The McShay Show - John Mateer vs. Trinidad Chambliss: Making the Case for Smaller QBs

Episode Date: July 9, 2026

Welcome back to The McShay Show! Today, the guys are continuing their Building the Board series with Oklahoma QB John Mateer and Ole Miss QB Trinidad Chambliss. They talk through their strengths and weaknesses and share their way-too-early 2027 NFL draft grades for each prospect. (00:00) Welcome to The McShay Show!(03:26) Building the Board: Trinidad Chambliss vs. John Mateer(06:00) Takeaways from the tape(09:17) Trinidad Chambliss' biggest strengths(20:20) John Mateer's biggest strengths(31:15) Offseason development needs(42:39) How will their game translate to the NFL?(46:03) Head-to-head grades Make your rise with the MVP Bundle. Available now. The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit https://fanduel.com/playwithaplan to learn more about the resources and helplines. Host: Todd McShayGuest: Steve MuenchProducers: Tucker Tashjian, Conor Nevins, and Daniel ComerSocial: Abou Kamara Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Building the board, the 2027 quarterback class. Part 5 is today with John Mateer from Oklahoma, Trinidad Chambers from Ole Miss. Two undersized quarterbacks second year after transferring. A lot of similarities. Where are we on the tape? Just 294 days until the NFL draft. Good, Munch? I'm great, man.

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Yeah. No, it's cool. I'm not downplaying. I'm not being nonchalant, man, as a kid's say. However, what is cool is like Netflix hasn't always done this and like we love Netflix. We all love it. Right. So to see it there and then like have our, you know, the kids and,

and just different people across the country who maybe didn't know about our show and pops up on there. So that part is really, really cool. And I know we're all working hard and continue to try to grow this thing, right? The funny part is my printer is now working. And most people would just stop down

because we're taping this. I'm not going to. I want everyone to hear the, because I've been trying to print my notes for like 45 minutes. And now all of a sudden, we start the show and now the printer's going to work.

And I'm not going to get, up and go get it. I'm doing the show without the notes. Forget it. John Mateer, fascinating situation. Loved him in Washington State, an absolute wild man. Transverse to Oklahoma didn't go as planned last year. The thumb injury, well documented. We'll get into all of it. Now he's got another shot at this thing, a full season, healthy, adjusted arm angle, adjusted throwing motion. What are we going to get from him? Then Trinidad, Chambliss. These are two just fascinating stories. Both guys are around six feet.

Neither guys like the tallest quarterback, the biggest, but they're both thickly built. Metteer's a fullback in his lower body. Yes. Both mobile, both have some speed, both running threats, both just rip the frickin football, man. You want to watch some guys that have

no fear to rip it into a tight window. These are two guys, Trinidad Chambliss and John Matier. And Chambliss coming in from from Ferris State lightly recruited, lightly, 240-something-something ranked quarterback in the transfer portal. Wild. Lane Kiffins kind of got his choice of a bunch of them, but he also had a starter there, right?

And so with Austin Simmons, who winds up getting injured, Trinidad gets an opportunity. So while everyone wants to go play for Lane, most people, most quarterbacks would. they're also like if I transfer in I might want to be in Austin Simmons backup so it was a tricky spot so Lane had to handpick a guy that he thought would want this opportunity that could play outplay like

through the stratosphere what the ranking was by some you know some of these up-and-coming recruiting scouting services for the transfer portal right and he goes on to have the season that he does let's dive right into it because these two guys

are like we did arch versus Dante. We had like Julian saying versus Carr. Arch and Dante like who's number one? Say in Carr like these big time blue blood programs. We've got the athletes that the explosive players with Sorsby versus Sellers. This one's

intriguing because what's going to happen in year two at this stop? They both play the game with just no fear. Reckless abandoned, right? And I just love watching them both play the game. So when I throw to you mentioned say,

I know you just grinded the tape the last 48 hours for both of these guys. I know we watched a lot of them in season last year because of what Oklahoma and Ole Miss, respectively, we're doing in terms of the college football playoff race. But when you have free kind of free of mind, draft isn't impending, we don't have games each week, and you just sit down and watch the tape on both these guys. Give me your biggest takeaway. I'll kind of reiterate what you just said in that I love both of these players. I love watching them play.

I love how competitive they are. The tape was really fun to watch. I'll say that. But I am far more optimistic about one of them as an NFL prospect, and it was not the player I expected it to be going into this process. Really? That's a good hook, because as you started to say, I'm far more intrigued by one of them or interested in one of them.

I had one of them very clear in mind for me. And then you said, but it might not be the guy that you'd think. So I'm interested to see if it really is a curveball. Yeah. My biggest takeaway, you ready for this? It's kind of random and it's very specific. My biggest takeaway, man, and I said it several times during our pre-draft lead-up to the 2026 draft. that the best individual tape of any player in that class, in my opinion,

was Fernando Mendoza, Indiana's offense, specifically what Mendoza did in that Big Ten championship game against Ohio State. Right. And there's no need to do apples to apples comparison. But what I'm telling you right now is my biggest takeaway from watching both of these guys. And there were a lot of takeaways that we'll get to. But the number one thing that stood out to me is that Ole Miss versus Georgia game, that tape of Trinidad

Chambles, the playoff game. The playoff, sorry, the playoff game. Correct. This is now the ninth and tenth quarterbacks we've done in the building the board series, right? That's the best tape I've seen of any of these 10 quarterbacks. That one tape.

