The Majority Report with Sam Seder - 3593 - Delgado's Vision for New York; Trump's Assault on Housing w/ Jesse Coburn, Antonio Delgado

Episode Date: October 1, 2025

It's Hump Day on the Majority Report On today's show: The government has shut down as Republicans continue to spread lies about undocumented immigrants receiving free health care under the Democrats initial offer. Former OMB Manager under Trump, Mick Mulvaney is confronted on News Nation by Brian Tyler Cohen about this myth of free health care for the undocumented and he refuses to answer and ends the segment. Two GOP senior appropriators are quoted in Bloomberg saying it wouldn't make sense for the Democrats to agree to spending bill. ProPublica reporter on housing, Jesse Coburn joins the program to discuss Trump's war on public housing. New York's Lt. Gov Antonio Delgado joins us to discuss his campaign to challenge his own boss Kathy Hochul in the 2026 gubernatorial Democratic primary. In the Fun Half: On All In With Chris Hayes, AOC emphasizes that the GOP are weaker than we think and that's why they are doubling down on cruelty in public. Representative Brendan Boyle (D-PA) uses Speaker Mike Johnson's district as an example of how high health care premiums will increase under the GOP spending bill. Tim Pool wrestles with himself about the differences between the collateral murder videos from wiki-leaks and Trump bombing fishermen in the Caribbean. Jim Breuer tries to have a serious talk about Jimmy Kimmel's suspension but cannot restrain himself from turning into a screaming lunatic. All that and more. The Congress switchboard number is [phone]. You can use this number to connect with either the U.S. Senate or the House of Representatives. Become a member at JoinTheMajorityReport.com: https://fans.fm/majority/join Follow us on TikTok here: https://www.tiktok.com/@majorityreportfm Check us out on Twitch here: https://www.twitch.tv/themajorityreport Find our Rumble stream here: https://rumble.com/user/majorityreport Check out our alt YouTube channel here: https://www.youtube.com/majorityreportlive Gift a Majority Report subscription here: https://fans.fm/majority/gift Subscribe to the AMQuickie newsletter here: https://am-quickie.ghost.io/ Join the Majority Report Discord! https://majoritydiscord.com/ Get all your MR merch at our store: https://shop.majorityreportradio.com/ Get the free Majority Report App!: https://majority.fm/app Go to https://JustCoffee.coop and use coupon code majority to get 10% off your purchase Check out today's sponsors: BABBEL: Learn a new Language and get up to 55% off your subscription at Babbel.com/MAJORITY SUNSET LAKE:  Head to SunsetLakeCBD.com and use the code JustTreats25 to save 30% on all their gummies for sleep, focus, and relaxation Follow the Majority Report crew on Twitter: @SamSeder @EmmaVigeland @MattLech Check out Matt’s show, Left Reckoning, on YouTube, and subscribe on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/leftreckoning Check out Matt Binder’s YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/mattbinder Subscribe to Brandon’s show The Discourse on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/ExpandTheDiscourse Check out Ava Raiza’s music here! https://avaraiza.bandcamp.com/

You are listening to a free version of The Majority Report. Support this show at join the Majority Report.com and get an extra hour of content daily. The Majority Report with Sam Cedar. It is Wednesday. October 1st, 2025. My name is Sam Cedar. This is the five-time award-winning majority report. We are broadcasting live steps from the industrially ravaged Gowanus Canal in the heartland of America, downtown Brooklyn, USA.

On the program today, Jesse Coburn, reporter at ProPublica covering housing, transportation, cities, and infrastructure on the Trump administration's assault on public housing. then lieutenant governor of new york antonio delgado challenging sitting governor kathy hokel the 26 democratic gubernatorial primary will be here also on the program government shutdown day one republicans immediately run to the microphones to lie as to why the government is shut down have no fear Trump will fund the Argentine bailout and continue

his ice goons operations across the country Pete Higgseth complains that generals are too fat and Trump says U.S. cities to become war game sites meanwhile

new economic numbers in a surprise to some, I guess, U.S. private payrolls declined precipitously. Trump polls clown car economist nominee

for the Bureau of Labor Statistics, guy roundly criticized as being unqualified. Of course, the government is shut down, so we won't see any of those statistics. U.S. eases South Korean worker

visas rules in wake of its disastrous Hyundai raid. Reagan appointed federal district judge finds the Trump regime violated the First Amendment in targeting non-citizens over Gaza protests. Very important ruling. Everyone in the country, regardless of their status, is protected by the First Amendment

constraints on our government by our Constitution. DOJ using the Face Act, an act used to protect abortion clinics to sue pro-Palestinian protesters. Gaza City Exodus is overwhelming aid efforts in southern Gaza, and just breaking the Supreme Court allows Lisa cook to continue to be a Fed, sit on the Fed board, of course, because capital Uber Alas. All this and more on today's majority report. Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, it is in the words of Emma Viglin. Jump the gun.

Damn it. It is in the words of Emma Vigland. Bring me on here, Brian. Hello? Oh, I'm on? Oh, we don't see that thing anymore. We're missing that window. We can't see that window. Yeah, I need that window back. All right. Well, I'm here.

And you already said your catchphrase that you came up with that has really caught on every six months. We'll remind people of that bad joke, that full-on dad joke. It's part of my brand now. Keep going. Keep it going. We've got a lot to talk about. The government has shut down. There were three Democrats, or I should say three who caucus with Democrats, who voted to, in favor of ending conversation on the Republican continuing resolution. That was Federman.

Surprise, surprise. Angus King, who also voted in that way in March, and Catherine Cortez Mastow in Nevada. It is really important that you call your Democratic senators and tell them to hold the line, particularly if you are in New Hampshire or in Nevada, because Maggie Hassan is one of those Democrats who voted the last time around. Jackie Rosen, also in Nevada. Gallego is also one who needs encouragement. Kirsten Gillibrand. Look at who voted and capitulated to Trump the first time around. I think it was around 10 Democrats, if I remember correctly, in the Senate.

