The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 1670 - Democrats Have Been Trying To Cover Up One The Biggest Healthcare Scams Ever

Episode Date: October 8, 2025

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Sir Thomas Moore wrote a dialogue of comfort against tribulation during his stint in the same prison. John Bunyan wrote The Pilgrim's Progress from, jail. The Apostle Paul, of course, wrote several epistles while under house arrest and so on and so on and so on. If there's a lesson we can draw from all these examples, it would seem to be that even when they're confronted with a major disruption to their day-to-day life, productive and creative and people and great men, still find a way to make use of their time. They don't wallow and self-pity and narcissism. Instead, they adapt to their new situation. They use their intellect and creative ways, and they keep going. Take a group of motivated and smart. individuals hand them a setback and they'll overcome it and even use it to their advantage. Of course, that raises the obvious question. What happens in the opposite scenario? What happens when you take an extremely lazy and unintelligent and unimpressive group of people and hand them a minor setback to their day-to-day lives? How do monumentally untalented and self-absorbed people react

when their mindless routine is disrupted even for a moment? If they don't produce the Pilgrim's progress, what do they produce exactly? Unfortunately, for any sociology professors out there who were hoping to run this experiment, we now have the definitive answer to that question. That's because, as you probably haven't noticed in any way, hundreds of thousands of federal government workers have been furloughed since October 1st as part of the ongoing government shutdown. And during this furlough, thousands of federal government workers have been keeping themselves busy. And not by producing any great works of literature, of course, but instead by producing an overwhelming number of vapid TikToks that have been polluting the internet for more than a week at this

point, they're eating popsicles, they're miming rap lyrics, they're taking videos of themselves looking at mirrors, and they want the world to know about all this for some reason. I don't know how I'm supposed to pay the bills. Probably have to start selling crack, or rapping, a rapping about selling crack. Day four of furlough and it just keeps getting better and better. I've never been unemployed before. Now, if you're tempted to excuse any of this inane behavior, maybe you're inclined to say these people can do whatever they want on their own time,

you should know that some federal government workers are indeed being told that they need to commute to the office during the shutdown and rest assured. Those workers are uploading TikToks too. I don't need any of that. I need some water and my check. And that's all I need, honey. I show up, I do what you ask me to do, and goodbye. What makes the videos of these public servants, big air quotes around that, even more enraging than they might seem as if that's possible,

is that the government shutdown isn't really about any of these people. Yes, there are glorified welfare recipients with fake jobs, and we shouldn't have to pay their salaries. But the government shutdown is actually about a separate set of taxpayer handouts. And specifically, Democrats want to renew federal subsidies for Obamacare plans. And they want to reverse Medicaid cuts that Donald Trump just signed into law, including cuts that would impose new work requirements and kick so-called asylum seekers off the program. Now, last week, as you might remember, I indicated that, you know,

I didn't really want to talk about the government shutdown. There's a reason for that. when you do this job long enough, you begin to realize that government shutdowns are not, in fact, a big deal. For one thing, as we just established, government workers are useless, so no one cares if they're working or not. And not all, 85 to 90 percent of them are useless. I should stipulate. There's maybe 10 to 15 percent that we need. And secondly, in pretty much every case, the government shutdown gets resolved and nothing changes. That doesn't matter.

usually whatever the dispute is about, they just kick the can down the road, and it's all for nothing, it doesn't matter, and nobody should care. But in this case, it is worth taking just a moment to talk about what's happening, if only because of the sheer volume of lying that we're all being subjected to. So here's just one example from CBS's Face the Nation. Watch. You know what they counterproposed? They want to spend $1.5 trillion, and they want to return hardworking taxpayer dollars to fund health care, for illegal aliens. It is in their bill. Go to Speaker.gov and see it for yourself. Page 57, section 2141. They're using this for political games and it is shameful and real people are getting hurt. Well, I have looked at that text. It doesn't explicitly say what you are indicating. But unauthorized immigrants aren't eligible for ACA benefits. It says very simply they want to repeal

the changes that we made in the working families tax cut, one big beautiful bill. And what those changes were is it removed health care going to illegal aliens. It removed all the fraud, waste and abuse. And the Congressional Budget Office, CBO said it achieved the desired result. They project it will save almost $200 billion. Chuck Schumer's proposal on page 57 wants to return that $200 billion of taxpayer funds to pay for illegal aliens and other non-citizens. That is a fact. And you can check it out on my website, speaker.gov. Don't trust me. Look at Chuck Schumer's own paperwork. Now, the anchor woman tries to fact check him, but She doesn't actually make a point.

He says that Democrats want to repeal the new Medicaid restrictions that Donald Trump signed into law earlier this year, which would have the effect of allowing more illegals to access the program. She just says, you know, he's wrong and shakes her head a few times. Rolling Stone attempted a similar fact check after Mike Johnson's appearance. And here's the key line from their article, quote, it's important to note that undocumented immigrants broadly do not qualify for Medicaid, Affordable Care Act subsidies, or other federally funded health. health care coverage. The word broadly is obviously doing a lot of work there. Whenever you see a hedge word like that, whether they, you know, where they can't say something in a clear, definitive way, that's a very good indication that they're hiding something or they're lying. And in reality, illegal immigrants aren't allowed to access Medicaid in the same way that you aren't allowed to go

