The McShay Show - Senior Bowl Day 3 Takeaways: Receivers Shine, Second Impressions, and Other Wednesday Standouts

Episode Date: January 29, 2026

It’s Day Three at the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Alabama, and the guys are back to break down the biggest moments from the field in Wednesday’s practice.0:00 Welcome to The McShay Show!0:45 Senior Bow...l day 3 coverage3:25 Story of the Day: The WR Group 26:05 Second Impressions 43:30 Day 3 Standouts 55:50 Verdict Still Out 1:00:10 Nudge guys The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available.Host: Todd McShayGuest: Steve MuenchProducers: Tucker Tashjian, Conor Nevins, and Daniel Comer Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:05 We've got a lot to share. It's a jam-packed show, and I got news for you. There's only 85 days until the NFL draft. So the guy in my right is getting a little bit nervous, but Mench, you good? I'm great, man. Tucker, roll that beat. Here we go. You know what I love about this year's Senior Bowl, okay? It's not as quarterback-driven. And we made a mistake, and we listened to, or we read the comments, and we listen to the feedback. Yeah, we talked too much about the quarterbacks yesterday. We're not going to do it again today. I might mention that Nussmeier kind of carried himself pretty well today and maybe is ascending. Yeah, it's kind of, I would say, removing himself from the pack.
Starting point is 00:01:07 But otherwise, we've got, the reason why I love it is because I feel like we're back in the old days, man. Like, I'm not working at ESPN. I don't have to just talk about quarterbacks. We got a bunch of players that may be day two, early day three, that are going to be impact players in the NFL. and we get to unearth some of that talent. The McShea show is presented by Fanduel. Playoff mode is on, and Fandul's got it all. Same game parlays, quick bets for jumping in live,
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Starting point is 00:02:02 Call 1-88-78-989-7777 or visit cpg.org slash chat in Connecticut. So this year has felt a little different. Some people might be complaining. Like, well, we don't have, last year we had two guys from the National Championship. We had Jackson Dart. We had Jalen Milrow. And, like, I get it. This year we got Garrett Nussmeyer, and we got Sawyer Robertson, and we got Tailing Green,
Starting point is 00:02:30 and we got, you know, we got a North Dakota State quarterback and an Illinois quarterback, and it's not the same. But what is great is that there's a lot of players that are going to be playing in the NFL next year, and we've been able to focus on all the other positions besides quarterback. Okay. So this year, in today's practices, we're a big jump up in terms of the competition, the tempo of things. Really?
Starting point is 00:02:53 Yeah. Just heated. Oh, things were rolling today. What you would expect, Tuesday's kind of that, like, everyone's feeling their way around, learning the language of the offense, learning their assignments on defense,
Starting point is 00:03:06 trying to go all out, but they're just not ready yet. Wednesday's the last full day of pads where it's not, you know, red zone and all those sorts of things. And you can tell they let it rip today at every position. So that was a blast. My favorite day. Yep.
Starting point is 00:03:21 I think the focus, has to be on wide receiver. It has to be. And we look at this wide receiver class, right? And we came into the year saying, yeah, there's a bunch of guys that might be late, first, early second. And now all of a sudden is we get closer to April's draft. We're talking about Carnell Tate from Ohio State, Jordan Tyson from Arizona State,
Starting point is 00:03:44 Denzel Boston from Washington, your guy, who I love as well, by the way. And I just watched a little bit more tape on him coming down here. It might be our guy soon. Mackay Lemon, who's my guy, who you can make an argument, maybe the best receiver in this class. So those are four right there that should go top 15, at worst, top 20. And then there's some other, like Jeremy Bernard from Alabama,
Starting point is 00:04:09 KC Concepcion, right? So there's this second tier of wide receivers. But here I think we have what is shaping up to be a much stronger third tier of receivers. Agree. I will say this, the play of the week so far came from one of the top prospects in the entire senior bowl, as far as the NFL draft is concerned. And that's Malachi Fields. I'm standing behind Talen Green, the big six-foot-six quarterback from Arkansas, and I'm watching him go through a team rep where he looks to his right first, kind of he opts out of taking the easy change, looks back to his left, and I'm like, all right, I see, I see.
Starting point is 00:04:50 See Malachi Fields streaking down the middle of the field, and I see the ball come out. Right there, balls out. And I'm thinking to myself, that's off target. That's a shame because if had he led him more to the left of the field, he could have run under it. And all of a sudden, I see Fields start to track it back towards the middle. It was, yeah. I don't care if he has two or three catches a game. I don't care if he does anything else at the senior ball.
Starting point is 00:05:19 Malachi Fields who average 17 yards per catch for Notre Dame but didn't have I think like 46 receptions this year didn't have a high receptions total he showed me something today that I don't think any other player pass catcher is capable of doing and I don't know that many others in this class
Starting point is 00:05:37 is capable of doing by tracking that football down it was a wow moment at the senior bowl today remember we talked about his hands after the wayans the eight and three quarters for that was hands that are on smaller side. I wouldn't call them small, but on the smaller side, he's a natural plucker. Unusually small for a 6-6-4 frame. But he's a natural plucker. He extends and just takes it right out of the air.
Starting point is 00:06:01 And if you're going to be that guy who gets vertical with that 6-foot-4 frame, as I'm looking up his exact, so he's 6040-flat. So 6-4, 218-inch arm length, which is good for a receiver. If you're going to have that length, you better be able to go track the football. If you're not going to, because he's not the fastest, he's not the sharpest route runner, but my goodness, man, we've seen it on tape with him, but to see it in person, a ball that I didn't think any receiver could wind up going and tracking down. That was special. And it tells you why you're going to start seeing, and you've already seen, but you'll see his name in that top 50 discussion. We talked about coming into the week, who are the top 50 guys? We mentioned Caleb Banks is one of them, even though he didn't play this past year, the defensive tackle from Florida.
Starting point is 00:06:50 Florida. Colton Hood, the cornerback from Tennessee, one of two cornerbacks, which Ramon McCoy, who's not at this game, but could be the first cornerback off the board, both from Tennessee. Who are the, oh, Lee, the defensive tackle from Texas Tech. Lee Hunter, yeah. Lee Hunter, sorry. Those are kind of the guys that are first round, like in that first round range. I think in that second tier, maybe not first round, but early second, top 50 prospects, I think,
Starting point is 00:07:19 You know, we've talked about, we've talked about Muhammad at cornerback as a possibility. Chris Johnson from San Diego State, a second round possibility. Fields might be the next up after that initial list of first rounders here. Okay. I'm good with that. Yeah. I'll say this. I love Malachi Fields.
Starting point is 00:07:37 And I'm just going to transition to another guy here. I hope that's all right. I love Malachi Fields. I watched Georgia Statewide receiver Ted Hurst take some reps after him. And now he's 11 pounds ladder. He's 207 pounds. but he's still six with three. Yep.
Starting point is 00:07:52 33 and a quarter inch arms. Yep. He's long. Yep. He is noticeably more explosive. He had the play of the day yesterday. He had that one-on-one catch down the left rail, as McShea likes to say, who's a great catch. But when I watch the way this kid moves at that size, the way he's able to accelerate off the line and out of breaks, I was blown away with the ability of this player.
Starting point is 00:08:17 Thank you, everyone. I'm checking out this chat right now. you for everyone. I mean, it just grew like three times over in five minutes. So we appreciate everyone who's jumping on. I see you, Jeremy God, and I see some of the usuals. I see Full Slate Farm, Jack Vasquez, MRJB2. Appreciate everyone being there. We're going to have a fun hour or so here covering everything, and we'll try to get to some questions or some thoughts as we go. Can I ask you a question? Shoot. How in the bleep? How in the bleep?
