The McShay Show - Nussmeier’s Hand Size and Other Senior Bowl Numbers to Know. Plus, Sam Darnold Scouting Redemption.

Episode Date: January 27, 2026

It’s Day 1 at the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Alabama, and the guys are sharing the standout measurables and which prospects they’re most excited to watch after Monday’s weigh-ins. To close, Todd reflects on Seahawks QB Sam Darnold’s journey from top prospect to Super Bowl starter.0:00 Welcome to The McShay Show! 2:00 Live from the Senior Bowl in Mobile5:35 Prospect weigh-in takeaways 19:20 Prospects we are most excited to see compete 36:15 Latest prospect buzz and intel39:10 Sam Darnold's redemption story The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available.Host: Todd McShayGuest: Steve MuenchProducers: Tucker Tashjian, Conor Nevins, and Daniel Comer Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Seattle and New England NFL markets are celebrating their birth to the Super Bowl. The other 30, all eyes are here in Mobile, Alabama. It's day one of the Senior Bowl. We're getting ready for a great week of practice leading up to the Senior Bowl game on Saturday. And I got news for you, Munch, only 86 days until the NFL draft. Munch, you good? I'm great, man. Roll that beat, Tuck.

Can you believe we're here, Munch? It's been kind of wild with the weather, the travel, so I'm excited we're here. The good thing about Munch is he doesn't. He doesn't get nervous about travel. Doesn't get nervous about weather. He wasn't yelling at me because I was going 86 and a 70 mile per hour yesterday, driving in from New Orleans. Freezing rain to Mobile.

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has affected the senior bowl. There's no question, but not as much as you would think, right? Let's get the negative out of the way first. There were some players that were hopeful to come, and all of them from the national championship game, all of them understandable excuse. You've got to understand. If you played Miami or Indiana, just a week ago today, you were finishing up the national championship. You didn't get back to campus until Tuesday, really, maybe in the early hours. You didn't get back home wherever that is, probably until the following day or whatever. So the thought of then having to get everything sorted, come back to Mobile, you know, fly up to mobile with the weather, with all the conditions, with it being, you know, a cooler week here,

I think it became for a select few a little bit too much. And those select few are all first, second, maybe worst case, third rounders. So that probably factored into it. The names, Ruben Bain, Edge from Miami. Akeem Messador, Edge from Miami. Kiante Scott, defensive back, versatile defensive back from Miami. We thought Elijah Surrott, the wide receiver from Indiana and DiAngelo Pond, the cornerback from Indiana as well.

So those are the five players when last week we spoke to Drew, the executive director from the Senior Bowl, Fabianich, and he was hopeful that they were going to be here. I remember thinking, remember I was like, we were fired up? Yeah, like there's no, but really? Right. And that speaks to their compete level.

The way all those guys compete on tape made me think maybe. There's a chance. And I made the correlation to, I forget which travel. It was like 15 years ago with 2009, I want to say. The USC linebackers, 17 years ago, actually. The USC linebackers, Malauuga, Cushing, Matthews.

But then I went back and looked. They were 12 and won their final year. They won the Rose Bowl against Penn State. And they had about 20 days, like three weeks leading up. We were talking like six days or five days in terms of like traveling here when all the players came. And most of the players came early on Saturday. So with that.

said, yeah, those five guys won't be here. And we were kind of hopeful that maybe three or four of them would be, but there's still a great group. And speaking of the weather and some of the logistical challenges, some guys got in late today on Monday. But most of them, when we talked to Drew, there were like 54 guys that wound up coming in on Saturday. So because there was a rolling, and not that this really matters to all of you, but we're going to share it anyway. And by the way, thank you for watching. We're going to be live all week on YouTube and we're thrilled about it. Seven Central, 8 Eastern, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, right after practice. Also, check it out on, we're going to do some Instagram live throughout the week.

Right after the first practice, right after the second practice. Mention I will give you like the one or two big things to takeaways from each practice before we race over here to the convention center where the radio row is set up and give you a full hour show, 7 to 8 p.m. Central, 8 to 9 Eastern Time. on YouTube, the McShay Show page on YouTube. And my Instagram, as I look over to Marissa is McShay 13. Is that correct? T. McShay 13.

See, that's why I ask. So that's how you can find us all week long. But the weigh-ins were a little bit different this year. We found out last night as I was trying to dig to what time of the way-ins on Monday morning. They did a rolling way-in. So people from the National Scouting, the National Scouting surface. service. They have scouts. And so as you checked in as a player, you would get your height, your weight, wingspan, hand span, arm length, right? And so as they finally got it all together,

we got our trusty little board here, the measurements were finally done this morning, but not in a normal fashion, cattle prodding, you know, 100 plus players and spandex walking through. It's kind of more comfortable this way, to be honest. Are you nervous, though? Do you know what happened last year? What? The numbers of the combine were far different than the numbers here. Do you remember that? Of course I did. Yeah. And there were some...

But a lot of them became, they were negative numbers here. You know, shorter arms, smaller hands, not as tall, you know. So when we go through some of the things that stood out, you're hopeful that they're accurate for the ones that are really positive and you're hopeful, well, maybe when they get to the combine, it will even itself out. Maybe an eight and a half hand span, as we'll get to an... the second will be closer to like a nine and one-eighths in a handspan. And we won't have to deal with the, you know, Kenny Pickett situation leading up to the

entire draft where that's all we seem to talk about. So with that all said, Mitch, I've talked too much as usual. I'm going to throw it to you. The way-ins. Yeah. What stood out to you in terms of some of the measurements as we, and practice, by the way, starts on Tuesday, three days of practice. As we mentioned, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.

