The Matan Show - Matan Finally Confronts Clavicular About His Allegations

Episode Date: December 7, 2025

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For today's co-host, we have Mike. Welcome in Mike. Nice to meet you. So if you could just pull the mic close to you and introduce yourself and all that one. Absolutely. How's it going, guys? I'm clavicular. I post on, you know, social media.

And I mainly do live streaming. And what do you post on there? people know you from? They know me mostly from looks maxing, from like black pill content. And what does that mean for those who might not know? Those who might not have autism. Looks maxing is like the furthest extent of male self-improvement, right? Taking things to the logical conclusion, right?

Logical conclusion. Right, yeah. So in terms of self-improvement, what's commonly known is just basic, you know, gym maxing stuff, you know, maybe getting lean, maybe getting a little bit of a tan. But it's taking it a step further, pushing the limits. a little bit, you know, with pharmaceutical intervention, you know, certain anabolic steroids, you know, plastic surgery, kind of whatever is. Right, and you said actually that you started steroids at 14 years old, right?

Correct, yeah. You think your, like, your parents made the right decision allowing you to take steroids at 14 years old? Well, they didn't really allow me to do anything. I was just going to do it one way or another, you know? Oh, so you would have taken steroids regardless of if they allowed you to do it. Well, they definitely didn't allow me. Oh, they didn't, they, so you like had, how, how are you getting steroids?

then at 14? Well, so there's this thing called general delivery at the post office where you can have them hold it there. I would usually just go pick it up. And you were just able to order this online? Correct. Wow, is this something you recommend for other 14-year-olds to do? No.

So there's a lot. Because most parents are unreasonably like, hey, I don't want my 14-year-old son on steroids. Like, how do we change their minds? Unreasonably. No, I'd say that's extremely reasonable. The thing is, yeah, that's very reasonable. Most, I never advocate for that sort of intervention that early because, well, there is a lot that you can get out of, you know, taking stare away. When the weather cools down, Golden Nugget Online Casino turns up the heat.

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actually do it and it would be beneficial. Well, that sounds like me being a kind of a dickhead, you know, being egotistical, but essentially... No, not even just you specifically, just more, people generally should take steroids at 14 years old. They're just not smart enough to be not necessarily steroids, but certain things that, you know, elevate growth pathways like human growth hormone. Right. Uh, are actually commonly prescribed, you know, so those can be phenomenal during development. Scientists have now confirmed that while taking meth will make you less hungry, it will also make you completely insane. Is the trade still worth it?

Arguably so, because lean is law, right? Have you heard that saying before? Lean is what? Lean is law? Yeah, I feel like there's better ways to get lean than taking me. Like what? Maybe just dieting correctly. Died incorrectly?

Well, yeah, there's certainly, this guy's kind of freaking me out over here. He's neck maxing. Did you give him me? No, he's, well, yeah, but I didn't give it to him. He's on it, but like not microdosing, whatever that means like you. He's mega dosing, terra-dosing even. Dosing. Yeah, he's maxing. He's trying to make his neck longer. Oh, how's that going for him? I mean, his neck is a brighter edge, so I guess maybe it's where, I don't know how that works. You would know better than me.

Yeah, neck maxing. I haven't really seen anyone going for more length on their neck, but certainly an interesting one. I have to look into that after the podcast. Right. So you seem, you're autistic, right? Yeah, I'm neurodivergent, yeah. Right. I mean, you seem like a guy who has probably decent self-control when it comes to this stuff. I mean, you're entire life revolves around it. Why do you take me and not just not eat? Well, so the reason for me and this is a prescription from my doctor, right? We're not just using street drugs and a ridiculous context, right, to go out and party. Uh, thank you, sir. I appreciate it. So, see who you get.

Oh, you have an opening. I want you, I want to get the toilet guy. Is this a bomb or something? No. Who did you get? Yes! Awesome. Yes!

Alright, so... It was a one in four. I got... I fucking got it. One in four chance? Yes! That's right. Give it back to me. I want it. Okay, absolutely. Yes, sir. Um, yeah, so the thing about... This is very similar to dextro-enphetamine.

It's just we're taking dextro-omethenphetamine. So that addition of the methyl group to the compound essentially just makes it longer acting, you know, cross the blood-brain barrier a little bit quicker and, you know, give us a little bit more appetite suppression over a longer duration of time. But why don't you just suppress your appetite by not, I mean, just naturally, you know what I mean, instead of taking these medicines? Well, you know, why do anything that's going to give you results quicker, right? So why take TRT, why take steroids?

But it's going to give you a result. You're saying it's going to suppress your appetite. He's not going to make you lose weight. It's just going to help you not lack the self-control, basically, because you're going to give you a result. you're not going to have the urge to do it. If you had enough self-control, you wouldn't need this at all. It won't get you there quicker. You know what I'm saying?

Incorrect, right? So you're going to be allowed to push further into caloric deficit, get leaner quicker. But I'm just saying what I do. What works for me, I'm not advising anyone to do this. I advise people so heavily against stimulant usage. I don't think that people should be taking adderol. I think that the prescription rate of adderol is absurd. And I think it leads people down the wrong path.

