The McShay Show - Mailbag! Ohio State WR Rankings, the Rams’ Plans, a Sorsby Update, and More.

Episode Date: May 21, 2026

Welcome back to The McShay Show! Today, the guys are answering listener-submitted questions from subscribers of The McShay Report.(00:00) Welcome to The McShay Show!(03:20) Dan: What's the latest on Brendan Sorsby?(08:00) Kevin: Will Sonny Styles break Washington’s curse?(11:10) Thomas: What is Sean McVay’s long-term future with the Rams?(13:40) Austin: Was Jadarian Price really worth the no. 32 pick?(17:65) John: Where does Carnell Tate rank among recent Ohio State WR prospects?(19:35) Max: Why was Jeremiyah Love viewed differently by Arizona and Tennessee?(22:30) Kyle and Anthony: Did the Jets accidentally find their franchise QB?(26:55) Matt: Which Colts rookie will make the biggest impact?(31:20) Austin and Brian in Boston: How does Caleb Lomu’s drafting affect Will Campbell?(35:20) Preston: Could the Panthers already be eyeing the 2027 QB class?(38:30) Matt and Kevin: What should Buffalo expect from T.J. Parker?(41:45) Douglas: How quickly will Cleveland know what it has in Shedeur Sanders?(45:55) Steve: What would make Nate Boerkircher’s rookie season a success?(50:10) Camron: What role will Jaishawn Barham play in Dallas?The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit https://fanduel.com/playwithaplan to learn more about the resources and helplines.Host: Todd McShayGuest: Steve Muench and Daniel ComerProducers: Tucker Tashjian, Conor Nevins, and Daniel ComerSocial: Abou Kamara Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

It feels like we're in that point of the spring where it's time to put a pin in the 2026 NFL draft, but not quite yet. You've got questions. We've got answers. Today's the mailbag portion of the McShea show, and we're fired up for it. And guess what? Just 343 days until the NFL draft. You good, Munch? I'm great, man. Roll that beat, Tuck.

I've gladly Mench been allowed myself to be stripped of some executive decisions on this show. I'm divvying out more responsibility to others. You're maturing. I'm maturing. And I think after like 18, 16, 18 months of just screaming from the mountaintops that we're here, it's time to advance our show, make it a better hang and utilize the resources that we have at the ringer and Spotify. I did make the executive decision to talk to executives about, let's get Dan on the show. Send him a camera.

It may be the worst decision I will ever make, or it may be something that expands our show and adds a little bit more character and fun to it. Really building up Covers' confidence before we bring them on. I love it. We're like the military here. You got to beat down before you build up, you know? Yes. So welcome in, Dan.

We're pumped to have you on the show. There he is. Yeah. And Dan was, if you follow the show at all. all. You know, Tucker is the man who, like, he's the Wizard of Oz. He makes everything happen. Tucker's the favorite. Then it's Mench. Yeah. I think people are trying to figure out, do they love Dan yet? Or what's his role? Is it like Regis and Kathy with whatever his name is, the producer? Or is it like, is he, is he Mike Ruiz, Michael Ruiz from the Lebitard show? You know, like, we're going to find out. Now it's up to him. Now he gets to make his own, create a, his own path, if you will. So, Dan, welcome on the show, brother. Thank you, Todd. Thank you for that

intro. I'm here to do some mailbag stuff. So we can, you want to jump into it? Are we ready for some mailback stuff? Well, I have a quick question. You did have, that's the, hey, Mitch, that's the producer right there. Like, yeah, yeah, not so fast, my friend. Did you, you had to get a camera for this, right, a special camera? I did, yeah, 4K, 4K, cool. Do you think we can invest in like a light that maybe makes you look like you're not? In like a hostage situation? Yes. Boing three times.

Yeah, maybe a lamp of some sort. Well, so when Tucker and I did the lighting yesterday, we tested it like five o'clock. It was perfect, perfectly bright, golden hour. Yeah, the magic hour. Yeah, not as nice here. We thought out it'll be good. We rolled up and it's just a gray day in Los Angeles. So not too sunny in here.

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Mailbag. What do you got, Dan? First one for you, what is the latest update? And this was from Dan in L.A. What is the latest update on Brennan Sorosby? Filed an injunction against the NCAA wants to play. But then there's the supplemental draft looming. What's going on?

Yeah, there's going to be a lot of legal jargon. Okay. There's going to be, you know, basically what Sorsby and his and his lawyers and support staff are coming to the table with is that it's, this is mental health and that he clinically, you know, checked himself into rehab and in the gambling. We've now, you know, there's, there's been information coming out as. these documents are turned into the court. They become, you know, public to a certain degree. And we're talking about, like, not hundreds, but thousands of bets. And, like, Turkish, I don't even, Turkish basketball and all, you know, so, like,

and what they're claiming is that it was, you know, a mental health issue. And that so, and that will, it will irreparably harm Soresby to not play this season. So this is going to go back and forth. and then the NCAA comes back and issues a statement. The NCAA has not received a reinstatement request for this case. The NCAA generally doesn't comment on pending reinstatement requests, but the association's sports betting rules are clear, as are the reinstatement conditions when it comes to betting on one's own,

and it goes on and on. So that doesn't sound very encouraging, by the way. No, no. When it comes to betting on one's own team, these rules must be enforced in every case for the simple reason that the integrity of the game is at risk. So that's what was stated, and that's going to be the back and forth.

One side's argument versus the other side's argument. The interesting part from where we stand, sorry, I mentioned. No, go ahead. The interesting part from where we stand as a, you know, a college football, NFL and NFL draft show is how is this all going to play out? And so for Sorsby, you've got NFL teams now. I don't want to say scrambling, but like investing resources and time into what's the timeline?

