The Matt Thomas Show with Ross - Rockets Fall to Jazz, Drop to 13–5... Heavy College Football Talk

Episode Date: December 2, 2025

Rockets Fall to Jazz, Drop to 13–5... Heavy College Football Talk ...

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is the Matt Thomas show with Ross. 10-1 in H-Town, hello. And welcome in to a Tuesday edition of the Matt Thomas show with Ross, without Matt Thomas. He is out traveling with the Houston Rockets who lost last night in Salt Lake City to the Utah Jazz. More on that in just a moment. But we are here for the next four hours where I will be joined by. Well, I don't know. I asked Chris Gordy to hang out. He said he would. He is not here at the moment. I have reached out to both Adams and asked them if they wanted to hang out for a little bit. of them have responded so we'll see is it four straight hours of ross solo with jonathan allen of course into the fold jonathan how are you on this beautiful tuesday i'm cold i'm chilly man it is a little cold like i came up here and the i went to the uh elevator and there was this girl i don't know tell me how awkward of an interaction was this on my part one to ten this girl uh a young lady who she was
Starting point is 00:01:26 wearing like this big like if you went to on a trip to New Mexico and you got like a Mexican blanket yet it was like fortified with a bunch of fluff and cushiony down whatever and I just saw her
Starting point is 00:01:42 and I blurted out and I was like wow you look bundled up and she's just like ha ha I was like well I wasn't trying to be weird or anything I just noticed like small talk she was just awkward with that good good I thank you Jonathan because I was like, because then we got in the elevator and then nobody said a word.
Starting point is 00:02:00 And I was like, this is weird, but whatever. I mean, she just looked like she walked in from the igloo. That's all I was trying to say. I don't know. Maybe, you know what, maybe I shouldn't have said what I said. At least you got a little chuckle, though. I mean, I don't know. Was it awkward nervous chuckle or was it a good chuckle?
Starting point is 00:02:15 Who knows, who cares? I mean, I wasn't hitting on her or anything. I was just making a comment. So anyways, yeah, it's cold out there, man. It's like, it's like in the 30s. I love this. Do you like cold weather, Jonathan? I know you're from, so explain this again.
Starting point is 00:02:29 You started your life in California and lived a lot of your life in Dallas. Yeah, so North Texas. So this is kind of what I'm used to, really. And I went to Kentucky for a little bit. Okay, yeah. Kentucky's pretty damn cold, right? Yeah, it's like this starting in October. You guys have snow days up there?
Starting point is 00:02:42 Dude, I went to class one day, and you know when those, you don't know what's slippery ice, you're just walking on it. Oh, that's not good, man. I did a whole cartoon flip on my back. I had lost the wig on me. Dude, you can, you can land on your tailbone and be out a couple weeks. I was wheezing. No joke.
Starting point is 00:02:59 Slipping on the, you were weeting? Was we? I'm not, I'm not the breath out of me. I was in there. Were people around? Was anybody around? No, I was behind the parking garage.
Starting point is 00:03:08 Look me, but I was sitting there just embarrassed. Okay, that was good. I had, when I was in college, I had a girlfriend who she fell like, have you seen the UT Tower? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right in front of the UT Tower, there's a bunch of steps. It's like rocky steps. And I was meeting her between classes, and she fell down.
Starting point is 00:03:26 steps she fell down about a good 15 of the steps i can laugh now but at the time i was like oh my god and like 10 people came by like oh my god are you okay and she was fine she had like scraped her shin or something and and she was totally fine but she the worst part was just how embarrassed she was so you weren't very embarrassed no after i did my look at you didn't you looked around and everything everything was cool you didn't have to be embarrassed in front of everybody Okay. Well, yeah, it's cold out there, but at least it's not icy. I like this type of cold. Like anything, I like anything 30 plus.
Starting point is 00:04:04 When you start getting below freezing and you have frozen snot and the ice on your car and all that other stuff, I'm not down. Anything up to and including 32 degrees I'm down with, I think it's fun. I think it's a nice change of pace to 110 degrees and humidity. I'd rather be 32 degrees. It's not even close. Let's play KTRH right now. It's going to be, this is the lowest of the week. It's going to be high 60s. Are you trying out for the weatherman and KTRH?
Starting point is 00:04:32 No, I'm a jack of all trades. I see that. All right. News Radio 740 KTRH weather report. Here's Jonathan Allen. Go ahead. All right. So today is going to be the highest week 53 with the lowest of 39,
Starting point is 00:04:47 sitting in very cloudy skies today. Going the rest of the week, we got storms 70% and 100% for Thursday thunderstorms. And it's going to be the highest. 66 so be prepared get your poncho ready to go to work oh i was going to tell you you got to throw in a little kitchy something and then you did it they always throw in something at the end of the make sure you to bundle up your children and put those mittens on your kittens it's going to be a cold one tonight make sure you cover up those plants you always got to throw in a little personal note you did that wow 10 out of 10 jonathan allen i pay attention you are hired as a as sports
Starting point is 00:05:22 Stock 790 weather, man. We appreciate you. All right. So it's a little cold out there. As I said, Matt Thomas is out. We do have sports stuff to get to. I didn't even lay out the phone number. 713-212-5-790 if you would like to get in 7-1-3-212-5-7-90. Tweets to at SportsRV. And you know what, I would appreciate a follow on my Instagram at SportsRV. I know if you're an Aggie fan, you're not going to want to hear this. But if you want to see a couple of of the photos and videos that I took while at DKR Stadium on Friday where the Longhorns got the big win over the Texas H&M Aggies, even though that is not going to vault them to the playoffs.
Starting point is 00:06:02 I have that up there. Always trying to post more content and I really would appreciate a follow at SportsRV on my Instagram. So I mentioned you have the Rockets losing last night to the Utah Jazz. It's funny because literally yesterday on this show, we were talking with Matt Thomas. And I mentioned it on the pregame on the Rockets launch pad, which I know you all caught at 7 o'clock last night here on Sports Talk 790. Like, hey, the Rockets got four losses, and they got a great record,
Starting point is 00:06:32 and they're number three in the West. But even all these losses are great in a way. They lost to the Thunder. They should have won. They lost to the Pistons, who are number one in the East. They should have won that game. Then they lost a close one to the Nuggets, and they lost one of the Spurs when they still had Wimby.
Starting point is 00:06:50 Like nothing to be embarrassed. about in this bunch and then they lost last night to the Utah jazz it just wasn't pretty it was their first a number of things rolled into one in my opinion uh it was their first game on a back to back they didn't look super fresh even though there was no travel in between it I don't know what happened I made a joke on Twitter last night like is it the Salt Lake City nightlife like why are the rockets not able what is there to do were they they at uh they were studying the book of late last night at the Bible study I don't know what they were doing in Salt Lake City but apparently they had back to back legs yesterday they couldn't make a three they had been the number one or
Starting point is 00:07:34 number two three point shooting team all season long and I got to tell you I got to be honest I don't expect that to continue and I just I mean Kevin Durant's very good but Reed Shepard had been shooting out of his mind Alprin Shungoon's way ahead of where he had been career Jumari Smith Jr. A couple of ticks of where he's been in his career. I just do expect a little bit of regression unless Reed Shepard and Jabari Smith Jr. and Alper and Shungoon are just going to be excellent three-point shooters all for 82 games, which I said, I don't expect, but I will accept, let's put it that way. But there was some three-point regression for the Rockets. They just looked a little bit lethargic. The Utah Jazz were shooting the freaking lights out.
Starting point is 00:08:13 And I talked about, we talked about this on this show a lot. If for those you that aren't tuned into the NBA, I understand it's NFL right now. now, it's college football, but I'm talking about those you've tuned it out for years. If you come back, you're going to be impressed with how talented every single team is. The Utah Jazz are terrible. They came into the game 6 and 13 Rockets beat him by 28 the day before. But they have Lori Marketing, who is a guy who is a 30-point thread and has been an all-star. Yusuf Nurkich is a good big man who can drop 15 and 10 on any given night.
Starting point is 00:08:50 He gave them 18 and 9. I mean, Kianti George is a good player. Ace Bailey is a lottery pick who is starting to come into his own and score a bunch of points. Like the Utah Jazz, even the bad teams in the NBA, the Brooklyn Nets, Michael Porter, Jr. went off for like 37 points. The nets are terrible. Michael Porter Jr. is pretty good, and they got Cam Thomas, whoever else on that team. They're pretty good.
Starting point is 00:09:13 Like, these bad teams, even in this day and age, have good players and they are dangerous. and they were dangerous last night against the Houston Rockets. Lori Marketing had 29 points. Keante George, excuse me, went off for 28. As I said, 18 and 9 from Yusuf Nurkich. You couldn't make a three. They were making their threes. You had dead legs.
Starting point is 00:09:36 The defense wasn't great last night. The Utah Jazz scored 30 plus points in every single quarter, and it just turned out to be one of those games. You would have liked to end the four-game road trip with a win, but the Rockets were unable to do that. They had won eight of the last nine. They still are very good, but we can cross that off the list. The Rocklands haven't had a bad loss all year long.
Starting point is 00:09:59 That was a bad loss last night. I mean, even as I said, a talented Utah Jazz team, 11.5 point favorites were the Rockets last night, and they weren't able to get it done. So that was a disappointment. They traveled today. As I said, Matt Thomas is out. He's on the team plane.
Starting point is 00:10:15 Not sure if they're in the air or if they made it late last night. Matt Thomas is just sleeping in, Totally fine. That's his right. I'm not trying to be snarky about that or anything. So they will be off today and then they will be facing off against the Sacramento Kings tomorrow. And then they have a game against the suns coming up on Friday for a couple of home games coming up here for your Houston Rockets. Of course here on Sports Talk 790, we are your home for your Houston Rockets. So Rockets lose last night. We still have a lot of other stuff to get to here on the show. I'm flying solo right now. So if you want to be my co-host for a couple of minutes, you can get.
Starting point is 00:10:49 get in on the phone line. 713-212-5-790 is the phone number. 7-13-212-5-7-90 if you would like to get in. You could also interact on the social medias if you would like. You can follow me at SportsRV on Instagram and you can tweet me at SportsRV on Twitter and I'll read your tweet and we can interact that way if you would like. Rockets lose last night. Texans are getting a little bit more national shine for these victories.
Starting point is 00:11:19 that they've had now, beating the Colts and then the bills in back-to-back weeks. National College football stuff to get to. Did you see what Lane Kiffin said yesterday? Do you know what I'm talking about, Jonathan? I'm reading it right now. We are going to talk about that later on in the show. And I was hoping Chris Gordy would be around at some point
Starting point is 00:11:40 so we can talk about that with him as well. We got gut feelings coming up at 1130. We got news at noon. We get anything you guys want to get to. A lot of sports stuff going on. 713-212-5-7-90 is the phone number. 7-13-212-5-7-90. It is the Matt Thomas show with Ross without Matt Thomas with you until 2 o'clock here on Sports Talk 790.
Starting point is 00:12:14 I am resisting the urge to do a guttural scream for this song. I don't know if you can tell. I still have a little bit of a lost voice from this weekend. Does it sound normal to you? That's a little raspy, baby. Hey, yeah, what's up? It sounds a little bit more like I'm doing the quiet storm on a sports talk 790. I lost my voice a little bit at DKR on Friday.
Starting point is 00:12:41 And then it had been recovering over the weekend. And then yesterday I did this show and then I did a pre and post game for the rocket. So I think we're back on the men. We need to be back on the hot tea and honey regimen or something like that because, well, my voice is struggling a little bit. So that means if you want to get in on the phone lines, you will have free reign to say just about anything that you want. If you want to talk about biscuits and gravy, or if you want to talk about the latest Rockets Laws, or if you want to talk about basically anything you want to get to, phone lines are open for you here on the Matt Thomas show with Ross. Matt is out
Starting point is 00:13:16 So you can get in for a couple of minutes if you would like 713-212-5-790 is the phone number 7-1-3-212-5-7-90 Again, you can send tweets to at Sports RV If you would like to get in this way Speaking of Matt Thomas, he sent a picture to me yesterday Of Tri-Tip And then asked me if Tri-Tip is considered brisket
Starting point is 00:13:41 Which it is not Those are two different cuts of meat I guess he's in Utah. Californians, I think they use tri-tip and they roast it, and it's kind of like their version of brisket. It is, I mean, it's a higher quality cut of meat, but it's not cooked to the quality that Texas does brisket. That's why you got to cook that bad boy 12 hours
Starting point is 00:14:03 because of, I mean, how tough and chewy it is. But once you get it tender with that perfect Texas bark and you get it with that post oak, the beautiful, wonderful Texas, with just a little salt and pepper. There's nothing that beats that. But tri-tip is not brisket. No, it is not.
Starting point is 00:14:21 That is two different cuts of me. All right. Anyways, I digress. Let's see, what's going on in the sports world? You had Monday night football last night. Did you see Jackson Dart flying around the football field? I love doing that. Every quarterback used to be scared.
Starting point is 00:14:40 You loved it? No, I was loving that. What? Were you standing up clapping at your couch? Like, you get out of bounds where you can get smacked, man. Like, that's what's going to happen. I mean, he missed a couple of games with a concussion, right? Like, Jackson Dart, like, do we have to... Somebody's got to have a sit-down talk with him
Starting point is 00:14:59 because he's one of the great things about him in the way that he plays, and that he plays hard, he wears his heart on his sleeve, he tries everything he possibly can to win, But this is something that, yeah, it'll need to get out of your game. And young quarterbacks learn this either the easy way or the hard way. And right now, Jackson Dart is learning it the hard way. He got absolutely popped by a New England Patriots linebacker last night.
Starting point is 00:15:32 And I didn't even think it was a dirty play. I saw the play. Because if you, so I thought it was kind of close. If you look at the sideline angle that they showed, Jackson Dart could have. have gone out of bounds for about good five yards and then he stays towing the line trying to get that first down no get
Starting point is 00:15:51 popped out absolutely did you ever play NFL blitz back in the day he got NFL blitzed he went flying like a ragdoll on air man that was you could have saw that on like a movie or a television show and you'd be like that's not realistic
Starting point is 00:16:09 that's not how it works that would have never happened and he just went It was like he was pulled on wires in a Matrix movie or like Mission Impossible or something That was insane Jackson Dart, you've got to learn But Jackson Dart is my computer up Jonathan
Starting point is 00:16:27 I can't see you because our computers Videos are broken So I imagine hopefully you're giving me a thumbs up Let me check. Here's Jackson Dart saying that he's not going to change the way that he's going to play Look I'm going to keep playing aggressive No hopefully everybody can Take a second to watch my
Starting point is 00:16:43 tape going back to high school and realized that this is not a shock like I play the game aggressively um I took one hit that people are talking about I slid got out of the way of a lot of hits so I appreciate people you know wanting to you know me to be healthy and all that stuff and I want to be healthy too but I play this game aggressive so I'm not I'm not going to just change how I play the game wrong answer Jackson dart come on I the game. Okay, pop, every time. Look, what happens anytime any of us get criticized, Jonathan? We're going to be defensive.
Starting point is 00:17:19 Yes. We're going to say this is the way we do things, and I understand Jackson Dart, you're young, you know everything, you've been successful, you're a first round pick, you've had a lot of success early in the NFL. But somebody needs to take him aside and say, wrong answer. I mean, the
Starting point is 00:17:34 start of this is where it's really a problem. Look, I'm going to keep playing aggressive. No, hopefully everybody can take a second to watch my take, going back to high school. Okay, I'm sorry. This is not high school, my friend. You're not even, where is Jackson Dard even from?
Starting point is 00:17:50 I don't know. I just know he from, he's from, he's from Caysville, Utah. He went to Corner Canyon High School in Draper, Utah. This is not 2A Utah football, my friend. You're not playing up against a bunch of people who aren't allowed to have caffeine and alcohol. You are playing against the best of the best. And maybe that works in Draper, Utah.
Starting point is 00:18:19 That doesn't work when you're going up against Mike Vrable's New England Patriots, who are now 11 and 2, and just about caved your chest cavity in. There are levels to this, and you are at the highest level. If you're saying you're going to keep on running around and doing all this crazy stuff, then you're just going to get hurt. That's just the way it is. You've got to figure out a way to get out of bounds. You can be aggressive.
Starting point is 00:18:47 But if you want to lower your shoulder and lower your helmet and continue to run when this dude, I'll tell you, anyone given NFL linebacker is better than anybody probably in the whole state of Utah in high school football. Yeah, probably. And not even, like, come on now, this is ridiculous. You got to have a, you know what, maybe he has been concussed too many times. well if anybody knows
Starting point is 00:19:12 this is how I always play well yeah you got your brain rattled too much Jackson this is ridiculous you can't keep doing this he's got to figure something out and he's he's got to learn and somebody's got to take him aside whether it'd be Mike Kafka the head coach
Starting point is 00:19:27 who I want to say Mike Kafka had like a concussion or two when he was in Northwestern back of the day but anyways Jackson Dart I mean figure it out dude especially for people who have you on your fantasy team which I don't. I picked him up for one week and then cut him like an idiot,
Starting point is 00:19:43 but he's not going to keep doing this. And don't keep digging your hole. And I understand you're probably feeling attacking. You're like, this is how I's always done it. This is how I play. This is in my DNA. Look at my high school tape. We're not looking at your high school tape.
Starting point is 00:19:59 We're looking at the NFL where you are flying like you've been launched out of a cannon. I mean, goodness. All right, 713, 212, 570 is the phone number. happened last night on Monday night football. Didn't have any material impact on anything that is going on with the Houston Texans, except that I kind of wanted the Patriots to lose
Starting point is 00:20:19 so I can continue to convince myself that the Texans can win the AFC. I'm not saying they are, and I want to be clear, because I was thinking about this yesterday, I was like, I kind of mentioned like it popped in my head that the Texans could win the AFC. I'm not calling them AFC favorites. I'm not saying
Starting point is 00:20:36 they're marching into the Super Bowl. I will say, with my chest, this is a Super Bowl winning defense, Super Bowl winning caliber defense. The offense has to do their part to an extent. They're not good enough to where they can overcome a bad
Starting point is 00:20:51 offense. But could you get C.J. Stroud catching lightning in a bottle and getting hot in the playoffs, along with Nico Collins, and Woody Marks is playing better? And oh, by the way, I checked the offensive line rankings
Starting point is 00:21:08 last week. Jonathan, the Texans are 21st, according to Pro Football Focused. They've been looking really solid. Twenty first. Looking a little better. Maybe it's a combination they switched it up. Yeah, I think Ed Ingram has gotten better in pass pro. His run blocking's been great.
