The McShay Show - First-Round Pivot Points, Jordyn Tyson Stock Watch, and the McShay Mailbag

Episode Date: April 10, 2026

Welcome to The McShay Show! The guys open by discussing the Jordyn Tyson toughness discourse, and what it could mean for his draft stock. Then, they go through the biggest pivot points in the top 10 of the draft, including Washington at 7 and Kansas City at 9. To close, they answer mailbag questions from McShay Report subscribers. 0:00 Welcome to The McShay Show! 2:10 Evaluating Jordyn Tyson 16:55 Picks 5 and 9 are the pressure points 18:45 Which direction will the Giants go with the 5th pick? 36:45 Breaking down the Chiefs pick at 9 45:15 2026 NFL Draft All-Satellite Team 55:20 Rich: What's the cost to trade up into the top 10? 57:45 Keith: Expect GM to take outliers or play it safe? 1:04:15 Ben: Which teams could trade up? The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Host: Todd McShay Guest: Steve Muench Producers: Tucker Tashjian, Conor Nevins, and Daniel Comer Social: Abou Kamara Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You know, the more I look at this thing, the more I think the Giants at five and the chiefs at nine hold the keys to the entire first round of this draft. Plus, we got to get to the all satellite team. My favorite piece of the year. Guys that create in space. And finally, the mailbag is back. Questions. We got answers fired up to get to it. And we got less than two weeks until the NFL draft.

That's right. 13 days. Ment you good? I'm excited, man. Roll my favorite beat, tuck. Fielding a lot of calls, like just deep diving into this first round here. And it's, it's, there's some pressure points.

There's no question about it. There are absolutely some pressure points in this draft. I, hold on. I think we're starting. McShea. Yeah. I know we got a lot to get to. This is something I got on my mind that I think we should get to right away.

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A lot of chatter about Arizona Statewide receiver Jordan Tyson, and I wanted to get your take on what's going on, man. Yeah. Fair point. There's, there has been a lot of chatter. You know what's frustrating? What? Frustrating part for me is I feel like there's been a lot of incomplete conversations, okay? Okay. I think I hear people kind of insinuate. I hear people give some parts of the information. I think people give inaccurate accounts.

Yeah, sure. Let's do it. There's talk about, okay, Jordan Tyson as a player, fits the bill. He's got the height over. Six foot two. Phenomenal route runner. Great hands. Develop, you know, from last year to this year,

2024 to 2025, I should say, his ball skills and reliability increased significantly. There you see our, go see all of our scouting reports. We're about to drop on Monday. Top 150 scouting reports and a top 200 board, mensch. I'm fired up about that. But there you see, like over 200 pounds, over 6 foot two. Catches the ball.

Excellent route runner. Worked with Heinz Ward. But let's give context when we have these conversations, man. There's been questions, yes, about his toughness. And I'll get to that in a minute. And there's obvious concerns about the durability. But I feel like we just kind of gloss over some things and we have some insinuations.

And so let's look at the durability. Go back to 2022 at Colorado, right? He starts his career at Colorado. He's played four years in college football. Jordan Tyson has missed one out of every three games. Lazzangue sur-gillet, puissance-moyance-moyerned 15 minutes.

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Count it all. Okay. So in 2020, he played most of the season, but then he had that ACL, MCL, MCL tear to his knee, right?

Some people were just saying it was a bad injury, right? He transfers to Arizona State after that freshman season, and he, and he returned, he played just three.

games in that season in 2023 at Arizona State. So 2024 becomes this big breakout year and he was awesome, right? It was him and scataboo and all. They made the run and Sam Levitt as a freshman. They made the run to the college football

playoff. Unfortunately, again, injury bug hits. Right. He breaks his collarbone. So now we got the ACL, MCL, PCL, tear. and he misses all but three games in 2023. 2024 has an awesome year but breaks his collarbone before the CFP. And then this year he has a hamstring injury that he sits out the final two or three games, right?

So again, one out of every three games he has missed during a four-year career, if you count it all up. Now, these are not injuries that are toughness injuries. You can say, well, the hamstring was he? That's the one you could argue, but the other two, you cannot. And it may be a business decision and a disappointing year getting ready for the NFL life, right? But we're talking an ACL, PCL, MCL, Tair, and a collarbone break. Like, get out of here. Now, that's different.

Here's the question I ask with a lot of this stuff when it comes to, quote, unquote, toughness. What did I see on tape? Right. Here's what I saw. And I've alluded to this before. And I made the comp of Stefan Diggs back in December when we were talking about, December, maybe January. And I did because if you watch Stefan Diggs,

Stefan Diggs makes some tough catches and he'll take a pounding and hold on the ball at times, right? But if you also really study Stefan Diggs, it's unbelievable, like quickness in, not a break, separation, really good hands, all those things. But if you watch him after the catch sometimes, it's kind of plucked, Get a yard or two, get down. Right. Sideline.

I told you this back in, let's call it January. That's what I saw in Jordan Tyson. And you think, well, he's six foot two plus. He's over 200 pounds. And we're comparing him to smaller guys like Mackay Lemon. Brutely tough. Like hammer, nail, tough. Omar Cooper Jr.

In that same range, right? First round. kind of, let's call it, nine to pick 20, right? And so if you're looking for separators, and especially, Steve, especially if you're looking for a separator or a non-starter for teams like the Rams at 13, their guys got to be puka.

They got to be Devante. They got to block their asses off. They got to run after the catch with physicality. They got to break that first tackle, and then they got to go. the dolphins Slowick is there he's you know

Shanahan McVeyer Shanahan system all that they're looking for big bigger physical guys who like win with physicality all that he's not that okay he's not that now then you have scouts come out

and I've talked to people in the league obviously and yeah they don't like how he body catches some stuff when he could run run through the catch like physicality through the catch. They don't like what I saw on tape,

and I've been telling people about for three months now. That's out of bounds. There's a sideline. Next play. But like, you put them in the chief system. You put them in the Eagle system. You put them in some systems where, like, you're spreading things out. You put them in some, it doesn't matter as much.

It's not, that's not what they're asking for. So, here we are getting close to the draft. And there's, over-emphasizing for some prospects and what on what the scouts, anonymous scout said and all that stuff. Yeah, the timing is interesting, right? I mean, the timing is.

It is, but it's also true. It is, but it's true. And I also... So you don't like him as a blocker? I thought you liked him as a blocker. Am I wrong about that? Yeah, he was fine. He did his job.

He did his job, but, but, um, yeah. It's honestly, I'll say it's the after catch stuff. The after catch and the body catching in the quick game. Those are the two things that stood out. So I get it, but it's, but also, so it makes him one of the most polarizing players. And then you've got like from Bob McGinn to Jeremy Fowler to, I don't, I haven't

read the Bruegler stuff. He sometimes has scout quotes. And so now all of a sudden here we are in the process and the media is clamoring. And you got Schefter and you've got. And you've got Who am I? Breer obviously I don't think Breer said

No, Breer referenced it on a show Wednesday You got a lot of people coming out All these insiders, yes. All the insiders who are at the owner's meetings and who are gathering information and they're on the phone and so they're hearing this stuff and so now it's like it's going, it's like it's a wildfire, right?