through a stop sign without coming to a complete stop. It's a restriction in practice that's basically meaningless. Illegal aliens as a matter of objective, observable facts are allowed to enroll in Medicaid. They do. It's something that does happen all the time. That's the point. And I'm not just talking about emergency coverage either. Go on the website of states like New York, Massachusetts, Massachusetts, California, Colorado, North Carolina, Oregon. And you all have to find explicit statements that Medicaid coverage is provided for illegals, including for primary care. And you're seeing some of those websites on your screen right now. It's not exactly a well-kept secret. They're not doing much to hide it. New York offers managed Medicaid care plans for

illegals in Massachusetts are entitled to, quote, full-scope Massachusetts Medicaid coverage, and on and on, you can see it there. In Illinois, even the paper of record admits what's going on here. They just do it in a somewhat roundabout way. So here's that line from the Chicago Tribune, for example, quote, in Illinois, adult immigrants ages 42 to 64 without legal status have lost their health care to save an estimated $404 million. And the article is entitled, Illinois among Democrat-led states rolling back Medicaid access. Now put two and two together, you don't have to be a math genius to conclude that indeed, so-called immigrants without legal status, otherwise known as illegal immigrants, were indeed receiving Medicaid benefits. The Denver Post admits that the same thing is happening in Colorado in many other states.

Here's one of their recent headlines. Colorado and 19 other states sue the federal government Tuesday to prevent Medicaid data from being used for immigration enforcement. Well, that's an interesting development. How could Medicaid data be used for immigration enforcement? I mean, if illegal aliens have nothing to do with Medicaid because they can't access it, then you would think that ICE would have no use for Medicaid data. But of course, illegal aliens are indeed receiving taxpayer-funded health care. It's happening all the time. And Democrats are doing everything they can, including filing lawsuits, to prevent this fraud from being exposed and stopped.

On the Democrat side, they'll often claim that only state funds are being used to fund these programs. They'll say that even though these are Medicaid programs, only state-level taxpayers are footing the bill. And first of all, even if that were true, it would still be an act. outrage. No taxpayer should be forced to fund health care for people who have no right to be in this country. But on top of that, this claim is simply a lie. Federal funds are used in these programs all the time, often as part of a shell game using federal tax revenue, which is carefully engineered to obscure the truth. Congressman Eric Berlinson of Missouri recently posted a video of how this scam works in California. It's worth watching because he lays out the details pretty clearly

for what can be a pretty complicated topic. Watch. California figured this out, that they can force the federal government to spend $9 for every $1 that it spends, and they're using it to launder money. And this is the way they do it. And it costs no money to California because they raise taxes on managed care companies, the companies that are providing Medicaid. So they go to these companies and say, we're going to tax you, but don't worry, we're going to give you all of the money that we just tax you right back. But in the meantime, we're going to take that money and we're going to pull down federal dollars and that'll let us have more money so that we can spend it on expanding the population for Medicaid and spend it on illegal immigrants. In fact,

this scheme has allowed California to spend nearly $4 billion to put illegal immigrants to pay for illegal immigrants to have Medicaid. Four billion dollars. This is crazy. And this total scheme is spending more money in federal dollars in California that we send in federal dollars than the entire state of Florida spends in one year in their entire annual budget. So this is absurd. This has to be corrected. Altogether by conservative estimates, there are roughly 1.5 million illegal aliens who are currently receiving Medicaid benefits, along with nearly five million able-bodied individuals who receive Medicaid benefits but choose not to work. This is massive, massive, massive fraud on a national scale, costing us hundreds and hundreds

and millions of dollars. Even in relatively small states like Connecticut, the cost is astronomical. Here's a recent assessment from CT Insider, for example, quote, at least $80 million in state funds have been used to pay for health care for children and expected and post-posterousal part of mothers without legal immigration status since this coverage became available through Connecticut's Medicaid program two years ago. Meanwhile, in Texas, as you might expect, the numbers are even higher. And as you can see here in just four months from November of 2024 to February of 2025, more than 100,000 patients in Texas hospitals admitted that they weren't in the country

legally. And that includes 23,000 inpatient discharges and 85,000 emergency department visits. At the same time, more than 600,000 patients refused to provide their immigration status. And again, the vast majority of people who declined to answer were receiving emergency care. So we can assume, of course, that the vast majority of those 600,000 patients are also illegal aliens. It's the only reason that you wouldn't want to give your status. According to official estimates from the state, in total, illegal aliens cost Texas hospitals more than $120 million per month. So when I said this is costing us hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars nationwide, that's a vast understatement.

$120 million a month in one state. And again, the important thing to consider here isn't simply the cost, which is obviously too high. It's also important to recognize that even if the illegal aliens were somehow paying for their own care, which they're not, they're still creating a massive drain on our health care system. They're making it harder for American citizens to, get the care they need. They're filling up emergency rooms and doctors offices at a time when doctors are, you know, an increasingly short supply. And by itself, that's more than enough reason to deny illegals any access to Medicaid or to our health care system in general.

