The Majority Report with Sam Seder - 3600 - GOP Sweating Shutdown & Trump Targets Dem Activists w/ David Dayen & Francesca Fiorentini

Episode Date: October 10, 2025

It's Casual Friday on The Majority Report On today's Show: Pam Bondi and a crew of absolute lunatics star in an anti-anti-fascist video posted by the White House. Despite the ridiculous nature of their Anti-Fa wild goose chase there will be serious consequences to activists with organizations like Indivisible and Act Blue already being pointed out by the administration. Editor of The American Prospect and co-host of the Organized Money Podcast, David Dayen joins the program to wrap up the week's news. Sam and David discuss the government shutdown, Comedian and host of the Bitchuation Room, Franesca Fiorentini joins the show. If you are in New York, go see Francesca and her husband Matt Lieb's stand up show at the Bell House on Oct. 13 at 7pm. Joe Rogan suddenly grew a heart for immigrants, and it upset his fans. Rogan also had no clue that the Democrats are the ones pushing for the release of the Epstein files. Co-host of The Dollop, Dave Anthony tells a story about trying to hire Joe Rogan to play a role on Maron. Kristi Noem continues to claim Portland is a war zone as more and more costumed protestors dance in the streets. All that and more The Congress switchboard number is [phone]. You can use this number to connect with either the U.S. Senate or the House of Representatives. Follow us on TikTok here: https://www.tiktok.com/@majorityreportfm Check us out on Twitch here: https://www.twitch.tv/themajorityreport Find our Rumble stream here: https://rumble.com/user/majorityreport Check out our alt YouTube channel here: https://www.youtube.com/majorityreportlive Gift a Majority Report subscription here: https://fans.fm/majority/gift Subscribe to the AMQuickie newsletter here: https://am-quickie.ghost.io/ Join the Majority Report Discord! https://majoritydiscord.com/ Get all your MR merch at our store: https://shop.majorityreportradio.com/ Get the free Majority Report App!: https://majority.fm/app Go to https://JustCoffee.coop and use coupon code majority to get 10% off your purchase Check out today's sponsors: NUTRAFOL: Get $10 off your first month’s subscription + free shipping at Nutrafol.com when you use promo code TMR10 WILD GRAIN: Get 5 dollars off your next order at MagicSpoon.com/MAJORITYREPORT. SUNSET LAKE:  Head to SunsetLakeCBD.com and use coupon code “Left Is Best” (all one word) for 20% off of your entire order  Follow the Majority Report crew on Twitter: @SamSeder @EmmaVigeland @MattLech Check out Matt’s show, Left Reckoning, on YouTube, and subscribe on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/leftreckoning Check out Matt Binder’s YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/mattbinder Subscribe to Brandon’s show The Discourse on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/ExpandTheDiscourse Check out Ava Raiza’s music here! https://avaraiza.bandcamp.co  

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That means Monday is casual Monday, Tuesday, casual Tuesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, casual hump day, Thursday, casual thurs, that's what we call it, and Friday, casual Shabbat, the majority report with Sam Cedar. October 10th, 2025, my name is Sam Cedar. This is the five-time award-winning majority report. We are broadcasting live steps from the industrially ravaged Gowanus Canal in the heartland of America, downtown Brooklyn, USA. On the program today, executive editor of the American Progress, David Dayan.

Wait, what did I just say? The American Prospect. Sorry. And host of Organized Money Podcast and the Prospect Weekly Roundup. We're going to be simulcasting with them today.

Then later, in studio. Comedian, host of the Bituation Room, Francesca Fiorentini, be live in studio. Also on the program today, Israel claims ceasefire has taken effect. Some indication that's the case, U.S. supposedly sending 200 troops to monitor. Meanwhile, in New York, Letitia James indicted in the latest corrupt Trump DOJ saga.

It is day 10 of the shutdown. as airports become DHS propaganda sites and also half closed. Speaking of the DHS, a key Trump DHS official, the nominee to head the special counsel office in the DOJ implicated in sexual harassment of a lower-ranking colleague. Federal judge temporarily blocks troop deployment in Chicago. Two Trump judges on a three-judge panel seem open to sending federal troops into Portland. Trump regime cancels the largest solar project in Nevada. US bails out Argentina with $20 billion because America first, no, I'm sorry, saving the fortunes of Scott Besant's hedge fund buddies first.

Trump regime to deploy counter-terror apparatus against groups like Act Blue and indivisible. Republicans in Senate block a bipartisan war powers resolution. to stop Trump from blowing up civilians in boats in the Caribbean Sea. Despite Graham Planter's momentum, Chuck Schumer has pushed 77-year-old Janet Mills into the race. I'm sorry, has wheeled 77-year-old Janet Mills into the Senate race in Maine. All this and more on today's Majority Report. Welcome, ladies and gentlemen,

Emma Vigland out today. She will miss all the fun. We've got a lot to get to. We will continue to monitor what's going on with the ceasefire. Just a little bit of house cleaning. It looks like now we will be off, as is the custom on Indigenous People's Day. We're going to run an interview. one of the most

it's a little bit Sam Cedar coded in terms of like why it's one of the most interesting interviews for me was a lawyer who has worked on a lot of

indigenous cases and essentially he outlines the history of a papal edict that is embedded in U.S. law, which essentially allows the United States as a government to run roughshod over indigenous people in this country. And it is embedded in that and was cited as recently as I think it was a 2005 case with Ginsburg, maybe 2009. It's fascinating how these things develop. On Monday night, can when I announce this?

Oh, yeah, but we're going to be streaming. Well, that's the point. Yeah. On Monday night, it appears that we're going to be streaming from the Mamdani rally, right? Is it what is Exactly, a Monday night. But we'll include that in the intro that we do on a Monday day. Everybody's a mess around here. What kind of bull is this? The R time has come rally. Yes, it's the R time has come rally.

And we're going to be, we're going to be in charge of the stream. Everybody's a mess around here. We're going to be in charge of the stream. we're going to be on the tech side of things don't worry about a thing. Don't worry about a thing. It'll work out fine. So we'll be off during the day and on during the night. But again, we will have a good show for you on Monday.

And then in the evening, we'll be carrying that rally. So check that out. In the meantime, I mean, with the one caveat, that we'll see what happens when they start to roll out this counter-terror apparatus. A lot of this stuff is a joke until it's not. I think that really does explain what's gone on in this country for 10 years now. I mean, maybe longer, but really like sort of ridiculously a joke. a joke and then it becomes real um and so you know 15 uh 2015 was it 2013 jade helm

2015 we thought oh my god these people are crazy what in what instance would the president at that time barraq obama invade Texas and as so often as the case with these right wingers and you can see it both in like the the the conspiracy theories their projection is in fact their aspiration or their reality it is very very easy to find for instance homophobes who have been elected officials or even frankly, right-wing commentators, who are, in fact, secretly gay and they're, whatever it is, the self-blooding projects outward. Very often these accusations from folks like, you know, Greg Abbott, like Obama's going to invade Texas and if so, you know, or Christy Noam was like, if Biden dares to not, you know, federalize, National Guard, that would be an outrage.

Of course, they go ahead and do it. So this video is both sort of hilarious, insane, and a real possibility of actually happening. This video was shot following the anti-Antifa, as they call it, roundtable conference with, a bunch of right wing podcasters explaining to Donald Trump how their lack of Trump derange syndrome has made them more attractive and how weirdly we have traced Antifa origins all the way back to Weimar Germany. Incidentally, that was delivered by a guy who was, you know, sort of like if not, obviously not an actual nazi but um an aspirant and believe someone who holds beliefs that could be

described as naziish um was actually saying that you know the problem with antifa started back when the rise of fascism happened check poseobiac a guy who loves to throw 1488 as uh sort of references uh to troll people and you can look up what 1488 it means. But here is the video they shot after that session. Antifa beats journalist. Antifa attacks our police stations. They attack our courthouses. They docks our law enforcement officers no more. They are a terrorist group and we are coming after them. We are here at the White House today to unmask Antifa to follow the money all the way to the top. If you want to get to the bottom of who is fomenting this chaos and violence in our country,

you must follow the money. I was a mainstream reporter in Seattle for 10 years before I quit mainstream media, in part due to its refusal to acknowledge the dangers of Antifa and radical left-wing violence. Part of the problem that we have is that a lot of people who refuse to believe that Antifa is real. It is just a made-up thing, but I have seen them. They are real. They are dangerous and they are violent. They are organized, systemic, international criminal enterprise. And what the FBI is going to do is trace the money, follow the funds, and find every single person that was involved in funding the riots and the violent acts of criminality that they are perpetrating on our street. I watched Antifa brutally beat, harass, and threaten

Americans in the street, but all of that ends with the Trump administration. I was brutally attacked and almost killed by Antifa in the streets of Seattle. All of my colleagues have been attacked. I can't think of a single one who hasn't. Violence against journalists and police officers in our streets can't stand. ago I was in the Portland jailhouse and now I'm in the White House. This administration is built different and Antifa's days are numbered. And I want to thank President Donald Trump for designating Antifa, a terrorist organization and I'm looking forward to the FBI and the DOJ hunting down these people like the terrorists

that they are. All I gotta say, it's a bad day to be Antifa. In Antifa's days of using violence and intimidation against their political opposition are over. And I've continued to report on them over the years despite the threats of violence and natural violence that's happened because I owe a thank you to this country, the United States, for settling my parents who were victims of communism in Vietnam. One month ago, Charlie Kirk was murdered by a violent leftist. We all saw it, and we all saw thousands of leftists celebrated. Antifa symbols were found on the bullet casings of the gun used to shoot and kill, my friend. We won't take it anymore. President Trump is not going to stand

for it. And I'm so grateful that we have a leader in the White House that understands how we need to fight these sophisticated networks and how we need to take these terrorists out. I've been attacked by Antipa, docks by Antifa, harassed by Antifa, but we're not standing down. We're now coming

for you. Some of the energy of these guys. Is that filmed in the day room of one flew over the cookies mess? Well, that's the thing. It is, it is hilarious. Like, honestly, I can't when Saturday Night Live

does the parody of this if they do it the difference is really just going to be just so subtle you don't need much to tweak here except for the problem put that picture of

the problem is the problem is according to Reuter Trump administration plans to deploy America's counterterrorism apparatus including the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security, and the Justice Department, as well as the IRS and the Treasury Department

against certain left-wing groups it accuses of funding and organizing political violence. Okay. There are, these things don't exist. So they're going to go and find it. Reuters spoke to three White House officials, four Department of Homeland Security officials, one Justice Department official, to produce the first comprehensive account of how decisions are being made, forces deployed, and operations coordinated in the crackdown.

Stephen Miller, of course, it's deeply involved in reviewing the agency's investigations. Trump administration has released some examples of what alleges our left-wing violence but it provided little evidence of a coordinated, coordinated effort. Left-wing organizations have fueled violent riots, organized attacks against law enforcement officers, coordinated illegal doxing campaigns, arranged drop points for weapons and riot materials and more. Like, what? They're going to focus on domestic terrorists whose common ideologies include anti-Americanism, anti-capitalism, and anti-Christianity.

In September 25th, Trump went pressed by Reuters. Trump mentioned George Soros, Reid Hoffman. In response to a separate request, White House highlighted seven political protests in 2023 and 2025 that included acts of violence directed against law enforcement, officials and two incidences of vandalism at a Tesla dealership this year, as well as a half a dozen social media posts celebrating the damage. I think we had a host of like the Tesla stop Tesla. They weren't involved in any type of violent acts against Tesla, but they protested.

Vast majority of those protests were peaceful. The White House gave a list, stressed they were not necessarily potential targets. The list includes Soros' open society foundations, Act Blue, which is a funding mechanism for the Democratic Party, Indivisible, which is a grassroots coalition that does protests and letter writing, etc., the coalition for humane, immigrant rights. The goal is to destabilize Soros' network, a third White House official said, wait, what? By labeling it a terrorist organization, other groups on the list include two Jewish non-profits that oppose Israel's war in Gaza, Reuters words, not mine, if not now,

and Jewish voice for peace. Potential tools to defund or shut down these groups. include IRS investigations, to strip them of tax exempt status, criminal probes by the DOJ and the FBI, surveillance by federal law enforcement, surveillance by federal law enforcement agencies, the use of RICO statutes, typically used for organized crime and financial investigations under anti-terror laws. They lead with the joke videos, but it's getting real. It's getting real.

