The Matt Thomas Show with Ross - The Matt Thomas Show: NFL Draft, BOB Got Upset, Last Dance EP 3 & 4

Episode Date: April 27, 2020

Much larger than life. Yeah. Lunch timers is the Matt Thomas show. 12-0-2-H-Town. What's happening in lunchtimers? Good afternoon to you. And welcome to the Matt Thomas show on Sports Talk 790 alongside our producer Joe George, my cohort,

Sports RV, Rossville, or you out? Ross. Take the mask off. We're okay. without a mask. All right. I'm Matt Thomas. I will be debuting my mask at approximately 315 this afternoon.

Okay. Why, you have to go out in the public space somewhere? No. You got to go to the grocery store? No, I'm just saying I'm just going to take a picture of it. It's going to be my new avatar. Okay, great. What about this mask that you have on now?

Oh, that's also me there too. Or it could be Mr. Wrestling too. That's really a few of you. Mr. Wrestling? No, Mr. Wrestling too. There were two different Mr. Wrestlings. Really? And this one was the one I grew up with.

Who was Mr. Wrestling 1? I don't know. I never saw Mr. Wrestling 1. Somebody's wrestler name was Mr. Wrestling. Two. That's what they came up with? Yes, and Masked. That's who he was.

Long time. Mid-South guy. Okay. That sounds pretty lame. It is what it is. I hope you guys are in a fantastic mood today. The weather is glorious. The whole weekend's been just fantastic.

And thank God that while I was out spending time with my family and getting some fresh air, Ross was able to give us the proper draft grade for how the Texans did with their five picks this last weekend. I did? Yes, you did. Okay. I'll give them a B. See, I want to take you. Can you allow me a little space here on this?

Okay, sure. First of all, I hate draft grades. Yes. Because you only grade after the, it's like handing someone an algebra test and giving them the score before they finish the problems. That's why this radio show is going to give you draft grades of 2000. 2017 and 2018. Joe will give you his. Ross, you'll give yours. I will give mine.

Okay. But I've learned something about draft grades. When in doubt, if someone demand you give a draft grade about what just happened two days ago, give it a B. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Because here's why I was thinking, if it winds up being an A, then you thought, well, this draft even exceeded what I thought it was going to be. or if you give it a if it winds up being a C draft and you go well you know a little underperform but if you are the draft dork that gives out draft grades and they wind up having a D draft or an F draft you look stupid what I would in theory do is don't give out draft grades

so this show will not give out a draft grade of the 2020 draft until win boys 2022 well if we're still here you mean like in the studio or like Like literally here. Well, yeah. Like, is this the end of the world? No, I just mean, you know. Oh. When he said if we're still here, you were thinking, okay, so we're going to not be with us.

I mean, we might be replaced by a Tejano station by then, so who knows? I don't think we need to, is there any more need for Tehano? There's only like 17 of them. On the A.m. market? On the A.m. dial? I think we're okay. So, Joe, I don't know if the A team is doing this afternoon, but we are not going to grade this 2020 draft.

We will not grade the draft either. But I think you should. Why don't y'all step out a little bit? Should we grade the draft? I'm not graying this draft. Why not? Because, first of all, I knew of one player. And I'm not talking just me, myself, and I'm talking about anybody there is not a single

Houston member of the Houston media that had any thought about John Reed up until about, I don't know, 2 o'clock on Saturday. So how do you go ahead and start making grades when you don't even know who these people? people are. Okay, so let's see this. So John Reed, Penn State, what are you going to do? We're going to learn about them? Okay, what I'll do is I'll do one of two things. I'll go to YouTube and see a hot-ight reel, whether it only shows good stuff, or I'll steal somebody else's material, which we are accustomed to in this show. We call it a bit steal. So be very careful who you trust when they give out draft grades because they're doing one of two things. They are going to somebody

else's website and looking at a review of that person, or they're looking at a YouTube highlight film. That's not analyzing a draft. You can find cut-ups on YouTube. That's all I think. Go find sucky John Reed clips on YouTube. Look up John Reed got burnt. I'm not going to put that in.

You're not going to be a highlight reel of him getting burnt. That's what I'm saying. You're only going to normally probably find good things about John Reed. Like if you put in John Reed Penn State sucks, it probably is going to give you a limited sample size. there's a 10 minute highlight film for the big the big 10 network put up yes and there are a place of John Reed being uh uh toasted by a variety of receivers in a big 10 uh some nittany nation has put up on a number of uh videos my guess is a nitty nation is going to

probably put a nice spin on it so i don't want to belabor this but i just electric pick six against buffalo yeah trust your draft experts the game that put pin state on the map a game to remember. You're only fortified John Reed. You're the best. Thank you for

backing me up on this. There are like 17 highlights of his pick six against Buffalo. Thus, the reason why the Texans went with a fourth round

with him. No, look, I would only trust people that do it 24-7. I mean, that's the,

that's the Kipers, that's the McShay's pre-virus. Who else is a big joint? He can still bust down on tape while he's a quarantini? Yeah, but if he's

got a 104-degree temperature, maybe he's going to, things is skew. There'll be some missteps along the way. He's not hallucinating. That's exactly what he's doing. He's elucating. John Reed has elevated over the field.

Jayland hurts. Oh, my God, he should be the first pick of the draft. Honey, what's my temperature at 104? Okay, yeah, stay with that. Write that one down. Well, there are some grumpy people around the NFL. Notably still Green Bay fan. Jordan loved going to the Packers when they didn't draft an entire wide receiver. is making Aaron Rogers and any Packer fan really grumpy today.

Everybody seems to have been okay with their draft except for Packers fans. Yeah. Everybody else is like, you know what? Because if Aaron Rogers is gone in five years and Jordan Love throws for 4,000 yards a year and moves along this Green Bay offense, that'll be money. That'll be draft pig well spent. All right, back to the Texans. I do want to ask you all a question.

And you and I, and I've not brought this up to either one of you. If you are looking at the 2020 Texans draft, which is only five selections, are you including Laramie Tunsell in a drafting evaluation or are you not? Because I think you could clearly argue it either way. I do, I do count it. Oh, geez. It's part of the draft. And you're doing it for next year as well?

Yeah, that's part of it. So is it one half of Laramie Tunsel this year or one half this year? If you wanted to say, I'm going to use it for my 2020 evaluation, I could buy it. But you cannot split Laramie Tunsel in half. The less out of his body is not available one year. and the right side is unavailable as next. Why not? Because couldn't the evaluation change over the year, though?

Because if you look at the 2021 draft then, let's say he doesn't play well, your evaluation of the tonsil trade changes drastically between now and then. Here are my thoughts. I think you can only use him once. It gives him my rules. I'm keeping him in my back pocket for next year then.

Number two, he cost you way more than any first round pick whatever cost you. And he also alters how you draft in the future. Hmm. Because if you would have been able to get somebody else, you may, you know, that would have been further solidified and had a first round pick, you're saving a lot of money, and then you can go in that next round

and grab somebody else. Instead, you have gone all in on your offensive line. I guess I'm saying is that I think there is a, if this happens, then happen, you know, I think there's a way for them to decide and, like, for instance, they had to get rid of DeAndre Hopkins, right? Because they just got so sideways with the check. other. And they wanted David Johnson back in return. What if there was a great running back they would have loved to have taken with the 40th pick? Even better than Ross Blacklock would have

been. That doesn't happen because of deals that are being made. And I'm not necessarily just saying Laramie. I'm just talking about all the trades that have happened with all the draft picks that have been flipped. So I wouldn't use it. Do I think that's a component? Yeah. But I don't think you can go out and say, well, the Texans draft was awesome. In the first run, they selected Laramie Tunsell. Because I think some people are trying to do that. And I think they're doing doing that because you're trying to justify the tremendous haul the Miami Dolphins got in return for your starting left tackle. Yeah, I think that's a lot easier. I think the money element is what you mentioned is good. And if it were one first round pick, I would be much more ready to buy that. I can't buy it when it's two first round picks. Yeah. So, and again, not that I want to spend a lot of time figuring out if he's a part of the draft or not,

but it's just one of those things that's being talked about a little bit. And so I would probably lean towards not, but it does mean with this signing, and by the way, he's going to speak to the media in about 50 minutes from now. We'll have some of the sound bites of that coming up a little bit later on the show. They're going to, they were supposed to meet at 3 o'clock. They're down doing it at 1. But we'll play some of the sound bites free and see what he has to say. You know what the greatest thing about Laramie Tunsell is? Is apparently it's a pretty damn good negotiation. Remember he fired his agent? You know why he fired his agent?

Because he knew he had all the leverage. And why would you want an agent to take 2% of your dollars when you know you're going to win in the negotiation battle? That's exactly why he did it. And I wanted the agent knew that or not. Or do you think the agent was just a who was this guy? Was it Jimmy Sexton? It was one of those fairly recognizable NFL agents.

Because when I heard the name, I thought, man, that's a guy that doesn't get fired a lot. I guess we can look it up. Yeah, I'm trying to look it. He did it because he's like, wait a minute. The Houston, Texas is trading me for two first. Jimmy Sexton is correct. Yeah, I mean, Jimmy Sexton doesn't get fired a lot, right?

I wouldn't think he's got a long list of people that have said, you suck. He keeps getting Nick Saving paid. It's true. He, you know, they give all the draft picks. What's that? He screwed Scotty. Pippin? Yeah.

That was Jimmy Sexton. That's Scotty Pippin contract? Are you sure that that? was him and screwed him or Scotty Pippin screwed Scottie Pippin? Well, 50-50. Okay. We have lots of get-to on the radio show today, which will feature the evaluation that Ross, Paul and Paul, that Joe and I will do, I was thinking Paul George, Joe. If Paul George were our producer, it would be cool.

Can I call you Paul George? No offense, Joe. God, if your name was Paul, you wouldn't be able to live, right? Yeah. I'd have to go by your middle name. I share another Matt Thomas in the NBA. He's a three-point specials for the Toronto Raptors. Yeah.

Very on brand. Not very good. He's not terrible. What do you mean? He's not traveled around. Oh, go shoot some YouTube high. He's a young kid. Oh, YouTube highlights.

YouTube highlights are always good. Yes. Yeah. That's right. There's Brian Scalabrini YouTube highlights. Yeah. The White Mamba. Don't besmirch that name.

All right. The last dance was amazing. It was really good. Amazing, amazing. And by the way, Isaiah Thomas is on the, PR tour to try to fix his besmirched name. Michael Jordan further dug in the grave on Isaiah Thomas's. And by the way, he wasn't afraid to admit that, yeah, it hurt my feelings that when Michael Jordan basically told the USA basketball, Isaiah ain't playing with us.

We get that. We have Deshawn's Watson's contract about to be picked up, Laramie Tunsell's extension, and how good looking was Carmen Electra? Holy smokes. A lot of work done. Does it matter? 48 years old, looks fantastic. And the NBA might be resuming practices in the next

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713-212-5-790. 7-13-212-5-7-9 if you'd like to get in on the NFL weekend that was, by the way, 55 million people had their eyes on it at some point over the three days. That's crazy. That's why these sports leagues are like, we've got to get back on quick as possible. Rossi, the ratings for a Sacramento-Sharlett game. might top 25 million. I'd watch it. Oh, to watch a live game of any, sir?

I would love to watch Terry Rozier when the Hornets tear it up and one of the Zellers. Would you watch a Baltimore Kansas City baseball game? I don't even need you don't have to finish the sentence. Would you watch fill in blank sporting event?

Yes. Yeah, it's crazy. I did put a poll question of over the weekend. And it was about what we're going to see next because in theory, this is the last thing, right, guys, that we're supposed to see sportsy-related? What's on the schedule? Nothing.

Calendar's pretty clear. I mean, I have a daytimeer, which I love my, you know how much of my day time. Yeah, a little bit too much. Oh, yeah. There's nothing in it. The month of May is empty. Not even my daughter's volleyball, not even any station activities. It's blank.

What should say, Mother's Day? You get a good present for that? That's already typed in there. Well, actually, Matt, we're going to have to, Selective baseball team soon. Do you see that ESPN's working on a deal with the KBO? Oh, nice.

We tried to, and Ross gave us erroneous name. Yeah, that was a Taiwanese one. Yeah, this is a completely different league. Hold on. Wikipedia lied to me. So I was looking at some kind of Taiwanese summer league rather than Taiwanese regular baseball, I guess. I don't know. Okay.

It's very confusing. Yeah. So I put this poll question up, and I've lost the results of it. I guess it's on my phone here. I said, what do you think is going to happen next? what's the next event? And I gave the four options. Oh, that's right.

NCAA, NFL, NBA, or Major League Baseball. I got the results for you if you'd like. Go ahead. First of all, I voted NBA game. Leading the way is MLB at 49.9%. So that I would presume the other 50% think the NBA will be wiped out for the rest of the year. 26.7% say NBA. Yeah.

And then NFL 15%, 8.6% NCAA football. You know what is the least likely to return? Right away would be college football, right? Yes, because they're talking, well, they're talking about springtime, but we had that athletic director's poll and only like 15% of them thought it would be spring football, but we'll see. Yeah, it was all, it's all conjecture anyway. But it's interesting that most of you think that baseball would be the first one to come back.

That's interesting. I would think because of the social distancing in the respect that you could separate, it's hard to separate yourself in the dugout. It's easier in NBA, I think. No, but there's no physical contact in theory. You have a little bit of collision between second baseman sliding in for a tag or something like that, but in first basement holding on to somebody. But you can, I mean, the outfield is separated by more than six feet.

