The McShay Show - The Draft Mailbag Special!

Episode Date: April 18, 2025

Welcome back to The McShay Show! Todd and Steve open up the mailbag and answer questions from listeners on Instagram, Twitter, and The McShay Report newsletter. Sign up for The McShay Report to receive Todd’s mock and other draft content straight to your email inbox. (0:00) Welcome to The McShay Show! (2:05) Checkout the McShay Report! (7:57) Justin: Team Model for Draft Success? (18:43) Matt: Why is Mason Graham Falling? (23:24) Doug: Importance of Arm Length for OL/DL? (27:51) Jake: Build the Perfect EDGE Prospect (34:18) Chad: Cornerback Evaluations (42:30) Brian: Comparing Ashton Jeanty to Bijan Robinson (49:17) Oliver: Build the Perfect QB Prospect (56:51) Blake: Why Do Teams Excel at Drafting Certain Positions? (1:03:05) Kyle: Bowers compared to 2025 TE Prospects (1:06:41) Marie: Expect any teams to trade into the 1st for a QB? (1:10:50) Sam: Strongest 2026 Position Groups? (1:12:51) Coach Bruce: You Gonna Let Muench Cook?! The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Host: Todd McShay Guest: Steve Muench Producers: Tucker Tashjian, Mark Panik, Conor Nevins, and Daniel Comer Social: Eduardo Ocampo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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That's what we're calling the draft mailbag special. We're doing it today, answering all of your questions. There's no rundown. There's no show script. There's no agenda. There's no offensive linemen. Munch needs to talk about, although I'm sure we'll get into it.

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Winners and like, hey, we get some work still to do, break down after the draft. And the way too early, 2026 mock draft, which I actually put a little bit of where you saw. I sent you a text starting the board a little bit. Plus, I am writing. I'm in the midst. Dan, another unbelievable. talented and wonderful human being that we get to work with here. Dan Comer. I'm in the midst of my Holland's opus. We started it as like, yeah, let's answer some questions. We'll

throw it together a mailbag. We got so many damn questions. Great questions. And I can't, you know me. When I start going like this, I can't stop. It's a holl, it's my Holland's opus. We get the AFC mailbag coming out Friday morning, the NFC mailbag coming out Saturday morning. And these answers are, it's like everything I have. I'm finally emptying the bag before I get on that plane day head out to L.A. with Mench sitting in the big chair, aren't you big boy? Yeah, I upgraded your ass. How does that happen? First class to L.A. for Mench. And we get going on draft week there. And just a quick reminder. I know I'm not supposed to do all this. Everyone gets so annoyed, but please join us. I want 100,000. That's my goal. I want 100,000 viewers on YouTube and Spotify.

Aim high, man. Maybe 200,000, but we'll start with 100,000. We're a lot of streaming from there we've got the great show that's going to be a blast with rsillo on on saturday from noon uh pacific time three p m eastern time on saturday from rsillo's house absolutely get a torch that place turn it upside down okay there's the quick update it where are we on the what's the 40 status where where where we i talked to him the other day with daniel jeremiah he didn't say no he's worried he's worried he's worried about injury okay understandably jeremiah j jrima proposed that we should run it in the sand he lives like of course for so you know bachelor pad in manhattan beach right he lives like i don't know like a seven iron from the beach he he thinks we should

run in the sand because he wants to give uh rsillo an excuse uh uh we're doing on on on the strand there or we're going to do it up on one of the streets in manhattan beach i want to run the 40 he didn't say no and he's pissed and i knew i would piss him off because i went on with bill simmons and we started talking about six seconds as the bar as the over under that got him. I actually think he's going to be like a 5-1, 5-2 is what I told him. But he also mentioned the meat stick. It's pretty good. He mentioned that he's got a squat bar out there too.

And maybe we could do the 225 bench press wrap. So we'll see what we can get out of Riscilla. But that's Saturday, the first night of the draft we're live streaming. Let's got 100,000 people. I don't care. Put ESPN NFL network on a lot. the side, get your iPad out, get your third screen, making your primary screen. We're going to have a blast covering the entire drive. We're going to start one hour earlier. So I believe the draft starts

at 8 p.m. Eastern. We're going to be on at 7 p.m. Eastern. I'm going to tell you everything I'm here. Talking to GMs, talking to scouts, coaches who are on the league. We're going to give you all that information, what we're hearing, what we think the potential moves could be. Then we're done with that first day. We get the second round. And then we're going to do a review show after the first three rounds of what teams have accomplished. Nice big review show for you to have Saturday morning. you get up and you're ready for the draft, then come visit us at Rosillo's House on Saturday. All right, that's it for the pitches. That's it for the stories.

But if you want my Holland's opus, the mailbag, which is much beyond, I'm answering, in that I'm answering, Mensh, just so you know, we got so many overwhelming response, what Tucker tells me, overwhelming. And I see it on my ex feed. I ask for questions, which is wonderful. Thank you. That's why we're here today, an additional show this week. we got so many questions that we decided all right let's do a show and let's kind of make it more

player specific unique questions these questions are awesome man i don't know if you had a second to preview them preview them i didn't i tried on purpose i wanted to be a natural response i've got a sense of where we're going i have done any preparation for the show okay uh but we got so many of them that there were enough to fill a mailbag for each team we got questions multiple questions for all 32 markets okay so So team specific stuff, we'll get into some of it here. But the very specific team stuff, I'll have in that Holland's opus called the mailbag in the McShea report. Today, we're going to answer these questions that were sent it.

So here we go. Are you ready? First question comes in from the McShay report subscriber. We appreciate you, Justin, and everyone else who subscribes. Let's go, Justin. When you look back at all the time you've been covering the draft, what are the the common threads for the teams that consistently perform the best? Is there an organizational and process model that sticks out? Or are there a few ways to do it that can work well?

There are obviously multiple ways and there's no one answer. I go back to stay true to yourself. You have to stay true to yourself, but go ahead. Yeah. So much of it is identifying players for your scheme and honestly goodness. If you don't have a quarterback, none of it matters. None of it matters. I talked to a GM recently, Mitch, at a really good open conversation about his drafting careers, a longtime GM in the NFL. And we talked about the situation that the Browns are in and the Giants are in and the Saints are in.

And he was talking about the one time that he took a chance, let's just say, on a certain quarterback where he knew deep down in his core. if it was any other position, that player would have been taken in the second round or wherever, but took a hack because you get to take swings at this thing. And he said when he looks back at his career, it's one of the mistakes he made, like up there near the top, maybe at the top, okay?

