read that interview with him a few years ago back when he was still vice president He described how, you know, Trump is this imperfect vessel, but he feels like God is speaking through him and serving him is like serving God. And I don't know how you get from point A to point B, except for the fact that Trump is like charismatic and omnipresent, charismatic is his own perverse way and leading a coalition of religious fundamentalists. Yeah. I mean, I was not surprised because when all of my friends,

friends were trying to save me when I was in junior high and high school. And I would lie to my mother and say, I'm going to go spend the night of this person. She'd be like, don't go to that church. Of course, I immediately went to the church because I wanted to fit in with my friends, right? And so I remember this one church I went to in particular. It was called Crossroads Cathedral. And my friend, Shonda, and her mother drove me there. And they were working class people. My family was more upper class, upper middle class. And Shonda's mom worked at UPS really sweet lady named Debbie. And we pull up to 7-Eleven. She has a cup in her car full of coins with a $20 bill at the top. And she said, you girls pump the gas and one of you go pay. So I'm like, okay, I'll go

pay. Shonda, you pump the gas. So I grabbed the $20 bill and I'm going to take it into $7.11. She wants to put $5 in. She goes, no, no, no, Jennifer. That $20 is for the pastor. It's for the church. Count out the coins. And so I was like, well, that's fucked up. But I did as I was told, I counted out the coins. We pull up to Crossroads Cathedral in South Oklahoma City. And right at the same time, this white Rolls Royce pulls up. And this guy gets out, Pastor Schaefer is his name. And he has on a white suit and a white meat coat. His wife gets out and she had a total Tammy Fay Bibbib's righteous gemstone. The big eyelashes, a white meat coat. We go inside and they start doing all this Bible thumping and talking in tongues and talking about demons and all this fucking crazy

shit. It was the most terrifying thing I've ever been around. And here's Debbie, who had a black eye because her husband and roughed her up a few nights before, giving $20 to this grifter, this total lying sack of shit, Pastor Schaefer. And so when Trump started doing that, I thought this is familiar to them. This type of abusive lying grifting relationship is familiar and the cognitive dissonance that it takes to both love your pastor and overlook all of his moral, obvious shortcomings is very familiar to this base. So I think that my perspective, having been raised in the Death Star, I'm not shocked that Christians like him.

I know people on the coast were shocked. I was not shocked one bit. He's mean. He traffics and cruelty. Every single church that I went to where my friends tried to get me saved, the same thing. It was the same kind of, same kind of talking, rambling, whacked out shit that Trump does. He is a glorified megachurch pastor, basically. I mean, that kind of, that is fascinating. That really solves a lot of, I think, questions, you know, that maybe people have about that

relationship because of, you know, all of the things that should be antithetical because of his complete, you know, depravity individually, that all got washed away for that reason. Can we talk a little bit more about Kirk as well? Because I had forgotten, I guess. And this is, you know, my privilege too. But I remembered all of his, his bigoted statements, you know, towards black people, towards Palestinians, towards basically anybody, trans people, gay people, what have you. But his anti-blackness was so acute. And I think, you know, back to what you were talking about earlier, about people being surprised that someone looks like you or even someone that looks like me is speaking honestly about what Kirk's legacy is and what the impact is of

the right right now. Like, where do you view your responsibility in that? Because our leadership isn't doing it. And the idea that we should just throw more marginalized groups under the bus to appease this fascist churn, it is going to gobble us all up. There is, there has to be a firm line here. And I think that there were a lot of people that were genuinely hurt to see the whitewashing of the things that he said. I mean, black Americans in this country in particular, I think, because it was so horrific. And then you have the Senate unanimously voting to make a Remembrance Day for him and just a few dozen Democrats in the House standing up here. But among the base, this is a consensus opinion, basically.