They should be prime targets for calls. The good news is that Gillibrand has a, I think it is, full weekend junket in a wine cellar in Sonoma Valley. Hey, hey, hey, wine cave. Wine cave in Sonoma Valley, forgive me, with, is it, Haley Stevens? Yes, the APEC. We will win. So they are going to be rallying in support of wine producers, Somaliés, wine reps, and

and collectors, wine collectors. Wine collectors. I mean, we have a big tent in the Democratic Party. Yes, all of those. Somaliers, wine representatives, wine collectors, and wine producers. They're all, there's room for all of them in the, in the Democratic. Tuscan-inspired spa. Exactly.

But if you're, cold plunges. Yeah, pro-Palestine, obviously you're not in the tent. But it's a big tent. It's a big tent. 10. It's a big 10. All right, but let's get to some of the Republican talking points that are being rolled out. Speaker Johnson went out there, and he, you know, it's frustrating to watch the host say, and I saw Caitlin Collins do this with him as well. they to their credit they basically say you're lying and none of what you're saying is true but then they let him finish his uh you know his lie um later in the program we will

specifically address jd vance's lie but understand they were always going to lie about something so it's not like this government shutdown is giving them a unique opportunity to lie what it is doing is it's giving the democrats a unique opportunity to press their point whether it's specifically about this budget or about the trump administration at large understand we are right at the precipice of the economy uh going into the crapper jobs numbers are down inflation is up that is a it's not even a recipe for

stagflation that's almost the definition of stagflation so there's a big opportunity here for Democrats to come out and while they're shoving microphones in their faces and carrying it on the news to carry this message

but here's the Republicans attempt and of course it's focused on immigrants that's all they got This morning, the Democratic proposal is designed to prevent millions of Americans from losing their health insurance, losing Medicaid coverage, or paying higher health care premiums. Why are you against that? That's an absurd statement what you said there. Let's be clear about what happened last night, George.

No, George, let me tell you what happened last night. Everybody can go and review the facts for themselves. 44 Senate Democrats voted to reject a clean, non-partisan continuing funding resolution to keep the United States government open. The Democrats said instead that they wanted to give health care to illegal aliens instead of keeping critical services provided for the American citizens. That's what happened plain and simple. Every Democrat in the House except one voted against the clean, continued resolution. It was nonpartisan in nature. There are no policy writers on it that Republicans favored.

It's exactly what Chuck Schumer and other Democrats voted for in March. But they've changed their tune. Can you pause it? I'm sorry. That is why it was so essential. But Schumer not cave in March because then he has that talking point there. Why it's important to shut down the government now is because a clean continuing resolution as he's referring to would be an extension of the already horrific budget that those Democrats agreed upon and cave to earlier this year. It gives them less of a leg to stand on right now when they allowed it to get to the floor and allowed the budget to pass. It's why that there needs to be more made of the fact that Donald Trump is breaking the law by going around and not funding things that we have appropriated.

Now, Schumer did mention this when he came out of that meeting yesterday after praising Donald Trump or two days ago. mentioned that as a pocket rescission and impoundment, which, you know, again, we know what that means because we do that for a living. But normal Americans do not know about the 1974 impoundment act. All you need to say is Donald Trump is abusing his story with tariffs and with spending. And there's no point in us passing a budget if he's going to do that. But let's let, yes, but you're right. You know, that was so much stronger if they had all stood in opposition to the horrific budget that strips millions of people would medic from medicate if they did that in the uh but uh let's just let uh mike johnson uh grind this out a little more democrats voted for in

march but they've changed their tune they changed their tune because chuck schumer is having political problems right now that's just a simple fact and everybody knows that he's trying to outrun the far left portion of his base so he's decided to inflict pain on the american people here are facts let me here are the facts the proposal does not provide health care for illegal immigrants. Illegal immigrants cannot buy health care under the Affordable Care Act. They cannot receive health care subsidies. Illegal immigrants are ineligible for Medicare, Medicaid, and the Children's Health Program. The Democratic bill does not make them eligible. It does, actually, because what it does is it unwinds the changes that Republicans put it into

the big... Okay, we don't need to hear him grind this stuff out anymore. The fact is that um the uh this bill only extends uh affordable care act subsidies or i should say the one that the democrats offered extends affordable care act subsidies and tries to reverse the medicaid cuts that are coming in 2026 now nobody knows uh or i should say really uh into 2027 nobody is feeling those medicaid cuts we're about a month or two away from feeling the exploding premiums in the exchanges then of course that goes everywhere else everything else they're talking about the idea that undocumented immigrants have access to health care under either Medicaid or under the Affordable Care Act is not

true we have a law in this country that anybody who shows up in the ER with an emergency situation is treated regardless of their citizenship but you cannot as an undocumented immigrant go in and get health insurance. Now, some states have chosen to expand their coverage, but that is not a function of what the feds are doing. That is a function of what they're doing with their own Medicaid programs. And the ACA in it statutorily explicitly says that if you are undocumented, you are not able to access or buy into the exchanges, even if you were to pay out of pocket. This was in the law. And Biden

towards the end of his lame duck term changed or allowed for dreamers who are a little half a million around dreamers in this country who have legal status allowed, it expanded the ACA that will allow them to buy into it. But the Trump

administration have already reversed it by saying that they under like HHS, they are not lawfully present. So they've reversed even that he has no leg to stand on he's just explicitly lying yeah and that uh the the the the dreamers to be clear um are here because of prosecutorial discretion that it uh that um would they do not technically have um legal status because it was never codified under uh obama or Biden for that matter

uh as a statute as a statute um They were included as people who, because of the prosecutorial discretion, could qualify as having a legal status. And again, like you say, HHS reversed that. So there's no difference. But here is also two Republicans who are arguing there's no reason for the Democrats to pass a continuing resolution or a budget because the president has shown on. multiple occasions he doesn't care what the budget is he's going to spend the money the way he wants here is a quote uh and i think this is from uh bloomberg uh represent mike simpson republican idaho i don't think the democrats want to shut down either they're concerned right now