Again, I don't know if that even comes into play. If you're worried about social distancing, then you probably aren't playing team sports. Right? Correct. Because the NBA is everything not social distancing. Very much so. All right. Let's go to Joseph and Pearland at 1223 in the mat.

show. Joseph, thanks for holding our afternoon. How you're doing, Matt? You're doing okay? Yes, sir. Oh. Yes, you're on. Hello, and about there? Nope. We're not here. Nope. Okay, thank you. We tried. Joseph tried to call back on a better line there. Well, that clicking is also on our end, actually. We're having phone issues. They're aware of it. Who's they? Engineering. How did you know about it? It happened to my Saturday show. Started this weekend on all of our stations. Wait a minute. So we've had no phones working since Saturday? Well, they're working. It's just that there's a loud clicking noise. You just go with the beans.

Yeah. Okay. So you get a full board, Matt. We'll be fine. Okay, let's go to line two then. You're on the Matt Thomas show. Thank you for a whole line two isn't even working. Oh, there it is.

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If you want to reach out through Twitter, you can do that as well. At SportsMT, at SportsRV and at Joe George. All right, let's get the last answer. You want to? Yes. I didn't realize how much Doug Collins perspired. He sweated everywhere.

That perm that he had going back in the day. Yes. Gross. But a lot of guys in 80s had perms. Yeah, I guess so. It was the thing. And he wasn't fat. No.

He just was demonstrative. Yeah, he was just up there and energetic and drenched with sense. Literally drenched with sweat. I've never seen another coach. Oh, how about that? Oh, there was the, what's the, what's the Arizona's coach name? Sean Miller or whatever. Yeah.

Yeah, he's pretty bad. Yeah. There was that video of him in the final four where he just looks completely covered. That's where you've got to go with the full undershirt, right? You can't go with the tank top. If you sweat like that, yeah, he needs to put some underarmor on or something like that. So there are various things that I've learned about this group of players and really about the Chicago Bulls that I didn't know about. And it would have taken me three seconds to go look it up on Wikipedia.

But I thought that Michael Jordan might have been a coach killer. But in fact, he loved Doug Collins and wasn't all the way vested into what Phil Jackson was. And if you learned it and watched it last night, the reason why it was because Tex winner wanted to put in the triangle offense, which a lot of other guys not named Michael Jordan to do his thing to let other guys win games. And Michael at the time did not want to buy into that because Michael's like, Wait a minute. I'm scoring 45 points a game. And I was stunned at the way Doug Collins basically treated one of the best assistant coaches in the history of the NBA, took Tech's winner off of the coaching, the seating area where they normally assistant coaches go,

and put them on the scorers table and just took notes. And Jerry Krause is like, this guy knows what he's talking about. We're going to run this triangle. And Doug Collins is like, over my dead body. He's like, yeah, you're fired. I mean, if you don't run what is asked of you, no matter how good of a coach you are, you're going to lose your job. It's pretty interesting, and one of the themes of this whole series so far

has been how Jerry Krause is very strong-headed, but a lot of times he makes the right move. Nobody liked him, and everybody, it seems like the players and a lot of the coaches don't necessarily care for him and all that stuff, and he's very strong-headed and says, hey, we're going to fire Doug Collins, we're going to putting in Phil Jackson. That was the right move, obviously. Now, firing Phil Jackson ultimately was the wrong move.

You get where he was coming from, though. I mean, Michael, I mean, Scotty Pippen was like 33. Michael Jordan's like 35. You have an aging, broken down team. And we'll find out more about this as a series of moves along. But this was not an indictment against Phil Jackson. Why couldn't Jerry Krause say, you know what? Phil Jackson, you got something left in that coaching tank.

And guess what about? He went to Los Angeles and did have a lot of left in the coaching tank. Now, granted, he also had Shaq and Kobe as his lead dogs. But by no means that anybody, I remember this, vividly at the time, thinking, what has Phil Jackson done not to warrant? not only losing his job, but why is he getting an extension? I mean, this is a guy that was a teacher of the game. He was far from rolling the ball out and letting Michael and Scotty do their thing.

So, yeah, Jerry Krause, Ross, excellent general manager. Terrible people person. And also Phil Jackson's shoulders made me uncomfortable. Yeah, but he, the two most uncomfortable pairs of shoulders in NBA history are Kevin McHale and Phil Jackson. Correct. These weird bony shoulders. It's made me uncomfortable. And they were both in the episodes last night.

They're like hiked up. Yeah. Like Frankenstein. I was worried for him. I was like, can somebody get this man to some kind of doctor? You know I was most concerned about is that no one told Jerry Krauss that never at any point were short-sleeved dress shirts ever in play. Is that right? Well, think of the people of the 90s, the most fashionable people in the 90s.

Yeah, I guess. George Cooney. Did you ever see anyone in a short-sleeved dress shirt? Probably in a movie or something. I don't think so. A younger Brad Pitt? Short-sleeved dress shirt? Nope.

Probably. Do you ever see Robert De Niro in any short-slee dress shirt? Yeah, Oscars Red Carpet, 87. Said 90s, not 80s. But not a bad comeback. 1228 on Sports Talk 70. Lots of other things to get to. We can thank Dennis Rodman for one thing.

We can thank him for a lot of things. But there's one thing that's happening today in the NBA that we didn't even realize what was happening back in the 90s when he did it. We'll explain that in a minute. 12, 28 is at time. If you want to get in, do not call line one. Call the rest of them. 713-212-5-790. 7-1-3-212-790. It is the Matt.

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With Joe and Ross, I'm Matt. We thank you very much for spending some time with us today. 713-212-5-790. So we learned a lot about Dennis Rodman yesterday. He actually could shoot a jump shot back in the day at South Eastern Oklahoma State or whatever it was. He didn't do much of that in the NBA. He was more of a rebounder defender.

Boy, do we fully appreciate how great a defensive player he was? was. No. Just so good. Kept rebounds, kept possessions alive with offensive rebounds, and didn't take poor shots. He'd grab the rebound and throw the ball back out to one of his scores right away. So good. Perfect type of third wheel on a championship team or a dynasty, really. It's funny how, and they noted this, that he loved being the

second wheel when Scotty was hurt. When he became the third wheel, he became he wanted to go get drunk. Yeah. So let's put it, let's run through his life. Yeah. Wild. Just your one to two word thoughts, Carmen Electra and Madonna. The goat. Let's see. Rough childhood.

It was homeless. Went to a small school. Very meek, I guess, young in his NBA career. When I say Carmen Electra and Madonna, what do you think? You go boy or... Madonna seems kind of nasty. Well, she's well traveled. That's what I'm saying.

But when did that travel and start? To start with Dennis? Madonna would have been? I don't think so. How old is she now? She's probably in her 60s now, right? So that would put him at, it was 23 years ago. That put her about 40, right?

Maybe 38 somewhere. She's 61. Okay, so that puts her 30. That's prime Madonna. Yeah. Definitely prime Carmen Electra. Yes. Goat.

Okay. Goat? Carmen Electric, a better, now than in the photos they were showing then? How about both A&B? Carmel X was better when she was younger. Yeah, I would go, I mean, just by age.

I don't know. She was great last night, though. Holy smokes, does she look good? I don't know. I guess we weren't want... Look, look, first of all, I would marry her tomorrow, okay? Okay. Let's get that out of the way.

That's fine. That's fine. I don't know. She just looked like it was a little too much work done. But anyways... I have zero problem with her. Okay. No, Rodman's not close to the goat.

You're going Jeter or Timberlake or John Mayer or something for that. We've done that before, remember? That's true. We did a Fantasy 5 of Ghosts. That's good. That's awesome. Yeah, why don't you have the A team steal that bit? I think Wex would do with that one.

John Mayer's list is sneaky good. Okay. So here's what I said before. He taught the NBA something before the NBA even knew what it was. In the middle of the season, this is the 97-98 season, he's like, I need a couple of days off. And MJ's calling BS on this from the get-go. Because it's just 48 hours. Well, it wound up being

several days. Yeah, was this All-Star Break or they had a couple of games? Like, what happened? This was a dream. How many games did he miss? It was not clear how many. Guys, he was load managing before low-managing became load-managing. Well, no, and then it's, we talked so badly about the guys

today and what they do in basketball with minutes restrictions and taking days off. The one thing the last answer showed us is that that's been happening since the 80s and 90s. Jordan, seven minutes a game when he came back from his, or seven minutes a half when he came back from his foot injury, Robben just taking days off.

It's more common than I think the modern-day fans realize. How do you know how common it is? We're just looking at two different examples of one basketball team in the last, in a 10-year stretch. I don't remember Dream, young dream, taking minutes off. The only time I remember him actually being kind of on a, minute restriction was during Ramadan because he couldn't ingest anything or swallow.

You know, he could only take the water and swig it out of his mouth and go. And that obviously would hurt him, you know, especially in places that had the thin air like Denver and Salt Lake City. But I'm tough. Ramadan is tough. To play basketball through that is incredible. Yeah. So I'm just, all I'm saying is I just don't, he, he asked for it and he got it. Against Michael's wishes.

I mean, Phil understood. They talked about him being the, what was it the weird Native American backwards walker or whatever? That's kind of the genius. I think we got a lot into the genius of Phil Jackson and how good he was at managing personalities and knowing guys and being personable with them and all that type of stuff. All that stuff matters for a coach, even at the highest level.

Yeah. But he understood, we'll give him a couple of days and he'll be fine. Because here's a thing. It's what it is is basically it's like a vacation. He needed a, couple of days away from the grind of the NBA. And here's the thing. For as crazy as Robin was, and he got a really quick trigger and would get thrown on a lot of a games, especially in his days with San Antonio. And Detroit was pretty much mild. San Antonio, he lost his mind. And then the Chicago was a pretty good mix of him. But you never questioned how hard he played when he got out there.

If there was a rebound to grab, he would grab it. And so maybe that's what Phil was thinking. He says, if this is somebody else that's dogging in or not playing hard, then, you know what? I mean, I get him. Plus, as Phil Jackson has said for years, and this is something I've really learned about him, is that you can't treat every player on a team the same. Michael Jordan is going to get different treatment than Luke Longley is. It's just the truth. Tony Koo coach can be treated more differently than Dennis Rodman was.

And that's why Dennis, to my point, Ross, in the last segment, that's why Phil Jackson was such a good coach is because. Just because you have the superstars doesn't mean you can manage them. And Phil Jackson has done it for two different NBA franchises. Managed tremendous egos, tremendous stars, knowing there's only one basketball on the floor for those two guys, any of those superstars at one time. Yeah, because to Phil's credit, then when he goes on to do in L.A., I guess it eventually leads to the breakup between Kobe and Shaq. But he treated Kobe like he treated Michael. Like he said, in the last dance, you yell at him, you coach him hard, and that's what they want.

But he knew how to coach Shaq, too. And there was an internal beef with Kobe and Shaq with that. But Phil just knew the right thing to do all the time. Like, I didn't realize how much of hippie was. That photo of him, when they said he dropped acid, and he's just in the back of a car and he's, like, smiling with his mouth wide open, was awesome. Like, Phil Jackson is, they're like a one-of-a-kind NBA character.

Yeah, very atypical of, you know, he was, you know, he's doing a lot of the, Was he writing books or reading books and he was handing him off the players and whatnot? Yeah, he's something that very much I've come to appreciate now that he's not with us in terms of being a coach. There's a front office guy for the Knicks. He was a hot mess. But really anybody that touched the Knicks has turned out to be a disaster for a better part of 20 years. Yeah, it's not his fault. You get a free pass on that, right?

Yeah. I mean, Mike Tentonio. It's like if you're head, like Bill Belichick gets a pass for not really winning a whole lot in Cleveland. All right. Just Cleveland. A few other things from there. What else is I'm going to bring up? Carmen Electra Rodman.

Oh, the Detroit Bulls playoff series in the non-handshad. Yes. Which has been really talked about ever since the moment it happened. We've been talked about forever, and now it's all up on Twitter again as well. So yesterday, so this morning, Isaiah has made the run on ESPN trying his darndest to come across as we made a mistake. We should have shaken their hands. MJ last night if you watched it obviously You want to know part of that

And I don't know if it was ever directly discussed on the show But it was this morning at ESPN Isaiah knows that because of that And because of the brutality of the Pistons put on Chicago And the Bulls and Michael Especially in that first championship run they went through The Eastern run That's the reason why Michael went to USA basketball

And said do not put Isaiah Thomas on this team Now excuse me, Isaiah has been known as a clubhouse politician for a long time. Isaiah has had a tremendous amount of success as a basketball player, not so much as a basketball executive, as a league commissioner, as an advisor. He's had a very mixed run of things off the basketball court. But on the court, one of the greatest players ever to play. Ross, to be fair to say, he may be one of the greatest players we never talk about.

Isaiah Thomas? Yeah. I would say so. People on Twitter are talking about how, I mean, this is a guy who beat Magic, Bird, and Jordan, all in their primes. Pretty much he only wanted to do that. Now, of course, his teams did. It was a team effort. Right.

I mean, we're talking about three of the greatest dynasties ever, and the Pistons had that little brief moment in time where they won back-to-back championships. It's crazy. So he's been apologizing over and over and over again. And the first thing I think is, do you buy it? I think there is a little bit of remorse there I think so none of it you think he's just lying

yep he's not sorry at all because again am I right about this joke he has this fallout he has this smile to your face but would stick a knife in your back in a millisecond if he could yeah I'm pulling the audio so you can play it so but the reason why I don't buy is because he he disrespected

Michael because no one where Isaiah's from cares that he's from Chicago. So John Sally went on a TV station today and said the reason why the beef started was because his nephew was wearing a Michael Jordan jersey when he went home to Chicago. Like he's just, he's petty. Everything about Isaiah Thomas that we've heard is just, it's petty. And the fact that Michael, when they go to him last night and the director says, I'm going to show you this video of Isaiah, and he just is like, I don't need to see it. Whatever you say, it's a lot.

