The McShay Show - Our Top-200 Big Board: Stacking Safeties, Second-Tier Edges, and WR Intel

Episode Date: April 13, 2026

Welcome back to The McShay Show! Todd and Steve open with some off-the-field news about Miami edge Rueben Bain Jr., and discuss how the latest reports could affect his draft stock. Then, the guys debut their top-200 Big Board with 50 new scouting reports at TheRinger.com/McShay. They rank the safety class, go through their edge tiers, and wrap with some wide receiver intel. 0:00 Welcome to The McShay Show! 2:45 Rueben Bain Jr. reportedly involved in 2024 deadly car accident 15:00 Top 200 big board takeaways 28:45 Evaluating the top guard prospects 35:50 How much weight does bad tape hold? 40:05 Biggest questions around position runs 46:15 Day 2 and 3 edge market 53:25 The latest WR rankings 1:09:00 Draft expectations for Treydan Stukes The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. When you need your fit to deliver, we’ve got you. Shop Men's Wearhouse. Host: Todd McShay Guest: Steve Muench Producers: Tucker Tashjian, Conor Nevins, and Daniel Comer Social: Jon Roemer Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The timing of the Rubin Bain's story leaking is predictably disgusting, but it's still tragic the situation and what our NFL teams thinking about it. We'll get to that today. And on a much lighter, more positive note, our first top 200 of the draft season, Munch, with 150 evaluations live on the site. We're going to get to all of it. And we just have 10 days until the NFL draft. Mench is looking professorial today.

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You got some new gear going today. I'm ready for L.A., man. I'm ready to get to L.A. Let's go. Sunday, we fly out. We've got a big buzz show. I had five conversations, probably four to five hours over the weekend in between some travel lacrosse games for the youngans.

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Amazon.com. Today. Um, but what's on your mind, kid? I mean, let's not dance around it. I think the Ruben Bain News is, you know, it's on everyone's mind if you're, if you're following the draft,

what the fallout's going to be, the timing of it. Uh, I saw your ex post. I think it's important to point out this is not new news. I hate these headlines, man. This is not new news for, teams. I hate the headlines of no context of, you know, it's factual. The post is factual about what

happened, but it gives you no context of how it happened. I will tell you that, you know, I don't, I want to be careful here. I just think it's, it's tough news all around. You obviously feel terrible for the family of the student and lost his life, her life, sorry. I want to get your feel about, you know, what's the fallout here? So, we can't assume that everyone knows the situation. Miami defensive end Ruben Bain, who was a phenomenal football player. It projected to be a top 15 pick, could be top 10 pick, right? The big talk about Ruben Bain has been the short arms for a pass rusher. We haven't had in two decades an edge rusher going the first round with, what is it, shorter than 31-inch arms?

What was his arm like, exactly? It was under 31 inches, yeah. Yeah, under 31 inches. And so that's kind of been the story surrounding Ruben Bain publicly. privately it came to my attention in January that there was a car crash on i-95 in miami that um resulted in reuben bain crash into another car um and and then proceeded to crash into a barrier and it was back in 2024 is is my understanding and the the passenger that was was hit was struck by reuben bain's vehicle was 22 year old destiny bets is her name i don't want

any of this to be lost because all the focus now is how does this affect Ruben Bain's draft stock. Destiny Betts was by all accounts a wonderful, wonderful, beautiful human being and lost her life and her family has dealt with the tragedy. My understanding is went into a coma, didn't die instantly, but never really recovered. And essentially it led to her passing. I was made aware of this right around Senior Bowl, and that teams had had this information for a long time. I can't tell you specifically.

I've even talked to two different organizations yesterday after the news came out. They were, quite frankly, very surprised that they didn't realize it hadn't come out. And that's just two organizations, you know, because it has been vetted. The situation was, they were aware of it for a long time. And people will understandably say, well, why is that there's all these insiders or people who are, you know, cover the draft knew about this situation, didn't report it. And some people could understandably, not justifiably, but understandably say, well, you were so quick to attack Jalen Carter with his situation, right?

Yeah. But let's deal in facts today. And I'm not going to mention the person who put this out 11 days before the draft because I'm not, I'm not. The reason I said in the open is I think it's kind of predictably disgusting the timing of it is this gets a lot of clicks, man. It gets you national headlines when your name is attached to this article. And I know a lot of very well respected people who had this information well before I did. They could have released this.

The Jalen Carter situation, if people want to remember back and actually deal with the facts of it is, I reported on ESPN that he may feel. fall in the dream he was the best player in that draft and why is it that you've got him mocked going somewhere between like seven and ten todd if he's if you're saying he's the best player in the draft and i said there's some character stuff and i told you i had two two or three full pages of stuff prior to the incident coming out i was not aware of the the car crash and that's the parallel that's being drawn here the car crash that led to death fatality right for jalen car car all my information was practice stuff,

fighting with coaches, not showing up. Football character, personal character, all the things that came with Jalen Carter that I think we've seen throughout his career is a juggling act of, my gosh, he is so freaking talented, and my gosh, he's a handful. And then that incident happened at the combine where he was arrested and he left the combine

and returned to the combine and so forth. And that was not the story that I was telling. I was, it's my job to let people know why isn't the first, the best player in the draft going to be one of the top two or three picks. Right. So that's where the parallel, it, they take two different routes, okay? Here's what NFL teams are unpacking with this. It is not, the family of Destiny Betts has,

has mourned her loss and continues to and has come to as they put out in a press release. They don't want this attention. This is ripping open another scab. So it's another reason why it's disgusting to put that out there and put your name on it so that you can get a gazillion clicks, right? Teams have vetted it. They understand the situation. Ruben Bain, by all accounts, is a really good human being. a leader. He's been molded that locker room at Miami. He was the glue guy. Okay. And so,

so you're trying to figure out, is this something that now, now there's reports of another, you know, reckless driving incident in 2025. So there are, there are things to unpack when it comes to Rubin Bain and, and talking to several teams about this over the course of like, subject February, March, April, so three months now. It's more, is there anything else to come down the pipe? And there's concern. Who is it Edgron Cooper, the linebacker who wound up going the second round? Texas A&M.

Texas A&M. I think Green Bay Packers, is that right? Green Bay, yep. After drafted and getting obviously a lot of money, there were lawsuits that then came out. There was already a civil suit here. It doesn't mean there couldn't be more. It does not appear, according to NFL teams, that this family is, driven by that.

