The Matt Thomas Show with Ross - Bill O'Brien Gone & Astros Take Series Lead

Episode Date: October 6, 2020

Bill O'Brien Gone & Astros Take Series Lead

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This has got to be the saddest day of my life. I called you here today for a bit of bad news. I won't be able to see you anymore because of my obligations and the ties that you have. We've been meeting here every day. And since this is our last day together, I want to hold you just one more time. When you turn and walk away, don't look back.

remember you just like this. Let's just kiss and say goodbye. Oh, I respected the decision, John. You know, look, I know in this business, you know, when we, when we lost to Minnesota, a game that we, you know, we had a chance to win, give Minnesota credit. They did a great job. But I, you know, I knew that something like this could happen. That's, that's the business, you know, you start off like that. But I have tremendous respect. Cal called me and we had a nice conversation. You know, I thank them for the opportunity. And I told them they got a good team here and they'll turn it around. It's this one.

Well, Bregman thinks he's got it. It's up. It's up. It's up. It's up. It's division three to one. It's this one pretty well. Straight away center. I don't make excuses. You know, we just didn't do enough.

Whatever it is, you look back on it, hindsight's 2020, right? I mean, we just, the players played hard. We had a chance to win or at least tie the game at the end. there the other day, we, you know, scored the touchdown and been able to convert the two-point, but we didn't get it done. You know, so in the end, that's on the head coach, and I totally understand that. But looking back on it, I don't regret anything we did in this, especially this time period with what's going on with the, with the COVID protocols that we had to follow and all the different things we had to do. We just weren't able to win games.

Hit this one high in the air, center field. Sending Lariano back. He's a lot. on the warning track. It's gone. The Astros lead eight to five on a bomb to center field. This backspend to center field. It just kept carrying and carrying and carrying. And like we said, Correa owns Trevino. That was our day in a nutshell, sports RV. The sadness supposedly of watching Bill O'Brien go in front of the media and explain why he got his ass fired.

It wasn't that sad. Yeah, I wasn't that sad either. I was trying to sell it. I'll make it. Yeah, it'd be fine. He's got two years plus in his contract. Yes. And then this song,

this song just never, ever gets tired. Just play it a lot as you can. Oakland A's, Suck it. Jeff Hassan? Suck it. John Heaman.

Suck it. Buster only. And by the way, we can add C.C. Sabathea. Suck it, C. Mm-mm. What?

An interesting day in Houston Sports. Who doesn't love a little gap band, Matthew? You cannot get enough gap band. Can you name one more Gap Band song? Outstanding. No, I'm saying, can you just name one? Yeah. Oh, it's called Outstanding?

Okay. Yeah, that's a wonderful one. I've never heard that one, I don't think. Maybe I have? Maybe if we play, you might have heard of it. Okay. Oops upside your head. That's them?

Yeah. Did a, the Gap band did okay for themselves. Had some hits, Matt. That's got to be the most famous one right there. Of course. Where do you want to start? Oh, I'll know where I want to start. I'm going to give you a statement that you already disagree with me on before we walked in the studio today.

You mean we have organic disagreements on this show? I know. Here's a strange thing. Ross and I don't make up arguments. We don't need to call each other bitch either. Well, we do. It's awful. Under our breath.

Yeah, I was going to say, we do call it to the bitch. What are you talking about? I do call you that. Cal McNair did not fire Bill O'Brien yesterday. In fact, here's how I think it played out, and I have no inside information. J.J. Watt stormed into Cal's office yesterday. Cal is having lunch with his wife, Hannah. He's a lovely wife, Hannah.

Okay, so Hannah's in the guest chair. And I think they're probably having, like, chicken salad. on top of triscuits with some fruit. Nothing too heavy. River Oaks Country Club man doesn't sound like he's going to have chicken salad on Triscuits. But Hannah, but Hannah's watching cows weight. Probably prime ribs somewhere. No, no, no, no, no.

That's the easy narrative. Hannah's at the office of NRG because she's trying to keep cows weight under control. With some grapes or something for dessert? Yeah, it's Triscuits, it's chicken salad, it's grapes and it's sliced cheddar cheese. You got to get those antioxidants, Matt. So JJ walks in, not walks in. He lums it. He lumbers the door down.

Yeah. Really? He's like, I'm tired of this. Bleep, bleep, bleep, bleep, bleep, bleep, bleep. Meanwhile, Cal's got Trisket all over his face. He don't know what to think because he doesn't see this JJ Watt. He doesn't see this guy. He sees terrorizer on the football field.

He sees big-time fundraiser. He sees charity guy. He sees pleasant JJ. He doesn't see the nasty JJ because cow doesn't go down a locker room after games. Because he knows that that's not the prettiest sight of the world. It'll be a part of a locker that's losing again with a general manager and a head coach running things. So he storms in and says, It's me or him.

Out! And then he just walks. He walks away. So then Cal has a napkin over his stress shirt. He pulls it up, he's like, Hannah, what was that all about? Hannah says, I don't know what that was all about. but you've got to fire a bill today. So in terms of people that had to made the decision for Bill O'Brien to be fired,

in terms of who actually did it, it was JJ 1, Hanna 2, Cal 3. So a past his prime defensive end who's not been very effective on the field decided the fate of the Texans head coach. Absolutely. Did you see JJ watch Twitter less than an hour ago? Yeah, he just tweeted a picture. Of? of NRG Stadium with the roof open

And so we have evidence that the roof opens which is amazing That's right What else is in that picture? Uh, sunlight? Yes And it's shining on The organization Well it's shining on the field

I imagine he's out there for a workout On an off day On the turf Hey work never stops for JJ Watt Matt Rossi you must believe me when I tell you Okay J.J. Watt got Bill O'Brien fired yesterday. I will say this. I am certain I'm positive that Cal McNair got the temperature check from, not necessarily, literally COVID temperature check in 2020. You can't say temperature check.

That's true. But he tested the waters at least. I'm sure he talked to some of the leaders on the team, Deshaun Watson, J.J. Watt. I bet they were all consulted on what they thought about Bill O'Brien and whether or not he was capable of writing this ship. Now did J.J. Watt go in there and say either it's my way or the highway, he's out. I don't believe that. I'm absolutely. As you a relatively new member of this team, please believe me when I tell you that Cal that JJ got Bill O'Brien fired. Believe me, my argument's much stronger than Ross is at this point. Do you think J.J. Watt said, I fire the head coach or I'm out and Cal McNair said, okay. I think it's unlikely it was, yeah, it's him or me. Yeah, screw you. Now, if you want to sell me, now, I thought this is where you were. going to bring us, that Jack Eusterby is in Cal McNair's ear and is saying, hey, you know what the problem is. It's Bill O'Brien. Now, I'm definitely ready to buy that one. That also is happening. I'm definitely ready to buy that. And by the way, what major market radio host told you that

Jack Easterby was going to out-survive Bill O'Brien? You said the next season. So if he's here next year, you're in. You're right. You're right. Here's what I want to tell you. I hope I'm wrong on that one. Jack Easterby needs to be your needs to be out. as that whatever he is. This organization made the move it had to make yesterday. But Rossi, it is, this organization is in a world to hurt. You have to scrap the coaching staff. You have to scrap the front office.

You have no draft picks. You have spent crazy money on contracts. This is not an attractive job. And oh, by the way, the first thing the general manager is going to have to do. You ready for this, Rossi? Is tell somebody that they may not be walking back in 2021.

I'll tell you who I think that could be in a moment. I don't even know. I'm intrigued, Matthew. I'll hang on through the break. I would hope you would. It's called a major market radio teas. 713. 212-790. 713-212-5-790.

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713-212-5-790. Rossi, I don't know. I've been in this business for almost 30 years. I don't know of a more, one of the more. This has got to be a top five, top seven interesting days in sports. You're watching the Texans make a move that shocked, I think, the entire football world. There was no one that had been leaning towards it, not even the football. I know what's going on inside the bubble kind of texting thing.

Nobody was talking about this. Nobody was. I agree. So, shocker moment. And then as soon as it happened, the Astros' offense started going. Yes. They coincided with each other. Word must have spread throughout the Astros Clubhouse.

Yeah, somebody must have whispered something. I think Bergen must have been unchecking Twitter and then he hits a home run. Hey, the beloved local nine are up won nothing. And they beat up a really good Oakland bullpen. I mean, got to him. McCullors, it would be nice if you can get, you know, to the fifth. Yeah, without giving up three home runs. He's just never good outside of Minutemate Park.

I don't care if it's a playoff game or not. But thank God, Jose Altube 2 for 4. George Springer, 4 for 5. Boy, George Springer is making his farewell tour as a Astro very memorable. And the bad news is he's never going to pitch in Minutemade Park again as this season. Yeah. Maybe, yeah, obviously next year. but so he's got to get it together at some point.

Okay. I understand that the balls were flying out of the Dodger Stadium yesterday, but there was too many times where he, I mean, some of those were not cheapies. There was too many times where he was getting barreled up. I think it was like six or seven times. He got what is designated as a barrel. Blake Taylor, Anni Peretti's, Christian Javier, Ryan Presley.

They didn't give up any runs. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. So they can do it. Why can't Lance McCullors? Yeah. Let's go. Let's go. One nothing. Game two coming up today, 2.30 on deck show. Chris Gordy and Michael Connor will host the edition of the show leading up to a 3.30 first pitch. And then Adam Wexler and I will do the 10th inning show tonight.

