The McShay Show - NFL Combine WR & RB Reactions: Is Matthew Golden the New WR1? Plus, The Running Back Class Shows Out.

Episode Date: March 2, 2025

Welcome back to ‘The McShay Show’! Todd and Steve open the show by breaking down the record-breaking combine results from this year’s running back class, including TreVeyon Henderson, Omarion Hampton, and RJ Harvey. Then, they shift to some of the winners of the WR workouts, including Texas’s Matthew Golden and Iowa State’s Jaylin Noel, before wrapping up the show with the quarterback workouts. (0:00) Welcome to the McShay Show!  (2:51) Day 3 Reactions Live from Indy (4:50) Evaluating the RB Workouts (31:30) Day 3 Combine Standouts (39:50) Evaluating the WR Workouts (1:15:20) Evaluating the QB Workouts (1:27:50) Thanks for Watching! The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Sign up today to receive Todd’s Mock 1.0 and premium access to every mock draft, exclusive scouting reports, inside information from league sources, and deep-dive analysis from now until the draft. Host: Todd McShay Guest: Steve Muench Producers: Tucker Tashjian, Mark Panik, Conor Nevins, and Daniel Comer Social: Eduardo Ocampo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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at the combine here. Plus, telling performances, both good and bad from the quarterbacks and the wide receivers. It's day three of the 2025 NFL draft and in just 54 days until the NFL draft. Hey, bud. What's up, man? Men's you good? I'm good, man. All right, let's get into this. I'm excited. I really am. Three days, it's been building. Yesterday, we had a good day with the defensive backs. we saw some exciting numbers, but this running back class, we've been hyping for so long. And it not always does it match up, like we saw with the interior defensive line. Today it matched up. I mean, this was actually a record-setting performance for the running backs.

This running back group average 4-48, just watching these 40s flying. They were flying, and it was like one after another after another. So when I saw the average, it wasn't shocking. A 4-4-8 was the average. That's the fastest in the history of the combine for the running back position. I'm going to start with one guy that is not in the top of the rankings, and we'll get to the top of the rankings and the guys that had phenomenal days. Ashton Jinty's number one on most people's boards,

he's the only one of the top running backs that didn't work out, so it created a little opportunity for some others. But Bachel Tootin from Virginia Tech. Have a day. Have a day, man. Basial Tutin came out and I mean I've got him as the 14th best running back

in this class. Most years that's not a good thing. This year it's not a terrible thing. 5'9 and a quarter. 206 pounds. He's got the biggest freaking thighs and quads you've ever seen. He had a 40 and a half inch vertical which was best in class, right?

10-10 broad jump second best in class and a four three 42 40-yard dash for Basial Tutin from Virginia Tech. 432. It's fascinating, but maybe not surprising.

I mean, this guy, if you really study his background in history, he grew up in a family of track athletes. His dad was a sprinter. His mother was a record-breaking spritter in hurdles. And he had a 10-9-100 meter in high school himself. So, yes, that track background certainly helps.

But you see the straight-line explosive from him on tape. And that's what we saw today. This isn't, we're not talking about lateral agility. We're not talking about catching the football, which is an area he's going to have to improve upon. Everything I saw on tape was outlets and screens and just, you know, he's not part of the complex route tree at Virginia Tech and during his collegiate days. But you look at those numbers and talk about the buckets or the, you know, the clusters that we're trying to break with all these guys. this is a huge day for Tutton. Yeah, and you think about 206 pounds,

and you might say, well, that doesn't seem that big, but it's a 5-foot-9 frame. So he's a really compact build, and when you watch the tape, he's got great contact balance. He's a tough runner. The other thing you want to keep in mind, 23, two kickoff returns for touchdowns. You've got a guy that's probably going to push for time

in the return game right away. So let's start up the rankings real quickly, if we can, okay? And let's take a look at all these star running backs, at all these guys that were in our top 100. And what it really gets me excited is that we had the vast majority of this group working out, which was not the case at all of the other positions, okay? And so when you look at Ashton Jinty on a Boise State, number one running back, projected by most to go in the top 15 and ranked by most, somewhere in the top six, seven spots in this year's class, okay?

He did not work out. After that, though, you got Omari. and Hampton from North Carolina, who, and a lot of people's minds now is starting to kind of creep up there. And I told you, after I finished his tape, and you've been saying for a long time, he's clearly your number two, I don't think there's a big gap between Gentie and Hampton. And that to me was eye-opening when I started watching his tape and seeing him at 221 pounds, how light he was on his feet, almost six feet tall, of 5-11 and 3 quarters. He today had a 10, 10 in the broad jump, okay, which was tied for second best, 38-inch vertical at his size,

which was eighth best. But remember, he's 221. It gets like a lot of other running backs like Travion Henderson 202, R.J. Harvey 205, Jordan Thomas, 205, Dylan Samson, 200, okay? So to do these things that he's doing with the number two broad jump and the eighth vertical jump in a loaded class says something. and then you start to look at the 40-yard dash. What was his final result in the 40?

Let me see if I can pull that up. 4-4-6. 4-46. Yep. Thoughts. I mean, he showed out. I mean, he backed up everything that we saw on tape. There was no disappointments there.

And again, keep in mind when we're talking about this because there were some other players that were smaller that ran better. But keep in mind, it's that size. This is 220 pounds moving at 4-4-6. Lower body explosiveness. Lower body explosiveness checks all the marks in terms of the jumps. Burst and speed checks all the marks when you see that 40 time. I just thought he had a great day.

You know, reassured everyone of what they were seeing on tape. All right, Tucker, let's pull up those, the running back. Tucker, we're going today, baby. We're in speed. Yeah, we've been kind of just grinding through the last few days, but today we are rolling. I want to see these. The rankings coming up, right? And beyond Omarian Hampton, here are the other running backs.

I firmly believe at least two running backs are going to go in the first round. And I want to go through this too because when you start looking at this running back, at this mock draft, if you will, at the draft board and the teams that could be in the market for running backs. And this doesn't exclude any other team. You know, I don't think many people thought that Jemir Gibbs was going to go to Detroit. Right. So when I read off this list of teams, don't get it twisted. This doesn't mean these are the only teams that they could go to. But here are some spots that I think the possibilities for these running backs in the first round. And I'll come back to early second round as well. The Raiders, I think they're in the quarterback market.

We'll get into a lot of discussions about the quarterbacks, how they through today. We'll get into a lot of discussions about the quarterbacks and where they could go and some of the movement and free agency as it occurs in the next few years. weeks, okay? However, the Raiders at 6 is the first spot where there is a team that has a need at running back and they're picking at 6, as I mentioned. 10 Chicago, expect it fully to be an offensive lineman, but we'll get to the second round a little bit. Dallas at 12 seems like the spot where everyone has a pegged maybe most likely in that top 15 range for a running back to go, okay? After that, there's going to be the stretch in the early 20s starting. with 20 Denver, 21 Pittsburgh, Chargers at 22, and Vikings at 24. And the reason I say those

teams, let's look at Denver, right? Undraft, I always say undrafted because I'm so in the draft mode. Unrestricted free agent, Giovante Williams, and an Audric Estimate, okay? And they've got Audric Estimate. Then you've got, as I mentioned, Pittsburgh at 21, Naji, Unrestricted free agent. then the next pick after that, 22, J.K. Dobbins for the Chargers, unrestricted free agent, 24, Minnesota Vikings, UFA, Aaron Jones, and Cam Acres.

So that range right there. If there's going to be a third back, because I truly believe in the top 20, Ashton Jinty and Omari and Hampton are off the board. At that point, is there a third back that goes? And let's say maybe one of them doesn't go in the top 20. I refuse to believe that if it's jinty that goes early, that Hampton wouldn't go somewhere over 20 to 24,

okay, with Denver, Pittsburgh, L.A. Chargers in Minnesota. But if there's a third back, and again, Tucklets roll it, the rankings, right, running back rankings, if you probably have it up already. You do, right? Yeah, I see you smirking back there. He's on a heater tonight. Don't get it twisted. This running back group, Trayvion Henderson, we have the third running back.

Caleb Johnson from Iowa, we'll get to him. All of these guys worked out, Quentin, Judkins. Quintzhan Junkins. Cam Scadaboo, Jump, did not run a 40, so he was a little bit limited. R.J. Harvey worked out. Jordan James worked out. Dylan Samson worked out all the way down the line. All these guys did.

Trayvion, though, and we'll transition now. Trayvion Henderson is the most likely to be the third running back drafted in the first round. Let's look at what he did today. He had a 38 and a half vertical jump, which was tied for fourth. He had a 10-8 broad jump tied for sixth. And tied for six this year, it would be like second or third most years. I was wondering I'm going to say that because those are outstanding results for a running back. You know, you're here tied for six, and I think people might say,

oh, he was only, you know, sixth best here? That's not that great. No, that is an outstanding number for a running back. Just to be clear, an outstanding vertical jump for a running back is 38 and a half. Exactly that mark. For a broad jump, it's 10 foot five. Those are outstanding numbers for running backs. Yeah, and a 40, it's 448.