It's so. it makes sense that he is one of the most polarizing players. Shreger, that's what I was thinking. Peter Shreger. I love Peter. Peter and I could. I just had a brain squeeze. But I saw Peter had him going nine overall to the Chiefs. A lot of people I talk to are like, yeah, mid, mid first round range, third best receiver, healthy, all that stuff, maybe he's second best.

You think he's the best receiver in the class. But you recognize, you know, Carnal Tate, but he's right there. with Tate. I think to Tate's he's closed the gap for me. But yeah, you're right. He's right there for me. So the talent tells you he belongs up in that upper echelon in this year's wide receiver class. But then there's some people, I swear to God,

Munch, I swear to you, who are like, I wouldn't touch him before, like, late first. And I'm cool if like I don't. So that's that. That's that. You asked. To me, that's got to be a durability thing, though, and I get that. I understand that. I have no beef with that. If you're looking at him

and saying the injury history, is too concerning for us. I don't, like, maybe I'm crazy. Maybe this is just me being, again, an older guy, but I don't think Heinz Ward lets a kid on like that on the field. If he thinks the kid's soft. If he thinks the kid, like,

people in the league are perplexed by that. You know what he mean? Because I thought the same, well, he's going to let him on the field because he's, he's good. He's damn good. Yeah. But here's what I do think.

And here, let's start with what I know. What I know is, as a scout, any good organization, and it's the vast majority, honestly at this point, it's pretty close to all organizations. There is a, you're evaluating for your team. And so what is gold to some people is bronze to others, right? And so for a team that's looking to spread things out and is not all that worried about physicality,

which we know there are plenty of in the league, they'd like to have it, but it's not a non-starter. Right. This guy's going to be higher on their board. So as a general manager, working in conjunction with the head coach and the offensive scheme, we're looking for certain things. Now, the Rams passed on Pooka and Kua four times like the rest of the league. Right.

I would love that. But we still have the video of McVeigh sitting in the room with our guy, Les, Sneed, and, like, this guy's going to fit what we're going to do. And he's like, right. So, to be honest with you, yeah, it's almost surprising they didn't take them earlier because it's so much of what they want. So a scout who is an anonymous source working for one of those teams that's looking for physicality for a Shanahan, McVeigh, K-O-C, lesser extent with him, quite honestly.

But Slowick now in Miami. Yep. If I'm a scout in that system, I'm like, yeah, he doesn't fit. But they're going to come out, and the quote's going to be, he's not toughness. He's not tough. Like, the question is toughness. So I'm not banging him, I'm not killing him, but I also want to recognize that's what it is. So, and I thought there's been a lot of tap dancing.

So I'm glad you asked the question. But that's what it is. He doesn't fit for some people. You'd love him to be a little bit tougher. We've been telling you this about him since about January. and teams have to make a decision. And so you see Schrager say he could go at number nine, and then you hear other reports,

like I wouldn't touch him until the 20s. And that's why we are where we are. Yeah, some pretty good wide receivers have gone in the 20s, too, by the way. But, yeah, I get it. I understand. I just think that, you know, calling a kids soft. If you really study it, there's a long list of guys who have gone in the 20s at wide receiver and actually have failed.

Sure. It's a higher percentage than you would. would think. In fact, there's a lot of like second rounders. You could argue, I don't know, I'd have to do a study, but 20 to 32 is kind of like there's a reason they got there. Second rounders for some reason. Well, it feels like Green Bay had a big role in that. Green Bay would just take a guy in Pittsburgh for a while. Yeah. Yeah. But certain teams knew what they were doing with those guys. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Does that answer your question? I think it does. I mean, I know you got a lot to get to, but, you know, I wanted to jump you

and see what you thought on that one because I'm glad. I'm glad you did. There's a lot of buzz about it and it's that time of year, right? We're going to hear all these things. I do think you make a good point and tell me if I'm wrong, I just want to clear it up a little bit. That stuff that's coming out now necessarily isn't stuff that, you know, people are just

popping. Just people are learning stuff now. I think that a lot of these insiders are now. Right? This is actually stuff that they are learning now. So it's not necessarily this isn't news to anyone in the league. In fact, most teams are, they're, they've come out of all those meetings, long since been out of these kind of meetings.

And now they're in like the fine-tuning meetings. I always talk about air traffic control. I'm a son of two Delta employees, right? I lived eight miles, 10 miles from the airport and lived in Boston for 20 years, watching planes get flown in. For some reason, it's a mentality. Early on, send all the planes in the air. We've got about 1,400 planes.

for us at least. And it narrows down. And all of a sudden, now we're trying to, like, figure out the schedule. But now we're like, okay, you're landing here, you're landing there, you're landing there. If you watch, if you've ever sat at an airport at night or near an airport, and you see, like, nine planes, and all of a sudden one comes out of nowhere. And it's like, air traffic control is, like, lining them up. And it's pretty wild to watch.

That's where we are in these meetings. And, like, I'm talking to three different GMs over the weekend. They don't want to talk during the week. they're busy. They're going through all these things. And the next weekend is the big one before we get on the plane to L.A. And we have my favorite show of the year, like what we're hearing show Sunday night from L.A. In the studio, brand new studios this year, by the way.

Nice. So the next two weekends, I'm going to be getting more and more talk, you know, just conversations about where these guys are. Right. But and there's a week in between with meetings. So, but, yeah, this is old news. to NFL teams, but it's new news to the media. But we touched on it.

Like, I don't, you know, I don't feel like we failed our audience. But, but that's, he is one of the more polarizing players in the league. And there's also some other guys that we've talked about, the outliers, right? Which I guess we can transition. Here's where I am with the, with the draft bench. And I know you've been grinding tape. And we wisely gave you Wednesday to dig in so that Breer and I, Breer and I, Breer and I were able to hold down the fort without you.

Wasn't the same without you, brother. But I know. I don't know about that. We got a late jump because of the site and everything else this year, and that's awesome. But you've been grinding away on it. So to catch you up to speed, I'm kind of at the point right now where I'm locked in

on the first two picks, obviously. Fernando Mendoza to the Raiders, David Bailey, number two, to the Jets. I feel good about, but I'm not like stamp it. It's not like Sharpie yet with Arvell Reese at three to the Cardinals, okay? Right. There's a voice in there that wants Jeremiah love. They've had a lot of problems with conversion players Arizona has,

or players with adversely. Tweeters or hybrids, right? Is it tweeter or hybrid? Hybrid is the best word. Yeah. Starting with like Isaiah Simpson. Yep. Simmons.

Sorry. Simmons. Clemson. Clemson. She's, I can't talk. Isaiah Simmons, the number eight overall pick to Arizona

out of Clemson. And so, yeah, they've had like three guys, I think, in the last, I don't know, eight years or something like that that have not worked out his first round picks.