Starting point is 00:08:51 On the world? How in the bleep did Tyrone Montgomery and Ted Hurst from John Carroll and Georgia State respectively, in this day and age of NIL, transfer portal, how in the bleep did these guys wind up not taking money going somewhere? How are they not found? Because I'm watching them on the field with guys, I'm just with Notre Dame, LSU,
Starting point is 00:09:19 Boston College, Missouri, Cincinnati, USC, Louisville, Mississippi, Texas Tech, Baylor, SMU, Wisconsin. How are these guys popping? Legitimately, Tyron Montgomery from John Carroll, and Ted Hurst, you just mentioned, from Georgia State, have been two of the three or four best wide receivers here through two days. I was worried, well, maybe it's just the first day, you know, some other guys who kind of work. they like they they carried it over and actually were even better today and you talked about ted hurst how about tyrant montgomery not as big as those other two melancho field's at six four and ted hurst at six oh six oh three two six three and a quarter but tyron
Starting point is 00:10:06 montgomery is five eleven and three eighths of an inch okay hundred and ninety pounds head-topped Mensh's guy Chris Johnson All right I mean he did he did He did The vertical throw Down in the end zone
Starting point is 00:10:23 It wasn't like You didn't get No one got mossed today But he But ball was up He went and grabbed it Wasn't a high point But he went and grabbed it
Starting point is 00:10:32 One-on-one down the field That kind of highlighted What he's been able to do This week But it's been a whole lot more than just that play Okay I want to go
Starting point is 00:10:41 back to his story. He's from Woodlands, Texas. He wound up at John Carroll, which we had to look up and double check. Felt good about the Midwest. I thought it might be Pennsylvania. Mensch Guest Ohio when he was right. Wines up at John Carroll in Ohio from Woodland, Texas. He owns the school single season receiving records for 119 catches, 1528 receiving yards, and 15 touchdowns. also owns the school's all-time receptions yard record with 2,59 receiving yards. His helmet's throwing me off. I keep thinking he's a Florida State or Boston College kid.
Starting point is 00:11:22 I know. And you realize, oh, no, that's the kid from John Carroll. Maybe even Notre Dame. The color's off. I mean, it keeps taking me off guard. But what is not catching me off guard is how this guy runs routes, how he separates, how consistent he's been catching the football
Starting point is 00:11:37 when the ball's been up in the air. I mentioned all those other receivers, you know, starting with, you know, with Lemon and Tate and Tyson and Boston and even Malachi Fields in that second group with Jeremy Bernard and Casey Concepcion. They're not in this class, I'm saying, but after two days here, you start to wonder, are they going to creep into like this third tier where we're talking third, fourth round? Like maybe top 100. They've been that good, guys. Like, it's been pretty wild to watch. And especially Hearst with that size. As much as, like, Montgomery's probably caught more passes,
Starting point is 00:12:16 been made, I don't want to say more consistent, but like every time you look up, it feels like Montgomery's making a play. But Hurst is so smooth, so fluid, playmaker, explosive down the field, and he's 6'3. And a quarter, you know? Yeah. Those guys have jumped me.
Starting point is 00:12:33 Who else at wide receiver? Listen, I think Texas Tech's Reggie Virgil's had a good. as good as weak as anyone here. As good as anyone here. Really? He is, I mean, he's winning at the line of scrimmage. He's getting off the ball well. He's getting open underneath. He's getting vertical. I love what I would call his patience as a route runner. Some, some route runners are so quick that they're not setting up their brakes. They're not changing pace. They're not really separating because they're rushing the route. He understands how to stem, how to get to gain leverage on a defensive back. I also like the way he's been after the catch. I mean, he has been as, as,
Starting point is 00:13:07 good as any, I'm not just receivers. I think he's had as good a week as anyone here regardless of position. And Josh Cameron's another guy you've been talking about too, right? He's, here's an interesting cat. When you look at his build, 6-1-223, he's built like a big running back, but he's got big hands, 10-inch plus hands, and his arms are long, 33-inch plus arms. So even though he's a shorter guy, he's got a real wide catching radius. And man, I mean, we got refs out there trying to help these kids out with throwing flags on penalties and trying to clean up their technique and all of that. There was times today where camera was just getting held. I mean, blatantly held and he's still coming down with the ball. Those big hands are strong. When the ball's in the air, it's not a
Starting point is 00:13:51 50-50 ball. It's his ball. I also like the way he's after the catch. I think you mentioned that yesterday. For a big guy, he runs well after the catch. He can get vertical. Another guy that can plant his foot in the ground and change directions a little bit at 223 pounds. I, I was impressed. Well, he's a unique prospect. I watched his tape, I told you, on the flight down here. And it was a long flight. I got through a few players.
Starting point is 00:14:15 And from Boston to New Orleans. Ball security is an issue. I saw it before even. You know ball security is an issue when you're watching. You're like, uh-oh, this is going to become a problem. It's almost like watching a drama, right? You're watching early and you're starting to see the plot unfold. And then all of a sudden you watch it run after Kevin.
Starting point is 00:14:35 It looks good, strong, break a tackle, balls on. I knew it was coming. I knew it was coming. So that's something he's got to clean up. His routes are not there yet. It wasn't an offensive system where there was a lot of NFL-style routes, but I think that's something he can do, and it's going to be more about late separation because of his size and his physicality.
Starting point is 00:14:57 But with him, and the ball's, like, it's funny because he's really reliable as a punt returner, returner but I thought like sometimes on the pluck and run stuff he was a little like double catch fighting it a little bit really he's caught the ball really well I know he has so that that's been really encouraging to see so so there's some interesting things with him but you don't find many guys with that big physical build that can catch the ball in space but also can run have the vision and fluidity and then the strength after the catch kind of like I don't he's not D-bo I'm not saying that but it's like kind of those
Starting point is 00:15:33 vibes when Debo's like breaking tackles. He's not the shiftyest and the most powerful, but you look at him, you're like, man, this guy's so good with the ball in his hands, right? Yep, just looks different. Looks different. So I'm glad to see that he's having a good week here. And I want to go back to Virgil real quick. It's interesting at Texas Tech because two Texas Tech receivers here, Caleb Douglas is here.
Starting point is 00:15:54 He was their leading a leading receiver in terms of receiving yards. Virgil was their leading receptions guy with 57 catch. watches. Douglas had 54. He didn't have the downfield production like Douglas had, but he was like the go-to, reliable guy. And then there was also Coy Ekin. So none of those guys had massive production, but between the three of them, Ekin, Douglas and Virgil, they had over 2,200 receiving yards. So they very much were spreading the ball out to all their different weapons and a couple good tight ends there at Texas Tech. Yeah. McShea Report. It's time, folks. And I'm not going to sit here, I'm not going to beg anybody, but you're going to want to get involved.
Starting point is 00:16:37 You're going to go to Google. If you don't subscribe already, the McShay report. I'm going to go into depth on some other guys, but I do want to mention three names. You know me by now, I think. A lot of you do. Maybe some of you don't. I have this obsession. I'm sure a psychologist could get to the bottom of it.
Starting point is 00:16:56 I have an obsession, maybe because it's like the underdog. No one thinks they can do it. And then you watch the NFL and you see all these slot guys in these nickel corners wind up making, they're just the playmakers, they're difference makers, they're reliable on third downs. Like, you know, you can go through a list of them. We'll go through a whole handbook of white guys for the Patriots that fit the bill. But I'm talking about just slot receivers who can find a way to get open,
Starting point is 00:17:23 create first downs, move the chains, just reliable for quarterbacks. And every year I find a nickel or a slot receiver, right? It feels like every year. You're in a roll with nickels. I hate to admit it. You want to roll. Well, it started like Jalen Petrie and it went to, I mean, all the, Sanstrill, the Lions. I got to fight with, I got in a fight with, Branch, I got to fight with Nick Saban about Branch, his readiness for the NFL.
