The Matt Thomas Show with Ross - The Matt Thomas Show: Last Dance Episodes 5 And 6, Don Shula Passes Away, College Football Practices Resuming, and Korean Baseball League

Episode Date: May 4, 2020

Matt and Ross talk the latest on the Last Dance documentary, Don Shula's coaching legacy, the latest on baseball, and Bun-B calls into offer his thoughts.

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Oh, that's right. He already a diva. Yeah. I thought about Garrett Jones on Air. It's fine. It's whatever. Garrett Jones on radio, Garrett Jones, Future Star.

I mean, whatever you want to put in. That's fine. All right. So that's where you can find him as well. We are with you, as I said, until 3 o'clock, where today we will get into Monday's our big recap day of the weekend. So Rossi, how was your weekend besides the explosive, exciting, entertaining sports RV Saturday?

I mean, it was just amazing. 10 to 12, sports talk 790. Live it, love it, listen. And also listen to Space City Saturdays at noon afterwards. outside of that I did almost nothing and it was fantastic I think I watched less television this weekend that I have watched probably since this whole thing you started I watched a fair amount of television I did a lot of relaxing I took a nap after my show and then I stayed up late and then slept almost all day

yesterday so I'm feeling good oh I did try to go to the grocery store and there was a line wrapped around the wrapped around the HB so I just I just walked back into my car and said I'll figure this out some other I'll have to eat something else Was there some sale going on or something? No, I think it was just the, you know, coronavirus thing going on. They kind of make everybody, I think, I don't know if there were one limiting the people coming in or what, but they weren't letting people in without a mask, which is fine. I had a mask.

And then they were, there was just a line wrapped around the grocery store. Hmm. Maybe there was an appearance by an Astro or a rocket or something. I don't know if the H.E. Buddy was there or what's that guy's name? That guy that's unfunny and on the commercials? You mean Scott McCollin? Yeah, that guy. He owns the place.

Yeah, he's terrible. Maybe he was there. I don't know what was going on, but I was like, I'm not about to wait in line for this. So I just left. The plan for me was to go day drinking on Saturday. I had one very large beer, and that's all I really could handle. I was asleep within 45 minutes of being home. That's good.

Long and hard. Well, you're a cheap date, man. That's fine. It is. They called me cheap date, Thomas back in the day. Yes, they did. And it wasn't because of you. No, it was because of the –

Yeah, it's spent a lot of money on me. All right. So let's get to, what we talk about, man, what a great game from this weekend. Or wow, I can't believe that happened. We haven't done that in 50 days. 50 plus. Give her take. So what are we looking forward to?

Every Sunday night between 8 o'clock and 10 o'clock is the last chance for romance. Yeah. I feel like they, I know they're only supposed to do 10 episodes, but you know what? I'm okay if they want to expand it. If they want to do 10 more, I'm okay with that. Give me the first season of the Chicago Bulls without Michael Jordan, the Tim Floyd era. it was painful. Do you really want that?

Eh, that's probably not. Who's the next one? Who's the next NBA team after that? Would it be, I don't want to hear about the Spurs for a decade. Lakers Shack Dynasty. Ooh, that'd be good. It'd be really good, especially for me. The inter-term oil and all that.

Right. Yeah, because there's, you know, obviously with the passing, a lot of fences have been mended and whatnot, but clearly Kobe and Shaq didn't get along for a lot of their career at all. Yeah, I mean, a lot of professional jealousy, a lot of, there's one basketball should be in my hands kind of thing. But it's good that they were able to come to some. And I think they did when he was still obviously living,

come to an agreement appreciation for each other. But yeah, that probably is the next one on the list. The behind the scenes of Kobe and Shaq. And I think Kobe's last season has been filmed. So that'll be made into some kind of documentary. And then I think Magic Johnson was talking about something too. The Celtics Lake. I know that's already been done.

They did a three part 30 for 30 on that. That was really good. That was really good. Because it was from an LA perspective and also from a Boston perspective. Sorry. Yeah, we got Ice Cube's perspective, luckily. So, I mean, we were all set there. And it was a Walbert doing the Boston side of it, right?

Yes. I always get those two guys confused. With the Walbergs? Yeah. Why? Mark's the one that's actually still famous. And then there's just Donnie. And Donnie's married to the blonde, right?

I have no idea who he's married to. I just know he used to be a new kid on the block. Donnie's married to who's that blonde? She's hot. She's a little older. She's the one that doesn't believe in vaccinating her kids. You're going to have to be way more specific. Former playmate model.

She was on an M. I'm Googling it for you. She was on MTV. Jenny McCarthy? Jenny McCarthy, yeah. She's an anti-vaxxer? Oh, yeah. Yeah, she dated Jim Carrey for a long time.

Okay. So now she's married to Donnie Wall. You were on top of the sexual history of Jenny McCarthy and Carmen Elektra. Goats? For a slight. Lightly olders, yeah. Tier two. Who's tier one?

For me? I'll let you think about it. I'll let you think about it. Sophia Vergara. Those two, those two 20 years ago, oh my God. I mean, smoke shows. Complete smoke shows. All right.

So a couple of observations from the last dance from last night. Go ahead. You know, LeBron gets criticized for being petty and jealous and vain. Self-centered. And short-fews. and all that kind of thing. MJ's right there with him. That's why they're the alpha dogs of all time in the NBA.

Yeah. Because every time Jerry Krause liked something, Michael Jordan wanted it destroyed. Case in point. Dan Marley. Poor Dan Marley. I mean, Dan Marley was a nice NBA player. No, I hated Dan Marley, though.

I'm talking about it in terms of accomplishment. Okay, I still hated him, though. He didn't bother me as much. Yeah, as the kids would say, punchable face. You know my favorite Dan Marley moment is? When he got a towel thrown in his face by Robert Ory? No, because, no, it was so we were flying. I was going from Houston and Las Vegas and we had to change planes in Phoenix.

And I happened to get a first class upgrade in this airline called America West. It's now, I think it's U.S. Airways now. They've merged. And my father-in-law and I got the first class upgrade and Dan Marley was pissed because he couldn't get his upgrade. Oh, really? You got upgraded over Dan Marley? So he was in coach. And I can hear him just.

I can't believe it. How did I not get this upgrade? I was laughing my ass. Granted, it was only a hour flight. Las Vegas and Phoenix is one hour. If you can't sit in coach for one hour, you are a super ultimate diva. Well, not when you're Dan Marley.

But Dan was a good NBA player. They certainly sold them as a defensive stalwart. I didn't necessarily remember that, but it is what it is. Wait, there was Danny Aange. You got a towel thrown in his face, not Dan Marley. Yeah, you're mixing, but it was a son at least. I was mixing my white guys that we hated.

on NBA teams. Oh, he's the all-time goat on that, right? We hate Danny Age. We hate Danny Age on multiple teams. I mean, he was playing when I was like three, so I don't really hate him. I despised him as a Celtic. I despised him as a son, and I even hated him as a Sacramento king. Multiple levels of-

Even as a king? Oh, sure. I don't even know he played for the Kings. Yeah, yeah. Was it the Kansas City Kings? No, it was Sacramento, for sure, for sure. Okay, so poor Dan Marley. I mean, good NBA player, maybe even an All-Star.

who knows. So Jerry Cross likes him. What did Michael Jordan want to do? Destroy him. And Michael Jordan did. Next, the Olympics, 1992. Actually, a year before. There was this player that the Chicago Bulls drafted in the second round, not first

round, not lottery, but second round. His name was Tony Kukach. Kukach. Kukach. That's what everybody called him. Back the end of the day. And Michael Jordan found out that they liked that Tony Kukukkach. coach was a guy that was going to be on the

Bull's radar at some point. So what did they do during the Olympics? They destroyed him in that first game. He and Scotty both. Scotty was really pissed because they were going to give Tony Coochoch the kind of money that Scotty Pippen wanted. Now, granted, they went and played each other in the

gold medal game and Tony Cooch did a much better job. Yeah, I'd never heard that story. I'd heard a million times about how they'd crush Tony Cooch in the initial meeting. And I'd never really recall that he played and apparently showed himself much better in the championship game. Can I tell you something? Look, again, I was not an avid follower of the Chicago Bulls,

except for the final runs, obviously. But I'm finding out new stuff all the time. Me too, yeah. Do you think when you've watched a sports center right after the show? I had it on, and I actually had it on mute, until I saw Charles Barkley came on, and then I turned it off mute. So they put Wilbon and Jackie McMullen on. Yeah.

Almost every week. Okay, I didn't know that. And they give out the interpretation that they were right there for everything. that they knew everything that was going on, and that Michael would co-da to Michael Wilbott, Michael Jordan would go to Michael Wilbott and say, remember I told you this? I mean,

there's a part of me that believes they're embellishing just slightly. A little revisionist history from both of them? Because Jackie McMone is a respected NBA runner, but she writes for the Boston Globe. What's the point of having a relationship with players from other teams? It's not like she sees, she went and saw Michael Jordan play 20 times in a season. I mean, she was kind of a national columnist.

She was for ESPN for a while, right? Yeah, but this is talking 20 plus years ago. These are these stories that I'm hearing about, it's like, yeah, Michael Wilbon's like, yeah, I remember after the game, he, Michael Wilbon pulled my tie and said, remember I told you was going, I mean, it was just kind of like, were you that connected to Michael Jordan? Columnist for the Washington Post, was that, was that connected to Michael Jordan? Because I mean, this is pre-SPN. This is pre-before those reporters were on those shows.

It just seemed kind of funny that all of these things were, were of, great intimacy to those people. And again, if they are, then that's good. But it just felt like, man, you were really there for that? I guess it was more startled than anything else. Okay. It sounds like, sounds like you're jealous, but I'm like, damn, the traveling budgets must have been great back in the day. Oh, they were for the news, yeah, for the papers, I'm sure. It'd be like Brian, it's like Brian T. Smith talking about, yeah, Tom Brady and I were, in the media availability and Tom came over to Brian T and said, remember, I told you, you're going to throw for 300 yards against the Chiefs, and I did.

Just some random reporter he's out, you know, having building this relationship with. I mean, I don't know. I don't know what Michael Wilma. Was he a national report? No. Because Washington Post has a national NBA reporter, right? Yeah, but I don't think they probably did in 1998. Okay.

I don't know. I don't know. It's just doing things to me that were just kind of like me. Maybe things were different back in the day, Matt. They clearly were. Because there was a lot smaller media. Yeah, you could shoot quarters with the security guy. That was creepy.

Why was it creepy? Because Michael likes to gamble on everything. And I actually love that about Michael. He just can't sit still. I'll gamble and throw him some quarters. I'll do it right. I'll do it during this break. Right now. Let's throw some quarters right now.

I don't even know how the game works, though. Whoever gets closest to the wall without bouncing it off? It depends on how your rules you set up. It's like throwing dice. And when the security guard wouldn't participate, Michael insulting him by calling him Jerry Kraus. Yeah. And then all the hair in that hair that guy had. I mean, it was just.

He had a beautiful hair. Did you notice? He was wearing two belts. I didn't notice. Yeah. I don't know. Well, I didn't notice either until the Internet pointed it out. Well, for whatever reason, he's wearing two belts.

And he's like, that money's going to roll right into my pocket. That was great. Yeah, we got to talk about Michael and Gamble. We got to talk about Michael and Gamble. Okay. We do. Of course. Got a lot to get to today.

Other things on the conversation, no international games in the NFL this year. And apparently, maybe no booze at NFL games this year. A former American League slugger sports RV comes to the sort of defense of the Houston Astros. Chris Carter? Would you call Chris Carter a slugger? He had like 40 home runs one year. That's true. And one of the great all-time coaches in NFL history has passed away.

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And again, on Twitter, at SportsMT and at SportsRV. Don Chula passing away today at the age of 90. One of the all-time winning is coaches in NFL history. Last coach to lead a perfect. team when the 72 dolphins went 14 and zero. And one was in the past on a believe it or not alive or dead. Yeah. And did the person get it right or wrong?

I don't recall that. It's funny. Joe George says in the studio this morning, he goes, man, I'm so sick and tired of those guys every year from 72 popping the champagne because of their perfect season. I said, man, you got to worry about it. They'll have those guys are dead. They can't pop any champagne. But first of all, they're not alive.

And secondly, their night nurse is not going to open the champagne for it. And what's the big issue? Let them have a good. I love to have their season. Yeah, well, you got to remember, though, well, you don't maybe not remember, but in the, like, mid-80s to early 90s when teams were winning a bunch of games,

these dolphins players would make it a public spectacle. Yeah, I guess if you want to make it about yourself, it's a little much. And they absolutely did. I definitely get that. Yeah. So it hasn't been that big of a deal as of late because there just haven't been that many teams

that have gone to run through the schedule. But, yeah, it was a big deal for a while. They would come to our house. Like, I remember one time the bears were under defeated on a Monday night game went to Miami and Marino beat them. And they couldn't have a good enough time. That was, that was the 86, 15 and one bears, right? Right, yeah.

