The Matan Show - Matan Kicks Out Degenerate Furry Mid Interview

Episode Date: August 23, 2026

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Hello, everybody. Welcome back to the podcast for today's guest. We have a furry. Welcome in. Thanks for coming. Hello, hello. Please take a seat in the middle. Oh, geez. Do I put this thing up towards me? Yeah, yeah, just, you know, pull it close to, you know, whatever that thing is. And just make sure to talk real loud so the audio will pick you up. I gotcha, yeah. For today's co-host, we have Mike. Please welcome in Mike.

So if you can pull the mic close to your mouth and then introduce yourself to anybody who might not know you. And then also maybe introduce yourself or introduce what a furry is as well. Sure. I'm jazz estheticoon. And, yeah, I'm a big old raccoon. Furry is just somebody who likes anthropomorphic animals, like animals that walk and talk. That's about it. It's pretty vague.

Animals are what? Walk and talk. So, but humans, right? Basically, humanoid animals, yeah. Is that like a scientific term or that's like a term within the crazy community? It's, yeah, no, I mean, like, you want me to elaborate what a furry is? Sort of, yeah, just so I can understand better. I mean, we...

I probably have, like, a baseline understanding, but some people might even have less than that. Like, Zootopia could be considered, like, furry, or, like, anthropomorphic-type animals. But aren't they actually animals in the movie? I mean, but they walk and talk. I don't think a normal animal does. Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah. Okay.

And how did your parents react when you told them you thought you were a blue dog? My dad likes it. He likes it? Yeah, my mom couldn't care less. So they're actually supportive over this? I mean, I don't know if I would say supportive. I think they just are indifferent, which is fine with me. I feel like it would be a little weird if they're like supportive and like going to conventions with me and stuff.

No, I don't mean like that. I'm saying they didn't kind of subdued you per se, but give you a big punishment for something like this? No, no, no. Because I feel like if I, you know, I don't have any kids, but I feel like if my kid said, I mean, I'm an answer to a Mordic, Mordi, whatever, Blue Raccoon, I feel like there'd be a big issue in my household. I mean, it's just a costume you take on and off. There's nothing too crazy about it.

I see. Okay. And, I mean, how old were you when? How old are you now and then how old were you when you started? I am, I'm 28 right now. Okay. I'm a little unc furry. But I was like 17 when I got into it.

And how old is 28 in raccoon years? They'd probably be dead, actually. So you're living a long time. Maybe time is actually going to come up for you soon. Time's definitely coming up. Yeah. I mean, hopefully, for the best of humanity. Yeah.

And do you think if you went to China, they might get confused and try eating you? I don't know if they have, do they have raccoons in China? They might not. As food? Yeah. I mean, the fact that you can kind of eat dogs there would represent. Because that's like the number one no. Yeah.

So a raccoon is like probably super allowed, if not promoted. Probably. It's like a delicacy. I feel like it probably wouldn't taste very good, but I know they kind of eat things that don't taste very good sometimes. Have you tried raccoon? I have not. It probably tastes like garbage. Why?

It's the same as you every other animal. No. They only eat really garbage and stuff. So you eat trash also? Well, you know, I'll eat the in-and-out wrapper with my burger sometimes on accident. But do you ever go out of your way and just start eating from people's trash cans? I feel like I'm a little above that one. Why?

It's sort of for your cosplay, you know what I mean? That's true, but it's a little hard to eat when I'm cosplaying. You know, you can't eat? There's no like... I mean, there's a hole in the mouth, but I mean... That's what I'm saying, so you... You're going to smear it all over the suit. Yeah, but most raccoons aren't super clean.

You know, you look at their face a lot of the time. They actually have like a bunch of dust all over the shoes. By that metric, I should also be very fat, as raccoons are typically very fat. Yeah, well, that's unpractical. You know what I mean? You can't get fat also. You're already disadvantaged by dressing like this, so you have to stay in shape at least. That is true. I think you should try it. Imagine how scary that would be for somebody if at 1 a.m., they saw you eating their trash.

I feel like if you see a fur souter at 1 a.m. you're already scared. Well, if you were eating my trash, I might shoot you. Oh. Well, that's what I'm trying to avoid. I'd like to live past. But that probably happens to raccoons also. Then again, it's like more so into the cosplay. You'll go out like one too. Most definitely.

Do you think the reason you behave like this is because you grew up around too much mold? You know, that came later in life, so I don't think so. The mold came later in life, yeah. And when did that come in? I used to work a job where there was a lot of mold in the building and probably didn't do very good. Probably when you were like, you said you started at 17, so that must have been at like 15. This was like four years ago. Four years ago. Holy shit.

