The Majority Report with Sam Seder - 3643 - Trump's Corruption Enumerated; Defeating a Corporate Dem Congressman w/ Isaac Saul, Brad Lander
Episode Date: May 13, 2026It's Hump Day on The Majority Report On today's Program: Wholesale inflation jumped 6% in April but Trump says he doesn't care because he is laser-focused on preventing Iran from developing a nuclear ...weapon. In spooky-scary news, Trump has threatened to change the name of Operation Epic fury to Operation Sledgehammer if ceasefire talks fail. So scary! Brad Lander joins the show to discuss his campaign for New York's 10th Congressional district. Isaac Saul, politics reporter and founder of Tangle News joins the show for a conversation about his piece on Trump's self-dealings headlined: "The Everything, Everywhere, all at Once Corruption Story". In the Fun Half: Don Jr. and Eric Trump took over 590,000 $100 deposits for Trump Mobile phones and not one confirmed customer has received a phone. Senator John Fetterman goes on Real Time with Bill Maher and tries to defend his call for a ban on "lab meat" but is too incoherent to string a sentence together. Senator Mitch McConnell is essentially a groaning corpse at this point. 82-year-old Rep. Virginia Foxx responds to a letter from a fourth grader who was excited to share his persuasive essay homework assignment with the representative by attacking him and his teacher. All that and more. To connect and organize with your local ICE rapid response team visit ICERRT.com The Congress switchboard number is (202) 224-3121. You can use this number to connect with either the U.S. Senate or the House of Representatives. Follow us on TikTok here: https://www.tiktok.com/@majorityreportfm Check us out on Twitch here: https://www.twitch.tv/themajorityreport Find our Rumble stream here: https://rumble.com/user/majorityreport Check out our alt YouTube channel here: https://www.youtube.com/majorityreportlive Gift a Majority Report subscription here: https://fans.fm/majority/gift Subscribe to the AMQuickie newsletter here: https://am-quickie.ghost.io/ Join the Majority Report Discord! https://majoritydiscord.com/ Get all your MR merch at our store: https://shop.majorityreportradio.com/ Get the free Majority Report App!: https://majority.fm/app Go to https://JustCoffee.coop and use coupon code majority to get 10% off your purchase Check out today's sponsors: Z BIOTICS: head to ZBiotics.com/MAJORITY and use the code MAJORITY at checkout for 15% off. RIDGE WALLET: Get up to 40% off @Ridge with code MAJORITYREPORT at Ridge.com/MAJORITYREPORT SELECT QUOTE: Get the right life insurance for you and save more than 50% on term life insurance at SelectQuote.com/MAJORITY SUNSET LAKE CBD: Use coupon code "Left Is Best" (all one word) for 20% off of your entire order at SunsetLakeCBD.com Follow the Majority Report crew on Twitter: @SamSeder @EmmaVigeland @MattLech On Instagram: @MrBryanVokey Check out Matt's show, Left Reckoning, on YouTube, and subscribe on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/leftreckoning Check out Matt Binder's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/mattbinder Subscribe to Brandon's show The Discourse on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/ExpandTheDiscourse Check out Ava Raiza's music here! https://avaraiza.bandcamp.
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And now time for the show.
It is Wednesday, May 13th, 2026.
My name is Sam Cedar.
This is the five-time award-winning majority report.
We are broadcasting live steps from the industrially ravaged Gowanus Canal in the heartland of America, downtown Brooklyn, USA.
On the program today, Bradlander.
candidate for New York's 10th Congressional District.
Also on the program, Isaac Saul, politics reporter and founder of Tangle News on the myriad of Trump
enrichment scandals that nobody seems to pay much attention to.
Also on the program today, classified assessment, Iran retains much of its missile capabilities.
abilities as Pete Heghseth threatens to rename the Iran War Sledgehammer.
Oh, like orange juice and vodka?
Yes.
It was either of that.
Oh.
I'm not off my game.
See?
See?
See?
She doesn't even drink.
I don't even drink.
Wholesal inflation spikes.
That is also not a drink name.
It's the biggest increase since the post-COVID lockdowns.
Nebraska Democratic primary leaves independent Dan Osborne in a good position versus sitting Senator Ricketts.
Progressive who was outspent 10 to 1 at least in Nebraska's second appears to have lost.
South Carolina lawmakers decide against gerrymandering Jim Clyburn's seat away.
the DOJ is considering paying off a payoff to Trump in his lawsuit against the IRS.
Incidentally, Trump's former defense attorney is the head of the DOJ, and I bet is owed some money from Donald Trump.
Meanwhile, Trump appoints a private prison executive to head ICE.
Cash Patel says he'll take a test.
to assess his alcohol drinking.
The Trump regime fires another FEMA vet from FEMA leadership.
George Governor Kemp makes some Metro Atlanta race is nonpartisan because the Republican brand is trashed there.
Tennessee House Republicans strip nearly all Democrats of their committee assignments.
And Mamdani secures New York State.
money and trying to close the Eric Adams budget deficit in New York City. All this and more on
today's majority report. Welcome, ladies and gentlemen. It is hump day. It is hump day. And look
who's back. I'm back. Yes, you may be able to hear it in my voice slightly. I got pretty sick this
whole weekend at the cancel Mother's Day plans, everything like that. So not thrilled about it,
I'm actually quite happy to be back.
It's great to not just be sitting in my bed watching inane Netflix stuff.
God, they really have run out of interesting cases to do docu-series on.
I watched one that was just completely stupid and I wasted my whole day.
But, you know, I'm back.
I'm back.
Okay.
Well, you seem pretty giddy about it.
I want to issue a direction.
Ain't nothing going to slow me down.
Okay.
A sledgehammer is a cocktail.
Mm-hmm.
And it does involve.
vodka and orange juice, it just adds an ounce of lime juice.
Ooh.
Which is what makes it a sledgehammer, according to bevy.com.
That's very nice.
That's very nice.
Well, I'm on a...
So you were right, drinker.
I am on a cocktail right now called Dayquil, so I'm going to be a little bit silly today.
Okay.
It makes me feel very weird.
I mean, it is kind of meth-y, right?
Can you send word to Bradlanders people that things may get a little awkward?
