The Matan Show - Matan vs Alex O'Connor Intense Religious Debate

Episode Date: October 26, 2025

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Yeah. And then for today's co-host, we have Mike. Welcome in Mike. Mike, take your seat over there on the left. Can you pull your mic? A little closer to you, by the way? I suppose this is a bad time to say that I'm allergic to nuts. You're allergic to what?

To nuts. Why would that be a bad time to say that? Well, I can smell them from here. Okay, well, I guess in case, and just make sure to pull the mic close to you. They have that pickup thing where they don't pick up that much. So in case anybody doesn't know you, please introduce yourself and all that one. My name is Alex.

I am a podcaster, much like yourself. I suppose not that much like yourself, but... Right. To some degree. You're a little less serious than me. You could say that. Okay, so I appreciate you coming on, so I got you a couple gifts. We'll start off right now.

That's very kind. Am I supposed to open this now or wait till Christmas? No, you can open it now. It has nothing to do with the holidays. It feels like a book. Is it going to be covered in peanut butter? No. Michael Moore. Michael Moore?

Ah. Ann Coulter? Ann Coulter. Yeah, I've heard of it fair. So I got your book because that's how I got smart. I know you want to learn about philosophy and stuff. By reading Ann Coulter? Yes.

Is it signed? That's a shame. It's not signed by Ann Coulter. Is that disappointing? A little bit, you know? Okay, so I'll make it up with another gift. Beautiful. Gosh, you've really pushed the boat out here.

I've really pushed the boat out here. What is it? It's the paperback. That's a different book, I think. Mugged by Anne Colter. That's about black people. This one is about terrorists. Now streaming on Paramount Plus is the epic return of mayor of Kingstown. Warden? You know who I am.

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That might well be true. I'd like to see your source for that study. I don't have my phone on me, so it's just on paper, but let's just assume it is. Oh, I see. Is that just based on your personal experience? No, it's based on like Bloomberg or something. Really? Yeah.

But how many atheists of you met? How many religious people have you? I met a lot of people. I mean, I've imagined every time I run into the street, it's probably like what? 50-50 nowadays. Do you consider that meeting someone? Yeah, I would say so. And do you think that IQ is the final arbiter of intelligence? I mean, for a lot of people, religious experience is the key reason why people come to

believe in God. I would say that IQ is a very important thing. Might well be, yeah, but for this, maybe not. For religion? Yeah, I mean, maybe the experience of God is back. I mean, it kind of points to something. If you ask me, like, you know, what's a difference between some American, he's an American with another sort of verb at the beginning of it.

Yes. I wouldn't point to IQ. Yeah, that's fine. But do you think that if God existed, he would make it easier for clever people to get into heaven? I don't think that's how heaven works. I think he's going to strike down the idiots. That's why they're stupid. Idiots, maybe not.

I think idiots are one of, at least in the Christian tradition, one of God's favorites. The idiots? Why is that? Are you saying the Christians are stupid? I'm saying that Jesus' disciples were illiterate, and they were partly picked for that reason. Well, I'm not going to be able to really argue on this because I'm not super religious, nor am I Christian. But I'm not really, I kind of don't like atheism as an idea

because when I meet them, they're more typically liberal. I'm not a big fan of liberals. We're in the UK right now. I mean, there's a ton of immigrants. I'm saying, we're shooting this in central London. It's like a nightmare going around. I'm kind of scared for my life a little bit, to be completely honest. Yes.

Well, what was it you said about atheists a second ago? What did I say? I don't remember. I don't remember either. But, yeah, I mean, you're quite right. London has one of the highest levels of immigration anywhere in Europe. And is that because of atheists? No, I don't think so.

It's hard to say. I mean, people like to say, you know, if you remove religion from a society, well, you end up with this sort of vacuum, which is filled by other ideologies that we don't like, like Islam, but I think that's a little bit too... Is it not a religion? Yes, it is, but I think that's a little bit too easy. You described atheism as a belief, you said,

you don't like it as a belief. I don't like the... Whatever it is, you're doing like semantics with me because you know the words better than me. I'm more of a simple straight speaker. You're more of a confuser, I'd say. You know all the terminology, so you put... And you know how to speak real quick,

so then I don't know what you're talking about, but I... I would say that you're like level two, I'm level three, because I'm smart enough way smarter than you where I can call out that I don't even have the level of understanding to know what you're saying. You don't even need to make a good argument in order to... No, forget the good argument.

I recognize that you're not making a good argument. You're just putting many fancy words together. That might be true. Atheism, in my view, Bill Marpet it well when he said that atheism is a belief like abstinence is a sex position. It's a sort of neutral position that people take. I just don't believe this. Well, I'm also kind of anti-sex and hookup culture.

as well. And I hate Bermal. I want to physically, well, I don't know what you're allowed to say here in London. You want to physically what? Well, I'm not going to say it. When I'll get back to the United States, yeah, I'll be a little careful. We're on Rumble, to be fair, though. Oh, yes. You might have the police at your door if you say the wrong thing. Right. You know, when I got here to London, one of the things I noticed, it's like, in the U.S., I get those phone scammers calling me. Yes. They're not, they're all over the streets here. Yes, I think I know what you mean. And you might, you might. well be right. Anne Coulter, again.

What's that book about? Liberal victims and their assault on America. Have you read all of these? I wanted to kind of help you get a little smarter and a little more educated. You seem like a nice and friendly guy. What's your favorite book? Anne Coulter guilty, liberal victims and their assault on America.

Yeah, good answer. How do you think? And Coulter must be very smart if she's able to make this many books and stuff. That might be right, but then they do say everyone has a book in them. Yeah, but most people can't produce it. Yes, in most cases, that's where it should say. See, this is what I mean. You're able to put those things together,

but when you dissect what you're saying, it's just like most people have eyes, you know. I don't know what that means. So what I just said doesn't make sense. It's like just, it's meaningless sense. What did I just say? I don't see, that's the point. You're trying to see if I have the high enough IQ level to read.