Today was about weigh-ins, a lot of, you know, players getting settled in, some community service things that go on here. There's a lot more than just the football practices here. So players taking care of their business, but the weigh-ins and the measurements are kind of the biggest thing that usually come out on Monday in the senior bowl. Right. So you're my first player that jumped out when I was looking at these numbers? Yes, sir. I promise this won't all be negative, but Vanderbilt quarterback Diego Pavia, I can never get it out right. You got it right. Just under 5'10, 198 pounds. Put that in perspective. He's shorter than Kyler Murray was at his combine and he's about nine pounds lighter. You love the bravado, you love the production,

you know, it's easy to root for the kid with his story. But I think a lot of GMs are going to look at that number and say, I'm going to have a hard time projecting him as a quarterback in the NFL. Those are red flags. Yeah. We keep going or we're going to go back and forth there. Yeah, we can go back and forth. Garrett Nussmeier is another one that is not nearly to the level of Diego Pavia. But Garrett Nussmire, LSU quarterback, obviously injured all season long. You got to go back to the 2024 tape with him. And I'll get into his whole story and kind of what I'm looking forward to in a little bit. But Nussmeier was 6-1, which has become like... That's okay, right? I remember 6-1 used to be like, whoa. Now it's fine. 202, a little bit.

You'd like a little bit thicker, you know, build, but just over 200 pounds. The thing that jumped out obviously, and I'm not going to do a big hand span thing with folks. It is what it is. Some guys it works, some guys it doesn't. His was, and the Mendoza line, if you will, the bar is 9 inch hand span, which you measure from

there to there. I won't do it on my left hand as I still have a sliced open thumb. But his was 8 and 3 quarters inch. So, how does that affect? Rain, precipitation, gripping the ball, ball security. These are things that will be

you know kind of heavily scrutinized throughout the process and you'll see crazy stuff like we did with jared goff i remember at calis pro day where a quarterback coach from cleveland i think it was at the time was making was standing behind him in an absolute sweat just going crazy dunking balls into a water and handing it to them to have him go throw that's how insane people get around this this time of year but um that was one that jumped out to me yeah another one again we'll get more positive but Texas Tech Edge, Ramello. Going into this, we talked about the concern with his size. Look, the guy had 10 sacks this year.

I love his tape. He can get after the quarterback, but he's an edge. He was 602-3, so just over 6'2 and 234 pounds with 32 and 3 quarter-inch arms. You know, that's just, that's undersized for an edge. He's going to have to be a guy. I think the plays an outside linebacker in a base three-man front. And, I mean, he could be really good in that role, but the tape is going to be better than the measurable

for this kid and it's going to scare off some teams. It's going to cause him to drop a little bit. Let's get into some positives. Yeah, let's do that. I would rather do that. Tailin Green. Tape's not awesome. You win negative right away.

Awesome athlete. I'm really curious to watch him this week in NFL-style offense, throwing the ball intermediate, anticipation throws, all those things. But if you're looking for like a Day three, developmental prospect. I think of Joe Milton with the big arm, the size, athleticism, all those things.

Someone can develop into a backup and come in and kind of be a curveball, a change-up to the starting quarterback and win games with his unique skill set. He's an intriguing prospect to watch. We knew he was big. We knew he had the physical features that you look for in a developmental guy. But it was legit six-six. legit 229 legit 10 inch

hand span I mean this this guy's a big dude I think that I mean I know it's one of those things like yo it's real you know when you see it in person as a coach here who's not been on the scouting trail all year long and the first thing they're doing they're like nudging one of the scouts

tell me about that guy tell me about him all right what do you guys as a coach you got to believe that you can unlock that you're going to be the guy who's going to get those tools to do yeah to get to that level Jennings Dunker, the right tackle from Iowa is interesting to me. I think he's going to start his career at Guard. I still think that's true.

I think coming out of Iowa, that run-heavy offense play action, needs to get more true pass sets under his belt and get more consistent in pass protection. But he had 34-inch arms. And to me, that's a guy that maybe could play some right tackle in the league eventually. I think that's a good note for him in terms of that versatility. Now, there are other offensive tackles that I'm sure if people have seen these numbers, are going to want to talk about Illinois, J.C. Davis.

in Arizona State's Max Ionachor, who both had 34-inch plus arms. But that number jumped out for me because I really like Dunker's tape as a run blocker, both as a zone and a man gap guy. He's one of those guys that's just aggressive, physical blocking to the whistle. Fun player to watch. If he can develop as a pass blocker, I now know that he has the length to maybe play outside. That's, again, it's a good, it's a positive for him. My prediction is we get closer to this year's draft in April,

that these offensive tackles that have kind of been under the rate, are not getting a lot of attention. I feel like everyone knows about Fanu from... The Utah. The two guys, Lomu... Caleb Lomu and Spencer Fano. And obviously, Maui Noah from Miami. Those are the two guys, really.

If you look at a mock draft or the rankings, it's Fano and Maui Noah. Blake Miller from Clemson is the first round draft break. I keep telling Munch is going to get back to me after... I don't know. The Georgia offensive tackle was declared. Miller and Freeling. Yeah, Monroe Freeling.

