The McShay Show - Mock Draft 2.0! Talking Top Five Picks, Jaxson Dart’s First-Round Buzz, and More!

Episode Date: March 20, 2025

Welcome back to ‘The McShay Show’! The guys are back to break down Todd’s post-combine mock draft. They start by breaking down different scenarios in the top five, then they talk running back value, potential quarterback trades, and other fascinating picks from the exercise. (0:00) Welcome to The McShay Show! (1:23) Todd's Mock Draft 2.0 is Out Now! (5:52) Mock 2.0: The Top 4 Picks are a Puzzle! (7:42) Shedeur Sanders to the Browns (24:40) Should the Giants Draft Travis Hunter or Abdul Carter? (39:13) Could Abdul Carter Fall to the Patriots? (46:45) Why Not Jeanty at #6 to the Raiders? (53:13) Jets Drafting Armand Membou or Tyler Warren at #7? (57:00) Saints #9: Jaxson Dart or the Field? (1:03:03) OL or RB for the Bears at #10? (1:09:52) Muench's Takeaways on Todd's Mock 2.0 (1:12:360 Most Likely 1st Round Trade (1:16:03) Subscribe to The McShay Report! Sign up for ‘The McShay Report’ to receive Todd’s Mock Draft 2.0 and other premium content throughout draft season. The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Host: Todd McShay Guest: Steve Muench Producers: Tucker Tashjian, Mark Panik, Conor Nevins, and Daniel Comer Social: Eduardo Ocampo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Lock drafts are time-consumer. But above all, mock drafts are a valuable exercise. And I get a little trade secret for you for everyone out there listening and watching, and we appreciate that you're doing so. NFL GMs do them too. They don't like to talk about it because there's such a stigma around the mock draft. But they do them. And yeah, they don't have all the text and the graphics and the different things and the bells and whistles that we have.

But they do them and they do them over and over again. They do them on phone conversations. I've done them with plenty of GMs, dozens and dozens of time, whether it's the top five picks, top seven. All right, let's get, it picks eight through, let's get to this range. They do them. It's a valuable exercise. And what happens is you're sharing information. You're working through it.

And for a GM, they play. out different scenarios. It's all about scenarios, right? It's not that different from being a quarterback in the league. It's film preparation, starting with self-assessment, then it's film preparation of the opponent. What are the reads I'm going to get when it comes to the game time? How do I then transfer it from the film room in the meeting room for the individuals and the offense to the field and practice? And then how do I transfer that from the field of practice during the week to the game and Sunday? And so, general managers do it to be prepared. So when something happens, two picks, three picks, five picks before them or one pick before them, they're prepared for it. They've seen it all, right? So I thought today, Mach 2.0 has dropped, if you will.

Macheteo and the McShea report, the newsletter is out. And I spent a lot of time this week. I talked to, I call them sources. I talk to friends in the league. What are you hearing? Let's walk through the scenario and do all that, right? And I want to walk through the scenarios and I want to do combination picks, okay? Because that's what everyone wants to talk about.

Well, if we do this here, what's going to be available in round two? You know, are we, if we, do we trap ourselves if we take a player from this position here, even though the grade is right up there, but are we better off taking a similar grade at pick number six, seven, eight, nine? and then pick 42, 43, 44, we're going to get a better value at the other position, right? So I want to go through scenarios and combos through some of these picks as we go through my mock 2.0. But first, we got a little housekeeping, as we always do, not much. The McShay report, Google it, Google it.

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we have all the conversations so that we can i don't this is kind of the payoff the fun part it's like all right now let's talk about it if this happens what it happens so i want to i want to break it into a sections today okay first of all at the top of the board not going to give away every single pick go read the go read the report please um but i want to go through a handful of picks and and quite honestly at this point in the process to me it's more fascinating what are the scenarios how could if this like sliding doors you ever see that movie dating my still fan it's kind of embarrassing that i want but like sliding doors like if you choose this path this is how your life's going to you know work out. Yeah. If you choose this path, though, it could be a whole different life. You could

turn out to have a whole different, you know, journey as people like to say these days, my least favorite word and the modern vocabulary. Um, your path. Tennessee at one. I don't think there's any secret or question and I'm not sitting here to trying to like bait people to go, but like we're not going to get into every single pick. If you want to go see it, you know where to get it. Uh, but I think it's obvious everyone's going with Cam Ward to Tennessee at this choice, right? So with that in mind, instead of, we have plenty, we've 35 days to discuss Cam Ward, his strengths, his weakness. We've done a lot of that before.

We'll do a lot more. And as we continue to get information, there will be times to stop down and talk about Brian Callahan, his development with Joe Burrow, what he can offer to Cam Ward, what Cam Ward has to offer to the Tennessee Titans organization. For today, though, I'm much more interested in, okay, what does this mean now? Right. Mm-hmm. So now you're Cleveland, and we spent the entire, not the entire, we spent about a half hour on last show. If you haven't checked it out, go to the YouTube page, Spotify page, Apple, you can listen, you can watch on those different outlets and any other place that you get your podcast.

But we spent a lot of time on why I think Shador Sanders is absolutely in play at number two. Right. And real cliff notes, purgatory with the salary cap because of Deshawn Watson, the cap isn't going to change next year either. They're not in the market this year or next or a big time free agent that can come in and solve a lot of these woes, right? Right. They also, if Stefansky, the head coach and Andrew Berry, the general manager, are to be, are picking this high again. if this organization is picking this high again next year and could be in a spot to draft a Garrett Nussmeyer or whomever the top quarterback is going to be a year from now, they might not have

their job. So there's like a we got to win enough now and have enough promise for the future in order to have our jobs, but what's also best for the organization. And so when we look at Shador Sanderson, too, Stefansky's one of a handful of guys in the league that can walk into the CEO's office with a resume that says, I can do it. Right? And that's what we talked about the other day. I'm not going to go into all the numbers, the 11 wins in one season with this guy, 10 wins in the next different season with Kirk Cousins and, you know, all the guys.

But pocket passers without great arms, without great mobility, who process fast, that's Shador Sanders. That's what Stefansky's won with. So it makes sense. But Cleveland's still sitting there trying to, figure out, all right, how are we going to do the winning now? Can he pick it is a good backup? Who knows? Maybe we hit on something there, but let's bring him in. But we hear a lot of Russell Wilson talking. We hear, you know, Kirk Cousins, right? And maybe potentially making a deal with

Atlanta to free them up of some of the salary cap stuff that they can't afford, but make it favorable to Atlanta at the same time with a draft pick compensation and or a player. Okay. So those are all the things that are on the table right now for Andrew Barry. The one thing Andrew Barry can't control is what Tennessee does with that number one pick unless he's willing to give up a ton to move up one spot and go get Cam Ward. And that would only be a possibility if Tennessee decides that Cam Ward's not their gag, which we're not tracking towards as we see it right now.

Right. So with all that said, I want to present to you this, Munch. You're Andrew Berry. You're the general manager of the Cleveland Browns. I've just explained you why Shador can work. Now, you have your own evaluation on Shador. You know his weaknesses. Okay.

As Cleveland does, they're picking it two. They pick, again, at the top of the second round, 33. And they also have two more picks in rounds three, in round three, in 67 and 94. So four picks in the top 94 overall, okay? Just focusing on the first two picks, right? Mm-hmm. I want you to take a look at what, okay, what do we need if we're Cleveland? We need a quarterback, right?