And so I, and that's not like breaking news, right? But just to hear it from someone who sat in that chair, you know, the advice that would be given. And then I also look this thing up too. But we can get into it later. But quarterback, it starts there. How are you going to land your quarterback? And if you identify that you get,

if you and your head coach and your offensive coordinator are lockstep on a guy, whatever it takes, whatever it takes, go get them. Okay, that's what I would say for starters. Then once you've got your quarterback, and I've preached this for a while now, I've done a study on a lot of the top organizations, from the Ravens to the Green Bay Packers,

who have always had a quarterback. It is in my lifetime, dating back to Burrack. at Favre to the Kansas City Chiefs, to the Buffalo Bills, like Philadelphia Eagles, right? All the organizations that are consistently winning, Super Bowls and or in the playoffs, it's just you close your eyes and think of it. When they get their quarterback, it's, if you go through like draft, I use draft history.com, right? It's the quickest best resource to go, you can look up the history of the NFL draft by team,

by position, by year, by, school, all those things. If you go and look and you study by team of those organizations, once they've identified they've got their guy, it's remarkable the trend of immediately flipping to the defensive side of the ball. Typically with defensive linemen and cornerbacks, early in drafts, okay?

And it makes sense because you talked to, from Bill Polion with his days with the Colts. I read so many conversations, Dwight Freeny and the past rushers that they brought in under the one six second mark. I can still hear these conversations in my head. They've got to run under one six. We need guys on the turf. They can run fast. We need closers.

We talked to Howie Roseman. Two times Super Bowl winning general manager for the Philadelphia Eagles. What do you say to us, Bench? If you're going to score a lot of points, you need what? Closers. Yeah. Remember the conversation? You got me on the spot, man.

No, I know. You need closers. And that's why every year it's like, wow, there's highway again. Everyone like focuses on the Georgia thing. How about focus on the fact that it's like they keep drafting defensive linemen in the first three rounds? Like, where are they going to play these guys at? Well, all of a sudden, you know, Milton Williams comes up and he's gone. So now plug in the next guy.

Yeah. So that to answer your question, Justin, for me is one of the trends and themes that I've studied. And I believe it. I truly believe. Because the quarterback can make up for the sins of 10 other guys on the offensive side. He can't do much for you defensively outside of field position. Right? Right.

What else? I love this strategy. And you're right about the strategy. You still got to find the right players, right? And I think if you look at an organization like Baltimore, which I think is a good organization to study, you look at the continuity of that organization and how they developed their scouts, how, you know, DeCosta came up under Ozzy. They hired within.

it was a smooth transition. They pay their scouts too. Yeah, they take care of them. And they ask a lot, by the way. It's not just a free paycheck. You earn it. But when you're in that building, everyone's on the same page of what they think is going to be a good Baltimore

Raven. How someone's going to fill a need or play a role on their roster. And that's invaluable. There's a lot of turnover in the league, and it drives me nuts because I feel like some of these front offices don't get a chance to really a stand. their program, there's no consistency, there's no continuity, and then you're bringing someone else in and you're starting all over again. When coaches and scouts and front office personnel

and everyone is, owners are all on the same page and they're all rowing in the same direction, I can't tell you how much that can do for an organization. It's so important. And when you're turning over as much as you are, whatever. And again, it doesn't have to be the same approach. And it doesn't have to be the, you don't have to value the same position is the same way, but just have everyone on the same page, everyone believing, and then having the understanding and the will to adjust and tweak your approach without abandoning it. So if there's a new trend developing,

or if you've learned that, you know, we used to love players from this conference or we thought this size receiver or this, and you're in the game is evolving. You evolve with the game without totally abandoning what your personality is, what your identity is. Two other things when it comes to drafting, specifically that I've I think are fairly, I don't want to say obvious, but I've grown in appreciation for. And as I get older, my, my patients has improved. We're still working on

it, baby. Forty eight years in, we're still working on the patient. It's getting better. But the organizations that make the biggest mistakes are the impatient ones. And the organizations, if you watch, how many times did Ozzie Newsom and has Eric Acosta, sat there at pick 26, 27, 28, 30, right? And a guy that we all believed that was going to be drafted at like 15, 17, lands right in their lap, patience. How he too?

They both do that. Howie did that too, yeah. How he's a different, how he's got ants in his pants. I know. Yeah. He'll move up to move down to move up, but he'll wind up. He out thinks you.

I wouldn't want to trade with Howie. Because when I'm done with the deal with Howie, I think, oh, I got the best of them or that's a fair value trade. And then I come to realize like two weeks later, shit, he got me. Like, he does a great job with that. But that plays into my second point. We're all human. Every scouting department messes up. And it's not necessarily the evaluation of the player.

Oftentimes I tell this story because it sticks with me almost 12. 20 years later, Mitch, sitting there with Marty Schottenheimer on the ESPN set, I was doing dot com 20 years ago. Okay. And he said, Todd, I'm telling you, he's like, you could have the best eye for talent in the world. The hardest part of this whole deal, this whole deal is when you give a human being, it doesn't matter what profession, you give a human being more money, more free time and more fame than. that person has ever had before. It's a deadly combination, and it's almost impossible to predict. And so, you know, my point in all of that is their mistakes will be made,

and it probably isn't because you were wrong on the talent level, because the arm strength was good enough, or the 40 wasn't faster. It's because you were wrong on the person. So more is better, quantity over quality, typically, unless we're dealing with a quarterback or a very specific thing for a very specific team at that time, quantity of picks is better. And that's what I look at at this year. I don't have my chart.

That's why teams value them so much, right? Yes. And that's why like, and you hear like, why do you care about a second or third round pick? It's there. You hear about these trades for like, yeah, or like fifth and six rounds. Exactly.

Yeah. Hit on one of those guys and get a starter. Now you've increased the odds of that being a winning draft. I look at teams right now like Atlanta and Arizona with with five and six respectively, Minnesota only with four picks. In the entire draft, I'm talking, Washington, five picks.

Those are teams. If they're smart and get the opportunity, you might hear their name, whether it's in the first night or early in the second night of the draft, moving back. On the flip side, I'm just going down the list alphabetically.

Baltimore, 11 picks. Buffalo, 10 picks. Cleveland and Dallas have 10 picks. Jacksonville, 10 picks. Chargers, 10 picks. Miami 10 picks. They need it. Sam Fran, 11 picks.

Need them. Seattle, 10 picks. John Schneider's trying to rekindle the old flame. Go back to his scouting days. So those are the organizations. I'm fascinated to see what they do in this year's draft. And it may not be packaging all those picks to go up and get one guy. It may just be they stick home, get 11, 10 guys.

And five of them work out. And that's a great job. Three starters. I was told early in my career. Three starters. from a given draft. Three good, solid starters keeps your roster replenished. Four is a great draft.