Okay.
Keeping it together?
She was offered a tour, sushi, and poker with the boys.
All right.
There are new inflation numbers came out today.
As you know, yesterday we heard that the consumer price index shot up several percentage points, almost 4%, which was the outpacing wage growth.
for the first time since 2023, core inflation also shot up. That's stripped of gas and food.
So it suggests that things like tariffs and perhaps sort of things that are downstream from energy costs,
obviously Petroleum does a lot of things, is what's driving inflation. And today, wholesale inflation numbers for April were,
released and it jumped 6% in April on an annual basis, which is the biggest increase since
2022. And that suggests also, even if because it's a in part, was this in trade services,
that you're starting to see the implications of tariffs now as well as obviously energy costs.
But Donald Trump, he's not bothered by this because he's got a bigger fish to fry.
and that is Iran's make-believe nuclear weapons.
And the war that's not a war.
He keeps slipping up now and just calling it a war.
He was calling it an excursion or an incursion or a little jaunt.
I mean he literally said they don't like it when I call it a war.
Well, what do you mean they don't like it, meaning it's illegal because Congress is supposed to authorize it?
Yeah, they, the Constitution, doesn't like it.
Yeah.
And here is Donald Trump.
but making it clear, and this is, I have an idea on what he's trying to go for here.
Not even a little bit.
The only thing that matters when I'm talking about Iran, they can't have a nuclear weapon.
I don't think about American financial situation.
I don't think about anybody.
I think about one thing.
We could not let Iran have a nuclear weapon.
That's all.
That's the only thing that's the only thing.
Now, aside from that being cut for, you know,
cut for ads across the country, I would imagine as we speak. It shows sort of like just the
absolute adolescent brain that is driving this entire excursion against Iran. They're going in
for negotiations. They are, and Emma, you could talk about this, you know, Pakistan story
that seems to be somewhat bunk. But they are going into negotiations with Iran. And
And Trump is out there trying to prove to Iran that he doesn't, he is no way influenced at all by the politics in this country.
And so he's not worried whatsoever that Americans are dealing with inflation that we are on the brink of a global recession.
And all of the sort of accompanied oil shortages and energy shortages and shortages maybe in chips and shortages,
and in fertilizer, in spikes in food, he's pretending he doesn't care because he thinks this is going
to scare the Iranians. Meanwhile, you have the threat that the Pentagon is considering renaming the
Iran War if the Seats Fire collapses sledgehammer.
The president must know what he's doing.
I mean, I'm scared now.
This is like, honestly, like, if I tried to pull this on my 13-year-old son,
something so ham-fisted, like, if you don't agree, if you don't agree to go to bed in the next 30 minutes,
I'm going to change the name of your phone to not here anymore.
Yeah.
You're double-grounded as opposed to just single-grounded.
I mean, that's what they're doing with the straight of Hormuz, too.
Have you heard of double secret probation?
I mean, this is, to think that this is going to influence the Iranians, they can see polls.
They can see gas prices.
They can see people like they can see inflation numbers going up.
They can get the same, you know, assessment of the economy as we do here at the majority.
report. They're quite in tune with the American domestic political situation as has been clear with their
propaganda videos that are very working both on Americans and the rest of the world. And I would say
significantly more so than we or Israel is in tune with what's going on in that country.
A hundred percent. Although Israel, I think, is well aware that like their intelligence assessments are
always rosier and they just found the sucker, Trump, whose ego is large enough, who finally agreed
to this and like was okay with the massad operations prior to that and thought he was being really
clever but then blurts out oh we're arming the Kurds and all this stuff but the pakistan thing
is important just to touch on that because um there was a story in cbs in our packet this morning
about how pakistan they are the mediators now tasked uh with brokering this uh peace deal hopefully between
the u.s slash israel and iran
And CBS, now owned by pro-Trump Zionists, came out with a story about how Pakistan has been allowing Iran to use its bases, which if I saw Fox News repeat, but I haven't seen other outlets repeat that that credibly.
And then you have Lindsay Graham repeating that and saying that Pakistan is doing that.
And then Netanyahu came out on CBS and said, Pakistan has a bot farm that's going after Israel.
This is very similar to what they've done previously with the Qatari mediators when there was Qatar meeting between Hamas and Israel in the United States for Gaza.
They bombed Doha and they also basically accused them of being on Hamas's side.
So Israel, whenever things get closer and diplomatic negotiations get a little bit more likely to succeed, they attack the mediators and they're doing that with their, you know, asset, Lindsay Graham, and that.
and the media assets that they have in CBS here in the United States.
And we'll see if it works on Trump.
It's worked on him before.
Yep.
Well, the Iranians better get on it.
Or we're going to change the name of the war to sledgehammer.
The paperwork, they're going to have to change all of their paperwork and white it out and change it to sledgehammer or now to something else.
Hegsseth is going to go around in a Thor costume.
In a moment, we're going to be talking to.
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With Emma Vigland, and it is a pleasure to welcome to the program, Brad Lander.
He is the former New York City comptroller and is currently a candidate for a New York's 10th Congressional District.
Brad, welcome to the show.
Great to be with you both.
Now, you were supposed to be on trial this one.
week, if I'm not mistaken. Tell us why. Was this like a speeding ticket type of thing?
This was for my arrest in September with about 75 other activists at 26 Federal Plaza.
When most people saw me get arrested, that was back in June. And I was just trying to accompany
immigrant neighbors. I went back every week after that. And in September, about 75 of us said,
we have to do more to put our bodies in the way and to, you know, put our bodies in the way and to
demand to see what ICE is doing in those detention facilities.
So along with 10 other elected officials and about 75 New Yorkers, we went to the 10th floor
and demanded access.
And we said we wouldn't leave until they gave us access to what a federal judge had said
was a human rights violation.
And eventually they arrested us.
And I'm taking my case to trial because we can't be afraid of these brown shirts.
And the crime is not what we were doing demanding access.
the crime is what ICE is doing.
And that's the case I'm going to make.
There's a new witness that basically the government didn't put on the witness list
that has some information bearing on the case.
And he's out of town.
So the trial will be June 10th.
And so I spent this week back doing more court watching at 26 federal plaza.