So people generally shouldn't be doing drugs. No, no. Absolutely not. Okay, I'm just very open and honest about what I do. Aren't you high on co-que pretty often? Uh, it depends on what you would categorize this often, but from like a normie perspective, probably. Like more than once a week? Yeah, I'd say probably twice, twice a week. Yeah, I mean, that's pretty often.

I mean, I'm not trying to say you're a hypocrite. If you're saying for most people not to do it, then that's good. It's just like, I don't know, that's pretty often. Twice a week, what are you going to, I mean, are you not scared you're going to get addicted? No, I have a lot of self-control and willpower, right? That's why I'm just like, this is what I do. I have strong will, okay? But most fattos out there are unable to control themselves.

You see this with the obesity rates, how gluttonous people are. You know, they can never just have one chicken finger. It's got to be, you know, 20. They can never have one Oreo. They eat the entire box. They can never have one Coke. They need, I don't even know. I don't know what's the example there.

Okay, well, that's probably a good thing. thing that you don't know. Yeah, I'm not high on cook. I've never done cook. I've never drunk alcohol. I'm very sober, but congratulations. That's what I recommend. I think alcohol is one of the most underrated, like, evils of this generation. It's simply due to the fact that people start consumption so early into their life, and it's extremely neurotoxic, it's horrible for your growth pathways, and it really fucks people over. Sometimes even at 14 years old. Yeah, exactly. I mean, that's true. Arguably, alcohol is much worse.

No, I was going to say then taking something like testosterone or human growth hormone at an early age, much more detrimental, and you see it much more commonly. Feeling festive, catch classic holiday favorites like Home Alone, the Santa Claus and Die Hard, along with holiday episodes from Family Guy, Abbott Elementary, and more with Hulu on Disney Plus. From festive Disney flicks to binge-worthy Hulu originals,

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It seems like you didn't even have an example of that. If they're missing their nose, I mean, I don't know. Like, what are we talking about burn victims? No, a guy doesn't have a nose. Sort of looks like Voldermort. I would say that he would definitely be, approaching the sub five looks range without a nose. But isn't it, most people want a small nose?

Isn't that the ideal shape? Small pointed nose? It's a little bit more nuanced than that, but generally, yeah. So isn't it even better if you don't have a nose? If you don't have a nose. Yes. I would say that having a nose is definitely an aesthetic trait, but just not like a big old schnaz, you know?

Yeah, but isn't it you want to take it to the max level? Not necessarily. Is it level 100 here? The max level is no nose. It's all about measurements. It's all about objectivity, right? So falling within the ideal ratios, that's what you're going for. Right?

So you have a good nose. You didn't get the brutal physiognomy of, you know, your genetics. I'm not Jewish, if that's what you're going for. Oh, you're not? I'm not Jewish, no. Oh, okay. I'm related to whatever this thing is. And what is that thing?

I don't know. It looks like he, I don't even know. I'm just so excited that I got him. Kibiti toilet. Because that's what the kids like So I'm going to do a giveaway Let's do it So anybody who comments on this video

Has a chance to win this Give me the toilet figurine Nice Who do you think is the most attractive man in the world The most attractive man in the world I would say that In terms of Harmony percentage

It's like a very objective thing This is not really based on like an opinion of mine would be Matt Bomber scores the highest. Isn't this a little gay? I could see how it would appear that way at first glance, but it's all based on mathematics. So it's not like an attractive... Who do you think is the most attractive man in the world?

Well, I would say that the most mog person... Yeah, when you say it, when you phrase it like that, it does sound a little bit homosexual. But when you just say who moogs the hardest, I would say probably like a Tyler Mayer. this i mean you are this is homosexual on your end no not necessarily no okay fine can you give me your top five most attractive men that you like um well you see your phrasing is a little bit how am i phrasing that uh top five most attractive men who you like the most yeah that's not on your

in your opinion that's definitely homosexual i didn't say anything about homosexual this is objective right well in the way that i'm phrasing it but just how you're asking the question is Okay, fine. Can you give me the top five men that you're most attracted to? Okay, there we go. Go ahead. So you're really doubling down on that. So like I said, it's all mathematics. Like people can sit here and cope. A lot of normies do. Especially a lot of women have been throwing that, you know, name calling around, oh, you're a homosexual because, you know...

I'm not calling you a homosexual. Well, no, I'm just, I'm saying in general, like, people on Twitter will say that. Like, because I've had a lot of viral clubs of me rejecting, like, atrocious-looking women. and having standards for myself, and they'll be like, oh, dude, she's beautiful. You must be a homosexual. And it's like, no, I just have some standards for myself. I like women with a little bit of class. It's the same thing when you start talking about aesthetics, which is all based upon mathematics.

It's like they just throw around homosexual because they don't fall within. You're saying that mathematically there's going to be some guys that you're more attracted to than women. Because the woman is ugly and there can be a man that scores so high in the rating that you're going to be more attracted to him than a very unattractive woman. That's not how it works. That would be how it would work if I was a homosexual, but... I don't understand the difference. You're saying that there's some women... Between you and a homosexual? Well, because we're not talking about sexuality. We're talking about objective numbers. Yeah, I'm saying that somebody is so objectively attractive, even if they're a man, that you'll like them.