Because here's, because here's the thing about Jordan. Like Jordan's an SOB too. Don't kid yourself. To be the all-time alpha dog, you have to have that in you. But I will give Michael credit when the Pistons beat them, that first of the two back-to-back conference championship series, Michael made a point to go over those guys and shake their hand. And do a post-game interview on the court. Yeah. Not only did the Pistons not shake their hand, they walked right in front of the Chicago Bulls.

There would be zero excuse. Well, you could say, well, because the fans got on the court. or security was too tight. The game was still going and they walked across the sideline where the players were sitting on the bench and they didn't do anything. Now, you would think how petty that is for Michael to be so mad at Isaiah that he did that, they would preclude him from playing in the Olympics. But it feels like that was just the final straw.

And that nothing that Isaiah will ever be able to say to Michael Jordan will ever be for him to forgive him for doing that. Now, is that petty? Like, grow up, get past it? Or is it, that's the ultimate sign of disrespect. You can everybody give anybody on a basketball court. Because Michael's certainly making it feel that way. Is he not?

He's still holding this grudge. We're talking about almost 30 years to the day these two teams played. It's pretty crazy. And I mean, we've had even the last years, right? LeBron James walking off the court, not shaking hands. Tom Brady, when he lost the Super Bowl, didn't shake hands, and everybody getting mad about it. It doesn't bother me.

that much, I guess, but I understand that, first of all, Michael Jordan is guys that's going to hold a grudge if you slide him in any way. He's going to hold that grudge for like 40 years. So that's why he's holding this grudge against Isaiah Thomas. He may not be the most fair indicator, because it'd be almost like if you could go to a Steve Kerr on the team, if you could go to a Tony Kooch, Horace Grant. Horace Grant. Would they have such, because I don't think Horace necessarily wouldn't accept it either. Well, yeah, he called him certain words. and then they say, you know what, it didn't matter because we want. So if it didn't matter, then why you're holding a grudge for like 30-something years?

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Cougars coach Kelvin Sampson here. You're listening to the Matt Thomas show on Sports Talk 790. It is a Matt Thomas show. We look forward to having one of you, six of you, nine of you, call the show between down three o'clock. We're okay. As we'd like to say here, Ross, we're the most interactive show in Houston. 713-21.

That's a bit steel. I think every radio host has ever said that. Okay. Have you ever heard a host say, Joe, you worked in different markets. This show is really not really interactive. We don't really particularly care what you have to say. I don't think anyone's ever said that. They probably thought it.

They just don't answer the phone. We do invite people to come in at 713-212-5-790. 7-13-212-5-790 on Twitter at SportsMtMtT at Joe George Radio at SportsRV. You mentioned 55 million people watching the NFL draft over the weekend. And how many, I'll be honest. I didn't watch any of Saturday because rounds four through seven just there, nobody knows who they are, generally speaking. I think he did one costume change on Friday. He did two on.

How many different outfits did Roger Goodell wear on Saturday? Did anybody have any firm idea of this? How involved was he? Was he even on? He was. I think he was wearing a T-shirt at one point. Was he like in a tank top? Flip-flops?

I don't know if you guys are the same way in, but when you get home, if you've worn nice clothes, you typically... They're off in 30-6. seconds. Yeah. I mean, was he down to a t-shirt and thong at some point announcing picks?

You mean thong sandals? Yeah. And by the way, they never got rid of those dumb-ass fans. Yeah, it was stupid. It was lame.

And him going, like him doing the skull clap and stuff. What is going? Or like, come on Jets fans, you can be a lot of them that. I thought on Friday,

he just progressively like his pills were setting in or he progressively was having some wine or something. You know what it is? He's missing people, too. He doesn't talk to anybody. Do you think Roger Goodell

is stir crazy? Who in his office would he invite to his little, by the way, his little man cave down there in the mansion? He isn't a people over? No. Would you want, if Roger Goodell said, hey, come over, let's have a beer. I mean, would you want to do that? I would, absolutely. Nah, he's probably not a fun hang.

Okay, besides the curiosity element. That's what it is. Okay. Like, for instance, there are people that are friends of mine and coworkers that hate the president, or if it's a Democrat president, they're. public and they hate the Republican. I would, if Barack Obama or Donald Trump or anybody in that office ever invited me to go have a beverage, I would go for the strictly curiosity of it, for sure. Okay.

If Bill O'Brien-I'm talking about is Roger Goodell a fun hang? Because we're talking about guys going over his house. No, but I'd be blown away by just being there. If Bill O'Brien said, hey, come to where Jack and I do our draft here in my backyard and I'll go a cookout. I'd go. Wait a minute. I just asked Wico we argued about going to dinner with him and you said you wouldn't. Yeah, dinner is in cookouts, two different things. Oh, boy, oh, geez. If he's cooking, oh, by way, we're going to get to at the top of the hour this little,

I was just having a Zoom meeting conversation. Oh, man, that was fun. We will discuss that coming up in about six minutes or not. Okay, Billy. But, yeah, I'd go. Don't you want to know what, don't you curious what his house looks like? Guy makes $40 million a year. I'm sure he's doing okay for us.

Like, who is the, you don't have to, I guess I could. Who is the richest person that I know that you've ever been their house? Uh, one of my cousins is married to a doctor. They got a nice house in Austin. I have a friend of mine used to play for the Minnesota Twins who made probably when he was there five million dollars a year. Okay. And it was a very nice house, but I wasn't blown away by my goddesses is a mansion. Yeah, they live in a really nice house and a really nice neighborhood in Austin.

I'm trying to, I'm not. It's not like palatial. Yeah, I'm trying to think who's the richest person's house. That's a great question. Like a 10,000. You ever know a house that a 10,000 square feet in it? No. That's what Roger Goodell lives in, right?

Yeah. There's no chance he lives in a... There's no chance he lives in a loft. But then again, we saw a Belichick's house, and that dude looks like he just lives in a normal house on the corner. I mean, in all honesty, if there's anybody's house I want to go visit? It's Bill's. It's Cliff Kingsbury. Oh, well, yeah.

Because you don't know not only what a house. looks like, but who's coming over? You're probably tripping over underwear as you walk into that thing. Hers or his? Both. Both. Is Cliff Kingsbury having women throw underwear in him? No, sometimes they leave it behind, Matt.

And then you don't remember whose it is and you got to leave it up in a box in the closet and wait for them to ask for it. Something's gone right in his life. Very pedestrian. I mean, he's a good college quarterback. Not great. Did not get to survive in the NFL as a quarterback very long. It was a backup for Brady for a little while.

Goes to his alma mom. or actually bounces from U of H to A&M gets his first head coaching job at his alma auto where they just, I mean, this is our guy. And he was just as about as average as it gets. He takes an average coaching, actually slightly below average coaching career, and it turns into being an NFL coach with one of the young and upcoming teams in the NFL. With Larry Fitzgerald and DeAndre Hopkins and this Connery Qathe who looks like he's being a pretty good quarterback.

I mean, he's doing something right. The karma is definitely on his. side. Yeah. Dashingly handsome. It helps. So if he was ugly. Yes.

Yeah. You know what? Yeah. If Cliff Kingsbury were ugly, there's no chance he has Arizona Cardinals job. So you think the Cardinals hired him because of his looks?

It didn't hurt. I'm not saying it's because of his looks. I'm saying he didn't hurt. So you're telling me if Cliff Kingsbury looks like Charlie Weiss, he would not be the coach of the Cardinals. Yes, correct. I'm sticking by that.

A Mark Mangino. Yes. I don't know. Charlie got a lot of jobs. Charlie did get a jobs. And he's getting paid still, I think, by Kansas. Yeah, but Charlie didn't get fired at Notre Dame, and then all of a sudden he's the head coach of the Seattle Seahawks or something.

He didn't fall up like that. He might be, and there's others that have gotten good jobs. He kept pegging down to Kansas. Can you name another coach, and I'm sure there's some, that went from a fired from a decent job to hired right away at a greater job? not really think about that for a minute there's got to be some examples somewhere

because it doesn't make sense because Lobick is a special place not it's not everybody okay but that was supposed to be the job he wasn't going to ever give up on until they gave up on him and then he gets an NFL job where he's got I mean

minimal expectations and all of a sudden Now, they're like the new hot team to pick in the NFC. To go 8 and 8. Might be good enough for Walcott. Third Walcott, you never know. So think about that, y'all put your thinking caps on. Name somebody that got fired from an, I'll give you an example. And there was a little bit of separation, but Belichick was a very average coach at Cleveland.

I want a playoff game there with Vinnie Testiv. Now, he does get the New England job after Parcells, right? Well, he'd had the Jets job for like a day. Okay, but Parcells was there, right? But he did get a coach upgrade. Who did he replace New England? Didn't he, didn't he replace Bill Parcells? No, didn't he replace Pete Carroll?

Yeah. Pete Carroll. Okay. Pete Carroll got fired by the Patriots and ended up at USC. I don't know if that was right away. He had, no, it wasn't right away. And I mean, that's a step down. It just is.

But Cleveland and New England. And they went to the, do they ever go to the playoffs with Carroll in New England? I think so. That's when they lost the Super Bowl, right? They lost the Super Bowl, the Packers. It's a Brett Farve. Okay. So, yeah, he did okay for himself there.

1258. Let's start the second hour of the Matt Thomas show with whether or not you believe. No, what? Go ahead. Pete Carroll was, that, that Super Bowl year, I think Parcells is there. Parcells. But then Pete Carroll came after. So in Parcells, Carol, and then Belich.

Yeah, I think. Okay. But there wasn't a whole lot of separation between the last days of Bill Belichick and Cleveland and winning on the New England. Parcell stopped being the head coach in 96. 97 is when Carol started the Patriots and he was there until 99. So Belichick took over in 2000. Yes. Belichick was with Parcells with the Jets.

He was supposed to take over there. Then that whole thing fell through for whatever reason. And then he took over the Patriots. Very confusing. It is. I think we've confused the audience and I'm definitely confused. All right. Apparently, Bill O'Brien was confused about the Zoom meeting. So he says. We'll discuss that next on 790.

Is the Matt Thomas Show. 104 on the Matt Thomas show. This is our two of three. We look forward to having you a part of the show, whether you're listening on your radios, IHeart Radio app, calling in at 713-212-5-790. Rossi, I will say this. As much fun as this last day, has been and the draft stuff. It'll be nice to actually have people calling in with like,

did you see what happened last night? Or man, that sucked at how it turned out. We have, that has been the biggest void of our show. We've had plenty to talk about. But we just haven't had the, like the most calls we've had during this entire time. Do you know what it was?

Of course. Deshawn. No, DeAndre. DeAndre. DeAndre Hopkins trade. And that would be the case if there were rock. regular if there was just regular season Rockets games i mean we're not day to day getting a ton of calls on those either yeah but we would be having trust me as somebody who did a lot of those post game shows as someone that got in a car and timed out gerard yeah you're right outside of he and

maya we appreciate love Maya but my always thinks that when she calls a show that no one can hear you can hear me we hear you every time so my if you're listening every single time when ross says Maya you're on the air we hear you right that is uh dangerously accurate matthew Well, that's because I listen to the show. I listen to listen. That's funny. All right. 713-212-5-790 if you'd like to join in.

7-1-3-2-1-2-5-7-90. We're going to, because we're responsible radio host, Ross, we're going to break down the Texans drafts of 17 and 18 in the next segment. Okay. Right now, we're going to discuss why Bill O'Brien looks so irritated because all he was doing was messing around with a Zoom account on the weekend. According to him. Now, can I take his defense on this one?

Oh, wow, this would be a new one. Hear me out on this. Sometimes when people ask you what got you all upset, you don't always have to tell the truth. Clearly, he was upset, and it was spent widely reported that he wanted to make a trade with the Detroit Lions. something fell through. What that is, we won't know because clearly they didn't want to tell us. Well, I also have a conspiracy theory about this, but go ahead.

I'm just, all I'm saying is that something fell through. He was pissed about it. And what he didn't want to do is throw his, the opponent under the bus, because that might eventually hurt potential trades down the road with other teams. And him in the Texans and Lions. I've gone through that a million times. There have been things I've been very mad about. So when someone said, what are you mad about?

I've told them something else. And how? The only difference is that the rest of the world didn't get to see that through video camera and through a live feed on the NFL network and ESPN. So in my mind, he could have just said we had something. We thought we had something going and it didn't and we were disappointed. But to go to the, well, Zoom meeting, I don't think anybody believed that. You can see him saying, what happened, Jack?

What happened? That's only the part that I can read. And then there's definitely an F-bomb in there. Which we know that's what he likes to do. Yeah, well, I mean... I mean, among top 10 F-bomb dropers in Houston, he's probably six or seventh. I think you and I are probably up there, too, Matt. Just saying off air.

Me? Do you all think I drop a lot of F-bombes? It's like crazy. I'm a lower third F-bomb guy. Okay. I'm a higher BS guy. Well, how about this, though, Matt? When this happened, the Texans were on the clock with pick number 90.

Yes. They were in talks with who? According to John McLean? The Detroit Lions. Yes. Whose head coach is? Matt Patricia. Who came from?