Anything beyond is outrageous. So, all right, what you think about, you're like, all this work, all these private planes and flights and senior bowl and East West Shrine and Hulah Bull and Combine and private workouts and pro day workouts and all this stuff, all this money, all these resources. And if I can get, I do it all to get three to five. starters from a draft class. It's wild. All right. Next question. Matt, another premium McShay report subscriber.

We appreciate you, Matt, and everyone else. Why is Mason Graham falling out of the running at number four when he's still considered a blue chip and possibly a top three player in the draft? Man, you take it. Why is he falling out? Is that, do you feel like that's not happening? Oh, Matt, Matt,'s asking. I could see why.

We'll go into why it happened. I think the question probably is, I don't, and I don't want to speak for you, Matt, but I think the question's more, we've talked about him as a top three player, right? And now, now all of a sudden, New England at four is going to take Will Campbell, let's say, if that's how it plays out. Why is he going to wind up at five? I don't know, feels like splitting hairs a little bit, but go ahead. Yeah, so, I mean, let's look at it this way.

I think you'll talk about need a little bit. I'll let you do that. Let's look at the two defensive tackles that last went in the top five. I think this is right. Marcel Darius was in 2011, and Quinn and Williams was in 2019. They were both the third overall picks in their drafts.

Both of them were 300 plus pounds. Those are the last. When you rip off information like that, Mitch, put more emphasis on it. Look at you. Those are the last two top five. I miss the guy. Those are the last two,

five top five. five interior different. Wow. Yeah. And what years were those? In 2019, 2011, I believe. Holy smokes. I did not know that. Both Bama boys.

Both guys who played at Alabama. That's wild. And both were 300 plus pounds. Both of them run sub five second 40s. Both of them had longer arms and Mason Graham. Like, look, if you're sitting there and you're doing a commercial for the draft lead up and you've asked for the guy who's the third player on the board and it's a defense, defensive tackle in Mason Graham walks in and we've seen them you know we saw him at

the combine you're like who's this guy you know you're not thinking that you know who's this this dude now why you get the same you get the same vibe looking at him as I got looking at Brock Bowers a year ago when he was standing next to garage right picture yeah and he may and and I'm not saying he will fall but that may be why you know if you're looking at it so we're talking about a position that doesn't traditionally go that early we're talking about guys like, and Domic and Sue was another top five pick. I mean, these are, when you look at the guys who've gone on the top five,

it's, they look different. They, they are different kinds of athletes. And Mason Graham isn't necessarily a guy that test that well. He didn't run at the combine. He doesn't have great length. He's sub-300 pounds. But, you know, don't make the mistake. I get doing it based on need and if you value a player a little bit higher.

I get all of those things. But, I mean, I feel really confident that Mason Graham's going to be a really good pro i mean a really good pro yeah his tape was a thing of beauty man yeah the hand usage the leverage former wrestler just knows the angles the instincts the awareness i just i love just tape i i can see years in a row too by the way 2023 and 2024 both outstanding yes i mean he didn't have i mean which not a lot of bad tape out there i feel like we don't say that enough about players when you're stacking years, that's just something to me. And I just look at James Gladstone, GM of the,

and we said this the other day, but it's worth repeating. He was an integral part of what the Rams did, working under Les Need, less made the final decisions, but he was an integral part of that process with the Rams. And they drafted two high impact defensive, interior defensive linemen that had short. order arms. Most recently, Braden Fisk, 32-inch arms. And just prior to that, our former

Richmond Spider, who defected to Wake Forest for a year before we getting drafted. I think in the third round was it, Kobe Turner with 31-inch arms. So what, you're giving me a look? No, I was trying to think about what round it was. Third sounds right. Okay. So he would be, based off his experiences, he might be more likely than, say, like a John Dorsey ain't drafting a, and I know he's out of the league and he's not with Jacksonville anymore. But if John Dorsey were there, like Mason, Graham ain't the pick. He's a measurable length, thick, you know, all that stuff. So it can sometimes just come down to who's making that call.

Doug on X, appreciate the fall. Mench, it's you good, Mench, you good, Mench. M-U-E-N-C-H is his handle on X, and mine's McShea 13. Doug on X asks, can you explain what 31, oh, this ties him perfectly. Can you explain what 31-inch arms on an O-Linman or D-Linman means? What's the specific physical advantage to having longer arms at those positions? Memphis is right in your wheelhouse. Yeah, 31 inches is, I'm going to check my average.

I have the shape that I keep for every position of what average lengths and, you know, measurables are for every position. And we'll get into this a little bit. The 31-inch arms would be that's tough for an offensive lineman. 32-inch arms for an offensive lineman. We're talking about a center. Yeah, yeah. Right.

But that's where, I mean, that's the lower end of it. For defensive linemen, I don't think it's quite as important. But again, for defensive tackle, you know, you're looking around 33 and an eighth. You know, I think you can get away with it. with shorter arms of that position a little bit more? And that's a five-year combine average, right? Right. So to say why is it important, what's the advantage it it gives?

So we'll go through the offensive line first. I think that you really want to create separation in the past game. You can get it, you can be quick enough to get into position, and you can be with a really balanced stance and all of that stuff. And I look at feet first when I'm watching defensive linemen and offensive linemen, but then the next thing I want to know is who's winning the hand-to-hand combat. And the length is a real asset when it comes to hand-to-hand combat. You see guys like a Shamar Stewart out of Texas A&M come screaming off the corner

and all of a sudden transition from speed to power and he shoots that long arm on you. I don't care who you are. It's real tough to sit and anchor against that. But if you could shoot your punch and you can time that punch up and kind of disrupt that momentum, you're in a lot better position. Again, this matters more for offensive tackles than guards, but it still matters for guards and centers. And then the flip side is true for defensive linemen, right?

It's, again, who's getting that momentum, who's landing the first punch, and it gives them a significant advantage. If you're a guy coming off the edge and you have those long arms to shoot and start driving an offensive tackle and then you can get off the block late or long arm or all of those things, it's a real advantage for you. Now, I will say this. There are plenty of guys that have long arms to play offensive tackle and have no idea how to use them. They don't time their punch well.

They're late with their punch. They're wide with their punch. It's not a, it's not a, oh, he checks this box. It's, you know, does he use it to his advantage? And that's true about every trade for every football player. If you're quick, do you use it to your advantage? Or are you not instinctive enough to use that? So there's all those things that come into play.

I also think scheme comes into account. If you're a defensive lineman, you're playing in a two-gap scheme and you need to press blockers off your frame, then length is probably a little bit more important than if you're playing in an aggressive one gap scheme. And that's why Fisk is so good with those short arms is he's by you before you can block them. You know, like you can talk about not having length. He just doesn't, it's not part of his game.