It's not necessarily attractive. It's more harmonious. It's probably a better way. But you are attracted to them. No. But they're so harmonious, no? No. That's not necessarily... how it works. I could get how this could be confusing to you, but, um, so we're talking about who falls within a certain set of ideals. I understand, but I'm saying because it doesn't seem like you do it, you're attracted to them. It doesn't seem like you do understand because you're saying that there's an objective set of things that would make somebody attractive. That would make

someone good looking, correct? Yeah, yeah. And I'm saying that because they're objectively good looking, you're attracted to them. That's, that's not correct, because I'm not a homosexual. I know this is hard, but just bear with me. I know, I know you're, the only thing I'm struggling with fear to understand. It seems like you're struggling with the entire premise. No, I get the whole concept, just not the part about you not being a homosexual. No, it really doesn't seem like you get it at all. I get the entire thing about how the look. Listen, it's okay. I know, you know, we're moving quickly here and this is all new concepts. I'm sure most of the viewers don't know, but I'll slow it down for you if you want and we could really get into it and I could. Is this working?

This neck maxing? Yeah. Absolutely. But yeah, no, so like at first glance, like when we lay out all this new information. It kind of like mind fucks people. I could see that's happening to you a little bit. Like you don't really understand. I understand the entire concept. I get the whole thing It just doesn't seem like it. It seems like you're saying one thing, but you're, you know, articulating another. Okay. All articulated and explain it in. There are certain traits that will make somebody objectively good looking. I think you just, you don't get it. So I'll just move on to the next. There are certain traits that will make somebody objectively good looking. Right. So someone could be. Because of that, you're attracted to them. No, no. That's not how

Not, I'm not attracted to them because the traits are objectively good looking, but you are. Someone, no, so you're, so do you want to just tell me what I am for the rest of the podcast? Do you want to tell me that I'm attracted to someone? I was just gathering from the hints you were giving. It's like, that's what it just seemed like. If you're denying it, then that's fine. Well, no, so I mean, like, this is a very basic thing conceptually. I don't know if you're trying to, like, troll or anything, but no.

I'm trying to be, like, genuine and, like, give you an understanding of, like, looks, max and aesthetics. Like, if you want to have, like, middle school level understanding. and just make jokes the whole time. I'm not joking around. We can do that too. Like I might be misunderstanding, I don't know. Well, I love to, you know, fuck around and be rick, but I didn't know if we were doing like a formal thing.

Like if you want me to just like, say here and be all rick. No, do whatever, do whatever he's most natural for you, I would say. Yeah, yeah, I was just trying to, you know, lay it out for your audience, kind of explained a little bit. If somebody offered you $100, but it wasn't until you offered the whole thing before it, how many times do you think it's the one it was and then this one it was and then some? Not the whole thing, though, obviously. though obviously or it. Do you do it or no? Can you repeat the question? If somebody offered you

$100, but it wasn't until he offered the whole thing before it. How many times do you think it's the one it was and then some? Not the whole thing though obviously or it. Do you do it or no? I'm not really sure what you're asking about. Do you do it or no? Like would you do it or would you not do it? What is it? You're going to have to specify that. The thing for $100. We thought, but obviously not the whole thing. But I just need a little bit of clarification on what the thing is. Are you, don't understand? I just need a little bit of clarification.

We'll move on. It's fine. Yeah. Do you mock Marlon, even though he's not black? Is he not black? He's the news to me. But no, he definitely mocks me. He does mock you. Yes, absolutely. But you said he might not because he's black. And I don't know, I can't actually get an answer on if he's black. I've seen different readings here.

Well, obviously he's biracial. Is he? Yeah. But no, he's. He definitely amogs me, yeah. And that was just a joke clip, you know. Right. So you think it is possible that black people can be objectively good looking? Absolutely, yeah. Do you just think it's less likely?

Not necessarily, but, you know, there's a lot of the ratios that might not favor certain people of, like, African descent, especially, like, you know, the nose and some of the, you know, chin and lip projections, like, stuff like that. What about the brain? Well, that's a whole other thing, and that's like a lot of, like, race, realism, stuff that I don't really acknowledge or talk about.

You don't think it's true? Well, she's not something I'm really that well versed on. I haven't done the research, so I couldn't speak on that. But you're not a racist. No. Okay. Why? Why am I not a racist?

Dude, because there are so many things to preoccupy all your neurotransmitters with than hating other groups of people, right? You could do looks maxing. You could think about, you know, doing ms. Like, there's just so many better alternatives than like, oh, what am I going to sit here and hate black people all day? Like that would be a complete waste of time.

That would be... That's such a waste of time. Maybe if there was like an extra... I do think it's better than doing meth, though. Being racist? Yeah, I think the scale is like this is even, this is like just doing normal activity. If there was six hours...

This is being racist and doing nothing and then at the bottom is doing mish. There was an extra six hours that I had And each day, maybe I would consider being racist, just because I would have extra time. But right now, she don't have the time for it. Okay, but you would do meth instead? Like you're more, well, actually, obviously, I mean, what a... Let's do this fucking thing on the camera.