Starting point is 00:21:23 His past pro's gotten better. Trent Brown has been a better option with right tackle. That way you can kick Titus Howard into guard, so you're shoring up things with guards and Ari Arante Urstery continues to get better every week. And it's not like they're all pro bowlers. I mean, we're talking about being, you know, we're going to throw a parade for them being 21 out of 32.
Starting point is 00:21:40 But if they can continue to get better, improve, play more cohesively because they're getting the same guys out there and gel and be a middle of the pack offensive line to where you get some run game with Woody Marks who's been improved. C.J. Stroud can play better than he did early in the season when he was under duress every single snap. And then you've got a Super Bowl winning defense? I'm just saying. I'm not saying. I'm just saying. The Broncos and the Patriots are the toast of the AFC, but how crazy is it for me to say the Texans could, maybe could, if they get their act together, especially on offense, win the AFC. Of course, we can poke some holes in that argument we will discuss as we go along. We got a lot of stuff to get to here on the Matt Thomas show. James, I see you on hold.
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Starting point is 00:27:34 713-212-5-790 is the phone number. Chris Gordy should be joining along here in just a little bit. We got the news at noon coming up at, you guessed it, noon. Also got feelings at 1130. That should be fun to rehash a couple of the ones from last week. James has been holding longest on the phone line, so we shall go in his directions. James, appreciate you holding through the break. What do you got?
Starting point is 00:28:00 Oh, yeah, that's my fault. You're right. I restarted the computer. I'm sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead, James. Sorry. That was user error and I was the user there.
Starting point is 00:28:08 Go ahead. Okay. There's going to be a lot of good teams that I'm going to make the playoffs this year in college football. Yes. And I would like to see, if Texas does not make it, I would like to see Texas and maybe play Michigan or Texas play Clems or Texas play USC. Somebody like that would be a really good bowl game, I think. I was looking at the bowl projections yesterday, but then a bunch of pop-ups came up and I didn't, I didn't, I was trying to look yesterday. I don't know exactly where they would have Texas.
Starting point is 00:28:34 I don't think they're going to make the playoff. They didn't get anything to go their way over the weekend. Are they one of the best 12 teams in football? Yes. Are they one of the best 10 teams in college football? I would submit yes. Still, the way that they're playing as of late. But they're probably not going to get in.
Starting point is 00:28:49 I'm going to be honest, I don't really care what bowl game they play in after that. It's who knows. You have a bunch of opt-out. You have guys going to the draft. It's not really going to matter. Bowl games don't have anywhere near the cash. that they used to. So it's not really on my radar
Starting point is 00:29:07 who they would play against. I kind of don't care. Well, being a U of H fan, I would like to see you of H play Vanderbilt. If they could get Vanderbilt or somebody that quality, that'd be great. But I don't, you know, I want U.S. to play someone,
Starting point is 00:29:20 at least somebody decent. I mean, they're in the big job. Yeah. The bowl projections I'm looking at from ESPN, both have Michigan versus Texas in the Cheez-It Citrus Bowl. Which would be a rematch of the 2004 season. It was in the January of 2005.
Starting point is 00:29:39 So you're telling me you wouldn't watch that bowl game. I didn't say I wouldn't watch. I didn't say I'm just going to act like it's some huge great match. It's the Cheez-It Citrus Bowl, James. We're talking about Cheez-Its, man. Come on. Exactly. Cheez-its are made with cheese, right?
Starting point is 00:29:57 Why is it citrus? Well, it's cheesy. I'll give you that. It's cheesy, but I still want to see a good football game. Yeah, you want to see a good football game. And, I mean, that's two of the heritage brands in college football history, but it's not like it would be just some knockdown, dragout, can't miss matchup. That is one of the things, and thank you, James, for making the phone call.
Starting point is 00:30:16 One of the things that the, it's a number of things, right? It's the playoff that is going to devalue some of these other bowl games, but they were already kind of devalued. It was this oversaturation. There's too many of them. Now you have players who are opting. out, who are transferring out. The team doesn't look anything like it did during the regular season.
Starting point is 00:30:37 And, I mean, it is what it is. I'm not going to, like, lament it and say it's a sad or whatever. Like, should the SRS distribution Las Vegas Bowl be a huge game on everyone's radar? Probably not. It's more college football that you can kind of flip on and put on the background if you want to. But certainly the rest of the bowl games have been devalued with now, the top 12 teams getting involved in the playoff. That's what everybody's focused on
Starting point is 00:31:05 and that's what they should be. So that's where I am on that. All right, 713, 212-5-790 is the phone number. Let's keep it rolling with George in West U on the phone lines. What's up, George? Hey, I was just thinking, I don't know if you guys already covered this, but, you know, the Patriots' last drive of the first half yesterday was how to do a drive at the end of a.
Starting point is 00:31:31 half and it was such a dramatic contrast to what the Texans did at the end of their first half the day before. It really kind of made me, I don't know, sad, angry, frustrated, but it just really underscored how poorly the Texas, the Texans, you know, were prepared for the opportunity, how poorly they took advantage of the opportunity, and how well it can be prepared for it, and how well it can be taken advantage of, you know, have a plan for what you're going to do in that last 90 seconds, be able to take advantage the opportunity if you get some early gains, know when you're going to take a time out as opposed to just sort of floundering and saying, oh, well, we'll wait for the second half kickoff. It was incredibly frustrating.
Starting point is 00:32:16 I don't know how you guys felt. By the way, I'm not so sure the cheese hits are made of cheese because if they were made of actual cheese, they wouldn't have to spell it in a, you know, non-food way. So I'm not so sure about that. I don't know. The commercials say it's all cheddar. The commercials wouldn't lie, would they, George? Okay.
Starting point is 00:32:34 I guess not. You got me there. No, I don't know. I'm just kidding. I don't know what the hell is in those things. And they're disgusting, by the way. I'll put my name on it. Yeah, cheeses are terrible.
Starting point is 00:32:46 Come on, man. It's like goldfish for adults. Oh, no. They're way saltier. whatever I think you George but to George's first point what do you mean the Patriots
Starting point is 00:32:58 they had a minute seven and they had a good drive used their timeouts judiciously and got a field goal at the end of the half you're allowed to do that a couple of things here first of all it's always funny when you look at like when I watch
Starting point is 00:33:11 the Astros and they're not able to move runners in scoring position and then I put it on a national TV game and somebody some other team is doing it it makes you frustrated so I understand where George is coming from like you watch your team and they're like why can't they do
Starting point is 00:33:22 this and then somebody else does it and it makes you even more angry. That's and that's the big thing the biggest, one of the biggest things that deters me from really believing the Texans can go on some magical run and win a Super Bowl
Starting point is 00:33:39 as that within the thin margins of making the right decision in the right moment and being prepared for anything, I feel like Damico Ryan's falls short. He is just not a great in-game manager
Starting point is 00:33:54 he's not great with his challenges or with his timeouts or with his kick slash go decisions I mean He's not terrible though He's not terrible But he But when you get to the
Starting point is 00:34:07 When you want to get to the Super Bowl You got to be great You got to excel You have to be You have to be prepared for everything That's one of the I mean underreported Storylines of why the New England Patriots
Starting point is 00:34:16 were so good for so many years With Bill Belichick They always knew when to take their timeouts They always were able to push those margins and get those extra three points. Get that extra first down. Get that extra challenge. Save those extra few seconds.
Starting point is 00:34:30 The attention to detail has to be so great. And I'm not necessarily saying, you know, this is some big failure of his. It's just, when you want to go from a good head coach, which I think Demico Ryan's is, to elite, you have to do those little things, and I don't think he does them consistently enough.
Starting point is 00:34:46 And a lot of that stuff, I just feel like you learn on the job, you learn end game. or to, like, practice for that kind of stuff. You know, because so much of it is Judge McCall. I mean, honestly, a lot of those relying on the people upstairs. The people in your ear to go, hey, coach. Well, let's go. Let's review this.
Starting point is 00:35:04 Hey, coach. And Nikki sees it, Nicky sees in his headset. Like, what was it, was it Christian Kirk who had dropped the ball out of bounds? And then he throws the challenge flag a couple of weeks ago. Yeah. It's like, what are we doing? There's just some. I could also be bad advice from the folks upstairs.
Starting point is 00:35:18 Yeah, that probably wasn't his call. That wasn't D'emico Ryan saying, yeah, it looks like he caught it. Like he, yeah, he got bad advice. That's what I'm saying, though. That's what a good manager, a game manager is going to do is going to just, he's going to find good people underneath him to give him the right advice. So that is one of my concerns. The right advice.
Starting point is 00:35:36 Hey, my friend. You hold this uncomfortable, hunk of metal. You got it all wrong. Don't go? I'm not going to say anything else from that. Very troubling monologue. Get the right advice. Let's go.
Starting point is 00:35:50 It's ridiculous. Okay, we're going to take a break. I've said ridiculous a lot of times today because it's ridiculous. Where are you on Sunday? Where am I? You feel like to have a chance? This upcoming Sunday? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:36:00 They're going to win. Okay. What's up? You heard you here first. I called the upset last week. We're going back to back, baby. I'm a little more scared of Pat Mahomes than I am Daniel Jones on a broken fibula. So I reserve the right to back off on that by Friday, but I'm feeling confident now.
Starting point is 00:36:17 You know, it's always week to week. generally, actually, I feel very confident. I feel terribly unconfident beginning of the week. And then I feel confident as the week comes to the close. Might be the opposite this week. Right now I'm feeling pretty good. But we'll think about that as the week goes along. All right, Chris Gordy is here hanging out.
Starting point is 00:36:34 We got gut feelings coming up at 1130. You want to get in. You can 713-212-5-790 is the phone number. 7-1-3-212-5-7-90. The Matt Thomas show with Ross without Matt Thomas rolls along until 2 o'clock here on Sports Talk 790. All right. Rolling along here now, our number one of the Matt Thomas show with Ross.
Starting point is 00:37:06 Coming up at 11 o'clock, I want Chris Gore's opinion on what Lane Kiffin had to say yesterday. We will play that coming up in about 10 minutes, but we got a couple of. of you on hold. So let's go ahead and get to you. 713, 212. 5790 is the phone number. Also at 1130, we will have gut feelings.
Starting point is 00:37:29 And I've got to come to collect on gut feelings coming up at 1130. I'm feeling good. Yankees Keith is on. Now you used to be Texans, Keith. Now you're back off the Texans bandwagon. We want you back, Keith. What's the deal?
Starting point is 00:37:43 Okay, first off, in basketball season, And for the last 30 years, I've been a rocket key. Okay. Y'all seem to forget that. So anyway, I want to show you a little something, and then I'm going to get to what I wanted to talk about, what you're Houston, Texas. So yesterday, it was cold and it was raining a little bit, right?
Starting point is 00:38:07 So I had on my rocket's hoodie. I got a bald head I had on a wool hat, and my wife said, well, you need to, you need to, take an umbrella. I said I got man parked. I don't need no umbrella, which gets me to my point. On Sunday,
Starting point is 00:38:27 when your team had the ball with two minutes left, and you've got two timeouts, and you got a so-called superstar quarterback, well, he ain't a superstar. Well, he's a good quarterback. York, Houston, Texas
Starting point is 00:38:43 didn't try to do a do a doggone thing. And then they had two seconds left at halftime they do scared they even kick a field goal. So they talk to your coach. You're a nutless coach. And they're asking, well, why didn't you try? I would love you to call. I would love you to call
Starting point is 00:38:59 Damico Ryan's nutliss to his face. Well, I don't know if I want to do that. But I'll just say this. He said, well, we got the lead and we're going to get the ball to start the third quarter. I said, well, you had two minutes to try to put a nail in the coffin. And y'all
Starting point is 00:39:16 And you had no nuts to even try something. That's what I'm saying. In order to play big boy football to hang with the big boys, you've got to have a coach with nuts. And Domingo O'Reyas does not have any. He likes it in, all right, Keith, I'm not going to put it the way that you did, that he doesn't have any nuts.
Starting point is 00:39:34 I'm just going to say that he is an old school defensive type-minded coach. And the old-school trope is that defensive ball coach, I will win with my defense and the run game, and I will play conservative, we will play not to lose, and we are going to win games 20 to 16. That's basically what happened on Sunday, and that's what D'Amico Ryan's likes to happen.
Starting point is 00:39:57 That's why they've been in a lot of one-score games. I think our last four wins are all by one score. Let me pull this up. Yes, four wins by one score, and all five of their losses are by one score. This, unfortunately, is the Razor's edge that D'emico Ryans likes to live on because he feels like they can win with their defense.
Starting point is 00:40:20 I will also dispute that they did not try to score in the second quarter. Because you pull up that drive, they had seven plays. Pass, pass, pass, incompletion, incompletion, completed pass. And then the Helmerie. So they passed every single down.
Starting point is 00:40:40 They were trying to get a field goal to start. but they let the clock run down a little bit too much especially after well now after the completion no actually they didn't really mishandle the timeouts that much but they should have kicked the field goal
Starting point is 00:40:56 at the 47 don't you normally add 17 to that that'd be about a 64 yarder and Kami Fairbrand has the capability of making a 64 yarder it was a puzzling decision D'emico Rines was asked about it twice and he didn't say anything
Starting point is 00:41:13 either time. Both times he's like, look, guys, we want to put points on the board, we want to win. Like, yeah, okay, that's great, that's cool. You can coach speak this to your blue in the face, but why did you not kick the ball? That was not answered. Were they scared it was going to get blocked? Did they feel like
Starting point is 00:41:29 Camie Fairbearer and didn't have the leg? I mean, he was indoors. Was the air conditioning blowing too hard in Lucas Oil Stadium? I don't know. There's no answer for that. So yes, Demikos Ryan's propensity to play close to the vest is something I'm concerned about.
Starting point is 00:41:48 He doesn't go for fourth downs when he's supposed to. He doesn't, he punts when he's supposed to go for it. He kicks field goals when he's supposed to go for it. And he plays not to lose far too often. It's a problem I've talked about with Steve Sarkisian that I have, although he's been a little bit more aggressive. But there is an analytics guy that I follow. His name is Ben Baldwin.
Starting point is 00:42:08 Every week he puts out stats, who has cost themselves the most win probability here actually he put it out an hour ago win probability loss per game by being afraid on four downs is what he calls it well the Steelers have passed the Texans but the Texans are second worst in football
Starting point is 00:42:25 and Mike Tomlin is a notoriously conservative coach oh defensive ball coach likes to win with the run game in his defense kind of the same thing Kansas City up there by the way as well Andy Reid not being very aggressive. So that is something that is concerning me long term for the Texans.
Starting point is 00:42:45 I would like them to, I'm not asking, I'm not asking him to be, I would ask him, not asking him to be Dan Campbell or anything, but a little bit more aggressiveness would be nice. Joan tweeting in, so he's calling the plays not Kaylee. I think Kaylee is under instructions to some extent from D'Amico Ryans. I don't know how, look, I don't know this for a fact. but if we if we just let's just look at the the evidence the evidence is a lot of times bobby slowick was trying to establish the run more than we wanted to see and a lot of times nick cayley had been trying to establish the run and play conservative more than we wanted to see now is that instructions from your head coach how i want to win or is it just happened so that the two back-to-back offensive coordinators are are not necessarily turning the ball loose and also haven't necessarily had the opportunity because the offensive line isn't very good.
Starting point is 00:43:44 All right. 713-212-5-790 is the phone number if you want to get in 7-13-212-5-7-90. We're going to go ahead and take a quick top of the hour break. When we come back, we have some interesting Lane Kiffin audio to get to. We got three of you on hold. I promise we will get to you as well. We got gut feelings coming up at 1130.
Starting point is 00:44:05 We are humming along on all cylinders. It is the Matt Thomas show. with Ross without Matt Thomas. But before we do get to that top of the hour break, this is the Matt Thomas show with Ross. We're out talking about to watch. Hour number two of the Matt Thomas show with Ross. Without Matt Thomas, he is out traveling with the rockets, or I think he is back.
Starting point is 00:44:36 Anyways, Chris Gordy is here in his seat. I am here, Ross v. Real, with you until 2 o'clock. We got gut feelings coming up at 1130. We got you folks on the phone lines at 713. 212-5-790. 7-13-212-5-7-90. So Chris Gordy, we know, Mr. SEC, Mr. LSU football. A couple of days removed from the...
Starting point is 00:45:02 Well, I don't want to go full Mark Berman on you. What are your emotions? As you went through this whole, just from your fan perspective of Lane Kiffin, who right or wrong, we'll see the future will bear it out, the crown jewel of this coaching carousel at an SEC program going to the playoff, ends up with LSU, and of course a lot of different layers of this that we can get into. But just how you felt throughout this, did you really want Lane Kiffin? Are you happy, ecstatic over the moon about Lane Kiffin? Now LSU head coach.