Dan Buchanan was one of them. I'm forgetting the second one. Anyway, my point is, I'm not, I'm 80, 85% on that, and it's most likely, but maybe it's Arizona trading out. My point is, let's assume it goes Mendoza Bailey, Arvel Reese, Jeremiah loved to Tennessee at four.

Is that way you feel strongly about love to Tennessee? At this point, I'm not saying it's a lock. And if Arvill doesn't go three, I think that could change things. I don't hate it. But, yeah, I don't hate it either. I actually, I like it. a lot. Five is a wild card, man.

Here's why. Hit me. On one side, Steve, you've got John Harbaugh coming in. First draft, let's set a tone on what we're going to be. Right. Physical, like what we were in Baltimore, physical, great in the trenches, defensive front seven. But you also with Harbaugh, you've got a defense under Harbaugh.

Now, he wasn't a defensive coordinator, but they had McDonald and Minter and those guys that believed deeply in the value of that safety, right? Mm-hmm. Okay. Then you have the concept that you go back to the Ravens and the rich tradition and history, Ray Lewis and O'Quin Smith

and of those off-ball linebackers and their impact on the defense, right? Yeah. But then you think to yourself, man they like they got they took especially early on they took care of that offensive line it was a priority they would draft a center center linderbom in the first round they would draft a guard or like yonda they would you know what i mean like yeah they believe in and and being a bully and not just similar from the um from the afc north the nfc east like we got to be bullies in

December, January, right? So you got all that. And then I'm looking at it. I'm thinking to myself, if I know, go ahead. And your stud defensive tackle wants a trade. And I know the value's not there, but like you better start figuring that out too, man, because you needed

one coming in anyways. Now you might need two. So there's that little wrinkle. But that's going to have to be a round two problem and and honestly I'm trading either a first or two two second like a second this year second next year something like that if

that winds up happening so that right that to me isn't part of the problem five the challenge at number five but I hear you oh and by the way we got a young quarterback and neighbors is coming back but like we don't love our receiver core after Malik we saw

so a bunch of names yep so what I'm doing now is I'm setting up this board and Harbaugh has always had a big play in it, but the understanding is that he's going to make this call, right? Joe Shane is going to, they're going to work a lockstep, but ultimately, and I'm looking at this, and I'm like, okay, top of our board,

Jeremiah Love, Arvel Reese, Mendoza, and Bailey are four of the top five players, just on our board. Yeah, and they're gone. And they're gone. So now I've got to stack this thing. If I'm just taking best player available, it so works out. The next three guys on our board, at least,

are Sonny Stiles, linebacker from Ohio State, Caleb Downs, which I recognize, he's probably not going before pick 10, okay? Yeah. But we just talked to Breer, and Breer's like,

don't rule out downs at 5. I definitely, my radar picked up on that, man. Right? Yeah, he made a couple interesting points. That was one of them. But as I said to him, too, he's an Ohio state guy.

And then the third player on our, Our board, by the way, not lost on me as I'm talking to Breer. All three of these guys are Ohio State guys, so pick which one you love them up. I think you're going to give them at it. Yeah. Carnel Tate, wide receiver from Ohio State. And you go down to 11 on my board right now. I don't know quite how high and we're going to consolidate as we put out our final board the week of the draft. Francis Maui Noah.

So why do I say the Giants hold the key? And Shrager comes out and says Maui Noah should be, I think I'm here in Maui Noah could be the pick at five. And a lot of other people are now saying Maui Noah could be at five. That surprises me. But part of that was, part of that was Steve, for a while everyone was assuming number, it was going to go Reese to Maui Noah three to Arizona. So now he's available. I think the vast majority of people, not everyone would agree that Maui Noah is the best offensive lineman in this class or will be the first offensive lineman taken. That's a lot to unpack.

Yeah. I'm sitting here now and I'm thinking to myself, Sunny Styles is number two on my board, but my board doesn't matter at all with what the Giants are going to do. And like when I separate church from state when I go to sit down to do a mock draft, I love that fit. The Giants want that guy. I love Downs fit.

Giants want that guy. We know about the defensive history with that. I love getting Carnell Tate there. another receiver for your young quarterback. And I love, even though you just sign... Illuminaur. Thank you. Yeah.

That's why it doesn't make sense. But he can kick the guard or Maui Noah can kick the guard. And now we're building the fucking wall, man. Now we're like, the giants are here. We're the NFC East Ravens from like the late, from the early 2000s. Like where you're going to stomp your teeth in. right yeah or or most recently with Derek Henry

and we're gonna so but here's why it's important to me beyond the obvious of who are they going to take what's Harbaugh's first pick and a bit here's why it's important to me this run on tackles is gonna we just talked about like a brush fire

this run on tackles is going to happen fast and why the chiefs at nine and the giants at five are so intrigued to me is when does it start? Right. Because if it starts at five, and if the chief take Fano, which some people think they could at nine, although Breer thinks it's Kenyon Sadiq, Schrager thinks it's Jordan Tyson.

And this time of year, I know Brett Beech. I worked with the chiefs. I got paychecks from the chief. Like, I, you don't know. If you think you know, you probably don't know right now. Okay. So they're an absolute wild card. I love the Sadiq pick, but go ahead.

I do too. But I get the Tyson pick, but not if Tate's on the board as Shager had. So why do they hold the key? Because all of a sudden, if it goes Stiles 5, now Cleveland could be the offensive tackle team as well. They could. Or they could go Cardinal Tate at six. But even if Mewanoa goes to Kornowah, Cleveland, and they reshuffle things there, which I've heard that they could possibly do.

But if it goes past catcher at nine, now all of a sudden we're sitting with a board with six offensive tackles at pick 11. And guess what? He's not going 11 to Miami. None of the tackles are going to 11 to Miami. Not going to Dallas. That's going to be cornerbacks and Caleb Downs. I think he's going to know if a cornerback is still available, Bengals take one, dolphins take one,

Cowboys take one. None of those three teams are going offense. The Saints could take one, maybe. I think the Saints are taking either Edge Rubin Bain or cornerback, Monsour Delane. Not a question for corner. And I know people are saying McCoy now,

I want you to understand that defensive scheme with Staley, Brandon Staley, is like the number one, if you were to put him on the board and talk me through your defense, there's two things in his defense that he didn't have necessarily the personnel for it

and he's seeking. One is fast, they can be undersized, but fast edge rushers. He had that in San Diego. So that's part of it. And they don't have those guys now. Ruben Bain's not necessarily that guy. That's why I hesitate there. The other thing is I want a corner whose IQ match receivers.

can play man, can play zone. I told you after two games watching Delane. One game, I forget it was Clemson or the next game. He was almost exclusively in man. The next game, he's almost exclusively in zone. And he's awesome at both. Yeah. I think the best trade about him was his brain.

