The McShay Show - NFL Draft Second & Third Round Live Coverage

Episode Date: April 25, 2026

Todd McShay and Steve Muench are back for Day 2 of the 2026 NFL Draft. They’ll share all their latest intel and analysis for every pick of the second and third rounds. Plus, Bill Simmons joins to recap day 1 and preview day 2. 0:00 Welcome to The McShay Show!5:35 Bill Simmons joins the show to recap Day 1 and preview Day 2 of the NFL draft 1:00:20 Second-round draft coverage3:19:00 Third-round draft coverage Check out ⁠TheRinger.com/McShay⁠ for access to Todd's first-round mock, and sign up for his newsletter to view two full rounds of picks. The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit ⁠www.rg-help.com⁠ to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Host: Todd McShay Guest: Steve Muench and Bill Simmons Producers: Tucker Tashjian, Conor Nevins, Daniel Comer, Jonathan Frias, Jesse Aron, and Kevin Cureghian Social: Abou Kamara Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome back in. It's night two of the NFL draft, and we're thrilled to be here with you on Netflix again. What a wild ride last night. Yeah, man. Some interesting picks, some trades at the end. I mean, yeah, everything you wanted, some surprises at the beginning.

The Jets wind up with three draft picks, and they have a great night. Dallas with two exceptional picks, I thought, even though a little bit of a reach for Malachi Lawrence, but with the realization that their new defensive line coached to MCF. That's Malachi Lawrence. And they certainly needed it.

So there's a lot to cover today. We're going to review the first round of the draft, and we're really going to get you prepared in the next hour. With the best available, the teams that are coming up, talk some of the needs and what needs to be accomplished. We also have a special guest joining us for this pre-draft show in the next hour. But first, we want to thank our sponsors for allowing us to do this. It's been an awesome ride, and we're excited for tonight.

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mention we've got a special guest joining us that we're excited for as well. But I want to take a look. I mean, everyone now is kind of flipping forward, right? Yeah. We get round two coming up tonight, rounds two and three. I want to take a look at the teams that are coming off the top. That 30-third pick is traded more often recently than it is kept, and it'll be interesting to see how that plays out. We also want to take a look at our best available board, which is the 10 best players in this year's class. And interestingly enough, Steve. Denzel Boston, the

wide receiver from Washington, was the only player in our top 28. And there you can see on the screen right now on Netflix. Those are the teams in round two. So it's 2.1, San Francisco. 2.2 Arizona. The bills are the third pick tonight. That's picks

33, 34, 35. Then you've got, and this happened because there was a lot of movement late in the first round. The Raiders are sitting there, with that fourth pick in the round. The Giants, the fifth pick with a major needed interior defensive lineman

and Caden McDonald's still sitting on the board. So there's a lot to get to. I'm interested when you look at this board from, let's look at the top 10, still available. Denzel Boston, right? Yep. Denzel Boston sitting there, the number 20 player on our board.

And now you can see on the screen. Those are the top 10 players still available. Emmanuel McNeil Warren, I get the sense overnight talking to some teams. He's going to be gone pretty soon. Okay. Same with Denzel Boston, the receiver from Washington, who we had 20th ranked overall. Same with Colton Hood.

The cornerbacks, there's a cornerback group that we talked about. We expected to go early second. You got to remember Jermad McCoy, still available, the knee injury, but his 2024 tape is outstanding. But we dropped them in our rankings because we had a lot of conversations with different teams and we knew it was going to be a second round drop.

So you get Colton Hood, you've got Jermad McCoy, you've got some, you've got a nickel safety as you see there, number 36 overall in our rankings, trade end stokes from Arizona. Beyond that, we also have DeAngelo Pons, the cornerback out of Indiana, undersized, but absolutely feisty corner. Avion Terrell's the name I heard when talking to NFL teams over the last 18 hours or whatever it is. and oh and Brandon Cesee CC from South Carolina

so the corners will go the edge rushers too I know you like some of these guys why don't you take us through these these edge rushers that are available to the teams that need that early on day two of the draft well let's start with T.J. Parker out of Clemson

I mean I've been saying all along that I think this guy's a first round guy and you know his stock coming into the 2025 season he looked like a player that could go in the top 10 didn't have the best year when you look at the stats but then you watch the tape and I thought he played better than the production would suggest. I thought he had a great senior ball.

I thought he had a great combine workout. That's a player that I would be eager to draft on the second day. Zion Young, your guy, come a maniac. He kind of is a maniac. He plays with a high level of energy and intensity. So tough, strong edge. You can play the run a little bit, physical pass rusher. Look at this.

Oh, look at this. I was wondering who that was. Do we not have a white for you? There we go. There it is. I was rolling on my side. See, I think the people behind the scenes would prefer, like, you know, we had a graphic up and we did.

I like it this way. This is live TV. It's finest. It's the finest. Guerrilla podcasting. What did I miss? We just going through our top available. I'm curious.

Denzel Boston, physical in traffic receiver? Yeah, contested catches. Seventy-10%? Strong through the catch. He does no 50-50 balls for him. They're all his. Yeah. How you doing, man?

Bill Simmons, by the way, not that he needs an introduction, but Bill Simmons joins us. I did a very brief thing on my podcast last night, thinking it was a really boring draft, and then saw the McVeigh press conference after, and I was like, holy shit. Yeah. This is like some real deep stuff going on here. Is it for show? Is he just managing the locker room? No way.

That guy is impossible of hiding his emotions. You think he's angry? No, he's, come on, Bill. Bill, he's a coach who has a locker room that they have determined, this is the year they're going to to win their second Super Bowl. And he is, he's looking at this thing as I need to send the message to Matt, to Matt and to everybody else, to Matthew Stafford, that, like, this is nice and this is for the future, but, but my, my focus is on this.

All right. I was texting with less need last night. Like, they're, they're, these two are in lockstep. They're not going to make a pick that, that Sean doesn't, isn't thrilled about, and they're both thrilled about this pick. I don't know. I said the same thing. He kind of talked me off the ledge a little bit,

but that's how I felt like, I don't know, man. It was a little over the top. I'll give you that. This felt a little like, you know, thanks for the Super Bowl, but you're not running the team we are, and we're taking this guy. And I know you made a case for whoever at 13, but this is where we're going.

Especially the rumor that McVeigh is linked to Stafford when Stafford steps down. I don't know, man. I think this was all a charade. raid that everyone fell for. They knew it. But McVeigh should go into acting. But me. No, McVeigh should start doing HBO dramas and stuff. If he's that good of an actor to pretend he's upset for the

locker room, I don't buy it. You're not as a GM going to make this decision without the coach who is a quarterback developer and a quarterback, that's his whole being. But is it possible they told him we're going to trade back and take him at like 23? And they just said

F we're taking him here. I know you love the player. but did they pull the trigger too soon? No, because the word was starting to get out. The articles came, I was, how was I the only person? I'm not doing like a victory lap here. No, you did that last night. I did.

You did everything but run around the table with your arms up. Tom Hicks, when he built the fire and cast away. He said, I made fire! And I earned it, but I didn't scream into the mic because Tucker's worried about the sensitivity of these mics, and he says, thank you. So, but looking at this, I think the word, like, people started, there were articles coming out. And then, and some insiders were starting to say there's a surprise team.

And so they were worried. I mean, I, who else was taking him? Arizona trading up. All right. But how high could they have traded up? Well, is anyone trading into the teens to take Ty Simpson? I think Arizona would have if they, if. So what team's trading back?

Minnesota, Carolina. think one of those would have. So Minnesota, instead of taking the guy with who's broken his foot nine times, maybe trades back instead. That was a fascinating thing. That actually makes more sense to me. Both teams would have done better there. Yeah, I get it.

Why do I feel like I'm on the third time? I mean, McVeigh is thrilled about this. That's the future, but he's got to send the message that we're not, we're not, like, this isn't going to become some distraction. Like, he's a backup. And you're on the defensive because it's, you victory lapped and we're trying to turn it against you. Yeah.

you feel worse about it. Yeah, but that's the only reason. It's starting to work. How can you say that? How can you say it's not going to be a distraction? If Pooka Nakua isn't on the field for whatever reason, and they have Devante Adams as a receiver, and then it's a bunch of guys. 34-year-old Devante Adams?

I know they're probably going to get someone tonight, and this would be kind of a point. I already told you, like, they're working out, they're working out Dejean stribling, Jeremy Bernard. Those guys are, like, equally effective in what they do. Great. They don't work out. out. This happens in the NFL all time. The guy they take in the second round, not as

good as they thought. Not as good as we thought. They think that he's just, for what they do, those guys are just as good as taking Mackay Lemon, who, by the way, fell all the way to what, 20, 21? He fell to 20. To the Eagles. So we all think the Rams would be one of the

teams who we would pick to make the Super Bowl. They were in that short circle of 6'7. So they just took Ruben Short Arm Baines. Ruben Short Arms, Bain. that. If I said that right. But if they just took him at 13 and like, hey, we added this guy, he's going to be an impact. I get that argument.

I do. Doesn't that make them better for this year of Stafford is year to year anyway? And McVeigh might be too. Stop empowering him. I'm just, no, I'm just leading in. If I was, if this was the Pats and we were in the exact same situation, I would be like, what the fuck are we doing? What are we doing? Why do we take him here? The best time to draft a quarterback is when you don't need a quarterback.

Look how hard it is. You suffered through it for a half of a minute as a Patriots fan. That was really rough. And it was rough. The Mac Jones interception in the end zone from four yards away when he under threw it. Dark, really dark. Dark moments. Really dark.

I keep calling Simpson Mac Jones. He's not happy about it. No, he's not. The last time we saw an Alabama quarterback put up monster numbers as a one-year starter who didn't have the job for three years. Who went in the teens. I know you're all in on Simpson, but the size thing, were you at all? I know everyone's talked about the starts thing forever, but the actual size part,

the fact that Purdy's like a legitimate 225, that's the doppelganger for him and Simpson is not? It's probably my biggest worry. It's not the arm strength. It's not the mobility. It's not the one-year starter because I think he's so far advanced. I think it's the size and the fact that now they had the 125th ranked rushing attack at Alabama. They had a pass protection that was very much up and down, as you well know. the number one receiver just disappears off the face of the earth.

And so he takes a beating, but you're going to take a beating in a 17 game schedule in the NFL when he eventually becomes a starter. It also worries me that like, all right, Stafford's there two years. That means five of the last six years in his key development moments, he has not been a starting quarterback. So, like, yeah, I'm not like screaming down the streets of L.A. This is the greatest pick in the world. A little bit. But I'm, but I don't, yeah, but I'm screaming. A, I feel at least someone who's damn good at evaluating quarterbacks in the league sees it the way I saw it on him.

B, it's kind of like an F you to everyone, because it's like all this stuff leading up to the draft, and McShea's mock stupid, and no one's doing this. That kind of felt there. I love chip on the shoulder, McShay. Yeah, an edge. I get a little edge. It's going to be like C.J. Allen, when he goes 63rd to the Pats today, chip on the shoulder right away. Yeah, right away. Maniac.

Yeah. And so part of me is defensive in that regard, but I'm here to be. I didn't have them ranked as the 10th best player. I had him at 25. You did. So I recognize this is not some, oh, it's their set for the next 10 years, you know. There's definitely. It was a goofy pick.

Face value, yes. But this is, if you can get a quarterback you believe in now and have him there and learn the system and being around. So it's a partnership for McVeigh, you know, unlike golf was a, mentorship. This seems like the smart long-term move, and they'll find their wide receiver today. Best case scenario for Ty Simpson. Best in the world.

Oh, without question. Unless McVeigh is furious that they took him. Or he is linked with Stafford, and he's leaving in a year. Let's say Stafford wins an MVP, wins a Super Bowl. No, no, no, no. So maybe McVeigh was...

Why did they know? Because McVeigh, the conversation about McVeigh being done, And I don't think he's going to be a life for a coach. That's kind of people I know, that's kind of the feel. But he's not going with Stafford somewhere else. No, no, no, no. Is that where you're? No, Stafford's going to retire.

McVeigh's like, I'm going to do media for a minute. I'm going to do whatever. You can't totally rule that out. Right. And then who you bring it in to develop Ty Simpson? Well, he's already had a year or two with. I think Stafford's two more years. Okay.

But we'll see. Look good last year. I mean, he won the MVP. He did all right. Yeah. Yeah, he was all right. What else jumped out? He stole Drake May's MVP.

He did. And then it didn't matter when Drake May wasn't good in the playoffs. We were all kind of like, all right, this worked out. This was fine. Can't really make the argument. I'd said this on my pod, when the Jets end up with three first rounders, and it's like, look at this. We got three starters.

But you also traded your two best starters to get to the three starters, the optical illusion of the NFL draft? Yeah. You're just like He gives me $20 And then six months later I give him back $20. It's like I've got $20. It's like but that was your $20?

But six months later You got back to like $12. Right. But the draft is hilarious like that I thought it was so funny when Pittsburgh They did the stick song 320,000 people there waiting for their pick And then it's like we've taken a tackle

And then it's like And did the crowd know what was going on? You know? Who knows? There's so many people there. No, they didn't know that stuff. No, they didn't know. No, not in the market stuff now, right?

Yeah, yeah. The Steelers think they're getting McKay Lemon. That's a tough sell when you're rolling out your first round pick. Yeah. If you were, if you ran a team, would you tell anybody what you were thinking ever? Because I wouldn't. Because I think that's a good example of Pittsburgh was probably a little blabber mouthy in a couple spots. And Howie Roseman always seems like he's, wait, what?

Yeah. He's going, oh, I'm going to jump him and he just jumped them. Yeah. Yeah, and I mean, Ian Archer was a good player and they need an offensive tackle. Yeah, you liked him. Yeah, we like him a lot.

I don't have a problem with the pick. I'm just saying from like the PR perspective is now the videos get out that you're on the phone with Mackay Lemon, and that's the guy you want and it gets ripped from you. Would you tell people what your board was? I always thought that, like, the Giants did that. They were like, number one non-QB on our board

and then we got number four. I would just never tell anyone what my board was. Ever. What's the point of that? It would be me and maybe one or two other people that would be, like, trusted as family, essentially, that I would bounce. And honestly, I probably, if I was running it, I probably would keep it close to the vest of the very end. Not a lot to that. I thought it was a pretty boring draft.

Thanks. That's great. Well, no, not knowing. We knew the number one pick was. We, the big question was where love was going to go. He went third. So that was taken off the table. And then everything seemed to go where it was going to, where you thought of it.

There were really no surprises. Carnel Tate. That was mildly surprising. If it wasn't Tennessee, would it be a bigger story? Like, you're like, oh, the Titans draft of this guy. Like, if it was a bigger team. I just don't know who else. I thought maybe they'd take styles there,

but I wasn't like, oh, my God. What are you doing? Yeah. Yeah, but obviously, Reese being so young and being kind of a, you just don't totally know guy, like four teams passed on him. Yeah. So I thought he sure.

I can't believe the Jets didn't take them. But we knew that was happening for a month and a half. You worrying about the Jets getting all these weapons for Arch Manning or Dante Moore next year? The answer is no. Never worried about the Jets, not worried about Miami. Miami's bad. It was funny that Buffalo and the Pats traded with each other. I thought that was interesting.

Yeah. Dallas and Philly. Yeah. I like Cleveland moving backwards and still getting what they needed. It always seems so easy on paper to do that. but teams rarely pull it off and they just moved back three spots got a lineman.

Yeah. They had a choice of the best offensive line on the board. The one that really was like, oh, was Bain to Tampa where you're like, oh, that's going to be a good one. Yeah.

Sometimes you just know it the fit, and like, ah, he's going to be good there. That'll be nice. And the key messador of the Chargers. I feel like the Chargers are scary this year, man. They're definitely. They'll be the sleeper August pick. Yep.

If they still stay healthy on the offensive line. Right. And we talked about on. Your show the other day. It feels like they're always the injury stuff, but now they've got another edge rusher. And this guy's, he's 25. He's an NFL dude.

He's a, like, legit pass rusher. Like, he's going to come in and he's going to make a difference. And he doesn't have to do much else in that rotation. 25's kind of hilarious for college. It's the new world. But you're in your mid-20s at that point. Yeah, I felt like I was like almost an adult when I was 25. Yeah, I was making big decisions.

You're like, oh, man. Balancing a check. book back then, you know, and. But also, they're all making big money, too, so there's no rush for that guy to be like, I'm out of here. What he was making in Miami was probably pretty good. What is the number one player? You're the most excited to see where they go in this second round?

Denzel Boston, the wide receiver, who you touched on. That was surprising. I actually, I was wondering if the pats were going to take them and then repeatedly telling myself, no, we have AJ Brown. We're not. And then they didn't take them. But I think they absolutely take them if they don't have that trade, right? Yeah.

Are you still worried about that trade? after Philly move, go, what? This morning, all the talk on another network was, are the Rams now in the AJ Brown talks again? Are they going to get back in? Because now they need a receiver. And I was like, man, and that. When is you going to trust me on the Rams?

Chefty. Shefti said, no. It said it's a done deal. The Rams are out. I'm just going to say it. But is there another team in the shadows? It scares me. Is there another team that might just pop out?

Denver already got a receiver. Chargers don't need one. I'm trying to think of teams that are competing for a super bowl. Maybe all this stuff going on with the Patriots is going to scare AJ Brown away? Yeah. No. Mike Frable needs friendship. He needs people to trust.

How are you doing on all this? You okay? It's pretty crazy. Yeah. I actually was wondering if he was going to like take a leave of absence last night when he did that second press conference. I thought he was going to say like I'm going to be going away until June. He didn't. but they had the wide war room shot of him.

Yeah. There's like 25 when they're about to make the 31st pick and they traded up and they showed the wide. There's like 20 people that I was just thinking like, what a weird day for everybody. Yeah. This guy's like entire life is caving in. The story's coming out constantly. Social media is on fire. Yep.

And then here he's like, oh, what do you think? You like to tackle from Utah? Last tackle on the board. Should we get him? And there's just no way that's not hanging over everything. It feels like a good time to take a minute away, you know? Yeah, I mean, the matter of the story was coming out in November or October, like... Yeah.

Really, it definitely was a monkey ranch. But it was just that it tied into what a weird draft it was. Like, even the way they set the draft up, it was so long for Goodell to walk out. And it was so long for the players to come out. See, that's the stuff that we don't see what we're doing this. It was a weird timing that it was. Because you can see the pick is in. And we're like, all right, the pick is in.

And he's walking. Right. And he's, so, yeah, he did miss up the time. He got his steps in. I did a thing on my show last night about how Cadell's hugs have gotten longer, and somebody emailed me today and went through the 2016 draft, and the hugs were about two seconds per hug, another four. So I was right.

You were right. Four seconds per hug. I love how we live in a society now where you can go back and check the tape on the hugs from all the hugs. If he was kidnapped and you hadn't seen him for four years and you thought he was dead, and then he came back and you saw him for the first time, is the hug four seconds? No. It's like two, right? It stops.

It's two and a half. It's like that extra squeeze, good to see it. But then you push away and like... Four is like almost intimate. That's, it is strange. It's weird. Yeah, and he's doing it 32 times. Yeah.

I don't know if he's... Do you have to hug him, by the way? No one doesn't hug him, right? Just do the slap, like, quick thing. Yeah. It's, yeah, the whole thing is weird. What do you think about the Patriots pick? Caleb Lomu, offensive tackle.

I liked it. You guys liked them? Yes. You know what my comp was? Will Campbell. Swear to God. A healthy Will Campbell did a really nice job last year. I love Will Campbell at 28.

Will Campbell at 28's great. As you know, I'm always down for draft and linemen on either side every year in the first round. And they said like, Will Campbell's our left tackle. It's like, all right, well, at least you have insurance now. And you can say Will Campbell's your left tackle. But if he's getting dominated like he did in the playoffs, you have somebody else. But I start to panic. I'm like, as Morgan Moose is not ready to go?

Is he not going to be? Is this why? Because they said they were going to manage this workload, all that stuff. I start to wonder if they really needed one more than we thought. I thought they would trade back and was delighted that they traded up. And they clearly were trying to jump somebody who's either Kansas City or San Francisco. Probably San Francisco. Yeah.

Everyone had Lomu mocked to San Francisco as a perfect fit. He could use a year to develop. I'm not saying he has to have that. But he, San Francisco with Trent with Trent Williams, 38 years old, everyone thought that he was going there. The big question for me is Will Campbell share Drake May with him? Because he's basically Drake May's bodyguard protector. Does he bring the second guy into the gang? Or is he like, look, man, Drake's my guy?

I think you had, no. You have to, if you're a loamoo, you have to go through Will. You have to win over Will. Get to Drake. Your Will's sidekick. Yes. I bet Will's welcoming. I bet he's like, we're in the...

together. But welcoming enough. Yeah. Where it's like you can you can get up to here. Still a tiny bit threatened. But my hand's going to be right here in your head. Yeah. Okay. I believe that. When they get in the car, Drake's driving, Will Campbell's pastor's seat, his, rookie's in the back. But rookie

has to ask if he can get in the car. Yeah. Not Drake. He has to ask Will. He can't ask Drake directly. It always has to go through Cruz Campbell. Yeah. That's the deal. I heard you guys are going on lunch. Can I come? Let me ask Drake. That's how. It's like, yeah. I'll talk to Drake and I'll get back to you.

I'll get back to you. They'll work it out. They will. You're excited for anything tonight? Quarterbacks? There's a couple receivers. I think the receivers are the most interesting. You've talked about a bunch of them, but there's some wildcar guys, and we've seen

every year there's two receivers in the second round who become awesome. Right. And so where do they go? Who is it? There's no way to tell. It's impossible to predict. That's it. And then whether somebody takes a quarter of the first.

quarterback this round or probably not? I'm hearing that Carson Beck. I heard Pittsburgh's really on Carson Beck is one thing to look out for. I think Nussmeyer, Drew Aller,

Cole Payton, Tailing Green. I think they're all third to early fourth. I think one of two things is going to happen with the quarterbacks, right? Those four names I just mentioned, or five, I guess. Carson Beck, Drew Aller, Garrett Nussmeyer, Cole Peyton,

Tailing Green. Yeah. I think the last two I just mentioned, Peyton and Green, are probably going to be early day three, which is tomorrow, Saturday. But I think if one of them goes, because it's not like the other positions where you kind of stack the board and these guys fit what we're wanting to do. Like, if one of them goes, I think teams are going to start getting a little nervously. We better get him in round two rather than three or, you know, or earlier in three and move up and get them. but I also could see we've seen this historically guys that we think go late second

third round they all fall to the fourth round so right one or the others probably going to happen tonight yeah I could see them falling I don't think these guys are I don't think I'm nervous about losing out on I love Tailing Green and if we could get him in the third round and he falls to us you're like great well we'll do that I'm not like necessarily nervous about losing him

you know what you mean I have the QB cluster theory for drafts because it's for centers in the NBA and QBs and NFL where the guys just all get compared to each other for six months and you start. And if it's a, I'm talking myself into the quarterbacks this year, but deep down I know they're not that good. But by March you're like,

now I kind of, and you go glass half full and all these dudes. Yep. It feels like one of those years where like, what would you go over under guys who will start 30 games from this class? and I gave you the over under of two and a half. Would you go over or under? 30 starts.

Under. I would go under. Yeah. Over. Over. So who would be your mystery third starter? Your guy, Col Payton? Yeah, his guy.

He's... Eventually, you could be. McShay's on a heater after the Ty Simpson and 13. He's like, Cole Payton? He's like, my left-handed Phillip Rivers from North Dakota State. I sat there with you guys just, what, 48 hours ago, and you said that I was overconfident from Shuck last year. and now, you know, making mistakes.

My judgment is... Now it's not stopping now. You're Brad the Cooper and Limitless now. You're just... You're learning Taiwanese at a restaurant ordering... Yes. Kittneys. Yes.

Yeah, you're on fire. I would say over, but I think the market's set perfectly. Yeah. I really do. Yeah. And listen, I think it's okay that this was a relatively boring draft. It doesn't mean our content wasn't great about the draft, but for the most part...

No, I get it. The most exciting things that happened yesterday, were the McVay Press conference and the Steelers getting boned over on Lemon. I think we're the two. Yeah. And then Vrable just

was like that whole thing. That wasn't fun. A lot. Yes. But those are kind of the three biggest stories yesterday. Yeah. Other than how do you get 320,000 people to show up

to watch people get picked? It's such a weird thing. I just think is the weirdest. I just can't imagine any scenario where I would go to that. Speaking of which. Yeah. Next year.

Where is it? 2026. DC, White House Lawn, that draft class. Don't you envision like a Spotify, yeah, I know, every time I... It's never good enough. It's never good enough. It's just something to think about for next year.

It's in D.C. It's in D.C. We fly in, set it up, have a big, you know, stage there, conjunction with Netflix, Spotify, the Ringer, White House Lawn. Ty Simpson still be a RAM at that point? It was good. for the commanders now.

No, but honestly, next year is what everyone's looking forward to. It's great. It does feel like there's certain drafts where the college football season feels like it's just a setup for the draft. That's what next year feels like.

We've got an Ohio Statewide receiver who's like the next Calvin Johnson. We've got a Notre Dame cornerback who's like the next Patrick Sertan. We've got a quarterback class that's going to rival like 83 in 20, 24.

Like, there's a Texas edge. Making a little tanking next year. I, yes. I've seen Miami's roster. I mean, Miami's already doing it. Yeah, Miami's roster? The Jets, too. I mean, they...

Aaron Glenn's going to get in the way of what the, I think, the higher-ups in that organization would like next year. Or he's perfect. Got it if he's watched him coach last year. I forgot to mention, I really liked when the... I actually liked that the Jets traded up for Cooper. I thought 30 was too low for him. I just really confident that he's going to be good. Yeah, a lot of people thought they would take him at 16.

A little chip on the shoulder for him because he went late. He went after a bunch of guys. I just, I like that pick and that fit for him. And you have Kenyon Sadiq that they brought in as well. Didn't like that one as much for them. I like the guy, but they just spent the 40-second pick on a tight end. Yeah, Mason Taylor last year. No, I understand that, but now you got.

I just thought that was, I like Mason Taylor. But I appreciate the fact that it's best. player available and the fact that this league now is so much two, three tight end sets and so it gives him some versatility I hear your point. I like the pick too. I think it's good. And he's kind of a wide receiver but he can he can come in and

block but he's four three what four three six speed for so yeah. And help Mason Taylor too I think. One thing the more I stared at it I don't think I liked what the chiefs did. I love that player. To trade up though. Like basically you trade McDuffie right?

Right. And you don't want to pay him and you're trying to, so now you trade back up. It did feel like that to me too. So, I'm just trying to think like holistically big picture. You have McDuffie. Maybe they didn't like him as much. They let everyone go a defensive back. So six replaces him, but they

traded McDuffie for assets, which then they traded some to move up to take this new guy. And then 29, it just feels like a lot of like lateral movement. Whereas I wonder, like, if we look back five years from now, like, wow, the Chiefs had the six pick in that draft. Yeah.

So much of this is driven by salary cap and getting, you know, staying younger and less, less money invested in those positions. But I, but wouldn't you taking sunny styles there? Am I crazy? I like to land there. I think he's a really good player, man. I said that people are going to look back when he was going to go eight or nine and be like, how do we not get that kid? All right. So maybe that's the answer.

He's a perfect fit for what they want to do. I mean, your comp was. Chen McDuffie. Yeah. So I get it, but it did feel lateral. Who did they jump over? You think that Saints were taking them at 8? Could have.

Yes, could have. That system fits him perfectly. Commanders, I heard, might. Oh, really? But I'm not sure. There's some late information that they might. So maybe they were just getting that out there. So they wouldn't take the styles if they had been out?

I think they were most afraid of New Orleans. Yeah. Have I told you my theory about I wouldn't trade up if it was in a tear of guys? Like, this draft probably had... He's a tier guy. He loves the tears. I love tears. What, 12 and it drops?

Yeah. And if I'm, the difference through 9 and 6, I'm still getting somebody who's around that, there's no way to know these kids are 20, 21, 22. Why am I trading more assets to take somebody who's in these same tier? I just wouldn't do it.

Not to fill a need. I wouldn't do it. If you felt you were an edge away, you wouldn't trade up to get an edge? I don't know. I think that's when things go sideways when you start trying to fill needs. I would almost never trade up. Me neither.

A quarterback? I don't know. Quarterback. Yeah. in a situation like this later in the first where it doesn't cost me a time. I would do offensive tackle. Offensive tackle would be another

or if there's an edge, a corner, something specifically, but it would have to be a premium position and it would have to be later in the first, and I still would be sick to my stomach doing it because the math tells you we're going to miss. I just want more shots of people. Yeah, that's the same philosophy. So if it's like Stiles, Tyson, downs,

The cornerback they took. Delean. I just feel like all of those guys are probably going to be good. But I missed out on a chance to maybe strike oil with the pick I gave up. What's the biggest difference between this draft? Obviously, in rounds and players and all that. But just the biggest thing is you study this draft and you're around it versus the NBA draft. NBA, the drop-off is massive.

Is it? Yeah. It's kind of crazy, right? Yeah, once you get out of the lottery, you really have... So how many players usually a year? You go from 16 to 40, and I think it's a crapshoot at that point. Right. And then the tiers are basically like one through four or one through seven, depending on the year.

Yeah. Then there's that second... But, you know, these guys play one year in college. Like Jalen Johnson, who's been awesome on Atlanta, left Duke. He didn't finish Duke. Duke. He didn't get along with Coach Kay, falls out of the lottery to 17, and now he's in all in all. VA guy.

Yeah. That doesn't seem to happen in the same way in football. For the most part, the talent's going to be the talent. And you'll see somebody in that 15 to 30 range might rise, but it's usually like a receiver who got pushed down or cornerback. But the impact guys, the awesome guys, they're usually in the top 12 or 13, right? Right. And the age, I mean, we get three years of looking at a player coming out of high school, which helps.

Right. And you have a 17-game college football season. I actually saw the Ohio State coach on one of the shows yesterday. And he was, he's really passionate about how they have to fix how they schedule this and how crazy it is that they play for so long. But then the playoffs are like after this month-long break. And he's like, we just got to keep going and condense it. We should never be playing in January. And I was like, he's right.

I actually like players. Proposal of like the bowl games in the beginning of the season. Like, do some, you know, like, I don't know about that one, man. The kickoff, like, why do it in mid-December? That's, like, a great time to, you're before the NFL playoffs. Like, just get everything done before Christmas. You're done with the conference championships, but the first weekend in December every year. Yeah, but kids have to take finals and the academics first, right?

I mean. I think it's nuts that their season is as long as the NFL. I can't believe this is how this turned out. Like even the conferences and these kids in Cal are flying to like ruckers and then flying home and then flying like it's like there's a lot of stuff they need to look at like the travel the bowl games the losing kids in the portal before you're going to play in a bowl no one wants to play in a bull like the bowl system's gonna die so when I'm named sports are do I do college sports first or do I look at boxing college college college is my first priority I mean everyone I talk to in college at the high high up people are like please save us? it's going to take the government. Like, we don't have, and there's no governing. What could go wrong there?

Yeah. Right, right. But it's so far out of control that they're, like, they're eagerly, like, they're seeking out help from the government. Like, that's not something you want to hear, you know? So you want a linebacker tonight? Yeah, I'm just looking at six. I really like CJ Allen.

I do too. I don't know how old you can run there. I did some recon on him. Rare for me. Why? I just like them. He's tough. If we need a guy like that, we need a tough athletic linebacker who can stay on the field, multiple downs and cover people in traffic and also, like, move the line.

There's just not a lot of those guys in this draft. That's the other thing. And as you said in the newsletter today, all the tight end, they need a tight end too, but all of them are going to be clustered at the end of the third round. Yeah, you can wait. Hold on the tight end. That's a day three. I'd like to see an edge for New England or an interior, some defensive lineman, too. You can always talk me into a pick on the line.