You're not supposed to be here. Go to your own country and get health care. When the system is collapsing, the absolute last thing we can do or should do is allow the entire world to access it and then ultimately destroy it. Even some Democrat institutions are finally coming around to this realization. The Washington Post editorial board, of all places, just published an editorial that supports

Republicans' position on the Obamacare-related aspect of the government shutdown. Quote, Democrats have demanded that Republicans agree to extend the COVID-era insurance subsidies without proposing any way to pay for it. This will cost $350 billion over the next decade. The real problem is that the

Affordable Care Act was never actually affordable. Well, it's a belated reaction, to put it mildly, it's about 15 years too late, in fact, but it's something. It's an indication that everyone, even the deranged partisans who read the Washington Post, understand that Democrats have no credibility whatsoever when it comes to health care, which was their primary policy objective for the eight years of Barack Obama's presidency. Their signature issue has been a complete debacle. It's an unmitigated disaster. It's this recent history that we should keep in mind when they try to fact-check claims that illegal aliens are receiving federal health care benefits. Before Obamacare, if you were a healthy young person,

you didn't have to subsidize anyone else's insurance. You didn't have to purchase comprehensive coverage that you didn't need. You could pay out of pocket for most visits and keep coverage for the most serious life-threatening issues like cancer. The system that replaced this arrangement was a disastrous deal for most Americans, and it became a completely unworkable, catastrophic deal when Americans were forced to subsidize the health care plans of millions of foreign nationals on top of their fellow citizens. As a result, this government shutdown should continue indefinitely

until we have assurance that no illegal aliens will receive any taxpayer-funded health care at all. Yes, a long shutdown means that we'll have to endure thousands of more insufferable TikTok videos from furloughed federal bureaucrats. But it also means that we'll have a functioning health care system eventually. It means we'll save hundreds of millions of dollars every month. And that's a trade that unless you're an illegal alien or a federal government worker, that's a trade that we should take every single time.

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fuming in a group chat that Jewish donors were pulling funding over his links to Tucker Carlson, turning point spokesman Andrew Colvette. confirm the authenticity of the screenshots on Tuesday during the latest episode of Charlie Kirk show. And text messages to Kirk privately complained that a Jewish donor had withdrawn a $2 million investment into the organization because he refused to disinvite Carlson from the upcoming America Fest event. He wrote, just lost another huge Jewish donor, $2 million a year because we won't cancel Tucker. I'm thinking of inviting Candace. Jewish donors play into all the stereotypes. I cannot.

It will not be bullied like this. and then he concludes leaving me no choice but to leave the pro-Israel cause okay so so that's the story so charlie kirk said in his text exchange that he was fed up with jewish donors and that they live down to all the stereotypes and that he has no choice but to leave the pro-Israel cause and i have to tell you that that i saw these texts like everyone else did when Candace released them. And I thought, I didn't say anything because I wanted to see how it played out, but I thought there was like a 40 or 50% chance that they were fake or at least partially fake. I didn't think that Candice fake them. I thought maybe someone had given, someone else had faked it, given her something fake and lied to her. And the reason I thought that, it was really just because of that final line, just that final line, the line about leaving the pro-Israel cause, like in those words exactly. It felt. Well, just kind of on the nose. It's just so definitive, like the kind of thing a person might make up.

But it turns out that it was not fake. Andrew Colvette, who by the way is great doing a heroic job, I think, helping to steer the ship after this tragedy, after this atrocity. But he's confirmed them. So that's that. And I think the takeaway here, well, there's two things I want to say. First of all, let me tell you what this doesn't prove. It does not prove that Charlie was in any way dishonest or not forthright or anything like that. And Candace, of course, has not accused him of that or implied it at all, just to be clear.

But I have seen people on social media trying to twist this stuff to smear him in that way. So that is something that you see. And it's not fair and it's not true. Charlie, in fact, expressed, well, first of all, he expressed a lot of these frustrations publicly. That's the first thing. And as a public person, he's also under no obligation to run out into the public in front of an audience, in front of a camera or microphone, and just blab whatever thought or feeling he most recently had in his head. He's not under any obligation to have a thought or feeling and say, oh, I've got to tell everybody right away. In fact, his obligation, especially in the position that he was in, as not just a public.

figure, not just a media personality, but also the head of an organization, a very powerful, large, important organization. His obligation is really close to the opposite of that. And his position, his responsibility was to be honest, of course, and he was honest, but also you have to be prudent and you have to be measured and you have to be thoughtful in what you say and when you say it and how you say it. And he was working through some really difficult things. And he wanted to sort all that out within himself personally, you know, I'm assuming, before, but, before he said it in front of an audience. So, and that's what you see here.

So there's nothing that makes me feel any different about Charlie at all. He was, as I said, as I said the day after he was, after he was killed in my first show back, he was a great, and I've said many times since, he was a great man and a virtuous and honest man, very admirably honest, honest, unusually honest. in particular in politics and in this business. And that still is the case. That hasn't changed at all. Secondly, okay, so the pro-Israel side lost Charlie Kirk. That's what he said in his message. In his own words.

Now, he may have been venting. He may have been expressing frustration. He obviously was doing that. He may not have flipped over to being actually actively anti-Israel. he didn't say that but he did say that hey they lost me and they lost him because of how he was being treated and what he saw behind closed doors and he was obviously not alone in feeling that way because listen the pro-Israel side as charlie called it has lost the majority of the american public It doesn't have the left at all, which, who cares, that's fine.

