The Matt Thomas Show with Ross - Kamala The Ugandan Giant: His Career and Passing

Episode Date: August 14, 2020

Welcome to Plinko & Powerbombs! A show about pro wrestling and game shows! This will be a special edition series as part of the Matt Thomas Show podcast. In this episode, Matt covers the life, career and passing of Kamala Ugandan Giant. #WWF #WWE #WCW #AEW #NXT #NWA

So everybody's got a podcast, right? You win the car. It's yours. But does everybody do a game show and wrestling podcast? No. Of course not. Only a strange being from the far reaches of the Houston suburbs, born on Doritos and Coke,

and raised by the 70s and 80s, could dream up such an audio extravaganza. And there is no one that does it better. Welcome to Flinko. and power bombs. Now the guy who always bids one dollar. So when you live by the fuck, brother, you'll die by the fuck. Routy, Roddy, Matt Thomas.

Welcome to the premier podcast, video and audio of Plinko and Powerbombs. You're saying, what in the world does that mean? Well, I do sports radio for 15 hours a week, 12 to 3 on Sports Talk 790, and we thank you if you're listening. If you have not yet, I invite you to join me there on Sports Talk 790. Sometimes we have hobbies and things we are interested in that, frankly, aren't good for a sports radio. Two of them for me are game shows and wrestling, pro wrestling, especially old school pro wrestling. So I thought to myself, I don't want to do a podcast or just regurgitating sports takes.

I want to give you something different, something that I like talking about, and that we can do on a weekly or twice-monthly basis. And that's why I came up with Plinkos and PowerBombs. Now, originally I was going to call Plinkos and Pau Drivers, but as you know, pro-Ressling fans, pile-driving is now illegal in professional wrestling. Thus, PowerBombs is the alternative name. So sit back, relax, listen, watch,

as we bring you the first ever edition of Plinko's and Powerbombs. Today's first subject, the life and times of Kamala, the Uganda giant. Kamala, 6 foot 9 inches tall. Kamala, 485 pounds. Kamala. The prettiest man known to professional wrestling today. Arms and legs are the largest trees. As strong as some of the largest animals known to man.

Chimala. 6.9 inches. Chimala. 385 pounds. Chimala. The Ugandan giant. Joining me now as my first guest is a long-time friend. I mean, what, Mattie, 20-plus years, somewhere in that range?

Ironically enough, you know, you, I think you even had the same amount of hair back then. You're awful. Matt Jackson is a Sports Talk 790 alum. He is a proud University of Houston graduate like I am. and right now he is taking care of today's youth. I don't know if this is a good decision or not. Maddie, tell the folks where you are, where you teach, and what is your life today?

I am at Foster High School, which is in the Richmond Rosenberg area, and we are currently preparing to open our doors for the tire, the poor, the huddled masses yearning to breathe free, at least half of them. they probably won't recognize me because of course when we have school I'll be wearing a mask but it's you know it's one of those weird things and I don't even know how to react to things anymore because we're just living in such a wild world but I try to explain to people how

excited I am to get back to work because I just you know I'm I'm excited to have human contact no matter what kind of human contact that may be I don't care if it's with a mask or without a mask. I just, I like being around people. Maybe I'm weird like that. And I'm whether, you know, if I have to douse myself in a gallon of hand sanitizer to make it happen, then I'm going to make that happen. But yeah, we're getting ready. I'm teaching U.S. history and coaching soccer again this year. So we'll be ready to go a week for Monday, for sure. All right. Well, in honor of being close to the people again, I'm going to challenge you to a Texas death match once pro wrestling can have crowds because I don't want you and I just to do in the

studio. I want us to have, I don't know, 25 or 30 of our closest friends. It's going to be the Guerrero's against the Midnight Express, brother. I had to have you as my first guest because you and I have affinity for wrestling, especially around the same generation. So today, and I'll be honest with you, I wasn't supposed to start this until the rocket season was over with, but when Kamala passes at the age of 70, aka Sugar Bear Harris, we have to take some time. So before we get to Kamala a little bit, the first wrestling you ever remember watching. Sam Houston Coliseum. This was the Paul Bosch Houston Wrestling.