And it also was late in the season, and it was without Lane Kiffin, pulling the strings is the play caller. That tape made me go, huh. Hmm. because if this is the guy we're getting for 12 to 15, 16 games next year, something like that,

this thing could get real interesting, right? And then you look at scouting services and how high Chambliss is on some of those boards. We reached out to NFL scouts, and Chambliss was always in like the top five or six quarterbacks when they were texting us back before the way too early mock draft. Talk to some of the All-Star games. Chambliss is viewed, I think, a lot higher as an NFL prospect,

by some, then maybe the public would think. And then I go to the Manning Passing Academy, and this means 0% in the scouting evaluation. I was kind of stunned as we watched different reactions from all the high school campers and some of the adults there and the other side of the stands on the Friday night lights. The most beloved player of all those great quarterbacks

from across the country was Trinidad Chamblis. This guy's got a chance to have a pretty special year, is I guess what I'm getting to here. even without Lane Kiffin. So let's get into it, man. Strengths. Start with Mateer or Chambliss wherever you want to go. Well, I'll start with Chambliss,

and I'm going to repeat a couple of things you just said, but I just, I think it's worth putting it all together, okay? And the biggest strength for Chambliss, and it's a part of a big part of our show, is the onions. The onions on this kid to go from being a one-year starter at Division II Fair State. He was at Fair Estate, by the way.

But he, and he won a national championship there, but he only started for one year. It wasn't like he was this guy was letting on fire. It's important to say that at Ferris State, he redshirted and had to overcome a serious, like, respiratory illness. Yes. And that's the why. It's not like it kind of sucked and then came out of nowhere. He was dealing with something, man. And so when he got his shot, it's like, here he goes, national championship, right?

But to your point, it wasn't like three years starting at Ferris State. It was one year that Lane saw and plucked him. Correct. So he goes, now he ends up and he goes to Ole Miss and he's going to be the backup. So you wonder when you're in that situation, what's your mindset? Are you really ready to go if you get your call? If you get the call and he was ready. His third start, he leads LSU, I mean, Ole Miss to a win over LSU.

I mean, that's just a game that, you know, historically, Ole Miss isn't going to win that game. But he leads him to a win. then you go into Georgia, I think it's two or three weeks later. And we get the feeling of maybe, maybe there's some cracks here that are getting revealed. Remember in that game, Ole Miss got up? Oh, the fourth quarter was brutal. That fourth quarter was brutal. And it felt like it just fell apart at the end.

And maybe this is it. Well, guess what? Next week he goes into Oklahoma. They have a nine point lead at halftime. Oklahoma scores 17 points in the third quarter. Uh-oh. You're on the road. This is going to be a problem.

This is really where the wheels fall off. Nope. He settles everything down, has a big fourth quarter, leads Ole Miss to a win in that game. And then you just look at how the rest of the season unfolds. Lane Kiffin leaves at the beginning of the player off run, no problem. He played some of his best football in those three games. And you mentioned the Georgia game. That is not a game that you would think LSU would win.

Georgia doesn't lose those games. And you can't tell me the champ. No, Georgia doesn't lose those games. And Georgia did lose to Ole Miss. That's what I mean. Yeah. Georgia is that historic power. It's fine. Go ahead.

Okay. So Georgia doesn't... I'm just interrupting you and being a pain in the ass. That's all I'm doing. It's fine. It's fine. I get it. I'm on a roll.

They don't lose those games. He finds a way to win that game for them, right? Then you look at the Miami game. They lose that game. He is... The play that defines this young man, I think, is the go-ahead 24-yard touchdown with less than four minutes against Miami in the playoff game. And he sees Keont-D Scott.

This kid, who's not even six-stop... feet tall from fairest state wasn't going to start at the beginning of the year, sees Keontes Scott creeping up for the safety blitz and points at him, waves him on, says, all right, big boy, I know you're coming, come on, and then throws an absolute dime to his tight end for a 24-yard touchdown. And you can leave it at that if you wanted to because we know what happens next. Miami just rolls down the field and scores and they end up winning the game. Yeah, but they score with 18 seconds left. you might forget, you might forget,

did he gets him down to the 35-yard line and gives them a chance to win that game. It's clearly past interference, but no one, no one's going to call it. I get that. Two throws, two throws 40 yards, he leads him down the field, and they're absolute rockets.

Laser wins. Never out of it, man. With this kid, you feel like you're never out of it. Onions, onions, onions, onions. And by the way, you can even add to it. Oh, everyone's telling me, and I was with you, McShay, I'm not going to, I'm not being critical

of you. Everyone's telling me like, give up the fight. You're not going to get another year. Just give up the fight. Just go to the NFL. He's like, no. We got this. I'm going to get this. We're going to get that injunction. We're going to be able to go back. I'm going to bet on myself doing this. This is the right path for me. And I believe it's the right thing to do.

And he does it. And it is. It got scary because there was a moment there where it looked like he wasn't going to win the injunction and he had missed the senior bowl. He was going to miss the combine. And like, I was worried about him. And it was like, is he going to try to jump in late to this?

