The McShay Show - LIVE NFL Draft Day 2 Recap and Analysis! Reaction to Shedeur Falling to Day 3 | The McShay Show

Episode Date: April 26, 2025

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Thanks for joining us. Thanks for jumping back on. We had to take a little break, digest everything a little bit. We're supposed to come on in the 98th pick. I saw Dylan Gabriel get drafted, and I said, come on, Tucker, let's go. We've got to go.

Did not see this coming. Obviously, the subject is Shador Sanders, and we are now currently, the New England Patriots just took their fourth offensive player, Jared Wilson, center from Georgia, with the 95th pick, 95th place. have been selected in the 2025 NFL draft, none with the name Shador Sanders.

I warned people of the shrinking pool and that he didn't fit every scheme and that when he came to town, there was going to be a media circus that came with it. I feel like I was on the cautious side with Shador. As a player, I evaluated him. I ranked him. Third quarterback, 21st overall. and I did that with the understanding that I truly, and you look at his traits, I truly believe he's the best pure passer in this class in terms of layering the ball,

touch, delivering the ball accurately, leading receivers to yards, leading receivers open. Then the fast processing. I think he's the best in the class inside the pocket. Understands what defense is trying to do. Been around the game his whole life. Fast thinker. Teflon tough. I told you his versus pressure reel this last year.

On Plays, snaps versus pressure as a pastor. It was in the 220s. Every other guy was like 130 to 180. Saw a lot more pressure. Kept popping up. Not the biggest guy. 6-1, 212. Tough as nails.

Ready for any moment, too. Big moments. No problem. But the lack of the ball energy, meaning arm strength for people who just want to go simplify it, lack of size, not a running threat, and the Caleb-like bad habits. Those are all the traits as a football player. The Caleb-like bad habits were probably a lot of it had to do with the fact

he was playing behind that offensive line and had to carry this team and had to probably look for bigger chunks. There was no running game supporting him. There wasn't past protection that was adequate enough. There was a defense that was up and down at best during his career in Colorado. So those habits can be coached out. Just like Caleb Williams' habits, hopefully you're going to be coached out by Ben Johnson. That's why they made a coaching change.

We've got to save this number one overall pick, generational talent, right? The problem is with Caleb Williams, he is a mobile running threat. He does have an outstanding arm. He can create and run and get away from all this trouble. But you saw even with all that athleticism as a rookie that Caleb Williams had. Caleb Williams has, it still isn't enough in that league, man. You got defensive ends at 260 plus pounds running 451. I guarantee you, I guarantee you if you ever were to run a 40 and he never will officially.

Shador Sanders and wisely so. It's not shy of 4-7 and it's probably in the 4-8s, okay? So that's the player on the field. We can work out some of those bad habits. There's no question about it. Get him with a guy like Kevin Stefansky in Cleveland. I've said that all along. Get him with a Mike McDaniel in Miami.

Get them with coaches that like, that really don't, it's not about being the biggest, the tallest, the fastest, the strongest arm. It's about fast processing, accuracy, quick decisions. Pop, pop, pop. That's how the offense is supposed to run. we've seen it was Stefansky, right? Throughout his career. It was Kirk Cousins, won 10 games, I believe.

We had a playoff run. Who was a? Dan, you back there? I don't know if Dan's back there. We were looking up. Case Keenham. I always forget Keith's Keenum. I always want to call him a McCown.

Case Keenum. One 11 games with Case Keenum. You know what Case Keenom and Kirk Cousins have in common? not very big, don't have great arm strength, and not mobile, not running threats, okay? Shadur Sanders. So in the right system, he absolutely can thrive. He can absolutely be on a team and lead that team and win 10-11 games. If Case Keenham can, I promise you, I've been doing this a long time.

I promise you Shador Sanders can. That's the football aspect of it. But with that, the pool is smaller. And I said, New Orleans, it's not going to make sense. I've been saying this to you for a while. New Orleans, it's not going to make sense. I think there's an appreciation for undersized guys who aren't very mobile. I said it a couple hours ago when we were on here.

I'm an undersized quarterback. I was terrible at it by these standards. So walk on at Richmond. Kellyn Moore, undersized quarterback. Didn't have the biggest arm, not overly mobile, right? But we learn how to process quickly, get the ball out, throw it with tons, lead receivers, get the ball out early, early, early, right? And so he has a great appreciation, as do I.

But guys like us, it's an infatuation with, okay, I see the game the way I see it. I can process it the way I do. Now interject someone with the traits I never had. And so that's why working with Dak Prescott, as Kellyn Moore did, working with Justin Herbert, working with Jalen Hertz. And once you get with that skill level and you can implement your processing and your system, you don't want to go back to dealing with what you were born with, right? So it's a fascinating thing to me.

So I want you to look at this as like a job pool. You go and you put out your resume to a bunch of different places, okay? and you put it out to 32 teams. But, I don't know, 15 of them, let's say, just don't have a job opening, right? They don't have a job opening because they have Patrick Mahomes. They have Josh Allen, right? They've got Justin Herbert.

They've got Jalen Hertz. They've got their guy. So now the pool shrinks. Then you look at the rest of the pool and you say, well, I'm a skill. to do this, but this company is requiring a different skill. And so that shrinks. That shrinks New Orleans, right? That shrinks the giants. And even those teams were willing to see, let's kick the tires, let's meet, let's see, maybe we can do it with this skill set. We would be willing to try to force it in there. Let's see. But then you, but then after the, after you

in your resume, right? And you try to figure out all the skill sets and you get the pool shrunk down. There's always that that last list. Even this last job, I had nine different companies. I was trying to shop this project too. And it shrunk whether I didn't want, they didn't, however it worked. And it keeps shrinking down. Well, Shadur had it in his mind through his camp and mostly his father in that situation that they were going to take a couple out of the, pool because they didn't want to go to those organizations. Remember the narrative in October, November, December, Coach Prime went on, was very, was boisterous about I'm going to be, I'm going to kind of handle this thing.

And there's some organizations that my son's not going to play for. That's his right. The Mannings, the Mannings, that was, like, it's still in my mind, I was sat in the, in New York in the, in the theater there. and I still in my mind can remember how awkward it was with Eli holding the jersey and Arch standing next to him doing the interview. And Eli is standing there saying, you know, I think we made it perfectly clear that this is not where we're going.

And the Manning's figured out a way to do it. John Elway, same similar stuff. So like, yeah, it's not the first time. We walked through all of this for months, okay? But as that process is starting, there's, it's not rumors, it's not back channel stuff. It's in the public. It's out there in the media. He is using the media as a platform, Coach Prime is,

to explain that my son's not, he's not available to everybody. I'll decide the teams he's available and not available to. Well, then he goes to the combine, and I explained this, and it wasn't, here's the thing, and I said it at the time, anyone who was with us for this run, who was with us from October, and maybe jumped on in December or even jumped on right at the combine,

and have been watching the show, I explained, it's shocking to me that these networks and these reporters that have all the information in the world, insiders, connections, played for these coaches, played with or for these general managers. I know they know the stuff I know. Why is no one talking about the fact? Because I know of two teams, and I wasn't asking. I never asked anyone, how did the interview go with Shador? They came to me and were like, pooh. And it wasn't like, don't tell anyone.