This is where Houston Gazillionaire Mattress Mac got his. to start advertising on Houston pro wrestling. People don't realize that it wasn't until after WrestleMania won that the WWF really had a presence in Houston. This was a different territory. The WWF was more northeast. And we, you know, the Sam Houston Coliseum, I want to say like every Saturday night had pro wrestling,

and they would show it two shows. They would have one from 10 to midnight on Saturday nights, and then they would show it again Sunday morning from, I want to say like 10 to noon or something like that. Yeah. And I remember watching those shows. I remember going to those shows. And the very first show that I went to live and in person,

I think I was six years old. I believe the co-feature, I don't think it was the main event, but it was Kamala, the Ugandan, giant taking on Terry Taylor. And it was, it was just, you know, it was unbelievable. Let's be honest. There's no chance Terry Taylor could stand in the same ring for 15 minutes, much less five with Kamala.

Please tell me that Kamala kicked his ass. You would think, but Terry Taylor was a total face. Terry Taylor was, I think he was the second biggest face behind Hacksaw, Jim Duggan in that, in that particular. particular time period, which is, which is crazy when you consider he became a total loser once he got to the WWF and they made on the Red Rooster. But although, you know, I learned this. Did you know that the, the Mr. Perfect gimmick for Kurt Henning was originally supposed to go to Terry Taylor. Really? When they, I guess they both, Henig was in the AWA and Taylor was in. Taylor was in,

And I believe it was called the UWF then. Yeah, I can give you UWF because I was the first time I ever went to see a wrestling match at Sam Houston Coliseum was to declare the UWF champion in an eight-man. Battle Royal. Yeah. No, it was a single elimination. It was a bracket if you. It was his own form of March Madness.

Was that the one that, was that the one that Dougan won? Did Dougan win that one? No, Dougan lost to Terry Gordy because the one-man gang kept throwing him into the rails. and he was bleeding like a pig. It was gross. I had second row seats. First time ever at a Friday night event at the Sam Houston Coliseum,

and I'm watching Terry Gordy pile drive the hell out of Hacksaw Jim Duggan. And Duggan kept getting up until, I think, the third Pall Driver. As you know, most times you can survive one Pall Driver, maybe two, but the third Pall Driver is probably too, too many. You know, the Terry Bam Bam, Gordy does not get enough run just because he wasn't he wasn't great on the microphone certainly Michael Hayes did

most of the talking for the freebirds but between his pile driver you remember that other movie had with his thumb the oriental spike why was it orional but that's what they called it right because right well it's because I guess did he learn it didn't he right he wrestled some in Japan and so I think he learned it from I don't know if he learned it from like the great Kabuki or who exactly he picked it up from. I'm here to show you. I'm here to show you the Oriental Spike. Here it is.

Thumb to right there. And apparently that was to basically end a person's life. Get rid of the spike. He's going to kill the guy. I think I remember Jim Ross almost having a seizure when Gordy did that to Duggan. He was like, my God, he's going to go.

to kill that man. He is, but, but yeah, so the very first wrestling I went to, Sam Houston Coliseum, it was Terry Taylor and Kamala was a, like, the co-feature. And then I think the main event, you brought up earlier, a Texas death match. I believe it was the Freebirds against Dr. Death, Steve Williams and Ted DiBiase was the main event. And it was, I think it was a Texas death match. And this is, by the way, Ted DiBiase, before he, he gained millions of dollars.

He was just regular Ted DiBiase as compared to the million dollar man. For those of you that don't know, Ted DiBiase wasn't born of money. Vince McMahon said, we're going to make you an Uber rich guy with a big gold belt and give you a guy named Virgil who's going to be your yes man for basically 20 years. Well, have you seen the story of how he, basically the wrestling vernacular, how they turned him. Have you seen the, do you know the story behind how they turned him from being the, you know, a huge face to a heel? Do you know what happened with that?