Starting point is 00:45:39 Well, hang on, let me just give you some quick news. It just broke. Vanderbilt has just flipped the number three player in the country, one of the top quarterback. So U of H has got the top player in the country, the number one quarterback, the number two quarterback. Jared Curtis, just flipped his commitment from Georgia to Vanderbilt. From Georgia? That's significant because this is going to be the heir apparent to Diego Pavia,
Starting point is 00:46:00 who if you're following the Vegas odds this morning just became the Heisman favorite. now here's the problem with pavia he doesn't play this weekend the number two and number three guys do Ohio State plays Indiana Fernando Mendoza versus Julian saying whoever wins that game I feel like is going to jump over pavia for the Heisman favorite but still pretty cool that Vanderbilt football is relevant on the national stage at 10 and 2 has the is currently the favorite for the heisman and just flip the number three player in the country to come play for them that's crazy but anyway that's that's the state of college football is right now. A few things. I do locked on SEC
Starting point is 00:46:37 and I cover the SEC landscape as a whole. I did go to LSU. I am somewhat of an LSU fan, but I do, I take a step back and I call it like I see it. I'm fair. I mean, look, I admit Brian Kelly failed. I mean, it's when they fail, you know, you have
Starting point is 00:46:54 to talk about it and admit it. But from a perspective of, I have to, and I keep having to ask Ole Miss fans this all week, take your fandom out. of it. Is LSU an upgrade over the Ole Miss job? Of course. If you're being unbiased,
Starting point is 00:47:10 it absolutely hands down is. So from that perspective, Lane Kiffin, I think, looked at and said, all my mentors all told me to go here. Pete Carroll told him, Nick Saban told him, Nick Saban won a championship there. And then when you look at the two
Starting point is 00:47:26 buffoons that Les Miles and at Ogeron were and they both won national championships there, it's just easier to win championship. The path is there. You still got to put in the work. Things have to align. You're not guaranteed. Look, I thought Brian Kelly was going to do it. He didn't put in the work. That was the problem. Brian Kelly came down and thought he's just going to, oh, name and reputation alone. No, you've got to have the right coaching staff. You got to have everything right. Belaine's still hungry. He's 50. I think he's going to work there. Now, it is much harder to win a championship now. Yes. You know, before it used to be in the less miles days, it was win the SEC and you're in the BCS championship. It was that easy. That's kind of one of the reasons I don't know. I mean, Ed O'Jron won a four-team playoff, but... Yeah, but he also had the great... Look, that team would have won a 12-day playoff.
Starting point is 00:48:11 I know you're going to get mad at me for saying this. The Nick Saban title was split, correct, with USC? I know, I know, AP. That was a split one. But they did win the BCS game. Right. And it was kind of a different era. And all those guys washed out at the school within a couple of years,
Starting point is 00:48:31 and they just weren't very good coaches. Yeah, I'm going to tell you, like, if you want, I'll give you the Texas perspective. Mac Brown wasn't some coaching genius. You got a bunch of five-star players, and you look at, there were like 11 or 12 NFL players on that 2005 team, and they won the championship. And then, like you said, Ed Ogeron, that 2019 LSU team is just littered with NFL players all over the place. But I was just curious in this day and age, because as you just said, Vanderbilt just flipped a number three recruit. Kirk Cignetti just signed a huge deal to stay for the Indiana Hoosiers. The Vanderbilt coach just got a big deal to stay there.
Starting point is 00:49:10 Like these coaches aren't are kind of flipping conventions on its head in this NIL era. That's why I was curious to see. Like LSU, the old world, like 10 years ago, I would have said absolutely makes 100% sense. And I'm not saying it doesn't make sense either now because LSU is the better. job. LSU is the bigger job and the better recruiting base and just prestige and all that stuff. But
Starting point is 00:49:37 to make the small incremental step up, I was a little bit surprised, but not going to say that I was totally surprised. I will say this, because I was diving into the numbers. So the last four years, Lane Kiffin at Ole Miss, they called him the Portal King.
Starting point is 00:49:55 Why did they call him the Portal King? Because for the last four years at Ole Miss, he has had a top five portal class. Now, why did he have top five portal classes? Because it's hard to recruit to Oxford. I went back and looked. All of his recruiting classes the last four years have all ranked in the 20s, with the exception of one, it was 16th. He can't even sniff the top 10 in recruiting. Guess what LSU has done consistently year and year out. They're top 12. Most of the year's top 10, some years top five in recruiting. Louisiana, you don't really compete with anybody,
Starting point is 00:50:26 you don't compete with anybody else in state. If you're at Alabama, you're compete with Auburn. state. If you're Texas, you're competing with Texas A&M, Baylor, Texas Tech, all these schools in state. Now, obviously, Texas is a much bigger state. But Louisiana, per capita, the amount of NFL talent or great college players they put out, it's just ridiculous. It's Georgia, Mississippi, and Louisiana per capita put out ridiculous elite talent. So if he could put up that wall, put it this way. LSU has already committed to him, $25 million in revenue share and NIL and all that to go buy portal classes. So let's say he continues putting together top five portal classes and will now have top
Starting point is 00:51:06 10 recruiting classes. Is he going to have money to do both of those things? They've committed to it. I mean, I would be a little bit surprised. And you are competing with, I mean, there are LSU, I mean, Louisiana recruits who go to Alabama, go to Texas, go other places. There are, but I even looked at the numbers. Brian Kelly, in this class alone, eight of the top 10 players in the state of Louisiana are going to LSU.
Starting point is 00:51:26 Okay. So if you keep putting that proverbial fence up. Okay, and see, that's what I'm kind of also wondering. Brian Kelly, it's been a bunch of top 10 recruiting classes with Brian Kelly. That's the difference. Okay, so he needs to be both. Lane is every year had ridiculous offenses and ridiculous quarterback play. He took a Ferris State Division 2 quarterback this year and made him a stud.
Starting point is 00:51:48 Jackson Dart, Matt Corral, he's always had guys. I'm just not convinced. I've seen, I'm just not because I haven't seen it before from Lane. seeing Lane Kivens' offenses be the best in the country? Yeah, they've been good. They've been great. They have been. Yeah, when he had a bunch of players at Alabama, Steve Sarkisian won a championship at Alabama, too. The last six years at Ole Miss, he's had great offenses.
Starting point is 00:52:10 They just haven't been great. I just haven't been super impressed. I think you haven't watched them enough. Okay, maybe I haven't. You're right. I'm not, I'm not, you're right. I'm not breaking down Ole Miss tape every single week. I'm going to give you that. Exactly. That's why. That's another reason why he's going, look, he was bitching about the fans and not coming to the, you know, they were undefeated and they were playing a cupcake and he was bitching because the fans weren't
Starting point is 00:52:32 there. It's like, guys, this is the golden age of Ole Miss football. You guys can't even come out and support us. And my buddy Matt Mascone pointed this out. A few weeks ago when Ole Miss played Florida, they set a record for the most fans in attendance at whatever their stadium is, Vaude Hemingway. They had the most set the fan attendance, record attendance. They've never had that many fans at a game before. That same day, at 11 a.m., LSU played two and seven Arkansas. LSU was what, five and four or whatever, or whatever they want. They had more fans at the LSU game than Ole Miss did in their record-setting attendance. It's a bigger brand.
Starting point is 00:53:10 It's a bigger, fan support, more money. I just got a bad, I can't really put my finger on this. I just got a feeling that this is just not going to work out. It didn't work out at Tennessee. It didn't work out at USC. He had a great year in Tennessee. and he left. Teddy stayed there. He would have built something. No, he was
Starting point is 00:53:28 better than that at Tennessee. I have it right in front of me. Seven and six, the great year at Tennessee, lost the Chick-fil-A ball. I don't know if he was there for that. So seven and six at Tennessee, and then four years at USC. Now maybe he's older, he's more mature, whatever. You're also going back, like, what, almost 20
Starting point is 00:53:44 years? Yeah, or not. Well, exactly. We've got 20 years of sample size. The guy's only won the CUSA. So that's what I'm saying. What's he's done the last decade? He's been good. with zero top 10 finishes. Okay, but you're angling it to make your point. What if I said it this way?
Starting point is 00:54:01 Ole Miss has never had back to back to back 10 win seasons. Like, that's the great, this was the greatest run Ole Miss has had since 1960. That's good. So if you did that Ole Miss. They also had, they also didn't play 12, 13 games back then either. It still is
Starting point is 00:54:16 the run, they've net like 32 wins in three years. Who else has done that? I don't know. Not many like very few. What? I'm just telling you, I know, you're going to stump for your guy. I'm not stump it. I'm literally taking my fandom out of the equation and just telling you what he has done. I'm telling you, okay.
Starting point is 00:54:34 Now, if you want to question loyalty, will he be there four years or now? That's what I'm saying. That's the question. But do you really think he's not going to succeed at LSU? I don't think to the level. Now, this is, it's unfortunate that we have to hold the standard of if it's not a national championship. I know. I say make the playoff. He can make the playoff. Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:54:53 And they said consistently to make the pluff. 10 and 2 and the SEC get you in. As long as you played a competitive enough schedule and you will play a competitor schedule. Or you can have the SEC schedule bounce your way like the Texas A&Maggies. It can happen. So, I mean, he can and I think it's, I don't want to be a hypocrite because I think it's an unfair standard to say win a national championship or you're a failure because there's two. Well, that's the SAC standard. I know. Exactly. Exactly. It's ridiculous.
Starting point is 00:55:19 And we had Matt Thomas and I were arguing he was saying, oh, it's a massive failure. if he doesn't like is this year a massive failure for sark i would say no but if you get four years of this it's a massive failure it's just so it's too difficult here's the other thing that's very intriguing for for lane kiff and how they built this contract yes they're paying him 13 million to make him the highest paid coach but they have sweetened the pot in this deal where he gets tons more if he wins a national championship and so while you say okay yeah that's great like other coaches get that too they've put even extra like escalators in here and all this stuff like he's Again, his incentive is to, I need to win a national championship.
Starting point is 00:55:56 Yeah, that's his incentive no matter what. I mean, he wants to be great. I'm not doubting that Lane Kiffin wants to be great. And maybe he has matured. I think Brian Kelly was fine not being great. I mean, you can win in Tennessee. He didn't. You can win at USC.
Starting point is 00:56:07 He didn't. And then now he's forever ago. I know, I know. That's like saying, you know. It's even harder now. It's even harder now. It is. But USC had more advantages before than they do now.
Starting point is 00:56:18 I'll give you a list for me the coaches who are better than Lane Kiffin in college football right now. George Kirby, Steve Sarkisian, Mike Elko. I'm just kidding. Somebody put Mike Elko on their list, by the way. See, that's Jerry still out on him. Kurt Signetti, Ryan Day. You don't think Jerry's still out on Kurtzeg. Be real, though.
Starting point is 00:56:37 I want you to be honest. What is Lane Kiffin done that Kirk Signty has not? He's had more consistency of top of 10-win seasons. Signetti got on the scene last year. Cignetti's going to a conference championship game. How many conference championship games did Lane go to? Well, because he lost the tie. Breakers. I mean, it's to Georgia and Alabama.
Starting point is 00:56:55 You asked me a question I'm answering. Had Auburn beat Alabama the other night, he'd be in the SEC Championship right now. So it's, you know, he's right there. I just don't think he is some wonderkind who is going to say he's 50 years old. His offensive mind is, he changed the game with his offense. Yeah, I heard the same thing about Steve
Starting point is 00:57:11 Sarkisian. It's hard, baby. I'm just saying I'll have a gut feeling about it. Aren't the offensive looking better now? They are looking better. Well, yeah, when they were barely beating Kentucky. I'm just saying he's doing that with the number one quarterback in the country. Look what Lane just did with a Ferris State Division 2 quarterback in Trinidad Chamblis. Hey, Art had a hurt shoulder or something. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:57:30 He was terrible. He's a lot better now. He's a lot better now. He was looking good against the Mackey's, baby. All right, we're going to take quick break. 713-212-5-790 is the phone number. Roger, we see you on hold. We'll get to you. We've got gut feelings coming up at 1130. 7-13-212-5-790. It is the Matt Thomas show with Ross. Without Matt Thomas, with you till 2. Alabama and South Florida moving their game next year to 2032. The Crimson Tide has replaced USF with Chattanooga. Wait, say that again?
Starting point is 00:58:08 USF and Alabama are supposed to play next year. They moved the game to 2032, and Alabama is replacing them with Chattanooga. Yeah, because I think the message is being sent loud and clear by this dumb-ass selection committee that they just go, 11 and 1 or 10 and 2, you're in the playoff. Doesn't matter who you play. So I think collectively everybody's going, why are we going to challenge ourselves in the non-conference? I get it, but.
Starting point is 00:58:33 It should be three cupcakes, and let's just coast because the committee has shown no, again, they need to be more, if we're going to have a stupid committee, they need to be more like the college basketball committee where they look at the whole resume, where we do quad one wins and quad two wins. and a quad one loss is you get points for a quad one loss. I would like some sort of computer element, like when the BCS would have not all computers, but some sort of computer unbiased element because I do think, I'll tell you right now, Longhorns get a benefit.
Starting point is 00:59:07 They were number one in the preseason poll, and it's like, why? They get a benefit for the brand and the prestige they are, right or wrong. I know many will call it wrong, and that's fine. But you bring in these human biases, and whatever it be, Michigan, Ohio, or whatever. It's like, oh, you know, Michigan, like Alabama loses the Florida State, it's, oh, you poor baby. But if some other team lost to a bad Florida State team, it's like the worst thing that ever happened. So you do have these human biases that I think they should get, if not completely get rid of, mitigate to where it isn't, to where you do
Starting point is 00:59:39 have some kind of guidance. Like when the selection committee uses what you were talking about, RPI or whatever kind of data, the net ratings and stuff like that. Somebody said, if we went back, like, we, we, we've been. she complained about the computers and yet the computers you know what they're saying right now they're giving tech they're putting texas in because of their resume wins that's what it should be about it should be about resume wins everybody wants the heartpoint you lost to florida you know what nobody's saying about alabama you lost the florida state yeah that's what's the loss is just as bad as as the the worst loss of texas and yet texas has three top 10 wins better than some of these
Starting point is 01:00:15 other idiot teams were put up there like miami and notre dame that just get in because oh they're turning two they should get in yeah it'll be interesting to see how it shakes out um i would like to see texas in for personal bias reasons and because i quite frankly i think they're one of the ten best teams in the country they just are they've got three top ten wins that i think that should qualify you but we'll we'll see what happens uh and i mean are we're still going to be talking about this i guess when it expands the 16 it becomes lesser right when we're talking about the teams that when we're talking about five and six not getting in it's a huge deal deal. It's a lesser deal when it's 13, 14, and I think it'll be even less.
Starting point is 01:00:54 It's going to expand to 16. Let's just be honest. There's just more money. There's too much money. And in all actuality, you should probably be going backwards to eight. I like 12, but I don't like the automatic bids. I would say, take the top 12 in whatever order they happen to be in. That's what I said. Last year, Boise State. If it's 12 best teams, it's 12 best teams. One through 12 is the best 12. Boise State was a top 12 last year, so they earned their spot. You're in. You don't know automatic But they won't do that because it's, we got to play fair. We got to let the conference champions.
Starting point is 01:01:24 We have to have the little guy get in and get their ass want. And my thing is, if the conference champion of the ACC sucks and has four or five losses, you don't deserve to get in. It doesn't matter if you're a conference champion. Yeah, if you're a four or five lost team and you upset somebody, didn't it happen last year? It was Clemson and somebody else, SMU or whatever it was. Well, Duke is playing for the ACC title.
Starting point is 01:01:46 Yeah, so Duke could pull an upset. Yeah. And get in the playoffs. Not all conferences, not all schedules are created equal. Not all conferences are created equal. There are some years that there's a conference that just sucks ass. And this year, that's the ACC. Top 12 teams, regardless of conference, regardless of affiliation, regardless of championship, top 12 teams.
Starting point is 01:02:03 But you know why? They won't do that because there's going to be years where there's five or six SEC teams in. And they're going to go, that's not fair. Well, are they the best teams, are they not? Right. Like, it's not subjective. One through 12 is one through 12. 713-212.5.790 is the phone number.
Starting point is 01:02:17 We have gut feelings coming up. Momentarily, Roger is holding longest and holding patiently. What's up, Roger? What's up, Roger? So just real quick on the game last night. I get it. A lot of elements working the wrong way for us. I think that we excel in.
Starting point is 01:02:36 Utah Jazz turned them around on us and just use them against us. That's kind of a weird bizarre world that happened yesterday. The thing is, you know, the game, I guess you could see them gut out just because they're so talented. and you still do something for your team like that. You know, pisses you off. Even though it's early in the season, I get it. Okay, moving on to the Texan.
Starting point is 01:02:58 Yeah, man, this is the time where, you know, you've waited for this. This is the most vulnerable moment. Vodible time for the Chiefs or ever be. They've got a messed up offensive line. I mean, you can see, I could already see Mahomes stabbing for his life and doing those pump fakes
Starting point is 01:03:14 and trying to get us to, you know, create penalties and stuff like that. And I think that he can't reach into that big bag of tricks. And at the risk of not getting our tons of tickled, I just really just like to see us just, you know, put the dagger in them and make them go betty by for the season. And that's really it. As far as you, you know, you want to, you know, go to the playoffs.
Starting point is 01:03:38 Don't lose three games. Don't schedule all the conference games like Ohio State. What about the wins, though, Roger? That's the thing. Like, we keep, we jump to the losses. The wins are great. The wins are favorite. The wins are awesome.
Starting point is 01:03:51 But because y'all are on teeter on going in or out, it should have just, I mean, what happens right now? What about Notre Dame, Roger? If you're in. What about Notre Dame? What about Notre Dame? Who's 10 and 2? No reason.
Starting point is 01:04:05 Okay, well, that's what I'm saying. 10 and 2 has played two good teams. They lost the both, but they have no good wins. So that's why I say, like, we have to talk about wins. Who are your good wins? Texas has three remarkable wins. You're preaching to the choir. It just, they didn't do any favor
Starting point is 01:04:20 to an auto-profit schedules because if you go right now and Tentis is 10-2, it's over with. You're in. But that's stupid then. You're telling me, had they played Rice Week 1 instead of Ohio State, they'd be in.
Starting point is 01:04:32 So what, again, like, so you're not giving them credit for scheduling number one, Ohio State, on the road? I mean, but it hurt them. It hurt them. But that's stupid. It shouldn't hurt them, then you're telling me, we're going to get rid of all those good
Starting point is 01:04:46 non-conference week one games because it's coming back to hurt you. I mean, I'm not the one judging and doing all the... Well, get ready for more Texas versus Rice, Texas versus Charlotte, Texas versus Sam Houston. We're going to get more of those. Because you're telling me that you can't give them the... In other words, in the NCAA tournament, we do it. Oh, you lost the Duke?