ICE is still there deporting our neighbors.
The governor announced that there's going to be,
and folks have been working on this in the Senate and the Assembly that New York City and New York's
cooperation with ICE is going to be restricted, at least to some extent.
How would that implicate, you know, what's going on at the federal building?
Well, look, what I wish the governor would do is get on board supporting the New York for all
act. That's what immigrant activists are pushing. That would genuinely restrict collaboration
between a state or local law enforcement and ICE all across New York State.
The restrictions that the governor is proposing are much softer than that.
And I don't know that they'll make that much difference in New York.
Now, there is in the budget a bill that would not allow law enforcement officers to wear masks in New York State.
We'll see what happens if that passes and ICE officers who don't identify themselves,
who don't carry judicial warrants generally continue to wear masks.
So that I do support.
But I'd like to see New York for all past.
Great.
Yeah, that, I think as she has it now,
there can be casual or unofficial contact between ICE.
And that seems odd to me.
Yeah, look, what happened last week out in Bushwick,
a lot of people saw that video.
You know, it's not clear whether there was collaboration in advance.
whether ICE gave the NYPD notice, but there were NYPD on the scene.
And then what they did was essentially protected the ICE officers without asking them,
hey, one, not for nothing, you're wearing a mask and you've got no identification.
How do we know you're actually law enforcement?
Two, do you have a judicial warrant?
What if that's a U.S. citizen that you're picking up?
So, yes, allowing that kind of collaboration, I believe, is a mistake.
Let's turn to your race for a moment.
New polling has come out.
Dan Goldman's pack.
We should say, you know, Dan Goldman, I mean, it's, I don't know how much he needs a pack.
He's got a lot of his own money.
I think he funded it with his own money, right?
So here's the deal.
Dan Goldman is a quarter billionaire.
He's the heir, one of the heirs to the Levi's fortune.
He has put millions of his own dollars into his campaign.
over the years and just put another million in a couple weeks ago. He still takes money from Wall
Street, from crypto, from APAC donors to the tune of millions of dollars. And he's got a red box on
his website pleading for corporate funded super PACs to start attacking me. So, and one of those
super PACs is who funded this poll. But I'm pleased to say even Dan Goldman's super PAC funded poll
has me up five points. Will you explain that red box? Because I find that fascinating. I don't
know if people understand this because a candidate is not supposed to coordinate with a super pack,
but there is like, it's basically like you go down, you write a piece of chalk on a mailbox
and you put a package there and they come by and pick it up. I don't think people really appreciate
how corrupt this system is. Like people know that all this money in politics is gross,
but there's this idea that Citizens United, you know, I don't know, it means you can't coordinate.
But what Dan Goldman is doing and what is, you know, apparently legal is you can put on your own campaign website, a web page.
And I guess technically it's okay because it's public, even though it's not linked from anywhere else on his website, unless you have the URL.
You don't know where to go, but there it is.
And it basically says, hey, super PAC funders, you know, voters need to know the following things and starts to do, you know.
This is how we plan to attack Lander.
And so, you know.
No need to coordinate when we just put our game plan out there.
You can put media assets up on it.
I mean, it's really appalling.
And, you know, let's also remember, you know, in New York City,
I passed the toughest independent expenditure disclosure act in the country.
We're not allowed by the Supreme Court to ban i.ease.
But you can require that every single donor be identified.
And we even require that the top three donors on any ad or piece of mail have to put
their names on the ad, that would pass muster in Washington, but you sure won't see Dan Goldman
supporting it. Well, can you talk a little bit more about Dan Goldman because this is my district,
very excited that you are running and challenging him because he first got elected with a split
field on the progressive lane. And we spoke to Eulene knew, I guess last week or two weeks ago,
just about her reflections on that race and why she chose to stay out and that you're kind of
the the the the the the horse to bet on to the left uh of dan goldman here um but but he really relied on
that split field and a lot of less voters who are a little bit less engaged but how he presented
himself to voters was on the fighter against Donald trump because he has this background as being
a lawyer in the impeachment um but you have like actually you're going to trial you stood up to
ice, you're putting your body on the line. How are you drawing that contrast when he can kind of
have that layup, oh, I'm the impeachment guy? Yeah, look, this is a five alarm fire for our democracy
and for working families and establishment Democrats like Dan Goldman aren't getting the job done.
And they don't know how to put it out. They can see the house is burning. You know, they know
Donald Trump is locking up our neighbors and kicking people off food stamps and taking us into
reckless and illegal wars. But instead of standing up to the billionaires who put him there,
they just keep taking their money. So, yeah, so I mean, Dan Goldman takes crypto money and voted
with Republicans to deregulate crypto. Dan Goldman takes APAC money and continues to support
unconditional aid for genocide. So, you know, I'm making a bunch of contrast. One, I fight with
working people. When he ran four years ago, he opposed Medicare for all.
He knows it's a progressive district, so he's moved to his left and says he supports it now.
But we need people who are going to fight who put their bodies on the line.
When Elon Musk and Trump stole $80 million from New York City, I found it, you know, demanded Eric Adams go into court to get it back.
Look, I'm a proud Jewish New Yorker, but I hate what unconditional U.S. military aid to Israel is doing in Gaza and Lebanon and the West Bank.
I'm trying to speak up with moral clarity.
I believe people want a fighter and not a fundraiser.
You know, I am sort of like amazed by the, I don't think this is the, it's not the, this is an extremely blue district.
Let's put it that way.
And it's a pretty progressive district as far as the blue districts go.
I mean, I don't know where it would stand across the country, but it's pretty up there.
That poll that by his Super PAC has both the Working Families Party and DSA more popular than Dan Goldman in the New York Times.
Yes. And I think like he's trying to, I mean, he knows that like he's going to try and have his pack buddies attack you from the left in some ways, which is sort of hilarious.
But I think it does show his commitment to corporate.
corporatist principles when he is, you know, he's doing, he is taking this money.
He is running this way.
He is voting this way, despite the fact that he's in a district that he knows is significantly
more progressive than he was.
He could have easily pivoted in a way, you know, over the course of the past two years
and rejected crypto money, rejected all this stuff.
And he didn't.
Yeah.
