The Majority Report with Sam Seder - 3674 - How NYC DSA Won; Junk Fees Hit Tenants w/ Grace Mausser, Gustavo Gordillo, Tracie McMillan

Episode Date: June 25, 2026

It's an Emmajority Report Thursday on The Majority Report On today's program: Hakeem Jeffries tries to downplay the genocide's role played in motivating voters to support DSA-aligned candidates in Tuesday's primaries by touting pro-genocide Rep. Ritchie Torres' landslide victory over an anti-genocide candidate. Jeffries implies that Israel's genocide is a wealthy voter issue whereas working class people are not interested in that issue which is in direct contrast with polling data. DSA co-chairs Grace Mausser and Gustavo Gordillo join the program to reflect on Tuesday's huge victories in New York City. Tracie McMillan, journalist and author, joins the program to discuss her pieces published in The Guardian US on property management companies pillaging renters through absurd fees; 'Extremely overwhelmed': apartment renters face rising tide of fees and US renters call for action to combat surge of 'take it or leave it' apartment fees In the Fun Half: Brand Sutton and Matt Binder join. Morning Joe Scarborough claims to be fed up with false accusations of antisemitism towards voters and politicians who take a stand on Israel's genocide. The message is slightly refreshing although three years late and ignorantly focused exclusively on Benjamin Netanyahu. Dana Bash tries to corner Morris Katz by saying why is AIPAC is so important to voters and not other sources of dark money. Katz argues that crypto and private equity get the same attention as AIPAC. Katz adds in regard to AIPAC that if people see you abandon one group, they know it's only a matter of time before they abandon their group. Claire Valdez is asked on CNN if she can fit within the same tent as other Democrats like John Fetterman and Josh Gottheimer.  Valdez responds by saying that the Democratic base disagrees with Fetterman and Gottheimer and they would be wise to listen to the people who put them in their offices. Candace Owens is now claiming to have memory holed the months following Charlie's death which conveniently allows her to "recover" conversations from that time regarding Erika Kirk. Kooooooooky. All that and more. Legal Defense Fund for MN Anti-ICE Organizers To connect and organize with your local ICE rapid response team visit ICERRT.com The Congress switchboard number is [phone]. You can use this number to connect with either the U.S. Senate or the House of Representatives. Follow us on TikTok here: https://www.tiktok.com/@majorityreportfm Check us out on Twitch here: https://www.twitch.tv/themajorityreport Find our Rumble stream here: https://rumble.com/user/majorityreport Check out our alt YouTube channel here: https://www.youtube.com/majorityreportlive Gift a Majority Report subscription here: https://fans.fm/majority/gift Subscribe to the AM Quickie newsletter here: https://am-quickie.ghost.io/ Join the Majority Report Discord! https://majoritydiscord.com/ Get all your MR merch at our store: https://shop.majorityreportradio.com/ Get the free Majority Report App!: https://majority.fm/app Go to https://JustCoffee.coop and use coupon code majority to get 10% off your purchase Check out today's sponsors: FAST GROWING TREES: Get 20% off your first purchase.  FastGrowingTrees.com/majority SUNSET LAKE CBD:  Use the coupon code FS26 to save 25% on all full-spectrum CBD Gummies at SunsetLakeCBD.com. The sale ends June 27th at midnight Eastern time Follow the Majority Report crew on Twitter: @SamSeder @EmmaVigeland @MattLech On Instagram: @MrBryanVokey Check out Matt's show, Left Reckoning, on YouTube, and subscribe on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/leftreckoning Check out Matt Binder's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/mattbinder Subscribe to Brandon's show The Discourse on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/ExpandTheDiscourse Check out Ava Raiza's music here! https://avaraiza.bandcamp.  

You are listening to a free version of the Majority Report. Support this show at join the Majority Report.com and get an extra hour of content daily. Majority Report with Sam Cedar. It is Thursday, June 25th, 26. My name is Emma Vigland, in for Sam Cedar, and this is the five-time award-winning majority report. We are broadcasting live. Steps from the industrially ravaged Gowanus Canal in the heartland of America, downtown Brooklyn, USA. On the program today, Grace Masser and Gustavo Gordillo, co-chairs of the New York City Democratic Socialists of America,

will be with us to discuss Tuesday's massive victories and how they did it. And later in the show, Tracy McMillan will join us to discuss her people. peace and the Guardian exploring how landlords are increasingly using fees to rip you off. Also on the program, Trump is refusing to sign the bipartisan housing bill that passed overwhelmingly in the Senate and House until the Senate takes up the Voter Suppression Save Act. Trump and outgoing Senator Cassidy apparently have a screaming match over the Iran war as the administration asked for an additional

$88 billion for it. A pair of federal judges block Trump's anti-voting executive orders, one on the proof of citizenship requirement and one on his attack on mail and voting. That's good news, but In worse news, the Supreme Court just allowed Trump to end TPS protections for hundreds of thousands of Haitians and Syrians and also gave him the green light to turn away asylum seekers at the border, which is supposed to be illegal under international and domestic U.S. law. But we're doing a sandwich here with these court rulings.

We'll end on the positive. Another federal judge blocks the administration's efforts to access medical records for transcids. Likely, thousands of people have been killed by a pair of massive earthquakes in Venezuela. The president of the Utah State Senate was defeated in his Republican primary this week after voters revolted because he was backing Kevin O'Leary's Data Center project. Senator Chris Van Hollen endorses Abdul-Burd. al-Said for Senate in Michigan. Israel has killed at least 19 people in Lebanon in the past 24 hours, as Pakistan says U.S. Iran talks will resume next week.

And lastly, the Pentagon quietly restores mandatory flu shots for recruits amid all of these outbreaks at boot camps. Boot camps. Who could have seen this coming? All this and more on today's majority report. Welcome to the show, everybody. It's an emmajority report. Thursday, I'm back with you in the first hour in the free part of the show.