And it wasn't like, hey, you got to race out this news. They just wanted to talk because they were like, they were like, hmm? What just happened? Yeah, we just met with Shadour. We had like 25 other 40, some cases, 45 other interviews at the combine. 44 of them came in and it was, you know, their livelihood was on the line. Think about any job interview that you've gone into that you want the job. Professional, selling yourself.

you want to make sure that that person knows that you're going to be a great hire and and they know that you want to come work for them, right? They walked out of the two individuals I spoke to with organizations that had interviews at the combine with Shador walked out and like, no disrespect, no incidents, nothing said, just didn't get the sense that he cared what we thought about him, which is a weird thing when you're doing 44 other interviews and those. He's got, yes, sir. And again, he wasn't disrespectful, but like bright-eyed and trying to sell yourself and show your energy. He didn't come in with that. So now this pool that's already shrunk by scheme and teams that have the Josh Allen's and Patrick Mahomes and the Jalen Hertz's and the Justin Herberts and the list goes on.

Now it's shrinking. And I told you at the time, too, it was two. teams in the top 10 that needed quarterbacks at the time. Well, after the combine, they went out and got quarterbacks. Still could take them. So now it's shrunk even more. And so the crazy part is that Shador already had because of his size, because of his lack of arm strength, because of his lack of mobility, already had a pool that was

smaller than other guys like Jackson Dart, Cam Ward, Tyler Shuck, Jalen Milrow. He already had this shrunk pool, okay? But then he went and turned off some teams with his attitude. And then I told you recently, there's a, I have been told by two different sources that the back and forth with an install package with the New York Giants and Brian Dable. It did not go smoothly. And I don't need to give any more detail. So now that's a third organization that I'm aware of. I don't know if there are any others.

And I'm not some anonymous scout. And I know everyone's screaming. Well, anonymous scouts and all these reports. I'm telling you that I'm talking to teams. And teams are telling me this information. And this is what happened. And I'm not hiding behind it. And I'm not against Chador.

I started this whole thing saying, I think he can be a 10, 11, even 12 game winner in the NFL in the right system. Okay? But I wasn't shocked when he did. get drafted in the first round. In fact, I said, like, if it's not Pittsburgh, and if it is Pittsburgh, it's going to be Coach Tomlin stepping in, because the personnel department, I don't think that's the direction they necessarily want to go. They have a plan, okay? And if it's not Tomlin, if it's not Pittsburgh, 21, he's not going in the first round.

We've been saying this all week long. And I told you from this jump, it ain't New Orleans and it ain't the New York Giants. So when he gets the second round, I do the mock tent, mock, the top 10 picks do an exercise, just to give you guys a feel of who could be coming off the board when in the first 10 picks of the second round. Didn't put him in there. Put Tyler Shuck in there in New Orleans at 40. Okay?

That's my mini-mock from earlier today. No Shador Sanders, Tyler Shuck at 40. But for as much as I warned, and as dire a situation as I knew it was, from everything that I've told you and some even some more, you know, some more. I didn't foresee this. I did not foresee this.

We are now at pick 100, folks. Pick 100, and Charles Grant the William and Mary left tackle. Really good athlete. Developmental project is a left tackle. William and Mary is Richmond's arch nemesis, our rival. Know a lot about them, but I don't think many people in the world would think that Charles Grant, a developmental left tackle from William and Mary,

would be drafted at pick 99, and Shador Sanders would still be sitting at home with his family and his group wondering, where am I going to go play? And what's even crazier, I talked to you just moments ago about it's a shrinking pool because of the scheme. And I told you two teams, organizations with coaches and Mike McDaniel and Kevin Stefanski, Miami, Cleveland, respectively. they don't mind, they're good with that. Tua, Mike McDaniel, right?

I just told you the two cats that Stefanski's won 21 games in two seasons. I think it was back-to-back seasons, 21 combined in regular season games. But Cleveland, who remember private workouts, meeting with Coach Prime, Coach Prime comes out and says, they're going to take one of my two sons, meaning Shador and Travis. They took neither. They traded out of two, okay? They traded out of two to move back and got an unbelievable deal. We'll get to Cleveland and a bunch of other teams.

I think we've been huge winners in day two of the draft and throughout the draft. We're going to get the – our boy, Munch at some point, is going to come out of sabbatical. He's going to join me here on the set, and we're going to go through the teams that we think have done the best work. Great picks. I've got guys written down. We've got all sorts of fun stuff to do with you for about the next hour, okay? As we wrap up the third round, and we're going to do a review show. but Dylan Gabriel is the pick at 94 overall,

the fifth quarterback taken, and Cleveland passed on both the Colorado Buffaloes. It just makes you wonder, how are these meetings going? Is one side perceiving how things are going differently than the teams? It's a fascinating case study, but it's also a good reminder to everyone out there, like literally, everyone out there,

anything you do in life. And I distinctly remember talking to Connor, who's our executive producer here, Connor Nevins, and talking to him about the phraseology of what I was hearing and how may, and I remember saying, Connor, I want to make sure I explain this right. And I'm not trying to break news. It's not what I do.

I stay in my lane. It's how I've gotten where I am and what I'm doing. But I have information. No one else seems to want to be talking about it. Usually I just wait for someone else to report. it and then we can talk the football aspect of it. And I remember saying to Connor, like, how do I explain, there's only six teams in the top 10 that need quarterbacks, and he may have just a race two that need him.

And I get that he maybe he, and I remember saying at the time, he's like, well, and Connor was like, well, just explain that we've said all along, and coach, we didn't say, coach prime said all along, we're going to. kind of handle this thing. So that is an option, Todd. And I was like, absolutely. They may have a deal done with Cleveland that I don't know about. They may have a deal done with the Giants that I don't know about. Because those aren't one of the two teams that I talked to that things didn't go well, right? The Vikings are on the clock right now with the final pick. And again, we will review the entire third round.

And he said, you know, basically he was walking through it's supply demand. And I believe it was Connor who said, like, it's a shrinking, shrinking the pool. Why would you try to shrink the pool unnecessarily? And that's what I've kind of used as my phraseology throughout this entire process. It has never made sense to me. That's why I say, like, it's good for everyone to hear. It's a reminder. Like, no matter what you do, go into it, you never know.

And even if you don't want to get this job, your paths may cross. Shador may something may have happened to his career and he's a free agent and wants to go somewhere else and everyone's going to always remember like he didn't care about me then now I'm a GM I was just I wasn't at that level so it's a good reminder to everyone

but you converge all of those things right teams have quarterbacks scheme fit isn't perfect interviews he doesn't take him all with the same level of seriousness and preparation

as he should have. Right? And now you get to the point where it's like, all right, the talent is good. We can win a lot of games with this guy, but it's not great enough. And so I can't pass on a starter in round one and maybe early in round two because these guys are like a dudes. They can come in and make a big impact. And we need to win games this year.

And I'm not viewing him as a guy who's going to step in day one and start. And people in the league. and I've been telling you this from the start. I'm not saying that he's a developmental guy. I'm just saying you don't draft Shador Sanders with a set of skills and say he's absolutely it. Like Tennessee just drafted Cam Ward. Or like Drake May, Jaden Daniels, and Caleb Williams in reverse order a year ago.