But it also doesn't have a huge chunk of the right. And it wasn't always that way. It doesn't have the younger generation, like at all. It doesn't have support globally. It's just failed to persuade the vast majority of people. That's the fact. That's the reality. And at some point, if you're on the pro-Israel

side, you really need to be honest with yourself and engage in some actual honest self-reflection and self-analysis. You really do. Because you're losing the argument. I mean, you're just losing it. You are. And I've never seen any side of any argument lose this much support this quickly. I can't think of any other example of something like this. And if you're on that side, you need to have the courage and humility to ask yourself what you're doing wrong. Now, sure, you know, when you are going out with a message and nobody is buying it, and even people who were buying it suddenly are not anymore, now you could say, oh, well, it's everybody but me, it's all then. Everyone is against me, and it's all their fault. There's not, not doing anything wrong. It's possible that's the case.

You know, in the whole history of the world when people feel ganged up on and I'm not doing anything wrong and they're doing everything wrong. Yeah, on occasion, that could be true. But most of the time in life, you got to look at common denominators. And most of the time in life, when you're going around and your message is just not resonating with anyone almost, there's, there's, there's, um, You got to look at yourself. That's the case most of the time. But that doesn't seem to happen. You know, I don't see a lot of like self-reflection here. And there really should be, especially now. I mean, this should be the kind of thing. If you're on that side of the argument and you see these text messages, it's the kind of thing that should make you sit back and go, wow. I mean, even Charlie was feeling that way. But instead what happens is that typically they'll do what the donors were doing to Charlie.

apparently scold and point fingers and throw the anti-Semitism charge around. And I mean, they'll do it to me because of what I'm saying right now, right? This is going to get clipped and it's going to be, oh, see, he's woke right, he's anti-Semitic. He's, you know, that's going to happen. That's going to happen. I'll probably, I will get rebuked even by some people who I would consider friends or at least friendly. So it's like you can just You know it's going to happen

And they won't be able to help themselves And they will do it Even though everything I'm saying right now Is just true I'm giving you an analysis Of the state of affairs And it's not any kind of You don't have to be a genius

To figure this out If you did I wouldn't have figured out Because I'm not a genius But you can look around and see Okay clearly you're losing the argument And if you're going to conduct Any kind of honest inventory here This is the first place you should start

And I'll tell you the first major mistake you've made is that you push out your allies or your potential allies if they don't tow the line 100%. 100% perfect clean record of being pro-Israel in every way in all cases all the time, always. If they fail that test, you push them out, you label them woke right, you label them anti-Semitic. And that's what Charlie experienced. He was very pro-Israel, but he also was friends with Tucker. wanted to have a conversation with Tucker, which also makes sense. He was, that's the right thing, by the way. It's not just that Charlie was perfectly justified and had every right to talk to

whoever he wants and to platform whoever he wants. That, of course, is true. But he didn't just have the right to do it. He was right to do it. Yeah, if you're going to have a big event like America Fest, huge event, great event, I'll be at it this year. Yeah, Tucker should be there. It would be absurd for him not to be there.

But what Charlie experienced is that because of that, well, we're going to withdraw our money. We're going to take the funding away. And yet, you have the right to do that. You have the right to take your money and do what you want with it. But this is the problem. Okay, this is why. This is, it doesn't, it's not persuasive.

people see that and they say okay well you're just a bully and you you won't and you you you you will not allow any conversation to happen at all and i've encountered a version of this too many times um you know as everyone knows my position everyone knows my position and it hasn't changed it's that i'm not pro or anti-israel i'm not pro or anti any foreign country very consistent about that. I don't care about any country but my own. That's just my opinion. That's my perspective. Might not be yours. You might not, you might feel that it's wrong. You might feel that it's, you know, too simplistic. You might feel that it, you might feel, however you want to feel about it, I don't really care. That's just my perspective. It always has been, always has been.

My entire adult life, I'm very consistent about this. I don't want foreign aid to any country, including Israel. And I always call out when I feel the U.S. is getting involved in something that it shouldn't get involved in. And if they're getting involved in something from my perspective, for the sake of Israel, and I don't think they should, I'll say that. I was against the Iran intervention. So I'll call that out. I'll also call out the Islamic invasion of the U.S. I spent several days just over the past couple of weeks talking about that.

I did multiple shows just about the situation in Dearborn. I've talked about many, many times. I've spent a lot of time on importing, you know, Somalis into places like Minnesota. So I'll talk about that too. So I think I'm pretty damn consistent in my own principles when it comes to this stuff. And again, you don't have to share those principles, but they're mine and I'm consistent about America first. I call out anything that I think is not America first. I also call out the Israel obsession on the other side, the anti-Israel side, the anti-Israel side,

the tendency to bring everything back to Israel all the time, even if it doesn't have anything to do with it. There's a tendency on that side to be Israel first from the other direction. I've made that point countless times on this show, on X, on every platform, just being consistent, which means that if you're pro-Israel, you may not agree with some of my takes, but there's no reason why I should be your enemy because you'll also agree with a lot of my other takes. And yet, I've been labeled woke right, anti-Semitic. I just saw this today. I don't know if it was, just a tweet that popped up.

One of many. I see them all the time. But someone was, I was just catching some conversation. I wasn't even about me, but I was catching astray. Someone said, oh, you know, Matt Walsh is constantly engaging in anti-Semitic tropes. And I see this all the time. I'm like, what? What are you even talking about?

but this is what they're talking about. It's just not not towing the line 100%. And I don't. I don't tow any line. I mean, the only line I tow is my own line. I have my own line. I have my own line, the things that I care about, and that's what I tow. I don't tow any other lines.