and it's a legitimate concern is how can we agree to any deal when our o m b director russell vote will just impound the funds in other words not spend them and say, we're not going to spend them there. Here is another quote from another Republican, a senior Republican member of the Appropriations Committee. Quote, if you're a Democrat, even just like a mainstream Democrat, your predisposition might be to help negotiate with Republicans on a funding mechanism. Why would you do that if you know whatever you negotiate is going to be subject to the

knife pulled out by Russ vote. So in other words, and let's be clear, I mean, they're talking about the White House and Donald Trump, it's not like Russ Vote is operating outside of that. They know that there's no

point to this. Here is Mick Mulvaney, former chief of staff of Trump, who apparently, because he's out of the business a little bit, he's not as slippery about lying and can't embarrass himself in the same way because he's probably working as a lobbyist

somewhere right now. But here he is on News Nation. I don't know who the guy in the middle is, but the other guys, Brian Tyler Cohen. I see both sides not even agreeing on some of the facts here. You know, the Trump says Democrats want to give health care to illegal immigrants. You have Democrats who say this is about Medicare and Obamacare. If it's not even agreement there, that's where the hesitation I have is. That's where I'm concerned. I would just say, if you are hosting a new show and you have hesitation about the facts, there's an easy way to resolve this.

You go to page 51 of the appropriations bill that the Democrats offered, and you will see, subtitled, keep going, no, no, go down, go down, subtitled D, Medicaid. You will see there is nothing in there that refers to expansion to undocumented immigrants. Go ahead. Go back. And as we've said before, the undocumented immigrants subsidize our health care, because they still pay taxes, but they don't get the benefits. But regardless, if this guy's just having a question of fact, I have an idea for you. Get the effing internet. What's your job?

There, that's where the hesitation I have is. That's where I'm concerned that we're going to even see anything. Mick, would you agree that not a single dime of ACA subsidies goes toward undocumented immigrants. Would you agree with me that what the big, one big beautiful, Bill did? I mean, answer the question. It's not good hard to just answer the question. Again, listen, we don't do this on this show. I don't know if you've ever been on here before, but that's, we don't talk over.

We're not here to yell each other. I'm not going to do this anymore, Jesse. Okay. All right. There you go. That's the answer right there. Can't even acknowledge, can't even acknowledge objective reality. Brian, Mick responded.

Mike responded. Brian responded. No, that's not actually what happened. No. He raged quit. He's through his controller at the TV. Listen, they want to talk about whatever the big beautiful bill did. Whatever the big beautiful bill did, it's not its real name, whatever that bill did has no, nothing to do with this except for the idea of not cutting all of those people on Medicaid.

But in terms of like, and those people on Medicaid were never undocumented immigrants. And so they don't want to answer this question because they know that's the case. Now, the government is going to continue to stay shut down. This is probably going to last, I would imagine weeks at a minimum. But at one point, people are going to get these huge bills from the ACA in the exchanges, and that's going to cause everybody's premiums to go up. And if Schumer, if Schumer caves and the only, in the end, the only thing he gets are the ACA subsidies and, and making sure that those health care costs don't go up, that is good for Americans, but know that that's what Republicans secretly want. Of course.

Because they are the, they timed the big ugly ass bill to have the Medicaid cuts where you're going to have between 10 to 12 million people. uninsured by 2034 because of these cuts, they timed it to hit right after the midterms. But as Sam says, these ACA's marketplace expansion, or the ACA costs going up like this in the exchanges, that would be felt immediately. In a moment, we're going to be talking to Jesse Coburn,

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It's a big portfolio, Jesse, and I would imagine most of the news, not great. Yeah, hasn't been a great news cycle for my beat recently. But let's talk about specifically in terms of housing and what's been going on at HUD. HUD started off, it seems like, their first agenda was to roll back any actions that they were doing to protect tenants or reverse discrimination. just fill us in on that or you know maybe even just give us a tick talk through um uh the trump administration up to this point sure so uh trump nominated scott turner to be his hud secretary um scott turner is a deeply conservative uh republican from texas who served in the first trump administration um on his opportunity zone council in the white house and uh you know they

wasted no time kind of implementing his vision for housing policy at HUD, you know, massive layoffs at the agency, pretty much right away. There are a number of Doge staffers at HUD who were, you know, implementing lots of reforms right away. The first wing of HUD that really took a hit was the Fair Housing Office. That's the part of HUD that investigates and enforces, you know, housing discrimination and segregation laws. There are really steep cuts there. And just to ask you, the fair housing, does that cover all housing issues across the board, private and public, or just specifically with any type of public housing or section 8?

Private and public. So, you know, private landlords discriminating against their tenants, you know, wanting to kick out a tenant because a woman is pregnant. wants to have a kid, or, you know, mortgage lenders who refuse to lend in black neighborhoods, or, you know, cities that are engaging in wholesale segregationist policies. That's the sort of thing that that part of HUD goes after. And that work has really kind of ground to a halt under the Trump administration. They've shut down many major investigations into fair housing. I think that that office's staff is dropped by half. It's sort of just,

really gumming up the works of fair housing enforcement. And then on the housing assistance side of things, recently ProPublica obtained two proposals from the Trump administration still unpublished to dramatically change public housing, Section 8 housing vouchers, basically the nation's major rental assistance programs that serve, you know, some of the country's poorest residents by basically what the administration wants to do we found was to implement or to all. allow housing providers to impose pretty harsh work requirements and term limits on receiving that sort of assistance. And so when we talk about HUD, those are the two functions, basically, it serves.