And, you know, I only got this in the last two and a half years, so maybe it did have something to do with it. This suit. This suit. So what were you dressed as like before? You just painted your face? No, I do. No, I'm not four years old. I would actually argue the painting.

The face is an improvement upon this. Oh. Oh. No, I just used to dress up in like a big outfit, like not like a furry outfit. Like a dog costume, just like what you can buy at Walmart? It was like this pattern that's on my face. It was that, but like an entire outfit. higher outfit. Oh, so it was, this is a different thing. The head and the body here is separate.

Yes. And your other one was one thing. Well, no, it was just like a jacket and like sweatpants. Oh, so much cheaper. This is like high level shit. It was born on a budget. How much does this cost? This is actually a good deal. This was about $3,500. That's a great deal. It's a great deal for a custom, you know, custom fitted. That's actually way better than I thought. 3500 bucks, that's like nothing. That's only like. Well, that's if you shop around and, you know, it's like buying a car. If you go to the dealership, you're going to get a car yeah except you don't you're not able to travel anywhere people actually probably won't even let you on the bus actually actually actually I've been on a bus with this really yeah I've been on a plane with this on a plane with this on or in a

big bag but people do it they they go on the plane full suit you can go through TSA like this that's there's no way that's true that's true they make me take off my shoes there you're not going to go through TSA with a big dog I mean they can see your dick I mean they could see you straight through this well sure and they still make you take off your shoes that is true you know what I mean but back to the mold thing maybe you grew up around a bunch of mold you just didn't know it because most can really fuck with your brain oh big time where did you grow up in LA Orange County Orange County yeah near Disneyland there's a lot of like fruit

there a lot of oranges maybe they got molded you live next to something like that I did not I lived in a very normal neighborhood normal neighborhood yeah so then how did something like this happen to you like how did I get into the free thing If not for most. Well, I used to shit on furries a lot. And then I made fun of them. Yeah, I made fun of them.

And then I wanted to, like, infiltrate their community to, like, make fun of them more. And then I started talking with them. I was like, oh, these people are actually kind of, they're kind of cool, actually. Yeah. I like them and I like the art. So you were like online. Like, look at these crazy people who spent $3,500 on this. It was like a slippery slope type of thing.

Yeah. Yeah, that's interesting. I mean, if you could go back in time, I'm sure you wouldn't have done that. right? I would totally do it. Again? Oh, I love it. It's the best.

I thought maybe you might have viewed it as like some sort of addiction. Well, no, not really. Addiction, I don't think I'm addicted to wearing this thing. It's like 400 degrees in here. But generally, like, you know, going to these conventions. Oh, it's fun. It's a good time. Is this just an elaborate scheme to have sacks with your dog?

No, I don't want to have sacks with my dog. But you must admit that a lot of furries probably do want to have sacks with their dogs. I would hope not. The people that do are hushed out pretty fast. They can shun out from the furry community? They do, yeah. We do not like that. That is not good.

I mean, why don't they just keep it to themselves at that point? You don't need to spread that info around. You know, they like to brag. I mean, it's like the P. Elite, you know, they like to put the NAMBA logos all over the place. It's the same thing with furies. So you've met other furies who do have s with their dogs? Or, you know, I guess if some furry owned a raccoon or something.

I would hope they wouldn't f*** a raccoon. That's crazy. Why? But that's gross. I mean, it's small. They're not that big. It's a good argument. I mean...

That's horrible. I mean, dog is terrible, too, but geez. But dog is better. You're picking up roadkill off the ground. It's like kind of the opposite of the eating thing. Yeah. It'd be better to eat a raccoon than a dog, but then for the other thing, it'd be better. I don't think that anyone's better.

It's both bad. It's just very, I mean, both depraved. But if you're taking roadkill off the ground and fucking it, that's some sense. Well, Roadkill implies it's dead. I'm sure for a lot of these people, that kind of killed the whole thing. Oh, Christ. Why would you want to have a dead raccoon? Man, it's not my thing. I don't know. Well, me neither, but I'm sure you have thought about it more than me. I have not thought about it more than me. That's a lie. That's allowed.

This is not something that comes into my mind. Yes, it is. And do you ever wash your suit or do you just go around smelling like shit all of the time? Do I smell like shit? Not as bad as I thought you would. Yeah, no, I keep it fresh. Not amazing. Not amazing. Oh, no.

Well, it is a hot day today. I'll say this. You smell way better than the Clippers' mascot. That guy smells like complete shit. Yeah, I would believe. I mean, there's definitely first-sitters who... You spend a lot of money on this thing. You want to take care of it.