When can we, if he is part of the supplemental draft, when can we meet with him as a workout opportunity, interviews, all of that, right? And then you've got Texas Tech who's fighting its own suit and has its own set of lawyers that are trying to get Soresby back because they've invested six million in them. So with all those things said, the most recent update is, as of Tuesday, that Adam Schaefter in an ex post, supplemental draft paperwork is due June 22nd and the draft likely would be at the end of July. And we told you early on that it's kind of a, it's not set in stone. It's typically something will happen in June.

And sometimes at the end of June there would be a supplemental draft. It's been three years since we've had one. It's been a long time since anyone's been drafted. We went through all that with you on earlier shows. But that's the timeline. So essentially this case is being heard. The wheels of justice are moving quickly. everyone involved wants an answer

so they can move on and figure out, okay, what are the next steps? Yeah, that June 22nd date is what jumps out to me. Like, they've got to get some stuff figured out by then. So it looks like this will move, we'll move quickly. And I wonder what the rules are. Like, once you file a paperwork, are you in?

Is there no backing out at that point? It's going to be interesting to see how quick this moves. Yeah, and we're sitting here on May 21st, and we're talking one month away. And so there's, And we saw, even with, and I know it's a different case, but there are some similarities in terms of like timelines and legal operations and procedures that with Trinidad Chambliss, right? Right. And how and how that got to a point, as we warned, where there was no turning back.

And Chambliss had he not been reinstated at that point, very likely would have had to file to be in a supplemental draft rather than the 2026 draft, which was held last month, just about a month. ago today. So, right. Hope that answers your question, Dan, from L.A. I think it did. All right. Let's move on to the actual questions. This one's from Kevin. I'm a huge commander's fan who has been hurt too many times by first round disappointments on defense.

Tell me why Sonny Stiles is different. I mean, there's a lot of reasons why Sunny Stiles is different. Let's talk traits for a second. You're talking six foot four, or six foot five, sorry, six foot five, 244 pounds. you're talking about a guy who ran a 4-4-6 at the combine, had a 43-inch vertical jump, had an 11-2 broad jump. These are elite, elite, elite, record-setting type numbers, right? Safety, his first year at Ohio State,

second year got better and better as a season progressed. Third year became one of the elite defensive players in all the country and was on a defense with R.Vell Reese and Caleb Downs and was every bit the star, one of the three stars of that defense in their own right, right? I had them as, I mean, we had them, I don't want to say consensus, mentioned you can chime in on this, but had him as the number three player in the entire draft class behind just Jeremiah, my love, and Arbel Reese.

I think that highly of them using off the ball lineback. You're talking about elite range, elite top five players. Yeah. Top five player, right? The wingspan, hard to throw around, all the things you look for, and this underrated element of his ability to get turned loose as a blitzer. what does that all mean and why won't he be a bust? Dan Quinn's defense has always thrived when it has a like speed athleticism at that Mike

linebacker spot, right? That inside linebacker spot. You go back to Dion Jones in Atlanta. They had the undersized like 210, 215 pound guys in Dallas. Like this defense needs speed there. There's also this twist where where the commanders hired new defense. coordinator in Durante Jones, right? And he comes in to bring more flexibility.

And how does he bring flexibility with multiplicity in terms of personnel? And this in Sunny styles, a lot. So he's accomplishing two goals. And Bobbi Wagner is one of the all-time greats. Wagner wasn't for Washington last year, what he was even in Seattle before that. So, like... Time gets everybody, man. Like age catches up with everyone.

Father time. There's a Hall of Famer probably, but like he's at the end of it. Long short on it, not only is he a superstar athletically. He is a perfect fit for what Quinn has always done and now to advance that defensive scheme. And I think the thing, too, to keep an eye on, like he's a rookie. It won't be surprising at all, knowing his intelligence, the IQ. I told you the executive I talked to, he's like, this guy's going to run his own company. He's going to be a CEO.

He's that smart. he's got his stuff together that much. That he's like the green dot for this defense. He's going to bring so many elements to that defense. I find, like, Manuel Forbes was a reach. I mean, Davis was a reach. Chase Young was a disappointment. I just don't see that happening here with Stiles.

All right, moving on to the next one. I'm going to go back to Todd on this one. By drafting Ty Simpson with a 13th overall pick, do you believe that McVeigh will prolong his coaching tenure with the Rams. This is from Thomas. He better. I think the old adage of the chicken, was it the chicken

before the egg? I think it was the chicken, not the egg here. I think everyone was stating because there's been rumors and speculation and I think there's been honest, legitimate thought process going on from McVeigh that maybe he

doesn't want to be a life. I know this. How about this? I know that McVey is looking at his career a little bit different than maybe a Belichick and, you know, someone who's just going to be a lifer, right? And almost maybe to the, I don't want to say the day they die, but like to the very, very end, till they physically mentally cannot coach any longer, right? I don't think that's in McVe's future. I think that he's, he's always had an outlook of I'm not going to be doing this when I'm 60 something years old. But that doesn't mean he's not going to, what is he? I don't know, 45, 43.

I don't even know what is he. But that doesn't mean he's not going to be doing it in his late 40s, early 50s. And so why I say this is the chicken, not the egg, I think this was a decision made in we have an organization to run. He's only 40 years old, dude. 40, yeah. So. Crazy.

So even if he's coaching at 46, he's a baby. Right? Yeah. The absolute baby. And six years from now, Matthew Stafford's not going to. So this was, let's have a transition plan. And we saw with Green Bay, with Aaron Rogers to Fav and love to Rogers. Like, Philadelphia, you know, like, let's draft the next guy because the best time to draft a quarterback is when we have one.