It's either protecting people's rights in the context of housing or providing some type of housing assistance. Yeah, I mean, they actually do a lot more than that as well. Those are the main functions. They also give out billions of dollars in grants to communities across the country for community development programs. They actually do a lot of disaster relief stuff, which most people associate with FEMA. HUD does a lot of that as well. The housing finance is housed within HUD as well. So, you know, mortgage policy stuff that's also happening at HUD. I mean, I just want to know

just because of the irony of all this, that Trump back in the 70s was sued by the DOJ for racial discrimination at his own properties. And he had a consent decree. Yeah. I mean, this goes back very very deep into his political history although the republicans are all about this generally but that's right uh go ahead all right well let's so um walk us through the the the idea is how do we kick i mean from their perspective how do we kick as many people out of public housing or public housing support uh through a section eight program how do we do that as as much as possible without explicitly saying we're going to do that. I mean, that's sort of what they did with Medicaid as well. We're just, they pretended they're cutting undocumented people from it, and they're

just cutting people from it. And so walk us through what they are, what those requirements, or I should say, what those levers they're going to use to eliminate people that, help that we give people in terms of housing? Sure. So HUD has drafted two major rules that it hasn't formally introduced yet, but seems likely that it will. That would just dramatically overhaul how these federal housing assistance programs work. The first rule would allow public housing providers and private landlords that rent to tenants supported by things like Section 8 housing vouchers to require those tenants to work in order to continue to live in that federally assisted housing, and it would allow those housing providers to kick those tenants out

after two years. So, you know, if you live in public housing, you've been living there for 30 years, you know, you might have to leave two years from now, and you might have to work full-time in those intervening two years. Okay, wait a second. So those are two separate requirements, right? You're saying you're only limited to public housing for two years, which is, I mean, anybody who's moved knows like there's a cost associated with that, not to mention that there's no guarantee that you're going to be able to afford other housing. So these are two separate requirements. One is the automatic kickout after two years. And then the other is the work requirements. Let's take the work requirements. A landlord who's getting Section 8 vouchers can be in charge of assessing

whether you are working or not. And like, that sounds like one of the most effed up things I've ever heard. Aside from, and we'll get into sort of the generic implications of so-called work requirements, but is this every member of a household? Is it just one member of a household? How does it work? So the work requirements would apply to, quote-unquote, work-eligible adults. So basically, if you're elderly or disabled, you wouldn't know a housing provider could

require this of you. And there are other smaller carve-outs if you're pregnant, if you're a college student, this couldn't apply to you. But for pretty much every other work-eligible adult, and that includes, you know, parents of children. So if you have a child ages seven or older, this could apply to you. Also, you know, aren't we supposed to be encouraging stay-at-home moms? Yeah, well, you know, I think, you know, this administration, Scott Turner, particular, you know, they strongly associate welfare with this idea of broken families, single parent households, and, you know, and this sort of culture of dependency on government assistance. And so I think that's really what they're targeting here. And I, just to paint a

picture for people, because the overall numbers you cite in your piece are really horrifying. Four million people could lose federal housing assistance under these two new rules. And for folks that they're unaware, it's like what the average in terms of people's income, average family is making less than $20,000 annually that is reliant on this federal assistance. So to Sam's point about moving, to all of these kinds of points about having a private landlord allowing them to see if you are working and having them come to you and they can evict you, based on that. Assessing your disability. Yes. I mean, it's horrifying. You're saying that you're, I don't recognize the college you're going to. I mean, what, like, there's a whole, like, the amount

of problems involved in that is, seems stunning to me. And these are all just like, these would all just be civil actions, I guess, on the part of the landlord, right? Or like, uh, to just sue and then have the payments on section eight cut off. But I imagine we have an, administration that's going to be very open to the idea of it being challenged and maybe even like a default agree with the landlord and less proven otherwise. Yeah. And I think another thing you could see is you could see states adopting laws that say, you know, if you rent to Section 8 renters or if you're a public housing authority in our state, you have to have requirements. You have to have term limits. So you could see this sort of being adopted de facto by whole states.

I think you mentioned in your piece about this, Georgia's experiment with work requirements for Medicaid recipients. We've talked about it many times in this program, but just retell what they found with that experiment. I'm actually not familiar with that experiment, but I did look a little bit into the research generally on work requirements in welfare programs. And apparently what researchers have primarily found is that, they don't really effectively promote employment, but they are very effective at removing people from benefits. So they're good at kicking people off of benefits. They're not terribly effective at, you know, getting people who receive benefits to work more. Well, sorry, I may have seen that somewhere else, but I'll just remind people that in Georgia,

and not only did it do the things that you talked about, it also ended up costing an extra like $600 million because apparently, like, there's work to be done to, find out if somebody has work. And so you need to build that apparatus. Where are we now and how is the government a shutdown going to affect things? I think that, you know, these proposals are probably on ice for the time being the big news out of HUD yesterday related to the shutdown was there is a massive banner across the web page that was basically blaming the shutdown on Democrats. I think that's something that other federal agencies have been putting out as well, that sort of messaging. But, you know, they talked about introducing these requirements in the last Trump administration.

They never got around to it. But I think the fact that they, you know, already have rules drafted this early in the second Trump administration indicates that they're serious about putting this through. And I just want to mention the second rule as well, because we haven't touched on it, which is targeting basically immigrant households. receiving federal housing assistance. These are so-called mixed status families in which some members of the household are in the country legally ineligible for assistance, and others are not, either because they're undocumented or they have some other immigration status that makes them ineligible for benefits. HUD wants to kick all of those households out of federally assisted housing. So the way it's worked so far is that the government has allowed those people to be supported by federal

housing programs, but it prorates the subsidy they receive so that the government is not actually providing any financial assistance to the undocumented family members. But now, HUD is saying, no, we want all of those people to leave. And so under this other rule, those 20,000 families would likely be kicked out. 16,000 of those families are families with kids. So that's who this would be affecting. And as part of that rule, HUD also wants to require that anyone who applies for or receives housing assistance, anyone in public housing or Section 8, if they're a citizen, they have to prove it. So they have to either provide a birth certificate or a passport to show that they're actually citizens. And sort of to your point, Sam, earlier about the administrative

costs of all this, it's going to create this massive bureaucracy and kind of red tape around housing assistance that experts who I spoke to think is going to result in a lot of people just being kicked off of their benefits simply because they can't, they don't have a birth certificate, or they don't have time to go get one or whatever. Or it's going to create a, create these massive administrative overhead costs for these public housing authorities who suddenly, you know, are like the passport checkers of the whole federal housing program. So that's the other rule that's also in the works right now. And this is all in the shadow of the Faircloth Amendment, which I still think does not get

enough attention, the idea that we have had a cap on the construction of federal public housing since 1998 or 1999 or whatever since it's been passed. like these are, it's already a threadbare system, whether it's public housing or, you know, section eight or what you're talking about or the subsidization for some of these other privately held units and living spaces. We, we, there's just not enough public housing as there is, let alone, uh, what we're seeing in terms of them trying to kick people out based on racist and xenophobic ends explicitly with the immigration piece.