Oh, really? Yeah. It's Matt and Wex. Well, see, Wex is kind of like... So it's Matt and Adam on the Post game. That's actually true. He likes to work. He's got things to say. That's good. So... You got to call me out like that. I'm trying. No, you are trying. You're grinding. Ross will be handling these social media duties. Yes. So if there's tweeting, like a mutta, it's sports RV doing it.

And if it's terrible, it's probably Gordy sent it out. Yeah. Or if it's got grammatical errors, it's probably me. Yeah, Michael Connor or somebody else. All right. So to my assumption, oh, by the way, what I said, the person that may be gone, JJ Watt needs to move after this year. If this team does not make the playoffs,

what do you, Nick, give me somebody. that you can get back in something in return? Nothing. You can't get anything back in return for J.J. Y.J. I don't think so, no. I'm not saying first round pick. I'm saying just stockpile picks. Next year, he's owed $17 million. And there would be no dead cap to cut him. There's no dead cap if you want to cut him right now. Just saying. I don't want J.J. to go. But let's be brutally honest, this season's over.

you fire your coach the fourth of the way through you're not going to usually generally not going to be battling through the playoffs and you go with the coaches had no success as a head coach now Romeo's done some nice things as a filling before was he a filling in was he filling in Kansas City yes and then he did well enough to earn himself the job there right

or was that in Cleveland or was in Cleveland I can't remember where it was he did well enough in one of his interim spots to earn himself the job and I think it was Kansas City and then he was just a disaster Yeah. He's, and look, he's 72, 73 years old. He's the oldest head coach in the history of the NFL now. He's been replaced twice as a defensive coordinator. Mm-hmm. And he looks like he's just going to read you a nice bedtime story with those little half glasses that he has. No, he's got a lot of things going on in his head. But at 73, he doesn't want to put the time in, and I don't blame him to look at everything. I mean, this season's done. Yeah, he went two and one as the interim head coach in Kansas City. They got, they were like, all right, let's go. You got two wins?

Well, he got two wins the whole next season. He went two and 14. Don't bring that up. We were just trying to gloss over that. By the way, if you want to join us, 713, 212, 5, 790. All right, so I think you have to completely scrap the organization. First of all, you're going to get a new coaching staff. And by the way, our gut feelings today, we don't narrowly narrow our gut feelings down.

But today we're going to do that. Okay. Each of us, Brandon, you and me, are going to come up with three candidates. And they can all be the same. I doubt the three of us are going to have the same three. I only need one, Matt. It's going to be Rick Smith, GM, Gary Kubiak coach. Do you know, I've heard that?

I'm kidding, I hope. No, I mean, but I'm saying I've heard it. No, I know. I mean, Gary can still coach. I just don't think he would be a, no. You have got to cleanse this organization. Don't you? I'm trying to find.

Did you see there was a list of coaches who, it's not a lot, who have been, who've been fired after week four. You mean in general? Yeah, you don't normally get. fired this early into the season. Usually you get fired when you have a buy week the week after. It gives your chance that interim coach to go in there and do his thing. Usually later in the season.

Okay. So they have to, they've already done some of the house cleaning. Jack Easterby cannot be a part of this organization. Jack Easterby has zero experience running a football front office. And that was Cal's biggest mistake.

Whether Bill said Cal, this Jack Easterby guy is so cool that he can help me run this football team or Jack Snow, what do you call it, put the wool over the eyes of the organization, whatever. A wolf and sheep's clothing? Yeah, I like that.

Some of the worst moves this organization has made in terms of signings and trainings and lack of free agent keeping has been when Jack Easterby has been in Houston, Texas. He's a chaplain. That's it. He's not a salary cap guy. He's not a draft evaluator. He's not a, I mean, it would be like you, it'd be like if the Texans call me and said, Matt, come run our front office. I'd be honored. I'd love to try. I don't think I'd be very good at it.

I think you'd do it, Matt. Breaking down tape like a muddha. You'd be drafting a lot of Houston Cougars. No, here's what I would be doing. If they called and said, Matt, be the general manager of the team. I would then say, what's my pool of money to use to get the best people around me? So you'd, you'd hire Dana Holgerson, and then you'd draft a bunch of U of H players. Well, you wouldn't start till the third round. This is the problem with what you're saying about how they're definitely, I'm with you. I mean, as far as there's needing to be some kind of reset, you don't have a first and second round pick, and you have your franchise quarterback, and unfortunately, he's already signed to a huge deal. So what you said in the first segment about this not being an attractive job for

general manager. In some ways, obviously, it's easier because you have Deshawn Watson, but that makes it more difficult because he's going to be signed to $40 million over next couple years. And oh, by the way, what's the salary cap going to look like over the next? next couple of years. We don't know. Jack, if you really believe that Cal has changed and he's not his father, he has to let Jack Easterby go. I agree. It would be pretty weak sauce to keep Jack Easterby. If Jack Easterby hoodwinks himself and keeping a senior level job with this organization, then it's really not. It goes to my scenario of JJ went in there and said it's me or him.

if Cal's really going to be different, Cal has to say, where are we? How did we get here? And more importantly, Ross, what's the future? And the future is huge contracts on Zach Cunningham, huge contracts on Whitney Mercilus, not resigning or training DeAndre Hopkins, paying Laramie Tunsell insane amounts of cash and having no first and second round pick. And losing free agents like Kareem Jackson and losing free agents like. like Tyron Matthew and not being able to get fair market value for Judeaubian cloning. Ross, we could go on and on and on and on on this. He has to cleanse the organization. And that's why, again, new general manager and new coach, Rossi, I got some news for you. You get the right people and it works. I eat John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan, new general manager, new coach, they're in the Super Bowl within three years of being there.

That'd be nice. So this whole thought of, well, we have to have something cohesive from, you know, the tie us to the future. BS. Yeah, you got to hit the reset button.

You have to completely cleanse. Now, is this you're going to suck? Yep. Is probably next you're going to be awful too? Yep. You have to cleanse yourself of high contracts. You have to make some trades.

You've got to get back in the draft game. And you have got to figure out how this enormous amount of money that you're spending for a team at's 0 and 4 has to be cleaned out immediately. We take your phone calls next. 1227, the Matt Thomas Show. Coming up at 1 o'clock, each of us will have three candidates, and it's wide open. Coordinators, head coaches, college people, whomever you want.

Just a gut feeling on who you think should be up for grabs. I think there's one name that all three of us will go with because it has been the name that has been talked about as much as anybody. But I don't believe that person's the favorite for the job. It's a gut feeling I have. 130, Aaron Reese and the athletic joins us. 2 o'clock, Dana Hogerson joins us. I don't think Dana Hogerson wants the job.

I didn't think he just wants to coach somebody. He don't care who it is. If the Cougars don't play Tulane this week because of the hurricane coming to New Orleans and they can't get here, then we all are going to go into a loony bin. Because that would be yet another reason why the Cougar season doesn't start. 1228, sports talk, 7. with a message here for oops steam cleaning.

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At SportsMpti, at SportsMpte, and at Brendan Riley. underscore we've got Astros baseball on deck begins in 2.30. Game 2 today. Frumbert! We'll throw for the local 9. I had A's and 4. I'm gladly ready to take the out on that one.

Well, they couldn't win the next three, Matt. It's possible. No, it's not. The A's could, yeah. No. It's possible. No, not possible. Matt, have you ever in your life picked a series and stuck with it? No, yeah, I had Astros and 2. Okay. I guess you didn't really have a chance to flip that, though. In my history with this show, if you have a chance to flip, you do.

The look that Brendan is getting from Matt right now. It took one game and he's ready to flip his whole prediction. No, I said, A's and four, and I hope I'm wrong. I didn't say I'm flipping. Hopefully you had to flip after tonight. I will, can I, am I, I'm allowed to flip a four, 2.30. You're allowed to flip whenever you want. I just, I'm pointing out that you do.

Yeah, but if I flip a 229, then you guys, guys can't give me any grief until tomorrow. Yeah, we can. Unless you do the very last second, if you say, all right, guys, talk to you tomorrow and Ashworth the 4th. And then 10-3 just cut everyone's mic off. You'll have to listen today until 2.30.

That's true. That's true. Let's go to Robert and Corpus Christi on the Matt television. Robert, good afternoon. Yes, you know, the natural baseball media is so biased and corrupt. I was listening to an interview on MLB Network after the game after they're interviewing Springer.

And I forget the name of the anchor, but it's all of them. And they're going on about, do you feel that you're proving by how you hit today that the cheating that you've done the last three years, you know, that you can put it behind you? You know, do these people not understand that the science stealing happened in 2017? It didn't happen in 18 or 19 when the Astros had monster hitting years, like last year when it was a record year. but they insist on going on that the Astros can hit unless they cheat. And Springer looked flustered and frustrated. And this is one of the reasons that a lot of these Astros like Springer

are willing to leave because they don't want to keep hearing this crap over and over and over. No, no, no. I got to stop you there. If George leaves, it's not because of that. George is going to leave because he's got to get more money. So let's, I want to make sure you have me up until that point. No, well, I don't mean to imply that he's not going to leave for more money. What I mean is that it's so frustrating for these players to have, you know, like the game they had yesterday.

And these people in the media won't leave it alone. They're not. You know why? But, Robert, it's easy for them. It's easy. It's easy to go. Well, I don't want to give the Astros any credit for winning the two games in Minnesota. I don't want them to give them any credit for beating up one of the best bullpens in baseball.