Starting point is 01:05:07 Who did U of H just lose to? Tennessee? Come Selection Sunday, they're going to go, hey, that was a great win for Tennessee, but a good loss for U of H. We do it in basketball. Why are we not doing football? Why are you asking me this? I don't know.
Starting point is 01:05:22 I'll just let you know. Don't schedule a hard out of conference games. Right, exactly. I want you all in the playoffs. No, we need the past. You cheese money. Come on. All right, guys.
Starting point is 01:05:34 Have a good. All right. Thank you, Roger. Appreciate it. We went to the Sesame Street of college football playoff committees. 11 is bigger than 10. Oh, okay. So we're just, if you win your games, you get in?
Starting point is 01:05:44 Oh, that's, man, we need a committee. need to do this? We could just do this on a computer. As an unbiased observer, you're making a lot of good points, Gordon. Yes, thank you. It looks like I get paid to do this. I don't think they're going to make it. There's just no way. No, they're not because we have idiots.
Starting point is 01:06:03 It's sitting in a ballroom in Dallas. Hunter Eurocheck who got thrown into the mix. They need to bring computers back into the mix as well, I think, at some point, but whatever, it is what it is. By the way, Hunter Eurocheck should be a vote for Texas. He just watched his hogs get their ass beat by Texas two weeks ago.
Starting point is 01:06:19 That's true. I forgot he was there. He's the head of the selection committee now. Which coach did they? I forgot he was in Arkansas is what I'm saying. Which coach did they hire? Who? Arkansas.
Starting point is 01:06:32 The Memphis coach. Ryan Silverfield. How are we feeling about that? They hated Arkansas. They were having a protest scheduled to protest the hiring. I feel bad for the guy. Like what the Aggies were doing with Mark Stoops? Yep.
Starting point is 01:06:45 That worked for that. It did work for that. Got Mike Elko and now Mark Stoops gets fired at Kentucky. All right. We're going to take a quick break here on the Matt Thomas show with Ross. Chris Gordy's hanging out. I got some gut feelings coming up about your Houston Texans and the committee and college football and more. You want to get in with your gut.
Starting point is 01:07:04 Not necessarily a hardline prediction. Just something you feel in your gut. 713-212-5-7-90. 7-1-3-212-5-7. We'll review the gut feelings of last week as well and get in your new predictions. We also have the news at noon coming up at 12 o'clock and your gut feelings next at 713-212-5-790. Listen up girls and boys. They've been so appealing.
Starting point is 01:07:32 Because Ross and Matt Thomas. Yo, they got a good feeling. This is their gut feeling on the Matt Thomas show. let's go I gotta be on I think this is short list one of my favorite segments
Starting point is 01:07:54 of the week because we write down what we say and then we get to come back and make fun of each other or declare ourselves geniuses when we don't really know anything I feel good coming back to these
Starting point is 01:08:04 oh okay you shouldn't feel that great reading a way half I'm saying in general I was gonna say this week's not the best let me careful for you all right good gut feelings
Starting point is 01:08:16 you want to get in, 713, 212-5-790 is the phone number, 7-1-3-212-5-790. I'm stalling for Chris Gordy to come back because I found a gut. The last time he was on gut feelings, Jonathan, when did you start working here? I started working, starting working at Sports Talk 790 in March, but in my heart in November. So you were here for these, the Gordy made some gut feelings on April 15th that I think are going to be funny to go back and look at. So we'll bring those. I'm trying to stall till he comes back. I don't know if he went to go, God knows what.
Starting point is 01:08:49 He's very busy. He's a busy man. Yeah, he's a busy man. I appreciate him making time for us here on this show. So you want to get in, you can 713-212-5-7-90. You can also send me some tweets to at SportsRV if you'd like to get in that way. Also, I would appreciate a follow on my Instagram at SportsRV as well. We're trying to build that up, folks.
Starting point is 01:09:08 So go ahead and check that out. Fine, we'll go ahead and review from last week, and then we will go from there. Last week, let's see, hold on I screwed up on my document. Matt Thomas said Jake Myers will no longer be an astro by next week. That is an L. Jake Myers is still an astro, but I think he's going to be dealt. Yeah, apparently Ken Rosenthal has talked about him being linked with maybe the Diamondbacks or some other, I can't remember what the other team was.
Starting point is 01:09:39 But Ken Rosenthal is floating out about Jake Myers being available in trade. Ken Rosenthal's been right along with Chandler Rome on a lot of astro stuff. So people in the athletic generally very in tune with what's going on with the Astros and also floating out that he's involved in a couple of places. Maybe drumming up some market. Who knows? I don't know. But Jake Myers could be traded, but he was not traded this week.
Starting point is 01:10:05 So that's an L for Matt Thomas. He says the Cougars beat Baylor by 10 plus. They won. but I don't think it was by 10 plus. I thought what was this by one score? Was it the, I don't know. I got to take it. Because I'm not, I was out of town.
Starting point is 01:10:22 I'm going to use that excuse. And I'm not that in tune in Big 12. I were talking about you, Vitch. Yeah, it was 3124. 31.24, okay. So one score, not by tens. That's another L for Matthew. He said the Chiefs would beat the Cowboys on Thanksgiving Day.
Starting point is 01:10:36 Jonathan, go ahead. How did that go? Probably should have won that game. You know what? Just to say, I won $85. is rooting against the chief. Oh, there you go. All right, that's big money.
Starting point is 01:10:48 Let's go. He also had Jonathan Taylor under 100 yards against the Texans. That's a win. And then he said Justin Verlander will be a Houston Astro. I think he piggybacked. I think I said that.
Starting point is 01:10:59 And he piggybacked me, but that's okay. So a lot of L's there. I said the Texans would pull the upset against the Indianapolis cults. And they did. I also said, give me another one.
Starting point is 01:11:13 Because here it comes. I said the Texas long horns would upset the Aggies. And they did. I said the Texans would win 26 to 22. They won 20 to 16. I also said Justin Verlin will be an Asher. We'll see. I also said Wednesday night against the Warriors,
Starting point is 01:11:32 there will be a flagrant review for Draymond Green. I should have put Draymond Green or Min Thompson, because I think there was an Amin Thompson review, but not a Draymond Green one. Did you see the commercial that? had dropped Draymond's, it's like Santa Claus. Was he like elbowing people? No, he like tells, sorry, Draymond, not this year.
Starting point is 01:11:49 It's kind of funny. No, I didn't see that. Something on the list. Oh, okay. I thought it was Draymond as Santa and he's drop-kicking kids. That would be more accurate. All right, anyways, Jonathan, you said Archmanning would throw two picks. Guess what?
Starting point is 01:12:03 Stuck up, you know what? I'll give credit. Zero. But he was nice. He looked real good. Yeah. Now, he chucked the ball 50 yards down the field like 100 times. that's something I would like to get coached out of him.
Starting point is 01:12:14 He throws it down field when there's wide open guys down underneath. But anyways, you also said the Aggies would win. Go ahead. Go ahead. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, you took the Aggies in Austin? I could have talked you out of that one. Just out of spite.
Starting point is 01:12:33 That's my lock of the week. Yeah, see, a troll. I told you it was my lock at a week, Colts and the long ones. I got them on a two-game palet. money line. How rocking was that place? Oh, it was great. I would say the 22 Alabama game was louder because I don't know why. It was
Starting point is 01:12:49 maybe just because it was so close the whole time. Yeah, you should have won that game. But that was close. And they lost that game. Will Anderson Jr. came up big of that game. Quinn-Juers got hurt in that game. He got cheap-shoted. Was it Will it Anderson? Or Dall Stradner? It was one of them. Who had to come in card? Now I'm upset.
Starting point is 01:13:05 What was the quarterback that came in? I was sweating in that game. It was hot. Is that Hudson card? I think maybe. Archman and throws two picks, Iguyen, but you also had the Chiefs losing to the Cowboys. Good job. Nice victory there, Jonathan. This feels so good.
Starting point is 01:13:19 All right, so Chris Gordy, I have your gut feelings. The last time I have you registered on gut feelings was April 15th of this year. Oh, this can't be good. It's not bad. You had Warriors winning one of the first two games versus the Rockets, which I believe they did. Yeah, they did, yeah. So we're going back to playoff times.
Starting point is 01:13:36 And you also had the NFL draft. You had the Titans trading out of the number one pick. Oh, wow. They took Cam Ward. And this is an interesting one. How are you feeling? You said Cam Ward will be a bust relative to the number one overall selection.
Starting point is 01:13:52 I stand by that one. Okay. This had some good throws this year, but I mean, that team, I mean, if we're keeping it a buck, that team is ass. Yeah. All right, so TBD on that one. All right, gut feelings this week. Chris Gordy, the floor is yours. man
Starting point is 01:14:11 I will go with a gut feeling as much as I want to see my guy Diego Pavia win the Heisman I will say the winner of the Big Ten championship this weekend will be the Heisman trophy winner whether it's Julian San on the Ohio
Starting point is 01:14:25 State side or Fernando Mendoza on the Indiana Fernando Mendoza because here's I'm rooting for that guy Here's a tough part about conference championship weekend is the teams that aren't playing
Starting point is 01:14:36 and by the way went through the same thing a couple years ago Jaden Daniels had such a phenomenal season at LSU, but he was sitting idle this weekend. And I forget who it was, Alabama, Georgia. There were some other guys in the running, but I think Alabama was so bad.
Starting point is 01:14:51 Like whoever was in the running that weekend were so bad, oh, Bo Nix. He was at Oregon. He looked so bad that they're like, eh, you know what? I think it's still Jaden Daniels. But I feel like this Big Ten championship because it's one versus two, Sayan versus Mendoza, whoever wins
Starting point is 01:15:07 as long as they don't completely crap the bed, I think the winner of that game is going to now be the highest one family. Yeah, two good defenses. So maybe maybe it could be a low scoring affair. Total is 48 and a half, which is kind of low for a college football game. All right, Jonathan, you got a gut feeling?
Starting point is 01:15:23 I want to say Hoosers upset. Ooh. The Buckeyes and the Big Ten Tensers. Upset. The Ohio State Luckeyes. Okay. I like that. I just had the spread. I just had that game open. Let me go back. I don't know what the spread is.
Starting point is 01:15:39 in that game. 4.5 Ohio State. So that wouldn't be the biggest upset ever. I will go with Georgia easily covers the 2.5 against Alabama. What's up? Say it again?
Starting point is 01:15:56 Georgia covers the 2.5 versus Bama easily, easily. Yeah. By like, I'm not... Bama Zolons not been playing. I want to say easily. Like, it's three like they win by seven, you know? Something like that. Seven to ten. Do you know what they're
Starting point is 01:16:09 record is. Kirby's record against Alabama though, he's like 1 in 8? How many of those losses were against a guy named Nick Saban? Okay, but he's 0 and 2 against DeBore. He lost this year and last year I believe. I believe they're going to come. All right. It's just something about that crimson when Kirby Smart sees that crimson
Starting point is 01:16:25 on the other side. He starts shaking. He goes, oh my God. No, he's ready. He's ready to come through. You heard of here first. George is able to get the job done. Texas Tech, that's too easy. Who cares? Duke in Virginia. I'm going to be honest.
Starting point is 01:16:41 My gut feeling is fluctuating on the Texans, so I want to hold off on that. I want to say they're going to go up there and pull off the upset. You know what? You know what? Texans pull off the upset. Sunday night at Arrowhead. Oh, God, that sounds so stupid.
Starting point is 01:16:58 Texans pull off the upset. No, it doesn't? The Chiefs aren't that guys. Ross and Matt, you guys, you too, the fear of Mahomes and the Chiefs are no more. Okay. All right. They're a normal average.
Starting point is 01:17:09 Sunday night at Arrowhead Stadium against Pat Mahomes, Andy Reid, and the Chiefs. With this offensive line against that Chiefs offensive line. Steve Spagnolo murders the Texans. That's the only thing that's giving me pause. That's the past. We got to move forward. All right. I'm going to go with the, they pull off the upset.
Starting point is 01:17:33 All right. And then one more. You're not going to like this, Gory. Lane Kiffin leaves LSU in unfavorable circumstances within four years. So he leaves on his own?
Starting point is 01:17:55 Like, he's not fired. I'm saying unfavorable. Fired would be unfavorable. Quitting and leaving to the NFL and like, I don't know, that's unfavorable. But he could also be successfully for the NFL. So it's... That's what I'm saying, unfavorable. But is the NFL interested him if he's failing?
Starting point is 01:18:11 I don't know. Al Davis was interested in him and he hadn't done Jack, but that was Al Davis, who was senile at the time. I'm just saying, I just got a gut feeling. I said, just a gut feeling this ain't going to end right. Within four years, Lane Kiffin leaves LSU in unfavorable circumstances. I don't know if to, I mean, NCAA doesn't care about anything. Are they infracting anything these days?
Starting point is 01:18:37 after his rehabilitation with Nick Saban at Alabama. He has been sober for five years. Well, but I'm saying like his football rehabilitation where he brought an influx of great offense. Remember when Saban hired him like, this is so out of the box for Saban. What is he thinking? They're oil and water.
Starting point is 01:18:54 But it was when the game changed. And he brought a top offense to Alabama and they won championships with it. And then he went to F-AU won two conference championships there. Huge Conference USA championship. got an Ole Miss and it's been up, up and up every year. I just don't see how he's just going to suddenly fall flat on his fit. I think he can
Starting point is 01:19:13 stay stable and there'll be 9 and 10 wins seasons in LSU. I'm not saying he's going 5 and 7. Okay. But Brian Kelly went what, 10 wins, 10 wins, 9 wins, 5 and 3 and got fired, right? No, it was less than that. By the way, we got, something we have to stop doing
Starting point is 01:19:31 is counting the bowl win as a 10th win. Because you go 9 and 3. Hold on. You were using That's not from Lee Kiffin talking about him winning 10 games. No, those are regular season wins, right now. He's 11 and 1 right now he is. I'm talking about before. Let's see.
Starting point is 01:19:45 10 and 4, Brian Kelly, 10 and 3, Brian Kelly, 9 and 4, 5 and 3 fired. And in those years, you had the worst defense you've ever had in the history of LSU. That's tough. You had a Heisman trophy winner combined with the worst defense you've ever had in the history of the school. And you're going to be going up against Bama, Georgia, Texas. Oklahoma, A&M. This year you came in preseason, what was the LSU? Top five?
Starting point is 01:20:12 Last year they won 10 games thanks to a bowl win, did Ole Miss. The year before they did win 11 games, and this year they have won 11 games. So do you think Brian Kelly was unjustly fired then? I didn't say that. I don't know. I didn't say that. I wasn't around the state. Now, if he was an A-hole and he was
Starting point is 01:20:28 treating everybody poorly and nobody liked him, well, it wasn't just that. Like I said, it was relative to expectations. If the expectation, he was saying championship. He said after their bowl win, save those receipts, we're coming for the championship. And it's like, okay, bro. Yeah, well. You can't make those expectations.
Starting point is 01:20:46 At least your school didn't make a championship trophy for your coach. That's why. I admire Hugh Freeze. What was he saying? At his golf derby over the summer, he goes, yeah, everybody knows the goal at Auburns to make a bowl game. They're like, wait a minute, excuse me, what? You move the goal post. Like, I love that.
Starting point is 01:21:03 I'm like, that's great. On the golf course, Hugh Freeze. You don't say. I love if Sark would do that. I'm just saying. Look, next year, the goal is to make a bowl game, you know? You can come to me in four years. It's a gut feeling.
Starting point is 01:21:14 I just got a gut feeling. I can be wrong. I'm wrong on gut feelings all the time. You know what? Put me down for a gut feeling. Oh, here we go. Sark is gone in the next four years because he fails to make the playoff the next two years. That could happen.
Starting point is 01:21:29 I'm telling you, they're churning out these coaches every two years. The hot name, Brian Kelly is the hottest coach. and he's gone. James Franklin Great Hot Coach, semifinals in the playoffs, and he's gone. The carousel is spinning faster and faster and faster. It is building momentum.
Starting point is 01:21:47 And if Sark has gone in four years, I'm going to tell you right now, that would not shock me. I'm just saying, I got a bad feeling about this. All right, we're going to take a break. You've got a gut feeling you can still get it. 713-212-5-790 is the phone number.
Starting point is 01:22:01 7-13-212-5-7-90. Ross Villarreal, Chris Gordy, Jonathan Allen with you. More gut feelings, if you'd like, coming up in just a second. Coaching genius, Joey McGuire, on the Pat McAfee show right now. I almost went with a... I like that team, man. Like, I almost want to go with a lot. The Texas Tech makes the semis.
Starting point is 01:22:31 I think they make the Final Four. I don't know if they get past that, but... It's just... funny to me that's like Joe McGuire, who's this guy? And then they spend $50 million on NIL all of a sudden he's the coach of a top five team. A couple years ago, he was here and he did the coaches thing with what Keith, Neil Farmer and those guys, and right down the road here. And he, I remember his quote that day. They were like, because the defense was so bad. And he was like, guys, I'm telling you right now, we're spending a crap ton of money
Starting point is 01:23:00 on defense. So it's going to, it's going to get better. Trust me. much and this is just a conversation i guess we we will never get the true answers to we can kind of just debate this how much is it going to matter who the coach is because as i just said i was making a joke joey mcguire nobody thought of him as this like hot super great awesome coach and then you get a diffusion of a bunch of a bunch of great talent for the texas tech red raiders and all of a sudden he's a top five team. Last year, people wanted Mike Elko fired. And actually, this last week, if you look at some of the, some of the, I love that,
Starting point is 01:23:44 you like that Twitter account message board geniuses? Those guys are hilarious. Yeah. Like, there are Aggies fans who want Mike Elko fired right now after that loss. Now be careful. There were people on there a week ago saying they wanted sark fired. Yeah, absolutely. People wanting sark fired.
