The Matt Thomas Show with Ross - The Matt Thomas Show : The Worst Trade In Texans History

Episode Date: March 16, 2020

The Matt Thomas Show with @SportsMT, @SportsRV and @ProNickLow 3/16/20Texans Trade for David Johnson (0:00)Worst Trade In Texans History (10:52)Brian T Smith Weighs In on Deandre Hopkins Trade (19:53)Bun B on Deandre Hopkins Trade : "I'm Social Distancing Myself From Team" (35:44)Doug Franz of The Arizona Cardinal's Flagship Station discusses D Hop Trade (54:08)We can't figure out this trade (1:25:10)

Much larger than life. Yeah. Lunch timers is the Matt Thomas show. In H-Town, what's happening in lunchtimmers? Good afternoon to you, and welcome to a Monday edition of the Matt Thomas show on Sports Talk 790. Alongside our producer, Nick Lowe, my co-host, Ross Villariel. I'm Matt Thomas, and it is nice to have you with us. And the show must go on.

Sports must go on. And we got quite a bit to get to today. The show will go on. Yeah. Every damn day, we're going to entertain the hell out of you. We're going to try a few new things throughout the course of the show, including every Monday from here on out until we get back to regular games again in baseball and basketball. I'm going to watch a movie over the weekend that I did not see previously.

Largely the ones that I get made fun of. There's a lot of them. And I let the audience decide over the weekend which movie I was going to watch and had over 1,600 people put the vote in. Wow. So that's a pretty good sample size. And I did watch The Godfather. Oh, wonderful. And we'll have a review of that coming up in 45 minutes.

I voted for How to Lose a Guy in 10 days. That was on the list. Goodfell's made a nice charge. Yes. Rudy did not do so well, nor did feel the dreams. I hadn't realized you hadn't seen any of those movies. No. I've seen little bits and pieces of them, but not the whole thing.

And Rudy's not that great. You skip Rudy. Yeah, Rudy kind of sucks. Rudy's off the board. You know how you don't. You know, you have Hall of Fame when a certain player doesn't get a certain number of votes. They're all mechan eliminated. Yeah.

Rudy's off the board. Is this why you didn't want Rudy every time he was available at Radio Row? Yeah, because I heard he's a fraud. They're like, hey, Rudy, Rudy, Ruggers running around. Yeah, we're good. Yeah. Him and I got a lot of Carl Mecklenberg, but didn't get a lot of Rudy's. You know, all the ends and outs of Carl Mecklenberg.

That's right. 150 this afternoon. We start, we're going to do this every Monday through Thursday for the foreseeable future. We're going to have not summer of fun, Ross, but suspension of fun. Wonderful. And today's game will be, are you smarter than Ross? Probably. And we'll explain the essence of that coming up later on the show.

That's a lot of pressure. And then, of course, we've got believe it or not today. And we have coming up at the bottom of the hour, Dan Kaplan, from the sports business. He's a sports business reporter for the athletic. He will tell us all about the new collective bargaining agreement. The NFL signed over the weekend. are approved by a very, very small margin. It was 1019 yes, 959, no.

That's how close it was. That's interesting to me that you need a simple majority. I don't know why, but it would seem like you would need a little more for something as huge as a CBA. Especially because this agreement now is going to go through 2030. Yeah, and that's what I'm saying. You got a 10-year deal and almost half the people are unhappy with it. Well, do you think part of the reason that could be is because you're never going to get this group of men ever to agree?

agree on anything like that? I would get, I don't know. I don't know. I'm sure the owners are happy about it. And we'll run through some of the things about that coming up at the bottom of the hour, including a 17 game season, relax rules on marijuana and other drug testing, and they do get a bump in revenue from 47 to 48.8%. But really, the topic A of said program today, and we'll get in throughout the course of the show today,

is the fact that there are trade wins of flowing with your beloved Houston Texans. Are they now? One has a very, well, I shouldn't say minor, but David Johnson of the Arizona Cardinals apparently is on the trade blocks, and the Texans are showing some interest in him. Why? You don't like him? We'll discuss. Go do the other one.

That's the appetizer. the main course is that DeAndre Hopkins apparently is available in Trink. There have been trade whispers, if you will, about him. Nate Silver, who used to write it for USA. I don't know who he writes for anymore. I think he was the guy that put it out there a few minutes ago, said that apparently DeAndre's name's been brought up a lot in the last handful of years. I think Peter King was putting saying it as well, yeah.

But Silver's backing up what Peter King said. And that it would take a very, very sizable deal in Ruech. return to get Deionre Hopkins. My first initial response was, no, duh. I can't imagine the Texans moving DeAndre Hopkins for a fifth round pick. You know what I'm saying? I mean, thanks for the breaking news on the sizable hall. I think, and again, this is a pure guess on my part, but you know what? That's what we do in sports radio. Because here's the thing. The Texans aren't going to give you this. Bill O'Brien's got one or two reporters he likes to throw a little nibbles at. But the reality is, Ross? We're going to have to guess on why the reasons are that DeAndre Hopkins is being

talked about in trade. So let's go over some possibility. Do you tell me if any, if this sounds plausible or non-plausible? First and foremost, Deionre Hopkins has been one of the best two receivers in the NFL for what, at least three years in a row, give or take, all pro status, first team, catches everything. Where is he paid among the best receivers in the game? He is number six. which means he's making a lot of money. Yes. But six is not better than number two or number one.

Correct. Okay. This is by average annual value we're going with. Rulio Jones is number one. Michael Thomas, two, Tyree Kill, O'Dell Beckham Jr., Mike Evans, then DeAndrey Hopkins. I think DeAndre Hopkins,

with three years remaining left on his contract, Ross, has gone to the Texans on a variety of occasions, maybe once, maybe four times, maybe daily, and said, I want to be either the number one or the number two paid wide receiver in the NN. NFL. Probably number one. Yeah. And I think the Texans have said, no. Not we'll think about it.

I think you would set an incredible, unless you wanted to make sure that DeAnne Hopkins was always going to wear a Texan uniform for the every moment of his NFL career, which no, no players should think that anymore. There are no more Larry Fitzgeralds out there in terms of receivers that just stay with one team. It just, these guys move on. We've seen. some of the best in the NFL in the last half decade moved from team to team to team. I think he's gone to them probably on multiple occasions

and said, I want to be paid. All right. Adam Schaefter, checking out right now. Hit the breaking news sounder, please. Really? We'll go to more of this. DeAndre in a minute. Go ahead. I guess we'll have to see the term. Cardinals and Texans are agreeing to a trade

that would send David Johnson to Houston's sources tell ESPN. He tweeted this 40, 50? 51 seconds ago. So what was your favorite Carlis Hight as a Texan running back moment? Well, he's not coming back. No. So you've got basically Johnson and Johnson in the back field. Dukey and David.

David Johnson. Duke. David Duke. That doesn't sound good. Okay, so let's hold on to DeAndre for a second. Yeah, we'll talk about DeAndre in a second here. We've got to talk about this. Let's get to David Johnson.

Third round selection in the 2015 draft out of Northern Iowa. Apparently, when coming out of the draft, the Texans were high on Johnson, his abilities of running back and as a receiver coming out of the back foot. We know that that's a big part of the Bill of Bryan offense. His contract for 2020, the one coming up, is to pay him $14.156 million. He is a $14 million cap hit in 2021. Five seasons in Arizona, where he's appeared in 62 games. Five into 62 means he's playing approximately.

11, now 12 games a year. 62 games. He's rushed for 3,128 yards and 33 touchdowns. He's also a pass-catching threat. He's got 208 passes caught for 2,219 yards and 15 touchdowns. The thing about David Johnson is I like David Johnson, but I'm going to, I'll be honestly, Ross, I'm not watching Arizona Cardinal football from afar. What I am doing is seeing that he's not available a lot of weeks.

That's my issue. Okay, first of all, if you follow, I mean, I normally know, I know this through fantasy football. Running backs who are 28, the age of 28 and over, they're generally not going to be good plays. There are exceptions. There are the Adrian Peterson who can run leading to their career. They're the Frank Gors. But those guys are the exception rather than the rules. It's a very steep downhill climb for a lot of the, some of the greatest running backs of all time,

especially guys like David Johnson, who had so many touches. is early on in their career who have missed multiple seasons or chunks of multiple seasons with injuries. I guess we have to see what they gave up. If they gave up something like a fourth or fifth round pick, I think I'm okay with that. I'm on board. If it was anything substantial on the Texan side, then I don't get this trade. We'll have to see what the terms of it were.

And the Texans need more draft picks, not fewer draft picks. The reason you want to keep all your draft picks is because you want to keep all your draft picks is because you want to get draft a good player and then keep them under control at a low number for five years. That's why the deal. This might sound crazy. I kind of get the DeAndre Hopkins deal. I wouldn't do it.

But that's because you're getting, you would be in turn getting a lot of draft capital and hoping that you could flip those into good starting players that you have under control for a little bit of money. Because you're going to have to pay Laramie Tunsel a ton of money. You're going to have to pay Deshaun Watson a ton of money. You're going to need draft picks. You're going to need cheap players.

who are productive. We don't have seen. Shepter at this point is not announced what that trade is. So I don't want to fully judge it until we find out what it was. Okay, so let's put an if-then statement then. If this is true and the Texans,

I don't think would be giving away draft picks, right? For David Johnson? Yeah. What else are they going to give away? A player? I don't know. But you're now even taking it. Do you want Kiki Mingo or what are we giving them?

You're now giving away a team that is at a loss for draft picks, less draft picks, which means, does that mean DeAndre Hopkins becomes you trade him for, just a boatload of draft picks because your cabin is empty. We need to let a little bit of the time pass on this. Shefter will tweet this out without terms because he wants to be first.

So a follow-up will probably be coming and we'll figure out what the terms were. Matt Thomas returns on Sports Talk 790. Baseball, football, basketball in Houston. Home for your home teams. If you're just joining us, where you been? B. Dan, glad to have you. We will get to NFL on a bigger picture at the bottom of the hour

with our special guest from the athletic. And right now we're kind of just mulling over the Texans trade that just came down moments ago. By the way, Dan Kaplan's going to join us from the athletic at the bottom of the hour. He covers sports business. He'll give us an update on the NFL draft announcement,

which means today that they are going to continue the draft, but it will not be done in Vegas. It'll be done. They don't know yet. Adam Schaefter reporting moments ago The Cardinals and Texans are agreeing on a trade that will send David Johnson to the Texans They will take on all of David Johnson's salary Because frankly Ross they can afford it He's making 10 million this year and about 8 million next year

The Texans have to be getting draft picks with this So that will make more sense for me Salary cap hit a 14.1 this year, 14 million in 2021 So 24 plus million dollars but they're well under the cap I mean, they rid themselves of what Jonathan Joseph. My spot track says 11 million cap hit this year and then 9 million the year after. I'm going off on Aaron Wilson reports. Okay.

That is actually a sizable difference, so we'll have to figure out which one is accurate. Okay. But, you know, and again, Adam Schaefter is slow playing this. He's just doing one tweet at a time here, and I'm constantly refreshing because that's what he wants us to do. And that's what breaking news reporters do is it is caught. And he's still rushed it. He put David Jompson. Yeah.

David Johnson. Johnson. And by the way, it's not in Duke. So right now Duke is here and David, no relation. David Duke. No. David and Duke. David and Duke.

The double D's. Excuse me? Or Johnson and Johnson. You're telling me there's a double D's and a Johnson in there? Well, they're Johnson and Johnson. Correct. 713, 212, 5-7-00. Hopefully they're slippery as baby well.