A running back. Edge. Edge to me is interesting because, yeah, like an additional edge. It's not this glaring need, obviously. They just have money on Miles Garrett. They've got some bullets in the holster. But they, in the chain. chamber, gun and the holster.

But it certainly could elevate that defense, right? Right. I also think linebacker and wide receivers are positions that they could be targeting early on. Okay. So those are the positions. Those are the picks. If I tell you knowing the draft board the way you do that that you could have Chador and Quinchon Judkins.

Right. Or Chador and. Jaden Higgins, Iowa State wide receiver. Okay. Or Chador and James Pierce Falls from Tennessee. Interesting. But more likely. You have my attention?

More likely like Nick Scorton from Texas A&M. Probably much more likely of that. Okay. Now, on the flip side, you can have Abdul Carter. Mm-hmm. And Jackson Darts coming off the board in the first round. you can have Louisville's Tyler Shuck. What would you take?

I would take Shuck and Carter without hesitation. But you know that's I just that's not real world to me because you don't know. You don't know because you know that Darts going now. I mean, Mel's got him

going nine now. He's a top 10 quarterback according to Mel now. So he's going nine to the Saints. So now you've got three quarterbacks off. Well, well, what, you can't stop it. Yeah. You can't just throw that shit in and think I'm not going to respond. Listen.

Well, go ahead. I give you a response, but my point stands. Go ahead. Well, it was the way you stated it, right? He's a top nine, what did you say? He's top nine quarter. Top ten quarterback. Yeah.

Top ten quarterback now. Top ten pick, yep. I don't think it's totally absurd that Jackson, dark goes in the top 10 given the quarterback position given that there's there's outside after shock like they're all gambles right history tells us it's actually history really tells us and it gets skewed by last year's results history tells it's like a 40 60 gamble you know like 40 I think the numbers were like 44% in the first round right chance of hitting on a quarterback okay like getting a second contract with the quarterback however the numbers were done it was in the 40% range

But it's a much bigger gamble after the first four, in my opinion, right? Yeah. So Jackson, darn, no, he doesn't have a grade that's equivalent, but I've got him in the 20s. I've got him like 28 or something like that in my top 100. That's fair. And I like him a lot. So I could see him going. I think that's the absolute earliest.

And I don't think it's likely to happen. But that's kind of the jumping off point for Dart. But interestingly enough, like if that's a jumping off, point is a big fall to the next spot, which is, you know, 21 to the Steelers. And I'm not sure that they would even do that after doing that with Kenny Pickett. I think the Rams are interesting late first. I think the Giants trading back in, and we'll get to that later in my mock draft for a quarterback would be interesting. I don't think it signals, and I'm never here to defend my guy, Mel. I don't think it signals that he thinks he's a top 10 player, you know, belongs in the top

And but I did, I did think it was a little rich, but I considered it too. I truly did because you got to understand Derek Carr, and we'll get to this Saints in a minute. But Derek Carr is they, yeah, they restructured his deal. He's back for one year, secure for another year. But like, what, what is Derek Carr? I know. Truly. And why wouldn't you take this opportunity as an organization?

Again, don't. No one expects to be picking this high again next year, but there are some teams you look. at and say it's not likely they're going to be drafting the top 10 Cleveland to be honest weirdly enough more so than maybe even the Saints in my estimation but carry on I'm sorry I couldn't no no don't be sorry I couldn't resist I'm sorry I couldn't resist bringing in Mel's mock into your mock show just too good uh so let's just say that happens though right let's say let's say the dark goes nine I appreciate all those three quarterbacks are gone So you're sitting there and you're like, oh, no, the plan is we got Abdul Carter.

The plan is we're going to get Tyler Shuck in the, you know, in the top of the second round. That's, you know, we're good. And then you've got to wait to hope the Steelers don't take them. You got to wait and hope that someone doesn't trade back in to get him. I mean, Tyler Shuck, there's a reason why he's where he is on the board, which is late first, early second kind of range. The reason is he's had a hard time staying healthy. But if you look at his medical and you feel good about it, there's enough tape and there's enough talent for you to say to yourself, I could see how this works.

I could see this kid being a long-term starter in the league and being a really good player. And I'm guessing you're not the only guy in the league. If you feel like that, if you're feeling like that in your Cleveland, you're not the only team in the league feeling that too. So I just don't think it's a false choice. I don't think you can make, I don't think you can say, I'm going to take harder and then get shuck. Well, then you better be ready to move up to get shocked and you better be ready to move ahead

of the Steelers because I don't maybe the Steelers don't do it. Maybe they don't do it because of Pickett, whatever. I think that Chuck is probably a better prospect that Kenny Pickett was. I really believe that. So I mean, you're starting to play. Yeah, you're playing with fire, man. So I don't, that's kind of a false choice to me. And I'm taking Chadoras Sanders in the real world because you cannot wait.

You have to get your quarterback. But let me ask you this question. Are you, and I don't want to get bogged down on one, but I love this conversation. Are you, are you, are you, Andrew, Drew Berry, who just got the job and has six years on his contract? Or you are Andrew Barry in the real world, like today's current climate and his situation? Real world. I just, I think you got to do it.

And listen, I've said forever that you, like, it's to me. So you're telling me you just took this job. You just took this job is that you're that, let's say, Andrew Barry got fired after last year. Okay. But Stefansky is still your coach. You're the brand. new general manager of the Cleveland Browns and you're secure right you got nothing to worry about okay you're passing on Abdul Carter the best player in this draft to draft a quarterback that you

we all see the flaws in but we all see the positives too in Cleveland with that arm strength you got time to build you're passing on there's no such thing as a sure thing I mean he's under size. He had the shoulder injury. He has a foot injury that we're all waiting to see at Penn State. So like, no player is a sure thing. But on tape, he's as close as it's going to come pretty close, you know. I get it. Listen, you know, I love him. He's the number one player in my board. It's the best player in the draft and you're going to pass on him. And I just, I mean, you have to have a quarterback to win. And he's a pass rusher. He's not a linebacker. He's not a safety, not even a cornerback or a wide receiver. He's a peck. He's the second most outside of quarterback, he's, he's at the position that you covet the most.

Yeah. But if you really want a pass rush, this is a pretty, listen, I get it. You're not, it's Abdul Carter's different. He's different. I think he is really a different kind of talent. So I get it. And I've said a lot of times on the show that you build from the inside out and that's how you do it. But I look at their roster and they're not, it's not a pressing need for them to get this guy.

And I'm looking at them wanting to be competitive. in that division, that tough division, I think you've got to take another swing in a quarterback. I just think you have to do it. And for all the reasons you said, too, if you told me that they could go out and get a free agent next year or if they had the money to play with, but it's not the situation they're in. And Sanders on my board right now, I think, is 12. I think he's probably going to move up a little bit the next time I do the rankings. I think the more I watch them, the more I have a little more confidence.

And I get that he's not the, he's not the, he's not the, he's not the, guy that, you know, he's not Jaden Daniels. I get that. I understand that. We've talked about that all the time. I think you've got to take another swing. And if you told me again, if I could get Carter, if you're telling me I'm definitely getting Carter and Shuck, great. Awesome. I would do that. But I don't think, I think you're going to get Carter and then you're going to start thinking about Quinn yours and Jalen Milrow. And maybe they love one of those guys. But it's the first pick in the second round. You think Tyler Shucks coming off the board in the first round? I just don't think you could play the game.