Starting point is 00:17:49 Yeah. That's a true story. I'll actually tell the more detailed version sometime when we're not kind of here on the clock doing a live show from his. Upton Stout last year. A little bit of a roll. A little bit of a roll. The slot receivers here, man, and I told you about one of them yesterday, Kevin Coleman, 5-1075. four pounds from Missouri.
Starting point is 00:18:07 I got a better look at him today. I'm with you. He catches the ball well. He's quick. He's a player. Yeah, I like him. He uncovers. Yep. I got another one for you,
Starting point is 00:18:16 which this is a pretty well-known name for a disappointing group at LSU this year. Barry and Brown today, and yes, it helps that Nuss Myers throwing to him. But you can tell, and this isn't a knock on Aaron Anderson, but you can tell who Nuss's dog is. and that's Barry and Brown. Barry and Brown was uncovering like that today. And you saw a little bit more juice in the way he was rolling. I want to pull.
Starting point is 00:18:46 I want to see the overall speed stuff. I'll talk while I'm doing it. But he had some big time catches today. And like NFL style stuff. Like top of his route, top of his stem, in and out of break, creating separation. I think it was Muhammad. He almost broke his ankle. on one of them.
Starting point is 00:19:06 Yeah. And I was just, I was impressed with him throughout the day. But I also, I can't get my photos up. There we go. But you could tell the reliability that he had one route down the left side. It was a comeback. And it was, the route was perfect. The coverage was perfect.
Starting point is 00:19:28 The ball was perfect. And he was right there, plucked it in contested situation. I don't know. He kept standing out today throughout practice. I'm trying to pull up these. Is he fast? There we go. I want to see the overall speed.
Starting point is 00:19:42 That's the D-line. This is really good television, I promise you. Running back, linebacker tight end, D-line. I don't know. I thought I had the overall. Was he fast? I think Bering Brown was one of the faster ones on the zebra, the miles per hour. Now it's driving me crazy.
Starting point is 00:20:01 I know it's in here. Anyone who knows me, knows that like I can't. I'm like a dog with a bone sometimes. Here we go. Overall speed. Here we go. We got it. Barying. I was getting nervous that he wasn't even on this list. Beryn Brown. This is day one. Not today, but they post on the, I don't know if you can see this. Probably not. But they post on the Michael's jumpotron.
Starting point is 00:20:28 On the Jumbotron at Hancock Whitney Stadium in South Alabama, USA. Post all the by units and then the overall from the day before. It's the zebra technology, the miles per hour that everyone has on them. And Barian Brown was the fastest player at any position on the first day of practice. I think we got that now. I'm going to pull it away, Michael, at 20.35 miles per hour. Ted Hurst from Georgia State, you talked about his explosiveness. I'm telling you, man.
Starting point is 00:21:02 He's got juice. I actually took this picture and had to walk away because it was. was in the middle of practice. Ted Hurst was number two on that list. Did you crack 20? 20.33. Nice. You know who was fourth on the list? There was a DB, Julian Neal, a guy who you like out of Arkansas, was third on the list of 20.22. You know who's fourth on the list? Another guy we just mentioned, Kevin Coleman, Missouri wide receiver at 20.06, all over 20 miles per hour with their pads on, in practice. Game you always wind up running a little bit faster, obviously, but those are some pretty good speeds from
Starting point is 00:21:39 those, from three of the receivers that we're featuring today. The last one I want to talk about is Devin Vossin, a late addition to the hometown kid from South Alabama. I don't know much about him. I haven't done his tape. I watched them today and you know why I started watching him. I just stand so close. I'm like right there in the huddles. I know. Go ahead. It's getting a little uncomfortable. Why? You are like, you're in the huddle. I was talking to the running backs coach about how we're teaching. You absolutely were.
Starting point is 00:22:13 Yeah. About pass protection technique. Hands in, latch in the breastplate. I get a little out of control. I do. I thought you were going to call it play, like maybe put the ball down, move it to the hash. I know. But I can't thank Drew Fabiannich and Molly and everyone with the senior bowl.
Starting point is 00:22:29 The access that they have allowed us has been amazing. And so, anyway, so I'm standing there by the huddle. and it's every time they break the huddle, the wide receiver, if you watch any of the Senior Bowl coverage, the offensive line group will stand here, the tight ends will stand here with their position coach, the running backs, the wide receivers. So the wide receivers are breaking the huddle
Starting point is 00:22:52 or getting ready to go in the next play. Every time they're getting ready to do a rep, Vossin from South Alabama is telling the guys from, like, L.S., and all like he's telling guys from Notre Dame LSU, Boston College, Missouri, Cincinnati, USC what the STEM is, where the leverage point is. We're going to run the sale route. You're going to want to get to 12 before we start to leverage.
Starting point is 00:23:22 Like him. And I'm like, I haven't watched this tape. I don't know him yet. So now I want to see. And I'm watching him run routes and the precision being reliable, like understanding how to set up brakes, the little things,
Starting point is 00:23:39 like attention to detail with this cat. And then I'm watching him catch the ball, like really, really looking it in, strong hands. I don't know. And then I go look up on the ride back. We literally just driving back. Marissa's driving us, Dan and Steve are in the back. Thank goodness.
Starting point is 00:24:01 Safe but aggressive. That's how I drive. Safe but aggressive. No, but seriously, so I'm looking up, I want to know the backstory in this guy. Apparently, he was born in Oklahoma, family moved to Germany for a period of time, came back to Florida. Why, you could tell, and I've got to do more history on him, and I certainly, I'm like, it's going to be one of the first tapes that I watch when we're flying out of here going back up to Boston. I want to watch Devin Boston. He's 510, 182 pounds, had 67 catches last year for 776 and 4.
Starting point is 00:24:31 It's not eye-opening production. Right. And yes, it's the local, and it seems like maybe they had to pull him in to fill in a spot for somebody. But he wasn't even like superior, like wildly superior to somebody, like the other receivers. So there's something about this cat that made them think he's not going to let us down if we bring him in this game. Yeah. I don't know. Those guys are intriguing to me.
Starting point is 00:25:00 Barry and Brown, Devin Vossin, Kevin Coleman, but Vossin is just a diamond in the rough. Keep an eye out in that name. I'm going to be interested to see because there's a place for him in the NFL when you can be that reliable for receivers, for quarterbacks. There'll be some more names in the newsletter. Vinnie Anthony from Wisconsin had a nice day too. Yeah, there are more names that will be in the newsletter. And I also am going to do some deeper dives into all this stuff.
Starting point is 00:25:25 But there's like a hundred names on these sheets of paper that Dan. I'm going to bring Dan out to. I'm going to let Dan come out to dinner tonight rather than the poor guy being stuck. Sitting here in the convention center, Tucker's going to be all alone. Tucker looks good in his car, Hart hat. Yeah, so there's a lot more in the McShay report, so please check it out. All right, moving on. This is actually Dan's thought, and I like this.