Okay. We've probably extended this enough. So give me his game log in terms of Oh, you want David Johnson? You won his game log from last year? He played 13 games, only started nine of them. He got replaced by the end of the scene. By Kenyon Drake.

So that's good. Let's see, 2019, game by game. Not per se, but I mean, just per season. How many games they play? Well, he didn't rush over 100 yards the entire season. Gross. Now, would you say the, Duke Johnson deal was a good deal for the Texans.

He averaged 3.6 yards of carry. Oh. The average 10 yards of catch. Well, let's put it this way. Let's go glass-havleness. Do the Texans have the best receiving duo as terms of running backs in the NFL right now?

Okay, sure. I would say yes. David Johnson, Duke Johnson, both do something very, very well. Catch the ball of the backfield. Now, or either one, I'm going to put the fear of God in anybody when it comes. to running the football, remains to be seen.

He had a game against the Bengals with about 150 yards combined rushing and receiving, but no touchdowns. That's probably his best game all year last year. So he's a less than four yards per carry running back. The last four games he played before getting shut down and replaced, four carries for 15 yards, three carries for 19 yards, three carries for six yards, two carries for three yards. And in that, he had about five catches for, let's say 50 yards. Okay, so here's, again, before Shepter puts it out, here's just a guess on my part. Texans are getting picks.

They're buying draft picks. This happens all the time when majorly baseball players, except that you don't do and do draft picks. You pay for prospects, and that's what the Texans, they better be paying for draft picks. And this goes to the line of why DeAndre Hopkins name has been brought up in trade conversations. They need draft picks badly. Oh, oh, no. What are we got now? What?

What? What? What? What? What? Hit the breaking news sounder. What? This can't be true.

Adam Schaefter. What? No! No! No! The Texans are trading DeAndre Hopkins to the Arizona Cardinals. What? Okay.

It better be a lot of draft capital. Holy smokes. It's got to be a lot of draft capital. Oh. What? Why? I didn't mean to interrupt you. There we go.

We're going to hear Larry B. Tunsel and Deshawn Watson locked up long term pretty quickly here. DeAndre Hopkins is an Arizona Cardinal. What? Lee smokes.

I don't even know what to say. Folks, we have microphones in here. There is very bad in our business. I'm stunned. I'm shocked. Bamboozled. You better begin the entire draft class. I mean, I'm telling you. It's got to be a lot.

What? DeAndre Hopkins in a fourth round pick go to the cards for David Johnson and a second round pick. This is Joe John McLean. DeAndre Hopkins and a fourth round pick go to the cards for David Johnson and a second round pick this year and a fourth round pick next year. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it.

That's it. Listen to me. You people that continue to be supporters of the Texas. What the hell is that? You just gave away the best receiver in football for a broken down running back and a second round pick? Line. People! Listen to me.

If you are something the Texan on Twitter, or you are a Texan fan for life, or you're anything with the word Texan in your avathe, or you're anything with the word Texan in your avatine, guitar. What the hell? Okay, I'm going to read this again. Make sure I'm not missing something on this. DeAndre Hopkins in a fourth round pick. Go to the Cardinals for David Johnson in a second round pick this year and a fourth round picnic.

What? I'm scratching my head because I got to have sound effects to keep the radio station a lot. I do not believe this. Fleeced. Fleeced. I'm going to become a Texans Titans, Tennessee Titans fan. I'm done. This can't be true.

Okay, let me make some. Deionre Hopkins and a fourth round pick is on the left side. This person, this DeAndre Hopkins and a fourth round pick get to go to Arizona, probably by car, or not flying. And the Texans getting back, David Johnson, with a second round pick this year, which means they'll have another second round. And a fourth round pick. So the fourth rounders cancel each other out. You traded the best receiver in the league for a broken. down running back in a second round pick.

What? What? Seriously. I don't know. I'm flabbergasted. And you're not supposed to be flabbergasted on the radio. This has got to be a joke. This has to be a joke.

It's not April 1st, right? No. That's a good point. It is not. My goodness. All right. 713-212-5-7-90. we're going to push our guests back.

This is just, I mean, I'm going to have to tell Dan, with all due respect. We love you, Dan. We love you, Dan. We're going to have you on, but I'm going to the bathroom. Seriously, I'll be back in a minute. 1227 on 790. The Rockets are World Champions. Houston Astros.

World Series champions. Home for your home teams that actually win championships on Sports Talk 790. Welcome back to the Matt Thomas Show. here on Sports Talk 790, Ross Villarreal with you, Matt Thomas with you. And I got to tell you, coming to the show, Matt and I were talking. We had a lot of things to get to, most of it NFL related, because there are games suspended for the NBA, there are games suspended for baseball, or at least postponed, no spring training, all that type of stuff. And I just been thinking, you know what, we're just going to need the NFL.

They're going to have to carry the day because you've got franchise tag stuff going on. You've got the CBA. getting ratified. You will have all these NFL news and notes and things being talked about. So we knew we were going to talk about the NFL today. What we did not know was that the best player on the Texans? I think, yeah, I'm going to go with that. You might want to argue Deshawn Watson. That's a more important player on the Texans. But the player who is the best at what he does better than anyone else on the Houston Texans

was just traded away to the Arizona Cardinals. If you have not heard, DeAndre Hopkins is an Arizona Cardinal. That sentence is going to be a little bit difficult for me to get used to saying

over the next, I don't know, decade. DeAndre Hopkins is an Arizona Cardinal. He has been traded coming the Texans away. The Texans are sending out. DeAndre Hopkins in a fourth round, pick. They're getting back, David Johnson, a second round pick, and a fourth round pick, I believe, next year. So that's the gist of it right now. I'm trying to wrap my head around this, and maybe more is going to come out or something. Maybe we need to wait and see. But as of now, according to

Adam Schaefter and John McLean, who's been tweeting about this right now, the Texans and Billy O'Brien and King O'Brien, Emperor O'Brien, whatever we're calling. him, the man who is running everything, the man with all the power over the Houston, Texas franchise, just sent away their best player for basically effectively a second round pick and David Johnson. I'm still trying to wrap my head around this. Even if you want to have the most pie in the sky look at this and how, like, David Johnson is going to be one of the best running backs in the league and you got a second

round pick. That's the best case scenario. But David Johnson, the last two years, hasn't averaged over four years. of Kerry. In the last three years, he's hardly been on the field. Pardon my French on this? Yes. Did the stupid virus hit NRG Stadium? I really thought that this was just going to be idle. When we were talking, you know, Matt, we were talking like, oh, Deionneur Hopkins might be moved. I really thought that was going to be idle speculation. Times are slow. You know during this time, Matt, it's smoke screens and it's

floated stories just so we can create content. Not we. I mean, as an NFL media in general. a lot of trades get talked about or this guy's name's been mentioned and then nothing comes of it. Sources say this, sources say that. I'm floored. I'm still absolutely floored the Texans. Well, I keep saying the Texans,

it should just be Bill O'Brien. I'm still floored that Bill O'Brien made this move. This is, Rick Smith doesn't make this move. Say what you will. Rick Smith doesn't make this move, period. We're going to call Brian T. Smith. Call us right now. He says he's got some information on this.

Uh-oh. That sounds good. We'd like to hear from him. We also want to hear for you guys. We have one phone line open at 713. 2.125. 790. 713. 2.125790 is we're trying to make sense of this.

Okay. I think I'm right on this. I think DeAndre Hopkins won a new contract. Three years left. Bill O'Brien said no, and he says, I don't want a player anymore. Is that what happened? I wonder if Brian T. can validate that at all. Is that basically, because that's what happened to Clownie effectively, right?

Yes. Clownie wants to be paid. No, we're not going to pay you. You're gone. You're a Seattle Seahawk. for what was that a third round pick? One of the best edge players in the league? Yeah, I told him to call us, but you can try to call him.

Okay. Let's just take a call, because I'm, I mean, I don't, I really do apologize for being in a loss for words, but I am. I am at an absolute loss for words. A.Y. Northside on 790, good afternoon. empty, please tell me if a joke. Not a joke, A.Y, my friend. You've been called me for years. This is no joke. DeAndre Hopkins.

traded for. I know because nervous in D.C. Because of, I know things have been slow in sports. Maybe you are just making this off. How can they trade the of all players? So who is, who we control to, please? That's the question.

What does people have in mind? Does you want to draw us back 15 years? I don't believe it. Thank you. Thank you, A.Y. Let's go to our buddy, B.T.S. Brian T. Smith. Been over at energy as mentioned as anybody else has been out there. Brian, I guessed, this was a pure guess

before the trade went down 20 minutes ago, that there has been obviously, my guess is contract issues with Deionery Hopkins, even though he had three years left in his contract. He probably said, look, pay me like a top two. Bill said no, and they've been on a stalemate since then. Am I close to being accurate on that? I'm not saying you are inaccurate with that, Matt. I will, without question.

say it's much, much more than that. I just tweeted a lot at Crown Brian Smith. The second I get off the phone call, I'll have an in-depth blog up at Houston Chronicle.com. Number one, and this is stunning and this is shocking in many ways, but we are now used to the stunning and shocking with the Bill O'Brien era Texans, right? They traded Judevian Clowney ultimately for nothing. They devalued him. They traded them at the worst possible time in terms of the NFL calendar year. They didn't get anything significant for him, and he was a former number one overall pick. Bill O'Brien, and I'm not about to do a hate on Bill O'Brien thing here, but you have to put

this all in perspective. Bill O'Brien is the same guy early on who decided, hey, we're going to move on from Andre Johnson. And Bill O'Brien was right about that, credit where credits do. Did they handle it the right way? Probably not. O'Brien learned from that. They moved on from Andre Johnson.

And Bill O'Brien has made many hard decisions, just like Bill Belichick did. This is a Bill Belichick move by Bill O'Brien at the heart of it. That's who he learned how to operate a franchise from. Bill O'Brien has no previous GM experience. Cal McNair has given Bill Brin, and how many times, Matt, have I come on 790 and said this. Cal McNair, who really does not know how to run a football team and has no experience doing so, has given Bill O'Brien, and that's not a knock, that's a fact. Tal McNair has given Bill O'Brien the definition of carte blanche.

They pushed out Brian Gain. They hired Jack Easterby, Jack Easterby, who has no prior experience running things at this level doesn't mean he can't do it. He's just never done it for it. He's been given the keys to the kingdom. Bill O'Brien has the main key, and they are doing this together.

So not only is it a team that always disappoints in the playoffs, is a team that early on in Bill O'Brien's career as a coach, you know, recycled through constant quarterbacks. He has only accumulated more and more power, right? Gary Kubiak never had any of this power. So when it comes to Hopkins, at the core of this, this is the biggest movie he's ever made. During a time when the entire country is an absolute chaos and every other sport is shut down, Bill O'Brien just made one of the biggest moves in Texans history that shocked 99% of the NFL. bell. All that being said, I've been hearing about this for a year.

And there were reports last season. Look at Jay Glazer. Look at Peter King from Monday morning quarterback, you know, from NBC this morning, that the Texans were open to moving DeAndre Hopkins. So ultimately, this is not about Hopkins. This is about Bill O'Brien running the Texans and Bill O'Brien getting what he wants. He was open to. to had considered, wanted to trade DeAndre Hopkins for a year, Matt, and they finally did it. Why? Because he's not Bill O'Brien's type of player. And here's the problem with that.