Monroe Freeling. Blake Miller, Monroe Freeling. Remember those names. Here we are, what is it, the 26th of January. Just talking to scouts now as everyone's kind of converging on Mobile and getting text even this morning about Blake Miller. This offensive tackle class is better than people. Yeah, and Caden Proctor, we mentioned him really quickly. Correct.

All right. Big wide receiver. is where I'm going next. When we talked to Drew, the Dallas Cowboys, Parcells, don't bring me small players, all that stuff. But to see the legitimate numbers on some of these guys, you don't know coming into a year, like he's listed, but what is he legit?

Jacoby Lane from USC and Malachi Fields from Notre Dame. Two big guys, big programs, vertical ability, contested catches. They showed up and physically they're what you expect. Now, Lane is a lean guy, as we've known. He didn't have the reception total that you would expect from a 6 foot 4. He's a 6041, which means 6.4 and 1 eighths of an inch, but only 196 pounds, but 10 and 3-8-inch hands, massive hands, long arms, 32 and 5'8 inches.

So that's what you want, like tall, big hands, length, contested. only 49 catches this past year, but 745 yards. Average over 15 yards per catch, opposite Mackay Lemon, who had a monster year. Unbley leader. Then Malachi Fields for Notre Dame, 630 receiving yards, but average 17.5 yards per catch, okay? So those are two guys, and Fields was 6-4, straight up, 6040, 218, long arms to 32-and-5-inch arms. But a weird part on him, only eight. I saw that.

He had Garrett Nussmeyer handspan. I was wondering if you were going to mention that. Eight and three quarter inch hands. And there were a couple of other guys like Caleb Douglas from Texas Tech. Ted Hurst is a name that you're going to start to hear. We'll talk about him throughout the week from Georgia State, who had over 1,000 receiving yards this past year. Both guys over 6, 3, you know, big, well put together dudes, longer arms,

both 33 plus inch arms as well. I'm going to go. I'm going to give you a two-fer. Okay. We're going to go with the Texas A&M offensive tackles. We'll start with Demetrius Crownover. Just under 6'7, 331 pounds. He had the longest arms of any of the offensive tackles here.

35 and 5-inch arms. It's important for a guy like him. He's a big right tackle. He was a two-year starter. He's got some heavy feet. If you're not going to be an elite athlete at offensive tackle, that length can really come into play for you. Interested to see how he competes.

If that shows up this week, that's a really good no for him. Trey Zune, now, the tackle who was at the left tackle. for Texas A&M. A four-year starter in the SEC at left tackle, 32 and 7th inch arms. And that could be alarming if you're thinking this guy's an offensive tackle. But I think the reality is that most teams already knew about this.

I think most teams saw him as an interior offensive lineman. I'm not overly worried about it. I do think that if you're going to play for four years and the SEC with short arms, you move well. And that shows up on tape. One of the great things about the Senior Bowl is guys can come here and maybe they weren't at their natural weren't at their natural position in college,

and they get to kick inside now, like Zoom. We saw this with Zabel last year, out of North Dakota State, where he shined after he kicked inside. So you might look at this and think it's a down day for Trey Zune III, but the reality is, I think once he gets on the field and shows what he can do,

he's going to leave here as a guy. Will Campbell has short arms. He's a guy that's, by the way, Will Campbell's not played great in the playoffs. He did not. No, I know. So, but you're going to go from a guy that you might look at and be like,

Yeah, I'm kind of done with the short arms and tackle thing. I guess that's my point. Come on, it shows up. It shows up, but like you either can do it or you can't. Is Will Campbell because he got nicked up and he's not 100% like he was early in the year? Or is because they finally realized 14 games into the year that you're short arms and how to attack? I don't, I'm just. Hmm.

Go watch. When he was going into lead pass rushes, he struggled this year. It wasn't just the end of year. I'm not disagreeing. But we didn't love his tape as much as we, I was surprised. He was playing so well early in the season. I don't know. It's going to be interesting to see.

But we spend a lot of time on arm length and tackles, and I kind of just want to talk about the tape more this year. Listen, I'm good with that. I just think there's a reality here that that guy's going to have to kick inside. As we hit through a whole segment on measurable. I promise the show is going to get more fun in a minute. Last guy from me, Chris McClellan, defensive tackle for Missouri, six, three, and a third.

The only reason I mention this guy is he can pass rush. And we know about a lot of. of the other, like mentioned we'll get to a couple defensive tackles with bigger names from bigger, not bigger programs, Missouri, that would be an insult. It's not at all. A bigger names that got like just got more attention throughout the year or the last couple years. But Chris

McClellan's a name. I keep hearing from Scouts, keep an eye on this guy, watched a little bit of his tape just getting ready for here. He can rush the quarterback. Then you see him show up 6033, 6.3 and 3 eighth inch, 315 pounds. Massive hands,

10 and almost 11 inch hand span. and 34 inch arm length, okay? That's like a dream defensive tackle. Yeah. Anything else? You call the coming in. I'm just going to hit on to Arkansas corner, Julian Neal real quick. 12 passes defended in 2025.

