The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 363 - Smear Merchant Adjacent

Episode Date: November 4, 2019

The Boston Globe smears the Daily Wire, calling us "white supremacist adjacent" and "an alt-right outpost." We'll talk about all of the reasons why this smear is insanely stupid. Also, AOC discovers h...er own humanity by listening to Bernie Sanders. And I have an impassioned and very sincere plea for Hillary Clinton. Date: 11-04-2019 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Well, a new poll just came out that has Joe Biden at the head of the Democratic primary pack, which isn't surprising. But Hillary Clinton is just about tied with him. She's ahead of everybody except Biden, who she's almost tied with. And let me say, if I could, and I'm being honest here, I don't like to admit this, but I think I can speak for all of the card carrying members of the American right, of which, of course I am a part of that group. But I speak for all of them when I say that I am absolutely terrified of a Hillary Clinton candidacy. It scares me so much. So please, Hillary, do not wrong. I beg you, please don't run.
Starting point is 00:00:45 If you ran Hillary, you would just cruise to victory. And it wouldn't be fair. It would not be fair to do that to run for a third time. So we all come together, all of us conservatives, and we join our hands and our voices, and we plead with you. have some mercy on us. Don't run for a third time. You are the one contender we fear. You are so dynamic, so formidable.
Starting point is 00:01:09 Such a powerful force and personality and so electric. People are just, and magnetic. You know, people are drawn to you as we saw the first two times you ran. I mean, really, I think if you did run, we would throw up our hands and say, no point in having election now. There's no reason. Let's just, I mean, why even do it? What's the point of why waste our time doing the whole election thing? In fact, I was talking to a friend of mine recently. We were, we were out at a bar at kind of a right wing bar. Everyone had assault rifles, you know, strapped to their backs. And we were all wearing NRA hats. And, you know, like we do, we're just hanging out. And he goes, phew, thank God, Hillary isn't running. That lady is unbeatable. And I said, I agree she's unbeatable, but I think she still might run. And then he started crying. I'm not making this.
Starting point is 00:02:05 He started crying when he was thinking about it. And everyone in the bar, everyone started crying. Think about what would happen if Hillary couldn't ran for president. This is how it always go. It goes, you say the name Hillary to any conservative, and they start trembling with fear as tears well up in their eyes. And really, Hillary, with all this stuff about Epstein in the news and everything, your husband being such a good friend of his,
Starting point is 00:02:25 I think that would be a huge help on the campaign trail as well, because it gives you such a great insight into the issue. You could really talk from experience about all the times your husband rode on Epstein's private plane or went to his rape mansions and all that stuff. It kind of gives you this insight that no one else has, which I think is also a great asset. So the point is, please don't run. I promise you that is the last thing we want. Now, I guess I just have to move on because I can't even think about this anymore because it just disturbs me so much.
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Starting point is 00:04:30 very long. So you want to go right now. It's free shipping as well. To get this special offer, you want to text Matt to 64,000. That's Matt to 64,000, M-A-T-T-4-0-0. Okay, I want to start with this just because it annoys me. The Boston Globe ran an article on Friday. complaining about Facebook, which is great because we've only seen about 10,000 of those kinds of articles in the last month. So in case you didn't get the point yet, the Boston Globe was there to clarify things and talk about how Facebook is terrible and evil and all of that. During the article, they decide to take a shot at the Daily Wire, which also is not a unique thing either. But here's what the article says. quoting now.
Starting point is 00:05:23 In response, we saw him, Zuckerberg, launch a repurpose news section that sets up partnerships between the networks and a wide range of publishers. And then in parentheses, including white supremacist adjacent alt-right outposts like the Daily Wire. Yes, white supremacist adjacent, alt-right outpost. Those are the two ways they describe the Daily Wire. Now, I have a couple of questions here. First of all, what the hell is white supremacist adjacent? What does that even mean?
Starting point is 00:05:55 White supremacist adjacent? Well, I'll tell you what it means. It means that they really wanted to just come out and call us white supremacists. That's what they really wanted to do. But they realized that they couldn't because Ben Shapiro is an Orthodox Jew. And calling an Orthodox Jew a white supremacist is a bridge that they love to cross, but they know they really can't. I mean, the media has crossed that bridge many times before. They've, many times.
