The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 277 - Burning The Flag Is Stupid And Grotesque. It's Also A Protected Form Of Speech.

Episode Date: June 17, 2019

Some republicans are trying to ban flag burning, again. But is flag burning a form of speech? Is it protected by the First Amendment? I think yes, obviously. We’ll talk about it. Also, we’ll look at a powerful yet heartbreaking video of an incident that happened outside of an abortion clinic. And finally, Taylor swift has a new song out. It’s incredibly boring and obnoxious at the same time. An impressive combination. Date: 06-17-2019 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Today on the Matt Wolls show, some Republicans are trying to ban flag burning again, but is burning the flag a form of speech? Should it be protected free speech? Is it covered by the First Amendment? I say, yes, obviously, on all three counts, but we'll talk about it. Also, we'll look at a very powerful yet heartbreaking video of an incident that transpired outside of an abortion clinic recently. And finally, Taylor Swift has a new song out. It's at once incredibly boring and obnoxious at the same time, which is an impressive combination that Taylor Swift has seemingly perfected. So we'll take a look at that song today on the Matt Wall Show. Okay, well, I hope you had a great weekend, great Father's Day to all the dads out there.

I don't mean to brag, but I have been awarded. It's no big deal. But as you can see, and I don't know if you can read in the camera that it's the best dad bod trophy. And I got two of them. So I'm a two-time, two-time champion. You see, my wife took the twins out to the store to get me a, oh, they left the price tag on too. Yeah, so disappointing. My wife took the twins out to the store to get me something for Father's Day, and they, you know, they ended up in the aisle with all the souvenir trophies.

And my kids really wanted to get me a Best Dad trophy, but they can't really read. so they chose a best dad bod trophy unknowingly and my wife decided not to correct them which i respect and so this is what i got now you know their kids are known to speak a lot of truth accidentally and so i think this is yet another example of that although i did also uh again i mean i'm just the most of probably best i'm also have the best dad the best dad ever that's what that says so i'm the best dad ever i've got the best dad dad bod i mean this is just uh something that I can put on my resume, I suppose. All right, a lot to talk about today,

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a proposal which would ban flag burning. Actually, it's a proposed constitutional amendment which would give Congress the authority to ban the burning of the flag. And they have to do it that way because the Supreme Court has ruled several times that desecrating the flag is a form of protected speech. And this isn't just liberal justices

who have said this, by the way. Scalia was of this opinion as well. did an interview, I think of shortly before he died, and he said that burning the flag is stupid and offensive, but also, of course, it's free speech. Still, some Republicans are taking another stab and making it illegal, a stab which will fail because this is obviously just a publicity stunt. It's not, you know, to get a constitutional amendment passed, you know, you need a two-thirds vote. It's very difficult. I mean, I don't think with the way that, the way things work now, and with how sort of divided everything is,

you're not going to get two-thirds approval on anything, especially not a subject like this. So this is a PR thing. It's a PR move. Some red meat for that section of the conservative base, which always seems to fall for red meat. And there is that, you know, I don't know, I'd say maybe 20 to 25% of the conservative base

that they will just gobble up any red meat you throw at them with just without discern, undecurning. President Trump, of course, not one to miss an opportunity to join in the Red Meat Fest, also came out and endorsed this proposal. Candice Owens went a step further. She tweeted yesterday, this is what she said. If I were president, the punishment for burning the U.S. flag would be the renunciation of citizenship. No jail time, no fine, simply one year to liquidate your assets and get the hell out of our country.

In exchange, we'd extend citizenship to a hardworking legal immigrant. Of course, there are many issues here with that idea, starting with the fact that the president doesn't have the authority to just unilaterally remove your citizenship because he doesn't like something that you did. Now, this is the kind of thing, if you listen to this show regularly, this is the kind of thing that I often threaten to do to remove citizenship, ban people from the country, deport them, send them to the moon, execute them. These are threats that I I often dole out, but I say that I'm going to start doing these things when I become dictator, which I will eventually be dictator, because I realize that I need to be dictator in order to do

stuff like that. In order to run the country like a dictator, you really need to be one. I guess some people think presidents can or should act the same way. I tend to disagree. So let's, because I do find this interesting, let's look at the arguments presented in favor of banning flag burning. Now, Trump made no arguments, as usual. He just called it a no-brainer. It's a no-brainer. Okay.