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Movember is tackling the biggest health issues facing men today. Join the movement and donate now at Movember.com. Remember stuff because that's sort of one of the things that IQ works on. See, that's what I mean. Do you remember the last thing I said? Remember the last thing I said Before that Remember the last thing I said

I'm not sure about that We'll have to check the tape We'll have to check that That's not even right We'll have to check the tape You're doing so well You were doing so well It was almost a good day

I was doing pretty good What was the last thing I said I don't know but I'm Okay so I'm not interviewing you Now we understand the difference here Between my intelligence and yours Yes

Why is there Green and Red apples but not blue ones, how can you explain that genius? That is a phenomenal question. The reason is, my friend, and it's an important question, is that when you look at a leaf or something and you think that it's green,

it's not that the leaf is green, it's that it absorbs everything except green. It actually repels the green light, and that's why you see the green. So apples are not really so much red and green as they repel those lights, and that's why you see it. So why can, but I want a blue one. Why not blue?

Why not blue, quite right? Well, we don't know. Why doesn't it absorb or repel it, whatever is the one you said, I mean, I don't even know what you're talking about. Is that what you're saying is true or you're making it up on the spot? I'm saying that's true, but it's... It would be more impressive had you just made that up. I know, it would have been. I should have given that a go.

But no, it is actually a great mystery as to why, you know, the way... I could explain why the wavelengths bounce off of this and hit my eye and not other ones, but why that's experienced as redness as opposed to something else. Red? Yeah. No, but the Grinch is green. The Grinch is green, yes, he is. So it's not red. You're wrong. But once again, the Grinch is not green.

This is what I mean. You're a deceiver. You're trying to make me believe this is red, but I know for a fact the Grinch is green. You're actually exactly wrong. The Grinch is not green. It's the one thing the Grinch is not, because the Grinch reflects the green line. That's why you see it as green. Now, the reason why you would be wrong there is because the Grinch is a fictional character. Okay. Yes. He's described as green. You're quite right. Okay, so I got you. But some fictional characters exist more so than... The Grinch does not. Well, do you say that, do you think that Hamlet existed? Hamlet? Hamlet. I don't know what that is.

Do you think that the Grinch exists? No, he does not. Okay, but can you imagine, say something like a fictional character who was never written into existence also doesn't exist, but seems to exist less than the Grinch does. No, they both don't exist. The Grinch exists less than the table, but something which... The table is real, the Grinch is green.

The table is real. The table is real. How do you know that? This is what I mean with the philosophers in the Acese, this is my issue with it. They're terrible. When you get to the top level Aces, it's just guys asking you like, am I real? What am I doing here? It's like, hey man, I don't have an answer.

And I want to physically do stuff to Bill Maher. That's... Do you know Bill Maher? I've never met him, no. Do you have his address? I'm afraid not, and if I did, I would be loath to give it to you. You would be loving to give it to me? Loathe.

Although when you say you want to do physical things to him, I can't tell it. Not in a sexual way. I am actually... Oh, I see. I could tell if you're infatuated or... or um two thumbs down for homosexuality here on this channel that's also expected

yours from what there's not much that's surprising me in other words about about what you're saying it's very you're agreeing with it you're saying no I didn't say that that's another issue we'll move on that's another issue with philosophers by the way

atheists yes they typically like you know the homosexuality thing well I think a lot of atheists are homosexuals Some atheists are homosexuals. I know, it's terrifying. But of course, if you're an atheist, you lack one of the principal reasons

that people have to stand in opposition to homosexuality, which is because you think that God told you that was how things should be. Do you believe in Justin? Justin. Yeah. Justin who? Justin Bieber. Are you a believer?

I would say yes. I think he's been through a lot. But how can that be? Great question. I like the music. How do you know that music is real? See, now I can ask stupid questions like that. How do you know that your ears are hearing stuff

and that it's not reflecting bounces of red because you see how stupid that sounds when it's given back to you? You would be amazed at how profound a question that really is. And I can give you a stupid answer if you like. And that's what philosophy is most engaged in. Please, I'm so excited to see what this one's going to be. I know, I wanted to give you some gifts.

What is it? It's a hard back. A hard book? A hard back. I don't speak your version of English. hardback. It's a literary term, not a gay one. Don't worry. Let's see. Did you buy these specially? Or did you just have... I'm giving them from my own personal collection because I want you to become intelligent. This one is special for you. This one

is special. Luckily, you've got 10 copies of each. Godless. Yeah. Gosh, she really does shit them out, doesn't she? She must be some sort of genius. Genius. I mean, that is just, that is impressive. Have you read all of it? Yeah. What's your favorite chapter? I don't think that's how the books work it's more like it just like let me show you here um you see what i mean that that one's a great one yeah no that's not these are not chapters it's all just like a longer book you see what i'm saying yeah i see yeah because she just she has to get all of the thoughts out she's just sort of that that sharp yeah you missed her i missed putting it on top of it it looked like how did you know that i wasn't trying to do a thing where it slipped off and went here well maybe you were

I was actually planning for you to ask me about that and I could explain it and put it there. That's an incredible talent you have. Why are you only allowed to carry 64 blocks in Minecraft? It seems like an arbitrary number and makes the game tougher to play. Good question. But there are arbitrary rules in the real universe that we inhabit. Why can only things travel to a maximum? These things are not decided by people.

Whoa, whoa, hold on. I thought that you weren't an atheist. somebody must have decided the maximum speed of light. Yeah, but not a human that I've interacted with. Are you a Christian? No, I'm not Christian, but I am like sort of religious. Oh, I see. Okay, okay. So you don't think that God can be a human? Um, are you asking this because of the Jesus thing?

Yeah, I am. I've heard different explanations where they say that Jesus isn't God, but he is like the son of God. Yeah, yeah. I mean, this is what the entirety of early Christianity was all about, trying to work that out. You could probably make some contributions to, if you gave it some thought. To what? To Christology, the nature of studying the nature of Jesus. What are you reading there? Trying to see if we get a mention of the Nazarene in her book.