It doesn't make sense. I just tweeted this out. DeAndre Hopkins is a three-time all-pro. He was the number 27 overall pick in the first round of the NFL draft. He was never supposed to be this good, but he was a Bill O'Brien draft pick? No. He was a Rick Smith draft pick. He was drafted when the Texans were so coached by Gary Kubiak and Wade Phillips.

This, you know, Hopkins gave it all in the field. Hopkins played through multiple serious injuries during the playoffs. I mean, I don't have them in front of me, but, you know, related to, you know, shoulder and, you know, injuries that a lot of guys in the NFL would not have played through. He gave all. He played through a billion quarterbacks. He dealt with Brock Osweiler and Ryan Mallet. I mean, you get on the list, but ultimately there was a split between Bill O'Brien's vision and his vision of DeAndre Hopkins.

And I would love for DeAndre Hopkins to end up in the Hall of Fame for DeAndre Hopkins to, you know, continue putting up all pro numbers. So get to play with Kyler Murray now. That's fascinating. But at the core of this, Bill O'Brien has a vision for the Texans. I still don't know what it really is. you don't know, 790 listeners don't know, Houston Chronicle readers don't know. The only thing we see are playoff letdowns and playoff disappointments,

but for whatever reason, Matt, Cal McNeer believes in Bill O'Brien. He believes in Jack Easterby. He believes in that partnership. And they had wanted to trade Yondry Hopkins for a year, and Bill O'Brien finally got his wish. Okay, here's, if you want to go to the Belichick card, Bill Belichick trades backup quarterbacks for draft picks

because he felt like the time ready was never going to go I'm talking about not this year, but in previous years, trying to gain value on guys. And it's obviously worked on a couple of occasions, most notably with Jimmy Garoppel in San Francisco. I get that. You don't trade a multiple-time repeat all-pro number one receiver for any football team. When, A, you get squat in return, and B, what the hell do the Texans have behind him? you have Kiki Kootie who never plays. Who can't stay healthy.

Wolf-Fillard who can't stay healthy. King Phil's can't stay healthy. I mean, that's the thing. Bill O'Brien is now, so they screwed up the clowny trade. Everyone in the NFL knows that. They'll deny it to this day. They screwed that up from a value perspective, okay? They screwed that up.

They screwed up Dwayne Brown in terms of, did Dwayne Brown want out yet, where there's locker room issues, yes, with Eddie soured on Bob McNair, yes. but ultimately he was your Pro Bowl, you developed him left tackle. They don't grow on trees, just like DeAndre Hopkins. You get those guys once every 20 or 30 years in some ways in terms of your organization. So to replace Dwayne Brown, who they didn't get enough for, they ended up having to give way too much for for Laramie Kuntle in terms of two first rounders, and they still have to pay him. And then, yes, Matt, when it comes to Hopkins, right now, they have nothing left on the shelf that can even make

come close to replacing another. I'll have the draft, and they can still make trades. And there's obviously another component to this, but they don't have to play a game tomorrow, but if they have a play, have to play a game tomorrow, if I'm Deshaun Watson, I'm sitting out. He's not the fastest receiver in the game.

We've known that for probably ever since the moment he wore a Texan gear. But anybody in the NFL that can catch a better 50-50 ball than him, I want to know who that is. He has saved multiple quarterbacks bacon. And again, I don't mean. to be this headline bacon sizzling person, but I've been lucky enough to do this job, BTS for 25 years, okay? At first thought here on this, I cannot think of a more aconine trade in the history of Houston sports. I really can't.

So I will, and I will make this very concise because I know as long as at the start, because this thing is so complex and so deep, but ultimately I keep saying it, and I've been right about all this that comes down to O'Brien. Now, there will be a Hopkins component, and yes, you know, you could talk about contract. This is how the Texans are going to view it, and I'm sure they will sell it internally. They will say his yards per catch for down. He's played through multiple serious injuries. And it is.

I'm not saying it's right, but if they build Belichick type of vision where you're saying, he is at his peak. He's coming off of his peak. He will only decline. We still have to pay him a lot. Maybe he wants another contract. That's not been officially reported yet. But we're going to get the most we can for him before he actually declined.

That's what the Patriots did for 10, 15 years. They continued to do under Belichick. But that works for the Patriots, Matt, and only the Patriots because they are coached by Bill Belichick. The Patriots aren't coached by Bill O'Brien. Bill O'Brien, I mean, go back to the Kansas City game, go back to the Indianapolis Colts game, go back to all of the horrible decisions in game that he's made as a coach. He has a vision, and I can't keep saying this anymore because I've said it a billion times. he has to win the Super Bowl for all of this, not just make it, win it for all this to work out.

And the only person in the city of Houston who's going to make that gamble that this is the way to do it, this is the best way to do it, is Cal McNair. And Cal McNair doesn't talk to the fans and he doesn't talk to the media. So the whole thing is absolutely absurd from a normal NFL perspective. It is, and there will be another deal. They will try to replace him. They're going to say, hey, we're going to go younger, we're going to go more cost-efficient. But ultimately, this ties into the tonsil trade.

This ties into the fact they don't have first-round picks. This ties into the fact that they didn't have an offensive line for Deshawn Watson. You finally started to put that together, Matt, and then you just traded away his very close friend and his number one wide receiver. I mean, if they pull all this off, tip of the cap to them, but. but they just continue to stack the deck like no other team does. No, this is a bad franchise. BTS, we look forward to reading your column in The Chronicle tomorrow on this, my friend. Take care.

And thanks for coming on a short notice with us. Thanks for having me all that. Brian T. Smith with us. I will triple down. Go ahead and say it, Ross, because I've been saying it for a year. The Texans will never go to the Super Bowl with Bill O'Brien as their head coach. never, ever, ever, ever to steal a line from Chris Jericho.

Matt Thomas continues on Sports Talk 7-9th. Your rockets, your Astros, your voice. I can hardly hear, baby. I can hardly hear you. Yeah, I'm on. Okay, there you are. Oh, you're just backed up a little bit. Oh, so why are we playing Bun B here?

Well, Bun B has weighed in. You want to text him, try to get him on? Let's call Bun. You have Bunn's number? Let's call him. Hold on. My Twitter is going so fast that I can't find his tweet now. Yeah, here's Bunby's tweet.

Until further notice, due to recent trade news concerning DeAndre Hopkins, the Houston Texans fans have decided to self-quoted. quarantine for the next NFL season until the Bob virus has been eradicated from the stadium. He is a virus. He is a virus. And I don't mean to make light of coronavirus. Of course. But we're sports talk show.

We're going to make light of some things. By the way, we're going to hold off our Godfather review till tomorrow because this is just... Oh, this is funny because just an hour ago, Bunby put on Instagram as well, in response to the report that Deander Hopkins and Gutradi, he says, could they, of course they could. Would they absolutely not? what would they gain. Texans don't play these kind of games. Yikes. 1252 Sports Talk 790, the Matt Thomas show. Hi, Bun. Hi, Bun.

Hi, Matt. What the hell is going on? I don't understand this at all, man. I really don't understand this at all. The only reasoning behind this has to be some kind of personal conflict between D' Andre and somebody in the organization. Yep. because it can't be based off of football performance and production.

That is absolutely right. Okay. And you know what? Sometimes players and coaches don't get along, Bun. So you know what you do? When you have a guy under contract for three more years and he is at the top of his game, you go get as much as you possibly can for him. You don't do it for two nickels.

And that's exactly what the Texans got in return. This is not only a bad trade because he's the best at his business, but it's a bad trade in what they're getting in return. they're getting bubkus, nothing, squat, zilch, zero. We don't even have a number. How did you trade away your number one receiver when you don't even have a number two? Or three or four. Kenny Stills even pissed about this.

I mean, if we could have a public, you know, rally to talk about how bad we hate Bill O'Brien, the general manager. We could, but we can't. Social distancing, Matt. We got to social distance this thing. Oh, I'm definitely socially distancing myself for this team. Like, how far do you... For David Johnson. Like, really?

Fourth round pick and a six round pick. Really? That's it. And they're giving another drive pick to them. That's it. This happened based on emotion. Because this is a good business. No, this is...

This is a good football business. This happened to be... This had to happen based off of emotion. This is grumpy, Bill O'Brien. getting sideways with somebody, either my way or you're out, just like it was with Judevian Clowny, and just like it's been with other players around these parts for the last handful of years. And you know what they do? The Texans get rid of really good players and get squat in return. Squat.

Which is your general manager. This is when you give any power to, Bill O'Brien shouldn't be the coach of this team, much less a general manager. He should be in charge of janitorial services. Because there's a lot of crap to jump right now. I mean, my God. It really, it makes, like I said, it makes no business sense. It makes no football sense. So it has to be personal. Point blank, period.

Personal. Bun, I don't want you writing songs to them. I don't want you making it. Because we can't let this go on. We cannot. Because you know what? You got us call Cal. I don't know if you got his number.

Call him and say, what are you doing? Why did you give him the keys of the kingdom? I don't get it, man. I really don't get it. And for a lot of use in Texas fans, this is a strata broke the count back. Like, seriously. Like, it makes absolutely no sense. There's no reason behind this kind of a decision.

Except you got sideways with a coach. Well, I'll let you go on that. I was going to say I'm going to go drink out after the show, but I can't. You can't go anywhere. I'm just going to go home and drink. Oh, I was going to take first drinks on me. Maybe I'll door-dash your bottle or something. Oh, door-dashing bottles.

Door-dashing bottles. I guess that's a post-made thing, right? Yeah, yeah, I think so. I'll take whatever you send me. Thank you, friend. I'll talk to you soon. All right, Bunby with us. Everybody's trying to pick up the pieces on this, Matt.

I'm trying to figure it out. Here's a Ross and I did during the break. We said, okay, let's take a step back. Yes. Let's logically think about, is there any way there's fair return market value coming back here? and we've sliced it, we've diced it, we've covered it like a hash brown at Waffle House. There is nothing fair about this at all.

Arizona completely fleeced the Texans. Completely fleeced him. We're going to try to get a hold of somebody in Arizona next hour. Maybe maybe David Johnson's a Biden man. No, he won't come on. Dave doesn't do radio. He's very busy, although he's really not busy. You're not doing anything right now.

He's literally doing nothing, but he'll always figure away to be busy. That's the voice of the Cardinals. Damn. Good luck. Good luck going to those player shows and crap like that. If you want to do that, that's you. It's non-defendable. Indefensible.

Or indefensible. Either way. It's indefensible what just happened with the Houston. Yeah, I can't. I don't know. is the Matt Thomas show. I haven't seen what the ESPN's been saying. They have their NFL experts on.

They have to be laughing their ass on. They just do. If you're a Texans fan, I would say do not tread into the waters of the mentions of Adam Schaefter's tweet about the, that breaks down the tweet where it says, Cardinals get DeAndre Hopkins in a fourth round pick. Texans get David Johnson's second round pick. Can you read some of them? Texans fans when they see Bill O'Brien

and it's a guy getting savagely beaten on a couch Houston front office It's a man in a clown suit Is Bill O'Brien just dismantling the team at this point? One is a picture of Donald Trump saying this has been the worst trade deal In the history of trade deals maybe ever Texans robbed

What the bleep Texans are stupid Quarantine Houston's front office Drug test Bill O'Brien one of the worst trades in all the time. It's not going to stop. This isn't real. Again, Ross, I have been on the air full time since about late 1994. I was a producer for a couple of years behind the scenes, psychic, whatever.