So, I mean, I don't know what else to say about that. Keep your eye on it. Understand the importance of judges. Understand the importance, you know, we had Josh Orton on yesterday from demand justice. understand the importance of democratic senators blocking Trump's nominees or voting against them at least because they're going to end up deciding whether or not you go to jail because you were part of Act Blue or gets shut down. You understand they're coming for the 2026 elections here.

They're going to do it through gerrymandering. they're going to do it through trying to intimidate groups that get out the vote that rally people that help fund candidates and if that doesn't work who knows what they're going to do in a moment we're going to talk to David Day and about the government shutdown and more this episode brought to you by Wild Green this is an amazing service it's a little bit dangerous

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Thank you. We're going to be. We are back, Sam Cedar on the majority report, Emma Vigland out today, joining us now. And we're in a what is known as a simulcast right now, David Dan, executive editor of the American prospect. He is the host of organized money co-host, I should say, of the organized money podcast with Matt Stoller, and the host of the prospects wrap-up each week. The weekly roundup, which we're coming to you right now live on YouTube. This is like you remember the Laugh Olympics growing up, which was all the animals in the Hannah-Barbera series that would be together. competing in events

this was my Saturday mornings were not complete without the lap Olympics it was a crossover well I was I would have I would have said as a crossover something more likely more like I don't know when the Jefferson showed up on the on all in the favor

or Mork on happy days right mark for Mork that's how we got it started well that was actually where it launched I mean that wasn't really even a crossover that was like a deliberate spinoff but we could do this for hours, David, and no one would be listening when we were done. So let's get into this. It's day 10 of the shutdown. And give me your assessment. And where you were, you know, for the weeks,

months, really, really since March, this has been a question. Would Chuck Schumer actually try and get something because in March, he failed to get anything to the point where Nancy Pelosi mocked him, which was sort of astonishing, right? I mean, that was pretty amazing. And Schumer, it feels like, was both pushed by progressives and also blocked by Republicans where he couldn't really figure out how to not have a government shutdown. And I think that's, you know, they're now happy about that i i think chuck schumer is waiting for your apology uh and and maybe you can take this opportunity right now to give it to him um i have been i have been like we have been um you know somewhat positive uh about schumer uh since uh he actually got to this

point and um but i won't apologize uh and we'll be talking about because you'll be believe in the Trumpian idea of never apologize, never back down. No, that's not true. That is not true. I do apologize in certain circumstances, but not this one because we also have an issue about the governor Mills hopping into a race in Maine, but we'll get to that. Well, we'll talk about that later. But yeah, I mean, I think that Democrats, the rank and file the party clearly wanted this

fight. And that's really the fault lines within the party that we've seen since the beginning of the second Trump term. It's, do you give a damn enough to fight authoritarianism? And by doing this, I think that the base is generally satisfied with that. You know, what I've always delved into here is the how and how it's being framed. Obviously, there's kind of a public. conversation and a private conversation happening at the same time. The public conversation is all about health care. It's about health care subsidies. It seems like the political people are kind of driving the idea that, oh, if we talk about health care, health care is a good issue for the Democrats. And this is a good way, even if we lose, to get our message about health care out

to the American people. Let me just stop you there. Two things. One, I will say, that the Republicans did not start off talking about health care and they've had to talk about health care far more than they wanted to, which has been a good sign. The slight problem with that calculation is, and I guess maybe there's a belief in Democratic consultant circles that, like, all you need to do is just have the word health care associated with Democrats, rather, because there really is no plan. The Democrats don't have a plan. They're just basically saying don't cut the subsidies that have existed, which is, you know, we should.

And to a lesser extent, don't cut Medicaid, which, you know, I mean, they're just sort of raising the salience of health care because we're going to see this breakdown if nothing is done in the health care sector. So they're just kind of priming the pump. then there's the other side and the people who kind of focus on policy and are the kind of more alarmed about how the federal government itself and appropriations in particular have been going for the last nine months who say well you know we've been signing these budget deals we've been passing this paper over the president and then the president just ignores it and then cuts whatever spending he wants to cut, and how can you continue to make a deal with someone

who tells you they're going to break it over and over and over again? So what you really need in here is measures that say, you can't rescind this funding, you can't withhold this funding, et cetera, and restoring the power of the purse to Congress, where the Constitution says it belongs rather than the executive. Because let's say the political people win, And Republicans, you know, cry uncle and a health care subsidy extension is made. Who's to say that the president won't just break that promise?

So that's, I think, you know, and as I said, the Democrats did put this some restrictions on rescinding or withholding funds into their counter. proposal. Like, it's in there. But there's, but it hasn't been part of the public conversation, which makes it very easy to drop out in the final deal, right? So, you know, that's, that's kind of my fear is that where this is going to end is Republicans are going to say, okay, we'll give you a guaranteed vote on extending these subsidies. And Democrats say, see, we want. And, and then who knows how that vote goes? This is why I'm not going to apologize to your buddy, Chuck Schumer, okay? Because it has been so clear the level of desperation for him to give the Republicans what they already want, essentially.

Because in 21 days, October has 31, in 21 days, we're going to start to move into the open enrollment period. And people are going to actually have the moment where they look at their bill and go, holy shit. They're already having that moment. I mean, those things get sent before the open enrollment period begins. It says, hey, open enrollment period begins. You want to keep your coverage. This is how much it's going to cost. And that sticker shock is going to roll out literally in days.

Like those things are in the mail right now. And so the leverage. So Republicans wanted to avoid this, and the leverage is there with the Democrats because they have been announcing their predicate to extend these things. It seems to me that there should be at least some introduction of the idea. The problem is we can't trust the president to follow through. So we need guarantees, and they can get this rescission language in there via the extensions. So we need- And there are definitely Republicans who would welcome that, by the way.

I mean, there are Republicans on the appropriations committees who they don't want their, you know, what they do all day, basically just, you know, contravened by the president. They're happy to silently go along with that. They're not happy necessarily to publicly go along with it. But I think if you take that out of the equation and all you're doing is relieving Republicans of the consequences of their own actions before the election, which would provide the ultimate check on that, then you're just trading something Republicans want for something Republicans need. Yes. And let me ask you this. I want to just go back to March for a moment. Matt did an interview with the president of the AFGE local in representing the EPA in Texas. EPA employees, I should say, in Texas. And his attitude was like, this should have happened in March because we have lost so many employees to essentially rescission.

I mean, there's really no other way to describe it. This should have happened in March. And from your perspective, does. what we've seen at least at this point vindicate those of us who are saying in march we got to do this now because trump is going to roll through this and he's i think you've called it in pieces a a rolling government shutdown uh and that's what we have been like observing but you and i do this professionally your average person just all of a sudden says like why does my VA services coming late? Why are, you know, they're not going to notice that their water is not

as clean as it was or that there's more dumping going on. This is all stuff that has like an impact four or five years down the road. And I think what's interesting is that you're seeing the president, even though he's saying in public, the Democrats are responsible for this shutdown. So he should be happy to have, you know, these consumer facing services turn bad. If, if the Democrats are going to be blamed. But what they're doing in private is protecting, making sure nobody knows that there's a shutdown going off. So there was going to be a lapse of the women infant and children's program. That's a nutrition program. They found a bunch of money for that. There was going to be a lapse of the essential air service program. That's the program

that keeps rural and small airports alive and allows commercial aviation into those cities. They found money for that. They did not shut down parks, national parks. There are all a host of ways where, you know, there's this Trump kind of threatening to do things that would cut benefits or cut services and then not doing it, number one. And then, you know, he's also threatened all these mass layoffs, like from the very, beginning. There's been that threat. And then that's been delayed and deferred and delayed and deferred. So there is a disinterest in letting people know there's a shutdown. The problem is it's not only up to Trump. So we have seen massive delays at airports because air traffic controllers

have a lot of power in a shutdown. I want to get to the air traffic because it always comes down to the airports, it seems, with these things. But before we get there, Trump yesterday said, I'm going to start cutting Democratic programs, the ones that Democrats love. And what would those be? Like, what would those be like, no more studying the spotted owl? I mean, any programs that Democrats have promoted and have instituted, their benefits accrued to red state voting. voters as much, if not, probably significantly more than Blue State voters. Yeah, of course. And I think the larger point is that he's been doing that for nine months. And it's terribly unpopular. And a lot of the firings that have taken place, he's had to rehire

people. You know, Doge 1.0 was really unpopular. So instituting Doge 2.0, as they tried to do at the first couple days of this thing was just as unpopular and it made people blame Republicans and Trump for the shutdown. So they've stopped doing that. So these threats are very empty. They're very idle. And that is why Democrats are generally doing a decent job on the politics. I just don't know what the policy endgame is going to. Right. And that's going to be that's going to trip up the politics at one point. All right. Let's turn to the airports because this seems to be the nexus. I want to play a clip that is now running at TSA stations, essentially. When you go into security, and the lines are going to are longer these days, particularly right now, this is what you see.

Hi, I'm Christine Ome, the United States Secretary of Homeland Security. It is TSA's top priority to make sure that you have the most pleasant and efficient airport experience as possible while we keep you safe. However, Democrats in Congress refuse to fund the federal government, and because of this, many of our operations are impacted, and most of our TSA employees are working without pay. We will continue to do all that we can to avoid delays that will impact your travel, and our hope is that Democrats will soon recognize the importance of opening the government. Now, do you remember back in the day during the Bush administration when we would talk about, like, hey, this is a violation of the Hatch Act? And everybody got, come on. And it sort of feels like maybe people should have taken it seriously back then. Yeah.

And that's not the only thing, right? They have forced workers to put in their out-of-office messages. I'm out of the office because of the Democratic shutdown. They have put on websites like the website for the Department of Housing and Urban Development. The radical Democrats have shut down the government, et cetera. All of these things are violations of the hash act. The problem is you wouldn't know the difference between a punishment for a violation of the Hatch Act and nothing. I mean, the problem is the, there is no enforcement, really, for that violation.

So the airports are really key because the last government shutdown that we had during the Trump administration, I think it was in 2019. It went for like, I can't remember exactly, three or four weeks, 35 days. and when it really started to when it when it turned was when the flight attendants union uh started to say hey there's a problem that's not safe anymore on these on these flights because of what's happening with the air traffic controllers people aren't getting paid and there was one or two airports that basically were were shut down and everything changed overnight because it was like rich people started going, hey, wait a second, I can't do my, I can't fly from, I got a business

trip and I can't fly right now. I mean, that's basically where people feel the immediate pinch. That's right. And whereas it took four or five weeks to do that in 2019, what I think is interesting is that literally in the first week, we're now seeing these impacts. And it's not from a large number of people calling in sick. It's not like hundreds of people. It's, it's in the, teens or less. And that's all it takes. And which is also an indication of how sort of threadbare our staffing is at the FAA. That's what I was going to say. Like that's what it really dictates and shows is that we we have been finning out these systems that are really important, these government agencies that really protect us. And this is a moment where just just a handful of people can tip us

into you know but burbank airport out here in in california had no air traffic controllers for five hours at one point this week you don't see the problem with that i wouldn't worry about that i mean ai uh hello look out the window avoid AI and crypto fixes this that's right one of the things that i know folks do is um uh that this helps with deer is you put like a little uh whistle thing on your grill of your car and it lets the deer know you're coming put a couple of those on the planes bingo bango we don't need the uh we don't need the why aren't you in charge of the i got this i got this i'll be in charge of the washington uh the the uh you know Reagan and

international there you guys i got this um i mean but this is happening across the country now and uh we are how how does this play out at this I mean, it really is a question of if, if, because what I've been reading, and it's sometimes hard, because everybody's putting out like their own, you know, messages of like the Democrats are on the verge of caving, the Republicans are starting to splinter. Marjorie Taylor Green, incidentally, we should say, is blaming Thune and Johnson. Yesterday, we had that clip of Johnson on C-SPAN with a military wife calling in saying, I got two sick kids, ready to get paid for military pay. And he said, it's, you know, it's Chuck Schumer's fault. The day before he was at a press conference with Thune,

said, somebody asked, and he said, this is a good idea. We've done it in the past. And then Thune comes up and goes, no, no, we don't need to do that. I mean, they are not on the same page with this stuff. They are, like, getting antsy. And I've been reading, like, none of the Democratic representatives are coming home and hearing anything from their constituents. I mean, that's, you know, like, the advantage of half the country being.