I was out partially yesterday, but I came in with a special appearance in the fun half. So become a member if you want to check that out to celebrate these incredible wins on Tuesday. Matt. Hello, Brian. Let's get right into it. So, as I mentioned, Tuesday was seismic, and we're double-dipping on this story because of how important it is. I truly believe that building out the power of the Democratic socialists of America within Congress is paramount here. because so many of the incentives, so much of the incentive structure within the Democratic Party has led us to this moment of fascism. We've spoken about how the party has reoriented itself towards upper middle class professionals in a very deliberate manner. They've narrowed the coalition so significantly that it has brought us to this moment of fascism as opposed to building the most broad base possible via a working.

class coalition, which is the emphasis of DSA, Zora Mamdani, progressives more broadly. The consultant class is the part of the party that is incentivizing this, in addition to donors. But as we've talked

about, consultant class, the consultants on these campaigns that have all of this outsized influence make their money primarily by charging well, they have retainers and things like that, consultants like Morris Katz was on this show.

I'm not sure what his fee structure is, but if you're heavily focused on large-scale digital ads and TV airtime, that means you can get a percentage-based commission based off of that

kind of campaigning. You know, canvassing, in-person volunteering, people power, phone banking, that doesn't make money for consultants. and so they want to run a certain kind of campaign, but an ineffective kind of campaign. And that's the infrastructure that I think is submerged for people.

It's not just that the donor class is threatened by socialists and leftists that want to tax them. It's that there is an almost corporate, like, structure within the Democratic Party that runs campaigns a certain way because it makes them money. and they are a big threat, they are under threat here as well. So, and it's this fundamental question of like, what is the Democratic Party as well? You know, I saw some insane tweet from Jamie Harrison, the former DNC chair talking about how these. Slash lobbyists. Yes, exactly.

Who did a bang up job overseeing the Democratic Party under the Biden years. Let's continue to listen to this guy. But anyway, Jamie Harrison was essentially calling some of these candidates, or Dariolisa, probably in particular, because she dared to criticize Kamala Harris, fake Democrats. And it begs the question, who gets to determine who's a Democrat? Because I've heard of this thing called democracy. And if Democratic voters vote for somebody in a Democratic primary and decide that they're a Democratic primary, and decide that they're a Democrat. Doesn't that matter a little bit more than the corporate lobbyists who want to gatekeep, who gets to enter into the Democratic Party and make it so incredibly slim that we just allow for

fascism to roll through this country? It's amazing to me that they think that they have a monopoly on the character of the party. And to speak in the face of primary results also up in Maine. Why do people not believe you on the issue of democracy? with Liz Cheney behind you, perhaps because there's no practice of it internally with this entire structure of the party. Here's Hakeem Jeffries actually lying on MSNBC, sorry, MS now with Jen Saki, and touting the fact that Richie Torres got reelected on Tuesday. Who's learned out a duck, I would say, on certain issues recently since the Adam Friedland. interview. Interestingly. Yeah, interesting point. Um, but the fact, you know, this is his example. Remember how when Mom Donnie won in November and they were like Spamberger 2, it's the exact same. There's a

movement behind the center Spanberger. By the way, her approval ratings in the toilet because she got all of, uh, she and the Democrats in Virginia encourage all of these voters to come out to support their new maps. And then when the state Supreme court knocked it down, Spamberger was like, eh, I'm not going to fight. But I'm a fighter, trademark. Right. Don't you see it on my campaign literature? Choose your fighter.

And Momdani's popularity has skyrocketed. So this is the new Spamberger. Richie Torres. Here's Akeem Jeffries. In terms of the races in New York, what's interesting is that it certainly was the case that in some of those districts, which tended to be higher income, you know, districts in many parts of New York City, there was an outsized focus on issues connected to the Middle East.

In other districts, for instance, in the South Bronx, Richie Torres was running against somebody who was heavily critical of Richie Torres' position on Israel, and he won by 50 points. And so, listen, I think at the end of the day, individual congressional districts, the beauty of it all are made up by a diverse group of people, who have a diverse set of perspectives on a wide variety of issues.

I think for us as House Democrats, we're just hopeful that everybody recognizes once we get through this primary season that the enemy is Donald Trump and MAGA extremism in terms of trying to bring about the type of America that we all desire, where when you work hard and play by the rules, working class folks. Sorry, I want to go back to something you said early on here. Yeah.

Which tended to be, you know, higher income, you know, districts in many parts of New York City. Okay, we can pause it there. I mean, we don't need to hear him. This part where he says there's an outside focus on foreign policy. Got it, got it. Is that a foreign policy, a specific issue you're bought on, Hakeem, vis-a-vis Israel? Yeah. Yeah, I'm sorry that all that is saying is that regardless of the horseshit about which

incomes really care about Israel and support it. What I'm hearing is that your party is being split by an issue that you're taking money to be on the wrong side of. And the reality is that when he says it plays an out, played an outsized role or there was an outsized focus on it, it's just completely contrary to all of the polling data that we're seeing that it's around 80% of the Democratic base nationally, let alone in progress. New York City, which is also a very Jewish city that is rejecting all of the Zionism in front of our eyes right now. The reality is that that is the majoritarian position overwhelmingly in terms of cutting off arms to Israel. Over 70% of Democrats think Israel is committing genocide.

And that data is from like six months ago. What would it be today? So he's trying to will this into existence because this is the kind of politics he represents. and at the DSA Valdez party, I was joining along in with them. Hakeem came on TV and the whole crowd started chanting, You're next. And this is the kind of momentum where I do think it was smart for Zoran Mamdani to pick specific races before in 2028,

maybe going after a big fish like Hakeem Jeffries, who if we immediately primary Jeffries, this could have been a situation where he would have tried to sabotage the Mamdani agenda from the get-go. And Mamdani basically made a calculation that it's more important for me to have success early on in my term for a broad democratic socialist leftist movement to take hold than it is for me to pick this particular fight now. But he's afraid. He's afraid. And then when he says there at the end, it's about, you know, people know if they play by the rules, they'll get ahead. I'm not sure if that's not even a more out of touch sentiment

than what he's talking about as it relates to the genocide and people's anger about it. The rules are broken. Yeah, who thinks they can get ahead by playing by the rules in America? This is what like Obama was talking about in 2008 and yeah, maybe you were able to make that case then. But part of why Donald Trump was successful in 2016 was him saying that the rules were rigged

and I know because I'm on the inside. And remember that moment the debate when Hillary called him out for not paying his taxes and he goes, that's because I'm smart. That is so much closer to the average sentiment of the American people who don't think that their tax dollars are going to anything meaningful that's helping their lives and feel instinctively that they're getting ripped off, then it is to claim that all we have to do is show that if people can play by the rules of the game that they know is rigged against them, they can get ahead.