So I'm looking at 25 years. All right. When I was a kid, the Rockets traded Moses Malone to the Philadelphia 76ers because they were trying to bottom out. Yeah. I mean, just traded scrap heap from Philadelphia draft picks on them. So that always, that hurt me because Moses Malone was. one of my favorite players as a kid. The Astros bottomed out.

Yes. But I didn't think of anything that they traded away got us this mad and irritated. Now, Carlos Lee got traded away and everybody threw a party. Yeah, I mean, when 100 Pence left to Lance Berkman, you felt bad because those were your guys, I cannot in my 25 years. And again, if somebody has a better frame of reference of Houston sports, I will gladly accept it. But I cannot in my life in 25 years and being a. in front of the microphone can think of a more astonishing, numbing,

what the hell is going on around the here moment than Bill O'Brien trading D'Andre Hopkins. Now, again, if you want to trade D'Andre, and you want to load up on first-round picks and conditional thirds and all that stuff in full rebill mode, that's not atypical. You'd be upset. Yes.

You'd be hurt because he's your guy, but you would accept it because there is a, there's a pattern, there's a rhythm to this. There's something that's, there's an ends of the means of this. The Texans instead traded DeAndre Hopkins and a fourth round pick in this year's draft

to get a, no new terms coming out. It's not coming out. There's two extra first rounders in there that we missed. Anything new? So you get a second round pick this year instead of a fourth, but then you're sending that fourth round pick of yours in 2021. Yeah, basically that's a wash.

Yeah, fourth round pick. or fourth rounds. It doesn't matter the year. So you basically got DeAndre Hawkins for David Johnson and second round pick. I want to know what exactly they fired Brian Gain for because it couldn't have been anything as bad as this.

He could have been this bad. Because you know why they fired him? Because Rick Smith's not doing this trade. Because he didn't, you know. Brian Gaines not doing this trade. That's why they're all gone. Jack? You know what Jack Easter being Bill O'Brien are? They're the godfathers. Yes. I saw the movie. They ceased. That can finally make a

Godfather references. He's Michael Corleone. Well, Michael Corleone was smart. Yeah, but he was once a Marine. No, that's not a good... No, you know who is? He's sunny. He's sunny.

He's sunny. Have ass. Is he sunny Carlione? By the way, we were going to do a review on the... It went 1250. We're going to push that side. I just going to say, I loved it. I'm... I can't wait to see the second one.

Just for those of you that were waiting for it. Yeah, I'm going to do Godfather references for this. Acidine organization! Asinine! That's like Ross, that's like trading James Hardin being trained in the Rockets for oh God, I, um,

Joe Ingalls in a jazz second round pick. No, who's somebody who's been like, well, even Kevin Durant has been hurt, but I mean, he's one of the greatest players of all time. In basketball,

it's just different in basketball, especially in football. I mean, the age 28, like people are talking about, oh, he's only 28. 28 is old for a running back. It is.

I mean, that's just a fact. And who's been often injured. There's no first round pick in this. Maybe he's going to be fresh-legged. He might be good. I'm not saying that he's not going to be good. But you didn't, you had super elite.

Ross did, and we're going to go to the phone calls here just a second. Did all the sudden Deionery Hopkins go from being this catch everything near him, speedy, not speed burner receiver to a guy that has. has to walk with a cane, because that's the only reason why you make this move like this. People on Twitter are bringing up the O'Dell Beckham trade, which I think is a good comparison because O'Dell Beckham is one of the best wide receivers in the world. Same thing for DeAndre Hopkins. Cleveland gave up Olivier Vernon.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry, O'Dell Beckham and Olivia Vernon went to Cleveland for a right guard, for Gibral Peppers, who was a first round safety. They also got a first round pick and a third round pick, right? I mean, first of all wide receivers, I've told you this before, are Devas, all of them. So the Giants got a first round pick, a third round pick, and a starting safety for O'Dell Beckham. the Texans just got a second round pick and

David Johnson Let's go the phones What else? What else? I don't know Sonny Corleone is Bill O'Brien Don't go Don't go to the toll booth

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Benjamin and Alvinan 790. Hello, Benjamin. Oh, I'm just thinking about the autograph photo I got to be under Hopkins in my house, seeing how much that's worked now. It's probably got to be dropping of value, but I'm heartbroken. I want to know if Madden would have made the trade. I'm being honest with you. It'd probably be declined in Madden.

I would be guessing it would be. I was looking at that other one. I want to know dollars. You know, throw out the second round kick. because you were going to have to sign somebody anyways, whoever that might be. But just dollars, increasing, like, how did the dollars work out on this? And is this a money-saving thing? I know we've heard, Brian T. clarified a lot of things, kind of brought, you know,

that made me look at different, but just from a dollar standpoint, these guys have been under the cap. We're crazy. Yeah, there's a funny money. No, David Johnson's making money as well. David Johnson's making anywhere from, we got differing sources here, depending on if you look at SpotTracker or what Matt was reading. He's making $10 to $14 million the next couple years.

he's only making like a few million dollars fewer than DeAndre Hopkins I mean the increase of his salary for DeAndre it's just it's just not done the right way there you go Yahoo Sports tweeted it out they got the trade was declined in Madden there you go the XFL video game would probably would have worked so you know

this is awful I mean I wanted sports today. I didn't want dumbass sports. Seriously, Bill O'Brien and Jack Easterbury are in their office. By the way, they share an office. There's no way they have separate offices. They are so closely in line

with each other. They share an office. Wait, are you serious? No. Okay. I was going to say that wouldn't surprise me. But I wouldn't surprise you. I thought you were being serious and I was going to buy it, Matt. I think, based on no information whatsoever,

that share in office. And they're in that office and they're having a beer right now. Yeah. And they are applauding each other. So Old Dad Beckham Jr. was a complete head case and was demanding a new trade as well. And they at least got a first round pick and a third round pick and a starting safety for him. God bless it.

I mean, absolutely. Why am I repeating myself? Ken and Bel Air on 790. Hi, Ken. Ken are you there? Hi, Matt. Hi. You sound exasperated, Ken. Are you okay?

Keep the dump button close. It's close. Don't worry, friend. Has anyone checked on Larry and Stafford yet? No. Oh, no. He's probably comatose at this point. Yeah, exactly.

He's probably riding around with a shotgun. But anyway, you know, there's a lot of other stuff going on. It's just like, you know, this is done without, you know, because of Kyle Manaire, just advocating his duties. You know, I know what it's like. My dad had a business and he passed and I had to take over. But you know what I didn't do? I didn't go down to the janitor and say, hey, you know what? You run everything.

Send me what's left over. I'll check in from here or there. You know, just let me know what the business is going, okay. I don't understand why Kyle McNair is letting Bill O'Brien ruin this franchise because he doesn't want to be involved. I mean, this is like taking Bill Winnington and not only trading Michael Jordan, but then taking Bill winning and promoting him to the owner of the team. This is just one of the dumbest, stupidest things I've ever heard of.

And it doesn't make sense because it's just one guy in a room just clicking through who will accept my trade options. Oh, they won't do it. They won't do it. They won't do it. It's not like Odell because Odell was a headcase. And like you said, the Giants got something back. We literally just traded our best player, our player who's reliable, who's healthy,

who catches anything that's thrown at him, with the QB who has chemistry for some guy who has like his third knee. Like it makes no sense. And I'm just, I'm just flabbergasted. I just, Jesus Christ. I'm sorry, guys. I apologize. See you later.

Thanks. We understand. We're going to find out how Phoenix is right now coming to the next segment. Doug Franz from the sports radio out in Phoenix will be with us. He's got to be giddy. He's getting one of the best receivers in the game to be alongside one. one of the greatest ever to play. It's Matt, and he's back.

The Matt Thomas Show on 790. Houston's home for Houston teens. Hello, darkness, my old friend. I've come to talk with you again. Because a vision softly... This is the all-timer as far as depressing songs go. Oh, hell yeah. Numero uno.

And it's very appropriate. There should be sounds of silence at NRG Stadium this year. So stop going to their damn games. Seriously, people. This is ridiculous. We are very happy to be joined by the very successful morning team on 98.7 FM, Arizona Sports Station. The Cardinals flagship station, Doug Franz, is with us. Doug, it's Matt and Ross here in Houston.

I want to congratulate you because you're going to be getting an amazing receiver and a really good person for absolutely nothing. Congratulations. Well, thank you. I just want to apologize that we don't have any other bad contracts other than Granky and David Johnson to give you. We'll try to find somebody else. Oh, you brought the Granky card in? Too soon, my friend. Too soon. He'll be fine once we start playing baseball. At least the Asher has got some cash there. Yeah, really. Yeah, that's true. That's true. I'm just amazed how come there was nobody banging trash cans to stop bill. Oh, right. That is a good.

off, my friend. I'm just kidding. Tell me how stunned you are. You're not supposed to be flabbergasted in our business, but we are flabbergasted here in Houston. I would put it like this. I would have blocked any listener from my Twitter account if they would have texted me with that dumb of a trade. I would have said there's no way the Texans are that dumb. So I feel like I owe an apology to any listener who would have actually came up with that idea. Okay, so now we've got that out of the way. What does David Johnson have left in the tank? I mean, be really, really honest with us if you can. I hate to tell you, I mean, you're calling me to get expertise, and all I can tell you is I don't know.

David Johnson, just like you said with Hopkins, is a fantastic human being. What I don't know is why did he stop running hard? Why did he stop playing hard? Is he scared to death of being injured? If that's the case, then you've got a major problem. problem. There's also something else, and I don't want to sound rude to David, but I think it takes David a long time to understand an NFL offense, and Carson Palmer was brilliant with him, and very instrumental in explaining every step of what's expected from him on every play and very

patient, and David Johnson was phenomenal. So if this is a case where his lack of production has everything to do with just confusion of, wait, am I getting the ball on this? this play or am I not? Am I running the read option or am I not? If it's just confusion that caused hesitation, then you did get a very good running back. But I can't answer it. I don't know which one of those two things it is. So all I know is he had no future here in Arizona and the Cardinals got a top five receiver and arguably the number one receiver in the game for a player that had no future with the team. So did Kenyon Drake really outplay him or did David Johnson lose valuable time because of the things you just mentioned?

I hate to tell you, but yes. I mean, Pennian Drake did everything this team needed and was perfect for everything that Cliff Kingsbury wanted to do. And David Johnson is either a great running back for Bruce Ariens or a guy that's just scared to get hurt and started playing soft. I don't know. He's such a good human being that I don't believe he's the type of person that would, sign a new contract and shut it down. So I'm not going to accuse him of that, but if it was anybody else in football, I would accuse them of doing exactly that.

Doug Franz with us from 987 Arizona Sports Station, the flagship of the Cardinals with us here on the Matt Thomas show. I don't know if you've turned your radio station on since your morning show ended. I'm assuming you have with this news. I'm going to guess Cardinal fans are beside themselves right now. Very, very happy. Well, I actually, I just left the station because the show, after us kept calling everybody all hands on deck to come back in and have us all say,

wow, how did Steve Kime do this? Because you're talking about a guy that was seriously on the hot seat here. And the only argument is did he hit a three-run homer or a grand slam with this trade? And then you immediately, we've been making fun of Houston, to be quite honest, of what is Bill O'Brien thinking? From a Twitter standpoint, listeners are going nuts, thinking about re-upping their contract or their season tickets. I think this is just payback for Christian Kirk not coming to Arizona State and going to Texas A&M.