Yeah. I think what's worth noting here as well is what the administration, what its overall picture for housing is, I mean, if you look at the Trump budget proposal, they want to cut public housing, Section A, these rental assistance programs by like nearly 50%. They want to turn these programs into block grants, basically just hand them over the states and say you deal with it. So, you know, their ambition is to dramatically curtail the federal government's efforts to help poor people afford housing. And just to be clear, if I am a single mother of two, my children were born here in the United States. They are American citizens because we still have birthright citizenship in this country. I am undocumented or my visa has expired or I am still at this point people are getting deported, even if they have documents and are in the process of applying for citizenship or applying for a green card or applying for any other type of visas. So I don't even want to say undocumented necessarily. The federal government gives me not three portions essentially of Section 8 funding, but two for the three of us.

So we either have to live in a smaller apartment than would be called for. for an individual with two kids or we subsidize it in some fashion everybody gets kicked out under this Trump proposal. These kids are essentially made

unhoused. That's right. And what's interesting about that is because the government isn't subsidizing everyone in those mixed households, those households actually pay more. And so, enacting this proposal of kicking out all the immigrant mixed households and replacing them

with fully eligible households, it's going to cost the federal government like an additional hundreds of millions of dollars every year to provide federal housing assistance. So, you know, for a government that is reportedly obsessed with cutting costs, this is actually going to dramatically increase costs for this administration. Yeah, I mean, this is really just a way of cutting out this program and using, again, immigrants as the sort of like a selling tool. I mean, we're seeing this right now with the whole government shutdown. Yeah, I mean, it's certainly of a piece with, you know, everything the administration is doing, you know, on the issue of immigration and, you know, and everything the administration has been doing

in the housing space of immigration. I mean, HUD and DHS, in March announced a data-sharing agreement targeting mixed-status households. Recently, the Washington Examiner, the right-wing news outlet, reported based on HUD sourcing, apparently, that HUD wants to demand that every public housing authority, there's like 3,000 of them across the country, identify all of the mixed households to it. So, you know, there's been this sort of broad effort to identify all these families so that I can kick them out. Do we know if ICE has been sort of like ramping up its, it's enforcement using the data they're getting from HUD?

I looked into that a few months ago and spoke to public housing authorities across the country, and none of them really described any uptick in ICE activity at their housing estates. I think it's maybe more of a practical issue than an ideological one. You know, these mixed families are kind of scattered across the country. I mean, most of them are in California, Texas, and New York, but within New York, you know, within New York, you know, there might be a handful here, handful there. And so it's not really as efficient as, you know, posting up an immigration court, for example, where you know that people who are coming through are going to, you know, potentially have, you know, immigration issues. There's also an issue of, you know, if you're trying to enter someone's private apartment, they technically need to give you permission in order for you to be able to enter unless you have a certain type of warrant. so it's much easier to nab undocumented people in public space,

which is why I think we haven't seen large-scale raids in public housing yet. Jesse Coburn, reporter of ProPublica covering housing, transportation, cities, and infrastructure. We're going to link to your pieces on this HUD memo, and really appreciate your time today. Yeah, thanks for having me. Thanks so much. All right, folks, quick break when we come back, Antonio Delgado, lieutenant governor of New York State. It's also a candidate for governor in the 2026 Democratic gubernatorial primary. We'll be right back after this.

They're back. Sam Cedar, Emma Vigland on the Majority Report. It's a pleasure to welcome to the program, Antonio Delgado. It's the current lieutenant governor of New York State and also a candidate in the Democratic gubernatorial primary in 2026. Lieutenant Governor, welcome to the program. Thanks for having me. Good to be here with you. It's pretty, it's not typical to see a lieutenant governor. running against a sitting governor. And in fact, Hockel was the one, I believe, appointed you at one point when she became a governor. Give us a sense of why you made this decision.

Status quo was broken. It's not working for people every single day. Every day New York was being left behind. And what I have learned is absent bold, decisive transformational change in this moment, we're not going to be in a position to restore people's confidence in this thing we call democracy. Just as a point of reference, in New York, one out of four folks are unable to afford basic necessities. Basic needs, one out of four, two out of five households cannot afford basic necessities across the state. Whether it's upstate, downstate, urban rule, doesn't make a difference.

people are being left behind one in five kids in poverty, half those kids in deep poverty. And, oh, by the way, a $254 billion budget right here in New York, third largest economy in the country, if an independent nation, the ninth in the entire world. Meanwhile, the largest wealth inequality gap of any state in the country. So here we are, the great blue state of New York, and we're exacerbating economic inequality, which, in my estimation, is the poison pill of democracy. so until we actually right-sized this and move beyond the old guard establishment broken system machine politicians we're not going to be able to fix this expand on that notion of

wealth inequality because that's something that we tend to talk about quite a bit around here how does it end up breaking down democracy and and and also the sort of the material condition of people well when i was growing up. So I grew up in Schenectady, working class family. My parents worked for General Electric. Back when GE had a major presence in upstate New York, I cut coupons, put clothes on, layaway, latchkey kid, come home, do my homework, leave it on the counter. I watched my parents work us up into the middle class. And I actually believed that my parents did, too, that I had a better than 50-50 chance of having a better quality of life.

That story of upward mobility is essential to any growing sense of confidence in democracy, this idea of equal opportunity for all. Since my generation, I'm Gen X, since my generation, the folks coming up behind us actually are going to do worse off. Worse off. Right now, the average first-time homeowner age is around 40. 20 years ago, it was 28. The average rent right now is seven times income.