Well, they basically told him you need to go out and live the life of being a millionaire. You need to stay in top shelf hotels. You need to fly first class. So no one thinks that this is something you've not done all your life, right? They had him in a tag team match with there was this dude who was like kind of a weak face. Remember Sam Houston? Oh, yeah. So they had him and Sam Houston in a tag team match against, I believe it was Wild Bill Irwin.

and another one of Scandal Akbar's guys. I can't remember which one. And DeBiasi turns on Sam Houston and just beats the crap out of Sam Houston in the ring. And right out of that match, then DeBii kind of word goes around America that DeBii turned heel. And that is when they started doing the vignettes with him and buying out the swimming pool

and all the different things he did to make him the million-dollar man. Well, we can discuss a million-dollar man on a future episode because I feel like I'll be coming to you about once every two months. Let's get to, and I feel like I'm going to stand up here, and you tell me if the video camera doesn't do it justice. You've got to slap the belly, right? I mean, that's how you honor Kamala, right? You got to paint a moon on your stomach. By the way, I found out, I've been listening to Jim Cornett's vignettes on YouTube with his podcast. Do you know who used to paint all the stars in the moon on Kamala's chest? Jim Cornett did this. No. He said that,

that was Jerry the King Lawler when Kamala first became Kamala in the Memphis Territory. Oh, I didn't know that. That's interesting. Yeah. So this guy whose name is James Harris. His nickname was Sugar Bear. Apparently, he was a really shitty wrestler. By the way, that's your first cuss word. We're a lot of cuss occasionally. I hope you're okay with that, Joe Bond, or digital guy. But I was just goaded into swearing at least once. He was this terrible, terrible wrestler.

And he was, he needed to do something because he was a big imposing guys, you know, 6566 over 300 pounds. They've got to figure out a way to keep him alive because he was a decent enough move around the ring. He just had no real wrestling skills. So they decided to make up this gimmick called Kamala where he could slap his belly. Instead of arm locking people, just beat the hell out of people by hitting them across the face and slapping him and hitting him across the chest.

And they brought in James J. J. J.lin to be his manager. They told J.J. said, well, I can't come to Memphis all the time because I'm busy in Florida in the territory there. So let's give him a gimmicky little sidekick, aka Friday. And so it was James J. Dillon Friday and Kamala crushing it in mid-south, or not mid-south, but in the Memphis territory. Well, you know if you've known anything about wrestling that Jerry Lawler was always going to be the king of Memphis. There was nobody else that was not going to have the championship for a long period of time. So Bill Watts said, hey, bring him to the Mid-South territory. J.Y.D. needs somebody to fight with or any of the Terry Taylor's or whatever, Jim Duggins, bring Kamala there.

And that's where you and I got to meet Kamala. And he scared the hell out of me, Matt. I mean, he did. I couldn't believe how dangerous he was. And you put him with my all-time favorite heel manager in Scandal Rackbar. Oh, yeah. They literally were Devastation Incorporated. Yeah.

You know, Kamala definitely for a, you know, I was six, seven, years old around that time. So Kamala was definitely in my list of three guys that scared me. Abdulah the butcher definitely was on that list as well. And then do you remember that dude? He was a big Asian guy that wore a ponytail. And his finishing move was, I think it was a knee drop off the rope, but he spit green mist at people. I want to say it was like killer or something like that. Killer Khan, there's the great Kabuki, but I think it's Killer Khan you're talking about. Like those were the guys that just, that, you know, absolutely scared me. And, and, and I remember, you know, the, the little gimmick was that Kamala never knew when the match was over.