Yeah. So 85 and 85 bears. Yeah, it's happened a few times. I think the Patriots lost one time one year or something like that. I mean, there have been a lot of different teams that have gotten really, really close. Yeah, it was 2007. They went 16 and 0 and then lost the Giants, right? Yeah.

So, when you think of Don Shul, is he, I mean, he's obviously, one of the greats, but Joe and I were having this very lighthearted conversation. If you were to go to a quick list of coaches I want to have coach my team to that one big victory, I don't know if Don Shulah is on the top of that list.

Winning us coach of all time, took multiple teams to a Super Bowl. Two Super Bowl championships? Did he want one with the Colts? No. Okay, that's only one there. He took them there, though, and lost, right? Yeah, he took the Dolphins to two, or actually more than two. Well, he was an NFL champion coach, I guess, with the Colts.

Yeah, because he won one with the dolphins. In 72, he lost the only one when the marino was in an 83. I just, what is your quick list? I don't know anything about Don Chula. I mean... Okay, well, then you're probably going to answer that. I mean, yeah, he stopped being a head coach.

Like, when I think of the coaches that I need to win a Super Bowl game for me, it's Belichick, it's Bill Walsh. Yeah. It's the guys who've won the most Super Bowl. Lombardi, obviously. Chuck Knoll, I guess. People would bring that. Chuck Knoll would be one.

Who else is I forgetting about? Not Dick, there was something. Bill O'Brien. No, Bill O'Brien was, oh, Parcells would be on my list. Probably. That's a good. Well, Parcells, you know who was under him. No, I don't want to bring it up.

No, I'm talking about Bill Belichick. Oh, okay, yeah. What were you going to say? I was thinking about the O'Brien. Romeo Cornell? Yeah, yeah. Point being is this, he was one of the all-time greats. When I was a growing up,

watching the NFL. He'd win, his dolphins would win 10, 11, 12 games every year. I mean, it was like clockwork. And then they would

figure out a way to fizzle out in the most part for the Super Bowl. Getting there, not getting there. So to me, really great,

offensive innovator. People, you know, lived and died by every word he said. Obviously, a hero in South Florida. But if you're going to,

if you're going to give me a coach on that Super Bowl, top five, I need him to coach and winning me a game. I don't know if Shula was in that top five. doesn't make him bad, just saying that some guys are better in late January than other coaches are.

I don't know because I just don't really have much of a record. He stopped coaching in 95. Yeah. But, I mean, you can't go against all-time winningists. You can't go against taking multiple. I like that. I like coaches who succeed in multiple places. Like Andy Reid taking the Eagles to a Super Bowl and then doing the same with the Chiefs,

that means a lot to me. That means that you can change in different situations and different situations and different rosters in different cities and different towns and still be a success, I think that's huge. You mean, Super Bowls are just having success in multiple places? I guess, yeah, I mean, making it to the Super Bowl, I think it's huge. What you can count on one hand, the coaches that have done that, right, with multiple teams, it's Andy Reed, Dick Vermil and Shula, is that it?

Super Bowl appearances with multiple teams. Parcells never took the Patriots. Patriots and Giants. Patriots and Giants. That's right. There's another one. So Parcells. Landry was only with the Cowboys

Carol never did it when his earlier stops Holmgren, homegren, was Homegren the coach of Seattle when they went? Yeah, you are. So Home Green Bay and in Seattle. So it's not a lengthy list, put it that way. Okay, so we got everybody except for Dan Reeves and John Fox as well.

Probably I'm not going to put John Fox in that category. Although he did it. I mean, you know, it's in a rarefied group. All right. So, again, a legend, Don Shula Passing went the age of 90 years old. Also, did very well in the steakhouse business. That's right, Shulis. Yeah, which is down over the high ratings, you downtown.

Yeah, we ate at the, didn't we eat the breakfast buffet over there? We did quite well. Yeah. I crushed that breakfast buffet. Great, great memorabilia to it all these different places. He needed a nap after. Yeah, no question. All right.

Back to the last dance last night. Okay, so the jealousy factor was a huge part. Let's get to the gambling part real quick. Yes. I do believe when he says, I don't have a gambling problem. He has a competition problem. And sometimes if you're overcompetitive, you tend to slip up and make mistakes,

whether it be you're competing in a contest to eat, you're a contest to score as much you can in a trivia contest or play cards. I mean, if you're overcompetitive, it can be detrimental no matter what it is. His has happened to be golf and gambling. Yeah. And racking up millions of dollars of debt.

The one thing that I wish he didn't have his mitts on during this documentary is that part of his life. How bad did it get? How seeded it of the underworld did he get to because of his gambling debts? I guess we don't know. I mean, there's the book written by that one guy and then there's the other shady guy characters that he was getting involved in. and then they haven't addressed it yet. But I mean, there's that rumor that he got into huge debt, and that's why his father is dead. Well, the thing that came to mind, I'm sure we're going to get about the father's death the next episode.

It feels like the timeline is perfect on that. Are those guys in prison still to this day for shooting his father? Yes, I think one of them is up for parole or something. I was reading something. There was a story about this. I just saw it last week. Some former mob boss talking about how he had heard that that is what happened, that some mobsters got his father.

So would you think at some point we would ever be able to hear from those guys? Would they ever be able to come out and say, here's what really happened? I'm sure. I imagine they would have spoken out. I'm not sure. Well, they haven't yet, but I'm curious if, not that they would put that in there. But that's the one part I wish that he could have recused himself from in this part of this, is that, you know, how bad did it get?

Were there threats made on himself or his story? family because I just don't believe and they're going to, I think Ross, they're going to sell it to us that he just was tired. I don't think you just get tired if you are built the way that Michael Jeffrey Jordan has been built. I don't know. I think they're doing the good job of building it up and talking about the media pressure and how it's just, he's just kind of over it. It seems like he's over it at this point of the story. They're doing a good job of showing that. That's why I think they're leading us to is him just saying, I'm done. I'm great. But see, that's what my point is. I think they're trying to push us in that direction as compared to, I think there may have been some other

factors beyond that. Sure, is the media pressure intense. But yeah, it's been intense as he's first up on the court in 1984 with the Chicago Bulls. But it's building hugely because he's the hugest star in the league. He can't even, he can't walk anywhere without a mob of people coming after him. He basically has to be not only does he have to be like a movie actor or a musical act that has to be mobbed everywhere they go. he also has to be in peak athletic shape and compete every single night at various cities around the country.

It's a very unique position that he's in. LeBron does it now. Others have done it. Yeah. I just, I think when you are in charge of the production, you can send your retirement in a particular direction. Do I believe that all the things you just said were played a factor? Yeah. But something tells me there was some other things going on.

And that's the part of the last dance that I don't think will get any. clear answers to. Well, we'll see. The director said there was no question that he asked him that he didn't respond to. Okay. But if I go to you and say, did you have mob issues? And he says no, then they're going to say, okay, and we'll move on. Again, I don't think, I think when there's a Michael Jordan production in this,

all the tapes, there's going to be some things that were due not to be discussed. And I very highly doubt there will be a sincere push towards, was there gambling issues that enough to force him out. And if it didn't, if it didn't force him out, then there's nothing there to it. But there's enough people in the world that believe that even for a guy that's facing all the pressures that he faces a player, that there is, that the fact that there was some mob ties and or organized crime and or gambling debts, ties and or organized crime and or gambling debts that help push Michael Jordan to retirement more so than the, I'm fatigued. I'm tired of the pressure. But that's all. That's just people. That's people. That's

People's speculation and opinion at this point. We have no proof. Yeah, there's multiple. I mean, we can believe whatever we wanted to believe. Depending on, I mean, unless there's some bombshell coming in the next two weeks, we won't know. Because I don't think that. It's either going to be, I buy the story that it was just too much, and he was over it, and he felt like he proved everything that he could prove and he quit.

I could buy that. I could also buy that he got into it with some mobsters, and for whatever reason, wouldn't pay them. Maybe there was a dispute over how much he owed or something, and he refused to pay, and then they killed his father. I could buy that. I could buy that his father actually just happened to get carjacked and then there was gambling and David, Daniel, whatever Stern said,

hey, you need to move away from the league for a little bit until the heat comes off. I could buy all of that. I think I'll do that. I think I will say that all the things you just said were contributing factors. But him just pluckered, tired out, I don't buy his exclusive reason why he decided to give it up. 1230 in the Matt Thomas show 713-212-5-790 if you'd like to reach out to us today. 7-13-212-5-790. Tonight we've got another Monday night meeting on our Facebook page,

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howdy concerning Don Shula he was a wonderful coach. What he was not was a wonderful general manager. After they won the Super Bowl in Miami in what, 72, 73, at some point following that, he became his own general manager, and he never won another Super Bowl. He got to the playoffs, he came close, et cetera, et cetera,

but without somebody else, he couldn't get the talent that somebody else could have gotten for him. Okay. Hello? Yeah, it's fine. I mean, I can't argue with you. I don't have a vivid memories of him as a general manager. I know him as a coach, but not as a GM.

But yeah, the guy named Joe Thomas was his GM the first few years in Miami. And if Johnny United just hadn't got hurt at critical times, he probably won to one another couple of NFL titles as well. And how can you leave Lombardi off your list of five? I didn't. Oh, okay, good. Cool. Thanks. Thank you.

I was like, you said Lombardi. Yeah, I did. I did. Yeah, Matt. Yeah, I was talking about Super Bowl game day coaches. If you need somebody to win one game, yes. Yeah. Lombardi was on your list.

Lombardi was on the list. Lombardy was on the list. Bill Belichick. Bill Walsh. Man. And Bill O'Brien. No, not in the list. I mean, if Texans, Karen wants me to put Bill O'Brien on the list,

then she can follow, you know. she's going to be disappointed. Traveling Texans have Bill O'Brien on the top of the list. They just support their team no matter what, Matt. Clearly no matter what. Loyalty. Loyalty to the deep,

steel blue, the Liberty White, the Battle Red. Yeah. I love when they go to different cities and they put the Texans logo over the city decal they're in and then the Texans lose 47 to 10

or something like that. They're just traveling and have a good time, man. I don't know why you load these people so much. You're not the brightest people. I don't know. I haven't taken an IQ test of everybody in the traveling Texas. Take a look. It's not the brightest.

They obviously have a lot of disposable income, so they're doing okay for themselves. Yeah, that's really good. Unless they're taking out loans to be traveling all over to London and Jacksonville and all these places. Now, I'll say this. I will join traveling Texans when we go to Las Vegas. We got to be there for the first Texas. Are you going to go there with them? Are you going to meet up?

No. No, no. I've just probably probably been in the same area. Yeah, you're probably, you might get jumped. As much trash as you talk about them. You might want to stay away. I'm sure they're wonderful people. Wonderful.

Keith, North Houston on 790. Hi, Keith. Hey, good afternoon, guys. I got doing it. Good, what's going on? Not a whole lot. Hey, man. So I'm really, really, really enjoying this docu-series.

And obviously, I guess I better preface my comments by saying I am and always have been a Hughes Jordan fan. but, you know, obviously over years you forget some small things. And certainly, so this has kind of helped to highlight some of the points that I've been making with my son in regards to Jordan's greatness and not just because of scoring, but because his leadership and just the overall mentality that he had, his approach to life in general, because he talked about the gambling aspects of things with him, or as he puts it, he's got a competition.

problem, which, you know, I get all of that. But, yeah, so I'm really enjoying this. You know, one of the things I was going to ask you guys, how would you feel this morning if you were, obviously this is years ago, but being in the Adidas camp, realizing you could have had the world's greatest, not just basketball players, but probably one of the world's superstars because they weren't set up properly, as I think Jordan's agent put it, he was forced to go to Nike. I mean, that's got to be, like, one of the most embarrassing things,

and one of the huge is probably in sports history, at least in top five, to miss out on a guy like that because they weren't set up properly. But the last thing I'll say is you guys mentioned that the 92 Olympics team, and then how intense their practices were. That probably to me was the best and the telltale of all was when Jordan would talk noise to some of the world's best players, but his competition level was so intense that he was talking noise than their practice to get up under her skin.

And then more important, even Magic Johnson was like, I shouldn't have said what I said because the dude went on the score the rest of the points in the scrimmits. I mean, that to me is the type of guy that I would want to lead my, to lead any sports team that I'm on because he's, I mean, he was one of the best to ever do it by far in there. I can't argue. And that's why to me, I didn't need this, guys.

Thank you very much for the call, Keith. Ross, I didn't need this series to tell me that Michael Jordan was the greatest of all the time. Or crazed, crazy competitive. Yeah. There's just the behind-the-scenes stuff, I think it's just fascinating. But, you know, it's going to take, for me, maybe five more years of greatness for LeBron. I don't know. And maybe just because Michael was the guy I grew up with.