I would love a defensive tackle, yeah. And there's a bunch of them. Like I could see... The Lee Hunter. Like a Christian Miller from Georgia. Yeah. Hmm. Yeah.

So there's some guys. I'm receiver. You don't receiver? No. Oh, because A.J. Brown's coming. I keep forgetting. AJ Brown's coming. They spent a second round pick on Kyle Williams,

and I actually thought he had some potential. He was weirdly not on the same page with Drake ever. They always seemed like they, maybe they just need another off season together, but I felt like he was open, you know? Like, and it just, it was always like something weird happening with him. That's tough.

They could use, year two in that system should be a lot better than as a rookie, you know? Yeah. So. Does Diggs play next year anywhere? I don't know. Like, I don't know. Yeah.

I don't got too weird off the, and for Vrebo. Yeah. There's some stuff that needs to kind of be reeled in. in Foxborough. Frable's like, yeah, the guy from Utah. What's taking him? Yeah, sounds like a stable.

Yes. Stable tackle. Yes. Stamped from Whittingham, you know, like, yes. I wonder if teams think that way, because the chiefs obviously don't. They just. Oh, the chiefs will just. The chiefs will roll the dice with anybody.

They don't care. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they actually went with some, I'm just looking at them now. Delane's a great, you know, high character, healthy, durable, 44. starts, Peter Woods. Defense attack. Not a problem. Not a problem. Good, you know,

Clemson, doing the right things. It's not a Chiefs draft. Did we have a center get taken yet? We haven't. No. No. Maybe late second. It was one of my favorite picks. Is the center? Yeah, the high-end center. I always feel like is an underrated

NFL draft pick. Guess where, because you shouldn't have knowledge on this, guess where the first center that's probably? Probably, that's most likely to come off the board is from. Massachusetts? No, what school? Oh, what school? Yeah.

Patriot League? No. Where? No. Iowa. Don't you just feel like the first interior, first center should be from Iowa. Big hands.

His dad's huge. Smaller guy, but like a wrestler. Yeah, like two-star coming out of high school. Yeah. They just... Gritty. Yeah, they just didn't recruit that area. Cornfield.

chose dad. He's kind of built like a blacksmith. Yes, big guy. Huge hand, shaking hands with everybody. Yeah, so Logan Jones should be the first center. It's a good, not great center class. Yeah, it's not great. There's some guys who are trying to transition, which is kind of interesting. Some tackles

are like, oh, I'm just going to play center now. It's like, hmm. Yeah, that's when you know it's not a big center class. Yeah, we'll see how that goes. When is the draft start? Four? 20 minutes. What did you think of the pace last night? I want to get that. I thought it was amazing.

I really thought it was incredible. For viewing? Yeah. I mean, I was watching two basketball games and the Bruins' Sabres game as well. And Netflix. And Netflix popping in with you as well. Yeah. Now, there was a stretch where I just did not see a lot of this show for about an hour.

There was a lot of sports happening. Yeah, your world, this is kind of a wild. Well, I was doing the podcast at 9 o'clock last night, just trying to watch everything and make sure I had things to say. and then it calmed down. But I thought the pace was unbelievable. I felt better about the first round before you came in here. You're like, eh, me.

Yeah, it felt, I mean, we're going to love every draft. And I understand that part of it. We're in our bubble. But I didn't, once we adjusted to the pace, like, I kind of like it. But I think. It was good. The response didn't seem overly, but everyone's miserable, so everyone's going to say. Oh, were people mad at the pace?

Yeah. I guess one of the networks was like 10 minutes behind and no one got to, there's no analysis. But honestly, like, I don't, I've done it when it was 15 minutes. And it's like, all right, we got it. You know, so down to eight.

When I did the, I did the NBA draft for two years for ESPN. And it went so fast. Like, we were, the first time I did it, we were in a commercial when Cody Zeller got taken fourth. Huh. And we came back and it was already the fifth pick. And we had just kind of been like, oh, by the way, Cody Zeller got taken.

taking, it was crazy. I was like, we didn't have enough time. Like, we didn't have enough time to talk about anything. How long are those? It felt like, I want to say it was five minutes. Yeah, that's how tonight gets. Third round is, it goes fast. But it should.

But, you know, I saw this thing on social media about Godell's first draft, which I think was 07. It was six hours and seven minutes. Yes. Yep. Who wants to stay up that late to watch something? I think I blocked that out of my mind. Yeah.

Like six hours, seven minutes? When did they make the... When did we transition to that, though? Remember it was Saturday and Sunday? It was first three rounds. Oh, it was around... And then four through seven on the second day. It was around like 2010, I think.

Okay. I'm old enough to remember discovering the draft on ESPN whenever it was just... It was like a room this size and Roselle. People were smoking in a cocktail party almost. Rosel's just coming up being like, ah, the Ravens are going to take... Yeah.

Not the Raymond's the... Colts. Yeah, the Colts. Yeah. But I remember the first one I really watched was the 83 one. With that all the quarterbacks. Yeah. And the Pats ended up with Tony Easton.

Tony Easton. But it was Ken O'Brien. Tony Eason was falling. Yeah. With Grogan. Yeah. I kept waiting. Come on.

The Easton guy. And that was like a really exciting draft. And Elway didn't necessarily want to go to Baltimore. Right. Yeah. But then Marino was falling. And they're kind of talking about it. And it was just like amazing

I was just I was like 14 I was like this is the most rivet I can't believe The drama is great Yeah it was just awesome I mean I yeah I mean we're sitting here today

Obviously we fell in love with it too There's nothing like it man Like think about the last 10 days Yeah And all the the misinformation And the rumors and the lying to And the You can't beat this drama

You know? No Yeah And then you get it And then you're done last night And it's like texting With GMs and different and like who's moving up.

And like, you know, in this little bubble we're in, like people are worked up inside the league about, you know, are you hearing, is anyone going to move up? Yeah. Who's going there? So it's, uh, it's exciting. It's exciting. And yet next year, the draft's going to be really awesome.

You're like, man, last year's draft sucked. Right. This is, we have 47 storylines this year. It's going to be wild. Who's the number one pick next year now? Like, who would be the favorite? Archie? Arch Manning.

Not Archie. Archie. on this yet? I'm sure. It's got to be. I would guess it would be Arch just over Dante Moore. Oh, your guy.

That's another one of your guys. Yeah. Yeah. You like both of those guys. I like both of them a lot. Yeah. Little Sophie's Choice action when it gets there.

You're going to have to pick one? I'm going to have to. That's going to be tough. I haven't even thought about that. There's two other guys. I got a way too early mock draft coming out this way. I know.

There could be the holding the two up. I didn't think about this. I've been, you pretty all in on Dante. What are you trying to... I mean, you love that guy. I'm going to Manning Passing Academy in July. A lot of stock for him already.

Who's your favorite out of those? Oh, man. I recognize it's going to be Archer Dante, but my sleeper is Lenora Sellers from South Carolina. They're so bad. South Carolina is so bad that when you watch the tape, I mean, he's just trying to do so much, and it's leading to bad habits and all these things.

But the Missouri game two years ago, he just like put the team on his back, won a game, And I was like, this kid. Superman, you called him. The other thing, it's almost like the political election where you can't know who the candidates are yet because there's always somebody that comes out of nowhere. Like this year was Mendoza. There's always some quarterback that we have no idea who it's going to be.

It was Jaden Daniels. Right. He was supposed to be, yeah, he's a third rounder. And then he had that year. Have you ever heard the name Brendan Soresby? Do you know who that is? No. He's a guy.

He was at Cincinnati. Now he's at Texas Tech. Sam Levitt from Arizona State. Yeah, Levitt's going to play for Lane at LSU. And he was already good. Did you do quarterbacks going to play at Miami now, and those quarterbacks seem to make some noise now? Don't forget about my guy Chesneyed with whoever his

quarterbacks can be. Yeah, I know. He'll turn that guy. I know a third runner. Holy Cross. Yeah, I don't know. I'm not. The coach. Yes, yes. Who's the quarterback they got?

No, you don't understand, man. Nico I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Yeah. Yes. I know. Yeah. UCLA is the official football team in the ringer.

I didn't tell you guys. Oh, really? Yeah. I don't think I told them. I haven't broken the news. People are drinking the Kool-Aid with Chesney, huh? It's my guy. It's not Kool-Aid.

He went to, no, there's more than Kool-Aid. It's, like, spiked with acid from the desert. Do you think he's like a signet guy? You think he could be the guy that makes the jump from that? He's incredible. He completely transformed Holy Cross. We were like, he did. He did.

I know of other programs that, like, were very high on him and were considering him. No, he's a legit guy. He's like, he's had enough time with, the off season to at least like put his stuff in his kind of his personality stuff behind the scene he's kind of not young but he's a younger guy is he like early 40s he's 40s he's 48 he's the best thing about he has great for 48 I've heard the speeches I went on it like I love the I love what he sound like I love it but I spent some time with them uh like six weeks ago his his big thing is competitiveness yeah where he even in the off season guys are

constantly competing they're competing like he puts people in different groups and it's like which group showed up on time the most which group did the best in the weight lifting this week which group did when we did our little throwing session and it's just constantly guys like battling each other right because he's like because when the season starts we're fighting so I want I want them fighting 365 days hunger games yeah he's like about accountability and competitiveness yeah but I I really think he could turn them around yeah you know yeah just this I mean that

quarterback's talented I'm guessing a lot of kids still want to go to UCLA I mean why wouldn't you yeah I mean yeah it's a better school it's gonna take a minute right though

oh you're not saying I don't know I really think it's not I'm way more optimistic the most I know but in the transfer portal you're yeah you're basically reset buttoning reset buttoning everything you have overnight you know

sounds like signity to me like you guys think you could be like the next I think he's really special. I'm all in on him. I don't know if it can be one year or two. I don't understand the dynamics of turning around a program in a year. I got to believe people from the UCLA,

they have alumni. They're willing to spend money on this. They're tired of watching the team. UCLA has deep pockets. Yeah. Right. Deep, deep, deep pockets. Well, it's time to get time to reach in.

And help out a little bit. Chip in. No, and there's two things with the UCLA. One in deep pockets. The other is they really hate USC. Yeah, that's good. It's like real abject hatred. It's the underrated rivalry in any college sport.

And I didn't know anything about it. In the East Coast, you kind of feel like, oh, that's cute. Yeah, yeah, it's not. They really hate each other. Yeah, it's real, huh? Yeah, it's real. There's competitiveness with, like, the L.A. families, like, just go, what college your kid's going to.

Yeah. You're either on one side or the other. You can't be both. It's pretty interesting. We've got really famous people, like, paying to get their kids into one. Well, yeah, that happened. Yeah. Yeah.

It's like, it's basically Duke, North Carolina with terrible PR would be how I described it. Like nobody knows it's a, it's a blood feud, but it really is. I'd love to see it. Yeah, it's good. There's nothing better than coming out here in November and you own, like, that game is awesome. Well, and they have two charismatic coaches that are actually not, you know, part of the problem with UCLA was either they were hiring former players who used to play there, like Foster, who's not a coach. Or these kind of guys who peaked 10 years ago who were big names like Chip Kelly. Yep.

But they never were actually looking for somebody who was going to try to build a program and not use it as a stepping stone to go somewhere else. Like that day, LA's great to live here. He's got a family and like he'll be here. That's great. And he'll try to turn it around. New Hezell's kid was like the biggest story for UCLA last year. Yeah. Yeah.

Who they up in? Penn State. Yeah. Yeah. That train. That freight train. No, it's going to be fun. I'm really pumped for this.

I'm all in on UCLA. So I'm going to be the most invested in this car. college football season. Good. Between the quarterbacks. Do you go to all the games? I've never, I've never been a UCLA game.

I will go this year. He's a Holy Cross guy. I feel like this is the closest I'll ever have to having a college football team because it'll never happen to Holy Cross. Yeah. Although we did go and defeated 1991. I remember.

Who was the He was the Heisman finalist? Well, that was 88. It was Gordy Lockback. Gordy Lockbone. Yeah. Gordy Lockpom. Such a Holy Cross name. Going both ways,

Gordy. I remember that. I remember that. I remember that. It was around the same time as Doug Flutty. And I had a misconception that like maybe sports were okay. College football was okay in Massachusetts, you know? No.

The college sports should be better in Massachusetts, especially college basketball. Because we do have, when you think about it's Massachusetts, but also Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Rhode Island, Connecticut. You're basically getting the entire East Coast. And if you just had, if you had a Gonzaga on the East Coast, these kids were all want to be like, like, you know?

Yeah. Like what's the end of the basketball? I can't both the college. do this. I don't understand how they don't figure it out. What's his name? DeBanza left. AJ DeBanza went to Utah.

No. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Who's going to be the number one pick in the NBA draft in June, left Massachusetts to go to Utah. Was it by you or Utah? He went to BYU.

BYU, yeah. But moved there to go to boarding school in Utah and then to BYU. And the guy who was in the NBA, who was, who, um, come on. He played a Duke, right? Yeah, Duke. He's from Maine, right? Oh, Cooper Flagg. Yeah, yeah.

Thank you. Sorry, my brain's on this. No, no, no. Cooper Flag's from Maine. Cooper Flagg's going to be on the Celtics in 2013. How so? Diehard Celtic fan. Yeah, he is.

How are they going to get Cooper Flagg? He's going to sign his phrase it because it's what his heart wants. I love this. Is it in Dallas? I did not have us pegged for a Cooper Flagg segment. Cooper Flag signs with the Celtics. Like eight minutes before the day in the draft. Five years.

I might stay for a couple of picks, then I have to leave because the Sixers and Celtics are playing. Let's do it. What's that series that right now? It's 1-1. We'll win tonight, I think. But I feel like it's bad karma. You know, the NBA is stupid. Somebody just makes 23s in a game.

C. Jim McCallum and shows up first. Yeah. Like, you just never know with the NBA. Football is way more. The right team usually wins unless it's a goofy game with turnovers. But basketball. It shouldn't be different, like a seven-game series or the cream should rise at the top? It usually is what happens.

Okay. Just game to game, you never know. You just don't know. Yeah. Like Denver last night, the, uh, the, they just leave Joker open. Right. You can't make a three. Yeah.

They have six points in the first quarter. You know, immediately it's over because he missed four threes. You know, whereas football, I don't know. They usually, there's not a lot of slumps in football. There's not slumps. There's no seven game series either. so anybody can beat anybody. But for the most part, you kind of know who the best six teams are.

Yeah. All right, we got a draft to do. Yeah. Let's do it. Go, you do. I'm just here. Who's the... So, let's get into it.

What's that? Let's throw up the best available. Here we go. Wow. This is, what an honor. Denzel Boston, our only player, we talked about this earlier. Only player in the top 28 that didn't wind up going in the first. Colton Hood.

cornerback from Tennessee, Caden McDonald. I've got him pegged as a New York giant, man. They hope so. They could, obviously, with Dexter Lawrence leaving town, they're picking just a, what is it, 35 overall, or 37? 37 overall. So that's the fifth pick of this round.

Will he last to that spot? This is a big question. T.J. Parker, who's your guy? We both like it. Yeah. Is your guy? Clemson, defensive end, long, powerful, didn't have the year. that we expected last year.

Tapes better. But 2024 was a really good season. Jamad McCoy, Jamad McCoy is the most talented. If you're just talking, the traits you look for at the cornerback position coming out of Tennessee, didn't play in 2025.

One of those guys. No, I didn't sit out. He tore his ACL, and apparently they're worried about it being degenerative, is the word you hear for all the NFL team. So that's why a top 10, top 15 talent is still sitting here

in the second round. expect him to come off the board with some other cornerbacks that we talked about, like DeAngelo Ponds from Indiana, Colton Hood, we just mentioned a little bit earlier. The other edge rusher that you see there is Zion Young from Missouri, but it won't shock. Cassius Howell is a wild card. On tape, he's a top 15 pick. Explosive, the ability to, he can drop in cover at times.

he plays absolutely crazed. The problem is he's got even shorter arms than Ruben Bain. He's undersized in general. There's some other stuff to sort through. And so it won't shock me if he's picked 33 when we kick things off for San Francisco, but it also won't shock me if we get to pick 40 and he's still lingering around. So between he and McCoy, they're the two big wild cards to watch for early in this second round of the draft. Then trade-and-stukes, we've talked about it.

He's caught a lot of steam early on recently. He's a nickel safety. Everyone was looking for that chess piece on defense. Can we see the list again? Yep, Trey Dan Stukes is on that list. I think he was the eighth player on that list. And then Jacob Rodriguez, the linebacker from Texas Tech, who's the peanut punch, turn the ball over,

make big plays and big moments guy. He's one of three inside linebackers, including Bill Simmons' favorite, C.J. Allen and also Jake Galday from Cincinnati. So we're going to see some inside linebackers. We're going to see some corners, see some edges early on. And then we'll get back to kind of after Denzel Boston. We'll get back to some of the wide receivers in the middle of the round,

which will include the two guys that I think are gaining steam. And I talked about with the Rams, Dejohn, stripling from Ole Miss, and Jeremy Bernard from Alabama. Oh, I like him. Just blink test on what name seems like they're going to be the best player just by looking at the names only. Yep. Colton Hood is really strong. It is.

I could see that like Colton Hood once again made the all-pro team. Really, really, like in a sports movie, Colton Hood is like a strong name. Also could be a quarterback. Right. Colton Hood's just like, I feel like that's going to be successful. He's got a great sellie, too. He does the hood when he breaks up a path. I like Zion Young, too, is a strong name. It's great your name.

Cash's out of, wow, they can't keep Zion Young out of the back. I didn't like the spelling of Cassius that word. That was a red flag for me. I was just trying to, in my head, like, seeing it on the TV during a second round playoff game. Right. Whether he was Cassius Howells reeking havoc. I don't know. I couldn't see it.

Yeah. I don't like the H. Every time, right? Yeah. But you want to see Colton Hood? You want to see some... Yeah, let's see some Colton Hood. This is from the Senior Bowl.

We had Jake and Nick down there taking video of them. Hmm. Looks like a first rounder to me. Watch a little pedal. Oh, oh. Oh, who's that quarterback? Pressman guy, physical. This is where he struggled.

Ball in the air, but he does a nice job on that play. There's the hood. There's the hood. There's a sally. There's a sally. I mean, that should move him up seven spots. That's a really strong. The sally, right?

Yeah, that's a really strong one. He got better as a weak one on. Oh, he did it again. Yeah, that's the same. That's a trademark. That's great. What if he's a patriot? We won't get him in.

No, he will. Yeah, right? I'm just joking. But he's a guy you pull for. Is there a possible contender that he could go to in the 30s? Probably not. Buffalo. Oh, yeah, some people traded back.

Yeah, Buffalo's a 35. Absolutely. Yeah. That's scary. Well, that would suck. That would upset me. Houston. Jesus.

They could take whoever they want, man. I mean, they could just, they can do whatever they want. Quarterback? They, they, what do you think about that? Think they should take a quarterback at something? I don't, if I was a Houston fan, I'm not. What's going on with that? I'm not sure.

I would know what to think or do about the quarterback situation. At least Drake may seem like he was hurt. CJ was not. He was the other thing. It was all over the map the whole season. You have this incredible roster. Yeah. Like, it's not going to stay like that, man.

Right. You better figure out if he's the guy or not. Yeah, especially if that Will Anderson contract. They're paying a guy 50 million a year, basically. I know. I know. Like, they're going to run out of room to pay people after a while. That's why I think I would, yeah. Something's up with CJ

Stroud and there's been like speculation or there was one report like if we're going to find out there's going to be something there but then you talk to people in the league and they're like no it's just like you know struggling with the confidence is up and down but the guy that we saw as a rookie

is not the guy that we saw last year the confidence swagger is not there how do you fix that man because honestly like Nick Casario the GM has built one like you just said one of the best rosters in the like top three rosters in the league Mm-hmm.

I mean, they probably... Drafting a quarterback is not... Like, you're not... First of all, you're not getting one this year. So I guess next year becomes the, you know, break glass in case of emergency. Right. He's going in his fifth year, right?

No, this is four. Four. So he's coming into the year where you have to make the decision. That's what it is. There's two teams that probably... Well, maybe even three that look back at last year

and think they should have made the Super Bowl. Like, Denver could... The Bow Nix got hurt. Yeah. San Diego's like, if we don't... have 1,700 injuries. But the one with the best case is probably Houston. It's like, how did

we not beat the Patriots? Our defense dominated them. We would have beat Denver. And our quarterback didn't show up. And we would have beaten everybody else when we made the Super Bowl. I mean, the weather and those games. So it's official. It's official. Day 2 of the 2026 NFL draft has begun.

Let's go. And currently, we've got the San Francisco 49ers sitting on the clock at 33 overall. We've got Pittsburgh is still losing its mind over this draft and the crowds are amazing. We're thrilled to be here with you on Netflix out from the beautiful brand new studios. Bill Simmons scouted on a long power walk one day. And honestly, what a difference.

This place is amazing. And we're thrilled to be doing this here. And we're like, what an honor. Netflix. Yeah. Two nights of the draft. And we had a blast last night. So we're going to carry it through.

You're on Netflix competing against nobody dumps my daughter? I don't know if you saw that movie. No. Yeah. I like her chances. He dumped her daughter and it just didn't work out well for him. I like our chances tonight. Not moving forward.

So we just walked through the best available. We got San Francisco on the clock. Let's remind everyone. It's eight minutes last night felt like a whirlwind. Tonight it's seven in the second round. Five minutes between picks in the third round. So we have 68 picks. Yeah.

Seven minutes. Shave a minute off. Shave a minute. 68 picks to get to 32 in round two. and 36 in round three. How about that math on the fly? Here we look at San Francisco. San Francisco those were the original picks they came into the draft with.

San Francisco traded back, right? Yeah, to 33. Yeah. And they're looking now, if we're looking at their needs, offensive tackle certainly is one of them. And by the way, the reason they trade back is because I believe the guy they wanted was Lomo, right? Right. And they're not going to get him, so let's get out.

The Pats finally jumped somebody and got a guy. Yeah. Never used to do that. We always go backwards. Elliot Wolf's kind of been cooking. I believe in Elliot Wolf. But, I mean, I thought last year he killed it. Possible suspect for the photos?

For the 20 to 1? Finn was? We probably shouldn't talk about that. I'm fascinated by whoever's behind it, and I have theories. Tennessee. Kind of the nice part about having you around right now is... I could make those jokes. You can make those jokes.

I can't make any of those jokes. But you're living under Iraq. Tennessee is sleeper favorite. That's his theory. I'm telling you, that's my theory. That's his theory. Yeah, if this was law and order, they'd be heading down in Tennessee. They would be the first suspect to talk to him.

Yeah. We'd be talking about it. All right. So San Francisco, let's not forget. This is an organization. Mike Evans brought in the offseason Christian Kirk brought in the off season, right? George Kittle is coming off that brutal injury. What are we

going to get from him at the tight end position? And chugging beers at WrestleMania, I don't know if you saw that. I did. Yeah, I did. Multiple. I think that might be a good sign. Okay. Yeah. If you're feeling good enough to chugs some beers. Yeah. But the needs that we have

left tackle, edge, safety. The reason New England trades up is we talked about seven tackles, nobody now until really like late second or third. So it's not going to be offensive tackle here. We just talk about the edge rushers. Safety's an intriguing spot. Like Stoakes or Emmanuel McNeil Warren from Toledo. So I would say, we talked about T.J. Parker is a strong possibility from Clemson. Cassius Howell, you have to keep an eye on because, as I said, he's a wild card. And then I would say Emmanuel McNeil Warren is three guys. And if they don't go here,

those guys are going to come off the board pretty soon. Yeah. Yeah. I like the edge. I think they need to get... Their passports was terrible last year, and they had guys who were hurt. Mikel Williams had an ACL,

Bosa had an ACL, so you're hoping those guys come back healthy, but I would go for edge here. They should draft a trainer. We're to get into all the conspiracy theories. More medical. Yeah. Or like an exorcist.

Or move the practice field. An electromagnetic exorcist? Is it too early? I'm telling you the chargers have the same thing, but I don't know why we just focus on Sam Fran. Because there's not an electromagnetic factory next to the practice field. Do you actually believe that? I do. I think something's funky with it.

Really? Yeah, I think it's weird. I think it's weird. I love to you believe it. Yeah, I do too. It's probably because Shanahan runs practices like a 19, like Bear Bryant. Question, would you want to have your house next to this thing? No.

No, no. There you go. You know what? Fair. Cancer. Everyone's like, ah, can't be a problem. Do you want to live next to him? No.

Julia Roberts, the lawsuits, and she was the lawyer. Aaron Brockovich. Aaron Brockovich. Thank you. I was going Pelican brief, but my mind's not in the right place today. Yeah, it would be an Aaron Brockovich, like, huge warning. Aaron Brockovich, by the way, if it was Aaron with the AA as a man, like a second round pick. They're looking at Aaron Brockovich.

Like that sounds like a fullback out of Navy. A fullback or a guard. First fullback taken? Fullback or a guard. Best guard in the draft? I kind of like this. It's certainly more entertaining than it was last night. I'm just here to mix it up.

I'm intrigued because this is a team, right? This is an organization that clearly is trying to win now. You know? You don't bring in Mike Evans in his last year or two. You don't bring in Christian Kirk. I still think that they could draft a wide receiver, but a little bit later. But they clearly need – but now you've got Nick Bosa. Can he stay healthy?

Well, they have a whole team of if he can stay healthy. It's like their mantra. You have McCaffrey, Mike Evans, and Bosa? But like Fred Warner's at the end. Nick Bosa is at the end. Mike Evans is at the end. The point I'm making here is like this player that they draft better make a massive impact. That's to play next year.

this year. This year. Immediately. So this isn't about a develop. So that like the Caleb Lowe move thing, it makes sense, but it was hard for me to kind of wrap my head around. Why are we making all these moves and looking at this roster thinking, let's get a guy for 2027, you know? And so, so with that off the table, an impact edge and impact safety. But they are counting on a lot of old guys.

And how much does it signal? Mikel Williams. We drafted an edge last year in the first round. Yeah, but they had the ACL. I understand that. But, but I guess with Nick Bosa,

you draft an edge now and you're planning for the future while also having a rotation. I get all that. But it's kind of frustrating that you have to draft back-to-back years and edge rusher,

but we see it happen a lot because of the importance of the position. I still don't know how they won 12 games last year or whatever their record was. He made no sense as it was happening. He's one of the best coaches in the league. But they just lost so many.

First of all, had already lost people, and then they lost more people. I know. I just, it was, I thought the weirdest thing that happened last year, out of all the records or anything. It was one of the best coaching jobs in the league last year. And you got to play the Rams and Seattle. Like, it's, that's a tough job, man. Yeah, the Rams in Seattle are in your division. Yeah.

That thing's brutal. Yeah. How about Arizona? They don't even get, which part? It sucks waking up this morning. When you were, I'm not saying they were all in on Ty Simpson and there's next year's draft. Oh. But the league knew that you were going to move up and thought you could do a New York Giants thing and bring in Ty Simpson.

And now you don't have the guy. And now you're looking at Jacob Bresset. He had some good moments last year. He did. I'm being sarcastic. He did that. He did, though. He was okay.

I mean, compared to Kyler, he was okay. Yeah, he was. It actually was steadier. How bad things How bad are things in Minnesota That you bring in Kyler? I think you That's...

He'll do wonders for him. I love McCarthy. I just don't. I don't see it. See, Kyler? I just don't see it. I don't think... You're not winning playoff rounds with him.

I don't see it. Yeah. He can't throw over the middle. He... I think you can pressure him. I think you panics. I don't think he'd stay healthy. There's seven things I don't like.

But you took a quarterback in the first round two years ago and, I mean, now you're already punting on that. I mean, it's... It's interesting. I mean, they're a competitive team because he's a good coach. The interesting part is that the quarterbacks go there or San Francisco, sometimes the Rams to get right and then kind of move on.

Yeah, so why not study what those teams are doing and then try to figure out your version of it? If I was, if I ran an NFL team, I would just study the teams that were specifically good at certain things and just spend days, weeks, trying to figure out, what are they doing that we're not doing? Why are they so good at quarterbacks? Because there's only a handful of guys in the league that actually know how to do it. And it's growing. We've seen, like, from that Shanahan tree, it's KOC, it's, it's McVeigh, obviously. It's the LaFleuars now.

It's, you know, Bobby Sloak just went down to Miami. But how much secret sauce could there be? Like, why do these guys have these secrets that they just, these guys know how to connect where other people don't? I can't imagine what it is. It's schematically. I'm not doubting it. I'm just saying I'd love to know what it is. Well, it's factual.

There's no real doubting it. It's, they do it over and over and over again. But it gets, it gets muddied when you have, when you have a, you have one of these guys that actually knows what he's doing in Kevin O'Connell. And he has the guy. And then Sam goes and leaves and goes and wins a Super Bowl. But why didn't it work with J.J. McCarthy? That's what, that's what it gets, that's why it gets money. It's not, it's not, it's not perfect for, for everyone.

It's not, you know, it's like the spurs had a, the St. St. shooting coach. Yeah. Who fixed like Kauai shot and all these different shots. And at some point it was like, yeah, they'll take an athlete. If this shot is a great, this guy will fix it. And he'd fix it every time.

And my joke was always, why doesn't somebody else pay this guy like $20 million a year? Oh, 100%. It seems like the best, better of advantage you could have. 100%. I'm short in the Niners next year. Huh. 12 and 5, no way. Although third place schedule.

The pick's been in for like five minutes. Ooh. The pick is in. We're going to have this in a moment. And we talked about edge rusher. We talked about a lot of different players. Now we have to watch somebody walk 20, 25 yards. Yeah, Roger doesn't do it day, too, right?

He's all done for the weekend. Who's that? We talked about youth at wide receiver, edge, and safety. Oh, he's giving him monologue. Yeah. Come on. This is the day. I heard McAfee is going twice today for the Colts.

That'll be, that'll take longer than the five minutes itself per pick. Big month for him. Big month. Every month feels like a big month. He was in the WrestleMania match? Yeah. Oh.

There it is. Dejan Stribling from Ole Miss. Was not on your list. Not on the top 10. We knew, I mean, one of the hottest names I told you. He's been moving up before a while. That's one of the Rams guys. He's not on the last.

He's perfect for this system, right? Dejaun's stripling when you look at him. He is a big physical receiver who, I know the Rams were very interested in him, all of these West Coast, Shanahan-style teams. Because what does he do? Physicality, catch point strength, run after catch, and he'll block his tail off. I mean, those are the main things. And so you're looking at this situation now with Mike Evans,

how much you're going to actually get out of them. Ricky Pearson, Piersol, Christian Kirk, and now you have a legitimate weapon for someone, I mean, electrical field. There's going to be an injury. Yeah, you got to beef up. Got to have depth with that electric field next thing. But to say it's... We knew we was going to go early in the second round,

but I do have pushback in Denzel Boston's a bigger, stronger version of this. Not as fast. I get it. I'm a Denzel Boston guy. Yeah. But Stribling's a 4-3 SEC receiver who was productive who, for me, I couldn't understand why

he's almost flew under the radar even though he's putting up these numbers for a playoff team in the SEC. No, we got his grade, right. We've been higher on Stribling than just about anybody out there. I don't have any problem with that. So where'd you have him? We had him as the,

let's see, we had him as the 51st player in this class. But with the second round grade. It was the second round grade, yeah. So they took your 51st guy, 33rd. 33rd. That's why I said. I'd like to wish everyone in San Francisco, congratulations. Yeah.