Shows up here. He's 6014, 202 pounds, with 33 and an eighth-inch arms for a corner. You see it on tape. The way he reaches in and breaks up passes. He's a Seahawk. Yeah. He's a Legion of Doom kind of a player. even the way he's you see the way he reaches in and breaks up passes but he also separates the receiver from the ball with the way he closes and hits

and if reek woolen doesn't clean up his act maybe he will be a sulk we'll see um all right i will now more importantly as we're here and we've sifted through guys who didn't make it weren't able to make it not a big list but certainly some some bigger name guys you go back to the drawing board we get the like the updated roster it's all locked in they've replaced the players who weren't able to come and you're looking at it, and like every year we say, well, this year's class isn't this. This year's cause but doesn't have this. But like I went back in 2013, 2014

when we said that those years, those drafts weren't great. You know what? Pull it out. This is our show. What the hell of what I? Like, I'm not on TV. I was surprised to see the names. Right? I shouldn't have been, but it was a lot better than you would think. And I got into a rabbit hole this morning.

Where is? Okay, here we go. 2014. Not a good draft. Remember? Yeah, the quarterbacks weren't good. Not a lot of. Khalil Mack, Jake Matthews, Mike Evans, OBJ, Aaron Donald, C.J. Mosley, Brandon Cooks, Jason Verrett, Jimmy Ward, DeMarcus Lawrence, Joel Betonio, Derek Carr, Kyle Van Neuie, Devante Adams, Jimmy Garoppolo, Alan Robinson, Jarvis Landry, James White, Morgan Moses, Brent Urban,

Kuan Jones, I could go on. 2013 was a horrible draft. People at ESPN didn't even want to cover it. I remember they brought in the offensive tackles into the green room and it was like awkward. Like this is all we got. Lane Johnson, Zichiel Anza, Eifertz, DeHop,

Kyle Long, Darius Lay, Robert Woods, Levion Bell, Eddie Lacey, Monty Ball, Kevin Minter, Swaranger, Alford, Jamie Collins, Matthew, Keenan Allen, Markey's Goodwin, Terran Armstead, Logan Ryan goes on. So like, I get it. The more I look at this roster, the more I get excited.

That's my point. Don't get caught up about who's not here, is what you were saying. Give me five guys right now that you like. Just rattle them all off? Yeah, why not? Or why don't you go two? I'll go two, and then we'll go one more. All right, I'm starting to think that Texas Tech defensive tackle Lee Hunter doesn't get out of the top 50.

I'm really starting to see it, man. He can rush the quarterback too. way he turned it on at the end of the year. I knew he was productive. Listen to this. He was at UCF for two years and then Texas Tech this past year. Over the last three years, he's had 30 tackles for a loss as a defensive tackle. That's, I mean, that kind of production is rare for a guy who's 6034 320 pounds.

So just over 6'1.3, 320 pounds with 34 and a quarter inch arms. I'm really starting to think he's not getting it out of the top 50. He could be the third or fourth defensive tackle off the board. 44 and a quarter inch arms. Yeah. I'm excited to see him compete this week. Also talk about Michigan Edge Derek Moore showed up here. He's got 34 and a quarter inch arms.

When I see him on tape, I love the way that he can bring in his hips and lock out with that length when he transitions from speed to power. He does a good job of swiping guys off his frame. He had 10 sacks this year. He's a natural pass rusher, good, not great size, but that length is encouraging and impressive down year for Michigan. We've talked about a little bit over the course of the year. show down here from Michigan they still got some players man Derek Moore's a

dude he's a guy to keep an eye on this week I'm excited to see what he does it's interesting when when you get these lists right and like you get the roster and get printed out the first thing I do is go down for whatever reason it's just like I guess 25 years 26 years are doing this now first thing I do is go down the arm lengths yeah and look for corners with 33 defensive linemen with 34 and offensive tackles with 35-inch arms, right? The interesting part is this year there were two defensive players with 35-plus-inch arms. Caleb Banks, so I think you might get to in a little bit, we both love from Florida,

and Nigelik Kelly from UCF, both had 35-plus-inch arm lengths. And you're mentioning guys with 34-plus-inch arms, and offensive tackles with 35, and corners with 33. That's kind of why it jumps out. My list is going to be focus on guys where I really want to see an apples to apples comparison, and I really want to see them, and this is not a site on any individual program, I want to see them away from what they were with this fall. It's like you want to see a, how does a human being in a relationship, like maybe they kind of sucked when they were dating this person,

but like they're now not dating that person. They're kind of cool. Like, oh, I didn't know. like you know so like when I when I look at the everyone on my list it's like can I get them away from that situation this fall that maybe was dragging him down or there was injuries and can I just see them here healthy time away fresh start apples to apples they're all in the same circumstances because I know they're all talented Garrett Nussmeyers won no run game injured from the beginning a lot of turmoil turmoil in the program a lot of dark

clouds about like is he injured are they forcing him is he forcing himself what are the severity of the injury we hear about this knee tendonitis we hear about um then the oblique and i'm watching me can't make throws that old miss game was a struggle and i just want the wide receivers they brought in weren't very good the run game was not good at all and so i want to see him down here and yeah he's shorter he's not the biggest cat but i saw that at manning passing academy like and we saw him in 24. I just want to see Nussmeyer with a fresh start in an equal footing, right, with everybody else. The other one is my favorite. My favorite guy that's not going to be a first, second day draft pick, Sawyer Roberts. I've told the story before. I'm not going to repeat it in length,

but I remember at that Manning Passing Academy, which can be misleading at times, all these guys, you know, the Club Knicks, the Nussmeyers, all the big names that were down there come up and they throw through this whole, this whole competition. And they all did good. Arch, all those guys, sellers. And then all of a sudden the Sawyer Robertson from Baylor that was kind of a, I think double transfer had all this backstory, but I didn't really know how talented he was.