And like I said, that's going to happen in reaction to what I'm saying right now. And that's your problem. You know, this all or nothing strategy. It's not working. It is failing utterly and totally. it just is. So that was my reaction to this news. Just being honest with you. I actually am genuinely surprised that Charlie had been pushed away from that side. I know everybody now wants to say about Charlie, oh, see, I knew all along. Well, I didn't know. I don't know. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I

to know about this at all. I'm sincerely surprised. And that's my honest feeling. To me, the takeaway here is that the side that Charlie himself identifies as the pro-Israel side, well, they managed to alienate and push away Charlie Kirk. And if you're on that side, you should really, really stop and think about that. You just should. Rather than screaming at me for telling you to stop and think about it, you should actually stop and think about it. All right, let's brighten the mood with a fun video. This is Katie Porter, formerly known as somehow, somehow one of the most insufferable Democrats in Congress.

And she managed to claim that title amid all the really intense competition. Now she's running for governor of California, and it's not going well. Here she is sitting down with a reporter. This is a reporter from CBS News, I believe. So a friendly reporter, friendly outlet, on her side. And watch how this goes. Listen.

What do you say to the 40% of California voters who you'll need in order to win who voted for Trump? How would I need them in order to win, man? Well, unless you think you're going to get 60% of the vote. You think you'll get 60%? Everybody who did not vote for Trump will vote for you. That's what you're saying. In a general election, yes. If it is me versus a Republican, I think that I will win.

the people who did not vote for Trump. What if it's you versus another Democrat? I don't intend that to be the case. So how do you not intend that to be the case? Do you, are you going to ask them not to run? No, no, I'm saying I'm going to build the support. I have the support already in terms of name recognition. And so I'm going to do the very best I can to make sure that we get through this primary

in a really strong position. So you don't think you need to do. I feel like this is unnecessarily argumentative. What is your question? The question is the same thing I asked everybody, that this is being called the empowering voters to stop Trump. power grab. Every other candidate has answered this question. This is not argumentative. And I said I support it. So, and the question is, what do you say to the 40% of voters who

voted for Trump? Oh, I'm happy to say that. It's the do you need them to win part that I don't understand. I'm happy to answer the question as you haven't written and I'll answer it. And we've also asked the other candidates, do you think you need any of those 40% of California voters to win? And you're saying, no, you don't. No, I'm saying I'm going to try to win every vote I can. And what I'm saying to you is that. Well, to those voters. Okay, so you... I don't want to keep doing this.

I'm going to call it. Thank you. You're not going to do the interview with us? Nope, not like this. I'm not. Not with seven follow-ups to every single question you ask. Every other candidate has answered our followers. I don't care.

I don't care. I want to have a pleasant, positive conversation, which you ask me about every issue on this list. And if every question, you're going to make up a follow-up question, then we're never going to get there. I don't want to have an unhappy experience with you. And I don't want this all on camera. I don't want to have a follow-up. have an unhappy experience with you either. I would love to continue to ask these questions so that

we can show our viewers what every candidate feels about every one of these issues that they care about. And redistricting, it's a massive issue. We're going to do an entire story just on the responses to that question. And I've asked everybody the same follow-up questions. Well, you know, a little late for that, Katie. After melting down on camera for three minutes, she finally says that she doesn't want to do this on camera. And the hilarious and revealing thing is that the meltdown was precipitated. You just saw there, by the easiest, most softball question you could possibly imagine. All she was asked is what she will say, how she will reach out to voters on the other side. That's all she was asked. That is

politician 101 stuff. Okay. That's not anything close to a gotcha or a trap question. It's the opposite. It's not a curve ball. This is a T-ball. It's not a curveball question. It's a curve-ball question. The ball is right there on the T. It's sitting right. All you have to do is just swing, and you almost can't help but hit it. And instead, she refused to swing. She walked up to the T, threw her bat down, and said, this is too hard. The ball's moving too fast. What do you mean, the ball's not moving at all? It's not fair. So amazing performance, truly. And the answer would have been so easy, Katie.

The answer's so easy. What are you going to do to reach out to all the Republicans? Here's all you say. Well, what I say to voters on the other side is, I will fight for you. I will fight for all Californians. We're all in this together. You know, whatever, whatever. Something like that, basic stuff, easy.

And she lost it. in the history of politician interviews, has anyone ever stormed out because of an easier question? Have you ever seen a less warranted storm out? Maybe one. The only one that comes to mind is, is I think I still have the, I have the title when Congressman Mark Takano stormed out of her interview and what is a woman, because I asked him, you know, what is a woman? So this, but this is second to that. This is a very close second. And what accounts for this meltdown? Well, three things. And I think everyone is focused on the first two that I'll list, not so much the third. But the first is that Katie Porter is, first of all, just a miserable person, an awful, vile human being. She's been accused of physical and emotional abuse by her ex-husband. She's accused of abusive behavior by her former staff members. So there's a definite pattern here. There's a common denominator and it's Katie Porter. And then you see this and it certainly supports the claim that she's abusive behind the scenes when you see this. I mean, not every claim like that is true. I mean, you get these claims about people. Okay, someone in a divorce making a claim, well, they have,

of course, every incentive to lie or exaggerate former staff members, you know, especially these days you have staff members and we get these scandals with politicians sometimes we get them with talk show hosts oh they're so mean they're so mean

and then you hear the horror stories and it's just like you know that you showed up late to work and they told you hey don't be late or something and then you went and cried in a bathroom for 45 minutes and had to go to a therapist so a lot of times it's that but you see something like this

and you see the way she behaves on camera and okay well that really comports. I mean, if she's acting like that on camera, she's on camera and someone asked her a super easy question. And you could tell, you could just lunge, throttle this woman for asking the question. And, okay, if that's how you're going to act on camera, you can only imagine what she's doing behind the scenes.