Way to go. I would have taken Denzel Boston. I recognize the speed difference, but I also think Boston's just a better all-around football. And if you're worried about Mike Evans, Boston is the Mike Evans guy. Right. He's that guy. So it'll be interesting to see if Denzel Boston is sliding a little bit. But he's the 20th player on our board.

Quite frankly, 20 to 40, 20 to 46 or 50 is not that big of a gap between all these guys. They're 91 to 83 grades, you know. But the fascinating part to me is that they had edge rusher sitting there. They believe in Mikel coming back in Bosa. There's wide receivers you could have gotten later in the draft when you pick again at 58. Yeah. So now you're counting on an edge rusher or a safety to be there at 58.

So managing the draft, it's going to be interesting to see how John Lynch does that. Yeah, what's interesting to me is another Rams potential receivers off the board. So the Ty Simpson pick gets more interesting. I do want to, like, I would have taken Denzel Boston, but I think it's important to point out, like, his ball skills are outstanding, Stripplings, Dejohn's Treblings. his contested catch rate, interestingly enough, was not exceptional. Oh, we got another pick in.

But he's a physical guy who's, like you said, after the catch four, three, six beat. Next pick is up. It's in Arizona. Chase Basantes, the guard from, played some tackle, guard from Texas A&M. This is a guy that mensch, this is not your favorite of the three guards. No. The three guards we talked about, after Venga Yawane, who went predictably 14 to the Baltimore Ravens, there were three guards that were all late first, early second, right?

And those were Keelan Rutledge, who went late first, to Georgia Tech, Chase Basantis, and the guy that you and I both really like Emmanuel Pregnant. Tell the folks about Chase Bessantis and what you like, but also why, of those three, he was the third on the board for you. So 315 pounds, he's got a good frame. He moves pretty well. Like a lot of these guys, the Miami tape is a tough watch when they played in the playoffs. And that's kind of my concern is that he overextends.

He gets beat in past production a little more for a guy that I would like target in the first round. This is still a little early for me, but not as bad as I thought it was going to be. Bills are on the clock. We'll get to that in a minute. That's an intriguing pick. But they get Jeremiah Love. Yeah. Right?

I'm just, I'm laying the groundwork here. You get Jeremiah Love. This is exactly where he should have gone. I don't have a problem with where he's taken. I do with Pregnon still on the board. Okay. You do, but I promise you there's

kind of minority in the league. But Pregnon is considered one of those three. I do understand, like, Arizona. So Paris Johnson, obviously you sign the left tackle. You got Isaac Sumalo at left guard. You're set at center. I guess the right guard is where you're going to plug him in. Who's the right guard?

Isaiah Adams. Okay. But he's a 2024 third round pick. It's just interesting, how does that play out? They brought in two offensive tackles. Oli Udo as a backup to Elijah Wilkinson, but there was a lot of talk about Arizona taking an offensive tackle in Francis Maui Noah at that number three pick.

And now they take a guard in the second round. So it makes you wonder who's playing where along that offensive front. But what it does tell you very much is a clear vision for Mike LaFleur in his first year. We are going to line up and we're going to run the football because we've got Jeremiah Love, Tyler Algier, we'll see what we get from James Connor as he comes back, and we're drafting a guard with essentially a first-round pick with the third pick of the second round,

or second pick of the second round. So that part we know. I like the Algier signing. I do too. The combo of that? I didn't mind the pick. I don't know who the best guard was, but, you know, they're not going to have a quarterback.

No. So you might as well just beef up your line and just pound the ball. Al Jare is such a good change of pace guy. Yeah. Yeah. And he's got to be a little pissed. He was just overshadowed, but yeah. Yeah.

Because he left Atlanta to get away from this exact situation and gets it in Arizona. But yes, it's a perfect role for him. So the pick is in T.J. Parker. Love it. Oh. T.J. Parker to the Buffalo Bills. This is an excellent pick for the bills. Yeah.

So they trade back twice. End up with an edge anyway. An edge that by all the key, an edge that we thought coming into the year watching his tape, you see him in the senior bowl. He resurrected his draft stock in the senior bowl. Let's do this. You go to 22 and 24. He looks like an ascending top 15 pick.

Look at the length, straight arm, the power that he shows, right? The ability to walk offensive tackle. Look at that one arm. Oh, my gosh. That's who he is. There's a still shot of that, by the way, where he has the guy off his feet. Now he's not the twitchiest guy. his production this past year.

I talked to people in the league. The interesting thing they said about T.J. Parker is not giving him a pass, but he had a lot going on this year. New scheme, got married in the middle of the season, which was a confusing decision to make. But, like, if you're looking for reasons, like we had reasons with Ty Simpson maybe fell off at the end of the season, there were distractions in his life.

This guy is 6.3.5, 33 and 8-inch arm length, the ability to just use. saw in that clip from the senior bowl, he's like day one, he's a absolute run-stuffing machine and powerful. And I think there's pass rushing upside in his game. So for the bills to get him as a top three guy who

got married during the season or no? Do you get like the, the BYU roster? You know? So is that like a bye week you get married? Like when you did that? I don't know. I didn't know that. It's a red flag decision making for me. I agree. That also like, what's

the wife that she must have been pushing for that, right? Well, let's get locked in before the contract year, you know. Clemson money is good, but... That's crazy to me. This guy's game translates the NFL. I was hoping they wouldn't take them. There's a trade that's occurred, okay? The Houston Texans are now making this pick.

Is that accurate? The Houston Texans are making this pick. So I don't want to get away from it because I know you want to talk about T.J. Parker as well. He's one of your guys. Go ahead. Yeah, he's game just. translates to the NFL. All this, like a hero about, oh, he's twitchy and he's fast and he's so explosive.

Dude, you're not going to run around a lot of NFL tackles. It's not a thing. Like, you have to be able to win with power. You've got to be able to win with your hands. This kid can do all that. And the numbers weren't great last year. But the tape was good. The senior bowl was good.

The Combine was good. This kid was the first round picked to me all day. This has to be for Caden McDonald. I'm sorry. It has to be. There's a target on the Giants back. We just traded Dexter Lawrence. There's a first round defensive tackle from Ohio State named Caden McDonald,

who's a big, physical, Dexter Lawrence type. If there was a cop there, it absolutely is him. Because Dexter Lawrence wasn't the pass rusher he developed into being the Giants. This guy has not been a great pass rusher at Ohio State. But he... Do you think Houston moved up to jump the Giants? Absolutely. To get the interior defensive linemen.

This would be a brilliant move by Nick Casario, understanding the board. But quite frankly, the Giants knew there was a target on their back for this guy. Why wouldn't they try to move up? Maybe they did. Maybe they did. Maybe they did. But not hard enough because Houston was able to get to move up that spot.

And then, like, yeah, there's a drop. I mean, I like Lee Hunter, but I guess it wouldn't be bad. Maybe we're wrong. But if it's Caden McDonald, this is a guy who at, what, 330 pounds, You know how good that Ohio State defense is, obviously? He was like fourth in tackles? Fourth or fifth in tackles on that defense. He makes place.

And I think he's a little bit better as a pass rusher. Uh-oh. I think he can get there. Who's this? The only guy left in the green room is Caden McDonald. And we're seeing him now shaking hands. It looks like... Now, that doesn't...

I'm not getting an indication he's definitively the pick. But that's who everyone in the world who follows us closely is believing is the pick. I like the move of sticking around if you don't get drafted. 36 to 38. Two spots, and it created a fourth and a third round swap, it looks like. I don't mind that from the Raiders end.

You only move back to when you move up. I think Brady was pulling the trigger with Mark Davis? Yeah. You think he got inside information during his TV meetings? I do, but we shouldn't gloss over, like, as a Patriots fan. Yeah. With Greg Rousseau and Bradley Chubb, like they needed another pass rusher. And this is a guy who, I don't know that he's going to be elite,

but I think that this keeps everyone fresh. Like the pick, one pick earlier, T.J. Parker going to the Buffalo Bills. I just want to kind of wrap that pick up. Like that scares me more as an opponent. Kadell is back. As an opponent than it does with a cornerback. Yeah, he likes to, no, he promised that he was going to do this for Caden McDonald. He promised the hug.

I read that over. Oh. Okay. So I'm assuming that... Let's time the hug. Let's see how long the hug takes. I can't wait for this. You want to get my stopwatcher?

Yeah, this would be. I think it's an eight-second hug. Honestly, I think it's five, six seconds. It's five point five would be my over-ender. I love this pick. Nick Casario was done in an outrageous job. Here we go. Just what the Texans needed was another...

Great way to add up. You ready? Oh, he's emotional. Derek White is O for two and three-pointers already in this Philly game Every shot he takes either go sideways or hits the back of the rim and it's gonna sink the Celtic season if he doesn't figure this out That's great. I didn't know you had or I'm gonna I'm gonna stress out soon about the Celtic games My son does the dinner we have like a at the dinner table there's a shelf or there's a yeah a drawer And I'm always like what's going on man? I look at guys got this got this stuff in there yeah

Here we go I don't think we can underrate how important this pick is for the Houston Texans. This guy is an absolutely dominant run defender. So why didn't he go higher? He should have. I think he should have. We had him higher.

We had him as our, I think he was the only interior defensive lineman. Peter, no, sorry, Peter Woods, we had at 32, Caden McDonald's, our number one defensive tackle in this class. I think that maybe it was a fit thing

that I thought the chiefs wanted He's a zero technique. He's like the old school, you know, play him over the center, take up two gaps. But I promise you, I see past rushing potential and I know you do too. So if this guy develops into what

you and I both think he can be, it gives Houston another piece up front on that defense that doesn't need any pieces. That's the beauty of having a roster like this. You just take... And we had interior defensive linemen, is there a number of

number two neat. Like it's not a spot. They get, they get Sheldon Rankin's there. He came in early for the home. Oh, this is so long. This is way over. Hold on. Oh, this could be a 15 seconder. How long? I just clicked. No, this is going to be 20 seconds.

Does music come on? This could be the new record. Probably two seconds. Does Endless Love come on? Oh, wow. See, Gadell now. Is it? There we go. He's like... So I had 15 seconds after the time. Kadell's crying. It's emotional, man. Good for him. The only guy of all the invitees

to come to the draft and not go in the first round. Really tough. Yeah. Where's the all-time nightmare? Like you could just go home at that point, right? You're like, whatever, I'm going home. I like that he stayed.

Although he probably knew he was coming off soon. That happened a few times in basketball. Guys just in the green room. And in the NBA, they just put a camera on the guy. And like, let's see if we can watch him emotionally break down. They did that with Aaron Rogers and just a couple other guys. it's funny the rogers thing it took a life of its own because everyone was saying during that draft if he doesn't go into these two teams he could fall 20 spots and short up like shocking yeah

what a great pick for them though and houston's gonna be scary you take that great defense and just make it that much better gonna really need cj strad to not be good this year right the picks in for the new york giants but i like he this guy i've just cade mcdonald looking I'm 6-2 and in 8, 32-inch arms, 326 pounds, the explosiveness that he shows getting off the snap into guys' pads. I think the most underrated thing with interior defensive alignment is their vision. It's like an instinct of vision that you have to have. And it's a weird thing to say, because when you get into the pads, now it's the moment of truth. A, you've got to have the strength to lock out and control that guy.

But then if you're late finding the ball, it doesn't matter. he is so quick when he gets to this point of locating where the football is and then has the ability at 326 pounds to go get it. I'm telling, like, the Houston Texans may have just got the biggest steel so far in this draft, and Texans fans are going to absolutely love this dude, and what he's going to free up by the two blockers that have to account for him when he's on the field for Will Anderson and the dudes on the outside, and the linebackers, and this is going to be a pick that you'll,

you will remember Texans. All right. Minnesota might remember, too, by the way. Can I make a prediction for the next pick? Yes. I think it's Denzel Boston time. Oh, I thought you were going to guess the right guy. Who?

It's your favorite player. Colton Hood is in here too? Colton Hood. Yep. Colton Hood, New York Giants. Show them. I want to see the... Why wouldn't they take... What do they need more?

A corner or receiver? Um... I mean, probably both. Both. Both. I would go corner with a slight edge. Teffid reaction in the warm room. Oh, there's a...

There's a quick hug. I think if they were going to go receiver, they were going to go earlier. They needed a, like, a guy. They already have a bunch of bodies in there. They already have a bunch of, you know, names or whatever, but they don't have a... Dude, they do not. Unless Malik Neighbors is not going to be 100% to start the season. Right?

You brought in Darnel Mooney, like, fine. Darius Slaten, fine. Names. Those should be three, yeah, Calvin, Austin, five. Those should be like threes and fours and five. I agree. Really? So...

I guess you're right, though. The Giants can't take a guy named Boston. No. No. It's probably off their board. That might be the Y. I'm not sure that's how you want to go about it, but yeah. Or it could just be an FU to Boston.

But it is a great pick, obviously, from a value standpoint. And need was, it was down the line. Oh, my guy. All right, now I can go. I try to tell you. It's another good pick by the Giants. Yeah. So Colton Hill here? Except for the offensive line with a herniated disc.

It's fine. Everything's fine. All the other discs are fine, except for that one. It's herniated. He might be a guard, and he has a herniated disc, but everything's fine. All right. I'm leaving. Good to see you, man.

It's great to see you, man. Thanks for all you guys are doing. Thanks. This has been awesome. We appreciate it. Love the studios, and appreciate everything you've done for us, man. I know. I'm starting to worry.

There's something. I need to start texting people. Colton Hood. Let's get back to this. Colton Hood. We saw some of the clips earlier. Bill Simmons' favorite player still available. I just think he's perfect for this scheme because he's physical, he's confident. I think he's on the up in terms of his ascension. This is the area that I thought, as you saw in that clip, that was the area when the ball is in the air, there was some inconsistency.

But even during senior ball week, seeing him getting better, he's a corner that, like 4-4-4-4 speed, the physicality's there, the confidence is there, guys love him around that team. I'm excited to see what he does with the Giants. And yes, I truly believe it should have been a wide receiver for the Giants. But I think they're looking at this and saying, you know what? And it's, you know what, give Joe Shane credit. He has actually for two years now handled the draft extremely well knowing the board.

He did it last year with, I don't know. Obviously, the number three pick, they get Abdul Carter, and then knowing where to go up and get Jackson Dart. This year, he understands, as we talked about, that this is going to be a situation where the cornerbacks come off the board quickly in round two. You're going to see this run happen. We talked about Colton Hood.

We talked about Jermod McCoy, where his injury, where our team feels comfortable. We talked about DeAngelo Pons, Avion Terrell, Brandon Sissay. I think this is where the run is going to be. And they know we've got all these other wide receivers. we can come back. We pick again at 105. Let's make sure that we get our cornerback here

because there's not one there that can start for us at 105. I had like an up and down ride with Hood. I remember watching him right. You liked him more than I did initially. And then watching him right after Chris Johnson from San Diego State, who I obviously loved. And then when I went back and watched him more, the more I liked him. I think Hood, they made the right move by taking him here.

I know there's that bucket of corners. He's different. I think he's at the top of that. All right, so the Raiders are on the clock, and it looks like they're not far away from making a selection. And when you look at the Raiders, they have a lot of needs. Obviously, wide receivers, one of them. I thought it could be Denzel Boston here. It wouldn't surprise me if it's one of the hot names that we've talked about coming into today.

Emmanuel McNeill Warren, Trey Dan Stukes, those safeties. And there it is. Trade and Stukes safety from Arizona, and this guy's an absolute playmaker. And you kind of got to love what they're doing, right? You've got your quarterback, obviously, number one. But now you come back and, like, this is a guy that a lot of teams were looking at, Mitch. Yeah. He's guys, I think he's going to play over the nickel.

He is tall. He has a good frame. He's got to fill it out a little bit more. He is fast. He's instinctive. The one thing I will say about him is, he has smaller hands and he drops some picks, but he's always in position to make a play.

Yeah, but he had the greatest pick of the entire draft. Exactly. You can drop some if you're constantly getting in position to make plays. He can win 50-50 balls. He tracks the ball well. He's versatile. It did not surprise me. This is another one of those players.

There's been some players, some defensive backs. We talked about Mansour Delane that when we got on the phone and talked, we were on the same page immediately. And when we watched Trade Ann Stukes kind of late, in the process. We both spoke, and it was, this kid is, he's a difference maker. An absolute difference maker. And I also feel good about the fact that we have been talking ad nauseum about two players that when I'm having conversations in the league, I'm getting more questions asked about who? Dejohn Stribling and trade-ins.

Yes. Teams were at a frenzy to find out. Now, like, I don't want to short-change Stoaks. I hope people understand. Like, this, is a nickel safety that can come in and play so many, where so many different hats. And these players are becoming more important. Think about Jalen Petrie. The guys who are playing in that close to the line of scrimmage role, they can handle the tight ends that are playing inline and detaching.

It's an important position in the NFL right now. He's going to become like an identity piece for this defense as the Raiders continue to rebuild that roster. I actually love this pick. And you could say, well, Emmanuel McNeill Warren was right high. They're different football players, man. This is exactly

what the Raiders need in Stoaks. Cleveland Browns are on the clock. My goodness, if the Browns don't take Denzel Boston with this pick, I don't understand. Something's wrong, and I will start making, not calls, but texts. We can't do both at the same time. Because Denzel Boston, with a receiver room of Jerry Judy, Cedric Tillman, Isaiah Bond, and, oh, and obviously, and they drafted Casey Concepcion.

So you've upgraded bond, which was an absolute necessity in the slot. And as much as I like Cedric Tillman, where he got drafted on day two coming out, but wouldn't you like to as you're the Cleveland Browns and you're preparing for 2027 or for Shador Sanders to break out and to go to the next level and to be your guy forever, okay? Either way, as you're getting it figured out in 2026 for the 27 season, wouldn't you love to have Jerry Judy, Denzel Boston, Casey Concepcion with appropriately in the four and five slots, Isaiah Bond, explosive weapon, can't trust him consistently, but explosive, and Cedric, tell him in another big body wide receiver. Wouldn't you? Love it.

And if you're trying to evaluate a young quarterback and find out whether that quarterback is going to be your quarterback of the future, in Shador Sanders, don't you want him in a position that he should be successful, that he can have success, so you get an accurate read, you're not looking back on it and say, well, if we had better receivers, the kid might have done better. There were four players coming into today. Four players in our top 32 that were still available. We had 28 that we got in the first round. Colton Hood just came off the board recently.

Caden McDonald, you saw emotionally hugging the commissioner, Roger Goodell. T.J. Parker came off the board as well. Parker was the first of those three, then McDonald, Parker went to Buffalo, McDonald to Houston, and Hood to the Giants. With the exception of Denzel Boston, there's not a single player in our top 32 still available. So it would make a lot of sense if that were the pick here for the Cleveland Browns from our standpoint, but also depth chart-wise and building your roster as I just laid out. Other positions they could go, yes, they could use an edge rusher.

But to me, it's wide receiver or edge. The pick is in, Munch. Here we go. To do. Next year. See how I got after Bill about the 2027 draft on the... You are not... You gave me such a hard time for going after L.A. Wolf.

And then Bill Simmons walks in. But that's something for our family, man. I love it. I just don't know if it's an on-air conversation. It's definitely not an on-air conversation. It's definitely not an... on-air conversation. And it's awkward, and I shouldn't have done it.

I appreciate it. But you know me. It's like my rebirth, everything's transparent. Yeah, yeah, I guess. He's going to stop picking on, but Denzel Boston is the pick. Denzel Boston is a pick. To kind of go back to what you're saying a minute ago, by the way, if he falls farther than this, it starts, like, make some calls, what's going on with Denzel Boston?

Yes. What don't we know? It was a Kobe Dean texting and figuring out, oh, there was a, there's a bice. or stress fracture, something's going on, because this kid is way too good to last any longer on the board. Well, let's talk about Denzel Boston. Denzel Boston is a favorite of ours, and I'll be quite honest with you. You liked them first, and you probably finished liking him a little bit more than I did. I didn't think the routes were as crisp as you thought, but I can tell you this.

He's six three and a half. He's got those long 32-inch arms to go out and get the football. 35-inch vertical at that size, 212 pounds. He is everything you would expect in a big physical X-wide receiver. The production was outstanding, and I'll be honest with these 62 catches, 881 yards for 14.2 and 11 touchdowns last year. Might as well have been 100 for 1,500 19 and 20 touchdowns considering the situation. The situation of the quarterback position, okay? The inaccuracy at times.

what he does for you is what he did at Washington is he has such a big catch radius and those contested catch opportunities become like it was technically PFF 7733 he had 77% of his contested catch opportunities but you see even a little bit more out of him so so now with the I want you to take in the Cleveland Browns you're a Browns fan and you're hoping Shador's the guy. Deshaun Watson's still hanging out there, and looming is the 2027 NFL draft. And you've got Casey Concepcion.

You're talking about two perfect compliments with Jerry Judy. What do you see for Denzel Boston? If I'm a Brown's fan, what am I getting from Boston? That's my point with him, is that he allows everyone on that roster to slot into the right position. Jerry Judy's now the number two. It's a Z. Yeah.

You have your X in Boston, your Z and Judy, and your slot and Concepcion. As far as a player goes, there's a couple things that I want to mention here. I think he's a better route runner, and he does a little bit better job of separating than you do. And for a big guy, I think he moves really well. If I'm racking my brain here as to why he fell,

we kind of talked about this earlier in the process. Run the 40, man. His decision not to run the 40 at the Combine, his decision not to run the 40 at his pro day, I think ultimately probably cost him in terms of where he went. Now he still goes, listen, early second is good. He's a, that's a good

place to go as a player, but I think he had first round talent. If you're looking for reasons, that might be one of them. The chiefs are on the clock. I love that pick for Cleveland. I just want to, let's put a bow on it. I absolutely love that pick for Cleveland. They are doing everything right right now, by the way. Execute the plan on the first day. Trade back

and still get an offense attack. I promise you. I was just thinking that. Now they get another, now they take advantage of who falls to them on the board. They are off to a really strong side of the draft. And they did the same thing last year, which gave them this opportunity by moving back and getting Mason Graham with that first pick, collecting the additional first that just became Casey Concepcion, right? Yeah. And Travis Hunter will see how that all plays out, but rather than sticking and picking Travis Hunter, you move back and you get an additional pick, and now you have Mason Graham and Casey Concepcion. And I would ask Jaguars fans, would you rather have Mason Graham and Casey Concepcion? Or,

Travis Hunter. And it's what we'll see over time. But that's the cop. It's not one versus one. It's two versus one. And the good news of the Browns is they can't draft Dylan Gabriel twice. The Bengals are on the clock with the 10th pick of the second round because the ninth pick was just made by the Kansas City Chiefs. And the chiefs with this selection, right? After yesterday, after yesterday taking the cornerback, Mansour Delane, who you absolutely love, and then later in the first round taking Peter Woods,

they stick with the defensive side. Hey, nothing to see here, man. Patrick's going to be just fine. He's coming back. Offense is fine. We don't need weapons. We don't need a tight end. We're sticking defense for the third pick in a row for the chiefs

and taking R. Mason Thomas, a relentless, relentless edge rusher, undersized, but relentless. And he now, I mean, if you're Spaggnolla, one of the great, if not the top defensive coordinator in all the National Football League, and you're looking at this draft, it's reminiscent, reminiscent of, of the year after they drafted Mahomes when they had six picks and they took six defensive players. Like this is right away, they're attacking that side of the ball after letting a couple corners go in free agents. but let's take the folks through R. Mason Thomas. This is your guy. I don't want you cook. Our Mason Thomas, yes, is undersized, as I mentioned. He's 6'2 and a quarter. He's got shorter arms, 31 and 5 eighth inches.

Ran a 4-6, 740-yard dash, which is really, really good. In today's day and age, it's not exceptional. And his 10-yard splits over that number, which I wasn't pumped about. And quite honestly, the workout was part of the reason why I had to bring him back to the pack a little bit, right? Cassius Howell and Armason Thomas on tape, these undersized edge rushers, were two of the best in the entire draft class. When you watch Armason Thomas on tape, you see a guy who, A, the snap awareness and his ability to take off is unbelievable.

His toughness and mode, there's a play, there's a clip of him, not a clip, there's a play that I'm watching on tape, and he's chasing down from behind, from one side of the field to the other. just to save five yards at the end. And he, like, his life depends on it. His game is built on effort, takeoff burst, initial snap. Like, he's got this forward lean about him, and he gets a little snap. Then it's the moment of truth, though.

And we're going to find out in the league, without the longest arms, without that elite speed, is this ability that he is developed? Instinctively, toughness, motor, quick hands, tying it all together. Is that enough? Donovan Azariko is an example recently, right? The Colts got the UCLA kid, Lee, 2-2. Whatever, the last couple years,

we've seen a couple guys like this, and maybe it takes a year for them to develop into that. What's that? It's Latu-Lat-Tu-Lat-U, right? So Armason Thomas, can he get it done this year in a DPR role? That's going to be the question. But I want to remind people, too.

This is a young man whose production was absolutely exceptional. He had six and a half sacks, nine and a half tackles for loss, and he did it all. It was like nine games into the season when he had the return for a touchdown that flipped the game for Tennessee and basically got Oklahoma into the college football playoffs. He's that kind of impact player. And I think, I mean, the Chiefs, absolutely. Now in defensive tackle, an edge rusher, and a cornerback of those three picks,

this defense, you're going to have to buckle up. Yeah, maybe a better fit for them, too, than is Zion Young. I agree. You know what I mean? I like Zion Young a little bit more, but I'm not picking four specifically the Chiefs. Here's an interesting pick. And by interesting, I mean, I don't love it, to be honest with you. Christian Miller with the 10th pick of the second round goes to the New Orleans Saints.

Interior defensive linemen. I like Christian Miller. I don't, I'm cool with him not in this. second round, but certainly not the 10th pick of the second round. And certainly not when I'm looking at this board. And I've got,

I've got, I mean, I would have to pull up their positions. And obviously, it's specific to what they're looking for. But I didn't have, you know, I had interior defensive line down the road for them. Zion Young still available. They need a linebacker.

Jacob Rodriguez is available. Cassius Howell is available. Gabe Accus is available. But let's get into Christian Miller. He's an interior defensive lineman, right? From Georgia. I watched his tape the first go-around. Not like a full report, but just getting a feel for him early in the process.

And during the season, too, we did a breakdown of the Georgia defense and why this year's defense didn't feel like the recent years. and I thought he was solid in every regard but not great in any. He's a very, very good run stopper, right? I think his pass rush skills are mid at best. I don't see a lot of upside at all, to be honest with you. But every down, it's consistency, it's toughness motor. There's just not a lot.

His game is NFL built. He's going to be a really good run stopper, but am I getting more than like 30, 35 snaps out of him to stop the run? clearly that's what they're looking to get out of him, but I feel like it's a little rich to take him. Maybe you can throw a better spin on the 6 foot 3, 6 foot 4 almost, 321 pounder, who does have long 33-inch arms and 10-inch hands. I think you're betting on that a little bit.

I think you're betting on him. He hasn't maybe reached his potential versus a Lee Hunter from Texas Tech who has. I just think Lee Hunter has much better tape. Like it's hard for me to put a better spin on it. I mean, it's obviously a need for them. They're old a defensive tackle. this guy's going to come in and help them on their run defense. I get

all of that. I just think that we're getting into a place here now in the draft where there are players that I would prefer that over him going that early. I think Lee Hunter is an obvious pick for them. I think he does a lot of the same things, but I think he's more dynamic.

But this is how teams might view players. They're going to look at Lee Hunter and say he's kind of maybe tapped out. He didn't test as well as maybe some of the other guys did and they're not going to view him as highly because they think they can get more out of Kristen Miller. And I get it, man. Like Nathan Shepard and Devon, Godshaw, are your two defensive tackles.

And Godchow has been a really good player, but not high impact. Not special. You want to make sure that you're, you want to make sure that you're getting younger, cheaper, and stronger at that position. I get that part. I also get this in defense of it. And to your point, his pass rush win rate has improved. each of the last three years, and he was up to 11.

His pressure rate was, yeah, pass-or-st win rate was up to like 11.5 this past season. So he's a guy who is ascending in that regard. And quite honestly, they've drafted some players over the years along the defensive front that I thought were maybe they were a little high on, and it's worked out. So we'll see how that goes for the Saints. But the Saints now, let's look, the Saints in their situation,

With that pick, the 10th pick in the round, they take the interior defensive lineman, and in the first round they take Jordan Tyson for Tyler Shuck. So one side of the ball, each in the first two picks, they pick again at 73, and then not again until 132. So they've got one more pick tonight that we'll get to, assuming they don't trade back in from all the way out of 132. That would be a massive. That's a full round trade back in.

This pick is interesting, right? Miami, just best player available. For us, best player available would be a short list of Emmanuel McNeil Warren, Zion Young, and Jacob Rodriguez. Yep. Get one of them. Just get one of those guys. And so far, I've been impressed with what Miami is done. John Eric Sullivan, you recognize that 12, you better get your offensive tackle.

And they did that in Caden Proctor. And yes, his tape is a little up and down. and yes, his tape had, you could see times where he was 390 pounds, and then he's down to 350 pounds, and he's a damn better football player when he's 350 pounds, and we all know that, and he's a damn good football player when he is. So there's all that to consider, and then Miami also with that later in the first round, they trade up just a little bit and get a player that we absolutely love in Chris Johnson at Corner. So they recognize where the tackle run was going to go,

and they took the best tackle on the board. appreciate that. They recognized where the cornerback was going to, board was going to start to flow late in the first before the early second. They took our favorite player at that position outside of obviously the number one corner of Mansour Delane. And here in the second round,

they take one of the league's favorite players, to be honest with you, Jacob Rodriguez. I like that pick a lot. I'll start with Jacob Roder. This is not your favorite pick. Let's go back to the senior ball, because after a season of peanut punches, creating turnovers, intercept,

big play moments and big games. We saw the exact same thing at the senior ball. It's hard as a linebacker to stand out. We saw Kyle Lewis from Pitt standout. We saw Jacob Rodriguez standout, and both of them were turning the football over. What is Rodriguez do? He is

instinctive in coverage. He is instinctive at the tackle point. He is going to, and he honestly, he's one of the best leaders that you're looking for on the defensive side. This guy is matured, he's married. You know the story about his wife and the military and everything they've been through.

And the intangibles are at a different level. He's the only FBS player since 2005 to have recorded at least 300 career tackles, 10 fourth fumbles, five interceptions, and five fumble recoveries. Do you understand what kind of playmaker that Miami just brought in? Yeah. I think, look, it's interesting because they get kids. Caden Proctor, who had some questions about, is he conditioning the right way, is eating the right way? The two guys they get on defense?

There is a trade, and we don't have the pick yet, but just to let everyone know, there's a trade that the lions are moving up into that jet spot. So the Jets had to give away a pick to move up. Now they're moving back, maneuvering the board. Darren Mugi, the GM is doing a nice job. Detroit is moving up here. We'll get to that pick in just a minute. Keep going with Rodriguez to Miami. So what they've done on the defensive side of the ball is added to very smart, to great leaders, to very smart players, to great leaders.

They are changing the culture of their defense by taking Chris Johnson the corner from San Diego State and then Jacob Rodriguez from Texas Tech. The violence and timing of Rodriguez punch when he's going after the ball is outrageous. He just has a knack for it, unlike any other player I have evaluated in college. The one knock I have on him is he misses a lot of tackles. He does. He's flying around. 42 tackles missed the last two seasons. He's always around the ball.

And I love the player. One of the reasons I thought that this was early and maybe some of the first round talk was a little too early was the missed tackles. But you're getting a smart player. You're getting a guy who's going to be great in the locker room. He's going to be the dot linebacker for them. He's going to be calling all the calls. I'm sure of that. And I think it kind of sealed the deal, man.