Right. And we do the measurables that matter each year. We've done like deep, long studies over the history the last two decades, and we've updated it with numbers and tried to correlate to essentially trying to say, We're looking, and it's in the background here, so if I point, it means I'm pointing up at the big screen that we have in this wonderful hotel. By the way, welcome into the show. I'm the worst host in the history of the world, but I hope it's part of the fun for everyone. Welcome into the show.

We appreciate you watching on YouTube, watching live right now while the combine's still going on. If you're here, a special love to you. And also watching live on Spotify. And this podcast will be out on anywhere that you get a podcast. if you're listening, we appreciate it as well. So when I look at this in the measurables that matter, right, we've spent all this time figuring out what correlates. And over time, like looking at the running backs and guys who go on to have success,

the three most important measurables in this order, broad jump, 40, vertical jump. So that's why I'm going through these numbers specifically through the running. running backs and mentioned I were tracking them all day long. And so for Trayvion Henderson, not the biggest back. He's not 221 like Omari in Hampton, but he showed up just over 510, 202 pounds, had the fourth best vertical jump, six best broad jump, both numbers, both numbers in that outstanding range. Literally right, that 38 and a half is right at the outstanding range. The 10-8 is three inches over the outstanding range. And the 40-yard dash, 4-4-3 is better than the outstanding number,

kind of the benchmark of 4-48. So, great day. Judkins was the one that jumped out to me even more, though. All right, get into it. Because he did that. He had the same vertical, a better broad at 11 feet, and he did it at 221 pounds. He ran a 4-48.

He did it 200. I called you a couple weeks ago, and I said, man, Judkins, I loved him at Ole Miss. I'm not sure I'm seeing it as much this year. I think he's a very good running back prospect. I'm not sure he's in that top tier of running backs. Well, now I feel like he's in that top tier of running backs. I got to go back, watch again, maybe watch the tape from two years ago again,

because that workout is, it's phenomenal. I mean, again, at 221 pounds to broad jump 11 feet is insane. It is, and I remember sitting with, with Lane Kiffin. And two years, maybe three years, probably three years ago now. And just talking about how Judkins and he had that breakout freshman year. So it was three, maybe four years ago when we met. And just talking about, he's like, he's got everything you want, like a pounder, this and that.

But wasn't sure, I'm not sure what he'll eventually run, you know. Yeah. And so this is a guy who's kind of, he was not like the five star. he was not the elite. They actually thought they may have more talented running backs at Ole Miss at the time. But he just, he wasn't going to give up that job. He was rotating as a backup,

but he clearly like had emerged as all the younger running backs. But there were questions about is he going to have that like explosiveness that eventually will get him drafted early. And this workout clearly shows that he does. And he ran a 4-4-8. I don't know if you mentioned that, 4-4-8. in the 40. I say this all because you get into the second round,

and I just mentioned the teams in the first round and where they were picking. I don't have the, I'm not going to pull up the picks now. We're so far away, and we can get to all this later. But based off of the draft order, and I'm assuming all these teams have second round picks, if they don't, excuse me right now, which is not in that mode. But Cleveland will pick early.

They need a running back. Okay, I didn't mention them there because they're not taking a running back at two. Vegas was a stretch at six. but Cleveland needs a running back, okay? And when you look at the Brown situation, Nick Chubb, Jerome Ford, they could use a young running back, and if it's not in the second, we'll get to all the depth here in the third round. New England Patriots, clearly not taking a running back in number four.

Maybe it won't be early in the second round. But they'll have an early pick in the second round. They have a running back need. When you look at their situation, Remandre Stevenson and Antonio Gibson, I think they're looking to get younger, pay less, and get a little bit more explosive. Vegas, as I mentioned, it's six. Probably not going to take a running back there.

But if you're staring at a Trayvion Henderson that falls, or at Judkins that falls, or a freaking Caleb Johnson, who I've got is the fourth running back, who didn't jump. Slightly disappointing. Like, of all the top backs, I thought Caleb was a little bit disappointing. I thought he might crack based on his speed. It's smooth speed.

It's not like that. It's very smooth speed. It feels like deceptive speed, but maybe it's just not deceptive. Maybe it is what it is. But he wound up running the official time today was a 4-5-7. So like when you start to look at these guys, and he was 224, the biggest of the bigger backs, three pounds heavier than Omari and Hampton, but also, you know, an inch and change taller.

He's 6-1-224. I still think he's a home run day two back. I mean, just the tape. Trust the tape on that one. Oh, oh. I think he's a fourth back taken. I hope, yeah, I hope he runs at his pro day. I hope he gets that number down a little bit. I just trust the tape with him too much. He is, if you're a zone heavy scheme and you run outside zone a lot, which a lot of NFL teams do,

this kid is a perfect fit for what you want to do. And again, I know that number is kind of high, but when you watch the tape, he pulls away. He's quick, man. Let's pull up the top 40s, and I want to go through each category here, okay? The 40-yard dashes, I mean, this group, I got to, I think, eight deep. And you know what the tied for seventh? The seventh and eighth best were? What?

4-4-3. That's like a good wide receiver class. I'll be interested to see when the officials come out and they average it all up. Were the running backs faster by average than the wide receivers this year? We told you the running backs were going to steal the show, and I'm not like the I told you so guy. But like a little bit. I am right now.

But we knew coming in that this was going to be an awesome showing. Even I didn't know it was going to be like this. No. I truly didn't. No. And so if you pull up the top 10 or the top running back 40-yard dash, here's what I've got. Tutin from Virginia Tech 432.

Jade on Blue running back from Texas. We knew he was going to run well. And he did. And listen, you're going to draft that guy to be. the, let's call it the Jemir Gibbs Light. Right. You know what I mean? Right.

In that kind of role, but he's not going to be as significant a factor. But screens, outlet passes, comes in in certain situations, get him in a draw, hit a crease when you spread out the defense. This guy has explosive traits, and he showed it by running a 438. Brashard Smith, that's my guy. Your guy. Former wide receiver from SMU. goes from Miami to SMU has a monster year this past year.

They make the college football playoff run that they made. Smith was a huge part of it. And he ran a 4-3-9, the third fastest time. RJ Harvey, fourth fastest time, 4-4-0. I mean, it's just remarkable when you, Montreal Johnson Jr. From Florida runs a 4-4-1. You got ETN. Yep.

Trevor E.T.N. Ran a 4-4-2, which is six best. And then the two guys, as I said, were tied for seventh. Travion Henderson and our guy, and I want to get to him now, DJ Giddens. The human glitch. The human glitch. My favorite nickname in this year's draft class from you mentioned so far. Giddens, I want you to understand, when you watch this guy on tape,

he looks like a 5-9 scat back because he's so quick. His ability to like, like, Like that, like in and out of breaks and tiny spaces make guys miss. I think you and I watched. We didn't coordinate it, but you and I watched his tape within like a three-day span. And we're both like, oh, what, like. And you got to remember we're getting to him because we're trying to go down the line. And you get to him, and I think he was like 20, 22 in my list of guys to watch tape.

Right. And now I've got, I've bumped him up to 12 on the board because I loved his tape. shows up here he's over six feet tall, 212 pounds. Listen to this. I just told you the 40. 4-4-3 he ran, right? Tied for 7th best in the fastest class in the history of the NFL combine for running backs.

Tied for 7th. He had a 39-5-inch vertical showing that lower body explosion that you're looking for. And remember the measurables that matter we talked about. Broad jump, 40, vertical jump. His vertical was tied for second, and his broad as well. It's tied for second.

10-10 in the broad job. Another guy who had all outstanding numbers and the measurable as the matter. Yes. Just crushed it. By the way, Dylan Samson from Tennessee didn't run today. He didn't run because I guess he's a little bit banged up.

He did work out during, I thought he looked great on the field. He did. I thought he looked awesome. Caught the ball really, really well. Awesome on the field. So it was kind of a bummer that he didn't run. I think he's going to go to his pro day

and you're going to see a sub-4-48 time easily. So if he had run here, that time could have gone. even lower. What else stood out to you? Well, sorry. Let's flip it over. Let's run down.

We just did the 40s. Let's look at the broad jumps, okay? Because that's what we said, the number one measurable that matters. And it makes sense, right? With these running backs, you need to see that lower body explosion. Contact balance. Power as an inside runner. Can they fight through it?