And so, you know, he would climb on the ropes multiple times to do his splash. He, it is pretty amazing that for a big dude, he was really agile, but he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, couldn't figure out, he couldn't figure out how to jump and land on somebody to save his life. Worst-looking splash of all time. All time. And but, you know, nobody cared. And for a guy that absolutely positively could not talk on the mic, he needed the Skandar Akbar's of the world to make it happen for him. But yeah, he was a great, monstrous heel in the early 80s, to be sure.

And the best part was is that Friday had to extract. him that when he would went for that splash to roll over somebody for the count that he had to put the guy on his back he would cover up people for the one two three when the other wrestler was on his stomach well that's why you had to have a Friday well it didn't they also have to at some point like blindfold him so that he would quit I felt like they put a blindfold on him so that he would quit doing whatever he was doing like they would they would have to like they would take a towel and they would like cover his eyes so that he would forget that there was a man there at some point and that they that they would get him to quit splashing.

And I guess I also, because I would have guessed the name wrong, so when did he pick up Kim Chi and the wizard in some of these guys? That was the WWF taking everything from all the different territories and gimmick in the hell out of it. And that's exactly what. Remember Harvey Whippelman rank was with Commod for a while too, maybe even slick, I don't know. But the best of the W of Kamala was mid-south and world-class.

And once he left to go to the WWE to go make his big money, because that's what, I mean, that's what Vince McMahon did. He took great territory wrestlers, brought him up there. You mentioned Terry Taylor becoming the Red Rooster. Carrie Von Erick was the Texas tornado. I mean, all these stupid-ass names. They did keep Kamala's name, but they put a bunch of, I mean, having Harvey Whippleman next to Kamala.

Yeah. Standar, you're the goat. We miss you. RIP, Scanor. Do you, and I feel like I might be the only person that feels this way. One of the things that I miss about the old early 80s wrestling,

and I feel like we're spoiled at this point, is that you don't have squash matches anymore. No. Like, it was a privilege to get two-name wrestlers going against one another. It used to be that you had, you know, the one-man gang was going to beat the crap out of Gary Young.

You know, the fantastics we're going to be taking on two, you know, fat bowlers. Yes. There was a guy named Mike Jackson that looked like my history teacher that I'm thinking probably was teaching social studies between, say, eight and three and then wrestled at seven o'clock at night, which means, you know, remember we were in New Orleans at the Super Bowl?

you jumped off the top row of a couch and landed on me. Yes, I did. You could be the next Mike Jackson. I just, I feel like, you know, we're, I wonder what the ratings would look like and the pay-per-view buys would look like if the TV stuff was more mic time and squash matches. I just, you know, it, there's nothing, to me, one of the issues I have with wrestling is that nothing feels special anymore. It's because you're, because, you know, um, um, Brock Lesnar can fight Seth Rollins any week. So what is, I mean,

Brock's a bad example because I only fights like once a month, but you know what I mean. You're, you, you see all the name guys all the time. Um, it was an event when, um, you know, when the freebirds were taking on, um, uh, uh, sting and Rick Steiner or hot stuff at a Gilbert and because you you for one thing they wanted you to buy tickets and go see that stuff in person and I guess you know they felt like if you watch it on TV you wouldn't go down and and buy the tickets but it it definitely had a different a different feel to it when you had when you had more scrubs involved for for lack of a better term yeah because that's how we learned to hate Kamala's by is beating up all these people that were weighing

12 pounds. So we'll wrap up any lasting impressions about Kamala before we continue because he didn't speak, but we were damn scared of him. I just, I would have liked him to see him get a little more run in terms of, I feel like he should have beaten a few more faces. You know, I bet his winning percentage was pretty low. You know, I don't remember ever seeing him beat the premier faces of the day. You know, now maybe they would, maybe he would come out from the back and he would attack somebody and those type of things. But I never felt like they built him up enough to where, yeah, he was, he was definitely scary, but he was never one that was going to be a threat to hold a belt. No question.

