The Majority Report with Sam Seder - 3648 - Wrestling with Ice; Short Circuiting AI Data Center w/ Leo Martinez, Gabi Finlayson

Episode Date: May 20, 2026

It's Hump Day on The Majority Report On today's program: Chris Rabb wins the Democratic primary in Pennsylvania's 3rd Congressional district. Since there is no Republican running in the general, Rabb is all but guaranteed to be the new Representative of the bluest district in the country. Thomas Massie loses his primary to Trump-backed challenger Ed Gallrein.  Leo Martinez, community organizer and founder of the ICE watchdog group, VC Defensa, joins the show to discuss DHS raiding his house last week. If you live in Southern California, call or text 805-296-1119 to sign up for alerts on ICE activity in the area. Also, if you're in the market for a new skate deck, consider picking one up from Leo's shop - StashBxx. And if you spot ICE Gabi Finlayson, senior partner at Elevate Strategies, joins MR to discuss a Kevin O'Leary funded proposed data center that would be the largest in the country. Gabi's organizing against this data center has led Mr. Wonderful to accuse her of being a Chinese asset. To support Utahns in their fight against this environmentally, financially and occupationally disastrous data center consider picking up a "Utah Nature Security" hat which mocks O'Leary's hat he has been wearing of late. In the Fun Half: Charles Booker wins the Kentucky Democratic primary for U.S. Senate. John from San Antonio calls in to provide some data regarding upcoming elections. Donald Trump and Ashley St. Clair both imply that Elon Musk had some sort of sketchy dealings with voting machines amidst the 2024 presidential election. Rep. Sara Jacobs speaks to Mehdi Hasan about how the Biden administration had an opportunity to potentially stop the genocide in Sudan, but it would've interfered with the genocide in Gaza. Call these New York politicians to let them know that their constituent, Rosa Martinez, has been kidnapped in international: waters by Israeli forces Nadia Velazquez [phone] Kirsten Gillibrand [phone] Chuck Schumer [phone] All that and more. To connect and organize with your local ICE rapid response team visit ICERRT.com The Congress switchboard number is [phone]. You can use this number to connect with either the U.S. Senate or the House of Representatives. Follow us on TikTok here: https://www.tiktok.com/@majorityreportfm Check us out on Twitch here: https://www.twitch.tv/themajorityreport Find our Rumble stream here: https://rumble.com/user/majorityreport Check out our alt YouTube channel here: https://www.youtube.com/majorityreportlive Gift a Majority Report subscription here: https://fans.fm/majority/gift Subscribe to the AMQuickie newsletter here: https://am-quickie.ghost.io/ Join the Majority Report Discord! https://majoritydiscord.com/ Get all your MR merch at our store: https://shop.majorityreportradio.com/ Get the free Majority Report App!: https://majority.fm/app Go to https://JustCoffee.coop and use coupon code majority to get 10% off your purchase Check out today's sponsors: ZOCDOC: Go to Zocdoc.com/MAJORITY and download the Zocdoc app to sign-up for FREE and book a top-rated doctor. SUNSET LAKE CBD: Starting today, you can save 35% on your favorite CBD Oil Tinctures with the coupon code Memorial26 at SunsetLakeCBD.com Follow the Majority Report crew on Twitter: @SamSeder @EmmaVigeland @MattLech On Instagram: @MrBryanVokey Check out Matt's show, Left Reckoning, on YouTube, and subscribe on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/leftreckoning Check out Matt Binder's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/mattbinder Subscribe to Brandon's show The Discourse on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/ExpandTheDiscourse Check out Ava Raiza's music here! https://avaraiza.bandcamp.

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We are broadcasting live steps from the industrially ravaged Gowanus Canal in the heartland of America, downtown Brooklyn, USA. On the program today, Leo Martinez, community organizer in Ventura County, member, one of the founders of VC Defense, an ICE watchdog immigrant rights group, was just raided by the feds last week. then Gabby Finlinson and Jackie Morgan, the senior partners that elevate strategies who Mr. Wonderful claimed were Chinese cutouts to stop a massive AI data center in Utah. There's no other reason to resist it.

No. Meanwhile, in Pennsylvania, Chris Robb, all but becomes the next DSA member to make it to Congress. And a stunning win. The primaries last night in Pennsylvania, primaries in Kentucky, Massey loses to Trump's Republican geriatric army. And Georgia, despite a very good Democratic turnout,

Democrats in Georgia failed to take Supreme Court seats. Meanwhile, Trump's fake IRS settlement now adds tax cheating immunity to all of Trump and his family on top of a nearly $2 billion lush fund. It's funny but not funny and funny. Trump endorses Ken Paxton and the Texas Republican Senate primary. Meanwhile, back in Washington, the Senate advances the war powers resolution. in the wake of Bill Cassidy's primary loss, he has apparently found Jesus. Foreign governments dump U.S. treasuries leading to rates north of 5%. That's usually when Trump totally tacos.

And a U.S. District judge rules ICE can no longer arrest immigrants in New York immigration courts. All this much, much more on today's. Majority Report. Welcome, ladies and gentlemen. It is Humpty, as Emma Vigland would say, then I've got to say, because she's out today. That's weird.

It's those contract obligations that rolling... She's only allowed to work like one day a week, essentially now. That's the... That's basically... She won't be in Friday. But she will be here tomorrow.