He goes through like 12 for 12, ping, ping, ping, on the move. And he just walked away like, man, it's up. And then you're watching this fall and to see, again, no run game, no defense. shoot out every week, pinning their ears back against this cat. I want to see him down here because he's, what did he measure in it? He's a big. He's another nudge guy. He's another guy where scouts will be nudging them each other when they see how big

that frame is and how well he moves and how well he throws the ball. Six, three and a half, two 21, nine and a half inch arm leg, arms, a hand span. I think he's going to get some attention this week. He should. Yeah. Are my backup? You back up. He already gave away one of my guys, so I'll just get into it now.

Caleb Banks, Florida. 35 inch arm length. 35 inch arms, 6 foot 6, 335 pounds. Did not play much this year. Three games, foot injury. So it'll be good to see him back on the field, to see him moving around. When I watched this tape last year, I was blown away by a guy who could play up and down the defensive line. I think he's got scheme versatility, positional versatility.

He can stack and get off blocks. He can get into gaps and make plays. He's a better run defender than pass rusher, but he's got all the tools to get there. If he's 90% of what he was on that tape, teams are going to be super excited about what this kid can do going into the draft. Anyone else? I got a couple. Yeah, I said two, two, and one. He doesn't pay attention.

Texas corner, Malik Mohamed. I'm going to be honest with you. We were talking and I was like, I don't know, man. And I was like, no, go back and watch him. You're going to like him. And I did. You know what? I love corners that do this.

I love corners that have their eyes on receivers and read that break. And then as they read it and they start breaking the ball, they get their eyes on the quarterback. It's a natural thing. He's really good at it. It's coming with no surprise as a kid coming out of Texas that he's, you know, very instinctive in zone. He plays the ball well.

He's a little lean right now. He's 183, but just under six feet, 32-inch arms. So he's got the frame to kind of fill out, get a little bit. bit bigger. You want to see him do that. But he's a, he was, he's a talented corner, man. I like him. I'm excited to see what he does. I like him a lot. I think he's, he ain't

getting out of the second round. No. I promise to know. Let's see how he performs this week and how the buzz rolls. Maybe you're talking about him late first. A couple more guys. I want him out of their system. I want him out of like what was bringing. Nicholas Singleton, you can't tell me that that production matches up with the

talent. Nicholas Singleton, it was like a thousand yards. I don't know what went wrong this week. I want to get the backdrop. I want to hear from scouts after they have the meetings and the teams sit and meet with them, which, by the way, practices are later this year. That's why we're having a 7 o'clock Central, 8 o'clock PM live show

each day, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday on YouTube. Because practices are now local time. We're here in central time. 1.30 to 3.30 and then 4 to 6 every day. So the meetings are happening in the morning, which means at night, it's like the old. old Wild Wild West where the scouts and everybody get to go out. So that'll be interesting.

I'm going to put a long leash on him. But Nicholas Singleton from Penn State, 5-11, 220 pounds. He can catch. He's fast. He's explosive. I'm not saying he's Travion Henderson, but I'm also not saying he's that far off Travon Henderson. And look at what Henderson did in the right role this year with Remandre Steve.

Look what he's still doing going to Super Bowl, you know? I think Singleton is a guy who just kind of fell off the map this year with a Penn State program. Everything fell apart. Ketron Allen became the guy and like kudos to Ketron. Punched through at a big year production-wise, record-setting year for Penn State, or career, I should say. But Singleton's the better player. He's the better prospect. So I want to see that here this week.

Adam Randall's another one. Adam Randall, when I watched him early this year, I was like, I knew he was a wide receiver convert. I was like, yeah, he's a wide receiver. You know, he runs high. I get it. He's big. He's fast.

He can catch the ball, obviously. It runs high. I don't see the instinct. And then late in the season, the more I was watching, I was watching Blake Miller to get under Mention's skin. And Adam Randall started like, oh, the instant. He's sensing a cutback. He's setting up.

Oh, okay. And so now he shows up here, right? 6.2.5, 233 pounds, 32 and 3 quarters inch arm length. Former wide receiver, catches the ball, got speed. He's going to be intriguing. This running back group might be top to bottom the most impressive that we've ever seen here. Because it's hard to get running backs here. It used to be where underclassmen couldn't come to the senior bowl. And all the running backs were underclassmen. So they just didn't have great guys here. And now I'm looking at this group with Singleton, Ketron Allen, Adam Randall, right? And then you got Rishul Faison, who's underrated from

South Carolina, Jamari Taylor, HBCU young man who went to Virginia and just was a bowling ball. Had a huge year for the Cavaliers. Calon Black from Indiana, monster season, obviously, in the one-two punch with Hemby and Black. Mike Washington, who's a big bad dude coming out of Arkansas. This is going to be a fun running back class this year at the Senior Bowl. You know who I'm ending off with. I mean, again, I'm going to beat this drum until... Oh, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