He doesn't care. And that's great that, you know, you take that into account when you're evaluating a player. I notice it sometimes with shorter armed tackles, and I think everything you just said is beautiful. That's, I mean, that sums it up really well. shorter armed offensive tackles have a tendency to be overly eager to get into they're not as patient and they're not as patient because it's like the little rascal nephew who's you know who you're the uncle with the long arms is kind of holding by the head you know like they're they want to get into the body and they're like so and what is that what's the downfall of that what's the vulnerability

it's you lose you can lose balance anytime you're you're you're you're over-asserting, and, you know, then all of a sudden it can throw off your balance. When you're off balance, when you get to that league, with those grown-ass men, good luck. Yeah, and if you do it once, you're going to see it five times the next game. You're going to see it 10 times the next game. It's not, you better, you got to fix the holes in your game in or you won't last that league. Yeah.

So, all right, good stuff. Next question. That was from Doug. This is from Jake. Jake, another premium McShay report subscriber, okay? Here's a question, excluding Abdul Carter. Oh, this is going to be fun. Can you build the best possible edge rusher slash DE using the skill sets of basically all of the strength, hands, quickness of the snap, bend, shedding blockers, all that stuff of the players in this draft.

Let's have some fun with this. I'll give it a stab, Munch, of what I would build, okay? and you can you can poke holes or you can take it further or you can add some traits i want let me get pulled this i want the length of michael williams 6 5-260 34 and 3 8th inch arms that's longer than a lot of the tackles he's going to go up against okay so you talk about winning that leverage game and getting into pads uh i want his length first step speed speed like that for to me let's just go first step and speed like that explosive burst no one ever had a better i remember like watching and thinking he was getting the pitch count tip to him

or the pitch tip to him von miller yes i remember watching the why because like when you would study the tape without question the all 22 and then you get the tight right and i remember that oklahoma game for some reason that pops in my head hand a and m versus oklahoma how long ago was that i still remember that game because i remember watching the tight which is from behind and i'm like my goodness he's up in their pads fast and then i flipped it over the wide and it was like how do i explain it it was like he knew the snap count and i started to so i started watching the center to see if he was tip and it's actually um oh sam bradford and they were doing the clap thing and i'm like he's he's got a beat on it and then bradford did yeah second clap and he still was i

you know i'm like that son of a bitch yeah then it would reduce surface area he was i mean he was unbelievable but he was different than everyone there is no von miller in this class but the closest thing too in terms of that first step explosion and speed to finish with it is james pierce i was good okay we're i thought you wanted to go walker but i'm with you on pierce i considered walker i'll get to walker in a second okay um But Pierce, you got to remember, Pierce ran a 4-4-7. And that's, you're happy with that. That's different.

You're right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. But it's, but it's also the, um, then I went with redirect that outside in move or, or this is important too, not just like an outside in or an inside out move right before you get to the tackle. Also the, all right, I got in the back field, but the, but the, the, the spot has changed. The quarterback's off his spot.

Now I got a, I got a, I got a, instead of the old Titanic that me and Spielman, you're talking about, you know, there's some of those guys. And interestingly enough, Mike Green, I'll get to him in a second for Marshall. Phenomenal pass rush. I'll get to his straight. And second, he leaves some sacks on the field. He's so explosive, he's so quick, but he's got a little redirect slowness.

So he'll get back there, he'll get you off the spot. And I know he'll have the nation in sacks, but that's going to be an issue for his game. Um, so that's the redirect. And, and I think some of the bend, too with, kind of like the rip, dip, dip and rip. Uh, violent hands. I went with Mike Green. That dude in his frame is so damn powerful and the snap in his hands. So I got frame and length of Mike L, first steps burst and speed, the get off and the speed appears.

The redirect of Jalen, the violent hands of, of, of, of, of, Mike Green, the strong-ass leg drive of Shemar Stewart. That dude will, you just said, the 34 and 3 eighths inch arms, picture, arm up in the chest of the offensive lineman, flat back in that ass right into the quarterback. Flat, flat back. He gets you off balance and just throws you up field. I mean, it's, yeah, it's fun to watch. Where he struggles. On the block.

Where he struggles is the instincts and awareness. And that's why I'm going to, for instincts and awareness, I'm going with Azaraku. I love this. I'm not going to, I would do the same thing. I hate to agree with you as much as I do. I mean, polishing game plan, that kid's got it.

I mean, he's always has a plan. He always knows how to set guys up. It seems like he's thinking almost two or three snaps ahead instead of just within that one play. I told you I was talking to DJ and Rosillo the other day. We did a show. It was actually a lot of fun. He actually, he made a good point.

And I absolutely agree with them. The special traits at Edge are really important to find. And I just. Is DJ or Rosillo? Definitely not Rosillo. That's going to say, it's going to be interesting. He was saying like, he goes, I wonder in his conversations with people in the league, too, As Araaku, we all believe he's going to get to the point where he's really successful.

Like, we all believe in him, the motor, the instincts, the awareness, the hand usage. He's got good, like, I wouldn't even call it like the bend and torso flexibility as much as it is. It doesn't waste a lot of motion with him, you know? And he's just a technician. And he never quits. But like Liatu last year out of UCLA, the supremely talented technicians, not the supremely gifted technicians,

the guys who are awesome with their hands and the plan and all that stuff, sometimes it takes them a little while like Trey Hendrickson, he was saying, to emerge because you get to the league and it's like, oh, shoot, now I got 35-inch arms at left tackle. I've got guys who can handle power and speak.

So I've got to kind of, I'm going to hone my craft. And that's what he was saying. There's some teams he talked to were kind of struggling with. I love them. but as he first like where in the first round do I want to take a guy that may not be ready to offer me a whole lot as a rookie so I thought that was interesting all right next question premium mckshay report subscriber chad thank you for the content and deep dives as a former db this is going to be a db centric question appreciate that when you're evaluating corners what are you looking for to determine if someone is a nickel slot or an outside corner also although people like Jada Baron and Jacob Parrish, be best used at nickel, I think. They have the chops to match up on the outside.

That's his opinion. I understand the big wide receiver versus small guy argument, but I also used to give bigger wide receiver. Oh, I like this. I see you, chat. I understand the big wide receiver versus small guy argument, but I used to give bigger wide receivers problems in press coverage. I am 5-9.

Thank you, as always. I love that, Chad. Good. I want to see Chad's tape. Send it in. Yeah. Let's see. Yes, Chad.

So do you remember a corner named Dre Bligh? He's just under 5'10. Yeah, played for the Rams. Really good player. I went down to Shaw for a couple years and did a radio draft show down there. And he was there one year. He probably doesn't remember. of this conversation, but he's there.