The second thing is that it tells us is that Democrats, of course, live in a bubble, especially in California. They are never asked. It's not just that they're never asked hard questions. They aren't asked questions, period. They're never asked any real questions that have to be answered. They're never expected to give any real answers to anything at all. And this has made them extremely soft and very incapable of navigating even the friendliest, most sort of low stakes exchanges.

But the third thing here, and this is to me the main point. As easy as the question is, or seems, for Democrats these days, it's not so easy. It's difficult. And it's difficult because they truly hate the voters on the other side. Her real answer that she didn't want to say is that she doesn't want their vote. That's a real answer. She doesn't want them, she doesn't want them to have a vote. She doesn't want them to be alive. She wishes they were. dead. That's a real answer. If she was being totally honest and she was asked, well, what about the 40% of the republic? What are you going to say to them? If she was being honest, what she would have said is, oh, what do I say to them? I say, go die. I say, hey, guys, why don't you go throw yourselves into the Pacific Ocean and drown? All of you, you and your children. That's what she would have said if she was being honest, because that's how she actually feels. And that's why

she can't answer her question. To her, asking her how she's going to reach Republican voters, it's like asking her how she's going to reach out and appeal to, you know, it's like if you had said to her, well, you know, California has a heavy population of serial killers. What are you going to do to reach them? How are you going to appeal to the serial killer demographic? It's like, now, I mean, that's a bad example because in reality, Katie Porter has no problem reaching the serial killer vote. She would actually, I think she'd be very good at that because that's the vibe she gives off. And on top of that, you know, the abortion industry supports her totally. So she has the serial killer vote already locked down.

But you get my point. You get my point. And more than anything else, this is a reflection of how Democrats can't even pretend that they think their opponents are human beings. They can't even feign it. They can't. They can't faint it long enough for a powder puff interview with a friendly media outlet. They can't fake it long enough to just say, yes, I want to reach all voters.

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and Friends. Let's listen. Here's the problem. With alcohol, I can look at Brian. I can smell Brian if he's been drinking in the car. There's telltale signs. And then I can give him a breathalyzer. Right. And then I can take a blood test later. It's hard with marijuana. We don't have the systems in place to tell if you were smoking marijuana before you got in the car. So the systems aren't there at a time when culture is pushing and celebrating the use of marijuana. We're not talking about the risks. We lose 42,000 people on the roads every year. But way too many.

So do you think that we should legalize it? That's where the president's thinking about changing its ranking, its schedule. I think it would be a huge mistake. Listen, I understand. He's getting a lot of pressure to do it. I understand he's getting pressure. Listen, I've got nine kids. I see what these drugs do.

I'm not a supporter of legalized. And again, I was a prosecutor. We didn't send people to prison for a quarter-ounce bag or an eighth-ounce bag of marijuana. They got a city citation. They're not going to prison for this, but to legalize it and to say it's okay for our kids and our young people to smoke it,

and it's good for them. Then they get behind cars. It's dangerous. And listen, it's taken lives. And it's addictive. Something else is... Really addictive. And by the way, it's not the 1960s marijuana.

Right. This is way more dangerous. dangerous stuff. And then they're lacing it with other materials that are incredibly dangerous. Yeah. Well, so of course, of course, I mean, he's right. And of course, weed is linked to traffic deaths. Right. It's a mind-altering substance. It makes you hazy and tired and lowers your reaction times. It affects your brain. It affects your mind. A lot of people are smoking the stuff now and most of them are driving. So not hard to work out the calculus. And yet the potheads still are. aren't ready to have this conversation. They aren't ready to admit that there are any downsides

to weed at all. And that's really what gets me about this topic. And you know how I feel about it. We don't have to get into the debate again. I've laid out, Mike. I also think that weed should be banned. Federally, it should be banned across the country. I give them my reasons why. But you don't have to agree with that. What gets me about it is this, that it's, that it's. this total lack of, perhaps to be expected, total lack of realism and honesty on the part of the pot advocates. And not even accusing them of explicitly lying. I think there's some of that.

But I think they're lying to themselves. They're lying to themselves. And so then what they say is just it's not realistic. It's not in, you're not living in reality. And it's unlike anything else in that regard. So there are plenty of people, myself included, who enjoy alcohol in moderation. Plenty of people who enjoy it, not in moderation also. But the alcohol enjoyers, you know, they're not going to deny the health downsides.

I've never heard that. I've never heard anyone who likes to have a drink on occasion deny that there are health problems associated with it. We're not going to deny that, yeah, you know, drinking and driving is bad. You definitely shouldn't do it. It's a big problem. We're not going to deny that, yeah, drinking can mess up your liver. It can make you gain weight. It can, there are all kinds of possible complications.

You drink too much, it can cause brain damage. I mean, it screws up all your internal organs, right? You know? But we won't deny that. There's plenty of denial among full-blown alcoholics. I'm not suggesting otherwise. I'm just saying that I've never heard anyone claim that you can drink basically however much you want without any measurable downside. Nobody claims that.