Chris Johnson, San Diego State cornerback. Yes, here we go. It's time now. It's finally time. Like, I've been hyping him up, and now it's time to see whether or not the tape is going to match what we see here going against a higher level of competition. Because it's San Diego State, it's a good program, but you're not seeing the elite receivers, that you're not seeing the same kind of talent receiver

that you're going to see down here. So it's a great opportunity for him. Playmaker, four interceptions this year, two of them he returned for touchdowns. I think he's versatile, instinctive, very comfortable with his back to the line of scrimmage when he has to turn and run. Let's see if that all shows up when you got some nerves,

you're going against some better players. I'm really excited for him, and I think he will come through, but now you've got to be put your money where your mouth is and we'll see what happens. I also want to see this cornerback group is really good too. Colton Hood, they're maybe coming into the week, and this always changes because there's always two or three guy, maybe one or two or three or four, whatever the number it winds up

being that are second rounders by the end of this week, we're all like, yeah, they're going for the first round. Right. Colton Hood's coming in as a first rounder in my estimation, and I expect he'll leave as a first rounder. Chris Johnson's a guy who could continue to make a leap. The Tennessee is Colton Hood. Tennessee could have two first round

cornerbacks drafted, obviously. But Hood showed up at just under 6 foot, 188 pounds. I'm excited to see him with that group. My final guy is T.J. Parker. Again, I love Dabo. I love Clemson.

Penn State. Bruce is watching you right now. I'm just saying, but certain guys, like, something happened. We don't know. It just wasn't what we expected, and things started to snowball the wrong way. And so I'm excited to see T.J. Parker here, who we both watched on tape in the summer, and said, he's not there yet, but my gosh, if he takes that next step,

we could be talking about first half, first round. And he just didn't play like that guy. But he shows up today, 6.3 and 5 eighths inches, 263 pounds, 33 and a quarter inch arms. He's powerful. He's physical. I want them to come in and kick some offensive tackles, asses, like physically. But then I want to see when you got them on the ropes, how are we improving all week with the hand usage and getting home? How do we get home?

I think about Marshall's Mike Green running through Oregon offensive tackle Josh Connerly last year, and it was the viral moment of the Senior Bowl. And I'm not comparing T.J. Parker to Mike Green. But that's kind of his game. He wants to run right through your face. So if he can have a couple of those moments where he shows up and, you know, just turn some heads in one-on-ones, it'll start to write the ship for him because, again, but Nick and Michael better be better be ready. Yeah.

I mean, I don't know why you would think they better. I know they're going to be ready. Yeah, I know they're going to be ready. This is the best. We're the best crew in the business. But, I mean, like, that became the viral moment of the entire senior bowl last year. But that's the kind of game that T.J. Parker has. If he can do that, you're going to start building some buzz.

back up and again because 2024 tape was outstanding. Anybody else is you good? That's it for me. Yeah. This is going to be a fun group. This really is. I think the quarterbacks are going to grow on us as the week goes. I think the running backs are outstanding.

The wide receivers are big. The cornerbacks are big and good. Defensive tackle group is good. Defensive tackle group. The edge group is the best of all of them. So this is going to be a fun week. A couple other things I wanted to get to. The McShay Show is brought to you by Fandual.

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the declaration date was last week for the underclassman, right? And we, you know, we did the newsletter, the McShay report, Google it, subscribe. We're going to have McShay reports all week here from the Senior Bowl. So this is a good week. If you're not subscribed yet to get involved. But we talked about last week the official numbers came out. It was a low number, thank goodness. Probably going to be a handful from the National Championship game.

From the NIL and Transfer Portal, outside of players finally getting their piece of the pie, probably the best thing that's come from it is that we're not seeing 115, 120 underclassmen come out 20 to 40 of those guys not getting drafted or getting drafted in like the seventh round and like six, I think at one point it was 60% of those underclassmen like 56% in a couple years that came out of the league in three years. Like it wasn't, it was just not good. But this year we had a lower number. I think it was like 63 with guys who had actually had graduated.

48 around that range for the true underclassmen. But five more guys from the national championship game, Miami and Indiana, came out. The others were known, Rubin Bain, Francis Maui, Noah, Fernando Mendoza, DeAngelo, Pons. We knew that. The interesting one that was just announced was Omar Cooper, Jr., wide receiver for Indiana. Elijah Surratt was a senior, and fully expect him to be a day two draft. graph pick, bigger X wide receiver, Cooper, perfect compliment, slot receiver, great body control. I watched some tape today, some juggles over the middle, some things like, you know,

but like really good vision, body control, under control, reliable. Obviously, you had that monster catch in the Penn State win, just stepped up in moments this year where they really needed him to step up. Any initial thoughts on that or this group of those five guys that are going to be added? Well, immediately, it's so unfair, you don't want to do this, but I immediately like, where do I have him versus Sarat? And I think I have him a little bit higher than Sarat. I just think he's a little more fluid.

I like him a little bit better after the catch. There are two types of receivers, though. It's going to be kind of like, what are you looking for? Both day two guys for me. Yeah, both day two. I agree with that. They're both day two. Yeah, I mean, not support.

Those are exactly the guys we thought, and Cooper Jr. was kind of the wild card. Yeah, he's on the fence. But like, why wouldn't you leave? No offense. A hundred percent. It doesn't matter what the quarterback situation is next year. If it's one Mendoza

the next, I forget who do they bring in? Josh Hoover from TCU. Josh Hoover from T.C. Yeah, I mean, they'll have a, they're going to have a great team. But you win the national championship. Go out. You did the thing. It's time. Last thing. Soapbox. I can't wait for this.