Claiming that the game isn't rigged right now is just absolute political malpractice or asserting that. Asserting that if you just play by the rules. Especially when they lead on all these DSA people won because of gentrification. Oh, is that? Are black people not playing by the rules? Like, that's the rules.

That's the society that you've set up, the economy that you've set up, is leading to some of this stuff. People can't get ahead unless you're like making money with money, unless you're already wealthy in this. country. Everyone knows this except Hakeem Jeffries. And it's connected to his complete, you know, lack of meeting the moment on the issue of Israel that he hits on there.

But let's just myth bust for a second because he is lying. And everybody that is relying on this 2016 era notion of the white Bernie bro and applying that to DSA more broadly is lying to your face about the demographics of these districts and how Dari Elisa. and Claire won. Let's start here with New York 13. This is where Daria Lise Ava Chavillier beat Espiont. The chair of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, by the way, no small ball representative, by around four points at this point. That's not even that close.

I was surprised at how quickly that race was called. You're the chair of the Hispanic caucus. Maybe look inward why you can't turn out voters in primaries anymore, instead of just blaming the socialist. Exactly. Where is your juice at? 25% of this district lives in poverty. So that's much higher than the rest of the city, which is 14% per census data. So lying about the nature of this district, it's poorer than most of the rest of the city.

It's around 50% Hispanic and 25% black. So this is a majority minority district. The data here, Michael Langge is a really good follow for New York politics. and you can subscribe to his substack. Showing additional data from the New York Times and Vote Hub confirms my election night analysis. Dari Elisa Avelia Chavillier won black voters versus Adriano Aspayat,

but you wouldn't know this, by the way the establishment has reacted to her victory. And it's important also to show that this district has an interesting history. Espeyat initially got into the house by ousting Charles Rangel. Rangel was in Congress for over 40 years. He was a founding member of the Congressional Black Caucus, and he was this kind of legend in Harlem. And that was only around 10 years or so ago,

and people still remember that. So perhaps Espyat going with Dari Elisa is a fake Dominican because she's Afro-Latina and might be secretly Haitian and the insane anti-black racism that this top Democrat, embraced in his campaign. Maybe some... Zionist Democrat, I would also just add. Sorry.

He's also supportive of Israel. Of course. But maybe those anti-black attacks that you were trying to divide the Dominican population against black people in this district might have backfired

a little bit, a little bit. This is the data here in terms of just like what we're getting. This is, I think, vote hub. So, yes, Espiont narrowly won Hispanic precincts to the peers. Like still a good number for Chivalier. She basically split. Yes, exactly.

And he's the, again, chair of the Hispanic caucus. Right. Why doesn't that have any kind of credibility to win a primary like this? Do Democrats want to address their weakness at some point? And so Chavez-Garay got 48% of the Hispanic precincts that appears around. Again, this data is still being compiled, so it's a little rougher. But 55% of black precincts, 61% of the ones that are whiter up there, although that's a white population small.

in that district. But, you know, that means that she made inroads with older black voters, and that was the question. So she expanded on the Mamdani coalition. Momdani did end up winning over some older black voters as well. But Cuomo was stronger in that way, and Espyat was not. So Chavillet was able to win over those voters. These old tropes about DSA and the left and who they're appealing to are just complete counterfactuals. the inroads and the demographics and the coalition is changing before our very eyes. Now let's turn to Valdez's district. So New York 7, yeah, it is the commie corridor, right?

It is Greenpoint. It is Williamsburg. It is Bushwick. It is some of these areas where there are a lot of young, you know, white progressive professionals who, by the way, are still just as much of this city as anybody. And actually, like, the type of people that a certain type of Democrat was mainly, gearing the party towards winning before. And now they're voting in a different way.

Exactly. Exactly. These were the people they were telling to learn how to code. As we were giving away, you know, the farm to big tech, which is now taking those same people's jobs away. You're shocked. They're DSA canvassers now, huh? Lying about this as well.

New York 7. Okay, first of all, this is also, despite the fact that there is that commie corridor there, yeah, Long Island City, too. that this district is still above average in the city on the poverty line. 19% of the district lives in poverty. 14% is the rest of the city. It's 40% white, yes, but it's also 33% Hispanic, 12% Asian and 9% black. And what do you know?

Claire Valdez was carried to victory, an overwhelming victory, with, according to Vote Hub's analysis, 62.5% of the vote in more Hispanic precincts and a 32 point margin over Antonio Antonio Reynoso, who was the, you know, Brooklyn Borough president, too. This was not somebody that, you know, had no name recognition or anything like that. So there you have it. That's the reality. Can we pull me back up, guys? Yeah.

That's the reality. Hakeem Jeffries is being completely dishonest. A little shock. In a moment, we are going to be speaking to some of the folks at DSA, in fact, the co-chairs of New York City Democratic Socialists of America who are going to tell us how they did it. And maybe some folks in other cities across the country will find some of their advice helpful.

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Let's grow together. Use majority to save today. Offer is valid for a limited time. Terms and conditions may apply and we'll put a link down below to this in the video and episode descriptions and at majority.fm. A quick break and when we come back, we're going to be joined by Grace Mouser and Gustavo Gordillo, co-chairs of New York City DSA. We are back and we are joined now by Grace Mouser and Gustavo Gordio, co-chairs of the New York City Democratic Socialists of America who have been having a banner week. Welcome to the show, you guys.

Thank you for having us. Thanks for having us. Of course. I'm obviously, you know, thrilled. It was an incredibly exciting Tuesday. But, you know, what I think is getting a little bit. lost in the national conversation here because, of course, Zaraamamani's popularity was immensely significant to these successes. But it's not just Mamdani, of course. This is how DSA was able

to organize and get out the vote on his candidates' behalf, the ones he endorsed. But there were also candidates that he didn't endorse in state races. And DSA only was. lost one of their races on Tuesday. So if you could just talk about, you know, those state races, the assembly races, et cetera, that you guys were victorious in absent a Mamdani endorsement. And Grace, if you want to take this one. Sure. Yeah, we, of course, we're excited to work with Saran where we could. But he didn't endorse the challengers that we had who were running against incumbent assembly people.