Owens makes no argument, really. She just says that you should get the hell out of the country. Fine. Okay. That's a statement. It's not an argument. Representative Womack, one of the people behind the legislation, offered this justification.

Our flag is more than a cloth painted red, white, and blue. It is a symbol of worldwide freedom, unity, and liberty. It has guided troops in the battle flown during our triumphs and challenges and is placed over the caskets of those who have paid the ultimate sacrifice. Generations have fought to defend our stars and stripes, and the American people have simply given too much for the flag to not have the ability to protect it. Okay. Our flag is a symbol of freedom. Therefore, if you desecrate it, you should go to jail. Can you really not see the irony there?

You're going to jail for desecrating freedom. If you don't respect freedom, you can go to jail, buddy. You know, I don't think I need to explain the self-contradictory nature of something like that. Now, let's back up for a minute and go through this because I do think it's important. We're dealing here with free speech, which is one of the essential foundational principles of our country. and it kind of appalls me, frankly, to see so many conservatives who have no interest in conserving free speech. I mean, if you don't want to conserve free speech, then what do you want to conserve? Why do you call yourself a conservative?

What are you trying to conserve exactly? Now, I think that there are other things worth conserving as well as free speech, but when it comes to a list of things that we need to conserve in this country, I would think that free speech is definitely at least in the top five. arguably the number one, because if we don't have the ability to do that, that we can't really do anything else. Whatever else we have on our agenda, as conservatives, it kind of relies on us having the ability to make these arguments and fight for that cause. If we don't have that, then we don't really have the rest of it. So it's certainly a really important thing. If we're going to throw that out, then I think we've cut ourselves off at the knees. Now, it should go without saying that I personally do not support burning the flag. This is not an argument about should we burn the flag or not. If that was the argument, it would be 98, you know, it would be like a 98 to 2 ratio here. It's like 98% of probably all Americans, if not more, would say you shouldn't burn the flag. And probably 99.9.9% of all Americans have never burned a flag and never will. So I don't think we should burn the flag. I don't think we should burn the flag. I don't.

I don't support it. I think it's a stupid thing to do. I have never done it. I would never do it. I think it's gross and gratuitous and offensive. So again, this is not a discussion about whether or not we should do it. So if you respond to what I'm saying now by describing all of the reasons why it's offensive and horrible, you're missing the point because I agree that it's offensive and horrible. That's not what we're talking about. But I think there are a lot of offensive and horrible things, ideas that are said or otherwise expressed, that I think should not be expressed, yet I still think are protected by the First Amendment. So there are a whole lot of things that people say or do or ideas they express where I would say, yeah, I don't think you should be saying that. But that doesn't mean that I think that there should be laws against it. When I say should not do, I mean, you should make the choice as a free American to not do or say that thing.

It doesn't always mean that I think you should go to jail or be fined or penalized legally for doing it. Let's face it, we live in stupid times. So 90% of all speech these days is stupid, it seems, yet it's free because we live in a free country. And I'd like to keep it that way. is there a coherent argument in favor of banning flag burning in spite of the First Amendment? I think it's possible to make an eloquent and emotionally compelling argument, but it's, but not necessarily an intellectually coherent one. Justice Rehnquist, in one of the flag burning cases,

offered a dissent. he was in favor of banning flag. This is part of what his dissent said. And so let me give an eloquent defense of that position. So I'm not just doing, you know, engaging in straw men here. So he says, the American flag then throughout more than 200 years of our history has come to be the visible symbol embodying our nation. It does not represent the views of any particular political party. And it does not represent any particular political philosophy. The flag is not simply another idea or point view competing for recognition in the marketplace of ideas. Millions and millions of Americans regard it with an almost mystical reverence regardless of what sort of social, political,

or philosophical beliefs they may have. I cannot agree that the First Amendment invalidates the act of Congress and the laws of 48 to 50 states which make criminal the public burning of the flag. Now, I want to respond to that, but before we do, before we go any further, I want to take a brief time out to hear from our sponsors at GenuCell. Do you wish that double chin would just disappear? Well, you know, I guess everyone does newsflash, ladies and gentlemen. People look at your jawline and it tells your age. It's like looking at the, you know, the tree rings on a tree.