I don't even, it's like a little kid's toy. Yeah, exactly. It's making me look like a joke. I'm 18. Really? Yeah. You're an impressive kid for 18. Is it true that's smashing your face with metal until you have a hematoma makes you more

attractive? Uh, maybe not until you have a hematoma, but, But certainly creating micro fractures along certain bones like, you know, your zygos and, you know, the zygomatic arch can certainly benefit some people aesthetically. But I would not say that you want to cause any like CT or head trauma. But won't it look really attractive if you have a big bump coming out of your forehead? Ah, dude, I don't think so. I think that might not be within the ideals. Why not?

Why not? To have a big protruding lump coming out of your forehead? Yeah, actually, it could be very ideal because then people will treat you better. They might think you have cancer. I think maybe we should experiment on that one. That's like kind of uncharted territories. I can't confidently speak on that one. There's no objectives here yet because nobody's tried it.

Nobody's gone this far. Correct, yeah. Yeah, we should definitely try this. I'm thinking about it. You kind of pilled me on that. There's a pretty easy way to do it. I did it to my body once, not on accident, but also not to make him more attractive. I just slammed the door on his head.

And if you get a straight shot right here, it'll come out like this far. Yeah. So door maxing. Yeah, that should be new looks max. Yeah. Maybe he was sympathy maxing from, like, all the women in the hospital. No, I slammed the door on his head because I was pissed off and he was sleeping. Ah.

He wasn't trying to look better. But actually, people felt bad for him because he had, it kept getting... I mean, I would too. You slammed the door in his face. Well, nobody knew that. I mean, he was, like, barely conscious for, like, the rest of the day. He was like... Oh, shit.

But isn't it... I mean, if people are smashing their heads until they have micro fractures, at some point, this is going to go wrong. Well, no, I wouldn't... Let's have a little bit of clarity here. They're not smashing their heads, right? Because that's ridiculous. You're creating micro fractures in very localized. By smashing your head.

No, no, no, no. It's very localized and very pinpoint and specific. Like this? Well, you want to brace your head, right? Because, you know, all that head trauma is going to occur if you don't have an accurate brace. So what I do is I'll lay down in my bed so that I've got the bracing and I'm able to just, you know, precision, pinpoint, the localized.

Is this a permanent thing? You'll permanently look better? This is just for the night. Yeah, so you'll permanently look better, but that'll take a lot of time to kind of, you know, apply Wolf's Law, but it's more of an immediate, like, you know, ascension with the swelling of the soft tissue. Do you, I mean, is there really actually any women in the world who are to be taken seriously who would only date somebody because their face looks like 3% better because they smashed it

until they had a bunch of micro fractures? Your face either looks good or it looks bad. How you got there. not going to be evidence. Yeah, but this is going to be like the final thing? Like, let's say somebody's genetics can get them to a seven out of ten. This is going to get them to what, like a seven point zero five? Well, uh, how much it can ascend you is going to be, you know, case dependent, you know,

because certain people will benefit from getting wider zygos and certain people won't, right? So that's, that's person to person dependent. I think they should just go for the hematoma because then it's like, maybe they could delude themselves into thinking they're attractive. That'd probably be the best way to, Max. No, they won't even care anymore. They'll just be dead in the hospital or something. Based, yeah. I do agree. Why would your parents... So are you saying that the in-cells should just kill themselves? Um, no, I don't, I think the whole insult culture is like, I, I'm not an in-cell.

I have, I don't talk to women. So, but I'm not an insult. You're a voluntary, voluntarily celibate. Yeah, that's what I would say. Like, I feel like if I went around trying to talk to them, how do you, how do you, how do you know for sure that you're voluntary versus involuntary? I guess it's It's possible that I'm a voluntary celibate who's also, like, would be an in-cell, but... But you can't be both. It's like, you're either an in-cell? Yeah, but I don't know the answer for sure. You're right.

It is one or the other, but... I think you would be able to probably get a girl. I think you do fine. Yeah, I don't know. I think it's just a waste of time. And when it comes to the incels, it's... Based, yeah. It's like, well, your entire thing is based off.

What do you mean based? Like, I agree with you. Like, that's a good point. But your whole thing is based off getting women. Well, what you said about them being a waste of time. And that's not. not my whole thing, right? I just want to mock people. I don't give a fuck about women. You don't even care about picking up women. You just want to look better than other dudes. Well, no, that's

not exactly what I'm saying. I'm saying that it is certainly a waste of time. Do I do it? Am I going to probably do it within the next few days? Go talk to women and waste a bunch of time at bars and stuff? Yeah, I'm going to fucking do it. I'm a young guy. That's, you know, kind of how we operate. But, you know, what I'm trying to get out of these, like, extreme looks maxing protocols is, you know, to basically mug people. That's like my main goal. Hey guys, sorry for the interruption. I have to let you know that today's episode is sponsored by Price Pix.

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Does Long Johnson mock Big Billy? Not quite sure. What about Gop? Not familiar with these terms. And then there's M-LAM. Hmm. Am I, is this like a niche, like part of the internet I need to tap into? I don't understand.