Yeah, there's a separate part where the House of, of representatives has been out of commission for a few weeks. And there's seemingly no indication that Johnson is going to bring those House Republicans back into session. And this has become kind of a lingering thing. One reason is because Adelita Grijalva, who is the representative elect from Arizona, has not been seated yet. And she would be the 218th vote on a discharge petition that it would be legislation to release the Epstein files. So, you know, this is getting caught up into a bunch of other problems that have been simmering that Republicans are having right now. And the lack of coordination, the splintering, if you will, it's made it a bad situation politically, I think, for House Republicans in particular.

So do you have a sense of what we're going to see next? I mean, do you have any? I mean, I don't. It's just hard to see an endgame, but there are moments that you can see that are forcing mechanisms. So the payment of troops, they're going to miss a payment, a paycheck on October 15th. That's next Wednesday. And that's going to be the first payment that they miss. That'll be the first one.

Uh, the federal workers, by the way, a non-military federal workers miss a payment today, uh, on October 10. So, um, can we just take a moment to sympathize? Can you imagine you sign up to, um, rip, uh, uh, women away from their children, uh, to harass and terrorize brown people to go and, uh, you know, uh, throw, uh, smoke bombs in front of schools and you're doing this work and then all of a sudden you're like hey wait a second you're not even paying me for this i mean i think a lot of them do it for the love of the game that's that's probably true that's probably true but the next wave of people it seems like they're going to bring in are you know i mean there's going to be that is not something we have heard like our brave ice soldiers are working without pay you haven't you haven't heard pat as a talking Do you have any idea what it's like to have to rip a mother, a child away from a mother and leave the kid in a car and then drive off with a mother and realize like, I don't even get paid for this thing.

They're not even thinking about how they're going to rip that kid away. That's why they eat like they're in hibernation mode. Right. They're storing up for this shutdown period. Yeah. There was like a bunch of rejects from a DeBare sketch, those are those guys. National Guard Trove in Illinois. What did someone call them? They were like meal team six. Meal team six. They're like meal six team.

But anyway, you know, that's a forcing mechanism. And the open and rolling period is another forcing mechanism. When it will be undeniable that these rates are going crazy in haywire. It would be, it seems to me, negotiating dealmaking malpractice for the Democrats to do anything over the next two or three weeks. You want to get to that point on November 1st when people log in to sign up for health care and see those numbers. You think that has to happen. I think that like they have already successfully, to their credit, associated their protecting health care from Republicans.

They will get the political value of people realizing that Republicans do not care about this. And they can come in and demand these rescission things as from a public-facing perspective, as part of ensuring that these subsidies are actually paid into, the ACA, but in a broader sense across all of the things in the budget. And at the very least, stop the hemorrhaging of our government by Fiat. And I think that seems to me to be a really important thing that happened. I'm going to tell you another potential forcing event. You know, as you know, next Saturday, there are going to be this second wave of no King's protests.

I think we've got some. on next week about it yeah the country and my what i'm hearing is the expectation is that this is going to be bigger than the first one and the first one had something like three or four million people uh across the country out in long island i think it was during uh emma's uh wedding and uh i was shocked by the number of people so so the expectation is this is going to be even bigger and so now And now it's happening in the midst of this shutdown and it has the potential to to move people in a certain direction. But of course, you know, these are going to be seen as in the current context of sending National Guard troops here and there. These are going to be seen as, you know, terrorist rallies or something like that.

So here's another guy. Let's play this clip because Mike Johnson seems to be aware of this as well. And they're out here trying to sort of like recharacterize. this, but I don't think it's going to work. Because of this nonsense. And we're so angry about it. I mean, I, you know, I'm a very patient guy, but I have had it with these people. They're playing games with real people's lives.

The theory we have right now, they have a hate America rally that's scheduled for October 18th on the national mall. It's all the pro-Hamas wing and the, you know, the Antifa people. They're all coming out. Some of the House Democrats are selling T-shirts for the event. And it's being told to us. us that they won't be able to reopen the government until after that rally because they can't face their rabid base. I mean, this is serious business hurting real people. And I just, I'm beyond words.

I can't believe they're actually doing this. Yeah, Mrs. Speaker, your time. So there is Mike Johnson grinding his teeth over the idea of this no-kings rally. Of all those people coming out. Yeah, of those people coming out, you know, presumably coming out for the first time. And he, are there really democratic lawmakers who are selling i hate america shirts i thought the only i thought the only politician that was expert at merchandise sales was in the lighthouse yeah i i'm surprised by that but like what is he would sell i hate america shirts if he thought he could make a buck off yeah exactly uh with great they switch from it's like one of those uh one of those the ones where you shift the view

and the right's change depending on who's in the line but but what's well who is he complaining is he like it's trying to set the table like what's that about i mean he's saying that they can't come out until these the the the democrats can't come to the table until after the hate america rally apparently they're coming for you right now i hear i hear police sirens in the background. That's all right. We're, we're so buried underground. People don't know where we are. But honestly, like, what is he trying to do there? So, like, like, who is he trying to communicate what to? I just can't follow exactly what his argument is. Well, there's kind of a larger situation going on where they're trying to depict and associate mainstream normie signholding Democrats. who were worried about, you know, the autocracy happening in the country with Antifa,

with terrorists, with, you know, the pro-Hamas wing or whatever, and use that as a pretext to round up mainly the funding sources of these kinds of things. So you've seen that document that Kent Clittenstein has put out, that directive, that national Security Directive that Reuters had a piece today about who's on that list and we played a clip of the of the produced piece after the Antifa or Antifa as they call

it a roundtable that they had at the White House yesterday and they are trying to criminalize places like indivisible or act blue or um i mean normie democratic stuff like total normie stuff yep and uh so you know the fact and and this no king's rally was planned months ago uh this october 18th uh set of dates and they're they're trying to play that into their just sort of broader agenda to criminalize left politics and criminalize speaking out against Republican politics.

Have you heard any response from lawmakers about this? I mean, there have been some. It's growing a little bit stronger. There was a almost a almost seemed like a coordinated news blackout about this national security directive for a while. But Rokane has talked about it, even Alyssa Slotkin on the floor of the Senate. mentioned this the other day during Senate speech. So I do think there's more of an awareness now, but it's incredibly dangerous. It's something we wrote about actually a year ago

that the fact that democratic politics is so propped up by 501C3 non-profit organizations that are funded largely by philanthropies, that if an enemy or a, you know, a Republican government got in control of the IRS, they had a lot of ways that they could use to make life difficult, if not impossible, for these nonprofits and the philanthropic organizations who fund them. And they are following that. What's the alternative is mass membership organizations like we saw, you know, throughout the 1960s and beyond.

The anti-war movement didn't have philanthropies that were funding them through, through nonprofits and the tax code. The civil rights movement didn't get their funding that way. And unions historically don't get their funding that way. It's about mass membership organizations. That's the alternative. And, you know, what harms, uh, uh, Democratic and progressive success just as much because they're funded by essentially rich people, rich philanthropies, is that it makes it harder to do certain things that rich people

don't want you to do. Like, I don't know, run an oyster farmer in Maine for the Senate without. I mean, I'm talking about policy, wealth taxes and, you know. but i mean this is all part of a whole right i mean if the entire mechanism let's talk about that yeah i mean if the entire mechanism is reliant on uh big i mean look this was the this goes back to uh air america days among the uh different uh issues we had um the funding had you know came from people who had no idea what they were doing um we hired a bunch of basically uh you know uh throw off radio people and despite that there the numbers are good but the democratic alliance which was the big

funding mechanism back in the day um they were not interested in part i think probably they sensed a certain amount of incompetence but broadly speaking the big money donors don't want to give to populist movement apparatus and radio is very much a populist medium uh you know it is and And I think that is, that has been the dilemma on the left in terms of like competing, at least in the media space. Well, they're going to make the next Joe Rogan, the liberal Rogan, any minute now. I know that. I know that.

I mean, we actually like you can see even in the, the, the whole chorus thing that the people they chose had to be, you know, regardless of whether people self-edited or any of this, you can see the people that they were funding stayed within certain parameters. And that is a function, obviously, you know, I spend my money. I'm a wealthy guy. I don't want people attacking me or my ilk. Well, there's also an element of top-down control. I mean, regardless of what the agenda is, it's that we have an agenda and you can't say anything that deviates from it.

So if you're going to talk about Gaza, that's a problem for us because we're conflicted on that issue. So, you know, regardless of whether it's about money or whatever it's about, it's very top-down in a way that I think is much more difficult for Democrats to manage them, you know, conservatively. Yep. All right. So let's talk about Mamdani. we are three weeks out from the election now in change and in Maine

was it Janet Mills has just said that she's going to jump in the race yeah it sounds like she's going to get in on Tuesday Janet Mills is the two-term governor of Maine and before that she was either Attorney General or Secretary of State She had a statewide office.

She has been in Democratic politics and has been an elected official as long as Graham Platner has been alive. And so she is going to be 77. She, I believe, was she's 77 now. She would be 78 or nine. As a first term senator, as a freshman senator for her. six-year term, she would be 78. So she will be. I don't think Democrats are beating that gerontocracy rap when that's who their go-to-it.

She will be wheeling down a path that was blazed by Diane Feinstein, right? I mean, that's basically what we're looking at. The, it doesn't. She's Attorney General of Maine, by the way. It doesn't feel. My crack producer told me that. And she turns 78 at the end of the year, December 30th. It feels like...

She was 79 before getting into office. Sorry. Platner has solidified things a lot more than they would have hoped. Let's put it that way at this point. I mean, that's the way it feels from here. Now, I may... Here's something that's important, by the way. So Platner has solidified things.

I agree with that. But there are other people in the race. And in a normal situation, where you have a Democratic primary and you have a two-term governor, a sitting governor, come into the race, and there are three or four other people in the race, then you would say the field is split and clearly the sitting governor is going to get X amount of the vote. And so she would have a very good chance to win. However, much like the New York City Democratic primary, the main Senate primary on the Democratic side is ranked choice voting. And so it doesn't matter how fractured the field is because it will eventually get to a one-on-one situation with an instant runoff. Oh, I did not know that. Yeah. I didn't know that, that they could do that for federal, oh, I guess it's the primary.

And so, no, it's, it's, it's, it's main has ranked choice voting. So, you know, we've seen this in Jared Golden's seat, for example, where he was behind. and then with ranked choice, he actually beat Bruce Pollyquin and have won, has won that house seat. So Maine just has ranked choice voting. And so this makes it much easier for Platner to win because he can get the Jordan Woods votes. He can get the, there's a brewer. I forget his name. He can get that guy's votes. It doesn't have to be a one-on-one race for him to still take basically the not mills support and and consolidate dan cleban um the in cleveland um and we should say um uh golden has gotten also gotten a uh a challenger uh i don't i don't know yeah it's a former

secretary of state named matt dunlap um in a in a seat that to be honest is you know Trump won that seat by 10 points in, in 2024. So that's not the easiest seat to hold if you're a Democrat. Now, Dunlap is running ads that are saying, you know, that golden sided with Trump and the Republicans. You know, Paul LePage is running for that seat on the Republican side, the former main governor. So he's running. The story I remember about LePage is that his own attorney had to intercede when LePage was taking meetings with people who were convincing him that he could legally assassinate the leader of the main legislature because, according to sort of like some sovereign citizen theory, if they got a sheriff to do it or something like that. And the lawyer had to come in and say, Governor, you should not be meeting with these people.

Yeah. So he's a mini-Trump. And so Dunlap is running, like his first dad is anti-Golden, anti-Lapage. But in that district, there's probably a lot of pro-Trump people out there. And even still, it's very rural district. And so that's an interesting thing. And I think the D-TCCC is definitely going to come to Golden's aid and spend a lot of money. to try to stop Dunlap from, from getting a towhold.

The Platner race is much more interesting because, as you said, they did not expect this wildfire. There are Democratic senators who are very intrigued with Platner. There's people who've come out. I mean, and not just burning. No, from New Mexico. Martin Heinrich from New Mexico said he gave money to to Platner, Chris Murphy has said some things, White House has said some things, Warren has said some things. And, you know, I think there's a lot of discontent with Schumer and

Kierlobrens, the head of the DSCC, for being so persistent in trying to get Janet Mills, who will be 79 before being sworn in to the Senate in her first term into the race. Can you ever remember a time where there has been six senators willing to come out and publicly support a candidate in a seat where the DSCC is supporting a different candidate? It's definitely unusual. and I think it's a sign of the times that we're in. And there's sort of two ways to think about politics. So there's the Schumer-Jillibrand way is this is a proven winner. She's won statewide before she can do it again.