Starting point is 00:25:55 Yesterday was about the standouts and kind of the first impression. Yep. Today it's appropriate, and I want to go back to yesterday. This is a follow-up, and we're going to call this second. impressions. The first impression from the Senior Bowl, the very first impression from the Senior Bowl was the Edge class and the defensive line class, too. If you include Lee Hunter and Caleb Banks, the interior defensive lineman, the dominant group. It was the story yesterday. T.J. Parker from Clemson, oh man, potential top 15 pick, mentioned McShay, both loved him in
Starting point is 00:26:32 the preseason. Dudd during the season by his standards. then he comes out and has a monster first day. Then you've got Derek Moore from Michigan. Michigan didn't quite have the year. He didn't quite put up the, you know, he wasn't as dominant as some of those other edge guys have been for Michigan over the years. Derek Moore was dominant yesterday
Starting point is 00:26:55 and had, Derek Moore had the viral moment walking back Markell Bell, the offensive tackle. Walking back is a nice way of saying. I mean, running through his face. Yeah, plowing Markle Bell. The third guy, Zion Young, big physical dude, plays like a maniac. Everyone remembers that overtime, the coin flip,
Starting point is 00:27:16 losing his mind. It's when I fell in love with him. If you haven't seen it, you've got to go back to Google it. Zion Young coin flip. Out of his damn mind. Exactly how you want your defensive lineman to be. So they were the story yesterday, and then Caleb Banks,
Starting point is 00:27:33 who arguably is the most physically talented, most physically gifted player in the entire Senior Bowl this year was a little underwhelming. So if that was our first impression yesterday, I'm going to throw to you, what's your second impression of what the story was a day ago? Let's start with Derek Moore. Okay. Didn't think he was as dominant in one-on-ones as I wanted him to be today, but one
Starting point is 00:27:59 of the things I really liked during team that I think he's very good at this, is he does a good job of setting the edge and then use. using his hands to get off the block against play action. A lot of edges who are great pass rushers like to play the run. I mean, like to play the run on the way to the quarterback. You know what I mean? So they're flying upfield and then they were looking to catch the running back. Derek Moore is a true set-the-edge physical type player,
Starting point is 00:28:24 and then he can work off that to fall back inside and still get pressure to the quarterback. I thought that was something that he showed today. So maybe not as flashy. You didn't get that viral moment. That was, today was Zion Young's day for the viral moment, but he did have some good moments. When I watch him, I do, like Derek Moore, at 6.3 and a half, 254, he's got those long arms, man. And he uses them well.
Starting point is 00:28:50 That's what I'm saying. 34 and a quarter inch arms. He can play a stout man's game. And then he, he's not, I don't think he has like the fastest first step or like the most explosive outside in move. He's not the bendy's guy. That's not his game. It's just not his game. But he's he shows the ability to get
Starting point is 00:29:11 offensive linemen off balance as we seen and we saw that Markle Bell clip, but it wasn't just that. And I get people, you know, people are online. Everyone's got to be negative in this world, right? He had a great play. That doesn't mean he's a great player. Doesn't mean Bell's a terrible player.
Starting point is 00:29:27 It was an awesome play to watch and kind of indicated the type of day he had, so everyone utilized that clip to to showcase it. And everyone's, well, if you just, if Bill had slipped with his step and above it, it's like, stop it. It was just a fun play, celebrate it, and move on. There are 15 other plays that were really, really good and probably showed us more about
Starting point is 00:29:48 who he is as the player. And what I've seen from him is he'll set a hard edge. I like the fact the sucker takes on, like opposite shoulder when their lead blocker comes. Yeah, they try to kick him out. Oh, gosh. Zion Young did the same thing a couple times today, too. I missed the sound effects. I haven't gotten a sound effect in a while.
Starting point is 00:30:08 Yeah. There it is. Yeah, I'm back. I'm like the quarterbacks in day one. I'm figuring out where the convention center is. I want to know what's the verbiage and the play calling. Now I'm seeing the field of letting it rip today. So, yeah, it's been every week after Wednesday,
Starting point is 00:30:27 it's easy to write down a top five. Maybe it's top three, maybe it's top five, maybe it's top nine, whatever the number is, it's easy to be like, these are the guys. And I promise you, Derek Moore is one of the guys. And I'm talking with, and I'm not saying he's going to be a first rounder, he's probably not going to be.
Starting point is 00:30:44 But in terms of the guys who are the best football players here who have stood out, you know, we know about Colton Hood, we know about Lee Hunter, we know about Caleb Banks, and we'll get the banks in a minute. But more, yeah, but more has, I'll say this. Parker had the better day on Tuesday yesterday.
Starting point is 00:31:09 More, and Zion Young had the best day of the three today. More has been the most consistent of them. That's from what I've seen. I think that's good. Yeah. Well, you just mentioned Parker. What do you think today? Say it.
Starting point is 00:31:29 No, because it's serious. It is. I want to frame it. I thought you phrased it well earlier. So part of the beauty of being here, as I mentioned with like the wide receivers in Boston from South Alabama, how he was coaching those guys up, you're standing there and you're watching the reps happen
Starting point is 00:31:47 and literally like sometimes like, you know, getting running into each other and stuff. So like I'm hearing everything and I'm, it's not even a negative, and I don't know this definitively, but I'm watching and I can kind of see, because I'm looking for the why, right? T.J. Parker physically is a first round, talent. The power is undeniable. There are flashes on tape. He had a year in 2024 where all that
Starting point is 00:32:16 took was, you know, refinement. Maybe let's get a, and I remember saying refinement with his hand usage kind of array and figuring out how to get home. And I would be, I'd be drilling the hell out of like agility stuff and yeah. Add a little bit more to his, to his, you know. And it's all there for him. physically and there are moments that he does it and he's like people swear by him like wants to be all this stuff when i watch zion he's unhinged and i mean that in a great way we played with a mark megna who you mentioned yesterday one speed guys and it's all out and it's this motor that like it's insulting to even say he has a good motor because it's different and it's this eagerness and this fire that burns, like, give me that rep.
Starting point is 00:33:07 The coach is going to have to rip me by the face mask or the shoulder pads away from getting that next rep. And I just don't know if he has it or doesn't have it. And they're like, there's like the defensive line group, man, like they're the bouncers at the club. They control this thing. They control the law. The offensive linemen are the smart guys.
Starting point is 00:33:29 They're like, they're the reasonable ones. They keep everyone in line on offense. They're the stability and the anchor of a. football team. The defensive linemen are the ones that come, that you're going to lead you down the alley, and they're going to set a tone, and no one's getting past them because they're the baddest you know what's on the block. And that's not just a physical thing. That's a mentality. That's like, you know, and I'm not saying he doesn't. I truly don't know. I just, I wanted to see a little bit more. This is my rep. But you talked about yesterday, like rep snatchers.
Starting point is 00:34:05 Like Banks has got the most foul, nasty mouth you've ever heard on a young man in your life. Like, you kiss your mom with that mouth, you know, you're like... He got fired up today. But I'll tell you what. Everyone knows who the alpha is in that gator locker room, I bet you. That's my only takeaway. I thought he was good at moments today. I thought he did everything he was asked of him.
Starting point is 00:34:29 I thought he had a good day. I thought he clearly flashed more on Tuesday. But I want to see... I'm curious to see and I'm curious to talk to something. scouts about the interviews and all that stuff. Again, I'm not, and you put me up to this. I'm just, I'm observing and I'm wondering, like, maybe that, maybe it's like unlocking him a little bit, getting with the right coach, getting with the right, and we see this all the
Starting point is 00:34:52 time, man. I think it's okay to say this. Yeah, no, I know. You get in the right locker room with the right dogs. Yeah. You want vicious attack animals in that defensive line group, and I think maybe just being around that. And you wonder why, like, why did they underachieve?
Starting point is 00:35:10 Why is Peter Woods so talented and he didn't have this amount of sacks and he wasn't this dominant? Why is it that, and maybe it's like, it's not the culture or the DNA of them yet, but as they grow up and become with the confidence and get around the guy, like, I don't know. The tools are all there, man. Yeah, so it's going to be interesting to see with him because, my gosh, is he talented. Who was the other one we had to? Zion Young. Zion Young.
Starting point is 00:35:35 We kind of saved the best for less for today. Go ahead. He had the viral moment. He went right through J.C. Davis, I believe, the Illinois offensive tackle. I tweeted about this morning about how excited I was to see J.C. Davis. I think it's- There I'm going to let you watch it. A couple good days. You can self-describe.