And so there's, for teams, it's, will this become a major distraction? We understand the family has come to peace with it. And it's, it's been kind of vetted and I don't want to say there's closure on it, but teams have known about it. Now, I've been told a few teams may, here's the, and this is going to sound insensitive from NFL team standpoint, but if the family is where the family is with this, of the young lady, Destiny Betts,

that NFL teams have to kind of weigh that information. There are some teams that don't necessarily, aren't thrilled about what the PR is going to be. And there are some teams that maybe say, we can lean on the short arm length if we pass at a spot where people were like, well, you needed an edge rusher and you passed on Bain. Right.

And we saw the two best pass rushers in the draft last year were James Pierce from Tennessee and Mike Green from Marshall. Both had off the field character stuff. And Pierce, we've seen it revisited very quickly after arguably he was the best edge rushing rookie of this past year in the NFL. But one late in the first with Atlanta trading back up, the other fell to the second round for the Baltimore Ravens. And for Pierce especially, it was real, for both of them, it was concerned. Is this something that could research? surface, these character issues.

But it was also part of it, let's be honest, PR. You don't want to roll out your first round pick and say, here it is, and then have to deal with all of the questions regarding the off-the-field incidents, right? So that's where we are with Bain. I do not suspect in talking to NFL teams that this is going to lead to some Jeremy Tunsell. And that's the other parallel people are drawing. The Tunsell thing surprised teams.

That was late late. That was like, that was day of. That was hours before the draft. And there were teams we've talked to, you know, since then that were like, we didn't, we didn't know this was coming. And some teams had some clues and all that. And that was a scorned agent in college. But there's not a parallel with the tonsil thing. This is 11 days before the draft, but much more importantly, this, every NFL team has known about this for a long, long time.

So that's the information I have to share. Can I really quickly say that? I think it's easy for people my age to forget what it's like to be 18, 19, 20, 21, whatever it is, to be that age and that you're making bad decisions all the time. And I'm not saying that it's okay. I'm definitely not saying it's okay. But try to keep in perspective what's going on here and that it's not a fully developed human being. And then when you're at that age, you make bad decisions.

And it's what's the saying there, but for the grace of God, go I, whatever it is. You know, like, that's the kind of thing. Like, you just, it's a terrible situation. It's terrible for the family. But it's important that perspective, you know, people keep perspective here. Yeah. And so, and it's the biggest storyline coming off of Sunday into Monday in the NFL draft. But it's not a storyline of breaking news for NFL teams.

So if we're focusing just on the draft portion of it, Rubin Bain's going to be drafted where he's going to be drafted. Now, I mentioned I had several conversations, spent five hours approximately on the phone this weekend. There are some teams that legitimately, and I've been telling you this since November, man. There are, and I would say it's, and one GM was, do you think it's 50-50, like Messador versus Bain? You know, in teams that you've talked to? I said, no, I think it's probably more like 75, 25, 75, 70, 30. But there are teams multiple that, and it comes down to,

we've got Ruben Bain with the short arms, but my gosh, he's a damn good football player. You got Messador with the 25 years old and the durability stuff, but quite frankly, like, it's very mediocre risk is what I'm told with Messador, so it's more about the age. and so and and what do you want one's a better pass rush or one's a more complete football player messador is the better pass rusher bane's a more complete football player so it comes down to what is that your your teams seeking so the argument or the debate for nfl teams is truly

messador versus bane but it's it's long like since this information has been out there so long it's been vetted, teams that might be concerned about the PR issue, maybe they won't draft him. But my intel is saying that this is not, it's going to be much more about Bain and what I just said, the past rushing element with the shorter arms. If he doesn't go, let's say, eight to the Saints or nine to the chiefs or 10 to the, 10 to the, to the Bengals,

it'll be about the football stuff versus, versus that. situation. So there we are. All right, I mentioned. Okay. Unless you can follow up. It's no, it's just it's time to make the transition, I think. And I'm kind of glad to get off the topic, to be honest with you. So the top 200 is out. The ringer.com slash McShay. Please go check it out. We're proud and thrilled to, you know, to share all of our top 200 rankings is out. Top 150 full evaluations are on the site now. So like we got you cover. well into the fifth round in evaluations.

And basically almost the entire draft class with 256 or 257 players drafted. We've got the top 200 rankings out. Next week we'll be back. We talked about it. Sunday night has become our annual buzz show. A bunch of calls already lined up. Three GMs already lined up for Saturday.

Follow-up calls from this weekend already lined up. We get on a plane Sunday morning. We land in L.A. We go to our beautiful new student. studios of Spotify, and we knock out our first show of the long, you know, week, week plus that we are in LA. Then on Tuesday, I believe, is our top 300. That's our final board. Wednesday, we've got our Mach 5.0.

Thursday, there's going to be more information. Might be a Mach 5.1. Stay tuned, right? But today, we're thrilled to drop our top 200. And even in conversations yesterday, Manch, it's like there might be some tweaking. Like there's some, let's give this background. NFL teams, like some teams I talked to got done with one side of the ball with the medical stuff. And I'm getting more information on some of the character stuff.

And then next week I have a conversation they get the other side of the ball with medical stuff. And some teams are kind of wrapping that up already or maybe wrapping it up today or tomorrow. Okay. That's what's actually going on with NFL teams. So when there's movement now, it's not like Mention and I are going back and watching three more tapes or something crazy. like it's it's going to be based off of that kind of stuff. So I'm curious as you look through this board, what jumps out at you that is just intriguing as you rip through it?

I really want to get your feel. I want to get your take on this player because one of the topics for us all year I think was who's going to be, you know, who are the top tight ends in this group? And I see Justin Jolly from North Carolina State, who I thought really flashed at the Senior Bowl, ends up as tight end number three on your board who kind of want to get your kind of take on the player.

The tight ends are interesting. Kenyon and Sadiq could go anywhere from 9 to, let's say, 17. And I think 14 at Baltimore is real. That could be... Is Kansas City in the mix or no? Nine is Kansas City. Oh, you said Kansas City. I'm sorry.

Go ahead. I thought you said Baltimore. Then it's Eli Stowers in the second round. Then we get 28 players invited to the Combine. I think it could be very similar to. what we had last year with the running backs. 26 players, awesome running back class, but only six went in the first three

rounds and 20 went on day day three. Talking to NFL teams, there's a belief because there's so many offensive tackles, edge rushers, wide receivers, even off ball linebackers when we get into day two,

cornerbacks, nickel guys, a lot of nickels. That there could be this massive run on tight ends in day three. Now, that don't get it twisted. When the run starts, it may start at pick 85, you know, like halfway, let's say halfway or just a little bit later in round three.