It's not that skill level. We just went through it. I showed you the traits. And so all of that added up. And now you have this part. And this is why he's still on the board. Remember Tim Tebow? interviewing with the Jets as a backup when he came in and they were talking about maybe moving

him to like a full back, H-back type role or some special teams, and there was a press conference. What backup quarterback, you know, bottom of the roster guy that has a press, you know what I mean? And it wasn't his fault. It was never Tim's fault. It was all the media attention that came with it. Well, that's what we have with Shador and all the commercials. and Coach Prime's son. And so if you're going to draft him,

you better believe that you want to play him either year one or year two as a starter. And if you don't believe that, now I'm going to figure out how would I draft him if I like him without him coming in. Oh, by the way, he's our fourth draft pick. If Cleveland just took him at 94, right, how do I draft him at pick 94,

one, two, three, four, fifth draft pick in the first three round? and have him not overshadow Mason Graham, a defensive tackle for Michigan. Carson Swessinger, a linebacker, UCLA. Quinshan Judkins. Big name, not that big. Ohio State. Harold Fanon, tight end Bowling Green.

By the way, all four players, huge impact starters or in a rotation right away. But everyone in the media wants to go to that locker, right? Is it worth it? that's what it comes down to for these GMs. We all sit here and we look at our boards and we look at his talent and we say, yeah, late first, early second. But there's 32 human beings sitting in those seats who have to deal with all sorts of stuff, man.

They got to deal with all the character problems. They're dealing with the psychologist. They're dealing with the medical. They're dealing with their owner. They're dealing with someone on their staff having the flu. They're dealing with they run the whole organization. and they've got a process and a daily schedule and they've got it's just like think about the CEO and we could dip but but but and now I'm going to bring in someone and I don't want someone that

that is going to be that we're going to kind of groom to maybe one day becomes a EVP and then becomes a you know a vice president in this organization but he's like steps away from that but when I hire him it's going to be like national media news that's it's just just shy of the Tebow stuff in terms of national media attention. And so while he should have gone somewhere in that 21 to 40 range based on skills, and maybe you bump down a little bit because the pool is shrunk because of the scheme that he fits, this is why he's still on the board as we end the third round of the draft. And Ty Felton, wide receiver from Maryland, really good player.

not as good at what he does as Chador is at playing quarterback. Savion Jones, really good five-technique defensive end from LSU, strong, tough, help you out versus the run, not as good at his job as Shador Sanders is at playing quarterback. But Shador's on the board for all of those reasons that I just explained. Welcome in. Welcome in. And I didn't even mention Jalen Milro was drafted before him as well. And Jalen Milrow, phenomenal athlete, beautiful deep ball.

Jalen Milro's two years minimum from being, if the process goes perfectly with Jalen Milrow in Seattle, he's minimum two years away from being in a position to compete for a starting job, but it probably won't be there with Sam Darnold. It probably would be in a situation where he's traded. Jalen Milro was brought in because he's sat at the draft, quietly and like no fanfare. Alabama starting quarterback, no fanfare. He was there. He got invited. It was shocking. The media made a thing out of it for a minute or two and then found out that like they invited him. It was an awesome opportunity. He wanted to be there. He didn't care if he got drafted in the first round, second round, third round, just to be there. How cool would it be to hear my name called?

And he's an awesome dude. He's smart as a whip. There's very little not to like about Jalen Milrow, except he's got a lot of work to do in terms of processing the game quickly in the pocket and his accuracy. You see all those muscles there? He's got, he needs to get with Tom Brady's people and not, not to Gold's gym. And I've said this from the beginning of Brady Quinn,

Tim Tebow, Will Levis pumped up upper bodies. I think he, now he gets to Seattle. They'll work with him. Flexibility. But Jaylon Milrow was willing to, like nobody really even knew. It just wasn't a thing that Jalen Milro was at the draft in Green Bay.

Shador wasn't at the draft. Shador had a big party yesterday and it didn't go well and no one likes to see. No one likes to see any of this, man. It's like I feel terrible for Shador. Can you imagine this is your dream, your whole life? You've worked your ass off to get here. That young man grinds. He lives this.

He studies the tape. He puts in the work. He's out there when, excuse me, when the lights aren't on and the commercials aren't going and the cameras are like he's actually doing all that work and he's doing it at a high level and he's really talented at it and he takes more hits, excuse me, more hits than any other college quarterback this year that I saw on tape and by a large number and he bounces up every time because he's tough as nails.

you don't root against that guy. And so anyone who says that like, well, people are happy that no one who cares about this game and cares about what's going on here, like is even within a hundred miles of being happy or like intrigued. And there are some people in the media who probably think this is great. And it's a story and we can talk about this story. Shador still on the board. And I can't stand those people. Absolutely loathe those people. just like you don't tip picks and you do things a certain way and the right way, when you're in this this long,

and you spend this amount of time getting to know the individuals, the people who are making the decisions, everyone involved. And you study all this tape on one player just to turn that off, finish the report, and do the next player. And you read all these backgrounds and you read all the different walks of life and all the challenges these humans have had, just like we all have different levels. Some of them more than a lot of us could even bear. You get to a point where if it's not hurting other people and being bad or terrible to other people

or sexually assaulting women, like there's a very small group of players that you don't root for and I promise you shoulder's not even close to that group. Shador's one of the guys you root for. and that's like 99% of every prospect that I evaluate. And all the good people that are in this business are the same exact way. I'm looking at Charles Davis right here. One of the nicest, most wonderful men you'll ever meet.

Roots for every single one. Daniel Jeremiah, wonderful human being. We all root for all of these young men. We want to see them do their best. I don't want to see Chador now have two straight nights, have to go back to all of his family and his friends. and everyone who's around him in disappointment. But you know what?

And granted, it was a different viewing party for Tom Brady, but it devastated him while also molding him in to arguably the best player and quarterback to ever play the game. So maybe this is the moment he needed. Center him, ground him, knock him down, pick himself back. up because if he's, I know this, watching the guy, he'll pick himself up. That's the one thing I don't question. Can he make that throw from this hash or that? Can he outrun that linebacker? Yeah, those are fair questions. I don't question his resolve for a second. So I'm pulling for him.

And I don't like to see this for him. But it should not have been a surprise out of round one or maybe even latent around two. This is a surprise, and this sucks for Shador. And there we are. Yeah, so let's spin it forward. We've got the rest of the draft to deal with, and unfortunately we'll deal with where Shador lands, but now hopefully he gets the spot.

But it was very surprising to me, to be completely honest. Not necessarily Seattle. That makes sense. Seattle's now they got a project. Jalen's a special athlete. Jalen's someone that, you work with for two years and best case you wind up. He's like, well, I can't sit him anymore.

He's that good. And you trade Sam Darnal. Somewhere in the middle is, he plays so well that it's 10 times better than the Joe Milton situation, which you saw in New England. You get a high draft pick for him. And he's won me some games because he stepped in with that mobility, right? He stepped in with that mobility and he found ways to win a couple games. And worst case is, I spent the, what was it?

I spent the 90 or the, where was he? I spent the 92nd pick overall on them. And it didn't work out. So that's not surprising. Dylan Gabriel, however. See, here's the thing. When I talked about that shrinking pool and I mentioned Miami and Cleveland is a couple of them. There's not a ton of them in the league.

But I don't know, six, seven, eight. They were like, yeah, we're good with that. And then there's a handful of others that, like, I don't have to have. I'd like to have, but I don't have to have that mobility or that arm. But Cleveland was one of the spots, man. And it would be one thing if they did take Jalen Milrow, right? It would be one thing if they took Tyler Shuck. They took Dillon Gabriel.