Starting point is 00:35:53 There you go. It's a similar rep to the Derek Moore versus Markell Bell. He just, when you shoot those hands inside, extend, you have good forward lean. If that offensive tackle doesn't play with the wide base and sit, he's in trouble. You know what I loved about that? Davis is too high. Davis is too high. But he came in with good leverage,
Starting point is 00:36:13 and as he made contact, he actually, you'd call it like flat backing, forward lean, he actually reestablished even more leverage. Yeah. You know?
Starting point is 00:36:25 And just plowed him. But this is another guy. I mean, I think if you're, if you're lining up against Derek Moore or Zion Younger right now, you're not psyched about it because they're both being,
Starting point is 00:36:37 really physical in the run. I mean, Zion Young has been a tone setter and edge setter. I've really watched, I'm just going to plug him really quickly. I've enjoyed watching Will Kismarik, the tight end for Ohio State, because those, him against those two edges has been fun to watch this week. You hear it. I mean, when there's a rep when he's, when Kizmeric is going against one of those two guys, you can hear it up in the stands. The pads are thudding. It is loud. It is aggressive. They were barking at each other today. It's what you want to see. It's competition at the highest level.
Starting point is 00:37:12 Both of those guys are playing really well. Today was Young's Day to go viral with that great pass rush rep. But he's been playing well all along, so good for him. Let's walk through the Edge Class for a minute, because this is important. You've got David Bailey from Texas Tech. Yes. You've got Ruben Bain from Miami. You've got Akeem Messador from Miami.
Starting point is 00:37:34 You've got a lot of different opinions on Cassius Howell, who was supposed to be here, had a hand injury, and is not here. Where do we get on the second? Keldrick Falk. I'm just writing this down off the top of our head, okay? Bailey, Bain, Messador, Falk, Howell would be kind of the order I would have. And then now we're talking about three guys here that have clearly shown they are, Above, right? More.
Starting point is 00:38:11 More. Zion Young and T.J. Parker. And T.J. Parker. I'm sorry. Yes. That's right. That right there, seven. Yeah. Who, honest to God, like, argue against all seven of them in the certainly first two rounds. Correct, yeah. Maybe top 50.
Starting point is 00:38:33 Everyone wants, listen. Everyone wants. Everyone wants an edge. can't have enough edges. You can't have enough offensive tackles. This is a position that teams value. They're going to go. I think Howell could go after some of the guys here. R. Mason, who's the most underrated player in this draft. Really good. Our Mason Thomas. Got to be in the right fit, but really good. And then you're talking Parker, I'm just writing them down. Parker, Moore. Young. And young.
Starting point is 00:39:04 This edge class is really good, man. That's the, That's the whole point of this. And we talked about last year how good that edge group was. Is it deep? We don't have to have this discussion. But watching those three guys here today and knowing that Howell couldn't play, knowing that Arles Mason Thomas couldn't play because he was still coming up, not 100 percent, getting right for the combine, coming off that injury that he suffered against
Starting point is 00:39:26 Tennessee, tried to play a little bit late in the season, got it out. Wasn't the same cat. Knowing that Bain and Messador just came off the national championship game on Monday a week ago. Bailey's a top 10 pick might be top five, top six. He opted out. Cassius Hall, I told you the hand. Keldrick Falk, I think opted out, but I'm not 100% sure. So that's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine guys.
Starting point is 00:39:52 That honestly, I think a lot of teams are going to have at least first and second round grades on and could have maybe seven, six, depending on, depending on what they're looking for and what scheme fit and all that. But I'm guessing most of those teams will have at least six, maybe like seven or eight of those guys in the top 50 players because of the position fit. I mean, the position value. And the talent. Even if you don't like the production of a Keldrick Falk, like it's the talent throwing the tape. We've seen this before where guys don't put up big sack numbers that still go early because you know they have the ability to get to the quarterback. All right.
Starting point is 00:40:27 And it is a fit thing. Like David Bailey fits better in certain schemes than a Ruben Bain fits. It's a fit thing. Teams are going to value guys differently based on what it's going to be good in their program. Caleb Banks underwhelmed you yesterday. What did you see today, and I'll give you my thoughts, and we'll move on. We've got a few more segments here. I saw progress.
Starting point is 00:40:44 I saw a guy that got pissed off, and I think that helps him. Him and Fernando Carmona from Arkansas, the offensive guard, got into it a little bit during one-on-one. I mean, I don't have the best coach. People in my family remind me sometimes. Me neither, man. And I grew up in Massachusetts and, like, we just, we don't major in, like, acceptable language. I was uncomfortable today with it. You got to the point where the coach had to step in and say, hey, man, it's gone a little, it's gone a little too far now.
Starting point is 00:41:21 And they did, like, you know, dab it up. And then they did. But the funniest thing was the very next rep. Very next. Caleb comes again and is barking. Christmas tree, man. He just got them up. Christmas tree.
Starting point is 00:41:33 Christmas tree. Turn those lights on. But that being said, was the only thing I can repeat, honestly. Whatever it takes, man. I mean, I think it was John Henderson. He used to play for the Jacksonville, Jaguars, and the trainer would come and slap him in the face,
Starting point is 00:41:46 get him fired up for the game. And I don't mean, like, hey, give him a little slap. I mean, he would unwind on John Henderson. These cats are different. So I think maybe that's what it needed to be, because the first rep I saw some extension with his arm, a little bit of an arm over, a little bit more using the hands. The second rep, now he's pissed.
Starting point is 00:42:04 And here comes the, like, I'm just bigger and stronger than you. Brew force. And I was looking for this yesterday. Like, you are bigger, stronger, longer. You are better then. It's just the reality. You're physically better than this other player. Use it.
Starting point is 00:42:18 And I felt like today we finally started to see it. Do I think he still has room to get better? Absolutely. He's another guy being around him and like the language and kind of the antics aside. He's, I really hope he winds up. Remember Walter Nolan, we said he landed in a great place in Arizona. And I know he's injured for a while, but when he was healthy and ready to play, he was a difference maker for Arizona.
Starting point is 00:42:44 And because you had Grandpa, the old man, Clayus Campbell, and you had some veteran leadership there. That guy's such a dude. I wouldn't never call all that. No, he'd kill me without even blinking yet. Like that. Hall of fame, or my love. And a great man, too.
Starting point is 00:43:03 Um, but I hope he winds up. I think he needs a little bit of that. Yeah. A veteran leadership around him to kind of channel all this energy and all this talent, uh, the right way. Yeah. But, uh, but my gosh, he's, he's, he's special in terms of his, his gift. Absolutely. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:20 All right. Now we got a few more segments. We're going to get, not rapid fire, but let's, let's, let's, let's go. We'll pace it. We get two minute drill here. Yeah. Or 20 minute drill, whatever it is. Um, standouts today. Jacob Rodriguez, the lineback from Texas Tech, no matter what. You find a way to get this guy in your team. Listen, he had seven force fumbles led the country this year. Four interceptions. All he does is take the ball away, and what does he do today?
Starting point is 00:43:46 Force fumble interception. I will say this. And the interception, do you notice this? He went to the ground, got up and kind of spiked the ball. Where are the pros now, man? Which surprised me because this is a high-level football intelligence player. But he's the first week they've played with these. I get it.
Starting point is 00:44:02 I get it. But still, I have such high expectations of him mentally that I didn't see it. That'll be the last time he ever does that. 100%. But what he did at Texas Tech, he shows up at the Senior Bowl, he's doing the same thing. He's flying around. He's making quick reads. Well, that peanut punch is a thing.