Look, this is the arrogance of corporate Democrats.
You know, he could have.
endorsed Zoran, maybe not in the primary, but in the general election when he was already the Democratic nominee.
This is someone who, look, he voted to censure, Rashida Tili, with Republicans.
His animosity toward the left. Just it's who he is. It comes through. And yeah, he knows it's a
progressive district. So he's happy to beg corporate super PACs to hit me from the left in an effort
to get him back in office. But still, he's made.
clear he wants to keep voting for both offensive and defensive weapons for Israel. Again, he voted
for crypto, both the Genius Act and the Clarity Act. Yeah, I think he thinks he knows better.
Let's talk a little bit about what's going on with the Voting Rights Act. And the entire playing field
has shifted in the past like week and a half in terms of like the the democrats opportunity to
take over the house um they now need like a three or four percent minimum bump just to make up
the difference in three or four seats um uh i'm talking like a in aggregate um what aside from
what democrats need to do to get elected in this uh but what do they need to do once they have power
And of course, part of that's incumbent upon having a Senate and a president.
But what's the plan to deal with the power imbalance?
Never mind sort of like even just the policy standpoint, but to get us back to a place where, you know, we actually, how Americans vote end up being represented in the who gets elected.
Yeah.
Look, in the short term, we've got to do what we need to to win.
there are places like New York where we're not going to be able to redistrict this cycle,
but we should be able to redistrict next cycle, and we've got to do it.
And obviously, mostly what we have to do, I believe, in both 26 and 28,
is just prosecute the case that, you know, Trump and MAGA Republicans and their billionaires
are screwing working people and that those folks who voted for Trump,
if they want health care, if they want housing, they can afford,
need to be willing to join us to tax billionaires.
in order of what we have to do to fix the politics.
I mean, one thing I've been pushing is for Democrats to be willing to expand the Supreme Court
because this court is what keeps giving away our democracy.
And Ellie Mistal is the person who I've really been in dialogue with on this,
who's done a good job of articulating the court has been expanded before,
does not take a constitutional amendment,
and we should go ahead and do it.
And there are ways to do it that I think,
you know, will be, we'll work for the long term. I would love to see term limits as well. That probably
would take a constitutional amendment. But after we win in 28, Kenahara, knock wood, the White House,
the Senate, and the House, we should expand the court and then propose a constitutional amendment
imposing term limits and say to Republicans, look, we are expanding the court, like you guys rigged
this thing for too long. But let's work together to put term limits in place so that that expansion
plays out in a more democratic way and not just a partisan one.
It's worth just mentioning that in terms of court expansion, traditionally the court has followed
the number of people on the court has been, has mirrored how many circuit courts we have.
And we now have 13.
So that would be a good number.
Yeah.
I like 13.
But 13 sounds good.
That's a great question, Sam.
I'm curious if you are also in favor of ethics reform for the Supreme Court or ethics standards, I'd imagine that you are.
But that also kind of brings me to the question about systemic change on campaign finance reform.
What would you support in Congress in terms of rolling back citizens united?
So you're not, all the races across the country aren't in a situation like you're in, where you have an incredibly well.
wealthy opponent who's able to spend his own money or really, I mean, I guess that could happen
anywhere, but also get Super PAC outside expenditure money to help this very wealthy candidate.
Two things I'd like to do. Don't take over turning citizens United. I mentioned in New York City,
I was the lead sponsor of the Independent Expenditure Disclosure Act, which requires disclosure
of every contribution to a Super PAC. It's up on the web for all New York City IEs and the top
three donors for any ad, have to put their names on the ad. And that has real impact. We still have
outside money in New York City elections, but we don't have dark money. And Congress could pass that
tomorrow. And obviously, there's no reason not to do it. So that's one. Two, we should get going
with a voluntary pilot matching funds program that you would not be obligated to participate in,
but that you could run for Congress on matching funds, just like you could run for city council or mayor or
now state legislature here. And that doesn't mean you won't have a quarter billionaire opponent
with super PACs, but at least it means you could run a grassroots race, raising money from your
neighbors. And I think that that should require not only that you don't take corporate PAC money
and that you agree to a max spend in the race, but some things you can do to discourage outside
spending. I challenged Goldman to this people's pledge that Elizabeth Warren and Scott Brown took in
2012 to contribute money from their own campaign accounts if super PACs spent on their behalf.
So that could make a real difference.
But look, big picture, we have to get Citizens United overturned.
And that's part of why we've got to expand the court.
I mean, this court is in the pocket of billionaires.
We need a court that would be in serving the American people.
And we're not going to overturn Citizens United until we change it.
People don't realize, and just to put a button on that,
how important the matching funds program was for Zora Mamdani's victory, and I know you know this as well as
anybody, Brad, but the fact that he was able to be competitive in the primary with Andrew Cuomo because
of the 10 to one matching funds in New York, it is a democratizing force in elections that can
combat this dark money in the interim period where we have to get the courts to make this illegal
again.
100%.
And, you know, our city council is now majority women, majority of people of color, lots of work.
working class folks. And it's not only that the matching funds help you send your mail and put your
ads up, but you run a race that's about democracy. You reach out to your neighbors. And again,
you could see that in Zoran's race, even the way he fundraised helped him build momentum and energy.
Even I had a front row seat watching that energy run right past me. But it was enough so that even
when those super PACs, you know, started spending for Cuomone trying to demonize them,
not only did he have the resources, but a level of grassroots support that is what our elections are supposed to be about.
Lastly, I know you're running for federal office, but is there any way that we can pass some type of statutory obligation for Andrew Cuomo to keep his promise and move to Florida?
I just wish this is, you know, there's a couple of things.
Oran says he wants everyone to stay here.
You know, there's a couple of billionaires and folks like Andrew Cuomo that I'm okay if they were.
He promised. He promised. That's all I go.
Como would never break a promise or lie.
Bradlander candidate for New York's 10th congressional district.
If folks in New York City or frankly out of New York City want to get involved in your campaign,
help out in some manner, whether it's door knocking or other ways, how would they do that?
Go to Bradlander for Congress.com. We're out knocking doors and texting and phone banks every day.
obviously if you can chip in five or ten bucks to help me compete, I would be very grateful.