I think he could. Listen, I will say this. A lot of it's the market for quarterbacks, right? And you're telling me that Jackson Dart, who we didn't think was going to be, was a fringe first round guy, will there be three first round quarterbacks this year? Now we're talking about nine because we know what happens every year. And you know they go earlier.

When I see the Jackson Darts going nine, Tyler Shuck going in the first round is not crazy to me. No, it's not crazy. But I think it's, I think it's, everyone I've talked to in the league thinks it's highly unlikely. And there are some people in the league that really like him, but they don't, they think he's going to be second round. I love you. And I know you get a lot of good information. I don't think anyone in the league's going to be like, hey, Todd, we're kind of interested in training back in the first round to get Tyler Shuck. No one gives their information. Everyone gives somebody else's information. You learn that very quickly. I'm messing with you. No, no, I know. I know. I never get there. I rarely get their information. I get.

Right. What they're hearing from other teams, which is always an indicator, you know, there's a lot of mind games that go on. Right. The beauty is for running back. You're looking at that need of running back. You can address that. I mean, at 33, you get Judkins if you want.

Yeah. But it's 67. I'm getting, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think Ashton Jenty, Omarian Hampton, and Trayvion Henderson go in the first round. I agree. I think Judkins is very early second. I agree. Later in the second, we start to see maybe a maybe a Caleb Johnson, Cam Scataboo,

although I do wonder if there's going to be, I've said this before. Hold. Oh, oh, right? And then all of a sudden, like, it's going to be like late second, somewhere there. And then it's going to go Caleb Johnson or Scatibu. And then you're going to start to see maybe even a little hold after that. But then when you see like an RJ Harvey go, then it's like, oh, shit, here we go. It's a run.

Brace ourselves. It's going to go RJ Harvey. Then it's going to deal in Samson. Then it's going to go DJ get-ins. I'm not saying all in this order, but it's like, you think that's happening in the second where do you think that's happening no i think i i'm curious to see where caleboo go and where they go i think we'll kind of set the market for like maybe 10 15 picks later then i think it's going to be a weird run of like okay i mean i'm looking at

i'm looking at um harvey sampson giddens jordan james special tootin damien martinez devon neil you know, LeQuint Allen, Trevor E.T.N. Jaden Blue, yarns, like, all those guys could go third, fourth. Yeah, so if you take Sanders with the second pick, you could still get a good ed rusher in the second round and a good running back in the third round. Kind of, though, like Nick Scorton. We're going to see five or six edges going.

This is kind of my point. And this is why we do the combo picks. Like, okay, so I'm cool. We're going to get a good running back. We're not going to get one of the top four. but if we don't get a running back with the first two picks, we're getting an RJ Harvey or Dylan Samson, one of those guys with picks,

you know, around picks 67, let's say. Mm-hmm. Okay. But, I mean, these,

these edge guys are not going to last. Abdul Carter, Jalen Walker, Mike Green, Shmar Stewart, Mike Liel Williams, James Pierce, Ezzeruku.

I get your boy, Ed's going a lot higher than I think you, you would have expected. Oh, no, I saw that stuff later. Okay. I was like,

But then after that, I've got Nick Scorton. I've got Ola Jay-Jjo from UCLA, Landon Jackson. There's a drop-off, man, is my point. I'm not pumped about getting Nick Scorton at 33 necessarily. There's better players and other positions. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. But also consider Edge is not.

So this is not going to be a Cleveland Browns. I already did a Cleveland Brown show today. So we don't need to do. But I think there's a lot of good information in here beyond just Brown. right so that part's fascinating to me then right then we get to the giants you know how could he have the third pick and still be in a tough guy's spot again i want to say this these top four picks are a puzzle yeah this we got one of the four pieces of the puzzle as of today we feel like is in the right spot but we got three other spots and so if cleveland goes shadore the patriots are in the

or in their draft room, like, yep, because we're getting one of the two. There's two elite prospects in this class. Yeah. There's two elite, elite, elite prospect. Fine, you can say Genti 3, but like it's not a position that a lot of teams are going for that early. However you want to do it. In my estimation, there's two elite elite players in this draft. They're Abdul Carter and Travis Hunter.

Okay. If Ward goes one and Shadour goes two or three, the Patriots are, because they'll take either of those guys. They need a wide receiver. They desperately need a left tackle. But they'll take, they don't have any. They've got two elite players that they think they got on their team right now. They don't have any more. They've got Christian Gonzalez, who's a lockdown corner, who's got a touchdown corner, who's got a

tackle better. They got Drake May, who's an awesome rookie quarterback coming off his rookie year, so much promise, has room still to grow. But they're tracking towards having two elite players. Now, Ross has gotten better. They've gotten deeper. They've gotten stronger. Those defensive move, Milton Williams is going to be a really, really good player for them. I love Spillane at linebacker. Carlton Davis is going to bring some physicality a corner and is just a good veteran, solid, reliable corner who's going to help them do some different things, blitz package-wise, and all that, right? They don't have. They don't have receivers, period.

They don't have a left tackle that can protect their biggest asset in their franchise, one of two assets in that franchise on the field. But if these two quarterbacks go in the top three, they get an elite player. And they get it either at a position they need wide receiver with Travis Hunter and also corner, however, they wind up working that out. Or they get it at the second most important position at a position they still need. need to upgrade at edge, right? Yeah.

So that's why this is so fascinating. So let's get back to pick three. Yep. Who are they taken? Right. There's two parts to it because this is, so I went through this because I'm, as much as I'm selling the why if Cleveland take my whole campaign this week is, it would actually make sense, even though my grade's not that high, even though I see his flaws.

on tape that everyone else in the league sees, I see his brilliance in some areas, and it fits perfectly with Stefansky. That's my whole pitch. And the salary cap hell they're in, it's not getting better in free agency next year. If they're drafting this high again next year, it's not the same people making the decisions.

So that's been my campaign all week, and I believe that, like to the core. And I know that they're discussing that. Yep. Okay. But I've never once said they absolutely should. And I've certainly never once said, I believe or I'm hearing strongly that they're going to do that. Okay.

Right. So now you're the giants. Let's look at this at two different angles. You've got, again, pieces of the puzzle with these top four picks. It's all this top four. Then after the top four, then it's like the draft kind of starts. Okay. Truly.

Then it's a guy. I agree. Now we get the whole bag of. players in our shoulder and we walk in like, okay, pick five, Jacksonville, let's start the draft. Right. We know these four players. We know three of the players that are definitely going in the top four. And if it's Shador, we know the four, but not exactly how they're going.

So at three, there's two ways we got to look at it, right? The Giants, if they have with Shador on the board, and then there's the Giants if Shadur goes number two. I think the easiest. right now is to start with, let's say, Shador goes number two. Giants are on the board. Now you're looking, this is interesting, too, because I went through the depth chart,

studied the moves. They brought in a corner. Pulsing a Debo, right? They re-signed Darius Slayton. Yep. So they have Malik neighbors, an absolute star. They've got two respectable weapons, guys that can help you, Darius Slaten and Wondale Robinson.

All of a sudden, you've got a wide receiver group of Malik neighbors, Travis Hunter, and then you're three and four. And that's what they really should be on a great wide receiver group would be a Darius Slaten and Wondale Robinson, right? Yeah. That's how you're going to use him. You think he's going to be your number two wide receiver? However you want to package it. I'm saying, I wake up one day and I go from Malik neighbors to like,

Darrius Layton and Wondale Robinson to Malik neighbors. Travis Hunter, this piece that we can move around and do different things and get them the ball and short. That makes sense. Yep. You know what I mean? So now that four is like a whole different stratosphere than those three. Gotcha.