Starting point is 00:06:25 But they end up getting blasted for it from all directions because it's not only stupid and wrong, but it's grotesque. So instead, they decide to pull their punch a little bit on this one, and they say, white supremacist adjacent. They take the cowards way out. And this way they can say, oh, no, no, no, no, we didn't call you a white supremacist. We just said that your white supremacist adjacent is all. Sure. Okay, Boston Globe. So this article was written by a guy named Michael and or Broder.
Starting point is 00:06:55 And what I would say about Michael and or Broder is, well, I would never call him a stupid lying disgraceful smear merchant. I would never say that. I just wouldn't. It wouldn't be right. It would be very Christian of me. So no, he's not a stupid lying disgraceful smear merchant. he's just stupid lying disgraceful, disgraceful smear merchant, adjacent, you see. He's adjacent to that. He hangs out in the vicinity
Starting point is 00:07:24 of being a lying moron. I'm not saying that he is. No, no, no. I wouldn't ever say that. I'm saying that he's, he just, you know, lying morons are right here, and he's kind of walking alongside them adjacent, you see.
Starting point is 00:07:39 And they, they, like, go to the same school, and a lot of times they end up wearing the same shirts. accidentally, and they hang out after class. But I'm not saying he's a lying moron. He's always so adjacent, very much adjacent with that group, is what I'm trying to say. And then there's the next part, which is calling us an alt-right outpost. Now, this is great, of course, because there is no conservative site on the entire internet that the alt-right hates more than the Daily Wire.
Starting point is 00:08:13 and if you don't believe me, you could just ask them or go to one of their corners, one of their dark and and grimy corners of the internet, and see what they have to say about the Daily Wire and the people who work for it. And there's also no person in the media who's been targeted by the All-Right more than Ben Shapiro.
Starting point is 00:08:35 The rest of us have also gotten it, not quite as bad as he has, but still we've gotten our share of that treatment. the alt-right has gone after me many times. I spent like three days on this show a few months ago screaming about one of them, which was probably not a great use of my time or yours, but the point is, you know,
Starting point is 00:08:55 we're not exactly unfriendly terms. And calling the Daily Wire of all websites alt-right, that's like, well, it's like calling an Orthodox Jew white supremacist or, excuse me, white supremacist adjacent. But this is the way it always goes. This is the tactic. Just throw a label at your opponents. If you don't like someone, if you don't agree with them, label them.
Starting point is 00:09:20 Doesn't matter if the label is true. Doesn't matter if it makes sense. Doesn't matter if it's coherent. It doesn't have to be any of those things. Just all you need is the label. And the problem with this strategy, one of the many problems, aside from the fact that it's dishonest and unethical and cowardly. all of that. One of the other significant problems is that what happens is the labels rapidly lose their meaning. Now, a term like white supremacist, look at what the media has done with a term
Starting point is 00:09:58 like white supremacist. That term does mean something, or at least it should. And there are actual white supremacists out there. I know because I have the hate mail from these people. I know that they're there. I don't know how many people, how many of them are. I think that they are a fringe group, I'm certain they're a fringe group, but they do exist. But when you call everybody a white supremacist, when that term comes to mean just, you know, people I don't like, then the label has lost its purpose and its meaning. And that becomes very difficult when it's, when it comes time to talk about actual white supremacist. See, when you call everyone a white supremacist,
Starting point is 00:10:45 then what are you going to say when you actually encounter a real white supremacist? Well, you're going to call them a white supremacist, but nobody knows anymore. So we're at a point now where if someone calls someone else a white supremacist, the rest of us that are hearing this, we have no idea what that means.
Starting point is 00:11:07 we should know what it means. You know, if you go and say such and such as a white supremacist, everyone that hears you should know, okay, well, I know what I need to know about that person. But we don't know anymore, okay? Now, it could mean that the person you're referring to is an actual racist who believes in the supremacy of the white race. So what a white supremacist is. And so you could be telling us that that's, you know,
Starting point is 00:11:36 that describes the person you're talking about. Or, but you could also simply be saying you don't like the person, even though the person has never said anything remotely racist, you just don't like them. And so this is what you're saying. And we don't know is the problem. Could go either way. Which, I don't think I have to spell this out, but what happens is it provides cover to actual racist and white supremacists. you have lumped them in with millions of people who are not racist and white supremacists. And so they're able to kind of hide.