He was shade under 510. He was a real physical corner. He was a guy that could match up on the outside, even though he wasn't taller. And he, man, he pulled me over. And he was like, hey, you listen. You're talking about a lot of these guys being nickel guys. You're not selling out my smaller guys. Because, you know, he took it personally.

That was in some players do. Steve Smith, when you looked at him as the wide receiver, another Carolina guy, the Panthers. You know, he was a small receiver, but he won so many contested catches downfield. It didn't matter. He played on the outside. That being said, here's what I'm looking for. When you're looking for a nickel, you have specific challenges, right? You're going up against a slot receiver that has a two-way go.

And that's, you have to be a little bit more fluid and you have to be quicker. I also think, interestingly enough, you have to be very good against the run because you're playing closer to the line of scrimmage. And a lot of teams are running out of those spread sets. So you better be tough and you better be willing to play the run. On the outside, you don't necessarily have to be bigger, but you have to be strong. you have to be good enough to reroute receivers. You have to be competitive enough to compete for 50-50 balls. Those are kind of the things.

You've got to be able to run with guys downfield. Those are the kind of things that I'm looking for in an outside corner. So to simplify it, a nickel would be quicker, more fluid, still tough. An outside corner would be someone who could reroute guys. It could run maybe a little bit better downfield. Yeah, it is interesting. I want to go in a couple places with this. there's not many guys

and I'm just kind of looking through it now there's not many guys that aren't 5-11 and most of the really good ones are 6 foot or taller okay at outside corner in the NFL right you think about it like the Christian

Gonzalez Joey Porter Jr. Slay Cirtan Sneed Diggs Wollen all taller longer guys Jalen Ramsey in his prime. Yeah, I mean, you go down the list, right? And it's because of the length.

I've always said, listen, not all positions, it matters like the 40 times, the workouts, all that stuff. No position is driven more by a combination of two measurables than corner is driven by length and speed. That 40 time combined with the arm and leg. And even when you get a guy like Denzel Ward, who's a little undersized, he's got 31, he's got 31 and a half inch arms, which is, you know, when you get to that 30 inch range or sub 30, and I think that that's part of the, you know, the question mark. I look at one of my favorite players in the entire draft, Jad A Barron, Texas Corner, 29 and 5 eighths inches, okay? So it's a deal. It's a thing. but I also want to say this, Chad, my 5-9 corner,

I am on a kick right now. Where did I put it? I am on an absolute kick. The thing about Barron, though, is he plays the ball so well for a guy with shorter arms. Here we go. Say it again, I'm sorry. Yeah, his ability to displace, it's like what I'm talking to Marissa, she said, but how was it, I ask a question?

and for two minutes or silence. And then all of a sudden, like, I know I have issues. I wanted to look. I want you to hear this list, Chad, and everybody else, okay? Mike Sanry Still. Cooper DeGine, Drew Phillips, Tykee Smith, Tarheeb Still, Garrett Williams, Brian Branch, okay? Dax Hill, Jalen Petrie. All of these guys.

Various. They're all nickels. okay Cooper dejean is is different he's bigger than most of the guys all of these guys didn't have the measurables didn't it whether it's the arm length the speed for de jean whatever it was that got them to that nickel spot sandr's still second round 24 de jean second round 2024 phillips second round a third round 2024 tykees smith third round 2024 tarhebe still fifth round 2024 that's all that's all from last year. 2023.

Garrett Williams, second round. Brian Branch, second round. Byron Murphy, third round. All 2023. 2022, the last three drafts. Dax Hill, 31st overall pick. Jalen Petrie, second round. All of those guys, 31st pick,

but all of everyone else, second or third or fourth or fifth round draft pick. They're all absolute difference makers in the NFL, and they got, we're gotten on the cheap. And that's why I have to wonder because nickel is a starter. We don't have a mic and a Sam and a will. 100%. That's why inside linebackers aren't value the same way as they were before because you're replacing one with that nickel. And that's your base. So why is it that my

nickel guy, all these guys are like interceptions in the playoffs, advance to the next round, interceptions at Super Bowls, they're not impact players? No. It's a starting position, and you're covering up these wide receivers that become so important in today's game. And that's why when I see a Jada Baron, when I see a Maxwell-Hirston,

I'm like, sure, pass on them. I don't know. I'm with, Chad, I am in your corner. Go. Of course you are. It's other positions that are the same way, though. Why do you get Rob Gukowski the second, you know, in the second round or George Kittle in the fifth round?

Now, you know what I mean, though. There's those guys, there's different makers, difference makers that go later on because of the position. Right now, we'll see if this changes because I agree with you. It's going in that way. Right now, there's just not value the same way. And I think a GM might respond to you by saying, yeah, because you can get Byron Murphy, which is insane to me in the third round. I mean, that's just crazy to me that you can get that kind of a player in the third round.

So when you're talking about it, I think GM's looking at. at it well well that's the market man you get great running backs in the fifth round you get great running backs in the third round why do i have to take one early that's probably the way they look at it i get it the value doesn't match up with what you get on sundays not even close i mean just not all right brian on x again follow would you would you please like while you're listening or watch this pick up your phone and would you follow mench please you good mensch we change it from like no no like The value follow. Y-O-U-O-D-M-U-E-N-C-H.

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if we're not, you do have to be a little better. I have to be a lot better. Munch is going to make a commitment right now to you. And they're going to make a commitment to you by following. It's like the dating game. I'm making a match. You guys start to follow Mens. Ments should have built it and you would come.

But why don't you come and then bench will build it? At you good, Munch. Brian on X. Can you compare, contrast Jinty with Bijon Robinson, the last two blue chip running backs? Despite being two different styles of running back, They are slash were both considered top running back prospects. Why?

Talk to me about this one. This one I struggle with a little bit. How different are their styles? Not terribly different. They're one shorter than the other. I think, to me, personally. I wish Brian had kind of elaborated what he was seeing, because maybe Brian's seeing something that we didn't see.

I don't think Bejohn has, I don't think Bejohn has quite the context. contact balance. Okay. I think Bejohn, what did Bejohn? I don't know if he's fast. I don't know. He's like a longer stride.

Maybe a little, a little bit more accomplished, like running routes and catching the ball. He was definitely a thing. Yep. Yeah. I mean, he is. He absolutely coming out of college, he was more accomplished as a route running, catching the ball in the open field a little bit more. Whereas I view like Alvin Camara absolutely can do that stuff.

But you look at Elvin's production. It reminds me a lot. It's a lot of screens. Yeah. Getting in the ball in space. Yes. And let him kind of go from zero to 60. Nothing wrong with that.