No, these are, I thought, I don't even know how you don't know them. Long Johnson and Big Billy? Sounds like a nickname for a cuck. No, it's a cat. Versus a cat. Versus a cat in a tub. Versus... Maybe another cat in a tub.

Yeah? I might have to look those up on Urban Dictionary. You better not be fucking lying to me about those. No, that's literally what it is. I mean, well... Okay. If you say so, if you say so. But do you think I'm lying to you?

Yes. So who do you think Mogs, Long Johnson, or Big Billy? Ah, dude, I couldn't say I'd say that definitely be a toss-up What about Gop? Ooh, I would put him in third place, for sure Because I named him third? Probably, yeah, I've got no idea

The context of any of this Okay, I want to grab something We have a little game I want to play with me What's that? So I have some photos here of some different people. And I wanted you to rate them objectively. Oh, God.

And tell me if they're good looking, if they're not good looking. This is my least favorite bit, but we'll do it. Why is that? I got you. I'll do it for you. You came all the way to Florida. So. Why don't you like this?

Well, it just gets overwhelming, right? Every time I go to a fucking, you know, bar or whatever, a thousand, you know, drunk, cooked up fucking kids. Can you rate me, Klov? Can you rate me? It just gets overwhelming. Well, I'll do it. I'll do it. Okay, but you have to make this objective, okay?

This spikes my quarters, though. Not a lot does, but this gets me stressed out. I would say, you want me to hold it up? Yeah. And then you can rate this person. I think that's actually no homo, a very attractive guy. Yeah, I think this guy mocks I think we should all be aiming for this

Look with the synthol I think I might go do my My synthol injections after this Because look at his, look at he's like His shoulders there Yeah This guy kind of looks like a rich piano Kind of looks like you, don't you think?

A little, I wish, dude I wish I look like this guy Okay, so out of the rating Goes up to 7 I believe, right? It goes up to 8 on the PSL scale But we could do the decile thing No, let's do PSL PSL, I would give this guy

about a maybe a 2.5 PSL. 2.5? How does anybody expect to get a decent rating if that guy's just a 2.5? Well, I don't know. It looks like this guy has fucking bee stings all over his shoulders. And he's not exactly the greatest looking facially either. It's just a

sad case of autism essentially. You know? This is when you get not autism. Autism You know, we'll really get you. He was hard maxing. Yeah, I know, but he was a re-shut about it. You want to be an autist about your hard maxes. There's like a very clear distinction, you know?

But this guy mocks, all right? Okay, so next one. So that guy is a 2.5. That's a ridiculous rating. Is it, is it really ridiculous? I mean, take a look at this guy. I give him a six. This guy is six?

That's a Chad light. A Chad light? I don't know, dude. That's pretty fucked. A six? You know what? Fuck it. Okay.

The next one. This guy might, this guy might even be more attracted than the last one. Okay. Black Stephen Hawking. Wow. Take a look at this one. I feel like he ascended from like becoming black in this photo, do you think?

I don't think that Stephen Hawking. It kind of looks like it. I think he's also just disabled. I'm pretty sure that's a black edited version of Stephen Hawking. No, he's a real guy, Mr. Hawking. Hawking? Huh? Hawking?

What's this? That's the guy's name. Hawking. Hawking. Yeah. Out of... This is Stephen Crippen, I think. Yeah.

So what do you... Yeah. Well, Stephen Hawker. What's the guy's name? I don't even remember the... Deshawn Walker? I don't even know. Let's just call him Deshawn.

What does he get? I would say that he definitely ascended from, you know, the change in phenotype. So I'm going to give this guy maybe like a 3 PSL. That's it? That's it. You have, that guy, okay, don't bullshit around. This is more attractive than this? The guy filled with oil?

Yeah, maybe facially a little bit, but it's certainly close. Neither of them are good looking. Here's the next one. Sigma Frog. Well, that's obviously Gigacad. I mean, this goes without saying. I don't know what is above Chad, but... This is like, well, I mean, this is like a rhetorical question, I feel like,

What PSL is this? It's obviously eight. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, so. Glad we're on the same page. Yeah. That's long neck. He's trying to look like him.

He's coming. No, I feel like he should try to mug him, not look like him. He's almost there. Let's take a look. Not really. What do you give long neck? I give long neck. Also, I'm probably going to give him 2 PSL.

Two, that's it? Yeah. Well, actually, that's accurate, I would say. Yeah. Lick here, wow. That's interesting. It's kind of a disgusting human. Yeah.

Okay, then the last one. Last one. Oh. Why do you give this guy? It's not exactly a great photo of me. I don't know. That's not you. This must have been a night after drinking or some shit.

No, that's not you. Imagine I fucked up my brain so bad from all the bone smashing. This is what I actually look like. like and I'm tripping. That's not you. I mean, maybe that could happen one day. Okay, my bad, my bad. This guy,

who, definitely like a 2.5 or 3 PSL. That's it? Uh, maybe 3.25. So not counting the frog because it's obviously not fair. He's number one. Out of all of these people, who's number one? Who's number one? Hmm.