And that's exactly what they did. And I know that Les Sneed and McVeigh were lockstep on this decision despite the interview right after. where McVeigh was very clearly trying to send a message to the locker room that this is not about us. You know, there's no question who the leader is. This is not about us for like even next year. Like we are very much, this train is rolling fast. And the rookie is going to have to come on and play his role in the caboose, you know? All right.

This one's from Austin, Seahawks fan. Doesn't the, and I'm going to go to Mitch with this one, doesn't the Derryan-Price pick feel like some sort of mismatch between his individual talent compared to the rest of the market. I just can't over, I can't get overtaking him at number 32, and guys like Emmett Johnson and Jonah Coleman went on day three. Is the gap really that large? No. I mean, Austin knows ball, man.

And I struggle with this because of my respect for John Snyder, the GM for the Seahawks. But this is still, this is one that's sticking with me of I just don't get it. And it feels like reaching to fill a need. you let Kenneth Walker go. Zach Charmone is coming off in the injury, and I know that Cam Acres never really lived up to his potential, but they cut him as well. I do like the Emmanuel Wilson signing.

I think that's a sneaky signing. He's a bigger back that can eat up some carries, but I look at this and I think, I don't understand even the fit. Seattle ran the ball, they had the third most rushing attempts last year. Now you have a 205 pound back with not a ton of depth around him.

Is this the guy that can, carry that kind of a workload. He's never done it before. I don't think he's really built to do it. I think Judarian Price has a chance to be an outstanding number two complimentary back. If there was someone that I think that the ceiling would be, the ceiling would be for him, it's like Travion Henderson. And I like Trayvion Henderson better coming out of Ohio State. He went in the second round, and he's a guy that is really a number two who complements Romney Stevenson pretty well in New England. So to me, this is one that's going to stick with me. This is the more that I don't. I get you.

I do, I get you. And I'm not saying you're alone, but I do think that the majority of people in the league viewed him at Vugedarian prices. Like you'd like to get him early mid-second, right? Okay. And Schneider has since come out and said, we tried to move back.

And there was just, there wasn't a deal that was reasonable. And when we picked late in the second round, we ain't getting him. He's going to be gone. And so it's kind of, it's knowing them, I hear you,

I hear you. Just hear me. But to Austin's point, is there a big difference between getting Judarian Price or I like Mike Washington coming out at Arkansas who's built to carry the ball 20 times a game if you need him to do that? Like that's the point I think that Austin's making and the one that like really resonates with me is yeah, he might not be there. But you take the chance because he's just, it's just too much to give up for that kind

of player at the end of the first round. And you can start to look at him and be like, compare him to the other backs. I think he was the second best back in this class. I agree with that. And so you're looking at it maybe that way. But what other players, what other positions could they have addressed with a 30 second pick? And that's, I think, the better way of looking at it. Can you get better along your offensive line?

I mean, whatever you want to look at, that's what it comes into me in terms of managing the roster. Like, if you miss out on Judarian Price because you waited until the second round, I think that's more acceptable or better to me. than reaching to get him in the first round because like Austin's saying, the drop in talent isn't that substantial. There is a big gap between Jeremiah Love and Jerry Price. In your opinion.

Yes, my opinion. Correct. I think, I think Jonah Coleman is closer, but that's my opinion. Right. 100%. But that doesn't mean that that's the Seahawks opinion

or John Schneider's opinion. So anyway, moving on. I hear you. Sorry. I hear you. And I love the fact that you're sticking to your guns. I just, I also want to represent,

um, the reasons why. Like Schneider, Schneider didn't wake up and, and take a stink of a pill. You know what I mean? Like, no,

that's why I struggle with it. You're right. Listen, I said that out of the jump. I've said it before. I'm going to continue to say it. Like, it makes me hesitate to say it.

But this is what I see. I look at their roster. I look at the way they run their offense. And I look at the player. And, It's not a great match. It's not a great value. And that's what's concerning to me.

All right. We're going back to Minch on this one. Where would Cornell Tate rank among recent Ohio State first round wide out prospects? So I wanted to out of the gate go back and kind of just rank him how I remember him and realize quickly that I was going to put JSN way higher than we had him coming out, which isn't really accurate. So I just went back and looked at our grades. There's been six Ohio Statewide receivers to go in the first round over the last five drafts.

They're Marvin Harrison Jr., who we gave a 95, the highest clearly. Garrett Wilson, we gave a 93. Carnell Tate, we gave a 93. I would have Garrett Wilson ahead of Carnal Tate, but right there. Then Chris Alave, 91, Jackson Smith and Jigba, 90. And then this, I want, there's an asterisk on this one, obviously, Mesh. A mecca, Buka, I gave an I. 87. Todd and I were, we had different boards at that point. So I went with my grade,

which was an 87. I think Todd probably had a 98 for him. I don't know. Todd, you can speak to that. Um, 90. I think it 90. I think it 90. He's right. He's right in the middle. He's right in the middle. He's third out of six, uh, which I think is pretty damn good. He's a good route runner. Uh, he obviously went a lot higher than some of these other guys, but that's just the way the draft was this year in terms of talent at different positions. You know, if he was in a different draft, he probably would have gone after Garrett Wilson, who went later.