They're just, they have different personalities. They're different players. They're different. I mean, everybody compare. I think the more apt comparison between the players would be Kobe and Jordan. LeBron James is more of like a magic or Oscar Robertson type. But if you were to get to the argument and everybody, has had the argument, who's the greatest player in the history of the NBA?

If you were to take 50 level-headed-thinking NBA players or fans, you would get some... Of what age? I mean, mix it up. Between, say, 25 and 74. You're probably going to say Bill Russell. Or you're going to say... Let me finish. You're going to get some creams. You're going to get some wilts.

You're going to get some Bill Russell's. But I think the two at the top of the list are going to be LeBron, James, and Michael Jordan. If you took, and that's just my own personal opinion. I don't know. Well, that's what I'm saying. I think if you took 50, those are the two that in a muddled field would be above everybody else. I bet if you went and go, if you Googled best players in the history of the NBA and you went to 20 different websites, those two guys are going to be on the top two of the list more than the other three. Not saying the other three aren't, shouldn't be in the conversation.

We talked about this just the other day. If you were to, if you were to create the all-time team, you definitely, you know, that fifth spot. is still up for grabs, I still think the greatest debate of them all is right now, LeBron or Michael Jordan for most people. Doesn't mean it's right, but I'm just telling you, that's what it comes down to. So that's why, in my mind, if you force me, you held a gun to my head and said, who's your, who's the greatest, I still lean towards Michael Jordan because of the fact that he won the championships in such a short period of time.

Granted, it was with one team. He wasn't bouncing around from team to team to team like LeBron has done. but to me sustained excellence the go-to the ball is in your hand and you still win the game the exception of the Paxon shot

and a Steve Kershot's coming up and a Steve Kershot's coming up too it's just to me he's just the greatest but LeBron is right there and that's the thing as I can say that Michael is my all-time greatest NBA player but I can also respect the fact

that LeBron is making a serious charge Ross if LeBron wins a couple of titles with the Lakers he's going to move faster and faster up that list because one of the things that people do think is of great value is a winning championship with other teams not just one alone. And I think the Lakers, I mean, to have championships with three different teams, that's on the top of your resume, right?

Yes. Three different teams, three different coaches. I mean, if you want to, if you want to poke holes into the Michael Jordan resume, it would be that he never won without Scottie, he never won without Phil Jackson, he never won without the Bulls. That's right. But I don't know. I feel like you can argue it both ways.

Oh, if you had a debate and said, tell me why LeBron is better than Michael, you could do it. You could. That's the thing is that in this particular argument, you can't be, I'm sticking my foot in the sand on this and I'm not changing my view because both of them have exceptional bullet points to prove why they are the best that ever played the game. 1244, it is the Matt Thomas show.

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One school believes that, yeah, we're going to start the season right on time. It's a little adventure, sir. It's not Notre Dame. It's not USC. Lamar? It's not Michigan, not Lamar. North Texas? Yeah, not North Texas.

It's a little more high profile than that. Davos Sweeney's been adamant ever since all this started. But see, Davo doesn't work for the CDC. So, you know, I'm... How do you know that, Matt? Well, I mean, he is running a factory over there. He probably could take a couple days off a week and go work for them. But, yeah, there's a thought or two that one school is pretty, pretty ambitious that they're going to start the season on time.

I mean, there's even talk. The NFL season may not start on time. Schedule's supposed to come out between now and Friday. That's right, including preseason games. And if you did not hear no international games at this point. Let's go to KJ on 790. KJ, what's a good word? What's up, fellas?

I got a bad connection. Can you hear me? Yes, sir. Go ahead. Yeah, this is Reverend K's that, man. I was hit you guys up again. I wanted to chime in real quick about the internal and perpetual LeBron

Mike debate. I heard one of your calls, a couple of colleagues back mentioned that Mike is the type of guy that he would enjoy leading his team. I played, well, actually, I went to your alma mater briefly for a minute, Matt,

U of H as a football player, but I wound up transferring because me and Coach Elton, I don't remember, Kim Hilton at the time. Oh, I do. I do. Yeah, we had our personal issues at the time. But anyway, As a competitor, I look at the era that Mike played in. And Mike played an era to move with basketball from a popularity standpoint was at its peak.

With the all-time great-send win a game at the time, the birds, Salisias. Whether people liked the pissers back then or not, they served a purpose. Every superhero needs a villain. And the pissers back then in the league was the villain of the league. So they served their purpose, and they served it to a tee. I mean, actually, you can see somebody that animosity is still lingering with some of the comments that Horace Grant's made, Mike's made, some implied comments

that Barry had toward the piston. So they serve their purpose perfectly. But the reason why I put a Mike over LeBron is simply because Mike is the, you play sports, whether it be basketball, I don't care if it's water prologue, croquet, you play to compete

and to compete to be the best. To me, the thing that the lead nowadays, you know, for lack of better terms, is soft. with the game management, load management, there's no loyalty to the organizations that you play with. One of the first things Mike said when the documentary first started,

the very first episode was that he wanted to make Chicago as respected as the Lakers, the Celtics, and the 76th. He said himself, in addition to that, it's going to be a hard task, but it's not impossible. That lets you know he's willing to do whatever it takes to put his team over the stop. And that means sitting there, grinding it out until they draft the Pippen, until they draft until they get a John Paxon and put them on that mountain top. That doesn't mean go from this team because you don't like the players or the way the management

is doing their job. You bounce from team to team ring chases. And that's why to me, LeBron would never be in a conversation with Mike. But my last one before I go, Jalen Rose said, on get up one day. I don't know how we got to Mike and LeBron because LeBron has some other. guys sped before he's even in the conversation with Mike. Have we forgotten what Larry Byrd accomplished? And we forgot what Matthew Johnson accomplished. And we forgot what Kobe Bryant and Kreme Up do with Jamaica accomplished.

And I agree 100%. I want to see what you guys have to say about that point. And I'll be listening on the back end, fellas. And I'll say up. Thank you, KJ, and your connection worked out just fine. Again, it's a completely subjective, fun, interesting argument. Yeah, I'm okay with the argument that maybe there's others. LeBron has to pass.

He's past burden, Kobe. There's no doubt in my mind. I mean, we can argue that if you want to. Magic, I think there's an argument. The Kareem, there's definitely an argument because I keep bringing. All-time leading score, six-time champion, six-time MVP. Nobody ever talks about him being the all-time great. Not nobody, but it's rare.

But anyways, the biggest argument, whether you believe it or not, and my pushing Weld and Kareem out of the mix, is that Michael and LeBron have played in a generation of basketball that, is considered the best in the history of the sport. Yeah, the players are bigger, stronger, faster, whatever. So that's why those guys get pushed back a little bit. Because Willett dominated against very few people. I mean, Walt's biggest guy that would give him any sort of grief at all was frankly Bill Russell.

That was towards the back half of his career. So, you know, how many times did Wilt have to face tremendous odds in getting to do the things he wanted to do? And on top of that, we didn't see him ever play a live. It's also not his fault. Not his fault. That's right. But if you are putting together that list, you've got to have some parameters at some point. You just do.

You could make the argument relative to their peers, because that's all you can judge them by. Relative of their peers, Will Chamberlain stood alone and wasn't even close. The year he scored 50 points a game, second was like 32 points per game. But what I could say to this is that relative to his peers, Michael had great competition every single night. against most teams and excelled every single night. Wilts Chamberlain was still playing against the best basketball players in the world, as was Michael Jordan. But the game wasn't as defined as it is.

It didn't matter, no matter. Let's go back to KJ's point. Yeah. As far as the, I don't buy the ring-chasing thing anyway, either. I don't either. Gary Payton and Carl Malone on the 2004 Lakers, those guys were ring-chasing, right? Who is the, David West on the, Golden State Warriors. That's ring-chating.

Yeah. Well, not, Danny Green is a- he's a decent three-four. But I mean, like, players way past their prime, or Gary Payton was an NBA champion on the 2005 or 2006 Miami Heat, right? That's ring chasing. LeBron James is been the best player on whatever team he's ever

graced himself with. Until even now, with Anthony Davis being one of the best players in the world, and LeBron James 35. So, I mean, ring chasing is a little bit. No, there are things about LeBron that you can criticize. I would not consider him a ring chase. Do I think he gets bored?

Yeah. Do I think he's always looking for a challenge? But that might just be what today's athletes all about. Magic didn't get bored of her being Ameliker. He didn't. The only reason why Michael Jordan left the Bulls, frankly, is because obviously, maybe we'll find this out, the relationship between, well, Phil Jackson leaving was a huge part of it.

Obviously, the biggest part. But he had zero respect. for his general manager and probably little respect for his owner. LeBron, and Michael Jordan quit basketball in the prime of his career. Yeah. Like, why does anybody ever crush him for that? He literally said, I quit.

The greatest competitor of all time. The greatest player of all time. Willing to win all costs. He got up and walked away from the game. That's why I said I'm out. And nobody ever crushes him for that. That's why I don't buy the, I was tired. I think there's other factors to it.

I don't know what it is. It doesn't matter. The fact of the matter is he walked away from the game and everybody just remembers him and gets a pass for that. But then he came back, though, and picked up where he left off. LeBron James said, I'm tired of dragging Zildrunas-il-Gauscus and Eric Snow and Boobie Gibson and not making it anywhere. I'm going to go to a situation where I'm better.

Magic Johnson never left the Lakers because he had the greatest big man of all time and James Worthy, a Hall of Famer and all those other guys who were good, Michael Cooper and Byron's guys. Those were good players on those teams. He didn't have a reason to leave. So, I mean, we crushed LeBron James, I guess, or not me, for wanting to get in the best situation. In a society where we judge by rings, we're going to crush somebody for trying to get rings. Why?

And then we say nothing about Michael Jordan, who literally in the prime of his life, after winning three championships, got up and walked away and quit. I'm going to tell you something right now. Maybe the first or second best power forward ever to play the game. Karl Malone has zero rings. I don't use rings of determination. Does it help? Yeah. It's become the end-all be all, I think, for the most part.

But I don't penalize. It would help, but I don't penalize. Let's get the second hour started at the Matt Talbotel show here in a couple of minutes. If you'd like to join us, 713, 21, 212, 5, 790. 7. 713, 21, 5, 790. Some NFL news about scheduling, putting fans in the stands, and a major university is going to start practicing in another, two months the college football season because I think it's going to start in September.

It is the Matt Thomas Show. 713212-1-2-5-790. 7-13-212-5-7-90. Is the Matt Thomas Show. 103 on the Matt Thomas Show. Good to have you with us. Special shout-out to Cowboy Trab. What's up, bro?

What's going on? That's not you. I was just morning at you. Yeah, that's Cowboy Garrett. That's Gary. I want to call you Cowboy Tribe. You're Gary. You're just a regular old guy. I just heard cowboy in so much of the discussion.

His eyes lit up. If you're with us for a long time, we're going to have to have some problems because I just can't imagine a producer. It's such a loving cowboy fan. I wouldn't describe myself as the loving. It's a very love-hate relationship. All right. How about the red rifle is back in Texas, boys? Yay.

That's a good backup plan. It's a great backup plan. Three million dollars. Could be much as $7 million. Speaking of Andy Dalton. nine years in the Natty. That's lots of bad chili and lots of bad spaghetti. And he was actually...

Would you cut... He was... He's his... I mean, if he's like 32 quarterbacks, he's number 16, right? Every year. Or is he a little bit lower than that? Um... There were a couple of years where he was actually good.

But I mean, if you're like, if you were... But then there were a couple years where he's terrible, so he average it out. I hate to do the range game on you of a Price's Right game. And you know that range game. He'd be between like 14 and 24, right? Yeah, yeah, every single year. Was there any point in his career that we could say he was a top 10? He's a multiple time pro-bole.

How about the one year they were undefeated until the Texans beat them? He's a multiple-time pro-bowler. So what's that? How many court-rexia name of the Pro Bowl? To a conference or three a conference? Well, usually there's three or four. There are three that are selected in a one or two bounce out because of injury or they go to the Super Bowl. So it's, no, he would be.

the epitome of average. Yes. If you wanted to put the poster boy for average NFL quarterback, it's Andy Dalton. Andy Dalton, I think, is a good one.

Joe Flacco. Yeah, but Joe's got the ring. I got, you know, I got to give him credit for the ring. I just do. And that one amazing postseason. Joe Flacco is, I'm sorry, Joe Vackel is a great quarterback.

As you would say, slightly above replacement. Trent Dilfer-esque, but he's got a ring. He's got a ring. Yeah. So he's great. Trent Dillfer amazing.

