The Majority Report with Sam Seder - 3684 - Israel Is Not Invincible; Socialist Runs In Kansas City w/ Mairav Zonszein, Hartzell Gray

Episode Date: July 9, 2026

It's an Emmajority Report Thursday on The Majority Report On today's program: In Houston, Texas ICE agents have murdered another unarmed person.  Lorenzo Salgado Araujo, was killed by ICE agents who were tailing him in an unmarked van while he was on his way to work. Lorenzo's son spoke to the media saying that he recognized his father's screams from the video. Mairav Zonszein, senior analyst on Israel-Palestine at the International Crisis Group and contributor to the New York Times, joins the program to provide updates and insight on the Knesset, Israeli elections and more. Mairav's writing can be found here. Hartzell Gray, Democratic Socialist running for Congress in Missouri's 4th district, joins the program for a conversation about his campaign and platform. Checkout Hartzell's website and support his campaign. In the Fun Half: After a man lost millions on a gambling website, the website sent him a video of Bryce Harper with a personalized message to lure him back to the app. The centrist media is trying to claim that Graham Platner was elevated by his charisma and not his platform in a cynical attempt to kneecap the progressive platform. Joy Reid grants permission to her audience in Maine to sit out the election if the Democratic party refuses to select a candidate with a similar platform to Platner. Mitch McConnell is still dead. All that and more. Join Emma for a virtual DSA event: Workers Deserve More: DSA's 2026-27 Program Launch on Tuesday, July 14 To connect and organize with your local ICE rapid response team visit ICERRT.com The Congress switchboard number is [phone]. You can use this number to connect with either the U.S. Senate or the House of Representatives. Follow us on TikTok here: https://www.tiktok.com/@majorityreportfm Check us out on Twitch here: https://www.twitch.tv/themajorityreport Find our Rumble stream here: https://rumble.com/user/majorityreport Check out our alt YouTube channel here: https://www.youtube.com/majorityreportlive Gift a Majority Report subscription here: https://fans.fm/majority/gift Subscribe to the AM Quickie newsletter here: https://am-quickie.ghost.io/ Join the Majority Report Discord! https://majoritydiscord.com/ Get all your MR merch at our store: https://shop.majorityreportradio.com/ Get the free Majority Report App!: https://majority.fm/app Go to https://JustCoffee.coop and use coupon code majority to get 10% off your purchase Check out today's sponsors: ZOCDOC: Find and book the right doctor https://Zocdoc.com/MAJORITY   SUNSET LAKE CBD: Use coupon code "Left Is Best" (all one word) for 20% off of your entire order at SunsetLakeCBD.com.  Follow the Majority Report crew on Twitter: @SamSeder @EmmaVigeland @MattLech On Instagram: @MrBryanVokey Check out Matt's show, Left Reckoning, on YouTube, and subscribe on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/leftreckoning Check out Matt Binder's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/mattbinder Subscribe to Brandon's show The Discourse on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/ExpandTheDiscourse Check out Ava Raiza's music here! https://avaraiza.bandcamp.

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On the program today, Mayrov Zostin, senior Israel analysts at the International Crisis Group, opinion writer for the New York Times, will join us to talk about the internal strife within Israel right now. And later in the show, Hartzell Gray, Democratic Socialists running for Congress in Missouri's fourth district, will join us. Also on the program, Graham Platner officially suspends his campaign. His campaign is fielding a poll about who to best replace him on the ballot. Hundreds march in protest in Houston after ICE shot and killed 52-year-old father of three Lorenzo, Salgado, Orojo. More on that in a second.

The heroic Wisconsin judge who helped a man avoid ice in her courthouse will not receive jail time just a fine. That's good. International oil prices skyrocketed once again after Trump resumed bombing Iran. The U.S. struck Iranian civil infrastructure last night, a second straight night of bombing, and more war crimes. The White House. is touting these freedom fuel gas stations.

There, no one knows who, what this company is. It's a private company that the White House has partnered with that's selling fuel at a cheaper price. It's like the mafia right. I mean, I prefer the city-run grocery store thing where there's like oversight about that as opposed to some side deal with a private company to make yourself look better. I don't know. It's clearly making it up for it on the back end somewhere. Exactly. Trump denied hundreds of millions of dollars in disaster aid for New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, and Rhode Island that was needed to recover from those winter storms.

Another judge throws out another frivolous Trump lawsuit against a newspaper this time, The Washington Post, and then another judge in the E. Jean Carroll case orders him to pay her the $5.8 million owed to her in the civil verdict, and obviously he's appealing. Trump is also lifting restrictions on OpenAI's new model. Yikes. The senior counsel to Trump's principal military advisor is stepping down, which seems bad. And lastly, a UN probe finds that the mass killings and gang rapes by Sudan's RSF amount to genocide. All this and more on today's majority reports. Welcome to the show, everybody. and impurity report

Thursday. What a week! What a week, folks. We're finally closer to Friday than we are to Monday. So three cheers to you all. Hello to Matt. Hello to Brian. Let's start here.

So Lorenzo Salgado Orojo is the name of the man who was killed by ICE in Texas on Tuesday. and it's not going to get as much attention as it should because he was a Mexican man. But he'd been living in the United States for 35 years, 52-year-old father of three.

On Tuesday morning, he was picking up members of other members of his crew in Houston's East End area, which is a historically Mexican community. so ice was just like rolling through there basically he was picking up members of his crew around seven in the morning and was heading north to do some construction work and ice rolls through in unmarked cars which is important to note because his son talks about this but he thought he was getting robbed

or he could have been who knows and ice is constantly lying publicly about these killings. Shocker, once again, they're claiming that this father tried to run them over instead of just trying to potentially evade the unmarked car that's trying to cut him off.

And we have some footage of it. The idea that that's evading arrest is fucking ludicrous. And the Washington Post, which has this video here, we'll play in a second, but they also spoke to a witness who said that they heard him gurgling and shouting in Spanish,

they're killing me. And his son, who will also hear from in this clip, found out that he was killed by ICE by recognizing his father's scream. Here is a Washington Post report showing protesters that have gathered after the fatal shooting and also a little bit of his son speaking to the press. People are here to work. Families are dying. People are dying. What are they doing? Murdering, innocent Mexican people. They come to work. They come here to work. So what if they don't got papers? So what?

This is footage of the traffic stop and see. What happened, though, my father was being followed by two unmarked cars. Had my father seen an emblem of ice or an emblem that says anything about law enforcement agency, my father would have complied. He drove fast because he feared that someone would take his tools. One of his worst fears is that someone took away his work tools because that's the tools of his the van as well because that is how he made his livelihood that's how he raised us how he that's how he fed us for the last 35 40 years of his life um he was in the process of obtaining

legal status that's what his family said and that was from yesterday the protests have um gotten a lot larger uh since that point i just also wanted there was a really good piece in the bulwark about about Lorenzo and they spoke to one of his sons the son, Rinaldo there, who spoke at that press conference.