So big night last night in the primaries. As you know, we had Chris Rob on this program. I don't know, about a month ago or so. And he was one of like the bloggers from Days of Yore. And has since been a state senator. He was, he is a DSA member. He was also endorsed by the WFP. I mean, all of AOC endorsed him and went down there.

and campaigned for him. Josh Shapiro working in the background, apparently against him. But the establishment forces really sort of messed up. They originally wanted this doctor. Her name is Alana, with Sanford. And then the sort of the bottom fell out of her campaign about three or four weeks ago.

And they freaked out, in part because she gave a really horrible answer about what was happening in terms of Gaza. A-PAC money started playing in there. And I think it was, I don't know it was the drop site or the lever. There was a reporting that showed that a lot of her money was actually coming from APAC sources, as it were. People who were supporting her because they perceived her as a vote to protect Israel. And her campaign just bottomed out. And then you'll recall, I think the other day we played a clip of Cory Booker who never gets involved in elections that aren't New Jersey. I'm focused on New Jersey.

He's focused on New Jersey. So you have time to get involved with the New York City mayorality. like that impacts New Jersey. But apparently, what is it, the third district in Pennsylvania? That really impacts him in New Jersey. And so he was down there supporting Shreve Street, who it turns out like has some like,

was found to have negotiated with Republicans to allow them to gerrymander back in maybe 2022, who I feel like this was, or maybe earlier, as long as they protected his seat so they could get rid of other Democratic seats. And in the end, Chris Rob won with about 45% of the vote out of a race of three. And so likely had one of those two dropped out, you would have gotten over 50% of the vote, it appears now. And this is the bluest district in the country. And this is what's also really important about this.

In the bluest district of the country, you should have someone who represents, at least, you know, from an electoral standpoint, from the perception of the body politic, someone who should be like completely in line with progressive values like there should be no daylight here at all tomato pace concentrated and um you know the reality is is that i don't think i i don't know for sure but my guess would be that you could take nine out of ten of his positions maybe 10 out of 10 but let's just say nine out of 10 and put them again

against polling for just Democrats, just like mainstream Democrats, and maybe even independence. And I don't think there's a single position he holds that doesn't have majority support. Again, maybe it's nine out of ten. But here he is last night celebrating, you get a notion of the excitement in Pennsylvania. I believe that we just won. I believe that we just won. I believe that we just won. So pretty exciting.

Great news. All but guaranteed to be a sitting congressperson come the fall. And there was other wins in Pennsylvania. Brooks in Pennsylvania 7th was both Josh Shapiro and Bernie Sanders. choice to win in that primary. The WFP did pretty good in the House districts in Pennsylvania. So good news all around there in Kentucky to the extent that it matters and was sort of unproductive

Thomas Massey lost his his primary to Navy SEAL Ed Gallarin. Let's look, let's go to the Massey. This is number four. This is Thomas Massey.

Thanking his team in concession speech at his headquarters. I want to start by thanking the volunteers who have put so much effort into this. Some of you came from all across the country.

Some of your homegrown. I love all of you. All right. And let's cut to Gowleran's victory party. And, you know, people are starting to like question online. How do we explain this? This is a Gowleron's victory party. It looks like a busy Starbucks.

That's literally his victory. party. I could probably count. I have like no friends left at this age, and I think I could do this for a birthday party. I could pull these numbers. Massey won. Every age group put this up under the age of 65 in this district in Kentucky, and yet still lost by, what was it, a 10%? It was 10,000 votes.

9.9%. Yeah. And, you know, he lost 65 to 35 on 65 and over. And that carried that district. So now there's a lot of people with conspiracy theories online, et cetera, et cetera. Look, the bottom line is the Republican Party is an older party. it also, in terms of like voting, it also, Massey represents the entire elected anti-war contingency in the Republican Party.

They just lost it. And I mean like broadly speaking anti-war. It's not like the Democratic Party, I would say net net. is an anti-war party. They're not. I just make an observation that they might be anti-war, but in the sense of the one that happened in 1865,

because if you do the math on 65 plus and say, when did somebody who's 65, when were they born? It was 1960. So everyone born basically under Jim Crow. That's who went goring, and then lesser extent, everyone after that. Right. Although I'm not sure that given the opportunity of a,

a pro-war Massey in a pro-war gallery and that it would have been very different. Oh, yeah, I don't think they're in terms of... My suggestion is that, you know, Massey's not exactly the most anti-1865. He's not exactly... Let's be clear. This type of libertarianism is as viriantly pro-Confederacy as anything else. I mean, American libertarianism is essentially neo-Confederacy. That part of the party is shared across all of their ideological chasms.

Massey had a very good quote a couple years ago where he thought like there was a libertarian strain in the Republican Party because he and Grand Paul and one or two others got elected. And he came to realize after Donald Trump's assent, yeah, here it is. time Massey explained. I thought they were voting for libertarian Republicans, but after some soul searching, I realized when they voted for Rand and Ron and me in these primaries, he's talking about Ron Paul, I guess.

They weren't voting for libertarian ideas. They were voting for the craziest son of a bitch in the race. And Donald Trump won best in class as we had until he came along. There is a sense of like, if I shake things up, I can justify.