Yeah. So as a white American, I think all of us should aspire to be cookout approved whites. And I think we need to align ourselves with the black community the way you will your own. And until we have that type of rock-solid allyship, you see people make excuses for the racism that exists all the time. And as a white person who grew up in a white suburban world, I hear racism all the time. And you have to stand up and you have to defend your black and brown brothers and sisters. the whitewashing of his legacy is so abhorrent and hurtful. It hurts me to see it, but it's also a reminder of all of the white racists that I've

been around in my life. And I think that what the Democrats have done by voting to honor is just an absolute total fucking disgrace. I think they should be ashamed of themselves. I think that I do not understand. understand how somebody like Hakeem Jeffries that is a black man can vote to honor a man who trafficked and racist cruelty and made black people less safe and demeaned. And who is this winning over? And who is this winning over? I mean, that's the other thing.

Yeah. Don't know. It's so weird. I just, I just think that our responsibility is to call out what everybody sees with their own eyes and hears her with their own ears, saying, you saw and you heard Charlie Kirk be a racist and you were correct. That's it. Yeah. You know, you don't have to spin it. You don't have to revisionist history. Let people know what you saw is correct. He was a man that profited off of racist. And then what you also saw is correct. Bizarrely, a black man just voted to honor him. It's fucking crazy. It's crazy. But it shows, I think, the rot right now at the core of the Democratic Party, unfortunately. I mean, the reality is that voters, they're there. The voters are ready. The voters are ready for a transformational candidate. They're ready

for a change in leadership. And yet, the party's responsiveness has been non-existent, it feels like, especially at the very top. You have a select view. You have AOC, Ilhan Omar, Rashida Talib, Zora Mamdani, who you had on your show, which I'd love for you to give your thoughts on too. And you have governors, like I think Pritzker's done a good job and Van Hollen in the Senate and, of course, Bernie Sanders. But part of what is happening here is that Trump is able to fill vacuums because vacuums are being left purposefully. And all they're trying to do is hang on by their fingernails until the midterms. But the impacts are still going to happen. I mean, we're, we're the, Chuck Schumer is just waiting for an excuse to cave on the,

government shutdown right now. And I don't understand how you can demonstrate, like, the party is so unpopular. And part of the problem is that people don't think they stand for anything. And so their answer is, let's not stand for anything harder. I cannot understand it. I have been sitting here trying to understand it. And I think that they're basically beholden to the same corporations that got MAGA elected. And so you have a opposition party. that is maga light. And I think obviously the APEC money plays a huge, huge role in this. And I can always use Cory Booker as a prime example for this. You know, we've had him on our podcast. I liked him. He was feisty. He spoke about, you know, quality and he spoke up for democracy, blah, blah, blah.

Then he did the 25-hour barn burner. I'm not going to sleep. I'm not going to pee. I'm fighting for democracy. I'm like, fuck yeah, let's go, Corey. And then he's playing peekaboo, photograph with Benjamin Netanyahu. And I'm like, say what? Are you kidding me? So now everything that Corey says, he's not a credible messenger to me. And people say that, oh, the left, you want everybody, you know, you have this purity issue. That's not it. We have a credibility issue. We want you to be a credible messenger. You don't have to be pure. If Cory Booker or Hakeem Jeffries right now, because we're so desperate and beggars can't be choosers. If they said, we're fucked up about the APEC money.

I was wrong. I was wrong. We're in the fight of our lives. Please get behind me. We can duke it out later. I would be first in line because MAGA moved Trump far to the right. We can move our leaders further to the left. And we can't just be dismissive of them.

But if they continue to dismiss us, then I'm going to go after them. I'm going to walk and chew gum. I'm going to go after Trump, who I call Kanks. I'm going to go after a little smoky, who, of course, has failed drag queen, vice president, J.D. Vance, smoky-eye sociopath, which we refer to as little smoky. And you can imagine what I mean, but the smoky eye and a small penis. I like the visual you're giving right now. And a small penis. And thanks for the podcast audience, so they know. We can go after all of these things, but we cannot give these complicit Democrats a pass. We have to go after them as well. Right. And it's about making the opposition party stronger. That's what it's about. And I think most people are kind of on board with that. It's just that the party apparatus is completely sclerotic right now. Lastly, you mentioned some of your favorite nicknames. I've been using kanks and in conversations. I've got my mom's listening to your show too, so we'll call them kanks on the phone with each other. So thanks for giving us something to laugh about.