Dylan Gabriel's 511-205. I promise you this. Dylan Gabriel processes fast. We joked around, mentioned it. It's like watching like the, the, not the Matrix. One of the,

maybe it's the Matrix. Like the screen up, he processes fast, but not like Shador. He doesn't see the game the same way that Shador does. I don't think. He's accurate,

but he's not as accurate as Shador. He's got to, a little more juice on the ball, to be quite honest, but he's shorter than Shador, and he's not very mobile. So it's interesting. But you know what he comes with? Zero fanfare, zero media attention. Oh, oh, that's cool. He let him to college football playoff. But Shador is like the Tim Tebow level. And with that comes a lot of money and it comes a lot of fame and opens a lot of doors and does all the, but when it comes to being a backup quarterback in the NFL, not many people are dying to have that.

What do we get these odds? These are the odds? There's no minus anymore. There was a minus something earlier when you were showing me the Raiders when we started today. That was like five, six hours ago when we looked at Fandwell before. It was like a minus, what was it, minus 300 or something like that? For the Raiders.

Thank you, Tucker, for throwing this up. they're all plus 3.50 plus that tells you that even Fandul that knows everything. Fandle doesn't have a clue, just like the rest of us where he's going. All right. Yeah, MENCH will be here for the seventh round. How's my Munch Mafia doing? Let's pull up some. What's going on?

Is this a whole new thread? It's nothing like being on live. Here we go. Yeah, we're live right now. Here we go. James Worthy. Alan Saunders. Well, people are mad.

People are mad. I don't really, I'm not sure why anyone could be mad at me for saying all the positive things I just said and just explaining the situation. But that's okay. I understand it. Been through it before.

But I'll say this. Now you go to a place, is a third-day pick in your Chador-Sanders, and it absolutely alleviates some of that pressure, and it alleviates some of that... There's no longer the... Well, he was a second-round pick, so he's going to start when he's going to start.

So I think he will be one of the first few names off the board. And hopefully overnight, they can kind of talk to some teams and figure out what might be the best situation for him, you know? But Ments will be here soon. I went to check on this. Doesn't look like anyone's mad at me necessarily, just kind of mad at the situation.

So that's understandable. It is frustrating. And I'm not, and I see, I see what you're saying, V-sky. Oh, there's Mench. Let's go. Move over.

All right, perfect. Here we go. I'm tired of your voice. Who isn't? What do you think? Should I let them in? Anything good happen? I'm curious.

I'd be a great nap. I'm sure you did. Why don't you get a microphone first? No one can hear you. I thought it was loud enough. I'll grab a chair. Right there. Do you go out and drink?

Anything? Why don't you sit down and start doing your job? My goodness. I got a nine-hour break and you come in here like, anything good? We just talked about your door, so we got that covered for you. Oh, good. All right?

I guess not good. I don't know. I don't know how to describe that situation. Well, I just did for about 40 minutes. So now we can talk about the draft. The players who were actually drafted, which is what it should be. And we've got a lot of people in here, and I love it. Okay.

I want to do this. I want to first ask you outside of the Shador situation. You've been, and everyone was wondering. I didn't mean to sound like I was hiding what he was doing. He runs a draft tracker for ESPN.com. He's Steve Mesh. He is Scouts Inc. he is carrying on that torch and he's doing a beautiful, wonderful job doing it.

And he has been in charge for, I don't know, almost two decades now of instant reactions and making sure that when a player's picked, you get the sense of who the player is, how it fits, and everything else. And it is a hard-ass job. And Steve is doing it and he did it at a high level. I'm certain. I read some of the things already today. That was nice.

Look at this. This is how I feel. It looks like Jimmy Neutron. Where's my hat? her there, right? I don't know. I'm going to get a hat. Don't bail them out.

My daughter always says, Dad, you're doing it again. You've been working too much. That's what I do. All right, how many did you get out of your top hundred? I don't know. I haven't looked yet. I was really hoping you.

I could just say one more than you. I just want to say one more than you. All right. Now we're serious. How many did you get, Munch? I don't know yet. Why don't you actually talk about the draft for a minute? Maybe I can get some of my stuff.

Some things that were popping out to me as they were going, as much as I gave the Patriots a hard time about the Will Campbell pick, they seem to have a really good night. They had a great... Yeah, give me... We're going to get into teams in a minute. Okay. Was there a theme?

Was there one pick? Was there something interesting? Well, I mean, I think the most fascinating pick, and it ties into what you were talking about, so I don't know if you really want to get into it, but is the Browns taking Dilling Gabriel? So I just went on a long rant, And I explained both sides.

I explained the shrinking pool. I explained all the things that happened that led him to getting to the second, maybe middle second round. Okay. It's not even about Shador for me, though. No, I know. Okay. And then I explained the media attention and what comes with bringing in a backup quarterback

and the Tim Tebow issue and all those other things. And from the middle of the second, from when they got past the Raiders, maybe in the late second. Mm-hmm. to the end of the third round, I believe that is, it's an awful lot of attention. It's like the Tim Tebow doing the interview

with the Jets when he's brought in to maybe be like a special teams guy and maybe do some like H-back stuff. Right. What are we talking about now? It's just a lot. It's a lot. So I think that has factored into why he is falling out of this.

And I was explaining, and I went through some of the names. Like, it's not, you can't tell me, I love William and Mary. I love them as a rival. I love developmental left tackles. You can't tell me Charles Grant is better at his job as a developmental left tackle than Shador is as a quarterback.

He's not. Right. So it goes beyond the football and the traits and all those things. And people want to call it other things. It truly is about as a general manager, there's 32 of them, right? There's 32. As a general manager, you've got to manage everything in your organization. and that becomes a lot to bring on for a backup quarterback.

Right. And so when you have someone with a – and I said the pool was small in part because of the interviews. The pool was small in part because of his talent level. But most – and the pool is small because there are some teams that just don't need that position at their company. I talked about it from a corporate view. When I've got Josh Allen, I don't need that position in my company. Patrick Mahomes, Justin Herbert, Jalen. hurts for some of the names I was given out, right? But the, and I understand the Jalen Milrow thing.

We're not trying to bring in a backup, yep, because this is a developmental guy who we can trade down the line, we can win games in the meantime, or like best case, we get a really tough situation on our hands with Sam Darnold and Jalen Milrow because Jalen's awesome right now. Mm-hmm. But when Gabriel was picked, that's when I said, Tucker, turn the thing on, we got to talk. Yeah. Okay? Because Dylan Gabriel is cut from the same clock.

and it's the same scheme guy. And I told you, Mike McDaniel, Kevin Stefansky, it works. Undersize, not the biggest, not the strongest arm, not the most mobile works. You can win a lot of games with Tuo. You can win a lot of games with Kurt Cousin.

You can win a lot of games is Stefanski and McDaniel have done. Yeah, I thought Will Howard, though. I thought that there were still better options, though. No, but my point is this, Mench. That's when it told me definitively that the same type of scheme, same type of trait person in Dylan Gabriel as Shador Sanders.

And we all know, we all know Shadur is a better player. Okay. A prospect. Right. Everyone knows that. Yeah. I'm talking to a single person in the league, not one, who's ever said that Dylan Gabriel is even in the same neighborhood as Shadur Sanders.

I agree. And it's the media attention that will come with this backup quarterback that we just don't want to deal. Not that we don't want to deal with Shador. Yes, he burned a couple bridges along the way. But it's the media attention that's going to come with Shador. Tim Tebow is a likable guy. Easy to get along with. Actually kind of unassuming when you meet him in person. Like no no way, shape, or form is you're going to cause a problem. But what comes with Tim Tebow was the problem for a lot of organizations. They're like, listen, I love Tim. I'm interested in like using them in different roles, all that. After people in the league figured out, it's just not going to work as a starting quarterback.