At that press conference, he described his desperate scramble to find out information about what happened to his father. When he first heard about an interaction with ICE, the reports were conflicting. He hoped his father had simply been detained, so his first plan had been to find his father's white work van and to

to his crew so that they might be able to finish work and get paid. As time went on, Rinaldo remained in the dark. He did not learn about his father's final moments from a hospital or law enforcement. Instead, confirmation of his death came in the cruel form of videos on social media. I recognize him immediately, not from his appearance, but from his voice crying in the street as he was bleeding out, Rinaldo said through tears. Standing there honoring his father at the press conference this morning, Rinaldo demonstrated why he and his brothers were their dad's pride and joy. They had become educated.

Rinaldo 29, graduated from the University of Houston, Lorenzo Jr. 27 from Tufts University, and their youngest brother is in college now. Rinaldo said he wants his father to be remembered as a fan of the Mexican national team and of C.D. Guadrohara Shivas as a man who sat on his porch every evening after work petting his dog and looking out in satisfaction at the life he'd built in this country. there's a photo of him and his family. I don't care that he didn't have legal status here.

This is an American just like any of us. He should have got documentation a long time. It's criminal that he didn't get documentation. Like this is what we need to be reorienting this conversation towards. Like how have both political parties so thoroughly failed so many people in our communities by allowing them to languish in this sub-citizen status and not giving anybody a meaningful, way to pass to become citizens here. That is the infrastructure that has led to his death.

And here is a local news report that has additional footage released in the moments that led up to his killing by ICE. Let's start just at the beginning. Tonight, the Houston community held a vigil for Lorenzo Salgado O'Raho, who was shot and killed by an ICE agent yesterday morning. Meanwhile tonight we have obtained new videos showing different angles of the arrest which led to ARAHO's death. First, this surveillance video is from a nearby business. You can see the van O'Rahoe is driving, turn onto the street where the shooting happened. Two dark SUVs appear behind the van, one passes it and the other stays behind. Moments later, the van makes a U-turn and pulls to the side of the road. Well, here's an angle from the opposite end of the road where the shooting took place.

look closely through the trees, you can see the white van followed closely by the unmarked ice vehicle. As you see there, crossing traffic blocks a view for a moment. Then an unmarked ice vehicle appears to cut the van off and both vehicles veer off to the side of the road. The white van then goes in reverse, then forward where it pulled over a few houses away. Then the ice vehicle does a three-point turn and follows the van. Again at some point during that video, ICE says that Oroho rammed an ice vehicle. and tried to run an agent over. Those two actions are not clearly visible on camera,

which is why many lawmakers and advocates are calling for a release of the agent's body cam footage. And this last video that we have shows the aftermath of this interaction with ICE agents pinning O'Rahoe to the ground after they shot him. We wanna warn you, it is hard to watch. This was taken by a woman driving by the scene shortly after the shooting.

You can see ARAO being held down by agents and other men getting arrested in the background at a press conference. There you go. So that's the footage that we have available to us. It's quite convenient that there is not visible evidence of him ramming into the ICE officers before they killed him. I mean, they were patrolling a historically Mexican neighborhood in Houston, rolling up on people

and trying to see if they can keep up with the numbers that are required of them now under Mark Wayne Mullins Department of Homeland Security, which is a little bit in terms of the detentions less ambitious than when Christy Knoem and Stephen Miller were high on their own supply. But they're doing it very similarly. It's just more quietly, this ICE Gestapo that is terrorizing communities. And so this is still ongoing, even though I think that they're trying to do better PR about it and realize that, yeah, The Minneapolis stuff wasn't really the best look. So maybe we'll just do this a little bit more in quiet.

There's a phrase in cybernetics. The purpose of a system is what it does. And ICE keeps killing people. And also to go back to why this guy lived here for so long and didn't have papers and was only in the process of getting the papers, it's because both parties like that people are kept in this vulnerable state. And this vulnerable state led to the state killing this guy, murdering him.

There are murderers. Yeah. And when you're in this state as well, you're also, you're also more easily exploitable in terms of your labor. And that is the dirty secret about this. I mean, how much lifetime taxes did he pay? Exactly. For programs that he's not going to be able to avail on because it doesn't have documentation.

And this is the standard, actually, more than the whole leech system that the Nazis that think we need to solve any of this through harder immigration controls point out. Immigrants pay into our Medicare and our Social Security, immigrants who aren't eligible to access it, and we benefit from that, and they don't get the benefits, as you're saying that. And when we're also looking at like broken windows policing and racial profiling in these instances, You know, going through these poorer neighborhoods and rolling up on anybody that might look Mexican is what police departments have been doing for years and years to communities of color and putting them into these amorphous gang databases so that they can charge them with other crimes and in the future. It's all of this is connected, essentially.

And the militarization of our police, since the creation of the Department of Homeland Security, since the Iraq War as well, and all of that excess equipment that was sent to local police departments, is the same system that created ICE. And so whether it's federal Gestapo going through the streets and harassing Mexican people or it's local racist policing departments that have way too much latitude and a lot of goodies that they want to test out on poorer communities, we have to be. able to say no to the police state and challenge that aggressively. Over the coming weeks, it's important to get the phrase in people's head that Lorenzo Saldago Aurelia was murdered by the state. Yep.

Exactly right. In a moment, we are going to be speaking to our first guest Meraev Zostin about what's going on in Israel, some of the internal strife there, but first a word from one of our sponsors, and

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Mayrov, welcome to the show. I'm so excited to talk to you. Thank you, Emma, for having me. And let me just, sorry, my last name is Zunshine, like Sunshine. Oh, Zunshine. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It's a very hard one. I, like Sunshine. I got that now. I appreciate the correction. So I want to start with your piece in the New York Times because it really does shed light on how Israeli society has responded to J.D. Vance in particular, publicly admonishing the Israeli government saying that they can't kill their way out of every problem. Now, of course, this is a rhetorical break, not a material one in terms of arms sales to Israel. And yet, from what you write, much of Israeli society has responding with this indignation. Can you tell us about, that reaction? Sure. Well, I mean, the context here is that the Republican Party and Trump specifically has been in the bag for Israel and specifically for Netanyahu. I mean, Netanyahu and Trump are this kind of duo who have met, I think, eight or nine times since Trump's current term.