yeah um kanks you got a little smoky who are your other favorite uh some of your other favorite eric and don are dumb and dumber eric and don junior yeah of course eric being dumber and don't dumber and don't really i would go the other way you really would you think eric's dumb and don't John Jr.'s dumber. I, I, that's, but, um, I don't know. That's really tough. Matt's thinking really hard over there. Usually you would say the blonde is dumber, but I think Eric is, is smarter than Don Jr. I think Eric might be, but I mean, about Eric. Yeah. You know that that Lara Trump, you know that when she's sitting there at Fox News, Eric's balls are just right in her cleavage. I mean, you can almost just feel it. You know that she's just got them all twisted up. Yeah.

I mean, how else would they let a woman with the Trump last name run for higher office? She must just have to, like, be that kind of woman. Well, it's just amazing to me how easy these maga men either emasculate themselves or how easy they are to emasculate. Like, I just don't think we talk enough about, you know, J.D. Vance is a failed drag queen that changed his name three times as an adult. And in a normal world, that wouldn't, you know, whatever. But this is a, he is the failed drag queen leader of a party that's anti-drag banning books.

Yeah. I just think, I mean, from time to time, I always just remind our audience. We need to remember that he tried to be a drag queen and he failed. Then we show the photographs of how terrible he was at doing drag. Right. Yeah, the match is set off. Oh, here's another nickname. Mike Johnson.

I call him Moses Mike, because he said on camera, that, you know, when he was becoming speaker of the house, that God, he says this, he goes, you know, God woke me up in the middle of the night. And he's like, hey, buddy, I think you're going to be Moses. And I'm just like, the fact that we have the speaker of the house who claims that God woke him up in the middle of the night, tapped him on the shoulder, and told him he was going to be Moses and part the sea and be the speaker of the house is fucking crazy. And we also have to talk about the fact that Mike Johnson lives with this evangelical preacher. their roommates, the evangelical preacher was spotted by neighbors answering the door in his panties one time as Mike got home from work, all right? This evangelical preacher is connected to this guy in Nashville who is a multi-millionaire

car guy, big Christian guy, who's when his wife divorced him, accused him in the divorce filings of forcing her to watch gay porn. Mike Johnson also has all these prey the gay away. conversion camps. He has an app on his phone where he monitors him and his son monitor each other. He'll hold them accountable so they're not jacking off, which is normal. So they're not watching gay porn. Right. Right. So Moses, Mike, is a good one. We call Ron DeSantis, Kittenhills, governor Kittenhills, because he always wears a little booster because he's so short. Yes, he does. I forgot about that. We call Mark Wayne Mullins, the senator from our state, when he questions people

were ranked 50th in education. And he says, when was you? fired. We call him booster box Mullins because he also stands on a booster box when he's at the podium. And they just kind of, the nickname just kind of come to us. Well, it's great because, uh, go ahead, Matt. Is there one for Ryan Walters, the superintendent

that you guys got over there in Oklahoma? Because I really don't like that guy. No, we hate him. I, you know, here's the thing. Matt, it's so awful to cover local politics. I don't watch it at all. So I only see Ryan Walters.

and he's on the local news all the time when he comes on the national news. And I'm like, oh my God, oh my God, I can't believe it. But here's the thing about Ryan Walters. There is a local blogger named the Lost Ogle. And he has these people that are called the Ogle Moles. Somebody sent him, and you can Google it and find the picture. Ryan Walters is sitting on a bench with this guy and they're touching each other's inner thighs. It's totally gay.

I mean, it's just as gay as it gets, right? which comes as a surprise to no one that he's slap and tickling when he's not buying Trump Bibles, right? Or accidentally screening porn for the people that he works with, which is another story that accidentally screens retro nudie flick for a school board members. Accidentally. Whoops. This was a glitch. That's amazing.

I mean, the fact that you're combating, Trump has really fallen off in the nickname game. So you're filling a vacuum here for. for righteousness. We'll read some IMs because people have many thoughts and much love for you, Jennifer, before we let you go. By my time says Jennifer is hilarious, feels like the fun half came early today. And North Dakota Lama says, we don't catch Eric Trump licking the coke off his teeth on camera, like old Donnie Jr.