Yep. All right. So that's a little. That's the first thing. So let's knock this out. I've heard a variety of different opinions. If you're Dak Prescott, are you glad you got a solid backup? Or are you pissed that Jerry Jones has an insurance policy? Not saying he's going to start, not saying he's going to thrive, not saying he's going to be there in week 11. But if it gets really uneasy and there is a holdout, is Jerry Jones feeling like, you know what? If you want to hold out, you hold out, brother,

because I got a quarterback here that at least get me through the first couple weeks of the regular season. Or do you think that it has not even crossed Jerry's mind that when Jerry signed Andy Dalton, it was because it's just a really good backup. Yeah, I think if you're Dak Prescott, you've got to be at least confident enough in yourself to know that Andy Dalton is not a threat. Andy Dalton, what's his threat level here from 1 to 10 as far as taking over the starting job? Like a 1? Because outside of injury, it's not going to happen. I would say slightly higher.

You mean, is it competition? Zero. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, okay. Zero, zero. It's also, like, so much less about DAC and so much more of, like, a better option than Cooper Rush, who was the backup option. They just released him today. So it's like with Dalton, you're getting somebody so much better than Cooper Rush was.

I don't even know anything about Cooper Rush. Should I know something about Cooper Rush? Central Michigan. Well, I got it. This is what I know about him. He's got a name that sounds like he should be a quarterback in a movie. Yeah, like a Friday night. Like the hot shot quarterback from across town?

You remember when Central Michigan beat Oklahoma State and Stillwater and that really controversial like last second Hill Mary? He was the quarterback for that team. I remember Central Michigan beating somebody they weren't supposed to, but that's as far as it goes. I don't remember that. Cooper Rush. Cooper Rush.

Is he the starting quarterback at Odessa Permian in Friday Night Lights? Cooper Rush. Cooper Rush. Look at it. I hate that. Cooper Rush. Or is he a quarterback in some Malibu, California High School? Yeah, exactly.

Like, he's the hot shot quarterback that you have to beat and overcome. Like, there's no such thing as a Cooper Rush in the state of Pennsylvania under no circumstance. There might be in Florida. Okay. But there's no Cooper Rush running offensive Mississippi. Cooper Rush, Malibu High. Cooper. Okay, so Cooper Rush is gone.

And I think it's a genius move on their part. because and see, that's the where I'm conflicted and that's the way I'll lean into y'all. I mean, it's not only an insurance policy,

but the guy's got nine years of starting experience in the NFL, Ross. If Dak really wants to get sideways and hold out, you've got a quarterback that can step in immediately. Doesn't mean he's going to be great.

Doesn't mean that you're thinking about him winning the games in November. Yeah, I'll buy that. He loses a little bit of leverage, I guess, because you can credibly say we're going to start Andy Dalton over you. So if he were thinking about holding out, yeah. Cowboys got a decent backup plan.

So, yeah, I would just say that it's not a lot of leverage lost, but I guarantee you Dach doesn't feel nearly as good today with Andy Dalton's backup as he does with Cooper Cush or whatever his name is. Cooper Rush. Cooper Rush. Cooper Rush. Cooper Rush. Cooper Rush.

Close enough. Cooper Rush sounds like a a ride you have at an amusement park. Let's go on the Cooper Rush. I mean, it's a stretch. Okay. All right. So other things going on NFL-wise.

But if you guys want to join us, you guys have been great so far on the phones. 713-212-5-790. 7-13-212-5-790. Oh, okay, so the NFL is not going to have their international games. This comes a zero surprise, right? I mean, to send teams to Mexico City, to send them to Europe as a lot. like to do. With this NFL season being such up in the year, that makes absolutely 100% sense.

Because again, I just don't think you want to take anybody international, at least for a year. Yeah, I'm okay with that. And while we do like the 8.30 a.m. kicks. I don't. Oh, well, that's good sure I sleep. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Do I need to make any more points than that?

But we asked you one time to get up at 8.30 this year. It was too much. Did you, did the rest of the day screw up? up a little bit? Because, I mean, I have shows every day except for Sunday. Sunday I like to sleep in till noon. All right. So I'm sorry that you had to get up one time to watch the Texans and Jaguers at 830. Terrible. I went back to sleep after. Was it a great game? I don't remember being a great game. No. It was a game that Minchu was terrible, right?

The 13 to 12 game was in Houston, right? Oh, I was there for that one directly. Oof, that was brutal. But Minchew was kept, then he kept throwing interceptions or something? Yeah, they was like a, they crushed him, right? Wasn't it like 20s? Oh, yeah. It was not even close or something like that. Some weird. I'll find it. All right. So that's one thing.

The next thing is that Peter King, who? Peter King from... 20 to 7. Football Night in America. NBC used to be with SI. Apparently got sideways with Clay Travis about a month ago. That was pretty interesting.

Yes. Has said that he's hearing that the NFL will not allow alcohol sales, provided that fans are allowed inside the stadium in 2020, which I believe the NFL probably more so than in the other two sports are building towards having fans in our stadiums. I saw a report a crawl this morning in ESPN that stadiums of 65, 70,000 seats could be reduced to 15 or 20,000. So let's go over the contributing factors why you don't want to sell booze.

One of them said is because bathroom breaks. Rossi, I drink tea. Coke, water, they all make me pee. Yeah, but you don't ever crush 10 teas during a football game. That's true. 132 on and I'm good. People are crushing 10 beers during... Like in that club of wood, NRG, if you get one of the all-you-can-drink sodas,

you can drink a lot of soda in a very short period. If you get all drink, if you can drink Bud Lights, you're probably crushing a lot of those, too, in the sweet. There wouldn't be nearly as many lines. Yeah, that makes sense. You would think. And I also, another thing I don't think that if they mentioned publicly, I was that they're going to ask people to separate,

whether there's marshals on the feet, any section or whatever the case, maybe if they bring people back, they're going to separate them. It's a lot easier to tell Ross Villarreal in Section 121, hey, I need you to move back to your original seat three rows back as compared to Ross Villa Real had four or five cocktails in him. You think I'm going to rumble with security? No, I think it's going to be more difficult to have you, rational conversation with people that aren't that are being asked to move.

Yeah. That's true. So if you're going to go to the Texans game this year, you better do your drinking outside. I guess that's the other thing about tailgaining. Tailgating is not social distancing. Are they going to allow that? Tailgaining is a huge part of the NFL. For that minute, it's a huge part of all college in pro football.

We haven't even heard any word about that at this point. What do you do on that? I don't know. Because then there aren't there rules you can be with your family members, so maybe you're tailgating with family and it's okay? I don't know. How do you sell that? How do you police it?

Most importantly. How do you stop people from doing it? You go out there with a ruler with a yardstick, start poking people at the tailgate lot? You see what cops are doing? You see what cops that over the weekend? Friday night? They broke up a softball event.

Oh, did they? Yeah, Friday night over at South Post Oak and Maine. What they do? They run out there with their billy clubs and start getting people. No, they just came out with their cars and said, hey, you guys can't be playing like this. Hmm. I don't know much more to it, but it's just the point, you know. Okay.

But, uh... Yeah, stop breaking the rules, people. You can't control... You won't be able to control the tailgate. I don't think, well, I guess you could because you're saying people in golf carts driving around. But the stadiums, they're going to put, they're going to section off seats. They're going to tape off seats. I guarantee this is going to happen.

And you're going to be able to have one through four in a particular row, and then you're going to have probably five through eight or nine skipped. and then you'll be able to get seats 10, 11, 12, 13. I mean, we're going to see social distancing if we get fans back in the stadiums in all the sports, at least for a year. It's weird. Somebody's going to have to go out there and tape all the seats. Some lackey. They got time.

We're not doing a whole lot these days. 113 on the Matt Thomas show. 713-212-5-790. 7-13-212-5-7-90. There is a major college institution that's bringing their guys back to campus to start practicing in football this summer because they think they're going to play September the 5th. We'll tell you what school that is in a matter of moments.

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That's not what you thought. No, that's not what you said. I said, what is this, porno music? Since I don't even know what that means, you'll have to explain. Oh, okay. You watch stuff without the music? No, I only watch YouTube. Matt.

Did you accidentally mean to put a red in there somewhere? All right. Can remind me to talk about Mike Danton at the bottom of the hour for a second? Talk about Mike Dantonian at the bottom of the air. No, at the bottom of the hour, you remind me. Okay. Me remind somebody of something? That's true. We lose track of what's happening in the middle of a conversation.

If you'd like to join us today, we'd love to have you. 713-212-5-790. 7-1-3-212-5-7-90. If you want to reach out through Twitter, it's at SportsMT, at SportsMT, at SportsRvey. And Garrett, remind me again of your Twitter account? At Garrett Jones TV. At Garrett Jones TV. He's hoping that this small little stop along his media route.

He's going to get him on a bigger and better things. Yeah, like we said, he didn't want to be here, but that's okay. He wanted to make sure that that Garrett Jones TV was taking care of on Twitter before. Squatting on it. You're going to stop selling yourself short. Yeah, again, hey, maybe the show gets on the AT&T network. I mean, you can only run so many repeats of the Dan Patrick show. That's not what he was planning with his Twitter account name.

You want to anchor five, six, and ten, don't you? He was to drop us like a bad habit. No, that name kind of came from when I was the voice of Columbia, Missouri high school basketball. Ooh. Did that pay well? No. Not exactly. They paid all?

It did. It was more about the experience, though. I got you. Did you guys do it over the internet, I'm assuming? Or there was a radio station. How about tape delay? You would tape it and then take it to the station? Yep.

Okay. I used to do that. We used to record games on cassettes and then take them. to the radio station to play. What if you lost a cassette or something got dubbed over or didn't record properly? Well, the station I did it for, they had no idea what the hell they're doing. They would play tapes out of order. No, real?

So you'd have the first quarter, followed by the third quarter, followed by halftime, followed by the second quarter, followed by the fourth quarter. With Bob Elliott there? Hmm. It was 1180. No, not 1180. It was, yeah. K-G-O-L, station up in the north part of town.

Maybe it was Conroll, 1180. I think it's where it was. Conroe, 1180. Yeah. that was when I was just trying to get my reps in. Maybe I'll go roll up some sleeves and call some basketball games in high school. It started throwing in a bunch of cratch phrases that don't make any sense. The best part was Brenham, when I was in high school, this is in 1989-90, Brenham would broadcast the game live.

And at that time, there was no internet, obviously, so they would have to use a phone line. Well, if you didn't have a phone line on your court, which most teams didn't have, they had to string a long telephone cord to a nearby pay phone. And drop quarters in it every 15 minutes? No, they would use a calling car. They were calling cars back down. Oh, okay. Yeah, that's true. But point being is that I remember this cord probably going.

We'll see, a court is 94 feet. So it was 47 feet from mid court to the court. And then there was another 10 feet to outside of the court where there was a pay phone. So you're talking about 60 feet. And then tape it down because people were walking all over it. But I thought it was the coolest thing. KWHI Radio and Brenham was here broadcast. a Brenham Cubs versus May Creek Rams High School basketball game.

Wow. And I thought to myself, I could do that someday. And Garrett's thinking to himself, what's a pay phone? Definitely used a pay phone before. Last time used a pay phone was? I can't. I had to be a teenager calling my mom to pick me up or something. It's 2020, 25 years?

It's probably been about 20 years since I've used one. I'm sure I was a kid needed to get picked up at high school or something or What I've used to pay phone in 1995. Yeah, sure. So 25 years. I remember being upset when they went from a quarter to 50 cents. Have you even seen a payphone? If we said, let's go on a scavenger hunt right now.

Here we are at 2000 West Loop South. Where would the nearest payphone be? Southwest side of town. By the PIs? Probably. Okay. All right. So the University of.

Arkansas. When you think of the juggernauts of college football, where do you put them? Arkansas used to be up there, Maddie. You used to kick ass in the Southwest Conference days. I'm guessing Tier 2. Tier 3? Yeah, I got to drop. Where's U of H? Tier 1, AAC. Tier 1 of AAC, yeah, alongside Southern Miss and Tulsa or whatever. Tier 2 everywhere else. All right, so this is from a reporter in the Little Rock area. University of Arkansas planning on starting Razorback football, September 5th, with practice starting in mid-July.

The 100 Eurocheckies with the 88 U of H now is at Arkansas, had a virtual meeting today with the board of trustees. Once you call them, get them on. You guys, boys? I guess we could. You know what, I'll text him out for the show today. I think I still have got a number. You think is he going to drop a who's this on you?

That wouldn't be difficult. Because, you know, once you go to Fayetteville, you forget all the little people. That's true. Ask Greg Cook. What do you think? Ambitious, smart, stupid, or some combination of the above? Well, let's think about that.

If the NBA in Major League Baseball wants to come back by July first, right? What's the difference of a football team practicing? Well, schools have to open up first. You would think it would be very difficult to have a football team practicing when they university is still shut down. Could you call it, I mean, what's the NCAA rules? Can you call it voluntary

and kind of make it a voluntary mandatory, type of thing? And where are these kids? If it's the middle of summer, are they all in Fayetteville? No, I would assume now. I would assume most of them are with their families right now. How do you get them there?