And we won three of four of those races. I think this really speaks to the strength of DSA and the socialist movement as a whole. It's really never been about one charismatic politician, although Zeran is certainly charismatic and we're thankful for that. But it's not just about him. He wasn't a fluke. He is a generational political talent, but our movement is not. built on singular generational political talents. It's built on the work of people all across the

city. We had over 9,000 people knock over 700,000 doors for our slate this cycle. And that's really how we won all these races, with and without Zoran's endorsement. So Gustavo, talk about those races, the state races. What were the number one issues that canvassers were hearing and what was the message really kind of unifying some of these assembly races and also of course a Senate, there was one Senate endorsement, state Senate endorsement as well. Sure. So, you know, we won the mayoral election on a platform of affordability and we went to work immediately to try to fund the affordability agenda by taxing the rich. And it was in taking on that fight in the state legislature that we encountered somewhat predictable obstacles

and resistance from corporate-aligned Democrats. And that's partially how we decided who we were going to challenge with our slate. So for all of these candidates, taxing the rich was sort of the underlying way that we think that we're going to fund our agenda, that really unified the whole slate. They were all going to Albany with us. And in some cases, I think that the primary challenges actually did push some incumbents to sign on to our bills like Jordan Wright. You know, I don't think he really would have been in Albany speaking in favor of this agenda if he hadn't had a socialist challenger. The other ones, you know, they fought us toward the end and they ended up getting defeated at the ballot box.

I think the other top issues that we saw, really housing is the number one affordable issue in New York. It's so universal. It's why it's usually our top issue, building affordable housing, strengthening rent control. You know, the rent freeze has been happening in the background, and that might end tonight. And we also had, I would say, the affordability agenda, housing, that's our offensive agenda, but we had a defensive plank too to fight ice and the deportation machine, abolish ice, and also we have a very strong anti-war movement that's centered in New York. So I think, you know, ending the genocide, Palestinian solidarity, abolishing ice in addition

to taxing the rich, those were some of the top demands. And Grace, without revealing too many trade secrets, I think a lot of people, people, look, it's hard not to be navel-gazy about New York right now as a New Yorker myself. So I want to make sure that we expand this more broadly so people can learn some lessons. Like, obviously New York City is a unique place in terms of the racial diversity, ethnic diversity, the dense population, the population density, the access to public transit, and the youth of the city that can also, you know, is excited. about DSA and joining in on your efforts. But how nationally, if people are listening to this in other cities,

what would be your advice to them as to where to start and what this cycle revealed to you as some of the most effective tactics in getting out the vote and getting people on board with DSA? Yeah, I mean, I think one of the great things about our secrets is that we don't really have any secrets, It's how we won races is really public. And we would love for more chapters, more organizations who are aligned with our politics to adopt them. But it starts with being a truly democratic organization that makes endorsement decisions based on collective strategic decision making.

We have a very long and arduous process. At times, it gets a little annoying. but what it results in are endorsements and races that thousands of people feel ownership over. And that results in people who spend immense amounts of time and labor and energy making these races successful. That is really how we do it. The other piece is that we approach these races like organizers. We don't have a political class. We don't value someone solely because of their resume.

We value people who put in the work. And when someone is enthusiastic, shows capacity and has a real drive to do more, we quickly elevate them into leadership, into strategic decision-making. And then those people can go forward for future cycles, for future campaigns, both electoral and not, and put those skills to work, not only making those campaigns, a success, but building even more organizers. So for us, it's really about being open, about being committed to using our races to build more.

And that's why even when we lose, we lose upward. We've lost plenty of races, but they've all still built our organization and prepared the road for us to win for Saran and now the biggest light we've ever run. And the one loss that you guys had in one of these assembly races, Conrad Blackburn, that was the race where there was the most amount of money spent in that race. And it was just a little bit too difficult to overcome. You can see here how, wow, I had not seen this visual. Thanks for pulling this up, Matt. You can see Conrad Blackburn, that huge red bar.

how much, I mean, over a million, is that over a million dollars? Around a million? $900,000 spent against him in like that small of a race. It's just astonishing. But there was a lot of money spent in those other races as well. And DSA, that was the only loss. So people should really take what you're saying there to heart. And the lessons about having an internal small D democratic structure where people's voices

are heard is so anathema to the Democratic Party that we were just covering earlier on the show in the show that says, you know, if you're a socialist, you're not a real Democrat. It doesn't matter if the voters voted for you in a Democratic primary and said, you represent me a Democrat and my interests better than the Democrat with the corporate label on it. I don't care what the voters think. We decide who the Democrat is. And I mean, if you could just talk about how DSA is a democratic force within the Democratic Party that has been so undemocratic. This sounds very convoluted, but you get what I'm going at there where it's like no primary process in 2024, Biden will be the nominee and we're going to make sure that we close

that off. That's not how that's the exact opposite about how DSA of how DSA operates. You know, I think that the fact that we can offer a political home to so many people in New York where they can learn about political strategy, where anyone can weigh in on our biggest strategic decisions, where we vote on our overall political priorities, where every political endorsement has to go through a three-step voting process, and, ultimately, you know, Grace and I do not have the power to overturn the vote of the members. Grace and I had disagreements ourselves over some endorsements this cycle. We have an internal culture of debate where just because we disagree with each other, we don't see each other as enemies, and we actually want people who don't agree with us on everything to come into the organization. And at the end of the day, when a majority of the members vote on a priority, we all go all in for it, even if we had been in the minority at one point because, you know, it's that unity. It's that focus that has really driven us to victory over and over again.

Now, I want to maybe zoom out for a second and talk then about the two congressional races that DSA endorsed in, Mom Dani endorsed. Lander, but Lander is not DSA.S.A backed and had its organizing power behind Darius' campaign in New York 13, and then Claire Valdez's campaign in the seventh. I want to talk about the Dariusa race, because that was the one that we were the most unsure about. She won by the smallest margin, although four points against an incumbent like this is a significant victory and with the amount of money that was spent against her. But the money that was spent against her, specifically at the 11th hour after the Momdani endorsement was almost exclusively racist attacks. Like she's a fake Dominican because she's black.