The senior bowl was great, but when he went to the combine, and he had a 38-inch vertical jump showing that lower body explosion in that frame, which is a good solid frame. It's 6-1, 3-8s, 231. It's your will-linebacker frame. But then to do the 10-1 broad jump, most importantly, he ran a 457. And I think that people were maybe a little concerned as he have that speed. No, not the 457. I forgot. The 20 shuttle and the three cone were the best in three years.

That was the difference. A 419 short shuttle and a 6-9-3 cone were best in three years of the combine from the linebacker position. While we have our first really surprising pick for me. Not for me. You had Derek Moore as the 34th best player in this draft. No, it was a 44th best player. I thought he was in that range. I told you.

Okay. By all means, because Detroit and I have a great deal of respect for Brad Holmes. I took great pride in backing Brad Holmes when he took a running back, a tight end, and a linebacker with his first three picks just a few years ago as we were sitting there in, was it Kansas City? Yeah, it was Kansas City for the draft. Yeah. I thought he did a sensational job that year, and he continues to.

this pick, I'm not, it's not my favorite. Let's put it that way. Yeah, I guess I should apologize for liking a Michigan Edge who's 6 foot 4, 255 pounds with 33 and 3-h inch arms and was productive. Yeah, but he played his arm length. Cassius Howell played with longer arms on the tape I watch. I just didn't think Derek Moore was that impactful. I thought he was like steady and good and, yeah, long-arm guy and I can see the power.

I just don't see a guy who's a difference maker. as a pass rusher. So you didn't see the guy who ranked just behind David Bailey and Akeem Messador as the highest win rate as a pass rusher? Yeah, sure. This is, this is, I keep on harping on this, and this is why a Cassius Howl might go later

because his tape is better. These are guys that translate to the NFL. It is power, it is length. You have to have, you don't have to be the biggest guy, but 250, 255 pounds is going to help at the next level. And when you look at his length, maybe he doesn't use it the best,

every time. But he has it, and when he does use it, it looks great. He can get into guys' frames. He can push them around. He's got some powers as an edge rusher. I would not advocate for taking this guy in the first round, but now we're getting to the middle of the second round. We're talking, we're just talking about a guy I think has been a little undervalued. Well, I think the Baltimore Ravens are on the clock, and I'm counting on them to make a better pick at the edge position because that's what they need. I'm not killing it. Like, I had him in 73 overall.

Yeah, you had a second round. And you thought he should be a little, you thought he should be higher. And you, honestly, you honestly, had a second round grade on them. I told you how much I liked them. Okay.

All right. Wait, dude. Really? Trying to call me out like that. Come on. No, no, I love this conversation. Yeah. I love this conversation.

I, like, I did, I, I went through all the edge rushers and stacked him. Brad Holmes is a really good GM and he's backing you. Anything, like, I'm getting called out by Brad Holmes and you. So I'm cool with that. What's fascinating to me about this conversation is that I feel like as we evolve as evaluators, sometimes the script gets flipped. And I would have been a guy who was pushing for the Cassius Howells and the R. Mason

Thomases of the world 10 years ago. And you would have called me on the phone and been like, man, I get it. You would have understood and been reasonable. about it, but you're like, it's still a height, weight speed league. You would have told me that over and over again. There's still these, the outliers, man, the outliers are tough. They don't, like, the league does not favor outliers because they're outliers for a reason, and they generally don't work out. Yeah, I mean, and the need is absolutely there. There's no question about it. And I get it that you see more pass rush upside and Derek more than I do, and clearly Brad

Holmes does. DJ Wanham is not your answer. He hit 10 sacks in the Big Ten last year. Okay. Circle this moment, folks, because if Derek Moore becomes that guy, another Michigan edge going opposite Aiden Hutchinson and Detroit, then I will eat it for as long as I need to eat this one. But I just, and again, we're talking 30 picks later. I've got them a round difference. It's not huge. It's not like I had them day three, but I just this high with the players that are still on the board.

And one of those players, one of those players is a player that I have ranked. 35th overall, who I see a little bit more pass rush upside in, even though his production wasn't nearly as good in college. And that's Zion Young. Yeah. And the Baltimore Ravens are sitting there. 30, what is it now? 40, the 14th pick, the 13th pick of the second round.

The 45th pick, thanks for the math, tuck. And that's a player I think should be the choice there. They also have opportunities. I think a safety would make a lot of sense with Emmanuel McNeill Warren. They've had one pick so far. Correct me if I'm wrong, and that was the offensive guard. Baltimore did. Venga Juane, coming out of Penn State.

Wide receiver is still a position of need. The top guy came off the board there, and Dejohn Stripling came off the board. I'm cool with the receivers for a minute. I'm going to be honest with you. We'll get to Jeremy Bernard in a little while. We'll get to Chris Bell and Antonio Williams. I think now this run is a. about edge, cornerback, linebacker, and then Emmanuel McNeill Warren at safety.

That's what this run is all about. You're going to see a lot of those three positions coming off the board in the next 10-plus picks, okay? There it is. Zion Young. Great pick. Great pick. Should have been a pick earlier.

Let it go. No, I love it. I love it. This guy should not have lasted that long. I mean, I could sit behind Derek Moore and say that this. I mean, I'm looking at some of the edges that have already come off the board. I'm like, how? Like, how?

How? Zion Young is an absolute certified lunatic, and I love that about him. And I mean that in the greatest possible way. Watch him at the Senior Bowl. First of all, you don't have to be a super sleuth or a super scout to figure out, like, the long arms and the build of this guy. It's 6 foot 6, 262 pounds, 33-inch arm length. He, yes, six and a half sacks last year. It's not exceptional, but he had 15 and a half tackles for loss, 42 tackles,

forced two fumbles. When I watch this guy on tape, it's an absolute lunatic of anger and frustration, and it's all bottled up in fast, vicious, violent play. And he plays the NFL game. Like, I get it. You're a Derek Moore guy, but this is what Derek Moore should look like. But honestly, like, and there are some other guys in terms, now his pass rush development is not there.

But Zion Young in terms of like the get off, the explosion into pads, the one arm walking back, the fighting through blocks, the ability to work off of blocks and go make plays versus the run. He, like, he's got this Euro step. He's got some different moves, but he's got to now tie them together and have a plan. Okay?

His hands aren't great. That was the big thing. He's got smaller hands, nine and a half. I don't think that's the reason why. Hand-to-hand combat, if you can get that figured out with Zion Young, who now goes to Baltimore, and by the way, pretty good guy at Kyle Van Nuoy. Yeah. If he's back there, which I assume he's going to be, to learn under one of the all-time pass-rush artists.

Kyle Van Nuoy is a pass-rush artist. Okay? And now Zion Young gets to be in the same D-Line room with him and practice every single day. And hey, come here. Remember, like, Magna walking through the old, like, you know? It's going to be all day long. Thanks for reminding me about that. It was great.

So, in his run, like, his run-win rate was 9.3, the best among the edge prospects in this class. So the Baltimore Ravens right away with Zion Young get an elite run defender. and a guy whose development can be there as a pass rusher. I love the pick. And don't forget, they, Mike Green in the second round last year. Yeah.

Could take the next step. Yep. And obviously they're bringing Trey Hendricksson. So, like, now this Ravens defense is starting to look like a Ravens defense again. This was a priority. A massive priority. And so they've attacked it. So hats off to the gang down in Baltimore in the she crab soup.

What is it? The blue crab soup? Blue Crab suit. Blue Crab suit. Yeah, Eric Dacosta is running a good show there and took it over for Ozzie Newsom and continues to do a great job. All right, what do we got next?

We've got. Oh, pick is in. Tampa Bay. Buccaneers. Ooh, this is a reach. This is a major. Major. This is...

This is... So the Bucs... The Colts just traded the next pick, the 16th pick of the second round. which is smart. They don't have a lot of picks, obviously. The reason was they obviously made the trade for the cornerback this season, lost their first round pick.

But the Indianapolis Colts are making a trade in Pittsburgh's moving up. You can see the terrible towel is going. But we can't glaze over the fact that Jeremiah Trotter, who I'm fine within the third. I think we landed with the fourth round grade. winds up going, pick 14 of the second round. What do you got to say, Mitch? You're losing a first ballot Hall of Famer in Levanti, David,

who we both love coming out of college. Shout out Levanti David. I don't think people realize how good career he had. That being said, Josiah Trotter is not that player. He is a thumper. He is a physical between the tackles, take on blocks, slip under blocks a little bit. He's aggressive, which he can get caught out of his gap every once in a while.

He's young, too. so maybe they're seeing this player that could develop. I don't see great speed on tape. I don't see great cover skills on tape. And that's why this is a player that I would think would be later in the draft. I think early fourth round, late third round is a better spot for this player. Yeah, I couldn't agree more. Clearly for Tampa Bay, it's an emphasis on getting their defensive front seven right.

After what was honestly, it was embarrassing. like Tate McShay is a massive Buccaneers fan. So I watch a lot more on a given Sunday with the Buccaneers than I do. I wonder how that happened. Brady and then but now it is we're all in. We're all in. But so now we have an up and down draft for the Bucks. They get Ruben Bain Jr. somehow falls on them at 15.

And now I think they reach on their replacement for Lavante, David. Yeah, I don't totally disagree. but yes, they do. They do. And they brought in Alex Anzolone as one of the linebackers. We knew they were going to take a linebacker, but this is not the guy

where we thought they were going to take him. You could have... Let me pull this up. This is the problem. I probably shouldn't get as frustrated as I do, but when you do this for a living year-round, it gets frustrating, like, not knowing the board. Easy money you get him at 77.

And if you don't, there are other linebackers to get that are kind of a similar mold. And there are a lot of talented corners here. So we don't love the pick and we don't have to beat it to death. No. Do love this next pick, though. Jeremy Bernard. And trade it up four. So the Rams are in trouble if they want Dejohn Stripling or Jeremy Bernard in the second round.

Those are the two guys that fit. There are other guys who find. Hey, I don't care. They got Ty Simpson. The deduction, but I'm not allowed to do it. Do any more victory lapses, you and Bill Simmons reminded me. Why don't you start with Jeremy Bernard? Because he was my guy at first, and then you were carrying,

you were making sure that I didn't come off of him. Go ahead. I lovingly call this man's game boring. And why do I call boring? Because he gets open, he catches the football, and he gets upfield and he makes plays. He's so bad after the catch that Alabama liked to get him involved in the running game. It makes zero sense to me. He ran in the four-fours.

So that's correct. Do you have his time right there? He ran a 4-4-8, 4-8, which, actually kind of surprised me. Which people, for some reason, people think is slow. This guy checks every box in terms of being a good receiver. Not a great receiver, but a good receiver. He gets open, catches the ball, productive after the catch.

I don't, like, I think we're overthinking it with Jeremy Bernard for way too long now. This is, I'm glad he went here. I think this is the appropriate spot for him for him. I think people thought he might slip into the third round. Really good player. Obviously, they felt the same way because they chaired up to get him. Here's what I do know. If you're going to bring in a rookie wide receiver with that quarterback, assuming Aaron Rogers is back, this guy better know his shit.

Yep. He better be ready to be a pro immediately, and Jeremy Bernard is the most know-his shit wide receiver in this entire draft. Like, you want to talk about consistency and being where you're supposed to be and option routes knowing, read this, get here, understanding soft spots and zoned. He is not your guy who's going to go despite a 671 three cone, which was exceptional, but also shows like the body control and the ability to redirect and change directions after the catch, which is what he excels at. But this is a guy who you can absolutely count on. Yes.

In every situation. He's a pro. He's a pro already, and now he becomes officially a pro for the Pittsburgh Steelers. I don't know. I just, the skeptics point to some like yards per route run, one of the, point seven one last season and 2.16 in 2024, fine. Yeah. Have it.

This guy will catch and after the catch, break a tackle and then we'll make a guy, he's not the guy. No. But he's going to weave with vision. I think he's a perfect Pittsburgh Steeler, and I think he's perfect if Aaron Rogers comes back. If you were to draft a, if you said Todd, you get one wide receiver for Aaron Rogers that won't by mid-season be a fifth on the depth chart.

and won't be basically allowed on the field on Sundays. Who would it be? Jeremy Bernard. Yeah. And so they got the right guy here. And now they have, you have, where's Bernard great working out of? Just a lot. Yeah, yeah.

You got D.K. McHaff. And you have Michael Pittman, who you traded for. This receiving core should be, I don't even know how many times better. It complements one another. It's significantly better than what they had last year. And if you're trying to get Aaron Rogers to come back, I think this would be a pick he would be intrigued by. Yeah, I don't think Aaron Rogers is going to look at any rookie-d-off receiver.

And now I'm coming back. But I hear you. I hear you. Yeah, I'd like to take a look at our board when we get in the next few minutes if we have a chance of the updated board just to see. Because it's moved, despite a couple guys coming off earlier at 73, with Derek Moore, 65 with Christian Miller, the exception. Like, it's stacking pretty good.

The way I see it now, we've got Atlanta on the clock, right? Atlanta's sitting on the clock. This is their first pick. So let's give Atlanta a little bit of a treatment here for Falcons fans who have been hanging around for the draft, getting excited about what's to come. They need an interior defensive lineman. Thank you, Tucker. Thank you, Dan. Here's our best available.

Jamad McCoy, they're still there. It could be 30 more picks. We know the reason. There's nothing shocking there. He's just so talented that we. We've got to keep them in consideration, okay? Emmanuel McNeill Warren, the safety that is not necessarily a need, but this certainly would be a value for the Atlanta Falcons.

I'll tell you what is a need, a linebacker. You get Jake Galday sitting there. You get C.J. Allen sitting there. Both of those guys kind of feel like Atlanta Falcons. It's obviously CJ from the local guy. Then you've got interior defensive line. And I don't know if there's anyone that was on that board I didn't see. Lee Hunter

and then wide receiver and edge are the other positions that I think the Falcons could be looking

for. Their wide receiver group it's interesting right because you look at the falcons yeah they get

Drake London they're they got a good tight end and Kyle Pitts right but but Drake London's got

what Jahan Dotson yep and and and Zakias right yeah

Dotson Zakias come in as free agents. They combined for 57 catches last year, bud. Yeah. This is not the answer. But they go cornerbacked the Atlanta Falcons to. Avion Terrell. What?

Little brother of AJ Terrell. Very good point. I love it. It's all in the family, man. It's all in the family. And I'm guessing Aviontrell because he doesn't have that big frame will end up playing in the nickel for them. But man, this is a talented player.

But go ahead. Yeah, this is a talented player. who really flashes on tape. Some thought he could be a first-round guy. I think he can. Do you think he played a real-in-old? Well, he ran a 4-6 at his pro-day, but his hamstring was injured. Thank you.

So NFL teams had to go back and really study the miles per hour. And they had him clocked as a low-to-mid-4-4-guy, based off the analytics and the numbers from the... That's what I see on tape. I absolutely see a low 4-4-5. Speed was never a problem with him. The question was, with 31-inch arms, average, 5, 10, and 3 quarters below average,

186 pounds below average as primarily an outside corner at Clemson. And a damn good one. But there were some ups and downs like all of these corners, but a really talented cover guy on the outside, at that size, you usually play him on the inside. Well, he's not the most physical guy in support.

And it's a grown man's game inside when you're playing that nickel. There's a lot more traffic to sift through. There's a lot more physicality. There are some matchups you don't like against big slots. So that's the question on Terrell, not necessarily even the 40 speed. But this is a guy who can play. I liked him.

I like the 39 career games. I like the fact that you can turn him loose. He's got a few sacks. He flies around the field, but I just don't know the strength and the physicality. That's why he's here in the second round. But it's a great fit in Atlanta. Do you want to... Vikings and Panthers just traded.

So just flopping picks from 17 to 19. The Vikings go from 17 to 19. Carolina comes up to 17. I'll ponder on that, but if there's anything more on Terrell that you want to mention, go ahead. I just think that you mean, you look at the situation. Who's going to know better about the character of this kid? And you already have the older brother on the roster. You've got to feel for what that family's like.

You have a feel for what the little brother's going to be like. I love the pick. And I think this is an example of a team taking advantage. of a poor number, of a poor testing number of maybe Tyrell, maybe, I don't know, maybe he dropped because of that bad 40 time. But how about the kid going out and competing with a bad hamstring? I think you get some credit for that. I think he can play in the nickel.

I understand Todd's concerns about the physicality. You're not wrong. It is a smaller frame. Can he hold up there? I get all that. I believe that he can, though. And I do want to point out a really nice job by Ian Cunningham in his first time as,

we'll call it general manager because Matt Ryan is kind of overseeing things but Ian Cunningham who like we've known him forever with Joe Douglas and the Witals in Baltimore and he's moved up

and he's been Chicago and Philly he's done it the right way and this is the first time he gets to essentially call the shots and one thing you learn in this industry if you're learning from the right people is kind of how the board rolls and they know we can get a receiver in the third round Atlanta can't

at 79. We can get an interior defensive lineman, quite frankly, in the third round this year. It's a weird class where they're backloaded. Right. We better get our corner now, though, before they run out. And this is a defense that I've got with five interceptions last year from cornerbacks. Three of them were from D. Alford. Okay? And he's no longer with the team. So there's two interceptions of the cornerback position currently on that roster.

And Atlanta allowed eight touchdown passes last season on throws of 20 yards and deeper down the field. So cornerback, and then second. in general had to be addressed. This is the spot to do it. Now, the 17th pick Carolina trades up for, with Minnesota. They made that swap, trade up for a guy that you love and you've been planting your flag on and you don't care about the combine number, the hideous vertical jump. 21 inches.

The fact, he's a different cat and he's not everyone's flavor. But this guy, his tape against Oregon and several other games that Mench watched. And watching him at the Senior Bowl, he was the best interior defensive lineman there. Take it away on Lee Hunter. This is a player I know from Texas Tech that you absolutely love. Yeah, he's not going to win any done contests, unfortunately. So I guess we shouldn't draft him. I guess we just shouldn't draft him because he's an interior defensive lineman who doesn't jump well.

Look at the tape. Look at the production. Todd talks about... Stop pounding the table. Tucker's going to yell at. How do I not get yelled at, by the way, Tucker? You're just nice to do. Because you're mensch, and Mench does nothing wrong.

I think you guys. you're doing great. Let me just say this about the tape. Todd mentioned earlier instinctive interior defensive lineman. I used to laugh at him and not understand what that meant. And then you watch guys like Kate McDonald and you watch guys like Lee Hunter who have

just an ability to locate the ball shed in the proper direction and make plays. And this is what this guy does. And no, he's never going to be an elite pass rusher like some of the other interior guys in league, but he can be disruptive in that sense, despite what the testing tells you. Dude, just

makes plays. He just is a good football player who is productive can hold up against the run, can get off blocks, can make plays in the backfield, and can give you a little bit as a pass rusher. It's not going to be great, but a little bit there. You're talking about this point in the second round, Dan Morgan, general

manager for Carolina, our guy, I think he's cooking. I think it's a great book. Yeah, and again, I think Dan Morgan is doing a really nice job yet to get him, understanding where, just like I said, with Ian Cunningham. I had to get an offensive tackle because of uncertainty with Iki Aquano.

Yep. And the right tackle position. Like, I need to bring in another offensive tackle. I can only get one of those in the first round, right? Then in the second round, I can get my tight end need. If I didn't get one of those, and people are probably saying Eli Stowers. What about Eli Stowers? He was awesome at the Combine, and he was so productive at Vanderbilt.

I totally agree. Really good player. Teams are viewing him a little bit of. as a slot receiver, but the reason why he may not go as early, which I'd think this is about the spot where we'd say he should go, right? Right.

And Carolina has a tight end need. In our opinion, when you look at their tight ends, right? It's not even if they have a need. I think they want a difference maker there. They've gotten a couple guys. They have bodies. I think they want a difference maker and a guy that can really give them some speed like the stowers. The average target for the

Panthers' tight end was 4.2 yards last year. That's what I mean. They need a guy who can threaten. Yeah. And so, like, They had fewer receiving yards from their tight-end position. Only two teams had fewer, the jets and the bucks, receiving yards from their tight-end position. So it's absolutely a need to get a difference maker, and Stowers is sitting there.

So if I'm a Panthers fan watching this, I'm like, yo, why not Stowers? My answer to you is there's some concern about the knee injury, and so if he starts to slip a little bit, it's going to be because of this knee injury that I've been aware of and didn't want to make into a massive thing, but we have mentioned it prior to the. the draft. And I don't think it's a massive deal, but for some teams, it's enough to say,

you know what, there are 28 tight ends draft at the Combine this year. Only one has gone the first round. We don't get Stowers here. He'll probably be gone the next time we pick, which is at 83. But we get into the third day with picks 119, 158, 159, 200, where there's literally going to be, I don't know, maybe three or four go late third. round. So the very worst is 23 tight ends that were at the combine. Maybe we'll choose from one of those probably early on day three.

So with all that said, you take the interior defensive lineman here because, yeah, you'd like to get a receiver, I can get that in the third. I can get a tight end in the fourth. I mean, it's just following a plan that I appreciate from certain teams and I can see the reasoning behind what they're doing here. Yeah, I mean, we had them 49th

on our board and I think that's a great, so the value matches up for what they're doing. All right, so the Jets are back on the clock. The Jets had three picks yesterday. David Bailey at number two. Kenyon Sadiq at pick 16, which they didn't wind up trading, despite a lot of teams trying to move up to get an offensive tackle.

And then Omar Cooper Jr., they moved back in to round one to get. Sensational day. There's a lot of building that's got to go on here. But if you tell me, you get the best, most proven pass rusher, the best tight end, who runs into the four threes. and one of the best five wide receivers in this class, I'm like, yeah, let's roll, man. We're off to a good start. My guess is here, it's kind of flip-flop.

Let's go defense. Let's go offense. Let's go offense. Maybe we go back to the defensive side here. Both sides need an awful lot. Remember, the Jets have three picks a year from now. Three picks in the first round. Hopefully they don't have to use them all to get their quarterback,

but maybe they do. Yeah. Or maybe, you know, so maybe they've got to use two of them. But the point is today, this is now the fourth pick that they'll make, and they don't make another pick unless they wouldn't have received anything in the third round. So they don't pick again until Saturday, the third day of the draft, when they still have a handful of picks, five or so picks on day two, because I know they've done some moving around, so I don't want to pin myself down to that.

DeAngelo Ponds. Your guy. the cornerback out of Indiana. I mean... Do you want to go first? Of course I want to go first, but I just was hoping you'd give me like an apology that he's off the board right where we thought he would be.

45th player overall? What pick is this? It is 51. So you're right. No, he was 50. He got right into the top 50. He made it. Yeah.

All right. DeAngelo Ponce. Started 26 games for Indiana over the past two years, okay? 10 games for James Madison in 2023. That's after that year. Signetti was like, come with me, young man. I've got a plan for you in the Big Ten. And he comes in and he takes the Big Ten by storm.

This is the toughest 5'8th of an inch, 182 pound, 29 and 3 eighths inch of an arm length wielding son of a gun that the college football in the NFL draft have seen since Antoine Winfield senior. That's who this dude is. I'm telling you give me Denzel Boston. Sure, I got him. Give me Jeremiah Smith. Yeah, I got him. Give me Carnell-Tate.

Yep, I got him. Go ahead. Shake your head. I mean, Jeremiah Smith back and forth, but he was competitive in that matchup. Who's going to be the number one player drafted in next year's draft that's not a quarterback? He, I just love, when you look at all of his

snaps, he's played wide corner, and he's He's only played slot corner, and now the Jets are going to have to make a decision. Can he play out wide at that size? And I can't wait to see how that decision is made. I think you've got to start him there. He started 41 games in his career. He had two picks this last season. He had 60.

You got to start him where? I'm playing them on the outside. Okay. I'm playing on the outside. I don't hate that. Until I'm proven wrong. I was told he ran in the 4-4s working out in training, didn't wind up working, didn't wind up running. I think he did run in the...

He ran a blazing fast. He ran a four threes. That's right. He wound up running in the four threes. He was even better than the four. I heard low four fours for him. And I was like, oh, great. He ran the four threes.

Didn't run at the combine. That's what it was. I mean, he was so important to this defense, man, and his ability to play in the outside. And what he did for, and everyone talked about Mendoza. He was the Mendoza factor on the defensive side for Indiana. Yeah, I mean, there was some,

Aiden Fisher was a guy. Yeah, they're all guys. They're all really good guys. And versatile, they're all this stuff. He's the guy that played on the outside, took away your number one wide receiver. Indiana's never had a guy like this. No. So, go ahead.

Everything you just said. Yep. 100% true. Yep. Even the matchups with the bigger receivers. 100% true. They've got big dudes, too. They get their Nashon rights and their Minka Fitzpatrick's and their Brandon Stevens.

Their six twos and six threes and six four trees. Can I say something? Now they find they have a guy who can cover. Yeah. We'll see how this were. I am fascinated by what happens with this kid's career because the tape and the production and the intangibles check every single box.

The frame does not. And what I worry about these corners in today's game in the NFL. You talked about all these other corners that were smaller, Antoine Winfield Senior, Dre Bly, Ronde Barber. These are guys that are stud corners. We haven't seen this in a while.

And I think one of the reasons is DeAngelo Pond is so physical and tough. And you can get away with it in college. I get it. I don't know if you're getting away within the league like you did in college, man. And he's not, it's not egregious, but I'm interested to see how they call his game and whether or not they let him compete. Because him matching up with bigger receivers isn't a problem from he is going to get tree topped and these guys are going to push him around. That's not really going to happen. But what's going to happen is he's got to be tough and physical to do that and whether or not they flag him for that. I don't know. I'll take his 43-inch vertical

covering some of these bigger receivers, the best in the combine in the cornerback position in the last three years. All right, let's move on. Jake Galday. Oh, and his seven interceptions and 31 pass breaks. He's an unbelievable player, and the frame scares the hell of it. Jake Galdi is the pick for Minnesota. This has a Vikings feel, doesn't it? Jake Galdi? It kind of does,

actually. All day, Galday? Go ahead. This is a guy you've been talking a lot about. You know, it's interesting when you watch him on the tape that he plays over the slot of fair amount. This is a, and why I bring that up is because he also has the ability to rush off the edge. This is a very versatile

linebacker. It's 6.4.5, 239 pounds. I mentioned the height. I think that's a great asset for him in terms of being able to look into the backfield, locate, track the ball. Then you add 4-6-2 speed. Very good speed, not a leap, but very good speed. Motor, sideline to sideline,

run defender. He's got some instincts and coverage. This is a player that I think could have gone a little earlier and is ready to make an immediate impact on the NFL. Yeah. There's no question. I just, I question, like, the linebacker need at this spot. Listen, the Vikings are taking best player available, I guess.

I guess that's, that's going, if that's their thing, I'm curious to see, and they've got Blake Cashman, Andrew Van Ginkle, sorry, Eric Wilson. I mean, yeah, they don't have, I just think that, like, there are other positions. that the Vikings could have gone. I agree with that. There are other positions. That's why I'm kind of stuttering through it

because I just felt like they could go in a different position. The value's there, but it's not as if it was a player that has been on the board, like the Denzel Boston who's on the board for, in our opinion, like 10 picks or so. But yeah, so that's what the Vikings wind up doing after getting Caleb Beck. It's just an...

They fire their general manager, right? Right. Is this an overcorrection? Do you feel like it's an overcorrection? I don't know what this is. Because Caleb Banks, you could have gotten at this pick maybe in the second round. I agree. And if you didn't, that's fine, too, because what are we getting out of him?

But my gosh, if you hit on him, it's fantastic. Brian Flores now gets two of these picks, right? And I get that. But I don't really want to walk into the season with Ty Felton is my number three receiver. And hopefully we'll get one in the pick 82 or 97. I think the safety position is one you're going to have to probably deal with, with the unknown factor of Harrison Smith, right? Definitely.

And I'm looking, and I get, Emmanuel McNeil Warren is there, unless there's some durability stuff that we weren't aware of. He's sitting there. I just am not thrilled with the management of the Vikings draft at this point. That would be my biggest takeaway. But Golda's going to be a damn good football player, and he's going to be one inside of this Brian Flores defense. And Caleb Banks, and I've read some of the world's greatest doctors in the Minnesota area,

I get all that. And if they get him right and get him to play consistently with his pad level down and be hungry on every down, if they can get that all out of him with the two foot injuries at 336 pounds, if they can get all that out of them, it's going to be a grand slam. It's going to be a four guy, three guys on base, four runs. slam. But there's a lot of ifs there. And then this pick here, which is fine value, but it's I don't know. We'll see. We'll see. It's a new regime, so I'm just kind of getting my bearings with what the Vikings are doing. Next pick is, let's see. I guess that's it. No, no, Brandon

Cese, Cese, the cornerback from South Carolina. If you haven't watched this, guy, man. He is flat out talented. He is flat out talent. Go ahead. No, I think this is the appropriate spot for him because I think you're right. The talent is there. I mean, you look at our breakdown on the ringer.com slash McShay. Check it out, please. Oh, yeah. Check out our draft guide and our reports.

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But we got an interesting pick here, and Brandon C-Said, that I think is actually an awesome fit for Green Bay. I think it's a good value right here. I don't want to overblow it and why I don't want to overblow it is because I get it. He's a little bit of a development guy that I think has some upside as a press corner. He runs well. There's some flashes on tape that get you really excited.

My concern with him is he had shorter arms than you kind of expected for a six-foot corner. He doesn't, he didn't make a lot of plays in college. He has small hands. He only had two picks in college. And I think his instincts are a little, there's some stuff on tape. You're like, I don't know if he's seeing or reading that as well as you would want him to read. But this was a player that was considered in the late first round mix at some point because of the tools. And he does have the tools to become a starting corner.

He could be a starting corner in the NFL. So if they're able to get that out of him, it ends up being a great pick at this point. Looks like McAfee. There's a little risk here, though. McAfee's losing his mind on the coverage, which is to be expected. I don't know that there's any risk here.

This is the cornerback run. You're the Green Bay Packers. Yeah, at this point, maybe. You know what I mean? I hear you, but I don't know that there's risk here. I think, like, if you don't get Brandon Cesey, then who are you getting, right? Yeah.

And there's a pretty significant drop-off at the cornerback. We told you this is going to be about the linebackers, cornerbacks, and edges. And if you look at the last bunch of picks, what has it been? It has been linebackers, cornerbacks, and edges. And so now it's a case of musical chairs. Because go back to pick 43, and even before that, the whole round, really, T.J. Parker's an edge going to Buffalo at 35. Colton Hood, the cornerback, going the Giants at 37.

Trayton Stokes, who's a nickel safety, but he's essentially a nickel corner, right? Going 38 to the Raiders. Mason Thomas is an edge going 40 to the Chiefs. Cassius Howell, Edge, going to, going at 40. Do we even cover that? The Bengals, right? Christian Miller, that's an interior defense. Yeah, we talked about the interior defensive linemen as well.

but the linebackers, right? Jacob Rodriguez at 43. Derek Moore's an edge going at 44 to Detroit. Zion Young's an edge. Linebacker. Josiah Trotter. So the league knows if you want to get a corner, an edge, or linebacker, this is it, man. Yeah.

How many offensive players, now that we are sitting here with C.J. Allen, the next linebacker, going to Indianapolis, right, at the 21st pick of the second round, C.J. Allen, who Bill Simmons is devastating. He was expecting that to be a New England Patriot. How many offensive players? This is wild, man. Jeremy Bernard, the wide receiver, went 47 overall to Pittsburgh. Boston went.

Denzel Boston went. And Chase Basantis went. I think that's it. Wow. As we're 21 picks. We told you, it's going to be corners, linebackers, and edge rushers. And all but 18 of the 21 picks. in this round have been on the defensive side.

Take the folks through C.J. Allen for a little bit. I think you liked them a little bit more than I did. I like him. He's a good player. I think this is about the... You know what? I didn't like C.J. Allen when people were saying late first. I'm thrilled with C.J. Allen here to the Indianapolis Colts.