We'll just go to the, what's it like? if you guys been down the dumps this year, it's easy, it's lazy, it's ill-informed, and they get away with it because 49 and a half states in this country are on their side. Yeah, they're corrupt of the national news media. They have a bias, a Northeast bias, these reporters, like the onlys and all those. And they just won't leave it a little. I tuned in by mistakes. I don't even listen to them anymore, but I missed the game, so I wanted to watch, you know,

what happened. And the first thing I hear is, you know, it's like, do you feel this is redemption for the cheating that you all have done that maybe now you'll prove that you can hit with a, they didn't do it in 18 and 19. They had monstered. They've already disproven it. And Springer looked like, it was like flustered, like, like how often can I, do I have to keep answering this crap? You know, this is why I stopped watching a lot of this stuff now. I know. And Robert, thank you for the phone call, and we appreciate listening to us down in Corpus Christi. unfortunately they're going to have to answer this

for the rest of their major league careers I wish I could give them a better answer it's never going to be not a part of the narrative that's true but now I'll say this Bill Belichick cheated multiple times we still talk about it occasionally

now we don't bring it up a lot but if you were to Ross if you want to get into a real good nasty fight with somebody about the Patriot way, you'd go to SpyGate pretty quick, wouldn't you not? Yes.

You go to SpyGate Gate, you go to the Bills accusing them of taping them last year. There was another, wasn't there two teams that accused them and a Bengals game? Bingles, yes, it was Bengals. They had a whole issue there.

But you know what happened? You know what we don't talk about as much? Because they went. You know what's going to have to happen when they're going to have to win this year, at least make it to the next round at the very least. That's the floor for them to

somewhat shut the haters up. You make a World Series and you lose to a better Dodgers team or something like that. I think most people who are logical baseball fans would forgive them for that. There's just not as much as a talented team as they were the last three years. But going forward, they have to perform well. Jose Al Tuve, Breggman, Springer, Correa, even no matter where Springer goes, you're going to have to hit, you're going to have to perform well and you're going to have to win games. That's the only way to do it. So far, so good in the playoffs. Three games played. Three wins. George Springer became the sixth player in club postseason history to hit a four head.

hit game. That's good. Alex Bregman, two hits. Homeward for the fourth consecutive year on October the 5th. Yes. That's the day of Bregman, correct? It's Breggman Day. Breggman Day.

I like that. It's a day where we can sit back and reflect and watch playoff baseball and watch Alex Bregman hit a home run. And Bill O'Brien got fired the same day. Winner, winter and chicken dinner. October 5th was a day for Houston, Texas in 2020. And normally I don't feel good about people that get fired. Because I would have to assume that at some point in your life, almost everybody has been fired from something.

Hey, I didn't get fired, man. I quit. Yeah, you walked the middle of the shift at Cheddar. That's not true. It was pre-shift. Okay. That story always seemed to be changing, but that's fine. That's not true.

It consistently stays? Yeah, it was a pre-shift meeting. I might have been a few minutes late. And you, there's a real stunner. Brendan, he didn't show up on time. Imagine that. Oh, whoa. You took 11 croissants with you as you walked down the door.

that might be true too, but that's, as Matt Thomas would say, neither here nor there. I would do the exact same thing. If I was working at Cheddar, I'd take the biscuits too. But here's my point. I don't root for people to get fired. Me either. But he's an a-hole. So I don't really feel terrible. And he's being paid. By all accounts, he seems to be an a-hole, especially with, did you see the Aaron Wilson? Aaron Wilson was just unloading. You loved it, didn't you? I didn't, I didn't not like it. I kept retelling, like, damn, Aaron Wilson's got somebody just spilling the beans. On 2020, the kids say spilling the tea.

Okay, they were spilling the tea in 2020. It's spilling the bean sounds better. Can you read two Aaron Wilson tweets? You want to read a couple of those? Let me get a call on them. There's three good ones. Go ahead. You got them right in front of you?

Yes. Okay, go ahead. Bill O'Brien had lost confidence in the organization, including several players and was increasingly prone to arguments with staff, including a recent and loud verbal exchange in front of players on the practice field, according to sources. Former Texans coach Bill O'Brien's legendary temper flared up multiple times in recent years with a series of arguments throughout the building and energy stadium. And last but not least, the...

This is the best one. What would you call this? The coup de grace, whatever it is. The fait accompli. Yeah, that too. When former Texans coach Bill O'Brien fired people over the years, he did so with a lot of F bombs and orders to get the F out of the building. immediately purse horses.

That wasn't how he was dismissed today by Cal McNair, though. Shade. Shade. Shade. Aaron Wilson dropping the hammer. God. Aaron's our guy. Love Aaron.

On twice a week here on 790. That's right. I want to get mad at Aaron Reese for not getting that kind of stuff. That was good stuff. All right. 713-212-5-790 is how you reach the show. 7-1-3-212-5-7-90. If you want to reach you out,

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Klein in here. He hardly works anymore. I mean, literally hardly works. Do you know how painful this is, Matt? You're being here at 1247? Yeah, I'm sure it's very painful for you. That is excruciating. I didn't say excruciating. I said painful. It's painful that we're having like one of the biggest 24-hour periods in Houston sports history.

And we don't have a show because, and I'm glad that the Astros are not only playing, but they're winning. Right. Suck it. But, you know, it's painful to me, to Wex, to Joe, that we don't have an outlet. So I just wanted to take over... It's funny because Wax is doing the postgame show with me today. Yeah, I don't know what to talk. I don't really know what to say about that.

Okay, fair enough. I just want to make sure you knew that. I was not contacted. Well, you're... Come on, and whenever you want. Nobody asked. I'm just doing what I was told. Chris Gordy.

So, yeah, I'm excited, though, but I'm very excited about what happened yesterday, right around. What was inning was that? Because the Astros were down. It was when they were starting hearing at home runs. Yeah, no, the Astros are down. The news breaks, and they start popping off home runs.

So I'm just a... static. What a great day for Houston. And all we need now is the Rock is to hire their coach in the next 12 hours. Which says it'll probably happen, right, the way things go in this town? That'd be nice. Are you okay, Ross? You're acting weird today. Am I? I think you're on, are you on time delay?

No. Did you go somewhere over the weekend and get really hammered? No. You're just odd today. You're off. I haven't been drunk. I don't went the last time I was actually drunk. It's been months. Okay. You're just not as talk as you usually are. I'm just letting you talk. The floor is yours, Adam. Well, I've said what I've said.

All right. One to 10. Because you got to squeeze, what, 15 hours worth of a show in this one segment. So you guys are actually talking. You shut up. You're working really hard this week. What are you going to ask? One to 10.

How good is the general manager's job? Because I'm, again, I'm all for Jackie Street being fired. He needs to be out of here. Let me just say that. Because I was listening to you a little bit. And I was like, yes, yes. Like she's on her phone on the car. And I'm like, you know, listening to you guys.

Absolutely what you said, 200%. If you keep. Jack Easter be around, then you might as well have just kept everybody else in place as well. That means that Cal doesn't have a feel of what's going on. If you are keeping him until the end of the season for continuity and then you clean house at the end of the year, you get him, you get him out, you get a coach, you get GM.

I think you should hire GM first and then you decide what the coach is going to be based on that. But I think that's going to be hard to do because the coaching names are the sexy names and that's what's already flipped. You're not hearing a bunch of GM names being floating around. hear names, but you'll be like, oh, that sounds good, or that guy's got, that team's good. But you're not hearing the names as you, as frequently as you are coaching candidates.

So I think I'll go first. The general manager's job one to ten, three. It's not pretty. They don't have a first round or a second round this year. You just perked up. You have a franchise quarterback. It's not a three. But what else do you have? You have to put stuff around him. What else do you have? You have no first and second round picks. You have a left, you have a franchise. Okay, the three biggest things that you have to worry about as a general manager long term are quarterback, your left tackle, and probably your most dominant pass rusher. So it's not JJ Watt right now. So I'm not saying that's taken care of.

I'm saying two of those three are taken care of. That's a good point. So that's, that's, it's not a three. If you have Deshawn Watson, who everybody universally says is one of the best young talents in this, in this game, that's what you're looking for. That's the most, the most important thing to a general manager's success is a good franchise quarterback. So you have a franchise quarterback now, you have a franchise left tackle, and you still have a good

defensive player and JJ Watt and your own four. Yeah. You have to build around them. And you need a better coach. It's five too low for your tastes. Five is fine. Three is too low. I think you're right at five because those are,

because he just listed very, very important, you know, aspects of what you need to build the core. I will say in your, in your argument, on your side of the argument, though,

is you're all, you're paying them all a premium. It'd be nicer to have them under, it'd be nicer to have them under rookie deals. Correct. But they're both being paid premium, premium, premium, premium, premium dollars at their physical. And you had no control over that.

Especially in the case of Laramie Tunsell. You're probably still, even though he's a franchise left tackle, you're still probably overpaying him slightly. You overpaid because the dollars being paid plus the three mass massive draft mix. You're also overpaid because the two people in the negotiating room were the player and the coach who was playing the role of the GM and the player was also playing the role of his agent. It's astounding to me. Good for Laramie Tunsell. I'm going to stay with three because you have a lot of nasty contracts.

that have to be rid of. Yeah. And let's be honest, you're not a great free agent place to go. Every free agent that has come here has been highly overcompensated. And if you're going to change the culture of the franchise, you can't do that anymore. Do you remember when Bill O'Brien was hired and that was the big phrase that he was changing the culture around the building because he was taking the players pictures above their lockers off the walls and in the cafeteria? I just remember Cal saying flatter structure. I just can't get past them.

Well, that was last year. Yeah. But when Bill O'Brien got hired in 2014. one guy in charge. His name is Bill O'Brien. It's pretty flat. Leaning. So I say three.