Like the first thing we said to each other. I don't know the last time we talked about a corner like that. We're like, we both love this guy. Like, what do you think is the best thing about him? It's his brain. I mean, he's the smartest dude on the field. So, so you, so. So anyway, so it could go corner there or edge there.

Then you get to, if the chiefs go, if the chiefs go with a wide receiver or a tight end, and the Bengals aren't taking offensive line, the dolphins aren't, the cowboys aren't, and the Rams aren't. So now we get down to the Ravens, and we could have six offensive tackles plus Vega, Juane from Penn State,

the top offensive guard still on the board. But I don't think it's going to happen. So my question to you is, I know what you would do. No, I actually don't. What would you do with the Giants at 5 if you were the GM and you had control of this over Harba? Man, it is. I'm like, this is the classic sports radio response and I'm just going to get it out of the way. I would definitely entertain trading back because I think you have a lot of picks.

Let's not play that game, though. Let's say we're going to have to stick a pick here. You know what I mean? I'm like that sports hub caller. It's like, well, it's straight out of the pick. The Giants, to your point, the Giants only have seven picks in this draft. They pick it five, they pick at 37. They don't have a third round pick.

But go on. I'm going to curveball you right out of the gate. If I am going offensive line, I'm taking Vega, Iowna, I want to, Penn State over Maui Noah. I think Maui Noah is going to play tackle. And you're going to fire. Because I make that pick. I mean, you're not getting fired.

But what if it turns out in camp that, Um, Illumino, let me just finish. Let me finish my point. Okay. I don't, I understand what you're saying

in terms of value and I should have led with that. I understand not taking that player at that early. So I should, I should lead with that. But this is my point of why I'm not taking Maui Noah there. Because you're taking a guard. If you're taking him there, you're taking a guard.

You expect him to play next to Illuminaur. And I, I mean, that's my belief. I think Illumor had a really good season last year. And the, and the fact that, they resign them, they expect him to play tackle.

So if you're going to get a guard, it's not there. And I like Iowaana is the best guard. I think Maui No is going to play tackle. I think he's going to be a damn good right tackle in the league. So I'm taking that off the board. That's why I don't think offensive line makes sense to me. Sunny Stiles, I mean, I get it with the hardball fit, and it's super tempting because the value and he's a unique player.

But I can't believe I'm going to say this. I think I would go wide receiver, even though I believe that you build in the trenches and you start inside out and all of that stuff, I think you would go. You're the one banging on me for putting a receiver in the top five. I don't even know you. I understand.

I let you off one day of one day of a show. But you change all your principles. I would love, I would take, they're not going to take an edge. You know, like, what, who, it's kind of a, this is why it's a fascinating pressure point in the draft. This is, this is what we're going through. You could consider an edge here, but they're not going to do that. They're not going to take one. You could consider Mansour Delane or McCoy here, to be quite honest.

I do. I, that's, that is a very interesting thing to bring up because I think one of the corners, and it feels like based on what Bert was saying the other day, it feels like they're picking up steam, man, and they should be. So that's an interesting. I would argue they're like their their needs are at honestly, interior defensive line, wide receiver, corner, then linebacker, then offensive tackle. Yeah.

Even though I, I've put them differently on our needs sheet because, because quite honestly, I think they're going to go in a different direction. and it's about draft needs. But if you're just looking at this from a personnel standpoint, it's interior defensive line, which we're going to deal in the second round, deal within the second round, and it's wide receiver and cornerback in some order like that,

then it's linebacker, safety, offensive tackle. Those are the six needs that I would look at, you know? I understand. I don't think offensive tackles need for them. I don't know that John views it the same way. I think guards a need. I don't think offensive tackles a need for them. That's why that's why that's why that,

pick doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Sunny Stiles value, yes. Caleb Downs, no. It's too early. It's just too early for a safety that, you know, we're looking at the safety's head in Baltimore, and I understand that, and they love talented safeties. I mean, Kyle Hampton and Malachi Starks, I get all of that.

I just think it's too early for a guy like Caleb Downs. And really, you convince me of this early on, who doesn't have that elite physical trait. So we got a knockout safety. Are you going to take an off-ball linebacker? Who's just this absolute stud? You would? but but but that's not shared there are some people in the league that don't like they recognize the

physicality improved from 24 to 25 but if you're going to take that guy he better be an absolute ass kicker and he's not there yet and you know like so i get it i yeah i don't i don't hate that pick this is again they're that i don't hate that pick you're asking me what i would do and i think it's a really tough spot and i would probably take carnell tate the wide receiver from my house state because you have, you do have a young quarterback. I think the league neighbors, now you have two legitimate receivers on the outside. I look at their receiving court.

It's not what I would do, but I don't hate it. I don't hate it. I really don't. So you're taking Seils, I'm taking Tate. Yeah. Neither one of us is taking the offensive lineman. No, but I, but I, no. But I also was not John Harbaugh.

No, I just wanted, like, let's have a real conversation. I wasn't John Harbaugh, who parted ways with Baltimore, had a little bit of time, evaluated all the opening jobs, looked at it, studied the tape, I'm sure incessantly,

saw things he liked and things he didn't like, and maybe he looked at that tape and said, you know what? Yeah, it looks like we've got our starting five offensive linemen. It's not to my standard. And so if that's the deal, and no one else,

maybe two or three other people in the world, know definitively that, that and those people who are close enough to John are certainly not going to breach that trust and talk to Shreggs or Shephti or Breer, you know, they, that could be, they could easily go that direction.

Yeah, well, let's play the game. Would you rather have Carnell Tate and possibly an Emanuel Pregnan or a Keelon Rutledge at Offensive Guard in the second round? I know they need a defense tackle to just scare me out. Or would you, you rather take Maui Noah and possibly play him at guard and then you're getting a what are you

looking at a receiver in the in the second round maybe a Denzel Boston maybe a Casey Concepcion which one would you rather have honestly I feel like you're just you're going to needle me on this one go ahead no no my point is this my quarterback is going to get banged up because the way he plays right my running back is going to get banged up and i like i i'm scared to death about scataboo if i'm just being honest if we're having a real conversation you and me that's fair right now if john called me and was like hey what do you think i'd be like i'm scared to death that scadigoo scadaboo's gonna be able to stay healthy i'd draft another one in the fifth this year because tyrone tracy isn't enough right he's a nice three jackson has got to learn

to protect himself from himself, and I don't know that that happens overnight. But let's certainly not allow unnecessary hits on him that he's going to create enough hits on his own. We got to be able to protect this guy, like really protective. And part of protecting him is we better line up and we better run the fucking ball down people's throats. That's my mentality. So what I haven't done is sat here and studied every like coach copy tape on the giants. I know their personnel. We evaluated all of them coming out.