And the Republican Party is a party that Trump has aligned himself with very, very explicitly over the years and really has created what used to be a bipartisan issue, Israel, to be a partisan an issue. And so it's considered that the Republican Party's in the bag. And Trump obviously has been a huge ally to Netanyahu's policies. But when somebody like Vance comes out and says things not only on Israel's use of military force, which his positions really are very much different from Israel's positions, but then also to talk about other aspects. I mean, he said, he said a lot of things that even progressive Jewish Americans talk about, right? Like the anti-Semitism issue and if everything is Jew hatred, then nothing is Jew hatred. I mean, these are things that

you would never think to hear from a Republican person, and certainly somebody running possibly for the presidency. So I think people were just shocked. They were shocked by the MOU with Iran that Trump entered, which currently is obviously not really existent, but they were shocked by Trump's willingness to kind of enter the ceasefire with Iran and kind of give Iran a lot of concessions, and then followed that by rhetoric by him. and by vance. So that I think was just something that especially Netanyahu's base was very, very shocked by it. And the Israeli public in general has really supported Trump throughout the hostage issue, and now they're kind of not sure what's happening with him. And does American public opinion

enter into the discourse at all? I mean, the public here is pretty universally against this war, and it feels like that conversation isn't even being had in Israel. I think it's being had in the levels of, you know, think tanks and officials and people who deal with these issues, people who understand the importance of the U.S.-Israel relationship. I mean, every Israeli official or former that I speak to says that this is probably one of, if not the most important strategic asset to Israel is the U.S. relationship and the alliance. And they're very worried about American public opinion. And the shift has been very significant in recent years. And I'm not sure most Israelis quite understand that. And I think they might think, and correctly maybe,

that a new government, if elected in Israel, will kind of change that force. And it's just focused on Netanyahu specifically. Certainly, I think among many American Jews, that might be the case, amongst Americans in general, not necessarily. But, yeah, Israelis don't quite understand how much the shift is on.

And I think they're also quick to write it off as either anti-Semitism, or as some kind of Israel hatred, and they're not really considering the substance of the issues. And it's interesting, too, because, like, as you say, that Netanyahu is central here, and the Israeli elections are coming up in October, and the Kness is expected to dissolve soon I was reading. He's been on U.S. cable news a lot this week, like a lot. Is that an indication of how worried he is? I mean, it seems like he's trying to communicate with Trump recently.

So I don't know if Trump's not taking his calls. I mean, honestly, I don't know. But, you know, Netanyahu is a master of media messaging and campaigning. And it should be noted for the audience that he doesn't give any interviews in Israel, except to the kind of equivalent of Fox News, like the pro kind of Netanyahu Channel 14 here. Otherwise, he doesn't do any kind of press at all and doesn't speak to Israeli media. So he does speak to American media, and I think that's, you know, how he understands speaking both internationally and to Trump and to his base at home. So I think that's what he's doing.

And he's in a very difficult position since this war because he didn't deliver on what he promised. He fudged the achievements of the war, the goals that have not been achieved about regime change, about the nuclear program. So he has to figure out what he's going to do. So there's, you've noticed he's focusing a lot more on Turkey now. There's talk again about having to go into Gaza because Hamas is still in power there. So he's going to maneuver in many different ways. And I think that's what he's trying to do with this messaging in American media. We had a Turkish writer on yesterday.

And I was kind of, you know, we spoke about his obsession with Turkey right now and his fixation on Trump, kind of removing restrictions on sales of F-35. so that and renewing that, like essentially the partnerships of Turkey's can buy those jets from the United States. But like if the goal is that Netanyahu wants to stay in power and so there needs to be forever war for that to happen, Turkey seems like an odd choice to me, especially because Israel is continuing to wage war in Lebanon anyway, so that could potentially be for him some justification to stay in power and stay out of jail. I think the Turkey issue, I mean, one is the general Israeli, you know, power and hegemony in the region, it's qualitative military edge. It doesn't want anything to come in the way of that. But with the Turkey issue specifically, I mean, the minute that Assad fell in Syria and Iran was weakened in the June 2025 operation and then now, the talk in Israel by mostly Hawks. And in general, Israel and Turkey have a long, you know, up and down rollercoaster. a relationship, the Mavi Marmara, they have bad blood between them. And Erdogan and Netanyahu are obviously leaders who are very extreme and they use the rhetoric about each country for their own domestic political issues. But in Israel, there is a lot of discourse about how Turkey is the

new Sunni power that is going to replace kind of the Sunni access, the Muslim Brotherhood access, and that they are going to replace the Iran-Shiite access. A lot of it is obviously, I think, hot air, but I think there are definitely. officials in Israel who are concerned. And obviously when Lassad fell in Syria, Israel's immediate concern was, is Turkey going to fill the vacuum there that Russia and Iran filled? And so that was part of, I think, the thinking. So there is a potential, I think, risk of future issues between Turkey and Israel. But for now, I think it's mostly just Netanyahu using Turkey for his own purposes. Well, because at the end of the day, like, NATO, Turkey is a NATO member.

I'm just trying to, you know, get my arms around the level of arrogance and hawkishness here. Like, what does he think can come from this? Turkey is under an alliance with the United States and without the United States, Israel's in real trouble. I mean, Netanyahu bombed Doha in the middle of negotiation. Doha is a big U.S. ally. It has a huge American base. So I think as audacious and crazy as it is for Netanyahu to do it, It's also a bit crazy that America is kind of letting Israel do it, although that did lead to, you know,

a kind of a change, I think, in perception in the Gulf, and it did lead to certain things. But, yeah, it's, it's, I think this kind of attitude by Netanyahu, and not just Netanyahu, but the security establishment in Israel is a product of the fact they've been doing all kinds of things for years with impunity. And so they have hubris, and they go as far as they can until somebody forces them to stop. Can you shed some light on this anti-Netanyahu coalition? It seems like they're more unified than they have been in a few years and potentially could take a really swing for the fences here in these elections to try to oust him. How would you characterize their ideology and even like I guess a two-parter?

How would you characterize their ideology within Israel? and how would you characterize their ideology as it relates to the Palestinians? So I wouldn't say that they're unified. There's actually, it's a huge hodgepodge of different parties that would make up this block that could be the incumbent block and get rid of the Netanyahu coalition.