But they still, but they've, you know, they resigned Darius. site and they brought in a debaub at corner. So what good organizations do is they prepare for everything and they try to enter enter a draft not being handcuffed to what their needs are. But if if Chador goes to, you've got the best player in the draft at the second most important position. And then on the other hand, you get this generational talent. Oh, and by the way, you get Brian Burns and Kavon Tibido, right? At edge. Young, too, by the way. What are you doing?

Uh, if, so Sanders is there, I'm taking him. No, no, no, no. If Sanders is not there's the number two picked and you're looking at the best two players in this draft. Yeah, no problem. It would be just like the Giants, right? Yep. To be sitting at three and have the best two players in the entire draft, the two elite blue chip, no, not debatable players in the entire draft, in the entire draft, sitting there available to you and you're still pissed off. It's amazing to me.

Because it's not what you truly need. Right. Right. We can't get a quarterback. We still can't get a quarterback at three. It's got to be mind-blowing to them. That said, Carter, I know you have Tibido. Listen, I know Brian Burns.

He brought him in last year. I get it. Both those guys are super talented. Tibdough was a little banged up. I'm not super worried about that. I absolutely agree with you. You can't have enough, man. You can't have enough.

enough. You can't have enough. So go get them. And now you're in a division with Jalen Hertz, right? Yeah. And Jay Daniels. Yeah. And you got someone who can hunt. Yep. So I can't imagine someone with his skill set getting past the third pick. Dax. That's why I just that's why Patriot. But you got three quarterbacks that you got to get after. Yeah. That's why Patriots fans. I think, you know, Patriots fans have a good sense of reality and cannot, when they see this maybe Abdul Carter dropping to them. I think, you know, I live in the area. You live in the area.

I think they're like, yeah, that can. No, no one's buying it because he's just too good. There's just no way he drops, in my opinion. Yeah, I, I, but I think, I think he could. Yeah, I think they could go Travis Hunter. There's a world where it happens. There's a scenario where it, where it happens, they Carter goes for.

All right. So what if Sodor's on the board? Then I'm taking Shador. Brian. Brian Dayball deals with big, mobile, strong. Gotcha. I know. Not big.

I mean, has been big with Josh Allen, but even like going back to like Jalen Hertz at Alabama, like stronger arm mobile quarterbacks got, you know, like that's what he's, that's the currency that he has dealt with. Delta.

Yep. Carter's not there anymore now. You got to go, now it's between Hunter and Shador, right? Is that what we're saying? I shouldn't say this. In my mock draft, I'll just lay it out. My mock draft, I've got Cam Ward going number one. I've got Shador Sanders going number two.

Okay. If, but I clearly stated, and it's the most important thing I can state, I believe this is a quarterback or we're taking Abdul Carter. Can you imagine if you're the Cleveland Browns, Jim, Jim Schwartz, the lobbying he's doing I'd be like come on man I'd be like Kev

hey Kev you only you only got a score like 15 to 20 right you might not like we're going to need 14 but we may only we may only need 15

I don't know how we're going to get there right you're way you're way better coach to me man you're like the best quarterback coach I can't you get us can't you get us seven man Can't you get a 17 to 20? Because if you do, like who's scoring on that, right?

Yeah. So the point in all that madness is I think if it's not Shador, I truly believe it's Abdul Carter. Right. So yeah, back to the Giants. I don't disagree. I think it's Shador. They have to.

Right. And even if it's there, even if they do land Aaron Rogers. Oh, yeah. And we should mention because we're taping this Wednesday night. It's coming out Thursday morning. Aaron Rogers, it's not going to be new news by then. It's still, it's not even new news by now. But the Minnesota Vikings are out of the Aaron Rogers business.

Sweep stakes. And I can't applaud them enough. Yeah. I can't think of anything less I would want to do than bring that to town what I'm trying to develop. a quarterback that I believe in. Yeah. And I know he's got along with Jordan Love and all that. I just like we need we need now I don't know the durability stuff.

And very clearly there's there's an element of concern there or else they wouldn't even be kind of, you know, kicking the tires. Right. But he's out of that market. And for these purposes, that's important because the quarterback market and Cleveland can't afford him. and that's just not even really up for debate. The Giants, though, really, from what I understand, and you tell me if you're hearing different, it's really a giant Steelers thing.

That's what I'm here to. I'm starting to get the tea leaves that he could be a Pittsburgh Steeler. Yeah. Do you see what Cam Hayward said, though? No. He's a little tired of waiting. I absolutely love Cam. I love Cam as a person.

He's great media guy. He's amazing. Yeah. Just tells it how it is, man. Uh-huh. And what do you say? He wasn't, he was basically just saying like, listen, man, I'm worried about football. He did make a, he did take a shot.

He was like, I don't go any of those darkness retreats. I just want to know what we're doing next year. I want to know who's going to be under center. Yeah. I mean, that's, I'm paraphrasing, but that's what he said. You were part of the grizzly group in a locker room. You know what that's like. Yeah.

Like I'm waking up at 4.30 in the morning. I got Matt drills. I've got practice. I get film. I get meetings. And he loves it, by the way. He loves it. He's hurt.

Oh, they're like, I don't, like, come on, man. I don't, I, yeah. What are we doing? What are we doing? Why am I talking about this? I get that. I get that. Yeah, why?

Like, I'm, I'm, I've been through a lot of wars, man. I don't need to be talking about this right now. So yeah, I mean, that's what it boils down to. Mm-hmm. It's what it boils down to. And I truly believe this. Here's what I think I know at this point. I used to love what Peter King would call me to,

talked through his mock draft before uh before every sunday night on my drive down to bristol before the week of the draft it was like we had like a phone date if you will and and it was always his mock draft like what i what i think i know or what however yeah it was great here's what i think i know what i think i know is that it's cam ward at one what i think i know is that if it's not shadore it's abdul carter what i think i know is that if she's that if she's Shador is there at three, the giants are very, very likely to take Shador. And what I think I know is if Shador doesn't go in the top three, it's going to be a fascinating night. Okay.

Yep. That all adds up. That tracks. Okay. So that's that. And that's why I said these puzzle pieces. And we don't have all the answers, but we kind of like, we got one in and we got two that we kind of know the direction. and then based on when we get to four,

it's like plug it in. Now, it's plug it in. It's plug it in if it's two quarterbacks. But if as you will... Is it? Okay. I've said this all along, man. Here's a scenario I think you're talking about.

Here's a scenario that I think you're talking about. I'm going to let you cook with this. Cam Ward goes one. Shador goes two. Mm-hmm. Oh, no, more likely. Cam Ward goes one, Abdul Carter goes two to Cleveland. Number three is Shador Sanders.

Yep. To the New York Giants. Travis Hunter sitting on the board for New England. Talk to me, Braves. So Travis Hunter is absolutely worth the top pick, the top two picks, the top three picks, whatever you want to say. But this is all about scenarios and this is all about team needs. And I think really what it comes down to is Armand Membo is a right tackle Missouri.