Right. So, so unsure, in fact, I got this information late. I was sent an original copy from an NFL team directly of the Combine and each position group. Prior to the, prior to the combine as an NFL team, you are sent by the, it's called NIS, the National Scouting Service, right? you're sent the list of each each position the players like it'll be qb1 qb2 all the way down to qb 15 let's say and it's all by alphabetical right guess who was in there and then scratched off because he had just

was trinidad champ was so so much so that the nfl just prior to the combine was like we're we're expected he's going to be here you know so anyway that whole his whole I hate the word journey in today's day and age. But his whole path, man. Yeah. Has been like a Disney movie, right? And like words like swagger and aura. I hate all of them.

They're all like, you could use them with this kid, though. I mean, he's just different. He has a level of confidence. And I wrote, yeah, he has a level of confidence. There were a couple moments where things started to fall apart. And you could see him be like, No. And you talked about the jury.

So let's get into his traits a little bit, right? Yeah. He is listed by one of the scouting services as 5117. So essentially six foot, but 511 and 7 eighths of an inch. So he is a quote unquote undersized quarterback. I mean, we've seen Russell Wilson. We've seen Bryce Young. We've seen a lot of guys right around that all the way back to Drew Breeze,

like right around that six foot range or shorter. Right. So it's not what it used to be. especially when you bring some mobility, movement in the pocket, fine passing windows, extend, get out, all that stuff. But he isn't the tallest quarterback, right? So that's not, it's not like a debilitating knock, but it's not a plus on his scouting report. He's listed like 208. I just saw him in person.

I'd be shocked if you put him on a scale right now if he's not 215. And I always say that because I like my shorter. Jaden Daniels, he isn't short, but he concerns me with the durability when you got that lean. linear frame, right? Just about durability long term. Same with Bryce Young. Okay. So he's thicker, right?

I like his build for whatever that's worth. It got him listed at 465. I actually think he's faster, but it seems like all these 40 times for whatever it's worth or a little conservative with quarterbacks. Here's what I appreciate him about him when we're talking about his strengths.

the obvious is and there's no two plays are more if you had if you're like mickshay give me two plays to show me what you're talking about i'd say all right go to go to the georgia game 1452 and then 1412 fourth quarter right and in terms of his ability to extend instincts creativity throwing on the run all that stuff uh though like the one remember he kind of he rolls out a little to the right he circles back to his left on the run, shows a little touch, throws it in there to his receiver, picks up the first down.

Then the next one is kind of rolling to his right and drills one. They were kind of legendary plays for him, right? But you see it throughout his tape. So he's got that element of creativity, extending some magic, right? As a passer, my gosh, man.

Like, he just fucking rips the football. He doesn't have a conscious. Guys like that scare me. They are deadly assassins. He does, like, he knows what he can't. Some guys, too, overestimate what they have in terms of ball A to B where I can get it. I don't see a lot of that. I see some misses. I see, and we'll get to some of his weaknesses. So let's focus on the strikes. But he fits the ball into some windows, drives it down the field. His deep ball accuracy, I want to touch on that

and the weaknesses too in a little bit. But the placement, even though the trajectory could change sometimes, some of the ways he placed like outside shoulder receiver still in bounds but leads him to catch and go out of bounds, safe away from the defender.

They're spectacular. Yeah, like you think about those NFL throws you have to make against tight man coverage. And he has the confidence and the ability to put it in front of the receiver where he can go to the ball where some other guys. Some of these college schemes, you see these receivers are wide open. You're not going to get as much of that in the NFL. And he's a guy who's going to, and some of it's his timing to me.

Some of it is, it's so, I love his release, by the way. Can I just say that? I know we're going to get into a problem with it in a minute. but his compact over the top, he can change his angle he needs to. So quick and sweet. Well, he's the modern day quarterback who, like, it doesn't matter six, six foot or six four. He very clearly, like, has worked with the right people, hip torque, short stride. Everything's compact.

Yep. It's, you know, it's like a firing range with this kid. Yeah. And when you do that, when you're, when you're, when you're, when you're, when you're, You know what I mean. When your brain is quick to react, you have that release and then you're accurate. You can throw into some really tight windows against zone looks. You can take advantage of the single coverage, even if a guy's right there.

Like, it's impressive, the release. The ball explodes off his hand. And it's from that hip, the hip torque that he generates. And like you said, yeah, it's this combination. I'm just going to reiterate what you just said. It's this combination of fast eyes decisiveness, confidence in what he's seeing, confidence, also in what he knows he can throw. And then it all is like, you know, it's like fat, it's out.

Yeah. It's just out. Good luck defending that. And energy, energy late. So those are all the positives. How about, how about Mathieu, his positives? I will go, I'll be kind of specific here. I think it's his power base.

And I think it's both as his ability to extend plays within the pocket. I mean, he can shake off guys who look like they have him deader rights and extend plays. I think also as a runner, he is a guy that in short yardage and goal line situations is someone you have to be aware of because of his ability to break tackles and push the pile in short yardage situations. He also as a runner is instinctive and he can make guys miss. So maybe it's his running ability. I would go more specifically about his power base. and without getting too much into the negatives right here, if he's able to unlock his footwork,

he might have, he might have the most energy on the ball as a passer in this class. Yeah, I'd be remiss if I didn't start with with John Matere and his strengths. Like, I want him in my foxhole, man. Yes. Oh, yeah. Both of these cats.

Like, you tell me we're going, like, we got to fight. the alley and unfortunately we're stuck in this situation and i can grab two of these guys i'm not saying over anybody else i'm just saying like you give me mater and you give me chambliss the way they compete like their undying effort their their inability to give up on something correct i mean you're no business playing in that texas game i mean no business after he he breaks his thumb against Auburn and misses Kent State the next week and then tries to come back against Texas.