The person who's currently kind of leading in the polls is Eisenkud. He's the former chief of staff. He represents the kind of sober military establishment in Israel that has become considered, centrist because the political echelon has gone so far right, but he's by no means elected. And Nftali Bennett is a clear pro-settlement right-wing leader. There's other right-wing politicians in there. But I think what we're seeing is the combination of Netanyahu really

losing some of his legitimacy and credibility, not being able to kind of spin this into a victory right now. And that combined with the fact that a lot of Israelis, including ones on the right, want Netanyahu out. So it's kind of amazing that with the failure of October 7th, with the failure of this current Iran war and the situation and not being able to deliver on any of the open front, that Netanyahu could still possibly remain prime minister. I mean, it's not implausible at all. However, there are a lot of Israelis feel like this is a very existential election, not even on the Palestinian issue, just on Israeli democracy, the court system, all of the issues that are domestic, the ultra-Orthodox who don't go to the army, all these issues are what

matters to Israelis. And that goes to your second question, which is that on the Palestinian issue, I mean, this is before October 7th, but certainly after October 7. There is no political alternative to what Netanyahu is offering in terms of greater Israel, in terms of rejection of the Palestinian state. There are obviously somewhat nuanced, more nuanced positions. The Democrats Party in Israel represents an anti-occupation style approach. However, there are, not interested in promoting a two-state solution. The two-state solution is not in the discourse in Israel. So nobody that has a chance to upset Netanyahu is going to push for a peace process or going to push for Palestinian rights. That's just not on the table.

You wrote a piece for foreign policy in 2024 that I saw you just recirculate. The problem isn't just Netanyahu. It's Israeli society. You've touched on it there, but perhaps you could say more about that issue. Yeah, and the reason I thought of it is because Rahm Emanuel was in Israel yesterday. And he spoke. We have a clip. We might play that with you, but continue. So, I mean, his speech was very much kind of in this tone of, you know, Netanyahu has brought about this situation.

And it's true that Netanyahu has led Israel into the, I think, the worst strategic international position it's ever been in. But it's important to remember that it's true that if Netanyahu is elected, is booted out in the elections, that would be an improvement for a lot of people on the ground, I think, no doubt. People who say that, you know, Nafali Bennett would be the same. No, it would not be the same. And I think a lot of people, not just in Israel,

but in the region, would like to see Netanyahu step off. If nothing else, then because he's been around for way too long, like many others in the region. But the point is that Israeli society for a long time because it's not just that they've gone to the right, they haven't had to pay a price for the things that they've done. They're not held accountable. And that has created a situation that is very problematic,

certainly for the people around them that the violence is inflicted on them, but also for Israelis themselves. I think they don't realize. And then they go out into the world and they think that people hate them because they're not really taking responsibility for the policies that they've taken. And, of course, my argument would be that these policies have not led Israelis to security or stability of any kind. But even if you get rid of Netanyahu, even if you get rid of Ben-Gir and Smutri, who are his very far-right settler ministers, you still have an Israeli body

politic that isn't willing to recognize Palestinians as humans who deserve human rights, basic rights, a state, and that this isn't something that they get to decide on, yes or no. This is something that it needs to happen for all kinds of reasons. Let's play, since you brought it up a little bit of Rahm Emanuel speaking at Tel Aviv University this week. This man, I'm going to editorialize here and say he's delusional enough to think that he can actually win a Democratic primary in this current age. I mean, like, he was one of the worst figures in the Obama years, and the fact that he still has these ambitions is shocking to me. Not a great record in Illinois either. No, no, exactly. He's like one of the pro-austerity, centrist, corporate Democrats. And he represents, I would say, right now, the furthest right flank of the Democratic Party. And this messaging on that issue is where they're trying to plant their flag. You have Democratic majority for Israel that was praising this speech. So it's instructive just because when we're looking at these goalposts, here is Rahm Emanuel launching his 23 state solution.

You're not. Can't make the stuff up, folks. And in that spirit, I want to propose today a new three-part U.S. policy in the region, which would advance our joint security interests by leveraging the Arab world's desire for stability, Israel's need for its own security, and the Palestinian demands for sovereignty. These three elements can be packaged as a singular strategic initiative that benefits all. And let's begin with the naked truth and reality. The Arab leaders, not Israel, must hold the Palestinians responsible and accountable for their actions and for being a true partner in peace.

And to that end, the now discredited path to a two-state solution should be replaced by a 23rd. state solution. The 21 Arab nations that have exploited Palestinian rights as a slogan for decades now need to roll up their sleeves, stand up a governing authority, capable of accepting the historic Jewish connection to the land of Israel. The new institution must put an end to the he and his practice of financially rewarding terrorists who kill Jews because they're Jews. And they, all right, I think we get their gist here. Like, no systemic analysis of the apartheid. And I'm actually genuinely flummoxed by what the hell he means about a 23-state solution.

Can you enlighten us? Well, it's basically the Arab Peace Initiative. So it's the 21 Arab states plus Israel and Palestine. It's a two-state solution framework that brings in the Arab League and the Arab parties as a party to this so that they have more kind of. of leverage and more a responsibility in the process. It's a two-state solution that's repackaged. And J. Street has put out this 23-state solution as their platform. I think the takeaway for me from the Rahm Emanuel thing,

and it's that the Democratic Party has moved, and American public opinion has shifted, that even somebody like Rahm Emanuel has meant, I mean, the only, I think, thing that he said that was newsworthy is that not only would he sanctioned settlers and Israeli officials who support the settlement, but he would also sanction banks and construction companies. Now, what exactly that means is, you know, an important question

because almost all banks and all construction companies have some involvement in the settlement project because it's a national project. But that is, you know, nobody can go at this point to the right of that in the Democratic Party. And so I think that's the takeaway. Yeah. And I mean, it's just some just quick points. Brian brought this up before the show that in the speech he says, you know, Palestinians have demands. But Israel has needs, like just the framing of it, of course, while you're saying you support

this even-handed two-state solution or 23-state solution in his framing belief, it's laughable, but I think you're right, you know, like that is what we should be taking away from this, is what it means in terms of American politics and its policy towards Israel. You mentioned the battle over the courts and defying the Supreme Court. Netanyahu has kind of openly said that they're going to defy the Supreme Court ruling about this media regulator. And this is not the first time I think that Netanyahu has tried to defy the Supreme Court, but it seems notable that this is gaining a lot of traction in Israeli society. How real is that?

I mean, you know, Israel doesn't have a constitution, but in some ways it's in a constitutional crisis because this government has pretty much undermined the independence of the courts. It has intimidated Supreme Court justices, even Supreme Court justices that when they came in were living in, one is living in a settlement and their very right wing, they are considered too far to the left for this government. So just an incitement against all kinds of democratic mechanisms that I think that is really what. worries many Israelis still hold on to this liberal democratic mechanism within Jewish society in Israel. So there's been all kinds of legislations that have undermined Israel as a democracy within its small Jewish, I mean, it's narrow Jewish society, and they keep going. I mean, even as they know, they're on their way out, they're even pushing harder on all issues, including settlements and annexation, but also on the issue of the court and also Netanyahu,

who since he's been on trial for over five years now, has used this as well to undermine the court system and kind of just do what they want. So they've been doing it in all kinds of ways anyway, but now they're doing it in more formal fashion and piece by piece. And so this continues to be the case. But they still haven't pushed, I think,

some of the laws that they want to, and it's a question of whether they will in the time that they have. And what is the, like, The question also of accountability for October 7th, how salient is that in Israeli political society? Is there talk about, you know, what Netanyahu knew and what he did not know, you know, the amount of time before troops were responding to the October 7th attacks? How frequently is this discussed in Israeli political discourse? This is what Israelis discuss all the time. This is what, you know, and most of the country was obviously very much behind freeing of the hostages.