And where do you house them? Are the dorms closed? That's right. And how are you going to feed them? True. Who's paying for that? I don't know. And who's making sure that the dorm in which they stay?

add as cleanse, which they obviously could do, but you're also having to get employees being tested and food service and just like when normal restaurants are doing right now. They're taking extra precautions. But it's funny. This is the, and I'm sure there could be some other colleges doing it. This has happened to be the first one on my timeline on this. The thing is, Ross, I don't believe that there's going to be college football September the 5th. Unless, unless, because again, television money for Power 5 schools is wonderful. but they still need the people in the stands. Arkansas needs 50,000 people in their stadium to fund everything on their campus.

The television contracts don't take care of every bit of the budget of a university. Unless the University of Arkansas has money to say, you know what, we're going to play a college football season, and we're going to have it with a closed stadium. We don't need the money. We've got TV money coming in. We've got enough an endowment money. We'll be able to be able to stay afloat. Meanwhile, then you're going to have your volleyball team saying, okay, well, we need the same.

same thing. And they're like, well, we really can't afford that. You know what I'm saying? I think, I think you're opening up a panel, a title nine Pandora box here. It's a slippery slope. Yeah. That's, that's, that's the first blush thought I thought of is that you are, if you're coming out to do this, then you're opening up for everybody else is supposed to be playing in the fall. That's going to, it's going to cripple you financially. Hey, but not having games and not having fans is going to cripple you financially too. Just football. You're saving money by not having those other things. If, if volleyball doesn't play a single game, it's okay. I mean, not to be rude, but it just is. So, yeah, you know what, I'll try to get Hunter in the show. I mean, I'm sure he's being inundated with media request. Yeah, probably not going to happen. It's okay. But at least I can try.

You can effort. What I'll do is I'll text and he'll say very busy and I'll put the text back on my timeline unless you see you guys that I tried. What do you think, though? That's, I mean, it's encouraging that somebody wants to play. And obviously, they're not doing this half-heartedly. They didn't, Hunter just didn't sit down and go, you know what? Let's do it.

Let's bring them in. I wonder what, I mean, yeah, what were the consulate? They're the first ones, basically, to come out and say this. At least, for what I've seen, it could be others. You've been headstrong about it. But I wonder the thinking that's going into this, how much of it is just we need to have football, we need to have this going on as soon as possible. And why are they the first SEC school to do this?

I mean, if you would think of schools that would be ready and locked and loaded to do this, you would think of LSU, and you think of Alabama and Auburn and Florida schools that have this tremendous, financial ability to fund these things for a while. So Washington County had less than 100 confirmed cases, and you wonder how much that influenced your check's decision to try to pursue this, because you wonder if it's like a relative to how bad the COVID outbreak was in the area. Yeah, but you're going to have kids that are spread all over the country coming in. That's right.

But yeah, you got guys bumping in all over the country. I mean, how many do you think on that Arkansas roster are from that area? Probably 10%, 15%, maybe? Yeah. Because Arkansas uses the entire South. Arkansas uses Texas. They uses Louisiana. They just can't stay in state to be able to fund a football team.

Their first game is supposed to be a Razorback Stadium against the Nevada Wolfpack. And by the way, Nevada is going to get a paycheck for playing that game. They're not coming just for blank and giggles. So how is Arkansas going to pay Nevada for that if there's not going to be 45, 50,000 people in their stadium? Their second game is against the Notre Dame Fighting Irish in South Bend, Indiana. Hmm. Is that game going to happen? Is Notre Dame going to be practicing?

Are they going to be fielding a team? Are they going to be ready to go September 12th? And how will other schools feel when Arkansas takes the field and other campuses across this country will not be able to because the different governors and the school presidents won't allow them to do that? Time is 1.35. Sports Talk 7.90, the Matt Thomas show. All right, I mentioned Mike Dantonio, played a liner of him just a couple minutes ago.

The latest, every story, everything terms of the future NBA season intrigues me, whether it's playing in the home facilities, whether it's playing with fans, playing without fans, playing in Orlando, playing in Vegas. Story over the weekend has, who goes, who doesn't go,

kind of a narrowing of a list. one of the things they said was it would not be wise for teams to send people staff players well not players but staff coaches to the NBA bubbles for people over the age of 60 one general manager was quoted as saying that's just tough sorry but we got to be look out for each other basically paraphrasing um Mike d'antony's going to be 69 here pretty soon how old is Greg Popovich he's got to be north of 60 right I can't imagine

I guess I can as anything is up for Brad Poppich is 71 could you imagine telling a team you cannot bring your head coach because he's over the age of 60 no what if I mean is Mike Dantonie healthy does he have a disease is he asthmatic

it hasn't it hasn't matter they're not they're not worried about they're saying that They're just that putting people over the age of 60 in such situation would be not advantageous to that person and potentially, you know, because what they do is they don't want people to go in the bubble and then get sick while they're in the bubble. Right. I think it's pretty balsy, frankly. Are those the only two guys over 60, though? I'm looking through the list of NBA head coaches. I don't know.

And those might be the only two affected. So there's going to be some general managers over 60, right? Oh, GMs, yeah. And probably assist, I can guarantee you assistant coaches have been over 60. True. The Rockets don't have one that's over 60. But their head coach is over 60. That just, guys, to me, that just seems really, really.

Brett Brown's 59. I just don't. I would imagine that. Why would you put yourself in that spot? Hey, bring everybody here. let's go crying a real champion. Oh, by the way, let's put an age restriction on it. So if your coach is over 60, sorry, you can't have the guy that's been leading you the entire way.

It was already going to be a very awkward situation to begin with. Yeah, I think that would be impossible, especially since it's looking like it's, from what I can tell, it's only going to be two coaches. That'd be Popovich and Dan Ton. My guess is the hits going to be on the assistant coaches, the team doctors, the maybe a couple of trainers here. I mean, we're talking about guys that have probably been in the league 25, 30 years, right? Now, I don't think you can do as a database that shows of people over the age of 60, but that just seems to be, I thought of that immediately. And I hope that I'm wrong about that.

I'm hoping they would say, okay, head coaches are excluded from this category. Because Mike Dantone has been very helpful. I mean, obviously, it looks great for his age, right? I want to look as good as he doesn't. I didn't know he was 69 years old. Yeah. It's crazy. The elimination of the mustache has helped him look younger.

Yeah. I think that was Mrs. Dan Tony's call on that. Oh, he's 68. He'll be 69 on Friday. Let's provide him a happy birthday on Friday. Okay. You're going to call him?

Get him on? I don't know. Very busy, yeah. Not very busy. He'll be hung over from his birthday night. We could do a virtual birthday. Send him a virtual birthday card. Okay.

What do you think? Hope you're safe. Hope they let you in the bubble. I don't know if he'd be able to get to it. I'll have to get Laurel to download it for him. He's got to have a phone. Well, it's funny because, you know, he did an Instagram with the AT&T people. And I teased Kaylee Griffin.

I said, how did you get him on the... Get him figured it out. Laurel figured it out. Laurel figured it out. Laurel takes care of that kind of stuff. All right. But I just thought it was funny that one of their responses from a general manager was, oh, well, sorry, we have to do this in the best interest of the person in the league.

It seemed very, very awkward that that would be in that spot. They're just trying to take down the rockets again, Matt. It's another rocket's hit pace. I know. It's a lot of hate towards... Houston sports teams. Because Spurs aren't even making the playoffs. No.

So that's not a big concern. No. 713. Oh, John Lucas, my buddy is over 60. That's true. Thanks to Bill for reminding me on that. Yeah. Yeah, let me tell you something.

There is no NBA world without John Lucas and Mike Dan Tony coaching that basketball team. I will not stand for it. There'll be an automatic asterisks. Champions won. Nobody over the age of 60 allowed in there. No chance. Yeah, you wouldn't see, especially if, I mean, there are people who are 60 and healthy and people 60 that aren't healthy.

Mike Dantone, he's healthy as a horse. I think so. I think so. Patrick at 140 on 7.90. Patrick, what do you got today? Oh, that a whole lot. I just wanted to ask your opinion on this. So, Arkansas is clearly in the SEC.

Do you think it's a possibility that the SEC could play football, but yet the PAC 12 says, hey, we're not playing. plan and they go into spring. I mean, I realize that every theory we throw out there, we don't know any of the answers to. Right. But I did enjoy, I really do enjoy the theory of everybody starting in January or February, just kind of making it a spring league this way. We could all go out and watch the Cougars or go, you know, watch whomever and really

enjoy it and feel good about it. But, I mean, personally, I would not want to watch college football without anyone in the stands. I wouldn't care if it was Wyoming. Colorado State. That's kind of what makes it fun. NFL to me is much different. You know, it doesn't have that same energy every week. But I mean, do you think that's something that they would throw out there? And also at first blush, I could not stop laughing with the image of Ross with the police with the Billy Club chasing the softball people off the field. That was pretty

doggone. That is a good line. Thank you. The Billy Club is good. Thank you very much of the phone call, Patrick. No, I, if we're going to have college football this year, we're not splitting it up over quadrants or length of time. I think maybe you'll have volunteer teams. Maybe you'll have, say, I mean, what if a team from California is in a lot? UCLA or USC or, you know, any number of teams in California, Fresno State, whatever. They say we did the, if you're completely under lockdown and you can't congregate or whatever, how are you going to have practices?

How are you going to have games? How are you going to host games? Where are you going to put games? What I think he was, what he was asking, just going to have a not have a season. What he was asking is, do can you, can some schools and some parts of the country that aren't in as bad as its spot, can they have a season, a normal season between September and November? And can some schools that are in states that are, can they have their own season between January and March? We were kind of just thinking out loud last week. We were

talking about it. Like, you might just have to have teams form their own conferences temporarily, like a one-year exception or something. Here's what I could see. Texas and A&M could play each other again this year. I could see schools saying we can't play this year. And then it's up to those individual schools to reschedule those games. And where are they going to be? And what TV network are they going to be on? Here's the thing. If I,

the more than I think about this, I don't think we're going to get a massive reconfiguration of conferences. I could be much easier see a school saying we're not playing. And then let's say the University, okay, the University of Houston has to play a game at Navy. And let's say one of their games is in Washington State. That's a non-conference game they're supposed to play. They're also supposed to play at BYU.

If Washington States says we're not playing this year, then the Cougars would have to go find somebody that could play that weekend in that place. And University of Houston wouldn't be by themselves. There's probably 25 or 30 other schools that say, hey, we need an open slot. It may not be a premium opponent. It may be a 1-A-A opponent, but it would at least be an opponent. Or maybe they can't find anybody. You play, you go, you play nine games this year.

You play eight games this year. You play whatever. you figure out a way to play a consistent number of conference games. You can't, you're not going to cry a champion. What happens to people in Washington in their conference if they can't play? I guess most of them are going to be wiped out if it's. Yeah. No, if the season starts, it's not going to be, I don't think in my mind, it's not going to be sick.

It's not going to be broken up over. Well, this half of the country plays this time of year. This played as the other. If you're going to do it, you're going to do it. Because you're not going to say, okay, well, you are awesome between September and November. September, November. By the way, we'll see you March 15th to play for a national championship. Maybe there's not going to be a national championship.

That's up for grabs. Do you play just a season? I mean, that's something that's been made up with the last 20 years anyways. I mean, are we going to have bowls this year? That's a fair question, right? I don't know. Well, that's what everybody says. I don't know.

Yes, we'll have bowl games. That's good. You could say, because if you believe there's going to be a college football season, there are going to be people that are jumping on planes. There just are. I'm not an epidemiologist or a doctor or, I mean, or a policymaker or a president or a governor. I'm saying as if they're going to play a college football season, then we should anticipate bowl games being played. Yeah, if they're being played at that point, I guess we'll have some bowl.

Are we going to have 40 bowl games? Hopefully not. It's a big old waste of money and loss. I mean, although the Bahamas ball probably wouldn't be a terrible thing. Yeah, but nobody goes to that. Nobody's watching that. We could cover the game, though. Well, let's go.

To Atlantis, there's the casino out there, right? Maybe. I haven't done... I've always been wanting to go to the Atlanta's casino. I heard it's overly just outrageously expensive. Like, everything is way more expensive than even a normal resort would be. Overly opulent? Yeah.

That by Turks and Caicos over the same thing, too. That a normal dinner for four is like four times it would normally pay. I heard that about Monte Carlo. I still want to go. I do too. 145 on the... I just want to go anywhere. Yeah.

You know what? I'm going to Beaumont. Now I'm not, I forget Beaumont. I mean, what do I want to go? Lake Charles. Like Charles. The week of shows live from the... Golden nugget, whether it's operating or not.

146 on Sports Talk 790. The pandemic continues. The no damn sports pandemic. I'm not leaving my house. Luckily, the most infectious lineup in Houston sports continues. Now, here's masked, rubber glove, but still Jesus-sandled. Matt Thomas, sanitize those toes, would you? You don't know where they've been.

Yeah, yeah. Have you used... For the record, Matt's wearing boat shoes. Thank you. Have you used the phrase, may the fourth be with you today? I have not. I do have people who are friends who are Star Wars nerds. We have a co-worker of ours that dresses his family up in Star Wars gear.