And so at that point, a Justin Jolly, a Max Clare, a Marlon Klein, Michael Trigg, who's the most talented player in the draft, but a lot to unpack with his, you know, what are you getting? maturity, involvement, football character stuff. It's going to start around, let's say, pick 85, 90, or it could start around pick one-on-one, which is the first pick of day three. So sitting here and predicting, like,

we're going to definitively have five tight ends in the first three rounds. NFL teams don't know. It's a game of hold, hold. And then once one goes, we could have 12, 14, 18 tight ends drafted on day three. Like it could be a historic run. Justin Jolly, though, I mean, you liked them first.

I got to his tape after you. He's, he, Fanon is a decent comp in terms of like, ooh, I like that. You know? Yeah. And look what Fanon did as a rookie. Where did he get drafted? Third? Or was it a second? I want to say third. I can check for you, though.

With the Browns. So he's just a good pass catcher, man. Yeah. Well know. His ability to adjust to the ball, the separation skills. How many guys are big playability guys as you look at him? Now, I don't think he ran, if I remember correctly. Dealing with a little bit of some Knicks, but he had over like 1100 receiving yards, 11 touchdowns,

the final two seasons at NC State. Quarterback's really talented, but not the most pure passer. And so you wonder if he was in a system where they had more efficiency to that position. But he's under 6 foot 4. He's 241 pounds. Average arm length,

but he's got those big hands, catches the ball really well, separates really well, big playability, competes like a son of a gun too. Not the greatest blocker, but he's going to give you effort. So it's a lot of sorting out.

And it also like, what are you looking for at tight end? Some teams want a Sam Roush who can block or a Max Claire who can block but has upside as a pass catcher. Some guys want to Will Kismaric, who's just going to come in and be like an additional offensive tackle for you. Just a glass eater. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Eli Raridens got upside from Notre Dame. There's just a lot of good tight ends.

but I think we're going to see that run get pushed off because you know you can get one. And if you don't get the best blocking tight end, you get the second best. And he's really good. You know, if you don't get the best, like, receiving tight end, then you get the second or third best. And there's a lot of those guys and there's some upside guys.

So that's where I think that run on tight ends is going to go. Nice. Everyone who's watched a show from the beginning knows that I am, I was absolutely in love with South Carolina safety, Nickyman Worry coming out. And he obviously had a good. good year and the role Mike McDonald knew exactly what to do with that kid had a pretty good year for them they go on and win a Super Bowl I am not saying this is a dekeem and worry but vj pain the safety

from tCU is you know we've got him in the third round a third round grade right now I'm intrigued because I feel like this is the closest thing in this class that we have doing nick even war he's not as big he's 206 pounds but he's also six three and a quarter inch he's 33 and three quarter inch he's 33 and three quarter inch arms and he ran a four four again not quite nick eeman worry but if you're one of these teams or and it's a copycat league and you're thinking i kind of want to do what they did with emin warry in seattle i'm fascinated by this player kind of wanted to wanted to see what you thought i actually had talked to a high-ranking executive last night about pain and and it was it was interesting about pain and a couple other guys that i don't want to say that's similar

but going to be a great player if he's in the right scheme. Right? And so a team's not going to draft him to the wrong scheme. But it's not a guy that you want man to man in some coverage situations, even though he looked good in certain, you know, like this was the Senior Bowl or a, he's a guy who is going to bring a lot of versatility and can drop the hammer and has speed and has some pop and all those sorts of things. this safety class is really good and I feel like we haven't talked a lot about it

because it feels like there's almost closure in it a little bit. Like we know downs is on one level. Talking to NFL teams, it's like downs is on one level. Teams are higher than on downs, by the way. Don't get twisted by the media. Teams are higher on downs. Teams think that like you've got a tough decision to make. They're not saying he's going five to the Giants,

but like you absolutely do need to consider him at five. I'm fascinated to see where he ends up in your last month. I can't wait. There are multiple teams don't think he gets past Cincinnati at 10. So you get downs in that elite level. Then teams I've spoken to at least, there's a lot of like for EMW, Emmanuel Neil Warren coming out of Toledo.

And by like, I mean like really, really like. But it's more late first, early second fringe, right? But for a team like a Chicago, sitting at what, 25, that needs an edge or a safety. It could surprise and go offensive tackle, but it looks like edge or safety. They're looking for versatility of that position. It's a possibility.

But teams I talk to won't be shocked if he's still sitting there and goes in the first five picks of round two. And there's a lot of players like that this year. Thineman is in between those two. He's not the elite elite, but they'll be surprised if he, like, look at Minnesota, Chicago's another one, that he's the second safety.

That doesn't mean all teams. I'm not talking, I didn't talk to 32 teams this weekend. I'm just saying there's a feeling. So that that's kind of your top three. And that kind of, if you want to tier it, it's downs, Deneman, Emmanuel McNeil Warren. Okay. Then after that, and we'll get to this name in a little bit, trade-ins, trade-in Stukes from, from Arizona is like, I think very clearly the number four safety for teams I'm talking to.

But then you got Bud Clark and you get Jalen Kilgore. Jalen Kilgore is an interesting player. Very interesting player who's a big physical, like he's almost completely be like a corner, but also a big nickel, you know, like, but got worked over by Antonio Williams. That was, if you want to see his negative game, that Clemson games is his negative game.

Yeah. He had some funny conversations about Antonio Williams and he's new cleats. Like, why is he slipping so much in some of his routes for as good as a route? So, like, these are the conversations I'm having. It's not just like, who's going one, who's going to? Like, every single person I talk to, we go through the positions.

What are you hearing? Medical character. What did you see? We aligned, or if we're not aligned, let's talk about it. And then I think after you get to, like, the Stukes and the Clark and the Halsey, A.J. Halsey from LSU and the Kilgore, then it gets to VJ. Payne. If I'm being honest with you, there's a lot of you. a sense in the league.

He's probably, but not definitively, a Saturday early guy. Yeah. But wouldn't be surprised for the right team. The second we saw Eam and Warre get drafted by Seattle, we're like, he's going to be a star. Right. Wouldn't be surprised if that was a late, late day two pick. The player that's got a lot of love is Kamari Ramsey, go back to the 2024 tape. They utilize them in a different role this past year.

Way better on that tape. Way better in 2024. I went back because I wasn't. blown away with 2025 and I went back and watched all the his targets from 2024 different player man different player yeah so for all the scumb bags that get their pen and paper out right now we're giving you a lot of like what's really going on with NFL teams skum bags here we go not you not you the the fine viewers and listeners on on Netflix Spotify Apple audio and everywhere else you get your podcast not not the

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Yeah. I just got to tell you, man. We're going through this. I'm on the ringer.com. Tom McShay, when you see my eyes go down, the ringer.com slash Todd McShay. And you see my eyes go down.