Starting point is 00:44:20 Like, it's got to be the Jake punch or like. But it's an instinct. You can, you can teach it. Everyone's doing it. I went and watched. I went on the. the PFF Ultimate and linked it to our catapult and I watched every single one that he had punched out in his career this year because I was like, why is this guy able to do it? And I'm telling,
Starting point is 00:44:38 it is, it first of all like, it's a skill, it's a talent. Yes, his punch is violent, but it's also like, it's so fast you don't know what's coming. It's timed well. It's timed well. And he knows the perfect. So there's that part of it. And then it's like, if you watch the interception, you're like, yeah, who cares? Like my uncle, drunk at Thanksgiving. could have made this interception. He's always in the right place, though. But there's some guys that just are. He's a ball magnet.
Starting point is 00:45:05 They just are. They read it, they feel it, they get in the right spot, and if there's trash to pick up, he's there for it, you know? Yeah. A pick is a pick, man. Oh, no, that's what I'm saying, because you watch them.
Starting point is 00:45:18 Four interceptions as a linebacker. It's ridiculous. He's a ridiculous number. Eleven takeaways as a linebacker is absurd. He's had a huge. And then you look at team captain, one guy that Texas tackle was like, you know, Texas Tech brings in all this talent,
Starting point is 00:45:33 but Rodriguez was already there. And he was the big 12 defensive player of the year two years ago. He might have been again this year. I think he was. I think he was back to back. Unbelievable character, unbelievable production, and I think his skill set is probably
Starting point is 00:45:48 better than a lot of people thought at one point. Is there, what's it called in the legal system after a certain amount of time? Is there a statute of limitations? See, Tucker's not just a pretty face with that nice hat on over there at L.A. look. He's our brains, too.
Starting point is 00:46:09 Is there a statute of limitations on the Heisman voting? Because I may or may not have made one of my Heisman votes. That's how, like, I just think he's special in that way. And like the impact player and to be a leader on that defense, as you talked about, we're talking about Hunter in the first round. We're talking about Bailey in the first round. We're talking about Romello Height in the first few rounds. You know what I mean like all these dudes that they have
Starting point is 00:46:29 But this linebacker I love how you get carried away Would you have taken Rodriguez over Mendoza as your Heisman vote? No he wasn't no no no no no he wasn't my I you have three votes as a Heisman The first place second place third place All right I just want to ask He was not my first or second place so that Okay
Starting point is 00:46:46 But I'm not specifically saying where I voted for him But I'm just I'm quickly looking up at his What is his official measurement? I just want to get that. 6011. So 6.1.21. 233. Smaller, shorter arms, average hands. Don't care.
Starting point is 00:47:07 Yeah, exactly. When we do our list of the top 50 players, he's going to be on it. He's got to be on it, right? Okay. All right. One of my standard. We'll go back and forth. Excuse me. Bud Clark.
Starting point is 00:47:20 Bud freaking Clark, man. This T.C. I was watching yesterday in practice on Tuesday. And you can automatically tell, and I always wonder, how is it that there's a rapport between a coach and a player in a unit, right? And you can already tell that the defensive backs coach, and I wish I knew his name, I'll find it out before the end of the week, and I'll share it. The defensive backs coach is on the, I guess, the national team, right? He, yeah, on the national team. And there was an earlier session.
Starting point is 00:47:52 even yesterday he's kind of pushing him harder he's jabbing him a little bit more he's coaching him a little bit more he expects things out of him that may I'm not saying he doesn't out of everybody else but he like knows sometimes as a coach
Starting point is 00:48:04 you know he's reachable there's things like he's coachable and I saw that yesterday and I saw him make some big plays and I saw him having a good day and then today it's almost you get that night's sleep you kind of reset you process it a little bit and today he came out and after
Starting point is 00:48:20 a really good day like really standout of one of the best defensive backs and defensive players on that national team yesterday in the first day of practice. He was soaring today. He had this interception where he went up and challenged Jolly, the titan from North Carolina State. Good player. And one hand pulls it away. I got a video of one. There's one throw over the middle, a crosser, and he comes in and pass breakup. And the coach comes screaming out of nowhere. Let's go. He sees something in him. Yeah. I'm watching them in the, start out the day in the individuals, you know,
Starting point is 00:48:55 just getting warmed up, doing all these different footwork drills, ball. He's got really good hands. And now I'm seeing the instincts. I'm seeing playmaking and team. Bud Clark, here's, you ready for this one? So I did a little research. It's only like a 26 minute drive, but I got some stuff done. You ready for this on Bud Clark?
Starting point is 00:49:15 Power force safeties to have this combination in the last several years. Bud Clark greater than 1.5 interception rate greater than 1.75 past breakup rate less than 15%
Starting point is 00:49:33 mistackle rate. Kyle Hamilton, Xavier Watts and Hufanga. Tala Noah Hufanga. Yeah? Three damn good football players
Starting point is 00:49:49 all drafted in very different ranges. expectations were very, very different for those three guys, but three of the best in the league. I mean, Watt's just a rookie, but he had a sensational season, okay? By rookie standards, all signs. He's on that list at TCU. Pretty cool, right? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:12 I mean, those are impact players, reliable as tacklers, but impact players when the ball's in the air. And, yeah, kids who have flown under the Raider because maybe their programs have not been great this year and then come here and shine is always awesome give me another stand-up i'm going to go arizona state offensive tackle maxi and otchua and i thought yesterday i was a little concerned about the the sets and some of the technique he was just oversetting it's a common thing with offensive tackles especially uh ones that are maybe concerned about getting beat around the edge and he was trying to take away speed and getting beat to the inside a little bit yesterday today i thought he had one of his best reps against eric more of the edge from michigan who we've talked about and
Starting point is 00:50:51 has been good to the point where they got into a little bit of a pushing match at the end. Maybe a punch was thrown. And just smooth. I mean, he's 325 pounds. He's 6'5. He's got 34.5 inch arms. He's long. He moves different for a guy that size.
Starting point is 00:51:08 Like I said, clean up the technique today. And once he does that, you get to see how good of a player he can be. I actually was watching some of the defensive line. And one guy kept stoning all of them. I like them, man. Yeah, we said yesterday, I mean, we're talking about it. You could see it. You could see the ability.
Starting point is 00:51:30 It was just a matter of, you know, it's tough. You come down here and you're all amped up. And sometimes things that are simple get away from you because you're just trying to do too much. And it seemed like, again, you talk about it. You go home that night. You watch the film. You're like, man, what am I doing? That's not me.
Starting point is 00:51:46 And he cleaned up the footwork. He wasn't getting, like, you know, he's setting to his right landmarks. and all of a sudden he's starting to lock guys out. He and Demetrius crown over from Texas A&M, I thought the two best offensive tackle days from the tackles I watched all of them. So I thought those were the two guys who were the most consistent and showed the most kind of promise. I still really like Davis from Illinois, but he did have that bad rep.
Starting point is 00:52:10 All right, my last standout guy, Grayson Halton from Oklahoma. And if you subscribe to the McShay report, I did prior to the college football, playoff. I did the guys, the prospect that's kind of under the radar to watch for during the college football playoff for each of the 12 teams. And, or for 10
Starting point is 00:52:30 of the 12 teams, because I did, I conveniently just ignored the fact that JMU and Tulane were in it. Halton was interesting because I, so I started watching the tape and I almost did, was it, Heineke or
Starting point is 00:52:48 Heineken Oh, the linebacker. The linebacker. I almost did one of their safeties. And then I kept, as I was watching, I'm like, man, this guy keeps showing up. Right. And then I text Nagy about him. Then Nagy's like, yeah, man, he's like, if you're going to, he's like, you can highlight any of, like, really like all of those guys.