All right, I see that. This just makes no sense. And now think about what the Cardinals could do. They still have the eighth pick, so they could go quadruple down and take C.D. Lamb and go four wide all day and who's going to stop it? Or take Derek Brown and Javon Kinlaw and finally stop the run, which they can't do. This city is going crazy. And point blank, nobody thought Steve. time could pull off a deal like this.

And now that he did, I think Cardinal's ticket sales are going to go up in spite of coronavirus because you're not going to want to miss the show. Man to man, Doug, I want that eighth pick. I mean, seriously, we need the eighth. The Texans made a trade, Doug, and the Texans don't even have a first round pick. You mean to tell me you can't give a multiple time all pro one of the best receivers, if not the top two in the game? You can't get a first round pick out of this deal?

I mean, I understand. And we talked about this before when the deal first came down, Doug. If you want to trade DeAndre Hopkins because he got sideways with the coach, I get that. He's got three years off on the contract. He wants to be paid maybe top two or three, and he probably deserves it. And you can also say maybe he's on the first step of a decline, although we certainly haven't seen it here in Houston. If you want to use all those factors, Doug, I get that. But you cannot trade him for nothing in return.

Not that David Johnson of fine human being. Not that he can't be a nice combination with Duke Johnson here. but literally you traded one of the best in the business for nothing. So I must insist you give us the eighth pick in the NFL draft just because we're fair and balanced here in sports radio. No. I love what just happened. I think it's hysterical. I'm in shock that anybody would make a move like this.

And there was even talk around here. And this is unsourced talk. So don't act like that there was actual information here. but you will remember very familiar because he's in Arizona State Gratton and we like the young man. But if Houston had to trade a pick to get rid of Brock Osweiler's contract, there were some people here that thought the Cardinals might have to do the same thing with David Johnson. It wasn't as extreme, but maybe a seventh round pick to get somebody. As soon as I heard David Johnson was a Texan, I wondered what did the Cardinals have to give to Houston to get him?

That's right. This is unbelievable that you're getting Hopkins for basically a player that had no future with you. And listen, this draft is stacked. So the 40th pick of the draft, it is nice, but you're not going to get a player as good as DeAndre Hopkins. Well, here's the crazy thing. When the trade first came down and Schefter put it out, we thought, okay, so the Texans are going to pick up all of Johnson's salary, which means in return, you see this in baseball all the time, they're going to bring some draft picks back as you're essentially buying draft picks. That didn't happen.

I mean, that happens in baseball all the time. Why couldn't it have happened here with a guy that has, I mean, think about this. Your young second-year quarterback has got two amazing catch-everything wide receivers. The city, the state, the NFC should be on notice about who the Arizona Cardinals are going to be in 2020. I can't get over that, I mean, a real-life NFL somewhat general manager did this. If you tried to pull this off in your fantasy league, you would be accused of owning both teams or the commissioner would step in and say, this is not in the best interest of the league to allow a DeAndre Hopkins for David Johnson trade.

From a Houston standpoint, it literally makes no sense. And I can't believe you could, if you were even going to do it, as dumb as this trade is, how do you only get a fourth rounder in 2021? I mean, you can't get pick eight. But you had to have been able to get a second rounder next year. year or maybe even a first round or next year. I understand you can't get eight. I don't understand how you couldn't have got more from the Cardinals in 2021. Well, the ghost of David Stern, God rest his soul will never allow this trade to happen. This just shows you how severe this thing is, because this is

absolutely, completely asinine. And this is an organization that we don't know who's, we actually know who's running it. We just don't know why he's running it. And it's going to be the laughing sock in the NFL. We're embarrassed, and we wish you nothing but the very, very best because you're getting a great wide receiver who catches everything. You are not going to have a single problem watching DeAndre Hopkins catch passes on Kyle Murray. Doug, thank you for the

time. Get some rest, my friend, and we'll talk with you soon. Anytime. See you guys. You got it. That's Doug Franz from 987 Arizona Sports in Phoenix. They have Larry Fitzgerald Ross. Okay? Check. They have DeAndre Hopkins. Check. And they had the eighth pick in the NFL draft.

And Kenyon Drake, who outplayed David Johnson. And the Texans have Kiki Kootie. Kenny Stills. Texans are the number one trend in the entire United States right now. Over a coronavirus? Yep. That's how asinine this is. Number two is quarantine cats and number three is quarantine life.

Number four is D-Hop. Cal McNaristel is also trending too. So two of the top four United States. trends are Texans related. The other two are coronavirus quarantine related. Come on now, guys. Don't make that a big deal today. Let me tell you something, Nick. I love you like a brother.

I don't want to hear those sound bites. I know you're going to play them anyway. I just don't want to hear them. Get it. Let's see, when you'll put a moratorium? Like a segment suspension? No, I'm just. No, you can put a moratorium on them.

I understand. Brian's on segment and submission. You're always on suspension. That's something new. Isn't that crazy, though? For a few minutes there. There was that, there was that precious, sweet like three minute window where we thought the Texans were going to get something for

David Johnson. We thought they were going to be getting picks. Instead, they sent D'Andre Hopkins. I really don't want to hear any BS about clock management. I really don't want to hear it this week. We're like, oh, cool. Okay, well, you know what? They're getting David Johnson.

He's a little over the hill. He's had injury issues. Maybe they're getting some picks to take on that big contract. Nope, you're sending D'Andre Hopkins. What? Let me tell you some. I will not forget this week, last week, and I certainly will not forget what's going on today. 2020, you were a mother right now.

You're a some bitch, is what you are. I'll say it right now. 2020 is a some bitch for sports and life. Tired of 610. I changed over from the competition. Take another route. Sports Talk 790, your unbiased home for your home teams. The dumbest trade and the history of my 25 years in sports.

radio. And you know what? If I'm wrong, then guess what? This radio show will be on for me to tell you that I'm wrong. I kind of think of ones that were pretty bad. Ty lost in trade was pretty bad. But go look at what you gave up. A first round pick. Ooh. I'm pretty sure.

But more he wins, more trades than he loses. That's true. He's probably batting 775, 800. Jeff Leno did a very good job on trades. You lost some trades. The one he lost was the Carlos Gomez trade, because guess what? Or the Mike Fires' He really?

It was the same one. That's what I'm saying. If you didn't even bring Mike Fires over here, that's a big loss. How is the course of the history of the franchise change there? Although, you know, again, let's not recreate history here. Mike Fires helped this team. Mike Fires was in the rotation all the way through.

The Tye Lawson trade? Oh, this is funny. Joey Dorsey. Nick Johnson? Nope. Costas Papa Nicolaoulau. Nope. Pablo Pergioni.

Nope. And a first round pick. Okay. So you lost it for first round. Those names, though, those are some Rockets greats right there. Joey Dorsey, remember he's European Shack. That's true. That's true.

Roger, RGV at 135. Hi, Roger. Guys, I'm a big Texan fan, but this is a terrible, terrible trade. And there's just something up his sleeve and we go get that receiver from the Cowboys. That used to be with the Cowboys. What's his name? Des Bryant? No, no, no, no.

He's talking about Amari Cooper. Who, by the way, cannot be. transitioned or franchise. And who, by the way, was traded for a first round pick. At least you got a, you got a first round pick for Amari Cooper. And you didn't get a first round pick for DeAndre Hopkins. Yeah, I hear you. You know, it's just terrible.

I'm disgusted with this organization. I'm disgusted in so many fashions. You just traded away your number one offensive weapon. What gives? I mean, you know, this is, you know what? You know what really hurts that all this. The league is laughing right now at the Houston Tech. The League is laughing.

That's right. That's right. Thank you, Roger, for the phone call. The League is laughing. I keep looking over my right shoulder. We have a television monitor. I'm always looking to see if Schetzer's smirking as he's reading out this trade. He has yet to smirk.

But we'll keep on Smirk watch. I can't imagine anybody with even one bit of sense in the NFL. I see what the Texans are doing on this. Yeah, that's the thing, Matt. We're trying to be, like you said, we were thinking, we're like, okay, let's step back from this. How does this make sense for the Texans? You're not getting salary relief or much.

I mean, I guess if you're going to have to re-up DeAndre Hopkins, if he said, I need to be paid like Julio Jones, $22 million a year, or I'm not playing. He would lose that battle because here's a thing. He's got three years off on the country. It's very rare for guys that have two years to get renegotiate. The only player that I can think of most recently would have been J.J. Watt that got his new deal done.

Deshaal might get a new deal. but he's not in the same spot that DeAndre is. This is DeAndre's second contract. So, I mean, I guess you would save money. I mean, David Johnson, unless you think he's going to come back to the form that he was several years ago, he hadn't been that effective since 2016. So again, the Texans are inheriting every bit of David Johnson's contract. Yes.

So which made you think, okay, well, you've got to pay that heavy lift, so you're at least going to get some draft picks out of it in return. No. You've got nothing in return. No, second rounder. and you traded your best player hands down. I mean, Deionre is better as a wide receiver than Deshaun is as a quarterback. That's just the truth.

As great as Deshaun is as his position than Deshaun is at his. And significantly better than JJ Watt has been the last couple of years because of injuries. Not because of performance, just because of injury. I mean, injuries have hurt. This is... Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Is this real? Matt Mayoko, NBC.

No, it's a fake. It's a fake. It's a fake. Don't even say it. Somebody, yeah. Okay. Somebody retweeted a fake tweet. Okay. Thank you, sure. Let's move on. Let's go.

Flamey, who's calling us in Kansas. Flamee, what are you doing in Kansas right now? Brother, I'm working. I'm working. My man. I'm working. All right. What's going on, Flame? Hey, check it out. So, this is a deal. I've been to see the ticket holder since 2004. You know, and I honestly, so the Texans, you know what? I'm not, I can't do it this year.

Can't do it. Six tickets, so there's going to be six seats out there. Some motherfucker to get. But let me tell you what. Let me tell you, I'll tell you exactly what happened in this trade. I see exactly what happened, bro. My man went up to him and said, hey, look, we got David Johnson. And he's like, hey, you know what?

We got, I'm not happy with nook. So this is what we could do? We could trade them. And Bill says, hey, what about, what about the first round, man? He told me a first round. I know I got something better for you, Bill. Bill's like, what? You got something better in the first round?

He's like, yeah, I got a second and a bag of magic beans, bro. They're magical. And Bill O'Brien was all over. He was like, are you serious? He didn't get me a bag of magic beans to go with it? He was like, yes. Bill's like, oh, you suck a deal. That's what happened.

That's how stupid Bill O'Brien is. He's like, I got a bag of magic beans, and I got over on that sucker. and he was so excited. He's giving high-fives to his void, like he said, and they're popping bottles in the back. You know what? I'm sick of Bill O'Brien. Oh, my God.

I think he was here literally to sabotage this franchise and put it so dismayed and just disrupt it off that there's a be, we're looking at probably 10 years of recover for Bill O'Brien after he leaves. So please, Kyle, please, I'm begging you, my man, as a die-hard Houston stamp, bro. Please.

grow a pair, bro, and get rid of it. No, no, you know what it is? Flameg, and thank you for the phone call. Safe travels back, my friend. If you want to plead to Cal McNair for anything, and I mean this in all sincerity, Ross, he should sell the team. That wouldn't hurt.

Matt, do you know who Hayden Hurst is? No. He is the Ravens' third tight end. He was just traded to the Falcons with a fourth round pick for a second round pick and a fifth round pick. Okay. That's more than they got for Hopkins.