And that's really the split that you had in Israeli society. I mean, you've had the split if you went on trial in the right. But then you had many people came to understand that this government simply wasn't interested in getting a hostage deal as quickly as possible. And so Israelis completely lost my train of thought. It was about, yeah, the October 7th accountability for it. Yeah. Commission of inquiry. Yeah. So Netanyahu has basically just avoided and evaded setting up what has been, you know, happened after the 1973-Yunk-Kin-Khwar war when there was a huge military intelligence failure and they didn't anticipate the attack then. And so he's been staving that off. And he's politicized everything. He's politicized the police and now he's politicized the Independent Commission of Inquiry. So every single Israeli pretty much, except for the small base that he has wants a public state commission of inquiry. That would be independent.

and that would look into what happened. And he's also the only top official who hasn't left, either quit or been fired as the result of the failures of October 7th. Everyone else is gone in the military defense establishment. He's the only one left. So he's trying, obviously, to hold on to his seat. And this is something that's of utmost importance to Israelis. And I think if he is voted out, this will be a huge reason why. That's interesting.

I guess it's not surprising. I'm also curious about, you know, the ultra-referenced. orthodox battle over military conscription as well. That seems that's another important issue here politically. It's also, perhaps you could also parlay that into discussing, we could center of Mary. No, it's all good. The last year is getting into it. It's all good.

If you could also talk a little bit about potentially like the fatigue from IDF soldiers and like why this reservist issue is so important because, you know, there's a lot of IDF soldiers that are tired of committing the genocide thing. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, Israel is known for for waging short wars in its history, and this is the longest war has ever waged on all these different fronts. And I, in the beginning of, in the month after October 7th, I remember asking a defense official, like, how long can you go on like this with reservists, you know, 200, 300,000 on call or at once on different front. How can the economy handle this?

How can they handle this? Obviously, there's, you know, I think over 60% of Israeli soldiers are in PTSD. There's tens of thousands of them who are recovering from mental and physical issues. So Israel has a huge problem with its force. And then, you know, the army is sacrosanct in Israel. Everybody has to go to the army. If you don't go to the army, it's considered, you know, being disloyal to the state. It's still very, very taboo.

And then you have this sector of society that never goes to the army and gets funding from the state. So most Israelis are absolutely livid at the situation. So it's insane that this government can at the same time push for war on like seven different fronts and at the same time allow a huge sector against all of the army and IDF Chief of Staff's recommendations on what they need right now to continue this situation. And I think it's mostly a failure of the opposition to be able to, you know, to overthrow this government on this issue. In four years, this is one of the most stable governments Israel has had that's going to see through its whole term. So this is an issue that Israelis are enraged about.

And again, like the State Commission of Inquiry and this issue, these are the issues that matter to most Israelis in this election. It's not the Palestinians, it's not Iran. These are the issues. And I guess before we wrap up here, just to zoom out, your piece for the Times was entitled, as I said, Israel is not invincible. If you could just give us a broader sense of the project, the state of Israel, and the fragility of it without U.S. support and why it's kind of a tempest in the sense. tea kettle? Is that the right way to say? I'm going to butcher the phrase. But right now, like, there's all these internal factions in Israel, but the thing that seems to really matter the most, again, is if the United States continues to provide support and cover for Israel,

and if it doesn't, what does that mean for Israeli society? Just your overarching thoughts on that. Yeah, I mean, I think since the 60s, because in the first 20 years of Israel's existence, it didn't have U.S. support, and that changed very much. after the 70s. Since then, we've had several decades of an American-Israel, you know, strategic alliance where all American presidents have supported almost unconditionally, with the exception of maybe Reagan and Bush 1, unconditionally supported Israel. And Israel's entire security, defense, budget strategy is based on its understanding of American support on all levels, economic, diplomatic, military. So, I mean, if Israel was

no longer getting the same kind of aid from the U.S. And now there are negotiations for this new MOU that Obama is going to expire. I think Netanyahu is trying to push through an MOU for another 10 years. He's talking about weaning off the aid, but that's not actually what's going to happen. There's going to be maybe possibly more integration, more technological cooperation. I mean, everything is kind of shifting also from like not just weapons, which Israel needs, It needs weapons it needs the Air Force very much, but it also wants and needs this kind of research and development on technology, on drones, on interceptors. And these are the things that I think America and Israel have still very much joint interests in developing together, whether it's Israeli technology and American money or American technology and Israeli funding.

I mean, whatever it is, they want to work together. And so Netanyahu is now framing it as weaning off aid, but I think for now what we're seeing is that, American Israel still very much want to cooperate. But Israel, in the longer term, in the post-Trump era, is going to have to, I think, prepare for a very different American political system than the one that they've been used to. And it's going to have, I think, ramifications. It's going to have to alter a strategy.

And that might be ultimately good for Israel because it's relied so heavily on weapons and on defense that it hasn't actually come up with a strategy for how it wants to remain in the region in some normal way. Right. Not as a belligerent actor to all of its neighbors. Yes. So I really appreciate your time today. Merav Zonshine, apologies for butchering your name earlier. You can read her work in the New York Times, including her latest piece. Israel is not invincible, but also she's a senior analyst at the International Crisis Group. You can check her out over there. Merav, thanks so much for your time today. Thanks so much for having me. Of course. With that, folks, we're going to take a quick break. And when we come back, we'll be joined by Hartzell Gray, who is running for Congress in Missouri. Be right back. We are back and we are joined now by Hartzell Gray, Democratic Socialist, running for Congress in Missouri's 4th District. Hartzell, welcome to the show. Oh, my gosh. Emma, Brian, Matt, thank you so much for having me. And left. Left is so best, y'all. It is so best.

Best. Left is best. Let's go. Love to hear it. Let's kick off our interview with one of your campaign videos. Is this the one when you launched October 8th, 2025? So yeah, here it is. Your launch ad. And then you can just give us a little bit of an update on how the campaign is going. Awesome. Kansas City, like all of Missouri, has had a history of fighting back. We took on segregation. We built churches in union halls. We created. Aided movements that changed the country. And that legacy lives on.