I've watched enough of the giants. I've got all of the reports I need. But I also, if I'm sitting in that seat, I'm, I'm on as I'm thinking long and hard about Maui Noah there because the only way we take this to another level is if Jackson darts the guy. And if I can't protect him and keep him. healthy and on the field and part of that is running the football with great success, then what are we doing? Then we're going to be right back in that quarterback mix next year,

or maybe it's too late in 2028. So, well, the draft guy in me is looking at my value board and saying, I'm taking Sonny Stiles. If I'm not convinced in my conversations with, John, talk to me about where you are with the offensive line. Get the offensive line coach on right now. Are we convinced? And if we are, if we feel really good about it,

then that I'm taking Sunny Stiles. Okay. But I also, like, I'm not mad if we wind up taking, I'm not mad if we take Carnell Tate. I'm not even that mad if we're taking, take Caleb Downs, but he would actually be fourth on my list. I agree. I'm with you. I have Tate over Stiles, but I don't mind if they take Stiles.

I think Downs is the fourth on the list. So now we get to Kansas City at nine. Here we go. And it's not going to be Maui, If anything I've heard, it's Fano, if they take an offensive tackle, which I don't think would be the worst idea in the world. Because you got a quarterback coming off of ACL. And like, is it ACL or Achilles?

What's wrong with me today? It's a Friday and I've had my face buried too much. I thought it was ACL. Yeah, okay. So, yeah, it's ACL. And so we got to protect Patrick and we've got to make sure that we're good with the offensive line. Again, but if we're comfortable with it and who knows better than Andy

Reed and Andy Reed and Brett Veach make their lockstep. This is a sure. We don't draft this high. Andy, we don't draft this high. I know you love offensive linemen. I know you love trench guys. I know that's your roots. We don't draft this side.

We don't, we, we've been picking 32, 31, 29, 28. Yep. And we get another one in 30. Let's get a Cornell date. Apparently they, it might be Jordan Tyson. According to Schrager, it could be Jordan Tyson over. over Tate and Trigger's as dialed as anyone in the business. Did Trigger have Tate going after?

Trigger had Cornell Tate going to Miami at 11. No way. Dude, that's a bigger story. That's what I'm saying. I assume Tate was off the board. I honestly thought that's why you started with the Jordan Tyson thing because all this negative news is coming. Simultaneously, all this negative news about Jordan Tyson.

I know you've been buried in Tate trying to finish up our top 150 evaluations. as you should be. But all this information is coming out about Tyson's not tough. He's body catching over the traffic, tiptoeing out of bounds, injuries, all that stuff. But simultaneously, Schroger comes racing in off the top rope. And it's like, oh, yeah? KC don't care. I love that.

And he makes a good point that Kansas City, they will zag every time you go to Zig. Yep. And so that's why this whole Tyson thing, has been fascinating. Because what is, yeah, what is bronze to the Rams and to the Niners and to Miami into some other organizations

that are in that offensive scheme is gold to the chiefs. And so whether it's, so whether it's Tyson or it's Tate, who I don't think gets there, I told you, I think styles and Tate go really high, but now I'm studying it, like maybe it's not top five,

maybe, and it's certainly not top five. Maybe it's, maybe it's top six. Could easily be top six of an offensive tackle. And here's the other thing. I'm just bouncing. It's a Friday. Who cares?

How high are we on these offensive tackles? Truly. Because Maui Noah is really good, but he's a right tackle. Maybe a guard. I think he's the right tackle, but he might be a guard. I do too. I do too. It's not Joe Alt.

But then again, like we saw a guy, guys, what did the Jets took? Membu, what was seven last year? I think it was a little later than that. I think it was like 10 or 11. Is that wrong? Banks went nine. Banks went eight. Oh no, might have it was seven. I think it was

seven. You're right. I think it was seven. Yep. You're right. So so there's that. And Campbell went four. And Campbell had short arms. Yeah. Don't bring that up. I am in a Unless the general manager sitting in the room

And mental lead with it I just want to get his take And he was awesome about it If you haven't, he was Go back on Netflix Go back on Netflix or Spotify And go back to that or Apple And we appreciate everyone watching and listening

Go back and watch that episode And Mench and I are for We got in late the night before Mention especially late Because the weather coming into the combine And we didn't have a chance to talk and talk about We don't really We don't do like a pre-show meeting

Where we're going to break down I'll ask this question, you ask that. But generally, we'll try to, and Mench just comes haymakering in. Haymakers in. The first question off the board, we get the Patriots general manager sitting right there. Son of Ron Wolf. I'm talking about watching tape in Green Bay, Lambo Field

on these 10-year-old. Royalty. And you're like, huh, Campbell's got short arms. I knew it in the pre-draft. And I saw it on tape. It was actually worse. I think the first thing I said to him was, thought that was too early to take Will Campbell and then we got into it after that.

If you, first of all, the, and Elliot Wolf was awesome. And honestly, the first time I've actually sat down and had real conversation with him and like so much. He could have really related, highly intelligent. And he can, he could have. It just was a really easy conversation with someone who just very clearly has been around this game his whole entire life. But if you're looking for the laughs, go go watch the first like 10 minutes of the interview we had from the combine.

Anyway, I don't. So my point is on this, where are we on these offensive tackles? Because I know that I know. Let's look at me in the eyes right now, Steve. Look at me. Yep. I promise you, there isn't a single person in the NFL who is giving a true grade who says that Maui Noah's grade, regardless of position or what we need,

is higher than that of Jeremiah Love. Nope. Bailey, Reese, Stiles, probably even downs, but I get it with the safety stuff, and probably Carnell Tate, but certainly those four guys. And I've got him at 11,

and honestly, how can you look at those two corners and say he's definitively better? But the offensive tackles, just like quarterbacks, get bumped up every year, because the shelf falls, off like Niagara Falls.

Picture Niagara Falls. Mensch drove us through Niagara Falls one year. I fell asleep in America. I fell asleep in America. Driving from training camps, circa 2002. I've taken nap for the first time on like 20 days on a road trip going to training camps.

I fall asleep in America. Give Mench the keys to the wheel. We wind up in Canada. But that's another story for another day that we would be repeating anyway. But Niagara Falls. after Max Ionachor from Arizona State

if he's your seventh offensive tackle on the board it is a massive drop-off. And we're talking about guys that we project as backups like developmental, all that stuff. So they're going to get bumped up. So if you don't get one in the first, you ain't getting one.

So now that begs the question of do we just take one here if we're the Giants and we pick again and we pick again. We pick again one more time. at 37, as I said. And if we're six, Cleveland, we pick again at 24. But what happens if that run starts?

What happens if that runs? That's why I say the Giants hold the keys to a certain degree. If Maui Noah goes five, and I'm like, Tate, Fano, Fano, Tate, Andrew Barry, the GM. I'm like, that run started early. If we don't get, I don't know that Lomu or Ian Notchor, I don't know, they're going to even be there at 24. Yeah, I mean, you're dead on with this whole situation. I mean, there is a lot of, a lot of stuff up there. And I will say that's where the giant situation with the defensive tackle does come into play, though.