No, that guy's very bad facially. Um, hmm. that's a really hard one let's see can you pass these back to me yeah sure I mean feel free to take them and how you like okay I didn't exactly do

I think it's I think it's the guy with oil in his head you think so yeah because you're saying he's not attractive facially take in mind by the way that he's a little bit bloated because he probably just had oil well yeah I mean but not it's like a car not his face

I mean, he would definitely be the best looking if he were to be at a reasonable body fat and we're comparing him to a guy who's like a paraplegic who's got no control over his muscles. I think he's the lowest. I would say that arguably he would be more attractive if he had a little bit of control over his, you know,

muscles potentially. He could definitely beat up this guy. But this is if and Watson Woods, but he doesn't. But yeah, right now, right now out of all these people, who would perform the best in the sexual market value probably would be this comical clown right here but yeah no so in terms of I think you're jealous of him

I think that's why you're being so negative towards the oil guy you got me there you keep calling him a clown but let me tell you something where that guy's from probably they think that that shit looks like so cool where do you think he's from probably not the smartest place the IQ over there is probably like 60

but it doesn't matter because over there he's like that makes it easier to get chicks No, because they all want to look like this, but none of them can afford the oil. Yeah. Even though it's probably, that's where the oil comes from. So what do you think they're doing in there? Like gutter oil? No, this guy probably has the money to afford the oil.

That's what separates him. Okay, yeah. And then there's the frog. Brutal money pill right there. Yeah. Would you treat a homeless man better if he was extremely attractive? I think that everyone would. That's called the halo effect, right?

So people who are homeless or people who are good looking, sorry, are going to get opportunities that they're, you know, not... I'm asking about you personally. Well, it would be a subconscious thing. It's not really something that people have control over. It's just a subconscious bias. That's, you know, essentially... I feel like you can try to be conscious about that, though.

Especially if you know that it's normally a subconscious thing. Well, I'm someone who's able to identify, you know, these biases because I understand the black pill. But, you know, maybe Normies would just do it subconsciously and not realize why. Do you think it's better to be on the black pill or ignore me? I would say that the black pill is a blessing and a curse because it gives a lot of people severe body dysmorphia, ruins them socially, and it could be hugely detrimental to people's mental health, but it is a necessary truth, right? You have to acknowledge hard truths no matter what they do to you, no matter what the consequences are, instead of living in fantasy land, essentially. It's easy to live in fantasy land.

That's why the blue pill exists. Like, who doesn't want to just... Who makes better refrigerators? Bosch or World Pool? Well, I don't know, but ignorance is blessed. You know, the commonly, you know, saying, it's kind of how it works. Bosch or World Pool. If you were to buy a refrigerator?

Bosch or World Pool. World Pool. World Pool. Or Bosch. I feel like Whirlpool sounds a little better. Fridge manufacturing. What is this like a secret, like, terrorist organization or something that I just... No, that's the name.

names of the people who produce refrigerators. Ah, okay. I didn't know if that was a gotcha moment. What's the gotcha? That you don't know about refrigerators? I guess not. I guess I got you there. That wasn't really the intent of it.

Is the stereotype the black people have darker skinned and white people true? And is it racist? Is the stereotype true? I think I'd have to do a little bit of research on that one and get back to you. But I'd say it's possible. I don't want to confidently say. Is it a racist stereotype? There are some racist stereotypes like, you know, maybe this group of people is more dangerous.

And then there's some true stereotypes like Asians eating dogs. Well, you know, the production of melanin as an adaptation for black people that could be racist. I feel like a lot of evolution is racist. So maybe it is. Right. Some of them might have actually not wanted the melanin. Maybe not. Yeah.

It kind of just like was pulled upon them by. Is that like a white person? Dude, that's just like an evolution pill, a science pill, if anything. How could they become white? Is that part of hard maxing? How can they become white? Before they go out every night, they paint themselves white? I'm sure that's been done before by some crazy lunatic, but a lot of the differences between white people and black people are not only pigment related, right?

So that's why you can easily identify someone who's... I'm pretty shocked that you're like autistic or neurodivergent. sound incredibly normal. Thank you. I appreciate it. Like, I wouldn't have guessed that to be completely honest. Well, yeah, I'm pretty sociable of a guy, but, you know, that doesn't mean I'm like the most normal person. No, but I'm saying you just speak in such a way and about subjects that it's like, wow, this guy isn't completely normal? Well, like, there you go. And a world full of lies, the truth just sounds like, you know, a little bit different, I guess. But, right. Why are people about it, Dr. Klav, for injecting a 17-year-old girl's face with fat dissolver?

Well, because they don't realize how low the risk profile is for doing something like an aquilux, right? This can't cause any vascular occlusion. So the worst that really could happen if you were to do something like Nick Avain is just slight bruising. Like, it's extremely, extremely safe to do aquilux. Yeah, but by that argument, couldn't you also just do it to like a 10-year-old and the same effect would still apply? Well, someone who's 10 years old is going to have their facial fat redistribute a lot of times and go through a lot of lipogenesis throughout their years. Couldn't you say the same about a 17-year-old?