Correct. Not that more. Comparable. Well, I mean, net, yeah, it is more. I mean, I'm going to ask you a question. Why wouldn't you want Cal to sell a team? Does he really have the best interest in winning on his mind? And that's harsh. That's harsh to go to someone and say, I don't think you, matter of fact, I can say this.

I don't believe they can win. The infrastructure of the Houston Texans from a coaching and front office perspective, in my opinion, cannot win. And you've allowed this. Tillman's got a few extra billion laying around. Can you buy the Texans too? Let me tell you something. Tillman's not feeling real good these days. His other team is not playing and his casinos and his restaurants and his restaurants are empty. I'm sure he's not going to be available for right now. I mean, you can, let me tell you something. You can find somebody in America that wants the cash cow that is the NFL. That's the reason why Cal won't sell because the NFL is even during this downtime is so profitable. Everything they touch turns to cash. Man, I feel, I, you know, and I've

always regretted to a certain extent that when the orders left that I didn't embrace the Texans. Because my guess is, you're good. I mean, in all seriousness, my guess is me not embracing the Texans has hurt. There are people that will not listen to this show because I have never embraced them. And usually those people have the word in Texan somewhere in their avatar. That's fine. Let's move the team to Mexico City. That'll work.

I don't want them anymore. And then build a wall and wall them out. Yes. I don't feel nearly as bad. I really don't because I would not want a team that I would love. Again, that'd be like me having to explain the, the, the, James Harton got treated to the Utah Jazz for Joe Engels and a second round pick. You couldn't justify it.

This is an unjustified trade. Even Ross, even if his skills had diminished even 5%, you're still not getting fair market value back. It's not like he's 33 years old. It's absolutely without a doubt the dumbest trade on paper that I've ever been around in my entire career as a sports radio host. Next time, tell Alexa. Playing 790 on I Heart Radio. Wherever you are, so is Matt Thomas.

You're a proud home of Arizona Cardinal Football, Sports Talk 790, where the Texans just sent us an amazing trade today. That dumb ass is over in Texanville, traded DeAndre Hopkins, and we don't have to give them our first round pick. You know what that is, Ross? That's Arizona Radio for now until the end of the NFL season whenever we finally play football. Yeah, they've got some content.

They're going to laugh their ass off. They should. How did, how did, how did, how did Mrs. McNair allow this? Because Cal's an oath. I mean, it is what it is. Bob may he rest in peace. Bob's not letting this happen. How did Janice let this happen?

Mrs. McNair. I don't know how to call her Janice. I'll call Mrs. McNair. How did, I call her J-Dog? How did Mrs. McNair allow this? I mean, again, Ross and. I have spent off air trying to think of

reasonable things. Has he hurt himself? Did he have a down season? Did he lose his great ability to catch every 50-50 ball? Has he slowed down even further? Or did he just get sideways with his coach? He's 20. He's younger than David Johnson.

How old is he? 27. Has anyone checked Bill O'Brien for dementia? I'm a little worried about him now. Maybe he thinks he's trading somebody else. Maybe he's thinking he traded Kiki Kootie. Maybe he thinks he traded Will Fuller, because I could understand those guys being traded.

I don't know. He's been first team all pro the last three seasons. I'm going to guess he's been the only receiver that's first team all pro the last three seasons. I would not trade Wolf Fuller for what the Texans made the trade for. I think that's absolutely right. How do you spend this? I don't know.

How do you spin this? This is the thing because Aaron Wilson, sports talk 790 contributor and of course of the Houston Chronicle, he tweeted out that a lot of people are upset about this. Let me try to find the exact tweet. Just so I don't want to misquote him or anything like that.

As shocking on the surface and unpopular as DeAndre Hopkins trade is, multiple sources noted throughout the last year that friction existed between him and Bill O'Brien that could ultimately lead to his exit and it did today. Okay, that's fine. That's fine

in isolation. If this was the first time we've heard of Bill O'Brien having friction with somebody. You say, you know what? Bill O'Brien's a good guy. He gets along with everybody. This DeAndre Hopkins, he must be a diva receiver. They're going to send him on their way, and they're going to be better off for it. But you've had friction with DeAndre Hopkins. You had friction with Gidevi and Clowny. You had friction with Rick Smith. You had friction with Brian Gain. Your own personal general manager.

You had friction with basically, I mean, all we ever hear about is Bill O'Brien having friction with somebody. How much friction is the loss of DeAndre Hopkins going to cause at this point? I can't wait to find out. If it's you having friction with everybody, maybe you're the problem. Maybe it's time for you to look in the mirror.

And maybe it's time for the organization and Cal McNair and Janice, whoever, to say, hey, if this guy is having friction with everybody, maybe it's not everybody it's the problem. Maybe it's Bill O'Brien that's the problem. The guy's name is literally teapot. We know he's angry.

Can Bill O'Brien trade himself for a sixth round pick? And by the way, how is this going to, let me, I got one for you. What are we about to start here? Free agents period time. How does this shake out? Right. Does this make you attractive to free agents? Does Chris Harris Jr. say, I want to be a Houston Texan?

Well, because this tyrant that has friction with everybody is going to send me off a couple years in my contract. I better get along with them right away. What is sexy about the Texans right now to free agents? There's nothing. What is appealing or alluring besides money? Unless I just. overpay by five or ten times what somebody's worth. There's no culture or history of winning.

There's no deep-seated tradition. Tradition. There's none of that. There's a head coach who's a tyrant who's shipping off players and who has wrestled control of the entire organization. If I'm a free agent and all things are equal, why would I choose the Texans over any other organization? Because you're getting 20% more than somebody else is willing to offer you.

They're going to have to overpay. Here's the thing. They've got money. They've got money to do that now. They always had money. Well, how much money are they going to have after they pay Watson? and Tunsell. Or are they even going to do that? Are they got friction with those guys too?

How would Deshawn... I mean, seriously, Deshawn Watson, how do you feel? That's what I want to know. If you literally write this moment, what is going through Deshawn Watson's mind? He has to be calling and texting everybody frantically and I don't even know if he's talked to Bill O'Brien. He's got to be trying to piece all this together.

If you're Deshawn Watson, do you demand a trade? No. Not yet. Why not? He'll do it. Yeah, for pennies on the dollar. Deshawn Watson traded for a fifth round pick. Does Sean Watson's value now go up? Just Deshawn Watson's saying, you know what, now from a PR standpoint, you best take care of me.

I want $45 million or a trade. I think his dollars just went up today. Maybe. Or maybe they don't get him done, and then he performs less because he doesn't have good wide receivers, and then Bill O'Brien saves money that way. This is a masterstroke 4D chess move by Bill. Martin in Chicago.

Hi, Martin. Buddy, let me tell you something. It's a sad day. We get laughed at from all languages. All I got to do is listen to folks just laughing at us. I mean, on the match, everybody's laughing at us. But let me tell you something. I need two things to occur.

A-Sop immediate without delay. Okay? The first thing is I need Bill O'Brien to prance his butt into Cal McNair's office. and render his resignation immediately. I need that to happen. Just take down. The next thing that I need is for somebody from the Houston Police Department to go over there and arrest Calvang North America for this criminal act that he's just left occur.

It's just ridiculous. And I'm telling you right, I'm tired of getting laughed at. I'm tired. I will not be tuning in to them Texas this year. I will not. I don't see how I can. Not with a good conscience. Yeah, but the problem is this.

Thank you for the phone call, Martin. Here's the crux of it. There are so many of you, or you know people, that love going to the Texans games. You love tailgating. You love getting there at 8 o'clock in the morning and open up your barbecue pit. You love cooking burgers. You love putting your gear on.

You love putting your uniform on. You love putting a hat on. and you love it. And the Texans know that. The Texans are not fools. Their waiting list is still, what, 10,000 deep, Ross, right? I mean, everybody's sending me tweets. I'm done watching them.

Let's see. I want to see that. I want to see the list go. That's the only thing that's going to foster any change. I'm just telling you, they don't care about you. They're going to make moves because they think they're the smartest. people in the room because they've been given the control. So all of you that say, well, I'm not going to watch them like I used to.

You're going to watch them. And Ross and I are going to watch him and Nick's going to watch them because we're sports radio. I'm going to watch them. I'm going to talk. I've never making that declaration. But the only way it's ever going to ever hit is if thousands and thousands of people say, screw this, I'm not going anymore.

I'm not going to your sporting goods stores and buying your gear. I'm taking away my PSL or I'm getting, I'm on. the list or I'm not renewing. Hashtag fire Bob trending on Twitter. Is that right? Yep. In Houston or what? That's got to be in Houston.

It's NFL trending. I mean, I'm at United States trends. Number one is Texans. Number two is Bill O'Brien. Here are my Houston trends. One NFL Texans, two D-Hop, three Cowboys, four to Sean Watson, five, Cal McNair. Six, the roughnecks are trending.

People are going to the rough decks now. Well, they're not even holding games anymore. Number 7, hashtag Fire Bob. Number 8, JJ Watt, number 9, Browns, number 10, Idris Alba, whoever that is. Let's see, that's an actor. He has the coronavirus. Does he? Not Idris. He's older than you think, too.

Idris Elba, yeah. He's a good actor. He was, yeah, he was Stringer Bell and the Wire. Oh, we need to wake you watch the Wire. That's a great show. Watch it this weekend. You watch the entire show this weekend? No, no, no. I'm saying Matt needs to watch the entire wire this weekend. It was like five seasons, six seasons.

Can I be commended? Matt, please get commended for watching the Godfather. That was a long-ass movie. We're proud of you, Matt. Did you have your phone on you? I was going to ask. No, because I figured I had to, I, if I did, five seasons. But I had to go re-watch. Because it was just, it was... It's very

dense. You got to put your phone down, Matt. I caught onto it. We have the Godfather over on Energy as we do. Is the Matt Thomas show. 201 on Sports Talk 790, the final The Matt Thomas Show. We don't mean to do this to you because we want to be mad. You want to be mad at us.

But today's edition of Believe it or not is all things, David Johnson, which is just pitiful. Not that he's a pitiful human being. He probably is a very nice guy. I'm sure he's a sweet fellow. And you know what, Ross, he might be of value. Maybe he'll come over here and he'll just say, he'll be like gangbusters. But even if he is. But if you're trying to get fair trade value, he's going to have to rush for 1800 yards.

Yes, and 20 touchdowns. Yeah. That's fair trade value. Short of that, no chance. Correct. Is there anybody in a Twitter account you want to look at to see what reactions? You're going to get? Sometimes Dave's...

No, you see JJ Wattis tweeted. Oh, okay. Well, he didn't really comment on the trade. He just quote tweeted himself. About a couple of days ago, he tweeted, these are truly wild times. This was on last Wednesday. Well, today, or about eight minutes ago,

he just quote tweeted himself, and he said this tweet was ahead of his time. It's time. So these are truly wild times, according to JJ Watt. That's all he said. He's a company guy. He's not going to come out and say anything too negative. No, yeah.

But he can't be happy about DeAndre Hopkins being gone. Absolutely not. Because the reality is, let's be really honest, JJ wants that contract to stay in play. Here's the real nuts and bolts of it, Ross. J.J. Watt is one more serious injury away from being released. Some of these mentions. Did you ask for a new GM in your wedding registry?

get out of Houston while you can. We don't deserve you. Please trade yourself to a contender. J-J-J-G-G-4-4-Ruff-Nex. Get out J-J-J-J before he trade you for toilet paper. Deshawn's agent, his name is David Moolageta. Okay. M-U-L-U-G-H-E-T-A.