New England. Do you know who's on the clock in 91? The Patriots. Correct. I had to guess that. That was good. Okay. Is there a conspiracy?

Did Bill Belichick deploy Matt Patricia? to mess up Bill O'Brien on the clock in order to make them all frazzled and maybe not pick somebody that Bill Belichick might have wanted and then back out of the deal at the last second. Okay. It's a conspiracy theory, man.

I will walk down this road with you. What's in it for Matt Patricia? He's just loyal to Bill. That's his guy. Don't buy it. When he gets fired at the end of the season, he gets his job back? There you go.

That's much better. I'll accept that as an answer. Thank you, Joe. Because if Matt Patricia goes 4 and 12, the lions will fire him too. like they have fired almost every coach in the last 25 years. Yeah, you could argue that he might, was the question if he would have been fired after this year.

All right, so let's go through this. Matt Patricia and the lion sucked this year. He gets fired. Matt, Patricia calls and says, Coach. Remember what I do for you? It's Bill. Look, we got a guy we're looking at at 90, 91,

and we need you to call Bill O'Brien, make a trade with him, but then pull out of the trade, just to throw him off. Make sure he doesn't draft our guy. And it will get you at least a defensive line, when you get back. Look, we know you're going to get fired over there. But just in case it doesn't happen, good luck to you. But if it does, we'll give you a job back. All right, Ross, I have two problems with your conspiracy theory. Oh, dang it.

You know why? It's so much fun having you here, Joe, because previous folks always like to take the opposite side of me. You've gone after him. That's mostly true. I'm mutual. Yeah, you're mutual. Going at us. Yeah. So you just, you just crush all of our souls. likes being wrong more than the other. So my two problems with this, Ross, are one, you and I have already deep dive conspiracy theory that Bill O'Brien is a sleeper agent for Bill Belichick.

So I feel like... But Bill Belichick wouldn't screw over his own sleeper agent. Yeah, he would. His double agent? I don't know. As long as he doesn't know about it. As long as it's all fair play and he doesn't know. Problem two, they drafted a tight end.

So either Bill O'Brien was going to draft a tight end or that's where it falls apart. You think Bill, you would have put past Bill O'Brien to draft another tight end? No, but the team I root for has 10 tight ends on their roster, so what do I know? Exactly. It's possible. Ross, it's great and as well thought out as your idea is, I don't buy it. It's just a conspiracy theory, Matt. They're supposed to be holes in the theory.

But I like the theory, though, that Jonathan Grenard was going to be traded to the Lions with that pick. And then when the Lions pulled out, Bill O'Brien just drafted him because they didn't know what else to do. I like that conspiracy theory better. Okay, so Matt Patricia was screwing. He went rogue. He was screwing the Texans on his own. All right. So let me ask you this.

When Bill O'Brien was asked about it in the Zoom meeting after Saturday's draft, do you think he came up with that answer organically? Or do you think someone said, someone's going to ask you about you throwing a bitch fit on the meeting? What can we use as an excuse? Who's idea was it for him to say we were messing with the Zoom? Jack. Yeah, I mean, it's not that hard of something to come up with.

Oh, the phone lines are messed up. Oh, the Zoom was messed up. Well, whatever. I was on mute. Jack was on mute. Well, no, but they said they were like pulling a prank. They were messing with people. Do you think they even just talked about it before he got answered?

Wait, what? Answer that question. What was the prank thing? I hadn't heard that. No, isn't it? They said they were messing with the guys on the Zoom or something? You know what? Let me say if I can find the transcript.

You guys talk for a minute while I try to find the transcript. Okay. I just don't understand. messing with them, like as in it was getting messed up or they were messing with the Zoom and they shouldn't have been messing with the Zoom? Do you just want to hear from Bill O'Brien? Yes. No, we were messing with the Zoom. We were

messing on the Zoom. That's not pranking. Myself and Easterby and all the guys. No, nothing agitated. So I thought the camera's on the whole time. I don't know. We were just messing around on the Zoom. We're on the back patio here. We made a lot of we've done a lot of business on the back patio over the last couple months.

What? Is he? Okay. I don't know if that means pranking. I know, that's, yeah. Unless like Jack Easterby was like mooning him or something. Once you hear him say messing with the Zoom, it sounds different. Yeah.

Yeah, I don't think he was doing it in order to try to, like, hey, let's call Atlanta and see what they're doing. We'll screw with them right now. Well, Detroit might have been screwing with them. You know what I'm going to do? We have our Monday night meeting tonight. Yes. I might try to screw around on the Zoom too, messing around. Is Ross participating?

Well, I mean, it's starting at 7 right when my show. What did I tell you before we went on the show today? You can't do it from here? I get. I just haven't done it with this. I like using my own microphone and my own camera. I'm going to be able to do that. I'm doing it from here.

Just do it from here. It's fine. He did it from here last time. It was fine. I mean, you don't pay attention to half a minute. I have a certain level of quality to ascribe to. I can see the Tiger King background. We'll go back to go to your apartment's five minutes from here.

Go back to the time. Okay, it works now. Yeah. If those we have never seen our Monday night meetings, Ross always has these amazing backgrounds. I'm going to go back to me next to the tiger, I think. So tonight it's Adam Sager, Adam Wexler, maybe Adam Clinton.

He's on dad duty. So that's 50-50 on that. Put the kid on. Joe George, myself. Clinton's always got something to whine about. Let me see. Let me text him. MC.

And Michael Connor will be on there as well. Ross, can you put yourself next to me? being yelled at by Bill O'Brien? Probably. Why don't we start calling you Ross Easterby? Hold on now. Or Blilock. Yeah, I guess I am. Matt Thomas is lackey. That's not true. Cohort. 114 is our time. Hey, there is no other station in town

that is breaking down the Texans drafts of yesterday year like this one is. We'll tell you about the 2017-18 drafts because we're working and thinking about 2020 right now is simply stupid. 114 on Sports Talk 790. The most awkward nooner you'll ever be a part of. This is the Matt Thomas Show. We are your official home of NFL draft grades, Sports Talk 790, the Matt Thomas show. How official?

Very unofficial. We have nothing official with the NFL whatsoever. Unofficially official. Yeah. All right. I'm going to give you five draft grades of what the Texans' 2020 draft grades were like. and you tell me what this man it says about draft grades. Okay.

NFL.com, gentlemen gives the Texans of B-plus. Which year is this, 17 or 18? This is 2020. Oh, I'm sorry, 2020. I thought you're going to go back to the pastels. We're going to go back to. Just for the sake of putting things down. Okay.

NFL.com says B-plus. Good. Yahoo says C-plus. Okay. S-I-B-minus. S-B-Nation B. Sure. New York Post's D.

What's the New York Post's issue? I don't know why. They just didn't like it. When the New York Post, you got a D. Right? The Jets and the Giants, A's. Everybody yells, D's. D's right here.

Bill O'Brien can have a pair of these. D's right here. All right. Now, let's go to 2017, gentlemen. Oh, okay. This is how we doing here on the Matt Thomas show. We don't talk about what could be going on. We're going to tell you what actually happened.

Seventh round pick of 2017 was Kyle Fuller, the center from Baylor. Okay. Fifth round pick 169 Tristan Dissued of Oregon State Who could forget Fourth round pick

Carlos Watkins A compensatory pick from Cleveland One start in 2019 May have a chance to get a little bit We're playing time If Tim Jernigan will share up some spots with him Okay Fourth round pick

Juliana Davenport The defense offensive tackle from Bucknell All right Third round pick Deonté Foreman from Texas second round pick Zach Cunningham and Deshawn Watson a first round pick Joe George are you paying attention

would you like to grade the 2017 Texans draft here's how I think you should grade it if any fifth sixth six or seventh rounders are like really decent players you should get like serious bonus points for that sure that's fair first round pick

should absolutely hit second and third should be decent role players I think you get a little credit for hitting a first round pick because there are a lot of busts in the first round. But I'm saying, if first, second, and third need to be a lot more hits than misses. 5, 6, 7 is like the gravy. You can eat chicken fried steak without gravy, but it tastes better with gravy on it.

I mean, John Ross was taking 9th in that draft and just hasn't worked out. It'll get there, though. All right, granted out. You know what? Davenport has been pretty solid. Watkins is an okay player from what we've seen so far. Cunningham's really good. Watson can be great still. Foreman, he's not out of the team.

So I give him a B-minus. Rossi? I'll go B. Okay. I mean, you need to... Also, you have to factor in that they traded up to get Deshawn Watson. Yep. They wanted to make him the guy.

It was a good pick. He wasn't necessarily... I mean, he slipped as much as he did because there were question marks about Deshawn Watson. They trusted in him. They traded up for him. Zach Cunningham's a good pick. Deonté Foreman tore is Achilles.

I'm kind of, I mean, I want to say, I mean, when a running back does that, it's his career is over. That's not necessarily their fault. he was coming on. So I'll give him a B. Okay. Grades of that draft that year were NFL.com A, USA Today B-minus, S-I-A, CBS Sports C-plus, ESPNC-plus, SBNation C-plus. Hmm.

Interesting. In this particular case, it's a mixed bag, but pretty close to what it was. And I feel like a lot of times if you draft a franchise quarterback, you get an automatic A. Like, I don't like what the Dolphins did this year, but they got A's across the board. because they got 2-0. And they also had so many first-round picks to me. How could you screw that up? Yeah.

See, I feel like they did. But they got 2-A, so they got their quarterback. Dolphin Weekly coming up at 6 o'clock here on 7-90. Next, 2018 draft. Seventh-round pick, Jermaine Kelly, cornerback. Sixth round pick, Peter Calumbi. Columbi.

Come on, now. Sixth round pick, Jordan Thomas. Six-round pick, Duke Egeofor. Egeo-4. Fourth round, Kiki Qutti, third round, Jordan Akins, third round, Martinez-Rankin, third round, Justin Reed. No first or second. Joe, the draft grade, please.

B-plus. I'll go B. You know what, fine. I just don't want to agree with Joe, so I'm going to go to a. Justin Reed, fantastic pick out of there, Martinez-Rankin, whatever. The Jordans, the tight ends have been decent. You know what you did with Martinez-Ranking? You traded him with that Kansas City.

Yeah, Carlos Hyde who rushed for 1,000 yards. Hatchez-J-4. Two-Gedgedge-4 plays. Peter Colombole plays a little bit. I don't even know who Jermaine Kelly is. And Kiki would be good if it wasn't. Considering you had no first or second-round pick and you got a couple of some of these guys are still playing and playing decent,

especially Justin Reed. Yeah. I'll go A. Justin Reed for me. Justin Reeve makes it a beef draft for me. Deshawn Watson makes it a beef draft. beat draft for me. When your superstar, when your top guy is your main hall and you've got him as a starter, that helps. I think that's most of the grade, I think, honestly. Like I said, I think your top

picks are weighed significantly heavier than your bottom picks, although you kind of beat your chest when you get a seventh round pick that's helping the cause. Like for instance, Jordan Thomas, six-round pick. He helps out, right? Tight end? Yeah. Yes. That's a win. Yes. But then you have, I mean, Jordan Aiken's third round's done okay for himself. I mean, you know, so yeah, B's. By way, this year, SB Nation C Plus, Bleacher Report, CSIC, and NFL.com A. So what we did right there, gentlemen, I hate to tell you this, Joe, because you're still young in the business. That's called Responsible Sports Radio right there. That's actually seeing what they've done for a couple of years, then giving a draft grade.

If you want to go back to like 2015 and 16, though, easy. They're all Fs. These draft classes are bad. When you go back and look at them, well, there's one draft, but there's nobody left, right? Or maybe like one player? I think 2015 Bernardrick McKinney's left and Christian Covington. No. Covington's not.

Is he still here? 2014, I think there is no one left from their draft. Well, I mean, that's a lot of years. I was going to say, you know what? Here's the 16 draft. Will Fuller. Okay. Nick Martin.

Okay. Braxton Miller. Two for three. Tyler Irvin 2 for 4 KJ Dillon 2 for 5 DJ Reeder

That's a That's a good pick That's like a B Yeah he started For fifth rounder In the way that he played That's a good pick Yeah and look where

Yeah he's that's a win You couldn't pay him 14 million a year You just couldn't That's right That's Braxton Miller pick is just It sticks It sticks out bad

Yeah And Tyler Irvin was a reach too Right for being a small Oh how about this though If we can add this in Undrafted Free Agent Kymie Fairbearn On his second contract

Third highest paid kicker The NFL kicker. Where's Rick Smith's credit? Come on now, everybody. Let's go. Yeah. Will Lutz was an undrafted free agent kicker there as well. All right. So my point is that, you know what? It's okay to give the draft credits because you know what? What else we're going to do? It's not going to hurt anybody's feelings. It's just my point is I just don't like it when everybody thinks they've got the grade when they didn't even know who these players were 72 hours ago. It's like trying to, you ever listen to Joe and. Ross knows this. People trying to talk NCAA basketball when the brackets come out.

Yes. Pisses me off to no end. It's so bad. So coming up next. I really like Wichita State's defense. Up next, a deep dive into Maryland versus Temple when we couldn't even name a player an hour ago. But we'll do it because we're going to go steal other people's material. So I would just say preach patience, which I think most people are going to do.

Are we ready to hear from our brand new. ridiculously rich left offensive left tackle? I would assume that those sound bites are coming in, right? Unless he's still... I think he's still talking. Damn, he's still talking? He's very eloquacious, Matt. He's also very rich.

Yes. Really rich. And you know what, guys? The highest paid... Even though Larry Tunsel has some mental errors with all the false starts last year, he's really smart because he dumped his agent. He saved all that commission. Yes.