Starting point is 00:12:22 You know, they become, you have turned them into a sort of needle in a haystack when it doesn't, it shouldn't be that way and it doesn't need to be that way. Now, it gets better because after people like myself and Ben and Michael pointed out all of this to the Boston Globe, they issued a correction the next day. and the correction says because of a reporting error, the large column in today's art section, which is printed in advance, mischaracterizes the conservative media outlet at the Daily Wire. Its founder,
Starting point is 00:12:56 Ben Shapiro has spoken out against the old right. The Globe regrets the error. Now, a couple of problems with this correction. First of all, it wasn't a reporting error. That makes it sound like, oh, it's silly us. We didn't mean to us. Sorry. Just kind of a typo.
Starting point is 00:13:13 No, that was a deliberate intentional lie and a smear. That's what that was. It wasn't a reporting error. It was a smear is what it was. And also, Ben Shapiro has spoken out against the All-Right. That way, way understates it. Ben Shapiro has dedicated much of his time to going after the All-Right, just like everyone else at the site has done as well. So it understates it. But the real problem is they say they regret the error, okay, what did they do about the article? Did they take it down? No. Well, did they at least delete the smear against the daily wire and take out that whole part? No, they didn't do that. Instead, they went back and they changed it. And instead of saying
Starting point is 00:14:00 white supremacist alt-right outpost, now it says routinely bigoted outpost. Of course, we're back to the same problem. They didn't provide any evidence of that. They didn't provide any examples of anything that any of us have said that's bigoted. They just throw it out there. But the thing that I like about this, and you can kind of laugh about it because no one takes the Boston Globe seriously anyway. But the thing that I like about it is you can see just how meaningless these labels are when they're used by the media. because we can see in real time as they're just cycling through one label after the other.
Starting point is 00:14:50 They put one label on and everyone says, oh, that's not right. And then the Boston Globe says, okay, well, we'll go with this one instead then. Yeah, no, that's not true. Okay, well, how about this one? They've got this carousel of slurs, this carousel of labels that they'll, you know, they're going to rotate. They're going to put one on you. It doesn't matter.
Starting point is 00:15:07 It doesn't matter if it's accurate or not. They're just going to put it there. You take issue with one. They'll just replace it with something else. It's like Madlibs. just absolute, an absolute joke is what it is. Okay, this was kind of funny, by the way. Here's a video from the Sanders campaign.
Starting point is 00:15:29 It's Alexandria Casano-Ca-Cortez talking about Bernie Sanders in very glowing terms. It wasn't until I heard of a man by the name of Bernie Sanders. To question and assert and recognize my... inherent value as a human being that deserves health care, housing, education, and a living wage. Now, okay, wait a second. You didn't think you had inherent value as a human being until you heard Bernie Sanders? Really?
Starting point is 00:16:17 That is the saddest thing I've ever heard. I really might start weeping over it. That's, I mean, I was at the gas station a few days ago, and I saw someone in the back of the gas station playing a slot machine video game. And I thought that was the saddest thing I'd ever seen until I saw this video, because this might actually beat it. Listen, if you're learning anything at all about life or yourself from a politician, that's a very bad sign. and it also makes me question your fitness for office. AOC is a member of Congress, but she only discovered that she's human
Starting point is 00:16:57 when she heard Bernie Sanders. Well, when was that? I think that's a fair question. Now, granted, Sanders has been in office since the first Continental Congress, so who knows when she first heard Bernie Sanders speak, but I'm wondering when it was that AOC had this Bernie-induced revelation.
Starting point is 00:17:17 I think we need to know that. Also, what did she think before she heard Bernie Sanders? Did she think that she had no value as a person? So she thought she had no value as a person. She turned on the TV, saw Bernie Sanders waving his hands wildly and screaming about millionaires and billionaires. And that's when she had this eureka moment and said, oh, wow, I think I do have value. That's very, very strange and very sad.