They just went out and signed Morgan Moses. who's the right tackle. You need to know whether Armand Membue can play on the left side. If you feel like he can play on the left side and you feel like he can be a franchise left tackle, and I do feel like that. I don't know about the left side stuff. That's why I want to talk to him and I want to see. You have a way more glaring need, a way more glaring need at left tackle and you have to protect your franchise quarterback. There is nothing more important than that. Nothing more than that. You went out and signed Carlton Davis. Yes, you need help at receiver, but my understanding is that Travis Hunter is going to play corner and then he's going to be involved in some packages on

receiver. So that's great, but you need a, like, you need a number one. I think in New England, he'd be, he would be a full-time receiver and maybe you utilize him like some red zone, certain situations on defense. I think it would be the reverse. So you're telling me that Travis Hunter is going to be a full-time receiver. In New England, I think probably with elements in the defensive side. I don't know. I'm not saying I'm completely off guard. I still think. I see Garrett Wilson. I think he's Garrett Wilson.

I don't disagree with you. I think he's a lot of disagree with you. Can he be a number one receiver? Absolutely. I'm not arguing that. If I'm coming across that way. Can he be a number one receiver in the NFL? 100%.

Can he be a number one corner 100%? Is this player worth? Is he the number two player on my board? Yep. I get all that. You got Drake May last year, man. Nothing is more important than protecting him. Nothing.

You have to find that piece. It's not in free agency. There were a couple trades made that they weren't involved in. You've got to find that guy. Now, I don't know if you're talking to what it is. What is Travis Hunters? You're telling me, and I'm just a fan now, listen. And I'm not just a crazy New England fan, which there's a lot of,

and there's a lot of crazy fans everywhere. And the fan is short for fanatics, right? I'm a well-educated fan. And I'm looking at this, and I'm saying, okay, I got you, Mitch. I got we're building where you got to build through the trenches we've got to protect our investment but I want to play a devil's advocate go ahead this son of a gun is unlike anything we've ever seen agree he's got a chance to be a hall of fame player Travis hunter does a hall of famer here we go because Dion didn't do it champ Bailey didn't do it

do it. Charles Woodson didn't do it. Nobody's done it. What if he can play 90 snaps? Amazing. In an NFL, you've been to an NFL game recently, right, with all the commercials. Yeah. Stop down there is. Okay. All right. No, no, no, no, no. Listen to me. I'm saying on the at the field, when you're sitting at home watching Red Zone, and it's a, when you're at the stadium, it's a slower, like, there's, I know, it's the college game. There's a, you know, We watch these clips. We pull up a game. It's like 96 offensive plays.

You're playing like 60, 65. So like if you're telling me we can get 90 to 100, that means a whole game of defense and like 35 plays on offense. He's got to play a whole game of offense. Okay. Then 35 plays on defense. Okay. I'm just saying,

are you worried if you're Mike Frable, the Kraft family, Elliot Wolf, that you're passing up on a Hall of Fame, like generational, one of a kind, never seen before in the NFL type of talent with a young quarterback that you use a weapon and a team that needs big plays

that needs a special playmaker on the outside. They haven't had that. Like, when's the last time? Yeah, I mean, of course you are. But let's, let's, I mean, to me, let's double up, right? You want to do the double up picks, right? You're telling me that I can, get Jaden Higgins and I can get my, my tackle, the wide receiver out of Iowa State.

If you get Jaden Higgins early second round and I can get my left tackle, let's go. Who am I getting to play tackle if I didn't get Armand Memmoo? Now we're talking. Okay. Now, now I'm listening. Now I'm actually listening. And Will Campbell, I'll tell you, man, I don't know. It's just, I love Will Campbell in his tape.

It's good. It's really good. I get it. You can't, I mean, you can't, it's just too tricky. It's too risky for me to take him there and assume that he's going to be your franchise left tackle. Can't do it. You don't, if he had 303. Let's, let's preface this.

If he had 33 and a half inch arms, you still would be like, I'm not, oh, you, okay. I guess I'm asking. No, no, I've gotten the sense from you throughout the process that you're like, I'm still not like sold, sold. But if he's got close to 34 inch arms, are you, are you taking him at four and no problem? He's in the mix. I still think I probably like Membue more, but he's in the mix. I mean, that's really the biggest issue. But there's a comfort level that he's on the left and Membu's more comfortable on the right.

Agree. Totally understand that. And that's what the Membu catch is for me. If you think he can play on the left side, you think he can be the left franchise. And here's the thing I'll say, are you, I don't think good GM stay up wondering if I'm missing on a Hall of Famer. I think good GM stay up saying, how do I make my team success? How do I make my team? Because you think Drake May could be a Hall of Famer?

My kids do. If you think Drake May could be a Hall of Famer, then what are we doing? Because if you go for the wide receiver that you think is the Hall of Famer and you don't protect your quarterback and he's getting taking the shots that he took last year, what are we doing? I guess I was just raised on the concept. If I can draft a Hall of Famer as a GM, I might want to do that. I listen not it's great it's a again I'm just saying he's one of a kind I'm not saying he's

going to be a hall of thing and we're getting a little ahead of ourselves about hall yeah thank you i'm just saying he's got a chance to be anyway let me ask you this when you talk about why he might fail right he's going to play it you talk about the game slowing down and that's going to be a little bit easier for him maybe on his body i'm saying 17 games against much bigger much faster human beings. No, I know. Then you got to go. And I'm going about it.

Three to four. Also miss games, his first two seasons weighs 185 pounds. Kid is tough. He's played a ton of snaps in college. I'm not saying any of that. I think it's really hard to predict durability, but it is also something that you factor into the mix. I just, I mean, like, I'm just saying, I think you are looking to take the best

player that's going to help your team. And I do think that Travis Hunter is the second. best player in this draft. But they have their franchise quarterback, and they better figure out how to take care of them. And they can find help at wide receiver early in the second. All right. I'm literally turning the page. Okay.

Let's go. I want to get to some of these other picks. I love the conversation. There's no right or wrong right now because we won't know for a few years. And who knows? But I do. I love the conversation. And these are the conversations that are being had.

you know and it's not just like what are we passing on it's what can we get if we don't go this and now so that to me was like all about the puzzle those first four picks are all about the puzzle throw the bag of players over your shoulder now we're walking out okay pick five now the draft starts i think it gets really interesting though with the raiders at six and i want to talk about some combo picks and kind of where you can get guys the raiders are interesting to me in this i look at their needs wide receiver, corner, interior offensive line are probably three of their top needs, right? Yeah.

Unless you consider Will Campbell a guard and you want to take him at six, there isn't a corner. I mean, Jada Baron maybe, but I'm looking at this and saying if Ashton Genty's there, it feels like a luxury pick, right? It feels like we haven't earned a luxury pick, but this feels like a luxury pick. But is it? Beast mode. Didn't turn out to be a great player, but Pete Carroll was there when they drafted Rashad Penny earlier than people thought.

There's a value on that running back because it's run the ball, possess it, Legion of Boom, right? That's what we're trying to build towards. It's not going to be the exact same thing. but there's there's an element of that with pete carol now in in in las Vegas and ashton ginty we just spent five hours it felt like talking about all the running backs and we we heaped all the praise and told you there's a couple things he can approve upon but by all accounts it's ginty and hampton top two backs and if you were to pull most gms and personnel people it would be ginty over hampton

so at six do you take the running back no that you pick again at 37, you could have Quinshot Judkins or Caleb Johnson or Cam Scatibu. Yep. And take best the player available.

I also think it's interesting, too. Could the Raiders trade out of this spot? Would anyone be interested to move up? Yeah, who's moving up for? That's what's so interesting about this. Everyone wants to trade back. Yeah. Now you've got the,

now you've got all these players off the board. Now you've got the sack of players. So just that concept, that sack of players that are in this bunch, who's the guy that's interesting enough for someone to trade up for? Yeah, I'd love the idea of trading back. And just finding partners is going to be tough. Yeah. Because the Jets aren't taking a quarterback. I'm thinking if Shador were to fall, who's trading up?