How much is the contract worth again? The extension was... 66 million? 67 guaranteed. Okay, 57 guaranteed. You give your agent 2%. That's 10%'s 5.7 million. 5% is 2.8.

So that's, you're given, you saved him a million and a half dollars. Yeah. How nice is that? That's pretty good. Now, I would represent him for like a half percent. Yeah. Well, he represented himself. He had to pay whatever union lawyer looked over the contract.

Right, right. It's like a flat fee thing. They're not trying to hoodwink him about, hey, let's sleep this. slide this one of the contract. But he did save himself some money, that's for sure. 713-212-5-79. If you'd like to get in this afternoon, 7-1-3-212-5-79, if you want to reach out through Twitter, you can do that as well.

At SportsMT and at SportsRV and at Joe George Radio. 90 minutes in, 90 to go, as we celebrate not having a draft grade for the 2020 draft class, but just more importantly thinking about now the roster is officially set. The line looks better, the wide receiving core. And Ross, as I'm watching the draft, there was still one thing that pissed me off more than anything else. Hmm. Bill Belichick's dog? No, I'll just tell you what it was when we come back,

but it's something that's going to piss all of you all of you over and over again. Sports Talk 790. Iheart Radio, the free app for your music, your stations like Sports Talk 790, and number one for podcasting. 133 on the Matt Thomas show, 713212,000, if you'd like to join us, the current NFL odds are out for next season in terms of winning the Super Bowl.

And it's funny, everyone, I don't know if this is just a betting trend or not, but everybody's odds grew bigger. I don't know why, except for a handful of teams. Let me tell you whose odds improved since February. Okay. Buffalo went from 40 to 1 to 28 to 1. Okay. Arizona went from 80 to 1 to 50 to 1.

From getting DeAndre Hopkins moved them from 80 to 1 to 50 to 1? I guess. Don't hold me back on this. All right. I'm trying anybody else that's done. The Saints went from 16 to 1 to 14 to 1. The Buccaneers clearly from 66 to 1 to 12 to 1. But most teams, their odds grew.

Chiefs were 5 to 1 odds right after the Super Bowl. That's emotional first. Let's go put more money on the champ. They're now 13 to 2, which is 6.5 to 1, not a dramatic difference. Ravens were 8 to 1, and now. now they are 7-1, so they've actually improved a little bit. The Niners went from 7-1 to 10-to-1, and I think a lot of that is because the Buccaneers

were getting so much run towards themselves and even things out. Saints went from 16-1 to 1 to 14-1. The Cowboys go from 16-1 to 18-1. In the AFC side of things, of which you care about, let's take a look. Jacksonville went from 80 to 1 to 250-1.

That's just bad money. They went from 80 to 1, 250 to 1? Yeah. Huh. I guess because people thought they were going to get a quarterback and they didn't. Right. Tennessee went from 25 to 1 to 40 to 1. Indianapolis stayed right where they are at 33 to 1.

The Texans go from 33 to 1 to 50 to 1. The Texans are 50 to 1 when the Super Bowl. Right now. Give me the other 50 to 1 teams? Other 50 to 1 teams are Arizona, Atlanta, Chicago, Denver. the Chargers, the Rams. Look, I know we like to dump on the Texans and they're far away. 50 to 1, I like that.

10 bucks will get me 500? Well, they don't. Yeah, but I mean, same thing I can say about the Giants, but I'd be throwing my money away at the Giants. But the Texans have made the divisional round of the playoffs, and I think it's possible if they get some contributions from these draft picks and their defense is okay. Well, the next coach can do that, because I've told you before.

How many times have I told you? The Texans are never going to the Super Bowl with Bill O'Brien. I understand that. Okay. But they're far, they're closer than Arizona. Arizona was 5-10 and one last year. Arizona's got Kata Murray a year older and one of the elite receivers. Who's going to have a better season this year?

Arizona are the Texans. I'm not ready to tell you that right now under no circumstance. Okay, the Texans. I'm going to say it. I'd say the Texan just because of how, how just good the NFC West is. Thank you. Yeah, this one's saying, situations matter with the football laws. Vegas believes the Niners are dropping a little bit.

No, it's not a whole lot. And they got the Rams you said at 50 to 1 as well. So that's another team in the NFC West. Yeah, I mean, the Texans are better than the Rams. Or have a better shot at the Super Bowl than the Rams. I have 50 to 1. What website is this?

I'm about to open up a count next break. I mean, just to put like 20 bucks on it. I think it's bovada, I think is what it is. 20 bucks is going to get me a G? Is my math on that? Right? Yeah, that's right. No.

Wait, right? Yeah. You know what? I'll do some money down on something. Okay. I think the Dallas Cowboys at 18 to 1 is a good pay. Well, you know what? Since you said the Texans are never making it.

Right. Lay me a $1,000. I'll put $20 and you put up $1,000. To do what? The Texans won't win the Super Bowl. Will not win it. Yeah. I have to give you $20 to say that?

Let's see the odds are 50 to 1. No, these are Bavada odds. This is not Matt Thomas's odds. Oh, you said never. So theory, you should offer me a... like a thousand to win. But I'm not a handicapping service. Okay.

No, they're not. No, they're going to go to Super Bowl. It just won't be as Bill and Brian as a coach. All right. Let me put up 20. So what did you do? Why don't we do? Why don't we do something more responsible?

Let's go over the coach that's going to take the Texans of the Super Bowl. Let me put up my 20 and you put up your thousand. So I'd win $20? So I'd win. $20? No, it's a terrible investment. Well, then that means the odds are good. So you want to make a wager of which coach is going to take the Texans in the Super Bowl?

No, we're having two different arguments. He wants me to win $20 on a $1,000 bet. I'm not doing it. Yeah, that's a bad idea. Well, see, that means it's a good bet for us. If you won't take it. Would you take $50? You're telling me, if I gave you $20 to bet on any of those NFL teams.

50 to 1, yeah. Just because the odds are greater doesn't mean it's a good investment. It means you're going to have a bigger payout, but it doesn't mean it's a good investment. I think it's a good investment. Yeah, absolutely. But if you're in your heart of hearts believes that Coach O'Brien cannot lead this team to a championship, then it's a waste of mine. I think he could luck his way into a championship. I think DeJohn Watson could.

Who lucks their way into a Super Bowl win? Forget about just getting there. Joe Flacco, 2012. Eli Manning. Joe Flacko. Both of the times, they had great defenses. Joe Flacco through, what, 11 or 12 touchdowns and no interceptions? Lucked his way into us. That's not luck. That's not luck. 11 touchdowns means I throw the ball and someone catches in the end zone. That's not lucky. That's pure definition of luck of not throwing an interception.

Joe Flacco not turning the ball over his luck. No, that means he stepped up his game. No, that means they got lucky. You mean to tell me that he took a seven-strap drop, close his eyes, threw the ball high up in the air, and somebody caught it. That's lucky. Yes. No.

He didn't close his eyes, obviously. That's ridiculous. That's yours. He didn't go on a lucky run or that's Joe Flacco. He had a lucky run, but it wasn't, but it wasn't lucky. He did it because he was great. He had short-term success. Joe Flacco was great.

great. No, he had short. Those words just came out of your mouth. No, he had a great postseason. And I'll take a step back. I will erase the term lucky. He stepped up when he absolutely had to step up. He played above a level he is normally capable of.

That's variance in love. That's not lucky. Yes. That's like somebody in a basketball game making five three-pointers in a row. That's not lucky. Yes, it is. No, it's not. If he's incapable of shooting the ball for a three-point goal, it's not lucky.

Okay. It's not. Lucky is taking the ball from half court, heaving it high on the air. That's luck. So if Clint, if, uh, wouldn't I even Clint Capel, whoever, who is that,

if Isaiah Hartinstein makes five three, three pointers in a row, that's not him. He's doing something abnormal. He's just a great, exactly. That's luck. No,

luck is having the ball have it mind of its own going, should I go in, should I go in? I think I'll go in. No, he put it in the air. We're arguing semantics at this point. Yeah.

He's, it's a, it's a good side of very, He played above where he was normally capable. He played above the very, but it's not lucky. I'm saying that's possible for the- Lucky is putting a coin up in the air and landing on tails every time. That's possible for the Texans to do that.

Of course, there's an element of luck as well. Balls bouncing your way, getting of certain turnovers and stuff like that, of course. If the Texans were in the divisional round, and of course things didn't necessarily go the way, you're going to tell me if they play that game 50 times the Texans can't get one. No, I didn't say that. Of course. That's what I'm saying. But you only get one bet at that.

It has to happen a couple of times. You don't get 50 bets at the game. Of course, you have to hit a couple of them. I think 50 to 1 is fine. That's what I said. Okay, lay me the 1, and I'll put up 20 bucks. No, it's not going to do any good for me. You're only thinking about it from your side of it.

How can Ross take advantage of the situation? Not taking advantage. These are the odds. If you're so, if you're so Team O'Brien, give me a thousand. We'll just make it even. A thousand to a thousand. Yeah, why not? Yeah.

That would mean the odds are one to one. They're not even one to one for the chiefs. I don't care about these odds. I'm talking about grown-ass man. That's not grown-ass man-offs. Okay. So if a team is 17-point favorites and I say, let's bet like grown-ass men, you're going to let me have the 17 points?

Yeah, but I might give you the 17 points, but I'm not going to make it so at the thousand for you and 20 for me. No, it's not. There's no grown-ass man. You play by the odds. I'll give you reasonable odds. If you want to make a $100 bet that the Texans that go win the Super Bowl in the next three years, I'll give you three to one.

What? Yeah, why not? Now I'm confused. If the Texans go to the Super Bowl in the next three years, that's how this works. I don't need Beauvada to tell me this is us talking about whether or not they're going to go or not. These are the odds. That one person's odds.

One person's odds. You don't just because they're offering doesn't mean you take them. I think 50 to one is a decent bet on the Texans. That's all I'm saying. I think it's throwing money away. Okay. Well, then put up the money. No, because there's no, there's no payoff for me.

There's no satisfaction out of it. I don't need to make $20. I'm going to put that in the stock market. Well, that's poor choices time. Yeah, maybe. Actually, the Star Markets up today. The dip's over, right? Yeah.

I think we're okay. It's flattening. Okay. 142 of the Matt Talbush show. 713-212-5-790. 7-1-3-212. Matter of fact, this is one of our questions tonight for the Monday night meeting. 50 to 1.

Are you putting down $20? Well, that's not. Of course you would. Why wouldn't you do it, right? Just to say that you did it. But you have no, you should have no strong conviction that they're going to cash on it. I don't think they're going to cash on it. I don't think.

I don't think they're going to cash. I think it's good odd. Okay, but if you get zero out of it, it's like my wife. That's how equity works. My wife tells me, hey, you wouldn't believe all this money I save on all these clothing sales online. I would tell her, I said, you know what? You'd save a lot of money if you didn't spend any of it. It's completely different, man.

In my world, it's the same example. Because I put on, me and my buddies when we were in college, we put out bed on the, on the Cubs at like 500 to 1. Mm-hmm. And they got to the national champ, the NLCS. Did you hedge? No. I didn't know what I was doing. You got a hedge at that point.

But yeah. You lose DeAndre Hopkins. You get it for a ham sandwich and return. You do not deserve to go to the Super Bowl. This is what 50 to 1 means. If they played the 2020 season 51 times, will the Texans win the championship wants? In my mind, no.

Okay. In my mind, yes. Okay. You're Mr. Optimism. One out of 51? I think they could do that. I don't know. They've been around 18 years or 0 for 18 at this point.

So you're telling me there's a chance. I am. 143 on Sports Talk 790. 713-212-5-790. The time, the station, and the show. 7-1-3-212-5-7-90. Daryl here. Let's go, Rockett! This is the Matt Thomas show on Sports Talk 790.

148, Matt Thomas show continues on Sports Talk 790. Ross is trying to guilt me into helping him with his 50-1. No, not. Yeah, you are. I'm not guilty in anything. I just think it's money being thrown away. In my conviction, I don't, you could be 300 to 1 odds and it wouldn't make any difference to me.

Okay, offer me 300 to 1. This isn't a question of me offering to try to make money. I just don't want to throw my money away. There's other teams I see value in. I don't believe that Bill O'Brien is capable of leading the team with the Super Bowl. So why would I bet against, why would I bet against my conviction?

In my mind, I'd be throwing money away. I would be happy if you spent the money. money and you won. I just think the NFL especially lends itself to teams that can get hot at the right time and crazy stuff can happen. And it's easier to me to win a Super Bowl with luck than say a World Series or an NBA finals. I think the Houston Texans, for the most part of this decade, 2010 to 2020, have had plenty of chances to be that lucky team.

Numerous division championships with different quarterbacks, two different coaches, how many four or five divisional playoff games to use your logic. And this is my world, they've had their chances to get lucky. And they haven't. And I'm not willing to bet on this year of all years, them doing that with their top receiver being gone

in a very suspect running game coming in. Well, Tom Brady left the New England Patriots. That's good. They're not going to be as dominant as they once were. You still, of course, the Ravens are going to be a huge problem. The Chiefs are obviously a huge problem. You know how we feel about draft grades, but if you were to go scan anything,

everybody loves the Baltimore Ravenstrand. Yeah, look, I'm not coming out here and saying the Texas declaring the Texan Super Bowl champions. I'm saying they could win one out of 51. I think. Just a quick search here on trying to find like the biggest odds to win a Super Bowl.