The Colts would give a lot of credit here to our guy. Chris Ballard, GM. Moves back. No, but he does... He was teetering on the edge of... losing all the linebackers. This is their number one need coming into the draft. And now they get CJ Allen, but he also moves back and gets a little

additional compensation to do so in a draft where they didn't have a first round pick. How can you not like CJ Allen when you're such a big fan of Nacobie Dean, another Georgia linebacker comes out and doesn't have great size, doesn't have great length, doesn't have great speed, but then

you throw on the tape and what does a guy do again makes plays. And he, for a guy who's 230 pounds, he is an absolute Eli Stowers just came off the board to Philly. We'll get to that pick in just a minute. That's a huge pick for Howie Roseman and the Philadelphia Eagles. Go ahead.

And we also have a trade coming in. So things are starting to move. We knew this is going to happen. This is the portion where things are going to happen fast. We're going to rock and roll with it. We're fired up. Mention is talking about C.J. Allen. We'll come back to Eli Stowers.

The tight end was just drafted out of Vanderbilt to Philadelphia. And the Patriots move up. Simmons was hoping it was two picks earlier for Allen. The Patriots move up to pick 23 in this second round, which is the 55th overall pick. So they made a significant move up, and we'll talk about that in a minute. Go ahead.

CJ Allen, one of the better tacklers in this class, instinctive, strong and violent for his size. He's okay in coverage. He's a guy who's going to get a lot of depth. He's going to read the quarterback. He's going to keep things in front of him. He's not going to be great in man coverage. He has some limitations there.

Underrated, is a pass rusher. This guy is a violent pass rusher who can slip some blocks, has good timing, has a good feel for how to work offensive linemen, how to attack protections. I think he's one of those players you're going to look at and be like, oh, he's not big

enough, he's not fast enough. He's just instinctive. He tackles well, and he can get after the quarterback a little bit. Yeah, he's a starter. And he's going to walk in, he's going to start. And then, like, Akim, Davis Gay, there came in in. He's a starter. and that's exactly what they need.

So it was a really good job by Ballard there, moving back, getting the guy they wanted. Eli Stowers, I love this pick for the Eagles. I wondered if the Eagles, when they went Jehad Campbell last year. Right. If they were going to try to move up to get one of the tight ends. It feels like the Eagles have had a contract dispute going on with Dallas Goddard for four years now.

But it's really been kind of two years. They just tagged him again, right? I believe. Yeah, I mean, I don't know, actually. I don't know. Okay. So, but they don't have the long-term answer at that position. But they also are losing, and I want you to keep this in mind, they're losing A.J. Brown

to the New England Patriots. That's a deal that is the worst kept secret in the league. And so June 1st, that's going to wind up happening. I view this as a kind of a combination of we can utilize them because most teams are looking at Eli Stowers. We talked to you, Phil here, because of mild

concern about knee. But you know what? Jehad Campbell had a lot of, had a knee situation last year. They wound up taking him, and how did Jehad Campbell turn out? That's exactly what Howie's doing here with Eli Stowers.

Fine. We'll deal with it. Well, they must feel comfortable on some level. They've checked it out. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. It's not to us.

There's different standards for every single body part, essentially, for every single team. Correct. They're chill with this. And it's worked for them in the past, and I'm hopeful and almost certain it will for them in the future with Eli Stowers. Stowers is an app. Did you talk about his, like the combine workout and the explosiveness?

Like Eli Stowers was that was one of the most. Did I talk about it? Yeah. Have you taken a breath since he's been picked? No, I haven't. Okay. I would like to talk about how smart the human being is. Yes.

You love to throw out the combine numbers. This guy understands defense and coverages and how to get open. The speed's great, and he can run by linebackers on wheel routes and seam routes, and he's going to challenge safeties with that speed frame combination. All that stuff's good. Quarterbacks are going to love this guy. Jalen Hertz is going to love this guy because he understands how to get into pockets against coverage. There were four guys that Scott Goldman targeted when he said,

I want to come on the show and talk about what we're doing the intelligence testing. It's not like, hey, I'm wicked smart. It's like from AIQ. It's like from AIQ, and this is the only team, the only group that's certified by the NFL when it comes to this kind of testing, okay? And because they had to go through that certification. They had to get the white papers. Published papers. Yeah.

Published papers. And so, anyway, so the point in this is he was one of four players that he was thrilled to talk about that he got clearance from the agent, and it was okay to talk about it with us. And Stowers, it was because of, like, as you said, spatial awareness, reaction skills. and honestly if you look over time, the guys that have high grades in terms of first, second round prospects that also test extremely well in this department, almost all of them are hits.

This guy's going to be a hit. And now Philadelphia gets a weapon. And what I find intriguing, when you bring in a 6-4-239 pounder, tall and lean, and some teams are viewing as a slot, A.J. Brown is no longer gone. He's just an offensive weapon.

And with a 45-inch, vertical, the lower body explosion. You look at the 451 40-yard dash, and yeah, he got overshadowed by Kenyon Sadiq running, what, a 4-3-9, which is absolutely absurd, but a 451 is still 95th percentile for tight ends. So this is a weapon, and it's a reliable weapon, and they've got to get things fixed in Philly, man. This offense has got to get fixed. And this is someone who comes in who's like reliability and with some upside and explosiveness. Okay. We move on.

This is an important pick for a lot of reasons. The Patriots move up to go get a player. And if you move up from as far as they moved up, it better be a damn good football player. And so far, Elliot Wolfe has done a really nice job, right? Is that how you would qualify? I think he's done, I mean, over the last, looking at the last two, we'll see what happens, but you have to give him a lot of credit for the overall roster that he built last year.

And then specifically the draft. And they get an offensive tackle at the very end. I love how my stopwatch still beeps to this day. I'll tell you that story later. I was like, what is that? I'll tell you that story later. My stopwatch that I pulled out for earlier in the show, if you weren't here, to time the hug between Kate and McDonald, and Bill Simmons was intrigued.

And we got the 15 seconds on the hug, but I think it was long. longer. Anyway, that's the beeping in the background. You get an offensive tackle in the first round, and now all of a sudden you come and trade up to get a player who I think is... He's one of my favorite players in the entire draft. Gabe Accus from Illinois. I've been ranting and raving about Gabe Accus for as long as I'm sure viewers and followers of this show can remember. At the Senior Bowl, he came out, and it was the same thing that I saw on tape from this son of a gun. I'm talking about a...

an absolute relentless motor, pursuit, and toughness. What, yes, what translates to the NFL match? I'll tell you what translates. Power, strong hands. He is the most powerful hands of the

defensive linemen and the edge rushers in this year's class. You can see it on tape. We saw it all week. I gave him an 86 grade. Had him ninth at the position, this position is loaded. Item is the 42nd overall player. So to see a team the Patriots, see him start to get to the early 50s and like, yo, I'm going to get that guy

at a position that I need. Gabe Accus, you know what I love most about him, too? He's not the fastest. He didn't run a 40. Right. Okay. He has this wrestling background that is awesome. He was in the state of Florida.

Two-time state wrestling champion, if my memory's serves me correct, okay? Yep, that's right. And he, in doing so, one year he did it at 220 pounds, the next year he did it 280 pounds. That's a bad dude. Yeah. You know who else had awesome background in wrestling at the edge position who was drafted later than they should have been as we look back on it? Trey Hendrickson. Oh yeah, yeah. Okay. You can see the leverage, the hand use, the ability to fight through. I always talk to mention about it and it drives them crazy. you've got to advance your rush through contact in the NFL. The fastest dude, that's fine.

Offensive tackles in the league will come and knock you off your course. You straight line power guy, fine. Then I'll just sit down. Mench will tell you, just anchor in. I'm not worried about the speed around the edge. This guy, he's going to come into you and he's going to work through you. You better be there for four quarters to fight. I want to tell you about Ackis, 112 tackles, 35 and a half tackles for loss.

We took about all these other guys who have really talented. that don't have the production. 27 sacks and seven force fumbles. Four-year players, three-year starter at Illinois. Fine. He doesn't run that well. Fine, he didn't run a 40. Yeah, I don't care. I don't care at all.

Gabe Accus, I think this is one of the steals in the draft, and it was going to be any pick after 42 for me. Pumped to see him in New England. And obviously, New England's had an eventful and forgettable kind of last 72 hours. but this is a player that Patriots fans will go back and watch. Oh my gosh. Makes some sense of this one, McShay. Oh, my gosh.

It's not that I hate the players. I mean. Go ahead. Okay, wrapping it up. Patriots fans will remember this moment, not because I almost had cardiac arrest on the air because of who just got picked after the Patriots, but because Acus is going to be a massive...

I think he's going to be a big-time player. I think he'll continue to get better as his career goes on. You look at what they have with Draymont Jones they brought in. Harold Landry at his point of his career. I think that Accus is going to be a major part of what they do moving forward. I agree. Bowker. What?

First player out of my top 100. These are always the tough moments, man, right? Suicide Trotter was 104, but yes. Okay. So two out of the top 100 off the board already. I told you, the GM text, this is going to be the most, the least, it's the least common draft in terms of the grades across the league. So buckle up. And we're getting a little taste of it early.

But I'll be honest with you, man. And in a combine that featured 28 tight ends. I actually was going back to my notes on this guy the other day. There are some things to like. But you talk about not. Like James Gladstone, I, I. I'm sorry. You come from the Rams.

You come from the Rams, and you're trying to make a big splash, and I get all the analytics and all the things you're doing, and I hope it's a wonderful future. But you can get Nate Borker, Borker, in day three, like deep in day three. I don't understand this. The fifth round, you could feel comfortable with getting him. Yeah. He's a 4-4-speed guy.

I get it. And so, like, did you plug in some of the analytics and the numbers? No, he was a 4-4 shuttle. guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No. He just, the way he moves... Listen, he flashed at the senior bowl a little bit. It was intriguing. There are

other tight ends that are better than him. He flashed, you know, Marcel Reed, you could say some of the inaccuracies, maybe hurt his production as a receiver. I get all of those things, but there are better tight end prospects on the board. And I don't, like, talks to me from a need standpoint. You have Brenton

Strange coming back. Like, I don't understand. Is Is there this massive need to add a tight end here? It doesn't make sense for me in terms of need. It doesn't make sense to me in terms of value. I think the player is going to be a pretty good number three tight end in the league. It's a deep tight end class. He's pretty far down it.

But again, he's probably a guy that could have, you know, a pretty good NFL career as a depth tight end. I don't see a difference maker. I mean, he was in Nebraska first. He went to Texas A&M, and he had 19 catches coming into his last year in 2025. He had 20 catches this year. so he doubled up this production, but it's not like this massive production. He had 10 yards per catch.

He flashes. He flashes on tape. He flashes the Senior Bowl. He had some big moments in big games for Texas A&M. There's no denying any of that. This isn't about Borker, like, not being a good enough player to play in the NFL. This is just about where they took him,

is where I take exception to this pick. But they see something in him with his length and his ability to... The frame's good. I get it. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah Just looking at some texts It's kind of kind of a

Yeah it was surprising So speechless Speech just a little bit on that one It's not speechless It's just it's hard because I don't want to bury the That's why I'm speechless Because they're good like there's good plays like we said But we move on

And you know what? Maybe they'll prove us wrong But now you start to look at The Jaguars right And you start to look at Well we gave away a lot last year To move up for for Travis Hunter Right

because he's going to be Shoahatani. And after one year, it looks like he's still going to play both sides. And Travis Hunter is a phenomenal football player, and they're going to figure it all out, and hopefully he comes back from the injury. But it was a lot to gamble on a player that could be something extraordinarily special. And I get that part. But it's the first draft come in and attack it.

And now you're looking and you're wondering, what are we going to get from the, second year. This is our first pick for Jacksonville of the 2026 NFL draft. And so, I don't know. We'll keep an eye on it. There have been

two picks that have been surprising to me so far. Yep. And this is one of them. So... This would even more so than the other, but yeah. The Chicago Bears are on the clock. They did outstanding by waiting to pick 25 and getting

Dylan Thineman on night one. I mean, a massive need, but an excellent player at a good spot without having to move up. It was a great first night for the Bears. Yeah. I mean, it was shocking that he was still there. Shocking.

If not 18 and 19. I mean, when he fell, it was I'm sure they were in that war room. And it was a perfect player for what they're trying to do. And like, they needed a safety or an edge, and they needed fits. They need fits for Dennis Allen's system, and they got a fit there. And here they get another fit at the center

They do it again. Logan Jones. We talked about him earlier. We were talking about the first center going to be off the board is going to be Iowa's Logan Jones. And this is a player that I know you liked a lot. I liked him a lot when I watched him on tape because I appreciate, let's face it, Iowa offensive linemen come in the league and they know how to play offensive line. Like they're so well coached. And some of them don't have the longest arm. Some of them don't fit the prototype. But they've been producing these guys since I started my career in 1999. And it's like, I don't know, they have like a 90% hit rate, it feels like, you know? Yeah.

Go ahead on Logan Jones, your guy. He is, I mean, this is the prototypical Iowa interior offensive line. And I will say this. He's almost 300 pounds and he ran a 4-940. Yes. This guy can move. We have a trade? We do have a trade.

San Francisco is trading the 26 pick of this round. to the Cleveland Browns. So the Browns are on the move up now. So he can move. We know that based on the Combine. And if you go to Iowa and you're an offensive lineman, you know how to zone block, man. You're going to be already an excellent zone blocker,

which I think in a Ben Johnson offense is going to be really good for them. And then he, listen, he's not the biggest guy. He has very short arms. There's some issues there when guys get into his frame, but he's good with his hands. He does a good job of working his hands inside. He does a good job of moving his feet. Iowa offense lineman, I always worry

a little bit about past protection, but what we've seen from this kid in that area is that he's very competitive. I don't have a real concern with that. Best center on the board. You've brought in Garrett Bradbury, who can start for now, but I don't think, let's be honest, he's not the long term answer, and Logan Jones represents a possible

upgrade. This next pick is someone who's been sitting on the board for a long time. Emmanuel McNeill Warren. out of Toledo. And quite frankly, he didn't run great at the Combine. He's a strong safety.

I liked his tape a lot. Then you start comparing him with a lot of the other guys, and we kind of brought him back down to the pack, but still had him pretty high. I don't know. Most people I talked to overnight thought he would be one of the first five, seven. It would be interesting to see if there was something else there. But Emmanuel McNeill Warren is an absolute football player.

And I mean that, like, the instincts, I told you as a tackler. Now, he'll miss a couple, but you don't know where he's coming in from. He will fly up the field. He will come in at one time he'll punch out the ball with that peanut punch. Another time he'll cut your knees out from underneath you. He's got this last second, like, that he does, where he'll lasso your ass and he'll bring you right to that. Like, he does all sorts of things. But the thing that you like most is for a player who, with that speed and that frame,

is going to wind up playing kind of near the bottom. and do it and maybe too high safety looks, he'll take the ball away. And I saw, like, there was the interception on the sideline in the snow game. There was an over-the-head pluck and pull away. I just, I like his playmaking ability. And length is so important. He only ran a 4-5-2, which, like, it's, I want to remember when I say the 40 time, okay? It's, we have Eamon Worry last year running, like, it felt like a 4-2 at 6 foot 9.

Yeah. Like the legend. He's drunk. And then this year, the defensive backs are Blazy. Thineman runs like a 4-3-2 or something stupid. He ran a 4-5-2, which is 6-foot 3 and a half. And over 200 pounds is of more than respectable time. But tell the folks more about Eam and War if you want.

Eamon War, you mean McNeill. I'm sorry, McNeill-Whorne. I think you kill it. I mean, this is not a – this is a guy that you wrote up. This is one – you know, great value at this point. could have gone late first. I'm trying to look at there and see, like, in terms of need, it's not one that we identified,

but I don't care. Like, Cleveland just needs to get better. And you're getting a guy who's going to set the tone with his physicality. He has the frame to be a great player at that position. I think it's a good pick. And I compared it going through my report, like, animal planet, man, like the predator hunting is prey. Listen, you're a weirdo, but, like, it's a, when you hear it,

it's a good thing. It's a great thing. And I talked about the big, 206 tackles, 11 for loss, a sack, 13 pass breakups, five interceptions, eight force fumbles in 35 games. They're getting a playmaker.

And my gosh, with what they have up front and some of those guys in the front seven, bringing in a guy who can actually make plays is pretty exciting if you're a Browns fed. It's a really good start to this draft

for Andrew Barry and the Browns. Wow. This is my guy, man. It was my guy, and then he became your guy. Okay, then take him. No, you take it. I got to go to the restroom. I'm giving you a three.

I have to go after you, so go. A three-pick range. But I got to talk about Marlon Klein. After Marlon Klein. Yes, thank you. Marlon Klein is intriguing because everyone knows Marlon. And we're not going to the GM series. It's going to get quiet.

It's going to get quiet. I'm going to start talking about. There's a player that. Here's what happened. What I do for fun? A team drafts a player. That player is a player you've evaluated. It's no different than when you see,

and Tucker will get in your ear and he'll say Marlon Klein, who's drafted by Houston Texans, pick 27 and round two. And Marlon Klein is a tight end from Michigan. You can draw on that information, right? And then you just dive into Marlon Klein. What if I talk about whether or not, I think the sphere will be a better place to see fish than Hampton-Colson?

If you need to do that. If you need to do that so long as we don't have to throw to a GM series. That's better? Yes. All right, I got out of my back pocket if I need to. All right, Marlon Klein was one of the most intriguing. Honestly, it was one of the most interesting evaluations that I did. And why do I say that?

Because he's known as this, like, long six-foot-six blocking tight end at Michigan. And then I put on the tape, and I'm like, yeah, he does that. And he's a good blocker. I don't want to get carried away. like he's not at the level of like Sam Roush or some other blockers that we'll talk about in this draft. But he's a really good blocker and he's highly competitive. But what I saw on tape, the more I watch,

because you don't get many opportunities, right? Underwood's got to improve. Let's leave it at that if you're a Michigan fan and you're watching this. Spring game? No. Not good. Well, the tape wasn't good.

And every one of their receivers, including Klein, like the opportunities missed were wild. But you can see there's, there's, and he's playing in the bowl game. And there's a seam route that he's running against Texas. And you see, like, there's this shake to him as I'm watching like 12 tight ends because this tight end list wouldn't end. But I'm watching him all in a row. He moves a little different.

And the length he has and the ability to go up and the toughness he has, he doesn't care. He gets whacked and pops right back up. And he's kind of like here for it. And I'm watching this cat. And I'm like, okay, I see a little more athletic. And now we get to the combine, and it's a, you know, it's got the length of 32 and 3H arm length. He's got a 36 inch vertical, which is really, really good, 76 percentile. He runs a 461, which is the 81st percent of, go over the last three years of the tight end.

So now I got a 6-6 receiver who runs a 461, who's got some lower body explosion, right? There's some traits that I really like in him, and I see on tape that there's these, flashes. So I was like, I think he's a top 100 pick, and that's where we had him. So this is, is it slightly earlier than I thought? Yeah, but like not that much earlier. So I love this pick for Houston. I think it's a, I think it's a great decision. Let's bring in a guy that can block right away, but also, absolutely, there's more in that tank. It's from some of these quarterbacks sometimes, it was frustrating to see what meat was left on the bone as a receiver for some of these tight ends and wide receivers. So I'm intrigued by Marlin Klein. And I like

this pick for Houston. Yeah, I don't like to you guys keep going. I don't like to keep getting vindicated for the, for the, like, kind of... Well, I'm going to take a restroom break for it. Kind of the risky moves you made. So you take all the time talking about Marlon Klein and Houston. I'll wait for there to be a pick.

I'll wait for there to be a pick. I really appreciate that. I'll wait for the... Oh, this is perfect. Am I allowed to talk about it? Yeah, you can talk about it, Mench. The people... Hey, Be nice to Mench here, okay? He's got three minutes. You can clock me. He's got three minutes.

By the way, he says three minutes. If this man is back at 10, I'll be surprised. The pick is in. The Titans are on the clock. The pick is about to be in. Talk about the Titans. All right. Actually, you know what?

Before I won't leave? Okay, there you go. It picks in. We're going to do. I was going to say that Houston is talking about their depth chair. This is a nice edition for them. But the Titans pick is in. The 60th pick.

Yes. And the 2026 NFL draft with Jeffrey Simmons on stage announcing, the Tennessee Titans take. I'm yelling? I'm yelling, right? The Tennessee Titans take Anthony Hill Jr. from Texas. Let's get into it a little bit. Obviously, we thought that

the Titans could have been targeting a linebacker at some point in the draft because we felt that Sunny Stiles was a real option at 4. What's interesting to me about this is he's no one's Sunny Stiles. He's a different cat, 6'4, I mean,

2.30 runs the blazing fast 40 time. Anthony Hill 6-2-238, ran a 4-5-1, which is a really good time, 37-inch vertical. We're talking about another player who's got a lot of skills, a lot of talent, not on the Stony Stiles level, but still a lot of skill. He can give you something off the edge as a pass rusher,

even at that size. He's instinctive. He has a really good feel for how to attack protections, like I talked about before. He closes well from, depth when he rushes from depth and when he rushes off the edge. Three-year career, he had 17 sacks. I think in coverage, sort of like we talk with these other linebackers,

he's not great when he has to change directions quickly, but he can turn and run with guys. What's interesting to me about this player is to get into the run defense a little bit. He's really a downhill guy. He had a top three 10-yard split among the linebackers at the Combine. You see that on tape when he is able to try. trigger quickly. He makes it very difficult for blockers to get into his frame.

And also that that quickness translate to explosive power. So he can he can pop guys when he plays downhill. When he has, he does fit with the Titans. I mean, he fits with the Titans because I think they're going to use him in the correct way where they're going to put him on the move. Because if you ask him to stay flat-footed and read,

he doesn't have the biggest frame. You know, he's got good size of 238. but I think when you can get into his frame, that's where he's not nearly as effective. So something to keep an eye on. That aspect. Rangy guy, though.

He is a sideline-to-sideline run defender, and I got to be honest with you, we have the next pick to announce Max Clare from Ohio State, who was the number two tight end of my board coming out, going to the Rams. I mean, I don't know if the Rams have, ever seen a tight end they don't love.

This probably doesn't make a lot of sense from a need standpoint, but they use so many two, three tight end sets. If you're not going to get that wide receiver that you wanted here, you're going to get another guy who's a pass catcher. You know, we keep talking about how they're going to have these three receiver sets, but they do a good job of identifying the guys that can make plays for them in their system. So you don't necessarily need that slot that you might have targeted here if you felt like you had a better option.

Antonio Williams from Clemson would have been interesting. But with Max Clare, the reason I liked him so much is I thought that he was for a taller guy, 644, 246. I think he can get in and out of breaks more than people realize he catches the ball. Well, I remember when he was at Ohio State because he transferred Purdue. I was really talking about Max Clare. He had a drop on his first opportunity to make a play for Ohio State. I think after that he settled down.

Everything got back to normal. More productive than I think people. realized, oh, no way, no way. Max Clare. The Rams take another tight end. Really? Yeah. Rams get another tight end.

There's a trade. I was told by Tucker to tell you there's a trade. Carry it on. Let me get my earpiece. I was just talking about how much I like Max Clare. I thought he was my number two tight end coming to the year. A little underrated after the catch. I think he can make the first guy miss.

Good move blocker, not necessarily great inline blocker, which you would expect for a guy who weighs 246 pounds. Maybe they can fill out his frame. But if you're using this. So. To the Rams. Claire went to the Rams. Okay.

Yeah. Who I said have not seen a tight end they don't like. As a need standpoint. But speaking a little bit to that, when you build a roster the way that less needs built his roster, you can take a quarterback at 13 and you can take a tight end here, even though it looks like that might not be one of your biggest needs. Yeah. I mean, Stafford would probably like to, here's the deal.

I think the two receivers they wanted in round two went. Yeah. So they go back to the drawing board and try to figure that out. Yeah, that's an interesting, it's not a pick I would have expected there. But Max Clare is another, I mean, Max Clare can get down the seam. And Max Clare can create after the catch a little bit. So another one, yeah, rotate them in. So the bills

The bills are now on the clock My turn Second, yeah, go ahead Second to last pick Of the Third to last pick of the second round Let me get re-mensch couldn't bail out of here Fast enough

I am plugged in Here we go You can go around It's an absolute circus in here right now You got to appreciate it right There goes there goes the big fella All right So we're back on the clock here.

And the bills are up. The bills so far have done some moving around, and now they're utilizing some of that capital to get back. You've got to appreciate what Brandon Bean is trying to do. And they, let's see, they wind up trading out of the first round. They had a pick early in the second round, right? T.J. Parker, that's what it was. So T.J. Parker is their first pick, which we absolutely love.

And they kind of started that second-tier edge-rushing, edge-rusher run that we expected to see. I'm intrigued with Buffalo, right? I'm intrigued with Buffalo. I didn't hear you, Tucker. What do you got? Okay, the best available is ready. Yeah, you can throw that up right now. I'm intrigued because we got left guard as a need for Buffalo.

We've got wide receiver as a need for Buffalo. to see another weapon here. And I know what they've done in the offseason. I recognize they brought in DJ Moore. But Khalil Shakir, Joshua Palmer, like, I would love to see another weapon. I look at the board right now. We got Chris Bell, who would be awesome after the catch. He's coming off the knee injury, but ahead of schedule in recovery. Antonio Williams is one of the best route running receivers. I don't know that that's the exact route they go because he might be a slot in the NFL. And they've obviously got Shakir, Zachariah branches another slot.

So if it's wide receiver here, I'd have to guess. It's a guy like Chris Bell, who's a bigger power. He gets the A.J. Brown comp, right? If it's not wide receiver, left guard. Emmanuel Pregnan would be a perfect fit. In fact, if you trade up to this spot, I'd like to think it would be for Pregnon. And we're about to find out in just a minute here.

But the bill has already got their edge rusher, so you cross that off the list in terms of what they need. And, yeah, I mean, there's two things, right? With Josh Allen, there's two things. We've got to be able to protect and we've got to add more weapons. And we've already gone defensive side of the ball with that first pick here in the second round. So now let's either protect them a little bit better

and be able to line up and run the football, but mostly let's protect Josh Allen better or let's get him a weapon. and so I just kind of went through who those guys are. It's interesting just going back. Here comes the selection. They don't go either. They go completely against what I thought.

You got a manual pregnon sitting there. I don't like this pick. This is the third pick I just don't like of this draft. David Igbenoson, who's a fine cornerback at Ohio State, and there's a lot of positives to him. but I'm just going to start with this. I don't like this pick from Branden Bean. I think I just told you,

honestly, I get not taking Chris Bell coming off the injury and some of the other, you know, there's some maturing that has to be done, but we got an Emmanuel Pregnan, I just think would have been a perfect fit to bring him in. And dozens, not a handful, dozens of other prospects that were higher rated. But you bring in a scheme fit on the defensive side in Igbenosin. And let's go through the positives of him.

He is a tall, long, physical corner who has to play because of his, as you see here. Like, he's one of those guys with his length. He has to play in zone coverage. He's none of the that you look for. And quite honestly, he improved so much this past year with the penalties that there's, showed a lot of promise in a scheme with Matt Patricia who brought out the best in him. Okay. But two years ago, the story with Igbenosin is, yeah, he's like a second round talent,

but the inconsistencies when the ball's in the air. And also there's limitations in terms of the coverage. But as a press zone, some cover three, like he's in Buffalo, he's going to wind up, you know, fitting what they're looking for. But honestly, like they brought, they, you draft Maxwell Hirston last year at Corner. I'm just telling the folks right now. Brandon Bean, this is an annoying pick from him, if I'm being honest. Who did it take? They took Igbenosin.

Oh. Who, I get it. Talent-wise, you can see the second round, right? Yeah. But from a player standpoint, I just, I thought that he was able to, I thought you were going to be able to get him late in the third, early, and the fourth. Because the penalties used to be a problem. He's got the 4-4 speed at 6-2, 189 pounds.

But when the ball's in the air, I'm not convinced that problem is completely solved. I think Matt Patricia brought out the best of him. Feels a little like helmet scouting. You're seeing Ohio State Corner and you think, I know that they don't do that. I know that's harsh. Yeah. He's got a physical style. Yeah, you cut down on the penalties.

I told you about the penalties. 16 in 2024 to 5 in 2025. Yeah, but watch the tape, and he's still holding. He's, yes. And so I'm a little shocked from this Buffalo team who did a great job in the first round. And with their first pick in the second round, I already talked about, T.J. Parker, this is a player, I think you could have got late. And he's not a ball hawk either. I would get it if he's grabbing and he makes mistakes, but he takes the ball away.

Most teams I talked to on Igbenosin said, could go late third. We got him early fourth. And that's that. Yeah. That's that. So the bills are clearly, and I guess it's interesting to me, like, at what point, at what point are we going to show, and I get that a lot of other teams have done this, where they draft and draft and draft on the defensive side,

because let's get the ball back to the one guy who's the difference baker, okay? And that's Josh Allen. But at some point you'd like to think that they would, like, they need a left guard. Yeah. They need another receiver. care what you say. By a 100% degree. I agree. And I was telling the folks about, we got Chris Bell on the board. The other receivers, I can wait until the third. I get it.

But they don't, do we have their trade details or where their picks are? I can find, I guess. But they didn't come into the draft with, or they pick again at 91, but they must have traded up. I got to figure out where the picks are for the Buffalo Bills. But at the end of the day, their first two picks are on defensive players. And I was expecting to see a little bit more action on the offensive side to start this draft. I'm not going to sit here and rail on it for any more minutes than I already have. Igman Osam would be a good player. And Harris did I get like the injuries.

You brought in Dee Alford. CJ, they brought in CJ Gardner Johnson. I recognize where he is. Cole Bishop is the other safety. So, I mean, I guess Christian Benford, like, obviously you've got to upgrade that spot, but I don't know that this is the guy to do this here. It feels like, I mean, this is the final thing. So does it trade up for this too? Yes.

Okay. It feels like that cornerback run spooked them. And on their board, this is the guy that they want. But I can tell you that I'm not every team, but a majority of other teams I talked to did not have them this high. Yeah. I think that's fair. Yeah. There were high hopes for him, and it just never materialized.

Yeah. So now we have the Chargers on the clock. The Chargers, the Chargers had an awesome pick in the first round. I was thrilled to see the Chargers go out in the first round and have a player fall to them. It's fitting because it's the Baltimore thing, right? The Ravens thing. Yep. And Joe Ortiz had a long, long, long, long time lieutenant doing it the right.

way grind into the top, comes over, takes over the Chargers' GM job with Harbaugh, told an awesome story if you haven't seen the interview that we had with him. And kind of some of that Ravens, I don't want to call it luck, but like we do the right thing, we're patient, someone's going to fall to us, and more often than not that he does, and that's exactly what the Chargers did sitting there and getting a key messador in the first round at pick 22 overall. Now they come back in the second round, very end of the second round, second to last pick in the second round, and they get Jake Slaughter, the center from Florida, who Maxie and Achor said

should have been the offensive line. He should have won the award of the offensive lineman of the week at the Senior Bowl when he was announced. So what do you got on Slaughter, Munch, is they, we know this coming in. It was interior offensive line, number one need, and it was then like edge and a couple other positions for the Chargers. And so far, they've done a great job with that. For Slaughter, I think it feels a little early for him, but I also thinking you're going to get a guy who can potentially start at Center early in his career.