Starting point is 00:17:51 And it's also this cult of personality. I talk about all the time. This cult of personality around politicians. It's always sad and pathetic and un-American. And you don't just see it on the left. There's a cult of personality around Donald Trump. You've got a cult of personality around Bernie Sanders. There's a cult of personality around Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez herself.
Starting point is 00:18:15 So she's in the Bernie Sanders cult, but she's got her own sort of splinter cult going on. All of this is just way off base. Okay, politicians are politicians. They're not spiritual gurus. They're not prophets. They're also not rock stars that we should be fans of. They're politicians. They're representatives, supposedly, of the people.
Starting point is 00:18:40 They are supposedly our employees. They work for us. That's the way it's supposed to be. And I think we would do very well to keep that in mind with how we look at these people and talk about them. Okay, now, let's see, before I get to emails, I wanted to talk about this also. And I don't mean to pick on this person. I don't know who she is and it doesn't matter. The person is not the point.
Starting point is 00:19:07 It's just the sentiment that I wanted to talk about. So someone on Twitter posted something that I only saw because it was retweeted a bunch of times. And what the tweet says is, you all really want to get married. and have sex with the same person for the rest of your life? Question mark, question mark, question mark, all caps. And for some reason, this got like 10,000 likes people. It resonates. I'm just using this as a jumping off point because this is, well, there's a reason why it was a popular tweet that this is a very common objection that you hear all the time.
Starting point is 00:19:43 And anecdotally, it seems to me that it's an increasingly popular argument against marriage. Though, of course, it's not at all new, but this is something. people have been saying for a long time. So I've been thinking about this after I saw this tweet. And I wanted to say something to anyone in the audience who might share this point of view about marriage. You know, I don't want to have sex with the same person for the rest of my life, that kind of thing. A few things about that. First of all, yes, if you want to consider marriage in the most pessimistic possible way. If you want to take the most negative view of it that you could, you might say that marriage means being stuck with the same person forever, not just sexually,
Starting point is 00:20:31 but in all things, in life in general. Fine. Yeah, you could look at it that way if you want to. But what's the most pessimistic possible way of considering the alternative? Now, as a Dye in the will pessimist myself, I have no problem. I think it's a good idea before you make any particular big decision. You should think to yourself, what is the worst possible way that I could think of this thing? Maybe that's not the, maybe that's not the healthiest way to make life choices, but as a pessimist, that's what you do? It's sort of another way of putting it's like, what's the worst case scenario here? You have to at least consider that, right? Well, the alternative. What's the worst case scenario? What's the most negative view of that? Someone who's
Starting point is 00:21:21 concerned about having sex with the same person for the rest of their life. And so therefore avoids marriage. What's the negative view of that choice? Well, the negative view is that you're going to end up having a series of meaningless encounters with strangers who don't love you or care about you until eventually you get too old for that. And you don't have the same looks that you did when you were younger. And you're not desirable in the same way that you were before to strangers. And now all of your peers are spending their free time going to the playground with their grandchildren while you're alone and pitied by everyone who knows you. And then you die and there's no one to mourn you and you leave no legacy behind or even any trace that you ever existed at all. So I guess you have to decide
Starting point is 00:21:58 between those two options, which one sounds worse? And another thing. And I've noticed this. I was thinking about this morning. Because it's kind of kind of strange. When I talk to people who don't want to get married, the first thing they often say is something like this about how they don't want to have sex with the same person or they don't want to be stuck with the same person for their whole life and all that. And they're concerned about how tedious and boring and monotonous that will be. But then the next thing they say, or the second most common objection to marriage that I hear, is that after you get married, you never know how much the other person is going to change or in what way they might change. And so it's too much of a
Starting point is 00:22:47 risk to tie yourself to them. So you notice the paradox here, I'm sure. On one hand, they're worried that there won't be any change. And on the other hand, they're worried that there'll be too much change. On one hand, marriage is too safe and too boring. On the other hand, it's too much of a risk. So you see how those two things don't quite match up. Now, again, if you're committed to the pessimistic interpretation, you might say that, well, that's because marriage is the worst of both worlds. But I don't think that's true. I think that these two competing objections just speak to the fact that marriage is, first of all, dynamic and unpredictable and very human. You know, those two human beings involved in this thing.