She's a secret Haitian. It was they were, the, the Espia campaign was doing essentially great replacement theory saying that Mom Dani and Dary Lisa are working to change the demographics of the district to make it less Dominican. what did those tactics reveal to you? Either of you guys can take this, if you'd like, because for me, it was just one of these obvious mask-off moments where you see how cynically the people's identities are used by members of the Democratic elite to divide

as opposed to bring people together. It was honestly disgusting to see those moves from the establishment, from the Esbyat camp. And I think ultimately it was a huge turnoff to voters. I think that probably helped drive support toward Dari Elisa in the end because this is an incredibly multiracial, diverse district. And this just isn't, these aren't the values of working class New Yorkers. I would say, you know, when we see that the democratic establishment

will use the threat of Trump when it's convenient for them, when they can grandstand, but when they're actually being challenged on a working class economic agenda, they are just as quick to adopt the same tactics of MAGO Republicans against the left to try to divide the working class. And I think it's why voters in New York increasingly trust Democratic socialists rather than the Democratic Party establishment to actually put the, the working class first over the interest of the 1%. Grace, do you want to weigh in on that?

I lost you guys for a bit, so I trust Gustavo. No worries, yes. All good. I mean, I don't know if we have it. Did we put that McAnaney clip on the sound sheet that I sent last night? I also tweeted about it if you want to find it. It's a really short clip. I just wanted to get your guys' reaction to this. Kaylee McAnneeny.

Yep, this one. It's short. So this was, I'd love for Grace and Gustavo for you to react to this as we wrap here. Kaylee McAnneany, who was a former paid professional liar for the Trump administration, is now a Fox News personality. And she was on television last night with a criticism of Claire Valdez. It's, I thought. Constructive criticism, I'm sure. Yeah, sure.

But what this reveals to me, I think, is just so key and it's what sets DSA apart. Here is what Kaylee McAnne is complaining about. What's interesting to me, too, is that typically you have a candidate and they make, you know, sometimes outlandish statements on either side of the aisle during a primary. They're trying to win over the far right, the far left, and then they moderate. But not in the case of the socialist. Last night, as this Claire Valdez was walking off stage, she's one of these socialists. who won. She said, solidarity forever, abolish ICE, free Palestine, organize your union, and join the

DSA. Those are not the words of a typical candidate moderating, coming to the center, wanting to win independence. Those are the words of someone who is so tethered to an ideology. They are going to take it all the way to the United States Congress. Hell yeah. And just got to say, what is she mad about there? If you just listen to her, She's mad that Claire wasn't lying to get elected. She's mad that Claire Valdez is going to be consistent and fulfill her promises. And McAnanini's like, don't we all do this? We all say shit we don't mean in the primaries.

We're all lying to our voters. It turns out this woman wasn't even lying. How can she fit into Washington, D.C.? Go ahead, guys. Go ahead. You know, I think that we endorsed Claire because we knew that she was, a leader that we can rely on. We've seen her work among our ranks shoulder to shoulder with us as an elected DSA leader. And, you know, Zeran's victory showed that when a politician is principled

and holds on to their platform and their campaign promises, that actually increases voters' trust. I think that we've seen from the mayor that on the core economic agenda and priorities that he's had from the start, those are still the ones that he's prioritizing in office. And even when there's been corporate attacks on him, when the Ken Griffins of the world, the billionaire class are attacking him for raising taxes on secondary homes, he's not bowing to that. And I think the centrist, the corporate establishment has this conventional wisdom that we actually have to water down our demands in order to broaden the coalition. And we think the opposite, the way to broaden the coalition and create trust with voters who are cynical about the political system is by being true to our campaign promises. Well, said. Go ahead, Grace. I'll just quickly add that, I mean, I almost want that as a slogan for the campaign, but there is this, I mean, it shows that there's not nearly as much a distance as anyone would like us to think between Republicans who are trending fascists and establishment Democrats.

They both expect you to lie, to moderate in office, and moderation in this moment means moving towards a fascist. platform, right? If they have more power and you are moderating, that's where the center of gravity is going to move. And we're saying, you know, we won't do that. We're not going to do that. We're not going to throw immigrants under the bus to get what working class people need. We're not going to throw trans or LGBTQ people under the bus to get what working class people need. And they are more than willing, they being establishment Democrats, are often more than willing to do just that in the name of winning, but then when you get into office, you see it pulls you right word. And the American people are tired of it. And that's why socialists are winning.

Hell yeah. Lastly, I just wanted to make sure that we got a plug-in for tonight what's happening here in New York City if you guys want to give people a little bit of a heads up about the battle over freezing the rent. Absolutely. We've had a number, you know, in New York there is a body called the Rent Guidelines Board, which regulates rent for rent-stabilized apartments, of which there are millions in the city. And one of our core campaign promises was to freeze the rent for tenants and rent-stabilized apartments to not implement rent hikes the way Eric Adams did every year that he was in office. So there's been a hearing in every borough.

Tenants have been able to weigh in on the process. Landlords also have a voice. And tonight, the Rent Guidelines Board will be having its final hearing and voting on what to do about the rent this year. So, you know, Mayor Mundani ended up appointing a super majority to the Rent Guidelines Board. These are our allies that are standing up for tenants, and we expect them to vote on a rent freeze tonight. So it's really going to be an incredible week for working class power here in New York. Well, everybody, if you can, if you have the ability, become a member of DSA. I'm a dues-paying member myself.

It's, I think right now, I'm sure you guys have been seeing an explosion of interest after you get this kind of snowball effect of winning. That's why it's important to win because it begets more wins. And people want to be on board with a winner, and that's certainly what you've built here in New York. So I can't thank you guys enough. You're changing the country. Appreciate you. With that, we're going to, thanks guys.