30, 40 years ago, it was three times. So even just the price of admission into opportunity, on the part of the generation coming up behind us is too high to engage. And so if you're being a price out of the project of democracy, why even believe in it in the first place, right? Why do you actually decide to hold on to it if it's not giving you anything in return?

So there's a sense of economic nihilism that sets in that is pervasive across race, across geography now, and I think it's fundamentally undermining our democratic system. Two-thirds of folks right now can't pay, are actually living paycheck to paycheck. You know, they literally cannot survive right now beyond what's literally coming into them on a weekly basis. In the richest country, the world has ever known.

And meanwhile, corporations are making more money than they've ever made them paying less in taxes. Those two things shouldn't go together. So, yes, it is a profound sense of undermining when it comes to the very essence of what a democracy is meant to do, and that is to not leave communities behind. But in fact, we have government actors on both sides. are right now who are reinforcing economic inequality at the expense of everyday New Yorkers and everyday Americans. And I think that was kind of a fatal flaw in the 2024 Harris campaign

with the focus on democracy, where it's why, how are you going to get people to buy into a system that has not been working for them? And there was not requisite acknowledgement of that, which it seems like your campaign is trying to correct. And I found it interesting, you know, you have a different approach to housing, which is arguably the biggest issue for New Yorkers, one of the biggest issues in the country. And you have a difference in strategy than Governor Hockel here, more focused on subsidies. What is your housing proposal for New York State and how does it differentiate from the current governor? I appreciate that.

The housing crisis is fundamental. And the strategy, and not just here in New York, I argue across, you know, the country with regards to democratic politics, is to leverage the private marketplace and a particular big developers with task credits with the hopes that they ultimately build affordable housing. And essentially, you outsource all of the state's capacity, both administratively, technically speaking, and you just say, please, private sector, with all your infinite wisdom, devised for us affordable housing. When we know the driving mechanism for those private actors is profit. So here we are trying to work out a public good in partnership with the private sector,

but the private sector has all the leverage because the private sector then uses its money to compromise political actors to give them what they want in exchange for what's called affordable housing. Why not build up our own state capacity, leverage the public dollars that we have, and then have statewide programs that give money directly to New Yorkers? So for example, a statewide rental assistance program. Right now we have. seven out of ten New Yorkers who are eligible for HUD rental assistance. And right now, our governor has proposed a $50 million pilot program. I would suggest a $250 million statewide program that lifts up all folks who are in need. Or how about a statewide first-time homeowner

grant program so that all those young families who are being priced out of the economy, price out of the American dream, can actually have public dollars reinforce them at a time. of real critical need. That, to me, is the difference. It's taking public dollars and investing them directly in public goods as opposed to taking public dollars and hoping, through the lens of neoliberalism, that the private sector and the free market will somehow work it all out for everybody else. That's just a more sophisticated version of tricklebacked economics, if you ask me. Let's talk about universal health care. What does that mean when the rubber meets the road in the context of, A, what you can do in New York State as opposed to on a federal level,

and B, what it means relative to the question of affordability, you know, how much health care insurance or actual health care are you talking about providing versus making it broadly affordable? I support the New York Health Act, which would create a single- will pay our system right here in New York. The thing that drives me wild crazy about health care is this idea that we're not paying for health care. We're paying for insurance. We're paying for companies to basically extract as much profit as they possibly can at our expense. And that is basically the entirety of our system. And the notion that we're going to continue to allow folks to go

bankrupt, continue to be denied over and over and over again, continue to have to go through God knows how many obstacles just to appeal a denial is insane when we are literally in the richest country the world has ever known. And on top of that, one of the richest states, we have the capacity here to actually sustain ourselves. And the cost savings upwards of $60 billion annually once you get beyond the insurance company's bureaucracy, middle med, infrastructure, red tape, and of course the profiteering mentality, you get beyond all those components. And the savings actually start pouring in. And ultimately, it's, It's a moral question, too. Who are we as a nation if we're not prepared to treat health care

as a genuine human right? So both morally, economically, and I would say even politically now, where we have an actor right now in Washington who is dead set on gutting health care, gutting Medicaid, gutting the entire social safety net. New York has a responsibility to lead in this moment. We have the wherewithal. We have the financial capital of the world. We have among the most billionaires, most millionaires. We have the capacity to live. lead in this moment and demonstrate for all of America what it means to actually not leave anybody behind. Give us a sense of like, you know, how you're going to do this, both as a, as an electoral

as an electoral question, but also in terms of like the coalitions, right? I mean, there's big money in New York. New York is a very, very diverse state. you uh were um a congressperson in between the 18th and the 19th which used to be the old 19th and 20th um that district the 20th in particular uh which just a little bit north of of where you the uh congressman uh was a very sort of like a pivotal district uh jill brand served there go either way as we've seen uh and at one point there was like the Congressman Nassweeney

who was in the... Let me let me clarify one thing, just want to be clear. Just so because I'll make sure the listener knows. The district that you're referring to is actually redrawn in 2010. Yes. And then I ran in 2000, I ran eight years later in 2018. When it was drawn in 2010, no Democrat, including Gillibrand, no Democrat had ever won the district as drawn,

in 2010. It was a 90% white district. It was the eighth most rural congressional seat in the entire country. Obama did win the 19th in 2008. Trump, though, won the district in 2016 by seven points. And at that point, no Democrat had ever won the district. So when I ran and we flipped that seat, I became the first person of color to represent upstate New York in Congress, the first Democrat to actually represent the district. And then we won it again in 2020 by 12 points, and outperformed Biden by 10, and won in counties that Trump himself won at the same time in 2020.

And so to take your question where I think it's going, we can build a coalition here that is rooted in a populist message that speaks to the economic pain that our small family-owned farms, over 5,000 were in my old district, the 27,000 small businesses on those mom and pop stores across those main streets and those rural areas that I saw decimated, both prior to COVID and during COVID, who were being left behind by the concentration of power and monopolies, we have an opportunity to connect that pain to every other New Yorker in the Bronx and Manhattan, to the teams for truck driver, to the young family or the young mother who's trying to work a job in a factory or somebody's working in a bodega. we have the ability to connect all this economic pain across race and across location in this state in a way that I don't think has happened in a very, very long time and it's been long overdue. And that is how you build a coalition.