Starting point is 00:23:35 And on the positive end, the point is that, yes, you're committing yourself to one person, but a person is a fascinating and compelling thing. I think a person is way more interesting than people. So when you're just out doing the random hookup thing, all you have are people. You have this kind of general, vague, collective mass, and you're working your way through the crowd. Everyone is faceless.
Starting point is 00:24:07 Everyone is basically nameless. You forget about them in two days. That's people. But in a marriage, you get a person, not people, you get a person, a real living, breathing, human person, somebody with a name and a face and a personality and hopes and dreams and goals and flaws and foibles and virtues and strengths and weaknesses and pet peeves and idiosyncrasies and all of it. You get all of that. And you're with that person as they grow and change and develop and maybe not all the changes are favorable from your point of view.
Starting point is 00:24:40 and obviously sometimes things will go horribly wrong and everything falls apart. But no matter what your life choice is, things can always go horribly wrong and fall apart. So, you know, that's no different. The goal, though, of marriage is to be with this person and to grow alongside them. And I think that that can be a very exciting thing. So where if you're looking for the pessimistic view, you say it's the worst of both worlds. Another way of looking at it is it's the best. best of both worlds, where you do get the change and the differences and the variety,
Starting point is 00:25:16 but you get it with one person. So at the same time, you get that commitment and the love and the experience of being really known by another human being, which I think is an experience that we all deeply need. I guess as human beings, we can never be completely known by anyone on earth because they can't read our minds. But in marriage, you can, you know, not just in a physical sense, but you can intimately know another person. And that's what you get from marriage, along with the variety of the fact that the person does change and grow and everything else.
Starting point is 00:26:01 And this is, I also say this about, I say this all the time when we talk about, should you get married younger or not? And, you know, I understand the logic of waiting until you're older and you're more established in life and all that kind of stuff. And if you're already a little bit older and you haven't gotten married yet, then that's fine. You could still get married and have a wonderful marriage. But if you are younger and you're trying to decide, I think there's a lot to be said for getting married younger because this is what I'm talking about. You grow and live alongside the other person where marriage, rather than being the capstone of adulthood, it's the same.
Starting point is 00:26:39 It's the cornerstone. It's the foundation. And you build from there. And you're with this person and you're both growing and maturing. So, you know, I got married when I was 25. My wife was 24. Obviously, when we got married, we didn't have kids. We were just, you know, as far as I'm concerned, we were basically kids ourselves.
Starting point is 00:27:00 So on one hand, I can say, yes, I've been married to the same person for eight years. But, you know, especially when you get married younger, it's, it, it, it, It technically is the same person, but we've changed so much through the process of growing and living that it's, that, you know, it kind of can be deceptive to put it that way. So just, just something to consider. I think marriage is great. Marriage and family. Maybe not, you know, not every life choice is for everybody. There are exceptions, of course.
Starting point is 00:27:37 and there are people who are called to different ways of living. But I think there are a lot of people who are called to marriage, but don't do it because they're afraid for these two reasons or other reasons as well. And I think that that's a big mistake. All right, going to emails, Matt Wall Show at gmail.com. Matt Walls Show at gmail.com. This is from Colin says, Future Supreme Overlord.
Starting point is 00:28:03 I am bothered by how soon Christmas commercials are being played, as soon as Halloween is over, the Christmas commercials start playing. Is it not more reasonable to begin commercials after Thanksgiving or December 1st? As dictator, will you enforce a limitation on when Christmas commercials can begin playing? Your humble servant and soon to be executed subject, come. No, in fact, if anything, I'll go the other way. And certainly, the harsh penalties will not go to the stores that play Christmas music early or people who put up Christmas lights early.
Starting point is 00:28:35 the harsh penalty goes to the people, the un-American joy-hating people who complain about that. I am a big believer in, look, I mean, if you want to start playing the Christmas music in July, go ahead. I don't even understand the complaint. You hear Christmas music when you're out shopping, and it's not December yet, and you get angry about it. Now, I get angry about a lot of things. I basically get angry professionally. It's basically my job. And even I can't figure out how to get angry about that.