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Go to genuSel.com. That's genuicell.com. That is genuicell.com. All right. So Justice Rehnquist offers his reasons for banning the flag. And, you know, it's eloquently stated. But this, again, is just talking about what an important symbol the flag is, which I agree. It is an important symbol. So, but what's the principle then here? So we're saying you can't desecrate important symbols? Well, how is that not an infringement? on speech and how far does it go? There are many important symbols out there. There are some symbols that I think are quite a bit more important than the flag. The cross, for example, I personally think, is not only an important symbol, but in terms of symbols, it's the most important symbol on earth. As I said, certainly more important than the flag, which the flag represents the United States of America. America is a country that has not always existed and will not always exist. 500 years from now, America probably, it's a good chance America won't exist anymore.

500 years. Most countries don't last that long. Whereas the cross indoors for all time. But can you desecrate those other symbols? It seems that if you say, well, you could desecrate any symbol you want, just not the flag, your position is arbitrary. It's not grounded in any principle at all. The principle is just you can, you know, you can desecrate important symbols unless they're really, really important to me, in which case you can't. So you could desecrate symbols, yes, important symbols, yes, but really, really important symbols that I find very emotionally, you know, compelling. No, you can't desecrate those. That's not, that's, as I said, that's arbitrary. But if we outlaw the desecration of all important symbols, then how can we be said to live in a country with free speech

at all? It just doesn't make sense. These are. arguments, including the one made by Rehnquist, really boiled down to this. They say, I personally find burning the flag to be very upsetting and very offensive, which, again, I agree. I do too. But the whole point of the First Amendment is to protect that speech, which is very upsetting and very offensive. We don't need the First Amendment to protect non-offensive speech. You know, you can engage in non-offensive speech in countries that you can go to North Korea and engage in speech which is not considered offensive to North Koreans or at least to the North Korean government. Non-offensive speech is non-offensive. What is supposed to set America apart is that

here all speech is protected even the kinds of speech that would be banned almost anywhere else in the world. One of the things that's supposed to set America apart is that you can come here and burn our flag legally. Now, that's not the, that's not what makes America, that simple fact alone is not what makes America great, but I think that is a really profound, you want to talk about a symbol. That is a profound symbol of how much we cherish free speech, that you can even do that. And you're going to do that. People are going to shout at you. You're going to be shamed and shunned, probably by society, rightly so, because that's the consequence of speech. And just free speech does not mean speech that is free of consequence.

But you could do it legally. Of course, while respecting laws against public burning in general, which those are there for safety. So, you know, there are a lot of places where you can't go and just burn, you can't burn anything. You got to go to a place where public burning is allowed for safety reasons. but if you're in one of those places, then you can do it. Let's consider this. What is it that makes burning the flag so offensive? Those who favor laws banning flag burning would say that by burning the flag,

you are disrespecting the sacrifice made by our troops, you're showing disrespect and ingratitude to our country, and so on. And again, I would agree with all of that. That's all true. that's what makes it offensive, and that's why I'd never do it. But then, what if someone just came out and said? Okay, so if that's what makes burning the flag offensive, what if somebody just came out and said, I hate our troops and I don't care about their sacrifice and I don't care that they died? Our country is evil and terrible, et cetera. What if someone just said all of that?

what if someone said all of those idiotic and repulsive things? Should that be banned? I mean, the whole reason you think flag burning should be banned is because it expresses those very ideas, right? So what if those ideas are expressed without burning the flag? If you say that they should be banned even in that case, even when they're just said, then you may as well argue for the First Amendment to be repealed because you clearly disagree with it. But if you say, no, that shouldn't be banned. It's just if you say it by burning a flag, that's when it should be banned. On what basis can you justify that? It seems, yet again, the word I keep going back to is arbitrary. Is there some mystical quality to the flag itself? Ranguist talked about the mystical reverence that Americans have for the flag. Well, I don't think we should have mystical reverence for the flag, frankly. I think mystical reverence for a flag. No, it's one thing to respect the flag, but to have mystical reverence. for an object, like a flag, I think comes dangerously close to idolatry. But it would seem that you are imbueing mystical properties to the flag itself if you think