I mean, it really is in many respects, the reactionary mind, the purest of the reactionary mind. the purest of the reactionary mind. The idea is that I am such an iconoclast that I'm bringing back what existed 100 years ago. I'm such a revolutionary that we're returning to when we had a more explicit hierarchy in this country. But nevertheless, Massey's out. However, he has vowed to make the next seven months rather difficult for Donald Trump. We see the same thing with Bill Cassidy.

suddenly the war powers resolution this week makes more sense than it did a week and a half ago when the Senate shot it down and he voted against it the the Republican Party is Donald Trump's party I also suspect frankly that anybody who thinks that there's going to be some type of change in the Republican Party with the absence of Donald Trump, I think there's going to be some marginal, but understand too, that is that when you see people bucking Donald Trump, it's resent, their own personal fortunes resent that's coming out. Not necessarily some type of like newfound understanding of principle.

But that's where we're at in the, In Georgia, good turnout. Democratic Party did a very bad job of communicating which Supreme Court justices people should vote for. Organizing has to take place on the ground there in Georgia. But that's where we're at. We will have more to say on the numbers maybe later this week as we get a little more information. In a moment, we're going to be talking to Leo Martinez. he is a member, and I think one of the founding members of Ventura County Defense and ICE Watchdog Group,

and he was just literally, feds busted open his door at 3 a.m. last week to arrest him and search his stuff. I think they confiscated his skateboard. Oh, VC defense, sorry. And then we're going to be talking to Gabby Finlinson and Jackie. Morgan, two activists who had been fighting against the massive data center backed by Mr. Wonderful from Canada and the shark tank. And he docks them, essentially, because he wanted to out them as Chinese surrogates or spies. It's like the Americans. First, a word from our sponsor today. Have you ever had that feeling you walk out of a doctor's office?

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and one of the four co-founders of VC Defensa, which is an ICE watchdog group. And Leo, my understanding is you started this group right before inauguration, like in the buildup, right after the election to Donald Trump. Tell us about that. Yeah, we were having conversations, me and for other folks, were having conversations during the campaign because Democrats and Republicans were running on

escalating ice and deportation. So we knew whichever way it was going to swing, it wasn't going to make a difference on the ground. Maybe it'd be more open than it would be. But also a lot of us had experience with the first Trump administration and me personally, the first time that I got into a lot of the immigrant defense stuff was during the Obama era when they were doing a lot of checkpoints and picking people up from the county jails and targeting communities that way. And so what did you do differently this time? I mean, just give me a sense of like how you went about organizing it, how the goals were different. I mean, obviously, Obama deported record-breaking deportations during his eight years.

What did you guys decide to do differently this time? Well, the good thing is the first two times we got a lot of the problem solving the troubleshooting out of the way. So this time around, it was so much easier because of the genocide in Gaza that had, for a whole year prior, just created a whole bunch of support on the ground from young kids to just everybody was outraged and had nothing to put their energy into. So when we were able to present a project that people in their neighborhoods could directly get involved in, that was going to make the situation not only better, but they would be able to form a defense line. and be able to get a lot of that anger and frustration out. I think it was kind of like a no-brainer.

Our first meeting for a volunteer callout had hundreds of people. Same thing with the workshops that we initially started with. So it was a very, very, we didn't have to worry so much about the recruitment. It was more the logistics of. When was that recruitment? I mean, because that's fascinating, I think, and a great lesson for people to understand that when we talk about people seeing, the level of injustice with Gaza, that that's not a self-contained silo, that it raises people's

awareness and sensitivities and a sense of injustice across the board. Yeah. And even then, before that, it was snowballing from the George Floyd protest. It had snowballed from the no dapple. It had snowballed from so much, just like you guys had seen your support, your support girl in the last few years, too. Shout out to fucking long live Michael Brooks. But this was something that had built a community that didn't have anywhere to put that energy.

So for a lot of us, it was a lot of logistical and practical stuff on the ground. It's like, all right, we have a hotline that we need to spread, and we need this to be in knock on every door. We need every neighbor and every small business in the area that tends to our community to be there. If you don't speak Spanish, which at first it was a lot of white folks that didn't speak Spanish that wanted to be volunteers. and it was a little bit of a struggle in the beginning and be like, what are we going to do with these folks? But immediately those were the folks that were able to hit all the small businesses. They were able to go to all the school districts and talk to teachers,

people on the ground there. They were able to pull funding down. So we really prided ourselves from the beginning. Sorry, excuse me, on being able to find something that everybody could do that wanted to be a part of this project. So now it's swelled into, we have a contingency of 90 medical professionals that are like nurses, people's transporters, surgeons,

doctors that work at medical facilities across the county that are already volunteers. So they started pulling resources together so they could do house visits. They got their malpractice insurance. We have the same thing in contingency of like 60 to 70 education professionals, teachers, para educators that form a thing there that they're doing like after school tutoring program. So it's more of a community project as opposed to just an ice focused thing, right?

That's interesting. And so, like, how do you, so if there's a situation, I'm just curious from a logistic standpoint, because I think this can be very, very instructive to people. You've been incredibly successful with this stuff. And then I want to talk about how much you've upset a certain contented cohorts. But the idea, so I imagine, you know, and I'm thinking in terms of like, you know, a place where there is a really strong surge of ice or like an on. going one in different areas. There may be kids who don't go to school for an extended period of time. And so you guys like we'll put out, you've got that list of 60 teachers, you'll put out,

we need tutoring services for this family, that family. I imagine you're careful about like putting addresses in and stuff like that. I mean, just give us a sense to the extent you can because I imagine, you know, there's going to be people watching this. who are going to want to try and get as much information as possible, both because they want to replicate it and because they want to stop it. No, and I hope so. And that's really why we do so much press is really what I want is other people across the country to kind of take anything in our blueprint that they feel is valuable to be able to implement. So, for example, let's say we're starting from scratch from the beginning.