Incredibly, she seems not to mention him once. Not to mention who? Jesus. She mentioned John Poole the second two times, but she doesn't mention Jesus. How are you checking that she didn't mention Jesus? You didn't just read the whole book? It's called an index. If you'd ever got to the end of a book, you'd probably know.

No, because that's just the nonsense stuff at the back. This is like for people who are trying to skip around in the book. Yeah, that's right. That's exactly what I was trying to do. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. The book is great. I forget what it's called, but I get like a percentage. This would be linked in the description.

Oh, like an affiliate. I'm an affiliate of Ann Coulter. Then I'll wave it around a little bit more so that people are... Super helpful for me. Should teachers be allowed to have six with young students? Teachers, did you say? Yes. Probably not.

Why is that? Because I think that we're in broad agreement that one of the most important parts of any kind of sexual encounter is the... Well, the teachers don't agree with you? Both sides. They don't, no. Okay, so how about that? Many teachers do, but some do not. I'm obviously referencing the teachers who I'm referencing in the same question.

I see, I see. Well, that might be true, but of course we can disagree about things. One of us is right and one of us is wrong. I don't well is that how you believe things it's how you Ontario the weight is over the gold standard of online casinos has arrived Golden Nugget online casino is live

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This. That's going to be a good one. I can just tell. I can feel at some point. At some point. That's going to be a good one. At some point, this train is going to break. At some point.

What is it? What is it? What you will do? What you will do is you will give me something that is not by Anculture. What is it? Oh, come on. This is quite something. Where did you get this?

What is it? I feel like I'm on Nardwa. This is crazy. This looks to me like an audio book in CD-ROM form. Do I actually get to keep this? You get to keep every single piece of Anculture merchandise that I'm giving you. This is incredible. Where did you get?

Yes. That's all yours. Amazon.com is where you got it, probably. And if you use the link, Matt Ann in the description, this is great. I actually, I'm going to cut this out. I actually found all of this in a trash can outside of my buddy's house. I see. And I read it. I became smarter and I wanted to give it to you. Well, it's not like I found it in a trash can. I was like, I'll pass it on. The things you're literally saying are, things you're saying to me are literally from the gutter. Your thoughts are literally originated. No, because the book here, this is just one copy of it.

Maybe this is from the gutter, but not the book itself. She wrote it and she's, you know, whatever, I forget it. She used as the same image. It's like the same image every time, isn't it? It's because he's the same person. Do you think this was like the same photo shoot? And she was like stockpiled them. Whenever she writes a book, she can just sort of.

What, was she supposed to put somebody else on it? Was she supposed to paint herself? She could. probably do with changing the color scheme a little bit, maybe, tell them apart. What if the book is selling really well? So she, that, you know, she wants it to look similar. I'm not quite sure that's how marketing works, although I don't work for... Well, you don't know better than how many books have you made? How many subscribers do you have?

I don't know the exact amount, maybe like one million. That's impressive. That's good. Why did you ask that? Why did that have to do with it? Well, you know, if we want to talk about marketing, you know, I think you do very well. I'm not claiming that I do better marketing than you. I'm claiming that you have worse marketing than Ann Cochter. And you have the same color scheme, so I can see why you're defending her. What's the color scheme?

Black and white. I mean, yeah, I mean, you're saying because her skin is white? I wouldn't have a black person on the show. I see. But didn't you just have some black people on the show? No, I didn't. Who did I have one that was black? I suppose they might say that they are something else.

Well, I don't know what you're referring to. Is there a specific, if I had a black person on the show, it's like I must have woke up in my eyes, must have been deceiving me. Didn't you just have some black Israelites on the show? No, no, because that was like a black Israelites. Yeah, that's what I mean. They're Jewish. They're probably going to think that's something else.

Yeah, that doesn't count. So as long as they don't think they're black, you're okay with it. So that implies that the problem is not if they're really black, but if they think they're black. So if I told you, I think I'm black. To be fair, that's true, but at the same time, I got him to like, kind of attack on the rabbis. Yes.

And that's, I love that. Yeah. So it's like, it's like I, you know what I mean? You give up one thing for another. I had to make a substitution there. So he is black. I don't think. If I thought I was black, would that mean you would kick me off the show?

If you were going to debate a rabbi? I see. Yeah, okay. Then I would probably. It's sort of like weighing up. I think it would be awesome if you wanted to come back here one day and paint yourself black in the beta rabbis. Hmm, not so sure about that.

I'll do one of those things, and not the other. Is that illegal here? It might well be. Everything seems to be illegal here. Yeah, that's what I've been hearing. This book might be illegal here. That book is fantastic. It causes enough anxiety, which, you know, stare like that.

Are Indians currently conducting their revenge for colonization? Some people unironically say that, or at the very least say that the... You think I said that ironically? Mass immigration into the UK are... No, I don't think I implied that. the mass immigration into the UK should be accepted as some kind of, you know, comeuppance for the actions of the British Empire. And in fairness, Britain did go around for a very long time telling people whether...

And that's why they have technology and in India they go to the bathroom in, like, their hands or something. That's what I heard. Some people do that in the UK, too. Yeah, crazy people. If you have a toilet in India, it's like... They probably think you're crazy. It goes the complete opposite way over there. I've never been.

I wouldn't know. I do know that Britain told people for a very long time whether you like it or not, you are British. And now they're cashing in that chip. They were telling the Indians they were British. Oh, yeah. That was a massive mistake, I would say. I think I would agree with you, though, maybe not for the same reason. It seems like we're sort of in agreement.

You're saying that you don't really support the amount of immigration that the UK is allowing. I don't think any, but no major political party in the United Kingdom supports the level of immigration. The policy of even the most liberal parties in the United Kingdom. the United Kingdom, maybe not the very most liberal, but have been at the very least... So even the Lib Tards don't like the immigration. So it seems. That's how you know it's bad. Yeah.