But yeah, I'd like to try them some different places. Competitive, son of a gun. One of the best college football players that have ever seen play the game. Great, great short-yardage runner. Yeah. Maybe there's something we can do with them. But is what I'm going to get on the field worth all of that? And I think that's what's going on right now. In fact, I'm certain of it. I don't want to dance around. Call it whatever you want. It was about the, it was about the the shrinking pool and then it became the media right all right i got 87 of my top 100 i got 85 oh damn damn i'm getting close though i'm closer than that was last year right way closer yeah i'm getting there good on you my second year doing it good on you and i didn't even i actually thought 85 might be low though i was like

i thought i was like he probably got like 92 no i was worried about getting like 83 84 there was a couple guys he came in at the end, right? I didn't even see the end. Yeah. I just got in my ear that it was 87. Oh, man, 85. All right.

Can we talk about the Ohio Statebacks early second? We can in a second. I do want to give you a little bit of love, though. Okay. The player that you have been on my ass about, and we'll get to the best available, but the player you were on my ass about the most this year,

and I wasn't anti, but you just had a thing for him. an absolute heater for Pat Bryant, Illinois. When he went 74, I was like, good on you, men. I didn't have it in my top 100, though. That's early, third. Yeah. Early. Yeah.

Tell the world and tell Denver fans exactly what they're getting in Pat Bryant, then we'll start our show. I mentioned it before. People are always like, oh, who's your Pooka Nakua this year? Who's your that player or this player? It's like, you can't predict those kind of things. Because Puka went as late as he did for a reason, you know? He didn't run that well.

and people were concerned. Pat Ryan ran, I think the second slow is 40 of the receivers of the combine. He was in the low four-sixes. But then I put on the tape, and here's the guy who's averaging over 18 yards in the big ten and just making plays all over the place. And I was like, man, this guy just plays faster than he timed. This is going to be one of those dudes that falls in the draft. Obviously, I thought he was going to fall far than the third.

I really thought the workout was going to knock him out of the top hunter. I thought he was going to be a day three guy. But again, plays faster on tape, gets downfield, catches bass, gets open for a good size receiver. Not huge, but a good size receiver, he gets open. I'm psyched. I think he's going to be a really good player. I think he was smart that they took him.

I'm trying to remember who took him. It was just before San Francisco. Denver. Denver. Yeah. I think they're going to get a hell of a player. All right, I want to go through some things. And then I think Sean Payton, what he can do with them.

I love that pick. Man, I just went on the heater. How long was I talking about the Shado? situation. That was like an epic rant. I got it out of my system, though. It's official. It's done. You can clear. Ed Wardo, clip it all up, baby. Clip it however you want. It's all true, and I believe in all of it, and all of it should be shared. And I've been kind of like, you know, I just, I don't want it to overshadow everything else, but now we're done with the first three rounds. Let's get it all out. Let's turn the page. Next play, as I always say at home. Next play. Next play.

A couple of things I want to mention. Third round picks. I really wanted to get these three out there. Okay. That I really loved. And if there's one or two you want to add, but tonight we are about... Boom, boom. Yeah, we're not chopping wood tonight. We're popping corn.

Savon Revell, 76 overall. I know he had the injuries. I love this guy on tape. He's tall. He's long, Dallas fans. That cornerback is going to wind up. I mean, hopefully he's ready to go immediately. I read the doctor's report.

I literally read the doctor's report. I talked to multiple teams. They think he's going to be good. Obviously, there's got to be some concern because he is a first-round talent and his ability to press and the way he had developed from 23 to 24. I'm looking at the wrong camera. I watched 20-23, and I'm like, there's a lot of to work here. And I purposely watched 20-23 this year.

I watched the first season, 2023. And then I was like, all right, here's 20-24. It's almost like watching a movie, but you fast-forward. like a half hour and you just hope that your favorite character things are going well for him and i was hoping that he was a little bit more physical better with his hands and press and like from the first five snaps i was like yep he worked he worked and i just love him and i'll never forget smu 2023 tape if you want to laugh if you somehow out there can get your hands on smu 223 tape even if you're just watching the game fast forward to every deep ball and there's like 20 of them

I think they tried to throw like nine or ten. Same rail routes. Down the right side, down the left side. And they got them on one. But do you know how weird it is to watch a game where someone attacks the best cornerback, maybe the best player on the entire field, nine times, three-step drop and Chuck? And he was like eight for nine. I love Jalen Knoll.

We'll come back to that. We'll come back to that. But getting Jalen Knoll, who I had as the third best receiver in this class, and I knew he was going to go late. I had no problem. I didn't think he would go this late. But Jalen Knoll, we'll talk about him when we get to Houston. And then Pittsburgh, I like that pick.

Zone blocking scheme, Caleb Johnson, really good fit, couldn't get Trayvion Henderson, didn't have a second round pick, got your defensive tackle early. I like that pick for Pittsburgh, but I'm not going to bring them up. Anyone else you want to touch on before I get to teams? Uh, Les Sneed went out last year and got the defensive rookie of the year in Jared Verst in the first round. Yep. He got Braden Fiske, the defensive tackle was going to be a difference maker in the second round.

And then this year he takes Josiah Stewart from Michigan, the edge in the third round. And I just think about Josiah Stewart, an outside linebacker in that scheme, opposite of Jaredverse. That could be a home run pick. I mean, Stewart is a dog. He is explosive. You think he's a little undersized? watch when you watch him on tape, the first thing that comes into mind is power. He is just physical coming off the edge.

And who does that remind you? I mean, I think about Jared Verson against LSU the year before he came out. Yeah. Just running over dudes. Oh my gosh. And so it's the same way. He's not very big, but he will run right to your face mask. And that could be a potential home run pick for them.

And then I also liked Arizona's not messing around building up that front, man. They got Walter Nolan the first round. They got Jalen Birch now. They signed Josh Sweat. They signed Callias Campbell. I think Jordan Birch, I had a second round grade on him. I think he's an absolute steel in the middle of the third. I don't even know where they can play him.

It's a good problem to have. I think you can play him anywhere in that defensive front, whether it's that outside linebacker or the defensive end position, you can even kick him inside when they go to four-man fronts. They're going to be multiple. Arizona was on one of the teams I was going to get to, so we'll cover it now. It's a risk but value draft.

Right. It's a risk but value draft. Walter Nolan comes with some of the character stuff. Will Johnson comes with some of the injuries. But you get him in the second. But we're about to take another step, Arizona. I got news for you. This team's a lot better than people think.

The Cardinals are better than people think. And I think Gannon has got, like, I just like the program he runs. I like the way they play. And they brought in Callais Campbell, as my good friend Steve Minch, pointed out yesterday. And it's a great point because now, not only is he going to help Walter Nolan develop, he's going to show him how to be a pro. And what work has to go into becoming a great pro, like Callias has been for 47 years. years now.

He's like easy, man. And then Will Johnson, a cornerback is a perfect scheme fit. That combo man's own, the things that they do, play in cushion, eyes in front. And then Jordan Birch is another guy who I see the traits. I didn't like the way he was used. I'll be interested to see how they use him. I think he's better outside than inside. I think Callais is going to help him too.