There are some throws on that. That Texas tape is tough to watch because you see a human being who's just trying to do everything he can and his body's not reacting the way that he wants it to. And he's just gutting it out, trying to make plays. And it's really affected in the second half of the season, I would say. But he has

no business playing against Texas, but he wasn't going to miss it. He could not miss it. The things that Lane has said to me about and it had been publicly too, about Trinidad as a human confidence picking up things, football intelligence, and just like the love he had, still has, but you know what I mean? Like what, as his head coach. And then talking specifically to Nagy about, um, about Mateer, about Mateer and who he is as a human and what he believes in and the

team first and just the toughness that you see on tape, but we're not in the building. Like, both these guys have have the makeup that you're dying to get in your quarterback, right? Any position, quite frankly, but especially at that position. I think Mateer shows fast eyes at times. I think, you know, working with Arbuckle, his offensive coordinator, who came with him from Washington State has allowed, like he understands where the reeds are, what he's looking at. He thrives in turbulence.

He's the pilot that, like, gets bored on the, on the, the flight from the LaGuardia to Logan flight. You know, we're up in the air, smooth flight. He's doing the flyby as a top gun. He's just going to buzz the tower. Yeah, he gets bored as hell with that stuff, which we can get to weaknesses in a little bit. Yeah, we can.

He loves the flight from Miami to Boston or from New York to L.A. When you're going over the mountains or you're dealing with southern storms and you're weaving in and out and you're dropping 10,000. Like he loves, he's the type of guy who's going to fly into the hurricane

with the right plane and get a reading for us. You know what I mean? Yeah. And that's the stuff I talked about with like Jackson Dart coming off of Josh Allen, Mahomes. There are certain guys that just seem like their blood pressure doesn't rise.

They're more calm in that chaos. I'm actually surprised his tape is littered with brilliant throws, but it's also littered, and we'll get to it, but it's worth mention, it's also littered with errant off-target throws that don't need to be. Right.

And because of the footwork stuff, which I think is important, but let's just lay it out now. I saw him at the Manning Passing Academy. I was very hesitant to, like, I don't like, I'm coming back from the Manning Passing Academy, John Mateer has changed his throwing motion.

His release is a little bit more compact and a little bit lower as all the quarterbacks are doing now. His hip torque, the consistency, the repetitive stroke that I'm seeing from Mateer is what I'm seeing from these 1400 robots that are all going to the same coach type style camp that my 11-year-old son Tate is doing that show up before practice. They get the balls and the weighted balls in their hands. They're doing this.

And then when they're done with that, they get on a knee and they throw up against a fence. And when they're done with throwing against a fence, that weighted ball, they stand up and they do this. Throw, right? And they're all working the same mechanics now. And I think it's a great thing for the future of the quarterback position. Mateer wasn't. Meteer was throwing like a 1980s asshole like me. He reminds me of a second basement who's always trying to turn to.

He always wants the ball out of his glove and he's trying to work. and he's trying to whip it to first base as fast as possible. Mechanics, technique, be damned, don't care, just trying to make a play. And I always found it remarkable how much energy he gets on the ball because so much of it is upper body, but he has this weird way. When like the back, I don't know, like he, I could sit here and give you, he locks his hip. He locks his hip, which really prevents him from like, yeah. So if he's getting that much velocity, Andy's making these brilliant throws with his lower body.

I went back to my notes from last year, which I did print in advance because they're from last year preseason. And I wrote this. He needs, like, Arbuckle coming with him is a great thing, familiarity, the system, the success they've had. But I remember you and I specifically talking last season when we did something similar to this quarterback series, but this is more refined and a much better way to do it.

That my hope is that Mateer has drilled his footwork and has worked diligently to play within the structure and patience of an offense. Like, I talked over and over again about how it was a great thing that his coordinator's coming, but I hope he's working with somebody else. Because it's not necessarily a college offensive coordinator's job to get that refinement, that repetitive motion. There was the biggest thing, my takeaway, like I love so much about his game, but if he could just get a more repetitive motion that more competitive motion,

that more compact hip tort driving it in like all these other young quarterbacks are doing now he could be a he could get more energy on the ball which like wasn't even really a concern but be and most importantly hit the spots that he needs to hit the layups when they're there he was like a river he's a riverboat gambler as a passer which is awesome at times but it's like maddening at other times when he's missed i watched that ill and i went back this morning man and watched that ill and watch that ill and Illinois State game because I hadn't watched that. Because I watched the Michigan. I watched the Auburn.

I saw the other ones in the middle of season, but they weren't helpful at all. I watched the Alabama. They weren't. Alabama, he had a little time to rest and he looked a little bit more like himself, but still wasn't totally himself. So I'm like, you know what? There's a tape out there I haven't seen. Let me see.

It was underwhelming. Illinois State was underwhelming. There were just a lot of misthrows, easy stuff. So I'm so I don't. issues and yeah i don't want to put too much emphasis on this because i told you like my golf swing i have a great plan until we're on like the and maybe two holes i and then i get into a tough spot in the third hole and it's a mess i've actually even started working on my throwing motion because i'm throwing more passes now than i even think i was in high school in college because i got a young

he's a he's a junkie and so i'm always throwing the ball and i'm watching the way they're they're drilling it i'm talking to alex mcloffland with m2qb and i'm going to manning passing academy i'm like let's get the, it's actually going to save some strain on my aging arm. And now all of a sudden, like, my arm doesn't hurt after throwing a thousand balls, you know? Yeah. So I'm excited to see what he does with this. But I also don't want to put too much emphasis on it because if he comes out and it's kind of the same old thing, it's the same old thing. All right.