And you know what? I could probably, you guys have both done a good job convincing me to maybe a four. It's not great. It's not, I can't pull the trigger in five months. You're losing the draft pick. So we're all going to agree.

It's not a great situation. Who's the best coaching name out there that's flowing around? You'll find out at 1 o'clock. Oh, my bad. On the Matt Thomas show. Well, so much for that. I guess I got to go in a different direction now. For the head coat.

coaching job, I would have to lean a little higher because you do have a franchise quarterback. To your point, Ross, you do have a left tackle that you feel like you can protect that guy with. If it's that name that he just coughed. And if you caught, you caught it. Rhymes with Shemite. Shminami. Yeah. You think that he's just going to, well, oh, Houston wants to me.

I'm just, he's going to have suitors. He's had suitors lined up. Well, that's the thing that bothers me is, why hasn't he gotten a job yet? Maybe he's waiting for the right situation. And look, to Ross's point, this could be it. because this is the closest you're going to get to Patrick Mahomes if you're going to leave Patrick Mahomes. I mean, Lamar Jackson's that organization is.

I like his offensive coordinator as well. Let me tell you, is Ozzie retired, retired, or can you coax him out of retirement? Because let me tell you, that's my GM today, tomorrow, for all time. That guy knows football. He can build a franchise. I'd go find out who Chris Ballard's best friend is and hire that dude. Well, let's, I mean, as far as Eric Biena and his options,

What jobs are probably? Matt Patricia's probably gone. Let's go over the possibilities. Adam Gates is probably gone. Detroit, Jets, Houston, Atlanta, that's four right out the top of my head. Atlanta's probably not a bad landing spot. I don't know. Julio Jones is getting past his prime.

Matt's not getting any younger. The best quarterback situation is going to be right here. Probably, yes. And that's what you need to start. Is Mike Zimmer in trouble in Minnesota if they don't like the playoffs? That's five. If he hasn't beat the Texans, he's winless. Yeah, would you, well, the Vikings beating the Texans, regardless of that, or forgiving that,

I would say the Texans is still probably a better overall situation. Okay, so there's five right there. Kirk Cousins got rid of Bill of Brian. Because you're locked up to John Watson a long time. You're like, okay, well, okay. You'd rather have that than be locked up to Kirk Cousins. Yeah. So I think the Texans job is a six.

For a coaching standpoint. From a coaching standpoint. Okay. It's a better job for a coach, and it is the general manager has got to come in here. Mike McCarthy might not be long for that Dallas job. Dude, Jerry loved him at that press conference uncomfortably. Yes. Yeah, I thought when he put his tongue in his ear, it was really inappropriate.

He admitted about lying about breaking down every play. In the press conference, he admitted about lying about breaking down every play, and now he's one in three. And honestly, should be Owen four of Atlanta knows how to do an outside kick. Yes. But some more important things like the team here. I mean, 790 of the team, we're doing fine. Yeah, we're great.

better chemistry than we've ever had ever let me tell you something when you get rid of a cancer in an office it changes everything i'll tell you a few cancers actually um like i've completely lost my train of thought because of what you just did why do you do anything why did you do you do that to me we're talking about would eric bianami want to come here and i think it's one of the more attractive jobs that'll be open i had a really good point now i just what i have to do is i have to do some recon on how many jobs has he gone after over the years? And why has he struck out? I'm always leery of guys that always finish second.

Is this like a hot chick who's never been married long term? Why is she crazy? Gary Kubiak finished second half time after time after time and then finally got a shot and well, he was all right. Coobiak was supposed to be the original coach here. Von Miller and the defense won that Super Bowl. To use your reference, why is the 41-year-old hot girl? who always has boyfriends.

But Jennifer Aniston gets lumped into this a lot. I was just about to curse. She's Bat Bleep. Is Eric Banyi Bat Bleep? There's always some kind of work, man. I don't think he is. There's no extremely hot girl in her 30s who is with either

has to be a divorcee, maybe has kids. But that would be married though. Exactly. If she has none of those, that's a huge red flag, Matthew. Okay. Hallie Barry is another one of those. She's, well, have you heard what her boyfriends have said about her? Well, David Justice.

Didn't he beat her up? Wait, but wasn't, wasn't? I can't speak to that. But Anna. You were there. But Jennifer Anderson married Brad Pitt, right? She did. Okay, so that is an angelina Jolie came along and broke it all up.

Okay, but I need, I need the hottest girl in the world who's never been married in that 35 to 45 age group. Oh, I'll give you one. Was Jennifer Annison never been married? We just, to Bradford. Where did you have? We just said that. I'm here, I think. Are those long locks just hurting your ears?

I was trying to... When are you going to cut your hair? Never. Why don't you cut it? Why? Why don't you grow yours? I can't. It looks better this way.

Now, you've been on the air 10 minutes. Are you going to claim overtime today? I mean, if I do another second. Are you exhausted? Do you need a nap? I need to go to drink. You guys have a great day. I'm going to take the rest of the day off.

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I love this segment. And usually we don't make it specific. We just have just general things. And if we wind up hitting them, we brag on them. If we don't hit on our arm, we just kind of go, Well, why we tried. Did you find the opening sounder? Brendan's looking, looking, looking, cannot find it. Well, it's time for the gut feeling.

Okay. The gut feeling this week, oh, here it is. Now we have the official introduction. Listen up, girls and boys. This is their gut feeling on the Matt Thomas show. All right, here we go, boys. This week is a specific one. Three candidates that I have a gut feeling will be seriously considered

for the job. First of all, Eric B. Enemy goes with all three of us, right? Do do, do, do, do, do, do, do, all right? Should we do, should we do outside of him? Yeah, I'll see outside of him. Gut feeling number one, they will kick the tires on Dobbo Sweeney. Okay. Okay. They will kick the tires on Urban Meyer. But the gut, the biggest gut of gut feelings for me, Josh McDaniels New England is in a transition phase Bill Belichick you don't know how long he's going to be there these aren't your same patriots

I don't know if Robert Kraft has ever given him the authority to be like you know once he leaves it's your job Josh McDaniels has been willing to leave New England once and actually left twice for a short period of time I think if he could coach Deshaunne Watson during the very much prime of his NFL career, he'd love that opportunity. So my biggest gut of my gut feeling is that Josh McDaniels

will be a serious candidate to become the coach of the Texans. Will it hit? I don't know, but that's just my gut feeling. Okay. Urban Meyer. Urban Meyer and Davo to me are just really crazy ones. But that's what gut feelings are. Okay.

Just crazy out-of-the-box thoughts about who could become the new coach of the Texas. Because let me tell you something. Urban. can't play the college game much longer unless he's going to take the job at Texas. Well, maybe he should.

Maybe he should seriously consider it. Is that a good feeling for you? No, I don't think that's going to happen. I don't think so either. Tom Herman's going to turn this thing around and win the Big 12. Ross, there's just too many rules in college football for Urban to Pat to go by. What do you mean?

Well, he ain't a rule follower. He's not? No, not really, no. Issues at Ohio State, issues at Florida, not a great rule follower. Just recruited like, you know, that murderer guy. Murderer guy? I mean, like Aaron doesn't get his name anymore?

Yeah. Lack of self-control within the department? All right, moving on. Lack of institutional control? That's right. All right, so who your gut feels? I'm definitely with you on Josh McDaniels. If Cal's going to do this anything like his father,

his father was enamored with the Bill Belichick coaching tree, which obviously has been proven to not be that great. And the latest example of that being Bill O'Brien, but I think Josh McDaniels will be considered. I think he should be considered. I've mentioned Eric Beanimy. I'm going to go with the guy I like in Greg Roman, the offensive coordinator with the Ravens. I like what he does with their running game. I think he's very inventive. He works with a quarterback in Lamar Jackson, who is mobile.

He gets easy. He's got him. I mean, he's one of the knocks. Lamar Jackson coming out of college was that he couldn't pass. That's why he slipped so far in the draft. Well, he led the entire NFL in passing touchdowns last year. Okay. And is Deshawn Watson up to that caliber of talent that remains to be seen?

But I like Greg Martindale long. I mean, Greg, Martindale, Martinale is the defense coordinator. Greg Roman, I like. And you know what? I'm going to go with the offensive coordinator with the Buffalo Bills. Brian Dabble. It's funny, the picks you have gone with

have all taken quarterbacks and amplified their game. That's what I'm thinking that if, if Calgoals are the general manager first or a coach first, I'm not sure. I would imagine they'll be looking with guys who've worked with mobile quarterbacks, Josh Allen, mobile, Josh Allen, making huge leaps this year. Yeah.

So, yeah, that's what I'm going with. All right. What are you got, Brandon? Well, Ross took a lot of wind out of my sales. Yes. I had the enemy as you guys did, but keeping him out of it. My number one is Greg Roman. Not only is he had his success with the mobile quarterback in Baltimore, but they completely redid the offense over one offseason in San Francisco.

Not even one off season, I don't believe. That offense changed the moment Kaepernick took over the job in San Francisco. So I think a quarterback or a coach who's worked with multiple young mobile quarterbacks. Two different places and took them to two Super Bowls, for sure. Makes a lot of sense. Well, Baltimore didn't go Super Bowl, but got to the best record. Continue, I'm sorry. Number two for me, Brian Daible, the offensive coordinator in Buffalo.

I'm all about the guy who's worked with the young mobile quarterback. That's the way the league's trending. If you can get a guy who's had success in one of those offenses, I think it's the route that makes the most sense. Now, I don't have Josh McDaniel. I actually think they're going to stay away from the Patriots this time. I decided to go with one defensive mind. guy.