Well, unfortunately, we are literally speaking an island with... Yeah, that's what I don't understand. Obviously, I'm from the United States, and over there I understand how the brown people are getting in because they're coming just straight up. It's connected. I don't understand how the brown people are getting here. If they don't have a toilet, they obviously don't have the technology to get over here. Unless we're helping that, unless you guys are helping.

that which obviously is sort of happening yes it's boats we're an island you get to islands on on a boat yeah but I feel like the technology here is kind of to the point where the boat could be taken down the boat could be taken oh you mean like militarily yeah of course oh it could but if we were so why is that not happening because we're a christian nation and Jesus has to welcome the foreigner I don't agree with that sentiment and to that's two things you disagree with the Christians on so far I did I say I'm Christian deeply controversial What's controversial about that? Well, Christianity is the new hot thing, isn't it?

I would argue that most Christians don't like Indians. I would disagree with that. I think you would be wrong. I think they would say they love them, but I don't think they like them. Of course, Thomas the Apostle himself is said to have gone to India and spread the message Christ there. That's not what Jack the 4th said, though. He said he didn't like Indians. Yeah, well, you know, that's within his right.

Okay, so then I got you. Then why is your example better than mine? That will be a question for the audience. to decide? The lower section... And amazingly, they probably will side with you. Because they're not retarded, I would say. Or is that illegal in the UK?

I'm not allowed to use that word either. One man's murderous ponens is another man's murderstolins. You might actually not be able to. It's another thing, you know, if you speak too loudly, you might have the Metropolitan Police at your door. I'm extremely scared. Knocking and supporting you. I want to get out of here.

I don't... There are truly too many immigrants. And you would say thank you. Yeah, I would... They're going to give me a free ride back. I would be extremely thankful. Hey, guys, our fifth interruption. I have to let you know that today's episode

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to get 10 meals plus a free item for life. The lower section of my leg began hurting weeks ago and became purple. now it's green and leaking what does this mean it means that you should see a doctor but I would go back to America first

yeah but what does the doctor have to do with my leg he would just help solve the issue that might be true you could probably sort of solve your pain although the other option of course is that you could just man up and deal with the pain I'm not complaining about the pain

I'm not a liberal so what are you worried about I didn't ask you if I didn't say I'm worried I said what does this mean I thought you said what should I do do you say what does this mean? No I said What does this mean?

What does this mean? Ah, well, everything is meaningless. I don't see things that way. Says the teacher. What way do you see things? I think things have meaning, otherwise... When are we going to break this up? When is this going to not be an unculted?

And it's going to be something... You didn't even open it yet. How do you know what it is? Absolutely just abominable. How do you know what it is yet? What is it? It's more unculted. But what's this one called?

Liberal lies about the American right. This one's got to mention. Surely. Surely. Let's see what some of the lies are. What are some of the lies that she said? Of course, you already know because you've read this back in front.

I don't want to spoil it for you. It's called slander. Liberals aren't engaged. Fulwell was worshipping the same God as... Bullwell was worshipping the same God as the people who bombed the World Trade Center in the Pentagon. Yeah, I don't know about this. I completely agree with what she said.

And by the way... Is she wrong? Do you think she's wrong? Well, she was quoting somebody there and disagreeing with them. What? If you agree with her, then you disagree with the quote. I agree with what the guy said. But of course, you already know that because you've read it.

Well, yeah, but I read so many of them. It's not like I have the, I remember every page of the book. I see. I see. So you've read lots, you just don't remember any of it. I mean, have you ever watched a TV show? Yes. You know, if I asked you if you remember the specific scene, you might remember the general gist of it,

but you will not remember the specific dialogue, I would imagine. Try me. I don't know what you've watched. Whatever you like, Breaking Bad, House of Cars. Okay, what happened on season three episode 9 of Breaking Bad? That's the episode with the fly. Okay, I picked the... I thought that was seven, so I purposely went to nine.

What about episode eight? I'm just joking, I've got no idea. Okay. I don't watch television. I prefer a good book. So thank you. You're welcome. That seems like I got the perfect stuff for you.

following up on the last question how many more years until the UK actually just becomes India well if what you mean is a majority non-British-born population that probably won't happen because people are being born in the United Kingdom but it depends on it and depends on exactly what you mean well for

many things wrong with what you just said one those people are not British they're Indians fine British but not English not English they're Indians I don't believe in birthright citizenship. You know, it's better than the one big thing? Two big things.

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Conditions and exclusions apply. Oh, interesting. Okay. Is that something you believe in? We don't really have the same kind of concept of that here as you do in the United States. I mean, you have constitutional protection of such a thing, at least until... Well, I think we're getting rid of it. Yeah, so they say he's getting rid of a couple of constitutional members, it seems.

Maybe even trying to run for a third term, as Steve Bannon keeps saying. I think that would be fantastic, to be honest, because if I remember correctly, that wasn't, that it didn't start that wave. Yeah, I think it would be great if Trump did away with birthright citizenship and then the term limit. So now you can run for three terms And what happens? Barack Obama comes back And says you get your third term

And not only that But why would he let Barack Obama run again If he already had to terms I was born in Kenya That would be quite the moment in America You know he really was born in Kenya I've talked to his brother about it But that doesn't matter right

Because his brother His brother said he was born in Kenya You don't believe in birthright citizenship So what does it matter? Yeah I agree I don't think Yeah Obama he's obviously not American Fine but why does that matter

You either care about if someone is born an American or you or you don't Now, that's like a stupid question, why does it matter to eat? Because I'm trying to survive, why does it matter that Obama is not American? Because I want the country to continue going forward. So you said you're not in favor of birthright citizenship, why not? Because typically I'm a little racist, to be completely honest, and I think that some people are better than others. Oh, I see.

So it's because there are certain people who are born there that you don't want to be citizens, not because there are people who are not born in the United States that you want to become sick. See, you said that all too quickly. You made it confusing and you're trying to sound more intelligent than me. I'll try to put it into a book and then give it to you. Maybe in an audible form.

Is that an audible? Might be easier to digest. But you missed this one. Look, that's what you are. She wrote a thing about you. Demonic. Is this real? Wow.