So there's all that that comes into play. But when we're looking at their grades, how we felt about them as prospects coming out, Carnell Tate was third of the six to go in the last five years. Okay. All right, we're moving on to Max. This one's going towards Todd. As a Cardinals fan,

how come the national media was celebrating the possibility of the Titans selecting Jeremiah Love, but considered it too early when the Cardinals did it. Maybe I missed out on that. We were busy, obviously, watching Tate and tape and working sources and setting boards and everything else. I don't know that that's exactly true,

but if it is, I mean, and you certainly feel that way, Max, I think it's because Tennessee has a young quarterback, right? And they have their guy. I think it's because Tennessee has an offensive line that is improved. I think Tennessee has an offensive coordinator that is proven, not saying that LaFleur isn't. He certainly is. But it feels like Tennessee put a lot of pieces together.

I think it's because Tennessee, quite frankly, like they spent a lot of offseason resources on the defensive side. I think Tennessee did a better job in the offseason. and in the last year of getting this roster, I don't want to say in shape, they're not ready to make a playoff run in my estimation, but I think they can like be hanging around. I think in December, like Tennessee can be like,

wow, they're only two games out, you know what I mean? And have a trajectory of we've got this thing rolling the right way. Whereas Arizona, like Tennessee in 2025, like the run blocking with Kevin Zitler coming in and some of those younger guys starting to improve. Like this group, they had a pretty good, not great, about middle of the pack, run blocking unit, right? Arizona, now, again, go back to chicken and egg,

like obviously the injury, James Connor and all of that, but with the run blocking metrics, and if you watch them on, like, their run blocking took a massive hit a year ago. So now you look at this organization that doesn't have its quarterback. It feels like, it feels a lot like Vegas the year before. Now, Ashton Ginty still had, what did we say, over 1,300 yards from scrimmage. Right.

And I think Jeremiah Love is actually more talented than Ashton Jinty. And I would argue that Arizona is in better shape than Vegas was going into last year. In fact, I think it's borderline fact. So I think those are some of the reasons why, you know, just to answer your question, Max. But that doesn't mean, and I don't think we're, if you're Arizona, owner you're set up for great success this year. But I do think it could be a gentie-like experience where year two is better than one and year three you start to see, oh, that's why we took them in the top five. From Kyle and Anthony. Yeah, kind of a combo question. How do you expect the jets? This is a long one.

I'm just going to kind of rip through it. Yeah. How do you expect the Jets to get their two new rookie weapons, Kenyon Sadeek and Omar Cooper Jr., involved in the offense? And is there a realistic scenario where the Jets may have stumbled into their franchise quarterback in Kagan bin price. With Klobnik. All right, let's start with the studs. In digging into what Frank Reich, the new offense coordinator, might do. Traditionally, it's my understanding that he's run with a lot of, he's run a lot of 11 personnel, which means one back, one tight end, three wide receivers.

I think with Sadiq in the fold, you're going to see more 12 personnel, although this is a little bit of semantics. I'll get into this in the second. So they can get Mason Taylor and Sadiq on the field. The reason why I kind of say it's semantics is that I think that Sadiq's going to line up in the slot a fair amount. So you really have 12 personnel but looks like more of a traditional 11 alignment. I hope all of that makes sense. That being said, I think you're going to see more two tight-end sets for the Jets than maybe you would have thought with Reich traditionally.

On top of that, they need more explosive plays. I think Reich's going to be really, they've just committed, you know, they just signed the contract with Briseall. I think Reich's going to be really committed to the ground game. I think you're going to see them take some shots to Sadiq off play action. I think that makes just way too much sense. I expect him to get this ball to Sadiq on some tight-end screens. I think he's really good at that Oregon. I think he'd be really good at the pros.

Getting into Omar Cooper, Jr., what does he do best? I think he's outstanding after the catch. I'm expecting a lot of quick hitters. I mean, Reich runs a version of the West Coast offense where you got a lot of horizontal routes. He will mix in RPO's. you're going to see some quick hitters to Cooper Jr. that allow him to do what he does best, which is create after the catch.

If they can get those linebackers to jump up a little bit with the RPO and the play action and get him behind that second level, watch out because you can get some explosive plays that way too. I also think they can use Sadiq to do some of the same things. Again, Sadiq and Cooper both going to work out of the slot. So that's how I think they'll get them involved and how they'll use them.

As far as Klobnik is concerned, Realistic is an interesting word. Here's what has to happen for all of that to go down and for Clubnik to be your bargain bin franchise quarterback. He has to win the backup rolling camp, I think. Then you need Gino to either get hurt, which would be unfortunate, or play at such a low level that they decide to go with Clubnick.

You would need for that to happen early enough in the season for Clubnick to come in and have an outstanding run and somehow make the Jets competitive and maybe even a playoff team. And then you would have to feel so strongly about that performance that you were going to overlook the generational talent that's in the 2027 class. If it was a movie, McShay, you'd be like, eh, really?

I recognize what you're doing because you were asked the question, you have to answer it. But I think it also would require the league revoking the Jets, their three first round picks next year. You know what I mean? It's not really, I don't think it's realistic. Now, Kurt Warner was begging groceries and playing the Arena League, and all of a sudden he turns into to Kurt Warner.

So, like, strange things happen in the league. They do. I doubt it. I doubt it. Yeah. Yeah, the percentages are very low, but I appreciate you providing a path, you know? I try to be honest about it. Yeah.

He's got talent. That's the thing. Like, there was so much to like about the way he was tracking and progressing going into last year to the point where put him in the field. first round of the way too early mock draft and saw a lot of positive things. The hard part to wrap my head around and quite frankly, this is why they took a shot in the fourth round. Everyone at Clemson.

Everyone. It's hard to have nine players drafted and to have the season that Clemson had in the agency. Everyone from Woods to Parker except the offensive tackle. Blake Miller. Blake Miller, thank you. Except Blake Miller. I think everyone except Blake Miller showed some element of regression.