Plus, the lower body strength equals explosion in the run game and firing out. And when you look at the top guys in terms of the broad jump, Quinchan Jutkins, your guy right there again, number one, 11-foot broad jump. Remember, the outstanding number is a 10-5, and I'm going to get seven-deep of guys that were all 10-7 or better. LeQuint Allen from Syracuse, okay?

LeQuint's got the best hands of any running back in this class. As a runner, he's a little bit upright. I think maybe some people have overrated him a little bit, and I want to put that in context, because, A, we're talking about arguably the best running back class ever, and certainly since 2017, when we had Christian McCaffrey, Leonard Fournett, and 30 guys drafted, okay?

So I'm just trying to keep that in perspective when I say maybe, because all of a sudden you started to see some people putting up as like the number three or number four running back. I don't think he's at that level, but I think there's a case to be made somewhere in like that 9 to 13 range in this class. It's good back. Because he catches the ball so damn well. Pass protection, not so much, but he was utilized so much in the passing game as a receiver. He just hasn't worked at it yet.

He's a good kind of straight line back. Doesn't have a lot of, like, but he does, he does, like, he makes a sharp cut. That's what I've noticed. He'll, like, get in the open field, he'll kind of go against the grain. Anyway, he shows that lower body explosiveness to go with that pass-catching ability with his 10-10. Also at 10-10 in the broad jump. Our guy Giddens again. Our guy, Omarian Hampton, again.

Of course, Tootin's up there again. Then you get to sixth in the rankings with a 10-8, Trayvion Henderson. And then seven, RJ Harvey Harvey. I was going to be honest. I was watching these body types and the way they were working out. And my thought was, where do they shop for pants? like their quads their quads are so big

that I was like where do these guys get their clothes because I don't even know they can't go and get regular in pants and try to pull them over like these quads are so massive and you see it again what does that mean?

Like what do we are you just being silly mention? No like when you see a guy built like that who carries his weight like that it translates to how their ability to break tackles their ability to push the pile when they don't you know when they don't have a seam It all adds up when you're looking at the overall evaluation.

I think the AXX behind you is, I'm just looking at the comments right, T.J. Max, maybe they could go get some shorts there. Quadzilla's everywhere, though. There are. I'm trying to pull up our live chat to make sure we're falling along. We are falling along. Paulino 89, love it. Brett Jones, the fantasy plumber.

Not sure what that name's all about. But we appreciate everyone watching and hanging around, and there are some questions later. We'll try to get to them. In that list, let me see with the vertical jumps. Yeah, let's rip through vertical jumps again. And I know I'm boring people with some numbers, but I hope you're going to see the trends that we're trying to get to here, okay?

The vertical jumps, a lot of the same names, except Tucker's boy Scataboo is in there at number two with a 39-and-a-half-inch vertical behind Tutin that we talked about with 40.5 in his vertical. After that, again, Giddens, 39 and a half. Judkins, 38 and a half. Edwards, that's right, I forgot, Donovan Edwards from Michigan. He had a nice day. The face of NCAA 24, right?

Some of the faces of that game didn't really work out. Yes, but good performance today. Also, Henderson, Trevion Henderson, with the 38 and a half as well, and then we're just beyond that. Omarie and Hampton with 38 and RJ Harvey. RJ Harvey's name keeps coming up here. Yeah. Right.

RJ Harvey ran the fourth fastest 40-yard dash. RJ Harvey had the seventh best broad jump at 10-7. RJ Harvey had a 38-inch vertical. Not just here. You've been talking about his tape for, I feel like, a few weeks now. When I go back to his tape study, there were so many things that stood out. I just, I love his vision. I love the fact that he is able to make guys miss in a small area.

When I looked at him, I went from, yeah, he's a nice mid-round back to, I think, I think absolutely third round, but like early third round. Wow. I really do. Wow. His run style and I just love his feet. He's absolutely electric. he's one of those pick and slide runners.

He's moving laterally until he doesn't need to move laterally. He's kind of and then goes. Yep. You know? And his ability to stop, start, but also to just accelerate initially after the patience that you need and the vision you have, when you see the crease or you feel the crease cutting back, the ability to get to top speed in a flash is so important in the NFL. Because that crease ain't staying open. Right.

you know yeah you better hit it and Harvey I think versatility is his strength like pass pro I thought he was overwhelmed a little bit at times but he as you said

he is stronger and a little bit more powerful with contact balance than you would see that you would think and remember 205 at 58 is like

215 at 6 1 right you know like he's tightly packed so I'm not saying this is a great comp, but I always think of Maurice Jones drew because he wasn't, you know, his size wasn't massive in terms of his weight

but he was built so low to the ground. He, you know, he's so powerful. I went with Aaron Jones, right? Yeah. Yeah, I was just making sure because I saw, there was a couple guys that have a little bit of that quality from Aaron Jones. Aaron Jones is the guy he reminds me of. A little bit undersized, can break, can, you know,

bounce off of some tackles, but it's his electric feet that make him special and have given him the career that has had. The other thing about R.J. Harvey, if you're in the fan base of a team and they wind up drafting him, he is a, what do they call it, force multiplier, the guy who comes into the locker room, and he just pushes everyone involved, he gets the best out of his teammates, constantly driving himself, he's a leader. I just, I think he, there's, outside of, like, he can get a little better on pass protection, I don't see much in terms of the weaknesses. Right. He wanted to

be an inch or two taller? Great. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. I mean, get over it. The best running back to come out in a long time is Ashton Genty, right?

Well, not in a long time, but he's up there in like the top five in the last maybe decade in terms of talented backs to come out in the draft. He's up there in the top four or five. And he's five, he checked in at five, five, eight and a half. So it's almost a strength. You can't be okay with one and not the other. Yeah. Yeah. It's almost a strength at that position.

Yeah. What else jumped out, man? I want to give you a guy that flew under the radar because of all these numbers and maybe he's not the top of any list. Rocket Sanders from South Carolina, man. Yeah. 217 pounds. He ran a 4-4-6.

He hit a 36-5-inch vertical. Very productive player. Runs really hard on tape. You know, productive at Arkansas, productive at South Carolina. Someone who's maybe flying under the radar, but when you look at that height-weight speed, he's a guy that you've got to go back and look at and maybe we're a little bit low or maybe I'm a little bit low on him, I should say.

Yeah, it's just, I mean, if you're looking for a guy, Jordan James had a meh day. I know, but, no, I know. Yeah, I'm good at the tape. Go ahead. No, I'm just saying, what's fascinating to me is I don't think you change buckets. I'm not a bucket change or believer.

No, yeah. If that's a thing. but I do think within the bucket you mix around. The issue is when you compare, when you put Jordan James, like I consider him a bucket ahead of some of these other guys. Yeah. Like when you get to LeQuint Allen from Syracuse, when you get to Jaden Blue from Texas,

when you get to DJ Giddens, I would put Giddens up there. Yeah, I would say. Yeah, I'm just kind of going through different notes here. But to me it would be like, all right, Let's get past it. We got Camp Scataboo. We got R.J. Harvey.

We got Dylan Sampson. I think that, like, is a cutoff to me. Okay. In terms of my tape evaluation. Right. So for me, it would be Jinty, Hampton, Henderson, Caleb Johnson, Quinshon Judkins, Scataboo, R.J. Harvey, Jordan James, Dylan Sampson. Nine backs.

They're all so good. Right? Based off tape where I'm like, I don't really want to have a discussion that one of these other guys is in these three buckets, if you will. You can create buckets within those first nine guys, but those are my nine, off of tape. Yeah. Okay?

What's interesting is, James would be eight on that list for me. Okay. Kind of right neck-in-neck with Dylan Samson. James shows up, five-nine and a half, 205. Perfectly fine. But a 99 broad isn't like the worst thing in the world, but when we're talking about R.J. Harvey's of the world,

10-7 and Tutin with a 10-10, and LeQuinn-A-Tam and Giddens with a 10-10, you know, there's a difference, the lower-body explosion. So at what point, and then you look at the 455 in the 40-yard dash, it's only 205. And now you're looking at, what I say, eight guys ran a 4-4-3 or better, you know? Yeah, it all adds up. I get it.

And that's why he may not go, he may go a little bit later than those guys in the same bucket. I totally agree. Watch the tape. And I know you're going to agree with me on this one too. Find a guy who hits the whole harder. Find a guy who runs harder than Jordan James. You're going to have a hard time. Yeah.

I guess what I'm presenting to you is we've got Breschard. We got, sorry, DJ Giddens, it's six foot, 212, second best vertical, second best broad, top, top 740. We ran a 4-4-3. We got Bashul Tutin, like almost a combine record-breaking type day. At 206, 509-2-206, ran a 432. By the way, that 4-3-2 folks is faster than Jemir Gibbs. Faster than Sequin Barkley. Like, whew.

Yeah, Sequin's a lot bigger, but yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Jemir isn't. No. And Jemir's like electric. He's an okay. He's electric.