And the Chargers had a clear mandate here to improve their interior offensive line. They're going to get their tackles healthy. They're going to improve their offensive line. You have one of the best quarterbacks in the league. It makes all the sense. Getting into the player specifically, he's experienced. he has great awareness he's going to make sure all the line calls are right

he's never going to be out of place he's quick he's agile he's your classic positional blocker at the position where he's going to wall guys off he's just not going to get a lot of push he's really good like a lot of other centers he's really good when he can combo block with a guard up to the second

level does a really good job of punching guys onto his guard so he can get up to the second level where he's a little bit better gonna struggle a little bit when you give him that big nose tackle right over him that zero technique, guy who has length and power. He's not the splashiest pick, I get that, but you're getting

an experienced SEC center who has a chance to be a very solid middle of the league starter for years. He's going to be a good player for a long time. Yeah, I mean, we had him as 139 overall. I'm not going to sugarcoat it. It's higher than I thought, but I also think that when

you fall in love with that position, that position, and I'm sure Harbaugh fell in love with this guy at that position, it has a of trust. And so, you know, you go for the... And again, like, this class is pretty wild when you get into this range of the draft. Yeah. Because fifth rounders are third rounders for this team and third rounders are fifth rounders for this team. But I'll tell you one guy. I'll tell you one guy who's a second

day prospect to me all day long. And this one's going to piss you off. Bud Clark. Thank you, John Schneider. You kind of whacked me because I... And by the way, report. Courts came out that Seattle, let's watch Bud Clark. There were two players at the Senior Bowl on the defensive side that every single day scouts were buzzing about. That's Kyle Lewis, the linebacker from Pittsburgh, and this guy.

Bud Clark. I remember standing there with the defensive back coach who was working with him, and I'm saying, why is he giving more attention to Bud Clark? Why is TCU's getting all the attention? Because he sees something special in him, and I noticed that as the week went on, and he was utilizing him in different ways. And as I watched Bud Clark at Senior Bowl,

and I came back and studied more of his tape, I fell in love with Bud Clark, the football player. He is a versatile playmaker at 6-1-188 pounds. He ran a 4-4-1 and had a 38-inch vertical. So we checked those boxes at the combat. He just, from the versatility you get working in the slot, moving around, the instincts that you get in terms of jumping the ball early with his eyes in the quarterback to understanding route combinations,

and he's a flat-out friggin ball hawk. 15 interceptions, 35 past breakups over the past four seasons. He tracks the ball and locates it over his shoulder, going up for it, as well as some good wide receivers in this class, and that's going to get you in the second round. And guess what? The Seahawks want those dudes. because they got a pass rush up front.

And let's put some cats back there that can sniff it out, seek it out, and go take it away so we can get it back to our offense. That's what Bud Clark is. Bud Clark is a takeaway machine. Yeah, he's a really good value at this point. Yeah. And he was, I'm telling you, he was, it was all week long at practice of the senior ball. I would say that. That senior bowl performance, especially when you're watching the tape the goal line, when he was down on the goal line working one-on-one,

I was blown away by how effective he was in that drill in terms of his balance, in terms of being physical without being grabby. On tape, he's a little more grabby. He had some penalties that concern me. But that performance at the Senior Bowl opened my eyes to the player. When I went back and watched the tape, again, he was a little grabby. I thought there were some tackles he missed. But at this point in the draft, you're getting a guy who can be a starter.

First pick of the third round. As we transition from round two to round three here on day two, if you're watching on Netflix right now live, we appreciate it. This is the maiden voyage for us covering the draft on Netflix, and we appreciate everyone who's tuning in. If you want to follow along on the chat, we're on Discord. And if you want to follow along on the website where our databases with all of our scouting reports, please do.

It's the ringer.com slash McShay. Now, I'm told we may have a fascinating pick that might not surprise a lot of people. Because if you don't, let's not forget. I think lost in all of the shuffle of everyone coming up in the streets and congratulating me and having Ty Simpson going 13th. No, what was, I'm joking. What was lost in the whole thing of the surprise of the Rams for most people that Ty Simpson was a pick at 13 was the fact that Arizona didn't get its

quarterback, man. The Cardinals were banking on getting Ty Simpson. That's why it was so important that Les Need and the Rams kept it quiet. And so when that happens, now they're kind of like, oh, you've got to regroup. Because they were going to trade up from pick 34 ahead of the

Jets, 33 who were never taking Ty Simpson, by the way. That's a nugget. If you want a nugget, there's a nugget. The Jets were never considering Ty Simpson is my strong understanding. And rightfully so. It's all about 2020. So, third round, first pick, right? Yeah.

Arizona Car, is this right? Is it the third round first pick? Yeah. Pick 65. This is pick 65 is the Arizona Cardinals. This one's fascinating to me. I don't know who else they like. I only know the quarterbacks out there are Garrett Nussmeier, Carson Beck, Drew Aller, by all

accounts from people in the league. Those are going to be the next three quarterbacks off the board. My guy, Cole Payton, your guy, Taylin Green. We don't expect either one of those guys. Probably going to be day two. I certainly don't expect. You can make an argument if you like Ty Simpson, you like Garrett Nussmeyer,

but he's coming off the injury and you want a guy who maybe has a chance to here's what I would do if I'm Arizona. Theoretic, like in theory. I would want a guy that you can bring in and literally like, yeah, Jacoby Brissette's going to start a bunch of games,

but I want to find out if I have anything in this guy so that I know how serious I have to get in the 2027 draft class. Right. So that leads me to... Yeah, it could be Nussmeyer. It could be Carson Beck. I don't think I... I wouldn't take true in the first four rounds.

Where are we? We got any... Pick is it? Carson Beck is the pick. Fascinating. I heard that yell. I'm sorry. I get carried away.

First pick of the third round. So first pick of the third round, Carson Beck comes off the board. Carson Beck, man, this is a long, windy road for Carson Beck. Carson Beck started his career at Georgia, right? If you go back and we get the whole history of it. But let me give you the cliff notes of it. He plays really well early in his career at Georgia. He is a big, tall, looking the part.

quarterback with the physicality and like stand in the pocket as a pocket passer. He starts his career at Georgia, working the play action. Things are going well. They're loaded around him, right? Winning a lot of games. And so the background is he's kind of climbing the ladder, playing well. Coming into the 2024 season had he played well, NFL Scouts like top 10 pick. Yep.

Okay? That was the trajectory. 20-24 season does not go as planned. Some point Carson Beck kind of loses that team. And then he gets injured late in the season. And then Gunner comes in, Gunner Stockton, comes in. And this guy, Gunner Stockton, turns out really talented. I get it.

They're ready after the injury and kind of some of the stuff going on. Yeah, you can take off. And this is Georgia. Georgia doesn't let a guy who's a top 10 pick. Georgia doesn't let a guy who's a top 10 pick get out of. of Athens at the quarterback position. If there wasn't some stuff there, then there's that offseason between 2024 and 2025, right, where Carson Beck, it's all the stories and all the TMZ and social media.

It's the two Lamborghinis bought, two Lamborghinis stolen. The Cavender Twins dating, cheating on it. Cavender Twin, did he, did he not? Like, everything you don't want as an NFL general manager for a quarterback prospect to have going on in his life is just about there, right? But then he gets to Miami, and you're thinking, yeah, great, he's going to go down to Miami. How could this end poorly? But it doesn't end poorly. Carson Beck started to get reports in, like, August, remember Mention?

Yeah. And we're like, oh, Carson Beck's like first guy in. Everyone says first guy in last week. No, Carson Beck is, like, picked things up quickly. Carson Beck isn't making his receivers work for the ball like he used to. These receivers and the offensive linemen and the defensive linemen and the safeties and the linebackers and they all love him. He's found a home here.

He actually loves football again. Carson Beck is rejuv-like this is the Carson Beck where you're talking about as a top 10 prospect, okay? That's kind of this windy road that Beck's career took. And then he comes and starts the season and they're winning games. And they're winning games and he looks good. And remember they beat Notre Dame. And you saw, like Carson, he looks a more nimble,

like the weight of the world's off his shoulders, right? And so all of a sudden, they start winning games to the point where we're like, could they make a run? Is he back in the top ten? Then they lose a couple games, and he does what he always does. And Mench called it. He's like, if he has one game with interception, it's going to be multiple, and he did in the middle of the season.

Yeah. Then he starts calling out, it's this person's fault. It's that person's fault. All this stuff happens, but he kind of did it to get everyone to realize the bar is different, you better be accountable for what you're accountable for. They go on to win the rest of the games of the regular season. They may squeak into the college football playoff.

They make a run in the college football playoff in part, not large part, but in part to him protecting the ball, playing within the system. Carson Beck does not have a big arm. Carson Beck is not mobile. So those are two as a pocket passer without a big arm. It's good enough. It's good. The downfield accuracy is more of an issue than the arm. I don't think it's a great arm.

Okay. The downfield accuracy is not where it needs to be. But he's tough in the pocket. He's improved. And you cannot right now, as an NFL NFL general manager, put enough value into starts. And big game starts. And this guy has won a lot of big games. And he's improved.

And they're taking a chance. Arizona is the third round pick, a reasonable spot to take Carson back, that he can come in and maybe push for some time and maybe prove. a lot of people wrong and become that number 10 pick that he was projected to be back in 2024. We missed a bunch of picks. Why not? Yeah, totally.

At this point. Oh, I love this next pick. This is your guy. We were talking about him just before the draft and how you kind of had him. Oneidum. Onyedum is the pronunciation that I'm with. Even the pronunciation didn't do the print. But on youdom, he and Regis, I watched them as I was going through the stack of defensive

tackles. The Broncos get him. He's going to be a perfect fit there. Yeah. Three technique, with discipline, has some length, pass rush upside. I liked Regis, the other guy at Texas A&M, but this, I knew that Oneedum was going to be drafted earlier because he's got that pass rushing upside. And you look at Denver, and this is their first pick of the draft, right? So, no, this is their second pick of the draft. I'll look that up. He's long. He's penetrating interior defensive line. He's got this blend of first step quickness. He's got length and he's got a motor.

And when I watched him, I just saw a player who's like where he's supposed to be and also disrupting on top of just where he's supposed to be. He's like assignment sound, consistent effort, doesn't have this like big, thick lower. But these Texas A&M cats, man, at defensive tab, they just do the right thing. They play with gap, like gap, they play gap sound. They play with toughness. They play with a motor. And they might not have great production.

He had three saxes past year, but he had 48 tackles. He had nine tackles for loss. So right away, the Broncos, in that scheme, three techniques, one gap, get up the field, penetrate, disrupt. He's a perfect fit. Yeah. I hear you. We just before the draft, you said watch out for this player. Yeah.

But I want to talk about Key Runkoff. Oh, he's one of my favorites, but please, please, I've talked very too long. Great value here, first of all. Right about where we expected him, we gave an early third round grade. I like... Tell the folks where we went. He went to... Raiders.

And I knew that. I love this pick. I just love this pick because I think they need someone to take some of the pressure off of Max Crosby. This kid's still developing. He's not quite there in terms of the refinement, but he is violent. He is a violent guy. He gets into you a little bit explosive, and we just talked about high motor guys.

This guy is an absolute relentless pass rusher that gets thrown around a lot. I think this guy, when you look at his mindset, with the violence and the tenacity, not the longest arms, but a good frame at 6-4, 253 pounds. At this point in the draft, getting this kind of an edge,

I really like that. It's Stukes in the second, And Kieran Crawford in the third. And Mendoza. I know. I mean, kind of overlook it. Absolutely. Yeah, but they are, this is a,

SpyTex having a nice run. A really nice run. These are two players I would love to have on my football team. Because one takes the ball away, the other pressures the quarterback to put the ball up to be taken away. And obviously they have a lot of needs, but they're addressing those needs without having to reach. Yeah, but let's look at those needs, man.

They bring in Toron Johnson to play for nickel. They're hoping the Dary and Porter, the third round pick from last year improves. Eric Stokes is at the other cornerback spot, right? Mm-hmm. Okay? So now we bring in Tray-Anstukes who's going to become that nickel. Right. And provide an upgrade and take the football away when he's ready to do so, hopefully right away.

Okay? We brought in Quidipay. We brought in Quay Walker and Nicopi Dean. So we have shored up the interior of our defense in terms of the linebacker spot in the three-four scheme. we have added now two guys to go opposite Max Crosby, who we didn't even think was coming back when we made a lot of these moves. So Crosby's back.

Quitty pays in house. And I want to be able to use Kieran Crawford as a DPR as a rookie, and you absolutely can do that. Now, turn them loose. Let him go crazy. Yeah. That's it. Don't need more from them as a rookie

and continue to try to develop them. So while we brought in Kurt Cousins, and he's going to start some games early on as we get Mendoza ready, and we brought in Connor Hayward to play fullback in front of Ashton Jinty as we adjust to now this Kubiak scheme that needs a fullback,

we need more receivers, but we brought in Naylor with Trey Tucker and Besh. So receivers coming pretty soon, but I love what Spy Tech has done. Yeah, me too. And I miss the Quitty Pay signing. I do like that signing. I just don't think he's,

I don't think they could have been done there. They needed more. Totally. I think that this is a brilliant. This is a good pick. Philadelphia, Mark El Pelpelle. It's a perfect Philadelphia pick. And Stout isn't there. Who knows if they can rally Stout back?

Lur them out like they did with what's his name in New England? Yes. Scarnikia. Starnakia. Dante Scarnikia. I think they got him to come back at one point. Great poll by you. But this is this is a Philadelphia pick through and through.

The Eagles take Markell Bell, who is the biggest man in the entire draft at 6'46 pounds, okay? Arm length, not an issue. What is it? 36 and 3 eighths of an inch. Was it the longest, like, ever at the combine? I think it was fourth. But it was up there. It's up there.

Fourth is pretty good. To say his, his tape is intriguing. It is intriguing. It ain't consistent all the time. From an NFL tackle standpoint. Like, he got the job done at Miami. But this is a guy who, like, he transferred in from Holmes Community College in 2024. You talk about Mario Cristobal and the gang being able to find and develop offensive linemen.

That's what this is all about. 6-9, actually, and one-quarter inch. 346 pounds. I stood next to him. It's one thing when I stand next to Mench, folks. and I won't make us both stand up now but like when I stand right next to mention you look at it's 6165 right

we won't get into the weights but you stand next to 69 and 346 pounds it's like are we from are we from the same are we the same being right you know and he plays he plays like that at times

the problem is it's so it's a city block it's like a $23 dollar Uber ride to get around this guy. So he doesn't have to be the quickest and all that stuff. But you're our offensive line guru. I want to hear from you, whether it's stout

or what they have in place with Philadelphia. How much work does this guy need? And when Lane Johnson's time is up after this year or whatever they need, can he develop into their guy? I think he can.

Really? I do. Like there's, there are ugly snaps. They're ugly reps. The tape is a little bit up and down. If you watch the positive snaps the first, you're like, this guy, I'm super excited about this. And then you see that sometimes being the tallest guy on the offensive line

is a little bit of a detriment because it affects your ability to sink both in past protection so you lose your power base and in the run game, so you lose your power base. Those things happen with him a little bit. I think he moves better than you would expect for a human being that size. And

it reminds me of when Orlando Brown Jr. came out and everyone was like, he's just not a good enough athlete. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember that. He's not a good enough athlete. But the frame and the size and the strength were enough for him to overcome it. I don't think he's as nasty as Orlando Brown Jr. was coming out. But I see a lot of the same things. I think he's worth a swing here, man. All the top guys are gone at offensive tackle. This is a dude I would take a shot on right here. I do worry about the offensive line coach situation because it's not. the same that it was when Stout was there, and are they going to be able to continue that tradition of developing guys? Joe Douglas is actually working with Stout last year. I'm not sure who's there. It could be the greatest young up-and-coming coach ever. I actually don't know what the situation is. But yeah, that's the first thing it comes to mind because for so many years, like, yeah, we're going to draft. We can draft a guy, develop them. Yeah. And... You took it for granted. Exactly. But now the only reason we're bringing up is it's a major change in what was like the best offensive line coach in the NFL.

Yeah. Oh, boy. You want to announce this pick? Can I announce it? Are we all ready to announce this right now? Yes. Okay. Chicago Bears.

Go ahead. With the sixth pick in the third round. No, fifth pick in the third round. Apologies. Don't want to get that wrong. Take Stanford tight end, Sam Roush. Is he any good? Dude, by the way, you're a...

I can't believe I'm going to give you credit for something. Your tight end rankings are looking pretty good. The tight ends that you like... Except for Bo Kierker. Yeah, but the tight ends you like have done pretty well so far. You know what pisses me off about this? I actually underrated

Sam Roush. I would tell... He's not oatmeal, man. He's a hungry man breakfast. I know. Don't you dare tell me what Sam Roush is and what Sam Roush isn't? While everyone was laughing at me,

Sam Roush with his short alligator arms and he runs funny, right? Yeah. I told you the... Sam Rouse is going to win a Super Bowl. I can... You watch this guy... I watched him at the senior ball.

I couldn't wait to get back and watch more tape. I knew he was a good blocker. I saw some athletics. That's what I said to you. I said, I see some athleticism, some different stuff from him that I didn't expect to see. Another tight end, a victim

of the atrocities of some college quarterbacks. I won't mention any names, but my good Lord... Lord in heaven above. If he had Fernando Mendoza throwing to him or Dante Moore or Arch Manning or like, the sky's the limit. 6-627 pounds. You want to know why I called him oatmeal and this was before he went and ran a four,

a four-seven and had one of the best RAS scores, RAS scores of all the tight ends for his height, weight, the combination of his athleticism and all those traits. because I just trust him. I just trust him as a blocker. I trust him that I can use him in line as a Y, or I can bump him back to the wing. I can flex them out.

I trust he's going to run routes and be where he's supposed to be. I'm not saying he's twitchy and all those things after the catch. He's not. But he's one of those guys who's where he's supposed to be and he's got more juice in him

and I saw it at the Senior Bowl and then he shows up at the Combine and he has a 10-6 broad jump which is 90-second percentile. And I want to remind you, with the RAS court, factors in your height, your weight, and all those different things. He has traits that can develop, and he came from an offense that didn't develop him with that quarterback, right? Yep. Here's the other thing I like about him, man.

Oh, I had so many. I've got this list. You know who his great uncle? He comes from a family. It was so deep. I didn't want to write it all down here, okay? Storytime. I'm not going to get into all the stories.

because where did he wind up getting drafted? Forty-niners. It didn't even matter with him. The Bears. The Bears. Oh. Hey, Tom. I know Tom's watching. My Chicago Bears fan. You're going to love this guy. By the way, Lovelin,

Commet, and now Rausch. Yeah. It's a pretty good group. Yeah. You think the chef's not going to whip up some different recipes with this look? With these ingredients? You know who his great uncle is? Who? Merlin Olson.

Okay. Do people know who Merlin Olson is anywhere? Probably not, but he's a pro football hall of favor. I don't think he was an actor. I don't think the Discord chat is full of people who know Merlin Olson's. Yeah. He was an actor, right, at the end? Yeah, he was an actor.

I've got a list somewhere of all the... Every single person in this young man's life is something special in athletics, like volleyball, soccer, basketball, football. Like, every... His family tree is wild. Right. To look from the stock he comes. Sam Roush is going to be, like, I just, I love the fact that it,

hey, good on the Bears, good on Ryan Poles to figure out how to evaluate some talent around here, you know? No, this is a great pick for the Bears. How about the tight end run, by the way? Pretty wild. We now have one, two, three, four, five that have gone since the 22nd pick in the second round. Started a little earlier than maybe we anticipated, but now it's rolling. You got nothing else you want to add on oatmeal, Sam Roush? I just, I think it's ridiculous to call them oatmeal.

Like, this is a dynamic player who can do almost everything in the game, and you name them after mush, which, by the way, no one ever wants. No one ever wants. You're empowered by David Chang. By the way, check on our episode. Star Chef. Yeah, I am empowered by that man. I'm telling you, you wake up in a cold morning and you're a lumber, you're going like lumberjacking, and you've got to cut down some wood and you're out in a cabin somewhere. You wake up in the morning, you've got to fill your loins.

That is the weirdest thing you're saying. But it's like, what do you believe? like, what's going to get you fueled for the day? It's my tight end that I trust and I rely upon. And he's not eggs Benedict, and he's not some fancy omelet with all, you know, and it's not something, it's not a, it's not a pancake.

He sure as hell not a waffle. He's sure as hell not a crepe. I don't need a crepe at tight end. I don't need something that gives me a little spurt of energy and it feels good and it tastes good. I need some substances. I rock and roll out into that field. And as a quarterback, I need oatmeal.

You can throw in some protein. If you need, you can throw in some bananas. You can throw in some... I like it with butter. Pour a little cream on, a cold cream on top of it, just a little touch of it. Let the butter melt, brown sugar, raisins, bananas.

That's what Sam Roush is. You lost me in the loins. Ramello Heights was drafted by the San Francisco 49ers. Tall, lean. Looks like a shooting forward, not a power forward, okay? He was the edge rusher opposite. And Mention is going to tell you all about him in a second.

Opposite David Bailey, who was the number two overall pick, highly productive player. I think drafted in about the right spot, maybe a touch early, but this is a San Fran team that needs speed off the edge. Yeah, it's a little early with some of the other edges on the board, but it's clearly a need. He's a little older.

He's almost 25 years old. Like Todd mentioned, he's lean. He's 6.3, 239 pounds, 32 and a quarter inch arms. This is not the frame that we're looking for. So how do you justify him going here? Well, he's quick. He closes well. And I think the biggest thing that you like for his game is at that height,

he really bends well. He can really shave the corner and get to the quarterback. Productive in college. I think some of that might be because he played opposite David Bailey. I think that probably helps. That entire defensive line is insane. You're not going to worry about, you're not able to worry about a Ramallah height as much as the other guys on that group. That kind of concerns me.

I like the player. I don't love the player. I mean, the production's good. Again, Benzwell, the frame's good. I think there's enough concerns to take him a little bit later. I think early day three would have been a better range for him. I mean, we had him at pick. We had him ranked as prospect 109.

Right. anyone in the like from here to 120 it's it's not but look at we have egregious but yeah go ahead Joshua Joseph's is still on the board Barham from from Michigan still on the board that's the guy that's the guy

that I would those are two guys you know yeah those are the two guys I would have definitely taken ahead of them but I love this pick up next for Washington and I love it for a lot of reasons and the name is Antonio Williams the position is wide receiver and the school is Clemson I think Antonio Williams

is among the top two or three best route runners in this class. I think Antonio Williams, outside of running out of his cleats sometimes, is one of the more underrated prospects in this entire class. Antonio Williams has this suddenness about him as a route runner that I appreciate. And I get it, like he's not the biggest guy, and he checked in at 5-11 and a half, and 187 pounds.

But he's not the smallest, right? He ran a 4-4-1-40, he had a 39-inch vertical, and the two things that I remember watching on tape that were different from him this year, right? I saw an aggressiveness after the catch. Like, that aggressiveness is accompanied with a confidence of plucking and already looking where it is up the field.

And then the other part that I really liked about him this year is I just, I saw a guy who played with an overall confidence in terms of initial play breaks down, find a soft spot, get back to my quarterback. Those two things were different in his tape. And what he always had was the production. What he always had was the great route running skills. He's 2.21 yards per route run over the past two seasons, really, really good. And is up near the top of this year's draft. production dipped last year compared to 2024, but who in Clemson,

offense or defense didn't, but I told you, he improved in those areas, and he also forced 14 miss tackles, and he averaged 5.3 yards after the catch for his career. Yeah. So while he's not

like the ultra, he's not, we're going to see Zach Branch get drafted soon. He's, right? He's not that. But my gosh, he had a drop rate 1.8% this past year. So he just didn't get as many opportunities, and he got dinged for this.

I think he comes in now in this offense at Washington, and it begs the question, like, he's starting right away, right? Yeah, oh yeah, he is. The thing I would just kind of, to back up your point a little bit, reinforce it, Clemson has some talent at wide receiver.

He might be the third most talented wide receiver Yeah, height, weight, speed, all that. Yep. He's the best wide receiver. Oh, no question. And I really believe that when he got hurt early in the season last year, it derailed the season for Clemson. He is such an important part of what they do and his ability to give the quarterback a safety blanket and make plays at key times that I think it really derailed their season when he wasn't in the lineup. Yeah, so I love that.

With the team, obviously, you've got a young quarterback in Jaden, Danvers. This is a critical year for him going into year three, right? And this is a critical time to put some weapons around him. And they spent the first pick as we expected that they could if he was available, Sunny Stiles sitting there at number seven was a dream for Dan Quint. But they had to come back and they've got to get a wide receiver and a difference maker. Terry McLaurin has got to play to the level this year and stay healthy. They've got Luke McCaffrey at Slot, who let's hope he becomes that guy.

I like Jay Lynn Lane. It's interesting, though, man. Like I always told David Blow, the new offensive coordinator, He's looking for physical, like, you know, like 6-2, those kind of guys. They don't get that. Trailing Berks, I guess, right now. They brought in Diami Jefferson. They brought in, sorry, Diami Brown and Van Jefferson.

I try to combine those two names. So, and they had 10 different receivers who caught a pass last year, but, but, like, Debo's nowhere to be found. He doesn't seem like he's coming back. I just, I think this is a team that desperately needs a reliable route runner and a guy who can create some after the catch just like they got in Antonio Williams. I think he's going to be a starter right away. And I think it's going to be one of the best things that happens to Jaden Daniels because I just believe in Antonio Williams. I think it's a great pick.

All right. After Antonio Williams. Sicario Davis. To the Bengals. I love that. It's a very interesting, but a great pick, I think. I love it. Do you want to tell us why?

Because he's one of the tallest, longest corners in this year's draft. So why is he available here? He's been through some ups and downs. He transferred. I don't think he played as well at certain times in his career as he did at certain times. I think it's been interesting to watch, right? The tight end Oscar Delp went one pick later to New Orleans. Let's come back to him in a second.

I promise you. That one's fascinating too. Ticario Davis has got this length and playmaking ability about him and he's got a history of and he's a lot like you got Prystock, you got Stoaks, like they have a type. Yeah, and it was Arizona to Washington with my guy. Jedfish. Jedfish, sorry.

Yep. So there's like this whole group of these big, tall defensive backs. And so Ticario Davis early in his career was like pegged as. is a first round prospect. He's going to develop into that, right? And he never really did. Led to Pac-12 and passes defended as a freshman. Right.

And so Davis, but I always, like, I never would give up on Davis because I see six foot three, six foot four, 194 pounds. He's got these long ass arms, almost 33 and a half inches. He runs a four-four-one. And so certain teams that want to play that cover one, the press company, like they are, like they have a need for this. kind of guy. So there's no chance he's getting out of the top 100. I recognize it up and down. But like the 50-50 going up and playing the ball in the air, I just, I've always thought that for some reason, I've always believed this guy could be a really, really good starting cornerback in the right scheme. I think this is going to be the right situation for him. But I've

always felt like something's going on where he didn't quite get to that. And hopefully he lands in a spot where he, I mean, he was banged up last year. And I think if he wasn't banged up, you would have seen more of, I think when Jetfish left, I think you're right on about that. That year at Washington, I mean, the year at Arizona before he went to Washington without Jedfish, this is a common theme with some of those players, by the way. Carrillo Davis. Yep.

Yep. And so now he ends up, I thought the tape was good. He just was banged up last year. And Jed Fish is obviously a quarterback coach, an offensive mind. That's how he threw. but he brought his staff with him and so that and the lack of continuity. It seemed like it affect many, several players. And we've seen both last year's draft and this year's draft.

But we like that pick a lot. We get two more picks to get to and they're both big name prospects. The next pick off the board that we haven't talked about yet is one that I love. It's interesting. Oscar Delp, when I say he's a different cat is a different cat. He's not made for everyone in terms like the, you know, what you're getting. and there's been some frustration in certain things, but Oscar Delp is an underrated talent,

who you've always kind of liked Munch, and I feel like... I always felt they should have used them more. I didn't understand. Whenever Georgia used their tight ends, I thought that's when they were most effective. And New Orleans, here's the deal with Oscar Delp. They don't, you don't get utilized the whole lot, and so it's 6, 5, 245 pounds with all this athletic ability.

His workout at the pro day, he went, what, like a 4? four fours. You're in the four-four, digest that. Four-fours at six-foot-five, two-and-fourty-five pounds. He can catch. He's got this straight line burst to him. He's, I don't, he's experienced as a blocker. He's competitive, but my gosh, he's inconsistent. Like, there's just a lot of ups and downs to him, but I think there's so much more to his game.

And I think this is a theme with a lot of these tight ends this year. Yeah, I hear you. It was interesting to me because I liked him. I thought he was going to go farther down the board because the productivity wasn't there. Then he has a great workout. Then it comes out that he's not for everyone. This was a player that I felt was yo-yoing. And ultimately, this is where he ends up.

But now you got Tyler Shuck, right? And you've got Kellyn Moore's scheme. And what I'm watching from him, he's running, doing a lot of what the tight ends do, but working like across the field, like crossers, right? And they utilize him sometimes just like balk, balk, bach, fuck, get out, right? And, like, when he's schemeed into space, he's an absolute threat. And there were a couple times on tape.

I remember running down, it's coming towards me. I forget which game, but he's coming towards me on the tape, but it's his right side, the offense is right side. They got him the ball, and he turns the corner, and it's like, yeah. And it's hard to find guys who can run after catch like that with the acceleration. He could run a play-action bootleg and hit in the flat, and all of a sudden you have a 20-25-year-a-game.

Kellyn Moore's kind of good at that. Did you see him with Dallas-daughter and Philly? Yep. Yep. Right? Yeah. A guy who's got a – not a great blocker, but experience in line, can do some of that stuff. Release.

Good frame. Kellen Moore wanted this guy for Tyler Shuck, and that's why I really like this pick for them. And they have Juan Johnson and Noah fan. I think this is a good addition. You're trying to find – You added Jordan Tyson the first round. You're trying to find guys that can make plays for your quarterback.

I think it's a good ad. I think it's a really good ad. All right. Your guy. Fields. Malachi Fields, senior bowl standout. All your guys are good drafted. I feel like you're on a little bit of a run here.

Thank you. Malachi Fields. This is where I was, you got to remember, Malachi Fields at Notre Dame, like a lot of Notre Dame receivers don't have great production, right? He comes to the Senior Bowl, and what I saw is a big, tall, towering wide receiver that everyone else could see, but what I was. I saw in his route running nuance. Really impressed me.

The tempoing, the leveraging. What do I mean? I'm not going 100. When you don't have great speed and Malachi Fields does not have great speed, you better tempo your route so that your fastest looks faster than what it is. And you also got to do a keep defensive backs off of, off of rhythm of what your speed is. So all of a sudden, when you burst into that top speed, which isn't super fast, but it feels faster as a defensive back.

And then you leverage your routes because you're a big-bodied receiver, right? And Malakad Fields is exactly that. A big-bodied wide receiver leverage your route so that you get a defensive back at an angle or a position where he can't come back through your frame, and your frame happens to be 6 foot 4 and 1⁄2 pounds with 32 plus inch arm-length.

And yes, he ran a 4-6-140. But I don't give a shit. No, I don't care either. He's six, four and a half, 220. This is a legit, this isn't like Chris Brasel who's going to get drafted a little later, a little later. This is a guy who

absolutely, and we got another one here who's coming up after Fields, who I'm referring to. Douglas. Caleb Douglas. Caleb Douglas from Texas Tech, who is a tall, long, lean, vertical receiver. This guy is physical, but he's

also kind of, I think, can run some routes. And so I like the player a lot. He does a beautiful job of attacking and tracking the football in the air. That catch he made. It was the one senior bowl catch, but we saw a few of them. Now, the analytical people will tell you, this guy absolutely sucks. Fewer than two yards per route run in his career, which isn't, like, that is a stat that drives the analytical people crazy. 26% of his career targets were contested, and his open target rate is one of the worst among the draftable receivers. This is. is what the analytical people are telling you. And that's, I get it. And you know what? A lot of times

they're right. And we'll get to Caleb Douglas in a second. So he's going to have to be Malachi Fields is for the New York Giants. He's going to have to be an analytics beater. Yeah. But you think Jackson Darts not going to like having this six foot four wide receiver? This is a great pick by the New York Giants. There are shades here of Miles Boykin, who the Ravens drafted out of Notre Dame in the third round. Okay. And Boykin, is faster. I think Fields is a better receiver. I think Fields is a better receiver

prospect coming out, but it's clearly something that Harbaugh values. He wants some size at the wide receiver position, and he gets that kind of player in Fields here. All right, we will get back to the Caleb Douglas. I basically gave you a quick rundown of who he is. I'm surprised he got drafted that early, quite frankly.