I'm playing on the big board. Or slash McShay, if you don't want to type two words. Those extra. And I'm just sitting these tabs, man. Like, I'm like, oh, let's talk about the safetys. Just hit the safety tab. I'm going to talk about a guard right now. Hit the interior offensive line.

I mean, Dan Comer is killing it with getting this all up. The content's amazing. The site looks amazing. It's just unbelievable. What the guy I want to talk to you about is you've got a log jam here. You have three guards within 85. I know. I know.

They're ranked 45, 46, 47. Those three guards are Keelon Rutledge from Georgia Tech, Emmanuel Pregnon from Oregon, and then Chase Basantis from Texas A&M. The guy I want to talk about is Chase Pesontas because I think there's been some, and you tell me not to do it, but some Twitter mafia love for him maybe as a potential first round pick, which makes me think that someone somewhere said that.

I don't love the player that much. I don't, I'm not as high. I think there's a drop-off between Rutledge and Bregnan and Bissontas. And Bissontas is super athletic. He's a very good player. Don't get me wrong. He's probably a day two guy. I think he's more of probably round three for me.

But he had sub-32-inch arms at the combine, which is hard to trust now, man. I went back and looked, Dane Bruegler had a tweet about this last year where it was 43 of the 46 offensive lineman. This is last year, not this year, but 43 of the 46 offensive linemen who were measured at the Columbine had longer arms at their pro day. So it's becoming a thing. And we see this again this year. I don't have the specific numbers, but I am always looking at pro day numbers for the offensive linemen to try to get more accurate. Or the Shinnebel ones.

So Basantis was sub 32. He was only 32 at his pro day. So this guy with short arms. And I think, again, well, does it show up on tape or not? To me, it does. I mean, it shows up on tape with the way he over extends and the way he loses as a pass blocker. There are a ton of reps you're looking at him.

You're like, man, that guy's athletic. He moves really well. He's a great pass blocker. And then you mix in. You're like, oh, there's kind of a fatal flaw here. And I do get concerned that it's going to be more exposed at the NFL level. But three, I don't know. You usually don't do this.

You don't like this. This is your brain doesn't operate like this. Tell me if I'm wrong, but your brain does not like looking down. Because you always say to me and when Kevin was with us, make up your goddamn mind. Like get off the fence and choose, right? So here you are. I mean, we're 10 days to the draft.

And I was stunned to see 45, 46, 47, same grade, three offensive guards. Very fair points, especially the get off the fence. You're part of the problem, if it is a problem. Because quite frankly, I think it goes, I don't, here's the deal. You have a, you like Rutledge a lot more than you like Basantus. I think, I don't think there's a big gap between the, you and I both like Pregnon a lot. Right. You like, I like Bessantis more than you like Bessantis, but I don't love him.

You like Pregnan a lot, as I said, and you love Rutledge. And so I'm probably a little higher on Bessantis, you're lower, and I'm trying to kind of keep everything in mind. And you're my offensive line guy. So I defer to you, and I, it's not a lot. Not that I don't trust, I trust you implicitly at every single position. It's just like when you're this adamant about something, it affects, I'm going to like, okay. Here's what I do know. Let's just talk about what NFL teams are saying.

I think I have them in the right range, okay? I think you're right about that. I talk to one team and it's pregnon. If you're just talking about these three guards. after vanga you want a like across the board and i see like on tour where he's not that athletic he's not this he's not that he's so overrated he he's not um who's the who's the who's the guard uh he's not quitting nelson he's and and people will agree with that but everyone i talk to in a draft where you don't have like it's not like quarterbacks and edge rushers and and offensive

tackles that are elite elite elite um when you don't have you know like the boast this is one year or, or who, give me some names. If you don't have Joe Alt at offensive tackle, you don't have, you know, if you don't have, offensive tackle, edge, if you don't have the quarterbacks, right? You don't have Miles Garrett. You don't have Khalil Matt, you know, like. Right. When you don't have those guys up top, teams are also looking at this, a little bit like last

year and saying he's the safest offensive lineman in this draft i love moly noa but he might be a guard and is he a right tackle and like the guy that i know it and and i talked to someone last yesterday who said flat out he's like those three guards that went in the first round right and it started at what um 12 with tyler booker tyler booker 12 yeah for uh Dallas he's like this guy's better to Tyler Booker. He's like, so if you're, you know, if you're going off of that, and you and I both agree with that. So, so you want a across the league is the best guard. But then there are these, these three guys that belong early second round, but there are teams in the back end of the first round that are looking at it and saying, I don't want to miss on my first round pick. And so if they're higher on pregnon, maybe that's a pregnon team.

If they're higher on Basantas, maybe that's a, maybe that's a Bissontas team. If they're higher on Rutledge. And that's why you're seeing in some of these mock drafts now, because you talk to people around the league and maybe the person you talked to last or the person that you trust the most is saying like, yeah, it won't shock me. I got about 12 guys that are in the don't, it won't shock me. Don't be shocked if. It could be in the last five, six picks of the first round.

So that's what's going on in the league and that's what's going on with the information coming out. and that's why Peter Schrager, after all of his conversations, may throw into this guy or Daniel Jeremiah may throw into that guy. You know, it could be Rutledge one week. It could be Bissontas another week. That's the fallout. I think they're all in that 35 to 45 range, 47 range, whatever it is, and maybe they creep up a little bit in our final rankings,

but I think it's going to be right around there. And you and I are going to sit down, and we're going to go through tomorrow. We're going to go through three rounds of a mock draft. We'll have some discussions there. Then we got a flight out to L.A. And we got all day Monday, and we're going to go through final discussions and set our board. So maybe we get a little bit of separation, but I'm going to guess they're within six, seven, eight, nine picks of one another.

Six, seven. I know. That's why I would eight, nine. Let me ask you to this really quickly because I think it applies to DeSantis. How much weight do you put into a bad tape? How much, how much, and I'm going to say specifically with him, Miami. And that was with a lot of offensive linemen, man. I know it's tackles, but Bissontes was not good in the Miami game.

That's how he ended his career. It's hard for me to get it out of my mind, how poor he was in past protection in that game. Other games, he was fine. How much do you put into one, I mean, I don't want to say terrible. That's, you know, like a poor performance that they just don't play well. And you can, if you're someone who's in a draft room and saying, we shouldn't take this guy, this is the tape you're pulling up. So how much weight do you put in that? I think traits it's more prevalent with offensive tackles.