Agree. All right. Here's some of the teams. I don't want to say I ranked them. I was going through them. A lot of picks coming in. I'm crossing off my top 100 board. I'm going through the needs and all that.

But they're kind of in the range of where I think so far. I don't do winners. I don't do grades. I never do grades. I can talk about the teams that I think came away with the most. And there's some head scratching picks. And we'll get to – by the way, we're back with Rusillo tomorrow, three to five. If you want to have a real good time, three to five Eastern time,

noon to three local. We're going to be at Rissillo's house. Ryan Rissillo, been nice enough to open up his doors for us to come in. That's what everyone would say. Like, forget that. We're going, we're banging down the doors. We're going into Rissillo's house.

We're leaving breadcrumbs when we walk out and cameras and lights and popcorn. Broken glasses. But we're going to have an awesome time with Rissolo's house. It's going to be a fun hang. We're going to do some of the review stuff. Talk about some of the topics. It's just going to be a fun couple of hours.

In the middle of the draft, when it gets a little bit old. Like, and now we're down to, like, slippery tech left guards. The disrespect. No, it's not disrespect. That was the old Richmond coached. The guard disrespect.

Slippery tech. We're going to be there from three to five. Then on Sunday, we're coming back in, in the morning. I think Marissa and Tucker are working it out right now. Tucker said he wanted to come in early. He's got big plans. Big plans. He's got a big Sunday planned.

Home Depot, bed bath, and beyond all of it. So we've got to get in early Sunday. But we're going to knock that out, but it's going to take a while. Like everything we do, it's going to take a while. Because we're going to go to all 32 teams, and we're going to dive in and let you know what really happened. So for now, I just want to kind of not hit some teams that jumped out to me, that things they're doing the way they're structuring it. And I want to start with the Cleveland Browns.

My goodness, Cleveland. Like, hats, nod, Andrew Barry. The easy thing to do is to stay at two and take Sho Hayatani. And at the time, I was like, good on you, onions, kiyans. And it did take onions and kuyans for James Gladso to move up. But he also, while he was grabbing the onions and kuyans, he was also given away, it was a heist. And Cleveland was on the receiving end of that heist.

And they got Mason Graham. Carson Swessinger, I like him. I see the role. It was early for me. But then Quinchon Judkins, at running back, the power that they want to have. Now we're a power football team with Miles Garrett and adding Mason Graham and Swessinger in the middle helping out, who can cover in instincts and do a lot of those things. And now Harold Fanon in the middle of the field, we are building the guts of this team, man.

We're adding to the guts of this team. Now we get a weapon. Do you get two weapons on offense? You know what Harold Fanon is? Fanon is probably the best runner after catch in terms of like, I mean, I guess you could say Tyler Warren with a different style, but he is so productive after the catch, great ball skills. So now we got Judkins and we got Fanon after the two really good picks early on.

And the most important thing, folks, and yeah, I guess Dylan Gabriel is the most important thing is, we got a first rounder next year. So you get all of that. in a first rounder last year next year. Next team, Chicago Bears. Colston Loveland, Bears fans! Bears fans! I told you you were going to like it.

It's not exactly how I drew it up. But I told you the two tight ends were going to be available. I thought maybe there was a chance. Ashton Genty, I've been talking too much, Ashton Jenty would be there too. He wasn't. They tried to move up, presumably for him. But they got Colston Love him.

That's an awesome fit for what Ben Johnson is doing. Luther Burden. We talked about Debo Samuel. Another weapon. And now we've got the three interior offensive linemen. I just love what they're doing. And then the last guy on the shelf. Remember I told you the shelf was going to drop off.

And when it did it, it went, pshu. Right. The last guy on the shelf. After Ursary, after even Big Jonah, who's a guard. but after some guys, I knew. But on my list, it was Troppillo and then, yeah, Troppello, and then it was like, the numbers went down like 20, from like an 84 grade to like 69 or something.

Yep. And they got Trappolo who's going to be a starting right guard at some point. I'm starting right tackling, could be maybe a guard. Yeah. I like what they're doing. I'm surprised they didn't take three defensive players with the way you were talking the other day. They went out and got their guys.

three offensive players right to go. And by the way, don't miss the fact that defensive tackle is one of their most pressing needs, and they got Shmar Turner out of Texas A&M late in the second round. I think he's going to be a heck of a player for them. Yes. Did I not have that? You didn't mention it. Maybe you did have it.

But you got weapons for Ben Johnson. You got a young offensive tackle you can develop. And I love that they're not messing around. You have a young quarterback, a talented new, offensive-minded coach. We're not taking any chances with the offensive line. did great job through free agency, get another offensive tackle here,

and then get the weapons. Perfect for me. And then again, fill one of your greatest needs with a player late in the second round who I think is going to be a rookie starter. What did you think of Seattle's draft so far? The Millrow pick.

Let me pull up the other ones. I love the Millrow pick because they're the perfect team for it. Sam Donald's on a three-year deal. They don't need him to do anything early. I like Nick Iman Worry I think he's a really good fit for the scheme I love the player Elijah Royo

you might not look at that and be like maybe they don't need a tight end I'm sorry I just got to respond this is the funniest thing I've seen all day I needed a laugh I'm right back to you okay should I keep going or did you want to Who was it that just said Eli Betts on the chat

This is why I can't watch the chat I can't do both It's like texting and driving Eli Betts said the entire state of Boston is at I needed a laugh. I'm sorry, carry on. Oh, my God. The Arroyo pick I love in the middle of the second round, because you got no effect going into his last year,

and to me, he's just too good of a player to pass on. You know? Yes. You have to, like, you just take him there. This was a draft where it shows that John Snyder is planning always for the future and not just for a need, what we need this year, all that stuff. you could have easily got in another position

in the middle of the second round than tight end. They didn't have to do that. But he's too good. He's too good of a value to pass on. And do you love the idea that he finds another quarterback in the third round? It's the wolf plan. Since 2012?

I mean, he did in 2012 with Russell Wilson. Now he's going to do it again with Jalen Milrow. Yes. Yes, it's how he was raised. I said to you when they traded Gino, and I remember having this conversation we were writing something for the McShay Report, You got like, oh, it's nine here.

You actually have two minutes. You have two minutes, $1 to the McShay report. Google it immediately. One dollar, you get all the content. One minute. I'm looking at the official clock. Literally, 57 seconds. McShay report.

Let's go. Way too early mock draft. Sprint. And the entire review for all 32 teams. But I was talking to Dan. I mean, yeah, I was talking to Dan a while ago when we were reacting to the Gino Smith move. and I saw the accumulation of picks

and I went back to the Super Bowl that he built, the Super Bowl roster that he built, John Schneider. And I said they've been kind of plucking and dishing and doing. And I just get the sense sometimes you go back to what got you great. Right. And he was a, and I told you, I met him when Jim Nagy, worked with him, Green Bay. He's a scout.

He's a freaking scout, man. And sometimes it's just in your blood. Right. And it's like, give me more. picks. Let me move around the board. Identify a couple guys. He moved up for Emanwari. He got Elijah Arroyo. That's the timer. I set the timer for 9.2.1. Pacific. The McShay report. Now you've got to pay full bucks. Life's all about opportunities. Full bucks. Full bucks. Full bucks. It's official. New deal. New deal. It's called full bucks.