So far, the worst I found are the Rams in 1989 were 300 to 1. Oh, wow. To win the Super Bowl. Okay. So that's before Trent Green. gets hurt.

Yeah. And Kurt Warren takes over. I put $10 on that. I'd won three G's. Now that you've opened yourself up to research, can you find me a really long shot team that won one that would have been in this category of 40 to 1, 45 to 1? We just said 300 to 1.

Yeah, I think that's the only what I can find. Oh, that's what I can find. Okay, that's what I can find. Yeah. That's the granddaddy of them all right there, right? 300 to 1 is huge. All right, let's go to some phones. Say how to some people.

Hi, Larry and Katie. You're on 790. Good afternoon. Yeah, I think you're looking at this bet completely wrong. If you went to a craps table and you put $20 on the pass line and they roll the two, you're out $20 and it's very short and it's not very happy. But if you make a bet like that, you go home, you put the ticket in the desk, and all season long, every time the Texans maybe win two or three games in a row you get to go, well, you know, maybe there's a chance. so you get a whole season of entertainment out of that ticket, whereas at the crash table, you lost it in about 30 seconds.

Plus, if you win, you get to tell mom, hey, I got to go to the casino. I have a thousand dollar ticket I have to cash in. Well, I don't you put in that perspective. I think it makes a lot more sense, Larry. Because if there gives me a chance to go to Lake Charlesville, I wouldn't like Charles would Las Vegas. I'd be happy to do that.

So you're helping me get out of the house. And for that, I appreciate it. I did that last year. And I actually, you know, every time the Texans win, you start going, you know, I still don't think they're going to win the Super Bowl, but hey, you know, it's entertainment money. Okay. I'll go with that.

Thanks to the phone call. Appreciate it. And realistically, if I was to take, we're not going with $20. We're going to go put some money on futures. We're going to take $100 with us. I'm going to put $2.50-hour bets down. Give me two chances. All right.

I'm going to take the debt. Dallas Cowboys at 14 to 1 for $50. And I'm going to, I'll take an AFC team just for the blank and giggles. I will take the Buffalo bills at 28 to 1. Okay. There would be my $2.50 beds. Not that I think either one of them are favorites, because clearly Baltimore and Kansas City, and it's the rest in the AFC.

But if you're really looking for me to go outside the box and find something out of the comfort zone, Buffalo at 28 to 1. And by the way, they were, again, they were 40 to 1 on February the 3rd. They are 28 to 1 right now. Okay. I'll just act like you and be like, well, you're throwing your money away because they're not going to win. Okay. Here's another one for you.

Because I have no conviction. From my research. Hold on one second. I have, I have, there's no reason why I have no conviction of Buffalo or Dallas. I have zero conviction in the coaching. So you think Buffalo has a better chance of winning the championship than the Texans. Really? Yes.

Because, again, it doesn't make any sense to y'all. I'm just telling you, Bill O'Brien in playoff. games. I've seen it a lot. Okay. I think he cost you games. But Sean McDermott is leading the bills of the promised land. I think the Buffalo Bills, if you're going to use an example, is an up-and-coming team. Yes?

The team the Texans beat in the playoffs last year. In overtime. Almost late in overtime. Thanks to Deshawn Watson. Yes. Andy Andre Hopkins, who's no longer here. And that running back. that's gone. Taiwan Jones.

Taiwan Jones. I think I kind of see where you're coming from with this, Matt. I don't know if I agree with you. I don't know. I see where you're coming from. I'm just telling you, if there was any other coach, let me give you, if Shaw McDermott was coaching the Texans, I'd go take your money right now, Ross. I'd say, let's go do it. Let's go put the 50 to 1 o'ounce. I think coaching matters, and I think he can cost you. And he's

cost this team in the past, and he will continue to do so. Whether it's as a general manager or the coach, The problem with the Texans isn't the players, isn't the strategy, isn't the food, isn't the training. It's what's happening Sunday between noon and three or on Saturday, 2.36.30 during the playoffs. I think 50 to 1 is fair value. What are you going to say, sir? The Eagles won the Super Bowl in 2018 at 40 to 1 odds. Good.

That's good. Yep. Let's go to Dan and Houston on 790. Hi, Dan. How you doing, gentlemen? Good. You know what? I wouldn't put 50 cents on at 1,000 to 1 because.

this is a thing. If you lose all pros, and even a good running back, and you go get a bunch of third stringers who are about to get bang up and aren't even good... I don't think Houston's even going to go... I can see him maybe winning five or six games

next year. You don't lose great players and get bad players and get better. That's just not good math. You don't lose great players and get okay players and get better. Well, their philosophy is, and Dan, thank you for the phone call. Their philosophy is last year's Texans wide receiving core was

DeAndre Hopkins and not much else. A little bit of Kenny Stills, right? Very little bit of Wolf Fuller and no Kiki Kootie. The Texans had to be thinking, look what we've done for our quarterback. Do we have that guy that's going to go win the 50-50 ball every single time? No. But I've got Brandon Cooks running down the field. I've got Kenny Stills running down the field.

I sure is how Hope Will Fuller can come help us out. And then who's the other receiver would be in the mix? I don't count the seventh round guy, but if Kiki Kootie, whatever the case. He's hoping that the sum of the group is better than the one superstar they let it go away. And you could see it, but there's just there are a lot of ifs. The Brandon Cook's if, the Randall Cobb if, the Willfuler, huge if. They're all ifs.

That's the problem. Yep. And I do have a problem with David Johnson being counted on as much as he is supposed to be counted on this year. because the last two years of his NFL career do not show that he is the guy that you can count on for that. Brandon Cooks, you know I've been consistent about this. Brandon Cook stays healthy, gang. He's going to help his football team. I mean, really help his football team.

I hope. He might help you forget a little bit about Deandre. A little bit, not all the way, but he might help. But is he not one more concussion away from maybe never playing again? I mean, too many concussions. I don't care how many games he's missed. It doesn't matter. When you start getting into a secondhand in concussions, that's a troublesome thing.

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Here we go with the final hour of the Matt Thomas show on Sports Talk 790. Alongside Joe George, Ross Villarreal. I'm Matt Thomas. We thank you very much for joining us here on the show today through your tweets at SportsMT, at SportsRV, and at ProNiclo. Actually, not pro-nick low. It's at Joe George Radio. Joe's filling in beautifully. Thank you very much for that.

Also, we have news of the day with our members. Tunsell speaking for the first time. Do you want to do what you're talking about Laramie? I don't know if I want to do that. I do want to do Bill at some point. I can't wait for the games to come back. So that's one of my favorite things to do is... These are old.

We can't do which time about Bill when we're going to know. Bill O'Brien. Well, how about this, Joe? Why don't we put you in which talking about Laramie? You've never heard these cuts, have you? Oh, I have not. Okay. So let's do this.

We're going to give you an opportunity. Now, see, this is Gordy slugging them, which means they run a little hot and cold. we'll do you know we'll see well here's what we'll do we'll give you each three of them and we'll see who judge is better

all right yes you make me laugh at I know that's right so I'll give you each one of them and then I'll I'll be the judge to see who does a better job okay okay we'll start with Joe first

Joe Laramie Tunsell 16.8 seconds on being the highest paid O-Linman in the NFL I like my money and he says that for about 15 seconds all right here we go To be this highest pay office alignment.

It's a blessing just to be the highest pay office alignment. You know, you always dream of times like this. And we got it done, especially not having an agent doing the deal by yourself and getting it done is extremely, extremely a blessing. Blessing. Blessing a euphemism for awesome. Yeah. Joe, we need a little further explanation.

It was 17 seconds. You went with one phrase. Sorry. All right. Ross, Larry, on his negotiations. on the negotiation process. No, I saw a tweet about this that said they started in February. So I know he said that.

So you know what? Maybe I shouldn't be the one because I saw some quote tweets about it. Yeah, I saw some too. Let's go on. On doing the country. We can still play it. It started in February. There's some good negotiations.

I like the Texans organization. I want to be here a long time. All right. The negotiation with any negotiation, it was pretty tough. You know, they came at me in February trying to give me an extension. And we just got a deal done a couple of days ago. So it was tough, but we got it done, and it was fun just to be in that moment to learn different things. All right.

Is Laramie Tunsel's smoke detector going off? It definitely is going on. Larry Me Tunsel's smoke detector needs a new battery in his house. Okay. The negotiation with any negotiation, it was pretty tough. You know, they came at me in February trying to give me an extension, and we just got a deal done a couple of days ago. So it was, it was tough, but we got it done. And it was fun just to be in that moment to learn different things.

We know you can afford batteries now, Laramie. And we know you're tall. You can probably change them out pretty quickly. Huh. Alarm going off. It needs to change a battery. It sounds like a smoke detector battery, right? Yeah.

That reminds me, Ross. Didn't I have a smoke detector issue once? Yes, you did, actually. We'll get to that in a second. All right, so round one, Joe, you didn't win. I never played it before. I was just kind of... Now you know.

Now I understand. the game. Guess what he's going to say. Yeah, yeah. It's what's called what you're talking about Lerman? Let's see. I'm doing the contract himself, 24.8 seconds.

Wasn't that hard. I knew how much I wanted. I felt like I could get whatever I wanted out of Bill O'Brien because he traded two first-round picks for me, but I appreciate Bill being willing to negotiate so badly. I think I for sure started a trend

by not having an agent doing my deal of my own. The players that I talked to, for instance, like Bobby Wagner, he actually told me that it was pretty easy doing the deal by yourself. And the toughest part about doing a deal on your own was just terminology. Not knowing the terminology and just

learn the terminology and and be able to be able to voice it to the coaches. He still had the beeps going off. Seriously. Well, it's going to go on the whole time. I'm sure he didn't stop the press conference. I got to get a nine volt real quick, guys. I'll be right back.

Can I be honestly on something? Why does everybody's batteries go off and there are smoke alarms in the middle of the night to scare the entire house? Yeah, that's a good question. Why does it ever happen at 1.30 in the afternoon? It's always 2.15 a.m. That's a good question. You get out of your bed and you're going to go get the kids. All right.

Joe, you're not getting it much better at this, to be honest with you. Let's see here. Oh, how about this? Ross, what made you negotiate for yourself? Well, didn't he just, I thought we just read that. He talked about Bobby Wagner. This is a different sound by 20.8 seconds. You wanted, if you want a different one?

Well, financially, it felt like the right move. And it was something like I said, I talked to Bobby Wagner. He said it wasn't that difficult. So I think at the end of the day, it was the best move for me and my family. Okay. I feel like it was time to write my, my own destiny. If that makes sense, to put things in my own hands and to get it done, You just had to bet on yourself.

And that's what I did. And I got the deal done. I'm a streaming part of myself and the team. Yo, I'm still speechless. Even though it was a couple of days ago, they made them out, so I'm still speechless. I'd be too if I'd just sign my own deal for $57 million and guaranteed. Guaranteed.

All right. Here's the one I'm really curious about. Okay. I'm going to have each of you try to guess the same quote. 23 seconds on the DeAndre Hopkins trade. Joe, do you want to go first? It's a business decision. We know that the front office is doing what they believe is best for the team.

We wish DeAndre the best of luck. We're going to miss them on the team, but we're confident in Bill O'Brien and that we can win going forward without him. That's how you do it right there, my friend. Good job. I'm learning. Yeah, he's definitely going to say it's a business. He's going to say, DeAndre Hopkins is a great player.

We love DeAndre Hopkins. I was happy to work. work with them. But at the end of the day, this is a business and it was a business decision. He's going to say business like three times. Okay. I'm extremely excited that the guys we got coming in. They're all playmakers and I can't wait to work with them. And we was all hurt from the hop trade. And especially that was one of the guys that actually brought me on his wing when I came in. You know, I was hurt. But, you know, that's just a part of the business that we currently working. You really can't do much about it.

there you go he said it once okay uh that's that's interesting that he says uh that de honor hopkins is one of the guys that took him under his wing i thought de honor hopkins had too much power in the locker room and he was not teaching guys how to work and then all of a sudden he just he was a bad teammate we're getting a lot of mixed messages and unfortunately we got one of our own alarms here at the office not working well that's actually annoying me can we

stop that oh my god how many times in your life, has that gone off in the middle of the night? You're like, can I just fall asleep and get up at a normal hour and change it? And you just rip it out and you're like, I'll deal with it later. See, my problem is that I'm not tall enough. So what it happens, even if I get on a chair, sometimes I can't reach it.

So I'm really upset. Excuse me? What? Like, I'm sure. I'm only 5'6. So my old apartment, it was up so high that even when I got on the chair to try to like just grab it and just rip it off the wall like Ross is suggesting, I wasn't

able to reach it. I have had to rip off the wall and it still beeps. I've had to disengage the battery. I have four smoke detectors in non-essential parts of my house that are not put back because... What a palatial estate. Well, it's not palatial. It's a mess.

But it's my mess. Yes. Why don't the 9 volts, again, if you want me to change you, I have zero problem with that. Yeah, the 9, it seems like they run out of two weeks, first of all. No, I haven't had the problem. The problem is it just happens at just the absolute worst times. All right. So there you go. What you're talking about Laramie?

I feel like every soundbite we're now doing what's what you're talking about filling in the blank on this. But it's never the last thing, a different way to kind of play the sound bites of the show. 713212-5-790. 7-1-3-2-1-2-5-7-90. I attempted to get Gary Patterson on, the TCU head coach to talk about Ross Blacklock. By the way, you kept calling him something else. Blaylock. I kept saying Blaylock. I mean, we're going to try to get mookie Blaylock. on the show, but we may be getting Ross Blacklock instead. That's frankly, to me, the only one I'm really super interested in.