As an organizer, an activist, and a journalist, I've stood side by side with working families, tenants who are facing eviction and displacement. But let's tell the truth. For generations, working families, whites, black, urban, and rural alike, we have been left behind. You see, they called it revitalization. But what we got were red lines through our neighborhoods,

homes and family farms sold off, schools and rural hospitals shuddered. And see, these weren't accidents. These are policy decisions. Today, the story is the same. Corporate landlords jack up the prices of rents. Insurance companies raise premiums while rural hospitals closed down. Big corporations pollute our air and our water, while family farmers struggle to compete. And our politicians, they cash to checks from the same interests who bleed our people dry. But injustice didn't start. yesterday and neither did our courage. From Kansas City to Clay County, Missourians have always fought back and we're going to do it again. I'm Hartzell Gray and I'm running for Congress in

Missouri's fourth congressional district because our families deserve better. We deserve it all. Homes that we truly can afford, health care that is universal that you can count on, an end of foreign wars and genocide everywhere, clean air, clean water, and an economy that's is for everyone that puts people before profits. This campaign isn't about left or right, red, or blue. It's about us. And that's why I know that we will win. Amazing stuff.

Update now, you know, it's been how many months since you launched. How is that message resonating with the people of Missouri's fourth district? It's resonating very well. Listen, when you lead with listening, not labels, and you tell our folks that they deserve it all, They deserve to be free and fed. And it is a message that resonates because we deserve those things. And so that ad we just played. So that was our, I guess, our second launch video because we are now in the midst of this war on working people.

We are, you know, at the heart in the heartland of this gerrymandering assault. And so initially we were running against a 20-year APAC funded Democrat. And we were going to win that race. And I still feel confident about that race. And then we were given a little bit of a sideways move. And so now we have an opportunity to run against a Republican. What was because of this gerrymandering fight, a Republican plus 40 is now Republican plus 10.

I mean, y'all, we can work with that. I mean, that's something that we can work with. And so that's what we lead with. We say universal health care housing, a job that is guaranteed. We have to make sure that we tax the rich. We are anti-Data center and we need to divest from a war machine. that's resonating. I've got folks who've got, you know, the Trump hat, they've got the shirt, they voted for him three times, probably want to vote for him another three times, which I think

is their plan, right? So they also realize, you know, these are evangelicals, right? Trump is an imperfect vessel, but it's on the Republican Mark Outford to quell those worst angels, and he's not doing that. And so instead of our folks saying that Trump sold us down the river to Israel, what they're saying is Mark Alford sold us down the river to Israel. And that is our opening because there's a crisis of conscience. What is America first? What does MAGA mean? And that's our opportunity to bring our folks in before Marjorie Taylor Green and Tucker Carlson take them from us.

We can't be outflanked by a phony populism. We are the populace. We are the fighters. And that's why I know we're going to win. And Mark Alford, of course, is in the bed of special interests. he is as supportive as anybody of Israel's genocide and voted to arm Israel as it was committing genocide. But I wanted to touch on what you said there about opposing data centers. How have you seen that issue transform itself in your race?

Because it seems like increasingly the opposition to data centers is becoming a rallying cry for a lot of people across the country. and it's and progressives and Democratic socialists are trying to are looking to address that and filling that vacuum a bit. Listen, one of the things that's fascinated me, it has, like you said, been just this, this rise of organic people power who are fighting back against these monsters and monopolies that are trying to, you know, continue to have the boot on the throat of working people. Listen, I consider data centers. I think that they are parasites to our community, and that is how I am going to be approaching that said data center issue. I want a moratorium. I also believe that, listen, these should be public utilities.

I know Senator Sanders says 50% ownership. No, no, no, what's 100%? And we didn't make sure that when we take back these data centers, guess what? Some of them are going to close. And I think that's incredible. I think that's a good idea. And so I am somebody who, listen, I'm anti-A-M-A-M. You know, we don't use AI in our captions, on our graphics, on nothing.

You know, we are people who are going to fight back against this new form of vulture capitalism, this new form of speculation. I want it gone. The people of our district want it gone. We are not interested. We don't want this nonsense. And that's how I'm going to approach that. And right now, it seems to be a bipartisan call for a bunch of sellouts to take these monies and take their, you know, their influence.

and that is not how this campaign is built. We are a movement. Like Deb said, I don't come from a movement. I come with a movement. And this movement is taking back the American promise. And that American promise does not include data centers, if you ask me. I hear you on that. Speaking more about it being a movement, because, you know, tough week a little bit for some, you know, one of our more progressive candidates in terms of a platform,

Graham Plattner being forced to drop out of the race due to do a credible accusation of sexual assault. And, you know, there are a lot of lessons that we're all trying to learn from that, of course. But what stands out to me is that, you know, he was not DSA. And he did not have that organizing structure behind him. Similarly, what we saw in Colorado was Gonzalez, this candidate that got really close to toppling Hickenlooper in a primary. but she left DSA prior to her race and then was outspent a crazy amount but didn't have the name recognition really to overcome it, but it was within reach. Like could DSA have made the difference?

I guess my question to you is like, how important is it that you have DSA's endorsement? And what is, what does it mean to you as a candidate to have DSA, your local DSA behind you, from an infrastructure perspective? It means everything. You know, again, I think that in this moment, I don't want to go to our folks, say vote for me to do a thing for you. No, I'm asking on August 4th that I have your permission to walk with you as we do that dope thing together. And so, yes, shout out to my comrades for KCDSA, who have just been the backbone of our movement, you know, and not just KCDSA, but also

our local orgs on the ground from Sunrise Movement. We've also got some incredible decarcerate Kansas City, our abolitionist movement. We've got an incredible Dula network here in Kansas City. You know, listen, we we take care of us. We got us. Ain't nobody going to save us. And so, yes, we need to, in this moment, find our political home. For me, that is DSA. We need to find our organizing folks.

We align with mutual self-interest. And we do what Malcolm X said is we work with anybody who wants to do good and nobody who wants to do bad. And it just so happens that we are on the right side of history with a lot of good folks who are ready to take our country back. And also I want to thank you, Emma, for being a part of the national platform that you're going to be emceing here recently or here in a few days. So listen, it takes all of us in this movement. We've seen Hassan.

We've seen Mike from PA. We've seen, you know, trying to bridge that chasm that is popular culture and popular action. And so I just say thank you to our independent media space for the platform, the amplification and the coalition and power building. And that is how we have to do this. Again, it's a movement. And that's how we turn a moment into a movement together, forcing the issue, naming our issues, naming our enemies, and telling them to expect us. I was on the fence by your candidacy, but then you complimented me. And so now I'm all for it.