Bradlander, thanks so much for your time today.
Really appreciate it.
Great to be with you both.
Thanks, Brad.
All right, folks.
We're going to take quick break.
When we come back, we're going to be talking to Isaac Saul, politics reporter and founder
of Tangle News, who has written a 6,000 word piece.
He probably could have done 10,000 words on all of the, you.
The Trump scandals to date.
It is the everything everywhere all at once corruption story about the president's self-dealing.
We will talk to him in just a moment.
We are back.
Sam Cedar, Emma Vigland on the Majority Report.
Pleasure to welcome to the program, Isaac Saul, politics reporter and founder of Tangle News.
Isaac, welcome to the program.
Thanks for having me, guys. Glad to be here.
So you've written a piece,
the Everything Everywhere, All at Once, corruption story.
A look at the president's self-dealing, which, you know, I really,
it's a great piece.
And just overdue, and so much of this trying to keep up with this self-dealing and corruption
has been difficult because,
it is so enormous.
It is.
And it's like one of those things where it's almost too big to believe.
Just in general, just talk about that.
And then we'll go from there.
Yeah.
I mean, in the piece, I sort of describe it as feeling like the country's kind of under a spell.
And the opponents of the president, Democrats, liberals,
who want to, you know, make this an issue seem overwhelmed.
like they just don't know which story to kind of glob onto and make as the centerpiece of their criticism of his administration because there's so many.
And his supporters are just kind of tuning it out because it's become like the air we're breathing.
I mean, we're just, we're swimming in it constantly.
And with every new story that comes out, I think the shock factor just wears off.
And there's kind of this like nihilistic hold taking, you know, everybody's attitude is just everybody in D.C. does this.
and this is how it works and people are corrupt
and they make money when they're in office
and the Obama's got rich.
And so I don't know why I should care about this.
And you kind of see the reality as I think I tried to lay it out,
which is just looking at all of these stories next to each other in succession.
It's so astonishing.
And I think there's a really good case that we're witnessing
the most corrupt administration in American history.
I mean, and I don't say that lightly.
There's a lot of exaggeration that comes to covering President Trump.
But I really don't know who holds a candle to him when it comes to the self-dealing and self-enriched him.
Yeah, I don't, I don't, I mean, I don't think it's, we've, we've had corrupt presidents.
And I don't, certainly, you'd have to go back into the 19th century to even like, I think even come close, frankly.
But, but put, I just want to stay on this point before we get through to the details.
because from reading your follow-up piece on it,
I learned like you wrote fairly extensively on Hunter Biden and those issues
and the laptop and the, you know, the trading off his name to get a job on a board of directors
that was pretty clear like it was because of his last name was Biden,
etc, et cetera, which, you know, I think we've seen over and over again, that is sort of like
there is like a sort of a baseline corruption or nepotism or whatever that you see in there.
But what like this, I mean, I'm mesified by this too, and we barely cover the corruption angle,
you know, and we're ideologues.
We are committed against Donald Trump.
But what is it that you, having done sort of like covered from both sides there, what do you see in terms of like the infrastructure on the nominal right and left?
It's really more of a partisan thing, I think, than an ideological one.
What do you see in terms of the infrastructure that has, that makes the Hunter Biden $50,000 a month story like the end?
of the world, but Jared Kushner getting billions and negotiating on in negotiations on behalf of his
third party, essentially, what it looks like, right?
Like, how is it that those two things, the Biden stuff got much more ink?
Yeah, well, I think it's things.
First of all, I think there is just a literal reality that we are in.
information silos. And, you know, the news that you see is different from the news that a die
hard Trump supporting MAGA person might see. So, you know, you can go to FoxNews.com right now
and look at what the splash page is and go to the New York Times.com right now and look at what the
splash pages. And they are very different. And there's very different audiences consuming the two news
outlets. So something I heard from a lot of my readers, I have a pretty politically diverse
leadership. And something I heard from a lot of them was I didn't know 90% of this stuff or I hadn't
heard about all these stories or seeing all of this together is kind of a shocking and
disorienting experience because I trust you and I think that you're being honest about this,
but this is the first time I've heard about, you know, the Trump mobile phone or the deal
that Kushner struck with the Saudis in 2022. I mean, these are stories that I think some people just
aren't seeing. The second thing is that I think there is a core kind of ideology or underpinning
attitude that exists for a lot of the people who board the president, which is they believe
the system is broken and corrupt already, and they think that Trump came into office to kind
of roll a grenade in the room and blow the whole thing up. And they support that. I mean,
that's part of the appeal for the country for Trump. So when they see,
him doing things that maybe they believe other
people see swampy politicians are doing,
the reaction is more like Trump's just playing the game
and he's doing it way bigger and better than these other people
and less like, oh my God, we're looking at an administration
that is crossing new boundaries of corruption and self-dealing.
So like I said, there's a little bit of nihilism there,
and I think some of that is just a core part of what's in the bloodstream
of the support for Trump,
is that the system has always been broken and corrupted
and always screwing over a lot of Americans.
And so there's just kind of like,
of course, this is what he's doing.
So even when it breaks through,
that tends to be the reaction.
And that's kind of been what I've seen
and my experience reporting on this.
I don't want to harp on this because,
and I think like the second part really resonates
because it seemed like everybody knew about Biden,
about Hunter Biden, right?
Like, and I definitely believe that, you know, there are folks who follow Trump and on the right who are more sequestered.
But the Biden stuff seemed to break out, you know, Jake Tapper's going to talk about that extensively, for instance.
But they're not like the, the, the, the, the, the, just the world of finance.
financial. World liberty. Like, you hear side mentions of it, but like they could do a six week.
Maybe it's maybe it's just also a function of like hearings, but we didn't, it's not like we had,
I guess maybe in the second term of the second half of the Biden administration. That's really what
it was, was that there was congressional hearings. But I don't know. I'm just fascinated by that aspect
of it. And I think that Trump's core base.
The nihilism you speak to, the idea that, like, well, he's, he's, he's taking from our enemies on some level.
And he's, he's our, you know, he's our guy.
So he's doing this on, on, on our behalf.
But let's let's go through some of these things.