You want to wash it. But there are some people who didn't get that memo. Well, they spend a lot of money on it. But, I mean, more than likely, these are not particularly hygienic or normal people. You know, the ones that go outside are pretty hygienic. They're fine, typically. It's the ones that are online that only stay online. Like only online for instance?

What would be the point of it? They like the art and stuff. The art? Yeah, like the art community and they like the VR chat and all that stuff. And you play VR chat as well? No, I just do this in... You only do the in-person stuff. Correct, yeah.

I don't have time for that. And do you make any money from this? No, it's pure love of the game. Oh, God. Hey, guys, sir for the interruption. Have to let you know that today's episode is sponsored. sponsored by Rumble Wallet. What would you do if your bank told you no, that's where Rumble Wallet comes in?

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But I don't feel like they even know. Where do you work? I don't want to say where I work. Maybe not like a specific thing, but like what type of industry? Power infrastructure. Power infrastructure? Yes. Okay.

That's actually like kind of a complicated job probably, right? It's, yeah. Can we know what company? No. But then people can reach out. Maybe they'll want to work with you. They'll find me on LinkedIn. Your boss might actually give you a raise.

Imagine if people started calling and they asked for their raccoon to show up. Yeah, I want jazz the raccoon to. Yeah, can we have jazz the raccoon show up and he's $3,500 soon? there's you try to fix my power line there you go yeah is this a government job or no no it's not okay so what do you do you like fix wires no I I do everything but touch the power pulls so what is so what does that entail design work quality control also like kind of on paper stuff you're not the one going and actually doing stuff in person correct yeah okay and how does that and how well does

that pay it's not bad it's not bad yeah could you afford one of these per month yes so actually I actually have two you go for two of these per month no I have two of I have two of these suits oh you have two different one in case one gets old you have the other four thousand dollars suit correct yeah and which one was more expensive is that one also 35 this one's actually probably gonna end up being more expensive okay the other one is is really nice I see I like this one more me this is more normal you know you don't want to create people out right yeah you don't want to walk around you know you know you know

furry costume and then people look at you and think that guy's crazy. You want them to be like, that guy's probably completely normal. I like doing that. You want them to think you're crazy. I do a lot of public fur sitting. Like just with other furies or you just walk around like this by yourself and scare the shit out of little kids and dogs, I guess. Yeah, with other furries, you typically go out with just like a group of like two or three

people. A group. So you're kind of like, this is like targeted harassment on communities. I mean, some communities view it like that. So you usually scope them out first. you avoid that kind of stuff. Oh shit. Ignore that.

Okay. Do you think you'll ever wake up one day and be like, holy shit, what the fuck am I doing with my life? You know, that's a common occurrence. But really? It is, yeah. But we just need a big enough wake-up. Well, I mean, the wake-up hasn't come because I'm still having a great time and I'm still having a good career and stuff. So, I mean, it's like what the fuck is going on?

but I'm enjoying what's going on. No, you misinterpreted what I meant. I mean, like, holy shit, what the hell am I doing? I need to get the fuck out. I need to actually become serious. I'm 28 years old, and I'm dressed like a disgusting animal that eats people's trash. Yeah. And every Sunday, I spend my time targeting communities.

No, you know, it's like, people don't typically leave this community. Like, once you hear you're in there, you're in there. Yeah, it's like the CIA. I see. Yeah. But it's probably relatively new, though, right? Furry stuff? Like, it's not been a.

around for like 60 years or has it? Oh, it has, yeah. He's been around for a long time? It has, yeah. Okay, I see. You know, some people are negative about it, and I probably don't have the most positive view, but who am I to judge besides a normal person judging a crazy person?

Yeah. So I am somebody to judge, just, you know, I try to be respectful about it. You know, it's just, I wouldn't call you a rick or anything like that. Gotcha. Well, I mean, maybe I'm a little ricketed, but. Oh, you are? No, well, maybe. I mean, I'm wearing a $3,500 raccoon suit, so.

Oh, that's completely normal. You think that's what, you think that billionaires don't do that? You think Elon Musk and Bill Gates don't dress like this? I can see, I can see, a really bad argument because those are not normal people. I was just going to say, yeah. That was actually a really bad argument on my head. They actually might be crazier than you. Oh, but most definitely.

I mean, we're not doing brute rituals or anything like that. Yeah, I guess on a scale of like normally, it's like bachshund rituals. and then furry, a little bit lower. Well, black ritual, peckhs, I feel like furry's a little down here. I feel like black rituals is more insane than pachshundas, right? I feel like they're... That's way more common. To do bloc rituals, you probably got to be a pretty high-level guy.