I think with guards specifically, teams, when I talk to them, it's our own line coach loves him. He's nasty. He's dependable. He's durable. He's going to be there, and I can count.

He's smart. I can count. And don't forget this part, because we don't, we're not working for a scheme. He fits what we do. Those are the conversations I have. have our old line coach loves this guy man he fits what we do he's the character of that

offensive line room he's good he's an he's an additive he's a force multiplier in that old line room that old line right talked to mickey lumas and he was talking about how he was raised on like that old line room has got to be like the the foundation of your football team and i don't disagree your d line room your d line room should be the bouncers at the club your O-line room should be the dependable, consistent force with intelligence and no nonsense and an element of toughness and an element of like teammates and protecting our, our quarterback and are just who we are. Okay.

And so a lot of times it comes down to that, man. I'm just comfortable with that guy. He's what we want, you know? So it's part in interviews, background checks. And like I can code. Yeah. I saw those five plays against Miami. We're not going to ask him to do that.

You know, so that's kind of where a lot of that stuff happens, I think. I don't think. Yeah. No. Yeah. All right. Let's get in your buckets. You're a buckets guy.

Let's talk about some of your buckets in the top 200 and some of the players that you want to talk about. I was yelled at last week because I apparently talked too much about my players. I want to give you the floor and make sure that, you know, your feelings don't get hurt this week. I didn't yell at you, did I? Yeah, a little bit. You were like a 295 names. I had five names. I forget who we were arguing about.

Yeah, yeah. Made for a better show. So some interesting stuff, right? Oh, man, I've got so many. There's a lot to unpacking this thing, man. We could do three hours. I'm still printing stuff out, by the way. I'm still printing out my reports.

I got to break the habit. I'm bringing an iPad. I'm going to L.A. with an iPad, not with notebooks. Got that, Marissa? He doesn't need anything printed, Marissa. The ringer.com slash McShay is where I'm going to be working off of. but not today. Predictably, the receivers and the edge rushers are fascinating to NFL teams.

The questions I get most, and I told you, where I get my intel is not necessarily like me asking a question. It's where do I get the questions. And I've got so much stuff that's mock draft driven that I'm going to unpack this afternoon as I start the mock 1.0 and we'll finish it tomorrow and you and I will do, sorry, mock. 4.0 that comes out on Wednesday, fired up for that. We'll have a show on Wednesday. It'll be live on the website, the ringer.com slash McShay.

And then in the second round of the mock will be out on the newsletter. And you don't have to Google the McShay report anymore. Go to the ringer.com slash McShay. And you can get all there and subscribe for the premium content. And then more premium content that will roll out the next several days before we get out to L.A., team needs. but in addition to just doing team needs for all 32 teams,

we're going to have three rounds worth of a mock so you can look and say, okay, this is how our draft could look after the first three rounds, which is pretty cool, something we've never done before, okay? So with all that said, the edge, the questions I'm getting the most on, where's this offensive tackle run going to go? And I'm like, oh, they're going, they want an offensive tackle.

They're sitting in the teens or the 20s. When's that run after the first two guys going to, you know, where's Proctor go? Could he go as high as six? Cleveland move out of six? And then it's the edge rushers. Where's that second run going to go after after David Bailey,

Arvel Reese and Ruben Bain and Messador? It kind of seems like. Where are those other guys going to go? So let's start with edge and wide receivers the same thing. The edge rush is going to go a little bit earlier than the second edge rush. after David Bailey and Arvel Reese and Bain and even maybe Messador. Where's that second edge run going to go? And I say that because teams are really curious about, all right,

we've got, Caldric Falk, I think, will be the fifth edge off the board after the four names I just mentioned. Okay. Based off of my intel, okay? Scumbags, get your pens and paper. get your notes out on your phone. But then the question becomes this, Mench, and this is what's fascinating to me.

Where does that next run go? Because if Falk, in reverse order, Fock and Messador and Bain and Reese and Bailey are all gone in the top 20, do I have to use a late first round pick on Zion Young, T.J. Parker, Gabe Accus,

R. Mason Thomas, Cassius Howell. Cassius Howell is going to be an interesting one. You think he's going first round? No way. I don't anymore. Yeah, me neither. There's some stuff to sort through.

And with the arm length and there's just some stuff to sort of. A little worried about the run defense. There's a lot there. Some other stuff too. So, yeah. Howell's a firm second rounder. Okay.

Okay. But then it's, all right, if we don't get one of those guys, there's still some dudes that we're interested in. And the two that teams are asking me the most about, and the first one actually will be a part of that second run, talking the second round, Malachi Lawrence. Yep.

And so then when they ask me about Malachi Lawrence, I say, well, okay, the run tape's not as good. And then there's a lot of noise. No, I know that. And there's a lot of noise about the effort versus the run compared to, because that's what you're going to, read right now. Talking to people, I just think he's tall and he's lean and I don't think he is like the

most complete player versus the run. And you can see there on our spider graph on our scouting report, it's just, it's not his strength. But why do passes, why do edges get paid? They get paid to rush the quarterback. Right. And do you see that toughness motor thing that everyone's been questioning? I didn't question it.

You didn't question it. No. I talked to a GM yesterday. Dude, I don't, like, I don't, I don't know what you're reading. Did you watch the tape? Did you have a problem with this toughness? No, I didn't. But there are reports out there now.

He's like, yeah, he's like, he's like, trust your eyes. He's like, I love his toughness versus the run. He's just not great at it. No, he's not. Yeah. But David Bailey, but David Bailey's not great at it, and he's probably going to be the number two overall pick. And then the thing I was point,

I was pointed back to, he's like, do you love the tape? I was like, yes, what do you love about the tape? I'm like, he plays his ass off. He's got a motor. He's a great pass rusher. He's actually advanced. I was worried he was going to be this developmental guy. He's at the East West Shrine, UCF.

He's not on tape. And you were the first one to market with it, Mench. And I agreed and came and stamped it. And then how many guys have six four, 253, but 33 and 5 eighth inch arm length at the combine, which means it's right around 34 inches probably, if you're going off of everybody else's arms grew at Pro Day. With a 40-yard dash, it was second best of the edge rushers, right?

Or no, sorry, the vertical jump of 40 inches, second best. 10-Tead Broad, best, lower-body explosion. 4-5-2 second-best of the, and this isn't some 6-3-245 guy. Right. This is 6-4 and almost a half, 253, running a 452. And what did I always tell you? It started with the Bill Pollian thing. And as I've talked to GMs around the league, that 1-60 number, you run a 160 or faster,

that 10-yard split, it's elite. Well, he had the second best at 604-3, 253 pounds in the 10-yard split with a 159. So Malachi Lawrence is going higher than people are trying. to indicate recently. It's been, his stock has been, yeah, I kind of like him, day two, possibly. To, could he go late first?