If ICE hits a neighborhood, which usually they hit an apartment complex, usually it's densely packed apartment complexes that have undocumented folks in them. If they hit that neighborhood on one day, we're there that same afternoon. knocking on every single door, making sure everybody has our hotline number, but also more importantly and above all, we're getting everybody in a group chat. Everybody from that apartment complex gets in a group chat. I know people talk about like, oh, you should be on signal. You should get off of what's at, but also undocumented folks are used to WhatsApp. They already know what's up. We have to go to where people are at to work within those limitations.

Nobody's going to download signal just to get our notifications and alerts, right? That was like a huge thing that a lot of people complain about. It's like, I don't give a fuck. I need people to have the info. So we do that. And through that group chat, we drop update videos. We do a lot of the, especially when, like you said, when ice hits, people don't want to send their kids to school. People don't want to go out.

So if they're not going out, the only places they're getting information from is from their phone. So we need to be as practical as possible with the things that we put out there and localize it as much as possible. Like, these are the cars to look out for. If you know somebody that was detained, get a hold of us so that we could put resources behind the family and make sure that we cover all their bases. and that group ends up swelling into that immediate response team on the ground, because when you have undocumented neighborhoods, you have a lot of people with citizenship status, whether it be the older kids,

whether it be the partners, the spouses, the siblings sometimes. So they'll take on the responsibility of patrolling in the mornings as well as us having our team of patrollers to go through all the different cities that are from those cities and from those counties. So even though it's a top-down organization, we empower so much on the ground that our goal, is to never be necessary. Our goal is to be a resource. Our goal is to be a

backup. Our goal is to kind of work out the logistics and present what's worked in other neighborhoods, but really it's the people on the ground that are the ones doing the work and the ones that are quickest to respond and back and support each other up. So you guys are sort of... In undocumented

communities, yeah, go ahead. You guys are sort of jump starting in some ways, like just neighborhood groups. And, and is that as a as a best practices does ice tend to come back the second day like if they're interested in an area do they come back the second day or like or or later i mean is that is that the way they operate or do they try and mix that up or what they'll leave it alone for a few months they

do have a tendency to want to get the easiest arrest possible so if they show up in a neighborhood and they get kicked out once twice in a row, they're not coming back to that neighborhood for a few months. They'll try again in a few months. And usually what we'll see is, like, for example, In Venture County, Oxnard is the biggest city. If they get kicked out of Oxnard twice, they won't come back to Oxnard for at least two weeks.

Maybe try and hit in a different spot, three weeks in a different spot, but the next days or the next few days, maybe it'll take a few days off, but they'll try and go hit one of the smaller towns in the county. So we kind of have this, it's not necessarily a pattern, but it's kind of a habit that they have,

of trying to get the easiest arrest possible. They do not like to be exposed in neighborhoods, which is crazy because when we say we kick them out of neighborhoods, we don't touch them, we don't block them in, we don't threaten them. We literally just let neighbors know that they're there and make as much noise as possible. And they leave the vast majority of the times

if we get them early enough. I'm old enough to remember that they were trying to get dangerous criminals off the street, and you would think that they would exert a little bit more effort and we'd hear more of their massive gun fights as they fought all of these you know dangerous criminal

elements who now have figured out to hide in the guys of like a grandmother or a mom or a dad or a babysitter. So cartoonish as fun. Well honestly like

the big, they seem to save all of their firepower for people like you. last week you had a little visit in the middle of the night. Tell us about that. Yeah, 3 a.m. There was flash grenades thrown into the yard. They closed off the street.

They had guns out, lights out, 40 agents, banging on the door. My mom lives with me, and she's a volunteer as well. She's an older lady, but also, like, she's from Mexico City. She's this scrappy and she's not going to take anything from anyone. So we had already talked a few times about the possibility of this happening. And we were ready, you know, so we got a, they knocked down the doors.

We were approaching it, pulled us outside, threw me in cups. I assumed, rightfully so, that because they were hitting me at home, that they were also hitting the business, the shop where we organized most of our activities for them. It's not the only place we organize out of. We're a countywide organization. so we have little spots all over the county. But rightfully so, I expected them to hit here as well. The surprise for me was that they also hit a former volunteer

and another volunteer's house looking for, and that was the other surprise. The surprise is that after everything and all the dust settled, all they wanted was our cell phones. All they wanted was our laptops and computers, which is hilarious given the amount of agents and the amount of energy that they put into this. But also we'd seen this in the past before.

but we're not, I'm not the first and I'm not the last of our volunteer base that gets raided or arrested or pepper sprayed or threatened or any of these other things. So we do see it more of as a show of force than anything. Yeah, I mean, what do they think that you have on your computers? I mean, I would imagine there's a certain amount of like operational security that you guys maintain in terms of like lists of people who shouldn't be on, you know, those lists, etc., etc. We do have to a certain extent. We do have, we're really good on security. But the truth is, is that from the very beginning that we started this organization, we're like, okay, cool, we have to operate in a way that if we ever get raided, like there's nothing really

of value to them. Like there's nothing. They were looking for, and it said in the warrant for the shop, which weirdly not for the house, but in the warrant for the shop, they said that they were looking for training material and, you know, training stuff that would show people. how to assault or how to, you know, whatever with federal officers. They were looking for weapons, glass breakers or anything like that that could be used to assault federal officers.