Ooh. And that's Robert Sella, at Sella, I believe, out of San Francisco. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The head coach over there is an offensive-minded guy, so you like bringing in a defensive-minded coach. They've dealt with all sorts of injuries, and it's still kept a high-end defense.

I think for him to really be considered, you're going to need to see San Francisco finished this year with the high-end defense, but going in a little bit of a different direction with that one. Guys, as you brought out these coordinators, Does it take the general manager searching these guys out? Would Cal make... Because here's the thing.

If you're Cal, if you're Cal, if Jack is sticking around, Jack's got to be a part of this decision, correct? I think so. How do you, how does Cal say, we're looking for some new people, and Jack, we don't need you to be involved with it? Wouldn't Jack then suddenly want to resign and say, maybe I'm not long for here?

You just say, hey, well, this was a trial period for you, let's see how you do, and then you should get rid of them. Please, guys, let's make this oath. We're all going to scream and yell if Jack used to be remains in this spot. If he gets a new assignment, like if he's character coach, I can live with that because he's selling baloney. I mean, whatever. But he can't be involved in football operations. I would be shocked if he's the general manager next year.

He'd be the most unqualified general manager maybe in the hit. Well, Matt Millen was the all-time, most non-qualified. At least he played the game. That's true. the most unqualified. All right, we got somebody here that has a Astro's gut feeling. Ooh. I like Astro gut feelings.

Mike in the Heights, what's your gut feeling? Go ahead. What's going on, guys? Hi. My gut feeling is that we're going to sweep the Oakland AIDS. I'm coming in hot with that one, but that's my gut feeling. And the way that we played yesterday, it just proved my feeling even more right. I spoke to you guys a couple weeks ago about.

about how if we turned on the back, the rest of the league would have something to worry about. And that's just what happened yesterday afternoon out there in Dodger Stadium. We exploded on them. And I think they're in trouble. If our pitching can get out there and handle up without letting five runs on the board, we can shut them down and open up shop. And I'm excited for the game today.

I'm excited to see how the series goes. but I really think that we can sweep them. I love that gut feeling, Mike. Mike, thank you very much. We need more of that gut feeling. Astros. Oh, by the way, am I going to change my vote again? It's your show, Matt.

You do whatever you want. What time is that show on today, 226, basically? What's the very last time I can change my vote? I had A's and four yesterday. You can tweet it out at 2 o'clock in the morning, Matt. Nobody's stopping you. Yeah, but I'll get crap from people, so I'd rather just doing the show and no one listens to me.

112 is our time. And that was gut feelings. See, I don't know the coordinator game as strong as other people do. I think people that run of the coordinator game is... I'm sure there's names that we've never even heard of. We've never even heard of. I just want... I want this to be as sexy and as interesting as possible.

I don't... And the reason why Josh McDaniels to me is interesting is because he's been looking for that next opportunity. He needs the one where if you're there... Why do you go back after the Indianapolis thing, though? I don't know. Was he promised the head coaching job at some point? but that job isn't as good as it was three years ago.

You're not building that Patriots team around Cam Newton. I don't think you are. I don't know if you're doing it around Jaron Sinem. You're sure not doing it around Brian Hoyer. Don't you wonder if he had a sense of what was going to happen with Andrew Luck? Like he felt like he was going to quit? Well, I think if you take a head coaching job, you talk to the quarterback, right? Hey, he picks up the phone.

Andrew. Andrew. How are you feeling? I feel horrible. You know, my neck beard is really getting long and I just, don't feel like cutting it. Well, you know the rules about the Colts. They have to cut you. How does he sound like an old prospect? You're looking for gold in the 1840s.

You got to cut the neck beard. But if I retired, I have to cut the neck beard? I cannot cut this neck beard. I hate, when I get my neck beard, it makes it, I just look so unattractive. Normally, I'm a sexy AF person, but the neck beard is not a good look. Ross, great job by you by keeping that neck beard trimmed. It's a little shaggy today. It just doesn't really grow in so much.

It's a little shaggy. It's just, it's nests. naturally doesn't grow in that thick. Well, you're a lucky man. 114. Matt Thomas show continues in a matter of moments. We will visit with Aaron Reese from the athletic coming up at the bottom of the hour. Dana Hogerson, we play a game this Thursday. I'm hoping.

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It's Matt, and he's back. Brings his lunchtime, Houston, sports talk. Lunchtime, Houston Sports Talk. The Matt Thomas Show on 790. The folks in Las Vegas have made their updated odds. The Texans on the 29th of September, were 150 to 1 to 1 to make it to the Super Bowl. God, that's nuts.

Now they're 250 to 1. Want to put some money on them? Say that again? 2 to 1? 250 to 1. 250 to 1. Yeah, they're 150 to 1 on September 29th. On October the 6th, they are 250 to 1.

Two favorites, and they are pretty pronounced. Kansas City is 7 to 2 to make it to the win in the Super Bowl. The Ravens are 6 to 1. The Seahawks are 50. 15 to 2. We're a lot of value on the board. If let's say you're a real big fan of the Packers, you can get it at 17 to 2. That's 8.5.1. That's good.

People would have put $25 down, right? That's if you think they have about about 11% chance. Yeah. Here's one. Rams 20 to 1? Kind of sneaky. I'm good. I'm good on that one.

I don't like that. Buffalo at 14 to 1. They're good, but I don't like the bucks at 12 to 1. I don't think the bucks are Super Bowl worthy. No. That's just because they have Tom Brady and people want to put money on them probably. The defending NFC champions are 25 to 1. The Niners. How long is Garapolo out?

They have all those defensive injuries, too. And they lost to Philadelphia a better night. Yeah. Maybe it's not a great. Philadelphia is not great. Biggest long shot on the board? The New York Jets are 2,000. You want to put a dollar on that, Matt?

No. If they win, you get $2,000. Miami, the Giants, and the Washington football team are $500.01. Texans are the seventh longest shot at $250 to 1. Bingles are $200 to 1 compared to the Texans of $250. Okay, so the 9 and 7... By the way, speaking of hedging and changing bets, there is no way, no how, no chance they're going 9 and 7.

Can we redraft our records? Yeah, that's over. You're right there with me. That's done. That is so done. Would have Bryn's say 9 and 7-2? I did. You have 8-n-A.

Do you want to stay with your 8-8? I'm chilling. Oh, I couldn't chill on 8-8. We'll see what happens. How about this? When can we redraft our grades? Our win numbers. We just have to admit you're wrong.

Okay, I admit I'm wrong. Is that better now? And that you have to admit you're wrong and that your prediction should not be trusted. But I get some right. The coach was fired. I feel like you have to reset. at some point this week. Yeah, we reset your New England picked yesterday with Kansas City plus 11.

That's because I could have changed my ticket. The game hadn't happened. Games have happened. We're in the season. If I'm holding a championship ticket, I can't just burn it. The money's gone. How do you feel about the New England plus 11 now? I could have gotten my ticket refunded.

Well, if Julian Edelman could hold on to the ball and not give up a pick six, I'd be fine. Okay. I said they were going to run all over them. They ran for nearly 200 yards, if not more. Yeah. So I was right about that. But they kept turning the ball over. Every time I watched the game, they were turning it over, left and right.

They were Hoyer and Stidham. And like I said, they were only down nine when the pick six when the pick six happened. Okay. All right. We have a diehard Texans fan. His name is A.Y. And he's very passionate when he calls a show. And he always calls and says, they must fire Bill O'Brien.

I don't know what they're doing. Well, obviously, A.Y, the Texans and Cal McNair were listening to the show because they fire Bill O'Brien. Brian yesterday. You must be pleased. Very ready. Well. I'm so happy today. First of all, the Astros won. Secondly, Bill O'Brien got fired,

but it was, I don't know why, around 12, 15, so that you will be the first to carry, just like you were the first person to carry out that decision trade that he made. Those are the things that got him fired. Unfortunately, this was, this came nine months, late. Blue O'Brien should have been fired on January

13th, 2020. Not yesterday. Yeah, that's right. Way too late. It's been fired January nine months too late because look at where we are right now. It will take a lot of time to salvage this season. It has been

it's practically destroyed. But it's still better than we're going. I mean, even if we go over 16, I'm happy. It's not, it's not, it will not be on Bill of the O'Brien's watch. But he took off at least two years backwards.

He took this franchise two years backwards. It's painful. I'm going to tell you some right now. Thank you very much of the phone call. Ross, if they can get it done in two years, I'll be happy. There's serious work to be done. Now, there are really, really smart football minds

that can go in and say, I got a lot of work to do, and I'm ready to do it. I'm ready to get dirty and ready to do it. and ready to make this my own. I mean, there are some guys that won't take jobs because you're just kind of maintaining. You get to come in here and if Cal lets you completely change who this organization is. We have seen quick turnarounds in the NFL more so than other sports.

So that gives me faith because year by year, you're changing on a 53, man. You're changing, I mean, if not more, up to 20 players every single year. Now it's going to be a little bit difficult because you don't. have a first and second round pick. But if you get somebody in here who's smart, who knows what they're doing, you have a franchise quarterback and a franchise left tackle and, I mean, a decent enough center and a right tackle who's improving, you can maybe hit the ground running and at least get to where you're not 0 and 4 with an embarrassing loss against an 0 and 13.

You can get to where you can turn things around quickly and start making the playoffs and start making some noise. It can happen. How long was Mike Vrable with the Titans before he got to an AFC championship game? Was that his first year or second year? Oh, God, it's probably a second year. Yeah. Bringing that up, just make...