That's what we're talking about. We're talking about high-level people. Yeah, but a p-b-a-old guy is not a high-level guy. I mean, you look at the videos of them getting caught online. A lot of the time, they're furries. No. Come on. I only know of one

No, there's two There's two Yeah, there was two You gotta give it to me There's only two How many people? How many furries are there in like this community? There's a lot There's thousands

There's definitely more Like if you look at this on a percentage basis Furries are much more likely to be Pachos than an average person Oh, I don't think so Yeah, oh yeah There's probably If there's like 2% of

I don't know the actual stats on it But if 2% of people were Pffatiels I would say that there's like maybe a 40 times increase for furies. I feel like you're conflating furries with like the anime community. I mean,

it's a very similar community. They got the l**y stuff. I mean, they're just like normalized that like the and stuff. Yeah, that's not good. I'm just saying you guys are much closer to that community than like.

We don't normalize stuff like that. That's not it is. You're just an advanced version, I guess. An advanced version of an anime? Of a furry. Oh. I don't know. I'm saying you personally.

I've been around the block. Well, assuming you're not lying. I guess if you were a pachshire or you had sex with you, dog, you probably wouldn't tell me. I have no interest in either one of those things. So you say. That's what somebody who would do that stuff would say. Unless it was legal, but unfortunately for you. I don't even want to do if it's legal.

I'm not going. That's just not my, I mean, why would I want to fuck a dog? You tell me. I don't know. I mean, I don't know why you'd want to fuck a dog. I could think of reasons if I'm being honest I mean I could think of reasons See that's what I mean

If you're gonna pretend you can't think of reasons Then you're probably a liar Listen no it's just What the hell See I got you there It's like when you see those people I saw a picture of a guy on Twitter the other day He had like a shirt

He went to a children's birthday party And he wore a shirt that's like K-all peckos It's like when you're doing stuff like that It's like that's suspicious Yeah it's performative to say you can't think of the reason you'd want to have sacked with a raccoon. I'm not post on my Instagram.

I'm like, kill all zoos, even though, you know, I'm not a fan of them. But you're saying I can't think of a single reason I'd want to have s'x with the dog.

No, I don't want to fuck a dog. Me neither, but I could think of reasons. You're being performative by saying you can't. What's your reason? I don't have a reason,

but I could. You just said that you had reasons. I could think of some for somebody who would want to, like maybe they can't report it to the police. Oh, that's bad. It's a good point, though. It is a good point,

But it's a good point. You're not really at stake. Yeah. You don't have to do the whole game where you take them on a date and then drug them. Yeah, I guess so. You can get straight to the point and they might even enjoy it. Yeah. No, I don't.

Come on, man. No. Do they? Do they enjoy it? Yeah. Being raped? Dogs. No.

Are you saying this from your own personal experience? No, they don't. And that makes it all the better for you, I'm sure. Uh, I don't know, man. I don't like where this is going Okay, we'll move on Okay Why do I get a stomach egg

After eating 4,000 calories worth of egg whites At 3 in the morning Well, that's like a rich piano diet It's very healthy It's yeah, I mean it tastes like shit It's eggs, they taste like eggs Egg whites? You like egg whites?

I mean, what do you cook your eggs And then remove the egg whites? No, but without the yolk, it tastes like shit It tastes like an egg white Kind of actually tastes like nothing really Yeah, basically. Doesn't taste bad. I mean, 4,000 calories of it can be a little annoying, but, you know, that's why I take a bunch of sleeping pills before.

There you go. But then I start feeling bad and feeling achy, and I'll wakey, and I'll wake up in the middle of the night, and I'll almost die. Shit yourself, probably. Way beyond that. Yeah. I had to go to the hospital the other nights. Oh, geez. Oh, wow.

At least you got your protein intake. Yeah, they said what happened. I said, I almost became the strongest man in the world. That's true. If you do that again, you're probably going to do that. going to die. You get like two, you get to do two of those in your life. Oh, okay. So it's like a cat. No, they have nine, but you got two.

Yeah, two times you get to do 4,000 calories of egg whites. There you go. In one shot after a bunch of sleeping pills. When are you doing the second one? Probably if I end up like you, one day I'll wake up and I'll be like, that'll be, you know, when I said like waking up and realizing that'll be my solution. There you go. Okay. I'll go out like a beast.