So, I don't know. It's just, these are eye-opening numbers. So, again, not in that tier based off of tape, a tier below, but Giddens with that performance, Tootin with that performance. Breschard Smith, got to him before, former receiver. He ran a, I had 439 as unofficial. It was definitely. Yeah, 439 official.

It was 439 official. Now, his jumps weren't any good, though. 32 and a half. It might have been the, it was among the, like, three or four lowest. And not shock. I don't see that lower body explosive. I see speed and finesse and smooth. But his speed, like a huge of 439 versus a 4-5-5, you know.

But that tape is totally different. Yeah. The tape, Giddens isn't like, Giddens, we can have a conversation out of Kansas State, okay? Giddens, we can have that conversation. I'm not saying you're going to win in the Army. argument, but we can have a conversation. Interestingly enough, the best measurable guy, Tutin, I just finished his tape. I like him a lot.

I don't think he brings the complete game, like the past catching, the ability to make guys miss, like James does. He doesn't heat it up the same way, even though his numbers say differently. Right. I don't know. Devin Neal, good day. Yeah. Good day. 213, not great, but good.

213 pounds, 511, 10-4 broad jump, 37-5-inch vertical jump, both good, not elite. Below average, 40, though. What was it, I wrote, I only had unofficial when I wrote up. 5-8. Yeah, really below average. I said this about your boy, up and stout. So two of my favorite runners in this class, Jordan James, and I have like nine favorite runners in this class.

But two of my favorite runners in this class, I'm sorry, to cut you off. You can go ahead. But Jordan James and Devin Neal did not run the Times. They ran Emmett Smith Times. Let's call them. Oh, yeah, let's call them that. You know what I mean? I love to call them that.

So if you're going to argue forward, like, yeah, look at Emmett didn't run fast. There's lots of backs. There's lots, I know. And receivers, too, by the way, that don't run those low numbers. But I said this about Western Kentucky, Nicol, Upton Stout, who you love. Didn't have a great workout in terms of the numbers. There's a lot of teams that are going to be happy. with that Devin Neal.

Go ahead. You pass on Devin Neal. Yeah. You know what? They're going to be calling each other. Let them get to us. There's going to be a lot of those phone calls between these decision makers saying, oh, you know, you saw Neil run, right?

They didn't look that good. I don't know, man. I don't know. And then that guy who's downplaying him the entire process will be the guy that takes them. Yeah. Let them fall to us in the fourth round, right? Let them come to us. All right.

Quarterbacks are wide receivers. Where do you want to go first? Let's go wide receivers first. Okay. this wide receiver class, not the greatest. We've said it from the beginning, but a lot of intriguing numbers today. I thought it was interesting. Let me ask you this first.

Have you read anything about Ted McMillan from Arizona or Emeka Abuka from Ohio State having, was it injury related? Or was it choice? I did not see. I do not either. I sometimes wonder if people think that their, if players think based off of agents or their team around them, that they're rated higher, locked in, whatever it is. Right.

And that question comes to mind, assuming that there wasn't something significant with Ted McMillan that we have not read, with Ted McMillan from Arizona. I said it earlier in the week. I finished up his tape. I think he's a really good player. I see the length. I see the ability to get down the field. I see the acrobatic catches.

I also see a guy who lacks urgency and consistency at times. I think he needs a lot of workers as a Routrunner. I thought Drake London is a fair comp in that there's similar traits and heights and weights and kind of that athletic flexibility. But I thought there was a lot more dog in Drake coming out. Yeah. I did. I don't see.

For me, the top cluster is 3D. Okay. Ted McMillan, Matthew Golden, Amika Abuka. Amika, let me start with this. I'm not sure the exact reason. I'm sure he had a perfectly good reason. And by the way, reason enough for me is Ohio State played like three days ago, it feels like in the national championship game.

Yeah, but those backs came out and put on our show. They did. But I'm saying maybe it's different at the wide receiver position, trying to run that track time, give himself three more. more weeks to prepare. I can live with that. When did Arizona season? When did Arizona season end? October? Good lie. So, and if you see my eyes going up there, I'm watching Tyler Shuck finish up his quarterback throwing. So I'm not ignoring this show. I'm pretending that I'm not here.

I just want to make sure I get just as many throws in as possible. Truth be told, I told you, full transparency at all time. We said 7 o'clock. Probably should have pushed it back to 8 o'clock, but it works out perfectly fine. We got all the numbers in that we need. We saw the first group of quarterbacks work out. We've seen a good portion of the quarterbacks working out now.

I'm watching Jalen Milro throw. Mention and I go back probably on the plane tomorrow. We'll have the tape, okay? And we'll go and watch this a little bit more. We're going to have a huge review show. Monday afternoon. We're taping it at 2 o'clock Eastern. We should have it out later.

We will have it out later that day, okay? and Tucker's shaking his head up and down that means we will have it out later that day. My man comes through. And we're going to break down all this stuff and we can get into more detail and I got a lot. I send you some notes. I got a lot of stuff in the last 24 hours

from GMs and what's called decision makers. A lot of stuff that we're going to get to on Monday. Okay? And the McShay report is coming out on Monday morning. You're going to want to double down. Yeah, you're going to want to double down for 36. or at least ante up the four bucks to get involved through this draft. I was shocked at the information I got.

I wasn't shocked. And I'm not holding out tonight because the quarterback receiver running back workouts. I'm not holding out tonight to try to get people to subscribe and all that. It's just not my nature. I'm holding out because I need to confirm a couple things before I'm ready to say the things that I want to say. But we got a lot of things to get into reviewing all these numbers, putting it all in perspective, really giving you the winners, the disappointments, guys who are rising, but also some information from a week here in Indianapolis,

where, like, if you're a bellhop or a valet, you're going to have some NFL draft buzz, right, by the end of the week. So we got a little bit of information that we want to go through. But Ted McMillan, Matthew Golden, and Emeka Abuka. Abuka gets a pass. McMillan, I'm curious what the reasoning was, but Matthew Golden said, yeah, I'm working out. Let's go put it on a show.

I'll give it a shot. And he ran a 429, folks. A 429. And so what I say to you, it's just my board, and I don't know what you're born and speak freely on what you think here. But from my tape evaluation, and here's the beauty,

they're all completely different players. McMillan is a Drake London. He's an outside X tall guy, box you out, make acrobatic catches, those sorts of things. Abuka is like the most consistent, reliable. He is a security blanket for a receiver, for a quarterback. He can work in the slot. He can work outside. He'll pick you apart in zone as well as he'll pick you apart in man.

The dude is just consistent. But he's not going to be a huge vertical threat for you. And that's why I probably wanted three more weeks to train to run a number that he was satisfied with, and I don't blame him. Okay? But Matthew Golden is a lightning rod. His ability to get in and out of breaks, his like, like his snap, his sharpness, how crispy is, is his secret sauce. And then his ball skills too, something, you think about some of the big catches, body control. And so when Golden comes out today and runs a 429 and has the workout that he has, I was thrilled for him, man.

This is a guy who transferred in from Houston, was kind of sitting behind Isaiah Bond, who was supposed to emerge as the start of this year and never did. And we'll get to Bond versus Golden today, because I thought that was hysterical. 5-11, 191 pounds. He only ran the first 40. I'm not sure if he tweaked something.

He didn't have the jumps, but that 429 is all we need to see. It was almost like a Dion thing. Yeah, see later. Yeah, that's my one run. Adios. Everyone else wanted to see him run again because it was electric, but, you know, I did what I came here to do. So that 429 now is I'm starting to put together the tape, and it's confirmed, because remember, this is a guy like we didn't know enough about and how he was going to handle playing at a big time school in big games, and the games got bigger each week, and his performances kept staying there steady.

He was the guy. I don't know, man. It makes me go back and think. So 511 190. Yeah. If he's one inch taller and 10 pounds heavier, I don't think we're even having the conversation, which is kind of to your point.

I think if he's one inch taller, this kid's six foot, 200 pounds. I think he's the number one wide receiver on the board. I think it's close. I had the same grade for him and McMillan coming in. Both I had 90s on. People might think that's higher for gold. And it's what you said.

I see the best route runner in this. class when I watched the tape. And then you see the guy who's got the speed to take the top off the coverage. And some of these catches that he made down the stretch where he's, you know, having to bend backwards and twist around and snatch the ball out of the air. And he does it naturally. It wasn't like, wow, I just made, like, look at me, I just made this crazy catch for once in my career. Like, he could do that repetitively. I think when it's all setting down, I'm just going to have my number one receiver. Why am I fussing around? I don't love one guy and I love another guy just because the measurables are different.

I just, I don't know. There's time, but I'm just telling you I'm leaning towards. Because I trust him more. I just trust them more. Yeah. And you know who I trust a hell of a lot? I'm not a Buka. Yeah.