And that's the end of the story, right? And then there's the other theory of politics, which is in the current media environment, in the current way in which politics is practiced, if you have someone who is an authentic voice that can really communicate, that's more important than all of these other things. And if you have someone who has a brand of being an outsider, that's more important.

He's earning a lot of money. I mean, I think he raised $4 million in the last quarter. So money isn't an issue. But this whole idea, idea of experience and and trust. And it's obviously not unimportant, but authenticity and the ability to go viral and the ability to speak your values is much more important than maybe it has been in the past. If you follow the first theory, why wouldn't you bring Joe Biden back to run against Trump

to run in 2028? I mean, he's been experienced. He's won before. He's certainly very. I'm one name. So why doesn't he go out for men and governor? I mean, how much is, like, if Platner wins and if Mum Donnie wins, like, how much does this begin to really change democratic politics?

I mean, I'm starting to talk to people. it's interesting, you know, around this time, I always get a lot of requests to talk to new candidates coming in. And I think this cycle has been different. And it's different specifically because you're seeing a lot of people use this Mamdani blueprint. And it's even changed how the major party committee. Not the Senate side, but on the House side, I have seen D-Triple-C-backed candidates who are endorsed by Bernie Sanders, who are speaking this language of, you know, laser focus on affordability and economic populism in ways that I haven't seen in previous years. And we're also seeing just a lot more primary challenges than we've ever seen before

in what is a very top-down Democratic Party. I mean, I don't know the exact numbers and it's hard to pinpoint, but there are a lot of viable Democratic challengers out there. And a lot of it is age-based, but a lot of it is also based on these people aren't practicing the kind of politics that matter and make sense in the 21st century this week for example uh justin pearson one of the the tennessee three challenged steve cohen who's a good he's a good democratic uh mainstream candidate level democrat right but that's seen as not good enough anymore and and uh you know it'll be fascinating to see how successful these challengers are because we've seen a way we've seen waves of challenges before right with aOC and and and others

Um, but I think this is happening at a much broader level. This isn't just sort of the fringe justice stem squad kind of groups anymore. This is this seems broader to me. And I think a part of it is is, is mom done. Part of it is also, um, people became more sensitive to older politicians who might be from a different generation because of what we've just experienced. Uh, David Dayan, it is always a pleasure um i wanted to get to your story about uh how let's let's do it i got till

i got till one 30 man oh well you got a couple more minutes all right well we got franceski here but we can bring her in in a minute okay let's talk about chasca now we can bring we can see francesca and we'll do that but let's get into this um uh the where anti monopoly stands in a Trump administration or because, you know, there's a lot of contention that you had a real interest in keeping Lena Kahn. I think it was Josh Hawley said this. Right. Where are we in terms of the anti-monopoly stuff? Yeah. I mean, I think it's really interesting. So, you know, at the beginning of this administration, there was a lot of, a lot more continuity in this one small avenue than we saw anywhere else across the spectrum of policy in the Trump administration. In particular, there was a merger that was challenged between Hewlett-Packard enterprises and Juniper networks.

They make back office Wi-Fi hardware. It's not very important what they do. And within days of the beginning of this administration, they challenged that merger. It was like a $10 billion. And the worm turned when, and this has been heavily reported, MAGA lobbyist appealed to Pam Bondi in her office to overturn, overrule the antitrust division and waived the merger. through, which they did. And it was very clear that this was the way that antitrust is going to be practiced

with corruption, with individual lobbyists being paid large sums of money, millions of dollars to go over the heads of the antitrust division. And incidentally, I'm no Matt Gates fan, but if you want to know why Matt

Gates was one of the only the only nominees to crash beforehand, I would suggest this is why. Yeah, I mean, it's part of it. He was certainly, you know, he calls himself a conservative, right? So in the aftermath of this, because there's one very important thing, when you settle a merger challenge that has been filed by the Justice Department, because of a law back in the Nixon days, because Nixon was perverting antitrust because of money, basically, he was doing decisions because he was getting big piles of money from

conglomerates. There's a thing called the Tunney Act where a judge has to sign off on any settlement and prove that it's in the public interest. And the judge in this particular case between H.P. and Juniper is a Biden appointee, former labor lawyer, who was very likely to scrutinize this case. So a few weeks ago, Chad Mazzle, who was the chief of staff for Pam Bondi, and was the ringleader, according to the reporting of this, getting these lobbyists, listening to these lobbies and overturning this, quit. He resigned after just nine months on the job.

And now we're starting to see a couple other, you know, the FTC filed a case against ticket Master for basically allowing bots to buy up a bunch of tickets and sell them on their own secondary market site, on Ticketmaster's own site. There was another lawsuit against Zillow and Redfin for having a sort of weird non-compete agreement to basically trash competition. And so you're seeing the reaction to this pay-for-play deal, which was very big in even in, even in some of the Republican MAGA circles because a couple of the antitrust division attorneys who got mad about this were fired. And then there was Roger Alford, who's one of them, spoke out at a conference. So there's been a lot of attention paid to this. And in the aftermath, you see the

pressure that's being placed. So Pam Bondi and her insult comedy segment that she did at the Judiciary Committee this week, four senators asked her about antitrust, which is very rare for an attorney general to be asked about that. And, you know, she'd bobbed and weaved and did her usual thing, but the pressure is on. And I think it's interesting that we're seeing these sort of embers around fighting corporate power not go away, despite the extreme corruption of the Trump administration. All right. Let's bring in Francesca. Yeah, as I ask you, oh, well, I guess we won't write that at the moment. Oh.

But, why not? So, well, she's a diva, and it's difficult. It's a whole thing. So how, let me, like specifically, what is the implication for these embers to exist for something like Ellison buying Time Warner? I think it's a big deal. And it's not time. It's a Warner Brothers Discovery. So.

Warner Brothers Discovery. By the way, that was floated three weeks ago. And there was a lot of talk about it. And it hasn't happened yet. And there was a story in the New York Post this week that talked about how, you know, there are other bidders that Ellison might have to come up with more money. I think it sort of played into, you know, that was happening around the same time as the Kimmel thing. happen. And, you know, the heavy-handed approach here to sort of reorganize media is seen,

I think, pretty negatively among the public. And so it's interesting that that, you know, usually when you hear a merger announcement floated, it usually happens within like two days. Right. They don't like those things to just hang out there. Because people can take shots at it, yeah. Yeah. In this case, it was like three weeks ago when we heard about this potential paramount Warner Brothers Discovery merger. And it hasn't been announced yet.

And I think that's, you know, I think that's interesting. All right. Well, David, let me say goodbye to you because we have Francesca coming on. Fair enough. And but always a pleasure. Folks, I can't recommend the American prospect more. It is always my first read of the day, and the work you do over there continues to be great. And I still implore you to move the weekend, the week roundup to a different time.

You muted yourself. Yeah, I didn't want a response. So we cut out your audio. No, we can't hear you. every reason. Honestly, we can't hear you. We lost your audio. That was not, that was by a mistake. Was that you or us? No, I think it's me. I think my, okay. I think I didn't want to give you a retort. No, no, no. My point is that you can always just watch the week of the roundup at prospect.org. We post this video on the site every Friday afternoon. You can watch throughout

the weekend. You can have your cake and eat it too. You can watch. No, I just know what you're doing it then so that we can have you on Friday's easier. But I guess now we knew the simulcast. So that's, that was the issue. And, and yeah, and we're still having the lovely interaction that we always have. So, so what's the problem? Well, I guess it's fine. And also, of course, check out Organized Money podcast to catch those numbers.

Organizedmoney.com. Still burning. The antitrust stuff still burning. Really appreciate it, David. Let's see you soon. Thanks. All right, folks. Now it is my.

pleasure to welcome into studio now that she's apparently like ready for us where's the audio what is going on uh wow bring her on uh the host of the bituation room francesca fierentini and apparently you're you've got a show going yeah that's why i'm here i am here to promote i risked my life flew on an airline with no air traffic controllers there you go out of burbank the deer whistle No, thank God, I wasn't out of Burbank. Yeah, Monday night, you know. Look, look, it's going to be a little stormy, Brooklyn. I don't want to hear it.

I know how people get when it rains in the city. How do they get? What are you talking about? You're from California. When I lived here, I was like, eh. Yeah, I know. It's true. Right?

Come on. When the rain's, like, hitting you from below. The point is Monday night, Matt Lieb and I are co-headlining the bellhouse. you will be otherwise engaged, I guess. I'll be engaged at the Mamdani rally, but he's going to win, like he doesn't need you. Either way. You realize he doesn't need you, right? I know that. I know that. We're doing this for us.

You might actually hurt his chances. I mean, that's probably, that's arguable. It is certainly there's an argument. But Monday, yes, at the Bell House 7.30 p.m. Matt Lieb and I are co-headlining. Also, Daniel Mante of the Bad His Barre podcast is going to do a hot five, his first five ever. That'll go great.

Oh, wow. And then also, R.M Brown, a friend of the show is going to be doing a set. Rim Brown, we call it. RIM, sorry. I don't think we call it. We don't call them. RIM Brown is going to be there doing a live set. Oh, great.

Wow. Damn. Now, Matt is like, how do I get out of this whole Mamdani game? You don't know. Please don't mail. Brian's like, I should be at the stand-up show. What is happening? Well, it's great to have you here, and that show sounds great.

I am bummed to miss that. Come through, if you're not Sam Cedar or Emma or Ryan or Matt. It's beautiful here. Great studio. Oh, this is your first time in here? First time here. Why do you think we know each other, but I thought I'd have never been here? I mean, I should have been here before, but I've never been here.

All right. I mean, there's only actually probably been, I honestly think we've probably had. How many guests in studio would you say over the lifetime of this? Like 20. Yeah, I would say 20. Okay. 20. So it's pretty rare.

21? Yeah. It's lovely. You've got your YouTube plaques in the bathroom. I like that. Yeah. Where they belong. Show them somewhere right next to my crack.

Right like where when you sit down, you can watch them, you know. The one for a million wasn't put up until, what was it, Jamal Bowman came in studio? No, who was it that was coming in? No, it was Maxwell Fraze. All right. Yeah, I was like, gosh, yeah, we should better put this up. Yeah, we know, we cleaned up when they're like, oh, I got a congressman, go to the trophy room, okay, the bathroom.

It's a trophy room. In more ways than one. So oppressive. How do I turn myself up? Oh, and that? Like, how, yeah. Do you have like a little? I have four buttons where I have it down here.

Oh, down here. Are you kidding? It's all jerry-raked. This is all jerry-ricked. Oh, weird. where is it where is she plugged in yeah yeah yeah yeah there's a dial on that there like is this where i get more morphine yeah right there oh got it okay you got it yeah yeah there we go that's lovely oh that's nice um let's again remind you all we will be running the stream

for the mom done event on monday we'll see we'll see how that guys every american will soon receive their own med bed card I can't wait I want to be in one night now. Oh, I saved a couple of clips that I wanted to, because you have, I mean, I'm not going to, I'm not going to, like, I don't want you to, I'm not going to label you. I have what? Well, you, you are familiar with this Antifa organization. I am familiar with the Frantifa, who I hope is watching right now, and I hope will be live there on Monday. never heard of the Antifa though

and I feel like you did we have you been involved in these protests up in Portland things are going crazy? I wish I wish but shout out to them here let's play this clip this is Christy Noam

and she is saying you know they're they're having to deal with this issue that they want to send in the U.S. military, to fight against the riots that are taking place in Portland and to fight against the armies of Antifa slash ISIS, apparently, or something.

Frogs. People in frog outfits. Yeah, they're multiplying. And the problem she has is that all the public officials in the city are saying, this is nothing, what you're talking about is happening. So she's trying to push back on this in a cabinet meeting here. And then I was in Portland, went out and back on Tuesday and met with the governor, met with the mayor, met with the chief of police and the superintendent of the highway patrol. They are all lying and disingenuous and dishonest people because as soon as you leave the room, then they make the exact opposite response.

So we're looking at new facilities to purchase there in Portland too, and we're going to double down. And I told them if they didn't meet our demands for safety and security on the streets and work with us, then we were going to bring in more federal law enforcement. So I want to thank Pete and the Department of War for all their health. They've been fantastic. Slumpy over there. And work with Pam on that.

We're going to send more of our resources and men and women out there to keep our – I mean – Look at the teacups. Yeah. Just having tea. She... Hi, tea. Can we just play that one part again?