Yeah. And do you have trouble getting on to Liz for the most exclusive Miami clubs with the hottest girls um you know probably really i've never been to miami i would think that they would want a bunch of furries in clubs like you know what may you might have something for that because like i have been invited to places just because really yeah i mean you got invited here that i know exactly that i i think something pretty bad actually yeah no it's happening quite a few times where i get picked for things like this i'm not sure why but i'm happy for i'm here for it so i mean it gives you crazy And do you think this would like help you because you don't really have to have a high PSL or anything?

You can just skip it. I mean, you've clearly have a defined jawline on this thing. You've defined it. It's very sharp. I don't know how you really look. So I don't know if you have a more sharp or less sharp jawline. It's decent. You know, I'm not as good as that.

No, it's not true. There's no fat there. Right. Well, I don't have much fat on my face either. But there's literally no fat. This is zero percent fat. Just foam. That's what I'm saying.

Yeah. But then again, I do see some furry sometimes who are fat. Their costumes are fat. That is true. Yeah. Sometimes it's a skinny guy inside there. Yeah. Sometimes they claim they're pregnant, too.

I, you know, I haven't seen that before, actually. Okay, that's just straight apply. Pregnant furries? I mean, I don't think they're pregnant inside, but they have like... I think they jokingly say that they're pregnant, but they're pregnant with like McDonald's. Oh, I see. Yeah. That's a little creepy.

It is. It's not my thing. But more power to them. And you've been to conventions, I'm sure. Oh, a lot of them, yeah. I know we kind of talked about this earlier, but the smell there must be horrible. You know, it's actually not bad, except this last convention I went to Anthurcon in Pittsburgh. It was like 100 and something degrees all days, and it was like super high humidity.

That is by far the stinkiest convention I've ever been to. Right. Have you ever been to like a normal convention? Like, I don't even know, like basketball, you get to meet like Clay Thompson or something. I probably smell fine. Not real. I've been to like clothing conventions and stuff, but that's about it. Hey guys, Sarf with an interruption.

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Do you think your family would be relieved if you told them this whole thing was just a prank and you didn't actually believe you were a raccoon? If I told them it was a prank, they'd probably be like, well, you invested a lot of time into that prank. They'd be like, thank the Lord Jesus. I don't know, they like it. They like it? They like it. I know you said that earlier, but I thought you kind of just meant like, they've accepted it.

No, I mean, they quite literally like it. Right. Like, I've been invited to like family functions. Like, they're like, can you please wear this? So they've kind of just turned you into some sort of gesture. A little bit. A little bit, but I enjoy it. So you have any siblings?

I do. So they probably view them as like the actual children and you're like the clown they get to bring to Thanksgiving. It's funny because you mentioned Thanksgiving and I did wear this at Thanksgiving. That's horrible. Yeah. and my high school reunion. I will say, though, to be fair, if I showed up to a Thanksgiving dinner

and there was a furry there, I would be really excited. Yeah. I mean, they all were excited. This would be really a fun time. It's great. I think some people give too much shit to you guys in the sense that it's like,

although most of you guys probably are, either people who want to have dogs or children, you're still funny to talk to. Well, it's entertaining. There's a big difference, like I was saying, there's a big difference between the people who are online and the people who are actually in person well well I it doesn't really matter to me because if somebody

has either of those fantasies it's okay as long as they're entertaining I mean I guess I did you think I don't away for so long that's why I was just I was gonna that's what the most have been a fun guy yeah you know I feel like we don't make enough money for to be in that echelon well that's why you guys are still doing the Thanksgiving dinners with your family there you go yeah we don't have islands what do you think the odds are of there being a strong correlation between furries and severe autism? Severe?

Severe? I don't think there's that much, but, you know, the moderate, the like to moderate, oh, 1,000% big time. So like a big time percentage. I feel like owning one of these could be the autism test. Yeah. Like. Even if you're not technically autistic, the word, what it means now culturally, this is autism.

Oh, I would say so. Even if you took a test with the doctor and he said, No, no, that guy's not autistic. He's normal. Yeah. I would just argue that the doctor needs to lose his license. Right. Yeah, I mean, my friend paid $4,000 for an autism test. And I'm like, you own multiple fur suits. You didn't need to do that. What was the result?

I'm pretty sure it was positive. Was he excited for that? Did he want it to come out as positive? I'm not sure, actually. I didn't. It was a girl. Because I feel like, if it happened to me, if I took a test like that and it said, yes, I would never tell anybody. Well, you just might end up with a fur suit in your closet if that's the case. Yeah, but that's telling everybody. That's like confirming it beyond the leave.