Starting point is 01:23:59 I'm not, see, I'm not trying to throw stones. I'm saying this is everywhere. This coaching ecosystem makes me laugh so much. Or not even a firing, but they were like, I think those boosters are going to push sharp to take the Titans job. And you know what? If he does, whatever. The point that I'm making is it's like,
Starting point is 01:24:15 if you get a coach of some level of competency, and you were bringing this up talking about Ed Ogeron winning a championship, and Les Miles winning a championship, I mean, especially at the college level, I'll even throw, we'll go Longhorn well again. Mac Brown wasn't some coaching genius. Brown didn't reinvent the wheel offensively. He got a dude named Vince Young
Starting point is 01:24:38 five NFL caliber offensive linemen and some pretty good running backs and then a defense that was littered with NFL players and they won a championship. So I think to me as long as you have a coach of a certain level of competency, you need players and you need some good luck too. I mean, you've got to get lucky in some of these games
Starting point is 01:25:01 where you're down, it's not your day, and you come back. Longhorns, I know Longhorns got yelled at me yesterday. Like, they got lucky in that Mississippi State game. I don't know how you could watch that and not say they didn't. But the Aggies got lucky in the South Carolina game. We can point to Georgia, almost lost to Florida. Like, you need some luck. You need some great players and you need a mix of some good coaching as well. The question is, how important is that mix in the years past to where you can infuse your roster with a bunch of talent just by laying down a bunch of cash. That's what I just don't know the answer to, but I'm just thinking out loud.
Starting point is 01:25:39 Can I tell you this? I had somebody tell me that apparently one of the discussions Lane Kiffin had on the decision to go to LSU is that there is a thought with a lot of coaches behind the scenes that I don't know if you follow this whole legal battle going to D.C. and all, but the score act and all this other crap is they think they're going to hard cap all this stuff and bring it all back down. so the Blue Bloods are going to go back to being the Blue Bloods and the Texas Tax and these little ones that have had this huge influx of money, they're going to go, whoa, whoa, whoa, can't do that anymore. There's no way you can hard cap. No, I don't feel like that can stand. That's not constitutional at all.
Starting point is 01:26:13 Well, in other words, saying now that we're doing the revenue share, collectives have to go by-bye. You can't have these groups raising money. That doesn't seem constitutional at all for the rights of players. Tommy Tompervilles or the big ones fighting for this. Yeah, well, again, these young kids getting millions of dollars? What is this? But, I mean, they just keep taking L's in the, in Supreme Court. And I think that would be another L. How can you cap on a young, these young men and women who are... It's not the players.
Starting point is 01:26:41 It's just capping the total you can spend. So right now, Texas Tech, but they made headlines because they had the million-dollar softball pitchers. Capping the spin is capping the players. But in other words, just capping the total what the school can spend. Right. But then that's also that caps the players. Because, I mean, that's why the baseball players don't want a salary cap, because it caps what they can make collectively.
Starting point is 01:27:00 argue you can pay your quarterback up to $25 million. We don't care. It's just you only get $25 million to spend. That just doesn't seem like that's going to hold any water in court long term or doesn't I'll put it this way. I'll put it this way. It doesn't seem like it should hold water in court long term. You never know.
Starting point is 01:27:16 Let me say this. A lot of the coaches are pushing for it. The Kirby smarts, a lot of these guys. Because it's the Wild Wild West out there. Yeah. But I mean, this is just a problem. This is all coming to a head. There's been a problem for years. Ever since, it basically should have turned professional when they got
Starting point is 01:27:32 the infusion of TV money, which was like the 1980s. But back to my point about like coaches, like, weren't there people that wanted Ryan Day fired after they lost to Michigan last year before the playoff even started? And now he's won a national championship and they're 12 at 0 and he's a
Starting point is 01:27:48 God's gift to coaching. It's just funny to me how quickly the worms can turn. He finally beat Michigan and he won a national championship. Yes. Yeah, that works. But people wanted him fired before he even got that opportunity. Yeah. is what I'm saying.
Starting point is 01:28:02 All right. Gary in Spring, I see you on hold. We're going to get to the news at noon. We'll get to you, I promise. Jonathan Allen is here. Chris Gordy is here. Matt Thomas is out. There are two hours in the books of the Matt Thomas show with Ross. You guys can still get in. Phone lines are open. It's been some interesting college football
Starting point is 01:28:18 discussions. I mean, the ecosystem is just insane right now. You guys want to talk about that. We also have been talking about the Texans game coming up against Chiefs on Sunday night. Rockets lose last night to the Utah Jazz. It'll all be a part of the news at noon. Coming up next here on the Matt Thomas show
Starting point is 01:28:33 with Ross here on Sports Talk 790. This is the Matt Thomas show with Ross. Matt Thomas is out traveling with the Houston Rockets or I think he's already back. Maybe he's sleeping in. Maybe he's enjoying a delicious, no, never mind, a disgusting Mick Rib. I don't know. In the meantime, Jonathan Allen is here.
Starting point is 01:29:08 Chris Gordy is ducking out. He has to do some program director duty. So we will have Jonathan Allen bring us the news at noon. A lot of stuff going on for a Tuesday in the middle of December. So this should be an enthralling edition of the news at noon by one Jonathan Allen. we have on the news. Let's start off with Monday Night Football, right? I mean, Patriots dominate the Giants, everybody would think so.
Starting point is 01:29:38 I'm sad. But the main thing I guess everybody's talking about is how Jackson Dart got lit up on going to the sideline. Like, you know how my homes try to do that sneaky stuff, you know, and quarterback's getting protected? Patriots ain't letting us live. Jackson Dart, I think he's a sadist. I think he's into pain.
Starting point is 01:29:57 It's almost like he slows up for these. big hits. Yeah, hit me, baby, one more time. Him and Scataboo are like same cloth, you get what I'm saying? So, he had this to say after everybody was questioning and telling him he needs to protect himself after coming off a concussion protocol. Look, I'm going to keep playing aggressive.
Starting point is 01:30:14 Hopefully everybody can take a second to watch my tape going back to high school and realize that this is not a shock. Like, I play the game aggressively. I took one hit that people are talking about. I slid. Got out of the way of a lot of hits.
Starting point is 01:30:29 So I appreciate people, you know, wanting to, you know, me to be healthy and all that stuff. And I want to be healthy too. But I play this game aggressive. So I'm not going to just change how I play the game. Now, you said this earlier, Ross, but I mean, that's just that, and I'm young. I'm running the same age, and I know that's just, that's arrogant speaking. Like, that's his company. Stupid.
Starting point is 01:30:54 What are you thinking, Jackson Dart? I know nobody likes to be criticized and it can be. tough, especially when you're young and you're hot, you know what, you're drafted in the first round, and you've been lighting the world on fire, and you're in New York, and you've been the toast of the town. But let's wake up, literally, out of this brain fog that you have. Look at my high school tape. We looked it up earlier.
Starting point is 01:31:19 What was it, Draper, Utah or something he played? Who's the greatest Utah high school football player you've ever heard of? It's Jackson Dart. I don't know who else probably we can come up with a list. He's up there in the mountains playing. Yeah, but my gosh, even if you're in Texas or California, Florida, whatever you want to call these high school hotbeds, look at my, check out my high school tape. Yeah, you're not, you're playing up against a bunch of insurance salesmen and dropouts
Starting point is 01:31:45 and construction workers, not NFL players. You're the highest level of football, Jackson Dart. You cannot say, check my high school tape. I'm not new to this. I'm true to this. you're going to get true to these concussions and brain damage if you keep doing this
Starting point is 01:32:03 and being so defiant and arrogant about it I mean my gosh I guess it shouldn't be surprising but I mean I'm not going to really I'm not going to say I want him to get hurt Jonathan but he's I mean it's players like that
Starting point is 01:32:17 you kind of they have to look at the bar and there's a guy and he's talking a bunch of mess to everybody and you're like I wish somebody would just knock that dude out it's starting to You feel a little bit like that. I don't want Jackson Dard to get a brain injury and get in. I don't want to get him hospitalized.
Starting point is 01:32:35 But if he wants to keep flying off the sidelines like a ragdoll, that's not going to be a problem for me. What else is in the news at noon, Jonathan? I'm moving on. Of course, we've got to visit the devastating loss from the Rockets. Oh, the Utah Jazz. That's not what I was waking up. I wanted to.
Starting point is 01:32:53 No. Like, but. Waking up, you mean you watch the game. Listen to here on 790. and caught the Rockets wrap with me last night, right? I guess I was watching the Patriots game. I'm going to be honest. I'm in the football season right now.
Starting point is 01:33:06 I thought I thought it was a wife. You know, next time. It wasn't. They lost. They could have used your energy. Yeah, but you know. Yeah, $130. Marketing gathers in back court, down to five seconds left to go, gets across midcourt.
Starting point is 01:33:18 And Houston will go three and one in this western swing. They fall tonight here in Salt Lake City. The final score, the Jazz 133, the Rockets, 125. 133 to 125. Rockets lose to the Utah Jazz. They only shot 29% from three. The Utah Jazz shot 40% from three. Lori Marketing was going off. Keontay George was going off. Rockets' defense looked lethargic and just out of sorts. They were getting crushed on dribbled drives, collapsing and just giving up threes at the end as well. They rallied furiously. They brought it to within one. They scored 30. I think six points in the fourth quarter. Only problem was Utah Jazz scored 35 points in the fourth quarter. So you brought the offense in the fourth, did not bring the defense. Kevin Durant doing all that he could.
Starting point is 01:34:12 Rockets with their worst loss of the season. And as I said earlier in the show, even the worst teams the NBA are pretty talented. Like Yusik Nurkich, good. He had 18 and 9. Lori Markinen has been an all-star. Curante, George, is averaging 20 plus. You got a high lottery pick an Ace Bailey who was knocking down shots.
Starting point is 01:34:34 Every team in the NBA is talented and can get you on any given night. Unfortunately, that happened to the Houston Rockets last night in Utah. They'll be looking their wounds and looking to bounce back against Sacramento Kings coming up tomorrow here on Sports Talk 790. Jonathan Allen, what else is going on?
Starting point is 01:34:52 Of course. I mean, it's been the main topic all throughout today. I mean, Lane Kiffin and just the college football scene as a whole and all these coaching contracts and as Gordy was just bringing up them trying to go to the Supreme Court and all this to try to get the cap on NCAA NIL. Lane Kiff is still the top of the story, man. He just going to LSU and making these remarks that he said, and I have a audio clip right now. Okay, great. I'm never going to make a decision on money. And I'm telling you right now, I don't know what my contract is here.
Starting point is 01:35:24 That's not very financially responsible, okay? I'm sure it's really good, okay? I don't know what it is, nor did I know what the other places what the numbers were, because I said in the beginning, I told Jimmy Sexton, don't tell me the numbers, okay? I want to make a decision that has nothing to do with money for me. Now, tell me the numbers and the plan for what the money is for the players. I'm never going to make a decision.
Starting point is 01:35:53 All right. Ross Go ahead You can comment I didn't even listen to it before I played it And now I'm kind of stunned like I don't know what the contract terms are I told Jimmy Sexton
Starting point is 01:36:08 Don't tell me what the money is It doesn't matter I have no idea How much money I'm making You can try to make your point And you can say You know what At the end of the day
Starting point is 01:36:24 the money is good everywhere and I am going where I want to succeed and where I want to live. And I would rather live in Baton Rouge, Louisiana and get some good gumbo rather than go and live in Oxford, Mississippi. And I don't even know what they're supposed to eat over there. It's a fertile recruiting base. There's more history and you can win and it's a better place to live. And it's more money probably as well. I mean, certainly more money than he was making at Ole Miss before. I don't know what the new contract.
Starting point is 01:36:55 Apparently they were very close, if not close to identical. But to go out there and say, I don't know what my contract is. Do you think that's genuine? Like, do you, I mean. There's 0.0% chance he did not look at his. You got to sign it. You got to go to the docu sign. Yeah, he's saying Jimmy Sexton just signed it for him.
Starting point is 01:37:15 He's going to the docu sign and he's covering up his screen when it says what the terms of the contract are. Hell no. that would be irresponsible. Now, I imagine if he has money already. You can have 100% trust in Jimmy Sexton that he's going to get you the best contract and the most amount of money possible. But I mean, this is just insane for that to come out of your mouth.
Starting point is 01:37:39 You're ever telling a story with your friends, Jonathan, and you throw a little white law and a little exaggeration in there and then you go a little bit too far. Maybe you've had a couple of cocktails or a couple beers. You're like, man, and then he got up in my face. And you're like, no, he didn't get in my face. I kind of made that up.
Starting point is 01:37:55 And I probably shouldn't. But they're running with it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But then you're like, maybe I'm losing them. I don't know if they believe that one. This was a little too far. That's what Lane Kiffin just did. He's telling a story.
Starting point is 01:38:06 He got all riled up. He's having a good time in this press conference. Telling all these white lies about how let's use the greatest in sliced bread. And he took it a little bit too far. That's what happened with Lane Kiffin right there. I mean, no. Talking about you didn't see the money on the time. There's not a person on the planet that believes
Starting point is 01:38:22 Lane Kiffin. I put a poll up on my Twitter account. Lane Kiffin, I don't know what contract is here. Believe him or not? Well, so far, 100% of the responses are not. Chris Gordy, go ahead and vote, we'll leave it on there. All right, anything else on the news?
Starting point is 01:38:39 At noon, Mr. Allen. That's J.K.'s News and noon today, guys. Appreciate them having me. Oh, wow. J.K.'s news? And we do appreciate you for having us, Jonathan. All right, you want to react to any of that. That's what we've been talking about today. I mean, we got to, for a Tuesday, at the beginning of December, After a holiday, we got a lot of sports topics to get to.
Starting point is 01:38:56 Haven't even mentioned Jake Myers being floated in trade rumors. You guys can get to that. We were talking about Lane Kiffin at LSU. My gut feeling is that within four years, there will just be unfavorable circumstances, and Lane Kiffin will not work out at LSU. Do you think I'm crazy? How are we feeling about the Houston Texans?
Starting point is 01:39:17 They beat the Colt and the bills in back-to-back weeks. Are they AFC contenders, or are they AFC? Pretenders and of course we mentioned the Rockets losing last night to the Utah Jazz. Anything you guys want to bring to the table right now. Chris Gordy is out so you want to come co-host for a couple of minutes hang out with me. Let's do it. 713
Starting point is 01:39:35 212-790 is the phone number 7-13 212-5-790. It is the Matt Thomas show with Ross without Matt Thomas with you until 2 o'clock here on Sports Talk 790. I'm curious to see how far this goes. I put up a poll on my Twitter account
Starting point is 01:40:00 at SportsRV Lane Kiffin I don't know what my contract is here at LSU Believe it or not How long can it stay at 100% not? You're at 28? Or 27 votes of not Without a single person dropping a believe it
Starting point is 01:40:20 maybe this can get into LSU circles at some point. So, yeah, if you want to go ahead and vote on that, you can do so on my Twitter account at SportsRV. Ross, Vio, we're back with you here on the Matt Thomas show with Ross without Matt Thomas. He is traveling with your Houston Rockets. They lost last night to the Utah Jazz. You guys can get in. I am flying solo for, and it might be the rest of the show. So if you want to get in, you can 713-212.
Starting point is 01:40:50 5-790. 7-13-21-2-5-7-90. We have a lot of stuff to talk about as we go along. We have been talking about this Lane Kiffin stuff. We've got the Texan stuff. Later on, coming up in about 30 minutes, I do want to talk about there was a slippery slope that everyone could see, and it's come to fruition in the NFL. And I am disappointed. We'll talk about that coming up in 30 minutes. But we have been talking about this whole Lane Kiffin situation. What's going on with these college coaches? and this money that they continue to make and these contracts and these expectations that are held basically everywhere. And I don't know necessarily that there's a solution. This is just something that is very interesting to kind of watch unfold that has come to my attention. I was bringing it up with Chris Gordy a couple of segments ago that when Ohio State last year lost to Michigan yet again, like there were articles being written calling for the firing of Ryan Day where the Ohio State Buckeyes finished as the sixth seat in the playoff if we're a 14th playoff did they get jumped by two teams or just one
Starting point is 01:42:03 I think it was just one with Ohio State I mean with the with the boy I think it was Boise State made the top four I think the Buckeyes would have been on the outside looking in last year and they lost to they lost to was it Michigan and then also Oregon in the big in the big 10 championship game which would have been if it weren't for a 12 team playoff we could have been in a scenario where Ryan Day would have been fired he went on he goes on to win the national championship he's 12 and oh this year and all of a sudden Ryan day most genius coach in history and I brought this up to you Jonathan I think about a week or two ago whenever it was that
Starting point is 01:42:46 like Mac Brown went one in ten and his first two years at North Carolina, the first stint in the 1990s before rounding them into shape and being very good at Texas. And then, oh, by the way, getting let go at 8 and 5 at Texas, despite being, I mean, one of the greatest coaches in the program's history. Everybody's got these expectations and everybody cannot win at all times. And it's getting worse and worse and worse because of all this NIL money. And I understand. Like, if I'm a million dollar booster and I'm donating all this cash and I'm paying for
Starting point is 01:43:25 these players and I don't know if they're going to pan out and you're the coach, you have to trust the coach, right? It's some million dollar booster who's in a private jet who lives in their mansion. Are they out there scouting high school tape and they know who the five star players are or whatever? No, they can flip on into to on three or 24-7 sports and get some, somewhat of an idea, but they don't really know. They're like, you're trusting in this coach.
Starting point is 01:43:53 And when these things don't work out, and it's costing you millions of dollars, you are breaking trust with these coaches. So I understand that. But it's everywhere. And it's unrealistic as a collective for Ohio State, Georgia, Alabama, Texas, A&M, Texas, Oklahoma, Miami, whoever else, Michigan, and you add it up and it's like
Starting point is 01:44:19 15 boost, you know, and then you're getting new guys into the mix. I mean, into your point, though. The Indiana, the Vanderbilt's like, they all want to win. I mean, to your point, I mean, and they're still going to bring in that revenue, that money to the stadium
Starting point is 01:44:33 and get people, the tickets sold, you know, especially if they're like how Ryan Day dropped that game, they were still a playoff team. They were still going to do what they needed to do. And it still, you know, so I guess fire,
Starting point is 01:44:44 these coaches that help you build your brand name isn't really going to get you anywhere but like you said, a repeating cycle over and over and over again. Yeah, it's just, yeah, I'm trying to pull it up from last year. Ohio State had lost to Oregon early in the year, not the big 12th, not the big chin championship game
Starting point is 01:45:00 and then they ended the season with a 1310 lost to Michigan. They had lost to Michigan like Ryan Day had, I don't think he had beaten them or he's like one in five against them or whatever it was. It's just crazy the expectation. And I'm just kind of curious to watch it all unfold. Because you have so many different things going on right now in college football.