So they really were looking for more than what they found, a lot more than what they found, which is hilarious again because we would, we cannot operate this openly and also be doing shady stuff behind the scene, getting ready to assault officers. We just wouldn't be able to do it. organization would crumble in a heartbeat the minute that something gets discovered or the minute a raid like this happens and also and more importantly none of those doctors none of those teachers none of the parents and the grandparents that are part of our volunteer base would be part of our organization if that's how we operate it that's why we don't have a mass it's all we got to move openly

well i would imagine from their perspective this is all about uh this is largely it's a two there's two purposes for what they for what they're doing one is to try and intimidate you which My sense is that's not going to work. The other is that they want to create a narrative that you and your fellow, you know, volunteers are some type of like, you know, Antifa sleeper cell. We should say that at your screen print and design studio, it was reported, the DHS inventory sheet shows that agents took. took a USB drive, I'm sure, with the secret plans for, you know, the sleeper cell.

Two knives, which I should say we have knives here in this office as well, because there are times where we need to cut things. A phone and skateboards as well as a riot shield. What are you using these skateboards for? Oh, that's right. So it's it's merchandising. that would show affiliation and association with the organization, which we're going to make more skate. We print decks. So we're going to print more of those decks, put them up for sale. No, wait a second.

They're going to print up and put up for sale. They took some of the T-shirts that we have, the merch shirts. Wait, wait, where do I get the deck? My son's a skateboard. I'm going to send you guys a gift pack for sure. No, no. I want to know where we can buy one. In fact, what is the site where folks can buy,

some of this because in many we're going to be putting it up today yeah we usually sell it at events around here and we do raffles with it but we are going to be putting it up it's stash box but uh the last word box is with two xes no oh it's bxx stash bx all right well brian's gonna

Brian's gonna put the link in our podcast and YouTube description because this stuff has gotten significantly more valuable because DHS is driven up has made it into collectors items, it seems like. Yeah. I got to do a commercial for it.

Yeah. The feds took. Well, because I, you know, I'm certainly interested in the deck for my son. So what else would be helpful? I mean, if you guys, like, put out any type of manual for other groups around the country, A, and then B, I guess, what are you anticipating going forward? because it feels like ICE is trying to lay low, at least in terms of like the publicity, but I get the sense that certainly in areas where there's less media coverage,

they're operating as intense as ever, but particularly fall in the midterms, they're going to ramp up again in a way that will rival what they were doing several months ago. Yeah, we're coming up on the one-year anniversary of the invasion of Los Angeles. which for us being the next county up affected us tremendously because we had two military bases here. And that's where all the DHS was operating out of. That's where all the border patrol was coming out of. That's where all these ice agents from all over the country were operating out of. So the month of June of last year is when things were really at a fever pitch and they closed it off with a raid,

the largest raid in California history here in Camarillo within our county at Glasshouse, which was a marijuana farm that had hired a ton of undocumented folks. So that was the bulk of our work for June, July, that flow. We had hundreds of calls a day. We responded incredible as a team. So much family support. We got so much love. And also that's where we got a lot of the media connections.

So as the year went on and they would either crash into me in the truck or somebody got taken under weird circumstances or the second time that they crashed into me, boxed me in and arrested me. Oh, wait. We watched that scandal off of this. I we we covered that I didn't realize that was you when they when they slammed you in the back of your truck uh that was all on video oh yeah nice work man uh yeah i mean that sucks me have a solid history of pushing these fuckers out but we're well um i love it if there's um and is there like any ideas of like creating a manual some of those best practices for other places around the country where you know

know, people may, or are you in touch at times with different groups around the country, helping them? You have. Okay, great. Yeah, we are in constant communication with other groups in the county up, LA County as well with those teams. But even then, on my, aside from everything, I started making TikToks at the beginning of last year, not thinking that it was going to have anything to do with this work.

And that blew up a little bit. So even though I was covering a lot of Mexican politics, really what I started doing is I started making videos in English and in Spanish on how to build those neighborhood groups, on how to do, going back to school season. We did a bunch of videos on how to prepare your elementary school for the drop off and pickup line that's mostly hit by ICE agents and how to defend that internally. So a lot of the stuff that we do nothing's rocket science, it's more the truth of the matter is when we talk to other response teams and everything else is that there's no substitute for knocking on doors and talking to people. There's just absolutely no substitute for that. And I think that's a big part

that a lot of folks miss and a lot of folks skip over is you have to go out and knock doors. You might have a really big city, but you also have a lot of hot spots within that city that you need to work on. And as you work on those hotspots in the city, you're going to know what other hotspots you want to learn. You're going to come up with other solutions for other spaces. We're always available as a resource. You could reach out to us online, but to be honest, call the hotline. The hotline numbers everywhere. That's the one thing that we always have dispatchers answering for and we could we can kind of deviate whatever we need to what what is that hotline number for folks who are watching hotline is area code 805 296 1-119 8 0 8 05 8 05 24 7 ready to answer

29 29 29 6 29 okay great well leah really um I can't tell you how much I appreciate the work you're doing Brian tells me that you're a fan of the program, obviously, of Michael Brooks's as well. That is incredibly... I'm an honor to be here with you guys. Honestly, it really is incredibly gratifying to see folks in our audience who are doing this type of work. And you are really your level of commitment and the grief that you have caused them. Honestly, if we had the ability to give a medal, I would. We're going to put a link.