You start with world liberty financial, because this could be just on a dollar basis, the biggest scam.
or scam.
I mean, like, it's so massive.
Well, let's start with that.
And then, you know, I want to make sure that we don't forget about the Syrian billionaire story that just sort of like, that was just sort of an afterthought.
But go ahead with the world, world liberty financial.
Yeah, sure.
So the cryptocurrency to me is kind of the biggest story of the Trump administration.
It's the most novel thing.
It's the one that I led my piece with.
which is that the Trump family in 2024 launched a cryptocurrency firm called World Liberty Financial.
And by December of 2025, they'd profited about a billion dollars from proceeds and held
another $3 billion in unsold cryptocurrency tokens.
This is a fortune that is larger than the entire Trump family real estate portfolio.
So the very thing that made Trump famous, his sort of acumen, as, you know, his supporters would put it,
as a real developer, proof that he is this brilliant businessman.
That fortune was exceeded in just what he's done in cryptocurrency
since he got reelected.
And the same time that he is running this crypto firm
where he's like on board and the sons are participating in it and they're raising money,
he's also cutting crypto regulation.
He's making decisions about crypto regulation.
He's pushing to sort of quote unquote unleash,
the industry. He's doubting the potential of digital currencies to help the U.S. economy.
He's also launching his own cryptocurrency coins. So, you know, in this space, they're kind of called
shit coins because they don't actually have any value. They're based solely on social hype,
the kind of momentum that they get from being a funny joke. You know, you might remember
there were like doge coins and things like that. And Trump basically launched a coin with his name.
and then hyped it up, promoted it as a presidential candidate, and then as a president,
and then the value of the coin skyrocketed, and then he sold a bunch of the crypto coin,
devaluing it.
So all the people who invested lost a bunch of money while he ran away with a bunch of money
sold off of a huge profit.
And it wasn't just him.
Melania Trump launched his own crypto coin as well, this kind of coin.
And they're making money hand over fist using the white.
house to host dinners for people who are the biggest holds of the coin world liberty financial
is taking investments from all manner of kind of shady characters i think the most famous one is
just and son who yeah hold on before we get to justin sun and before we get to the actual dollars uh
i i said we're going to just take a quick break uh because we're getting your mic is cutting in and
out for us we're going to take quick break and fix that we'll be right back after this okay we're
back sam cedar emma vigland we're talking to
to Isaac Saul, he's a politics reporter and founder of Tangled News.
He's written sort of like, as far as I can tell, the most comprehensive to date litany
of the president's self-dealing in corruption.
We should say, and you wrote about this in the subsequent piece, there was a whole lot
of like sort of like garden variety corruption that you didn't even get to because of the nature
of just how big and extensive the corruption was.
And we were talking about World Liberty Financial, which is his crypto company, not to be confused
with his actual meme coin.
And you were just about to get into how the crypto company was sort of like a, maybe a laundering
facility in some instances for a bribe.
and payoffs and whatnot.
And he is being sued by Justin's son, who is a crypto billionaire, who's being investigated
for fraud.
It seemed like Son got the pardon, right?
Was it the pardon?
Or just got the investigation ended and then turn around and sued Trump for extortion,
which there's kind of these two remarkable stories related to World Liberty Financial.
and thank you. I appreciate your patience with my tech stuff. The first is, yes, this Justin's
story, he was being investigated by the SEC, so he's got the government kind of kicking
his door in. He's being accused of a manner of shady things. And he gives an investment to
World Liberty Financial. It's a massive $75 million investment by buying the World Liberty Financial
crypto coin. And then magically after he puts the $75 million up, the SEC investigation comes to this
sort of settlement where he pays, I think something like $10 million. He was facing hundreds of
billions of dollars to potential penalties. So it's a huge relief for him. And then he gets
involved in World Liberty Financial. He kind of comes on. He gets the investigation drops.
He joins the team. And after a few months of working at World Liberty Financial, he's now turned around
and sued them, alleging that they're not letting him sell any of the crypto coin that he holds
through World Liberty Financial, so they've basically frozen his assets, and that they were trying
to pressure him into buying the stable coin that Trump wanted to launch through World Liberty
Financial. And it's turned into this huge mess with the Trump administration. And my piece, I said that,
you know, it's kind of hard to identify the villain here. There's just so much sort of ugly, slimy
stuff happening here, just like the worst of the worst sort of exchanging money for dropping
investigations coming in and then everybody's trying to screw everybody over and leverage each other.
And now he's ended up again without this SEC investigation, but also suing the Trump
administration. And the other thing that was remarkable that happened with the World Liberty
Financial Group was that they hired two people or partnered with two people to work on
this crypto venture who had been sanctioned by Trump's government for running a
transnational criminal group. So the Trump administration sanctions a group of transnational cybercriminals.
And a month later, World Liberty Financial being run by the Trump family actually partners with two of the
people who were sanctioned by the Trump administration. And just like this is the kind of company they're
keeping. And it's a sort of thing that would ban a congressional investigation, I think, if Democrats
had one chamber or if there were enough Republicans to stand up and say, this is a sort of thing.
something we should bring people before Congress to testify about. It's like catch me if I can,
right? Where they hire the, where the FBI hires the, that's the Trump administration.
Yeah. All right. Let's, we got the Trump meme coin thing, which I think people sort of understand
because, like, there were podcasters who were doing this where they would just hype up their
meme coin and they would sort of like do a pump and dump type of scheme. Yeah, it's, you know,
people in the industry called a rug pull, and it's basically just you create this mean
mind that has no intrinsic value, there's no use for it. There's nothing about it. That should be
profitable. But if you're one of the early people who gets in and buys the mean coin, and then there's a
bunch of hype and this kind of social contagion effect and more people buy it, that drives the price
of it up. But the people who are sort of on the ground floor, the original people, can single their
huge holdings of the coin at any time. And when they do that,
losing those people devalues the coin because it has, again, no inherent value other than how many people are buying it.
And so what Trump did was he launched the Trump coin leading up to the inauguration after he got elected.
There was all this hype about it.
You know, he's posting on his Twitter account about how he's going to host dinners with the people who are the top holders of the coin.