You have a collection here. What is this? Like the extended edition? Demonic. I'm not going to spoil it for you. I already watched her listen to it. I don't know what type of CD that is. Look at that 1-1-1-2-2-2.

She missed a trick by not going to 666. Because she's not demonic. It's all beginning to make sense. Um, is it a coincidence that no legendary philosopher is black or female? Well, unfortunately that's just not true. Okay, I knew you were going to say that. Yeah, I thought you might. Yeah, the issue is that, like, I'm talking about somebody,

who he understands a little bit about it, not like somebody like you who knows a thousand different philosophers. If you asked a general person, they will not be able to name your black or female philosopher. That might be true. Do you know what, that wouldn't surprise me.

Can you name five male philosophers? Yeah, that guy, John, Plato, Aristotle, Socrates, and Trump. John, the guy John, oh, Anna and Colter, by the way. Yeah, of course. I've forgot about her, yeah. Well, then look at that. She's a woman, and I said male. So you've...

Fuck! Already failed. Now, well, she's obviously not a philosopher. She's a political commentator, by the way. That was a trick on you, and I knew that was going to happen. Gosh, we just keep getting each other, don't we? No, I keep getting you. There's another thing.

I don't... I mean, I'm not going to check it out. Wow, is this a cassette? What is it? I'm genuinely interested in where you got these from. This is extraordinary. I would like to make the point, by the way, that look how happy she looks. She does look happier here.

I'm kind of intrigued where... because the other thing is that... I mean, these look like American hardbacks. Did you buy these and shipped them to the United Kingdom for this purpose? No, I brought them with my suitcase to give to you. Oh, I see. Do I get the suitcase? No, I have to bring that back with you. Oh, I see. they'll probably give you some bags if they deport you

Why do you want my suitcase? I already gave you all the valuables Or most of the valuable Yeah, I'm not sure these will get so much In the secondhand stores What do atheists think about Jews? They believe that they're wrong about the existence of God So one, already a negative

That's pretty good I know, I know, yeah There's plenty more where that came from Okay, let me hear about it That sounds good Well, there's a lot for atheists I think we're about to start agreeing with each other a little more. Well, what's your, what's your least favorite part of Jewish theology?

The whole thing is disgusting. Oh my God. Like which beliefs that they have that you disagree with? I mean, they're, they're crazy and evil. And they're from hell. And by the way, I'm not Jewish anymore before anybody says that again. Like which of those beliefs? What?

Which are the beliefs that you've looked at that they believe in these. dislike? Um, I don't even understand what you're asking me. They're crazy, they're evil and they're from hell. That's not enough. Another book that you've read but not remembered, perhaps. This is a smart one coming up. I can't wait. Wouldn't it be best for atheists to take Pascal's wager and believe in every single non-exclusive religion so they can have the best shot at heaven? Uh, no, because you can't believe in every single, well, you can believe in every single non-exclusive religion, but that rules out some of the biggest. It rules out Christianity. It rules out Islam. It ruled out Judaism. Okay.

It probably rules out some schools of Hinduism and Buddhism at least that have any kind of content. Yeah, but that doesn't disprove my theory here at all. Because if you believed in one of those as an atheist, that would just be one. That would just be one. Okay, so then that doesn't disprove what I said. It doesn't. You said all non-exclusive. As many non-exclusive.

So how many non-exclusive religions can you name? I couldn't think of anybody. I'm sure you could find like images on the wall that describe these things. Believing in all non-exclusive religion. exclusive religion. But if there's no such thing as a non-exclusive religion... No, there are things such a thing. Then you're an atheist. Congratulations. I'm not an atheist and by the way, I'm not... I'm just offering this to you, not to me.

That's very kind. That's very kind. Pascal offered it to us both. Although Pascal, of course, didn't think that you should literally just start believing something that's false. Pascal's one of the most celebrated thinkers of history. He's a wonderful person. You ever read him? I don't... I don't know. His name is too weird. French. Yeah.

How do you feel about the French? Not as positive about them as other whites. In Trump, we trust. Oh yeah, that's one of my favorite from Coulter. It is penguin, yeah. E pluribus, awesome. What? E pluribus awesome.

Is that in Spanish? Yeah, that's right. It's the encroachment of Mexicans in the country. You know what that means? No, she's making fun of them. I see. It's ironic, like you said. You know what that means?

What? What? This is awesome. Something like that's right. That's exactly what it means. It means immigrants out. Oh, really? And she's saying, that's awesome?

Yeah. How could she get any smarter? I know, it's incredible. But in just five compact discs, six and a half hours, you should listen to this too. I don't think he has the capabilities for that. Really? What does he have the capabilities for?

He's a baby with peanut butter all over him. Oh, I see. He's a baby. Did you know that Patrick lives under a rock and SpongeBob being a pineapple? I did know that, yeah. Okay, I just wanted to make sure that the British people knew that. Oh, yeah, yeah, SpongeBob is huge here. SpongeBob is huge here?

Yeah, there are all kinds of theories about what it all means. You ever thought about the philosophy of SpongeBob? The what about SpongeBob? Philosophy of SpongeBob? Well, some people think that the main characters represent the deadly sins, for example. Yeah, but they say that about every show. I don't think that they say that, you know, the main characters of friends. represent the Five Deadly Sins.

I've never watched that show, but I've heard that about a ton of other shows. I mean, what would SpongeBob represent? SpongeBob, I can't remember which is which, because my memory is about as good as yours. I think that, you know, the star is supposed to be... So you have an excellent memory, by the way. And Mr. Crabs is, of course, greed, naturally.

No, he's not even capable of being greedy. He's a crab. He's like, he was like four. That's also true But wouldn't you say that it's Less intelligent to be greedy Less intelligent? Less intelligent?

No Because greed is Desirous to a fault It's okay to just desire things But greed is desiring something That's not how I interpret greed I interpret greed is taking from others And taking keeping for yourself

Well greed is probably not having what others have And wanting it And then take it No, that would be jealousy Or envy Okay More deadly sins But that's not what you described me to Krabba

Now. I agree. I think... That's not semantics. You're doing semantics. You said jealousy and envy. That's semantics. I think greed is probably a bad thing. Do you think greed is a bad thing? No. Interesting. I wonder what Anne Colter has to say about greed. Let's check it out.