Frank Reich's got those Colts playing better now? How long was Doug Peterson with the... We're all talking less than five years, all those examples you just gave. Yeah, he's his first year... Sean McVeigh changed the Rams in a pretty short period of time, two or did? Yeah, so Brable's in his third year's head coach.

He made an AFC championship game in the second year. Well, that gives us pause for hope, but you have to hire the right person. Yes. And that's why I want Jackie's straight nowhere near this. For every one of those Mike Vrables or Doug Peterson, we can point out. There's a guy who is like an Adam Gase or Anthony Lynn or whoever, somebody who's flamed out. A Bill O'Brien who didn't get it together in their first couple years of head coach or even in their first seven years.

So who's going to make the hire? I think Cal McNair has got to find a consultant. Who is that going to be? What's Dan Reeves up to? No, we don't need Dan. I'm just kidding. That's who consulted and got Kubiak. But if you were to get it, if you were to ask for a consultant, who would be the guy?

going to go on the little searching firms and get a general manager from there. I guess I would start with a general manager. And whoever the general manager is is going to find a smart head coach. Yeah, let's ask Aaron Reese about this. Okay. And he'll join us next from The Athletic. Right now I want to tell you about Woodhouse Day Spas. Two locations, vintage for you north-siders, you're south-siders, you can go to Sugarland.

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and say how to our good friend, Aaron Reese. On the Texans beat, you can follow him from the athletic at Aaron J. Reese. Okay, Aaron, so where are you yesterday when things started to unravel and we found out about Bill O'Brien's firing? And what were one or two quick observations you thought off the top of your head besides, oh, my God, I've got to get some quotes from somebody. I mean, the first one, I guess, was just a little, being a little surprised by the timing of it that they would do it so quickly into the season. Obviously, the season was, you know, has been a total disaster. But still you think, you know, from Cal McNair's perspective,

you let this guy, O'Brien and Jackie should be, you know, mortgage of the future, tradeaway superstar players and some very unpopular moves, only to punt on the whole operation four games into O'Brien actually being general manager and title, I think, it was pretty surprising that kind of just from an optic standpoint alone, you wouldn't hold on a little bit longer and kind of see things through, especially considering schedule the Texas face. but I think that speaks to just how bad Cal McNair determined things to be and how dire situation was. Why is Jack Easterby still here?

It's a good question. I mean, I think if for nothing else, you need somebody to kind of be in charge of the front office, right? And he was the number two in command to O'Brien in that respect. And obviously with on-field performance teams on four, I think it's a little bit easier to fire a coach mid-season. So O'Brien also has to be in the GM, of course, creative work. there. But I, you know, I will have to see kind of how influential Eastry is in terms of hiring the next people, whether the fact can hire another GM, whether he becomes the GM, what exactly the leadership structure looks like and where he fits

within that in the future. Aaron, he's not been made available. So now it's just conjecture in our part. What is Jack thinking? More importantly, what is he saying? And what is is the building feel about a Jack Eastby-led building with Romeo Cornell as an interim and no Bill O'Brien in that building anymore? Well, you know, I think it's interesting. In the short term, I don't really know, I don't really know what changes, right? You have to consider that Romeo Cornell, obviously, has not been successful as a head coach. I don't think anyone views him as really auditioning for the job here, even though the Texas schedule lightens up.

And he, you know, he was just demoted from a defensive coordinator during the offseason. So I don't think, in that terms, and maybe other than him being kind of a stabilizing force, I don't know how much impact he has in the short term. And it needs to be, I think, kind of you have to wonder how much does the Texans operation really change in terms of their approach, right? It used to be a side-by-side with O'Brien in terms of trading draft picks and the contracts they handed out and trading superstar players. You know, I mean, they were, if nothing else, presented a United Front on all those things. And this is really Eastry's first taste of, like, front-off his experience. So there's no reason to think that he would really have a counter approach that he wasn't allowed to kind of exercise here.

So I'll be curious to see kind of how much things really change in that regard. And I have to imagine that's the most too often wonders how much really changes between now and the time when the Texans, if they even do, hire a new general manager. Aaron, if Jack tries to separate himself, can't you call BS on that? Because as you've covered this team almost every single time, Jack mentions Bill, Bill mentions Trump. Jack, I mean, unless that was just a big old fraud case, it felt like everything was done in mutual admiration with all these decisions, correct? No, correct. I mean, you know, and especially when you, you know, you look, but it is kind of, it's always one of these things where everything is together until it's not, right? I mean, it wasn't that long ago that Bill O'Brien and Brian Gain were also saying they, you know, they had aligned priorities and saw things the same way. But I do think, you're right. I mean, Jack used to be just because he survived.

he is not, it's not like he is not still attached to kind of the issues that the Texans now find themselves in. And these are not issues that, you know, are going to go away just because Bill O'Brien has gone. I mean, the thing, the scary thing of you're a Texans fan is that this team that you're seeing now is old 14 that's non-competitive. I mean, things could probably get worse before they get better because Deshaun Watson is going to get more expensive. Laramette Tumble is going to get more expensive. They're going to lose more rookie contracts than they gain because of kind of the draft capital they've shipped away. So this team is not clearly not good enough, and it's hard to find avenues for them to become good enough. We argued about this before you joined us, Aaron Rees from the Athletic with us on the Matt Thomas show.

How good do you think this job is for a general manager and for a coach if Cal and Deed goes after two spots this offseason? From a head coaching perspective, I think it's a good job. If you know, if nothing else, you have Deshaun Watson. And, you know, the Texans obviously are deficient in some areas, but they have a lot of talent in other spots. You know, you have some building blocks there in Deshawn Watson and Laramie Council being the most important ones. Zach Cunningham is maybe being paid a little overmarket, but he's a good player. Bradley Robey is a solid corner, just a read is a good young safety.

So they have talent there Watson being, of course, the most important part. That's a better quarterback situation than I think really any new head coach would inherit. And along the same lines, if they do hire a general manager, that would already, that job would come with the biggest item on a new GM's to-do list already. checked off and finding a franchise quarterback, right? That's very rare. Again, people that are brought in from outside inherit a situation like this. But, you know, I do think the GM job is definitely less attractive, in my opinion, the man coaching job. For one being obviously the lack of draft capital, but also you look now, I wonder

why, if Cal McNair, giving that Cal McNair fired at Bill O'Brien so quickly, you have, this team has gone through two GMs and a little more than two full seasons, both of which ended in playoff appearances. So how short of a leash, how quick of a time, timeline is the next GM on if they do indeed hire one, are they expected to have produce immediate improvement despite the fact that they really have, you know, no job capital to do so. And the situation is the only going to get harder because lots of tons are going to become more expensive in terms of their cap it. I brought this up to open up the show at noon today, and maybe it was a bit hyperbole, but I think there's a little bit of fact. And again, this is

just a gut feeling I have. I feel like the grumpiness that has been J.J. Watt And we saw it two weeks ago, and I asked you about it last week, clearly he was really pissed off this past week. Is there any part of you that believes that a handful of players went to Cal and said, this is not working anymore? Because as you know, I know this from basketball. Aaron, players can walk into owners and get coaches fired in a second. I don't know if the NFL works that way or how much it would.

But this feels like there are enough guys in that locker room that just didn't buy into bills BS anymore. and they were just like, we're over this, we need to change. We've seen a lot of good players leave our room because of trades and non-signings that the leash for Bill with his players was as short as it's ever been. Yeah, you know, I don't know if it was something as formal as going to Cal. But I think, you know, if you're coming there, you obviously are watching JJ Watts who looked like he just got ran over by a bus in that most recent press conference. You're, you know, you can see the team not really looking inspired on the field.

And, you know, yeah, I mean, definitely just over time, I think that the culture of kind of Bill O'Brien, everything that he's been characterized as behind the scenes, I think that obviously is going to weigh on people if it's not producing results. And it was just not producing results. So I don't know the NFL, if a player, even if they did go to the owner, would have enough power to do that. Even J.J. Watt, I mean, you have to consider kind of the stage of J.J. Watts' careers in, contract situation, all those things. But I just think that, you know, it wasn't hard to probably get a read that the team was just not. was not bought into this anymore. And that was obvious if you just watched the game. All right, Aaron, last question.

And again, we're hearing, a lot of us are hearing the same names. Really cool coordinators, Eric Bienimi on the top of the list. We're hearing some maybe some retreads of some other folks. What kind of coach do you think you being around this team is the best fit for this operation? Do you go offensive-minded, defensive-minded? Do you go with a guy that's been a head coach before? Do you want fresh blood? And more importantly, who's going to make this?

call. And at the end of the day, do you believe Jack will be in this process to replace the next head football coach? Yeah, I mean, he's clearly sticking around. I think he's going to be involved in the process. You know, at the end of it will obviously be Cal's caller. He always has the authority to make the call. You know, I'm, anyone who reasonably knows that I'm kind of more of an analytics focus personally in terms of analyzing this stuff. So I would, I would veer towards picking an offensive-minded person just because all the numbers would indicate that having a sustained offense is a good offense is the most sustainable way to be successful. And along the line, you want someone who's going to bring fresh ideas who's going to build an

offense that caters directly to Sean Watson's strength. So I think there, the enemy has one person, Greg Roman, the office coordinator of the Ravens, you know, he has a proven track record with Lamar Jackson, building a system that caters precisely to his quarterback's strength. So those are kind of people that I would look at. I think you take the best player you have, which is your quarterback, and you do everything to maximize that. All right, my friend, have fun on the chase on this.