Because it really does sound like they're liars. They all said they liked me. And then as soon as I leave the room, they all start talking and joking about me. They talk behind my back. And they said I had too much filler. But actually, it was very, very light. I did not buy it on Groupon like the first time when I did it. I'm not 25 anymore.

With the mayor, met with the chief of police and the superintendent of the Highland Patrol. they're all lying they're all sluts and they're ugly and trash and I did not like their handbags either I didn't want to go to the party anyway when I put out my duct tape wallets they all said that

they were nice and that I shouldn't put sparkles on them and then as soon as I tune around I realize they've put sparkles on their duct tape wallets as a way of like trying to make me look like I don't have a good duct tape wallets It wasn't cool anymore, and they told me they weren't having a sleepover, and they were having a sleep over. And we played the clip of her in Portland the other day, and literally looking down upon one guy in a banana, no, a chicken suit, and like five other people playing the Benny Hill song. And all they could say was like, it gets much worse at night.

The Halloween creatures come out at night, actually. It is, they are, it's interesting because Portland is a city that you can get people to pop off in Portland. Like, you know, like Portland, Seattle, like the West Coast, you know, Oakland, protesters there. They are unafraid. They will get aggressive. And, well, let's define aggressive. I mean, I also think that Portland is a place. much like San Francisco and Seattle to a lesser extent where everyone also has like a box

of costumes in their closet like everyone's got costume box and they will bring it out for pride for Halloween or for a protest against you know the pigs or whatever but but you've had but like you know like when I think like it's gonna be fun when I think of like where if they were to bring in if you had told me like uh two months ago five months ago six months ago they're going to bring in a bunch of federal guys in riot gear into Seattle, I wouldn't be surprised, or Portland, I wouldn't be surprised to hear like, okay, guys are going to, they're going to throw tear gas

and guys are going to throw the tear gas back. I mean, this is, and there has been a restraint, it feels like, from protesters that has in many ways, like, completely frustrated what, like, Miller was hoping to happen.

very like, yeah, the stick meme, you know, do something, because they really want it to be 2020 again. They're like, oh, we just need to kill another unarmed black man, you know, and make it really gruesome this time. Like, they want to relive that. And mind you, they were in power during that moment. And it's kind of a preview of what we're living through now. And it's something that, you know, sadly, the police have only been more militarized. And so they're all poised, you know, to crack skulls because in L.A., for example, I mean, the cops were, as in Portland, which, you know, it's interesting because, yes, the Portland PD are like, you know, the chief is saying, it's not dangerous, it's fine, but they also are protecting ice. They are protecting CBP. They are also doing the crowd control. No Portland activist is a friend of the Portland PD. And in L.A. it was the same thing. They were there to crack the skulls of the demonstrators, whereas, CBP ICE were there to, you know, abduct a nanny. So they are, you know, it's just, it's a moment of what does a democratically run city do in charge of the entire police force and what can they do?

I mean, in L.A., it's basically nothing. Karen Bass had a moment that was literally by chance, which was painted as like, wow, she's really standing up. She wasn't really, it was by chance. And you got elected officials over there. The city council members are basically like, we're doing nonviolent direct action trainings. We don't know. But there is no world in which the police are actually going to protect protesters, protect them. No.

Right? They are actually protecting ICE and CBP, even though, you know, they're not letting them use the bathroom. I mean, I think there's also, I mean, the, I think there's statutory reasons. think that there's probably like you know i think having that expectation of the police both from a cultural and statutory perspective is wrong um the the city can like make things more difficult but they i don't it's not conceivable that we're going to have uh police be directed protecting or serving directing right i mean uh directed uh directed being directed to inhibit ice.

That's not going to happen. But you do have moments like that outside of like Chicago where you had that police force that clearly they were pissed and you've got CPDs getting tear gassed. And we have seen, we've seen it in this city, when the cops don't feel like doing anything they can they figure out ways of not doing anything for sure and so um uh i no but it goes back to 2020 right of like ultimately 2020 was about oh who do police actually protect what are they there for and i think we're sort of reliving that moment but again without the mass uprising um i think i think there is a lot more defeatism but i do think the humor as we've all been speaking to

i don't know if you guys saw the video of someone just going up to an ice agent with a tiny hand yes i mean beautiful that's beautiful in fact um we have uh new characters have showed up at the portland detention center and i think the value of this i mean we've been talking about this for the past couple of days um i've never been a big wear a costume to a protest that no way and surprising for you right yeah i know i don't i come off as uh as a sort of like a bread and circus yeah yeah yeah but no clowning just open clowning i i am i am more like you know uh put on a sport coat and uh tie uh so that when you go to a protest i to get a box pop excuse me exactly i shall remind you of posse comitatis sir but um but the costumes are so effective

yeah when the narrative is trying to be like we've got to get federal authorities there to protect people from people like this. I mean, who's wearing a more ridiculous costume? Let's be real. Like, we've got to, we've got to protect them from these people. Jimmy the Dino. Oh, polar bear. The polar bear, a turkey, a pony.

What are those ponies called? What are those pretty, my ponies? My little ponies. My little ponies. My little ponies. Yes. And I think especially as Nome is doing the whole Buckele-El El Salvador model of sending in film crews with your cops to get propaganda,

you can't show this then. Get out of my shot. I don't know if I can swear now. Cut. Get out of my shot. Katie Porter's going to come in. Cut. Can we get me?

Get out of my shot. Can we get the raccoon, please, off the set? That's what he meant when it was scarier at night. There's a lot more costumes. Is that left shark? You should see it at night. There's sharks. That's left shark.

That's Antifa shark. And a pand, a bull bear. That's scary. Does that mean like China? Is that a flag guy, a pro ice guy? Yeah, you can't tell. You never know. At this point, I think it's anti-

Look, I'm telling you, Portland, let me know if I'm wrong. You had these costumes. You had them. You didn't even have to go by them. But this is like, It makes it so difficult for them to, and really the battle here, right? Like, we watch Christy Noam say, they're lying.

They're lying. All the police, the mayor, they're all lying. The chief police. Lying. They're liars. They actually can't control their city. And then, you know, I'm sure Hannity runs that clip and it's like the Portland, in the entire Portland Democratic Blue Run city

are a bunch of liars. But the people that need to be convinced are the people in the sort of like surrounding areas of Portland who say like, what is going on down there is terrifying. And I'm glad the feds are coming to clean this up. And they can't do that. They cannot communicate that

because of, you know, whatever it is. My Pretty Pony is there. Well, it's my little pony. This is the second time and last time I will correct you. And also, it's important to know that the ICE detention center in Portland is in like a nice area. Like there's a Tesla store right in front. Like it's more upper middle class. It's not where like the normal Portland, you know, protests go down.

So it's like a whole different neighborhood. And so I think that's also doing it where like you have people who otherwise might not be, go out to this demonstration who are there and showing up and are like, they were probably part of the Tesla take down protest, too. And they're like, yeah, and it's chill. And again, the administration really, and I hate saying that, like, they really want a moment because I think that we've heard mayors say that in order to temper protest. Like, don't give them what they want, which is basically code for don't, don't protest, don't resist.

Don't stand up for your neighbors who are being disappeared right now. You know, so it's, you damned if you do, damned if you don't, but definitely show up in more costume. I think, like, you know, I've seen a video of people following ICE vehicles, honking. That is very, very effective. And fortunately, like, a lot of the people that ICE have arrested who have been protesting, who were charged with, like, impediment or they have all gotten up, all those cases have been thrown out of court as soon as they get there. But we still have this problem. Do we have that footage of the mother outside the school?

Yes. Let's play this. This is coming. What number is this? It's four. Yeah. This is in Chicago. I mean, how, I just, it is, like, what is going?

I don't know. like I feel like I can understand the mentality of cops I mean I grew up with people who I grew up with people who got in fights with cops like literally but also people who became cops and so I understand they the smartest in their class well nobody nobody in my we all know the person I went off to be a cop and it's like uh-huh my high school was not the type of school where everybody's like going around showing whether they're smart or not. that was not like no i know but but like literally i just know like the dopiest kid in my high school like the dopiest white kid in my high school then became a cop in the local town they they were they like they were like buffy they were buffs that it wasn't i don't know they were no i i couldn't tell they were just like violence buffs townish it's tough in massachusetts it's tony i mean it's but anyway but the point being Like, I, I, I, the mentality of these guys is not so, you know, like, I'm doing something for the community.

No. And, uh, also, a lot of these guys are, you know, F words and, uh, they're, you know, they're doing wrong things. And so sometimes you've got to be tough with them. This type of stuff, like, I can't even imagine what goes through the mind of a guy who is tackling a woman waiting for their kids and people around them are going like, the kids are in the school what are you doing i just this just i is so beyond uh these videos are incredibly difficult to watch 12 13 masked uh ice guys Um, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, you guys came to the school and to do this?

Do you have a warrant? They haven't asked her a warrant. My name is Rosalind from Cicerox. They don't have a warrant. They didn't ask for one. They partially opened the door to the trouble. It was locked. It was locked. You're going to get a close to me, right? Like, we'll stay back. She'll be arrested for the first of the street. Yeah, but you guys sent to the school? They forced us out of the car.

They forced us out of the car. They were following us now. They were unsuccessful. Whoa. I mean, I just, I can't imagine what is going through the minds of these guys must be so, it's, I can't track it. I think it's very ideological, meaning they just hate brown people. Absolutely. That's who they're recruiting.

doing some long form videos on my channel in Situation Room YouTube.com slash Franie Fio. Anyway, the point is no, you see the kind of propaganda that this administration and DHS uses to recruit these guys. It's all 4chan memes, straight up. Okay?

It is white nationalist propaganda. That's who they're recruiting. I can't remember where outside of, but there was, you know, a woman who was filming ice and she's like, this better not be fair, your spank bank, because they were filming them. The guy says, Nothing from your genetic lineage would be in my spank bank.

Like, this is that kind. These are the freed Jan Sixers. These are the, you know, maybe they're former three percenters. Maybe they're currently in militias. Who the hell cares? There's no background checks. There's no nothing on these people. You're absolutely right.

There is something far more respectful about being a cop, far more about ideally serving your community. They are recruiting white nationalists. And who love it. They want to see brown women crying because they're all little Stephen Miller's and they were called a putto when they were in eighth grade by a Latino kid. Yeah. And this is their payback. I mean, that is, it is, I, Verbena says, I wouldn't try getting inside a Nazi's head except for kinetically. Honestly, like the, I just don't know if I've experienced.

this level of like intense anger uh towards a subset of people uh in this country like those ice people i just it's the most one of the most despicable sort of things like to actually like i don't know um the worst i think is in i mean like in places like l a la where there's like a lot of like Latino and asian uh ice members and you're like what is going on and they need to be called out they need to be called out specifically like that that I get almost more because there's this sort of like you like a sense maybe growing up that they weren't accepted as Americans and this is the way that they prove it like that like a whiteness.

Nationalism more sort of extreme on the periphery like yeah. I like this is you know it's sort of like the you know this is the way they're going to get acceptance on some level. There will be like an ICE agent's grandmother who will get swept up. We're just like, you know, counting down the days for something like that to happen. I would imagine. And, but the, I mean, this is, and, and to be clear, people should understand this. We are just on the cusp of what we're going to see when this funds, like, you know,

they've been recruiting now for a month or two. a lot of these new recruits are going to come online and they are my understanding uh i have been told that they are getting less training than the people who are already there and so uh we're we're going to see somebody like you know we've already had people shot yep this is going to start to become a more regular occurrence um and uh but also they're going to accidentally gas themselves more and more with less training that's true it's going to cut both ways so there's going to be in the car there's going to be we're going to have some opportunities to you know the gas canister off the side view mirror yeah like that was amazing but we have footage that

talking about that um we have a a was it a teacher um there is a teacher in a chicago elementary school who was working, you recall the, when the ice agent was stuck in traffic. They took a... They don't have sirens? Wow. They didn't want to, I don't know. They're driving

their town and country or whatever it is. The guy stands there in the middle of the street through the window of his car. He doesn't do it very effectively. Throws tear gas. out the window of his car

ends up tear gassing himself but it drops out and it's out in front of a school there was a two-year-old child in a car in that traffic he was going for a walk with his mom who had to go to the hospital

and here is a teacher at that elementary school who also was tear gas because this stuff it's not contained It's not like a five-foot radius. You can't. And they threw multiple canisters out the windows.