Blacklock's a guy that was on the radar a little bit for the team. You know, interesting, he was actually able to work out for the Texans before the whole virus thing came into place. They had really good feel for who he was. And oh, by the way, Ross, you and I debated, and it wasn't like he was a big debate. Remember, you were like, you know what, the NFL draft can we think? 30 more days. There was nothing wrong about what we had this weekend.

No, there was nothing wrong. It was really good. The teams still love their players. Of course. Well, they're going to love them no matter what. Yeah. But the NFL knew there were 55 million people that were ready to watch this event. And that's how they took advantage of it.

That's what I said. They're doing this. It was making a business decision. Business decision. And it was the right one. But all this huffin and puffing from NFL general managers, but I need 30 more days. Let me tell you something.

Cliff Kingsbury didn't need. 30 more days. Well, I probably would have liked a slay for, well, I guess he's slaying right now. Yeah, what is he doing right now? Somebody. Is he picking up panties right now? Somebody. I got.

He's probably just waking up. That's true. 211-790. 7-1-3-212-5-7-90. More about the last dance. Rossi, this could go down is, is this better than the people versus OJ? That's the gold standard for me right now. that was so good, so compelling,

and such a well-told story. And from all angles, they got all the important people. And this is pretty much the same way so far. Because I say this, we have had a very difficult year in terms of everything going on. But we were treated to the Tiger King.

Yes. We were treated to people versus OJ last year, or was it two years ago? It was a couple years ago, I think. And we're getting this now. ESPN. And you know, here's thinking. is ESPN does a lot of stuff that you shake your head out.

But when they put their, and I guess they didn't produce this themselves. They just distributed this, right? Yeah. Who is that Mandalay Entertainment? Is that just an independent documentary company? I have no idea. And it's also Netflix is on this as well, which is interesting to me, because they're kind of a competitor of ESPN slash Disney. Yeah.

Whoever did it and whoever greenlined it and whoever at ESPN said, yeah, we will give it the promotion it deserves is doing a fantastic job. Well, I mean, it was at the end of the day. It was if we don't have Jordan, we're not going to make this, I think. Right. That's why they held on to it. Do you think, do you buy into the argument? We'll talk about this coming back. Do you buy into this because LeBron, all the LeBron stuff's been talked about and that Michael wants his time back?

That's what came out is that he agreed to do it the day after that they beat the Warriors. The LeBron and the Cavaliers beat the Warriors. And guess what? I don't blame him for that. When you think you're the goat. Yeah. And someone's coming in onto your farm, you want to make sure you kick him to the curb. In the words of Roy Jones, Jr., you all must have forgot.

212 on 790. This is James Arden. It goes to hard. Three to shoot. Jacks up a three hits. This is the Matt Thomas show on Sports Talk 790. Are you kidding? 216, Sports Talk 790.

Oh, I see the Bill Lambert is on the jump show. Apparently he was too busy to go on the documentary. Yeah, he wasn't on there, huh? Every other piston that you cared to hear about was on there. John Sally, Dennis Rodman. I didn't see. Was Vinnie Johnson on there? I don't think so.

No, I've never seen Vinny. The microwave Johnson. Oh, we're down with the pistons with them, right? What's interesting, though, with Lambeer is he wouldn't go on or he doesn't appear. But since this all started, he said that LeBron's better than Michael, and now he's doing all these ESPN appearances. And he still said, I saw a clip of this this morning. He still says that if the chance to do it over again, he would not shake the bull's hands. Isaiah, Thomas conversely says, yes, he would.

Lambeer. I just think Lambeer was built to be an A-Hol. Yeah, I was going to say, isn't he, I mean, NBA A-Hole all time, number one. Is it Bill Lambier? Yeah. I think so, right? A-hole on the court, a-hole half the court. Yes. And I'll tell you this.

He's been a coach for a long period of time. Yes, WNBA. Only one year as an NBA assistant coach, the rest of the time of the WNBA. I think he is such a divisive guy that words travels fast about how would it do she is that he's not been able to get jobs because of it.

You have to have coaches on your staff that the players respect. Yeah. He's been WNBA coach for a really long time, so it can't be, you know, that in incorrigible or impossible to deal with. That I don't know. Maybe he, maybe, but the problem is you would think

if he's so, we'll be the term of, abrasive that the NBA would kick that out of the curve right away. Well, he has been to four different teams since 2002, so maybe. Three-time WNBA champion head coach, Bill Ambier. Bill Ambier, you help me out with his boys, was a stretch five, right? Kind of, yeah. Stretch four, for sure.

A defensive guy as well, enforcer. Would tackle you, not try to, you know, and I thought the documentary yesterday did a really job of explaining that Michael Jordan took that beat down and said, you know what, we got to get stronger. They all started hitting the weights. Isn't that funny how weights were not a part of Michael's career up until the very last, well, the start of the championship runs? That was more common back in those.

Apparently, Beau Jackson never lifted a weight in his life. Let me ask you this question. Predict this before I go some more phone calls. Do you think, because there were two different three beats, right? And the two years in between the Rockets won the championships. Do you think that the thought of an eight Pete will come into conversation during these documentaries? I will say yes. I would say it would come up.

I was actually thinking the exact thing yesterday, Matt. I was wondering, I was wondering aloud if it was going to happen. And I think there will be at least passing discussion of it. Are they going to spend 10 minutes on or 15? I don't think so. It's almost like, I think it'll be discussed. The producer, and you know how you have the producer in the background? You can barely hear it.

So, MJ, do you ever think about an 8, Pete? You ever think you cut 8 and went 8 in a row? And then MJ just, the introspectively looks and then says something. Yeah, I would say, yeah. I would say that we're going to hear something about, do you ever envision it being longer if you would have stayed? And that's going to piss off all rocket fans. That's fine.

They needed Rodman to win, and they didn't have him in 94-95. And I'll, I will put my, I will as die-hard of a rocket fan as I. am on this. I think the Rockets would have won one of the two. To me, the biggest reason they didn't win in 1995 was because Dennis Robin wasn't there. Team wasn't strong enough? That's why they got taken care of by the magic. Was Michael Flabby that year coming back to? Didn't he gain like that when he was a good shape? I don't think he was flabby. He was playing baseballs. That's what people act like he's not like he was just drinking beer and hang out. No, I'm not saying, but wasn't

he about 15 pounds heavier? Am I just making that up? I mean, then he played like 18, they played 17 regular season games. Yeah, he had a chance to get warmed up. But I feel like the 45 of him, he was built a little differently. And maybe not 15 pounds would be that big of a difference or a guy that's been so good like that. But again, I could be making this up. But I don't think so. He definitely looks different because he has the number 45 on.

It's definitely weird. Yeah. All right. Let's go to Kyle and Pearland at 221. Hi, Kyle. Hey, Matt. How you doing, bud? Wonderful.

Thank you. Hey, I miss talking to you. You know, before I get my take, have you seen the Bicelamma Jammer where they're looking for Benny and Yes, spectacular. That one is fabulous, too. It's really cool how they showed going to find him and some of his old players. And it's too bad we didn't beat North Carolina State, but that's why he goes.

Amen. So what do you think about this when the casinos open up? How long before you go back and get on the tables and the slots and how long before you go back? Are you going to be nervous? You're going to jump right back here with both feet like me? I will tell you this, and I'm not kidding you. I envision the casinos having tremendous restrictions when they open up again. Whether it's glass tables, whether it's you have to wear a mask, whether the blackjack dealers, the craps dealers have to wear a mask, whether the dice are cleaned after every roll, whatever it is.

It will not be nearly as free-flowing as it was when we were going before this. But I've already told my wife the first opening weekend is open, I'm going. limits are going to be stacked, Maddie. That's fine. Maybe I want to go that weekend. I don't care. I don't even have to spend the night. I just go for the day.

I'm not playing 50. That's right, blackjack. Now, do you think the prostitutes are going to be hands off? Which ones? Vegas or Lake Charles? Vegas. Yeah, I think their hands will be on. Their industry is really suffering, if you know what I'm saying.

Well, I'm not going to see one that has a mask on. tell you, man. That's probably smart on your call. Thank you, Kyle. I probably should. By the way, I put a mask on today to get some lunch. Yeah? And I have to have my glasses on.

My glasses fogged up. Ooh. That's going to be problematic. That's a real thing. Yeah, you're going to have to take it. How dependent are you on your glasses? Like, can you not see anything if you don't have them on? I wouldn't drive without him.

Ooh, be it, please don't. You can take your mask off when you're driving. By the way, the debut of my official mask at 315 today. Okay. Maybe even a little sooner. As I left it in the car. I can take a picture. Yeah, mine's in the car too.

NBA, targeting no earlier than May 8th, not May 1st, to allow limited individual workouts in cities not subject to government restrictions. So the original report was May 1st that has been changed to May 8th. The potential rule changes would allow teams to make their practice facilities available for use by the team. teams players for workouts or treatments on a voluntary individual basis if the team's facility is in a city that is no longer subject to a government restriction. For any team that due to a government restriction is prohibited from making its facility available for use by the teams, players, the league will work with the team to identify

alternatives. Meaning that if I think if Texas doesn't, if Texas is allowed but say California isn't, you could have players from California teams come working on in Texas. Which means I think you'll see non-rockets at the TOTA center if Texas is deemed

applicable to have these things. This sounds like they're trying to get them back in shape. Here are the other rules. No more than four players would be permitted on a facility, at a facility at any time. Two on two? Here's a weird one.

No head or assistant coaches can participate. group activity remains prohibited, including practices or scrimmages. So essentially, one basket on one side of the court has a guy shooting, one has a guy shooting in the other end of the court. And when those two guys are done, two more can go back in. I mean, I guess they can just rotate. Or if you have four courts, you could have four different people. This is according to Wojee. No, this is a NBA release.

Players remain prohibited from using non-team facilities such as public health clubs, fitness centers or gyms. So basically they're saying is if you have it at your house, that's cool, but you can't go to a lifetime and get a workout in. Which at this point, Lifetime's closed, right? Yes. I wonder if they'll change it if lifetimes aren't so open up.

I would say probably not. I think they're trying to prevent this. They're trying to prevent a Rudy Goberr situation from happening again where a player test positive. That's what they're trying to avoid at all costs, I think. I don't mean to Debbie down here for a second. How the hell are we going to get sports going again with this? Listen to what he just said.

May 8th. Yes. And listen to the restrictions I just gave you in the audience. That's some pretty intense stuff. How do you go from on May 8th? Four players on a floor provided there are four baskets with no contact, no assistant coaches, no group activity to playing games 30 days later. I don't know.

I mean, I'm serious. And trust me, I want them to be on the court really, really bad. And I've always thought about June 15th as being the day. Boys, I don't think it's June 15th. I think we're talking, could you start the season up in August? play in August, September, and crown a champion in October? At this point, at that point, what's the point? In all honesty.

Why I just not, just cancel it. I just start the season. I know we want this season to start in December, but at that point, just cancel the season and start back over next year. So you're logically thinking about this. Yeah. And they want TV money. There's that tree with all that TV money, the dollar just hanging off.

So if that's how the NBA goes, how in the hell is Major League Baseball going to have 26 to 35-man rosters competing? When the NBA has essentially said, here we are May 8th, and we're going to allow four people on a court at the same time

as long as they're not shooting at the same basket. And no assistant coaches. Does that mean they can have ball boys catch their own help fill the balls back to them? Yeah, I would say yes. You get a little basketball return thing. Dang. Or as Tom and Downtown says,

the NBA just restarts it with an NBA jam-style tournament. Roll out your best two players. Who are the NBA jams? Okay. I guess it's Russell and James. Russell and James. But I mean, you're kind of small. Okay.

How are Russell and James going to take on LeBron and AD? How about Russell and James against Luca and Porzingis? I'd pay a lot of money to watch that right now. I would like a little NBA Jam tournament style. NBA Jam tournament style. Now, that would be fun. But what if one of the players gets hurt? Because 80 always gets hurt.

Well, you have bench players. You'd have one rotating in or something. So PJ's sitting there on the side. So who's the Rockets' third? Roco? P.J.? Roco. Because he can shoot the ball and also block shots.

Yeah, and he's tall. Okay. If you need a little size. Who's the Mavericks's third? Do you go Hardaway Jr.? Jerry Barreira. George J.J. Barreya. Probably Hardaway.

Yeah. Hardaway. Okay. Hardin. They should do this instead of All Star Wars. Hardin, Roco, and Westbrook against Porzengis, Donchich, and Hardaway, Jr.

That's damn close. Lakers. A.D., LeBron, and he goes KCP. Do you go Kyle Kuzma? I'll probably go on. maybe Danny Green? Danny Green's on a bad call.

Coos is a good one too. How tall is Danny Green? Probably 6-6, somewhere in that range. Yeah. I'm sure you've called his hideout before, man. I have. I just don't remember. It's been so long as I've done a game.

Six-six has nailed it. Did I really? Okay. There you go. Any consideration for Rondo? No, because he's going to get two T's and get thrown out of the game. The good thing about having LeBron, though, is he can be your big man. If AD goes down.

Brons 6-8 has been defending centers as a whole career. But LeBron, but James guards against the low block all the time. That's true. That's why these three men, this is not a terrible idea. Think about it. Thanks, Tom, in downtown. Not going to grab the TV ratings per se, but it is. I would watch.