I mean, yeah. I don't disagree. But it just feels like Ashton Gentied there, doesn't it? I like it. I do think it's funny that once you get your mindset on something, I don't think Ash and JetD can go early enough for you. No, I'm not saying that. No, I know.

I just think he's one of your favorite players and you're, you're, I, I'm in the camp of, I don't think there's a big difference between he and Hampton. I know, but you love both of them. Like, they're both, you love both. And I, and I think you're right. Like, this class is so much to like about it and how early they're going to go. And it's exciting to see, like, But again, like, it comes back to the, do you draft running backs that early?

If you're a draft one that early, it's got, it better be a guy like Cheney. I love them. I love them. And yes, I like getting them off the mock. And I think, like, yeah. And I honestly think the fit, I'm not, I would never. No, it makes sense. It makes more than sense.

It makes more than sense because I'm looking at the rest of their picture. And that's what I sat there. I spent, I, I'm embarrassed to tell you how many hours I spent yesterday after collecting all the information days prior. But I really tried to evaluate. this like study the roster, what have they done in the past? What's the, what's the makeup of this team? What fits?

What's available? What are our other needs? Where else are we picking? That's a lot to process 32 times. So I'm like, I'm in it. And when I'm at the Raiders, yeah, it feels like, oh, it's the flashy pick. I'll make shame one to throw is running back in at number six. Get them off the boards.

You can get two in the top 10, maybe. Right? But tell me what other play here. If you can't, because there's no trade in out. We've got one trade in this mock. We'll get to it at the very end of the show. I'll reveal that. And I think it actually could happen.

Legit. What's the move here? Jaday Barron over Ashton Jett? Because it's rare that the running back has a higher grade than everybody else at all these other positions. Yeah. So if you're trying to make an argument for me, tell me a player with a higher grade on the board right now. You can't listen. Okay, you can't. Answer my questions. I'm not, you're on the, you're on the stand now. You're on the player higher. You're on the stand. Yes,

sir. Yes, sir. One word answers, please. Yep. Tell me a player at number six, given the way this draft has fallen that has a higher grade, the national. None. Okay. None. Also, sir, tell me, Tell me a position where you can find a prospect that has a grade even close to Ashton Janty. None. I rest my case, Your Honor. That's the, that's, and that's why I get that and then also the Pete Carroll, the Marshawn Lynch, the value of the running back, what they're trying to build. Yeah.

I don't know. I don't know. They don't need a tight end. I mean, like all the other stuff too, like it's yeah, I get it. I get it. It makes sense. Jets is seven. This one's fun to me. This one's fun. Pick seven if you're a Jets fan. Like, let's have some fun here. Pick seven, 42, and 73. Not a lot of capital, right down the middle. You know, pick early in the first, early in the second, early in the third. Your biggest needs is I see them, and there are others. I would say offensive tackle, tight end wide receiver?

Yeah. Yeah. You're sitting at seven offensive tackle. Arm on Mimbo's on the board. You're sitting at seven. You know, I feel about this one. Tyler Warren's on the board. I don't care.

The wide receiver doesn't factor in here at seven. You can get a wide receiver like a Jaden Higgins from Iowa State. we talked about, I feel like we're only throwing up. I love the slot receivers, Mitch will tell you. But Luther Burden, Jaden Higgins, Jalen Noel, Trey Harris. Don't give me started on Jalen Lane, by the way. He's become one of my new favorite slot receivers.

He's good, man. Second favorite slot receiver in this draft. Third, if you're counting a Buka. So you got Membo. And Tyler Warren staring at you. I've got a higher grade. I got to what? It's Membo.

It's got to be Membo. I can't go high enough on Membo to be honest. Well, let's play out the drill, son. Yeah, here we go. Membo. And then the thing is you can still get a damn good tight end. Yeah. When you're picking it at 42.

I believe, but I can't guarantee. That's the problem. Right. Because there's two other really good tight ends in this class. And I get news for you. If Elijah Arroyo stays healthy, he's the third best because he's just such a weapon. He's different. Right.

Mason Taylor's the maybe, I don't want to say the most complete, Mason Taylor is just a damn good football player. He's just a really good football player. Then there's a drop off. And there's no one. There's no other tight end of drop, I'm drafting in that spot. So then that's when you go to one of those wide receivers or you go to a different position, right? Yep. So you're thinking Taylor or Oroyo.

Yeah, and the combo. If you get Membu and Taylor or Eroyo, you're a pretty. Here's the thing. Here's the thing at offensive tackle. And let's just look at it real quick. Membu comes off the board. Will Campbell comes off the board. Kelvin Banks, Josh Simmons, probably are going to be the guys that you hear in the first round.

Simmons could go early second because of some stuff. But, like, I think it's trending towards he'll be later in the first. And pick 40. It's different. Like with Cleveland, about first pick in the second round, the giant second pick and the,

you know what I mean? Like, Mm-hmm. Jets don't pick again to 42. Right. That's like nine picks into the second. You're like, you're mid-second round range.

So you're not like, Josh Connerley's gone. Yeah, I don't think he's there either, right. And I mean, nursery? I think it's about his range.

I'm cooling off on him too. Okay. Well, so my point is, There's a massive drop off. Yeah. So, yeah, you get, you get, you get, you get Mambu and you gamble on, on the tight end or a different position in the second round.

All right, then it brings me to the Saints. They were the hardest ones. They were the hardest team in the entire first round. Did you want to do Carolina or do just want to go right to the Saints? No, I'm just going to bounce. I think everyone knows Carolina's needs and it fits. Yep. I think it's a question of which Georgia edge rusher probably.

Yeah. I mean, honestly, I'm hearing some rumors about Mikel. Jalen Walker, I've got a higher grade. What do you hear about good stuff about Mike? I'm high on Michael, man. No, good, good. No, I'm hearing that there's love in the building from Carolina. Yeah, cool. But Saints at 9 are interesting because you got Kuiper on one hand with Jackson, Dart and the big splash. Let's get up with Get Up and Mike Greenberg and let's three quarterbacks in the top 10 and let's, but then you've got the reality that if you're not willing to take Jackson Dart at that spot

and maybe this factors into why Mel did it and you'd love to trade back but he's not going to he's I'm not sitting there pestering him telling him he needs trades in the first round so he's not going to do it until he absolutely has to and so my if it's not dart at nine before dart it would be can I move back Because I don't see anyone. I don't. Chicago, no. Sam Fran, no.

No. Most likely. Dallas, you know, Dallas, no. Miami. I'm just trying to think of like one of those like, oh shit, why didn't we see this? Yeah. I don't believe San Francisco. I don't believe Miami.

To a look. San Francisco would be a real shock. Tua looks awfully happy and put on some guys' dad. bod going this this off season here we go i'm joking you're his body shaming people no but he his history of concussions is yeah i got you and i'm in no position to body shame anyone um but anyway my point is i don't see another team here pulling like the the the falcons type thing but we didn't see the falcons yeah that's what's great about it right but trade out and drag jackson dart are kind of the first two things that came that came to mind

But then it was like, all right, what's the reality? You're sitting here. No one's trying to trade up. No one's trying to trade up. No. Is a draft where a lot of people want to, unless you need a quarterback, you're targeting it early in the first or early in the or late in the second from early in the late in the first from early in the second.