Starting point is 01:45:20 Like, where is the future of this? And we don't talk about it on Saturdays. I was at DKR on Friday screaming my lungs out. I've lost a little bit of my voice right now. And I wasn't thinking about NIL or when Coach Sark is going or if he's going to the NFL or whatever. It's just beat the team, the number three team of the country. You still have a very, very outside slight shot at the playoff. Beat the team that is on your field and is also happening.
Starting point is 01:45:44 to be your rival as well like win the game i was that's all i was focused on that's all everybody's focused on when these games start but the the the the ecosystem is what i'll keep using when it's coaches when it's roster construction when it's players when it's i mean senators and in everybody else getting involved in the government getting involved and trying to regulate all this it's just gone haywire with college football and and it's getting it's only going to get worse, I think, before it gets better. And I don't know what the solution is. The only real solution is at some point for them to say, hey, this is an NFL minor
Starting point is 01:46:22 league system. You get, I don't even know, these guys are professional players, and then you go from there. But the NCAA is grasping at what they have left, clutching to whatever threads of their control that they used to have because it all boils down to money. But why don't you think they do that? Why don't they just say, as an NFL minor lease? They would lose their tax exempt status. They don't have to pay taxes right now because they're amateur athletics.
Starting point is 01:46:52 I don't know how much. I don't know the ins and outs of it completely. I know that the NCAA generates billions of dollars in revenue. They do redistribute a lot of that back to the schools. But they're keeping their money. Whoever's the head of the NCAA, I imagine he's making millions of dollars. I don't know who exactly is grifting and getting all this money into their pockets. But they can do all of this tax-free.
Starting point is 01:47:12 once they say that they're amateur athletics. And I don't know how long, it's been a House of Cards forever. I don't know how much longer it's going to be a House of Cards because they lost the name, image, of likeness, a lawsuit. They lost the ones with the transfer rules. Remember, players had to sit out a year for its transfers.
Starting point is 01:47:32 Like, that goes to the Supreme Court, and they're like, why? There's no justifiable reason for it. It's not. And I mean, I was there. In my freshman year, orientation, NCAA Athletics, They gave us, 2020, they gave us a whole 30, 30 slide, PowerPoint explaining what happens you transfer and if this gets passed and you don't, you know, you got to do it right this certain times and this dates before, so you don't get, you know, all these type of hoops you had to go through
Starting point is 01:47:58 and it didn't make any sense to us. Yeah. It's, it's crazy and it didn't really make any sense. And now some people are, they're challenging the, isn't there a lawsuit that is challenging the eligibility rules? Like, hey, if I'm in school, I should be able to play. Yeah, see, that's... That's crazy. That's a slippery slope because no one wants to...
Starting point is 01:48:17 These are all... You get like five degrees. No, I mean, you can... No one wants to verse a 27-year-old. You know what I mean? Well, then don't play... Don't schedule BYU then. See, that's a...
Starting point is 01:48:27 They got the grown men's strength over there. That's not fair. I know, but it's... It's just interesting the way that it's just spiraled out of control. And it's been like this for a long time. As I've mentioned, before on air. I was reading this book about Jim Thorpe, who played college
Starting point is 01:48:45 football back in the day. Like, they were getting back then, they were getting paid under the table. Yeah. Because they were getting, they were getting percentages of the receipts. I can't remember the, the name of the school. It wasn't like a real college.
Starting point is 01:49:02 It was a Native American college and it was run by Pop Warner and Jim Thorpe was like one of the stars. And he was playing until he was like 23 years. old and he had been playing professional Carlisle School. That's what it was. He was there from 1907 and 1914
Starting point is 01:49:21 and 1899 to 1903, Pop Warner was. Like this Carlisle School, they were getting money to go on the road to play Harvard, Yale, Pitt, Penn, and Cornell and whoever else that were all the powers back in those days. And then they would, and Pop Warner was paying his players under the table. Like this was happening a hundred years ago
Starting point is 01:49:43 Yeah I mean even as early Late as my grandpa was in the A's doing Was at UTT playing football Uh huh And a UCLA coach that had Recruited one of his hometown friends Was like coming over to UCLA And under the table like you can't transfer back then
Starting point is 01:50:00 You'd have to just quit and just travel over there And go on a team like everything was so Offering him some cash Yeah it's saying like so Yeah it's crazy we finally got a knot by the way I believe it for Elaine Kiven it's up to 11%
Starting point is 01:50:16 there you go LSU fans must have found it it's probably Chris Gordy on all his burners we're up to 11% believe Lane Kiffin he didn't read the terms of the contract okay if you say so
Starting point is 01:50:28 all right guys we're going to take a quick break here on the Matt Thomas show with Ross as I mentioned not coming up in the next segment but the one after that NFL slippery slope I'm disappointed to see it we'll talk about that We've got college football stuff going on. Houston Texans in action this weekend on Sunday night football.
Starting point is 01:50:45 Anything you guys want to get to. Phone lines are open. 713-2-7-90 is the phone number 7-13-212-5-7-90. 1233 in the PM here on a Sports Talk 7-90. Ross Villarie out with you on the Matt Thomas show with Ross. Matt Thomas is out. You guys can get in if you would like. 212-5-790 is the phone number 7-13-212-5-7-90.
Starting point is 01:51:18 We've been talking a lot of college football. I mean, we had Chris Gordy in, but there's just, like I said, it's just, I'm finding all of this fascinating the way that things continue to unfold in college football. Like Texas A&M, you're not even waiting for a season to be over, and you're giving an extension to Mike Elko. And now they've lost, and they're not going to make the SEC championship game, so you don't have to fade possibly losing in that game. We'll see what happens in the playoff.
Starting point is 01:51:50 Hey, maybe the Aggies are going to be rewarded, and Mike Elko is going to go on a dream run in the playoff, and the Aggies are going to win the entire thing. I don't think they are one of the favorites, but hey, you get in as a top, one of the top seeds. No, no, they're not going to be a top four seed. but my point is you get into the playoff you got a shot Ohio State won it last year as a six seat
Starting point is 01:52:13 so it can happen but you are not even waiting for seasons to be over I always talk about this this recency bias and we're so much prisoner of the moment this is the worst thing ever that's the best thing ever this is the greatest coach ever
Starting point is 01:52:31 that's the worst coach ever to where Mike Elko wasn't the guy for many Aggie fans last year all of a sudden you start 11 and oh the guy got an extension 10 months later it's crazy it's just the way of the world but it's crazy and and we'll like I said I like that one of my favorite things about sports first of all I work on this show I talk about a lot of sports and we we end up talking about this and that and how that's going to play out and and time is undefeated time play everything plays out in due time. That's one thing that I've really learned in 16 years in this business. It will make a genius of you or oftentimes it will make a fool of you over the years. We will figure this out. You can have all the hot takes you want. You can get your likes and you can get your impressions and say all this stupid stuff. But over time, people will see how much
Starting point is 01:53:30 of a fool you will. It reveals all truths, does time. And I'm just curious to see how a lot of different things play out. I just don't. I have it a feeling in my gut that Lane Kiffin isn't going to be the guy because he didn't, it didn't work, he left Tennessee, didn't work out at USC, and Ole Miss, yes, there have been some good, some good seasons there, but it's not like he's completely lit the world on fire and not necessarily like you're going to get a national championship winning coach to come to your school anyways. But it's just something doesn't sit right about Lane Kiffin. I can't exactly put my finger on it. Maybe it's just some of the circumstances and some of the stories now that are coming out like that he, did you see that story about how he has that dog and it's just
Starting point is 01:54:15 for PR? And then some guy was getting mad at me like, hey, this is, this is a hunting dog and it's kept at this kennel and you're showing your ignorance here. Like if you have a dog and you don't live with the dog and you don't take the dog with you to your new place of business or where you're living, you were using the dog for PR. You're using it for likes and digital hugs. I mean, it just is what it is. And this other stuff, is it, I saw this other stuff, and this is unverified. Like, apparently he was playing, he was
Starting point is 01:54:43 like at hot yoga and like knocking people over and doing all this crazy stuff, Ling Kiffin was. I don't know, man. I got questions about this dude. Did you see that? I saw a picture when he did the hot yoga with some the Oxford. Yeah. Oh, the Oxford
Starting point is 01:54:59 yoga girls are all upset, are all happy that he's leaving their yoga classes. He was changing the He was changing the thermostat Whatever he felt like it What? I will miss him walking in late for class With that damn hoodie on knowing his mat is ready And waiting on him
Starting point is 01:55:16 He would start doing random workouts mid-class And not follow the instructor Coming in five minutes late Leaving 20 minutes early Man, they're coming after Len Kiffin off these yoga girls in Oxford I don't know, just little stuff like that Now a lot of these coaches aren't necessarily good people
Starting point is 01:55:33 I think people would famously point out Steve Sarkesian when there was like that Do you ever see that video The security guard like bumped him or something like that And he loses his absolute mind Oh don't touch me Like hey relax dude You just take five smelling salts at one sark
Starting point is 01:55:51 Like relax And a lot of these coaches aren't good people They just aren't Brian Kelly was thought of as not a good person Like to reach the top And you know this in your line of work Or whatever line of work A lot of times you got to step
Starting point is 01:56:03 on some necks in order to make your way to the top. And that's just how it is. People didn't like Nick Sabin. People didn't think Nick Sabin was a good guy around Tuscaloosa and didn't get treated well. But you know what happened? Nick Sabin won a lot of football games. So that doesn't necessarily preclude Lane Kiffin from winning at LSU.
Starting point is 01:56:29 But I just I just got a bad gut feeling about it. 713-212-5-7-90 is the phone number. Paul in Myerland is next up. What's up, Paul? Hey, well, first I got to ask you, who's this new guy, Josh Gordon? Josh Jordan? Gordon, Jordan, doing the nightshap. Josh Jordan in the afternoon. So I'll give you a little bit of history on that. Josh Jordan used to be an intern slash reporter for us several years ago.
Starting point is 01:56:57 And then, unfortunately, he got hired away to a competitor because we could not give a competitive. salary. I mean, it is what it is. And then now he has come back and he is our afternoon producer for, uh, for Adam and Adam and doing the nightcap with Cole Thompson being slotted to the morning drive with Dan and Cole. Yeah. Yeah, I've been hearing him in the morning and taking the kids to school. Uh, but yeah, you need to talk to this young man. Uh, he snubs me on his first night hosting a show, uh-oh. So that I helped contribute to and make money. Wow. Do you, does he not know that Paul and Myerland is a legend in his own mind? well the producer did he said what do you drink this night paul oh wow yeah you were you were having
Starting point is 01:57:39 shining a box weren't you no actually they were out of shiners and had to get some stella applause yeah i'm sorry okay paul so the purpose of your call was to call me and tell to tell you to tell josh jordan to take your calls in the nightcap no no no no that's just sideline i want to know about college football rule changes pass interference defense and pass interference It always used to be like 15 yards in the first down But now I'm starting to see spot of the fouls on some occasions Not all occasions I think when it's under 15 it's a spot foul
Starting point is 01:58:10 Okay And over 15 it's I got you Okay That's it Under 15 is a spot foul Over 15 you get a 15 yard penalty Good deal
Starting point is 01:58:24 All right thank you Appreciate you Paul I mean I guess I can double I'll go flip through my rule book during the upcoming break but I believe that is let's see what this is what a oh god I don't know if we can trust Google AI
Starting point is 01:58:37 penalty call blah blah blah the penalty is an automatic first down for the offense ball place at the spot of the foul if it's less than 15 yeah from the line of scrimmage with a 15 yard penalty if it occurred more than 15 yards down the field there's some people that want that in the NFL to where like there's these questionable calls
Starting point is 01:58:53 45 yards down the field and like a 45 yard gain is pretty insane I mean that you're talking about flipping the field that's ridiculous Yeah I know Because then you Then coaches can play With against that
Starting point is 01:59:03 And that's true But also I mean But sometimes the player The reason the rule is invoked The way it is Because people probably Especially back in the day When they barely had a forward pass
Starting point is 01:59:13 People were probably like Ripping guys down By their face masks And And they wanted to make it A more severe penalty So I understand as well But like when it's a tickey tack
Starting point is 01:59:24 You're like I don't even think That's pass interference And then you get 40 yards on it It's kind of crazy for sure. But I also like not rewarding where people do sometimes do it on purpose in order to avoid a big play.
Starting point is 01:59:37 And I bet you that came more in play when the forward pass was this new thing like, hey, hey, these guys are cheating. They keep throwing the ball forward. What the hell is this? I'm going to rip this guy down. I don't know what to do. All right. Anyways, we're going to take a quick break here on the Matt Thomas show with Ross. You guys want to get in? You want to ask me some
Starting point is 01:59:54 procedural rules about college football? Actually, please don't do that. Let's discuss some college football. Am I crazy to say Lane Kiffin is going to exit under unfavorable circumstances within four years at LSU? You want to talk about anything else going on in college football? You can. Talking about the Texans and what is going on with them this weekend against the Kansas City Chiefs. And also, I'm very disappointed in you, NFL.
Starting point is 02:00:23 We'll get to that next. Do you guys want to get in? You can. 713-212-5-790 is the phone number 7-13-212-5-7-90. NFL Rewind is coming up at 120 here on a sports talk 790. Will and Adam join me? I don't think so. Adam Clanton said he's feeling a little bit sick,
Starting point is 02:00:51 so he doesn't want to do the extra time. I appreciate it. They also have a meeting, I think. So could be me. Flying solo to 2 o'clock. You know what that means? That means an opportunity for you to get in and have free reign on anything you would like to talk about.
Starting point is 02:01:04 713-212-5-790 is the phone number if you would like to get in. 7-13-212-5-7-90. I also would appreciate a follow to my Instagram account at SportsRV. You know what? I'll follow you back from now until 1 o'clock. You follow me at SportsRV on my Instagram. I will follow. you back. Also, you can follow me at
Starting point is 02:01:28 SportsRV on Twitter where, let's see, I put the poll question about Lane Kiffin. Do you believe him or not? He said, I don't know what my contract is here at LSU. I'm being serious. Yeah, right. 90% not 9.5%
Starting point is 02:01:47 believe him. I don't believe you people even believe. That's probably 9% finger slips. You know, sometimes you misclick when you go to the poll, which I do that time to time on the Twitterverse. All right, anyways, phone lines open, as I said, 713, 212, 570, if you would like to get in. I was talking about this earlier, something that is greatly disappointed me, and I'm not even surprised. I hold NFL Red Zone in very high esteem.
Starting point is 02:02:19 To me, it is like the greatest thing, one of the greatest inventions of my lifetime. And I wish I were joking, but as a sports fan who has a sports career and has thrown my life into sports, I freaking love Red Zone. It's nonstopful football action. And it used to be said by Scott Hansen before the broadcasts, this is seven hours of commercial free football coming your way. And we knew this was going to happen when ESPN acquired NFL network and NFL Red Zone. said there we're going to pepper in ads but in week one it was just four 15 second advertisements and you even had water carrying adam schaefter put a tweet out hey guys this is not a big deal this is going to be just four 15 second ads we're talking about one minute over the course of seven hour
Starting point is 02:03:17 broadcasts and anybody with a brain with any semblance of sense knows that there is going to be a slippery slope it's happened with all the streaming services it happened when you remember when you could skip every youtube app youtube ad within like five seconds i don't get me started on this i know now you got to get like 45 seconds sometimes before you can get a skip it depends on what you're watching or whatever it used to be everything was skipping within five then it was 15 now sometimes it's 30 or 45 it's a slippery slope with advertisers which by the way you can go ahead and uh patronize our wonderful advertisers here at Sports Talk 790. I know that advertising dollars make the world go round.
Starting point is 02:04:01 But these slippery slopes that keep happening where they keep on wanting more and more and more. And the streaming service price goes up and up and up. And now you have, it used to be when you paid for the streaming service, you did not get ads. Now you pay for the streaming service and you get ads. And then you have to pay extra to not get ads. now the NFL network and the NFL NFL Red Zone within one season
Starting point is 02:04:28 they have gone eightfold with the advertisements this article that I'm reading from awful announcing eight minutes and 10 seconds of sponsored elements throughout Sunday
Starting point is 02:04:40 Sunday's afternoon broadcast that's so sad and I know the counter argument would be like oh it's just eight minutes out of seven hours what's the big deal but you went from one minute to eight
Starting point is 02:04:48 I'm a thank you thank you Jonathan No, I'm seeing it right now. It's nothing sacred. It's nothing sacred in this world of ours. I want to sit down and watch seven hours of commercial free football. That's what I've been promised by Scott Hanson and NFL Red Zone for years and years. And frankly, that's just scary to the world of media we're going to grow into.
Starting point is 02:05:13 Is this going to get worse and worse? Do we have to just be okay with all these commercials everywhere? We can't just watch something because we want it to? When does it stop? Go back to view. ass and some CDs, man. Because, I mean, I'm going to tell you, these corporations aren't struggling. NBC is, well, they're making a bunch of layoffs, but that price, that stock price
Starting point is 02:05:29 keeps going up. That CEO salary keeps going up. NFL and ESPN and Disney. Yeah, they're making all these, uh, they're making all these layoffs. That stock price seems pretty good. And it's just more and more and more and taking over because this is disease of more. It's, it's kind of everywhere. I mean, it is what it is. and maybe I'm just being an old man shaking my fist at a cloud
Starting point is 02:05:53 but literally in week you went from last year to no advertisements to week one with four advertisements up to a minute and now you're talking about five to eight minutes within a several weeks time
Starting point is 02:06:10 it's crazy I just want to watch football and some of them in double box and some of them aren't their banner ads or spas whatever it's just It's invading what was a sacred space. And the reason I'm also railing so much against it is because you have to pay extra for red zone.