Antonio Williams was really good too, but was limited in what he could do. So that's where you're kind of backing in. All right, go ahead, Dan. Sorry. All right. This one's from Matt. We're going to Todd with this one. Which Colts draft pick are you most excited to see play, develop, and play and develop,

and which pick will have the biggest impact on this season? We've got a lot of people from the Colts fan base being like, y'all don't talk about the Colts. So this is a chance to talk about the Colts. Yeah, I mean, well, if you remember correctly right after the draft, I think on Monday after the draft, when we did our big recap show, I narrowed it down to three teams. Like I thought the Jets and the Browns just absolutely killed the draft, right? But then I went through a few teams, including the Colts, that if you just look at it from a value standpoint, what they started with, which was not a lot entering into the draft. seven draft picks, only two in the top 100, no first round pick. To walk away with the value that they did through the seven rounds,

I put them up there. Washington was another team. There were three teams, I think, that I wound up saying, like they got max value for what they came into the draft with, okay? I am fired up. Like the first name that popped in my head, and as I went back and reviewed to make sure there was nobody else, it remained the same name, third round pick,

Jay Halsey. Love him. I'm not saying he's going to be Bob Sanders, but my gosh, does this defense need a, like a face? A tone setter. Yeah. Like a guy that, and listen,

C.J. Allen is probably going to develop like the green dot and the stability and the leadership and his character and everything that you would kind of expect from a veteran coming from Georgia at linebacker would be. He's going to be all those things. And there was clearly, for Chris Ballard, the general manager, there was a clear emphasis on we got to get tougher, more physical, up the middle.

Like, let's be, the defense just hasn't had that, like, I don't know, the, like the tenacity and that, like, a couple faces where you're like, I don't want to go play this team, you know? And now you bring in CJL, but Halsey's 511, 21, 21, 859 tackles last year. Yeah, like we're going to have to protect him in some man-to-man stuff. And he's not going to be your deep center fielder. But look at their depth chart, man. Look at their safety depth chart.

It's frightening. And so this is a third round pick's going to come in. Plug and play starter, impact guy. I think he quickly becomes a, the communication leader of that secondary. Right. And I just, I love the impact. I'm excited to see how he develops, how he's utilized, but I'm also excited. to watch on Sundays when he's just knocking dudes out and he's flying around the field and he's

doing in the NFL what he was doing at LSU. And I think Colts fans are going to sit back and be like, that's my guy, like buying jerseys. You know what I mean? Like I'm a whole. He's got to clean up some of the angles. But yeah, I'm with you, man. And he'll play the ball a little bit. I think, I'm just going to say this.

I think they may have got three starters on defense. I think CJ Allen and Halsey are going to be starters. And watch out for Bryce Betcher. Fourth round pick, man. I wouldn't be surprised. maybe not this year, I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up being a starter for the cults. And when you don't have, when you, like,

when you're in the position that you just described, and you might get three starters on defense, pretty good weekend. And I would argue no team in the league had a better seventh round while everyone, you know. Here we go. I thought for sure that would be the first guy. We're cutting Kipers, pumpkin pie,

and people are heading out to the beach if you're in, you know, or hanging around. I'm telling you, Seth McGowan is going to be a guy that really helps with Jonathan Taylor taking some snaps. And yes, Dionne Berks. Yes, I was like, what do you mean, Seth McGowan? It is going to be, think about it, though. They got two guys that are going to impact the offense. Yeah.

And Dionne Berks is an explosive vertical guy who, even if he's their number four receiver, will add an element of speed and explosiveness to that offense. So I loved with Ballard and the Colts did. And Jaylin Farmer, I'm not as high, the guard. I'm not as high from Kentucky. and Colts fans, here you go. Here's your whole draft. Jaylin Farmer, I'm not as high as you were,

but he has the talent to start in the league, man. If he figures it out, he could be a starting guard. And right up the middle of both sides of the ball, you know? Yeah. All right, we're going back to Minch on this one. From Brian and Boston and Austin, how will drafting Caleb Lomu affect Will Campbell? Wait, is Brian from Boston and Austin?

Is this like a road trip thing? No, it's like Brian. It's Austin and Brian. It's Austin. and then it's Brian in Boston. But if I say Austin and Brian in Boston, it sounds like they're both from Boston. Our guy, Elio, used to do this bit

with trying to think. There were a couple other guys, and they would love to call places and be like, yeah, I'm calling from Austin and I want to, you know, I'm trying to figure out if we can get a delivery, you know, and they're like, Austin, we're in,

we're in We're in We're in We're in, no, Boston. Do you think I said Austin? Boston. So I'm wondering if this is trickled down. Yeah, this could be a thing. All right, we're speculating about a guy's, like, mental, like, reaction or mental strength here. And mental toughness, I'm kind of a little uncomfortable with it. I think that's what this question is, really. But I'm going to say this. I had concerns about Will Campbell's arm, like, I have no concerns about the man's competitiveness, the man's intelligence, the man's

overall mental toughness. And I really don't think Lomu's going to affect him other than another guy to compete with and I think that it will bring out the best. I think he'll be fine. I think the Lomu was drafted because Morgan Moses is a right tackle is

35 years old and they need depth along the offensive line and they need a plan for when Moses either the play drops off or he retires. So that's why I think Lomu was brought in. I really don't, again, I think Campbell from a mental standpoint, from a character standpoint,

is everything you're looking for in an offensive line. And don't give me this stuff about him, like, you know, how pissed off he was after the Super Bowl. I think that's more of a reflection about the competitor than it was him not being mentally tough. So to me, there's no reason for me not to believe Elliot Wolf when he tells us to Will Campbell's their left tackle going forward. Now, if Will Campbell has a terrible year, maybe that changes.