I think there could be like some spot moves and stuff, but I don't see someone like coming in. And then I look at, okay, you got Campbell, linebacker. Yeah. Jihad, who, by the way, torn labrum surgery. Yeah. Labrum surgery. Yeah.

So now my doctor's got to be comfortable. And Campbell, I'm coming off the board later, but in the first, my doctor's going to be comfortable. And I'm just not comfortable no matter what my doctor's say in the top 10 for a. Now you get two strikes. You're an off the ball linebacker. Yes, I get it projecting you some eddressing stuff too and the versatility. And I love them as a player too. But now you get two strikes.

He's an off the ball linebacker by trade. and he's got a labor. Yeah. And we're picking at nine. So that's out. So I kept going down the, like, they got like 40 tight ends. But if Tyler Warren's still sitting there,

you're considering him? That's a possibility, right? The value is good. Yeah, the value. So again, like, and I don't think, like, you either like the quarterback or you don't. If you like Jackson, Darden,

you see he's the guy. You got Derek Carr for one more year. you just you take and it's a perfect time to bring in a jackson dart from that system give them a year nfl verbiage you know these are the the turning points in the draft you can say if you tell me what happens at two then i can tell you over these next picks and then if you tell me what happens at nine then i can go in this way but when your mock draft gets blown up which it usually everyone's does it's a long gone right now it's a pick here you could usually tell where those picks are going to be they could just blow up the entire i mean we've done

on this we we Todd's done a um the final mock for I don't even know how many years and we would stay up all night the night before and it was like what are we doing you know like because if you get one bit of information that changes pick five then you swap for and it's like right the Jamar chase year I remember being a really interesting year um but right you know you know where the sticking points are it's just about getting those picks right all right so I mentioned that I just think that's fascinating I just want to walk through like because the Saints are like truly a wildcard. Because with all these teams, you're like, it's this or that.

It feels like this or that. You know, like we know the position needs. Like free agency, the first wave is done. And the countdown two free agency is done. But with the Saints, I'm like, I just, I don't really know. And so it opens the door for Jackson Dart, but you don't take him because there's not a better option at this pick. You take him because he's your guy.

So if that's out and tradebacks out and Campbell's out at lineback. Do I bring in a tight end? And I got like nine of them and my two of my top three, two of my top three leading receivers last year were tight ends and we just resigned one. Just resign one of them. And our quarterback slash tight end was on pace for 44, 46 catches last year and played only eight games. Yep. But Tyler Warren's a massive upgrade. Now we got a legitimate one.

Yeah. Now, John is a, is a, you know, is a, now is a, he's, now we flex him out. Now we get, I don't know. All right, bears a 10. Bears a 10. How about the Chicago Bears, Ryan Poles? Way to get the drill.

Okay? Way to get the drill. Exactly. And that's what you're saying about Drake Bay and the Patriots. But Jonah Jackson acquired in a trade with the Rams, right? Yeah. Joe Tooney acquired in a trade with the chiefs. Drew Dahlman three year contract worth.

42, 28 guaranteed. It's three parts of that offensive line. You can go line up now. You can debate. You can debate left tackle, right? You can debate left tackle, and this is where it gets interesting. So now you're the Bears. Will Campbell's on the board.

You're starting left tackle did an okay job, but not great. Braxton Jones and pass protection last year. Both of your tackles are better run blockers than pass blockers. which leads me to another point. Are we trying to upgrade that left tackle to put two first rounders on the on the outsides? Right? Yeah.

With Arnault right? Or are we taking the running back? Because O'Mary in Hampton, while he's not, Trayvon Henderson's more, more Jemir Gibbs, but O'Marion Hampton for an organization that has, that has a running back in D'Andre Swift, who, You got one more year. Let's see how it goes.

And then I think his contract's up at the end of next year anyway. Right. But if I've got Caleb, forget even the, forget even the, the Jamir Gibbs aspect of it. And just looking at this team and looking at Ben Johnson's offense. Right. And looking now, as I just mentioned, you got a bunch of old grizzly vets in the interior. And you get two tackles that are better run blockers than past protectors. And now I got DeAndre Swift and Omari in Hampt, who's tap dancing in with his 4-4-6 speed at 221 pounds, light on his feet, fresh in his legs, ready to go.

And 93rd percentile and mistackles force after the catching college football last year at the running back position. Yeah. Yeah. So here's what it gives me, right? It gives me a number one back and theoretically of healthy two top type backs. It gives me if one of my top backs goes down and every year in the league, like find me a guy who doesn't go down at least for three, four games, whatever it is. We saw it in Detroit, right?

And Gibbs stepped into that role and didn't skip a beat. But if Gibbs had to be that guy all year long, wouldn't be as fresh late in the year. right so it feels like a luxury but haven't they put themselves in a position for i forget the word luxury haven't they put themselves in position to get another piece to take this pressure off of caleb williams yes yes and i'm wondering on in johnson's system are you thinking that californ is going to get the ball out a little quicker is he going to be a little more efficient maybe that helps those offensive tackles the interior offensive line was the they had to fix the interior offensive line that was the goal and they did that they have three

new starters including i mean the two guards are impressive uh so you had to fix the interior now you have a quarterback who's probably getting at the ball a little out a little bit quicker i think those tackles are actually talented i i would give them another year i would i'm not thinking that that's a pressing need if there was a absolute stud at left tackle here that's no that's clean then yes I get that move. I don't think that player's there at this point in the draft for them in this draft, in this class. And I love the idea of the mirroring of what he did with the lines and adding another back. To me, it's interesting.

I like it. And it takes more pressure. You're not only so with Hampton, you're taking pressure off. Okay. I'm going to rip through these. What if Michael, sorry. But what if Michael Williams is there? And I say to you, and I say to you, Mench, okay, you can have Michael Williams.

and we're picking at 39 and 41, I can guarantee you, Caleb Johnson or Scatibu. I guarantee you. Maybe you have your choice between the two. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah, no, yeah. Yeah, that would pause. Because on the flip,

because if we're saying we're going to give our tackles one more year. On the flip, I'm saying you can have Omarian Hampton. Right. And Oladejo, or Nick, Nick Scorton, if he's still, there at 49 or 39. I don't know that he's going to be, but he could be. But that's the best you're going to get. I would pause.

I would definitely have to think about it. You know what I mean? I like Campton here, though. I do. I think he's a good value at this point. I love the idea of two backs going in, but maybe that's what's skewing my vision here a little bit or skewing my thought process. Here's the other thing you could do.

No, no, no, listen to me. Listen to me. Here's the other thing you could do if your polls. You could take Michael Williams here and not need, not need, because he's developing, not need him to be a star right away, but bring, you know, 30, whatever it is, put him in a role that helps him develop. He's an asset, but he doesn't have to be the, the guy, right? Then at 39, or maybe you have to use a fourth or something to move up a little bit,

you go get Josh Connerly. And he's not ready yet necessarily. But he's depth. He's depth. He's athletic and now you got one year to see if you're left tackle and maybe trade him or however that works out. Yeah. But to work, get Connerly stronger. So he's a better past protecting left tackle for the future.

And then at 41, you go get camp scattered. I like that. Mm-hmm. I like that. All right. Yeah, I like it too. But this is, these are the conversations that G. They're not having it right now.

I should say. We're only doing it because we're doing a mock draft. These are the conversations when the Hayes in the barn, as everyone in the league likes to say, when the board's set, it becomes scenario time, phone conversation, especially that last week, man. I can't say the weekend before the draft is when I talk to the most people.