If they think they need to get one in the second round, now they can't mess around with that first pick because now you want a receiver, now you might not be getting one until your third pick. It's just, there's a lot going on there with like how much pressure is on that first pick, as there is always. But still, like, it's a, it's a. tough situation to be in. Yeah. Because they'd love, I think they would love that if a Mason Graham was there or a stud defensive

tackle, this would be, just pencil it in, you'd be, you know, put it in pen, you'd be ready to go. Yeah, we would have the first five picks feeling pretty good about them. All right, let's move on. It's just, it's been driving me crazy and I want to share it and I don't know, I had fun doing it.

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Man, you love Gibbs. I go through like seven. Oh, I love Gibbs. You love Gibbs. I go through like seven guys that are on this year's all satellite team. But there's always a winner. And so I'm going to talk you through the winner. You talk me through one other guy you like on in the list on the team or not on the team.

guys, all satellite team is guys that make something happen in space. They're the best in space, right? I don't want to give too much away, but if you want to get the whole thing, it's a fun breakdown every year. And by the way, a lot of these guys go on to outplay their draft stock

because of this single ability. Zachariah Branch. Zach Branch, man, I don't care that he's 5'8 and nothing. I don't care that he's 177. and nothing. I don't care he's got nothing north of 30-inch arms, and I don't care he's got nothing north of nine-inch hands.

Calm down. He's my favorite player to watch on tape this year. It's why I get pissed whenever he was a gimmick. Fine, I'll take that gimmick. Give me that gimmick in the third round, and let's rock and roll. Here's the deal with him, right? It's this blinding combination of stop-start and then lateral. and then you got to have all those things.

You got to go and then you've got to go and then you've got to be able to he's got all three. And like what was his workout? He ran a four three-sum. He was a 10-3-300-meter guy out of high school, Bishop Gorman High School. If you study high school recruiting, it's like a hotbed Las Vegas, right? Ran a four-three-five, which was the sixth fastest of all the wide receivers. His 10 split was tied for fourth. It's a 1-5-0.

So he gets to boil in a flash, and he keeps it at boil. On the field. 40 career explosives on 159 catches. That means a quarter of his catches. That's crazy. I didn't know. That's a crazy number.

Just like Jordan Tyson's going to miss one out of every three games, one out of every four catches is going for 15 plus yards. Kemp station out for no reason. Oh, and by the last, way you want to hand him the ball that motherfucker had six missed tackles force and four explosives on 14 career rushes he is so blinding he is so explosive listen i get it he's undersized and i get it like you can i they hey a freshman hey kid go return a kick 96 yards touchdown USC so i just i love them i'm higher on them than most uh i love them i love

too. I just worry about the frame. That's it. You know, I mean, we're... But this is a different conversation. But have you looked at him? He's a thick, dude. Yeah. Yeah. I can't wait for him to prove people wrong in the league. I really can't. I honestly,

I can make an argument. He's the six best receiver in this draft. I could make an argument. I get laughed at by a lot of people, many in the league. I could make the argument that he... Yeah. I need Tucker to come up with a montage as if he doesn't have enough work. A montage.

of your favorite players to this is my favorite player to watch in the draft and there's about 53 of them. So I think that would be a fun video to watch. I'm from the Kuiper tree. Some people from the Shanahan tree. Some people are from the Reed tree. I'm from

the Kiper tree. I tried to make sure that not many things rubbed off on me, but that definitely rubbed off on me. But I'm sorry I get excited about this job we do. When I stop getting excited, I'm going to retire. Don't turn it. Who do you like, who do you like, Steve from this list?

Or is there somebody that I excluded? It's from your list. I'm taking Wake Forest running back to Mon Claiborne. And like he is, the tape is a roller coaster. And we'll talk about that in a minute. But the speed, the speed is fun, man. I mean, he ran the third fastest out of all the running backs. The third fastest 40.

And he shows. Look at his spider chart. I know. No vision. Agility. You like. power balance. I do too. I don't know that I'd give him a five,

but competitiveness. A five in vision? That's a little, we got to tweak that. But anyways, the speed is what jumps out right away. I mean, your vision is bad.

You get him like a three or four, three or vision or something like that. I can't even see. I got a, yeah. Well, anyways, the speed jumps out,

man. He is, does not mean much of crease, whether it's in the return game, whether it's as a runner, whether it's as a receiver after the catch, he is he he gets a crease he's gone and he is it's funny because i you would talk to me about his lateral agility and i didn't see it at first he can he does some things side to side they're

pretty impressive as well what i like about it is he doesn't have to go he doesn't have to make a violent cut every time when he's attacking his safety he'll use a jab step to get the guy off balance and then cut up the other way so he's not wasting a lot of energy or slowing down trying to make a guy miss but some of the stuff he does in the hole and behind the line of scrimmage is really impressive. Now, I will say this. There's a couple of things, okay? Hold on one thing.

Before, before you get to the, to the butts. Yep. His, his, his, his four, three, seven, was just third behind Mike Washington, who we've talked about was an absolute phenom, and Jeremiah love. Yep. You know what I loved about him on tape?

His body control, as a shorter back, to hug the corner when, because he's got the speed to get outside. Sometimes those guys have to kind of patter. He's got this body control to him as an outside runner. And he's just like this twitched-up slasher, right? Like, yeah.

I don't, I like his tape a lot, but recognize, as you're about to allude to, there are some, there's some things. It's just, it's whatever. But the first thing is,

you kind of, you had texted me and said, listen, there's some stuff about his character. that as Scouts of Express that you wanted to share with me, which was... Yeah, not non-starter things, not horrible, but just... Correct.

Yeah. So I'm watching the tape. It's one of the quotes with me. He can wear on some people. He's kind of up and down. He's a handful of them. He may have a hard time controlling his emotions. He gets, you know, he gets so competitive.

Yeah. May have a hard time controlling his emotions. And I'm watching the North Carolina tape and he drops a ball, picks up the ball, and grunk spikes it. I'm like, yeah, I could see that. I don't mean to laugh. But don't mean to laugh. But don't you love when things on tape?

Just like, okay, got it. He might have a little bit of an emotion control problem. Yeah, I could see that. Then he's got five, I think it had six fumbles. He had five fumbles as a runner. One fumble is a receiver. So he puts the ball on the ground. He is, he as a receiver makes it look easy.

He catches past us outside his frame all the time. He plucks, he runs. He catches things in stride. And he had eight drops last year. It was like, what are we doing? Like, a lot of it was focus drops. But what, like, the drops were, like, the drops were, mind-blowing to me because of how good he looked

catching the ball at other times. Yeah. But I will say this, man, that dude likes the pass block. He likes to pass block. He is a hundred and eighty-eight pounds and he will get his ass run over. I mean, he can not anger.

Crazy is just like everything else I talk about on the show. What's our greatest strength can be our fatal flaw too. But he is not afraid. You got to have a screw or two loose to one of five foot, what was he, five foot, five foot, five foot eleven, one eighty eight. You're hoping you get one of, you're, yeah, you're getting a chain is what you're hoping you get. That's the absolute ceiling, and that would be great because he's one of the best in the league.