Or wear a belt. Yeah, I was going to say. Yeah, one man gang never wore a belt in order to come on. All right. This is our first edition of Plinko and Powerbombs. And we will wrap up our visit with a little wrestling to finish it off. But what I'm going to do with all my buddies, and Matt's been a long time friend of mine, is we're going to ask him simplistic questions about a variety of things, whether

be pro wrestling or game shows. And so today, with it being the first episode, and you guys know how I feel about game shows. I can talk for hours on end of them. I'm just going to bring Maddie in. Maddie, I asked you to name your three favorite game shows of all time, and we'll start with number three and why. You know, mine are similar in the sense that I need a host with some personality. You're not going to find anything hosted by Wink Martindale on my list.

Oh, that's harsh. Because I just, you know, I'm a big Bobby Eubank guy. No, wait a minute. Wait a minute. There is not much difference in Bob Eubanks and Wing Martindale. There just isn't. Wink Martindale couldn't tell a joke to save his life. You know what Bob did? He asked questions about anal sex on the newlywed game. I mean, how much different is that? Well, but like if you think about it, he was good at interacting people like on card sharks, on, do you remember Dreamhouse? Of course. So I guess I feel like he was a little bit better than that. I'm a huge Bert Convy guy. Love Bert Convy. So we're not doing hosts. We're doing the show.

So you're setting me up. What do you got? All right. Number three, I'm going to go with the Bert Convey hosted Super Password. Ooh, very interesting. I would actually go with the one that was before Super Password, the Alan Luddden hosted password plus, but SuperPassword wasn't a bad call.

The best thing about SuperPassword was, if you didn't win the bonus game for $5,000, you'd go back and play, it was for 10 and 15 and 20. Also, Bert Convey, to be brutally honest, Maddie, he made a lot of mistakes. He would slip the password out, unfortunately, a handful of times, thus making it very awkward for the contestants. Well, they had a, well, there were also a number of instances

where these celebrities would accidentally curse because they said the word and they had to do that little that little thing over them. You know, Vicki Lawrence would drop an F-bomb seemingly once a month on accident because she gave, you know, she would give out the password. But I liked the game. I liked Convy and it just felt like it had a good flow to it. So, you know, just from that standpoint, I enjoyed that. So that would be my number three.

All right, number two? Number two, I am going to go with, I like card sharks. It was, I liked it when they would, I never understood a lot. I always felt like the contestants used really dumb strategy with cards, but I liked the game. I like, you know, we surveyed 100 waiters and we asked them, you know, and these type of questions. And again, I think that, I think that,

U-Banks was just an excellent, you know, was just a very good host to me anyway. Wow. If I was going to go Card Sharks, I would go with Jim Perry, the original host. Is Jim Perry the guy that did sale of the century? He did, but he was also the first host of card sharks. And the best part about the original card sharks that the U-Banks was, they would open up with a poem. I'll give you an example.

Aces are high. Kings are two. You get an answer. and you're going to soon be screwed on cut charge. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. I guess number one, it's just so hard. It's like there's so many good ones.

I guess I would go with the Peter Tamarkin version of Pressure Luck. Ah, hmm. I don't mind the new version. They've added a bunch of gimmicky rule. to go for a million dollars by the way I forgot to ask you how do you like the new version of card charts I haven't seen it I haven't seen yeah it's the guy that hosts the soup what's um oh like I've lost track of who hosts the soup now like there's yeah this is the most recent one I'm trying to remember the guys not the guy

from community right what's that guy's name Joel yeah Joel whatever his name is he's the one okay okay okay okay I got you no I haven't seen it I haven't seen okay okay so tell me why you love to press your luck much. I guess just being my age, the little cartoon character Whammy is the different vignettes they would do when they would land on a whammy. And I probably have done the dumpster dive of watching the YouTube video of the guy they got thrown in jail for cheating on Pressure Luck because he figured out the different light patterns. I feel like that's something if I was older, I would have figured out myself and gotten on that show and, you know, and kind of figure that out.