Here's, she is at a press conference. This was yesterday. Last Friday was beautiful weather. So I left my classroom windows open as I was teaching a lesson on addition and subtraction to my first graders. Then suddenly I'm hearing commotion outside. I could hear helicopters circling overhead. I could hear the horns of brave rapid responders warning us. of kidnappers in the neighborhood.

I could hear peeing after ping coming from my phone, neighbors trying to warn us so that we could keep our children safe. As I picked up the phone, I opened a message from my colleague that teaches fifth grade. She was walking to Rico Fresh on her lunch break. Just after she crossed the intersection, less than 100 feet from our building, she cites ice and begins blowing the whistle I had given her that very morning. As she blew a broken cadence indicating a sighting had occurred, ice agents rolled down the window to their white SUV and began throwing tear gas canisters at our community.

They gassed many of our neighbors, including a two-year-old who was out walking with their family. Tear gas filled the streets, blowing into the parking lot of Rico Fresh and towards the direction of our playground across the street. I immediately started reaching out to my community networks. I coordinated with staff to find out the needs of our families. I checked in with teachers, and by dismissal, we had the support of over 100 community members, neighbors lined up and down Central Park Avenue and Armitage, further than I could see, creating safe passage for our children and families, and sending a clear message. ICE is not welcome in our community.

I mean, this is the kind of stuff that we need to see. People need to see. I mean, Chicago seems like, particularly Chicago teachers, this is a union that has been incredibly active and strong since, you know, they had a, strike under Karen Lewis. I think it was like 14, 15 years ago now. And they were early, they were the most prominent union to do social justice unionization. So their ties to the community run so deep and strong that this type of stuff works really well.

But this is stuff that has to happen around the country. You guys watch that Brandon Johnson clip already? which one where he was talking about a you know public safety and bringing down crime in the city of Chicago and how militarism has never worked you know citing times in the 90s and in the 70s when this has been tried and it's like you know mayor Johnson is a product of strong unions right and he is a product of that city coming together and you know choosing a different path And I think Chicago has the makings, I think, of a real vision out of this versus just this is illegal, it's bad, you know, wow. But rather like community, teacher solidarity, worker solidarity, and having a mayor who will go to bat angrily and stand up and say, there's not a crime problem here.

We've, you know, he took money and moved it from Chicago police into public safety initiatives that have been working. of course everyone wants to say oh it doesn't work in two years screw it you know oh it doesn't work you know decriminalizing xy or z here it didn't work in two years get him out of there and so this is that tough work um and i mean this is why we have to be supporting mayors like brandon johnson and not buying into these crime narratives but i feel like i've johnson is is the only mayor i've seen to defend his community um in the way that i think it needs to be how much they can do concretely again i really do think it's like civil disobedience but at least he's saying look the crime narrative is bogus is this is just the yeah let's play this

yeah i think it is but people to offer no listen mark i get to answer my question now you've asked it but people are no mark i've answered my questions of course they are but you're not going to be able to avoid that if we don't do the things that actually work We are not split on this issue. The fact of the matter is, no one has asked me to send federal troops into this city to make it safe. It has never come up. It never came up during the campaign. It's never come up in the first two years.

The fact of the matter is, we are driving violence down on this city, and we're using every single resource that's available to us. Dr. King said this right here in Chicago. The National Conference on New Politics. What did he say? He said, militarism is a sickness. I am trying to eradicate the sick. to eradicate the sickness from this city

and from this country. I'm going to work hard every single day to protect the people who are caught up in violence in the city. Yeah. And he also, we mentioned this the other day, basically

signed an order that limits what kind of prevents ICE from doing any type of staging work any type of like work on city property

and again these mayors are limited to some extent with how sort of like proactive they can be they can't actively fight ice but what they can do is

make it much much harder for ice to operate I mean they're not they're not collaborating I mean I think again like I mentioned earlier I think with the protesters, they have been collaborating in terms of some of the repression. But I think the question is moving forward for the Democrats and for a narrative and for, you know, finding a way out of fascism is what does being a sanctuary city actually mean other than just like,

yay, like we're going to try not to hand over immigrants to ICE directly, which, you know, obviously this is good, but it's like, can you actually protect them? Can we protect people? you know where and how and what guarantees when they've been living in the city for decades in terms of citizenship I mean when you see everything that's playing out amnesty doesn't sound radical to me like making people legal and unafraid in this country is not a radical idea exactly and you're just like you know what they want to paint the left like oh you want amnesty for 11 million immigrants sure sure men why not yeah I mean

like the first off the the this is unsustainable the the path that they're on and and uh and maybe to some extent like let's put this way if it did not involve such suffering for uh people who don't deserve it i'm not saying that anybody deserves suffering although in certain circumstances as I could probably be convinced. Like one or two. I've got a list. But we're not for the actual human suffering this engenders, whether it's like children losing their parents,

parents losing their children, et cetera, et cetera. Family members being torn apart, people dying in detention and whatnot. The implications of tearing these people out of your communities, people out of your communities like the labor department uh has said like we're like just precipitously close to um precariously close i should say to a food shortage uh in in different parts of the country anyone know plow skills i don't know exactly need to know how to plow but from a construction standpoint uh you know god we're going to feel the economic

impacts. We very well may be now, and it's obviously harder to tell without any data coming out, at least, you know, how widespread it is. But we're going to feel the implications of this and people are feeling it in, you know, communities being ripped apart and whatnot, and which is going to make this untenable at one point. But then we're going to have this like force of tens of thousands of Yahoo's armed and just walking around looking for something to do forcing us to the field to

pick lettuce if you're on Medicaid right oh yeah great option you're going to get on Medicaid for that but I it's going to get very ugly it'll probably I'll work out so

Optimist Matt let's uh oh let me see jo rogan talk about yeah hold on for one second though i want i see this saturn girl has written me a huge i am and i uh i can't read the whole thing but i know what she's writing about because i also saw this we were talking about this in the office hey sam i wanted to respond to your response to my i am yesterday marjorie taylorine openly breaking with the Republicans on ACA subsidies is further evidence of a fracture on the right based on class. Marjorie Taylor Green was on MSNBC talking about her constituents or demanding Congress protect health care subsidies while most of the Republican Party and their donors want

to get rid of them. You've also been playing, okay, all right, this is just too long. But I will say that I did see that. And I do think that there are, and maybe it's more in the sort of like influencer sort of sections of the of the Republican and conservative movement have a sense of like Donald Trump is not going to live forever in one fashion or another. and they're staking out a territory that is, you know, they've had success in terms of some measure of populism, and they're staking that out. Are you saying she's a real populist?

No. I think she might be a real. No, no, no. I think you have to give her a win. What? You have to give her a win here. She's a real populist. And I think it's really upsetting that you don't give her a, listen, I think that.

I think that, I think that, I think that, I think, that she got shut out of Trump's orbit. No, for sure. And realizes like, oh, what are the paths I have to follow here? It's so stupid. She was out there with the Epstein victims. She's out there like, you know, at the press conference. I mean, what I'm saying is stupid on Trump's behalf for not just throwing her a bone.

And it's all because, like, he doesn't want to fuck her. You know what I mean? It was like Laura Lume. It really is because she's like, ah, you're, you're. You haven't had enough surgery to be like an, you know, an eight. And I'm like, and, you know, and it's like. And Laura's put her in an effort. Lois and he's put the hex on you.

And I can't do it. It was definitely something. Something put her on the outs. And she sees Elaine. I'm being very facetious about the populist thing. She just sees Elaine. Oh, yeah. She sees Elaine.

She's taking it. She's reading the room on Israel and, and other things. And also, she's an anti-Semite. So it works. Oh, no, yeah. Yeah, she's up there, like, you know, she, Nick Fuentes, there's a lot of those that are realizing, like, okay, I'm on the outs here. How do I maintain what? And they're guessing on what's going to be the aftermath. Absolutely. The aftermath is Vance, bolstered by teal. Yeah. You got to have an opposition to that. Yeah. And I think, well, I'm not sure that that's so different. Like, they, I think, you know, like, like, Vance.

sort of you know he also has the ability to pretend who he is remember like he does he well he came on change his name four times he's changed his name four times his whole thing was like you know like a red state populist type of uh uh uh you know guy in his book what is jady is it john dear vance i have no uh uh james david i think it's jesus democrat i thought it was exactly um but it It is, you know, there is definitely a, how sustainable it is, we'll see. I mean, you know, Swalwell put out a tweet the other day saying that, like, his, you know, Republican colleagues are ready to abandon Trump because they're convinced that he, you know, the Epstein files are going to come out and, you know, I don't buy it. I don't buy the abandoning of anything. And I'm not suggesting, like, this break within the context of the conservative movement is not anything that's going to change the course of what's going on here.

It's just a bet that is being placed on what happens if, you know, Trump gets hit by a bus or his, Dementia just becomes, you know, he's not able to inject himself with whatever he's getting injected with in his hand every other month. Oh, yeah, I like this conspiracy theory. Well, that actually is, I don't know. I mean, he's got to have one. You've got to have one or two. Or if, you know, the Epstein thing becomes too problematic. But that hasn't shown up in the polling at all.

What's that? That Republican voters actually care about that. The media people, it's tough for like Tim Dillon and Joe Rogan to, respond to the Epstein, so to sellout, but the voters don't give a shit at all. Oh, yeah, I'm not convinced, but it may be, may create pressure in the influencer class. I mean, who knows? But when you have no present path, you basically speculate to where things are going to be. And I think that's what's going on there.

All right. Let's, let's turn to, let's do, I want to do, uh, I want to do, uh, Um, the, uh, should we do all three of the Rogan ones? Like, what's the sequencing of these, uh, I think we go immigration because that's the spinoff of what we've been talking about now. And then we can go to Epstein. And then we go to. Yeah. We'll just go dumber and dumber and dumber. Okay. I love it. So here's Joe Rogan. And he's like, he's had a moment where he said this before to about immigration. but there is such a lack of thinking here.

It's fascinating that this is like the, this is like... What is the priest's costume? It's like a Star Wars outfit. It's a priest costume. Whenever Duncan Tressel's on, they dress up. Oh, God. I'm sorry you know that. That's a bit. Part of the job.

The immigration. thing the way it looks is horrific it looks it when you're just arresting people in front of their kids and just normal regular people that have been here for 20 years yeah that everybody who has a heart can't get along with that no everybody who has a heart sees that and go that can't be right they can't be right they can be the only way to do this right because you have to think look yeah we have to have a border yes it should have been secure yes they should make sure you know who everybody is. I pause it just for one second. I just want to

unpack all this level of complete thoughtlessness and stupidity involved in this. Half of the undocumented immigrant, or I should say half of the unauthorized people in this country who are undocumented immigrants or he

perceives as illegal immigrants, they didn't cross the border. They came in with papers and just stayed. That's just like one thing. Like this is not about securing the border invasion uh unless you're like going to put the r fide chips in people as they come in with their papers that's stupid and when he says like they've been here for 20 years well okay what's the cutoff going to be like what are we going to do the cutoff like we can do

it at 20 like if you've been here for 19 years you get to stay what have you been here for 10 years five years two years like what if you have family here like everything he's saying is just dumb and thoughtless and what did you think was going to happen like what do you think was happening before and what did you think was going to happen after trump like the idea that the bide administration was just laying like uh and in obama they're just letting criminals run around and not going after it's absurd it's absurd but obama deported more people than trump as well what's the actual problem being solved here, is it the country's getting too brown, or

is it the economy? Like, right? Like, it's never addressed which one it is. And, like, it's clear that what's being done now is because the country's getting too brown. Well, it's mission creep. The whole thing is mission creep. What what's striking to me about this is that Rogan sounds like a Democrat.

This is what Democrats say constantly. Yes, the border needs to be secure. Of course, I believe the border needs to be secure. But the way it's being done is really bad. Well, is the border insecure? No, it's not, actually. Are there criminals in this country?

No, there actually are not, to the extent that you think there are, right? And there would- Immigrants are less likely to do crimes. Like, exactly. What about, what, where are all the drug busts that we're missing out on? How can we don't have that footage of all these, you know, parents with their kids? They just, they hide in mom costumes and grandpa costumes. Like, the idea, we're rounding up trend to Argua in dangerous criminals.

criminals. Where's the footage? Because they're always with a camera crew. Where's the footage of the shootouts? Yeah. Where's the guns being fired at? Where's the, where's the knife that was pulled on a nice guy? They all have camera crews. Like, we, how is it that they've been rounding up all these people? And we haven't seen one single incident of anybody fighting back except for a guy in a dinosaur costume using telekinesis to push the ice bag. Frog. Frog. Also, can we perfect train of Aragua?