With that, we are going to take a quick break. And when we come back, we're going to be joined by Tracy McMillan, journalist, author of The White Bonus, Five Families and the Cash Value of Racism in America, here to discuss her new piece in The Guardian on the rising tide of fees that renters are facing. We are back and we are joined now by Tracy McMillan, journalist, author of the White Bonus,

Five Families and the Cash VIII. value of racism in America. Here to discuss her piece in the U.S. Guardian, extremely overwhelmed apartment renters face rising tide of feeds. Tracy, thanks so much for coming on the show today. Thank you so much for having me. Of course. So before we get into your piece, I want to start here because we have a little bit of news

associated with housing that I would love to get your reaction to. So just a bit of background. Yesterday, Trump refused to sign this bipartisan. housing bill that passed through the House and Senate overwhelmingly. So in theory, they actually do have the ability to override his veto, but Senate Republicans aren't wanting to put him in that position. So he's saying he's not going to sign it unless they pass this voter disenfranchisement save act bill. But this housing bill, it's not amazing, but it, um, Elizabeth Warren has been championing it and it does have certain provisions that Trump like said he,

agreed with Warren on, including limits on private equity buying a certain single-family homes. It's a supply-side housing bill. It doesn't have a ton of government investment, but it gets rid of some of these permitting issues, streamline some of the regulations. It creates this grant program for localities that need housing and stuff. But it was overw it passed overwhelmingly. And do we have this Trump clip of him reacting to it? So, It passed overwhelmingly, but Trump really wants to make sure that up to a third of the population is unable to vote. But this was his reaction when asked yesterday at the White House about his decision to not support this bill. And to reiterate, it passed 358 to 32 in the House and 85 to 5 in the Senate.

And yet this is his reaction. About what? In the housing bill that you didn't sign today. I said it, I'm not signing the housing bill. I want to see what happens. We said, look, the housing bill is, housing, I made billions of dollars with housing. I know housing better than anybody, maybe anywhere.

It's all about the interest rate. Lower the interest rates, you can have all the housing you want. But you have to understand, I don't want to have, I don't want to hurt people that own houses, too. These people, for the first time in their lives, they have valuable houses. They become rich. I don't want to hurt them either.

What you want to do is, what, good for everyone, get the interest rates down. So there he's just focusing on home buyers. And he's overwhelmingly concerned with home buyers that already have existing homes, that, you know, the value of their home may be tripled, quadrupled in 20, 30 years. And that's his base of support of, like, 50-year-old plus homeowners. that support Trump. So he doesn't want the value of their home to decrease, even though it's already increased this astronomical amount.

That's a lot of details there. But Tracy, what's your reaction to him saying that about housing? Right. Well, I think, right, as you're pointing out, right, he's really just talking about homeowners. And there are a lot of renters, particularly when you're starting looking at younger folks. And this bill doesn't really do very much to help renters.

There's a little bit sort of around the edges, you know, But with the work that we're doing at The Guardian, right, we're looking at sort of renters' experiences on the ground, which is a lot of junk fees. And this doesn't really address anything like that. And so far as private equity is concerned, right, there were stronger provisions and earlier iterations of the bill that sort of limited the ability of institutional investors to buy new homes and force them to sell after seven years. That sales provision got dropped in the final negotiations. So what you have is a limit on the number of new homes that an institutional investor can purchase. It does not limit institutional investment in building sort of homes to rent, which is something that Graystar, the company we focus on, is sort of moving into and doesn't do anything to sort of deal with, you know, concentration of existing ownership. And Graystar, it's this, the story that you have in The Guardian is incredible on this.

and I didn't realize that Grey Star is, you know, really the largest manager of apartments in the United States. But it's just like, you know, him saying I made billions of dollars with housing and he knows better. It's just about the interest rates. It's about like the fact he, they still can't understand that so many people just don't have the cash on hand to make a down payment to purchase a home. It's just the home ownership for most people under 40 is a pipe dream, as you point out. And so this is a disconnect that should be exploited, I would say, hopefully by the Democrats, but we don't need to go down that road right away. I just wanted to make sure that I got your reaction to this.

But this story is really well researched and really horrifying. Tell us about Graystar, this private equity conglomerate that is one of the largest, the largest apartment manager in the United States over a million apartments that are really escalating the usage of these junk fees, essentially, to make more money off their tenants. Yeah, so Grey Star is historically unprecedented in scale prior to the 2008 recession. The largest landlord in the country had fewer than 200,000 units, right? As you noted, right, Graystar now is well over 1 million units nationwide. And that's both managing and owning most of their works and property management. Yeah, and that's concentrated in different parts of the country, but they're in 43 states and 863 cities. So something we were able to do is publish actually a data set showing folks how many Grey Star units are in their cities, right?

So folks are interested in that or legislators, right? That's, you know, a useful thing. And they are also a global corporation, right? So they oversee $320 billion in real estate around the globe. Their CEO, Bob Faith, who, you know, was born in Oklahoma initially started out in oil and then moved into real estate and founded Grey Star in South Carolina in the 90s. His net worth is now estimated at about $5 billion by Forbes magazine. So what you're really seeing is they have built this business where they are often not the owners of properties, right?

But what they're doing is doing all of the management for other large owners of property and guiding people, you know, sort of owners into how do you make the most money and get most efficiently out of this property? And that is overlaid with the introduction of, you know, In the industry, they called ancillary fees. You know, tenants and advocates call them junk fees, but additional fees on top of rent, right? So you advertise at one rent, but then once you sort of get through the entire process of applying and getting accepted and you start paying your bills, you're getting more and more fees show up every month. And that also putting the fees to the side for just one second, when you look at the profit maximalization, what does that also incentivize?

it incentivizes these conglomerates and these companies to not do any repairs. A repair would cost you money. This is how slumlords end up operating without there being enforcement on the state or municipal level. So they have fees that they're increasingly charging as you outline in your investigation. But then there's also like the incentive to make the living experience for, tenants as miserable as possible because in the name of efficiency. Yeah, I mean, I think what really struck me and digging into Graystar is how contemporary sort of financial technology and real estate have sort of come together to make it possible to leverage

quite a lot of money out of very small fees. And then all this sort of stuff around cutting corners, right? Like if you are a single property landlord, you have like one unit, two units, four units, right? You have a vested interest in making sure that that building is, you know, going to return on its investment, it's going to stand for a long time, that tenants are happy and things like that. If your business model, because you're able to just sort of extrapolate stuff over millions, like hundreds of thousands of units, right, is more that we just need to get as much out of this as we can initially, right? It really changes the incentives. So you both see these fees pop up.