That's why I was proud to get the endorsement of citizen action, of people power, grassroots campaign. I don't take corporate pack money. I take people's resources, the people's desire to want to fight for something deeper than what we currently have. Governor Hockel, she does take corporate pack money. She's entrenched in corporate power. There's a key distinction here, and I think there's a real appetite for having the kind of candidates in government who can work beyond concentrated corporate power and tie their mission to the people's mission.

Give us a sense of one of the things that may be on the plate of the next governor is working with the potential new mayor in Zoran Mamdani, knock on wood. Give me your perspective towards this, because when Mamdani was first won the primary, and I think maybe prior to that, Hockel seemed to be rather cynical about his opportunity to implement agendas that he's been talking about, implementing in the city, which, you know, frankly are not particularly anything that we haven't seen, maybe in Massachusetts or in Georgia. I mean, most of those ideas have all been implemented it in one place or another. What's your perspective on the potential of working with Zoraamamani?

I endorse Mondami within the first 24 hours of his victory. One, he's the Democratic nominee, and I think it speaks volumes that so-called leaders of the Democratic party wouldn't rally around the Democratic nominee that speaks to a sort of outdated mindset of risk calculus that I think is way behind the times and not remotely what we need right now in this moment. The fact that governor finally came around to supporting Mondami months and months later, I think it's a testament to the fact of what we're actually building in terms of my campaign and the grassroots movement that is going to continue to put a lot of pressure on her throughout this process. What Bandami has proposing requires something very important.

It requires raising taxes on billionaires. It requires raising taxes on big corporations to fund the programs that he's talking about. The governor may have endorsed him three months late. She's also, though, refused to say she will raise taxes on billionaires. She will raise taxes on big corporations. And her logic, by the way, is she's afraid that they will move through Palm Beach. Now, last time I checked, the vast majority of folks who are leaving the state of New York make between $30,000 and $60,000 a year because they're being priced out of New York. And they're not moving to Palm Beach. So it speaks to who she surrounds herself with, typically the donor class, which is why

she's divorced from the reality of everyday New Yorkers. So, yes, I'm very excited to work with somebody like Zoran who understands in this moment that to say you want to address the affordability crisis is not enough. you have to be willing to attack economic inequality if you actually want to address the affordability crisis. You have to be willing to have a desire to say we have to redistribute and reallocate resources in a way that will lift up all communities. It is not a sustainable endeavor. And the notion that is a non-starter for her, it speaks values in my opinion. Lastly, in the event that you become governor, what role does a New York play versus Illinois or Massachusetts or, you know, I mean, California, obviously, fifth largest economy in the world.

What role does it play in terms of a national model in your mind? I think it's a great, it's a great question to end on, because that's a, what keeps me up at night is what is New York's role right now. You know, obviously the goal is to protect New Yorkers and the fight for all New Yorkers, but this is New York. You know, this has long been the state that has been the beacon of hope for the world over, you know, whether it's our immigrant community, whether it's those who have been fighting the good fight for women's rights with the suffrage movement, the founding of the NAACP, the labor movement, the LGBTQ plus movement, Stonewall. There's so much that this

state has historically been a part of when it comes to progress and living up to our democratic ideals. And there's a reason why I think Trump is so aggressively, despite being a New Yorker himself, I think he understands what New York represents to New Yorkers and to the country and to the world. And we have the tip of the spear when it comes to perfecting our union as a nation, in my estimation, with also the financial capital of the world. So we're resourced, we're multicultural, you know, we're the epicenter of tolerance and compassion, of diversity and equity and inclusion. You know, we are the embodiment of everything Trump is trying to tear down.

And it is incumbent upon us to have leadership in this moment that is determined to meet the moment. And that is not a political mindset to be clear. It's not. It's a moral mindset. If you're not willing to think beyond your self-preservation and you're not willing to think beyond your self-preservation and your political positioning in this moment, and you shouldn't be in the business of public service. Matter of fact, you probably should have never been, but certainly

not in this moment, because Trump is beyond politics. He's a chaos agent. He's a morally bankrupt chaos agent that feeds off of our anxieties, off our fears, and does so in a very destructive, destructive, but uninhibited, destructive manner. We need uninhibited love, uninhibitive compassion, uninhibited truth that has to go beyond your typical left-right divide. That's how I won an upstate New York, won over Trump voters, and that's how we can win this entire state. But I think New York in particular has a moment to lead, and I don't feel it right now. There's a massive void in one of the biggest, most important stages in this country and in the

world. So I think we have an opportunity here to really step up and fight and make it clear to folks that New York is here to defend what we've long represented. and to make sure we have a future. And I know that was a great last question, but I'll just add a little. I'll let me let me add one more because I didn't want to forget this. In speaking about that, do you have plans, if you are elected governor to support, say, state divestment from the state of Israel?

And do you recognize the notion that it is committing genocide as the United Nations has basically found? What I have said, and I've said this repeatedly, you know, whether folks want to call it a genocide or not, what's most important to me is we cannot fund it. And I do, and I publicly said that we should not be arming the destruction of Gaza. We need a permanent ceasefire. We need to make sure there's humanitarian aid that goes directly into Gaza. And we need to make sure that we do not in any way, shape, or form continue and enable the destruction of innocent lives in Gaza. And so we as Americans have a responsibility, in my estimation, a moral responsibility, to make sure that we are not putting ourselves in a position. We are enabling this moral abomination.