Well, the great thing about this is when you wear this, they don't know who you are. It's a good point, actually. Yeah, you could be maton at the conventions, or you could be maton outside, but then in the conventions you could be a tiger. Yeah. And nobody would know. Instead, I could, you know, like go to the movie theater and say $3,478. Yeah, yeah, that's true. But then again, actually, I would save the full 3500.

I just sneak into the theater. You could just buy the ticket, return it, then say you scanned it already and go in once you take a screenshot of the QR code. That's true. So actually, I'll save the full 3500. The AMC method, yeah. I mean, you can do that really anywhere. Yeah.

AMC, you only have to do it there because they actually have people checking the thing. Right. Most places you could just walk in. That is true, yeah. Have you tried that before? I have not. I pay for my tickets. You do?

I do. You might be at a disadvantage if you're try sneaking into places with that. Or at a big advantage because nobody wants to go up to you because they think you might shoot them. Well, there is a lot of space for that in here. Well, I mean, I was pretty scared when you told me you were bringing a big duffel bag in here. Oh, yeah. That's why I didn't come down to get you.

I got checked twice. Yeah, I know. I actually told somebody to bring a gun just in case. Oh, okay. Because, I mean, I was talking to you're like, I have a big black duffel bag. I was like, okay. Well, it's not black, but yeah. That's the distinction with what we're...

It's actually gray. It's actually gray. You may have a gun, though. Because that would just be a really bad way for me to go out. Yeah, not on my person. Okay. Like, I'm happy to go out even tomorrow, but just not by, like, death by furry. It's got to be something good if you're going to be soon.

Yeah, you know, it's happened a few times where people have gotten killed by furries. That's a really bad way to go out. That's really actually... That might be the worst way to go out. It's not great. Can you think of a worse way? Probably being boiled alive. No, not more painful, just a more pathetic way.

I mean, being boiled alive once you're dead, that's awesome. Yeah. Oh, the humiliation of being killed by a furry. The humiliation of being killed by a furry. I would hate to get killed by an anime, like a wee-a-boo or something. Yeah, but it's really hard to tell. I mean, what makes them so different just visually? There's a visual distinction.

Yeah, is that the distinction? I can tell a furry. Like, if I'm out and about, I can tell when somebody's a furry. Like, they just have a look to them. I see. If you can teach me this, I would really appreciate it, so I can stay safe. It's a little, it's elite ball knowledge. Okay.

So I probably wouldn't be able to figure it out. No. It's a lot of, like I said, I've been around the block. Okay. And is it allowed for a white person to dress up as a black animal? Oh. I mean, they do. It's allowed?

Yeah, they do it all the time. It's got to be like some sort of. blackface, right? I mean, you're a whole different species. You're a wolf. You're like a black wolf or something. God forbid a wolf becomes sentient one day. He's going to be really pissed.

Yeah. Especially if they become sentient and form their own version of racism. Oh. It's going to be worse than blackface. Yeah, speciesism. It'll just be racism at that point. Oh, I guess. It'll be different races, you know what I mean?

Yeah. It'll be like a black wolf. You know, like the black sheep? Right. You know, pack of white sheep. I wouldn't fuck with a black wolf though. So you're right, what? I wouldn't fuck with a white wolf either.

A white wolf? Yeah, wolves are scary, man. Are we talking about a real wolf or a crazy guy in a $4,000 costume? I was talking about real wolf. Okay, okay. Yeah, I mean, yeah, no shit. Would it be considered cannibalism for furries to eat meat? No, not at all.

Why? I don't know many vegan furries. Really? Yeah. Do they take pleasure in eating the meat more so than an average person? I don't think so. I think it's just, you know, it tastes good. But I thought you said they don't need raccoons.

They don't need raccoons. What? Why? Why don't they? Does the normal person eat raccoons? I'm sure raccoons eat raccoons. No. No way.

What do you think they bury them? No, but they just get, you know. They eat trash. Yeah. Eating another raccoon without a fight because they died from eating the wrong trash would be like the best day, the third best day of a raccoon's life. I don't feel like they're cannibals. I mean, there's too many of the big carcasses on the side of the road that are uneaten. Imagine how many more there would be if they weren't being eaten by other raccoons.

Yeah. You don't see them that often. It's like once every other week, really. I see them pretty often. Yeah, like that. Poor guys. They didn't make it across the road. Over 80% of furries identify as LGBTQR plus.

Why do you think so many furries are gay? Man, I'd say it's even more in person. Oh, really? Yeah. Holy shit. Are you gay? I am, yeah. Oh, my.

Sorry, Dad. Does he know that? No. Really? Really? Oh, man. He's in... I mean, he's not really in for much of a surprise.