Yeah. Let's get to, go ahead. Sorry. I'll just say, like, when he throws over the middle, it's, it is a roller coaster because he misses high so much. One other thing I'll say that was tough for me was evaluating when you watch him later in the year, the accuracy is tough to evaluate because I just think at that point, the injury. I mean, it exasperated what was already, the issues that were already there. I would also say, I'm with you.

Yeah. I would also say some of the decision making stuff. It reminded me a little bit of someone who gets in the corner. So we're on weaknesses now. I'm talking about material still. Yeah. But when he's, yeah. But when he's put in a corner.

and you're kind of a wounded animal at that point. You start to do things that you wouldn't normally do if you're 100% right. And I think it affected his decision-making as well as his accuracy. I think he's like, I'm not throwing as well over the middle, so I'm going to try to make a play with my fee, or I'm going to try and drive a ball downfield into coverage. It was kind of, it was tough because I felt like it was kind of a wash at that point.

So he's another player that, you know, you take what you can out of that tape. And we watched him at Washington State two years ago, and some of the whole balls that he was throwing. He was making some outrageous throws at Washington State. Before the injury he was, that can. That Canick crosser that he throws against Michigan. The Canick makes one hand catch. But quite frankly, if he had just stayed with his angle, it's a perfect ball, like, thrown from off platform,

even though it didn't need to be off platform, because that's just the way he throws. And it's like over a linebacker before the safety, leads him perfectly up the, like, beautiful. And then he comes right back to Satania down the right. rail. Yeah. Beautiful ball. A cover two beater. It's like I said, it's littered with brilliant throws and it's, but it's also

littered with unnecessary off target throws. Like he threw a pick against Illinois State. It's like 21 to 3 in that game. If Illinois, I mean, granted Oklahoma's defense is one of the best in the country. So it was understandable. But it's 21 to 3 in the third quarter, man. He throws a pick. We don't need that.

Yeah. We don't need that. And if it was a team with a good offense, like that's a tight game. The mature moments is the other aspect now that we're into the weaknesses. I'm interested to see with like refined motion, second year SEC, going back rinse, refine, repeat.

Like this should be the best of mature in terms of decision making. We talk about that delicate balance of I am exceptional in chaos. and I'm an absolute train killer when things aren't right and I can create. I can improv, right? But I also got to learn that these mistakes I'm making

here and there are debilitating to my team. And I got away with it more at Washington State, but I ain't here. And we're going to be a really good defensive team. And hopefully for Oklahoma's sake, they run the football a little bit better. I have a role within this offense that is first and foremost.

And then my role expands when something's not there. And I use my proper judgment on when to be mature and be a wild man. But also when to dial it back, pick up three, throw it away, take a sack, whatever I got to do. So, yeah, those are the two things. It's the mechanics, the repetitiveness of his stroke in order to be more consistent with the placement. And then it's the, it's the dialing back of some of those

those critical areas. They're unnecessary. They're unnecessary. And I, I just love the guy so much. I love the way he plays. Like, I pull for guys like this.

I'm not going to shy away from it. I really do. Why would you? You could have favorites as long as you, you recognize the bias and it doesn't affect your final grade. I hate when people are like, oh. It's,

it's, it's, Herm Edwards, man, the way he always told his players. Everyone's getting treated fairly when it comes to grading, evaluating, You'll see when I give you my grade on material. Everyone's getting treated fairly, but maybe not equally when I'm watching on a Saturday.

And it doesn't mean I'm pulling for Oklahoma. I'm not. I just want to see the best of him, just like I want to see the best of Chambliss and saying and car and art. I really do. But some guys are like extra fun to watch because I know there's some special stuff in there. But I also want to see him get smarter with age and more game experience.

And this opportunity at Oklahoma is an awesome one. because they're building a great program there. They've got it all in line. He gets Satania coming back, and I want to see him having a big year. And honestly, who doesn't want to see the best of this prospect? I want all these 10 guys we've done so far, and we're going to continue. Because that creates an awesome environment when we lead up to the draft, and it creates an amazing season in college football, right?

All right, Chamblis, we glazed him. I don't know why. I can't get over using that term. It's whatever. It's funny to me. But he's imperfect just like the rest of us. What weakness stands out or weaknesses? Well, I mean, the height, the height is an issue.

I want to make sure I got the number right here. According to PFF, according to PFF, he had 16, he had 16 passes batting down. So there is, you know, as much as I like to. release. It is a lower point just because of his height. So that's an issue. And then you hit it on it, too. There's these occasional, like almost inexplicable misses every once in a while on throws that I see him make that he should be making it asleep. And he makes four out of five times, but all of a sudden, she short arms it. And that to me were that those are the two things that I would pick. And they're also nitpicking a little bit. And this is just nitpicking. I'd almost like to see him run a little bit more because he's such a good runner that I think he could maybe explore that part of his game a little bit more and be more of a threat as a runner. But that's just nitpicking. I think Finesse throws

are his kryptonite right now. Not totally dissimilar from the Lenora Sellers, what I saw. But, and not as extreme. But, and then the hard part is he will layer a throw. Yeah,

I don't see it as much as you. He shows the ability to throw with finesse. But there are some throws that need a little more arc, need a little bit more air. He's so good at ripping it, and it's just like this repetitive thing for him, and it's like, I see A, A means go. It's like a race car driver. Like that light turns green, foot to the floor.