Starting point is 02:06:27 Depending on what you have. You either A, have Sunday ticket, which you get red zone for free, but Sunday ticket ain't free. Or B, you pay extra for the red zone package with your cable company, or you're paying for NFL Plus, which I do. So I am paying for a service to watch commercial free football. And it goes from week one to one minute. up to five minutes within the matter of weeks to eight minutes. Eight minutes
Starting point is 02:06:56 and ten seconds is what this awful announcing article says of advertising content. And you know what? The saddest part about this is I'm not going to turn it off. I'm not going to stop watching. They got me. And they know they got me, Jonathan. It's almost like they've been planning this for like 20 years.
Starting point is 02:07:14 Oh, well, well, probably not 20 years. They knew that they were going to soft launch a minute of spots and then And eventually it's going to be up to like five to ten. I didn't know it was going to be this quick. But like think about it. They threw out streaming and this is my little tinfoil hat on real quick just for a minute. You thought they, you give us all the streaming. Like you say you start off from Netflix, okay?
Starting point is 02:07:33 You can't tell me back then when they saw how big Netflix is going into streaming service. They weren't putting their plan on together. YouTube and Google have had a plan of when to integrate spots, how to add more. Yeah, they all have multi-year growth plans. Absolutely. You're right. I just didn't know it was going to be this quick, man. It just makes me sad to something that was so sacred to me
Starting point is 02:07:56 to where I could sit on my couch and watch what Scott Hansen described as. That's another reason I'm upset. I was sold a bill of goods. Scott Hansen will get on there seven hours of commercial free football. I'm like, yes, let's freaking go. No longer. All right, 713, 212, 5, 790 is the first. phone number if you want to get in. We're talking about, I don't know, the NFL disappointing me.
Starting point is 02:08:24 We've been talking about some college football. You've got the Texans this weekend, Sunday night football against the Chiefs. If they win this, how much more are you willing to admit? They are AFC contenders. 713-212-5790 is the phone number. 7-13-212-5-790. Speaking of advertising, I think you should go to t-R-tMvP.com. But see, we don't sell. You never say we're going to bring you commercial-free content here at Sports Talk 7-9. No. This is the Matt Thomas show with Ross. Hour number four of the Matt Thomas show with Ross.
Starting point is 02:09:09 Without Matt Thomas, Ross, Vio, Real with you. Jonathan Allen is here as well. Phone lines open at 713-212-5-790, 7-1-3-212. 1-2-5-7-90. Appreciate you, those of you, interacting on the Twitterverse. Jones says, can't agree more with about Red Zone. Thank you. I mean, it was this, it was like a sanctuary, like a football sanctuary.
Starting point is 02:09:37 And it's been invaded by advertisements. And they should have never, I kind of actually thought about that over the years. Like, hey, they say, how much longer are they going to be able to say seven hours of commercial free football? It was so comforting just to hear that. And then now it's been invaded by spots when week one, when everybody got all upset. And then they sent out there a little shill, Adam Schaefter, who has to protect the shield. Hey, guys, it's only one minute of advertising. And then now by week 13 or whatever we're in these days, it's up to eight minutes and 10 seconds.
Starting point is 02:10:15 Crazy. How quickly these things go. and they need more and more and more because yeah I'm sure Mickey Mouse is struggling in Disney. You know what? Do I dare I even bring up the Disney stock? I'm sure they're doing quite well.
Starting point is 02:10:29 I mean, that's still probably doing good, huh? Yeah, it's actually, it's been down, but it's fine. Whatever. It's like $100. It's still up a lot from where it was 10 years ago. 2011, it was $39. Now it's 105. Shut up, stockholders.
Starting point is 02:10:46 You don't even need to add all these advertisements. When does it become enough? Never, I guess. Especially, like I said, look, I'm not tuning out. So they're winning. It's not enough to make me... I don't know if there's what they could possibly do to make me tune out of Red Zone.
Starting point is 02:11:01 It'd take a lot. I don't think it's going to happen. So, you win this round, NFL and Disney. 713-212-5-790 is the phone number. Another tweet from Yon Easy. Funny you bring up to ads. Wisney Fluss has ads now. daughter is pissed. The fine print said they added the commercials now and have to upgrade even
Starting point is 02:11:22 more to ax them. Yeah. It used to be you're playing for whatever Disney Plus or Hulu or whatever Apple Plus, you pay for the service. You shouldn't have to pay the service and get the advertisement. As I said, we have advertisers here. We are free. Free on the IHeart Radio app. Free on 7.90 a.m. Check us out on all your podcast pages. as well. Spotify, I Heart Radio, Apple Podcasts, etc. We don't charge you. Keep it free, baby. Let's go. 713-212-579 is the phone number, Jose, holding here on the phone lines. What's up, Jose? Hey, guys. How are you all? I'm doing great. What you got?
Starting point is 02:12:07 No, I was just calling in since we're on our soapbox about commercials and advertising. I just want to say that I appreciate to not hear that not. nonsense, blue, Dodger, dream, craziness that we're hearing or here in the summer. Yes. Now, well, I guess necessarily not paid. That was from IHeart National. I'm glad that's over, too. That was, first of all, our company, in their infinite wisdom, has invested a lot of money into these podcasts.
Starting point is 02:12:40 You heard, like, the John Wall podcast. You heard the Sarah Spain women's sports podcast. It was like the, what's it? Cassidy Hubbard. Filipino basketball podcast. These decisions are above my head. I would rather they invest in our local products. That's not up to me.
Starting point is 02:12:58 I love you. I heart, please don't ask me. But, yeah. As long as we don't hear it, it makes it even that better for the holiday. Yeah, I think once the Dodgers won the World Series, they ax those. Thank you, Jose, for getting in.
Starting point is 02:13:17 In their infinite wisdom, they said, we're going to make a podcast about one baseball team, and then we're going to run advertisements throughout the nation using up our inventory, and then they are going to, we are going to also do that in Houston where they hate them. Did they do that in San Francisco? They hate the Dodgers there too? Did they do that in, I don't know if there's I heart meat in Toronto. I don't think there is. But like wherever else, where they don't like the Dodgers, I don't know.
Starting point is 02:13:45 But of all the markets where you should probably skip advertising for your Dodger Blue podcast, Houston has to be on the short list, if not number one. But, you know, sometimes you work at your job and you don't think the bosses are necessarily in tune with what's going on down to the nth degree. Happens here, too. So that's okay. Don't listen to the Dodger Blue podcast. Listen to the Matt Thomas Show with Ross podcast. It's available on IHeartMedia. Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Spreaker.
Starting point is 02:14:18 Sure is. Anywhere you get podcasts, you can check it out. Jonathan takes the time to cut those up. We appreciate him, and you can upload those. And you can listen to those. We really do appreciate it. So no Dodger Blue podcast advertisements, at least since the end of the world series that I saw. 713-212-5-790 is the phone number if you'd like to get in.
Starting point is 02:14:38 7-13-212-5-7-90. Steve is next up holding longest. What's up? yeah ross thank you for putting me on before i launch into this i want everybody just so nobody gets me wrong i love my houston texans proud of the fact that they won the last four games three out of the last four with the backup quarterback they're doing great god bless them all i think the nfl is fundamentally a better league when the patriots are winning and they put on quite a show last night um i have some very good reasons for saying that.
Starting point is 02:15:16 I think they had such a phenomenal run of excellence for such a long time with Tom Brady and Bill Belichick, and all of a sudden it looks like there's a new dynasty being reborn over there.
Starting point is 02:15:32 And I just, I think it's a wonderful thing. What do you think about that, Ross? I think I'm rooting against the Patriots. I don't necessarily agree that the NFL is a better product with the Patriots. I don't think of them as Packers,
Starting point is 02:15:48 Steelers, who else, of course Cowboys, those types, maybe like the second tier of that, because they had that great run, of course. I mean, they were, I mean, no, don't get me wrong. There was a time where I would say on this airwave, Steve, they were America's team ahead of the
Starting point is 02:16:03 Cowboys. The Cowboys... Go ahead. Well, I was going to say, no, I agree with you on that. And to just add to that, I think they still are. And I think there's another, and this is a little abstract here, Ross, but I think the NFL is better with the Patriots on top because football is America's sport.
Starting point is 02:16:28 I know baseball is Houston sport, but football's America's sport. So football, since it's America's sport, ought to be patriotic. Oh, okay, we're going with that angle. Lord, the boys are red, white, and blue, we're the Patriots. I got you. It shouldn't be about Colin Kaepernick and taking it to
Starting point is 02:16:50 and all the rest of that. And I think... He hadn't been in a league in a long time, Steve. Exactly. But the whole take of the thing sprang from him. Okay. And I think I think...
Starting point is 02:17:02 Nobody got hurt. But I think if the Patriots won it all this year because if you're 11 and 2 in December, your sights are set, on a Super Bowl championship, which is where they ought to be. And should they win it all,
Starting point is 02:17:17 I think it would take that whole era of the NFL and put it behind us once and for all. I think that is a ridiculous statement, Steve. I mean, I don't. I don't think anybody's thinking about Colin Kaepernick right now. I just don't. I even don't talk politics on this show, man. I mean, it's not even politics, really.
Starting point is 02:17:40 It's football. What? The NFL is better with the Patriots Because of the red, white, and blue The Chiefs have been winning. That's fine. I don't think that anybody's... Hey, the Eagles are patriotic.
Starting point is 02:17:54 What's more patriotic than an eagle? They won the Super Bowl last year. I think that is well overplayed And not in the minds of anybody. I haven't even heard the name Colin Kaepernick on this air in years and years. I don't think that... Maybe that's top of mind for you.
Starting point is 02:18:12 and whatever bubble you're living in, but I haven't thought about him or those, you know, what's more, also what's more American than an eagle? What's more American than protesting something that you think is an injustice? I mean, any who.
Starting point is 02:18:28 Anyways, onto spirits. Anywho, I don't think, I honestly don't think of the Patriots as the NFL's better with them as like a tier one type of team. I would, like I said, some of the teams I'd list, The Cowboys, of course.
Starting point is 02:18:43 I mean, love them or hate them. They are. It is what it is. There's a reason they're on Sunday night football as much as they are. Packers, a heritage NFL brand. The Raiders used to be in that mix. I wouldn't put them there now. Steelers, of course, one of the old time.
Starting point is 02:19:01 But it doesn't matter to me in the NFL. Like, it was the Eagles and the Chiefs last year. And it was a great Super Bowl. Kansas City and the Chiefs were not some great huge brand in the NFL. And that's kind of the beauty of the NFL is you can win everywhere, anywhere, when they have this hard cap league, it doesn't matter where you are. You can be great, as I listed off Green Bay.
Starting point is 02:19:28 Green Bay freaking Wisconsin. Yeah, you get a lot more eyeballs because of the brand that they are, but you can also build your own brand. The Patriots weren't some crazy, great winning historic franchise before Bill Belichick and Tom Brady went on their historic run that they had there. And the same for the Kansas City Chiefs.
Starting point is 02:19:47 Yeah, they won a Super Bowl with Hank, Hank Stram and the boys in the 1980s, but they were a dormant franchise for decades. You get Andy Reed, you get Pat Mahomes, you go to four Super Bowls and win a couple of them. Over a stretch of five, six, seven years, whatever it's been. Oh, wait, they've won three now. Jeez.
Starting point is 02:20:07 They've won three Super Bowls since 20. 20. They've been to five. That's insane. Yeah. You know what happens? You become a heritage brand. You become a big deal. You become a great. Right now you could say it's great for the league that the chiefs are good. Nobody was saying that 10 years ago. Nobody's saying that when it was like, I don't know, Matt Castle and whoever else over there, I would put the Ravens on that list. Like the Ravens, when they're great, that's good for the NFL. They're cool. They're fun to watch. Buffalo Bills. They've been great for the NFL. They get a lot. a lot of eyeballs because they've been good. Doesn't matter where you are or what the name of your team is. Just win, baby. That'd be nice if the Houston Texans could just win against the Kansas City Chiefs this weekend. We shall see. All right, 713, 212-790 is the phone number if you want to get in.
Starting point is 02:21:02 That was interesting. And you're going to follow that act. You can. 713, 2-1-2-5-7-90. you can also send tweets to at sports rv and drop me a follow on instagram at sports rv as well ross viree out with you until two o'clock we're going to take quick break come back and talk about anything you guys want to get to at seven one three two one two five seven ninety all right NFL rewind in just a second but we had Dave holding so we want to get him really quickly before we do that let's get Dave on the north side what's up hey Ross what's going on my friend I'm doing very well. Thank you for asking.
Starting point is 02:21:42 Very good. Yeah, very good. Nice to hear you. We know that the Dallas Cowboys have their own brand, right? Nationwide and the Dallas Cowboys are called America's team, right? Yes. Okay. So what about the Houston, Texas?
Starting point is 02:22:01 The Houston Texans are in Texas. Yes. The Dallas Cowboys are in Texas. question can you do you think that the Texans brand can be built up off of the Dallas Cowboys football brand what do you mean off of greater than yeah at least in the state of Texas, I absolutely do. There's one solution. What's the solution?
Starting point is 02:22:40 Win. Win, win, win, win, and win some more. When the Texans were actually ripping off some wins and looking good, it was like the Brian Cushing, J.J. Watt, Matt Schaub era. I don't know if people remember this. They were doing tours across Texas and they were
Starting point is 02:22:57 trying to invest in going to the valley in San Antonio and other places and like they were getting people to come out like you can it was just a small pop if if they could win i'm talking about like basically to what the chiefs are or or what like i said what the patriots were if you can rip off multiple super bowls you could absolutely be the number one team in texas it's for the taking right now it is you have to ingrain yourself with children you have to to build your bread you honestly you do i mean you there are people who switch allegiances do you i'll give you an example dave
Starting point is 02:23:33 It's been a tussle for between the Astros and the Rangers in Texas. People forget when the Astros were terrible and the Rangers were winning or going to back-to-back World Series. When you went to Minute May Park when the Rangers came into town, don't you remember there was a ton of Rangers fans in town, right? A ton of Rangers fans in Houston. Yes. And they're where you saw Rangers gear everywhere. And that was just, as I said, a small pop. That was a couple of years of making back-to-back world series.
Starting point is 02:24:02 If you can make the playoffs, and not just 10 and 7 and out in the first round playoffs, if you can make deep runs in the playoffs, I'm talking AFC championship games, Super Bowl appearances, Super Bowl wins, then the winning will, if the winning happens, the fans will come. That's just the way of the world. There's nationwide chiefs fan base that did not exist 10 years ago right now. Well, Ross, here's my take. on the Houston
Starting point is 02:24:34 Texas brand. If the Texans continue, they're winning ways right now and continue to win until they get to the AFC championship game
Starting point is 02:24:46 and try to look up on getting into the Super Bowl this year or even next year. Then, maybe, just maybe, if they continue to win some games, they're not supposed to win,
Starting point is 02:25:04 then maybe, just maybe, they'll get their own nationwide brand. Yeah. Football-wide. Yeah, it would take winning. Now, Houston, Texas is not a great name for nationwide success. But when Bob McNair named the team, his vision was to become the team of Texas.
Starting point is 02:25:22 That has not come to fruition and it has not come close. And the number one reason is they have not won. I mean, all those teams that I named that are heritage brands of, of football. We're talking about Super Bowls, winning. Green Bay Packers, a million NFL championships and a handful of Super Bowls. Steelers, six Super, what do they have? Five Super Bowls. Like, yeah, you win. Nobody, nobody's, there's no nationwide brand for the Minnesota Vikings. There just isn't. They haven't won. You've got to win. It's very, very simple, but it's also hard at the same time. The solution is
Starting point is 02:26:00 simple. Getting there is difficult. Win, win, win, and win some more. The Houston Astros have taken over this state. I'll give you an example. I lived in Austin when I was on campus when I went to UT around 2003 is when I started there. That was when you had Bizio and Bagwell and the Astros were making deep playoff runs and went to a World Series in 2005. Austin
Starting point is 02:26:28 Austin was an Astros town Then it became a Rangers town And now it's back to an Astros town It's all about who's good There are diehards But you have to remember Most people who are fans are casuals They put on the gear
Starting point is 02:26:46 They watch the games They pay attention a little bit more And most people like to watch winners Everybody likes to watch a winner Some people don't get to So yeah the more that you win, the more that you can be the bigger brand. It's very simple.
Starting point is 02:27:02 So if the Texans can get to and win a couple of Super Bowls somehow at some point in their history, and oh, while the Cowboys, they do have the disadvantage of the built-in Cowboys fan base, the Cowboys are making Super Bowls and winning, and that would be crazy if they ever played each other. The Cowboys are the biggest brand, and they have the bigger potential. but the Texans can win. That's all they have to do. They just have not done it. They have not gotten close, unfortunately.
Starting point is 02:27:35 I mean, you are this late in the game. Since 2002, you have not made an AFC championship game. It's embarrassing. It's embarrassing. And I'm not saying it's going to happen this year, but it feels like if they can win against Kansas City, offense can play a little bit better they have a Super Bowl
Starting point is 02:27:57 caliber winning defense and then you can get more fans whether it be in Austin, San Antonio, the Valley, where El Paso, whoever. Because all those places that I just named they're Dallas Cowboys hotbeds. Why? Because it's been ingrained
Starting point is 02:28:13 that Dallas Cowboys won at least previously. It can be generational as well. Fandom can be passed down from generation to generation. Of course kids these days, they march to the beat of their own drum give them something to root for kids love to troll their parents and root against their interests
Starting point is 02:28:29 so hey what better way to break a generational curse of cowboy fandom than have a good Texans team to root for but kids aren't going to root for a team that's 2 and 10 Las Vegas Raiders aren't picking up a bunch of fans right now who else is terrible Saints saints are horrible Arizona Cardinals
Starting point is 02:28:50 they have no national cachet or brand they made one Super Bowl that I can recall and they haven't won one. Go out there and as Al Davis would say just win baby and the fans will come.