No, but I do think it's fascinating. Here, I want to make this point. The devaluation of the running back position. Talent trumps trends every time, bro. Mm-hmm. Here we go. 2017, I told you, we're in the thick of it. It's passing game, spreads, all these different concepts.

College is trickling up, all that stuff. Still had 30 running backs taken. And we had two guys in the top in the top 10 there. So when, excuse me, when Ginty, who I gave this comparison the other day, in case you weren't watching it. And Brian, we appreciate your question. I said, like, I was trying to, I, he, his run style reminds me of a lot, maybe just because they're kind of shorter compact

Ladanyan Tomlinson, the run style, the combination of vision, change of direction, the quick shiftingness, low to the ground, power. And then also the contact balance. Yes, the power.

Now, that to me is kind of, when I, if I'm trying to find one guy that I think his run style similar to, it would be LT, Ladanian Thompson. So much fun to watch. Camara is the comp.

I just can't get it. out of my head once I and I even went and I watched Gentine I put on some Camara passing game university and there's just something about like the quick the way they start how shifty they are and it's like easy stuff that they make into big plays and then I told you the commitment to the games like Herschel Walker

this guy is absolutely insane. I love that. Everyone's taking there. Everyone is taking their NIL money and they put it in Lamborghinis and all sorts of crazy fun stuff and not good. I'm not promoting any of it. He has put it into

like cryo i don't even know the name of this this stuff like the into his nutrition chef his body and not because he wants to look good on the beach because he wants to be the best okay um but 10 running uh in the last 10 years there have been six running backs that have been drafted in the top 10 this is the last decade only six running backs drafted in the top 10 which is understandable so he he will keep that number at six because 2015 that will get knocked off Todd Gurley but it will remain 10 running backs in the last decade drafted in the top 10 when he's drafted to New England at four. Oh, here we go. Just stir in the pot. Great to help yourself. There's a breeze. Oh, my God. I think

fans would be super excited. I mean, they'd still be like, what are we doing a left tackle? But yeah. You can't do that, right? Bring him in and make your, like Sequin behind the Giants, Sequin behind the Eagles. Yeah. Speaking of Sequin, here's the list for you, Brian. And I do appreciate the question with Bejan.

I don't know that we got the best answer for you, but it's more like run style. Like I said, I think more contact balance and power than Bejon, Bejon a little bit more accomplished in terms of getting out, running routes, doing things in the passing game. Bejohn a little bit better in past pro too. Yeah.

Oh, yeah, yeah. That's definitely a difference. Purely from a running the football standpoint, Ginty's better. Okay. My opinion. I love them both. Bejohn is the most recent,

2023. He was eighth overall in the Falcons. Sequin Barclay. Second overall, New York Giants in 2018. Leonard Fournett, fourth overall, Jaguars 2017. Also that year, we talked about that year. This year's as good, if not better.

hopefully when we look back we say it was better than 2017 because that group was awesome that was also camara and a bunch of other dudes uh but leonard four net was fourth to the jaguars christian mcalfreys four picks later eighth overall to the carolina panthers zeke elliott fourth overall dallas cowboys 2016 and then todd gurley to the rams 10th overall in 2015 uh what's next removing cam ward shadore sand this is oliver Oliver on X, removing Cam Ward, Shador, Sanders, and Jackson, Dart. Okay. Can you build the best possible QB with the following, with the traits from the,

with the following traits from the remaining names in the QB class? He went with decision making, arm strength, mobility, accuracy, leadership, poison the pocket. Okay. Yeah. Let's get in the lab. Back in the lab. Okay. This is what I like.

All right. So we're talking. Let me cross this off. We said no Cam Ward, crossed off, no Jackson Dart, cross off. So now I'm going with this list, okay, Oliver and everyone tuning in. Tyler Shuck, this is my, these are my rankings. Tyler Shuck, Louisville, Jalen Milro, Alabama, Will Howard, Ohio State, Quinn Ewers, Texas, Riley Leonard, Notre Dame, Dylan Gabriel, Oregon, Kyle McCord, Syracuse, I'm lower than him on. I'm lower on McCord than Colin Cowhard and every draft Twitter X Instagram sensation. What grade?

Do you know where you have him right now? What grade? What round? Fourth. No, fifth. I've got him in the fifth. I don't know. I'm in the fifth too.

I got a scheme scares me. I got a you can have them, great. That scheme scares me. He threw the ball more than anyone else in the country, man. And Tommy Malott from Montana State. is my 11th quarterback, and I'll get to him in a minute. Okay. I'm going to give you a couple more traits in here to hone in.

Decision-making. I'm going with Will Howard. Like it? Specifically, like that college football playoff, the way he had answers to the test, and I know Chip Kelly put him in a great position, and I know he was driving a Ferrari himself with that offense, with the weapons around him.

I know that. But his decision-making, I saw a guy who, knew what to identify identified it. And that made his pre-snap process made his post-snap decisiveness flat out, freaking fun to watch. Like there are very few times where I'm like, yes. They're sitting back with this remote, this remote in my hand, and I'm watching. Tennessee, what was it, Oregon, Texas, Notre Dame, good defenses, good defensive

coordinator, smart guys. And he's like, different defenses too, man. You see a lot of different stuff from those defenses. So I would go, and his would be almost just an ability to, yeah, to decipher what he's looking for. So the decision making, I'll go with him. I go leadership. Yeah, go, leadership. I'm going Riley Leonard, Notre Dame.

I just think about, like, the season he had to go into Texas A&M, hostile environment, you get that win in the first game of the year and then to lay the egg against Northern Illinois. the sky is falling everything is crashing around you and then you start stringing wins together then you get to the playoff and everyone's like yeah who they've beaten you know what are they done and he puts them on their back they make a run i really think the ohio state game the national championship game might have been his best game of the year that's going to get that is going to get him drafted in the fourth round i'm telling with that team i mean the first drive the first drive of that game and i get it he's running add toughness to the leadership trait if you go leadership toughness and leading by example that's how you pick up your and then what does

he do a week later you want a competitor what does he do a week i've just lost the national championship game some guys might want to go to their basement and hang out he shows up at the senior bowl the next week and says how can i get better and improve my draft stock give me riley leonard for leadership totally agree arm strength i'm going tyler shuck the way he snaps the ball off i'm going tyler shuck Everyone tells me Quinn Ewers has the best arm. Like, Quinn Ewers throws a beautiful ball. I don't see the drive. I don't see the energy.

I see it occasionally on some throws really good, but not. Tyler Shuck, he can flip that freaking wrist, man, and he snaps it off. And the energy at the end of throws. If you're out there and you're trying to figure out what I learned early on through a lot of smart people who know the whole game, but specifically quarterback. Like, if you really want to figure out on the throws that are. cross the field, deep out routes. You want to figure out a guy's true arm strength. Anyone can throw a deep ball and change your trajectory a little bit.