Starting point is 00:53:07 Really good, you know, could tell backstores on, but like, but I see what you see in him. Grayson Halton has added, we talked yesterday about how scouts and coaches and everyone down here, they're not frustrated, but it's like we're just. to players aren't staying in the same program, nutrition, strength and conditioning, just technique, scheme, like they're bouncing around from place to place at the NIL and transfer portal, and guys just aren't as ready in some ways to come in the league. So there's more of an emphasis on coaching early on. Halton's one of those guys that stayed put at Oklahoma, four years, put on 20 pounds, made huge strides as a player, his technique has gotten to like an all-time high level. It all started to come on. Wasn't even like really, really
Starting point is 00:53:50 a full-time starter or was supposed to be, and just kept getting better and better and took over a job this year and became a huge difference maker for arguably the best defense in the country this past year. You know, Oklahoma, Texas Tag, Ohio State for a large portion of the year, right? Yep. He's a one technique, right? You can play him at nose, get him up the field, whether it's between the guard and the center or at nose offset.
Starting point is 00:54:17 Let him use that quick first step. He has like this quick power, like quickness power combination initially that kind of throws you off, gets up the field. Yeah, like if you get into his pads, you're going to have some success, maybe moving him off the spot. I'm just trying to look up his, what he weighed in at. 293 pounds. Yeah, he's a, he's a, some guys like that are three techniques. What's his height? His height was 6.024.
Starting point is 00:54:43 So you can play him at three, but I think he's more of a one. Anyway, at the end of the day, he's disruptive. I love that height. I love that hype for a guy like that. He's got a low center of gravity, explosive first step. That stuff translates. Range versus the run.
Starting point is 00:54:55 And today watching him, remember I talked about some guys? Like, I want to see that, like, the dog in him. And I want to see, like, they run the room. Halton runs the room, man. He ran that. Like, it was him. He and Banks have very different leadership styles, if you will. But his is just energy.
Starting point is 00:55:12 Like, nonstop, getting guys going. At one point, he won't wrap. I think I sent it to our guys. I'll try to put it in the newsletter. He won this rep in one-on-ones where there was actually two guys. He split it. It worked off the, I think it was the guard, and got up the field. Won the rep, clearly.
Starting point is 00:55:31 He gets back there and starts ranting and then turns his head and looks back. And he goes, I see you, San Diego. Charger scouts. And they have a defensive tackle need. Yeah. Like, I just eat that stuff up. Just thinking next step. All right.
Starting point is 00:55:49 Verdicts still out. That was a segment we debuted yesterday. Verdicts still out. We went through a couple guys who we just didn't feel like we saw enough. We don't know where we are yet on them. I'm going to throw to you. Who's your verdict still out guy after two days at the senior bowl, which is not a place you necessarily want to be,
Starting point is 00:56:03 but the week's not over. I'm going back to the well, and I know maybe people are tired of hearing it, but Chris Johnson, the corner from San Diego State. Listen, I thought him in Tyron Montgomery had some real good battles, the receiver from John Carroll. I thought they had some pretty good battles today.
Starting point is 00:56:15 I thought Johnson was good underneath, it smothering underneath routes. I mean, he almost had a pick. He had a pass break up against Montgomery. There were some good stuff in there. And then you see him, I think it was the last rep of that drill, where Montgomery was able to get behind him. And it wasn't even that Johnson wasn't in good position. He was.
Starting point is 00:56:36 It just seemed like he'd missed time to jump and didn't quite play the ball, which is concerning to me because that's what I loved about on tape. Again, four interceptions last year, two return for touchdowns. I think that's one of the strengths when you watch the tape is his ability to locate and play the ball. So I wanted to see that translate to the senior bowl. When he's going against better competition, it just hasn't happened. I talked to a couple people who are maybe concerned about the deep speed.
Starting point is 00:57:01 We're going to have to see how we runs in Indianapolis. Again, it's a player that I really believe in based on the tape, but I want to see more. I want him to see him come out and have a really strong Thursday tomorrow. Yeah, as we were looking at the defensive backs yesterday, Chris Johnson was up there in terms of the speed. He was in the analytics. I think he was the highest defensive back, at least from the American practice.
Starting point is 00:57:24 Yeah, from the first practice. It was a first practice yesterday, but he was not on the overall. So we'll get an update on that play speed, right? And again, it's just practice. It's not necessarily the fastest. And some guys aren't getting the same kind of reps. There's things going on. 100%.
Starting point is 00:57:38 But it can be a good indicator of the guys that are fast, right? Yeah. My guy is Nicholas Singleton. Nicholas Singleton was over a thousand-yard rusher for Penn State a year ago, 2024, highly productive coming into this year. Ketron Allen went for over a thousand. Kedron Allen held his end of the bargain up and arguably the best running back tandem talent-wise in the country.
Starting point is 00:58:03 But Julian Love and Judarian Price kind of put a kibosh on that. There was a debate coming into the year which one would be. The Indiana backs think they may be involved in that conversation, but go ahead. Oh, I like Caitlin Black today, man. He had a great day. And he can pass block. Tough, smart. Yep.
Starting point is 00:58:20 But I'm watching Nicholas Singleton, and I know he catches the ball well, which he's done here this week. I know he's explosive because we've seen those long runs. I know he's not, like, the great power back. But a reasonable comp for Nicholas Singleton coming into the year would have been Trayvion Henderson, right? From a physical ability, from a skill set, a trace. Catch the ball, explosive, doesn't need, in fact, don't want to get him 18, 20, would like to get him 12, 13, 14 touches in the game, maybe 10, 12 carries, maybe 3, 4 receptions, right? That's what Trayvion's sweet spot was when he had Judkins in, at Ohio State that
Starting point is 00:59:05 final year. There's his best season. Don't want him carrying 22, 25 times. And then Now this year, Ramandre Stevenson takes those big care. I went to the bills, it was like, oh, maybe they're not going to play Trayvon today. No, like, Ramandre's going to come out and start pounding you guys and wearing you guys down. And then we're going to let Trayvion go, and he went for like 78 yards or whatever it wasn't in that bill's loss. Here's the deal. He hasn't done anything negative. He hasn't fumbled.
Starting point is 00:59:31 He hasn't, like, catching the ball. He hasn't been horrible in anything that he's done. But I keep asking myself, if Trayvion were here last year, What would that look like? And I know the answer. He's just so damn different that it would have been three or four highlight runs, like, go. You know? And I just, I haven't seen that from Singleton.
Starting point is 00:59:55 So Verdict's still out on Singleton as a player. I was really looking forward to seeing him, like, after a disappointing season, come out here and be like, I'm still that guy. Yeah? Yeah. So we'll go from there. Finally, Nudge guys. Last segment. This is the Mench Creation, and I love it.
Starting point is 01:00:12 But it's really what do you do with scouts, and you're sitting there in a group, whether it's coaches the first time getting a look at him, sitting in the stands, down on the field, see something, see a guy walk out of the locker room, and you're like, what's that? Or like, see a small school guy that you don't know, or see a guy that you've known and played at a big program,
Starting point is 01:00:32 but he does something different or does something there or makes you think, huh, you know? Yeah. Who's your nudge guy today? Well, for me, coming in the week, we talked about Pittsburgh's Kyle Lowe, Lewis and about position fit, right? Yep. And then he weighs in. He's 5-11-6, 224 pounds, and I'm thinking, man, I hope they play him in some safety. Yep. I don't want to see him in safety. Well, he's been
Starting point is 01:00:53 playing linebacker, and he's been playing linebacker at an extremely high level. And one of the ways he gets away with playing at that size is he's so quick and he reacts so quickly and he closes so well. And you saw it today during a team period. He knifes into the backfield. He blows up plays in the backfield. You look at him and then you start to see how he is in cover drills. Yesterday, he had a great rep. We're in one-on-one and had an interception. He moves really well for a linebacker. He has good instincts. He closes. He's rangy. And maybe, listen, that's small. It's small for a linebacker. And maybe he does play that nickel role, that big, the big nickel, or he plays some safety or teams might envision a different kind of role for him. I'm over it.