Tweeted 12-50 this afternoon. Hmm. H-M-M-M- with three dots. Hmm, with three dots. Hmm. Not welcome David Johnson, the Texans. Not by DeAndre Hopkins. Hmm. How embarrassing.

How embarrassing. 713-212-5-790. Jason and Katie, first up at 204. Hi, Jason. Hey, how are you all doing today? We're good. What's up? I've got a solution for all this, based on my

experience. See, when I was a kid, nine years old, I had a friend who was mentally challenged. So I ended up trading him five Star Wars cards for his Drew Pearson, Frank O'Harris, and Charlie Waters. Naturally, being a brash nine-year-old, I bragged about it to my brother, who promptly told my mother, who promptly grabbed me by the wrist, dragged me down there, and made me give him back. So, what I see the solution is, we find, the owner of the Cardinals' mother, we tell them how brain damage Bill O'Brien is, and, you know, maybe she'll make him trade it back. You know what this is?

Thank you for the call. This is Ross. Commissioner Goodell has to knock on the Arizona Cardinals call and email, say, hey, something's happening in Houston. We don't believe it's coronavirus, but there's some sort of virus that's wafting through the tunnels of NRG Stadium. and they made a really bad trade today. And I'm in the best interest of the National Football League as commissioner,

I can't allow this because that's what David Stern would have done. For football, quote, football reasons. Football reasons. Basketball reasons. Bud Sealing has stopped things when he was a commissioner. Rossi, I have commissioned our fantasy football league for a decade. There's never a way that I would ever have allowed this trade. Yeah.

There's no way. You said Madden didn't allow it, right? Madden did not allow it. Everybody, I tweeted about imagine this happening in your fantasy league. Everybody's tweeting me. They would have vetoed it. You literally got about the same value as the Ravens got for their third string tight end. Maybe Bill just trying to tank next year or something.

Okay. Why? No, he's not. But no, that's a move to tank. No, it's not even a move to tank. A move to tank, you'd get first-round picks. Yeah, you get draft picks. Excuse me.

Forget what I said. This is a stupid-ass pick. It makes no sense any way you spin it. Can you pipe up ESPN real quick, Nick? On the board. I just want to hear what they're saying. You knew that there was something going on. As a matter of fact, that's exactly what a source is saying to me before we came on the air.

And when you take it from the Arizona side of it, it's so interesting. You talk about a young emerging team. You have Kyle Murray, who had an outstanding year, really exceed expectations, way better than I thought he'd be as a rookie. They re-signed DJ Humphreys. They have a legend in Larry Fitzgerald, who now can pass the torch to DeAndre Hawkins, a great receiver. They have a young Christian Kirk, and maybe a little bit under the radar.

They transitioned Kenyon Drake today, a player we had in Miami, who's an explosive player. He can catch, he could run. So now you can replace David Johnson with Drake. And we know Lewis being an indie. There's four really good offensive tackles in this draft. And presumably Arizona will draft a tackle. On a set. That makes Kyle Murray so much better to line up there with Hopkins, Drake, Fitzgerald.

That is a really good young players. And if I'm Arizona, and it's all about making Kyle and Murray great, boy, he got a lot better today throwing to the And I look at the value that's not mean to cut you off your field. You look at the value that Arizona receives, getting a guy like Kenyon Drake the way they got him, and then you're still on the back end, so to speak, or him to be a wide receiver like the Andre Hopkins. Well, on the flip side, you have a hurt Will Fuller, who I love. Look, I think we all love Will Forer.

We know he's a guy who just rips games apart when he's out on the football field. Get him and Kenny steals. You have a couple back that are free agents and guys who you've been acquiring that are veterans that really aren't helping you. You just got now a high-priced veteran. and now you don't know what you're going to get in the draft. I would say Arizona right now for as much grief as I've given them, but you're doing all right as far as how you're building this football team out.

And the flip side of it, you know, Lewis, you touched on an early head coach is also the GM. They didn't have a top 50 pick for two consecutive drafts in 20 and 21. And there has to be a factor in when they made this trade. Now they acquired David Johnson. They're paying $10.2 million, which we know is a lot for running back. I think, as you mentioned, if Fuller and Stills can stay healthy, they still have some explosiveness, presumably. they'll draft a receiver.

But when you give up a 27-year-old player in his prime, that hurts. And again, I think they box themselves in from a cap and draft standpoint. All right, I can't do it. I can't do it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for everybody blanking on the Texans bed. All right, Bill O'Brien's bed.

What's there good to say about it? I try, like I said, we're trying to figure it out. I spent the last, what, two hours or whatever when this dropped? Unless, unless Deaunery Hopkins was a locker room cancer. short of that, there's nothing to justify this. Which he's not if Kenny Stills is tweeting in support of him. John McLean also has tweeted that the Texans were, didn't want to renegotiate with him three years out. Bingo.

Okay. If that's to happen, Ross, if they said we're not doing this, which I don't necessarily blame them. You cannot renegotiate every two years. especially for a receiver that is in his prime, but you're thinking he's thinking about the contract that's going to put him out of his prime. Okay? He's 27.

So that's at least three or four years away. If that is the case, then you hold out for the highest bid. You may tell me, Ross, if you don't spread, if you don't send out the smoke signals that DeAndre Hopkins is available, that teams wouldn't put together massive, really attractive packages?

No, no, no. We're going to give them away on day one. to the first terrible offer we received. That's exactly what happened. That's exactly what they did. The first offer. You mean to tell me that general manager, Bill O'Brien, had nothing else out there except this?

Now, I wouldn't trade him to somebody within the own division. And maybe they were hell-bent on sending them to an NFC team. It's like the Texas are going to worry about playing these teams. They took an offer that they should have refused to stay. line from the Godfather. Look at you, Matt. You're all over the place now. I'm a reciting lines on the movie.

I am because I loved it. That's great. You got a second round pick and a running back past his prime on a bad contract. Yes. Who's often hurt? That means he can't be healthy here.

That means Johnson Johnson can't be fine. Falcons gave up a second round pick for Haydenhurst and a fifth round pick, but got a fourth in return. Wash your hands of them seriously. You're not going to. And again, I'm just being metaphorical.

It's still blowing my mind. The third round tied in, got as much as you did for DeAndre Hopkins. I'm in search of a new team. Ugh. There you go. Nick's sick of the Texans. Who do you want? Cardinals are good.

I put a, yeah, actually, I should have put the Cardinals on there. I put a Twitter poll up on my Twitter at Pronick Lowe if you want to vote. I just, I thought real quick on some options. I don't know if those are going to be the final ones. but let's see, who did I even choose? I don't remember. Tennessee Titans, Las Vegas Raiders, Kansas City Chiefs, or Dallas Cowboys, if I want to be

complete yield turn. No, he can't go Cowboys, you can't. Right now the Chiefs are winning. You would feel dirty. We're not going to let you go down that Dallas Cowboy Road. Not having it on this watch. We'll let you go somewhere else, but not there. Las Vegas Raiders seems interesting to me.

That seems like a fun team to follow. It's at least a fun road trip. You should do some roadies in there. This is the Matt Thomas show. Matt Thomas on Sports Talk 790. Players, fans, pundits, everybody still reacting to the DeAndre Hopkins trade, as he is no longer a Houston Texan.

A tweet just coming in, Maddie, from one Kyler Murray. This is in all caps, so he's very excited. Can I guess? Sure. Houston Texans, you dumbasses? No, he didn't say that. Okay. He said it's 50 outside and we're right.

Biden with the top down. What a beautiful day. He should. By the way, believe it or not today, 252, all things, David Johnson. Did you think you'd ever do this on a day like this? No. 35 minutes away from that. Hey,

one of the thing, I was thinking about this during the break. They must really love David Johnson so much. They didn't worry about getting it from another team. Bill O'Brien must be in love with David Johnson. And it says in the story that David... They loved him out of draft. They loved him at draft day.

they must when you and this happens a lot of general managers you go get guys that you might have loved five or six, seven or nine years ago that just aren't the same player than they were. What's a greater value now? David Johnson coming out of the 2015 draft or David Johnson in 2020. Not even close.

David John, this is the thing. For the Texans to have not gotten completely fleeced on this deal, he needs to be one of the best running backs in the league. That's for the trade to make some semblance of sense. That's for it to be a break-even trade. There's almost no way possible. Unless David Johnson is the best over the next five years,

is the best running back in the league, and the second round pick turns into a Hall of Famer, even then, you trade it away. Daniel Hoppings going to Hall of Fame. If he's on the path, that's what I mean. Absolutely. He is absolutely on the path for going to the Hall of Fame. That's what you traded away for a broken down running back in a second rounder.

So you need to get one of the greatest players in the franchise's history with that second round pick. And David Johnson needs to be great for that trade to make some semblance of sense. 1,500 yards and 20 touchdown. Seriously, something like that. And oh, by the way, who's the number one receiving threat for Deshaun Watson today? Name him. Quickly go. David Johnson.

Or Duke. David Fells? Darren Fells? Whatever to me. One of the Fells. who's 34 years old. The Red Zone King? This is going to stick it in our crawl,

maybe for the history of us ever talking about the Texans again. Rossi, when we're together in year 30 of our show, we're going to go back. Remember that year that 2020 crazy-ass year? Remember we had the coronavirus? Remember we had games delayed? Remember when the Texans made that dumb-ass trade? It's right there.

Larry Anderson. Larry Anderson. Bigeo. For Jeff Bagwell, it still talked about to this day, and Jeff Bagwell was in 1991. The tree, I think it was in 89. Still to this day talked about. Bill O'Brien, Jack Easterby, given their responsibilities because of Cal. This is on Cal.

Nobody else. Just a mess. Andrew calling from my son's town of Lubbock, Texas. Hi, Andrew. I think y'all are all missing out on one thing. with this trade and the coach over there at Arizona.

You realize the guy had a mediocre at best coaching stint at Texas Tech University and then he got handed to keys to a professional football team. He just gets, he's a golden boy. He just keeps getting opportunity after opportunity and people just want to hand him things.

So Bill O'Brien was like FaceTiming with Cliff Kingsbury. He's like, he's just so dreamy. I want to give him whatever he wants. That's probably exactly what it does. That's an interesting angle. I like that. Look back on his career and see how much he's been handed for nothing. Don't get me wrong.

He's a brilliant guy and a hell of a guy, but, you know, that's all I got to say. All right, thank you very much. Was Cliff Kingsbury overwhelmingly handsome on the FaceTime? Because you know, you can't meet in person. No. Everybody's on lockdown. Do we even know that Cliff was on the FaceTime call? What does the GM of the Cardinals look like?

Do you handsome man? know. I don't know who their GM is. Bill O'Brien does love Johnson. Steve Kime. Yeah. Who, uh, are we at our guest on last hour from Arizona said that he's, he was in the hot seat. Not anymore. He's general manager. He's up for executive in the year from one, for one master stroke. God. What the hell? Uh, he's, he's, he's shaved bald with a goatee. Okay. So he's me with a goatee. Let's take a look at it. He's a little chunkier than you. Oh, he's way heavier. You know what? He was looking at himself.

Bill O'Brien was? Yeah. He was going mirror, mirror, mirror on the wall? Mirror and mirror on the wall. Who's the best general manager of them all? What dumb-ass tree can I make them for them all? Thomas and Webster on 7-90. Hello, Thomas.