But that being said, like, he will step up, he will cut the legs out from other guys. He will launch himself of people. Like, he's looking for people to hit. Like, I think he's going to be blown away by the past, bro. I think he average, like, 25 yards per kickoff return. Two kickoff return. Two touchdown. Yeah.

Two touches two, two, two, two, two, two, two, two, two, two, 23 and 24 combined. All right. We promised some questions, and we're going long. It's a Friday. But you know what? It's 13 days of the draft.

So people understand, I hope. Oh, and just a reminder. I always say Google, because I did that for so long. You don't have to anymore. It's the ringer.com slash McShay, and everything's there. The big board, the mock drafts, the newsletter, the show. Everything, it's a hub.

It's a hub. All right. You get some questions. So let's get to him, Mitch. You got them? All right. We got Rich. What do you think it would take for a team drafting in the mid-late teens to trade up for a player around 8 to 10?

For example, Bain or Fano. Also, do you think Bain or Fano drop out of the top 10? Thanks. And again, love the show. 8 to 10. That's 1,400, 1,300, 1350, 1,300 trade chart. Okay. If you're just going off of that.

And it is obviously, it's just, it depends on what you're trading up for. It depends on a given draft. and all that stuff. Mid-teens is like 250. No, no, 350. Yeah, like 300, 350 mid-teens. So if it's 1350 minus 300, you're looking at like 250, right?

250 to 300. What's that mean in English? Points. So I don't know, but what's that mean in like real world? What's a pick? In real world, it's a late second, early third. Okay. Or it's a late third and like a fifth.

That's a jumping off point of negotiation. And now it depends on what's available. You're coming up, or we know you're coming up for a quarterback, you know, we hold your hostage, all that stuff. Yeah, it would cost you a, you'd like to get away with that, like a mid third and a fifth. or something like that. But I don't know, but let's dive deeper into this.

Yeah. And it doesn't even matter for... Actually, you know what? I think, I think one of the other questions is on trade up, trade down. So go ahead. Moving on. I'll say really quickly, I do think Fano can fall out of the top ten.

Bain will see. I don't think he should. Fano makes more sense to me of a guy who could fall out of the top ten. Yeah, but it's unthinkable. Yes, but he could all, but I can, but there's two spots where it, where it's also pretty thinking about. We just talked about Kansas City.

Yeah. And Cleveland at six. So that one could start at five with the giants and go to Fano at nine. Right. It's going to be, it's a brush fire one of the kicks off. Five and six. And now all of a sudden we're like,

there's only, there's only five left. You know? Guys start sweating. All right. Keith wants to know, half of the first round prospects have real outlier traits or injury concerns. Come draft day,

do you see jams prioritizing prioritizing safer prospects like vanga Iowani, Dylan Thineman, or even a Jacob Rodriguez that could propel them up the board? First of all. Go ahead, yeah. I don't know.

Taking a guard or a safety or an off-ball linebacker isn't safe just from a positional approach. Second of all, I hope that we're not suggesting that Jacob Rodriguez is a first-round pick because he's missed a... I love the player, love the story, misses a lot of tackles. He is not in the conversation as a first round guy.

I think we can agree on that, right? He's a day two player. Yeah, shorter arms. By the way, he's going to be 23 and like seven months. He's going to be 24 early in his rookie year. So he's not an outlier, but there's certainly some things. But I also Mench have heard. Here's what I can tell you if you're asking this question.

And you are Keith, Keith, Keith. And we appreciate your question. and you're subscribing because it's the only way you can get questions in apparently. That's good business. Here's what I can tell you. There's 12 players. I said 11 the other day.

I'd go to 12 because McCoy is now firmly in that 12. There's 12 players from Jeremiah Love to Sunny Stiles to Arvel Reese to Mendoza to David Bailey. I'm just reading my board to Caleb Downs to Carnal Tate to Ruben Bain Jr. to the cornerbacks Monsour Delane and Jermad McCoy to Francis Maui Noah and to, in my

opinion, Venga, Yawane, but I don't think he would be one of those guys where you would say they're going in the top 11 or 12. He's not. Right. Those are the 11 guys. Okay. Now Spencer Fano

could very easily go in that, we just said to go six, could go nine. So after that, and the reason I bring that up, Baines included in that, and he's got an outlier. Fano's included on the exterior, on the perimeter, and he's an arm-length outlier. Both those guys are, right? So you've got that to sort through, but they're still going to go. Right.

I think worst case, we're talking 14 for Fon's. and Bain, I just don't even like I think it's going to be I honestly think it's going to be 8 to 10 he's got someone's going to he's going to find it someone

it's going to get figured out with him I feel like you know you can sit there and twist your brain about who it's going to be but someone is taking him in the top 10 now to me like the the Yuanay is we just believe in him we've got him ranked as high as McShay and

mensch do or somewhere similar and we're in the middle, middle late first round. Let's get our guy. And that could start at Baltimore at 14, if I'm being quite honest, okay? Yep. Thienaman, everyone's talking about

Minnesota. I think them in, I think EMW, Emmanuel McNeil Warren from Toledo. I think those guys are start in play at 18 with, with Minnesota. There are some other teams, though, that have some safety interest.

But there's no world. Let's say, like, there's no world. Chicago is the other one. Minnesota and Chicago in that division are eagerly looking for safety. Minnesota, more so than Chicago, because I think Chicago could surprise people to take an offensive tackle, but I honestly think edge and safety are the two positions where they look. But to me, like, yeah, the positional value trumps kind of the outlier stuff, right? But I do think it's going to be interesting late in the first.

If the tackles have run out and the edges we've hit that barrier where it's like, no, the rest of these guys are day two guys. There's a lot of names swirling around in the media right now. Because I promise you, NFL teams, they're looking at, they're looking at mocks to figure out how this thing could play out, almost like you watch game tape for a Saturday or a Sunday, college NFL. They're very open about it, yep. Every single one of them.

They all have, and they have simulators. They have like, they're analytic. people, all of that, and they do their own. But they're not talking about who's going to sneak into the late first. It's more like, what's the landscape looking like? But in the media, we're especially like the insiders and some people, we have conversations and it's like, well, some people are higher on this guy or that guy. And so that starts to leak.

And you start hearing names like your boy Keelan Rutledge is a possibility. I've heard Rodriguez as a possibility. your boy, Chris Johnson, who is kind of our boy, if I'm being honest, I've got him sitting, it's 35 overall. It won't be a big surprise. No, he's our guy. Got it. Even though it's 1A, 1B, I promise.

I will always defer to you on Chris Johnson because you yell at your poor daughter and you yell at your poor wife and anyone else who will listen, including Drew Fabianich from the Senior Bowl, about how much you love Chris Johnson. So there's a lot of names being thrown around that are, I don't know, safer? just good football players. Jacob Rodriguez, you know what he is. Even more so Chris Johnson. I mean, know what he is.