To, yeah, but he doesn't play the run. He's not tough versus run. To talking to teams in the league, it's like, no, he might not get out of the top 50. Yeah. I'm with you on that. I mean, the other,

go ahead. He's got the same frame that Khalil Mack had coming out of Buffalo. Tape's not as good, but Khalil Mack played at Buffalo. It's just, to me, that's a very intriguing comp. That is the absolute ceiling.

Don't get me wrong. Kaleel Mack is an unbelievable player. That's the absolute ceiling. But there are shades of that of Killelemax game in Malachi Morris. And so, so then you start looking at who are the other guys, right? Who are the other guys at Edge when you get into day three? And there's a lot of mixed. People love Kieran Crawford.

They recognize he's not great versus the run. But my gosh, is he a tone setter coming out of Auburn? I love him. I love them too. I just love them, but I recognize, like, probably can't use a first second round pick on him. Yeah, the size and he's, but the guys who I think are Saturday guys that could come in if there's a run late on day, day two, Joshua Joseph's Tennessee. Donnie Dennis Sutton looks the part. What are you getting from Penn State?

Yeah, that surprised me a little bit of how high he was, but go ahead. L.T. Overton, I think, is going to be a Saturday. Saturday guys, we go and re-rack all these things. Just, he's, is he, is he versatile? Or is he kind of a tweener? And more so, does he love ball? I'll just be honest. That's, that's kind of the weight fluctuation, the, like, the tape fluctuation.

That's kind of, that's, that's the reason. If he doesn't go in the first three rounds, it's a little bit of, like, is, what are we going to get? Another player, I thought, had a better 24 than 25. Yes. very clear like Derek Moore is going to go on day two the Michigan edge powerful long all that stuff still developing a little in some ways but the other Michigan guy who I watched his tape very recently even as is is recently not my tape watching even as recently as the USC if you watch his tape right throughout the course of the year he's playing a lot of off ball versus USC was it USC? or was it Oklahoma? It was early in the year.

It might have been Oklahoma. And then all of a sudden you see this shift. What week did they play USC? I swear he was off ball. He was almost off ball exclusively last year. And then earlier this year. But even early this year, the conversion,

the true conversion kind of happened as the season progressed where you saw a lot more of him at edge, is my point. Teams are asking me a lot of questions about him, which means he's going. And I think he's going to go in the first three rounds. I think he's going to be gone by the time we get to Saturday.

And I don't feel like we've talked enough about him. The toughness in the motor is sensational. His versatility is obvious. You know, is an off-ball linebacker edge who can drop in cover, who can rush the quarterback. He's not as skilled, like in terms of his array of pass rush moves yet. But J. Sean Barham, from Michigan is a player that teams are really intrigued by like, huh,

maybe in the 80s or 90s, I can get this guy and see what he can provide. He ran a 161 split right there, yeah. He's right there around the number. He had 82, so 24 and 25, he total, 193 total tackles, 23 for loss, 12 sacks, 82 pressures. so much. And he wasn't even exclusively an edge. 82 pressures, man. Seven pass breakups, an interception. And you

watch his tape and yeah, he's still learning some stuff as an edge rusher. But like Jalen Walker, you know, where you have to draft him in the first round, we've seen a lot of these conversion guys. And I look at it

and I talk to teams and it's like, yeah, it makes sense. I liked him. He played 586 career snaps at edge. 311 of those were in 2025. The flashes I wrote just so intriguing. Like, oh, man, there's so much here.

You know? I think people remember him for the headbut in the Ohio State game with the ref. Yeah. Which is unfortunate because he's a good player, man. Like, he's a very good player with a lot of upside. Yeah, I'm cool with it. I told you.

I need my edge guys to be. absolute psychos. And he's not even like he just the way he plays the game. Maybe not head buddy roughs, but I get you. I got you. I hope you. It's a different.

It's a different wiring. Yeah. The bouncers at the club, right? Yeah. And I thought he actually set a weirdly hard edge for 240 pounds. I really did. I don't know. He's a guy that's that I think we're hearing a lot about.

the Overtins, the Josephs, and other guys, I'm getting questions on, on J. Sean Barham and where he's going to wind up going. And so that leads me to believe, the Deni Dennis Sutton, those are the guys that you're hearing a lot about, but Barham is the guy that's, that NFL, multiple NFL teams are asking me about because they're starting to look at this thing and say, all right, well, I may need a tackle or I may need a receiver in the second round or I may need this interior defensive lineman or whatever position who can I get? Who's going to be around when I pick in the third?

You know? Yeah, I like this group. Deni Denison is a little high for me. I wouldn't be surprised if you're last year. Last iteration of these grades, he drops a little bit behind. Yeah, he's not. I wasn't, I didn't stay true to myself in that. And you know what? If he goes in the top 100, then I don't care. I'm going to, it's going to be our guys in the top 100. And then obviously there's some

Intel to try to try to keep that huddle report scored. I and piss mench off. All right, wide receivers. What are you saying? Just the, it's tough. Like, I get it. We have this debate every year of knowing where a guy's going to go and how much does it affect the grade.

And we don't listen. We're not moving guys rounds. That's not happening. Like when it comes down to separators. Well, here's the thing, Munch. It truly, there's like 15. And I know I drive you nuts. I know.

There's 15 guys that either, that honestly could go late, third, early fourth. And so if we have 30 guys that are of like 68 to 71 grades, what I'm doing is I'm going in and they're all in this bucket. And even as I talked to teams yesterday, they're like, yeah, that, that's safe. could go late three if the safety run happens. That edge could go late, late third round. Yeah, if the edge run. That corner could go. But so I'm leaning on Intel to separate this bucket of players.

I'm not moving a fifth into the third because I want to have the highest one, the huddle report.com. But I will still call you and tell you that I like the Toledo Center more than I like the Michigan safety. And I'll be like, dude. The grade hasn't changed. He's 101 on the board. Yeah. Wide receivers are interesting.

We'll get to more of it when we do the mock draft on Wednesday. The Tate versus Lemon versus Tyson thing is wild. I'm still... Really? I thought Tate won. Is Tate not won this race? Tate is won for most teams. I thought it was old.