You know, we did not report on conditions in gray star units. There are a number, I think, as with any large landlord or property manager. There are a number of lawsuits around those conditions. I did hear from tenants that they had concerns about the quality of the housing that they were in, but that's not something we reported on extensively. So what are the different kinds of fees that are being used? And how are they getting around this in terms of the legal language that would be required for an agreement between a building and a lecy?

Right. Well, there's kind of a regulatory gray area, right? Most rental regulations are done at the local level. So at current time, there's no federal regulations that really address this. And so you advertise rent. And then there are very few rules about specifically what happens on top of that. I mean, some jurisdictions around the country, right, are starting to legislate and regulate around that. But, you know, we were looking at gray star listings for like several hundred properties across the U.S. we found 125 different named fees across leases. About half of those are mandatory. And what we have seen is that the leases are usually written so that if you don't pay a fee, your rent for the next month will go towards that before it goes towards rent. So if you don't pay the fee, right, you're going to fall behind on rent. And these are things, these mandatory fees are often things that most tenants are going to assume would be included. So we saw stuff like boiler management, variable refrigeration.

flow. I saw one lease that had a provision for property tax payments. There's also, you know, a whole industry around pet fees. Property tax payments, they're the owner of the building. You pay, that's the whole thing.

That was the allegation in the lawsuit, right? Was that, you know, this isn't appropriate for this to be being charged to these folks. Like these pet fees, right? I think folks can generally agree like, okay, well, a pet can cause some damage. probably should put down a deposit or something. But what you're seeing now is there is a pet

fee one time when you move in that's several hundred dollars. There's a monthly pet rent. You know, that'll be $30, $40, $50. There will be a pet deposit that is refundable, right? That fee, right, that you paid up front will not be. And there's even something called pet management third party way they bring in a third party contractor to sort of manage all of the paperwork around the pet fees. We did find one listing in Florida where, you know, the pet costs go. in part to something called poo prints, which is a DNA testing for animal excrement. And then poo prints itself, right, is marketing itself to property managers as a way to sort of increase what they call pet-related revenue.

Right. So you have this sort of system evolving where companies have found that there's no specific law prohibiting these things. You know, and this is Grey Star's defense in all its lawsuits, right? And when we reached out to them, nothing we're doing is illegal. we're not putting anything into leases that's illegal. We think this is fine. You know, show us the law that prevents us from charging these things, right?

But what you're seeing now is tenants bringing suit, often making allegations around the issue of fair pricing, because the idea is that if you're advertising one price, but then you're paying another, right, that that's an unfair competition. I mean, the amount of, like the fact that they have a middleman that is, you know, instead of just, just putting that back into like what the tenants would be able to, I don't know, experience in terms of like repairs or making the apartment nicer. They are spending so much money to enrich some third party middleman so that they can do some sort of like hall monitor enforcement about people's pets in these units.

Like it's also this kind of surveillance technology to a degree. Like I know that this is in the form of fees, but the fact that that they own the building and are using like these almost surveillance powers to make it so that people have to watch their back all the time or they're going to be charged some sort of fee or they're going to, I don't know, be behind on rent. It's just, it's amazing to me that that is allowed

and it shows how our laws all across the country are so slanted in the favor of landlords over tenants. Yeah, well, and I think the interesting thing with Greystar, right, is that often they are not the owner, right? So they're another layer of introducing more expense, right? So their pitch to landlords is, hey, you know, we'll take all of this headache off of your hands and we will help you maximize your, I mean,

they often talk about this in terms of financial efficiency, right? We'll maximize that. And then the argument you hear industry, including Graystar, making around the necessity of the fees is like, look, we're transparent. We're listing all of these fees now, and that is an improvement, right? So say five years ago, it was much less common for listings to even indicate that there would be fees on top of what they call base rent, right? Now, because Graystar had an FTC settlement in December, they're required to disclose all of the fees that they're charging, and anything that's a flat, mandatory fee has to be part of what they

call a total monthly leasing price. So they will advertise a base rent. And then the second price, that's the actual full cost. But they leave out all the variable fees, which often include common area utilities, right? So the gas, water, sewer, drainage, trash, pest control, all that stuff that's for managing the building. That's now been broken out into a secondary fee, right, and gets charged onto tenants. And they're told, right, that this is usage-based. Most tenants, I think, think, oh, that means like what I use I pay for. But what is happening is companies have figured out, well, you don't need individual meters. You just take, you know, the cost of the electricity for the entire building and then divide it up amongst the tenants according to a formula. And that's what they pay,

right? So, I mean, I talked to a tenant in San Francisco who, you know, was saying, you know, look, I've been having trouble meeting my rent. So I've been trying to use less water. I stopped showering except for once a week. But it doesn't matter, right? Because, you know, she's in a building that's got several hundred units unless everybody else is also skipping showers, right? It doesn't really make a difference for her individually. Wow. God. It's so dystopian and psychotic. And like what your piece also outlines, and I love for you to expand on this, just what the economic shocks of the Great Recession, but also the COVID pandemic did to make Grey Star and other kind of.

you know, property managers like this, so powerful and so, I don't know, unchained in their ability to abuse their tenants like this. Like, what did these shocks do to the rental market and to the degradation of tenants' rights? Right.

Well, I think, you know, they made it cheaper to buy buildings. And Grey Star, right, has significant market power. They have assets. And they, you know, made, you know, what I think on a business side, is a savvy decision to be like, all right, this stuff is cheap right now. We can buy this and we can

sort of figure this stuff out. I mean, and then also, right, more people are going to want us to be managing apartments. There's more rentals, more people are renting. We have a lot of business to do this. I mean, the CEO of the company, Bob Faith, is actually very thoughtful about this and sort of says, you know, look, the great thing about property managing is that we don't have to worry about all of like these properties, but we can make enough money that we can invest strategically, right? Right. And so I think anytime you see sort of the cost of housing become, like of acquiring buildings get cheaper, right? But rents are going up, right? That puts a lot of opportunity for a place like Grey Star. So your piece also kind of maps where Grey Star is across the country. We will put a link to that down below for people to check that out.