But right now, I think he had a pretty solid rookie season with some notable hiccups when you're going against Miles Garrett, good luck to anyone doing that, let alone a rookie. Obviously, he wasn't great during the playoff run, but he might have been banged up. I don't think them drafting Caleb Lomu was them, you know, panicking and saying, we need a replacement for Will Campbell. Just ask Elliot Wolf, you know, who stood me. I mean, why wouldn't I believe him? Right down the gun barrel of Steve Mensch, when he asked him an absurdly timed question of, is he your left tackle? And he said, Will Campbell is our left tackle.

Dean, beg me up, man. That wasn't that, that right? I am ready. Yeah, I have to come in on this. That was some capital J journalism by Minch. I got to say, we didn't come on there saying, hey, you know,

we'll ask you whatever questions you want. Like, I'm going to ask you the hard hitting ones that came out, by the way, like. Yeah, I take my advice from, from journalism school,

you know, yeah. When we're trying to create, maybe in journalism school, they didn't talk to you about like fireside chats. And like, let's, let's warm up the guests.

make them comfortable so we can have a conversation where we get a lot of a lot of information and just to share who they are and then we can get to some of the tougher stuff as we go on but um yeah i'm i'm glad that northwestern taught you to just come in and be a prick right away yeah the best part is we walked out of that room and i looked at todd and i was like that was pretty good right like you like he was like do you know how bad that could have gone like i totally misread mcshay's response i thought mcshay was like nice walking out of there was like dude thank god that wasn't like didn't ruin in the whole interview. Oh, man, we could get into it.

Love the question. It was the timing. It was great. To everyone in my house. It's not about what's happening. It's about the timing of it, you know? All right, moving on. Yeah, we could get into a whole capital J journalism, Patriots conversation, but we can,

we can move to the next one. Oh, okay. Here we go. Will the Panthers be one of the teams looking to draft one of the first round QBs in the 2027 draft? This one's from Preston. And if so, how does the. rest of 2027 and beyond look in terms of the rest of the roster for the Panthers this season.

This one's from Preston. This one will go to Todd. I think Dan Morgan, the general manager, is handling this situation brilliantly. Let's hand Bryce Young the fifth year option, right? Now we got them locked in through 2027. And then as we do that, let's publicly go out and state. And I truly believe that they believe this, but they haven't seen enough over a long enough period of time to go reward him with some one of these contracts that we're, you know, that's going to, it's going to impede our ability to continue to build around Bryce Young with the amount of money and the salary cap hits that are required for a Josh Allen deal, a Mahomes deal, you know. So, so brilliantly

handled by Dan Morgan. And listen, nobody wants. Bryce Young to succeed more than Morgan and the executives in that organization. That's the best path for all of this, rather than bringing in a rookie in 2027 and kind of feeling like you're starting over again, right? So that's what everyone wants. But let's not give away the bag and affect our ability to go and sign other guys in the offseason. Let's have a two-year run now or at least one more year, and we can come back to the negotiating table next summer,

which is what they essentially said, and see where we are. Because you got to remember, Bryce Young got benched in the middle of 2024. Before he got benched, guys, he threw 11 touchdown passes and 13 interceptions, and you could just see if you watched a half of football, the struggles that he was having.

Then he comes back from being benched and the season and a half since then. He is, what is it, 38 touchdowns and 17 interceptions. last year in 2025, career highs in passing yards, QBR, touchdowns. Like, the trajectory is headed there, but we haven't seen it long enough. So this is the play.

So could they be in the market? Yeah, this is absolutely a one-year contract-type deal. It's like no different than like a Joe Flacco type situation when he bet on himself for a year. Now, granted, you still have 2027 with him, but they're going to know at the end of next season what they have in Bryce Young. And I applaud them too.

Two of their three first, two of their top three picks in this draft were Monroe Freeling to help protect the quarterback. And Chris Brousel, a six foot four, 200 pounder who had over 1,000 receiving yards last year in the SEC and runs a 4-3-7. So they're, and after getting Tedderow and McMillan last year. So they're doing all the right things. But at the end of the day, Bryce Young's going to go prove, is he worth one of those deals? Or are we going to be in the quarterback market in 2027? All right. Let's move on to this, Madam Kevin.

What do you expect from T.J. Parker over his first two seasons in Buffalo? Did the bills do enough on the defensive line with the addition of him and Zane Durant? We're going to mention with this one. Parker is going to be interesting. I love that they signed Bradley Chub, but he's a guy who's had a hard time staying healthy. I think opposite of Greg Russell, that that's going to be, you know, I think it's going to be Chubb Parker. I think Chub's the starter now, the contract they signed, the talent that he has if he can stay healthy. But Parker's going to

rotate in. He's going to play a lot of meaningful snaps right away. I like his ability to stop the run. I think he's going to be a powerful edge rusher. Obviously, obviously high on him. Whether or not he's a starter or a top two guy will be interesting to see. I don't think it will start off

like that, but by year two, I wouldn't be surprised if he was the starter opposite Rousseau and Chubb moves into the number three role. It depends on, again, how healthy Chub stays and how that all works out. I love the addition of the player. in terms of did they do enough? This one's tough for me

because I think you have to look at it bigger picture of Zane Durant's not the answer here, man. I like Zane Durant, day three defensive tackle, he can be disruptive. That's not the guy that I really am looking at to see if a Bill's defense that gave up over five yards per carry last year,

5.1 yards per carry last year, is going to be better. The guy I'm looking at is T.J. Sanders, who they took in the second round last year and whether or not he can progress and turn into a dude who I thought he was excellent coming out of college, but did not play well last year. They need some of their younger guys to develop,

not just the addition of Durant. And honestly, I don't know, man. I love the names up front at Oliver and Dan Walker and T.J. Sanders. And now, you know, like, I like the names of front. And I think T.J. Parker is a guy who can set the edge for you, too. I think he's going to be tough against the run there. But I don't know. They got to play better than they did last year.