That's true. 230 on the Matt Thomas show, 713-2125790. Half hour left to go on a Monday edition of the Matt Thomas show, 713-2125790. Hey, yo, Adrian. Um, Marky, my name is Alexa. Oh, I like to hear sports. Then say, Alexa play sports talk 790 on IHeart Radio. Whoa.

How many shots to the head did you take? 235 on 790. Mike Garofalo. Who's he? Garofolo. He was with Fox Sports. Wait a minute. Are you sure it's not Mike Garofalo?

It's Garifolo, I'm pretty sure. Go. I think Ross is right. Go YouTube. And play it. Somebody will say, joining us now from the NFL Network. I thought it was Garofalo. Garofalo is what you think it is?

You're thinking of Janine Garofalo. I am. I believe he used to have the correct pronunciation in his Twitter bio because apparently everybody would always say it wrong. I'm pretty sure to Garofalo. There you go. I'm joined by NFL Network's Mike Garofolo. There you go.

Okay, Garifolo. Don't call him Garofalo. Texans releasing Tashon Gibson. Yeah, I mean, a lot of people have been. Berman tweeted this, Aaron Wilson as well. So a lot of people have been on this. Good three-year contract. Say that again?

Good three-year contract for him. That's what he got. Three-year deal were $22.5 million last off-season his prorated bonus of $1 million and his guaranteed portion of the 2020 salary will result in four and a quarter million dollars in dead money. What?

Geez. They didn't go get a safety in the draft, did they? No, but they've added three safeties in the off-season. Eric Murray, Jalen Watkins, and Michael Thomas this weekend. Eric Murray must be spectacular. I mean, the NFL, his stats don't bear that out. He's just got to be better than Tishon Gibson. Yikes.

All right. So more on this NBA thing for a second. By the way, it looks like the Texas things are starting to opening up. There's a press conference about to get in the way. Governor Abbott's going to open us up. A little bit. This is from Shams. The NBA has informed its teams of this reality in a murmur and a memo.

quote, it is not possible or appropriate in the current public health context to regularly test all players and staff for COVID-19. These protocols may be modified. So just stating what we've been saying all along that until the tests are available, they're not going to go forward. An abundance of them. Yeah. Because remember Brian Winhorse, like early on, one of the first things he made clear was it's a political issue too, but they don't want to be involved in a, why are all these guys getting tested? everyone else isn't. Yeah, I think that's a, I think PR and politics are going to be involved in this a lot more than we would like.

So essentially, how many tests would you need? I mean, do you give every NBA team 300 of them? How many? And how long would that last? And how long are they not interacting with anybody else? How long are they not interacting with anybody else? How long are you under their control? I mean, then you would, if the answer is we don't know, then you probably, or it's all the time, they're going to need constant testing.

Okay. So let me flip it on you guys. I'm not saying this is right or wrong. If they continue to get more all clears, could the NBA take the chance and saying, look, we can't test every single player, but we need to get out there because we're never going to be in a position. I mean, is there ever a chance where there'll be so many tests available to every NBA team

that no one will ever have to worry about finding a test ever again? If you're shaking your head saying, no, Matt, they have to be able to have plenty of tests, then how long is that going to take for every NBA team, for every NFL team, for every MLB team, and every college football team to have the exact same thing that the NBA is saying

they need of their players? I mean, tests are getting manufactured more and more by the day. I don't know. I mean, I don't have numbers on that, but hopefully within the next couple of months, they'll be much more widespread and available. Yeah, I think it's just the reality of, making sure that it's readily available for everyone.

And once they feel that there are enough tests, then it's easily accessible for everyone. And, you know, because right now it's still the only way to get a test is to obviously go to the doctors or to a testing site. What the NBA would need is they would need the test to be sent directly to them.

They would have to actually set up their own mini testing centers. Yeah, and I think part of the issue is, like my response to be, well, what if I want to get tested, but I don't have the opportunity me to sit in line for four hours at a testing site or a doctor won't take me because I've shown no symptoms.

Why can't I be sent to test like LeBron and James is be sending the test? Being sent the test. That's what things are more important than you. That's an NBA PR battle they don't want to go through. Exactly. I think kind of what you're saying, no too, Matt, is what if we can't

ever provide all these tests? Like at some point, are they just going to open? Okay, the three of us being novice about this. it feels like hundreds of thousands of tests have become available in a very short period of time. Sure. So would you think the next 30 days would be even a higher percentage of more of those tests? Look at all we've produced in the last 30 days. Imagine what the next 30 days are going to be like and the next 30 days.

The problem is how many sets of 30 days are you going to be able to need that the NBA, without facing any PR backlash, can effectively give enough test to every NBA team or teams so they can enter facilities because it's not just the 15 players. It's the coaching staff. It's the ball boys. It's the trainers. It's the assistant coaches.

And guys, we're talking just about practice. We're talking about practice. We're talking about Alan Iverson line here. Not a game. By the way, Jonathan Fagan did a very interesting little mini piece for The Chronicle this weekend. He tried to put together a list of people

that you would have at an NBA game once they played. You guys want to take a guess of how many people he thinks you would have to have in the building. This is without fans? This is without fans. Taking everybody that you would possibly need what his number was. 200. What do you think?

I think it's less than 50. 160. I don't, I saw, I don't understand. Oh, it's easy. I'll get you to 60 within a minute here. Two teams of 15 players. That's 30 right there. Then I've got a head coach and I've got his three of distance.

That's four times. two, it's eight, so that's 38. Why do I need the staff? In all honesty. You do. But like if your goal is the reopening and trying to limit numbers. You know, you are because most NBA teams have seven assistant coaches. So why do you need the three guys at the bench that are not active roster to be in the building?

Because a head coach needs his lieutenants there. It's just the truth. No, he's talking about only the 12 active players. Yeah, like the 12 active players and maybe two coaches. Okay, so let's, we'll dumb it down a little bit. We'll go 12 with three total coaches. Head coaching two. So that's 15 times two.

That's 30 right there. You've got to have three officials at 33. You've got to have trainers. And first you've got to have plenty of doctors available to you. Sure. So let's put two to doctors. Let's put four trainers. That's six more.

That's 44. Then I've got to have equipment people. Let's put that at four more because you're not only just cleaning uniforms, but you're doing all sorts of disinfectant. That's four months, 48. Your stack crew is probably five or six deep. You need the ball boys. Ball boys puts it at 58 or so.

Then you've got to put the broadcasters out there in terms of the television trucks and the camera people. I mean, I'm at 70 right there. Yeah, I guess that makes sense. Now, does Jonathan's number of 160 if you had to say, pair it down to 125? You certainly could do that. Sure. So like it's 160 is probably the minimum, but not like the worst-case minimum. 160 probably makes it comfortable.

Yeah. If the commissioner said back it down to 125, and I think what you would do on that was you would take your 15 players and drop them to 12. You would eliminate your assistants. Because there are teams and NBA guys that have like six or seven assistant coaches. It's ridiculous. It's just not necessary. Strength and conditioning coaches probably don't have to be out there.

They can be just at practice. Right. When it's just singularly, they're only exposed to the players in that time. They don't need to be there. So let's do that. Let's split the difference. 125. Okay.

That's every game that's played. You have to have 120. Are you testing for every player every game? Are you testing for anybody that walks in? I mean, yeah, you have to have the rapid tests, right? Right. That are within 15 minutes or whatever? So I guess, yeah, the argument is, is how fast can you make those tests?

Can you send a boatload of them to every NBA team that plays a game? I think there's supposed to be millions of them available come like June. Okay. So we're starting NBA August 1st. Rapping it up October. wrapping it up October 15th, opening up training camps December the 1st. It's 45 days off. And that's a right-to-playoff scenario, assuming?

Like, there's no... Limited, limited regular season. Okay. I mean, like, I'd be fine with that. I know that means we're still... I'm telling you, Chris Paul last week put up a big old hissy fit about it. It's going to take us longer than 25 days. Remember when the NBA first said, hey, let's do 10 days of individual workouts and two weeks of training camp.

He's like, oh, hell no. I want to play as much as I can't. We're not going to be ready then. So where can I put my futures bet on the Nets to win the title this year? Is K.D. coming back? KD. was going to play in the Olympics. So if they're playing in August, can I put my money on the Nets for Kevin, Kevin Durant and Kyrie River? That's a sneaky seven seed, right?

Oh, man. When's Kyrie going to be back? They never said. They said next season, but. Yeah. Imagine being the Raptors. And like having to go against them. In all seriousness, why, you know, we're talking about odds?

Why not go bet on them right now? Oh, yeah. Benz to win the championship. How about this? John Morant can beat the sets of best of three Memphis versus Lakers? You mean John Morant can't beat the Lakers twice? Oh, yeah.

They could. Definitely could. Yeah. Who's that low blockblower? It's pretty good for them, too. I'm trying to... Michigan State guy. I'm trying to blank.

Matine Cleaves. That's not a bad reach, but that's not who I'm talking about. Final segment of the Matt Thomas show, 713. Jaron Jackson and Jr. Yeah, Jaron, Jack. you talk about hey you remember talking about a little three on three thing? John Morant, Jaron, Jaron Jackson, Jr. He didn't be somebody else.

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Things are going to start happening to me now. You made it. I'm somebody now. More Matt Thomas. Now. All right. So here's what the governor had to say if you weren't able to catch it. Retail stores, restaurants, movie theaters, and malls can open up on May the 1st. Basically the April 30th state home is going to expire.

He's going to let it expire. occupancy limited to no more than 25% of anything. Okay. If everybody behaves themselves and there's no outbreak, it'll go up to 50% during phase two, which would be on May the 18th. We're looking at 17 days of 25% occupancy. Supersedes all local orders, reopening, optional up to business owners,

and it does anything involving hands-on remains closed, which we were assuming during the break, it would be haircuts, nail salons, that kind of thing, massage parlors, like the legit ones. And like part of the museums that are hands on too, I saw. What about the not legit ones? Well, I would assume strip clubs would not be applicable in this case either, right? There's no hands.

That's duchy. Well, it depends on how grabs it you can get. That's true. Also, you can go outside and compete in outdoor sports. It'll be a lot of May 1st, but limited to no more than four participants, meaning you can go play golf. And tennis. Tennis. No softball game, though.

You can play catch. Yeah, we can play a game of 500. What are you guys doing here? Running in. Yeah, what's up? It's 23. Come on, boys. Wex is already in here.

You've got plenty of time. That's fine. Also, Shams says the following, when it comes to these players shooting, you must, the players, listen to this, Ross. Players must wear face mask at all times, except when in physical activity.

Staffers working with players must wear gloves. Physical distancing of at least 12 feet. So if I'm like, if James Harden's shooting and somebody's there, you're getting the ball, they have to stay 12 feet away? Yes. So if the rebound is like within nine feet of James Harder, he's got to go get it. Let it go. Okay. And I thought gloves were not any better than your bare hands, if long as, I mean, if they're not getting sanitary either way. Do you remember when I was in New York for the Rockets and Nix? And I was telling you about the stories in New York TV stations about people wearing the mask and like don't go buy masks because you're taking all the

masks that people would use that really do need the mask. So I think things are changing. Now today we've got to wear a mask. Officially barbershops, bars, and gyms are not part of phase one. Bars are not? No. So restaurants that serve alcohol but strictly bars are not. Okay.

Washington Avenue hates this. So you need a bar and grill. Yeah. Rather than just a bar. Yeah. So go to Big City Wings. eat wings, drink some beer. And crawfish.

And crawfish. Five for 25 today. All right. On the show tomorrow, Ross, what do we have booked? We have Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan at 1230. Yeah, Bill and Beer at 2 o'clock. We have Larry Bird at 1.30.

Phil Jackson at 2. Yes. And at 2.30, we have Kermit the Frog for several. And Jerry Krause. The ghost is a ghost double. Be out at 245. That's really awkward. Actually, speaking of Jerry Krause,

Casey Johnson from the Tribune in Chicago, got his family to agree to release parts of his unreleased memoir. That wasn't finished. I started reading it today. It's actually interesting. And it addresses some of the last dance stuff in here. So it's kind of like how he's going to be able to defend himself now that he's gone from the grave. It's not going to end well for him.

No, he looks real bad, especially at the dancing last night. What do you got coming up on? I thought the dancing was. No. The dancing was terrible and on top of these wearing a short sleeve shirt. It was so bad. Who was it? Scotty or Michael was like, sit out there.

Scotty and Michael had such disrespect for him. No one's still called him Crumbs yet, though. We're four episodes deep, and no one has called him Crumbs Krauss. Shocked. Do you dance like that? No. Yeah, not too dissimilar. Have you seen him dance?

No, I was going to say. Tell him I danced. No. Did you like my tweet this morning? Of? About you. Yeah. Would you say the voice of your childhood?

No, he said that he was trying to, what was? were you trying to do? Remember when MJ called Isaiah, he looks at the Yeah, he said, I don't care what he says, he's in a-hole. Right. I just simply said that that was MJ talking about, you know, fondly recalling his time at the summit when Matt was the public address announcer. Because that's when he came

and he didn't play a Toyota Center. That's true. Yeah, I was going to, uh, I don't think I ever did a Michael Jordan game ever. What? Let's see. 94. No. 95 was the last 17 games. I didn't know. He was in 96. right. So yeah, I must have done one Michael Jordan game. The Michael Jordan. The Michael Jordan.

The one that Vernon Maxwell stopped him. No, Vernon was gone by 96. Oh, that's right. It would have been Matt Maloney and... Oh, it didn't go well then. Was Michael Dickerson there? No, not yet. That was late 90s. Adam Wexler, Adam Clayton. They are known as the A team.

And they're up next on 790.