But I guess I was not shocked to see that Texas and Florida are pretty high up there in terms of Grey Star properties. What should people be looking out for in their state with Grey Star? Well, I think, you know, if renters are sort of in the market for an apartment, with any listing that you're looking at, what you want to do is really be scrolling down to the stuff where they're talking about total fees and costs. I mean, the FTC did send notice to the listing services at the end of last year, saying, look, you've got to be advertising total monthly leasing price. This is still going to leave out utility fees and these sort of usage-based fees. So whenever you go in to sort of talk to somebody about renting an apartment,

you want to make sure you ask, what are the utilities going to cost? And can I get evicted for those? Because this stuff has become incredibly common in 2025, right? 65% of all renters paid at least one fee on top of rent. And amongst Gen Z, right, that's more like 82%. And that's been increasing over time. So I think, you know, you just want to the extent that, you know, being a savvy consumer helps with this project,

you really want to sort of say, okay, what are, it's not just the rent that you're going to get charged. It's all these fees on top of it. Well, Tracy McMillan, journalist, author of the White Bone, bonus five families and the cash value of racism in America. You can check out her piece in the Guardian. Extremely overwhelmed apartment renters face rising tide of fees. And I know there's more to come, but we will put a link to your piece in the U.S. Guardian down below wherever people are listening to or watching this. Thanks so much for your time today. Tracy, really appreciate it.

Thanks so much for having me. Of course. With that, folks, we're going to wrap up the free part of this program and head into the fun part of this program. And we may have I see a special in-studio guest. Hey, look at this reveal. It's Brandon! I'm so glad to see you in person. Oh, yeah, it's great to be here. You're gonna be in Sam's chair today.

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There you go. While you're doing that, Matt, what's happening on Left Reckoning and with the Jacobin show? Yeah, left. Freckoning, we talk about Jasmine Crockett being petty with regards to the Texas Senate race. And I also talk about one of my favorite books of the year, Devin Thomas O'Shea's The Vailed Prophet, into the Gilded Age Ku Kluxite Secret Society that's been running St. Louis for over a century now.

And also kind of blew up in Ellie Kemper's face because she ended up being turned out one of the more recent bells of the ball. in the late 90s. The queen of love and beauty. Yeah. So, so, um, so culty. Yeah,

it's, it's a secret society that formed after the 1877 rail strike, where basically, uh, there was a general strike in St. Louis, um,

up and actually up and down these rail line. And, um, it was eventually put down and they did the secret society to prove who owns St. Louis and, uh, have done a lot of very bad things to the residents of St.

Louis since that. So I, I recommend people, read that book. It's very interesting. All right. Brandon's struggling with these headphones. We'll give you a different pair.

I don't understand how Sam uses those. It's like a Rubik's cube. Wait, his mic's not on. Hold on. There's like a Rubik's cube. I don't know how he puts these on. I'm trying to solve the lament configuration. I got a different ear piece. I have like an

IFB that goes in one ear because I need to be able to hear also what's happening in the studio, but Sam likes it completely blocked out. Same is like a genius. This is so difficult. Why can't they just go in? I mean, I wouldn't go that far. But what's happening on the discourse, Brandon? Well, you know, every morning we like to stream right before the majority report from 8 to 12 p.m. Eastern over on Twitch and YouTube at the discourse with Brandon. So I would suggest, and I will say we are actually, yes, thank you, Matt. Matt is a real hero. I will say we are only about 2,000 subscribers away.

from 25,000 over on YouTube, I know. Wow. They said he couldn't do it. They said his brand was too off-putting. People found it to be troubling. But you know what? I can't deny that, but I can also say that some people find it to be absolutely compelling.

So why don't you become part of the latter group and join the discourse with Brandon over on YouTube and Twitch? Well, people seem to really enjoy unsettling streamers in general. Isn't there that guy that shits himself or whatever, has a cockroach. You need to really be more specific. I'm sure that doesn't narrow it down. That doesn't narrow down at all.

Okay. And then of course, Hassan Piker is so unsettling. Oh. You know, he's dressed up now. He's a nice young man with his suits and everything.

I'm all so unsettled by the Muslim thing. Mm. You know? You know? And the grand platinum support. Very unsettling behavior from them both.

He's a little ethnic for my taste. I would agree. Matt Binder. Hello. Hello. It looks like we're all in the studio today. I know. I know.

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Eastern Time. Tune in for a leftist mafia. Hell yeah. All right, guys. With that, we're going to head into the fun half. Yes, fun half coming up in just a second. Okay, Emma, please.

Well, I just, I feel that my voice is sorely lacking in the majority report. Wait, look. Look, Samma's unpopular. I do deserve a vacation at Disney World. So, ladies and gentlemen, it is my pleasure to welcome Emma to the show. It is Thursday. I think you need to Timpoo for Sam.

Yes, police, sir. I'm gonna, I'm gonna pause you right there. Wait, what? You can't encourage him to live like this. And I'll tell you why. So it's offered a tour, sushi, and poker with the boys. So was offered a tour? Yeah.

Sushi and poker. I just think that what you did to Tim Pool was mean. Free speech. That's not what we're about here. Look at how sad he's become now. You shouldn't even talk about it. I think you're responsible. I don't.

I probably. I probably am in a certain way, but let's get to the meltdown here. Dwerp. Ugh. Sushi and... Oh. Sushi. I'm sorry.

I'm losing my fucking mind. Someone was offered with twir? Yeah. Sushi and poker with the voice. Logic. Twerp. Sushi and a little kid. A little kid.

I think I'm like a little kid. I think I'm just don't understand. So I'm not trying to be a dick right now, but like, I absolutely think the U.S. should be providing me with a wife and kids. That's not what we're talking about. It's not a fun job. twerk. That's a real thing. That's a real thing.

That's a real thing. That's a real thing. That's a real fit. That's awful. That's offered a word. Sam has like the weight of the world on the shoulders. It was so much easier. One of the majority of report was just you.

You're happy. Let's change the subject. It's feeling great. Now, shut up. Don't want people saying reckless things on your program. That's one of the most difficult parts of this show. This is a pro-killing podcast. I'm thinking maybe it's time to bury the hatchet.

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