The names aren't enough. Like there's talent there, but they've got to play at a better level. This is a defense that they want power on the power, size, length on the edge, and they want dudes that are going to disrupt and make your life a nightmare between the tackles. Yeah, that's what Sanders was.

That's what Oliver is. That's what Durant can be at his best. But he fits the mold, no question. Oh, he fits the mold, or else they wouldn't have drafted him, right? But it's got to be so disruptive like a beehive coming at you that it gets a lion to retreat. And that's essentially what the mindset is.

We got the lions sitting there in 320 pound offensive linemen. Teams trying to run up the gut against you. And we're trying to do it by just in a different way, instead of holding gap. Like we want to unleash a beehive. so that it just creates confusion, you're getting stung all over the place, and you just want to retreat. And so they now, you know, they bring in a third guy, you know, that we're talking about right now, and they're just, they're going to want to rotate, keep fresh, and just keep stinging

you, you know? Yeah. We'll see. I don't know, man. Do we have more? Okay, we, all right. This one's from Douglas, and this is an interesting one. In terms of 2026, how soon will Todd Munkin know whether or not Chador Sanders can develop into a credible starter. And are there certain milestones throughout the season or in season where that evaluation takes place? Yeah, I mean, every Sunday, right? I mean, your performance review, if we're going to go corporate on it, your performance review is your tape on Sundays or Thursday night or Monday night.

But I also, like, here's what I know. Here's what I know. Every coach when you, you get to know a person by tape when you don't know the person. And so what Munkin is seen from Sanders is based, let's say, 70% off of what he's seen in tape. Colorado last year with the Browns. Then there's this element of, I promise you, the due diligence and calling everyone and trying to, get to really know, you know, but then at the end of the day, when you sit down in those meetings and you start to develop a relationship, how is that relationship go? And it's not about, hey,

we're buds, let's go, you know, grab some coffee together or let's let's go play around a golf. It's, is he picking up what I'm saying? Do I trust him? Do I trust him off the field? Do I trust him driving behind the wheel? Do I trust him the maturity? Do I trust him in interviews? Most importantly, do I trust that if I put an install in, is he going to pick it up and we can just keep this thing rolling, right? Then there's this weird element, man. This Deshaun Watson thing ain't going away for some reason. And in the back of everyone's mind is,

remember what he was in Houston? And then I keep going back to, it was part of what ownership in the hire of Munkin, was part of it, can you get a return on this investment because it's right now viewed at and rightfully so as the worst investment in sports history right the money they they gave to Dishon Watson and then subsequently what happened off the field and on the field in 2024 the product on the field was bad the off the field stuff is horrific worse like not worst case but pretty damn close and then

and then last year the injury. So like, I don't know. I just, I don't want, I'm going in with an open mind that anything could happen. This could be Deshawn Watson's team for a year or for a good portion of it. It could be Shador's. Deshawn could never get back to anywhere close to what he was, or maybe this is,

maybe Munkin is the right guy too, you know? So I'm fascinated. It's weird because you think of Cleveland Browns with Shador Sanders, a fifth round pick. and Deshawn Watson, like we're moving on. Everyone is kind of like, he's done, right? But for some reason, I'm probably more fascinated

with what goes on in the Browns training camp than about 28 other teams in the league because of that. And they've also built their roster around it. Like, they've actually got some players now. So now it's like, if you can figure it out. It's been in, and I can't remember how long. It's interesting, man. Maybe since we started quite honestly.

honest to God, this might be the best roster of the Browns have had since we started working in this business in 1999. You know? Yeah, I don't know. We'll see. It does still kind of feel like that quarterback's coming in 2027. I don't know. Yeah.

Right. 100%. But it's still going to be fascinating to watch what happens between now and a year from now, right? Oh, yeah. It's going to be popcorn. Get your popcorn ready. Let's go to Steve on this one.

This one is from SM. This one's from Steve. This one's for Steve. So this is Steve and Steve. Nice. Thank you. It seems like the entirety of draft-centric media was very critical of the Jaguars selection

of Nate Berkettcher at number 56. For Jaguars fans, what would constitute a successful rookie campaign to justify that draft pick? Notice mentioned he did a really efficient job with his pronunciation guy. Berkature? Yeah.

Is that right? Yeah. Absolutely right. Yeah. But what's the pronunciation? He's efforting. I'll get it to you. Yeah.

I'm going. A lot of a heavy vibe of it's not that hard boys. Yeah. And the ease in which he just, in bircature, you know. Right. Yeah.

I literally looked it up during the other question. I was looking it up during the other question. I was like, what is it? That actually tracks. I believe that. Also,

this tracks for you because you get you're like my son Tyler you get a compliment and instead of just taking the compliment you turn around and like somehow make it less you know what I mean like you've kind of ruined it by saying like you just did it you could have just not told us because I had a vision that he was like in the mirror had like really practice was getting ready for his his debut with a new camera there was the real care factor in this just a natural just a natural I think by the way we're trying to figure out where I'm going to land the fans are going to hate me the audience is to just hate my energy. That's all right. I think you're going to be an acquired taste.