And I know. And in a lot of great drafts, you're thrilled about getting them early second. Maybe you're paying late first this year because there's not the catalog there this year that you'd like to normally have. Yeah, I think that's a great way of evaluating his market. I don't think he's normally a first-round pick.

Yeah, he could go there. I wouldn't be surprised if he did, but I'm not excited. But I also want to remind you, like, half the great wide receivers in the NFL were second-round draft pick. True. Do you know, like, true? Yeah. And I think he's got a chance to be a really productive receiver in the NFL.

I'm obviously blowing out of proportion, but I'm telling you, if you go down the list of, like, the top 20 receivers in the league, there's a disproportionate amount they come from the second round. Right. And so even if it was a second round pick, like, what's the difference? If I pick him at 40, do I feel better, I sleep better? I want to know who, who am I going to trust that's going to come into camp and he's going to be

ready and he's going to be someone who's reliable for my quarterback. He's going to make us better. Yeah. And so Ted McMillan better have these phenomenal traits to go along with the. the flash tape. It's not flash tape. A lot of good plays and good things he does on tape, but it's got to kind of counterbalance

some of the stuff that still has to be developed in his game. Do you see the note on the Texas wide receivers, by the way? Yes. Four wide receivers over the last two years with sub-4-40-yard dashes. Well, let's get into this. That's crazy. Let's get into this, though. Isaiah Bond.

He's a big name. Big name in college football. played for one of the biggest programs in college football, played with an offensive coordinator who's a head coach in Steve Sarkeesian, played with a quarterback who was one of the best quarterbacks in the country, didn't have the best year of his career, but widely regarded as one of the best college football quarterbacks in the country. He had everything.

Yeah. He had everything. He's also allegedly blessed with, like, track speed, you know? Like you're saying bolt speed. Yeah. I mean, not really, but. like he's supposed to be. And so we were, here's, here's the message that I was getting from the league.

Don't give up on Isaiah Bond because he's going to put up a number that is so ridiculous and he has some, he has a type of speed where we're going to game plan around him, or not around, we're going to game plan with him with installs every week, and we're going to get that ball in his hand no matter what. And he's going to be able to go do things that a lot of other guys simply can't because they don't have that speed. Right. Is this the most disappointing?

439 40-yard dash in the history of the combine? Yeah, he just hyped himself up. I'm going to break the record. Why say that? Why get on that podium and say, and by the way, I don't understand all this stuff. Again, apologies. I'm still trying to learn everything.

Apparently his miles per hour was the highest at some point that he reached the highest miles per hour during the 40. So I guess that's good. I guess he broke that record. I don't know. I don't know what that record is. But when you come out and say, I'm going to run a 4-2,

and then you run a high four or three, and you've had the season that you've had. I don't get it, man. What a disappointment from, how disappointing this has been since he left Alabama because I really thought he flashed at Alabama. I thought when he went to Texas, this was a kid who was going to have a great 2024

and just skyrocket, and it just hasn't gone that way. Do I'm sure you got that graphic up. Oh, boy, talk. Let me see there. 40-yard debt, yep. So that's the miles per hour. that's what you reach at top. Right.

But he can sustain it, I guess? Yeah. Yeah. I noticed because they did it pretty cool. It was Golden, Bond, and I think it was Xavier Worthy from last year? And Ady Mitchell, too, and a sub-4-4-4. Yeah, I think they didn't do, I don't think they put Mitchell in there, though, the Slamocast, right? Yeah.

And I thought he weirdly got like a slower start compared to the other guys and was trailing behind. That's interesting. Yeah, but anyway. Where else you want to go with these guys? Because there's... You want to, I mean, listen, I'm not going to... I can't believe you're holding back. Your guy, Jalen Knoll, Noel?

Have a day. Another guy. Just, you know, you want him to show up here. You want them to do well and just... I don't want to say he didn't disappoint. Like, he exceeded expectations in almost every way. But I want to remind you, when I watched his tape, I said to you, I don't care. I don't care about his size. I really don't.

I see a player that I absolutely know what I'm getting. And yes, he's not ideal in terms of his measurable, like his heightened weight. He checked in at 510 and a quarter. But that's the other thing. We're not talking about 5'8 or 5.9. He's over 5'10. He's 194. Dude is packed.

It's not tiny, you know. He's tightly packed. Now, the biggest concern of all of it would be the arm hand measurement combo because he's got eight and three quarters, which is, you know, smaller hands, but more importantly, the 29.5 inch arm length. So, like, the cat, and I wrote that in my report. The catch radius is probably the biggest knock I can give on. Right. But he catches the guy, it catches the ball, like a guy with bigger hands.

Extremely well. He's confident. He snatches. Yeah. Strong hands in traffic. Contested catches for a small result. Outstanding. Small hands, but it doesn't show up to me on tape. Nine drops for Jalen Noelle. I'm telling you, like, why is they talking about an Iowa State wide receiver? We got all the,

because his performance today was phenomenal. His production was absolutely phenomenal. When you look at the final three seasons, 202 catches, 2586, okay, 18 touchdown catches his last three seasons, Elite separation skills. Awesome. I'm talking about like a five-year NFL vet in the slot with exceptional quickness and speed. The ability, I put it on, I go to McShay 13 on X, and you'll see. I did it, I kind of got crazy one night, and I had music going in the background, and we're ripping through some videos, and I'm getting yelled at by Dan,

our other producer who's telling me that, how do you not take screen grabs of it? And Marissa is saying, I've been yelling at him for months now. You got a screen grab it or whatever. Catch it or whatever. So I'll get better at it, folks. But you'll get the point. His ability to understand leverage, his stem, set defenders up, work in and out of zones. It's phenomenal.

No fear over the middle. Tough is nails. I don't see what the downside is outside. He's not a massive guy with a great catch radius. But how many guys around, I mean, we've had so many highly productive. receivers like this and a lot of them didn't put up these numbers jalen noelle 510 and a quarter 194 as i told you 41 and a half inch vertical tied for the best in class 112 broad jump best in class 434 40 yard dash third in class not bad good yeah and i got news for you

His running mate, his buddy there? Yeah, he had a good thing, too. 214 pounds, around a 4-47, Jaden Higgins. I'm telling you in two years from now, if you were to say, like, the Iowa State receiving tandem, which, by the way, they perfectly compliment one another, right? Yep, one's an outside guy's going to make. Once an X, one's a Z. Yeah, exactly.

You get your X, you get your Z. Both have speed, both have great route running. Both can get off the press. Higgins has one of the best press array releases. Yeah. If you were to tell me in three years that those two guys were starting receiving tandem in the NFL, that would be pretty good. Yeah, they ended up in the same place.

That would be great. Which they won't. No. Unlike, well, we didn't think Braden Fiske and Jared Verse would, but you never know. Those two guys were just amazing today. Yeah. Higgins, like you said, the height, weight speed length. length combination with the vertical and the broad jump in the 44740.

It's 6.4.214. He's got 33 and an eighth inch arm length. That's elite. And you see it on tape. Again, it translates to tape. He's a guy who can go up and get it. And the 39-inch vertical, the 10-8 broad jump. So those two guys, when we talk about tiers, I think it's Ted McMillan, Matthew Golden,

Amika, Abuka, not in that order. Okay? I think I'm going to go golden, maybe Abouca, then McMillan or Goldman. Wow. We'll see. Probably Golden. Yeah. I'll go Golden, McMillan.

Thank you. Abuka. No Luther Burton. No. Not in that group, huh? No. He's great with the ball on his hands. Anyone who's watched tape for five minutes knows that.

Sensational with the ball on his hands. Ran well today. Low four-four's hand. Ran a four-four-one. Really good time. No jumps. There's a little buyer beware there talking to people in the league. Why did he check out of that Alabama game?

He wasn't getting the ball. Heard that before. That's going to be some stuff he's going to have to answer. There's some stuff that he's going to have to answer. And it consists. I didn't think this past year. Quarterback play wasn't as good. His quarterback's here at the Combine, though.

He's not that terrible. Right. Right. thing because my point was we came into this year and it was tett mcmillan and luther burton that's all it was matth golden was like number three on the on the texas step chart yeah and now he could be wr1 amica abuka yeah he's a good number but like he just he kept stacking good tape and so now we've got mcmillan maybe i'm dropping maybe not even in the number two receiver but dropping from like a top five in my opinion to i think we're getting later

Yeah, he doesn't seem like a top 10 pick to me. No, but he's been mocked by everyone as a top 10 pick. Right. And it drove me crazy. And I got annoyed because our mock draft came out late because I wanted to make sure, like, this isn't, so that was one of the reasons. Burden wasn't in the mock draft,

and it won't be in mock two. No. Okay? I agree with you. But Jaden Higgins and Jalen Noelle are starting to climb up. Moving up, man. And it was based off tape. Remember, Tuck, do we have my wide receiver rankings coming in?