Once you got your store up and ready, we're going to put a link to that on the site as well as to your TikToks and that hotline. Leo Martinez, thanks so much for your time. Really, really appreciate it. Thank you guys very much. How a spectacular day. All right, you too. We've got to take a quick break. When we come back, we're going to be talking to Gabby Finlinson and Jackie Morgan.

Just Gabby. Jackie's sick, I just found out. Well, we're just going to be talking to Gabby. Yep. She must have met Emma. Yeah. Senior partner at Alivate Strategies. They are a firm in Utah that works with progressive campaigns, and they have been really upsetting Mr. Wonderful.

They've made Mr. Wonderful Mr. Cranky. And we will be talking to Gabby about her. her fight against a massive, I mean, just massive AI data center in Utah. We'll be right back after this. We are back, Sam Cedar on the Majority Report. Emma Viglin is out today. I want to welcome to the program. Gabby Finlinson, senior partner,

elevate strategies, which is a political consulting firm that works with progressive campaigns, causes, and organizations throughout Utah. I imagine, like, there's not a lot of those entities. in Utah, but I guess maybe would be surprised. But you've also been part of organizing against this data center and have, I guess, sparked the ire of someone named Mr. Wonderful. How could you? But Gabby, first, before we get into that, tell us about this data center,

because I've been reading about this. It's nuts. Yeah, it really is pretty wild. This is the largest proposed data center in the United States. And I think it's so hard to even conceptualize how big of not only a physical footprint that it would have, but the impact that it will have on Utah and the surrounding areas. So it is, you know, 40,000 acres that is twice the size of Manhattan. It's like about the same size as Washington, D.C.

And it would use and, you know, put off nine gigawatts of energy, which is more than double what the entire state of Utah uses right now. It also has the potential to increase our carbon emissions by 50%. It will create like a heat island around the area, meaning that it will raise the temperatures of our state by like five degrees during the day and over 20 degrees at night, which will absolutely decimate the ecology, the plants and the animals in the area. And then one of the biggest problems is that it is right at the very top of the Great Salt Lake and it will take a ton of water away from the Great Salt Lake. And this is a lake that's been dying for, you know, several decades.

This is, we've already spent over a billion taxpayer dollars trying to even restore it a little bit. And we're not even close to where we need to be. And so using a project like this that would take so much water has a huge risk for our economy, for the environment, for all kinds of things. Even, you know, our greatest snow on earth, if the Great Salt Lake doesn't have enough water, will completely go away. So it is a huge deal.

And people are rightfully very upset about not only the project. itself, but about how it was kind of rolled out and announced to the public. I want to get to that. And I just, I just want to reiterate a couple of these factoids because it's so shocking. The idea that this data center is going to consume twice as much power as the entire state does now. Like, just the idea, I mean, it's just insane. and then the CO2 emissions, 50 more percent than every vehicle in Utah. And vehicles are one of the biggest emitters of CO2 just to increase the footprint

and so dramatically in terms of just climate change. And then, of course, you know, all the other sort of like more localized impacts in terms of water, in terms of heat. it's shocking. And so this was just decided by the box elder county commissioners. I mean, no offense to Box County. Box Elder County. But it seems like the implications of this are bigger than some county commissioners.

Yeah, definitely. So the county commissioners have caught a lot of heat for this, which is totally fair. However, the bigger problem is that this project was approved. and, you know, rubber stands by a state agency called MITA, the military installation development authority, which is a really powerful state agency in Utah that has the power to give people tax breaks. It has the power to, you know, approve these big developments from private developers before the public even hears about it. And so this project was rubber stand by the state agency that is chaired by our Senate president and mostly appointed by the governor. And then it was

sort of given to these county commissioners to rubber stamp and, you know, say, we need technically, you know, we need your approval on this. So rubber stamp it. It was three, you know, rural county commissioners. But it's hard because they were put in a tough position in that if they voted against it, the state agency would override them anyway and they would have no, you know, even input into the project at all. And so some of them have justified on the, you know, the back end saying, like, we at least wanted to have a voice in this process, which is why they voted to approve it. But really, this is the state agency that approved it and conversations that Kevin O'Leary said that he had with our governor and the leaders of both chambers of our of our legislature that they green lit this project before it even came before that state agency. And so the county commissioners are getting a lot of blame for this.

But in reality, this was a project that was already, you know, moving forward before the county commission even knew it existed. And so let's talk about the pushback that you. guys have been organizing and then we can talk about um mr wonderful kevin o'leary's uh involvement and then his uh response um but but tell us about that pushback yeah so i think uh this is one of those very wonderful and rare issues in a red state like utah that has brought together people across the political spectrum um you know whether it is progressives or democrats that are upset about the environmental impact or you know rural farmers and ranchers or you know, we still in the West have a big libertarian streak.