I want to see him add that element to his game a little bit. I think it's going to help him lead a receiver to some yards after catch. I think it's going to allow him to not have that wild, like, football is like just four yards away. It doesn't all have to be that. There's a lot of throws that I saw on tape with him where I'm like, it's just like the inability to throw with touch on certain throws that require touch.

Or maybe it's not inability, I guess is the question. I was asking myself throughout watching his tape. I don't know that it's inability. I think it's like the practice of recognizing, right? As a quarterback, sometimes you have to recognize this, this throw requires a different angle. I would just go back to flying planes for some reason. I told you both my parents worked for Delta Airlines,

so I guess it's just ingrained in me. Flying up, like, not every landing requires the same landing. Like landed a little different, you know? We got a storm, the wind's blowing. Like we want to come in, but sometimes like, let's finesse that thing down a little. And so, and it sounds like nitpicking, but it's actually really not. I think that's the next step in his evolution, if you will. Okay.

But I want to see that this year. And let's also, it's not a weakness, and he disproved it immediately against Georgia. But now we enter a season where every SEC, every opponent on the schedule. You're not sneaking up on anyone this year, man, man. right? You're just not. You're just not. I told you that from 60-year-old fans in the stands

to 18-year-old high school, 16-year-old high school kids, he's one of the most below, I think EA has been, like I'm pumped to have EA sponsoring this show this month. It's a perfect time to do it as the bundle comes out. The bundle is out, by the way. Yeah. I'm not even required to tell you. I'm not even required, like, we're not doing some read and all that right now.

I'm just telling you the bundles out and you know why. Yeah. Because I get two kids that are ripping my head off and they got to make sure they get to camp and do all the right things before they get the bundle this afternoon. I have a question for you about this, by the way, college football 27 and Madden 27. You get the bundle. You get early access. Today's the 8th of July. That means we're taping on the 8th.

Let's just be honest. It's going to be the night. So when you're watching this on Thursday morning, you still get the, you get the 8th of July. access and you get a pre-order of Madden. So, and I, I know I'm already, I'm already getting ready to, to make that purchase. Quick question. I can't. That might be like the first thing I do when we get off the show.

Quick question. What team, and I guess maybe not specifically what team do you take? Are you a guy who's going with a blue blood? Are you like, oh, we'll start with Ohio State. Are you going with a smaller program? My son Tyler, to the last two years now, Marshall Thundering Hurd. I'm like, why Marshall? He's like, why not?

I'm going, and I think it was because he loved, remember the Marshall head coach after, uh, after the Ohio State game made some comments about trying to get kids to play for him. I think he just loved that coach. And Tyler was like, I'm taking the thundering herd. That's my team now. But what do you go with? I'm, I'm a quarterback receiver guy. I want the best.

But the irony is the way I beat these young punks, because they, they have, they get to log more hours. I have a day job. Yeah. The way I beat these young punk. is I actually take the air out a little bit, and it drives them crazy. I test their seven seconds of patient, like their seven second attention span

that everyone has now, and I slow them down. And I'm literally watching them, like standing up and looking around because they can't last 12 seconds. And they don't even know that, so I hope they're not watching the show. I purposely slow the game down

and then work tempos. But then when I go to throw, I want a receiving core and I want a quarterback they can drill it. I don't run the quarterback much. Mobility for me in both Madden and college. That's not your game.

That's never been a game. No. Tate's a big running quarterback guy. Like I'm going to beat you in the pocket, but I'm going to run the ball a little bit and I'm going to tempo your ass to death. Love it. Where were we? Dan texting us.

that annoying guy online who runs power eye. Yeah, I'll mix it in. I will. I'll mix it in. I will say this. I think it's a little, I mean, you can find an upstart,

you know what I mean? Like, you don't have to go with the blue blood. You don't have to be Ohio State every time, but I get it. You know me. I need a draft prospect quarterback, and I need to have a satania with mature.

I need to have an arch thrown to a Cam Coleman, the wingo. I just like that stuff. Let's also not glaze over the fact that last year He threw for almost 4,000 yards. Chambers did 22 touchdowns, just three interceptions. I don't have three interceptions, by the way. That's what I'm saying.

Everyone gets away with some, but that's a number that pops out. You would think as a first year starter in the SEC, second year starter overall, there would be more moments of, of not melt up, but just like it's going too fast. Yeah. Crowd's too loud. I was overwhelmed.

I never felt like outside of that fourth quarter against Georgia that he was overwhelmed or the game was too fast for me, which is pretty awesome. But now, to your point, I want to finish on the weaknesses, like this is going to be really intriguing to see. He's had a wild off season. Obviously, he's settled down now. He's got a new play caller, new head coach

that was there for the college football playoff. But now you're starting a season and everyone knows what you do well. Everyone's had a whole summer to watch what your weaknesses are. And how do you rinse that awesome season, rinse that all the court injunction, all the stuff that you went through, and refine both your game, but also the potential of what teams are going to throw at you in order to go back out there and repeat.