No, I'm not doing that. Aragua. I don't know. Aragua. No. If you can't. If it's, let's hear, like, him espouse, like, sort of these heartfelt concerns. Because, dude, what we're seeing right now is,

is as much a product of your work. Like, if your work has done anything, it has brought us to this point, outside of, like, you know, maybe educating people. Remember when he posted, uh, after deliberating very hard? I've decided to support Donald Trump. Yeah. What was that deliberation like?

You have to think. Is that a bomb? Yeah, we have to have a border. Yes, it should have been secure. Yes, they should make sure you know who everybody is before they get Yeah. But when people have been here for 20 years, like, come on, man. That's crazy. Yeah. Let's find a way. If they've been productive members of society for 20 years, no criminal record, they worked the entire time. They paid taxes. Find them a pathway to citizenship. Find a way where you can do this thing that you want to.

It's called amnesty and they just become a citizen. Yes. What's the pathway? Again, he's like a centrist. They've been here for 20 years. This is listen what he's saying. They've been here for. 20 years they're working hard they're raising children ever committed a crime never committed a crime pay taxes we got to find them a pathway to citizens a yellow brick road what would that pathway look like okay this is what it is you got to figure out a scavenger hunt like door to explore yeah we need first you go to a trust camp and you need to climb the wall with the road like what's the pathway the pathway is you've already made the pathway that's it congrats they're productive member society. These are people, what's so ironic about people like Rogan

who hate bureaucracy, they hate big government. Their whole schick is being anti-establishment, right? Walk a day in the shoes of an immigrant navigating the immigration system in the United States of America. You want to see bureaucracy? These people are the most tracked, the most followed, the most check-in with X, Y, and Z office of any America, right, like of any of us. We could not fathom half of us. Most of us can't even pass a citizenship test. So like, it's insane to be like, oh, and they're not, yeah, because you don't know about the immigration system in this country. You've never talked about it on your show before. And I'd like to hear an effing, I'm sorry for misleading my audience about this. I guess I shouldn't

have endorsed Donald Trump because it was so clear that this is where it was going. keep them work the entire time they paid taxes find them a pathway to citizenship find a way where you can do this thing that you want to do which is keep terrorists and cartel members from getting across the border drugs to kill 100,000 people a year okay but also Purdue pharmacy right did Purdue cross the real grand because if you don't you're not going to get anybody on your side if you're doing this stuff publicly throwing women to the ground handcuffing people just for existing on the wrong side of the dirt yeah not a criminal not the only crime they ever committed was coming over here as a kid yeah

they probably didn't even know what the fuck was going on yeah yeah yeah you know a lot of kids got snuck across when they were already born in mexico yeah grown up their entire life in america they can't even speak spanish yes and they could get sent back because their parents are the criminals yeah it's called daca and incidentally it's not a crime to cross the border by the way that clip is so inflammatory to his fans. If you go on his YouTube channel, they are furious with him. They're furious because he, yeah, this liberal horseshit that he's spewing. Yeah, they're, they're furious.

Like, I'm so sick of rich people who aren't feeling the implications of unfettered immigration, just telling me I need to have a heart. Yeah, it's not what you're feeling, idiot. I mean, we are at supposedly net zero immigration right now. And like border crossing supposedly at an all-time low, immigrants coming into this country at an all-time law, and joblessness is going up. But this is the mission creep. This is the, they are advanced did this on the campaign trail, which is, you know, these people are taking your jobs. They're taking your housing.

They're the reason you can't have affordable housing is because of immigrants. And they're going to keep on hitting this button unless Democrats. actually have a working class agenda for them exactly and also uh an actual position on immigration and that is like able to be articulated to people um here is joe rogan we're going to go from uh uh dumb to dumber um here's joe rogan just like how you don't automatically know this as like even a like just the most casual

sort of consumer of news is so beyond me especially as Joe Rogan is somebody who's taking phone calls from the vice president of the United States on this exact topic but this is fascinating this is where Joe Rogan

begins to realize that oh it's the Democrats who are trying to get the Epstein files released I kid you not incidentally Mike Johnson not swearing in Graval Grealva

because she represents the 218th vote for a discharge petition which forces the a bill to the floor saying all the Epstein files are released

here's Joe Rogan apparently and this is from October 9th right like this is contemporary. This isn't from October 9th 2016. Yeah, 2012 or something. This is saying that the Democrats

wanted to come out and the Republicans don't. Party lines. Let's ask perplexity. Why won't they release the Epstein? There's Eric Swalwell who's, I guess. I read it wrong. I'm read it wrong. No, okay, so the Democrats were not. The Democrats were pushing this. The Republicans

fought against it. Okay. I fucked that up. So they just go in the long party line. So they're probably told to do this. Right. So what the fuck's in there, man? So then they've been. Okay.

Hold on for a second. I just want to help Perry Mason out here. Headphones out of potato. It has been widely reported that the White House was whipping against this vote for weeks. Mike Johnson. widely reported that he got, he dismissed Congress for five weeks over the summer to avoid this. Well, that's a disgusting lie. Like, like, and this is the Epstein files.

Like, what is this guy paying attention to? It's on, okay, it seems to be, somebody's telling them not to vote for this. No, he immediately does a what aboutism. Oh, okay, so now they only care about Epstein because Trump's in power. This is what the right's been saying. you know, since the Democrats have voted this way, have made it an issue, is like, you just care because it's Trump. And it's like that he, you know, that now he's president. It's like, yeah, but also, you know, there's nothing like a beautiful friend. I can't remember. A beautiful,

a friend is a wonderful thing to have. You know, every day is a new secret. Also because they were best friends. Also because they were best friends. Um, anyway, go back a little bit and play this. Democrats were pushing this. The Republicans fought against it. Okay. I fucked that up. So 51 to 49 is crazy.

So they just voted a long party line. So they're probably told to do this. Right. So what the fuck's in there, man? So then they've been, not only is the government shut down right now, I think that might affect it some, but they're at recessed congresses. And so this, Eric Swalwell said this stuff today. And it might not be true.

Oh, yeah, that might be not true. We've got to be skeptical, guys. this week and they confided that Trump's movement support is fading as one told me this Epstein bomb is about to drop. No one wants to defend a Pito protector. It's just a matter of time. Swalwell said in a thread.

One Republican just texts me that if there's a discharge vote on Epstein, they expect a jailbreak of over 100 members. Trump will go nuts, he added. So they said, this further goes on to say that if they get back that this is the first thing on the docket and that's sort of what's holding them back in recess right here. Wow.

Wow. Wow. A lot of wild history in real time. Dude. No. This is a wild scene. That's the totally wild. I can't believe this. Things happen, man, anyway.

His listeners are mad about his immigration case. Exactly. They're still so steamed about the fact that he was, like, upset about mothers being, you know, slammed to the floor. All right. If you're wondering what is going on and, And again, the most viewed show in the country, at least in the run up to the election, right? We're, you know, and capturing the imagination of all of media and the Democrats are like, we've got to find our own Joe Rogan.

Here's a little insight into how this guy's brain works or doesn't work. This is a clip of, is this from the dollop? uh it's dave anthony shout out and gareth reynolds shout out garth reynolds love you all uh Dave and I used to be friendly uh but we got into a fight uh around in the 2016 I think it was election was it door related yes it was no that's sad it is sad uh I always like Dave I've known him for a very long time and Dave was a writer on the Marin Show and um this is a story of when at one point And, you know, Marin's show was about him as a podcaster. And so, you know, the show would often deal with, like, podcasters and other podcasters and podcasts and whatnot.

And here's Dave telling a story of one of the episodes of Marin they were hoping to write. When I worked on Marin, we were looking for someone to do a guest role, like athletic guy, to try and get Mark in shape. And we were like, what about Rogan? He's like a big athletic guy. So the two showrunners are like, all right, if we go out to a guy like this, is kind of big.

We should be very careful with how it's written. And so they went through all of his old interviews and magazines. They took actual things he had said from the interviews and put it into the script as if like that's his beliefs, right? That's what he thinks. Marin sends Rogan the script and Rogan calls up Marin and he's furious. And he's like, what are you doing making me look like such a fucking idiot? Because Joe Rogan doesn't know what the fuck he's saying most of the time and just babbles shit.

And so when he sees it written, he's like, man, this guy sounds like a fucking moron. That stuff you said. Yep. I love this. I mean, that's the reveal at the end of the movie on how a country just completely, like literally got lost. Like, like, we can't. We don't know where we are. Mom, I don't know where I am.

Like, I don't have a map function on my phone. I just, I don't know where I am. You come pick me up. Pick me up. I don't know where I am. I'm so cold. Freezing cold. I have no idea where I am.

People don't seem to speak English around you. It's raining. I thought that didn't exist. I didn't know weather was a thing. My thing is bipolarity. the distance between his testosterone injections is depending on which rogan you get. The one who cares about immigration is far from his testosterone shots. At the beginning of the month.

And the one who is very angry. Yes, if it's gone three weeks, he's like starting to get weepy and I really feel bad about the immigrants. Whereas the day after he gets a shot, he's like, why don't they start shooting? I'll sign up myself. Exactly. We got to do this. So when he's a soy boy, he's got empathy. Exactly.

I heard someone describe Rogan. I can't remember which comic it was, say that he's someone who's so open-minded. His brain is leaking out of his skull. That sounds, and that, that was years ago. But now,

that's a real thing. Yeah, that's a real thing that I just read. I think he's all skull. I think it's a 100% skull. Oh, no brain left. There's all skull.

The ghost of a brain. The actual, the testosterone actually, like, carries like the electrical charges. That's the thing in there. He's got T-Brain. No, but for real, and the right is so obsessed with testosterone.

They're all on replacement. RFK's on replacement. They're all globally. Sam, we were talking off show that if we could disrupt the testosterone replacement in the supply chain, we would save this country. Totally. Just slightly dilute the dosage. Honestly, like that's the.

Talk about what, uh, what, uh, what, uh, antifar should be up to. That's the, that's where it's at. I would put a little bit of psilocybin just, just to replace it. Just a little bit. Exactly. Microdosing. Um, yeah, no, I'm going to do that. I, I'm like, I'm, like, I'm, you know, like 12, 15 years out. I'm going to do it from from, from, from, from, from, from, from T-R-T, of course. I want to be able to do like 65 pushups when I'm in my 70s. In jeans? Yeah. Who cares?

Who cares what I'm wearing? Yes, the only gender affirming care they believe in. I know you're not a doctor. Wow. Not yet. But does TRT, like, corrode the brain? Because I'm trying to figure out how. how somebody could say something like this in public.

This is RFK explaining to Donald Trump his theory. Like how far out out and front like the there was a theory that autism may have been a function of pregnant women taking excessive amounts of Tylenol. once you pop you can't stop when you're pregnant you get really you get that you know it's like pickles and Tylenol and the cravings are insane the uh the court case about four or five weeks the court case had been combined into a multi-district litigation went in front of a judge four or five weeks before um rfk came out with his proclamation and the judge threw a out and said, I'm sorry, like, almost like a summary judgment, like the, the quality of this research is such that it is not credible. The people presenting this are not credible enough for

this case to go for. You mean the citations were clearly AI because that's been in every single Maha report? This was a legal case where there was a research and just the judge who gets steeped in this stuff before they make this, just said, it's not credible. We can't go forward with this case. two weeks later uh r fk junior comes out with this proclamation and now it has migrated from pregnant women taking excessive amounts of Tylenol during a pregnancy to can you guess i do think it's still the woman's fault whatever it is no it's it's the boil go ahead They say, don't take Tylenol, if you're pregnant. And when the baby is born, don't give it Tylenol.

You can avoid it at all. Just don't give it Tylenol. What do you have to lose? I really don't have much to lose. There's also just many, many other confirmation studies. There's two studies that show children who are circumcised early have double the rate publicism. Yes, yes, yes.

And it's highly likely because they're given. Tyler on. Oh, you know, none of this is positive, but of all of it. Okay, wait a second. We need to break this down. What does being circumcised early mean? In the womb. Like, like, what?

Like, well, unlike an adult convert, Tonnehasi Coates guy, I can't remember CBS, dude. What was that guy's name? Oh, Tony Dupacal. Did he get a circumcised? Oh, yeah. Early and late. But I just don't know what early circumcision means. I mean, the, the doctor, I had one son, the delivering doctor asked if we wanted circumcised in that, you know, after he was born, we said, we'll hold off because we did it in a religious ceremony.