Yeah, I'd say so. Yeah. My mom was not surprised in the slightest, so... When you came out as a furry or gay? Both. So your mom knows you're gay? Yeah. And your dad doesn't?

No. Are they still together? No. Oh, okay. Maybe there's something there, too. Yeah, that definitely encouraged this. There you go. Which one was she more like...

My son is lost? No, she didn't have that reaction at all Because there's not really a solution to your son being a furry Whereas there is to one of if he's gay Electro shock? Yes Oh, okay I haven't tried that yet

He's been proven to work Oh, well He's been proven to work sort of I mean you could just shock somebody enough And then they don't care or have any desires at all Yeah, that is true Including gay ones Yeah, I mean

Did you ever read that book? That's like a lobotomy Yeah, exactly Yeah There was that book They made me read it in like seventh grade. I don't think I read that one. Oh, yeah, no, I haven't read that one.

But I'm sure it works. I mean, it definitely works. That's why it's illegal now. It works too well. These people have taken over control and they want everybody to be gay. That's why we can't give lobotomies to slightly autistic people anymore. Yeah, I mean, I don't see anything wrong with it. So why are so many furies gay?

I think it just attracts a lot of people who are already. gay why because it's a community of a lot of gay people I mean you kind of go where it is and it's a different type of gay people as well I will say like this would be more accepted from other gay people gay people actually like don't fuck like normal gay people because you make them look bad they're like they're like they're like one step away on the scale of normal it's like gays right here and then furries on here so you're making them look really bad sort of I feel like it's the other way around what yeah listen I'm like I'm not a big supporter

But this is way crazier, my friend No Like if I saw a guy in public Who was like obviously gay I'm like I see it all the time If I saw you in public I probably would Be more scared than if I saw like a straight-up

Gangster shooting people Oh The thing is with furry gay They're usually like not outworld to be gay So they're like 80% of them They kind of blend in No but they kind of blend in type of thing

Like they don't have like that, you know, that yes queen, like type of thing going. I see. So they don't act gay. No, not really. They're like gay behind the costume. That's why I'm saying it's different. But some do. It's fine if they do.

I see. But just not in general. And are you ever planning to tell your dad that you're gay? Um, he might see this podcast. He has furry videos in his in his YouTube. So this might actually be the reveal. This, yeah. Sorry about that.

Sorry. Not sorry for revealing it. You're welcome. Sorry about this. Yeah. Do you want to apologize as well? Yeah, it might be better to hear from you. Sorry, Dad, I apologize.

I should have told you earlier. My bad. At least it's not the worst thing he's ever told you. And honestly, you might not give a shit anymore either, so. Yeah. That's the hope. How many siblings do you have? I just have two.

Two? Yeah. They're normal? No. No? This must be some... My sister is also a cosplayer. Well, used to be a cosplayer.

She met her husband at Comic Con. Oh, my God. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, y'i, yeah. Yeah. And then my, uh, brother is a professional

um fire spinner i think the technical term for it is we have a family a good family i don't know if i would i actually and i don't mean this is a joke i might my life

if i had three kids you ever see invincible yeah where you know he's been the shit out of his son he's like what's another 20 years yeah he tried this is 60 years sort of right in that essence added up actually it might be like 90

depending on how old your siblings are 90 years that's like a human lifespan. I'm not like some sort of alien. Right. My line of my descendants, this is over with. Well, my sister has kids, so it's not technically over. It's over with in the sense that like they're good.

Oh. I mean. Like does your father have like a brother or something? Do you have an uncle? Yeah, I do. I'm saying, that must be a really, he must be, every time your uncle looks at your dad, He must be like a fucking hot shot to him. Yeah.

He's like, you really got fucking screwed over, friend. You have a cosplayer, a fire spinner, and a gay furry. Yeah. And I have two normal children. No. No. Oh, not at all. It's much worse over there.

Are you serious? Oh, yeah. I'm very serious. Yeah. Were your, I'm not envious of them? Were your grandparents like siblings? No, not at all. So how did this happen to your whole family?

Must have been insane mold exposure. I guess. I mean, you know what? Maybe there was something they're not thinking about that house. What's their problem? I kind of don't want to get in as well. Yeah, it's a little personal.

It's not good, though. Basically, more money, more problems type of situation. They have money. They're well off? Yes. Are they pachshos? No. So is there really anything worse?

As we said, it's like pachshunds. There's stuff worse. There's definitely stuff worse. And yeah, it's not good. without saying what they do. Can I hear an example of something that could be worse that they're doing? Going into jail. That's not worse at all.