So now you can buy millions of dollars of the coin in order to get access and one-on-one or an in-person dinner with the president.
him. So all these people do that, pay, pay, pay, pay. And then at some point, there's a huge
whale exit from the coin, which is Trump selling a bunch of his profits, devaluing the coin.
And so it's lost something like 97% of its value from its peak, which means that if you were
one of the Trump supporters who follows the president on Truth Social, and you see him say,
go buy Trump, we're going to make you rich, whatever, and you give him $5,000 sometime in the week
that the price peaked, you now have something like $50 of that $5,000 that's left over.
And he probably walked away with $4,900 of that.
Right.
I mean, what the Financial Times did probably the most thorough reporting on this, and they
ballparked that Trump was profiting something like $200, $250 million just from the meme coin alone,
just from the structure of the coin, how he launched it, how much was bought, what the exit looked like,
how he sold.
I mean, again, you know, this is, financial time is like a pretty reputable news source whose
investigative reporting is like right in the strike zone of this kind of thing.
And they sort of laid out how they made the calculations and how they came to that.
And, you know, it's one story that occupies a whole paragraph in my 6,000 word piece on this,
just to paint you a picture of how many.
different things in this story and how many different stories like this we've witnessed just in the
first 15 months of the Trump presidency? We're still having a little bit trouble with your mic so but
let me just ask you this. If I were to do that, I'm not suggesting I'm going to flowing up,
but if I was to do that thing with the meme coin, would I go to jail?
Yeah, I think there's a pretty good chance that if you did something like that with the
meme coin, you would end up standing before a jury and probably facing some pretty serious fines.
I mean, again, there are people like this all over the world who are being charged for crimes
that involves scamming people out of, you know, their money in cryptocurrency schemes that look
pretty similar to this. Now, look, there are people, the people who buy this stuff have some
responsibility. I don't want to just pretend like, you know, there are ways to do this that are legal.
who have the responsibility
to make a decision to invest in this.
But like our standard
should not be,
oh, these people are so stupid
they got scanned.
It would be the president
of the United States
is participating in a scheme
where he's knowingly ripping off
a bunch of his supporters.
Of course.
If I was to do that,
I wouldn't,
my defense wouldn't be,
I'm sorry.
The people who listen to the show
are just idiots.
And,
you know,
let me get away with it.
And so why wouldn't I do that?
All right,
well, let's just,
I just want to go through a list.
I want to encourage people.
We'll obviously link
to your piece and and and have but this is the list that I just sort of derived from uh what you've
written and I I doubt I got everything but um we've got uh all the the world liberty financial
the Trump meme coin the sort of double dealing with the UAE and I mean like there's all sort of
like side side there's not one scam associated with one scam there seems to be like multiple
angles off of the
multiple scams. Kushner's
affinity partners, private
equity firm, they're raising billions of dollars
from people that he seems
to be representing in the Iran
U.S. talks
and neither one
neither the U.S. nor the Iran
are the ones giving him
that money. But the UAE
and the Qatar
with the plane, there all seems to be
some type of side deals. Like I'm convinced
the Iran war
was as much
some interest
some entity was going to pay
Trump in some fashion
in some manner
and was like
encouraging him you should do this with Iran
they may have undersold what the
excursion was going to be
but that he's
he is personally benefiting
it from in some way
the other is Trump mobile phone
we have a video of this we will play
it in a bit
that is just a pure like we are developing a phone it's going to be american made it's going to be
gold laminated and give us a hundred dollars and it's a deposit but it's no guarantee that we're
actually going to make it it was sort of like kick starter but less like less um i don't know
constraints on what they could just do they just basically collected hundreds of thousands
of dollars, maybe millions of dollars on the Trump phone, and it just seems like it's not going to
happen.
What was it?
The drone company that his sons have bought into that are now gotten a big contract from
the Pentagon.
What else do I got here?
I mean, it goes on to.
Just to put a pin in that one, too, again, we spent four years talking about Hunter in his $50,000
a month Burisma bird position that he had.
when Vice President Biden was Vice President,
and then the potential that he was maybe setting up
some post-Vice presidency business arrangements
for Joe Biden to make some money off of and cut him into.
The Trump sons are getting $24 million contracts
from the Pentagon in companies they're invested in
that are selling things like drones
and stuff for war directly to the Department of Defense.
I mean, that story alone,
again, one sentence in my entire article is the kind of thing that could have been a months or
years long scandal in an era that we lived in two or three years ago that we all seem to have
just moved on from. I guarantee you, if we have a Democratic president, we will return to that
era within weeks. One hundred percent guaranteed. The IRS, or I should say the DOJ is now contemplating
settling in Donald Trump's $10 billion lawsuit against the IRS.
And the guy in charge of deciding whether or not they're going to settle and give Trump
maybe even 10 cents on the dollar, which would be a billion dollars, is Donald Trump's
former defense attorney.
Literally, probably a guy that Trump owes money to is going to decide how much money the U.S.
government gives to Donald Trump.
The
bribes around the
inauguration, the bribes around
pardons, like it seems to be an open
secret that
it costs like one to one point
$5 million to get a pardon.
Yeah, the
part economy,
as I think it's been rightly described,
is one of the more
grotesque things to me,
specifically because when Trump ran
in 2016 on kind of draining the
swamp and addressing the sort of grossness of what we often witness in Washington, D.C.
I was sitting on my couch, nodding my head, agreeing with him.
I mean, a lot of the stuff he said in that 2016 campaign was true about some of the sliminess
of the politicians that we've all sort of had to tolerate.
Now he's in office, and he's pardoned more than half of all the Republicans who have been
not accused, but convicted of federal crimes in the 20th.
first century.
Former Republican members of Congress who do things like steal money from their donors,
commit Medicare fraud, steal money from the town coffers that they're the mayor of.
He's literally just going around, giving out pardoned in some cases, wiping clean the restitution
that these people owe their victims.
So there are these instances where the fraudsters owe hundreds of millions of dollars to the
people they've defrauded.
and in the process of pardoning them,
Trump is also wiping out that restitution
so those victims don't actually see the money
that they're owed for the scheme that they were a victim of.
And he's just doing this left and right.