that burning a flag should be banned, but saying the ideas that burning the flag expresses should not be banned. And there really isn't, think about this for a second. There is no precedent, really. that I can think of for a law like that. You know, back in the Middle Ages in Europe, for instance, there were all kinds of laws against blasphemy. So if you were to take out a crucifix and stomp on it, you would face very harsh punishments for that,

up to it including death. But if you were to not involve a crucifix and just say the ideas that stomping on a crucifix expresses, if you were to just blaspheme vocally or through the written word, you would also face very harsh punishments. Because either way, the point is blasphemy is illegal. And so no matter how you do it, you're going to be in trouble. So the idea of, you know, and really, the laws against burning the flag, they're kind of like anti-blastominy laws. It's sort of the same idea. In fact, That's exactly what it is. We're saying that this is a sacred symbol. And if you, you know,

it's not because you're not, you know, if you do it in a safe environment and we're public burning, it's not, you know, no one's safety's in danger. You're not physically hurting anybody. It's not like slander or something where you're, you know, saying things that are untrue and causing damage to another person. All we're saying is it's a sacred symbol and you are desecrating the sacred symbol. And so that's why it's illegal. It is like a blast. me law, which is another thing that makes me uncomfortable because it gets dangerously close to idolatry, because that's the only comparison that I can come up with. But it's a very weird blasphemy law because, as I said, in any other case, blasphemy in any form is illegal. The idea that

it's only illegal when it involves this particular symbol just doesn't make any sense. So if you're going to advocate for these laws, you may as well go all the way, be intellectually consistent and say, yeah, you know what, I don't think you should even be allowed to go out and say that you don't respect our troops or that you hate America. So it doesn't make any sense. Now, there are those, last point I'll address here, there are those who say that, will say, that burning a flag is not speech, that it doesn't count as free speech because it isn't speech.

Well, they'll say, well, speech must be spoken or written. It must involve actual words. Well, again, the Supreme Court has repeated. disagreed with that claim, which is good, because of speech only includes spoken in written words, you've given the state a very wide censorship brush, and that makes me pretty uncomfortable. But I don't believe that the people who make this argument really believe it themselves. Because where they say, well, you know, if it is a flight, it's not speech with the flag. What if a local township were to pass an ordinance banning flying the flag?

and we have seen cases like this where they say, oh, you're not allowed to put a flag on your front porch because it messes with the, you know, aesthetically, it just doesn't work with what the other houses are doing. Well, in those cases, what you find, especially among people on the right, is that that's a violation of free speech.

If I want to fly a flag and express my love for the country, I should be able to do that. And I would basically agree that it is a free speech issue. So hold on a second. flying a flag is speech, but burning one isn't? Of course it's been. When you burn a flag, it is speech, which expresses the exact opposite sentiment that flying one expresses. That's the whole point of someone doing it. Right. And again, that's the whole reason people want to ban it. Okay, if I burned a flag because I was disposing of it according to proper flag code regulations,

which does stipulate that you should burn a flag, respectfully, if it's old and tattered and all that. So if I burned it in that context, you'd have no problem with it. If I burned it because I'm protesting something the government's doing, you would have a problem with it. Both are the same act, literally speaking, but you disagree with one because of the idea that it expresses, which proves conclusively that it is speech. And so when you say that we should ban it, you are trying to restrict speech. and you are trying to restrict it because you personally find it repulsive, and that is obviously a very, very dangerous road to go down.

And, you know, when you want to talk about slippery slopes and all that, I can see a slippery slope with laws against banning the flag because of the effect it has on free speech. Allowing it, I don't really see the slippery slope. You know, you're going to have a couple of wackos every year who burn a flag. It doesn't hurt anybody else. All they're really doing is advertising that they're stupid wackos, so the rest of us know it, which is great, actually. It's good for us to know.