Where did you get this... Son of a nutcracker. That's very intense to give him my nut allergy. Are they all for me? What about your friends over here? No, they're not able to read. Oh, I see. What's his name? Mike, Mike, the baby.

Mike, Mike, Mike, and then that's Mike. What's that one? Adios, America, the left... How the hell has you written so... I'm actually serious. How has she written so many books? Does she write like one a year? That is incredible.

Yeah, Adios America, the left's plan to turn our country into a third world hellhole. We all know what she was really wanting to say there. What was she? I mean, I don't think she was really trying to keep it a secret. It seemed like she was pretty clear. No, but I feel like if she could have got away with shit hole, she probably would have gone for it. That's semantics. That's definitely semantics.

But you can blame Regency Publishing, a division of Salem. I blame that guy. What's his name? Pasca, yes. Pasca, yes. The French mathematician. No, the guy with the theory about whatever it was.

Yes, the French mathematician. Blaise Pascal, 17th century mathematician and philosopher. Died quite young. How'd that work out for him? What? I don't even know what you're saying. I'm trying to read something and you're giving me a lecture about somebody I don't even know if they're real.

I know it's difficult to you to read, so I'll keep quiet. No, that's what I said about them. Oh, sorry, sorry, I'm getting confused. I could read this easily. even Somalia doesn't want Somalis Oh wow You know what's funny is that she genuinely could be writing that Like that might be an actual quote

That's what he, no, that's literally what he says It does You thought I made that up? It does, ladies and gentlemen, it does That is what it says It's not just Somalis bringing heinous cultural behaviors here and then claiming victimhood After an illegal alien from Mexico

snatched a nine-year-old, this is very vital. I mean, do you... As you already know, because you've already read it. Yeah. Do you disagree with it, by the way? Disagree with what? What she's saying? Are you denying that an illegal alien from Mexico

snatched a nine-year-old American girl off her bicycle in Ohio, dragged her to his house, and repeatedly re-kitt her? No, I'm sure he did. Okay, and you think that's okay? No, I don't. Okay, then it seems like you and Ann Coulter on the same page here. We're on that same page, yes. But I'd like to keep turning and see if there are more that we're not.

Which I'll do when I go home, because I mean, this is quite the reading list. If a genie gave you three wishes, what would they be? Am I allowed to ask for more wishes? No. I would probably ask for a loss of money, only because there are a few other things that you could wish for. A loss of money? A lot, a lot of money.

Although, in a way, maybe you should wish for a loss of money, because maybe the best thing that could happen to us is to just get rid of our possession. live on the streets. I don't think you need a genie for that. That's true. That is true. Although maybe you do because we're so desperately attached to our possessions that we really do need an exterior influence to actually allow us to let them go. Yeah, but these exterior influence is being commanded by you, so you would still have the same difficulty giving that up. Well, that's, yeah, it's sort of, I'm way ahead of you on this.

It depends on your view if you're free will, of course. I don't know. I'd ask for, I'd ask for money because there are so many things you can do with money, even if you just give it immediately away there's almost you would give it away i would certainly well it depends how much money then you would then you would completely make the amount of money meaningless i don't think that's true you gave enough away because of what you're essentially wishing for there is the ability to determine how money is spent this is completely different from the wish you just asked for by the way start with the money and then i guess the other things would be wishing i don't know i'd probably wish for another book by anne coulter okay

I'm not a genie. I don't know why you're looking at me. And then... I have been nice to you and I've given you a lot of gifts. That's right. And then maybe a wish involving my decision to participate in this interview. Now, I did notice that you didn't wish for the equality of black people. That's true.

I did not do that. But... So it seems like we're on the same page now. But with Moran culta books, I'm sure that I would become so morally, intellectually persuasive that I'd be... able to convince the world into anything i wanted it which may i don't even understand what you just said are you are you agreeing with her or not um i'm agreeing with some of what she said unseen are you disagreeing what she said about somalia and somalians well what did you say that somal even somalians don't want somalis even somali uh doesn't want somalians um i wouldn't know i've

never been to smalia have you that's not how going places work i could still still hear the news from there. That's true, but I think that, you know, to... You think I would go to Somalia? What, so they can eat me? I'm not sure. It depends where you went in Somalia. I don't think it's particularly safe, so maybe you'd be... I don't think there's a place in Somalia that you could go to that safe.

Really? You seem to know a lot about Somalia. I read and Colter books and that's... What's the capital of Somalia? I don't think they have a capital there. I don't think they have cities or anything. Probably a village like... Something like that?

that's incredibly you've guessed right oh you knew that have you read the book about it from Ancoulter um not yet but I can't wait which one should I start with um I was under here this is a good one the liberal victims and their assault on America

but to be honest I actually like the one that I just opened about the Somalis that one was really good because it's like I just opened to a random page and it was excellent I sort of can't believe there are so many of these. This is a first edition. I know that. I wonder if they printed any more. Maybe didn't make it past the first. That's not true, otherwise they wouldn't keep giving her books. Quite first edition. These are all first edition. They

could make some money on the I mean if you want to resell them feel free. I'm not giving you any conditions of what you have to do with this stuff. This is of course not a first edition. Why not? Because it's a paperback. Maybe they only did that one. That's possible, actually. But this appears to be a first print of the paperback edition anyway. Okay, so I was correct again. How exciting. The Library of Congress has cataloged the hardcover edition, so no. Which religion do you want to win? Advaita Vedanta.