And faux bucks. It's four dollars. now for the month. Opportunity, preparation. You got to meet. Here we go. It's late. But it was all about John Schneider going back to his roots, and he was going to maneuver around this draft,

and it's exactly what I expected. And, of course, just throw in a quarterback. Talented young quarterback. Who's a value piece. Houston Texans. I kind of love what they did. And I want to pull. This damn tracker, man.

Can't click on a team. I don't love their last pick. I was lower on Jalen Smith and I think other people, but the first three are home runs. Home runs. Jalen Smith, he went where? Late third. 99?

Yeah. Okay. All right. Or 97 maybe, but yeah. I mean, they took my two favorite receivers. My absolute favorite. The teammates from Iowa State. Teammates.

Reunited. Feels so good. Jaden Higgins, wide receiver, 6-4 and juice. Ran in the 4-4s. We talked about them earlier today, folks. Great release package off the line of scrimmage. Runs, can run past you at that size, the 33-plus-inch arm length. Contested catches, 20 of them this last year.

Led the Big 12. Jalen, no. don't say it like that Jalen In the middle of the third, huh? I couldn't believe it. It was the steal of the entire draft. Everyone wants to talk about Chidor and the quarterback,

but when you get Jalen Knoll, and he's going to come in and he's going to break NFL cornerback's ankles with his routes and his savvy and his 439 speed and his explosion. And yeah, it's not the biggest catch radius, but I got that on the other side. Now those two complement each other. And by the way,

by the way i got nico collins he missed five games last year but he's coming back you know you're good thanks kristian kirk you traded for two christian kirk so now we like cj's got dude yes big and small we get two bigs two smalls are you concerned they didn't get any offensive lineman arreonti oh they did so yeah they got the tackle that's right that's my point when i saw this so now we got two weapons i was thinking guards but yeah i get two weapons And I get protection. Mm-hmm. And they've made a lot of moves on the offensive line.

They hit their... But Ursary is a right-and-left tackle. He eventually will be their left-tackle starter. Write that down today. Not now, not this year, but he can play maybe right. He can kick in the guard. I love his traits. That's Houston.

Nick Casario gave us some time on our show. Austin sit down with him. Let's not overlook the fact that when they got the 25 and you're looking for an offensive tackle or wide-received their values, not there. He knew the board. Get out.

He knew the board. So much of this is managing the boards. I watched a couple players get picked today. I'm like, yeah, they're good players. I said, we're in that auditorium. I'm like, take him in the fifth. Right. Good player in the fifth.

You've got to know the board that's part of that job when you're sitting in one of those 32 chairs. There were some guys that managed the board really well. He was one of them. I like New Orleans, man. And Kelvin Banks is not my cup. But he's plenty of people's cups. So maybe I'm just wrong on Kelvin Banks.

Maybe he's a lot better than I think. I see the talent. We'll see if it all comes together. Yeah, some of the guys went there, yeah. But Tyler Shuck, and I could make this the whole Shuck show. Jimmy Shuck, Cohn, and I don't care. Tyler Shuck is potentially starting week one. Yeah, I mean, it would be interesting to see how they handle that.

You could go with Rattler. He had lost all six of his starts last year, though. You're almost better just taking a swing with Shuck. I'm telling you, there's something to watch out for. And they sat there patiently. Yeah. Mickey Loomis. He's like, oh, yeah, you want to talk about me?

The wild card, the renegade. I was going to sit here in 40 and get my guy. And he did. And he got his guy. Vernon Broughton, eh, but Jonas Sanker. I love Jonas Sanker. That was another pick. That's why I had it.

Yonis. Yonis. Yonis. Yonis. Yonis. Yonis. Yonis. Yonis. Yonis, Yonis Sanker. Thank you. He is a, he hits. He thumps. and he's fast on a line. He'll bring some physicality. So you got better in the trenches.

You got your quarterback potentially. They could be the steal of this draft. I've been saying it since January. And you get some tough guys up the middle of that defense. How about your paths? I know you want to hear it. Yeah, I don't talk about him. I know you don't want to hear it.

Will Campbell's got short arms. I see it on tape. He cross his face and he's going to get beat. He's got to be a guard. He's going to get Joe Tuny to death. You said the same things. Yeah, but you whined about it. Trayvion.

I'm joking. Trayvion Henderson. You know what the deal is? Your guy. And maybe it's because I live in the market. I'm not a fan of any of the 32. But I do watch, like sometimes they're on more. Yeah, I have the ticket and all those.

And I just watch a bunch of slow dudes on the perimeter and skill guys in New England. Even when they were winning a lot, there was a bunch of slow dudes. news from honestly since Randy Moss left. Speed. So they got their offensive. You have one, one asset above all others. I've said it before.

The Kraft family knows this, this organization has three asset, like major assets. The cornerback, Christian Gonzalez is third. The head coach Mike Vrable is second. The quarterback Drake May is first. So let's take care of the number one asset. Let's protect him with Will

Campbell. Right. Let's protect him with Jared Wilson. I'm curious in a second to get that. But then let's give him speed. Let's give speed that New England, that people in Foxborough going to the hardworking ladies and gentlemen from the New England area descending on Foxborough, Massachusetts going down Route 1 dealing with the nightmare traffic and everything involved. They haven't seen speed in their color jersey in so long. And Henderson's a four, what a four, 4-1-152-10 split burner. Close your eyes, Patriots fans. Do it with me.

Think about the last time you saw an individual in a Patriots jersey get a screen pass against the top flight defense and run 70 yards into the end zone. You can't, right? Well, Henderson did that against Texas. And the college football playoff. And he's a nasty dude. And Kyle Williams. Kyle Williams can run.

run and he's and he's quick and he's just he's he's he's something that he's got juice Wilson I think he's so underrated he he's a one-year starter I think I wonder that scared teams off and if you look at New England we're going to play him you sign Garrett Bradbury to play center you got Cole Strange who was a first round pick in 2022 he might be the guy that they're there looking for some competition Michael went who kicks back inside where he's a better fit he plays tackle and guard he's a better fit on the inside. I don't care. Figure out a way to protect Drake May. Do whatever you have to do. Your best five. Weapons? Offensive line. Yeah, have options, man. I think that's, it's a great problem to have. If the Newland Patriots,

if you told Newham Patriots fans a year ago that now they would have too many offensive linemen, they were trying to figure out to get the best five in the field, they would have been stoked. Yes. Stoked. Can I say this really quick, though? Yeah, yeah, we have eight minutes. I loved Quinchon, Shuckins went first, went ahead of Henderson. I think we both had Henderson. Absolutely. But I love where they land.

Juckins goes to Cleveland where they need a primary ball carrier, a guy who can carry 25 or 40 carries a game. A guy who's a lot like Nick Chubb. 40 carries you. What is it, 1992? I'm telling you. That's the kind of thing you could do with him. Well, yeah, if you want it.

We're not, he's not going to average 40, but I'm saying. Well, honestly, in Cleveland, he might have to. That's my point. You're going to have, with Joe Flacko quarterback, you're going to have to get downhill with that running game. He can handle a heavy, workload. That's not Henderson. Henderson's like you've said a million times. Jamir Gibbs. He's kind of that complimentary piece. You send him to New England where they have Stevenson who had an

underwhelming year and needs to stop fumbling. But if you can get, if you can get Stevenson back to where he was two years ago, and I think Mike Freeable is kind of the guy who could do that. If you get him back there and you have those two backs complimenting each other and then Antonio Gibson has a third, watch out. All right. Patriot shows over. Giants. I was talking about the Ohio state backs, but go ahead. We get seven. We get, we get, we get, we get, we get, we get, get seven minutes left. I want to rip through a few teams. Tell me if something jumps out, cut me off, and tell me if there's another team that you want to cover. The Giants, I love what they've done, and it's fairly obvious. And I talked about it ad nauseum yesterday, so I don't

want to bore you with Joe Shane doing his job, Brian Daibold being allowed to do his job, picking the quarterback, Shane managing the whole thing, and hats off to John Mara, letting his football people make football decisions and working it out. Whatever went on, and no one needs to know. Like any good organization, there should be strife. There should be a strong opinion, very intelligent people, know what they're doing. Who cares how it got done? It got done.