It has been across the board people are upset about this project for a multitude of reasons. And so I think because of that, we've had to see a lot of our, you know, state elected officials and leadership and even Kevin O'Leary in some ways sort of try to walk back and justify why this project is a good thing or change their argument about why we need this project in Utah. And despite all of that, it's not really working on the ground. People are still upset about it. there are a ton of different pieces to how people are trying to push back. There's a referendum in Box Elder County. There are people looking at potential lawsuits because this project was rushed through so quickly. They think that there are some things

they didn't do. But more than that, I think that people are also looking at, you know, electoral consequences for some of the people that are involved here. And so it's been really, really fascinating to see, you know, people coming together and realizing that, like, this is not a left versus right issue. This is a, you know, up versus down issue. And so many, you know, normal people in Utah have have started to really come out of the woodwork and say, no, no, not this. We're not, we're not okay with this. Like, you all better slow your role on this one. So, I mean, it feels like you must be having some measure of success because of Kevin O'Leary's temper tantrum that he is thrown. But first off, just tell us a little bit about him. He's a billionaire from Shark Tank.

and he's, I guess, he's invested heavily in this because he's so concerned about people in Box, Eldger County getting jobs that he wants to support a data center to support a technology where so far all I can figure out from this technology is that it can make funny videos and will basically supplant a lot of people's jobs. Yeah, I mean, Kevin O'Leary is Canadian. Many Canadians have corrected us that he is a multimillionaire, not a billionaire. They said do not give him that credit. So we'll do that.

Yeah, he's the Shark Tank guy. He's invested in things like cat DNA testing and dog wine and God knows what else. And he owns this company that does these big investments in AI data centers all over the world. He has one in Canada, a couple of others around the U.S., And so this is not necessarily a new venture for him. But the pattern of working with, you know, O'Leary Digital has been the same across the board from all the folks that we've talked to that have worked with, or had a data center like this be dropped in their lap. But they make a lot of big promises about how the impact will not be what people think it is,

and they can't tell you why because they have patents and NDAs and all kinds of things. So they can't explain it. And then kind of when the public either gets tired or we move on to a different story, all of those promises keep you. getting rolled back and it's just as bad, if not worse, than it was initially promised to be. And so, you know, I also wanna be clear that like, you know, we are people that we run a political consulting firm and we make content online, but there were people talking about this

far before Kevin O'Leary decided to be, Tom asked and go on Fox News and call us that operates with the Chinese government. You know, there are environmentalists, ranchers and farmers and scientists and journalists that have been talking about this issue from even before we were. And so how we sort of became the face of this is unclear to me. But yeah, it's been really incredible to see so many people across the board joining together on this one.

What do you think he was doing? I mean, he literally went up, said, claim that really that this must be Chinese influence, because only the Chinese would want to inhibit a data center that's going to use, more power than Utah combined and put out more CO2 than 50% more than all the vehicles in Utah. Of course, only China wants to protect the environment in Utah and inhibit Mr. Wonderful making profits. But what was, I mean, he targeted you guys. Does he, like, if you guys are somehow inhibited. from this activism? Is it all going to go away, according to him?

Or what is it? What was it? What did you do to him? I honestly have no idea what we did to him. Like, we, you know, as anyone that makes political content knows there are a lot of people that watch it or see it that are not fans of what you're saying. And the same thing is here in Utah, right? We know leadership in the state sees what we put out. We had only put out two videos about this, like a week before he went on Fox News. somehow, I do not know how it got on his radar that we were people that were talking about this.

And then, yes, to your point, I think that because there was such pushback on the environmental impact, and again, the way that it was kind of rolled out to the public and they felt really steamrolled by this project, I think he was trying to pivot the message to say, like, this, the only people that could be against this are people that hate American national security and don't want us to win the AI arms race or whatever you want to call it. therefore we must be Chinese operatives. And yeah, I don't know what he thinks would have happened. Like obviously, we are not interested in anyone who is making threats about us on Fox News, in a suit and pink flip-flops. But like, we're not going to stop talking about this issue. And even if we did, the public pushback would still be happening. Like, this is not us leading the

charge. Like, this is real people here in Utah that are pushing back against this. We just happen to have a platform to kind of elevate those voices. So I have no idea. But it is definitely not landing. I don't think anyone in the state that is upset about this project decided to stop being upset about it because of what Kevin O'Leary has said. If they've only gotten more upset, I feel like. What I think is fascinating, I mean, I think what it shows, there's a couple of things. And, you know, my mind obviously often goes to sort of finding the most anxious part of this, is that, A, he has no experience in having to actually deal with the public. and sell any of this technology.

And I would imagine that's the case with a lot of them. All they do is they go in, they drop a lot of money into the campaigns of people who can sign off on this. They try and do it in the backroom as quietly and is amongst the sort of like powerful elite, as much as that word is, is abused sometimes. Like that's what's happening. And he is so clueless as to what happens when the public finds out. that he thinks doxing essentially you guys in some fashion as Chinese agents is going to have some impact. I mean, there's two things.

One is like it's quite clear they have no, all of their approvals have come as a function of paying off people in one form or another. And then the other is they're going to get more savvy about this as time goes on. They're going to realize, like, soon that, I mean, we've talked to other groups who have stopped AI data centers. They're going to get more savvy and start waging, is my guess, more public-facing campaigns like we almost saw in the fracking days. Yeah, I think that's exactly right. I think, you know, this is such an interesting, like, microcosm of all the reasons that people hate American politics. But, you know, I think that's right.