I don't know every year, but he puts the same picture on every year. Okay. I don't know who that is. That's Robert Reese. Oh, really? Yeah. Is he a big Star Wars nerd? Well, I don't want to call him a nerd, but he knows. enjoys his Star Wars.

Okay. I've just, it's... You know, he's a huge Star Wars nerd, Brian Smith. Is he really? Yes. So he likes Star Wars, and he's a huge fan of a Pearl Jam? Yeah. If he could ever get somehow, some kind of traveling road show of Star Wars and Pearl Jam,

he would just be over the moon. It feels like he should be living with his parents and his parents' extra bedroom, right? Well, you can take that up with him. Yeah, Friday 2 o'clock here on 7-100. What movie? And they dropped the new Star Wars movie on Disney Plus. I'm going to watch it tonight. Are you?

Mm-hmm. How much Disney Plus cost a month? I have a bundle. It's ESPN Plus, Disney Plus, Hulu Plus for $13. It's not bad. Is there a movie that you gravitate to that it's almost cult-like? Because let me give you some examples. Rocky Horror Picture Show was a big time way back in the day.

I saw that in one of the first times I went to Austin. I was like, you have to do this Austin thing. You have to go see the live show. And then there's these idiots who dress up in lingerie. Ray and act out the scenes in front of the screen. I mean, maybe it's because I was 17, but I thought it was a complete waste of time. You have to throw tomatoes or something at some point. It's each his own.

The Big Lobowski has a cult-like following. Oh, I love the Big Lobowski. It's one of the greatest movies of all time. Star Wars, huge, huge. Yeah, that's not a cult following. I think that's like a mega hit. No, no, it's a huge blockbuster. But it's like everything stops for one day a year to honor the movie run.

And there's not. There's not a series of movies that have people standing outside of it more so than the Star Wars run. Maybe the Marvel movies as recently, but yeah, it's maybe number one. Yeah, just. Like when the new ones came out and Triumph the Insult Comic. That's one of the best Triumph the Insult Comic Dogs when he's outside there talking to Star Wars nerds. Yeah. Oh, it's the best.

I, you know, I used to tease people like that, but it's, you know, everybody has their own thing. Yeah. You just can't, you can't just judge everybody. Exactly. So if Star Wars is your jam and you want to get dressed up once a year, look, I went to Comic-Con that one time, and that was crazy. Houston Comic-Con? Yeah.

Okay. Would you go for one of your kids want to go or something? No, I got to meet Rick Flair. Oh. Do you pay for that? No. Okay. But, I mean, I didn't like pay for an autograph.

I just met him. I didn't get an autograph for it. What was it like? Did you have a beer? No. It was like five minutes. Maybe you should bring a beer to him and ask him if you wanted to have a beer chugging contest.

He probably would do that. you probably do it. So, you know, it's funny. Everybody has their own sort of, like, I mean, I love watching old school wrestling. If there was, if there was an old school wrestling conference, like they do in the south, something, you know, like Atlanta, Charlotte, I'd go to that. Mm-hmm. But it's just, there's not a movie in my life that I've loved so much that you would want to dress up. That I would want to dress up like one of the characters in.

And buy dolls from it and stuff. Yeah. As an adult. Well, as a kid, I had, you know, I used to always want to be a ninja turtle. Did you really? Which one? I was like five. Oh, I was a Michelangelo guy. For sure. Michelangelo was like the silly prankster one.

Garrett, you're younger than us. Was there a movie you dressed up to? Not really, no. Spider-Man when I was really little, but that's about it. Spidey. Spidey's good. Yeah, I wanted to be a Ninja Turtle for Halloween, like, every year. I used to have a shirt, a Ninja Turtle's t-shirt that I used to, like, beg and cry my mom that I could wear, I would make her wash it every day so that I could wear it to school every day in kindergarten. The thing about the Star Wars series, and it's because I've just not into a like everybody else is, I don't know what's a prequel, what's a post... The series to me is all whacked out. So that makes it hard for me to remember.

Well, they don't have episode numbers. They started with 456. Then they went back to 1, 2, 3, right? Then they did 1, 2, 3, and now they did 789. So 456, 1, 2, 3, 789. Yes. The last one I saw, spoiler, Harrison 4 was in it. Okay.

Carrie Fisher was in it before she died. May she rest in peace. Yeah. And Harrison Ford's character. Matt Got a surprise What kind of a surprise Birthday cake

No Light saber to the gut Close Oh it might have been It's been four or five years I think right That was That was the first of the new ones

Yes That's the last one I saw I don't remember what it was called The Force Awakens I think But it was good Yeah that was good And I felt good Because I had not seen the prequels.

The last one I had seen was Empire Strikes Back or was a Return of the Jedi. Return of the Jedi was third. Okay. That's the last one I saw. So that's, I went six, skipped one, two, three, went to seven and felt great. You went to six to seven. That's fine. I'm confused.

I think I confused myself. Yeah. But is there any other movie that gets the yearly run like this one does? Like, you know, you see the hashtag all time on Twitter on this day, May the Fourth you wait for. think the Avengers movies have kind of taken over, but I don't think there's necessarily they don't have the longevity. And yeah, I don't know that there's like a holiday every day for some Avengers movie.

I don't know, maybe some Marvel nerd. Joe George is a Marvel nerd. We're going to get him in here. A nerd or a Marvel nerd? Well, he says both. Okay. That's fine. Oh, he's back finally.

Yeah, he's took a long lunch. He took a nap. It's fine. In long lunch break, too. I got to go back and do Big Loboskey again. Okay. Because my... Great movie.

I have a lot of friends that are big, big, big time, Lobowski. You're going to tell me you watch it and you didn't like it? The only thing I remember about it is that Woody Harrelson's hand got really hurt in the bowling machine. That's a bowling movie. I mean, Big Lebowski is kind of a bowling movie too, but... Well, then I really screwed it up there. Kingpin is on Netflix. I was watching it this weekend as I go to sleep.

And would you think? It's a fairly brother. You know the guys that did Dumb and Dumber and Me, Myself and Irene? Well, then maybe I need to watch Big Loboski's because I have no recollection of it whatsoever. Kingpin is the Cohen brothers. It's a kind of a slant. I don't know if I would recommend, let me tell you this. You'll like Kingpin more than you like Big Lobowski, I think.

Big Lebowski's got much more shelf life in terms of people that talk about it all the time. That's true. It's more subtle. It's more kitsy. It's more culty. And I don't know if you'd be into that. I think you would like Kingpin more. It's more in your face.

Kingpin is more airplane while Big Loboskey is more subtle. Okay. Real quick. So you're a Marvel nerd. Is this accurate? Oh, yeah. Huge. Does your wife know this?

Is there a yearly holiday for the Avengers? No, I don't think so. Okay. Do you make your wife dress up as one of the characters once a year? No, she won't watch the movies with me. In private? I have to go by myself. Do you dress up when you go?

No. Why not? Don't say like, no. People do that. He's like, no, I only thought about it once. No, I don't do that. Some people do, though. That's true.

Some people do. What was the last time you dressed up for something? Not on a Halloween? Not Halloween? Not Halloween. I think, I was like 10, 11, 12. When the Star Wars movies came out, the prequels. so probably for those.

Did your parents make you dress up? No, I think I just did. Would you dress up as? Probably a Jedi. I probably just wore like a home costume. Okay. I'm pretty sure I did. You were like chewy or something?

I wish I had a better memory. I'd like that of the last time I dressed up for something and it was. And it had nothing to do with the movie. It had to be a school play. Okay, yeah, I was in school plays in high school. Same. So, I mean, it would be either if it weren't a school play, and if it wasn't Halloween, I haven't, why would I dress up?

There is a picture of a 2010 Matt, Thomas in this dynamo uniform. Oh, that's true. I saw that. That was one of the, I was talking to Joe, were we talking about that on Saturday? Yeah, we were. One of the funniest moments. We got to find the 790 Facebook video of me just, you can hear me giggling like a schoolgirl, laughing so hard.

Things have not changed. Oh, this is the funniest. Tears are streaming, literally streaming down my face. It was so funny. Watching you get crushed by a bunch of eighth graders. All right. Final hour of the Matt Thomas show starts. we're going to talk about

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Dynamo jersey with a 790. Not one of my proud moments. I think it was great. But it just shows you, I'm willing to do just by anything for the goodness of the soccer community. For publicity. Yeah, we kind of needed it. I still need it now. All right.

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Jesus. That's all me. That's all me. Sorry, Bundy. Oh. This, Bunn-ha-ha-ha-ha-B-A-B-A-B-A. No, it does not happen. I'm getting him your whole discography two nights.

Oh, my God. That is not B-U-M-B-Y. It is. It is education time. I'm embarrassed for us. We'll talk it up to COVID. Wow. No kidding.

I get the virus in our control room. Bun, what are you been up to? How's a family? Everybody's good, man. You know, staying safe. You know, distancing as much as possible. You know, going out with the mask and the gloves. It's pretty much typical 2020 apocalypse behavior.

Perfect. All right. So tell me, the Big Loboski. Love it, hate it, give me a rundown. Loving it is an understatement. I'm really embarrassed for you, Matt. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Before you take your digs at me, which you're going to,

you promised me like four years ago we were going to go see straight out of Compton together, and you forgot about me. This is true. What does that have to do with anything? I just want to get that out of the way. He's never going to let me live that. No, you're right. That's exactly right.

Then Ross guilts me into watching Godfather 1 and 2, which I did, and I loved. So I feel like the amount of heat I'm about to receive from you is going to be a little bit unfair, but go ahead and dish it out. But you know what? Based off the straight out of Compton situation, I'll take it easy. But it's a classic in every sense of the word. The Coen brothers are geniuses. And, you know, don't get me wrong, I love Miller's Crossing.

I love, you know, Bloodshed, all that stuff. but the big Lebowski, I mean, Jeff Bridges will forever be the dude, you know? And you couldn't have watched it because there's no way to casually watch a movie like that. That's like saying that you saw Raising Arizona, but you don't remember it. You know, it's one of those movies that you carry with you for life. It's, I don't know. I don't get it. I don't get that you don't remember watching this movie.

Well, here's what I'm going to do, Bun. Now, the name Bumby is telling the last. I'm going to get rid of that. I'm going to watch it this weekend with a full report next Monday on the show because I feel like you're guilty to me into it. And so far, in movies that I've been guilty into watching, I've enjoyed every one of them. It's impossible to not enjoy this movie. It's something for everybody.

It's a murder mystery built around a weedhead member of a bowling league. I don't know what the... Sounds good to me. I'm all for that. Are you doing... Hey, by the way, are you doing virtual concerts and stuff? How are you getting around to your audience? I've been doing, like, DJing on the weekend from my Instagram page,

so I've opened up Club Trial on Friday night, Sunday night, and Sunday afternoons. And it's been fun. It's been a different way for me to engage with my base because I'm not just sitting around playing a bunch of me all the time. So I get to show people the kind of music that I listen to in my, you know, personal time. And people have been really receptive to it. We had the guy, D. Nice. actually he DJed

Saturday night and when he finished he told his people to come over to my party so we went from like a couple of hundred to a couple of thousand in about five minutes it was amazing you got any girls dancing in the background

all right I think there's a large continuously of people showing up just for that which I'm fine with that's okay yeah if you got a nice bride to show off you gotta get those hits

so what are we going to do what's the next concert? When we have a little chance to get out and see each other, what's the big event that you're going to produce that the entire city of Houston is going to come to hang out with you? In a situation where there's a vaccine available or some kind of pharmaceutical situation where people can congregate in large numbers,

then I'll probably do like a big bun being friends concert. Yeah. But, I mean, I've got to be honest, Matt. Like, my industry will probably be the last industry they get to prove for work. I don't see myself working for the rest of the year. Well, that's sad. I don't want that.

Don't be discouraged like that. I mean, it's a reality, you know, and I'm an entertainer. So I'm throwing a pity party for the assumption is we're all rich, and if we're not rich, then we probably blew it on drugs and women and jewelry and fancy cars and stuff like that. So, you know, but I mean, I've been pretty smart financially. I'm my old guy, so I'm not spending my money on a bunch of dumb stuff like that. So, I mean, we'll make it through the year. But it is, I know a lot of guys who won't, and it's disheartening.

Well, that's too bad to hear. I hope things get changed for everybody, regardless of what industry you're in or what, everybody working, your place is open again and do it the right way, obviously. Have you been watching the last dance like the rest of us have? It's amazing. It's amazing. I cried last night, though. I have to say.

Can I guess the moment you cried? Go for it. Kobe Bryant. Was it Kobe or was it something? Was it Drexler? What was it? Okay. But I will tell you this.