And yes, to your point,
the way that we understand how it works
from there's been a lot of great reporting about this
from Axi, the New Yorker, New York Times,
Wall Street Journal,
is essentially that people pay somebody close to the president,
sometimes millions of dollars,
to bring their pardon case
to the president, basically sit down with him and say, I think you should give this person a pardon
and sign this piece of paper, and he's doing it. And we know he's doing it because sometimes
he gets asked about these part and he'll say things like, I don't even know the guy. I just
he was a huge supporter and they mistreated him. And so it feels like he deserved to get out of prison
or get his, you know, his record wipe cleaned. And it's just happening at a clip that's literally
hard to keep up with it. Well, we will put a link to your piece at Tangling.
news and I can't encourage people enough to send it around. It's going to need to be updated
on a fairly regular basis, is my suspicion. And it really is stunning to see it all in one location.
And I think it's great work. Obviously, a lot of work went into it. Isaac Saul, Paul
reporter, founder of Tangle News, the pieces, the everywhere, the everything everywhere, all at once,
corruption story. I'm pleading with you to look at the president's self-dealing.
Very important to, and frankly, in the event that the Democrats take the House, a primer,
for what I hope will be a series of congressional hearings ongoing for the next two years straight.
Isaac, Sall, thanks so much for your time. I really appreciate it.
Yeah, thank you guys for having me.
appreciate the patience with my my tech issues and hope to do it again sometime no worries uh we
we have been there many many times uh appreciate your time all right folks uh that's it for us today
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I get distracted
because we put that video up about the Trump phone.
The Trump phone is amazing.
It is amazing. Like if you've ever
ever, and we'll play this video in the fun half,
If you have ever got something on, it's Kickstarter, and what's the other one?
Indiegogo or something like that.
GoFundMe?
No, not GoFundMe.
Like Indiegogo.
This is like where they have like these great inventions.
And, you know, in the fine print, it's like, this is not a promise that you're actually going to build this.
And so, you know, sometimes you're like, oh, I'm going to get the, I mean, I've gotten some good stuff off of there.
Like a trash can that opens up like this.
We can talk about that later.
But, you know, sometimes you're like, oh, I'm going to get this electronic thing.
It looks like it's so cool, whatnot.
And then you just see, you know what?
What was it?
It was like a, maybe it was a bike helmet, like a specific bike helmet.
And it's never, you can't tell.
Is this a scam?
Or did they really have production problems with the factory and the plastic?
And you see all the comments.
That's exactly what this Trump phone thing is, except for there's no comment section.
there's nobody to complain to.
It's just like one random dude on Instagram gets on, you know,
in his F-150 with his sunglasses and his mad.
Pretty sure Tesla's doing the same thing with something, too, aren't they?
Oh, they definitely do it with the,
they did it with their solar shingles.
Yes.
I knew people, 100 bucks, you get the, like,
I'm going to be on the list for solar shingles.
What?
Whatever happened.
Nope.
Yeah.
Haven't they done that with waiting lists for cars as well?
I mean,
Tesla literally had.
Tesla fanboys
deliver cars off the
production line to people who bought
them for free. People
volunteered to drive.
Well, that's okay.
But take the money and say that you're actually
like on a list for
solar things.
They didn't get paid. They're just Elon fan boys.
They did it because they love the technology.
Oh.
Oh, poor boys.
Mad boys. Yeah,
it was all men.
And no, I didn't check.
I didn't say men.
Yeah, right.
What's happening in the Matt Leckian media universe?
Yeah, we had a Florida-focused show yesterday with Thomas Kennedy, who's an immigration rights advocate
and writer down there talking about the collapsing economy, the hole that the alligator
Alcatraz is driving into the Florida state budget and who they can blame because Democrats
haven't had power in that state for a very long time.
So check that out.
Patreon.com slash left reckoning to get the Sunday show.
Folks, see you in the fun half.
Jamie and I may have a disagreement.
Yeah, you can't just say whatever you want about people
just because you're rich.
I have an absolute right to mock them on YouTube.
He's up their buggy whipping like he's the boss.
I am not your employer.
You know, I'm tired of the negativity.
I'm sorry.
I didn't mean to upset you.
You're nervous.
You're a little bit upset.
You're riled up.
Yeah.
Maybe you should rethink your defense of that.
fucking idiots. We're just going to get rid of you.
All right. But dude.
Dude. Dude. Dude. Dude.
You want to smoke this joint?
Yes.
Do you feel like you are a dinosaur?
It's a good shit.
Exactly. I'm happy now. It's a win, win, win. It's a win, win, win.
Uh, hell yeah. Now listen to me.
Two, three, four, five times. Eight, four, seven, nine, six, five-o-one.
457,
238,
56, 27,
1 half,
58s,
3.9 billion.
Wow.
He's the ultimate math,
third.
Don't you see?
Why don't you get a real job
instead of
stealing vitriol and hatred
you left wing limb off?
Everybody's taking their dumb juice today.
Come on, Sammy.
Dance, dance, dance.
Ooh.
My first post-coital scene
with a woman.
I'm hoping got more moves to my repertoire.
All I have is the dip in the swirl.
Fine, we can
double-diff.
Yes, this is a perfect moment.
No.
Wait, what?
You make under a million dollars to do you.
You're scum.
You're not paying.
Excuse me?
Fuck you.
You fucking liberal elite.
I think you belong in jail.
Thank you for saying that, Sam.
You're a horrible, despicable person.
All right, going to take a quick break.
I want to take a moment to talk to some of the libertarians out there.
Take whatever vehicle you want to drive to the library.
What you're talking about is jibber jabs.
Classic.
I'm feeling more chill already.
Donald Trump can kiss all of our asses.
Hey, Sam. Hey, Andy.
Are you guys ready to do some evil?
Hitler was such an idiot.
You think I might be a Nazi.
Agree.
No.
Death to America.
You.
Yes.
Wow.
Wow, that's weird.
No way.
Unbelievable.
This guy's got a really good hook.
Throw her hands.
Ooh.
But Sam, I've got to get off.
No worries.
I want to just flesh this out a little bit.
I mean, look, it's a free speech issue.
If you don't like me...
Hey, hey, hey, hey, shut up.
Thank you for calling into the majority report.
Sam will be with you shortly.