They got Abdul Carter and their quarterback in Jackson Dart. But the reason I put them on this list to talk about today, Darius Alexander, I did not think he'd get to round three. And I liked that fit for the giants who've got edge guys with Burns and Tibado. and Carter and now Darius Alexander and can use them like 20 snaps a game as a rookie. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah.

Never have enough rushers against Jaden Daniels. Jalen Hertz, Dak Prescott, like this makes football sense to me. Chargers, Joe Ortiz. Yeah. Love the man. Love the picks. Omari and Hampton. second best back in this class,

he's going to have to pound the rock for that Jim Harba offense. Jim's decided. Jim's decided that we're not getting beat the way we got beat. We're going to pound the rock more. We're going to protect up the middle and let our long levered quarterback. When he makes throws, make impact throws. And Trey Harris, and we don't always have to make throws 15, 17, 25 yards down the field. We can make three and turn it into nine.

He's a Harbaugh player too. He's rugged. Rugged, big, physical. I know you love Trey Harris. And I even like Jamari Caldwell fitting that scheme. It's a little early, but they need to short-up. This is the thing. You had him there? I had him way down the board.

I thought there were better defensive tackles available. But he's great against the run. That's what I'm saying. Great against the run. And they need to shore up the run defense. I'm just not sure how good he will be against the past. He had six and a half sacks two years ago at Houston. But he went to Oregon and had no sacks.

This is going to be a more physical. team that looks a little bit more like Michigan than it did last year. Right. There's, I guess, my point. A little more of his identity. You can say Michigan, you can say old. Stanford, 49ers, all. This is, he's starting to put a stamp on it.

Big physical. And Hortez is helping him get there. Correct. Correct. That was my whole point in this. They are rolling in the same direction. Exactly. Vegas.

I mean, it's perimeter guys and big play guys and all that. It's Vegas, baby. Ashton Genty, though. call it whatever you want. Call it. Do they have the luxury? Like Pete Carroll's here to win. We told you from the start. Jack Besh,

pick 58, exactly the value we thought you would come off the board. It's going to be number two, number three. He's going to be a possession guy, tough, block his ass off, all the things. Dary and Porter, is there more like, is there a better fit?

My concern is I think they need a guy to start right now. But if you get Porter to where he can go, If Rick Wollen can start as a rookie in Seattle after that garbage tape I watched of his at UTSA. That tape was not, hey, I'm ready to go start in the NFL. That's like, oh, we're in a year. Maybe we'll get him in a sub package and then work them in. He's got a plan. They've got a plan for him.

Buffalo Bills. Love Maxwell Hirston. They needed a corner desperately. I don't know how in the world Hirston fell to them there. If he's able to stay healthy, I know slender frame all of that. But I want you to take the floor here because these are two guys. and especially the first, okay? Yeah.

I think I'm right. They're both picks, 41 and 62. Is that right? The defensive tackles are right? Yeah. T.J. Sanders and Shmar Turner, right? For Buffalo. Is that right?

Hold on. What are you saying now? I thought you're talking about the other two. T.J. Sanders is a Buffalo pick at 41, correct? Yep. Okay. And Turner was for the Bears. Ah, I was going to say that.

That was fascinating to me. Maybe not. So, all right, so carry on about T.J. Sanders. And I'll clean up the mess. I went on a long rant about how I think that T.J. Sanders is a first round pick. And the reason why I think that is, because he's a little undersized, but he can win in so many different ways. He's scheme versatile. He can two-gap.

He can one gap. He's got really good hands. He gets in the back field. I think he's got some upside as a pass-rusher. He ended up going in the ninth pick in the second round. Not that far off, man. Yeah. So I think they got a-

He's your guy. Yeah, they got a really good player there. And I think Landon Jackson... Landon Jackson in the third round, you thought... You think he's a little... He's got a little tougher against the run. I think you have to... I don't think he's the toughest run defender in the world.

Right. He didn't end up in a 3-4. I thought he could play a 4-E and a 3-4 and defensive end of base 4-man, which is what he ended up in. I'm kind of a base 4-3. But either way, I actually like him with his hand out of the dirt.

And you have to protect against Bosa getting hurt again. I know they signed Bosa to start off to say Greg Rousseau. Greg Rousseau is awesome. Awesome. But if Bosa stays healthy and you have Landon Jackson now as your third, I mean, that's a, to get him in the third round, I think is a great pickup. And then Malachi Starks, Mike Green at 59 in a market. I'm glad you said it. It's okay.

Mike Green, 59. Like, Baltimore, like, it's just not. I didn't want to bring it up because I feel like. There's not a lot of headaches, and we don't have to get into all the other stuff. Mike Green is one of the 20 best players in this entire draft class. There's never been any charges. I don't know the backstory. I know it just became a media issue, and hopefully Mike Green has never done anything to hurt another female,

and hopefully Mike Green never does anything to hurt another female. I would only bring it up, I only bring it up because he brought it to the national attention of the media at the combine, but the bottom line is at 59, there's a risk reward, and at that point, Baltimore felt comfortable. I'm certain, and I know we know a lot of people there. Like, no, the background checks are as good as everyone, very comfortable with the situation. And a lot of this is about press, too, and how you're going to manage it. And at 59 in Baltimore, this works.

And all of a sudden, they, of course, Baltimore gets Malachi Stark. Unbelievable. At 27 and Mike Green at 59. Unbelievable. I'm not an Emery Jones guy, but I don't hate him there. I don't hate him late in the third. Late in the third. What about Washington?

What about? Picking late. They only had two picks. Yep. And they ended up getting Oregon offensive tackle, Josh Connolly, the end of the first. I love that. And Ole Miss Corner, Trey Amos, who a lot of people thought could go at the end of the first. Late in the second.

I was talking to some folks. They had home runs on both of their picks. Washington. I was like, you know, this is a new territory for you guys. I hope you're patient. I hope you learn from some of the other organizations and not necessarily Howie. But Baltimore, I gave as an exam. example. I said they're not far away and I hope that you I hope that your organization and I also

praised everyone from the from the ownership on down what they're doing in Washington is nothing short of remarkable undoing what that horrible human being Daniels. Yeah. Culture is an overused word I think but it's a thing. It is a real thing and nothing more is more true and and they they were patient and they waited and now they get two damn good football players that organization is ascending like A rocket ship. I mean, you guys are awesome and we're not bad in return. You got to admit. You've got to admit.

I mean, like, it's past midnight and we're still grinding. We're still knocking it out. Love spending time with you. Thanks for spending time with us. I'm sorry that I was stale and boring. It wasn't the Mench Mafia. Doesn't like it when Mench isn't around. And I understand it because I,

I don't either. I love this man. And we love doing this for you guys. And we will be back tomorrow. Hey, come. If you're still there, look at me right now. Give me that camera. Give me that camera.

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