No, like, you know, it's DSA also in Missouri endorsed Cory Bush. That's a key race as well. We've said two socialists, the I-70 socialist pipeline. Yes. This is how we fight back on a war against working people. You know, God bless our folks from Virginia to California. You know, we fight back in every way that we can. But the show me state, we said, we're just going to do this the way we always have done this.

And a Trump plus 30 or 40, we expanded our minimum wage. We passed paid sick leave. We codified abortion. Now, they're trying to take that all away from us, trying to take away our initiative. petition process, but we ain't fazed by a bunch of bullies and billionaires and big money. We are the people. We got us. We are going to win.

Next question, Emma Vigran. Okay. Let's go, dude. I mean, I'm excited. I think that, like, really, I just wanted to ask you, because now you're the two DSA candidates that are going to be, you know, that are running in this race, excuse me, what lessons have you learned from Corey herself, Corey Bush herself? given the fact that she is one of the people who can proudly say that APEC is an enemy of APEC,

and one of her races. Emma, we come up for that kingdom. Yeah, and one of her races, but when she was ousted was, it's still in the top three in terms of spending in a primary race. And APEC took her out, but she's returning here and trying to take back that seat from Wesley Bell, who's a total APEC plant himself. Yeah, he's a black face and shield for genocide. and I have no, I have no time for that form of self-loathing. You know, before we actually went super public with this race,

we done some initial filing. This is back when we were running in the 5th District against Congressman Cleaver. It was on a Sunday night. I'm on Insta. Got a random DM from somebody who says, hey, congrats on your race. I'm with one of the biggest lobbying firms in the country. I would love to chat with you more about your race.

And I'm like, this is weird, but here's the email. and y'all mask off, no questions asked. It was insert her name at APEC.org, a black woman, by the way. Again, a certain level of, anyway, it's hard for me to put into words. Just the amount of disgusting that comes, you know, even from, you know, the congressional black caucus and how much money they take from APEC. So what we did with that email is we sent it directly to spam, and I'm not kidding, within an hour, we reached out to track APEC to our friend Corey, and we received their endorsement.

You know, if I can, very briefly, my name is Hartzell. So when it comes to Israel and Palestine and someone like myself who calls Great Free Palestine, I have folks who are like, so what's that Hartzell all about? So I am the third, right? In 1909, my grandfather was born. My great-grandmother didn't have a name for them. And for those who know a little bit about the history of Zionism, there was a huge PR campaign, especially in the Midwest and the Heartland, specifically even on the Kansas side.

And so all we knew this family, you know, story was that my name is Hebrew. That's all we knew. We're like, okay, interesting. And so what we came to find out is that I was named as a PR campaign for the Zionist movement. That is why I have my name Harsel. And my dad and I were talking about this literally last week. And he's like, should I be ashamed, you know, what should we do about this? because, you know, my great-grandma even was paid by this woman to name my grandfather.

Wow. I said, no, Pops, you know, it's crazy how history rhymes, you know. And so I told Pops, no, don't be ashamed of it because our destinies are intertwined. Because, you know what, that woman in 1909, if she knew that three generations later, that Hartzell III is going to be calling for an end of all diplomatic ties with this rogue, pariah, ethno-nationalist nation. You know, I wonder if she would have, I wonder if she would have made that move, but she did, and now we're going to turn it on his head. So, like I said before,

the urgency of now is now. We're all in this fight. Workers of the world unite. And that's how I know that we are going to win this thing because you can't fight back against the power of the people. We come with a closed fist and we're going for jaws and we're swinging for the fences. And if you were on the wrong side of history, we have no time for you. And, you know, when they go low, we don't go high, we lower our shoulder and we put you in the dirt. And that is That's amazing. That's amazing. I mean, we know you've done radio before. You've got away with words. So I appreciate all of that stuff. And fascinating family history there, poetic even. What can people do to support your campaign? We'll put a link to all of this down below in the video and episode descriptions. But if they want a phone bank for you or if they're in the area and they want to volunteer for you, how would you, what's the best thing that our audience? audience can do to support your candidacy. Word of mouth, amplification, obviously, you know, donations are always wonderful.

Coming to America, she said, you know, we prefer the kind of donation. We like the kind that clings and clings, but we prefer the kind that fold. So I guess here in 2026, we prefer the kind with a QR code. So yes, Hartzell for Congress.com is our website. We have a volunteer tab, phone bankers, canvassers. This is a moment that's never been seen before. With all due respect to our sister, Corey Bush, who I love so much, when we pull this off, we are going to have the biggest upset in the history of this state. Again, you and we have an opportunity to take back the American promise.

Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, that is radical. That is a radical tradition. We have life. We got a bunch of woke folks. What the hell are we going to do with this? We chose liberty. We chose people power, not pack, power. So now we have a way to get things done.

And by getting things done, I mean pursuing our happiness, which is universal health care. It is housing. It is making sure we tax the rich. Listen, I'm in Kansas City, sending my best to the newlywins, Travis and Taylor, you know, seem like wonderful people. But listen, we're going to tax the hell out of them. That's what we're going to be Patrick Mahomes leg and throwing arm, but we're going to tax the hell out of him. And that is something that is resonating. It is winning.

Hartzell for Congress.com. Let's keep the wins because that's how winning is done. And again, shout out to all my comrades, all of our support. We got us. Well, I love it. We have some good IMs here. Future reactionary for Hartzle Gray, can you ask him how he plans to represent the people of peculiar Missouri?

It's sort of a joke, but it's 100% of real town. It absolutely is a real town. I'm a former division one athlete, so I ran a lot of track in peculiar Rakek. They're the Panthers. Anyway, we beat them pretty bad most of the time. But yes, campaigning is relational. We were just in, I'm headed to Pulaski County, which is three and a half hours away, right after we get off this call, which is part of our district, which is legitimately

insane. But it's been an opportunity to meet working folks and to ask and hear what they're talking about. Our rural hospitals are shuddering down because Mark Alfred gleefully and cartooning, is taking away our health care, taking away food off of our table, taking our jobs away. He's on the Appropriation Committee. He is literally selling out our state to a 21st century form of stormtroopers, Gestapo. That's why we're going to abolish ICE. Oh, by the way, the Department of Homeland Security is a Department of Homeland Domestic Terrorism, and it too has to go. We need to make sure that we get rid of this security state and make sure that we are secure

at home by making sure we are materially met, a politics that speaks to us. That's national security to me. Funding UNRWA is national security to me, making sure the global south isn't on fire. That's national security to me. Our destinies, y'all, we are intertwined. And we on the left, we understand that. And now it's time for us not to educate our folks, not to draw straight lines, is to say, hey, I got your back. And my brother, my sister, if you look that direction, I think you might see a through line. And the through line is the corruption. And I got you.