I have a newfound hate for Isaiah Thompson watching the thing. I have to say, like I didn't care for him much in the past, but now he's just insufferable, man. Like, this dude is a, he's a bad guy. Well, how about this? First of all, they didn't hide the fact that those guys in the 92 Dream Team got along so well. and clearly it was because Isaiah wasn't there. But then last night, I don't know, Bunn, if you saw ESPN, but Charles Barkley has been saying that Isaiah has been getting a really bad rap about all this.

So I don't know if he's just older and wiser or let bygones be bygones, but Charles came to Isaiah's defense pretty good last week. Yeah, Charles is a different kind of cat now. I don't know. Markle fan in the world. I do appreciate his honesty, to be fair. you know, Charles is, you know, pretty like he sees it, you know, but I don't know, this I'd say, and then I'd say I'm not naming Michael Jordan and his top five players he played. Like, I don't, I'm not a fan of Isaiah.

I can't say I ever really was. I probably was more indifferent than anything, but he's not one of my favorite human beings right now. I'll leave it at that. Well, I just, I don't trust him. He seems very much like a politician to me. Great basketball player, but when you are despised by as many players like that, there's got to be something wrong with you. Yeah, look, I can't take anything away from it, man.

His accolades or his accolades, you know, and what he did as an athlete was not easy to accomplish. And, you know, you play the game like you play the game. You know, we can get mad at rough, but we have nothing to say about football. So I'm not going to really argue that. It's something about him that I just didn't always agree with, and now I realize now that that's just not a guy

would want to be in a room with having a drink. And I'll drink with almost anybody. All right. Well, I look forward to having a drink with you. and maybe when we get straight out of Compton 2, we'll go to the movies to see that at that point, right? You know what? Straight out of Compton 2 happens.

I'll take you to the premiere myself. That's right. In Los Angeles. Yes, but I wouldn't hold my breath on that. All right, fair enough. Bun, take care yourself, and again, we apologize for the misname there because it's a low watermark in my history as a broadcaster right there, my friend. And I'm not in my fault.

My grandmother called my mom's time. My mother-in-law called me Bumblebee for, like, the first two years of me dating my wife. All right. I've dealt with it. Tell Mrs. Bunn we sent our best. I will, man. Have a great one, guys. We'll see you.

There you go. That's the man the legend. Bumpy. Seriously, I have a reputation to hold here, Garrett. My God. I'm so sorry. I've already failed you.

How old are you, Garrett? 22. Yeah, she's too young. You weren't even born when UGK was making their hay. You're born in 98? 97. Oh, geez. Your producer was born in 1997.

Matt. We gotta age you up quick. I mean, I don't need you to be 56, but we get you to 30 at least. I mean, it's bad enough Matt Thomas doesn't get how big of a deal it is that Bunby listens. Garrett certainly doesn't. Legendary. Yeah, but again, I'm mad at Bunn because we were supposed to go get dinner. Well.

And the movie. He's very busy. But males don't go to movies together typically, do they? Usually it's with your bride or your girl. You may go like a 007 movie together? Yeah, something real manly. Like a ram. Yeah, like a rock movie or something like that.

Okay. Like, who's the number one action figure right now? The Rock or Jason Satham? Yeah. Used to be like Sylvester Stallone way back then. Yeah, he's not bad. Yeah. Is there new expendables coming out or something?

No, I don't think so. Oh, there. Vin Diesel, if you will. Mission Impossible 7 coming up. Yeah, I guess Tom Cruise, literally is like nearly 60, but he's still one of the biggest action heroes in the country. He is. All right.

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And it looks like we'll be dusting off the Reggie Bush Vince Young debate in the meantime. And what should they do with the dome, huh? And is Matt Schaubb an elite QB? Just kidding. Just kidding. Just kidding. No, really. We're just kidding.

The Houston Sports. Sports Talk continues on Sports Talk 7 nights. So while I'm thinking of sports topics for the remaining 40 minutes of the show, Ross is going back and looking at a 2010 video of us trying to play against some girls of the Dynamo halftime. Yeah, can I tweet this out? Yeah, go ahead. What am I supposed to do? You've made a living of embarrassing me for the last 10 years.

That's not true. Oh, man. So how did this come up? They asked us to come to a game. No, no, no. How did this come up on the show today? I don't know. Well, we were talking about you dressing up,

and you dressed up as a dynamo player. Oh, we're talking about wearing something, a costume. We were talking about Halloween events. We were talking about May the 4th. We're talking about Star Wars. Right. Yeah. Oh, man, I'm just reliving the memories of one of the funniest.

I'm probably one of the hardest I've ever laughed in my entire life was watching. I've done a lot of things in the last 10-plus years of being on this radio. station. That was the most gimmicky, maybe. It just shows you where I'm willing to make fun of myself. That's good.

Yeah, I wouldn't change a thing. You make fun of me. Not about you, I'm talking about you out there that want to take shots at me, then I don't accept that. But if you know me and we are friends or we are cordial, then I'll let you all tease me.

Yes. Except for this guy that's today on Twitter's, this tweet I had to put out there because, I mean, I get criticism, I can understand that. Nobody's going to love everything about you. But he says, this Sports Talk 790 show at 12

is a big glass of spilled F. This dude, Matt Thomas, is just whack AF. Gotta get, and he mentions other station in y'all life. Somebody likes he got. He don't see any more likes. How many to get?

No likes. Let's see. And then he's fighting with that on Twitter. Oh, boy. Adam Clinton stepping in to fight. Yeah. He says, so Adam says, this is unacceptable slander and I won't stand for it from one of my followers. SportsMT is an American treasure.

If you disagree, you need Jesus in your life. Then this guy says, ain't nobody like you'll fake ass. Adam Clent. Wait, hold on. Is this a sports empty theater? Yeah, what I want to. Does he know where the music? I don't know.

Where's Joe? Where's Joe? Bad trainer. He's gone. Like, gone, gone. He left. He left me at the wheel. Okay, I'll portray the role of Cowboy Trave.

Hold on, I have to pull this up. And you be Adam Clanton. We can't, okay. We need to know where. Where is Joe George? See, when I train people and let him on, at least I was in the building. At least I was in the room. It's a short but simple one.

Hello and welcome to another edition of SportsMT Theater. Matt Thomas, you're going to be at. Trav underscore cowboy. Okay. And I'm going to be Adam Clinton. And now, SportsMT Theater. Oh, I muted this guy. I got to unmute him real quick.

This at Sports. Let me see how Cowboy Trave would talk. This at Sports Talk 790 show at 12 is a big glass of spilled F. This dude Matt Thomas just whack A.F. Gotta get ESPN 975 in your life. This is unacceptable slander, and I will not stand for it from one of my followers. SportsMT is an American treasure. And if you disagree, you need Jesus in your life.

Ain't nobody like your fake ass. Ha! He says and then quickly unfollow. What a loser. You forget a LOL. Oh, LOL? Laugh out loud. At Trev underscore cowboy.

I followed because I wanted to see if everyone was, was right about you being so fake. Now I see you a fake and phony. Don't want no fake fools on my Twitter. Chunkinduces. And that's it. That's it. Thank you for the material there.

There we go. Oh, you're on Twitter. Garretjoin CV. Nice job going great so far. We tease because we care. And also you screwed up a legendary person's name. It's okay. Learning by fire, right?

Can I, I'll give you one of my early mistakes. I love to hear you. I think I've done this before. I've mentioned this before. I was producing an afternoon show on KSEV, a sports talk show, and we were a really low operational budget, so I would read the news headlines at the bottom of every hour. Stock, weather, traffic, all that. It was just kind of two or three headlines, and I would read the Associated Press headlines that would come off of a printer. And more times than not, I would not proof read them ahead of time.

So there was a story about the Aggie Corps of Engineers. You know how you spell core. Do you say corpse? C-R-P-S. And I said the Aggie Corps of Engineers during a newscast. And I had never seen the word core before. Again, that's U of Age education, is what it is. And so I had like five people call the call in line right after going,

tell that idiot that ran the news. It's not the Texas A&M Corp of Engineers. It's the Corps of Engineers. So mistakes can happen. Yeah. Thankfully, Garrett, that's the only one ever remained in all these years. What do you think about the Texans receivering corpse coming up this year, man? To this day, that happened 20 years ago.

To this day, I still think about C-R-PS is core. You don't want to get angry. Aggie's all riled up, Matt. Like the name S-E-A-N. seeing Sean yeah I hadn't

before I moved to Texas I never seen the word S-E-A-N as Sean I'd only really I only seen Sean as S-H-A-W-N or W-N UN

no no S-E-A-N so I call somebody what about S-H-A-U-N Sean okay I don't we're going with this but that's the point is that like a Celtic spelling

like what is your worst broadcast mistake how many how much time you got Well, I mean, we've all done it. As far as it, you wanted to give you a producing one? Sure, why not? My very first live shift was on a Saturday on KTRH.

I did Money Matters with Pat Shin. Shin. After a Paul Harvey pre-recorded show, which I accidentally ended 20 minutes early because I hit the wrong button. Okay. Then I played about 20 minutes of PSAs. Public service announcements. Yes. Then we got into Pat Shin.

I screwed up every single little thing about his show. Pat is one of the sweetest human beings in the world. He told me I was doing a great job. He was lying. Okay. Then I ran Radio Gaga, hosted by Brian Erickson and Ramone Robles, who were my boss and then my boss's boss. Yeah. I screwed up every single little thing on that.

And Ramon Robles asked me if I was being, if I were overwhelmed. And if I was having, if I were having, he's like, you're struggling a little bit back there. You overwhelmed? you okay? I had to this is the man that had just hired me so I had to tell him

that everything was okay even though I was just screwing everything up and it was just basically a nightmare of my first life shift on my own.

We all have them. So there you go, Garrett. But Garrett, realize that Bun's very popular. I can't wait to learn more. I'm going to listen

to him on my home. Bun is a legendary figure. I would start you off with gosh, a super tight might be a little old for your taste.

Uh, maybe Oh, I'm sorry, too hard to swallow, I mean. Yeah, start with Super Tight. 1994 on it. Give it a listen. I'll listen to it on the way home today, too. Okay.

Perfect. We can go over notes about what we thought was a favorite part of the song. I'll be ready. Super tights won all the great time, all-time great albums. And Bunby and UGK put Texas rap on the map. It was a huge deal, Garrett. Real quick, I got two baseball things I want to get to. The Korean baseball organization starts their season tonight.

Okay. It's a good man, ESPN. Are you excited? I mean, I'm not dissatisfied. Are we picking team? teams? We can. I think everything teams

named the lions for some reason. That's not every team. I think most of them are called lions. It's like most teams MLS are called you know,

FC. No, I'm looking at the teams right now, Matt. Who are they? They're the Dusan Bears. They're like three teams in Seoul. The Hanwa Eagles,

the Kia Tigers, the Kiwom heroes, the Wiz, the Twins, the Giants, the dinos, the lions, the Wyverns. What's, what's name of the Wiz team? The KT.

Wiz. They're from Siouan. That's my team. I want to be a fan of the KT. Wizz. All right. So they're going to have games on ESPN, and ESPN broadcasters are going to do the games. Really? So they're going to have like John Shambi, who was on last week with Sean.

Like at midnight? Yeah, first games at midnight. Are there odds out on these games yet? I'm sure there are. Okay. No, don't do that. What? No.

I just asked the question. I just asked the question. Listen, MJ Light. I won't let you do that. I will not let you bet on Korean baseball games. Why not? Because... Let's bet.

Well, first of all, during the break, let's go find it. Okay. And then when I come back, I'm going to tell you about a former American League slugger with the Astros back a little bit. 229. It is the Matt Thomas show. And we're going to try to find out of it. There's betting lines or just betting on a number over under on wins. Find us some...

It's KBO is the name of the Korean baseball organization. Hey, yo, Adrian. Um, Rocky, my name is Alexa. Oh, I like to hear sports. Then say, Alexa plays sports talk. 790 on IHeart Radio. Whoa. How many shots to the head did you take?

A former America League Slugger says, everyone is always looking for an advantage. It's no different than the PEDs. There's always going to be things going in this game when you're talking about people making a lot of money and wanting to win. That slugger is former New York Yankee, former Oakland Athletic, Jason Giambi.

Hmm. says that they shouldn't be the they being the astros shouldn't be looked on any differently than anybody that used steroids during the steroid era uh he was pop for stories wouldn't he was yes he was yes he absolutely was and his phrase was i sleep great at night okay so is this the guy is this the guy that the astros won on their side um i don't know but staying with the stealing and illegal tactics, former Montreal Expo's groundkeeper Joe Jammer. And that's a baseball name, Joe Jammer.