Sam Darnold. Congratulations, Sam. I've been a big fan of Sam Darnold's, as a human being. Got to know him, got to know him through people and but but way before that just as an evaluator I went back to my grades right gave a 94 grade to Sam Darnold number one quarterback in that class remember that class was Baker mayfield surprisingly what was the first overall pick we found out like just a few days before the draft

but Baker was in there gave him a 92 grade Josh Allen was in there gave him a 92 grade people have been railing on me I hated Josh Allen he was the work like I as I told Mel at the time Mel just decided to, I feel like I found, I was standing in three feet of snow in Wyoming and got on a horse and didn't realize that it had an allergy, allergic to horses and like, but face blew up. Like, I was through the weeds with Alan and his family at the pro dead. Like, I love Josh Allen. It's just Mel like went over the top on it.

So it was good for TV. Right. But going back and looking at it, Why am I saying this right now? It's so good to see these redemption stories. And from a scouting perspective, you try to take from every event and things that happen. I want to remind you in that class, right? Also, I just mentioned the three, Baker, Josh and Sam.

Also, Josh Rosen. Unmitigated disaster. And the human being affected the ability to be the football player. Don't pull any punches. And never. It's too late. I'm too old to go diving into lockers. If you know that reference, let me know.

And Lamar, obviously, at the end of the first round. So all of that said, of these five quarterbacks, and it was regarded at the time as one of the best quarterback drafts ever. And it was an unbelievable process going to all those pro days and being a part of it and getting to know some of them. And just the energy, right? And everyone had different opinions and it was great. But so what's the takeaway now?

Because of those five, as amazing as Josh Allen's career has been, and as amazing as Lamar Jackson's career has been with MVP's and records and everything they've done, one of those five guys has now reached the Super Bowl, Sam Darnel. My takeaway is this. I am so sick and tired of the lazy television take when it comes to this next three months. We can't really evaluate a quarterback until we know the system that they're in. We spend so much time on their traits and who they are, but it's all about the fit.

Yeah, no shit. Like, like, no kidding. But, but why do you think every NFL team spends millions upon millions of dollars evaluating the player and evaluating these quarterbacks and evaluating every position? Because it's our job as a scout for a team or for mention I to bring to our audience. like to bring awareness and think we do it at a pretty high level and take a lot of pride in it. It's our job to show what the traits are. And so, yeah, there's only a handful of transcendent players. Josh Allen was going to be good everywhere he went.

But Josh Allen kind of really benefited from early struggles, Brian Dayball, development. Why do I think Dayball now after that Giants fiasco is like his name is with all these different places? Because he's a bad coach. He's interviewing. And if it's not a head coaching job, he's, he's, he's, he's, He's got his hand-picked, whatever OC job you want. And Patrick Mahomes has transcended. He could play anywhere, right?

But he had a year with Alex Smith. He had a year to sit back. I sat in a meeting with him, talked one-on-one with him. He's like, Todd, I couldn't identify the mic, the middle lineback coming out of Texas Tech. I just, I didn't know. Had I been thrown in that first year, it could have been ugly. But it always would have been really good. So my point in all of this is, like, you're going to hear for the next.

three months. Whoa. Don't ask me what he's going to be until you tell me where he's going to go. Yet, we could have all told you that we got a much better shot with Mahomes when he goes to Andy Reed and he's got a year behind Alex Smith. We could have all told you've got a much better shot with Josh going with Day Bowl. We also could have told you, and I remember feeling it at the time because I was the one pounding the table.

Sorry, I know Tucker gets so mad at me when I do that for audio. Pounding the table, Sam's the best of these quarterback. I just, I think he can be special. And then for him to go to the Jets, the second he was drafted by the Jets, the third pick after Sequin went two and Baker went one, I was like, oh, no, I don't like my chances. And so when Baker goes to Cleveland and Sam goes to the Jets, they didn't just start sucking at football.

They just weren't developed properly. So that speaks to everyone's argument, which tell me where they're going and tell them. But no, that doesn't mean they can't get them. out of the situation. You know what? It takes resiliency. It takes a certain something special inside of these human beings. It takes the right supporting cast. And I know the people in Baker's life. I know the people in Sam's life who helped him through it and some of the coaching and the mentorships and where they

spent times in the offseason and all that stuff. And so all I'm saying all of this because it is our job and it is all these scouts you're going to see walking behind us throughout the week. And it is the general manager. Like it's their job to evaluate the talent. And if they get with the wrong place, it doesn't mean that they're stuck in their careers over. Sam Donald is now going to the Super Bowl. He's the only one of all these guys. Lamar, Josh Allen, Baker Mayfield, Josh Rosen. He's the only one who's been to a Super Bowl. And he did it because, A, he had that ability. And B, he had this resiliency in him. So when we evaluate, our job is to evaluate A, the talent, B, what's inside of that guy. So it's my little

reminder this week, two things. One is we're here for a reason, and the process is the process for a long, long time. And so we're never going to vary from that process. And I'm done with all the nonsense about, well, this doesn't matter or that doesn't matter. It does. And the second part is you're going to hear for three months. And I'll mention every once in a while. I'd like to see him in this system. He really flourished in that system. I think Ty Simpson would be awesome with the Rams as a year with McVeigh. Stafford's still there. I think that would be a great. But that doesn't mean I evaluate him off of,

if he goes to the Rams, it's this. It just drives me crazy. Because I think it's lazy. I think it's boring. Every time I'm watching TV, there's certain things I watch when I'm like, oh, turn the volume up. Mercosal test.