That's not a... I mostly am. Yeah, usually. Yeah. No, I honestly do. I think it's like anything. I think it's like anything. Like, who's the new guy that is? I don't know. I don't like it. And I think over time, people will start to understand the dynamic here. And that's fine, too. I'm here for it. Go ahead. Acquired taste. This is great.

This first thing I'm going to say is, we'll get into it a minute. I'm not going to run away from how I feel about it. But I would urge Jaguar fans to be patient. Tray McBride from Arizona was a second round pick. He was a 55th overall pick in 2022. In his first season, he caught 29 passes. And I remember thinking, I love this kid coming out. Is he maybe not as good as I thought he was?

And then you've seen what he's done since then. He's really taken off and developed in one of the best in league. And I think other tight ends, like Elijah Oroyo didn't have the year I thought he was going to have for Seattle last year. Watch out this year. I think tight ends need a year, maybe two sometimes, before they really start developing. and really start like paying off for, you know, where you take them in the draft. So I would I would beg Jaguar fans to be patient with this pick. That being said, this is a tough one because when you, when the immediate attention is what it is,

and I'm in it, and you're right, Steve, like it is, the immediate attention here is that this was a massive reach. He is now going to be compared to every tight end that was taken after him on the first, we'll say two days of the draft. And these are the names. Marlon Klein from Michigan went to Houston. Max Claire from Ohio State went to the Rams. Sam Rouse from Stanford, Chicago, Oscar Delp, Georgia to the Saints. Will Kismarik.

There's a lot of names here. Will Kizmeric from Ohio State to the Dolphins and Eli Raritan from Notre Dame to the Patriots. If any of those guys, you know, have a great rookie season or blow up or outplay, it's always going to be we could have had that guy. We could have had Eli Raritan in the third round, but we reached for Boe Critcher. Oh, my God, I couldn't even say it. We reached for Boe Critcher at 56.

So what are we doing? He's going to be compared to those other tight ends, no matter what going forward now because of how much of a reach it was viewed. If we're looking at this outside of that bubble, what we're really looking for is a guy who can develop into a number two tight end. could be an excellent blocker or reliable receiver and it be one of the better number two tight ends in the league when you draft him that early. So that's what I would say outside the bubble. The reality is he's going to be compared to all those other players. And that's just that comes with going that early when people see you as a reach.

All right. Last question here. This one's from Cameron. Hey, fellas. Hope you're enjoying a little post-draft respite. I'm intrigued by the bar and pick for Dallas. Is he a day one starter for the captain? What kind of role do you imagine for him?

We'll go to Todd with this one. Well, let's start with this. He's a 6.3 and a half, 240 pounder who ran in the low four-sixes, who's got long-ass arms, like 34-plus-inch arms. Why is that important? Because he is a violent and versatile off-ball linebacker who can rush the quarterback. And you need that length. Honestly, both positions.

In coverage, the length is an advantage. and even more importantly as a pass rusher, an undersized pass rusher who can help get into guys' pads and keep guys, you know, this 34-inch left tackle, right-tackle guys, you know, arm-length off of him and have like a fair...

Going to Frank D. Felice, boys, need a hatchet and a hatchet fight. So he's got a hatchet, okay? That's new. I haven't heard that one. I mean, I could literally do a 40-minute show on Frank DeFalise. You would have to do it. Quotes.

played at Maryland and Michigan 193 tackles, 23 tackles for loss, 12 sacks and 82 pressures. It tells you a little bit about him. He can do it a little bit of everything. His tape was a blast, man. He plays the game exactly the way you want him to play. Now, what I love about this pick is

the Cowboys brought in D Winters. They've got to Marvin and Hare, Oversham. Overshone, yeah. Yeah. And so he doesn't have to start. And so if you're asking me, is he going to be a day one starter? Like, I don't know.

Probably not. But he's going to be a year two starter. And he's going to have a role in this defense. And what I also like about what Christian Parker, the new defensive coordinator, has done is, and he was from what I hear, like, not weirdly, like very, very hands-on with Barham and during the rookie minicamp and the limited. time they've had so far and OTAs are starting now. So because he has a clear vision.

And his vision is exactly what it should be in my estimation. And that is, listen, we know he can do a lot of things. Let's get him right. The thing that he is most natural, has the most experience at. And the place that we envision him having the bigger role, the biggest role. And that's an offball linebacker. So right now going into camp, when he goes into camp, he's going to be the third inside linebacker. And so does he work his way to that point? Well, Parker, I think, is hoping so.

And that's why he's working with, I mean, he's working with all these guys. But I think there's a vested interest in whether it's this year or 2027, him being the offball linebacker starter and another versatile piece because of that edge rushing ability that the teams are just coveting more so now than they ever have before. All right. That's a wrap. Tucker says we got a wrap, so we got a wrap. We'll have the overflow. I like this. Blake says we got a wrap. Yep, yep. See how it goes? You just point the fingers at the people behind the scenes and then it's, you know.

You learn from the best. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Hands off. We'll put some extra ones in a newsletter next week. All right. I like the way this thing rolled. Yeah, we've got a couple more shows coming up this or next week. As we transitioned to 2027, we fired up about it.

We got a newsletter coming up. If you don't subscribe already, you can go to. the ringer.com slash mcshay get all of our scouting reports from this past year's draft and we're now turning the page towards 2027 and um and on that on that page the ringer.com slash mcshay scroll down a little bit and you'll see the mcshay report that's where you can click on it subscribe we're going to kick things off for taking just a couple weeks to exhale but um we're going to start ramping some things back up and obviously as we get closer to the season we're going to be back in full swing so appreciate everyone's

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