I thought that Reggie Virgil was a much better receiver coming out of Texas. I agree. We can get to that in a little bit. The Pittsburgh Steelers though just came on the clock, just made a selection in front of their hometown. And in the Steel City, they drafted a quarterback from Penn State in Drew Aller. And so to not ruin the excitement of the moment, I will let Steve Mench talk about Drew Aller, his traits and how he potentially could fit with the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Let's start with the frame. This is a big frame quarterback with a big frame quarterback with a. an absolute canon for an arm. If this was the 1980s, you'd be in love with this kid. The mobility is not great. He's, we say this. He actually scrambles better for a guy who's not a great athlete than you would expect. He can pick up some yards as a scramble,

but within the pocket, the mobility, he's kind of a heavy-footed dude. Todd will tell you that he cannot hit receivers on outbreaking routes. I do think that's- Not out-breaking route. Let Todd handle what Todd's going to say. Okay, all right, fine, fun. I think he's a little more accurate than Todd does.

I still think it's an issue. He's got to be more consistent. And honestly, this is a player that is coming off an injury. It didn't really get to finish his college career. But we kept waiting for him to elevate his game and get to another level. It felt like he might do that during the playoff run last year and never really materialized. So we're talking about a guy with all kinds of tools when you look at the frame and the arm strength. And again, experience, which we've talked about all night.

This guy's an experienced college football player. that's going to be one of the positives. But there are some red flags that would cost him to drop this far. He's big. He's got a strong arm. He's strong. He's tough.

He's competitive. He's all of those things. He is not mobile. There's no changing that fact. He is a, it's weird to, he's weirdly. What do we say? He scrambles well for a guy's not healthy? He's competitively athletic.

Like he, for so like he'll, as a scrambler, he'll take off and he, like, he'll break a tackle and he'll just stay on. his feet. He's got this like balance and coordination. He's a coordinated athlete who's just not any sorts of sudden and mobile. He won a lot of games. The first question I would ask is, I know leadership at the top was the problem for all of this. I'm talking from the highest ranking within the athletic department to the head coach this past year. But you're the quarterback. What the hell happened? That would be where I would start. The second part on the field that I'm concerned about is, and mention alluded to it, it took me a long, long time to figure out

what the issue was, and the issue is the result issue is anything going away from him. In-cutting, like, where he can, if he has to visualize it, he struggles to hit it, okay? In-cutting, comebacks, got jersey-facing, he'll just. Drill that strike, man. And he'll do it with, okay? Wheel route, which is a visualization throw. You have to have touch and you've got to have a feel, right? Kind of running back comes out and he goes up that seam.

Seam route, you've got to really be able to feel where to hit that because it's a tough, it's a tough throw. But then also, like, post corners, nine routes. You'll see on ESPN or NFL network, they'll show you some, like, deep throw. He had a few, yes. But I'm talking, if you dive into this tape, like I dove into Ty Simpson's tape and told you it's a different story

than what the national media is telling you, there's something wrong with the visualization. I'm talking swing routes. I can't remember a quarterback missing more of those. Now, does this mean Drew Aller can't be a good quarterback? No. And I recognize we have another pick here, Chris McClellan, Interior Defensive

lineman, a perfect Green Bay Packer. No, but Drew Aller needs some work. Now, I'll say this. Mike McCarthy's a really good guy for him to go with. And that situation with Aaron Rogers, and he's going to get pushed, right? They got Will Howard, who I actually, I like more. I take

Will Howard over Drew Aller, but they see something in a man, and I'm like, who am I to say they can't? And quite honestly, like, if they can't, fix that? If Mike McCarthy thinks he has the tools to fix that, I'm all for it. I just haven't seen it. And I'm not, like, I can't coach that. So I'm worried about that. And I'm also worried about what happened. Yeah. I think that's fair. I mean, again, I see the talent too.

Again, the frame, the arms tank, all of that. And you've done a good job in this draft of getting offensive tackle, Maxi and Autor. You've gotten the wide. receiver. I forgot who they got, but they got their slot wide receiver. I don't have a problem. I don't have a problem with them taking him here. I swear to God, I don't. And I know I'm not the biggest draw. This is the third round. You have a quarterback void. You have a Will Howard sitting there. But you can't say that. You cannot say that if you're saying that you would take Will Howard over him. I can say, I know this league long enough 26 years. I better take hacks when it's appropriate to take hacks in the third round. I wouldn't take Drew Aller.

I would have taken Cole Payton. I would have taken Cole Payton all day long. Cole Payton has more upside. Cole Payton can help me now in certain ways if I need, if I would like for him to be utilized as a runner, coming out of North Dakota State, the quarterback. So my pick would have been Col Payton. I get the Drew Aller thing because they must think that they know how to fix

what has been going on with Drew Aller, and they must think that he has everything in him. It's what McCarthy's looking for. So by all means, go take, and this is the right spot in the draft to do it before someone takes it. Someone takes them in the next 30 picks before you come back on the clock. So I don't have a problem with that. I don't have a problem even with them taking in because the quarterback position, Munch, is so specific to what you're looking for. So what's a great prize to me might not be a great prize to Mike McCarthy.

What McCarthy's looking for isn't what McVeigh is looking for. and it's not what a lot of the Shanahan tree guys are looking for, the McVeigh stuff, and even those guys can have different shades of the same color, you know? Yeah, I hear you, and I hear that he fits McCarthy better than he might other schemes.

Like, you can't, look, if you took a hack on Will Howard, right, you say you got to take hacks. They took Will Howard in what round? They took him in the six, six, six round. Six, okay, yeah. So they get him in the six round, and you got Mason, I mean, I don't know. You take him in the six round. Let's just stay there. You take a hack.

Has he worked out? I don't know. That was last year. I don't know. I don't know yet. Yeah. Can we maybe see if that hack worked out before we take a player in the third round that you don't really feel like that you don't really love? This is a new head coach and maybe he thinks that hack is not what he needs. I guess it's fair. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I think you find players that make an impact in the third round. And you have to be like, like we say with the running backs early,

you have to be in a position of luxury to do that kind of a thing. And I don't think the Steelers are there. I think the Steelers could have gone in another direction, got a player that's ready to help them now. And I think they've had a good draft so far. I love Jeremy Bernard and I love Maxine Ocho, two of my favorite players in the draft they've gotten. But now we're taking another middle round quarterback.

Yeah. And a guy you don't really love. No, I don't like Drew Aller. Yeah. I'm cool. I'm cool with him. I graded him in a place where I knew someone else could take him. That's essentially how I did it. But that doesn't mean he can't be good.

No, I hope he is. And McCarthy sees something. The fact that I'm actually pushed, I'm defending this. I know. I'm surprised by it. I don't, I don't, I don't, Drew Aller would never be a quarterback that I would draft, period. But Mike McCarthy sees something in him, and that's why they took him. I agree with your.

argument. Yeah. I also know this board really well. Yain't getting Drew Aller in the four, whenever their next pick is, unless it's in like five, ten picks. Yeah, I get it. So,

so, yeah, it makes sense for them. It wouldn't make sense for our organization. Let's put it that way. Let's get into McClellan. Okay. Douglas,

I mean, we got Miami fans. You want to talk about Caleb Douglas? Not really. I think you hit on it. I mean, he's a down. field guy, why reframe? Like, I don't even think he was the best receiver on his college team. I think that was Reggie

Virgil. I think that's just too early. I'll tell you what he does F. Speed. Yeah, but's... No, I'm just saying. And so there was a lot of things I didn't like about his tape. But as I scroll way down... Way down. No, I understand how low he is. I actually was going through the bottom

of the top 300 recently to make sure everything was in check. he ran a 4-3-9 and he catches the ball really well and he goes up and he gets but he's not physical he's lean he's 6 3 and a half he's 206 pounds

remember I was talking about Malachi Fields I said there's a lot of receivers here who have very good speed who are tall and lean he's one of them Fields has his thickness but he's not super he's not fast but he plays

a little bit of a different game but here's the deal Miami fans you've got a guy who can do two things really well. And Malik Willis. Scramble and extend plays, which I hope he's able to do and stay healthy this year,

and drill the ball down the field. And this guy, with his 439 speed and 15.7 yards per catch, and seven of his catches, seven of his 53 catches went for touchdowns, that's what he's going to be. He'll probably be your, at best, he becomes a. a number three vertical receiver but at worst

he's like a he's a four vertical right so like that but was it too high to draft him in my opinion yes what's interesting about it

is John Eric Sullivan they don't draft him in the first round they get no problem taking day two hacks they like tall speedsters right yeah

so let's see how that that plays out it's going to be interesting to see but what's also interesting about it to be quite honest with you

is washing through this thing in my brain as we go, is that's slow it down in Miami, and that's like an extension of the, of the McVeigh and, you know, this guy's anything but physical, competitive run after catch.

Yeah. So, yeah, we'll see how it works out. I think it's more fascinating from the way. I think that if you're looking at that kind of receiver, why not Chris Brasel, and that says to me that there are concerns about Chris Brasel, and that's why he's falling. All right, AJ Halsey,

just an absolute thumper, dude. Way plus character goes to Indianapolis to pick 14 in the third round, okay? With the instincts to play the ball. Zachariah Branch. I want you to get, I want you to get Halsey ready for me right now. Chris McClellan will start. We're going to work in reverse order and get you caught up. The 13th pick of the third round is Chris McClellan.

I told you, I was ripping through all these interior defensive alignment. This was like the dog days of early. Spring, right? And I'm watching Nick Barrett from South Carolina, Daryl Jackson, Caleb Proctor, both the Texas A&M guys, Halton, Regis from A&M, Duran. There's so many Benny, Xavierin Harris, Bryson, Eason. I was watching all these cats, right? McClellan was interesting because you keep seeing a flash or two of this pass rush ability. but and you see six sacks which is more than a lot of these other guys had and you see 87 tackles and 14 tackles for loss and eight and a half sacks over two seasons he's got this

appealing blend of six foot four three hundred and thirteen pounds and a five oh five forty which perfectly suitable right um everything with him though starts with leverage if you can Green Bay get him to play with leverage. It's not the extreme of banks, but he's not the extreme talent of Caleb Banks. But it's a very similar viewing experience where he could rush the quarterback

and not many of these guys from Caden McDonald's to Peter Woods. There's not many of these guys who actually can rush the quarterback. He can. That's why Green Bay drafts him at Pick 13 in the third round because they see some past rushability.

And they've had some pretty good history of developing those front guys. So I like where he winds up in Green Bay. A little early, but I had him in that late third, early fourth range. So I have no problem with that. Take us through Halsey and the fit there with the Colts. I like it. I'm curious to hear what you have to say.

Listen, he's not the greatest athlete. He doesn't have the greatest frame. He's just a shade under six feet. Short arms, 30 and 7 to 8s. Ran a 4 or 5-2. None of that is going to really pop out to you. But what I love about him is the production, both in terms of a run defender and his instincts as a playmaker.

And let me just, let's get into the run stuff a little bit first because he does miss some tackles, but this dude is productive. Second most solo tackles in the Big 12 when he was with Houston in 2020. He had the third most solo tackles in the SEC last year. He makes a ton of play. When he was a true freshman at New Mexico in 2022, he had a 24 tackle game. He is a maniac in terms of chasing the run. His angles got to get better.

He gets caught up. every once in a while, but it's not for a lack of toughness. This guy's a downhill thumper. Then he has eight interceptions over the last two years. He has a really good feel when he jumps up in kind of that robber coverage underneath of reading the quarterback and finishing when he gets a chance to make the play. He's a really solid value at this point because I think he's a guy who's going to turn. Might be a number three safety to start his career, but I think he'll turn into a starter early on.

And we recognize everyone who's watching live with us. So we're keeping you up with the picks. Jacoby Lane was just drafted, so we had back-to-back former USC-wide receivers, one of them most recently in Zachariah Branch, played at Georgia after transferring from there, who was teammates with Jacoby Lane, who was the pick at 16 overall in the third round to the Baltimore Ravens. Branch went to Atlanta pick earlier, though, and I want to talk about this. Zachariah Branch was one of my favorite. He was all satellite team. He was the number one man. of my all-satellite team. I love these guys. You know I love slot receivers. I get grossed out by a couple things.

I get grossed out by people who are so lazy in their evaluation of players that they don't go back and study the USC tape to realize that he's not a gimmick. So stop putting gimmick by Zachariah Branch's name just because he's 5-8 and 5-8s of an

inch and 177 pounds. If you know how to evaluate a talent, and you see his ability to get in and out of breaks, and you see his lower frame and how strong he is, and you can tell that this young man can actually run routes. Just because he was used as a gimmick in certain situations doesn't mean he's a gimmick, so stop saying that. The other thing that just makes me frustrated is this off-the-field thing, man. Now he's painted in this bad light when, like, if you really do some diving into that report,

No. He's a good young man. Everywhere he's been people in the building love him. No issues with that. Now, he's undersized and he's going to be a slot. And Zachariah Branch in Atlanta, I think, I mean, they've got to get the quarterback situation figured out obviously. But we talked about it earlier and I thought that they should have taken a wide receiver. Well, I'm thrilled. I didn't think they should have taken a wide receiver. I thought there was an opportunity to. I love there. Remember we said Ian Cunningham in the first draft, recognized that they were, who was their pick earlier? Was it an interior defensive lineman because they knew that they were going to run out? Or maybe it was a

lineback or whatever position it was, it was the fact that it was going to run out. But now they come back in the third. We said he can get one in the third, and he got one that's a perfect compliment to the big, tall, down-the-field former USC-wide receiver and Drake London, right? Right. He's going to come in and it's going to be laughable with like Jahan Dolly. And even Zakias, who's a nice role player, Branch is going to come in. He's going to make a big impact right away.

You look at the two seasons at USC, 78 catches, 823. You know the first rounder? Remember him, Mikey Lemon who went? He outperformed him when they were both freshmen there at USC. He winds up transferring this last year, and he's absolutely electrifying. When he catches the ball, he doesn't even need space. It's like, ch-ch-ch-ch. Like

The last couple years I don't know if there's a guy And pound for pound This guy is one of the strongest guys In the entire draft He is like I'm telling you the lower body strength The ability to absorb

Side contact Maintain his balance Not Luke After the catch In the return game Hand him the ball Screen game All this stuff

He I love him I love Zachariah I know you And it made me so pissed off That there was that negative news because somebody didn't want him on a curb somewhere. And I'm sure he was probably given attitude. And I'm sure there was probably a reason that he was giving attitude

because it probably had been pent up over some stuff. But at the end of the day, to put anything negative about this young man from a character standpoint is an injustice, okay? And so Atlanta gets a great player, a great young man, and I'm excited to see what happens with his career there when they get the quarterback situation figured out. And hopefully Michael Pennix is able to get him the ball.

I'm done with my rant. You can take the next picks. Not like it when you back up your guys. Yeah. It's good. Let's go to Chacobby Lane. Another wide receiver from USC, as you just mentioned. I'm so pissed.

Albert Regis, sorry. Albert Regis just got drafted. The other interior defensive line, and I just railed on Gladstone from Jacksonville from their first pick. I like this pick later. The only reason I say it was piss because I wanted to put in the top 100,

and I didn't have the onions to go through with it. Go ahead. Okay, we good? Yes. Okay, thank you. Jacobi Lane from USC. Baltimore clearly needs a receiver. I think they needed a bigger receiver.

You're going to get that in Jacoby Lane. He's 6-4-200 pounds. He ran a 4-47 40-inch vertical, oozing talent. I think a lot of people coming into the season thought that he was going to be the first receiver from USC off the board and could potentially go in the first round when you look at that talent. And he is a big play guy. He can create after the catch. He can stretch the field vertically.

So why is he here now? and the answer to that is he doesn't play quite to the size he's not great in contested situations in 50 50 situations he's not a aggressive tenacious blocker you want him to be a little more physical he's going to a place in Baltimore they're going to demand that of him

and hopefully they're able to bring that out of him but when you're looking at talent this kid could turn into a steel if he can get into being a better route runner if he can get better in contested situations and he becomes a better blocker Yeah, I think you said it well. There are just some other receivers.

Yeah. That are, like, Bryce Lane. Ted Hurst. Ted Hurst. My guy. That's the problem there. But, you know, Baltimore, they have a great track record of drafting receivers. Is that serious?

No. They got Zay. Zay's good. The last one they got is good. They did. I'm messing around. For as great an organization as they are. It's not been a great hit list.

It's not a great hit list of wide receiver. Can a new guy? Albert Regis, I'm not going to go on a long rant. Everything I said about Oneitam is similar in terms of... It was just refreshing because I'm watching all these interior defensive linemen. Some are tall, some are long. Some have this quickness. They have great workouts, all these different things, right?

But some of them are penetrating. They're all over the place. But a lot of them are raising their pads. They've got gaps sound. Then I get to Regis and it's like a coach's clinic. Where do he get drafted? Let's talk about that, Jacksonville. I just think he's going to come in,

and he's never going to be a star for your defense, and he's never going to do anything but his job. You need glue guys like this. You need guys you can count on. I'm telling you, every single snap I saw him play, I saw three things. The first one, he fired his ass off the ball, like it was the last snap of his career.

He was in the gap he was supposed to be in and like, do what, fine, knock me over, take me down. I am a captain of a ship and I will sink with this thing because this is my gap. And coach told me I got to be in this gap so it's over. And if I didn't go down with the ship by the time that war is over, I am going to fight my ass off so hard and chase and chase and chase. I can't give this guy more love while recognizing some physical limitations. But like, yeah, he's 6-1. He's 2-95. We've seen other three techniques, and he ran a 4-88.

I love the pick. I just love the pick. I love the player. I was worried he wasn't going to get drafted high enough because, you know, there's two sacks. There's three TFLs. There's not this, like, big, but he played behind a bunch of guys. Yeah. Right?

And he finally got his shot, and he just did everything right. So I didn't love Jacksonville's first pick, but I really like this pick. I love it. Do you think Minnesota is serious about shoring up? their front. Talk to me. I mean, they get Caleb Banks in the first, which could be a reach, could be a home run. We'll see what happens there. Most talented

player in the draft, baby. Then you get Jake all day in the second round. And then you go out and you get Big Citrus. Big sit. Dominique Orange. From Iowa State, who is 6-2. I like 6-2 defensive tackles, by the way. It means a low center of gravity.

They're tough to get under. 322 pounds. He's got good length of 33-3-inch arms. 10 and a quarter inch 10 and a quarter inch hands. What are we talking about here? We're talking about a guy who is going to

clog up the middle and make life difficult for interior offensive linemen to get any kind of movement also to get any kind of bodies up to the second level because he's going to, if you try to block him with one,

he's going to beat the one. If you try to block him with two, he's not going to give much ground. He's that guy. He's not going to be a great pass rusher, but this is a dude that's going to step in right away and help your run defense.

You know what I found interesting about him when I was watching his tape? The less you use, use him. This isn't like shocking news, but the less you use him, he, if you don't use him a ton, he actually is a pain in the ass as a pass rusher. Really? He actually, he's got more juice there. But here's the thing, like you can't, you can't do it, right? I recognize. I'm just saying, like, if you wound up in some, and by the way, the league is not run on first down, pick up three, stay on schedule, run on. I'm saying he's going to be out there at times. Yeah. Early in

down early in a game and he's going to shock some people with it's going to be this and he's not going to be like I promise you but he's going to get and he's got enough driving his leg when early in his career in 2023 he had like an 11 point what was the number I wrote I put this in the report 13.6% pass rush win rate in 2024 yeah it's this pretty good for big sit yeah okay but no he he's everything mensch said but again it was so refreshing watching his tape compared, not refreshing, there was just something about him. Like, oh, that's a man.

That is an NFL man who will not be pushed around. And he's not this big guy who raises his pads. He is coming in, like, lunch pail, and you're not going to move me. So you better run over there or you better run over here. But, like, this part of the field is, like, it's off limits today, folks. He's, I like them. There's value there. But, yeah, talk about trying to force.

fortify a front, huh? Yeah. I mean, that is clearly the mandate there. That is clearly the plan. I love what they've done. I am fascinated by the next pick. We just brought up the name. Dan Morgan and Carolina Panthers

take Chris Brasol. You sneaky. The second. You sneaky son of a gun, Morgan, huh? I'm going to let you handle why he might be here. Do you want to get into that first? You want to get into the player? Immaturity.

Immaturity. Yeah. There's immaturity. There's immaturity. There's also immaturity. of like, is he developed yet as a receiver? But the immaturity is, let's just call it that. But at the end of the day, you got Bryce Young at quarterback,

who's not an alpha dog, but you've got a locker room that it feels like. And Ted Rowan McMillan is now the alpha dog in that wide receiver room. And, yeah, and Dan Morgan's your general manager. Is this them giving up on Xavier Leggett the first round? from 24? Absolutely. Yeah, right? Yeah.

And I love, Chris Brousel is one of my favorite. If you would go back to the season, I watched Chris Braslin that Georgia game, and I had no one had talked. I was like, that's a first round talent, right? Yeah. And here he is in the Georgia Rout. The Georgia tape is ridiculous. The Georgia tape, there was that one route that everyone has shown now, but I remember

watching it in the time, like September or October, and hit, at 6'4, 200 pounds, you're not supposed to be able to run 4-3 in a straight line and then, like, drop. Like take your hips and go like that. And he does. And he turns the Georgia defensive cornerback around, like full turn style. Outright catching on the sideline. He does some special things on tape, folks. And you think about a shorter quarterback getting to throw to these like giraffes on the outside.

Yeah. And one of them now runs in the four. What did he run? A four three, two or something stupid. Yeah. This is an intriguing one because Tetero and McMillan, there's a lot of balls up in the air, contested stuff. This guy can fly. 437.

He's dynamic. Yeah. Now, I'll say this, Tett's got to go up and do the contested stuff. That's not his game. Right. But if you want to start rolling coverage as the Tets out of the field, that's the problem. You better have a corner who could run, man. That's the problem.

But I did see him secure a ball. He takes some big hits and catch the ball. He's got this acrobatic way about him. He'll go up and make some tough catches. The beauty with Brazzles, you can't out-throw him and you can't really overthrow him, okay? And so I think if he continues to develop as a route runner, he's got a chance to be a real impact player.

I love this pick for them. I agree. I want these tall receivers for my shorter quarterback, the catch radius, all of it. I think it's great. Yeah, I mean, if you're looking at the maturity issue, you're doing a risk versus reward analysis, and you feel good about your locker room,

this is how the board falls to you. I think it's a great pick. It's taking advantage of who's available. His big playability, like, there's just, there's a lot. Yeah, there's a lot to like. So I think that that's a home run at this portion of the draft, 19 picks in to the third round to get a crisp brazil. I think we've got up.

I feel, oh, here we go. The other big play receiver, the other vertical receiver. This is awesome. This is where that run happens, right? These big, these tall receivers. We had Malachi Fields. We had a surprise in Caleb Douglas from Texas Tech. Then we see our little ch-ch-ch-chai, Zachariah Branch, but also had Jacoby Lane.

Now it's Brazel. Now it's Hearst, and Hurst goes to Tampa Bay. And good Lord, could Baker use another. wide receiver. Mike Evans leaves town. We know we got a Mecca, Buka, can't spend an early pick. But Ted Hurst absolutely

jaws on the floor. Watch this tape, folks. Senior Bowl. He's from Georgia State. Smallest, and they sucked. It wasn't like this awesome program. Four and 20 over the last two seasons. Four and 20 over the last two seasons.

How is this kid still there? But Drew Fabianich and the Senior Bowl staff and NFL scouts, they'll find you. They'll find you. He had 127 catches for 1965 yards, average over 15 yards per catch. Now, you want to talk about Underwood was tough, and Sanford quarterback was tough, and Texas A&M quarterback. Like, there are some quarterbacks that couldn't throw and get him the ball.

I'm telling you, those numbers are pretty remarkable, considering what he was working with. He's 6-4-206. He's got almost 33-inch arms. He ran a 4-4-2. He was the best wide receiver at the Senior Bowl. I agree. Malachi Fields had the best moments.

Ty Montgomery, who we love and is probably going to get drafted in the seventh round or undrafted Free Agent, and the great story was up there. Definitely caught some attention that week. The best receiver beginning to end of the week was, again, was Ted Hurst from Georgia State. And the beauty is, I went back and I watched, he had 41 yards on four receptions in games against Ole Miss in 2025, Georgia Tech, 2024, JMU in 2024. But he had four other games against these top opponents, right,

where he was awesome. 356 yards on 24 catches. Vandy in 24 and 25, James Madison in 25, and Memphis in 25. So it's kind of a wash, like, can he get it done against that competition when he comes to the Senior Bowl and does it? Exactly.

So that, like, well, there were some games that he didn't, but he did in many other games, and he did at the senior bowl. Players with that frame, receivers with that frame, who can win at the line of scrimmage, I love them. And he's got the foot speed to get, he can win at the line.

He can get off press. You saw it even in his right. That's what we saw during the week. Yep. And yeah, you're right. It's hard to find guys who can do that. Now he's got to get more physical. He's got to get stronger.

And he'll have time to do that. But Tampa Bay, I think, look at, Tampa Bay situation. They believe strongly and they should in a Mecca-A-A-A-A-A-A-Bucca. Yep. Mike Evans is gone. Mike Evans is gone, and I don't know what you're getting out of Chris Godwin, right?

Right. Jalen McMillan, like, Tess Johnson. Jaylen-McMillan, those guys are fours. They're a little farther down the depth chart, ideally. You need a size outside guy that can bring vertical, and Baker certainly has the arm to get it to him. This is going to be an interesting year for Tampa Bay. I don't know which way this is going to go. I'll be honest with you.

Really? They're either going to pick up where they left off early last season and get things back on track, or I could see this not going very well. It seems like something. It's a pivot point for Tampa this year. It's a pivot point for Tampa, and I think Ted Hurst is a player that will help them avoid anything negative

that could be kind of, you know? Yeah, I hear you. No, no, I hear you. I think it's a lot of people are seeing it the same way. Well, the defense had to get younger. and faster. The defense was hard to watch towards the end of the year, right? Yeah. The offense, it felt like there was

some strife, and a lot of of it's because they've had so many injuries at receiver and all these moving parts and all that. Bucky's got to be healthy. They've got to run the football, and Amecca's got to stay healthy. They were different when Bucky was healthy, and they were in the... Dude, Bucky's so good. Totally.

So there's enough in place, but it feels like it's like teetering on the edge of it could go this way or it could go that way. And we saw it in one season, it was going this way and then it was going that way. All right, what do we got next? Dailen Everett to Pittsburgh.

Very interesting pick because you're talking about a corner who was 6'1 and a quarter inch tall, 31 and 7.8 inch arms, which is a good length. And then ran a 438, which surprised me a little bit, but he ran really well. Inconsistent tape, I think, is fair.

Made some plays in big moments. I think he can show up. But the tape is up and down. But if you look at the 2024 tape, it's better. In 2025, he was getting moved in the slot. He had such a rough start to the year that I think he was losing snaps. We're talking about a three-year starter at Georgia. I like it here because there's enough tools for him develop into

a starter in time for Pittsburgh. Yeah, I don't disagree. I mean, it's hard to find guys with length, toughness, experience, and speed. Right. That's a tough combination to find. and I think Pittsburgh is, you know, obviously it's a new coaching staff, but Pittsburgh has always done a good job of developing those kind of guys over time, right? Yep. Like you said, it's been up and down, but this is like where,

this is exactly where we thought he was going to come off the board. It's a really good pick by the Steelers, and certainly there's a need that, like, adding depth in guys in the secondary was a priority coming into this draft. Then we've got, who is that, Cleveland. Dude, I love this pick. Go ahead. Rock with it. You get Austin Barber here.

You've already got Spencer Fano in the first round. Now you go out and get a right tackle on Austin Barber. And look, I get it. He's nowhere near the pass blocker that he is in the rum blocker. And we'll get into that right now. And that he's got shorter arms at 33 and eighth inch arms. It's just Miami and Texas A&M, don't watch those tapes if you're of a Cleveland fan tonight. Just don't watch those tapes.

It's tough. Cash just ruined him. Well, he didn't ruin him. He just got drafted on day two of the NFL draft. I'm saying that day. But I promise you this guy's got talent. This is what I will say about him. I took you off track, but I just couldn't get that.

It was like a nightmare out of that. Keelon Ruttlich and this guy might be the two best run blockers in this draft. Really? I think Austin Barber is a guy who will get after you. He plays with a tenacity. He's also an experienced SEC tackle. You have got to improve your offensive line if you're Cleveland. I think this is the best tackle you're going to get at this point in the draft.

I love that you go out and take a swing. If he can figure it out in pass, bro, he's going to be a very good player. Over Yawane? Over. Oh, yeah, you're right. You're right. Thank you. Sorry, I'm just being a dick.

Yeah, no, I'd love to do it to you. You're like, hey, how's a taste, Mitch? How's that feel? Yawani, too. No, I'm joking. In this guy. Yeah. Yes, I get your point is well taken.

He's an outstanding run blocker. He's an outstanding run blocker. He's an outstanding run blocker who had some miserable moments. But coming into the year, I promise you, like, scouts were talking about him potentially at first round. Yeah. So there's so much talent to work with there. I'm just impressed, man. Like, it's hard to explain in a football world with all football people, right?

When you've got this, it's not an outlier. We've seen more and more with like the analytics and all that. But, like, people are always kind of like, yeah, they're the most analytically driven team in the National Football League, which is kind of like code for, I don't know, like, we just kind of like, we watch the tape. We're football guys, you know. And they've had so many mistakes. It's easy to poke the bear, right?

Yeah. But I just, I really appreciate what they've done in this past draft and what they're doing again in this draft. And I actually appreciate the fact, like, let's get our shit straight. Let's stop getting, like, you know, we took the quarterback in the third and the fifth round last year. We'll take some hacks, right? And we'll see if it works out.

But let's get this offensive line right so that in 2027 we can get our quarterback if Shador is not the guy. And let's give Shador a chance to win this job, man. And let's bring in another weapon we talked about, right, a wide receiver. Let's bring in an offensive tackle that Mention just talked about in the third after bringing in an offensive tackle in the first. And so now all of a sudden with Casey Concepcion and Spencer Fano and now with Barber, and the third. Now we're talking about the two things we have to have to allow a quarterback to succeed. And I also want to remind people Zion Johnson, Elgin Jenkins, Titus Howard.

That was their splash in free agency this offseason. There is a commitment in Cleveland to whether it's Shador or Deshaun or a 2027 draft pick or Dylan Gabriel, the third round pick from last year. Whoever is in there taking a snap over the next couple of years is going to be in a better position than the schmuck or the schlepping and the the lard that was around that quarterback position. Just disgust. Think about what Cleveland has had offensively personnel wise.

Yeah. And Kevin Stefansky can actually coach. Yeah. But they never gave him a quarterback and they never really had enough around the quarterback. So that's how Baker Mayfield winds up going and becoming Baker Mayfield down in Tampa. for a couple stops getting away from there, right? Yeah. So my point is, I like the way this is head in Browns fans.