Sometimes I'm like, get that, like, I can't run from the TV fast enough when someone goes on a three-minute rant about tell me where they're going to be. We don't talk about the fit enough. We don't talk. No kidding. But we're here to evaluate and to tell you as our audience and you hopefully will trust us over time.

Here's the talent and here's who the young man is. That's why we spend so much time. This NFL teams, more importantly, the psychology test, the interviews, all these other things that used to be kind of like 20% of the process have become like 60, 70% because we've gotten to know and we've learned from mistakes that it's just about what's inside as it is the talent-wise. And Sam has something inside that a lot of guys don't. Baker, a lot of guys don't.

Josh, a lot of guys don't. Lamar, a lot of guys don't. Just as much as their physical tools. All right, I'm done. I hear you. Yeah. And I'm kind of, you know, I'm... And I'm not red in the face just because I got pissed off about it.

It's also all of a sudden 97 degrees inside of the convention center here. They're pumping in the heat. But go ahead. I'm kind of into it. It's like 40 degrees here. The heat feels good to me. Yeah. You know, I'm really happy for Sam.

I think one of the things you want to talk about with the resiliency is let's not forget that he went to Minnesota and won what 14 games and they said I think we're going to go with the second year quarterback and this part of this rant was about watching guys on TV talking about the draft stuff and also about all of a sudden it was like cute and fun on on social media to call him same darnold yeah well I'm just what I'm saying is this is he could have doubted himself then again and instead of doing that he goes to Seattle and he now he's he's going to the Super Bowl so I'm also happy for you I'm going to be honest with you like you

have been a Sam Darnold guy from the jump. Even when Sam Darnold, it's a famous clip now that everyone likes to talk about, oh, I'm seeing ghosts out there. You know, like, someone caught him saying it, and honestly, is it that bad? Is it that bad of a thing to say? No. I'm struggling

right now. I'm not seeing it. I'm seeing ghosts right now. Saying it to you, like, you should be able to trust the people around to be like, hey, I'm not seeing it. But instead, it's turned into this, like, joke or meme or gift, and just good for him. It's just... I even talk to it and a personnel person here today and I won't mention their name obviously

it was like I just kept waiting yeah I just kept waiting I just kept waiting last night because there's no chance that Sam doesn't get out of this game without making that one mistake he always makes it's pretty cool for Sam yeah it's great it's great story kind of shove it you know right where it belongs for the next two weeks we get to focus on oh this is the guy that we thought he could be and don't forget he was the I think the youngest of all those cats coming out that year and you knew he had to be in the right environment. And also I know I take a lot of heat for all my jet stuff, but like that was what three, four weeks ago and what's happened since?

Yeah. Okay. So let's keep in perspective, yeah, where guys go, but let's not make this scouting process about where guys go. This is about who they are, what they are, what they can bring if develop properly. And God forbid they go somewhere where they just can't. hopefully they get to the next shot somewhere else and someone's ready to kind of bring them in hug them up you know let's go kid and and develop them and both baker in l.A. with mcvay

and sam in san francisco with kyle what's up man um they they both had opportunities with the right people that knew how to kind of patch things together pat him on the ass and like you got this let's go yeah they didn't need long they just need a little bit of time to kind of get Yeah. Oriented. So it's pretty cool to see. And then you get Drake. My goodness.

I mean, we loved them coming out. No one expects anyone to be able to do this because no one has done this since Dan Marino. Yeah. He's the second youngest quarterback to go to the Super Bowl and would be the youngest quarterback to ever win the Super Bowl. And I'm already hearing people on certain shows talking about like, oh, what a disaster. 86 yards, whatever it was, passing, gets the, this is Josh Allen's year. So, like, I want both of these quarterbacks to go shove it, like,

right up everywhere, you know? Like, I hope this turns into a shootout of epic proportions, and both these quarterbacks have record-setting days. I know, but I'm just saying there's just all this negativity, and I don't get where it comes from. Yeah, because Drake went through, like, two and three of the five best defenses in the NFL. to get to where he is.

And Sam has had to overcome a disaster of an organization and pick up the pieces. And with maturity and with time and with the right supporting system has gotten. And then even in the last year, as you mentioned, and everyone's like, same to Arnold. Same to Arnold. Yeah, here we go.

All right, this is going to be an awesome week. Again, 8P each day, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Eastern Time. 8P. 7P, Central Time. Um, 5p Pacific for our LA, California, cats over here, man. It's freezing here. Yeah, Tucker and Dan are freezing. Um, got to change their hotels, though.

Come on, we've got to do better. Yeah, so that's this week. McShea report's going to be going. Mench is going to be all over his social at you good munch, M-U-E-N-C-H. We got the IG live. Mercer tells him my handle is T. McShay. 13. By the way, if I've been getting that wrong the whole time,

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What time is better than this to do it? I enjoyed it. All right. Five stars for my guy, Manch here. And he made it here through a little sprinkle on a drive. And nice you roads. A little wind. He legitimately told me to slow down.

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