Antonio Delgado, where can folks get more information if they want to help your campaign in one form or another? Where should people go presumably online? But I guess you probably have offices. Delgado for New York. Delgado for NY.com. Delgado for New York, Delgado for NY.com. And I will note, since you brought up support, New York has a public matching campaign. First time ever that the state is going to have a statewide elected race where the public will match. The state will match donations six to one. Any donation between $5 and $250 will get matched six to one. And we will hopefully, become. I will become the first statewide candidate to qualify for public matching dollars, truly making this a people-powered campaign. That is, to me, most important in this endeavor to make sure that people understand this is a campaign grounded in the will of the people

and not a few. We're going to link to Delgado for New York at majority.fm. Again, Lieutenant Governor, thanks so much for your time today. Really appreciate it. thank you for having me thanks so much all right folks that's the that's the show uh i found him pretty impressive it was uh being a little bit uh you know you know careful on that last question uh you guys avoided asking the real question what was the real question where the med beds are oh right oh yeah we forgot to we forgot to ask if you would be favor of medbeds. Every American will soon receive their own medbed card. Yeah, I like the, at least the supporting, of course, you know, the reality of, you know, not funding it. That's what

we can appreciate as well. I also just want to say, like, you know, I have pretty good knowledge of that district that he came from. And again, the lines of that district between the 18th and 19th and what used to be the 19th and the 20th over the course of the past 2025 years have shifted. but that area really does have a real interesting mix of socio and economic and racial mix between Poughkeepsie and Duchess County and then across the river. Pat Ryan is now the representative of that district. not great on things like immigration necessarily but very good on stuff like on an economic populist vision and also very good on an awareness of partisanship, you know, at least from, you know, congressional

standpoint, but in the context of New York, that partisanship is really sort of less relevant because the Republican Party is, you know, increasingly irrelevant in this state. And it's really just a fight between corporate, would-be Republican Democrats, and Democrats who have a, you know, a more populous vision. So that was awesome. It was good. Looking forward to supporting him in the primary. Indeed. Yeah.

Indeed. It'll be fine. It's going to be so great to, you know, get closer to the midterms, and we see hopefully some of these candidates, I mean, emerging even more and more. Yeah, it's good stuff. Hockel's going to need to ride those buses and start talking about congestion pricing a little bit more, I think. Yeah, yeah. How she had a huge success with the congestion pricing on attempt number four or whatever it was?

We're going to defend it from Trump. Okay, thanks. Okay, after stopping it because Hakeem Jeffries was worried that, like, about, I mean, House Democrats being on the front lines. They were, and then it turns out it's just a popular policy that everyone loves, and you shouldn't be afraid of it. I will also say that I appreciate him referring to the so-called Democratic leadership in the state. Yeah. I'm hoping we get a very good candidate against Hakeem Jeffries.

We'll see. All right. We're going to take a break. Head into the fun half of the program, wherein Emma will find out that big balls apparently was in her replies yesterday on X, according to Niama. He probably is still mad about after when he supposedly allegedly got beat up in D.C., I tweeted, not so big balls. And that made the rounds a little bit. Hey, my balls are big. Yeah, monitoring me for Hades in their hands now.

Who? Yeah. I wish I cared more. Anyway, I thought that was Steve Bannon's burner account. Oh, right. Yes. Yeah, Neeratandon's mad at me. That guy doesn't get many views.

It was only 267 views on his... Is it the real guy? I don't know. I'm going to trust my friends in the government. uh folks just a reminder it's your support that makes this show possible and uh you can go to join the majority report dot com we don't have to discuss it join the majority report dot com um wherein you can help this show survive and thrive not only that you get the free show free of commercials and you get to i am us on the fun half and be the first one to uh let emma know

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Left Ricken, we are 250 subscribers now short of 50K. Come on, people. Have you got like 200 from that push yesterday? I did, yeah, it was a good push. I got to really, like, dig those depths more often. We had Gil Durana

on talking about Peter Thiel's Antichrist Tour. Gill's great on that. And I also had Gwen Howardton talking about the war on trans people in Texas. We were just about talking about it happened. I was immediately a little disappointed because Matt Scoop does, but there you go. We swooped

in there and got the big anti-crase scoop. And also we went into on the post game for patrons of Left Reckoning Ezra Klein's identity crisis and, you know, what his role is, and he doesn't know. So I listened to more of that last night.

got to say in the first 15 minutes or 20 minutes there's this section where tana has he cotes talks about um like how violence is a constant for black people in america and how it's cyclical and his experience about it and ezra literally says he says something about how we if we expand too far in our historical scope we can't meet the moment he was it was the most i mean it was the most condescending, dismissive thing I've ever seen about a black man and an intellectual speaking about the history of racial violence in this country and Ezra basically handwaves it with a bunch of hot air.

That's like Antonin Scalia saying like, look, you know, we've got to stop with these giveaways to black people in voting. Come on. In the part where you say, where Tony sees like, can you actually say what you think your role is? And I don't know what my role is. he basically sorry I lost my train of thought

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all right folks oh i will be oh yeah well i'm going to be gone anyways a thursday but uh to those of you who celebrate uh good yontiff uh tonight it is a obviously it is the uh holiest night of the year uh for jews and it's even more holy for those of us who come from uh massachusetts uh because This is the traditional, if you grew up in this way, where you had to go to Colnidre services and half the people you knew were wearing transistor radios because the Red Sox are playing in the playoffs. So this is a particular holy night where you, Colnidre and the night where the socks sweep. So we will see. Can you catch me wearing Forest Green at Yankee Stadium sitting behind first mate tonight?

That's right. Yes, Brian's going to the game. came tonight. I'm so jealous. You made a, you made the mistake. You, you made a prediction where you should not, because that means that this is not, it's not, you just, you just destroyed your chances. You think of a prediction. I thought you just said it was happening. Yeah, it's not a prediction. It's happening. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The sweep. Yeah. Kamalaire is going to sweep all the swing states. I didn't say that. Yeah, well. This isn't the next. Yeah, it's not the next. It's not the giants.

Um, yes, despite the fact that I am going to, um, uh, uh, celebrate a religious holiday. I don't believe in magic. Okay. Well, so. I just believe, uh, in, in the socks. All right. We'll see you in the fun. Aberrake. Three months from now, six months from now, nine months from now. And I don't think it's going to be the same as it looks like in six months from now. And I don't know if it's necessarily going to be better six months from now than it is three months from now. But I think around 18 months out, we're going to look back and go like, wow. What? What is that going on? It's nuts.

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