What? Advaita Vedanta. It's a non-dualist. Vedic tradition. A non-Jewish dueling religion? Yeah, it is non-Jewish. It's also non-Juelist. I don't know what that means. It believes that there's only one kind of thing in the universe, and that's consciousness. And why would you want that to be? Is that something you already believe in? More or less, yeah. So then you're religious. But actually, that just seems like a school of thought, not a religion. Yeah, I think it's better putting it that way. But most religions are better thought of a school's thought then I wouldn't say that I would say that there's a difference between

those things where did you grow up I grew up in Los Angeles so in Western culture we have a tendency to sort of put a big box around religion and call it a thing that we do like religion job you know family it's true in West Hollywood there's a lot of gay people there so they're missing religion yeah and they probably put a box around that too and but traditionally religion has just been the air that people people breathe if you went to a to even even even relatively recently, you know, if you went and spoke to a Muslim in the early centuries of the Islamic calendar and said, you know, what's your religion? They might sort of be like, it's not really how we think about it, let alone the Hindu and

Buddhist tradition. Yeah, but you're cherry picking her. You're picking the ones that say what you want them to say. Well, can you name one that doesn't? Probably if I walked outside of where we are right now, I'm going to see about a billion Muslims. And I think, I don't know, probably a lot of them would disagree with that. Quite right, because we're in the West.

That's why I said, you know, the first century of the... Islamic calendar. Oh, you're from back in the day? From back in the first century of the Islamic calendar, which I'm... I don't know what that means. Is that like the next January or is that like a hundred January ago? No, Muslims date their calendar from a particular event in the life of Muhammad, his flight to Medina. That's where they start their calendar. So for them, it's it's literally a... You laughed at that. You're scoffing at them like you're better than them. But you know, you know what happens if they're right to you? You're, you're

screwed. Might be right, yeah. Okay, so maybe take up on that guy's offer. What guy? Pasca. Oh, Pasca, yes, yes, of course. Even though you're an atheist, do you ever round up at Panda for charity?

Do I ever... Round up at Panda for charity? Round up. When they give you that little thing, 25 more cents and you give it too late... Oh, typically no, I don't do that. I actually don't either, to be honest. Why don't you do that?

You hate pandas? No, it usually doesn't go to Pandas usually goes to Somalians Right, I do think There are probably more effective ways to spend your money Or at the very least, if you're going to donate 25 feet to charity It probably doesn't matter in that instance I often do press the button

But if you're going to do press the button If you're going to donate it has so much money, huh? I know, I know What can I say? What about people who can press the button They should feel worse than you? You'll get there eventually No, hopefully those are some of the people that will be helping

No, I mean those are probably just like like lower class people they're not like unable to eat people I would say I see what you're saying okay well I want everyone to be in a position where they can spare 25p that would be nice

but then there would be no reason to spare 25p quite right this is the issue with your wish earlier about the money and then we can spend on things like Coca-Cola instead wouldn't that be nice why would you want everybody to be addicted to drugs because we'd probably be happier and more content

and there'd be no standard of reality to compare it to. And this is what I'm talking about, the issue with these people, they have no morals. Yeah, that's atheists. They're like Jewish. That's, that's, that's, that's quite right, yes. What's your moral philosophy? What do you think makes something right or wrong?

Are you talking to me or the, uh, the, that baby? I'm not sure that, um, capable of much more than that noise he's been making intermittently since I walked in. Why? How do you know that? Well, I haven't tried, um, but I'm not sure. You haven't asked him a question, you're just assuming stuff. Well, I haven't been introduced.

I already told you his name. He told me his name. That's not the same as introducing somebody. You don't... I mean, I can tell you... When you're not introduced... When you're not introduced to somebody, you automatically assume that they're not capable

of being asked a question? Do you know the king's name? He didn't introduce to him, I think. Charles? I hope. Charles, yeah. Doesn't mean you know him, just because he knows his name.

I would assume that he's capable of answering a question, though. I wouldn't be, I wouldn't be so sure. But, yeah, okay. How's it going? Yeah, just as I thought. I think he just doesn't like you because he can tell. I mean, I hate to be prejudiced, but that's, that was, actually, that was more of a post-judice after the past, you know, half an hour of putting in. What did you say?

A post-judice. Punch Jewish? I agree with that, by the way. I'm not going to fist on that one. That's exactly what you just said. He's trying to talk to you. What's up? Is it healthy to stick?

a needle in your eye and spin it around? No. Okay. Why don't philosophers take steroids to become smarter? Does steroids make you smarter? There's probably a kind of steroid you could take that would affect the brain. And also, it is said that, you know, healthy body, healthy mind. I think that if you get in the gym and muscle up, you probably actually do have a genuinely better functioning mind.

Okay. But I'm not sure if steroids make that so artificial that it doesn't have the same effect. So why are you not on steroids then? How do you know I'm not? I mean, unless you're taking it. taking them and they're not working very well. You're a pretty skinny guy. That might be right.

I could... You also don't have great reflexes. You flinched that. If you're on steroids, you'd be so powerful that you would have let me even hit you if I had tried because your head would be so strong with steroids that my fingers would have been broken. Nice try.

Yeah, perhaps, but there are all kinds of steroids, right? People take steroids for medical purposes? For the metal head. For the what? Metal head. Metal head. So if you get punched in the head, the other guy's handbrakes.

Oh, is that a thing? They don't let the UFC fighters take them. Well, that's why I don't flinch when you, when you... You did flinch. I'm not sure that I did. Check the tape. I won't, you didn't give a massive flinch, but I also didn't do a massive attack. I cannot wait for you to cut back to an edited clip of me. You went like this, you went...

Sort of comically, like, badly edited, just like flying off to the side when you... You're going like that. That's right. And you're claiming that that's not what you did? I, you know, maybe my memory isn't very good We've already established that You flinched again I blinked, yeah, I'll give you that

You know that's a form of You're doing semantics with me again This is the whole game You get enjoyment with doing this to people Hey, I didn't flinch, I blinked and moved I'm having so much fun This is fun Absolutely

It's making me angry You know, you're not paying me Well, because it's self-promo For when you write a book one day Yes, that's also true when I write 15 books. I don't think you'll be able to get there to be completely honest. It takes a special type of person.

I can agree with that. I can agree with that. If religions aren't true, how come monks can float in the air with just their mind? Well, I don't think that they can. But some people genuinely... I've seen videos of it. Where have you seen those videos? All over social media.