Because it's like, all right, you know. All right, I want to get to two quick things. One, what other picks stand out to you? Feel free. It's actually a pick you didn't make. I went through it a few times. Maybe I'm missing it. Yeah.

Where did a Mecca and Buka go in the first round? I couldn't. Is it I miss it? You gasped when I suggested that he was the second round guy. I'm blaming the editor. I did it for you, Mitch. I did it for you. Yeah.

Are you going to say you made a mistake? I would love for that, too. Either way I went. I did not make a mistake. I purposely gave you a Christmas gift in March. Oh, here we go. Unbelievable. I'll tell you one of the picks I loved.

I'll give you some problems. It gets interesting because there's a lot of teams that need a lot of the same things. It's not wide receiver late. It's corner. It's offensive line. And it's defensive line. Not shocking. But it's a lot of corners, O line, D line late.

And so I'm looking at it and I'm like, oh, mensch is going to roast me. Right. But I'm not going to mess around my board just to shove a meka, in Kansas City when they needed, you know what I mean? So yeah, yeah. Can we say how many receivers went in the first? Yeah, sure. Two, right?

Yeah. Saw two. That's if that's happened in 2018 and 2019, but that's, that's a low number, man. Two wide receivers to go in the first, yeah. I don't think it'll happen. I don't think it'll happen, but. Right. I agree with you, but that was something that jumped out to me here.

I mean, this is a low number. When you have three running backs, go ahead, anything else? The corner group's good, man. I like the corner group and you start looking at it. Thomas, the kid from Florida State, I won't say where he goes, but I think he deserves to go in the first round. His tape's really good, man. He's there.

Yeah, he's in there. So, I mean, when you start looking at that corner, there's some corners that I think could still go in the first round that aren't in the first round. It's a good group. I really like the corner group, so that's going to push some receivers back too. One pick I really liked.

You're not going to guess it. Seattle. Seattle takes safety. Nick Emo Warrior from South Carolina. Your logic, though, is what really makes it great, right? Thank you. Mike McDonald was at Baltimore, had Kyle Hamilton, who was also a very tall safety, who was churned into an all-world player. I love that. I love the idea of Mike McDonald getting a Kyle Hamilton-type player there. I turned it in late last night. Yeah? I woke up this

morning before I got out of bed scrolling around, and I saw Eamon Worry making visit today to Seattle. Oh, no way. Interesting, right? Yeah. It means absolutely nothing. He's probably visiting 10 to 15 teams, whatever it is. But it just, you know, it was like a sign that she was a sign. All right. Last thing, we gotta get rolling.

Gotta get out of here. I'm so many more, but go ahead. I know. Go, but you gotta cut me off at some point. We could do this all night. You gotta Google. It's a McShay report. Please, like, get involved, man.

We got six weeks and the week after in the way too early mock draft. I don't know if that counts. I haven't talked to accounting. I don't know if the $4 covers that or if we're on to 2026. So you might as well double down. You got to double down. Last thing I promised it. I made one trade in this.

I love that. There could be more. I made one trade in here. And I tried to pick the right spot. I'm telling you right now, I feel very, very strongly that if the New York Giants do not draft a quarterback at three, whether it's Shador going at two or Dave Ball just says, that's not my guy at three, that they're moving back into the first round.

And they're going to try to get aggressive to get Jackson Dart. Now, if he goes like Kuyper's got him going number nine, then yeah, they're out of luck. But I do believe a team will move in. I think it will be, I think the best chances I look at it right now would be with the Giants, given their circumstances to win now, hope for the future, all of that. I put him up from 34, yeah, 34 to 19 with the Tampa Bay Bucks. I was looking at Tampa Bay. It's like, yeah, they got a linebacker knee.

They have needs, but they're better off moving back. So I gave the bucks moving from 19 to 34 and I'm going to have Bucks fans. I'm with you, man. I was at a Bucks games a couple years ago. My son's a huge Buccaneers fan. Thought it was just Tom Brady. He's a Bucs fan. He's a Baker-Madefield lunatic.

So I feel you. move the bucks down to 34 gave them a pick plus in compensation. I gave him picks 34, 65, which is the first pick in the third round. So that's valuable. That's basically an extension of a second round. And a third rounder next year. I went and studied the compensation. That's about what you would get.

So you move back 15 spots. You're getting like pretty same type of player at 34. damn good player at 34 man that is a damn good player to get at 34 i won't give the name you know who i gave him at 34 you say it trey amos i mean he's a guy that could sneak in if you get him at 34 i love that out of old miss corner out of old miss so that that gives you a situation where you get treyamos at 34 it's not much better than you're getting in 19 nope right and and now we've got we get picked sick the first pick in the third round and we got a third next year so yeah keeping it rolling there for Jason Light.

And I could see Jason making a deal like that. Yeah. And it's realistic, too. He could end up getting desperate. Because we'll see what happens with Pittsburgh in the quarterback position. I don't know that Denver's going to move out of that spot. Maybe they would. But you got to get ahead of Pittsburgh.

It was a good trade. I liked it. And I gave the Giants. I guess that's the highlight of all this. I had the Giants moving up for Jackson Dart. I couldn't go as high as nine, so I went to 19. I like it. It's good.

man starting to get your uh mojo back your swagger sorry i'm feeling it baby i'm feeling i'm literally going to click off of this and go i've got wide receivers to finish up we're back on monday mondays and thursdays that's a rotation until that last week of the draft and we're going to be with you every day we're going to absolutely wear you down and we're going to have monday morning night tuesday wednesday live show thursday or live show maybe wednesday night with a live audience we're working on it we'll see how it happens connor's fighting his hand punch me right now for even throwing it out there. Dangle it, baby.

Dangle it. Thursday draft, all sorts of plans. We had a lot of, and I can't wait to tell you what Mench and I are doing on day three of the draft this year, you're not going to believe it. Oh, it's going to be a blast. I can't wait. Anyway, Mondays and Thursdays, please subscribe. Stay with us.

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Appreciate it. We'll see you on Monday. Have an awesome weekend, Munch. Love you, brother. Keep up the good work. I know you're in the weeds. I can tell.

Yeah. I can tell you. I see it in your eyes. You're on like, it's good. I'm going to give you the type of player that Mench is working on right now. If my phone will unlock,

he always does this. Perfect way to end. And everyone's getting ready to go. Everyone's mad at me. I'm going to give you, I'm going to give you three names that Munch could be working on right now. You ready? Interesting. I've got Mench, depending on the position.

We got wide receivers coming up, but I'm going to give you. Yeah. I'm going to say he's working on a player the caliber of a Robert Longer Beam, Rutgers Corner. We're not laughing at you. We're just, we're laughing. No, no, no, no, no. Right. Robert.

That's where we are. I could see. We're done with the running backs. We get tight ends coming up. I could see him grinding out some, some Maliki Motavo, the UCLA, tight end. And a wide receiver as he preps for our Monday show, we're going to do our position report.

Ricky White. Yeah, with that 4, that 4-6140 from UNLV. I can see you on like, I love Ricky White. I can see you on. Conada Mumfield from Pittsburgh, 4-5-9. Yeah. Section number five trying to hang on to that.

Catch guy. Yeah, that's where it mentions right now. I see it in his eyes. We'll see you guys on Monday. Thanks, man. Must be 21 plus and present in select states for Kansas in affiliation with Kansas Star Casino or 18 plus and present in D.C. Gambling problem?

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