And hopefully, for his sake, repeat that Georgia game 12 to 16 times this season, right? And what's that receiver room look like? I think they've got talent in there, but it's, There's some turnover there that's going to be interesting to see how that all develops and how quickly it. No question. No question. Quick on this. Talk to me about going to the NFL. What's the transition? What are you looking for? How do you project that transition for both or either of these guys? This is why I led with that. I think when you look at the accuracy, the decision making, the confidence, I think you would agree that Chambers has better touched the material, even if you think it's an area he needs to approve in. Agreed. Chambliss.

Chambliss seems more ready to make an impact at the NFL level. Now, Metteer is fascinating because the tools are and the ceiling is exciting. So if he can unlock that stuff, he can repeat the throwing motion. Like we both hope that he does this year, it'll be interesting to see where we stand at the end of the year. But coming off of last year, I think Chamblis is far more ready to make an impact in the NFL. Chambliss's game translates, man. And that's what we're talking about here. How does it translate?

It does. In an NFL where mobility is more important than ever before, but not necessarily like running, but extending, moving inside the pocket, creating. But most importantly, the just fast decisions,

ball out fast, hitting spots, it translates. There's improvement we've got to see, and we just mentioned some of those areas. But I see, in Chambliss a guy it's going to translate even though he's

511 and 7 eighths of an inch I don't I don't yes the 16 balls batted down so there's areas to like work and I think that for him it's you're not changing his throwing motion because so much of that makes him great or like his arm

get out of here but what you are doing is studying Drew Breeze yes if I'm that Dolmiss staff and I'm working with Chambliss whoever his his guy or his inner circle. I'm making him watch Drew Breeze. Russell Wilson, too, I think, but yeah.

Russell, so those two. They're two of the best to ever do it as shorter quarterbacks that found windows with subtle movement inside the pocket. Mater's game, conversely, as previously constructed, if his mechanics don't become, if they don't stick and we don't see them become part of his repetitive motion. Like, I don't know that you trust him in the NFL. And that's where I'm struggling because the brilliance is awesome.

And you know what? As a backup coming in in certain spots and all that, he can create and do some things and get a fire lit. But as an every week starter, if he's not more consistent with his placement, I don't know. And with his decisions, it's going to be hard for him to emerge as one of 32 in the world.

You know what I mean? That's where I am with mature. But I promise you, I think he's capable. Oh, yeah. I think he's got a lot of the things that you need to be great in the NFL, starting with the burning fire, the football intelligence, the way he attacks the game, in addition to the toughness, the mobility,

the ability to rip the ball. but his Chambliss's game right now, believe it or not, is it translates a little bit more. All right, let's get to the grades. I'm going to, I love doing this review now, because now it's starting to fill out the sport. And we've got Nico I Amaliaava coming up. We got DeMont Williams coming up.

We got Mesta Maker transferring from North Texas to Oklahoma State coming up. We've got, we got Maiava from USC coming up. I'm excited to tell you some of the things I've learned. about him and what he's done this offseason. And I don't know if I'm, so I'm not ruling out that one of those, in fact, you go to some of the scouting companies or scouting services, if you will, that NFL teams utilize. You'd be shocked, I think, by how high Williams and Iamaliava are on those lists, ahead of some of these guys that we have that we've featured in this building the board, 2027 quarterback

class for the first 10 quarterbacks. But this allows us with the 10 that we've done to. to round out the top 10. I'm going to remind folks, for both Mench and I, we're about even, call it a 95, a 94. We'll do a full show at the end where we rip through all our grades that we're going to start the season with. But Dante 1, Sellers 2.

I've got Levitt at 3, Sam Levitt transferred to LSU. Mench does not. And that's going to be interesting when we have to do our show together. I know. I know. I don't look forward to that. because it got uncomfortable. You had to text Marissa to make sure everything was okay.

I was like, what a rush. I was good about it. Car and arch around in 92, let's say it, 91. Car and arch kind of identical grades, very different players. So Dante Sellers, Car, Arch, Leavitt, either before those two or after those two. And I think for you, you had Mensa at six, at five. Yes. So we got to sort that out.

Those are the top six, right? Sayin and Sorosby being seven and eight. Understanding that Sorbsby could be top five if we knew he had a season to play, given his tools, and could actually make the advancements he needs to, but he's a wild card. So with all that said, those are the top eight quarterbacks we've done with grades in basically that order. Are you higher on Chamblis or Meteer grade was? Chamblis. Okay, I thought so.

Where are you, then let's go Meteer first. Where are you putting METI, what grade was? grade would you have on him? Again, behind the curtain, we don't get to do this. I don't get to hide anymore. I would argue that we should not have them on our board. We don't have enough information to be super confident at the grade, but I gave him an 84. I think that, I think that's almost, I mean, that's optimistic about where we are right now, but I just couldn't go any higher than that with the, with the accuracy issues. I think it could go either way with him, and I'm really hoping it goes well. I wrote down 78 with a weight, like a weight in

see. Yeah. I mean, I'm fine with that. It's the same thought process. And I'm fine with 84. 84 is like kind of what you're hoping to see and believing that what he's done in the offseason is going to translate into what we kind of, we can envision if everything goes right, right? Yep. I'm going 78 because he's not there yet. I haven't seen it in a game. I love so many things. I'm still going to give them an early third round grade based off of our scale, but it's still a backup that you hope you can develop at this point. Our grades are not based off of rounds. They're based off of historically matching them up when it's very high in the 90s.