The problem is you're going to be chasing rumors all over the place. I don't know if you've been involved in these kind of things before, but there's some fun and there's some of it is just a lot of guys just throwing names out because they want to get their names out to the national media. So I wish you luck on this. Yeah, well, I think, you know, the weird thing is that given the point at which Bill of Brian was fired, it's obviously going to drag on for a very long time because of the Roman or the enemy or a lot of these other guys who are being rumored,

they obviously can't leave their current job. that job for a while. That's true. That's very good, my friend. Thank you very much for the visit. We'll talk again next week. All right. Thanks, but you got it. Aaron Reese from the athletic. Aaron J. Reese on Twitter. You can find him and he does a spectacular job covering the team on the athletic website. Let me tell you about hoops, basketball goals, and sporting equipment. How many days could you be shooting basketballs with temperatures in the 80s, 70s at night, 60s in some spots? Produnkhoops.com. Check out the website. Find out the different goal systems you can get for your neighborhood, your driveway.

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All right I just looked at a poll question that Sports RV put up at Sports RV It's a Are you almost 10,000? Oh my God You are 74 away

No that's not true 274 Man If you all notice It's been a slow climb this year Twitter has Crash and burn in terms of And the only way you

Honestly I'm not BSing you on this The only way you get Fast Large amounts of Twitter followers is by something highly controversial. You know what I'm saying?

Like what are you going to say, Matt? Well, what are we having the 30,000 Twitter follow party? That's never happening. I will never... Have you plateaued? Yeah, I did go on up. You were 25.1 a couple weeks ago, right?

I have plotted. I will we will never have the 30,000 Twitter party. Well, can we have like the 255 party? No, it ruins a jam. Point being is this, the only way you get on is if you break a wholeelacious big story. Ooh.

Or you have a sex tape. Like when you broke that LeBron James was going to be out. Yeah, I got like 100 new followers and then 80 of them unfollow me right away.

That's unfortunate. It is what it is. But I don't think anybody's numbers are explored. Do you see somebody going, like Brendan, how fast is your, since you've joined this show,

how many followers have you gotten? 50. Okay, see, that's an explosion. Ross, we've been talking about your 10,000 Twitter party forever. And we're sitting there

I never said I wouldn't throw a party for myself or getting a certain amount of Twitter followers. You should. I'm not nearly that vain. Well, best part of today's show was Adam and I were talking about something and then you just immediately after we finish the conversation, you ask the exact same question. So, yeah, if y'all want to go to Vegas for $30,000, at this point, we don't want to go to Vegas. It ain't real Vegas yet.

Yeah. When's Vegas coming back in full? Well, it better be next June because that's when my daughter is going to play in a volleyball tournament there. Isn't your boy turning 21? And then Cameron turns 21 in June 2. We'll be in him and his Uncle Ross, his older brother.

And when's his birthday? June 20th. Okay, good. We're not going to go to like October. We're going to go bet college from pro football. All right, good. So save your money. Although my whole schedule, I don't know what the hell.

I might be busy in mid-year. When's the NBA season going to start? I've heard everything from... Oh, is it going to be NBA finals going on? January. The Houston Rockets might be in the NBA finals. Mid-January to mid-February. I've even heard a March start date.

Dang. Isn't that crazy? Yes. You know what the craziest thing about the last 24 hours is? Bill O'Brien getting fired. Is that the three head coaches in the city of Houston that led the teams in their cities 12 months ago in Houston are no longer their coaches today. Yeah. One year ago today, A.J. Hinch, Bill O'Brien, Mike Dan Tony, all three are gone.

Gonzo, Gonzo, Gonzo. for varying reasons. Oh, actually for three different reasons. One was a complete train wreck. Thus vary. One, it was time to move on. And one was suspended and fired. And one of them is going to get hired probably this offseason to Brendan's beloved Detroit Tigers, maybe.

Oh, Mike Dan Tony's going to the Tigers? No. No, no, no. That would be huge, Matt. That would be huge. He's going to bring analytics. No bunts on the Mike Dan Tony. Well, no, nobody buntz anymore.

Well, no, what Mike Danton is like, if you don't swing for the fence, every time, then we don't need you. No ground balls, no Texas leaguers, if you will. No bleaters. Hmm. What kind of baseball manager of Bill O'Brien B. You struck out? You suck.

By the way, we we can't do what you're talking about Bill O'Brien anymore. I know. Matt, I was to give you the idea yesterday. Do we need to have a funeral for the Bill O'Brien drops? Tomorrow? Maybe we could do it some other time. It's for you hate. Yeah, we're almost out of show.

So here's the thing. If we have a funeral for the drops, we never can play them again. And you're terrible about staying on track with that. What do you mean? We play liners of people that have not been Houston athletes for seven years. I don't play Gary Kubiak drops. I got some if you want them.

I don't play Robert C. McNair drops. I have those too. May he rest in peace. Okay. I got Milo drops. I don't play those. Well, Bill O'Brien's not dead, but. Okay.

Why don't we organize this for? And I wasn't here for Dom Capers drops. Let's do Thursday. Let's do, but I want to find an appropriate song for it. Okay. And we will never play. How about taps? Oh.

Not good. Okay. Tap some more military. What's it? Brennan, you've got a homework assignment. Give us the definitive goodbye song for every Bill O'Brien drop we've ever played in the history of the show. Chopin's sonata number two, also known as the funeral march. I like it.

We will never play, you suck, you suck, too. Oh, man. We will never play. Oh, no. Listen to me. We will never play. I don't care what you think because you don't care what I think. Oh, man, I'm actually sad now that you're just saying all this.

This was your idea. Can you just hit a few of these right now to make me feel good in my heart, Brendan, please. I don't want these to go away. They have to. They have been of a staple for the Matt Tommy show for seven years. Yeah, I know. But we can't do it. If we're going to have a funeral, you bury them.

No. Now I'm actually sad. I have not been, there has not been one. hyper of my being that's been sad about Bill O'Brien getting fired because he's going to get paid handsomely until 2022. Daddy is. Now I'm actually sad. No, we're not going to have any of these gems for Bill O'Brien. Your idea, not mine.

I'd have kept him alive. I'd have put them on life support. We can't play them anymore. We're going to pull the plug. We can't do that. Oh, no, we can't. We've got to keep these going, Matt. I mean, no.

How could we get rid of. this gym after gym from Bill O'Brien. Holy smokes. As he's chastising you after loss, after loss, after disappointing loss. You got to always look in a mirror and say, where can you do better. Where we go after him and his clock management and what's going on with that? Why did you do this at the end of two minutes? That's on me.

Or how about three years in a row, Brian? AFC South champs. All those great drops for Brian, not McTaggart. What's his name, Smith? Smith. and the ganguly before that O-Tonio and now he goes his new

his new whipping mule is what's her name Sarah Bar Shop yeah or Brian Smith is really the greatest of a time

I have a plan for Thursday's show and I'm going to put it in motion right this second Thursday yeah and then Chunky 37 tweets in a great question without Bill O'Brien does Sports RV even have a role of the show

like what am I here for yeah because I can't do what you What you're talking about? What are we going to do? What you're talking about? Romeo Crenel? What'd you talk?

I don't know what Romeo says. What's you talking about? What's you talking about? You got to give me a week to get acclimated to what he's going to say. Okay. Thursday, one o'clock, we say goodbye, farewell. We bury everything. No.

Bill O'Brien soundbite. Brendan, you will be under strict orders. Never to play them again as of 120 this Thursday. The problem is Ross can also play them. That means both of you. That means both of you. I don't know. What if Bill O'Brien comes up on the show, though?

People will listen to show for us to bury them. We need people. We need a hook. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. We've got 35 minutes left to go on the Matt Thomas show. Come on and be a part of it. We hang on by it.

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Did I see it in okay? Do you hear that? Nobody here? Okay, good. Did you just change your prediction? Yeah, I did. I'm such a waffler. I know, Matt.

Let me tell you, we stay at Fairfield Inns when I'm not on, and I'm normal on normal Matt Dime as compared to a fancy Matt Dime. Are you about to tame this conversation to actual waffles? You ever said to Fairfield? Then they have waffle makers? I think only with you. Or maybe there's a Spring Hill. Same difference.

Fairfield, Spring Hill, whatever. The waffle maker down in the breakfast area is so good. Sometimes you get him in Texas shaped. Aren't you trying to cut carbs, Matt? I am. Thus, you and I going to a certain place after the show today is not going to really go well for that. Oh, where only you can get fajitas will be fine. I just can't have any tortillas

Yeah, no tortillas Well, no chips is going to be tough Ooh, I want some queso too Maybe I'll have just for one Just take the edge off Okay Yeah, the key to a good hotel Is the free waffles in the morning

Okay, I'll take your word for it Well next time you and I go on a roadie I will stay somewhere Where we can get free waffles I'm normally I normally check out about 3 a.m. Yeah, you're not big on the breakfast You're like, why don't want to worry about that? You always get up for breakfast

and I'm like, yeah, wake me. That's my time to get extra sleep. And then once you're done, when Ross and I went to spring training, I was getting the waffles every day. And Ross, like, I need 15 extra minutes of sleep. Let me go to Jason to the Heights at 217. Hi, Jason.

Hey, what's going on, y'all? You tell us. Thank you. Yeah, hey, so check it out. Y'all guys are talking about having gut feelings about the coach. What about Lincoln Riley from OU? What about that man? Now, he did work for four different quarterback, so.