They're actually doing the things you need to do to get your franchise in position when the quarterback is in there to make a run at this thing. And listen, you've got to give us your door a chance to win it and prove a lot of people wrong. And prove some people in your building wrong, you know? I agree, man. If you're going to evaluate the quarterback, put him in a position.

to evaluate them. Yeah. You can't evaluate a guy who's, you know, it's, you know, in a way it's how I talk about Lenora Sellers being in South Carolina. Tough to evaluate that kid when he doesn't have a lot of help. All right, the dolphins come back up. There's two picks that have, oh, two picks that I like here.

We don't have to go long on the dolphins pick. 23 is Kazmarik, the tight end from Ohio State. Then Emmanuel Pregnan, one of our favorites. I'll let Mench handle it. I just like his tape a lot. I thought he was the third best guard in this class. Our second best guard in this class. Yep.

Keelan Rutledge, you could put him 2A, 2B. But here he is sitting in the third round. We both like him, and I'll let Mench get to him in a second. Casmeric is an easy one. Casmeric, you'd think he'd wind up in Chicago, right? Casmeric is the blocking tight end. The Max Clare's comes in from Purdue

with the four, six speed, and the ability to run down the seams and create after the catch. Run crossers, I should say, and create after the catch. Casmeric, they're letting him catch the ball a little bit here at the senior ball, because that's what you do. It's a showcase all-star game and allow them, as you can see, the offensive line and not

have him to really protect, allow him to get his hands on the ball. That's not what he did in college, man. My boy lined up. He had 15 catches this past year for 168 yards. Anyone who wants to do that math, it's 11 yards per catch. He is the big, strong, casmeric of a man, if you know what I mean. He's just, he looks how his last name sounds, how he, like, and he plays the exact, he's played 53 games, 28 starts, which is hard to start when you're just a blocking tight end for the most part. But he runs a 474, and that's not ugly, right?

And he's got a 36-inch vertical shows that lower body explosion. He's among the best, if not the best, blocking tight ends in this class. And so Miami's now looking at it, right? and they're going to need to line up and they're going to need to be able to run the football. They've got a mobile quarterback. They've got to be able to pound it and they've got to take some pressure off

and hope they hit on some big plays here and there as they build this roster up and there's a lot of buildings still to do. But I like the direction because I do think Kazmarik is a, I don't want to call him a starter, but he's, can't get to the M's here. I'm just looking at their situation. You got Dulcich who just did a small,

deal to come back. And then there's Ben Sims from Minnesota. They're just guys. They don't have anything. Yeah. So now Casmerich comes in as a late third round pick, and he's going to be, whether it's a starter or whatever it is, he's going to be in your two-tight-end package starter, and he's going to be a damn good

blocker. And he'll catch some short underneath stuff when you need them. That's it. He's a plus guy in the locker room, which they need. They need to change the entire environment and cultured out. It was fun watching him as a blocker because all these other guys, but he had power and leverage, and he just loved finishing. Yeah.

All right, go ahead. Pregnon, Emmanuel Pregnon from Oregon. He's kind of an interesting cat when you watch him on tape because the way he run blocks is he plays with a wide base and he almost catches guys. He doesn't explode off the ball into them. And what's interesting with those kinds of offensive linemen is usually they are wall-off, positional blockers.

I'm just going to, you know, we're going to stay at the offensive line. I'm not going to let you out of here. He keeps moving his feet once he's in position and he moves defensive linemen out of the gap. He is a powerful dude. He's got good length at 33 and 5 eighth inch arms. You see this in the passing game when he can get his hands inside and he locks out and locks down guys. I just think he's not an elite athlete, but the tape is really good.

I thought he had a chance to maybe go late first, and here we are in the third. The one thing that maybe other teams were concerned about that I see on tape is he gets top heavy and he falls off some blocks late. So maybe that's what they were seeing. But I think the overall body of work of being a powerful drive blocker, a guy can wall off guys and get the position in the zone game, and then he's really effective. He has 11-inch hands, and when he latches on with those big hands, you're not getting out of that, man. It's like a boa constrictor.

You're just not getting away from him. There's too much good here for him to have lasted as long, in my opinion. I think it's a great pick for Jacksonville. I do, too. Tuck, when you guys get a chance, not the second, but at some point in the next three or four picks, I would like to, oh, yes. No way. This is going to be a wild.

I'll ride. Throw out the top 100s this year, I think, a little bit, right? Yeah. Keon Black, who we absolutely love. Kalen Black, from Indiana, who we absolutely loved at the Senior Bowl. As you see him catching the ball as a receiver, as Ments so aptly put the way he hugs, blocks as a runner. He's just efficient and reliable, man. Oh, look at that. Little R.J. Harvey right there.

Not invited to the Combine. Not invited to the Combine. How? Hey, hey, Combine. bleep you. You know what I mean? Yeah. It happens every year. About 18 per 17, 18% of players that get drafted every single year were not invited to the combine.

I always say that, and I'm not disparaging what the combine does. It's run by the, it's run by like the NFL teams are submitting all the players they want, and it's 323 players. Go to the combine on average. and 256 or 257 draft picks this year. It's always right around there. We have 257 draft picks this year, okay? But Kalin Black was the number one player on our board

that did not get invited. And I'm thrilled to see him drafted. It's like for him. It's got to be so deflating, man. Yeah? To be on the national championship team. And I'm sharing carries with another very reputable, awesome back in Roman Hemby.

And Hemby gets invited to the Combine and I don't. And now I get picked in the 26 pick in the third round. You talk about putting a stamp on. Now, there is this strong argument that San Francisco is taking it back entirely too high. And I'm here for that. I'm not giving John Lynch a pass. But R.J. Harvey was taken too high last year. The thing is with these backs is you decide which one you want and you go get them.

I think this is really high. And there's a history there of doing some stuff like that. But Kaelin Black, the shiftingness, the pass blocking, the reliability as a receiver, and the efficiency as a runner really stood out to me. And San Francisco, honestly, you're going to need. depth and we're going to need to be getting some, you know. Yeah, I don't know where you're getting the passing game. That's the thing, I think.

I think you've got Christian McCaffrey. You don't need a whole lot of. I agree. But I think that maybe that's why players. Watching him catch the ball at the senior ball, I was a little bit more intrigued by him as an outlet. That's what I love. That's what you're saying there.

Yes. And I think that's really important because there's a conversation that he had with some of these players of what they did in college and what they can do in the pros. And just because I think it's true about generic and Price. even though I thought that was early for him as well. He didn't have a lot of carries. He didn't play a big role in the passing game. It doesn't mean they cannot do that in the pros.

I remember James White went to Wisconsin and we're like, oh, is James White going to be a good receiver? He's one of the best receiving backs in the history of the league. So you do your homework. When you're working these guys out, how does he catch the ball? Is he natural tracking it? They must feel good enough about him as a receiver to take him here. Interesting pick right before that, too.

I don't want to gloss over for the Bears fans. Wow. Zavian Thomas did not... Second fastest at the combine? LSU had all these wide receivers, man. None of them really stepped up in the moments. You know, I just felt like they had a bunch of guys who were really fast, but never really were the guy.

Right. Zavian Thomas, though, blew it away at the combine. 5-10, 190 pounds. third fast as 40 at the combine, period, regardless of the position. It was second fastest I believe at wide receiver, but it doesn't matter. Yeah. You're drafting him. Obviously, Keenan Allen's gone.

Do you have burdened? You have Romadunes A. Here's the thing. When a pick like that comes in and I'm like, you know what? There's so many other receivers I would have drafted before him. And then I look at the offensive coordinator, essentially, who's also the head coach. and I just think to myself he's got a plan

so that's gonna work out yeah do you know what I mean yeah I do I think it's early like you said but you're right when you look at who's taking him they I mean they are the last two years

loading up on weapons oh loading up I mean you think about Colson Loveland Luther Burton June Zay they got the year before I believe right I mean they have just that offense has a potential to be

insane when you look at their tight ends of Colson Lovelin and Colquamette and I forget who was who was the titan they drafted Sam Roush Sam Roush Don't you ever forget

Yeah I'm just I'm looking They started with Thinaman Yeah I mean great first night Great first pick Didn't think that he would fall And they wind up getting some nice pieces like Roush there.

Xavier on top, yeah, it's too early for me, but like, get used to it. It's a theme, so we should probably get over it, right? There are some players that are typically later that are coming off the board earlier. But all in all, like the top 60 or so players that we had in this class are gone. Actually, 73, 74, the vast majority of the first 77 are off the board. So now it's like it was absolutely expected in this class. best, there's going to be some wild picks. Jermon McCoy, that's a very good point.

And he's going to probably, as long, you have to guess he's the top on our best available, right? As long as he, yeah, he's going to be there until a team deems it. Chris Bell is coming off the injury at Louisville, and also there's some maturity growing up this got to go on. Jermann McCoy is considered one of the great teammates and a tough guy, and everyone loves him there. He just has an injury that is concerning to NFL teams. And when you're drafting in the first three rounds, there's like levels, right? In the first three rounds, you're expecting something. You're expecting whether it's the first round, a full-time starter and, you know, to be an impact player. Second round, you're hoping for a high-impact player. Worst case,

you're getting a solid starter in some spot, and these are obviously varying on position. third round, maybe it's a nickel corner. Maybe it's a number three or four, number three receiver. And so as the rounds go down, there's less expectation based off of history, and it varies per draft. So with Jermod McCoy, who legitimately, in 2024, the best tape of any cornerback in this class in a given season, and he's shifting, he's oily hips, and he's fast, and he's tough, and he's a press man corner, he's everything, four three speed. He ran a 4-3 recently.

So it's not like he's on crutches. They just got a medical report, though, that's not very favorable. And we talked about this openly, and it is what it is. It's a very unfortunate situation for McCoy. But we saw Will Johnson fall to the second round last year. It just tells you that teams are even more concerned about this knee injury than Will Johnson's. Because, quite frankly, I'll be honest with you, McCoy's a much better cornerback than Will Johnson. I'm just going to be honest.

When they're both at their best, he just is. So, yeah, it's unfortunate. So we'll see where he falls. And until a team takes a chance on him, maybe it's later in this. Typically, when this happens, quite honestly, it's probably going to be the fourth round. But I hope for his sake that we hear his name before the end of the night. So throw that board back up if you don't mind. And I know we get, oh, okay.

No, never mind. Tray Zoon. Jay, we got. Tray Zune's interesting. I'll just get into this very quickly. No, you, you. I want you to go there. Just to keep people updated.

We talked about the Kaelin Black, the running back to San Francisco. We love surprise it's this early, but an interesting pick for the 40-nighters. Tray-Zoon, offensive center guard or tackle, however you want to look at it. And Munch will get to him in a second. Excuse me. It's drafted by Las Vegas at pick 27 in the third round. And then J-Shon Barnum, Barham, for. from Michigan, the other Michigan edge,

I think is going to be a better pass rusher in the league. Got drafted right after that to Dallas. Oh, I love that pick for Dallas. And then Tros to the offensive tackle just got drafted. So go ahead.

Tros. Zoon? Can I talk about Zune? Zune, yeah. Trey Zoo the 3rd. This dude started 50 games in college. He's an all-SEC left tackle. He doesn't have the length. to stay out there at 32 and a half inch arms.

The assumption was that he was going to kick inside the center and he played a hundred snaps or a hundred snaps or so at center this year. So he did get some experience and I spent a long time going through that and looking at, well, the mechanics of the position of playing center will he be able to

snap and the accuracy and the snaps improved over the course of the year and I think he'll be able to make all the line calls. He's going to Vegas. They decide Tyler Linderbaum. He's not playing center. Yeah. So they must have drafted him to play guard. I think he's a really good player who's played out, who played a little bit out of position in college. He's athletic enough to get a position. I think he moves his feet really well

as a blocker. The length does show up in the sense of that he almost he leans and over extends a little bit because it's hard for him to stink and to sink his hips and stay connected. So what happens is he falls off some blocks. I think pass rushers in the NFL are going to take a little more advantage of that with their length and ability to beat him with their hands. But at this point in the draft, after getting a guy who started 50 games, who was an all-SCC left tackle, and probably going to be a better fit on the inside than he was on the outside,

could be a steal for them here. Yeah, and then two picks later, the Rams draft trost, the offensive tackle from Missouri, right? Yeah. And I watched enough of him. He's a ram. Like, I get it.

He's not this, like, twitchy athlete. You're not going to say, see him getting out and running, but he's, like, balanced. And he, and he is, he's coordinated. And he's got, like, standard size, like, 6, 5, 3, 15, 3.11. Yep. But I remember watching, he's just, like, kind of steady. He's just, he just, like, could kick inside a guard.

Yeah, absolutely. He could kick him inside. But he's smart. That's what scouts talk about. Like, this guy is smart, and he's going to pick things up. And I think for the Rams, it's really important. Bringing a guy, he doesn't have to be the biggest. he doesn't have to be the longest.

He is like sub-33-inch arms. But teams I talk to really like trust because he's smart and they know what they're getting. Yeah. Start a 50-9. 45 games in Missouri, I think when you're looking at these players, played a lot of football. Yeah. Experience matters, man. It does.

But I want to go back to the pick earlier. So the Rams got a attack. Like, the Rams needs aren't like, oh, my gosh, we got to get a starting right tackle. Like the Cleveland Browns need a starting left and the Cardinals need a starting right. The Rams are, we need depth. We got to make sure that there's guys behind that. If something happens to one of the starters, we can count on them to come in and hold it down for a little bit.

That's what it is. Going back to the pick earlier, 28, Barham for Dallas. Do you think the pass rush is important for them? Do you think the Cowboys may all of a sudden, after being absolutely atrocious and hard to watch on Sundays on the defensive side, may wind up having one of the most exciting dynamic defenses in the league First of all, let's do it a little for a minute. First of all, they go in the offseason.

They say, you know what? We really like what Philly's been doing for a while. Actually, that makes a ton of sense. They're kind of a pain in the ass defensively every single year. I do not put this together. Great pull. Jerry's like, you know, let's go hire Christian Parker, you know. Yep.

And Christian Parker, who's working with Vic Fangio as the defensive coordinator. He was the defensive backs coach. and he's kind of like the young gun, 34 years old, and he's the uprising, up and rising star. And so Dallas was like, let's put a star on his hat and let's go. And so he comes in and, all right, what do you need? And he's like, I need a lot. And Parker has gotten a lot from this organization.

Pull up their picks while I talk about this, okay? Yeah. If you don't mind. In the off season, like in the last eight months, yes, they lost Micah Parsons. But in return, they've added Kenny Quinn. Clark, right, as part of that deal. Quinn and Williams, one of the best defensive tackles in the league. Rayshon Gary, who, like, was a very high draft pick, has been up and down a little bit,

but my gosh, he's gotten better as a pass rusher, and he's a good player. They got Otito on the other side, Ogbanaia. As a Rocco last year. A defensive, sorry, Tito's, Otito is... Dallas. The Dallas Cowboys, sorry. I mean, you didn't know Dallas Cowboys when I said a star on the hat with Jerry Jones. But we're on Dallas.

point is, but then you look at the back seven and you're like, yeah, as Araku, we drafted last year, right? But we really need, and we got Gary and Azaraku, but we really need like linebackers. We need more edge rushers. We need a safety to lock this thing down. And let's look at the draft picks that they've wound up having been. She got. Caleb Downs, 11th pick overall.

Second round to get Malik. No, sorry. Second pick in the first round. Malachi Lawrence out of Central Florida. and then right now they get J. Sean Barham from Michigan. And Barham is honestly, like we both like Malachi Lawrence. Maybe it was a little early, but we come to find out the new defensive line coach for the Cowboys.

It was at UCF last year with Malachi Lawrence, so that makes sense. And now you look at this at Jason Barham, who I watched late in the process to get a better feel. And this guy plays wildly. I mean wildly. Early in the season, I'm watching his tape. It's against USC, right? And he's playing off the ball linebacker,

but they're flashing him a little bit at edge. It's not totally dissimilar from Arvel Reese. Arvel Reese, granted, is a little bit taller and runs faster. But this guy is not, like six, three and a half, 240 pounds. He's played off-ball linebacker for a good portion of his career. He had stops at Maryland and Michigan, right? He was highly productive, 193 tackles, 23 tackles for loss, 12 sacks, 82 pressures.

He's played off-ball linebacker a lot earlier in the season. It was like USC and then it was... And last year, too. Yeah, last year. But this year, as the season progresses, it's more and more off the edge, and you're seeing these flashes. All I know is this. The guy has no fear in the world.

He plays a thousand miles an hour every down. And I, like, against the run, like, he, He plays with power in his hands. He's got snap in his game. He's got redirection skills. I just, I think that there's a lot to untap here. And now I get to utilize them however the hell I want to if I'm Christian Parker. That's the whole point.

The beauty of this. Yeah. You could start, he could be an offball linebacker in certain situations and then you mix them up. It's there, it's going to be a headache for protections to identify who's coming and who's dropping. I think it's a great pick for a guy that really wants to be mulful. I think people remember this player, Barham, because he made contact with an official with his helmet in the Ohio State game, which is unfortunate. Yeah. Whatever. Whatever. If you look at the body of work of this player, he's a talented dude. And I honestly think, you know, to overuse the term, I think he's going to be a steal here. This next pick is fascinating to me. Chris Bell, wide receiver from Miami. We've talked about him.

There's some growing up that has to be, that needs to happen. Okay. He can be frustrating on tape because I promise you there are times he just, he wasn't interested. As a blocker, there are some routes here like, I need more out of you, kid. But then there's some times where he wraps those fingers around the football and does stuff that nobody else in this class can do or pretty much. The combination at 6-2-22 pounds of power or strength, I should say, strength, power, whatever you want to call it, to break tackles. And the acceleration from when he to is wild.

For that size especially. It's why people go with the A.J. Brown complex. I can throw a shallow crosser. T.O. was like that, too, by the way. T.O. Yes. Yes. I get shades of and remnants of. Now, the concerns are significant. He's coming off of an injury, right? He's, despite four years of experience, I'm watching them on tape. And, like, the routes are just not polished, okay?

The execution was, like, rigid, telegraphed. He wasn't, like, this detailed route runner for a four-year receiver. And you're like, you're playing in a good system with, like, really good coaches at Louisville. What's gone on? And then do you have the ACL injury? And then you have, and, yeah, you have the ACL injury that he's coming. off of and you just you it was 11 games last year.

He had 917 yards in just 11 in 11 games before that late season ACL. But the rest of his career like the production wasn't what you would expect from this kind of talent. Yeah. So he's a fascinating study, but for Miami at this point?

Their need for weapons at this point when I thought he could go, there was talk of him going in the second and there was talk during the season. Maybe this guy's late first. Yeah. I love it. man, take a hack. Go ahead. Oh, sorry.

Eli Raredin was the next pick, followed by Jennings Dunker. We'll get to both those picks. Raredin, the tight end out of Notre Dame, goes to New England. New England? They get their tight end. 31 in the second round,

and then the Steelers. The Eagles. The Steelers get Jennings Dunker, the offensive guard slash offensive tackle from Iowa. That's just my eyesight. Staring at the screen all day. It's getting a little. lorry.

I'm glad you're saying it. It was like 2015 my whole life. I'm glad you're saying it, man. Wow. There we go. Do you want to talk about Raritan? No, you tell you. I mean, I'm looking.

He's 6-6, 245 pounds. You want him to fell out the frame a little bit, I think. But I ran a 462 average 15.1 yards per catch. I like this thing. He's, dude, he's a guy that could stretch the field. I think he's a classic going to be more productive. Oh, I promise.

In the pros than he was in college, right? I promise you. And it's weird because they've, C.J. Carr and, like, they started to throw the ball. It just feels like between Raritan and... Malachi Fields. Al-Qaeda Fields. Little polling. Yeah.

But he's an ascending. He's traits-based, man. This guy is 6-6-245. He ran the... Yeah, 462. He's got some stuff where... Like, it's built on his size and catch radius. That's what his profile is built on.

He presents a big target, and he's got enough athleticism. I like the more I watched them I'm like huh this would happen with a lot of these tight ends yeah with roush Klein Rairden yep all these tight ends the more I watch I'm like there's stuff there Oscar Delp yep Star Wars has got all this production and Sadiq's got the production they both worked out great but like Klein there's juice there for Michigan Delp there's juice coming from Georgia they don't get the time you know like they they don't the passing games in because says Rouse didn't have a quarterback Claire transfers in from Purdue and a big production.

But then Jolly's a good player. There's a lot of guys here. But Raritan's one of those guys where it's not there yet, but you're betting you can develop him. And I think for New England, like, what a great spot. Yeah. Yeah. I can't.

I mean, do I get to talk about my Viking now? Jennings Dunker with the... No, he's... Oh, you're Viking going to the Steelers. Yeah, good point. Because the Vikings have a real... The Vikings have the next two... Look at this man.

Look at this gorgeous man with the red mullet and the mustache. You've been waiting so long patiently. Oh, God. This guy's the best. He's just the best. He's actually long enough. I think he's long enough to play some tackle if you need him in a pinch. The more I watched him, the more – I thought he was a tackle for a while.

The more I watched him, I think he's going to kick inside to guard. Look, oh, he's just so mean. Competes at the end of the one-on-one rep. Doesn't care, step up. I'll take on all oncomers. It is – he's just a tough competitive. dude who comes from that Iowa zone scheme, athletic enough to be a zone blocker, mean enough to drive guys off the ball.

Typical Iowa situation where this is where I have some concern about him playing offensive tackle. He's not an elite athlete. They run the ball a lot. They do a lot of play action. How many true pass sets is he had? It's going to take him a minute to develop. But if you kick him inside a guard and he's in a tighter space, I love it.

This dude is so much fun to watch. It's been fun watching you talk about how much fun he is to watch. Look, look, this big athlete with that kind of lettuce. I mean, that's a special dude when you bring him into that offensive line room. I mean, you think he's not going to be loved in that time. Just keep rolling it for the rest of the night. Let's just keep rolling through it. You know he's there, too, right?

And what did I call him at the Senior Bowl? Do you remember this? He's a rep snatcher. When he was at the Senior Bowl, he didn't care if he was a tackle, he didn't care if he was a guard. If there was a chance for him to get a one-on-one rep, this dude doesn't hide. He does not hide from competition. He is ready to roll. I think as DJ said he was on the plane with him to Pittsburgh,

and he's going to a party or going to some like draft party to hang out with Cam Scadaboo. So he was in Pittsburgh last night. I'm talking about, man. Yeah, and he was talking about how, could you imagine him in Scadaboo with the same team, but now he's in Pittsburgh. Oh, he's going to be at a Pittsburgh Penguins playoff hockey game in a week.

Just chugging beers. Well, if they can actually hang on, they're getting crushed by the flyers, but just crushing beers and chugging. Yes. And being loved up. Loved up. Can't wait for.

Like, that's a celebrity. That's a celebrity in Pittsburgh. Yeah, that's a celebrity anywhere. Sorry. Caleb Tiernan. Oh, another, I like this guy too, man. I know. Hey, I had my tight end run.

This is nice. And my edge run and my receiver run. So you get the big uglies out before pick 100. Caleb Tiernan is one of those guys. We talk a lot about these guys that go at this point in the draft. who are better run blockers and they're mallers. But they have some holes in their passing game. He's kind of the opposite.

He's a positional run blocker. He's athletic enough to get there. He's not going to get a lot of movement. Probably going to have to kick inside from tackle the guard. You know, you look at the length. You worry about maybe if he's going to be able to hold up there. I really like the way he moves in Passpro, though. I like how quickly he gets into his sets.

I like his hand placement. I like the way he moves his feet once he's engaged. When you're talking about this point in the draft, the Jennings Dunkers, the Mark Hell Bell, who went a little bit earlier from Miami, now Caleb Tierner from Northwestern. This is a good spot for these guys because you're not feeling as comfortable that they have the elite traits that the top seven offensive tackles add. But these guys have a chance to develop into maybe not starting tackles, but maybe starting guards. They can provide some depth of tackle if you need them. This is another good player for this range of the draft. Okay.

Here are the details of a trade just occurred. Minnesota had to trade up to get two picks in a row. The pick... Oh, interesting. Player-in-volveld. The pick results that... The pick 98 is Jacoby Thomas, the defensive back from Miami, okay? The Eagles received Jonathan Greenard.

We had heard a lot about this, and here it comes to fruition. Yeah, they have interest, right? Seventh-round pick they get as well, but they... But the Vikings receive a 2027 third rounder. Interesting. No speculation, but maybe Minnesota, well, I haven't been hip to a lot of their picks. And I don't like this pick, to be totally honest with you, but it's about the range you could have gone.

Jacoby Thomas. You do wonder if they're trying to stockpile a pick for next year to be a part of that quarterback thing if all hell breaks loose this year. Which he could. Absolutely could. I'm just like that that's the read I get off of that trade. Yeah. We get a third round pick next year in this draft that has a chance to be one of the greatest of all time.

And we'll find a way to screw it up and we'll all be idiots because we overrated everybody by the time next year comes. But it's got a lot of talent that it projects to be one of the better drafts in a long time. You're not mad at anyone getting assets in next year's draft. Not at all. Yeah. And I'm certainly not mad at. at a team that we talked about. Could be a sleeper team to draft a Ty Simpson.

Or could, and we know with Kyler, it's either going to really work or it's really not going to work. And so by getting a third, you got to guess? It would be like, we'll do, instead of Mr. Irrelevant. Yeah. This is the Jaguars. So it's going to be a player of 200 on my list. I'm going to go. Let go Tim Berks.

You're a guy. Jacksonville Julian Neal That's interesting from Seattle You got anything you want to give on him I can tell you this in Seattle Seattle tried to move out of 32 Seattle was looking at a bunch of corners

I do wonder I do wonder of Chris Johnson would have been it Jalen Husky I just did his tape the other day or just was like flipping through it I'm talking this guy

in the 270s it's almost like Gladstone is planting his flag and saying, I am smarter than all of you. Dangerous game to play, by the way. I mean, we'll see. Yep.

There's some things there's some things to like about him. Don't get me wrong. But I literally just was ripping through his tape to get a feel. And I was, yeah. I just wanted, do we pull up Jacksonville's picks today.

if you don't mind. Mench. Oh, sorry. Pull up Jacksonville's picks today if you don't mind. Wake up, Mitch. No, you're good. I thought you were talking to the room. Husky, like Husky's 6-1.

He's 196 pounds. He had 72 tackles last year, two breakups, and four interceptions. The ball skills and the instincts are what stand out. He's not great in terms of cover twitch or athleticism. I don't know that I have a 40 on him from the pro day or anything, but what I do know is run support, I thought it was just the kind of average. Yep.

But he's got ball skills and he's instinctive. And so in that scheme, I think they think that they're getting something, special teams and all that. But like, that's for fifth round, six round. Their picks are. Yes. Second round was their first pick.

They didn't have a first round. They get Nate Bo Richter from Texas A&M to tight end. Bo Kirkker, yeah. Bowkerker, sorry. I think so, right? Yeah, yeah. Reach. Then to get Albert Regis, who you like the defensive attack.

But quite honestly, most in the league had him in the fourth, but that's a good pick. I think Emmanuel Pregnant and the Garve Morgan is a home run at that point in the draft. And then they get Jalen Husky from Maryland. Yeah, we'll see. They do it differently, and that's fine. And there's nothing wrong with different. I'm not, but it's going to be interesting. Who got Julian Neal?

Was that Seattle? Yes. I like that pick for Seattle. This is not... He is not... What's that? Sorry. Thank you.

I think he's a good fit for Seattle who just lost requal. And this guy is... He is a bigger corner who you do not want matching up against these quick-quitch receivers. That's not his thing. But he had... It's Seattle.

This is Seattle's thing, right? Yeah. Yeah. He's very good against the run. He absolutely hits like a truck or a safety in zone looks. You come into his area. You better have your head on a swivel. He's 6-2 with 32 and 3 quarter-inch arms, and he ran a 4-4-9.

The tools are there for this guy to be a great press zone corner. You comped him with Cam Hart. Yeah. Do you like that? Yeah, I do. Okay, good. I think he's going to be good against the run. I think he's going to be a good special teams player right away,

and he's got the size and the speed to be really good in their scheme. They didn't need a starter. Josh Job's going to be the starter opposite Devin-Weatherspoon, but they clearly value physical corners who will get after you, and this kid fits the mold. It's a good way to wrap things up with a little bit of confusion on what's been a wild day, but then some strong statements from Mench on a corner

that is going to wind up, you know, outplaying where he gets drafted and being a big impact player for Seattle, because it's just kind of what they do. 81 of my top 100. It's kind of a down year for you. I think it's a good number. 85 or 86 has been the average. It'll be interesting to see if anyone is significantly higher because there's some of these names.

Like if you had Borerker or Husky or... Good for you. Good for you. Yeah, Caleb Douglas. Caleb Douglas. Yeah, that was an interesting year. But, hey, I'm here for it all. Anyone you're kicking yourself for not putting in there, there was the defense attack from Texas A&M.

I think Black, the running back from Indiana. I know. I would never have put him in the top of him. We loved them. I love players with reason, unlike what Gladstone has done, the two of his picks today. It's going to turn it. Listen, I have all the respect in the world. I know the background and know what he's worked through. he was with less.

Like, I'm not, I'm just saying, we see things differently, and that's totally fine. But that's just not where I see some players. I do feel terribly for Jermond McCoy. Yep. With the knee, and hopefully it's not more severe, and it's just a matter of precaution in terms of protection of picks and what you're willing to risk. And hopefully he gets on the field and he's the player that we expected. Kyle Lewis is a guy.

we thought, I knew this could happen, don't care. More so than ever this year, like, I don't care. When there's this much parity between picks 64 and 164, I want my guys. That guy's going to be a flat-out football player in the NFL. He's going to come in and he's going to wind up starting. I guarantee you by the end of the first year and he's going to be an impact player. Keante, Scott, I like him. Dionne Burks.

Ran really well, yep. I see something on tape with the explosiveness down the field. I think there's more there. He just didn't have a quarterback we could throw it to him. Jalen Farmer, you liking the Kentucky kid. I did too. Camari Ramsey, see some versatile. I can't believe he didn't go.

I'm surprised by that one. The two safeties are interesting. Yes. And Grayson Houghton and Bryce Lance. Mike Washington doesn't shock me at all. We said there might not be a third running back until day three, and that's where we are. It's going to be a fascinating day, though. We still have a bunch of quarterbacks.

We've got Garrett Nussmeyer, Cole Payton, Tailing Green. We've got a bunch of runs. running back still, even though we had a lot of... Teams are going to get better on day three. They always do, man. And we will be back tomorrow, not live. This has been a blast. Thank you for joining us. And for those of you who watch live, thank you even more. It's crazy. No commercials, no nothing, but we just rock and rolling and mensch.

I appreciate you and everyone who's behind the scenes. We gave all the thank yous yesterday, but you can give as many as you want right now, because I always steal. I thanked, I think, I mean, you thanked everyone yesterday. I did. I'll thank my family. Hi, Stella. They deserve praise.

Tate's just asking me for permission. It's like 1130 in the East Coast. I won't even mention when he's asking permission. Because it's not Netflix. Which means if it's not Netflix, he's not watching this. And if he's up and not watching this. What's going on, Tate? Yeah.

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Thank you to Rob. Thank you to Mal. Thank you. Thank you to Bill for coming over. That was great. That was a lot of fun. I was like, who's coming in there now? We have Jonathan.

Thank you. I could go on for days and days. But thank you to everyone who, to Jesse. Yes, Jesse. Anyone else? Chris. Jake? Yeah.

Jake who came by yesterday. All right. We appreciate it. This has been a lot of fun. We're back tomorrow on Saturday. day for day three. We're not doing a live show tomorrow. We're going to do a wrap-up. It makes more sense. We're going to do a wrap-up, wrapping up all of day three. We'll probably get into some of the day two picks. And then we're back on Sunday for the monster show, the mega show.

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