So that's allegedly. Allegedly, it's what it looked like, gumming. Not that I would know. Brett, Jennifer's statement on Megachurch familiarity reminds me of Twain's easier to abuse people than to convince them they've been abused paraphrase a little bit there Nick O'9

Kirk was the perfect nice young man for conservative moms to fawn over I feel like that's true Nice young clansman Yeah Human phone book if I were religious I'd think Trump may be the antichrist But I also think the only people dumb enough to follow the Antichrist are the only people who believe in the concept of the Antichrist.

Can we talk about what's his face that's having a conference on the Antichrist? Peter Thiel. Well, that's, J.D. Vance, O's his entire, speaking about, uh, what, uh, smoky eye, he was ill queer writing. Yeah, we have, yeah. There you go. And dorky and not attractive. And then he goes off to Peter Till gay camp and he comes back queer eyed thin,

yassified eyeliner. Peter Thiel totally queer-eyed, smoky, little smoky. Yeah, it's he's, the scariest part of this is the idea that Peter Thiel, who brings up the Antichrist all the time, and it sounds as like he's describing himself, that he has, if Trump, you know, ends up perishing of natural causes, given his health situation, they have all of the, the mechanisms in place to have Peter Thiel just like completely sees power through his, you know, a little bitch boy, smoke. A little smoky. Yeah. But I mean, I did a whole, I did a whole episode on the progression of J.D. Vance. Because remember, remember when he was in the hillbilly elegy days, he wasn't that cute and chubby and he didn't dress very well. He goes off to Peter Thiel's boot camp and he comes back queer-eyed and yassified. And we are one new cycle away from a smoky eye. I hear you on that. I mean, people really, really appreciate your appearance here. I'll read some of these more. more of these in the fun half, but I got to let you go. Jennifer Welch, everybody check out the I've Had It Podcast. It's a great show and it's, we try to laugh about the news here too, but sometimes I need a podcast that makes me laugh independently of the show and I always go to you guys over there.

Say hi to Pumps for me and thanks so much for coming on, Jennifer. Thanks for having me on you guys. Bye. Of course. Bye. With that, we're going to wrap up the free part of the show. We kind of did a little bit of like a Friday-ish vibe here. but I wanted to make sure that we didn't paywall that interview.

I mean, how could we have gone short with either of our guests today? I know. Phenomenal, phenomenal, really happy about it. Thanks to Jennifer for coming on. With that, we're going to wrap up here and head into the fun half. Matt, what's happening on Left Reckoning? Yeah, Devin O'Shea, talking about Vineland, a book that there's a new movie coming out called One Battle After Another.

that is based on a Thomas Pynchon novel called Vineland. And we go deep in, we use that an excuse to do basically a literary hangover episode on the book, Vineland, which is, it's one of the more accessible pension books to read. It's shorter. It's not like, you know, a giant brick

that you could use as a doorstop. And it's also, it's written in 1990, about 1984, at sort of the height of Reaganite repression and sort of bureaucratic. cratic purging and it follows a bunch of different informants of people who's sort of returned by the cointel or whatever during the 60s and 70s. So a very interesting novel with a lot of relevant messages for today. So I'm kind of excited. I'm a little bit leery of the movie. I did

like Paul Thomas Anderson's Inherit Weiss adaptation of Pynchon. This one seems to be a lot looser. None of the character names are the same or anything like that. There's a lot more action in the movie than there is in the book, but still nonetheless excited to watch it. So that would be tonight, 7 o'clock Eastern time. I am seeing the movie on Saturday. I could not be more excited. I'm a big Paul Thomas Anderson fan. And I'm trying to stay away from reviews.

But I have heard that the politics of it are very good, which if that's the source material of it. I mean, Pynchon has the greatest politics of really any person to ever live. As far as I'm concerned, we'll get into that why guys like me and, um, Devin like Pynchon and yeah I'm very excited

to see it a little bit upset that well I won't get it too into Johnny Greenwood doing the yes Johnny Greenwood

doing the soundtrack Johnny Greenwood and DiCaprio's Israeli hotels which you should be asked about in the promo for this

he should especially because Israel does play a role in the actual novel of Vineland where it talks about the

Uzi a lot and the Israeli punchment for it I'm worried that you're spoiling the movie, but... I have no idea what the movie's even like. But I know what the book is like. I am... He should be asked about that.