Um, I love Lincoln Riley. I thought Lincoln Riley would have been a perfect choice for the Dallas. They're having trouble with Kansas State and Iowa State right now. Everybody has trouble with those, don't they? Yeah, I mean. I'll say this. I thought he would have been a perfect choice for the Dallas Cowboys. Yeah, I was actually thinking about that too.

And then I was like, I mean, think about it. That man, he had Jalen Hurts, Baker Mayfield, Kyle and Murray, and now this new quarterback, bro, he is. like he is a quarterback wizard. You mean the one that's thrown terrible incompletions in the fourth quarter games against Spencer Rattler or something? Yeah, he's good, but the hype was way too high on him, I thought. I mean, he's been good.

I've been great compared to what they've had the last handful of years there? No, again, he's a redshirt freshman, so he's going to go through these types of things. Yeah. But I think Lincoln Rowley is fantastic. I just don't know if I'm Lincoln Rowley. Why would I? That's my job for the rest of my life. he gets he gets he's top 10 in the country and being paid he's owned this conference or the school

I was going to say the big 12 is rather easily to win for him right now yeah yeah that's true I would 12 I don't know overall is a college head coaching job more work than a NFL head coaching job I would say yes college is more or pro you're saying college more work because of the glad handing because of the recruiting yeah because you're still doing the same you're recruiting on top of watching everything and your babysitting 90 or so young men 18 to 21 years old. Yeah, trying to convince their... But you also have eight less games in theory. Well, if you play 12, your conference championship 13, 14, so you have in theory six less

games and if you play it, maybe seven or eight if you, if that an NFL team goes to the playoffs. So I, they're both halaciously difficult jobs. That's the reason why they're being paid so handsomely well. Right. Well, either way, dabble or... Lincoln or Urban Meyer, I'm just glad it's not Bill O.B. I mean, it's about time. Yeah, I, I, this was way past. Rossi, this should have happened. Could you imagine if Bill O'Brien went into Cal's office and said, we need to trade DeAndre Hopkins, we're going to get

David Johnson in return. Wouldn't that have been the sign for Cal to say this is just not working out? Well, didn't Cal, that was, Cal had the whole meeting after that, right? We have, we might have some of that. Oh yeah. Yeah. It was the whole thing with the season ticket holders and hey, this is going to work out and sometimes you have to make tough decisions, but we're buying Bill O'Brien. Like me, for instance, it was crazy. If I owned Matt's barbecue restaurant and at Ross, I made you my general manager. Okay. And you came into me and said, Matt, we're going to do vegan twice a week because there's an audience that loves vegan barbecue. Rossi, I'd have to fire you.

I don't know. What if I stage one, Matt, and I made a lot of money? You can stage it twice a week for the rest of your time as a manager of my restaurant? Michael Barry. What even vegan barbecue? What would that be? Matt's Barbecue. Matt's Barbecue.com.

Good people. Five days a week. Ribs, chicken, sausage. Two days a week. Brisket. Tofu. Matt's barbecue. Tell them Michael Bear sent you.

Smoked tofu. foe. It's him saying it would have been so bad that you would have questioned why you gave him this flatter structure. Okay, so what if DeAndre Hopkins is an A-hole to you?

He's the best in the sport. He made everything personal. Bill O'Brien made everything personal. He's made everything personal. He made Tyrone Matthew personal. He made... JD Clowney personal. Now, he wasn't... I think Dwayne Brown's situation

was more McNair than it was him, but great coach could have solved that too, yes? I would imagine. A great coach would have done a number of things that Bill O'Brien didn't do. He's not a great coach. And that's why he's fired. Where is he going to land next? That's a great question.

Did you see Tom Brady yesterday throwing Shane and the Texans? No, what did he say? Basically, and this is paraphrasing saying that the Texans made him, you know, that Bill O'Brien's a good football coach. And that he didn't understand why the Texans would get rid of that. He said it doesn't make a lot of sense? Yeah. Well.

So when Josh McDaniels comes here and becomes a head of football coach, the Texans, he can go be the Oswald. Well, no, that won't work because he's in Tampa now. If it doesn't make a lot of sense, Tom, you got to wake up here, pal. What are you talking about? I think he does a great job. You know what that is? That's just Tom Brady beeling, mealy-mouthed vanilla politically correct guy. He has great leadership ability.

Oh, Tom Brady is coming in with firing hot here. Those guys seem to really love playing. for him. He did a great job for Houston over the years. Okay. I'm going to think that the players disagree with you. I'm going to think JJ Watt posting sunlight over NRG Stadium the day after his head coach is fired would disagree with you. I'm going to fall my sword on this. DeAndre Hopkins tweeting, I wish no ill on no man. That what he did? I didn't even look at his Twitter. It's got like 35,000 retweeds or something like that. I wonder if I can get an opinion about whether or not Lincoln, Ronnie, would be a good Texans coach.

When should I go? Oh, hi, D.L. You know you, my man, MT. You know you, my man. This has been my favorite segment in a long time. I know it would be with your beloved Sooners down, O2. Look, man. What I will say is, what I will say is,

y'all need to get y'all's filthy, stinking hands off of Lincoln riders. I knew that was coming. Don't even put those thoughts in the atmosphere. Okay. We can start the Texans' coaching. coaching search with anybody other than Lincoln Riley. And the only other thing I wanted to know was you got a really bad Texas team going up against a really bad Oklahoma team in a couple weeks.

Who's your pick? What do you think is going to happen? All right. We're going to have Joel Clout on the show tomorrow, by the way, D.L. Thanks for the call, buddy. He'll be on the call on Fox. It's the great Texas, what are they called the Red River Letdown is what Ross are calling it? It's the Red River Showdown, but really true fans nomad.

It's the Red River shootout. And there's no state fair. It was deemed too violent. I thought they were going to maybe operate it for a day. What was the latest on that? I haven't seen. People, by the way, in Minnesota, can't believe that I've never been in the Texas State Fair,

because the Minnesota State Fair is such a big deal. State Fair, Texas is amazing. Okay. But probably not. How else am I going to get some fried Reese's buttercups? That sounds gross. That sounds actually amazing. Fried Reese's pieces?

No, fried the cup itself. Either of those sound great. I guess you're right about that part. What was I going to say? Yeah, Lincoln's not leaving. Lincoln's can't leave Oklahoma. No one think so. Oklahoma two-point favorites against Texas.

That's a closest spread in a while. I can remember. If Tom loses the game, because you're more into the tune than I am, how is that seat of his? I think the seat's pretty smoking hot right now. I don't think he would be fired after that game. How much is he owed? He's under contract.

I want to say he got an extension after the Sugar Bowl. I want to say he's at least two more years, if not more. Yeah, but Texas has that money. I've known. He is guaranteed. There's 10 schools. Guaranteed through the 20-23 season. Yeah, they got the money.

So three more season, not two more. And don't you just find an uncomfortable seeing Irman Meyer on the set of a college, on TV show that he's like he's just waiting for it. Well, the weird one was when he had that guy or some guy who's shirtless guy in the background and he was trying to tell him when the whole COVID thing was breaking out.

That was weird. Yeah. I don't have a real opinion on it except because I just watched those two teams sporadically. TCU's just had Texas number for many years. And Oklahoma just underperformed. Well, Tom Herman's underperformed.

I'm stunned. I really, because I can't, I, I know my U.S. of H. Brethren hate him. I like him, but man. What was the stat that already the AP put out? He's had more top 25 losses. As a ranked team, to an unranked team, he has lost, what was it? Was it nine times? More than any other coach in college football. I think it's six. I can go look it up.

Don't you don't have to. You're okay. Six, they've lost six times while they're ranked to an unranked team since he took over in 17. The most such losses in the FBS over that span. you don't put that on the Texas meaty guy do you he is 27 and 16 he went 7 and 6 10 and 4 with a sugar bowl in 8 and 5 and now he is well he's 2 in 1 and still can win the big 12 cool I will say this he is much better at having his team prepared for big games rather than lackluster matchups on 11 o'clock against tCU but that but that but great coaches don't let that happen agree you know what I mean I Did I just say he was a great coach? As you were saying that, there's a lot of ability to it, but you're also like, you know what?

Then every game is creating. Well, we were trying to look through something redeeming. Like, we couldn't come up with anything for Bill O'Brien. If there's one redeeming thing about Tom Herman is generally the teams are prepared for big games. And it's a big game. Small games? Ho-hum games, when you need to have them ready in a week-to-week season? It's crazy, though.

One of these two teams is going to have a, well, Texas should have lost a Texas Tech. Absolutely. They've looked terrible back to that week. I just can't imagine OU-TOP again? Can they schedule U-Tap again? What are they up to? What are the minors doing? Call you, we'll go to Austin. We'll play tomorrow. We'll go to Austin. We'll play at your place. You don't want that, man. We'll take your school, take your lunch money. Yeah, you'll have a... We'll kiss your girls. Yeah, you'll put a beat down at Daryl, K. Royal Hucci, Nucci, whatever the name stadium is this week. I think it's Earl Campbell, Ritchie Williams, Joe Jamil Field. At Peter Gardier Field.

Memorial Stadium. Now, Peter Gardier's not involved. Okay. You'll be singing the fight song with another with Longhorn painting on your head after the end of that one. You don't want that. All right. Tomorrow on the show, Joel Clatt, we have a shorter show because of Astros on deck at 130. And Thursday's show, we're burying Bill O'Brien soundbites. Farewell to thee. Your idea, not mine. Berkeley Eye Center. Here's an idea that I want to tell you about. How about getting Lasic Laser Vision correction with savings of up to $1,200? You can

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