Maybe not as much as a 10-year-old, but... Yeah, certainly. I mean, it's a little bit early in life to be doing certain things like that, but... So maybe don't do it in the future? Well, the risk profile is so low where it's not really that big of a deal. I just wouldn't want to personally go through all the swelling phase from the aquilux, you know, the oil sitting in your cheeks, similar to this guy right here. Just for the lipogenesis to occur once again.

So you were trying to make your girlfriend look like this guy? Not my girlfriend, but... Whoever it was, that girl that you were with, you wanted her to look like him? That makes sense. Yeah, exactly. He's a pretty good-looking guy. And you said that you were explaining earlier that some good looks are about... But you're also like not subjectively. You're personally attracted to men like that, right?

Oh, men like this? Yes. I feel like who wouldn't be? Look at this. I'm not because I'm not gay, but it's like if I was, I don't know. Yeah, this would be your choice? Who would you choose out of the photos right here? Objectively, the best looking is the guy with the oil. If you were homosexual, who would you choose? Because you're you're not. I'm not a homosexual, no. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, no, not the black like also not long neck I think long necks this guy is not a homosexual remember but anyway and then this is just a picture of you

oh that was a picture of me no it's not and so obviously the answer is the guy with the oil yeah but I mean this is are we counting the frog or it's not fair no that's not fair that's just makes it too easy

yes what would be more convincing to a woman a PSL rating of Seven or a loaded shot on? More convincing to a woman? I would say that a rating of 7 PSL, probably. More than a loaded shot on? Arguably.

I think you're going to need a truth max because that's not right. If you go out into a bar with the and you're telling the woman to get into your car. I just don't think that you've ever experienced 7 PSL before. I think you'd be very shocked. I don't...

What PSL do you think that you are? I don't rate myself. That's one thing. I'll never do because that just makes the whole thing feel like somewhat narcissistic and I don't want to ever have that illusion, you know? I feel like I've seen people who are 7 PSL online according to your standards and there's no way they're more convincing than a sh**. Like who would you say is an example of that?

The frog. The frog? I don't know, dude. The frog walks into a bar and he tells a girl to go home with him. I'd say that's probably as convincing as, you know, maybe someone like this guy going in with a loaded sh**. I feel like they might just grab it out of his hand and, you know, clock him in the head with it.

A woman would do that? No way. Against this guy? This, what are they going to do? This guy would like, if you see a guy like this walk into a bar with a sh**? It's like, you try to get him to shoot you before he, like, shoots your leg and tries to eat you. I would say, I would say it's worth a discussion.

That's definitely worth, like, and a question in, like, a presidential plate. Yeah. Yeah. There should definitely be like a sit down of, like, a black pill counsel to figure that one out. Is you true that if you're true that if you're. you're attractive enough, you can turn into a wasp? You can turn into a wasp? I haven't experienced that, so I...

So you're just not attractive enough of that? Yeah, that's what I was about to say. Maybe. Maybe I keep looks maxing. I'll have an answer for you. And is this something that you can do voluntarily, or does it just happen randomly? Well, like I said, I'm not... Do you get to control this? I'm not attractive enough to where I've got to experience that pleasure turning into a wasp.

But maybe this is something you can figure out? I'm trying to get there. Hopefully after my double jaw surgery, I'll be able to let you know about that. Is that a joke that you're going to do that? Or you're really going to get a double jaw surgery? I'm really going to get a double jaw surgery. But isn't your face going to have to be wrapped up for many months? Not many months.

Certainly a couple of weeks. There's going to be severe swelling. But actually just met a girl the other night who had a double jaw surgery and was two months post-stop. And you really couldn't even notice at all that she had any work done. So that was kind of a white pill, kind of reassuring that it's really not that bad. And what age did you decide that you were going to get double jaw surgery? I decided in April of 2020. Also, recently, I mean, yeah, I don't know.

You don't think that it's risky that it's going to fuck your face up? Well, there's risk and everything, right? There's always going to be risk, but with risk comes, you know, higher reward. So that's why I'm saying that I've weighed out all the pros and the cons, and I've realized that this is the way to go. It's more likely to you that it will go well than not. Correct. Yeah.

And I don't really think that if I'm looking at the entire picture, that there's anything that could go wrong even if it was at a detriment to me aesthetically. I think what it's going to do for my social media virality. Now, this is not the reasoning, just to clarify that I decided to go this route. You're saying that you're going to go viral

because your face looks like it exploded if it goes wrong? Well, yeah, could be. You know? So there's really no, there's really no lose in this scenario. Yeah, I feel like there is. I feel like if it goes wrong, you'll go viral and then... Do you think I'll go more viral if it goes right or if it goes wrong. If it goes wrong, but I don't think it's going to be a sustainable thing to stay that viral. That's probably true. Yeah. Well, I think it's going to go right. Okay, I wouldn't have

ever decided to go that route just based off of virality. I've done extensive research on, you know, plastic surgery. And this is something that not a lot of people even know about when they're commenting, you know, oh, this is crazy. It's like you've probably never heard of, you know, some of these osteotomy, some of these cuts until I mentioned them. So for you to speak on it just seems a little bit ridiculous. Yeah, it's like you don't even know what you're talking about. Listen to me, I'm on me. But I'm actually on a week break.