He may not, he ran in the 4-4s. He ran a 4-4, I think, which kind of surprised me a little bit. Yes. But you just know he's a damn good football player. Keelan Rutledge is not a great athlete, bro. I promise you he's not. But he's just a damn good, nasty football player. Those guys, those are the names you start to hear when you get down to like

picks 28, 29, 30, 31, 32 of who could sneak in late, you know? Yeah, the safe question comes, I think comes into play more within a position group. So you might value an offensive tackle who's safer over another offensive tackle. You're not going to take a guard because you feel like he's a safer guy over a tackle who might have some questions. You know what I mean? Yeah. You ready for the next one?

What else do you got? Yeah. Ben D. With multiple rumors coming out about teams wanting to trade down. in the top seven-ish, Arizona, Cleveland, Washington. Who are the realistic trade-up partners? Nobody wants to give up the 27-draft capital. There are no quarterbacks to trade-off for,

and the targets would be for non-premian positions, according to the applicable salaries, not me. Teams within striking distance, New Orleans, Kansas City, Dallas, the Rams. All right, New Orleans has eight picks, one in each of the first three rounds, and Mickey is always a threat to move up. I don't know. They've got multiple positions, though, when I look at them,

I think they'd like to sit still in a perfect world. Stick at eight. They've got eight picks overall. Stick at eight. They get a cornerback need. They need another receiver opposite Chris Olavet. To me, they're not in the business. They shouldn't be in the business of moving up from one guy.

They're not one guy away. You've got to get another receiver for Shuck. Right? their edges, their edges don't match what their defensive coordinator wants and they're old. They need a corner. They need a corner. I just said those three positions. Yeah.

So who are the other teams that you mentioned? Kansas City. Dallas, I think is interesting. Kansas City, yeah, could. They have nine picks. They've got three in the first three rounds. But I also feel like they're kind of resetting a little bit. I agree.

Another weapon. I think they need a tight end to back up in addition to a wide receiver. They need a tight end to start. start prepping, this is it for Kelsey. And quite honestly, Kelsey was good, he was productive, but like they need a difference maker that can,

Isaiah likely type situation, right? Early in his career, right? They need another offensive lineman, you would think, for depth and maybe to push for a starting job. They need an edge. Like those are, they've got four needs that I'd like to see Brett Veach sit back

in Andy Reed and attack. So I don't see them Here are the teams with the most picks Or the teams that like First of all Dallas has been rumored I think that's probably another team you mentioned Dallas has been a big rumor And I get it, it's Dallas

We've got to talk about the Cowboys And I even mentioned like I've heard some things That they might want to get aggressive You look at their 30 visits It's all those top guys And you're like come on Jerry They ain't last in the 12 so like there's there's got to be a reason they're looking

and they've made a lot of moves too where you could justify if they they absolutely love Bailey or Reese and they think Reese is going to be the next Micah you could justify it but I want to give you some reality check here unless you're giving away a pick next year

which is a mortal sin but they don't need a quarterback but it's still a mortal sin Dallas has eight picks overall. They don't have a second. So they've had the two in the first. Right. So you'd have to trade away a third this year and like a second next year.

And you don't pick again until the four. You don't pick again until Saturday. You know? Right. Miami has the most picks. 11. Seven in the first three rounds. Seven.

They need them. Yeah. Pittsburgh has 12 picks. Three of them. or in the third round. Five picks in the first three rounds, Pittsburgh does. If I'm reading that,

if my notes are correct. Yeah, one, two, three. Yeah, three in the third. 76, 85, and 99. That's a great spot for Pittsburgh. Khan, Andy Whittal, and the guys. Like, I think, and they,

I think they can significant, and one of those will be a quarterback, but not necessarily has to be, I think, whether it's a Carson Beck or a Nussmeyer or someone like there, or Cole Payton. Yeah, just go get another Will Howard. That makes sense.

Take hacks, bro. Take hacks. I hear you. You're not wrong. That's a cheap shot, but you know what I'm saying. But this is a problem. Long short, the teams that have a lot of picks kind of need them. And you could say Pittsburgh, maybe not, but that's not their DNA.

They're not making some splash pick to go up from 21 in the top 10 to get one player. They're just not. the teams that have a lot of picks need them. Yeah, I don't, I keep hearing everyone say, could the Rams trade, trade something? I don't even know what they have left yet, would they have left anymore to go get a Carnal Tate? The Rams, believe it or not, have a pick in each of the first three rounds,

13, 61, and 93. So, Lesto need them picks. He just, yeah. No, it doesn't. But, yeah, I don't know. We'll see. That would be, that would be such a great. Everyone is saying, though, there could be a lot of movement

when we get to a certain portion of the first round that things could get a little wacky. And I think it probably would be the edge rushers and the offensive tackles if it happens. It certainly is not going to be for any quarterbacks after. Unless in Arizona and the jets sitting there at 30, the jets are picking at 33. Arizona is picking at 34.

So if Arizona is nervous about the jets taking Ty Simpson, something like that. I could see them moving up to 20, no higher than 20, where's Houston? 28. Houston could be a tradeback team. That makes sense.

Houston's roster, by the way. Top to bottom, Nick Casario might have the best, obviously Seattle, obviously the Rams. He might top to bottom have the best roster in the AFC. In fact, he has the best roster in the AFC.

I just studied it. They are loaded. Offensive line. They're better. Yeah. They're better. That defense is insane. I mean, you just go through the defense is insane.

They don't have a true need. Like most of these teams I've got like in either or for the first two. Some team, Miami's got four. I put brackets around four the needs that are like massive, right? They don't have one. Offensive tackle, interior defensive line, they want a big cornerback. But they're not like, they can live.

They can line up and play tomorrow. If CJ just gets his shit straight, truly. All right. This is fun. It went way too long. Tucker and Dan are mad. Wrap it up. But it's good to have you back, man.

You're always missed. But I appreciate you're doing yeoman's work. And we're excited to drop a Monday. Big day. We got a monster week next week. It starts on Monday with the top one. 50 and top 150 evaluations and 200 rankings. That's a big one, man.

Yeah. It's our last one before our last one. And that's on the ringer.com slash McShay. Then on Wednesday, we've got mock 4.0. And you're doing a mock with me. I don't care what you say. I don't care. No, first mock ever.

I don't know why I'm... Thursday, we start our... What? I don't know why I'm getting heat for that. I don't know where that came from. But yeah, go ahead. It came from nowhere. You haven't pushed back at all.

And we start our position breakdowns, which will include a three-round mock in it. I've done a three-round mock since, like, before I had, like, hair under my pits, in my pits, on my pits, whatever. I haven't done a three-round mock since, like, I was climbing that ladder. Dan's going to stroke out if you don't wrap this. Wrap, five stars, Mitch. Thanks, man. Must be 21 plus and present in select states for Kansas in affiliation with Kansas Star Casino or 18 plus and present in D.C., Kentucky or Wyoming. Gambling problem? Call 1-800 gambler or 1-800-My-Hopler or 1-800-myset.

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