And then we all go on with our lives. You know, there's no real slippery slope there. But there is on the other end. All right. Let's see what else. I wanted to, I want to play some, well, I don't really want to play it, but there is some very upsetting video that was, it's going viral online right now. But I'm going to play it for you. A Twitter user named Kay Fellows posted this video of something that happened, I assume,

outside of her local abortion clinic. It is outside of an abortion clinic. I don't know if it's her local one. And it kind of speaks for itself. So watch this. What you saw there, a man, don't do it. I took care of her kids and even take care of those kids. No matter what happens, Siler, you've done the right thing, man.

What you saw there, a man begging for his children. child's life as the mother goes to kill the child, that is not a unique situation. Now, it may be somewhat unique to have it play out that way dramatically at the clinic. That's not something that you see every day. But many, many men have been in this same situation. They are the silent, one of the silent victims of abortion. Of course, the primary silent victim is the baby who is. killed, but men are also victims of it, in many cases, certainly not in all cases, and probably not

in the majority of cases, but in plenty of, there are plenty of situations just like this. And, I mean, think about just trying to put yourself in that, and there are probably men watching this who have been in his shoes before, so I don't need to describe it to you, but to anyone else, you try to put yourself into that man's shoes where you're going to lose your child, not because of any disease or illness, but because the mother is going to kill him. And there's nothing you can do to stop it. You know, you can't call the police, because it's legal. You can't even go into the clinic because they won't let you in. And this is what abortion laws have created or situations like this. The powerful thing about that video is that it just blows to pieces

the whole idea of abortion being simply a woman's issue. And of course, if you're a smart person, you've always known that that is total BS, the idea that it's a women's issue. No, it takes two people to create a child, and every single child that has ever been killed through abortion, all 60 million of them have had fathers. And those fathers either supported the abortion or pressured it or they were horrified by it and tried to stop it or whatever the case is, they all had fathers. And those fathers are affected. So it is not just a woman's issue. No woman has ever gotten pregnant on her own. That is biologically, by definition, that child is as much the man's as it is the woman's. Now, I know that if you go on Twitter and you look up that video and you make the mistake of reading some of the comments, you're going to find pro-abortion people supporting the woman and basically insulting this man and say, well, how dare he try to control a woman's body?

And that also just shows you. I mean, if you, I don't care where you stand on the abortion issue, when you see that video, if you feel anything other than pity and, and. compassion and sadness for that man, then you are a, your soul is just dead. You are a cruel, inhuman person. And what you find is that so many pro-abortion people, they just, they have dead, they're dead inside. There's just nothing going on inside. They don't have the ability to feel compassion for human beings. And that's the effect that supporting abortion has after a while. I bring up kind of often this comparison between pro-abortion people. And if you think, about the Nuremberg trials. If you ever seen any footage of that or read any accounts of the

Nuremberg trials, of course, after World War II, the Nazi high-ranking Nazis were tried. Many of them executed for their horrific crimes against humanity. But the Nuremberg trials is, that's where the phrase, you know, the banality of evil comes from. Because many people noted, as they watched, these Nazis up there describing what they did. And it wasn't even like they were laughing maniacally while they described it or, you know, like they were comic book villains or something. So there wasn't, there certainly wasn't remorse in their voice or guilt. And it wasn't so much pride.

It was just like this, just nothing. They just described it like as if they, they were describing a trip to the post office. sort of bored and casual and just say whatever like that kind of attitude and that is someone whose soul has just died inside them as an empty husk of a person and i think you find the same thing with abortion and it happens inevitably if you're going to spend your time defending the murder of 60 million people there's just no way that you can retain your conscience while doing it because your conscience is going to eat at you it won't allow you to do it so you kind of have to choose after a while between your pro-abortion convictions or your conscience.

You got to make a choice. It's mutually exclusive. You can't have both. And pro-abortion people have chosen the ideology, that position over their conscience. And that's how they could see a video like that and feel nothing for that man, nothing at all for him, except disgust. All right. Let's see. Last thing here, just to maybe lighten the mood a little bit.

Taylor Swift released a new single a couple of days ago and it's woke. It's a very woke single. Not woke enough, okay, apparently. It's a pro-gay song with a lot of pro-gay lyrics,

including one of the lyrics, just to give you an idea of the poetry in this song, one of the lyrics is, why be mad when you can be glad, but except it's glad, G-L-A-A-D, the gay and lesbian alliance against defamation.