Oh, you said something else that I wanted to mention. Oh, shoot. I forget. No, we'll just head into the fun half then, I guess. We won't take calls today. I'm sorry, it's going to be a truncated fun half. Oh, what I wanted to say is Quentin Tarantino, you grow out of that phase, and then you learn about Paul Thomas Anderson,

and then you realize, like, oh, in terms of, like, great filmmakers of our time. There's really no comparison. Look, I liked I think I, Jane goes to lightly disagree, but Oh, really? Jane goes Tarantino, right? Like, I like that and glorious bastards, but I'll say I

never, I bought the Kill Bill's on DVD back in the day and never really understood what the whole deal was about those. I just find it fun. They have a friendship and a friendly rivalry and I just, I used to love Tarantino and then I got more into Paul Thomas and I felt like I was much more area-dyed, but

Brian's, uh, has a respectful disagree. Oh, Jackie Brown's great too, but yeah. They're neck and neck, in my opinion. All right. Well, uh, when happens to live in Israel and so it makes it move right. I forgot about that. Way fucking harder to deal with. That vindicated.

Um, and it's not Paul Thomas Anderson. All right, guys, see you in the fun half. Okay, Emma, please. Well, I just, I feel that my voice is sorely lacking on the majority report. Wait. Oh, look. Sam was on popular.

I do deserve a vacation at Disney World. So, ladies and gentlemen, it is my pleasure to welcome Emma to the show. It is Thursday. I think you need to take over for Sam. That's good. Sir, I'm gonna, I'm gonna pause you right there. Wait, what? You can't encourage Emma to live like this.

And I'll tell you why. So it was offered a tour, sushi, and poker with the boys. Tour? Sushi and poker with the boys. Who was offered a tour? Yeah. Sushi and poker with the boys. What?

Twur. Sushi and poker. Tim's upset? Dwerp. Sushi and poker with the boys. It's offered a twirp, sushi and... That's what we call it bids. Dwerp, sushi and poker with the boys.

Right. Dwerp, sushi and over. We're going to get demonetized. I just think that what you did to Tim Poole was mean. Free speech. That's not what we're about here. Look at how sad he's become now. You shouldn't even talk about it because I think you're responsible.

I probably am in a certain way, but... Let's get to the meltdown here. trying to be a dick right now, but, like, I absolutely think the U.S. should be providing me with a wife and kids. That's not what we're talking about here. It's not a fun job. That's a real thing. That's a real thing.

Willie Walker. That's a real thing. That's a real thing. That's a real thing. That's a real thing. That's a real thing. That's a real thing. Ladies and gentlemen, Joe Rogan has done it again.

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That's got poker Let's go Joe Twerp Sushi and poker with the boy Take it easy thing Twerp Things have really gotten out of hands

Sushi and poker with the boys Illusioned You don't have a clue as to what's going on Live YouTube Sam has like the weight of the world on the shoulders Sam doesn't want to do this show anymore. It was so much easier. When the majority report was just you, you were happy. Let's change the subject.

Rangers and Nick's going right. Now, shut up. Don't want people saying reckless things on your program. That's one of the most difficult parts of this show. This is a pro-killing podcast. I'm thinking maybe it's kind of we bury the hatchet. Left is best. Trump. Violet twerk? Don't be foolish. And don't fucking tweet at me and don't get changed.

The way that has cucked all of these people love it. That's where my heart is. I wrote my honor's thesis about it. Oh, she wrote an anesthesia. I guess I should hand the main mic to you now. You are to the right-office on the foreign policy. We already fund Israel, dude. Are you against us?

That's a tougher question. I don't have an answer to me. Incredible theme song. I bumblers. Emma Viglin, absolutely one of my favorite people. Actually, not just in the game, like, period. Thank you.