The teams, the teams that are... are intrigued by Tyson, Chiefs being one of them, picking at nine, maybe don't work. Here's the thing. The toughness thing we talked about, I don't think,

like for me, it wasn't a thing, and we covered that ad nauseum last week. For you, it wasn't a thing. Yeah, he's not going to, he's not going to be the strongest through the catch point, but not many guys can separate

and catch the ball and can give you first downs and some big plays. like this guy can. Truly, it's, that knee injury was severe. It was an ACL, an MCL, a PCL. And the medical rechecks are coming back. And some teams are doing their offensive stuff.

And so there's, and some teams just finished with it. It's more long term. Like, and it's not degenerative as much as it is, like, could this be some, you know, as the medical teams come in and they're talking to football, guys. It's like, all right, so if we're trying to build this thing five, seven years, right? But if you're the chiefs and you get Mahomes and we're looking at maybe a two, three year window and we got Kelsey's back for one more year, you know what I mean? Like maybe it's not as important.

Medical grades are different for different teams because of what their mission statement is, if you will, for lack of a better phrase. That's why it's interesting. Those are the three best receivers. What's also interesting is Omar Cooper for some teams is not as high as what this recent push has been media was. People really like them. Is he that dynamic? When we're talking about a top 15 pick. Oh, top 15, I get. Okay, okay.

I'm glad you said that. I'm glad you said a top 15. For some people, the number I was throwing around in these conversations. was as a top 20 pick. And the pushback I got, I'm not saying 32 teams. I'm saying a couple teams. Love them.

Don't forget, like Omar Cooper, when we talked about it early in the process, like, is he a third, is he a second? And we dive into a tape and we're like, really like him. But my true grade was later first. And where do we have them right now? I think you're like 25th in the class,

something like that? 19. Okay, 19. So it's right. It's hovering around. that range. And the pushback is we got offensive tackles, we get edges, we got, you know, we get these six to eight elite players.

We got like 12 or 13 true first round grades in every year. He's not one of those guys and he's not, so I'm just, but you said there's 12 of those. No, no, I just want, I just kind of, like, as you always say, you want to further the conversation. I'm not killing you. My reaction is we think there's 12 of those players. the two corners, then the edges, the tackles, Mendoza, right? Love styles.

When it all adds up, there's 12 players there, right? And they're broken into different groups. Here's what you want to, or let's get into it. Go ahead. Yeah, go. Mendoza, because he's going one, this is not ranked, but this is just kind of, I actually These are the 12. When talking to teams, I broke it into two categories, okay?

These are the six of the first, if we're talking about the 12, this is the first tier of that 12. It's Mendoza and Love on the offensive side. It's Bailey Reese Stiles and Downs on the defensive side. That's six. Get your pens out, scumbags. I don't know why. I love that.

Then there's the second tier. And notice the offensive tackles aren't there. The receivers aren't in there. The corners aren't in there. Delane, despite the, McCoy 40 and the workout and all that. Delane for most teams is still very clearly the number one corner. But in that second group, and I know you and I both agree,

but I also like if you're a man-to-man team versus if you're a little bit more match and all that, I got you. Like the Saints are going to want Delane definitively. Some teams are pure man-to-man and like in McCoy might, but for the most part, it's Delane. So in that second tier when we get to the 12 or so guys, it's Carnell Tate and Delane at the top of that second tier. It's the two offensive tackles, Maui Noah and Fano.

It's Bain and it's McCoy and it's Lemon and it's Tyson, right? And it's Sadiq. And then you for the, and then you get past and oh, And it's, and it's, it's, it's Venga, you want it. Yep. So I didn't count that number, but it should be right around 12, right? Because it was, it was six in the first list, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12. Yeah.

With Tate and Delane, the two offensive tackles, Bain and McCoy, that's 12. And then you get to the set. Those, Tyson and Lemon for most teams would come after that 12, as we laid out for you last week. Right. Sidique would probably be at the top of that group with the wide receivers. Then you get into the other offensive tackles like the Proctor and those guys.

Freeling, Blake Miller. Yeah. And then you're in the Omari Cooper range with some other guys too. So that's how teams are looking at it for the most part. So what makes McIlleman so goddamn dynamic? Like I don't get that. Like why is he so dynamic

and Omar Cooper. He's not in that first tier or second tier. I know, but we're talking about him in that 15 to 20 range, right? Like we're talking about him in that range. Some teams aren't as high on Lemon as others. I'll be honest. Okay. I think for the more, I'm trying to hire the Cooper.

I tried to tell you this a week or two ago. Yeah, you did. The receivers are not as high, but there are some teams out there lurking that look at Tyson, just like you look at Tyson. So don't push back on this, Munch. You've told me all along. Jordan Tyson's the best receiver if you tell me he's going to be healthy in play.

Well, if you're the chiefs, if you're a couple, if you're the, I don't want to throw the Rams in there because some teams think the Rams are Lemon. Some teams think the Rams are Denzel Boston. My intel is telling me you've got one receiver,

maybe two at the top, if you're cool with his, if you're cool with his injury stuff, Tyson. Then it's lemon. But for other teams, it's Tate and Lemon, and they're not cool on his,

so basically their grade's going to be in spot where they're not taking Tyson anyway. And it's not about the toughness. It's about longevity. Yeah. Okay. That I understand. And then from the teams I'm talking to,

the fourth receiver is, it's kind of Denzel Boston. Don't eat that. And conception. In conception over Cooper? Yes. Don't kill the messenger. No, I'm just telling you.

No, thank you. Yeah, no thinking. I talked to two teams that just said, Tate, Tate, Lemon Tyson, in whatever order, depending on what you want, I'm actually reading my notes. Tate's the safest, you know what you're getting. Tyson's got the most upside, but the longevity. Lemon is the guy that, like, he's a really good player.

Yeah, like, I told you, the interviews haven't been awesome. There's some inconsistency there. Is he as dynamic as you think? But those are the three for most teams. Then it's Concepcion and Cooper and Denzel in a bucket. For some teams, it was Concepcion, Denzel, and Cooper. Interesting. I'm just telling you.

It is interesting. I hear you. I have all these notes. I'm like, and I wrote next to Cooper. Why? Not dynamic. One guy said, we're split within the organization. Some are, he's mid-fur, like, clearly.

That sounds like healthy organization, by the way. Some are, some are we're, like, early second is the value based off of how we value, you know, and there's fights inside there. Like, they haven't resolved it. They haven't resolved it yet, which is awesome. Good. Yeah, there should be. Yeah.

And then after that, and this is what I wanted to get to. And it took us a while to get there, but it was important we just had that conversation because it gives you context. Then there's this intriguing. The wild card for everyone is Bell, Chris Bell, Louisville. Coming off the injury, ACL against SMU, November 22nd, 2025. Missed the final games, surgery, not recovered in time to participate in pre-draft, as we all know, but ahead of schedule according to the doctors.