I'm on cuck now. Well, no, I haven't actually really been doing as many drugs recently. Okay. I haven't even been drinking caffeine as much. When was the last time that you were on a drug? Why I did do my laundry like a few days ago? So I had to do a line to get that in the wash. Yeah, so I mean, you just said it was a little while since you last did it.

I mean, what, like two days ago? It was a long time for that. A little while ago, it's like, it's been like 12 hours, you know? Right. More than 12 hours. I think it's a little while. I mean, you seem like a nice guy and extremely normal. But I feel like it's unfortunate because you're doing all of these normal ways to go about looks maxing,

but for whatever reason, you're probably just going to have a heart attack. Yeah, that's the thing about co-bion that's so risky is you could just have a heart attack or a heart arrhythmia, like, on the spot and die, it doesn't matter if you're perfectly healthy because of how dangerous the, you know, drug profile is. Whereas, it's extremely cardio-toxic with the vaso-constriction, but it's over a long period of time. So you're kind of slowly detrimenting yourself. But, yeah, with the c-fuck, you can just go like that.

But it becomes safer when you do it, like, the way you're doing it, where you do both at the same time. Well, yeah, that's arguably the worst thing that you could do. Roppers make so much money. Why don't you become a rapper and make so much money? Well, because I'm not black. There's some white rappers, like... None that are good.

Eminem was pretty good. Not anymore, maybe, but... Nah, I don't think he was ever good. He was pretty good back in the day. Yeah, but there's some other ones. It doesn't even matter if you're good. I mean, they're successful and they make so much of money. I guess.

I mean, I don't really think I could really rap that well. I might have to practice and get back to you. It could be like an undiscovered talent of mine. But don't you already have any advantage because you're willing to say the N-word especially online, so you could kind of almost sound like a black rapper? No, because the N-word is just like, it doesn't really make or break a rapper.

I don't really think it's that necessary. I think if a black rapper wasn't willing to say the N-word, it might not be helpful for him. Yeah, it definitely go against him. And if a white rapper did it, it's like he's going to get a lot of virality. Yeah, but like I've already got that from streaming. And I don't even mean...

You have a boost right now. Imagine if you... But dude, that's the thing, like, I don't even mean to, like, do it as a way to be an edge lord or anything It's just like, it's just casual conversation that occurs. Like, I'm not... Right. Same with me. Yeah, right, exactly.

I hate when people say, like, can you say it? It's like, it feels equivalent to, can you do the thing? It's like, dude, I'm not doing that for you, you know? What will you do when you become old and your looks are no longer relevant? Well, hopefully I have able to establish myself, you know, with my status and hopefully wealth that maybe I could rely on those metrics. as opposed to looks. Do you think those are generally more important

than looks or no? I would say that looks will probably get you further and the extent of wealth and status that you need to be able to compete with some of the top percentile people in terms of looks is outrageous. You know, like even making a million dollars a year, putting yourself into like the top 0.75%

of the United States, you know, that's really not going to allow you to outcompete someone who's like a seven PSL guy who's making fuck all money you know and just it's it's outrageous of a disparity but they're certainly all important i would argue that the people who would i mean i it just depends on who you're even trying to get with like it wouldn't matter the guy with the money can hire a lot of hookers, no? Yeah, well, I mean, you don't even really need a lot of money to get certain escorts. It's like usually about 125 bucks an hour. You knew that off the top right there. That was quick. Of course, yeah. Is that something

you've done before? I've never gotten an escort myself, but I do know these, these numbers from looks max. Oh, this is like a popular. Yeah, escort maxing is a way to escape in cell dome, but I don't really think that it counts as like. Yeah, I don't think that counts either. Yeah, it's like it's cheating. Yeah. Yeah, escort maxing was a popular one back in the day. Is Mr. Beast the Antichrist? Yes. Go ahead.

Mr. Beast is a textbook sociopath. I don't really think that he cares whatsoever about any of the causes. Once that camera turns off, I think his big old smile goes dark in a second. I think it's very predictable that, you know, he acts the way he acts based on some of the things I've heard behind closed doors. just, I don't really think that he's someone who genuinely cares. I think he's a very corporate-minded individual. And people will come on and say, well, he's done 100 times more for people than you have. But it's like, yeah, but I'm not sitting here pretending like I'm, you know, building wells in Africa.

Like, I'm not pretending to be some virtuous, you know. Right, why didn't he build those wells in England? Right, yeah, exactly. I mean, it's turning into the third world again, so he might as well. Yeah. Take it back to... And it's like, you know what, this guy clearly needs food and Mr. Beast has never helped him. So it's like, does Mr. Beast even care about Longneck who's the next guest in five seconds?

In five seconds. Maybe five minutes, I guess he's on the way right now. Oh, wow. Good stuff. You really got him fucking lined up. Yeah, I have Longneck coming in right after. Okay. Okay, well, thanks for coming on.

That's it. I have to film with Longneck in five minutes. Absolutely. Well, thank you.