We got you. Tell these folks to expect us. One more I am because audiences loving you, Hartzell. Real Chuck Schumer says this might be controversial, but what is Hartzell's favorite barbecue joint? Best of luck from your neighbor across state lines. The answer is Gates Barbecue. Listen, I'm going to be on the record.

They're going to clip this. And it might be on an ad here very soon. But the answer is Gates Barbecue. it is beef on button to go please and in fact I might be getting some gates this evening my stomach just aren't grumbling just with you talking about this Hearts Lgray we will put a link

to your campaign website down below running in Missouri's fourth district thanks so much for your time today really appreciate it best of luck left it's best thanks y'all thank you with that we are going to wrap up the free part of this program head into the fun half four person

Sater says, Emma heard tax the hail a lot of Taylor Swift and that's all she needed. Yeah. He had sold me a little bit earlier. It was the compliment that did it and then it was the taxing Taylor Swift part. That's like when Mom Dany goes to the White House and talks about how much Trump loves New York and maybe mentions Broadway. It's like if you're a politician, just say Emma, you know, we're going to tax Taylor Swift. Right, right. Exactly.

We're going to give Odo Beckham Jr. the Congressional Medal of Honor. That's all I need. Matt, what's happening on Left Reckoning? Yeah, Left Reckoning. Emma was on Left Reckoning. Also, wait a second here. I need to find some way to some kind of celebratory noise. Let's see here.

Oh, my God. Have you done it? You finally achieved what you needed on Instagram? Let's see here. Now everyone should unfollow. Shut up. Jesus. Let me go.

I'm not serious. Don't do that. Yeah, well, crap. Now I'm back down to 9,987. But yeah, I've crossed the, no, no. You're more than a number. You're more than a number, Matt.

Well, but I own also a number. That number is 10,000. So suck it. I'm a lifestyle influencer now. If you want to be like some of the mighty, 10,000 as I like to call them. You can follow me at Matt Weck on Instagram.

I'm about a thousand short from 20. Oh, yeah. Mr. Brian Voki. I wish I could be popular online again. It's, you know, it's so hard. Your show is doing great.

Yeah. Yes. Mr. YouTube. Yeah. Mr. YouTube. That's what they call me. Also, Mr. Worldwide. Not to you.

I opened my phone this morning and I saw recommendations for leftist Mafia. and the discourse. Oh, well, you know, it's funny. That video I made out. Yeah, I mean, that video, I can't in good conscience recommend my own content a lot of times

because the one that's been like taking off is this when I did about Russell Brand. Yes, it's on our sound sheet. Yeah, we copy it back from you. Ooh, I don't know. Like, that's what I mean why I can't recommend my own content because it's very hard to watch sometimes.

Yeah. But you have like, you have an attraction to the weird and profane. So, I mean, I think people also share that and want to see your stream and reaction to things. Like, I mean, that's what I'm

thinking about power slap right now, basically. Well, it's funny that I mentioned Pitbull, because he's also going to be in Belgrade, Serbia, where they're having Power Slap 22, which I've considered to go to, because you can get, I was, was I telling Brian and Mathis at the bar when I was, yeah, you can get, like, front row tickets to the Serbian, like, power slap, 9,900 Serbian dinar.

Like, 10,000 Serbian dinar, like, fat, like a fat rack of Serbian dinars. You might ask yourself, how much is that in, like, the currency of my realm? If your realm is the United States of America, I think it's either $100 or $200-ish. Okay. I can't remember. And if you're, like, others. You took a circuit this route to get to the actual. actual price, but yeah, keep going.

It's great. That's great. And I guess you could probably also be in one of those like daily wire films while you're out there. Like if you're just going to be in like Serbia, Croatia area, you can jump into one of the daily wire films. So what's happening on the discourse? That old thing. You'll have to go and check it out yourself at the discourse with Brandon on YouTube or Twitch. Wow.

Hello, Matt Binder. What's happening? Wow. What's happening? It's been a long week, dude. What's happening on Leftist Mafia? What could you ever be talking about tonight? I don't know.

Just tune in tonight at YouTube.com slash on 8.30 p.m. Eastern Time and find out. Oh, right. You know what we were also talking about? I'm sorry. Like how Mitch McConnell is like dead or something. I know. Like it's crazy. We do.

I send something, an update in our, in our chat. Um, well, he call you too. No, he, he,

he, for 20 minutes exactly. Yes, right. He called me, he called me and he went, and that was all we have.

So, uh, you know, that's proof of life. That's all I need to know for, you know, Alito to retire so we can replace him on the Supreme Court with someone who's like 26 years old or I don't know,

whatever the Republicans want to do. Um, I think that's it then, right? Do we have anything else to plug? Oh, uh, my,

DSA stuff. If people want to check out the new DSA program, the launch of the program, you can join me and on a Zoom call live stream at 8.30 p.m.

Eastern on July 14th. We'll put a link to that down below in the video and episode descriptions. Check it out. All right, guys. See you in the fun half. In... Okay, Emma, please.

Well, I just, I feel that my voice is sorely lacking on the majority report. Wait, look, look, Sam is unpopular. I do deserve a vacation at Disney World. So, ladies and gentlemen, it is my pleasure to welcome Emma to the show. It is Thursday. Yeah, I think you need to take over for Sam. That's police. Sir, I'm gonna, I'm gonna pause you right there.

Wait, what? You can't encourage Emma to live like this. And I'll tell you why. So it's offered a tour, sushi, and poker with the boys. Boys. Who's offered to sushi and, uh, that's what we call the biz. Twerp, sushi and poker. I just think that what you did to Tim Poole, uh, was mean. Free speech.

That's not what we're about here. Look at how sad he's become now. You shouldn't even talk about it because I think you're responsible. I probably am in a certain way, but let's get to the meltdown here. Twerk. Oh, sushi. I'm sorry, I'm losing my fucking mind. So it's offered a twerk. Yeah.

Sushi and poker with the boys. Logic. Twirp, sushi, and a little kid. I think I'm like a little kid. I think I'm a little kid. I just don't understand. I'm not trying to be a dick right now, but like, I absolutely think the U.S. should be providing me with a wife and kids.

That's not what we're talking about here. It's not a fun job. That's a real fit. That's me walk. The weight of the world on the shoulders. It was so much easier. When the majority report was just you, you were happy. Let's change the subject.

I want people saying reckless things on me. your program. That's one of the most difficult parts of this show. This is a pro-killing podcast. The hatchet left his best. Trump. Violet twerk. Theme song.

I Bumbler. Emma Viglin. Absolutely one of my favorite people. Actually, not just in the game. Like, period.