And then beyond that, it's like second, third round grades. These guys are backups, but we see enough potential. You could develop them into a starter. Right. Tyler Shuck being on the highest end of that, right? Just to give a recent example. And then when you get to day three guys, like, yeah, we're going to find there's going to be a Tom Brady. There's going to be a Brock Purdy every once in a while.

But historically, it's like 90-something percent of those guys don't become like multi-year starters in the league, right? So that's where we are on Mateer. Presently, we're both kind of saying, back up, let's see what he's got this year. Certainly we will adjust the grade as it goes, but we got to see it in the game, you know? All right. Chambliss, Chambliss, this one's going to be. fascinating. He is the sixth best quarterback in this class. I gave me an 89.

Give me your first five then. Give me your first five then. It would be, okay, now you put me on the spot. Dante, Sellers, yep. Car, arch, Mensa, Chamblis. Ahead of Leavitt. Ahead of Leavitt. And ahead of Sorsby, obviously insane.

Yep. And ahead of obviously in a tear. My printer is starting to print again, too. And nobody else is in this house. It's just got a mind of its own. Every time this happens, I just imagine Tate is upstairs with an app hooked up to your printer, like, print. You know, just messing with you. He's at lacrosse camp.

My daughter's going to pick up her. I'm going to know a con tonight. I don't know why you're not looking forward to this. I would be so excited. I think because I'm going with Marissa and four girls who are 14 years old and younger. That's a different thing, I guess. Yes. I actually liked some of his stuff for a while.

And I've been forced to listen to some of the stuff to get ready for this concert. The new album, Great Divide, I think it is. Yeah. My kid's got me on vinyl for Father's Day. Do you like the new album? I do. I don't understand why some songs like Orbiter is not on the vinyl and it's on. I feel it's a little depressed.

I don't know how that all works. That's what he is, man. But he's therapy for this generation. You're depressed. Yes. He, Yeah. You are.

Amazing. I would like to say, I would like to be, I would like to be categorized as depressed and not depressing, but thanks, man. I appreciate that. No,

depressed. You like, you like you, I'll be kind. I'm with melancholy. I'm like, you know, yeah,

like I like to stay around the lake and have deep thoughts. You like your music depressed. Yes. I'm not afraid of a sad song. I just don't know you need to be sitting in, in Fenway Park tonight, which I'm thrilled about. I don't need to be sitting in Fenway listening to like some sad songs.

So I'm hoping. Hey, I heard he puts on a great concert. I hope we come back on Monday and I'm like, whoa, I missed you. What an awesome time. But I'm going in a little skeptical. I don't know how we got on that. Chambliss for me.

I gave Chambliss a 90. Nice. I'm okay with that, man. I think it's a fair grade. And if you said I had to give him a 91, I would. 92, I can't go there yet. I want to see this year. 89, I'd push back.

I think he deserves to have a 90 grade based off where we are right now. And a 90 grade then for me means I have personally, Dante, Sellers, Levitt, and then identical grades, Car Arch, and then Mensa and then Chamblis. The great thing is we're now getting our buckets. That's one of the things I'm really liking about this exercise is we feel like these guys are right there and these guys are right there. So I like that part of it. But for me at least, I'm telling you pre-seasoned, I've never ever, ever once ever in 26 years of doing this had seven guys. And I'm conservative at some positions and like give what do we call them?

The grades we give in the summer they're like I don't know. like friendly grades. We grade easier. Mercy grade. It's something along that line. Yeah, like a mercy grade or like I'm not going to bang a guy in the summer. Things are good. But there's definitely a summer curve that we grade on.

Yes. Okay. But I've never had seven. But the quarterbacks, I almost go the opposite way. I don't want to like, let me let him play his way into a 9D plus grade. I've never had seven guys. I don't know that I've had four or five guys. I told you, even the 2024 class that had six draft in the first 12.

12, Michael Pennix was a day two guy coming into the year. I had three guys that had first round grades going into that. No, I had two going into that. Two guys. Yeah. Two. Caleb and Drake. Jaden was a day two guy.

Bo Nix was a day two guy. Friends, to be honest with you. Yes. Yes. McCarthy was a day two. Pennix was a day too. So like, this is going to be intriguing. Yes, it could all explode.

They could all suck this year because I can hear people right now, like comments and all that stuff. But right now, I've got seven guys where I'm like, I'm cool with a 90 or above. Can I give you the weather analogy? And I don't know enough about this to go in this route because I need to do more background. But it's like hurricane season. What are we looking at for hurricane season this year? And all of the indicators are telling us.

it's going to be a big hurricane season. Sometimes it doesn't happen. Sometimes, you know, the weather shifts and it changes. But when you're looking at all, like, whether it's, you know, El Nino or whatever it is. It's an El Nino year this year. Whatever these guys are looking at. Massive storms. So, like, I'm, the indicators are there for this to be a big quarterback season.

All right. Let's get out of here. We're back on Monday. We're going to hit two more quarterbacks. We're going to do a fun segment with, with EA on Josh Hoover's, another quarterback we're going to get to in Indiana. And what kind of. Potential dynasty are we looking at. We got a lot of fun stuff coming up,

and we're going to recap at some point in the next week or so when we get through all these quarterbacks, kind of who our top 10, top 12 is, whatever it is. So this has been, I love the way we're doing it this year. It also helps to have this many really good quarterbacks. But we are, I feel like we're kind of just warming up. And we'll take a minute off when everyone else in the NFL and college football do in late July. And then we'll be back in August and we get so much to leading up to the college football.

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