Now, people might deny, if they're in denial and they're alcoholics, they might deny that they themselves are guilty of that kind of overindulgence. But they will at least agree that overindulging is possible and it is bad. Right. They'll agree that, yeah, people do that and it's bad, but I don't. That's where the denial comes in. But at least there's that fundamental agreement that, yeah, alcohol can definitely be dangerous if you drink too much of it. And it's not the healthiest thing. Like it's obviously not healthy, all things considered.

But among potheads, there's just no acknowledgement from what I've seen. I don't think I'm making a straw man here. There's just really no acknowledgement of any downsides. They refuse to acknowledge it. if you say, yeah, you know, it causes car accidents. They'll deny that. They'll actually try to deny that. So, of course, it causes car accidents.

What do you talk? Obviously, a lot of people are smoking it. They get high. You get behind the wheel of a car. That's not, that's far from ideal. Your reaction times are lower. You're not, like, you're not sober. So any time you're driving not sober, your chances of getting to an accident are increased.

So clearly, this is causing accidents. And because of the number of people who drive in America and the number of people who are smoking, we might not know the exact number, but we can assume that it's a pretty high number. And yet you get these pot advocates who just like they won't acknowledge that. If you talk about the studies say, oh, it's linked to cancer. They won't acknowledge it. You talk to this about the studies that it's linked to psychosis. It's a mind-altering substance. They won't, they won't acknowledge it.

They just refuse to acknowledge that. I don't know. There's no downside from what I've seen that these people will say, yeah, you know, that is true. That's true. It does do that. That is a risk. That is a downside. However, I still like to smoke it because X, Y, Z. And I think it should be legal because X, Y, Z. That's at least an argument that, like, that's a conversation we could have. But what I find is just total absolute across-the-board denial where you want to believe that, well, this is a, it was made by God. It's a plant. Who cares it was a plant? There's a lot of plants out there that you're not supposed to ingest. That doesn't mean, yes, it's naturally occurring. That doesn't necessarily mean that it's perfectly okay to ingest. Okay, try going out into the forest sometime and just ingesting any plant you see. Actually, don't try that because you'll die, because there's a lot of stuff out there you're not supposed to ingest. But that's the answer you get, and it's totally ridiculous.

And it's just, it's denial. It's total denial. Finally, this went viral. Here's a post from Colin Rugg. We'll play the video as I read the caption. There's no audio to it. So you can see there. China officially opens the world's tallest bridge, completing the project under four years.

The bridge features a restaurant at the top, a whopping 2,600 foot feet above the the river. The bridge not only cuts a two-hour drive to two minutes, but also features as a theme park with a glass skywalk, a high-speed glass elevator, and a waterfall off the edge of the bridge. Okay. So very impressive, as you can see. And of course, the reason I think it's going viral is that people in America are looking at you look at the comments, and it's just all these comments saying asking the same question, which is why aren't we building stuff like this anymore? right why is it all if there's some big impressive architectural engineering feat it's always china doing it these days and how did they build this giant bridge across this 2,000 foot canyon in four years

and there's like restaurants and theme parks and everything meanwhile the key bridge in baltimore had a cargo ship ram into it two years ago and there's still a giant gaping hole in the side of it They haven't even started to fix it yet. So what's going on? I mean, why don't we do this? When was our last great architectural feat? When was our last engineering marvel? We've had a lot of them.

No one's had more than us. I mean, we are the country that dug the Panama Canal. We dug a canal across 51 miles of jungle and connected two oceans together. something multiple countries tried to do and failed, and we went in and did it. We built the Empire State Building, 1,200 feet high. Took one year. They did it in one year. And not only is it a really high building, the tallest in the world at the time that it was built,

it's also beautiful. It's a beautiful building on top of just being really big. Built a Hoover Dam, the largest concrete structure ever built at the time. built the Golden Gate Bridge, longest suspension bridge ever built at the time. That thing is anchored like 200 feet below sea level. And again, it's not only big, and it was built quickly, it was built in four years,

not only big, built quickly, has obviously has withstood the test of time. It's beautiful. It's like art also. You know, that was also in the 1930s. We built a transcontinental railroad. Do you understand the transcontinental railroad was built across like 2,000 miles through desert, through mountains, through forests, across great plains, right? They were getting attacked by Indians, bandits.

There were diseases. 1,500 workers died. And they completed it in the 1860s with 1860s technology. And if it's been a while since you studied this in school, guess how long? Six years. In the 1860s, no modern technology at all to speak of people dying by the hundreds building this railroad over mountains and across deserts six years. We can't even build a parking garage in that amount of time now.

Okay, it'll take six years just to get the zoning permits to build a parking garage. If they tried to build that Chinese bridge in California today, it'd take 14 years just to begin construction. They'd start talking about it now. Right, with a goal of, okay, this will begin construction in the year 2040. And then when it begins, it'll be canceled years before it was ever going to be completed. So what changed? I mean, why can't we do stuff like this anymore?

Well, part of it is what I just mentioned. Endless tape, permits, you know, endless red tape, permits, zoning stuff, restrictions, endless bureaucratic meddling. it just makes it impossible to do anything great, anything awesome. And certainly like a tolerance for danger. We have no tolerance for that at all anymore. When we were building the Panama Canal, building the Transcanal Railroad, we went into it knowing like, okay, a lot, you know, when the workers showed up, it was like a lot of you are going to die doing this, by the way.