It's driving the ball that way. And you want to really hone in on the good arm strength. Watch study. Get the remote back of the energy on the ball at the end of the throw. That will tell you. Does it dip right at the end? Right. Does it dip a little bit?

Accuracy. This one's interesting. this one's tough i think dylan gabriel's in the running but when i went back and watched him he wasn't quite as accurate as i thought he was going to me too me too i that's i'm going to give you this this isn't one of the um the traits but i'm going to give him a a best in class trait that's um release quickness okay i'm good with that he gets a ball out quicker than i need these these these quarterbacks um accuracy who are you going with broork maybe Curtis Rourke from Indiana.

I mean, that's, could we, can we, I'm going with time. I mean, Shucks. Oh, so we could double up. No, yeah, yeah, yeah.

We can, sorry. Okay. I'll go, okay. I thought we had to go with, I see what you mean. We're picking a different one,

yeah. I don't think we have to. And Oliver's not here to fight for himself. So that leaves us with mobility, I mean, mobility, Jalen Milrow, not even close.

Yeah. Although underrated is Shucks mobility, underrated is not underrated, but I do, it's a very different kind of mobility, but Riley Leonard will be a fourth round draft pick because of the leadership, the toughness, what his commitment will be in the quarterback room. And you think about, okay, I'm in a position here.

I'm going to bind my starters down. We've got a quarter of a game to close out. Two quarters. We get two games in the middle of the season. You know that he can bring that mobility to the table. even though as a passer he is not there and may never get there as a starter um poison the pocket my brain is screaming jackson dart right now but he's not in the mix i think how it's not it's not shock i think how is up there i think how is up there

i think so too it's not mccord it's not yours his verse and mccord's versus pressure reels were challenging task to get through without writing down bad words i'm going to add another trait i'm going to add another trait that he's cooking he's in the kitchen the the position flex julian edelman josh crows oh here we go you just got to talk about your guy i love it go for it Tommy malott Montana state 511 three quarters 208 pounds option offense I'm going to watch him tonight man on day three from ricillo's house he will hear his name called and I will be throwing popcorn in the air to piss Rosillo off. All right, so where are we now?

Blake on X, as a Bengals fan, as a Bengals fan, we've struggled to draft impactful offensive linemen for quite some time. From your perspective, why do certain organizations have specific positions they excel at drafting while falling short at other areas? Very thoughtful question, Blake. What do you got mentioned? I love this question because I don't really have a great answer for it. And I think that's what makes it a great question.

Guys are skilled at different things. I think you trust yourself. If you identified skill sets, I think that if you identify the way guys react in interviews, which is something we talked about, like, what's the human element here? And teams have, you know, all these psychologists or psychiatrists or wherever these people are, former Navy SEALs, they all come in and they talk about how to develop an interview to get to the heart of what you're looking for, right? So if you can do that at certain positions, because it's going to be different at each position, you do that, you evaluate skill sets, you evaluate maybe conferences that they come from, you know, what you're looking for specifically on tape. But there's really, it's a, and also it's who's falling into.

You're only, you're kind of handcuffed by where you are picking in the drafts. It's a great question, but you're also kind of handcuffed by where you are picking in the draft and what kind of talent is available at that position. So there's a number of all these, you know, balls in the air, all these different factors that go into whether or not you're successful picking at a certain position. But it is interesting. You know, the Patriots can't draft under Belichick. Couldn't draft a wide receiver if their life depended on it.

You know, it is interesting that these teams go through these ruts of not being able to find certain players. And then other teams like, you know, Green Bay is famous for drafting receivers outside of the first round. I mean, it's interesting. And I'm sure there's specific reasons for each one of those. things happening. But I don't think it's one thing you can point to and say this is why they're bad at it

or this is why they're good at it. It doesn't help that they haven't drafted an offensive lineman. They drafted Omerius Mims was the first, first round pick they've used on an offensive lineman date. Yeah, you've got to throw more darts at the board, man. Free Jonah Williams. And it's not just first round. I'm looking.

Joe Burroughs class, first offensive lineman drafted was the sixth round. 2021, the year later. that Jackson Coleman from Clemson or Jackson, sorry, Jackson Carmen from Clemson. That was second round. I didn't like that pick. I remember not liking it at the time. 2022, you drafted a guard in the fourth round. When you're drafting a guard in the fourth round, like you're hoping, but you're not,

2023, not an offensive lineman drafted. And then this past year, they went to Amarius Mims. Yeah, I don't want to go on forever in this. I do think with offensive linemen, and this will read, go ahead and read the McShea report on this. I went into a long thing about offensive linemen. I'm not pushing this off, but like it was a really thoughtful long answer that I gave on offensive linemen. And I think to summarize it, there's only so many and every year, everyone knows it.

And so guys that we have, that we have mid-second round grades, they go in the first few picks and sometimes the last few first few picks of the second round and sometimes the last few picks of the first and guys that we think are late first you and i both agree kelvin banks just i can't fully i'm telling you man there's a chance he goes 10 to the bears 11 to san fran like 13 to miami they just god only makes so many human beings like think about it in your life how many times you walk down the street go to a restaurant go to a bar go out and hang out at the pto committee go hang out of this it's a sports complex with your kids whatever it is and you see a 300 pound human being that's 6 foot 5 6 foot 4 6 foot 5 6 foot 6 foot 6 foot 6 it's 300 pounds i have the good fortune

i have the good fortune of getting to hang out with mensch all the time he's no longer around 300 pounds he never hit 300 pounds but my point is i unless you played football at a high level or you work in this business you're not coming across many of those humans why do i ask you this i ask you this because okay then from that pool of people when occasionally you may be a bouncer at a club you've come by or like or a friend of a friend at the softball league got a we get that three yeah he's six three and a half i think three hundred and ten pounds how many of those guys are hungry i don't know many three hundred plus pound human beings who are hungry and i don't mean appetite i mean they got to three hundred plus pounds because they they like aren't the most driven human beings a lot of time so that

So now that pool of human beings declines. Then I've got to take hungry, competitive guys that are 300 pounds because they want to be and have worked to be. And then I got to find guys that have an unbelievable balance of violence, strength, nimble footwork, and the secret behind these offensive linemen that no one likes to talk about. They're the second smartest people in the, in the offensive. Yeah, right. You let me slip that in behind quarter months. It's just true.

They're probably the first, but that's fine. There's just not many humans. It's a small pool. And so every draft class, we look at five, six guys. We're like, those are the guys. And that's why I stare at Arionte Urstery from Minnesota. I'm like, I get it. He's not a complete product yet, but he's 6.6, 330 pounds.