What about Quentin Jammer? Says that Pete Rose regularly had his bats corked, oh my, in the visitors clubhouse at Olympic Stadium while playing for the Expos in 1984. Wow. This is what Danny Gallagher wrote for the Montreal Gazette.com. this is off with a quote. Pete Rose would have his bats corked in the visitors clubhouse

in Olympic Stadium, Jammer said in a phone interview. I found out he was corking bats. Pete was too smart to deal with Expo's equipment manager, John Silverman, to cork his bats. So Brian Greenberg, who worked for the visitor's clubhouse, did it. He took me into a room, a door to the left, and underneath tarp, there was this machine. Jammer recalled that he asked Greenberg,

what's that machine for? Jammer said to Greenberg, That's a machine for corking Pete Rose's bats. When Jammer told Greenberg he wanted to take a bat with him, Greenberg wouldn't allow him to. The guy Greenberg was saying Pete Rose had been corking his bat for 20 years. The guy said that nobody checks him because he's a singles hitter. I really can't answer those questions.

I really can't talk much more about it, said Greenberg. And when Jammer was asked Wednesday if he had an all-time favorite expose player, he replied, I had so many friends. He also suggested there were lots of nasty players and Rose was the one. worst. Rossi, it's just coming down to the realization that everybody, especially in baseball, we're cheating sums of bitches. How many stories, I mean, have we had any more stories about cheating than in baseball more than any other sport? In football, they've cheated how, the deflate gate. You had the video gate with the Patriots and the, uh, it's basically

the Patriots. It's the Patriots. It's not the box. It's not the, lions, it's the Patriots. Yeah. But there's been no cheating conversation about NBA, per se. I mean, blatant. A little bit of, you know, gambling and, you know, and scores, not scorechance. Remember that little bit of a, the Stickham controversy with Dwight Howard a little bit ago? A little bit, but never reached any sort of serious magnitude.

There's been point shaving problems in college sports. There was obviously Tim Donahey and the referee stuff. That was a huge one. but it's more interwoven in the history of baseball than any other sport. You think it's because there's just more players? More games? More rigorous schedule? I don't know.

I don't know. Because how do you... Maybe it's the way it's always been. But man. I mean, spit balls and mud balls and they used to, back in the day, they used to do all that kind of stuff. That's like, again, that's what I'm saying. If you're going to be one of those heavy-handed old baseball people or current players criticizing the Astros or anybody else that's ever cheated, then you better make sure

your own backyard is clean, right? And my guess is anybody that's a New York Yankee, anybody that's a Boston Red Sox should say not word one about the Astros. I'm still fully convinced the Boston Red Sox got away with as much as they humanly could. They had a fall guy. They didn't have a guy in their own clubhouse throwing their own on the bus. J.T. Watkins. See, I don't even want to know his name.

You do. I appreciate that. It's just, man, baseball is just littered with cheating from stealing signs, which I guess is not technically cheating. But somebody brought up the other day. Gaylord Perry was known for having a spitball. Known for years about it. And nobody did anything about it. You had scuffers as well. You had Mike Scott, allegedly scuff the baseball.

You had Joe Necro with a nail file in the back pocket. of a uniform. An emory board. That's one of the... Him trying to throw away the emory board. Like, nobody's going to notice. You had Sammy Sosa get caught with a corked bag. Yes.

And he's PD user. And Peds. I mean, damn baseball. Nobody should be on their high horse because everybody's got skeletons in their closet. Do they not? Yeah. It feels like way more in baseball than any of their sports combined. Yeah, there's probably other stuff.

We're not even remembered. Like, I think there's probably been cheating in golf, illegal equipment, golf balls that maybe have a little more tendency to explode off the clubhead. I mean, you know, everybody's horse racing of putting illegal things in the horses. Oh, those horses are getting all juiced up on something. Everybody's been cheating for a competitive advantage. But for anybody to be heavy-handed that's played a game of baseball, when they've either seen it or done of themselves, they're just phonies. and that's why, again, I'm not trying to defend the Astros because they're cheaters. I think we've done a good job of being consistent with that.

It's not fun to discuss our hometown team, the team that I grew up watching being known as cheaters. And they cheated like a mother. I mean, they really, really cheated. There's a way to cheat, and then there's a way to really cheat. And they did it with this long, exhaustive, awful process. But anybody that's involved with steroids, like Jambi's like, yeah, stop it, guys. stop ripping on the asteros because anybody that uses any illegal way

to gain a competitive advantage over somebody is cheating, right? Yeah. I didn't know the Pete Rose thing. My wife just texted it to me today. Oh, wow. Thanks, Joe Jammer. But how about the fact that Pete Rose is cork in his bats for 20 years? That's crazy.

Does that seem believable? I believe it. Do I believe Pete Rose or cork his bad? Yes. Is Pete Rose an a hole? Absolutely. Yes. Yes.

I almost have the full word. It came close. Yeah, because you know why people can say it full word now? Plus, if you're watching his last dancing, they're all dropping. They're F-bombing all over there. They're dropping F-bombs on ESPN. That's crazy. Like, would y'all be if I swore five times a day on the show?

Not like every five seconds, but just, you know, we have to keep things monitored. If they can do it on ESPN, why can't we do it? I need answers, FCC. Well, because they're not regulated by the FCC, I don't think. Oh, they're not? We are. We're family radio. Check out the.

What's on Match Mine show page? We're PG-13. Oh, definitely, very much so. We'll go to Jim to wrap things up. We'll get to you as well. 7-13-212-5-790. Also, want to remind you that tonight is our Monday night meeting at 7 o'clock. We will have Sean.

We'll have ND. We will have both Adams. I will be on there and somebody else. Gordy. It's a Monday night meeting from your friends here at Sports Talk 790. 247. It is the Matt Thomas show. Final segment here on a Monday. Thank you for being a part of the radio show. Good times and and bad. Imagine this. The University of Louisville is in once again trouble the NCAA over illegal benefits.

Yeah, there's a shock. Seriously. What's going on with them? Well, was that our Patino? Speaking of cheating everywhere. But at what point do you just say, a Louisville? Now, again, the Petino's gone. So this is water under the bridge, I guess. but how do you penalize the future of Louisville when Petino's been removed there a few years, hasn't he? Yeah, he hadn't been there in a while. Level one allegation involving improper recruiting offers for former Siney Brian Bowen II.

And the coach of another prospect and three level two allegations, including one against former Rick Patina, coach Rick Patino. So it's not all a Patino. Well, the problem is Louisville has just had one problem after the other. You know, I think in my mind, and this, I have no... Yeah, their national championship ripped. Yeah, I have no evidence of this. I think there's more cheating in college basketball than any of this other sports combined. I think because of the shoe deals?

Yeah, I think the AAU just feeds into that. Mm-hmm. I could see that. There's improper benefits at AAU. There's improper benefits from the shoe companies. Because remember, these kids are only sticking around for one or two years, so if they know they can get them, they got to compete against the future of the NBA. And so if I can, you know, $5,000, $10,000 here, $15,000 here for one year

greatness to fill my arena up to maybe go win a national championship. Agents are, it's probably a dirty pool with the agents as well. Because they use not as prevalent in football. There's just too many players. You don't have club football team. You can start playing football in seventh grade. I guess so took a basketball. But a lot of that is summer.

a lot of basketball, summer league and A, you know, that kind of thing. I just, I think the whole world is just assessable. I really do. That's a, yeah, that's a fact, actually. Isn't it crazy to say that college, the high school recruiting wars can be assessable? Mm-hmm. So. Because you know why.

It's big money involved. Business. Yeah. How about, speaking of shoes, how about Michael Jordan putting on the original Jordans for that game in New York the last time you thought he was going to play a regular season game there? And saying his feet were bleeding by halftime. And one more thing.

When I was young in this business, Ross, we used to make fun of Ahmad Rashad because he was always within two feet of Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan is driving to a playoff game in the United Center. And he's driving down from his house to the arena. Who's in his passenger seat? Ahmad Rashad. They're boys. There was no journalism there whatsoever. And when Michael Jordan.

Gordon goes on a two-week media hiatus because he was mad about all the gambling talk. He says, all right, I'm going to talk to somebody. I'll talk to Ahmad. And then I'm going to do it with my sunglasses on. Yeah, what's that about? Somebody made a great tweet last night or a great point via tweet. How hard would we be crushing Michael Jordan if that happened? Him coming, him not speaking to the media for two weeks.

He's the biggest star in sports, one of the biggest stars in the world, period. Yeah. He comes back on this interview, and he's wearing a lot of, sunglasses and he's like, I don't have a gambling problem. I don't know what you're talking about. He would be instantly memeable, as they say. I think the most disturbing part of it all was he was betting on the quarters against the wall. Because, I mean, let me tell you something. This whole thought of him going to Atlantic City the night before the game, doesn't bother me. He was, he was so spectacular in those games.

How many one, how many two for 19 games that Michael Jordan have in the NBA finals in his life? He had like two bad games Maybe, I mean, at the very most He's just wired differently From 12 midnight to 12 noon the next day Yeah, do you think By the way, 2.30 when you got a game at like 7, who cares? You think James Hardin's going, that's it?

2.30, Atlantic City That's nothing. Yeah, I've learned that these guys stay up to all hours. They don't do shoot around now. They didn't do shootarounds back then. They don't do shootarounds now, so they can, in theory, they meet for lunch.

It's what they do. Players, teams in the NBA today meet for lunch. You're in bed by five, wake up by noon. Well, you go five, you get up at 1130, you eat, you go for game film. They take pregame masks. And then take a nap. They all take pregame. Our hotels in a road are quiet between two and four every time.

Yeah. Because they're taking naps. It's crazy. All right, let me get to Jim before I wrap things up. Jim, good afternoon. Hi, I love your show. I'm a fellow Coog. We've got an old school Yankees cheating thing. Oh, go for it.

Did you ever read the book, Ball 4 or heard of it? I've heard of it. Jim Bowden. It's a great, yeah, great read. He ends up to the Astros, actually. But Wadi Ford was the pitcher for the Yankees in the early 60s, and Yogi Barrow was the catcher, who also ended up with Astros. And he would, when Wadi would throw a pitch, he would kind of bend over in the dirt

and rub the ball up. And when they caught onto that, then he would shine his shin guards. He would mimic his shin guards where he could scratch the ball. And Blighty Four could do anything with that. He was kind of at end of his career, but he could do, according to ballot,

he could do anything with that ball. The fact is, I just, all levels of cheating, I'm naive at the point of how bad it was or how bad it still might be. I'm just, I never could have thought in the world the Astros would have done the things they would have done to the links of it. And if one team's doing it, I just do not believe they are on their own. I believe other teams had just as sophisticated, maybe even a little bit different of ways of doing it.

But intelligence of trying to get a competitive advantage in an uber difficult world of professional sports had to have. I mean, nobody's doing it own naturality anymore, which is sad, but it's just the truth. I don't like to paint with a broad brush about one team's doing it, all of them are. but the more and more I hear, the more and more I see, I tend to do it more than I should, and that's just the way I feel. I just, I don't believe the Astros were by themselves. I don't believe the Yankees are by themselves. I don't believe that only five baseball teams use steroids.

I believe all 30 of them at some point were using illegal performance-enhancing drugs. I'm with me. One thing real quick. Also, one big theme of that book was Greenies, amphetamines. Some teams about almost everybody were doing amphetamines. especially with day games that are night games. Thank you for the phone call. Yeah, could you imagine 7 o'clock game?

You're partying, you're doing your game until 10, you go out and eat, you have a couple of cocktails, you're hitting the room at 2 a.m. You've got to 1 o'clock game the next day, which means you've got to be at the ballpark at 10. Oh, yeah. You hit the amphetamines. They're popping them like gum. Who was the player who's talked about how there'd be two pots of coffee?

There'd be one that was marked and one that was one of them had amphetamines in it, or pill they put pills in it or whatever. I'm going to get some coffee right now. It sounds good. You're going to wait in line? No, not that location. I got another one I'm going to. Okay, good.

Don't tell anybody because then the line's going to grow up. That's exactly right. I have a secret Starbucks location that does me just fine. Okay. Okay, so thanks everybody for joining the show today. We had a good time today. Well, flew by fast. Yeah.

Good job, Matt. Good job by you. Not a good job by you to Garrett. Bumby. Bumby. I'm going to have to I'm going to have to start calling him Bumby now on a regular basis. I was just going to ask, did I just stumble into a nickname? No.

I like that his mother-in-law used to call him Bumblebee for years. That's true. That's pretty funny. On the show tomorrow, we're going to have nice, relevant, interesting guest. We are? I'm going to start booking people right now. What do you want to effort? What do you want to hear about?

I'm trying to get Michael Jeffrey Jordan on. NFL Texans predicting the schedule week by week? Okay. No, it sounds stupid. Let's not do that. Every year we kind of laugh at people who run through the schedule week by week. We might have to do that this year. No, people are doing it before the schedule gets released.

They're guessing when the Packers game is. Really? Yes. On radio? I don't know if it's on radio, but I see people doing it. I wonder if the Texans and Lions will be on Thanksgiving Day. It doesn't matter when the Texas Lions and play. It'll be a win.

They might not play. They might not play them in front of fans. Adam Clatton. Anna Wexer, they are known as the A team, and they're up next on 790. Talk to you tonight for the Monday night meeting at 7 o'clock, Facebook.com slash Sports Talk 790.