Even in the religious ceremony, we didn't give the child Tylenol. I don't know that they do this. Do you ice it? I don't know the proclamation. The, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the oil has a, a numbing thing on the, in the, say bid, and, uh, my kid did not react. Like, the idea that they're giving a just born infant Tylenol, I find very, very unlikely. Well, what's the conclusion that you should get adult circumcise and then just take it like a man? and not take anything for it.

If that is the incidence, and he's sort of making this up about the Tylenol being given, if that was the incident, you would see like wild gender differences in autism rates. Like, I just, this is, well,

insane that he said that. It's insane. It's completely, it feels like somebody said, to him like moments before at a coffee shop or something and he's like, oh, I didn't know you were going to call a teacher. Exactly. Am I supposed to say something now?

I got a new thing. No, when you bundle the lies, you bundle this fake science. It's like, okay. But there's another study maybe after they're born. I've taken my COVID theory and cross-referenced it with my Tylenol theory. And it's the

But I cannot see juice specifically. What I just, what is, um, look at Mark, Marco Rubio. Yeah. Because Bergam does the knock, because he's so polite because he's North Dakota. But Rubio just decides to disassociate. He's been doing that this whole time. But, you know, there's a tremendous amount of proof or evidence. I would say it's a non-doctor.

I've studied this a long time. You know, I met Bobby. Oh, yeah. He spent a long time studying this. Studying circumcision. Edmundstein, studying early circumcisions together. Apex Chikor says, is this RFK Jr's way of telling the world that he's not circumcised? Yes.

I think it probably is. It's natural. It's beautiful. We're going to deliver for the intactivists. I don't clean it very much. sorry I mean sorry I could say more

but yeah there is an anti-circumcision wing of the men's rights movement that I'm sure intersects with Maha and this is part of that

that Venn diagram is a solid kind of a little bit of micro-targeting though in terms of political coalition well it's only micro targeting if you do it too early. If you wait, it

becomes, the target becomes bigger. It's macro targeting, asshole. Oh my God. Let's go back to Rubio staring in and just sort of like, and this is where it's all about the circumcision.

But it's also like, before he even speaks, you know, you know Rubio's like, oh God, where's he going? He's going to add. And then it's like, now we're thinking about baby dicks. Like, all of a sudden, all of a sudden, that's where we are. It's highly likely because they're given title of things. Oh, you know, none of this is this positive, but all of it is, we should be paying attention. But, you know, there's a tremendous amount of proof for evidence, I would say. It's a non-doctor, but I've studied this a long time.

And I met Bobby in my office 20 years ago. We were talking about the same thing 20 years ago. And I was a real estate developer. It bothered me that it seemed to be getting worse. But it's so bad now when you hear these numbers, it's not even really sustainable. I don't know how people do it. But there was some very strong evidence on Tylenol.

In fact, at one point, I guess the company gave a warning. They still don't recommend it during pregnancy. They're not recommending it. That's the company itself. So just don't take it. Don't take it. If you're a woman, don't take it, and don't give it to the baby when the baby's born,

and I think that's going to have an impact. But I'd also get the shots in small doses. There are a few things. We give a few things that just seem to be, and I think you'd get that number way back up. Think of it. You have one in 20,000. And now it's just, it's not even believable

when you think the 20,000 drops to 12, 12 children. So that's induced by something that's given or taken, and it should be able to be stopped. And you're talking about the Pennsylvania Dutch, you were talking about the Amish, where they don't take any of this stuff, and they have virtually none, right? They have no one.

Yeah, they're talking about the time the Amish guy when I'm Theo, I'm not joking about this, an Amish guy went on Theo Vaughan's podcast and they said they don't have ADHD in the Amish community. Shut up. So we're not even talking about autism anymore, but, okay. The entire, the entire religion is autistic. I'm sorry. Like, that much attention to the weaving and the no, the no electricity.

You've got to be an artist to start that. Have barn raising down to a science? Yeah. come on i don't think it's in this clip but he goes on trump says that we give babies vaccines the size of glasses of water don't give him anything just just give them air it is the size of it we should not be giving them that much vaccine this is why do we should not be giving them that much uh vaccine this is why do we give babies vaccines that are 50 times larger than we give adults.

Meanwhile, like, how does it doesn't make sense? How big is the Ivermectin pill? They're like, we guess you got to let him choke down some horse dewormer. It's all my kid needs. No, it's, it is truly terrifying. I think he's, Trump is the most cucked by RFK Jr. by far. Has there been anyone who's gotten him to 180 on a policy on the one effing thing that he did well, which was Operation Warp Speed.

I mean, what a... But that had already... That ship had already sailed. Whatever. He signed his name to it and all that. No, but I'm saying, like, the turnaround I would not credit Kennedy with. Oh, sure. I would say, like, that ship had sailed. He was already disavowing the warp speed early because of the anti-vax movement.

And because... He was resentful of it, though. There was a little bit... I mean, it was good, but, like... Of course. But he was trying to... split the difference because by the time he leaves office like they just went full on with like it's not really even real the plan i mean remember what it was like the pandemic then it was uh the vaccines

like it it's just like a huge market of self-denial there were guys on the street in new york with microphones feel like like dave reuben maybe even was out like in the first couple days in New York on like I don't see any refrigerator trailers like they were yeah Dave Rubin was going saying there's nobody at the hospital it must be a lie Jesus

amazing because like I just wanted to be a fascist I didn't want to be a psycho no that's what we're being here for me oh man I don't it's just amazing it's just like hey Bobby turn off your massage chair before you talk

it's just vibrant Hold on. Let me drop another corner into this. My back is really tight. If he's just, he has like a vibrating belt on and that's why his voices sounded like. He knows he sounds like he's dying. Like he's well aware and yet he still talks. He's the leader of health in the country. Picture of health.

Regular tanning beds, shoes, Z, whatever, like the, what are the tobacco strips? By the way, tobacco is all. on Maha and RFK Jr. Because they avoid tobacco completely. They don't talk about the leading cause of chronic disease. They're so obsessed chronic disease is tobacco in this country. They don't talk about it. They...

Well, don't they sell nicotine? Like, aren't they part of that new nicotine movement? Zin? Yeah, there's Zin. That's the word. That's what I was Z. Yeah, Zin. I don't know.

I don't know. But RFK Jr. is constantly popping it. But I've heard, I think, isn't this like pretty, um, dense with nicotine, right? I've heard, like, getting off of zins are way harder than getting off of... It's up by Philip Morris. Oh, good. Small company.

They know how to do it. Dr. ChaosMD. I claim to be a doctor, and I will confidently say that, yes, TRT will completely degrade your cognitive function and make you a raving lunatic. However, it does make you a delightful shade of red. Chris Perdick, I wonder what connection might exist between RFK Jr. Now claiming that circumcisions caused autism and his earlier assertion that COVID was a bio-weapon engineered to spare Ashkenazi Jews. Yes, we're all, we're heading there eventually.

He's got to build the case. A couple more IMs. Onion Breath, FYI, following ice and honking is likely what got the woman rammed by ice and shot five times last Saturday. in Chicago. I guess maybe you've got to be careful. Yeah. If you can get through that, you'll get 12, 15 mil.

Between the 101 and the five, actually a brawny. Dudes who love my little pony, please look that up, Sam, and watch the Netflix documentary. Oh, yes, that's right. Wow, I love that. I don't want to watch that documentary.

I don't want to know. Um, so what's going to happen at your show on Monday? What isn't going to happen? Um, it's going to be crazy. Fucking Thailand and all everywhere. Circumcisions vaccines. Circumcisions. Live circumcisions.

Adult circumcisions. Children, child circumcisions. Uh, TRT for the first, uh, uh, TRT for the first, uh, 15 through the door. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely. Um, yeah, no, uh, we're going to be, uh, doing stand-up, stand-stand-up comedy. Um, um, Matt and I co-headlining and Daniel Matte and Aram Brown is going to do some live audioing.

Yeah, exactly. We're going to legalize it. It's going to be super fun. Come out. I forgot my merch, which sucks. That's okay. There's links to the tickets in the show. Hey, the links to the tickets in the thank you in the show notes.

Legalize comedy. My God. Yeah, the Riyadh stuff. I didn't get the invite to Riyadh, so I'm here. here now. Yeah. Super pissed. I, I, I guessed.

But that, you don't think I could have been asked? Isn't it over? It's over. But my favorite part about that whole kerfuffle is that, you know someone asked to be on that lineup. Of course. You know, like, as a comic, like, we know there's someone who's like, hey, oh, could I actually? I saw Tim Dillon got disinvited.

Yeah. Did you need a replacement? Does anybody have Turkey Ella Sheik's number? All right, I'm going to read five IMs and we'll get out of here. Chucky B. Amish don't get diagnosed with ADHD or autism because they don't go anywhere near a hospital. M.J.S. 617, Sam, Swalwell seemed to be really hyping up whatever's in the Epstein files. You can't afford to oversell this, in my opinion. It would be a big miscalculation if it turns out to be less than truly scandalous.

And he should know this by now. He's going to lose all credibility if he under delivers yet again. I mean, I don't know. I don't, I mean, I feel like those that there are certain politics that Democrats are subjected to and Republicans know, right? Like, they had 50 hearings on Benghazi and never paid a price. In fact, it was very lucrative. That's where the whole Clinton emails thing came from. What do you think about the Katie Portie thing?

Just quickly. Do you give a shit? I don't. I don't give a shit. I actually don't. I just think it's funny that people are making it a thing. I, you know, I don't know where her political career is going, really.

I think the, you know, the APEC and the Netanyahu meeting stuff, I soured a lot of the progressive movement on her anyway before this. If she were a pain in the ass as a boss and was, but also had great politics, that'd be different. I mean, I'm sorry, but it is. But this is just like it's palace intrigue on a campaign that I, I don't really, I don't think had a lot of legs to begin with. But, you know, I hate Newsom.

She seemed like the presumptive, like, nominee. Isn't Harris going to jump? I don't know. I don't think Harris is. No. If it's Porter v. Newsome, we all know where I'm standing on that, on something like that. But does Newsom is, is there no terming out?

Yeah, I guess he's terming out. I'm, I don't know. I'm just from California, whatever. I don't know. I just, I, uh, do you care? I, you know, there are parts about her politics that I very, very much like. And, um, I think the question was dumb. I think she, um, mishandled it as a political matter.

in optics. But do I care that she may be an ass to work for? I wouldn't necessarily want to work for her under those circumstances. But a lot of people. I don't think the campaign is over. I don't think it's like, you know,

they're really trying to push it hard. Somebody is. Yeah, someone is trying to tinker for sure, and it's probably a centrist. Lydia Rose. Franny, will you have transgender for everybody at your show? Oh, transgender for everybody. Everybody trans.

More, yeah, first 100 through the door. If we sell out, everyone is getting free transgender. Joe Banks, please cover Hegzith announcement that he's accepted the building of a Katari, Emory, Air Force Base in Idaho. We heard that and we cannot figure out what that means. Sure, Idaho will love it, though. they don't actually mean like there's going to be Qatari Air Force. Why not?

I guess, I mean, turnarounds a fair play. It is kind of funny to put a Qatar Air Force base in like the state known for white supremacy. Yeah, dude, when Israel bombs it, the anti-Semitism is going to go insane. Mortified penguin fed here, federal worker, little clarification. My bank usually gets my paycheck through on. Saturdays, as I understand it, we should still get paid for the work we actually did the last pay period, 922 to 10.3, the pay stopping on 10-1 shutdown date. So we should get some, but not all of our paycheck. All right, two more. Back to California really quickly. Everyone should have gotten

their ballot to vote on Proposition 50 to redistrict California, to out-jerrymander, Texas. When does that vote? November. Oh, wow. But it's out now. You can send it back on mail via mail or Dropbox. So fill that out. Yes.

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Bye-bye. It might take all the strength like I to get to where I want. But I know somehow I'm going to get there. I wasn't looking when I just got caught. But see the truth in the light bar. Find it out won't make me feel any better.

Yeah, I know the clock is ticking, but the men's are going to kick in. And my pilot light shine bright. I guess I'm where the choice is made for the option where you don't get paid. For the road that bends Before it finally breaks you I guess I lost my drive

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While I shifted in and out of gear waiting for my moment to happen I don't know how much longer I can stay in or how much more I'm not to pay to play in I know somehow the last got braided