I think when people have been wealthy and powerful for a long time, they forget what it's like when they can't buy people's approval or they can't strong arm people into saying yes or getting on board or even being quiet about it. And I think that's exactly what we're seeing here. These leaders in our state and Kevin O'Leary and these other people that are rich and powerful, I think forget what it's like when real people have a real concern about a real thing happening in their state.

And they're not going to be influenced by, you know, potential money or being guilted into supporting American national security. And I think you're right. I think because there's been such public pushback in every place they've tried to build these data centers across the country, I think they are going to have to try and get more savvy and be more harsh about it because otherwise,

like I don't know how they're going to continue to get the public even to be fine with things like this, let alone supportive. What, so give me a sense of what you think happens next. And, um, how people can get involved. Yeah, so like I mentioned, there is a referendum going on right now by Bokshelder residents, so people can get involved with that if they would like to do that.

We can try them on social media. Their acronym is bear, like the animal. And there's also, like I mentioned, potential litigation. But also the biggest thing that we're looking at in Utah right now is supporting people in the state that want to file protests against the water rights. That's, like, kind of the biggest thing that people can do is. saying that they don't want to have these water rights traded and sold, which is a very complicated area of law, especially in the West. But also, you know, people want to support us and the work that we are doing. And another one of the organizations that Kevin O'Leod called out on Fox News,

we actually, we made a version of his hat. I don't know where he found his hat, but he's been wearing it everywhere. It just said Utah National Security on it. And did he make it himself? I don't know. But we decided to make our own hat that says Utah Nature Security and all of that, all the proceeds will go to us and the other organization called out by Kevin O'Leary who do this type of public accountability work. And so people can go to our social medias. It's Elevate underscore Utah, U-T-A-H to find those or on our substack. It's elevateututah. News. All right. Well, we'll put links to both of those. Gabby Finlinson, our regards to Jackie, your partner, who is sick today. It's going around. But thanks so much for the work you're doing. Really impressive.

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Check out, support these people. Did you know the Great Salt Lake the water source to this data center. As it's drying up, it's releasing a toxic dust that potentially could make Salt Lake City uninhabitable. Well, then you could expand the data center. Yeah, a small purse to pay for data. You'd be able to expand the data.

I mean, if Utah, if Salt Lake City was uninhabitable, think of all the water that would be then available for the data center. Think of the compute, Brian. God. Oh, I'm sorry. Oh, I'm sorry, Brian. Is this upsetting your Chinese taskmasters? They didn't pay me for a rebuttal.

It just paid me for the initial statement. Exactly. Brian tried to buy some coffee this morning with Huan, and he was rejected. Soon I won't be, though. Soon that will be the currency of this country. That's right. if Brian gets his way. Matt, what's happening in the Matt Leckon Media universe?

Yeah, we had Ron Placcona on Left Reckoning yesterday talking about California, Steyer, and their mayor race, and some of their stuff. Check that out, patreon.com, says Left Reckoning. What did you guys say about Steyer? What's the word? I mean, reluctantly, it seems to be the best candidate. I also didn't know that Butch Ware,

failed to make the ballot at all. The Green Party just fucked it up. You know, I mean, here's... Well, like, this is the thing about the DSA. Their model has shown to be very effective, or at least relatively speaking. Over a much shorter time period than the Green Party. Over a much shorter time period. And there's going to be what, like now six members of Congress minimum who are going to be full on card carrying DSA

members. And they obviously won't always vote in the way that we want them to. And obviously six members out of a 200 and, you know, who knows what it'll be after this fall, 220, 230 member caucus. But it is progress. In a way where if you look at like the 30-year history of the Green Party, there's something, the concept of the Green Party, not necessarily bad, the execution of it seems to have gone off the rails 25 years ago.

Yeah, and never got, even seen the rails since. No. So, nice if some people would maybe. Well, whatever. I think, you know, everybody's got their core brand proposition, I guess. Oppositional defiance? Yes. Brian.

I don't have that. That's why Brian's so supportive of the Chinese government. No, it isn't. Oh, also, we're also going to put a link in. Listen, a lot of people come to me, they're like, Sam, what's the meaning of the world? What is life about? Or, you know, how can I improve my status in my friend's circle or stuff like that? I'm not good.

I don't have those answers. But there is the head of guru tainment. Ronald Reagan is obviously an expert at this. He's been doing it for almost 40 years in giving this type of advice. And now he is available to you, the public, for any type of advice you want through Mnacht. And we will put the link, Patrick Bed David,

was kind enough to set him up, See if he can see if his ideas can compete in the marketplace Just heads up if you want to do a live video chat with him It's going to cost a minimum of $15,000 But you can text with them for 50 bucks Now this guru attainment Maybe I should spend money on this But does that mean it entertains gurus or it's

Hey that's a great question to ask Ronald Reagan For $15,000 You just got to come up with another. You really want to jam-packed that $15,000 in there. To ask your credit card to up your limit. And the first thing, the first thing, I, ah, exactly, how do you pay for that? I don't have $15,000.

No. I couldn't charge something for $15,000. If you're asking that question, you don't belong on Mnacht. No master card. That is not a false purchase. I meant to do that. As they repoing my car. Sorry, babe, I needed to meneck.

Shown your wife, the Menect bill. I wonder if Raul Ragan's wife knows he's doing this. He's constantly having to be like, can you please just, we have kids. All right, we've got to take quick break. We'll head into the fun half. We're going to take phone calls today. We'll open them up early. We'll be right back after this.

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