If you look at McShay.com or the ringer.com slash McShay, you can see there. The competitiveness, not good. Erratic. The tape is up and down. Where is he running the routes? Is he where it needs to be? Is he blocking? The separation, not great.

But my goodness, does this dude catch the ball? And does he transition? That's the thing, two different guys I talked to yesterday. they were likening it to think about like what Green Bay's got and the Steelers have gotten. He is the wild card in this group because if you're comfortable with him and even if you're kind of not, he could be so damn explosive. His transition acceleration after the catch, if you can scheme him up to get him open and get him one step on a defender slash defense where his momentum catch through, he provides a different element than a lot of these other guys.

And I look at him like contested catches, nah, 50-50 balls only 46.2 this past year. But his pluck and transition smoothly is what gets everyone in that explosive second gear. I wrote it in my report. I'm literally reading my report, the 1335 fourth quarter versus Miami. That example, you watch that play. It's what NFL teams are talking to me about with him. And so while you don't know what you're getting and you're worried about all the other stuff,

like A.J. Brown is a handful. Yeah. Is Debo a comp? Is there any Debo there? Absolutely. Yeah. But faster. Debo had some stuff coming out. AJ Brown had some stuff.

D.K. Metcalf had some stuff. They all went in the second round. Correct me if I'm wrong. I think that's right. South Carolina for Debo. and Ole Miss for the other two, okay? So Chris Bell is a guy that I think is going to wind up maybe going in the top 50 despite the injury, the lack of competitiveness, the up and down tape, the inability to separate

because he can do something that very few others can't. And he's going to be in the range, but I'm starting to think by my conversations, it's going to go, Bell, the triple B's. Kiper would have a field day with this. I can hear him right now. It's the Bs. It's the Bs. It's the B, B, B, B, B.

It's Bell, Brazzled the second from Tennessee. Those are the two guys are like, not sure what we're getting. But my gosh, you can't teach. You're intrigued. Yeah. You can't teach six foot four and four three speed and, you know. And then the third B in that is my guy branch. And for opposite reasons, just small and straight line.

She's tight. But part of what makes him tight is he's so. yoked up and thick but tight as like a route runner not as a ch guy yeah all satellite team

McShee report he was the he was the award winner so those are the three Bs that we're looking at mid late second round for teams okay a wide receiver then you get into the third round

still a bunch of dudes you know Bernard Jeremy Bernard from Alabama teams really like late second, early third, gotcha. And if you're listening on Apple or wherever you're getting your podcast, Mention is just shaking his head because he likes Jeremy Bernard. And he thinks I'm a sellout because I was first to market on Jeremy Bernard. Again, not dynamic enough.

That's so, like, let's get that guy. I'm so tired of that term, dude. Okay. I'm so tired. Antonio Williams. That is like, we're talking now in that, in that range. Dion Branch. Oh, no, not Deon Burks.

Deo Brze. Shout out Deon Branch. Deon Branch. Zachariah Branch is late, second, early third. Dionne Burks is with like the Antonio Williams and Bernard and all that. But the guy that I was thrilled to hear is one to become one of my guys in this draft. A lot of love. Guess.

I actually guessed it. Bryce Lance. He's going to go on the third. Who else? Oh. You got Malachi High Fields. Is he getting love now? No, probably third.

All right. What are we doing here? Just tell me. Dejawn, Dejohn, Stripling, Ole Miss. Oh, I should have guessed that. I like him too. Catch run transition, just love.

Not as explosive as Bell or not as explosive as Bell, not as explosive or like with Branch or Brasel. the killer bee killer bees that's what kiper would be killer bees in round two um separation you know not great but when you're that big and you run a four three six bro and you get 10 inch hands bro the great hands the size speed and the catch after run that's what everyone's saying and i agree i mean it's all it's all over our report the big playability the competitiveness the toughness they just love the guy. He's not getting out of the third.

It's kind of weird. The guy catches, he has a hundred, I mean, 811 receiving yards for big time program that's in the playoffs. And somehow he's kind of under the radar. It's kind of strange to me how,

how little buzz he's gotten. He's a good player. He's a really good player. Last one, it's safety. We already covered all the safeties. I just want to get to a trade in Stoaks from, from Arizona is a guy.

We have them. at 52. I don't think he's getting out of the top 50. I was told by NFL teams, if you're looking for one who could maybe sneak in, he's like with the, this is what I was told. With Emmanuel,

eminori, if the right scheme fit is there, like he'd be a first round pick to Seattle all day long and maybe a couple other organizations that are trying to do similar things from last year, but only in that scheme fit, Stuk's the same thing.

That Arizona, if you want to find one play on, the best, interception by any defensive back all year. And we've already covered this, but I'll repeat it for anyone who's kind of jumping in light to this process. That interception versus Arizona State, center field, head top, awesome. Yes.

I mean, he's six one of four picks last year, but yeah. He's six one, 190 pounds, not the biggest cap, but he's got those, he's got like, you know, 32 inch arms, basically, almost 32 inch arms. the hand thing is interesting because his ball skills are so outstanding. Right. Yeah. But the 1-5 split shows that ability to accelerate and recover in a flash. He, the 38-inch vertical was fifth among safeties.

The 10-10 broad shown the lower body explosion for a lean-frame guy was first among all safeties. All big 12 this last year. four interceptions, 12 starts outside, 26 starts in the slot, the versatility he brings. I don't think Stoakes gets out of the top 50, according to my conversation. We're right about where he's going to go. So it's not like, but I don't foresee, you know, kind of looking big picture. Yeah. I freaking love him.

Get it all. The ringer.com slash McShay. Yes, Dan Comer has been absolutely grinding. He has lost at least a year, maybe a year and a half off of his life from the last few months. I know he's enjoying working with us, generally speaking. I think maybe he's had some regrets in the last couple months. He's got good skin care, though. I don't know what that means.

Because he still looks young. We haven't ruined his looks yet. Oh, there we go to Vegas with me after the draft. Blow off some steam. Something tells me that would be a good thing for Dan. Yeah. Yeah. But we appreciate it.

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subscribe to the newsletter, the McShea report. You can go to that website and click on it. If you want to Google the McShay report, you can get it. But this is the week that we're going to absolutely load you up with everything you need to know based off of all of our hard work and the valuations. And now based off of a lot of the real information coming from NFL teams, as we get you ready for just 10 days away, the 26 NFL draft. And we'll be out in L.A. for an entire week, like eight, nine days doing it all. from McShea to Mench as I try to land this plane not so eloquently. Five stars, buddy.

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