Starting point is 00:29:09 I cannot figure out how to get angry when I hear Hark the Herald Angels sing. How could you get mad about that? I don't even understand it. So anytime I hear Christmas music, even as a Scrooge myself, it warms my heart. It warms my cold, dead heart. And I feel something approaching joy. And it doesn't matter what time a year it is. So I, you know what, just Colin, how dare you?
Starting point is 00:29:40 From Mark, this says, Hi, Matt, I can't stand all these people that rejoice over their extra hour of sleep. They obviously don't have young children. The end of daylight savings time means parents have an extra hour of parenting. Then to get your kids back on a normal schedule, you keep them up until their normal bedtime and the final hour is full of meltdowns. Once your rule commences, will you end daylight saving times and abolish all the gloating, well-rested jerks?
Starting point is 00:30:03 Thanks for the great show. Prayers for you and your family. Yes, this is something. And I had this experience every year. I think all parents do. And I had it on Saturday where I thought, oh, you know, it's daily savings times. I get an extra hour of sleep. And then you look around and see all the kids running around your house.
Starting point is 00:30:22 And you remember that, oh, yeah, I'm a parent. Never mind. All this means is that rather than my kids being up at 6 a.m., now they're going to be up at 5 a.m. That's all this means. Now, as dictator, of course, I, first of all, I can force people to get up with my kids and watch them. So that would be my first move. So I don't really have to worry about that as a dictator.
Starting point is 00:30:44 And I would certainly have people. You know, I would have people taking care of the kids in the morning and at night and overnight and during the day. And my job is just to pop in every once in a while, you know. That's real parenting for you. That's how you really parent. As far as daily savings time, you know, taking the parent issue aside, this is another thing. People complain about daily savings time, just like they complain about Christmas music too early. I don't, with the daily saving time, except for the parent complaint, which is a legitimate complaint.
Starting point is 00:31:15 Aside from that, I don't really understand the problem with it. I kind of like it. And in fact, the fact that it's so weird and pointless and arbitrary that we just arbitrarily pretend to move the time forward and back, I kind of like it. Imagine aliens landing on Earth sometime in the future and finding out about daylight savings time. And us trying to explain it to them. Where we say that, oh, yeah, it's just, you know, we pretend that the clock is we just, we move the, we move the time, time back and forth randomly just because. And they would have absolutely no idea the point of that or why we do it.
Starting point is 00:31:56 And we have no idea why we do it either. But we just do. And that's what I like about it. It's kind of quirky and weird. And it's just something we do. And I say, I'm a traditionalist. And I believe in, you know, just sticking with the tradition for no reason. That's why I like it. From David says, hello, Matt, hope all is well and that the new baby is doing great. Yesterday you were talking about the topic of criminalization of assisted suicide. I believe the government shouldn't criminalize it because that would allow them the option to remove freedom from people because the government deems it to be for the good. of the person, which then allows the government to also do it for other actions they don't want people doing because the government sees us as it not being for their good. That doesn't mean
Starting point is 00:32:40 I don't think doctors and others shouldn't try to help these people to go on living, but said help should not be forced on these people, nor should that remove their freedom. The government will always be able to justify any removal of right as being for the good of the person, so I side with people keeping their freedom, even if it's not for their own good. We shouldn't encourage suicidal people, but if they do decide they don't want to help, they don't want help, at that point they should be able to seek the end they want. Unfortunate as it is, if people decide so, that what worries me is the government deciding for them
Starting point is 00:33:12 and arbitrarily removing their rights in the process. Would you trust the government to know better for the person than the person for themselves, does for themselves, and allow the government to the power to remove the rights of the person as such? Well, first of all, Okay, a couple things here. As far as knowing, you know, knowing better for the, knowing what's best for the person or having a better idea of what's good for a person than they do themselves, you know, if you were walking down the road and you looked up and saw someone standing at the edge of a building, like they're about to jump, I'm sure you would shout to them and say, no, don't do it. And you would try to stop them, right? you would never say, oh, he probably knows what's best for him, and just keep walking. So in some situations, it actually is clear that someone doesn't know what's best for them, and they do need someone to step in and kind of force the issue, force them to do what's best for them.