I will say, so maybe this is on your list, but explain to me why, and it didn't change anything about the game, but why did Wheel of Fortune go away from letting you pick the prizes out of the little, like, showcases? Oh, there's one reason. It took too long. But I love that. It's like, all right. And yeah, for $200, I want the Dalmatian statue. And then 645, I want the dresser. I could not disagree with you more.

First of all, people are... We're going to put it on a Van Cleven-Arpelle's gift certificate. First of all, great retention on your part on that. The bottom line is more puzzles and people like cash. You get to play an extra puzzle at least even two. Imagine the amount of time you have to wait and spend listing to prizes. I think it was a tune-out factor. I think people wanted to see puzzles.

They didn't care if the contested bought a betting set. Well, they were only doing three rounds back then, no matter what. It was first, second, and third round. The highest dollar value, I believe, was $2,000. And I don't know. I guess I was into it. I might have been the only person that did it. But, yeah, I kind of missed that aspect of it.

But, man, like I told you last night, asking somebody to choose their favorite game shows is like trying to pick your favorite kids. I get it. All right. So you mentioned Bert Convey. You mentioned Bob Eubanks, who is the goat. of your world of game show host. God, this is tough.

Let's go through your two candidates. Berg-Conby hosted a show called Tadletails. For adult people would basically talk about the amount of sex they have with somebody not named their wife. Yeah. He hosted a super password. He hosted a win-lose-dra draw. Win-lose-Draw. He hosted a show called, I think, Third Degree that was basically going to ask questions about what guy's personality.

He was supposed to host the pilot. of the second version of match game, but he got diagnosed with brain cancer and died a year later. Right. So he didn't do that. But Bert was really, really good, really good host. Yeah. Now, Bob Eubanks, newlywed game, Dreamhouse, card sharks, trivia trap.

He did a show where he was based on O'Hanolulu, I think. There may have been the honeymoon game or something. I don't know what it was, but he's hosted a boatload of shows. Yeah, he did. You know, I think didn't after doing, didn't, didn't Bob Barker have something pre-Prices right that was, did he do a version of match game? No, Bob Barker, before he hosted prices right there. Truth and consequences, that's right. Yeah.

I mean, Barker doing 50 years of the Price is right. is never going to be topped. That's true. And especially because on, look, major props to Drew Kerry. I'm sure he's a wonderful human being. He seems very approachable. He's very nice to contestants. But every time I watch the show, and he's been on the show for over a decade, I feel like he's doing it for the very first time. Yeah. And I know we're probably not supposed to say this in the Me Too era, but didn't the story about Bob receiving Fallaccio from Diane make him even more like, oh my God, Bob is amazing. And frankly, I felt like as a kid I could have sex with Diane, where I can't have sex with that blonde that's on there now, who you know through a friend of a friend of a friend.

Yeah, yeah. Well, see, that's true. Although, I mean, Diane was unbelievable. Holly seemed much more attainable. So you think Holly was easier in the sack than Diane was? No, I'm just saying, like, Diane wasn't going to give you or I the time of day. I think Holly would have been somebody that, you know, would have been more attracted to our personalities type of thing. Like, think of it in these terms. If you and I were trying to date girls on the office, I feel like Karen would not have given us the time of day, even though she's much hotter than Pam. Well, unfortunately, since I have not watched one episode of the office, this conversation has officially gone on. I know, I know. Oh, my gosh. I mean, I was watching game shows. So let's

wrap up this first edition of Blinko and Powerbombs with something that we're not going to do a whole lot of because frankly I don't watch a lot of current wrestling but yes on Monday night something legendary happened there was this storyline for the last couple of months because I've been watching more wrestling because of COVID because there were no live sporting events where Rick Flair decided he wanted to be a bestie with run Randall K. Orton and was selling him and Rick was trying to be a heel Rick Flair at 71 years old is never going to be a heel. He's going to be the goat, no matter how many four horsemen stories you tell, old Rick Flair is Charlotte's dad, he cries, he's sweet, he can barely move, he's on cameo, he'll never be a heel to us. So this past Monday, and I didn't see the show because I was busy watching Rockets and Astros, he apparently went up to Randy, and Randy was not happy with him, and did the heel turn, Randy hitting Rick Flair in the Nads.