I love Nick in the corner over here doing his stretches. It's been a long week. Yeah, my hips are tight. I'm telling you what. But the wide receiver rankings, McMill and I still had at one. We'll see how that plays out. Golden and Buka. Burdened at four.

He's not going to be there when I released the new ones. Part because of the conversations. The 4-4-1's great. didn't see any jumps from him. Eight and a half inch hands I thought was interesting. And also in part because these other two guys are really, really climbing. Trey Harris, I've got at seven. I want to talk about him.

And I'm going to give you the floor. I had him at seven, but the gap was extremely tight. I don't know that it's completely changes, but talk to me about his numbers, what you saw, and where that brings you. with him. I think he's a top five guy. Listen, you're going to look at that 40 and you're going to say... Tell me about him as a receiver first. Sorry. I just love how tough and physically is after the catch. I mean, that's not the most important thing in a receiver, but that's the funnest thing.

You know, the most exciting thing for me when I'm watching him on tape. It's hugely important for an X wide receiver in a West Coast system. When you get him the ball quickly, he's not a fun guy to tackle. He's just not a fun guy to tackle. I think he runs very well on tape. I don't see any speed deficiency on tape. I think he can separate underneath. So this is that I think he he's a pretty good route runner against man. And this, these are the numbers I want to keep you in keep in mind when I'm talking about this. He ran a 454. So you're like, yeah, four five four. He wasn't quite as big as I thought he was going to be. He was six two and a half, two hundred five pounds. I thought he was going to be more 210, more 215. So not quite as big as I thought he was going to be. But keep

this in mind, 10 yard split, 156. What's an outstanding time for receiver? One, five, 5-5-inch broad jump. We're talking about that lower body explosive. This is a guy that can get off the ball. I think he can get in and out of breaks. He's tough. He's physical. He was hurt for a good portion of this year.

If he wasn't, and he still had a thousand yards receiving, by the way. If he wasn't, I think the buzz is even greater with him. You know, he has, well, I don't want to say a lot of similarities too, but some in terms of the run-after catch and physicality is Debo Samuel. Yeah. And we just got breaking. news shortly just a little while ago. I wanted to confirm, we'd heard it, but I just saw it again. Debo Samuel traded to the Washington commanders for a fifth round pick. That surprised you.

Fifth? That's surprised you. Am I crazy? Fifth seems high. Oh, I thought you were saying it was low. No. I was saying I think it's pretty reasonable. A fifth round pick for Debo Samuel? Yeah, okay, good. we were running down here to come on the show. We had heard it. We wanted to make sure. I think the commanders are getting a steal here. Oh.

For fifth round pick for Debo Samuel. So you're saying... Are you going to get a receiver like Debo Samuel in the fifth round? No, but it's about money and finance. Oh, it works. Okay, so I was right initially. Okay. You think it's reasonable?

Yes, we see this all the time, man. I know. I know we do. It drives me nuts, though. I don't think that's good value. Yeah. we're not here to like Pat Debo in the back, but you're worth a second round pick right now.

This isn't what we're gauging. It's like trying to get out of some cap stuff, trying to figure out how to move forward to the roster, trying to bring in, you know. It's interesting, though. Yeah, a week ago the commanders thought they were getting Matthew Golden at 29. Then they saw that 40, and they're like, that's not happening anymore.

Might as well trade for Debo. Yeah. Yeah, I'm sure John Lynch was. No way Golden's going to be there now. Might as well trade for Debo. Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure Adam was looking at that. Yeah.

It is interesting, though. Now, San Francisco, I mean, they drafted a receiver, Ricky Pearsall from Florida last year in the first round. But they might trade Brandon, too. So they might be in the market for a guy. A lot of dust to settle here, man. We'll see what happens. Yeah, yeah, a lot going through my brain. But anyways, back to Trey Harris.

I think he's a top five guy. Top five receiver in this class? Yeah. I mean, I think I'd take him over burden. Although I will say this. Your top five right now. Right now. Now my top five would be...

I'll give you a list that you can work off of. Golden slash McMillan. I got one right here. Golden slash McMillan. Man, I got Burden there, but I think he's dropping. So right now I have McMillan, Golden, Burden, Harris, Igbuka. But Higgins and Noel are the next two.

And I think both of those guys are climbing. Yeah. So it's going to be interesting. I have Harris as my four. Some disappointing stuff. we'll continue with that. Tess Johnson. Yeah. Love this guy.

No one can cover him in the Senior Bowl. Loved him in some big moments this year. Showed up in big games. Got the injury against Penn State. Still came back and fought. But he's 154 pounds. And he ran 451. 4-5-1.

Yeah. At one point he ran a 4-55 on official, and I read a note that no wide receiver since 2003 under 170 pounds has ever run slow. lower than a 4-55. That was his first 40 unofficial. But his official time was 451. I don't have historical context,

but I think we can all assume that it, or put the pieces together, that it's a damning combination. Not ideal. No. Lightning quick. Tough. Unbelievable of the ball in his hand after the catch,

but can he hold up physically? And if you're going to be that undersized, you better have like backbreaking speed. Yeah. You know? And so today was a rough day for Tess Johnson. Some other guys that were, and it's because like, yeah, whatever, I'm not going to go down a whole road. But maybe you get a great value for him.

He's working with a nutritionist right now. You know, he's got 510 frame essentially. Maybe he can get up to 165, 170 at some point and be, you know. So it's not like the dream is over, like by any stretch of imagination. It's just the hurdle is a little higher for him to clear, if you will, in terms of where he's going to be drafted and kind of what the view is of what he can be in the NFL. So other guys that really stood out. I've got a little list here.

Tim Dyke. Jim D.K. Jim D.K. Yeah, can we talk about that for a second? I know. I don't know. Oh, because we were trying to look up. Yeah.

Go ahead. This is what's fascinating to me is those two Florida receivers, Elijah Badger, also had a good day. Not as good as Jim D.K. But you look at that Florida offense, right? Instability at a quarterback. DJ Legway, talented, but young, Graham Merck. Graham Merck got hurt early.

They had a Yale number three starting for them. Yeah, at one point. It was a messy season for Florida. Keep in mind that Chimdike average 18.6 yards per catch. And Badger, average 20.7 yards per catch. And I'm thinking of this because of the workouts they had today and how important it's going to be to go back and how difficult it is with that passing game being in the state that it was. But how important is to go back because Jim

D.K, if you want to give the numbers, I can give the numbers, whatever you want to do, had an outrageous workout today. I mean, he was six foot, 196 pounds, 151, 10-yard, 43440, 38 and a half inch vertical, 10 foot eight inch broad. I mean, those are outstanding numbers. Badger, by the way, 6-100 pounds, 4-4-3, 35-and-a-half-inch vertical. Pretty damn good day for the Florida kids. When you added Montefelt Johnson, the running back, they had some talent there, man. Yeah, and maybe it just wasn't being utilized. Right. You're making a good point. Yeah. Now that you put it all together for it. Right. So when you're looking at that, this is what's so important for those guys, for guys like that, because you look at Isaiah

Bond and it's a clean picture, right? I've got a, it's a clean picture that he had everything that he needed to be productive, to have a great year, and it didn't work out. Now you look at a guy like Chimdike, and you say to yourself, well, it was kind of messy there. Look at these workout numbers, and when he did get the ball 18.6 yards per catch, he was making plays. Yeah. Yeah, it is actually interesting. Surprise you everyone's all right?

You do. You do, man. Thank you for doing that. A few other guys jumped out. Jalen Lane, Virginia Tech. Jalen Lane, we know a couple guys in the league that really think they kind of want us to just shut up and not bring him up. There's a lot of, but he ruined that for those guys today with the performance that he put out there. Jalen Lane from Virginia Tech was a great return specialist, really good, like, core special teams guy.

So someone you're talking about probably in that third, fourth round range. you know right away he can contribute. Probably going to be like a number four receiver early in his career, but these are numbers that make you think, huh, maybe this guy can be a really good number three. And there are guys in the league that believe in him, okay, guys that we trust. Jalen Lane had a 40-inch vertical today, an 11-foot broad jump. I mean, I didn't.

He and the well were the only two to do that, I think, to have that combo. Yes. And neither of them are these, like, I mean, he's 510 and a quarter. No, hold on. Lane. 596. 5096. So 59 and 3 quarters.

Slot guys. 191. Ran a 434 with a 40-inch vertical and 11 broad job. I mean, those are like astonishing numbers. Good luck catching that. So Jalen Lane is a player who you're going to start to hear his name a little bit more when you get into that late day two range. Okay. Ty Felton.