Here's what we're doing. and a lot of you are going to die trying to do it. That's the deal. Now, I'm not suggesting that we should accept that much carnage. We don't need to. We also have modern technology. We have modern medicine. So that's, I'm not saying people should sign up to give their lives for our construction project.

But what I'm saying is we've gone all the way to the other extreme. And that's part of the problem. And as a country, you know, so we just can't, you can't do it. We can't do anything great, anything awesome. And that really is the primary reason. That's the primary reason to build a bridge like the one in China. Sure, it has a practical purpose. It cuts a two-hour drive into two minutes.

But also, you should build the bridge because it's awesome. That's why you should do it. Why do you build the giant bridge and you got the theme park and the restaurant on it? and it's really high and it's, yeah, it cuts down a commute, but why do you really build it? Because it's really cool. That's why. It's just a, it's a, because you want to be able to say you did it. Okay.

Because as a country, you should be doing awesome. That's, that's why. It's that simple. You should do it because it's great. You should do it because you can. And, and, but that reasoning is not convincing to bureaucrats. That's the problem. They don't care about greatness.

They don't care about anything. They're nihilistic medallers who exist solely to justify their own job. and for no other purpose. I mean, asking why a bureaucrat exists, asking why do you have, why are you doing this? It's like asking why cancer exists. Well, it exists to eat away and destroy. That's why it's there.

It doesn't have any other purpose. It's not thinking about what it's doing. It's just, that's why it's there. And as bureaucrats, it's just like, their job is, okay, well, you want to go build, you want to do something awesome? We're going to make it impossible for you. And if you were to ask them, why are you doing this to us?

Why? Why are you making this impossible? We want to do something awesome. Why are you doing everything you can to stop us? They don't have an answer. As I said, it's like asking a cancerous tumor, why it's doing what it's doing. There's no answer. So that's part of the problem. Also, we rely on cheap, bad Mexican labor for everything now. Even though we build all those incredible things without Mexican labor. Now we're told that, well, you can't. Oh, we got to have the Mexican. You got to have the labor here from South America and Central America. because otherwise you can't build anything. Well, okay, well, that's interesting. So how did we, like, build everything without them to begin with, huh? Now we can't do anything. Now we can't do anything without Mexican labor.

Well, how did we build the country without them? I'd like to know. And then also, finally, I think, and this is the biggest problem, is that we've just lost the will and desire to do the great things. I think we have. And that's the saddest thing about, like, the state of the country right now. We talk about making America great again. Well, we will be great again when we as a nation have the will and desire to go out and do impossible things just for the sake of doing them.

That's the kind of greatness that has defined our country since its beginning. Go do something impossible. Do something unthinkable. Do something historic. Just to do it. And anyone asks you, well, why are we doing that? It's like those people are so weak and pathetic. It's not even worth answering them.

the answer should be self-evident. The answer is in the greatness of the thing itself. When you go out to do something great and someone says, why are you doing this? Well, because it's great, because look at it. That's why. If that's not immediately obvious to you, then you're not worth talking to. You shouldn't have a voice in this conversation. Now, there are still Americans individually who have that drive, obviously, but there are

Americans who do impressive things all the time. But as a nation, I don't think that we have that. And a lot of that goes to leadership. And I'm not specifically talking about the White House right now. I'm talking about this is a decades, multi-decade's long problem. And I'm talking about leadership institutionally across the board. And it's a cultural problem. It's a lot of things.

And I think that's what we lost. That's why I go on and on about space exploration all the time. And people will say to that, oh, there's no point. Why waste the money? Why waste the money on that? Waste money. What are you talking about? We waste money in a million ways already.

If you're really worried about we're wasting money. There's so many other. We waste money when we give fat people food stamps so they can buy Dr. Pepper. Okay. That's wasting money. We waste money in a million different ways that you can count. This is not wasting money. Going out into space, the great unknown, doing things that no human has ever done or conceived of doing, making history, changing history, changing civilization, doing something that they'll be.

reading about in history books, you know, that are implanted on their forearms, 500 years for now. Like, that is, that's not, that can never be a waste of money. How could it be? What is the point of money? What's the point of being a wealthy country, a highly advanced wealthy country, if you're not going to do stuff like that? What's the point? So, that's what we need to get back to. We need, and a lot of it is, it's, it is a cultural thing. Like, we have to have to have that desire in us. A lot of us are not going to be the ones who go and do that. I'm not actually going to be the one. I'd love to go into space. I got six kids now. My wife probably would not approve. So I've aged out. I've aged out of space exploration. I still think it should be done. I still think

it should be done. And there is something to, so even if you're not going to go out and do the thing, just like I say, we built Panama Canal. Well, most Americans didn't build. We built the, you know, Empire State Public. I say we. Most Americans, the vast majority of Americans, even alive at the time, had no hand in that. But you do have a hand in it if you, by just the desire to see it done, by supporting it, by like calling for it. I mean, this was at the time culturally, there was this cultural. And this is, and I say at the time, I mean, for decades, for, you know, for the entire history of America up until very recently, there, it was the culture demanded it. Everybody wanted it. Like go, we, we, we. want to see this country do incredible, great, awesome things. And in that environment, that's where the people who know how to do those things can step up and say, okay, you guys want this and you're going to support it. You're going to support it financially. You're going to give it the moral support it needs and all that. Then I'll go do it. I'll be the guy. And we need to create that environment, I think, and we don't right now. So there it is. That's my speech for today. Get back

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