And then as the lights were about to go out, we didn't see it, Maddie. But apparently Randall K. Orton foot stomped the nature boy. You showed me the video and I saw the video. And it like, it just, it looks sad. It looked like somebody beating up their grandfather. It's just like, I was like, what are we doing here? Mission accomplished. You don't beat up Rick Flair like that.

You don't whisper at him. You don't take your size 14 boot and hit a 71-year-old man with it. Well, supposedly, allegedly. I, you know, I don't know why they feel like they need him for a prop anymore, I guess. You know, it's. You know what? part of it to me, though, Maddie is, I think probably Rick needs the money. And he said, he might. Vince, do whatever you need to do to me to embarrass me. I'm not going to fight Randy

Orton. I'm going to help set up this new grudge match between RKO and Drew McIntyre, I guess. But I need Flair in my life. I just don't need him being hit in the Nads. Yeah, I don't need him. Yeah, I did, that was, that was, let me put you this way. That was an uncomfortable watch. Yeah, I'll agree with you on that. It was, it was a, it was a very, it was a very uncomfortable watch. I asked you this, uh, text you to this last night, getting back to what we were talking about originally with Mid-South and whatnot. Does, does WWE own those tapes? Like, do they own all the, do they own that library? They own the WCWNWA library. I don't think they own the Mid-South library because as I told you, and I'll tell you in the audience,

out there. If you loved a mid-south like I did, you can watch old Mid-South clips full episodes on YouTube. Now, you can't see full episodes of Houston Wrestling. There are a few out there. I think somebody in Texas owns the Houston wrestling stuff. Do you think there's any chance in hell that channel 39 still has like old beta or VHS or whatever they used back in the day, tapes of that? because I'm telling you right now, if I was in controlling programming at Channel 39, the WB, or whatever they're called right now, like, why would you not put that on at 8 p.m. on a Saturday night when you have nothing else to show? I think people would watch.

If you gave it any type of publicity, people of our generation would be like, hell yeah, let's do this. Like, IPN. Yeah, I'll say this. I don't think anybody 39 owns it. There is somebody that owns the tapes, and I think that it would be just at a price. Now, to wrap things up... What would you pay? Like, for the whole library, for the whole library, would you pay $500?

You're talking about probably 20 years of tapes. Is it that many? Oh, yeah. The rest, they were doing wrestling between, well, maybe not 20, but probably 72 to 82, to 82 somewhere in that range? Then I would definitely pay $500 for it. Maybe even not. I said this, 72 will see, UWF was like,

85 and then 86 is when Vince bought the same Houston Colisean or you know the Houston wrestling promotion so probably 14 15 years Bruce Pritcher would actually have it be a better re-answer to that but let me do this trivia question to wrap up the show speaking of Houston wrestling there were three main sponsors of wrestling on channel 39 on Saturday night Sunday morning you named one of them I have the other two IW marks jewelry um mr. Norman Mr. Norman is correct. Yes.

And my favorite part was when Mr. Norman wanted to speak to you to the Spanish audience, they would say, Yama, Mr. Norman. Which I don't know, is yamya even a word or a phrase? Yama, Yama is the verb to call. So if it's like if you need this, Yama, Mr. Norman. Maddie? Tears my eyes, my friend. Hey, it's always a pleasure, sir.

Matt Jackson, hero, friend, great Houstonian, proud cougar, and a great educator. as we wrap up our first and hopefully many editions of Plinkos and Powerbombs. Thanks for listening and watching. We'll see you very short.