Interesting cat, man. Yeah. Saw him at the Senior Bowl. He looks, he almost looks and plays a little bigger than the 6-1 frame. Yeah, that's one of the things I had my notes. I love how competitive, how hard he runs after the catch, he breaks some tackles. He's a more physical dude than you might think based on the frame. Yeah, I was a little surprised.

And only 183. I would have guessed he was 6-2 and a little change, 195. Yeah. Maybe 200, I wouldn't have already. Saw the same thing. Isn't it weird? Yeah. I'm normally pretty good with that stuff.

I'm not good with like balancing a checkbook or like, you know, like I don't, I can't handle most of the things around the house. Very clearly have trouble screen grabbing and taking direct shots for my videos. But like I normally am kind of a weird like with that stuff. So I, that went through me. but he ran a 437, 39.5 inch vertical and a 10-10 broad jump. Those are exceptional. That combination. Great day.

Another guy, I get to watch his tape every day. I mean, there's 33 guys here. I've not watched 33 players yet. I will, and we'll get to about 400 usually each year. We got a lot of work to do when we get back home. Sam Brown Jr. from Miami, I've seen him. I've studied in Cam Ward. I know who he is.

I know, but this guy only had 36. catches this past year. 509 yards, 14 yards per catch, two touchdowns. They had a lot of weapons. Spread it out a lot. Yeah. But he was like fifth in the team and receiving it.

So when I saw his name on the list coming here, I was like, okay, because I've, you know, he's part of our list and everything. I was like, okay, so clearly there's something there. They got it right. They got it right because listen to what he put up today. 6-2-and-a-quarter, 200 pounds. That's a big dude. He ran a 4-4-4-4 in the 40 and I had a 41-5-inch vertical.

So I get some tape to study on Sam Brown Jr. Yeah, I mean, especially when you look at that 200 pounds. I mean, that's a bigger frame. A lot of these guys we're talking about are a little bit smaller than that. He's a guy that can play on the outside. I think he's a little inconsistent. I think you're going to see that. But if you're a receiver coach, you're looking at that and saying to yourself,

man, I can work with that kid. The other guy I really want to highlight, too, is Colorado State's Tori Horton. Yes. I thought he had a nice state. I loved his 2023 tape. He missed most of this year, this past year with a knee injury. I loved his 2023 tape, 11.8 yards per catch. And I thought to myself, man, under 12, that competition, maybe he's not, maybe speeds is not the thing for him.

Maybe whatever. Well, today at 196 pounds, 6 foot, he ran a 4-4-1. Speed's not the issue. This guy can run. And the other thing is the 37-5-inch vertical does, that's not surprising to me. This dude will go up and get the football. He makes some acrobatic catches on tape. I'm very excited about him because he was a player that I liked a lot.

I didn't think there was a lot of buzz about him. I think he's going to move into that middle round range. You know, it's interesting. I've watched Royals, Jalen Royals from Utah State and Torrey Horton from Colorado State, but back to back. And I get the explosiveness. Royals ran a 4-4-2. it pretty respectable size, six foot, 205.

He's well put together. I like some things on town. I'm not going to go through a scouting report. I've got it sitting right here. I thought Horton was a better, like a more all-around player. Yeah. And that is not like shared with most people in the league. So maybe I just was having a bad day.

Yeah. But it was good to see, it was good to see him work out well because I think Horton is very much underrated in this class. Savion Williams. Last little nugget. I got some hysterical notes from different people in the last couple of days. He's a, let's call it a big personality.

He's got some funny lines in these meetings with NFL teams. He's a wildcat quarterback. Played quarterback in high school. Plays running back. Playes slot receiver. Plays X. He does a little bit of everything.

Never going to be a master of one. Right? He's never going to be the most refined route runner. He's never going to be able to dissect your zone and be great on, on, you know, read routes and all that stuff. But get the ball in this guy's hands, and he's an absolute freak. He was supposed to have, like, four, three speed. Didn't have it.

But still, it's 6037 222. And the cop is Cordero Patterson. Everyone in the league is like, he's absolutely, He's exactly what Corderole was coming out of Tennessee. A guy that, like, you just don't know where you're going to get. There's going to be some inconsistency. He's not refined in any way, shape, or form. He's a big personality, but my goodness, you get the ball in this guy's hands.

Something special is bound to happen pretty soon. And so Savian Williams, one of those guys, the teammate of Jack Bess, who was the Senior Bowl MVP, two great wide receivers on that team. but at almost 6'4-22 pounds, he still runs a 4-4-8. Yeah. That's moving for that size. I have had reliable conversations with people, and this was before the workout, and their caveat was I want to see if the numbers are what I think,

so maybe it'll change a little bit because it wasn't 4-3. It's high 4-4s, but it could be a day two pick. Yeah. Yeah, just because of that. I kind of like the Taysam Hill comp. He's got some Taysam Hill in him. Not quite as fast as Taysam Hill was coming out of BYU, but... What was Tasson Hill?

He was a burner coming out of BYU. Really? I thought he was more like... I thought he was like mid-fours. All right. Don't need to dive into that now. All right, last part. Yeah, get into it. Most intriguing for most people, least important,

the quarterback's throwing. As was the case with a lot of other positions, so far. We've got offensive line tomorrow, by the way. It was 4-4. We'll have our review show on Monday, as I mentioned. It was what? 4-4-4. So not quite as fast.

It's still a pretty good comment. Yeah. For a guy who is a quarterback. Right. Yeah. We've got our review show coming up. Thank you very much for watching on YouTube right now on Spotify. Wherever you get your podcast, if you're listening, we appreciate you listening as well.

Please subscribe and like and spread the word. Yeah, we're trying to grow this thing and we appreciate all the support that we're getting. The quarterbacks, right? It's an interesting group. It's frustrating that the top two guys aren't throwing, but we've already had that conversation. I'm not here to revisit it. Like, you'd like to see him throw? Will it have changed it where they get drafted?

No, does it make them a horrible human being? No, does it make the guys who throw? Great human beings, no. We did have a great conversation with Tyler Shuck, who said, he would throw. He had a great line. I said, why are you going to, why are you going to throw when some of the other guys aren't throwing? He said, he goes, basically because I've learned over all my experiences, like, you know, ultimately he's saying, you know, part of the answer was he don't take anything for granted. Like, this, I thought this game was taken away from me. I didn't know if I was

going to walk one. Yeah. And then he said, he's kind of adapted the mentality of, you got to compete to compete. I was like, I like that. And then he said, you got to play football to play football. Basically, you better go out and show what you got every day to earn a right to even be able to go play the game that you love. I thought that was pretty awesome. Tyler Shuck competed. He's probably going viral right now.

It was fucking hysterical. The pulpit of the crowd. Yes. Because you got to remember, there are two groups. There's group one, like A through M or N in the alphabet, last names, goes in the middle portion of the workouts today after the running backs. And then the second group of receivers and quarterbacks goes at the end.

And they finished up working out probably like 15 minutes ago now. And Shuck, there were only like two or three quarterbacks, right? And I'll look it up right now. Two or three quarterbacks that actually... There were three quarterbacks who ran. Brady Cook from Missouri. Seth Hennigan from Memphis. Two guys that are...

Hennigan maybe goes late day three, but probably not going to get drafted. And then there's Tyler Shuck, who could be the third or fourth quarterback. drafted this year may wind up being the best of all these quarterbacks when it's all said and done. But he decided to run because you know what? You got to compete to compete. And he went out there and he called himself White Lightning. I love that. And by the way, you owe me a dinner. I don't care what, when Jackson Dart runs. I don't care if he runs. It's never the bet. No, the bet was my boy's faster than Jackson Dart. That's what you turned the bet is here. And Jackson Dart's my boy too. I said Dar was a better runner.

4-6-3 he ran. It's a great number. And he pumped up the crowd the first time he came back. He got the crowd even going more. But the reason it was funny is because he was the only quarterback in the group running to the point where he finished his run, ran around, pumped up the crowd, and then had to like, it was dapping everyone up, and then had to like take a breather for three minutes before he went and ran the second one because there was no one else to run.

It was the funniest portion of the combine so far for me. That and watching Jackson Dart tried to do it. cartwheel because they couldn't do a flip. So two of my favorite quarterbacks in this class are acting the clown. But Chuck runs a 463. Remember I said to you, it's one year a tape. The tape's as good, if not better, than the other three that we're talking about. Those other three, in my opinion, from this year alone, the tape is as good or nearly as good as Cam Ward, Shador Sanders, Jackson,

That's my opinion. Yep. Okay. He's bigger, significantly bigger than the other quarterback. Six, four, almost six, five. Two hundred and nineteen pounds, right? Hand span, ideal, nine and three quarters. And you look at him, and I said to you, he's got just as strong his arm.