Starting point is 00:34:16 It can never be best for you to jump off a building or to intentionally poison yourself. That could never be the best thing for you. How could it be? because you're abolishing yourself. You're getting rid of your. It's the end of yourself. How could ending yourself be the best for yourself? It doesn't even make any sense.
Starting point is 00:34:39 So, and I think on a, so now let's, you could say, well, that's, okay, but these are, I'm a free, I'm an individual person, and this is a, you know, I'm not an agent of the government. Okay, well, you see the person standing on the edge of the building. they're going to jump. Do you call the police? I think, because you're a decent, compassionate person, you call the police. I would. Well, the police are agents of the government. And what do you want the police to do? You want the police to stop them from jumping. If a police officer, in fact,
Starting point is 00:35:16 I saw, there was a video that was making the rounds online a few months ago that I happened to see of someone that was about to jump off a bridge. It might have been the Golden Gate Bridge. I don't know. Somebody was about to jump off a bridge and a police officer stopped his car, ran up, and grabbed the person at the last minute and dragged them back from the edge. And everyone is hailing this police officer as a hero for good reason. I think he is a hero. But would you say that that police officer did the wrong thing? You know, this was a person making a choice for themselves. Here was an agent of the state preventing them from making that choice.
Starting point is 00:35:57 The interesting thing to me is that it seems like almost everybody would agree that the police officer did the right thing. Yet many of those people who agree the police officer did the right thing still think that assisted suicide should be legal on the basis that the government shouldn't prevent people from killing themselves. So you see the disconnect there? If you think it would be cruel and negligent in the extreme for the police. officer just sit back and watch the guy jump, if you think that would be cruel and negligent, then how is it not also cruel and negligent for the government to not just allow people to kill themselves, but to legalize a method for which they can go through to kill themselves? I just, I don't see it.
Starting point is 00:36:50 It seems to me that if one, you know, if the state is right in the one hand, then they'd be right on the other hand, of making assisted suicide illegal. So that's the first thing. Second thing, with assisted suicide, we're talking about assisted suicide. We're not talking about someone just taking their own life, as the saying goes. You know, there are some states maybe where it's technically illegal to commit suicide, but of course the reality there is if someone succeeds in doing it, then the law was sort of a moot point.
Starting point is 00:37:33 And of course, if somebody really wants to commit suicide, if they really want to, there's nothing the state can do to stop them. Short of, if you know about it ahead of time and they're admitted into a psychiatric facility or something like that, then short of that, there's nothing that the state can do. but what we're talking about here is getting a third party involved. So it's not really a question of should a person have the right to kill themselves. It's should the third party have a right to help kill someone.
Starting point is 00:38:15 And to that, I would say no. So it's on two levels here. On one level, I do think the state has a role in preventing people from killing themselves. And as I already described, I think you probably agree, at least in some circumstances. And if you agree in some circumstances, then why not in every circumstance? But we can even put that argument to the side, because that's not even really what we're talking about here. We're talking about a third party coming in. And it just so happens to be a doctor.
Starting point is 00:38:47 It happens to be a representative of the medical community coming in and poisoning someone. So you don't even have to think of it as, does this individual have the right to kill themselves? The question is, does that doctor have the right to go and poison somebody? Whether they want it or not. And my thing is that they should not have, that third party should not have that right. It should be illegal for a doctor to intentionally and directly kill someone. And I think that should be the law. And I think that there's really no downside to that.
Starting point is 00:39:36 There's no downside to, I should say, there's no downside to a law that says it's illegal for a doctor to intentionally directly kill someone. I think there are a lot of downsides to opening that door and saying, well, maybe sometimes they can. And, you know, I don't think I need to describe where the slippery slope leads. And we're already seeing the slippery slope when doctors get into the business of killing. What is the slippery slope? If we just said doctors can't kill people, what's the slippery slope scenario for that?
Starting point is 00:40:13 What's the dystopian vision of a world where no doctors are killing people? I just see absolutely no downside to that. Whereas there is nothing but downside to the alternative. Okay, but thank you for the email and thanks everybody else for watching and listening. Godspeed.
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