Starting point is 02:29:06 Happened with the Astros it can absolutely happen with the Texans. All right, we went a little long there so we are going to take a break and then we're going to get to the NFL rewind in the next segment. You guys want to get in, you can. 713-212-5-790 is the phone number.
Starting point is 02:29:21 7-1-3-212. We'll take a look around the league Coming up next here on the Matt Thomas show With Ross On the not Matt Thomas show with Ross On the not Matt Thomas show On Sports Talk 790 Before you start
Starting point is 02:29:47 Matt told me to tell you next time he's out He says That hurts my feelings when he says Matt Thomas show with Ross without Matt. Why? He just wants you to say that Matt's not here. Don't hurt the messenger. I'm just, I'm good.
Starting point is 02:30:03 She's so weird. You're not here. How can, and you know what? I say that out of respect for him. Because the show is named after him, and that's fine. I'm the little whatever back pocket guy named Ross. It's the Matt Thomas show with Ross. and so out of respect
Starting point is 02:30:23 I still call the show the Matt Thomas show when he's out but I just add that without Matt Thomas because he's not here it can't be with Mick and that's also a play on
Starting point is 02:30:35 with Ross without Matt Thomas because he's not here how could I possibly how should I frame this he wants to say and Matt is out just be like
Starting point is 02:30:47 it's the Matt Thomas show with Ross and Matt is out How is that at all materially different from saying without Matt Thomas? I didn't ask any questions. Okay. He told me to tell you when he was out next time. I'm going to say it the way, you know what?
Starting point is 02:31:00 You want to say it right? Come back. All right? Sit in this chair and you say whatever you want. It's the Matt Thomas show with Ross, without Matt Thomas. He will be back. And I always clarify when I say it. He'll be back tomorrow.
Starting point is 02:31:13 He's out with, I don't know what he's doing. He's getting some Cyber Tuesday deals. Whatever he's doing, he's not here. He'll be back tomorrow. Rockets will be back in action tomorrow as well. They got home late last night from Utah. So Matt Thomas is out today. Anywho.
Starting point is 02:31:29 We were going to do the NFL rewind here in just a second. I did get a tweet from Joan. San Antonio will never be a Texans fan base. See, I think you under, now first of all, obviously, San Antonio is a Dallas Cowboys foothold. Why is it a, why? Why is it a Dallas Cowboys foothold? because they won.
Starting point is 02:31:52 I'm not saying the Texans will take over the San Antonio. But long term of generations, if they're winning Super Bowl after Super Bowl after Super Bowl and the Cowboys aren't doing anything, over time they could definitely go from probably close to 0% fan base in San Antonio to whatever, 30, 40, 50% depending on how much winning you're doing. I'm saying it's possible.
Starting point is 02:32:15 I would never say that's impossible. It would take winning to a, very high degree for the Texans to do that. Everything is yours for the taking if you win. That's just period. When it comes to the NFL. All right. Anyways,
Starting point is 02:32:30 NFL rewind. Let's go ahead and look at a number of different things. We talked about this a couple of times early on the show, but I think it bears repeating. Jackson Dart getting blown up by the Patriots a couple of times in that game. Literally, did you see, it
Starting point is 02:32:47 was, you ever watched the Manning cast? Eli and Peyton Manning. They're like, Jackson Darts got to stop running. Like, he's right he does. He's got to learn in this league that you need to go down. You got to slide. Literally, like, five seconds later, he gets crushed into the backfield. Like, he starts to go down, but he takes a big hit.
Starting point is 02:33:06 He's like, yeah, like that. And then later on in the game, Jackson DART is going down the right side line. If you see the end zone view, you can tell he should have gone out of bounds like five yards before he did. Yeah. He gets absolutely crushed. Eli and Peter are like, oh my God, what is he doing? Jackson Dart said, oh, I'm sorry, two all-time. Okay, Eli Manning's not an all-time great, but he did win two Super Bowls.
Starting point is 02:33:31 An all-time great quarterback and a guy who knows a little bit about quarterbacking who won two Super Bowls. Eli Manning are telling you to stop taking all these hits. And Jackson Dart says, nah, I'm good. Look, I'm going to keep playing aggressive. No, hopefully everybody can take a second to watch my take. they're going back to high school and realize that this is not a shock. Like, I play the game aggressively. I took one hit that people are talking about.
Starting point is 02:33:58 I slid, got out of the way of a lot of hits. So I appreciate people, you know, wanting to, you know, me to be healthy and all that stuff. And I want to be healthy too. But I play this game aggressive. So I'm not going to just change how I play the game. I'm Jackson Dart. I'm 22 years old. I'm the hot shot first round.
Starting point is 02:34:18 I'm in the toast of New York. I know better than you, Hall of Famers. Okay. All right, Mr. Dart. Oh, my God. Sorry, Early Holland just missed. I'm watching Fullman Man City.
Starting point is 02:34:31 Look at this, guys. Early Holland just missed a sitter. I mean, my, I mean, he opened it up for himself. All right, let's move on. All right, let's, you know what? It's the football rewind, right? Talking about Early Holland missing shots. Terrible.
Starting point is 02:34:43 All right. Anyways, moving along in NFL. circles. The Kansas City Chiefs have lost their last game. They did against the Cowboys. They are 6 and 6 now. And Andy Reed
Starting point is 02:34:59 was asked questions about winning out to make the playoffs. Here it is with the reporter's question. I'm sure you've looked at the standings. This isn't your first rodeo. You know that you pretty much have to win the next five games. If you lose one, you're going to need a lot of help to get into playoffs.
Starting point is 02:35:16 What's your level of confidence that things can start going your way and that you can win these next five games in a row. Yeah, well, I believe that. I mean, I believe you come, if you're coming to me on this, Matt, I'm telling you, we're going to go after you every game. And, you know, that's how we roll. We're going to try to tickle your tonsils on every play, every game. And, but that's the attitude that we're coming in with.
Starting point is 02:35:44 And then you let the chips fall where they may. But at the same time, you've got to make sure you take care of the small things here that we've got rolling. We've got to make sure that we get rid of some of these mistakes. But there's not a game that I go into that I don't think we're going to get after you. We're going to tickle your tongue. What does that mean? I guess like, you know, getting your face and your mouth, but like, you know, I'm going to say that I'm going to punch you now. We're going to tickle your tonsils every game down the stretch.
Starting point is 02:36:13 Like, I don't even know he's going to make out with you. what is he tickling the tonsils with I'm out of loss for Andy Reed is he from? Is he from the song? I don't know. I don't even want to Google search tickle tonsils on my work laptop. I'm not trying to get red flagged by the FBI.
Starting point is 02:36:40 So I don't know where that came from. But there you go. Andy Reed says that the the Kansas City Chiefs are going to tickle your tonsils. I got a persistent, irritating sensation on the back of your throat that can be caused by several things. What does that mean, though? What does that mean in a football context?
Starting point is 02:36:59 I guess it's just, like, it's just going to be irritating. Like, you're going to be irritating, you're going to be always, like, persistent. Oh, you're going to be irritating. Oh, they're going to be persistent. Yeah, that was, I don't know. Chiefs scheduled down the stretch, home for the Texans on Sunday night football, home for the Chargers at the Titans, home for the Broncos. than at the Raiders.
Starting point is 02:37:19 It's winnable. Big ones being, of course, the Broncos and the Texans, well, and the Chargers, and they get all of those games at home. Hopefully, Texans can pull another upset this weekend on Sunday night football.
Starting point is 02:37:34 All right, elsewhere in the NFL, some news. Apparently, Teron Matthew is interested in a reunion with the Houston Texans. I do know this. The Texas, The Texas, the way the Texans play defense?
Starting point is 02:37:49 You. Man, listen, I'll come back to play for a defense like that. Are you ready to come back? I mean, for the right situation, who wouldn't? That's the Honey Badger, right? Yes, Taran Matthew, the Honey Badger. He retired earlier. Wasn't he in camp, I think, with the Saints?
Starting point is 02:38:04 I think he was, yeah, exactly. He's like, ooh. Yeah, you know what, guys, I'm going to go ahead and retire. It's like, who was that Buffalo Bills DB the other year? He retired like at halftime. I don't think of his name into my head. I can't think about it. Hold on.
Starting point is 02:38:21 I'm literally looking at it up right now. Yeah, Vonte Davis. Yes. They were getting their ass kicked. He's like, yeah, guys. You know, team on three? One, two, three. Me.
Starting point is 02:38:32 I'm out of here. See you guys. Vonte Davis said one, two, three, Cancun at halftime. That's basically what, at least Tyron Matthew didn't do it at halftime. I think he did it in training camp. 33 years old. yeah he was like yeah we're good
Starting point is 02:38:50 I'm gonna go but Tyron Matthew back in a Houston Texan's uniform says he's interested you would have to make a trade because he's on the reserve retired list
Starting point is 02:38:58 if the Texans were interested in doing that I don't even can you even do that past a trade deadline can you retire a retired player or how would that even work I don't even know I don't know the ins and out to this
Starting point is 02:39:07 yeah I don't even know that was the thing I don't know anything about any of this all right any who moving along over the weekend of the NFL some big games. Well, you knew the
Starting point is 02:39:19 Thanksgiving results that we had with the Cowboys beating the Chiefs. As predicted, by one Mr. Jonathan Allen. Congratulations to you. Y'all need to get with the program. You have a new leader in the AFC South. The Tennessee Titans, I mean, can you show up?
Starting point is 02:39:36 I guess they didn't both times against the Texas. They kind of showed up the second time, but not really. Texas were just terrible. What's going to with the Jaguars leading the AFCI. They get the Colts at home Then they play the Jets at home Who are terrible of course
Starting point is 02:39:51 At the Broncos and at the Colts again And then the Titans at home So it'll be interesting to see how this shakes out Texans need to beat the Colts again They split with the Jaguars already Who do you think right now Jonathan the favorite in the AFC South Texans
Starting point is 02:40:09 Ooh Ooh Because the Colts and Jagu are going to play each other twice. Yeah, and actually, you know what? I'm a shout out because I was listening to 18. Okay, he's laying it out. Yeah, and he was putting the perspective.
Starting point is 02:40:25 I think he was in the morning with Cole and Dan, and he was saying that they had those two tiebreakers, so the Texans just need to win this game with the Chiefs, and they have it. Okay. Hopefully it can happen this weekend. I'm feeling good. I'm just letting it bubble.
Starting point is 02:40:39 I'm letting it, I'm letting it simmer. I'm not bringing it to a full boil, but I'm just planting the seed for you, folks. could the Texans win the AFC the Patriots are major favorites Broncos didn't look like world beaters
Starting point is 02:40:54 when they came in and Davis Mills threw like 30 passes in that game I'm just saying I'm not saying it's going to happen I'm saying it's feeling possible all right quick break here on the Matt Thomas show
Starting point is 02:41:06 with Ross without Matt Thomas because he's not here we're going to take quick break Ross Villar with you Jonathan Allen is here You know what? We're not playing, believe it or not. So if you want to get in real quick, you can.
Starting point is 02:41:17 713-212-5-790 is the phone number. Final segment coming up next. Jonathan Allen will be happy to know. Manchester City have taken a 1-0 lead over Fulham. Okay, okay, okay. Hey, you know what? I'm going to get you on a Premier League band landing. You want to come root for winners, baby?
Starting point is 02:41:36 Manchester Sita. I'm more of a La Liga guy, but, you know. Oh, La Lala Liga, who's your squad? I don't have a squad, though. Barcelona? I like how they play better, though. I was always with, I was always a Barcelona. I mean, I used to watch Messi when he was there.
Starting point is 02:41:47 Like, I knew that I was watching. Messi is the greatest professional sports person that I've ever seen in my life. Like the best at sports at whatever you want to call it. He was better at his sport than anybody I've ever seen. And I knew that. So I would watch be in sports. I would record all the Barcelona games. And I would sit there and watch because I knew I was watching something that was special.
Starting point is 02:42:12 and that would not last forever. Yeah, and I was always a messy guy playing FIFA back in the day. I was always, you would. You would be cheesing with Mephy, messy? No, because I... Dribbling past everybody
Starting point is 02:42:23 and curling in left-handed, left-footed shots. You know, Ronaldo, I didn't really like him. You know, I wasn't a fan of his game. Oh, he's good. No, I'm not... No, just credit, but I'm just... When they had Gareth, Bail and Binzema, and those are great teams, too.
Starting point is 02:42:36 I used to watch the Real Madrid games, too, because I was watching... Look, I'm Messi is better than Rualo, though, but Ronaldo was all-time. great too. So yeah, I would record those games and watch. I mean, this is why I'm sitting in this chair, because I love sports. I like watching
Starting point is 02:42:50 all-time great special stuff that I know I'm not going to be able to see for a long time. So, anyhow, I was a Barcelona guy when Messi was there, and I mean, I kind of soft route for Barcelona. Real Madrid's the evil empire, but they're pretty darn good, too. All right, anyways, Alex
Starting point is 02:43:07 has been holding and wants to get on. So Alex, what's up? you know ross you've had some weird ass phone calls today uh people really dig in and mining and trying to like uh i don't know man nobody even said innunaki so i was kind of disappointed or talked about like the arctic wall but what about planet naburu you see there was so much meat on that bone and they just like got hung up on patriotism Colin Kaepernick god what the hell was that anyway um just to just to kind of wash that away i'm 39 years old i'm dating this girl you live in the houston area can you can you can you shoot me a couple of cool places that i could take her 30 oh um okay
Starting point is 02:43:50 hold on let's let's talk about you don't want to drink too much is that what you said yeah we like nice things we like more nice places okay so you're looking you're looking for like fine dining nothing too fancy oh why is what is this Um, okay, uh, what time, uh, so do you want to go to like a cocktail bar? You're trying to look for a restaurant. Like, what exactly are, are you looking for? You want some, like, just some Mexican food, you want, something like that, a hidden gym that I don't know about. Hidden gym that you don't know about. Oh, man, I'm not, hmm. I'm trying to think of like a date place. Like, there are some restaurants, like, they're more like divey type places that I, um, what about the one we saw and that's a lot? I'll go over there next to the Westheimer, off post oak. We went with the... Oh, you're talking about the conservatory? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 02:44:45 Oh, it's not the conservative. Is it called the conservatory? Yeah, it's called the conservatory and gallery. Have you heard of that, Alex? It's a place, it's kind of like a food court, and you can walk around and go a bunch of different places. You can choose different foods. They have booze, and it's kind of cool to walk around. Good job, Jonathan.
Starting point is 02:45:00 They also have... Perfect. I mean, it's like post Houston is kind of like that. You have been a post? No. Yeah. Okay, yeah. It's a bunch of different restaurants. Like, I hope that, it was it, Ethiopian, whatever West African place it was in there, oh my God, it's going to change your life. That was so good. Go ahead. I appreciate it. One last thing. I've been saying this for about two years now. I don't understand what the hangup is or what, what's stopping y'all. But I would love to watch y'all on YouTube or Twitch or something. There's another show. I'm not going to say which. My shift starts at noon, so I wake up a little bit later in the afternoon.
Starting point is 02:45:40 And I enjoy watching another show at the beginning of the day. And it's great. But whenever y'all come on, I switch over to y'all. I wish that I could just watch y'all too, man. It would be great. You and Matt on TV, Jonathan as well, man. It needs to happen. Even if it's just like not on Space City Home Network, it was just something low budget.
Starting point is 02:46:04 I don't care. We would watch it up. I would like to, and I'm honestly not sure how much I'm allowed to divulge about that. Let's just say there are technical roadblocks that we are not sure we want to jump over here. That's really the only way I can phrase it. It has to do with the audio. I would love to have a stream. I mean, we literally have cameras on in here.
Starting point is 02:46:31 You can check out our good friends Adam and Adam on Space City. home network. We have the capability. We have the technology. Also, we would have to hire another producer to work it. And then, you know, you'd have to hire a couple of staff to work on something like that as well. What's Charlie Polillo doing? Charlie Polillo is not going to show up and produce our television. But that's a good, no, thank you. We just heard back from Charlie. There you go. All right, Ross. Well, I love the show, man. Love you guys. Y'all have a good one, man. All right, thank you. Appreciate it, Alex.
Starting point is 02:47:06 Alex, send me a DM on either Instagram or Twitter, and I will get back to you with a list. Because I have a couple of places. I also don't want to give away a bunch of free plugs. And I'm a gatekeeper. I'm just kidding. I was just kidding. I'm not.
Starting point is 02:47:23 No, sir. I bring you to all the good places, don't I? Everywhere I brought you, being good. That's because I'm in the circle. That's different. No, no, no. You're not in any circle, John. I'm just kidding.
Starting point is 02:47:32 I'm just kidding. I am not a gatekeeper. I'm not. If a place is good, I don't like it. But, you know, Matt Thomas gets mad when we put free plugs on this. I don't want to plug a station. I'm actually legally not supposed to. It's called Plugola.
Starting point is 02:47:46 I'm not supposed to legally plug a place and not get paid for it. I can't do that. Not that they would give me underhanded payments or anything, but that wouldn't be bad. But I also actually would be very illegal. Don't do that. Thank you. All right. Anyways, Alex, yeah, send me a DM at SportsRV on either Instagram or Twitter.
Starting point is 02:48:03 I'll drum up a list of some places. I got some ideas for you if you're looking for some nice restaurants around the Houston area. All right, well, I guess on that note, that's going to do it for the Matt Thomas show here on Sports Talk 790 with Ross, without Matt Thomas?
Starting point is 02:48:21 Because he wasn't here today. He'll be back tomorrow. Don't you worry your pretty little heads about it. 10 to 2 here tomorrow on the Matt Thomas show where we'll probably get Coach Udoca. I don't even know what the heck's going on. Matt sends emails. I don't read them. So we got some other fun stuff going on as well. He'll be back. I will be back as well. Jonathan Allen will be here. Thanks so much to all of you for listening.
Starting point is 02:48:43 Thanks so much to those you called, tweeted, got involved in the show. I do really appreciate it. Thanks to Chris Gordy for showing up. Reverse thanks to the Adams for not showing up and not responding my text. They're coming up next at 2 o'clock. They are called the A team. Don't go anywhere.

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