Like, maybe Cam is like slightly, but I think his arm is in that same category as Cam Ward's and it's better than it's better than Shador's. Yeah, there's no question about that. And I think Jackson's in that same neighborhood, too. They're all like Cam, but his arm strength's up there are better. His tapes up there are better. He's bigger, and he's faster when he takes off to run. We have no time on Dar yet.

But he's faster. And so my point is, there's a lot to like with this cat. There's a lot to like with him. Don't get it twisted. There's a lot to like with him. I watched in spurts. I saw some inconsistent throws. I thought he was a little flat thrown on the deep ball,

which I didn't see on tape. Do you notice that it was kind of the post corner they normally run? They flattened it out. People were up. All the quarterbacks seemed to miss closer to the sideline than the middle of the field. And I think even Kurt Warner brought it up, and it was very obvious.

But my point was even if the ball was on the right line, you know, in the right accuracy portion of it, it still was kind of flat line, but that was just, that was one throw. I did think he threw the ball well, though. You could see the velocity, you could see him trying to hit spots. Receivers weren't always there. A couple times he was a little off target. I thought he did a really good job overall, but again, I love it.

I did not watch the whole, the entire, like every single throw. I will do that on the plane tomorrow, back to Boston, okay? And we can come back on Monday during our review show, Please tune in on Monday. We'll have that show out Monday, late afternoon, early evening for you, along with the McShay report that's coming out Monday morning that I'm just going to put him on the line. I'm going to drop him on the table with this one. You know?

Yeah. I'm just, I'm excited. When you get good stuff, you get to share good stuff, okay? Yeah. But I thought he had a really good day. Okay. Overall, wasn't earth-shattering, nor even if he had the best day throwing the ball ever, it wouldn't change the evaluation.

But I think he came out and showed that same ability that you see on tape. The other quarterbacks, what stood out to you? From the earlier session, especially with Jackson Dart, I mean, again, Cam Ward and Shador Sanders not throwing. So I'm asking Jackson, Dart, Quinn Ewers, Will Howard. Let's just start with. I mean, we've got to start with Dart, potential quarterback three. I thought he had a good day.

I had some concerns about, not, concerns. That's not what I would say. I didn't know how strong his arm was. I didn't know if he, yeah, I'll put it this way. He put more zip and velocity on the ball today than I thought he would. And I thought that was, that's, you know, another thing that's positive momentum for him. I thought he had a nice day. You got the ball out early. He was accurate. There was nothing wrong with, with his performance today. I think two other names that really are worth talking about are Quinn yours, who I thought had a nice day. I knew too. there was a couple times in the deep ball where again I see it hang a little bit

and I just wondering if he's not getting out as quickly the other name three times I saw three yeah right yeah where it's it just hangs a little he's got this big arm everyone screams about yeah you can drive it as far as he wants to drive it I never see it though right I see the the 30 yard throw that can be on a line when he lets it rip which is rare right and and it's not a negative necessarily if he's layering it in he does a beautiful job with that. He really does. His touch and ability to layer the ball in with finesse

and throw catchable balls is arguably the strength of his game, okay? Yeah. But I agree with you. I just wonder it's like that warning track power or something. I don't know. Overall, I thought he helped himself.

I thought that this was the first you know, this was the first chance for him after the season has ended to come out and you know, kind of show what he could do. I hope he has a really good pro day performance because he's a talented player, and I thought today, overall, he helped himself. I thought Will Howard was a little uneven. And how much was that of that was not working with these receivers that he's throwing to

and the timing and the rhythm that all thrown off? How much of it was that he was getting either booed or cheered, depending on who you were asking every time he touched the ball? I don't know. But for a guy who, when I watched Will Howard's playoff run, that tape is outstanding. Outstanding tape. I talked to a couple people here who, and I'll get into it more in the report.

some different stuff I'm trying to confirm in terms of other things. But I thought if he's really good tape. Yeah. Really good tape. And the tape was nothing like the tape at Kansas State and the tape at the end of the year. It's stuff that we've talked about. Right. I thought it was against us during the regular season.

Yes. But that playoff run, man, is really impressive. And I thought with that kind of momentum, if he had come out today and just crush this workout that we'd be having a different conversation coming out of Indy. And it wasn't that it was terrible. I don't want to say that. I wouldn't characterize like that at all, but it was a little bit of a missed opportunity, in my opinion.

I agree. I thought it was inconsistent. Off target on both of his in-cutting routes early on to the left side. Third one was on target. I did like, I thought he was snapping the ball off. Great placement and good zip on the deep outs. The in-cutting stuff I thought he missed on for Will Howard. Yeah.

There are some people in the league that absolutely love this guy. He looks the part, man. 6-4-236. He's going to go a little bit earlier than people think. And I'm not saying he's going in the first round. But I think he's going to come off. He might come off the board before somebody else. I'm just getting information that there's...

And I want to... I need to talk to more people, but my point is this. Like, there are some people that really, like, got his... got his back in the league. It's going to be interesting to see with Will Howard. What about Gabriel, what do you think? He's got an arm, man. He does, right?

Yeah, the ball's jumping off his hand, spins it really nicely. Love his compact delivery. We've upset all these things. Saw it at the Senior Bowl. He certainly doesn't have like the 122-mile-hour fastball that was reported or something. But the ability to spin the ball is really impressive. And I thought he threw a really good deep ball. Yeah.

Yeah. I didn't think he was sharp with some of the intermediate stuff. He wasn't. He wasn't at the Senior Bowl either, which was very surprising to me. But again, go back to the tape, and when you watch him in Oregon, he is very sharp at that stuff. So you wonder if, again, this is why quarterbacks don't throw, right? Because then we start saying things like this was off and that was off, whatever. I don't want to overly criticize these players for going out and competing.

I think he had a good day. I think there is a smaller quarterback to come out there with other guys who have big arms and to stand toe to toe with them, I think if nothing else it checks that box for them, you know? And if you're sharp on tape, that's what teams are always going to go back to. Jalen Millerow is interesting, too. A lot of stuff in terms of conversations I'm having,

different concepts on how to develop him, how long it'll take to develop him. I thought he threw the, again, second group. We were on the air for a portion of it. So I want to go back. But of the throws I watched, I thought he was a lot better throwing the football today than he was at the Senior Bowl for whatever that is.

The Deep Bowl is beautiful as it comes, you know. You're his agent. You advise him to run here? Yeah. Yeah. I would have too. I mean, we know he's fast. I'm not saying that.

I know he's fast. And you could say, you know, devil's advocate. But maybe he's not as fast as everyone wants him to be. That's why I didn't. Yeah. Man, if he could have come out. If he comes down and runs a for a four. Right, but what if he runs a four or five?

That's a problem. Because you're counting on him being special and different in that regard. Right. And you're counting on him to have like Lamar type. So is there now doubt in your head? Is there now doubt that this? Because. I don't know.

Let's see if he runs at his pro day. Yeah. I mean, again, we're talking about a quarterback, but if his game is going to be built on mobility early in his career and that allowing him time to develop, like, a la Mar. Yeah. Yeah, you'd like to know.

If that's his elite trade, yeah, I'd like to know. Did Lamar run? He did. I don't think he did. Somebody else. I don't know, I got to go back in. I don't think Lamar ran. I'm not your guy for 40 times in quarterback. I know.

But Lamar's senior season was different, too. Yeah. Today was awesome, man. Yeah, it was great. Today was awesome. Running back's getting our back. Yes. That was, that was.

Top to bottom, I can remember some like defensive line groups, some lineback. I can remember some cornerbacks. But I don't know top to bottom. We've had a day like that with the running backs ever at the combine. I can't remember. 4-48 was the average 40 time for that group. And it was one after another. And the broad jumps and the vertical jumps, the measurables that matter,

it was like, it was just fascinating to watch. because this is going to be, it's going to go down as one of the best running back classes ever. Yeah, I remember McCaffrey put on a show. Yes. He had an awesome workout. But as a group, I don't remember a group like this. Right.

So this was special. This was fun. We appreciate you all being here. We've got the chat going on. I didn't get to as many people as I wanted to. We got Brian Hayes just yelling fire. I love it. Or Haas.

I'm sorry, Brian Haas. Yeah. So keep the questions coming in for next week. We're going to be back on Monday, as I mentioned. We're thrilled to have 24, maybe 30 hours to kind of put all these numbers together, finish up the conversations with people in here in Indianapolis. We'll fly back tomorrow. The workouts for the offensive line will be tomorrow.

No one wants us to listen or watch us talk about offensive linemen for an hour and 20 minutes after they're just running 40s and stuff. It's not true. It's not true. So we're going to see you on Monday. we're going to do a review show with all of that. We've got a lot of stuff. We talk to people in the league and just want to share,

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