So that's the I think that's the lyric of the song. It's a cliche, but it's also, isn't that literally the, the slogan for glad? What is it, glad, isn't that a trash bags or something? Or Ziplock baggies? I don't know. They make, I think it's a slogan for that company as well. So, but she put a lot of pro-gay stuff in there in the song, but liberals are still upset,

because it's not pro-gay enough. it's just it's i don't know uh you know taylor swift she just she can't win taylor swift had been had it become kind of a meme that taylor swift would uh was get criticized by liberals for not being political enough and now she's gotten political and it's still not good enough because you just can't win with these people but anyway to me the real headline of the song is not the political leanings of it because i don't care about that it's just it's just how aggressively bad this song is. It's a song that smacks you upside the head with its awfulness and screams at you. I'm awful. Don't take my word for it. Here, take a listen to the song. You tell yourself, no one wants

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a cop out. And I'm just like, hey. Are you okay of expression, but I've learned a lesson that's stressing and obsessing about somebody else is no fun. Since stones never broke my- Stop. Stop. Here's the thing about that song and so many others. It sounds exactly like a million other songs. It sounds completely derivative and indistinguishable from everything else on the radio.

Yet at the same time, amazingly, it's also uniquely bad. So with each new pop song that you hear, you're bored to tears by it. Because on the rare occasion, when I'm flipping through the radio, which I rarely do, but as I'm driving, and I stumble across a pop song, it becomes a danger to my health because it puts me to sleep. You know, within five seconds, my eyes are getting droopy. It's just so boring. I've heard this so many times. It's exact, just the musical accompaniment and the melody, just everything. and the melody, just everything about it.

We've heard a billion times we've heard this. So it's like that because it's so unoriginal. Yet you're also nauseated because it sounds like the worst thing you've ever heard, yet you've heard it 40 billion times before. So this is really weird. You hear a song like that. You're falling asleep. You're bored.

You're also nauseous. So it's almost like you want to fall asleep and vomit at the same time, which is also really dangerous, by the way, because then you could, you know, that's not a good, situation. It's strange in that way to be both boring and horrifyingly awful at the same time is sort of impressive. By the way, speaking of things sounding the same, how many songs is Taylor Swift going to make where she just tells off the haters? Because that's what this song is about, right? She's telling off the haters. You need to calm down, haters. But that's the only

subject she writes about. I feel like I haven't followed Taylor Swift's career that closely. But I think what, back in 2006 or seven, she would make these country songs, old love, love songs and stuff. And that was fine. But then eventually she made this transition. And for the last 10 years, every single song she comes out with is just about the haters. She's just going after the haters, telling off the haters. Taylor, listen, the haters are told off. You've done it.

Okay. Mission accomplished. Maybe find another subject. I feel like you've explored the subject of haters as much as is possible. You've made 150 songs over 10 years about the haters. And there's not much else to be said. So maybe, I don't know, I just feel like there are other subjects out there you can talk about. This is Taylor Swift's way of writing songs these days.

It's just to find some cliche, you know, slogan. or phrase that people use when they're telling off haters, like shake it off or you need to calm down. And just to turn that into it, it's just take that phrase and put it in a hook, and that's your song. That's Taylor Swift's songwriting. All right. Has she made a song yet called, I Just Can't Even, or I Just Can't?

It seems like Taylor Swift needs to, that's, here's my prediction. Taylor Swift's next song is going to be called I Can't Even. And it's going to be exactly that song, except in the hook, it'll be I Can't Even, that she's sick. That's my prediction. I guarantee she's going to write that song one day, folks. And it'll be a huge hit, and she'll sell 50 million albums, because people still buy albums somehow. All right. You know what?

We're going to leave it there. Got a bunch of emails. I think I'll save the emails for tomorrow. And I think we all need to take a break after that Taylor Swift song. and recollect, you know, recuperate, collect ourselves, and we'll talk again tomorrow. Godspeed. Today on the Ben Shapiro show, Harvard participates in the worst persecution of a student I've ever seen.

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