Hey, gentlemen, enjoy the show. Thank you so much. You got it. Hey, everybody. I mean, what are we going to do? We're Houston, Texas fans. I can only speak for myself. I will never, ever stop supporting the Texans.

just because of a couple of dumb decisions doesn't mean I'm going to stop supporting my team. And we're still going to sell out every game, and that's how they're going to get away with this every time they do it. You know, B-O-B is where he's going to be, and maybe he knows something we don't know. Could that be possible? No. Because we're all going to continue watching him. That's right. That's right.

So you just, you know, history will repeat itself, and that's why I'm very firm in saying that the, that as long as Bill O'Brien is running this operation, you will never get to see your team who you love, go to the Super Bowl. And if you're okay with that, that's really... I'm not okay with it, but, you know, what choice do I have? I'm not going to leave the Texans, brother.

Why? Because that's my team, man. I'm Houston. I'm H-Town. That's where I come from. This is not the Houston Texans. This isn't Bob McNair. This is an NRG Stadium.

This is Bill O'Brien thinking he's Bill Belichick. These are called the Bill O'Brien Texans. These are not the Houston Texans. What about the city of Houston is in an organization? Tell me, honestly. What about our series? Honestly, I'm going to tell you there's no, you cannot compare the two. Bill Belichick put together championships.

Bill O'Brien's trying to, but he can't. But what I'm saying is that who else am I going to cheer for? I'm from Houston. Let me tell you something. I grew up in this city, okay? And when my orders left me and they were my orders, I have been able to not cheer for a football team. I'm okay by it.

I mean, and I'm not going to tell you what you can and cannot do, But you asked, so I'm giving you a response back. I'm telling you, Thomas, heart to heart on this one, if you wanted to drop them and said, I'm done with them, I'm just going to watch football because I like the fantasy football. If I like the Texans that are on, I'll watch them. But you don't have to love them anymore. Because at some point, when a team makes the same mistake over and over and over again,

it's sometimes you've got to cut the court. It's like being in a bad relationship. And I think the Texans are a toxic relationship. With all due respect, and you know, I love your show, brother. Houston's my team and I got to stick with them and as long as they stick with B-O-B, I cannot stay in B-O-B but as long as he's doing it, I mean, I have no choice so on there, brother.

That's fair. Thomas, thank you for the phone call, my friend. I don't agree, but it's fair. And frankly, there are a lot of Thomases out there. That's okay. I just choose to massively disagree. Yeah, you're fine. Yeah.

Most people are on your side. I think he's in the minority. I think there are a lot of people. I mean, Nick is talking about leaving the team. I've seen multiple people say, I'm done with this. team. I wonder if it'll stick or come to the game start if you just go and you flip them back on and you come back.

But I think they will be losing people. At the very least, they've taken a hit as far as interest in PR. They're the laughing stock, like you said, we've played a few minutes at ESPN. They're just making fun of them. They are, the Texans are trending number one in the United States on Twitter, and everyone is just making fun of them

or laughing about them. It's a toxic relationship. Now, if you think you can fix them, then you stay with it. But sometimes your friends have to come to you in an intervention. The intervention to me is this organization is being run the wrong way. And let me tell you something. It is more than okay for a player, especially Ross, a wide receiver.

Because wide receivers are the greatest divot position in sports, period, end of story. if he doesn't like his coach, it's okay for the coach not to like the player, but you have to understand what you have in a commodity. And the Texans greatly undervalued their commodity. They had control because he's got three years left in his contract. And if you put him out there in trade speculation with teams, somebody is going to say

I get to get a receiver who's the top of his game at 27 years old what do you want from me come look at come look at my operation what do you want and they didn't do that they fell in love with David Johnson who might be fine who might score touchdowns for the Texans

and might rush for 100 yards in the game or might have gotten replaced by the end of the season by his own team or might be hurt and miss eight games we don't know but guess what I did know about DeAndre Hopkins he caught just about anything that was thrown his way he got away with a boatload of passing offensive pass interference because he was a great wide receiver

he was a good character guy never got in trouble the Texans got fleeced they got fleeced and the general manager and his little buddy they're like you know they're like a skipper and Gilligan two peas in a pod Laurel and Hardy, whatever combination you want to go to. Peaches and herb?

Peaches and, no. That's actually was a good band. Hall and oats? Don't you dare shame the Texans with Hall notes. I'm sorry. Classics. Oh, you want bad ones. Milling and Vanilly.

May they rest? Well, one of them is dead, I think. Okay, whichever ones is. I'm not sure if it's Millie or vanilla. It doesn't really matter. Okay. The Texans got fleeced. You got fleeced.

And Bob McNair allows us to, Cal McNair allows us to happen. Matt Thomas returns on Sports Talk 790 We have so many people that want to talk That we're going to move believe it or not to David Johnson to tomorrow Because we've got time to do that And so we'll want you all to talk because it's a day where You just got a bitch and moan

Because we've been doing it since 12 when that trade come down It was like 1212 the trade went down And then at 1225 we found out what the Cardinals are getting in return guys we're never going to forget this year ever we thought this hey listen to this year Rockets go small ball Yeah that was fun Which is interesting

We don't know the end result Astros cheat And we don't know the result of this season for them We have coronavirus We have everything canceled And we have Bill O'Brien making perhaps the most asinine trade in the history of my broadcast career.

What's next? I mean, seriously, what's next? I just got an email from studio theaters. It says that they're going to separate people in the movie theater by 10 feet apart. How many seats is that? Three? 50 seats maximum. I'm okay with that.

The White House just released guidelines that they want people to avoid gatherings. of 10 or more. Yesterday it was the CDC that said 50, right? This is the CDC again saying 10. Well, I got dropped to 10 just overnight? Yep. I'm okay with that. Thomas family's going to see a lot of dad in the next couple of months.

That's good, Matt. Go hug your children, okay? I didn't hug him. I'm like, Dad, we're going outside. Are you sure? Yeah, we'll be fine. Okay. CDC does not recommend hugging your children.

I'm kidding. We can't rug our... Okay. Ross, you cannot hug Wex. I don't know how bad you want to. Will and pass a get down, Dana. Hi, Will. Hey, how's going, Matt? Good. All right, I'm going to preface this by saying I'm an unbiased football fan, so I'm not Texans fan. Oh, I like this. Go for it. All right. So I'm just saying this trade is not as crazy as you think. I'm just going to make a point here. So obviously the David Johnson number coming up this year, it really hurts. You can't cut them. But after this year, I think if you cut them, you get like, there's like $9 million or clear up in cap space. what if they're trying to tell DeShown Watson, you know, can you hold off on the new contract till next year?

On top of that, think about this. Everybody's saying this is the deepest wide receiver class that we've seen in probably like the last 25 years. And you had guys like last year that you got like DK. Medcaf, AJ Brown, second rounders. And all I'm saying is the production from those guys to the Andre Hopkins, it's not a huge, huge number, but you're paying a lot. That is, wait a minute. You've got to come up. I buy some of what you're saying. but you're giving me a massive presumption that the guys that are coming in are going to be really close to what DeAndre's done for this organization.

Do you realize DeAndre has caught everything within arm's length of him? Everything. Period. Yeah. Yeah, he has. But, I mean, if we're going to give Bill O'Brien, or if I'm going to give Bill O'Brien an assemblance of any credit, which... Which I don't know what? He doesn't deserve it.

But he does draft wide receivers pretty well. And, I mean, if you think about it, like I said, after next year, you're going to have the highest-paid love factor. going to football, and you're probably going to have the highest paid quarterback at the time he gets the contract unless Mahomes gets a contract before him. But that's going to clear up a lot of catch-face because I think Kenny Stills is going to be gone. So that's almost like $16, 17 million. And I'll make it even crazier point. This is my conspiracy theory. That it was probably between D'Andre Hopkins and J.J. Watt, you're going to be able to keep both of them. So if you cut, I think they were right around the same, you know, savings, I think. Watts at like $17 million.

and Hopkins was at about like 12 or 13 million that you could have saved by cutting them. I don't think you could have kept all those guys and paid Laramie Tunsell and JJ Watt. So they decided to get a little bit for DeAndre Hopkins, wide receiver heavy class this year, that they can get another one in and said, hey, well, let's take our chances next off season. But I wish. I wish this was just thought of two weeks ago or a month ago when they started looking at these guys. The problem is everybody's running out to their Twitter accounts talking about the fact that O'Brien and Deaconne and the Deidre Hopkins were not getting along,

which again goes to the bigger point of, why can't Bell O'Brien get along with people? Well, that's, yeah, that's a problem for you guys. I mean, like I said, I'm not a Texan fan, so I just sit back and enjoy the show. I just love football. So, yeah, I mean, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that this is a good trade

by any stretch of the imagination, but I understand why they made the trade. Like, if it was going to come down to it, you got a wide receiver heavy draft class, and you've got to get rid of one of those guys to be able to pay everybody. And I just don't see NFL offenses built around wide receivers anymore. And I don't know.

I just think the Texan is not that much worse than they weren't. But the problem is there was no insurance policies here. This is not Kenny Stills, Kiki Kootie and Will Fuller do not incite excitement from anyone. I don't care what receiver you get. You don't even have a first round pick to go get a first round receiver. No, you should have gotten value out of DeAndre Hopkins. If you want to throw in a first round to go pick a receiver in the first round in this deep draft, that's fine, but very few, even second round guys turn on to be franchised saving wide receivers.

I mean, it could have happened, but that's a lot of what it could or should have. What I know was what I know, and that is that DeAndre Hopkins has been all pro for three straight years and probably going to do it again for a fourth. Let me just ask you this real quick. So as a Texans fan, because I'm not a Texan fan, and honestly, if I'm looking between the two, I would have cut JKWatt just on bicycle, let's say $17 million, but would y'all as Houston Texans fans, if you can't keep all of them, and it came down to JJ Watt versus DeAndre Hawkins, would the Houston fan base be more upset about getting rid of J.J. Watt or being

rid of... Well, that depends if you're talking to Texans Karen or not. Because Texans Karen... No, no, but think about this. If they had to cut J.J. Watt, they're not going to be able to trade and get a second-round pick for J.J. Watt. I mean, $17 million, you've got to hurt back. So if you're not going to be able to trade anything, would you guys be more upset about just cutting J.J. Watt completely?

or would you be more upset about trading DeAndre Hawkins and getting a second outfit? I am not adverse to JJ Watt being cut after this year if his production continues to drop. Yeah, but I guarantee you a lot of your listeners would be pretty upset if he saw all the people who are in J.J. Watt. Not if J.J. Watt plays eight games. Not if J.J. Watt has six sacks.

Not if his quarterback pressures are dropped. You're the expert. You know your fan-based better than I do. But I'm just saying, I think your fans will be a little bit more upset with that. I think Bill O'Brien looked at a different. Well, we're going to get crap either way. Then you cannot get what you deserve. Again, I don't know salary cap. I don't know about the roster full through and through,

but you mean to tell me that the Texans could not afford all four? I don't know if I believe that. That may be true, but I don't know if I believe that. All I know is that this is not about worrying about the salary cap in 2021 or 2020. This is about Bill O'Brien getting sideways with his number one receiver and whether it was about contract, whether it was about the way the Bill O'Brien style, the way he coached,

instead of taking a deal that made sense if he really insisted on moving him and listened to all offers, he fell in love with a guy that he loved in 2015 and he couldn't get who was 60% of the player that he was back then. And you hear you are.

With one of the worst trades, maybe the worst trade, I've ever seen in 25 years of doing sports talk in this city. I hope this thing gets fixed, but it feels like at this point Arizona is on cloud nine, and we're sitting here with a 60% David Johnson. Before I let you go, let me tell you about Oops steam cleaning at 281-8-2-2-0-561.

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