Starting point is 01:01:40 I don't care. Good. He's just going to be a good player. As long as you put him in a position to succeed, he is going to succeed. Just use him the right way. He is flying around. I am impressed. I think he's going to go to Indianapolis.
Starting point is 01:01:53 I think he's going to have a great workout. He's an ascending player in my mind. I feel like I don't give a bleepitis is rubbing off on you a little bit. Listen, it's long overdue. Yeah, it is. And I like that. I like that for you. Because I'm done talking about arm length,
Starting point is 01:02:09 And I'm done with a lot of the nonsense, and I'm just, I just want to talk players and ball. And that's what we're going to do, our best 50 football players. And I bet you those guys wind up being more successful than what we come up with, all these numbers and data and the character concerns and the durability. Like, let's just find the 50 best. And let's find guys that can play ball, linebacker. Let's find guys that can block it, you know. Speaking of which, my nudge guy is going to surprise you. you know who's growing on me a little bit this week?
Starting point is 01:02:42 I want to, who? Tail and Green. Really? Okay. I have thoughts on Tail and Green. Go ahead. I'm seeing progress in him. He's not a great pastor.
Starting point is 01:02:56 We all know that. But I'm starting to see him like where his eyes are going in the right place. He's picking up on coaching. He made a clear progression. I want to make it perfectly clear. Like Altmyer. continues to be really, really impressive with his brain. His pre-snap is checking out of plays, all that stuff.
Starting point is 01:03:13 He's doing all the right things. Nussmeier is clearly the most gifted quarterback here. He's going to be the first quarterback drafted of all these guys. He's had the durability stuff. Really interesting quotes from him talking here. A couple weeks ago didn't even know he'd be ready to play. Thrilled when he got the clearance from the medical staff. Seeing the field well.
Starting point is 01:03:32 Had to kind of get out there and start throwing again to retrain because he got himself in so many bad habits. He's driving the ball. He doesn't have an elite arm. He doesn't have Baker Mayfield's arm. We talked about it. He's a similar build. Similar kind of aggressive style.
Starting point is 01:03:45 Doesn't have Baker's arm, so he gets himself into some trouble. But Nuss is taking off. We saw that today. But as I'm watching Talen, and you've got Altmeyer, who's like the captain of consistency. And Nuss Meyer, who's clearly the guy. Tailen's just quietly going through his reps. And it's hard to do it quietly. at 6-6, 200, what was it, 200, I don't want to give the exact number, 29 pounds, 10-inch hand span,
Starting point is 01:04:14 he just envelops the ball, he's starting to make reeds better. I'm not saying his mechanics, but he's thrown with a little bit more conviction, and he's thrown a little bit more confidence, and you've got to understand, none of these drills are designed for what he does best, which is the mobility aspect. And I've seen guys come down here and look a lot worse who are dual-threat guys, go in the league and take a couple years and wind up being Jalen Hurts.
Starting point is 01:04:41 So I'm not saying anything beyond. I've just, like, I'm giving you my nudge. Like, Taylorin's had a nice week. And my goodness, there's some stuff to work with there. And as a quarterback coach, offensive coordinator, when you were talking about whatever range, with the fourth, fifth round,
Starting point is 01:04:58 wherever it, maybe it's third, I don't know. He's intriguing. Are we doing polls? Can we do a poll? Yeah, we've got to get out of here because it's time to go to dinner And I know it's got to be quick We didn't get to eat at Noble South last night Because we took too long
Starting point is 01:05:11 If you were following the show last year The show was late Go Who's had a better week? Jalen Millrow last year Or Tailing Green this year? I don't even think it's close It's not the close
Starting point is 01:05:23 Jalen Milrow was hard to watch at the scene before last year Now Tailing Green throwing motions longer to me They're still got to work on some of the He's climbing the pocket And he's keeping his eyes down the field But let's be honest, he's really looking for defenders so he's going to run.
Starting point is 01:05:37 There's just these little things. He's going to have to clean up. No question. I'm not. Listen. Listen. He finally, one rep today took off and ran, and I said, oh, my God. Because every stride is like four yards.
Starting point is 01:05:55 Dude, I know. I mean, he flies. And he's like gliding. It is nothing. He chews up yards. I was like, just watching that one rep, I hope you get to see it in the game a little bit where it'll be more of a situation where he can scramble. He did a hit again, he had a roll out to the right where he threw an interception, bad decision.
Starting point is 01:06:16 Yes, there's things that he has to work on. He's had a better week here than Jalen Milro did last year who went the third round, I think, to Seattle. He's an interesting cat in a weak quarterback class. Yeah. I'm intrigued to watch him tomorrow when we're getting in the red zone stuff and some of those things. I'm intrigued to watch him in the game where he can actually do what he does best. His decision making was absolute trash at times in Arkansas. Don't get me wrong.
Starting point is 01:06:40 His accuracy is a passer is not anywhere near where it needs to be. But I'm watching a young man who's like quietly absorbing and picking up on coaching. And like that's fun to me. That's exciting. And it's not Jalen with all this hype and all this stuff. He's just in there kind of grinding away doing his thing. So I'm intrigued to watch where that turns out. I'm also, I'm intrigued to see like, hey, ATB, you're going to show up tomorrow?
Starting point is 01:07:06 Cole Marie, where have you been? Can I call you, hon? I think I get you in trouble. I might get you in trouble. Yeah, so I get it in the middle of the week. It's not Saturday night. But tomorrow night is going to be a big show, all right? And so we're going to need everyone awesome showing tonight.
Starting point is 01:07:21 You know, for a Wednesday night, I get it. But tomorrow night, like, put the ATB out on, on ATB, right? ATP on ATB on A-A-TB, yeah. Yeah, so that's tomorrow night. We're back live. I have my final offensive line take for the night. What? Am I losing my mind, or is there one time in this game
Starting point is 01:07:45 where you could not run line stunts? You just had to play vanilla up front. No, that was the thing, I think. Why? You couldn't blitz. You still can't blitz. No, I'm seeing all these line stunts. I don't care about pickers and loopers right now.
Starting point is 01:07:59 I want to see guys who can win one-on-one. You have these offensive linemen have never played together trying to stay on level and pass off line stunts. And it's making these defensive linemen look good and the offensive linemen look bad. Enough. Enough. Get rid of the pickers and loopers. Let's just line up and play. I'm over it.
Starting point is 01:08:14 Such an offensive lineman thing to do. I got to protect my guys. Crusty. Got to protect my guys. Like adapt or die, menship. What do you want me to tell you? I hear you. It does add to the complications of it.
Starting point is 01:08:29 We're back tomorrow night. 8 o'clock Eastern, 7 o'clock Central. We're going to Netflix next Monday. Be prepared. We'll get you more information on how that's all going to work. No one freak out. We're still going to have a lot of content coming on the YouTube page. We're shifting over to Netflix.
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Starting point is 01:09:04 We're going to let Dan eat tonight and then he'll post it. We are doing IG Lives at the end of practices. Which, by the way, I thought IG Live, like I thought we were doing like a mini show. And so we get on IG Live yesterday and apparently like two minutes in people are doing like the mo, like yawning emoji and stuff. I thought we were doing like a 10 minute show. Like when we had our pre-meetings. And Dan and Marissa are in the background, like, and I'm like, no, we're just warming up.
Starting point is 01:09:34 So we finally kind of figured that thing out today. But yeah, we're on IG. We're on at McShay 13, at you good munch. That's it. I don't want to plug anymore. We just appreciate you being here. This is an awesome time. And hopefully this is a little bit more of the show you were looking for yesterday
Starting point is 01:09:50 without all the quarterback stuff because this is more of the senior bowl that I fell in love with as a young scout in this industry. and I'm psyched to be digging in deeper than I have been able to for the last, I don't know how many years working for a, you know, for the big network. So yeah, this has been great. Five stars. That's my line. I know, I just took it.
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