I would much rather my son be a criminal than a furry. It's not a cool crime. Is it like a white collar? No. I'm not going to get it. Okay, okay. That's fine. And what is the general lifespan of one of your morons? I feel, you know, the experiment's not over yet. So we don't know.

What do you think it'll be? I think the average is, but for the average person, I think it's like 78. Well, a lot of people say, you know, twink death is at 25. Okay. But I see fur is going a lot further than that. Further than 25? Yeah. A 29?

You know, they get into their 40s. The oldest ones you know are 40. Yeah, I mean, there's older ones, but they died. Okay. At like 45 or what? I think like 70 or something. 70 year old? Yes, 70.

I mean, those are just like probably old people who got early Alzheimer's, right? They just don't know what's happening anymore. That's a long set of Alzheimer's or dementia. Like, because they were in it for a long haul. Okay. So maybe they got it really early on when they were in like their 50s. They might have had mold very early on, yeah. And you guys, are you guys, because I don't know, excuse my lack of knowledge here.

Are you guys associated with those people who like the pony? Like bronies? Yeah, so whatever that is, yeah. I mean, not really. There are some furries who are into my wood of pony, but not every brony is a... But you guys don't like the bronies. Those guys are really weird. I mean, if you're still watching it nowadays, I mean, the memes like over.

Right. Like, I get it if you're watching it before when it was hot on 4chan, but... Are you on 4chan a lot? No, I used to be. You used to be. Yeah, that's kind of how I got into this. Into furries. Yeah.

As you said, you were making fun of them. Correct, yes. I see. So you think this is like a common pipeline? People talk about the all-the-right pipeline. This is a way worse pipeline. I think we really need to actually start taking this pretty seriously. Yeah, it's a very common pipeline.

People shit on furries, and then they end up becoming furries. And I've seen it happen a lot. But it's because they find out that they're kind of cool. From your own experience, how can somebody avoid that happening? Don't shoot on furries. But if they want to do that but not become more. Because you might, like, get into it. Okay.

the more you interact with them, the more you realize they're kind of all right. And just real quick, you said your brother is a fire spinner? He is. What does that mean exactly? He, like, is a fire performer. So he has, like, his thing is, like,

fire nunchucks. I see. So he sets them on fire. It's an interesting job. I'm really sorry, man. Yeah. He makes a living off of it. Yeah.

Well, actually, it could be cool. It looks very cool. I have a video of me on my Instagram with one of his, Firepops in full suit, which people call me for doing because it is very dangerous. Why? Because you could get inflamed easily? Oh, super easy. I mean, these are highly flammable. See, you know how I was talking earlier about how I don't want to go out from a furry killing me? Yeah. That would be a really cool way for a furry to go out though. In flames? Yes.

Yeah, I mean, it would be like a, what is it like a Roman send-off or whatever? Would they? Yeah, sort of. I mean, it also fits, you know, your sort of thing. Yeah. I feel like this is the most important and distinct thing about you compared to the average person? Maybe so. I mean, I feel like I got on that. Maybe. There's something worse?

No, there's nothing worse. Definitely not. But yeah, maybe so. I mean, not everybody knows a furry. Everybody knows somebody with like a cool car or something. Right. Do you think furries would accept longneck or is he even too weird for them? Oh, they'd love longneck.

They would love long neck? They probably make him a giraffe persona. Like a giraffe persona. What does that mean? Like a giraffe like. Oh, I said a draft. No, no, giraffe. I see.

long net that's actually a really cool idea i know somebody would probably do it for him for like mad cheap or free well he's my next guest in like five minutes we're filming with him in like five minutes no shit really i can have you guys kind of meeting the you know the lobby yeah if you want guys can kind of exchange information and maybe he can become we could do it a giraffe yeah pull up pull up to the free conventions man giraffe percy i would actually be really interesting i know first seed makers. I mean, I'll just, I know this. I mean, everybody knows this who knows him. He doesn't really have any money. Oh. So maybe they'll have to kind of do it out of a pro bono. Well, promotional. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. I mean, Ferries would do that.

Pros would do that. With enough promo, they would do it. I mean, kind of promo for the community that he's even doing it. Yeah, no. I mean, we've been getting a lot of good publicity lately. Like, there's been some high profile stuff put out. I see. Well, that's it because I have to film with my next guest long neck now. But I appreciate it. I appreciate it. you for coming on the show. Absolutely. So thanks for coming on. I appreciate it.

Absolutely. Oh God. Oh, my tail seems to be stuck on the chair. You can just take it with you. I'm never going to let anybody sitting that ever again. Sure.