Really? Yes. That's great. And do you believe everything you see on social media? I mean, no, but I know those videos are real. How do you know that? Because I saw it with my own eyes. Oh, yeah, yeah, okay.

That's great, man. You haven't seen the videos of that happening where they go? They're like kind of, you know. I have seen those videos, actually. And some people do really believe there are some sort of ancient reports of, you know, monks levitating. But it does seem that the only thing is. No, the videos are not ancient at all. They're in 4K.

Yeah, I think the modern ones are a bit more suspect. I'm afraid to say. I mean, I've seen David Blaine do the same thing. No, but David Blaine is a magician, right? Yes. Okay. exactly well do you know what they say about magicians

what they're not supposed to do what's that they're not supposed to reveal their tricks so it's possible that he's just really a monk exactly it's possible that the monks are really just magicians you might be talking about the same thing no no that you know what's the issue with that tell me is that the monks have to be

honest it's part of the religion yeah I haven't thought about that you're quite right yeah they must be floating okay I'm glad that you can be honest and admit when you're wrong. It's one of the best character traits person can have. When was the last time you were wrong about something? It's been a while. Yeah, I bet. How'd he get like that?

Like what? Um, okay, this is a smart one. Um, would you do you prefer French fry or cockroach? Um, probably a French fry right now, although I'd try a cockroach. Why not? I'm not asking if you try I'm asking which do you prefer Oh, then I would imagine that Cockroaches are probably significantly more impactful to the ecosystem than French fries are So probably the...

I'm asking about eating Oh, then a French fry Why is that? I think it's probably tastier Although I've never tried a cockroach So you're assuming stuff You don't really know You don't know that to be the case

That's right Okay Do you assume that the external world Outside of this building still exist? Do you assume that gravity will still still work in five minutes? No. Hen Colter's got this great book about which justifies the continuation of general relativity.

Somebody has read all of her novels and that she actually didn't say that. It's sort of synthesizes it with the observer effect phenomena of quantum mechanics. It's really interesting. It hasn't come out yet. She's coming on the podcast next week to talk about it. Really? Well, that kind of transitions into what I was going to say. We're going to have to end here because Longneck is coming

And I finally was able to get a hold of him And we can now film with him that I mean, long neck Longneck Yeah He's long neck He's also a philosopher He went to, I believe

What's that thing called? The university here, it's one of the top ones Here in London In the UK generally, what is it? The top university I think now is Durham actually Based on Lee's wonderful You might be thinking of Oxford or Cambridge Yeah, that one

Or King's College London Cambridge The St. Andrews? No, Cambridge. He went there. He's actually a professor there. I've been trying to get on my show for a while. He actually created game theory.

He created game theory. He created the idea of it. He's one of the originators. I kind of doubt that. Not that he did that. Well, that's because as we just established here, a big assumeer. That's true. That's right.

Because you don't assume that gravity will stay working in five minutes. So good luck to you. Watch your head. I'm not, well, I have nothing to be scared of it because I'm not assuming that it won't. Why do you assume that I will continue to understand the words that are coming out of your mouth? How do you know that my brain chemistry hasn't just altered, such that I no longer I don't believe in. I don't believe in that science. So what do you believe in? I believe in, it's enough about me, you know, what do you believe in? No, because it's your interview. If I, I do,

my interview now, what do you believe? No, that's not how that works. I believe that that's not how it works. You believe that that's not how what works? See, this is the, those words. word tricks again. I knew that I was going to have to deal with this when talking to you. Yeah, what you sign up for. Yeah, but I outsmarted you most of the time. That might be true. I was able to, because I think the issue in why people get frustrated talking to atheists and philosophers is because they try to face them at their level.

So when you're talking to a, it's like, imagine getting on the phone with a Pakistani guy and he's telling you your computer, he's busted, and you really interact with him. You're saying, no, it's not my computer, it's working. And he goes, oh, no, he does it. You know what I mean? You're going to lose your shit. But if you do what you're supposed to do and go, you're a scammer, I see you across the street.

I'm in London right now. I see you, man. You're at the store trying to sell somebody a vape right now. Then you'll get away from it pretty easily. Did you understand what I said or was that too high level for you? I think it was just about the right level. What a convenient answer. But you didn't seem like you really understood any of it.

It seemed like you understood how to say that. was on your level. I thought you said this was over. Yeah, we stopped filming. Now we're just waiting for long there. He's a little late. Watch your head on the way out. What's wrong?

It's a pretty big ceiling. Well, just in case gravity stops working, you know. But I'm not assuming it will. I have nothing to be worried about it. Yeah, but you just don't know, do you see? You might as well, play it safe. Yeah, but I'm also not assuming that I will be able to control gravity as well.

I don't say you're going to control it. I just said the difference. No, I'm saying I'm also not assuming that I won't be able to do that in five minutes. So you don't assume anything about the world? No. You really are a sort of free spirit. I am. I believe in the, I'm a free speech activist.

And I like the Second Amendment. Why do you like free speech? Why do I like free speech? Because I'm a patriot. Or are you a patriot because you like free speech? Which way around does it go? And you like the Second Amendment too. Yes.

I know you guys don't have that. I know I'm a fan of it in America. It makes sense that. It doesn't make sense here? A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people, keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. I don't see it that way. It's just like I like shooting birds and stuff in the sky.

That's right. They should write that down. Yeah, and First Amendment's great too, which of course also protects religious freedom. With Congress making no law, respecting an establishment of religion. So if you're... Longneck is here. Not so much for a fan of the atheists, then I would have a word with those. Jeffsonians.

Well, what a pleasure it's been. Very nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. I can see how you like Trump. Why? Why don't get it? It's quite a handshake. Okay.

Maybe meet longneck at the door. Yeah, all right. Well, I will see if I... It was very nice to meet you both, and I hope that you, you know, I locked you on. I take you. Yes.

Let me make sure. I mean, I gave you all of that. Well, maybe it's just a sandwich on just in case. You almost forgot some of them. All righty, thank you very much. Thank you, champs, and thank you.