You ran a 501. You know, so that can play into it with offensive linemen and interior defensive lineman, but with offensive linemen, they come off the board so damn fast that you find yourself reaching. Players that I have lower on the board

than a lot of other position players, but I know if I don't get them here, I'll see it in 2026. That's the premium positions, right? I mean, to simplify it, it's like saying, why because of my team draft, Jaden Daniels or Drake May? It's like, well, because you weren't picking second or third

the year those guys came out. Like you have to go get him. And that's oversimplifying it because offensive linemen don't go that fast. But it's the same church, different pew, right? Yeah. Kyle on X. What does Brock Bowers do so well that current draft prospects like Loveland and Warren can't do? What do they need to improve to get to his level and is it even a possibility that they can?

How far ahead of them was Bowers as a draft prospect? Pretty far. I guess. I mean, we had this discussion. I don't want to get into this because you're going to tell me they're not elite tight ends and we did all this before. I think Brock Bowers had, he wasn't used the same way, but every once in a while you would see like with him at the ball in his hands, he was as good as Tyler Warren, but more explosive with the ball in his hands. And Colson Loveland's really good at separating. Brock Bowers is that much better at separating. It's not that they don't have what he has. It's just that they're not at the same level as him at what he does. And those are the two things that really jump out to me is one. He separates like no other tight in. I think I've evaluated. Brock Bowers does. And he is outrageously good with the ball in his hands. A little bit different than the way Warren does it.

Warren's a little more power. Or Bowers is more explosive. Warren's in the Grunk category. Loveland's in the Bowers, Kelsey category. So it's hard to compare and contrast with Warren. With Bowers and Loveland, you can. And I agree with everything you've said. I do want to say this, underutilized in terms of how he was used.

And I don't mean just like they didn't have a good quarterback this past year. I mean, there's more in his tank in terms of what he can do in the NFL if deployed with, with routes, more routes down the field, all that. Same with Mason Taylor. No one's talking about that enough, by the way. I mean, Colson Loveland, same thing with Taylor. I mean, that's what I love to. Taylor.

There was a drag route. Yes. Underneath stuff, crossing. H-back release into the flat. It was, you know, same, same. Simple, simple, simple stuff. Yes. So I'm excited to see both of those guys blossom in the NFL.

I also think it's worth mentioning. Loveland, I look it up, but I'll have it for draft night. He either just turned 21 or he's turning 21 in the next month or so. He's a pup still. Yeah. I'm not saying he's going to be Brock Bowers, but I am telling you right now, I will be shocked. he stays healthy like all these guys and he's had some stuff.

That's the big thing with Bowers. Can he stay healthy? But I will be shocked. He turned 21 last week. Thank you, Dan. I knew it was something recent. I just looked that up. Just turned 21 last week, Colston Lovellwood.

I will be shocked if he's not like one of the top 5, 7 impact past catching tight ends in the NFL. I think that highly of him. And I'm also hearing, like if Warren goes 7, Lovelland could go 10 to Chicago. Yeah. There's some Chicago fans mad at you. Good. Chicago fans don't want the tight end, man. Okay, good. I'd be ecstatic if I were to get one of those two.

Call me in October. Right. Exactly. When your young quarterback who went through all the troubles he did last year, now has a coach that can cook up some schemes in the lab and utilize those two tight ends. And now we can be in 12 personnel. And now we're a headache. Okay.

Get out of here. you're Bears fans. I'm just playing. Now, I get it. I understand. I understand. I'll tell you who will be pissed off. Colts fans.

Yeah, there'll be a 14. All of a sudden. They were getting one of them. Yep. Marie. Thanks, Marie. I appreciate you subscribing. We don't have many females.

It's not because of Mench's looks. I can tell you that. Here we go. That beard. I see you, big boy. which team do you think is most likely to trade back into trade up into the first round for a quarterback? There are three teams that I think are legitimately flying around the country

in private jets with owners and general managers and head coaches and offensive coordinators and quarterback coaches right now. And they're creating scripts and they're figuring out who the receivers are going to be and they're sending these quarterbacks not named Cam Ward installs and they're testing their brain and they're taking them out to dinner and then they're they're having them come then they've already had them come to the facility and it's a a circus unlike anything I've ever seen in the NFL draft 10 to 12 days out that it kind of started and now here we are on the on the 18th six days before the draft

and they're still flying around that pilot for the Giants man he hasn't been home he's not he's got five days he's not going to see his family because the giant's got to get one last look they already saw dart that it was boulder for should or from boulder it's tuscaloosa from milro from tuscaloosa it's louisville who are the other two who are the other two teams let's go i know so the browns at 33 who have also had privates and workouts with all these guys the giants at 34 and the saints at 40 And it's all going to be fascinating to see because I don't think a second quarterback goes in the top 10. I think we get to pick 10.

And now it's like the phones are going to be buzzing, trying to figure out. If we are a sure-shadour team, which I think those two teams will be Cleveland and the Giants. Where do I have to move up to get them? And not only ahead of Pittsburgh at 21, the fuck are the Giants going to do. How far do I have to go up? Fuck are the Brown's going to do. How far do we have to go? Like, so that's going to be fascinating.

And then the Jackson Dart thing may start at 24, but it may be earlier. I don't know. And I think New Orleans is intriguing there. So those are three teams. I will be actually surprised if one of those three teams does not move up to go get at least one of those two guys. And it won't surprise me at all if two of those teams move up. What will surprise me is if a third team moves up to like pick 31, Kansas City, 32, Philly.

and I think those teams would be willing to move back, trust me, because they're getting the same player the next day is they would have gotten at 31 or 32 for Jalen Milrow, that one, or Tyler Shuck, who's getting a lot of late love too. What do you think, Mitch? The question was, who's most likely? So you went to the scenario.

New York Giants. The New York Giants. And then the Saints and then the Browns would be my answer. Sorry. Am I crazy for this, though? Doesn't it feel like the Saints might be the one who need to make the move more than any of these other teams. It feels like the Giants.

It feels like the Giants are the most likely. But I also, I mean, I look at that Saints team, and I'm thinking, I mean, with the shoulder issues with Derek Carr, what am I missing? They, they, I think they're going to have to make a move. They got to get somebody. And I think they'll end up trading back in. But again, I would agree with you. It seems like the Giants, probably because the situation with the front office and the coaching staff. You are so right about this when you say it.

Hope is great. for a fan base, man. Hope is great for an owner. You want to keep your job longer, bring in a young, talented quarterback and give them something you can hang your hat on in terms of just give me a year with this kid, wait until you see what we can do next year. And I think maybe because of that situation with the front office and the coaching staff that the Giants or maybe the team. Premium subscriber of the McShay report. Sam, Sam, I'm going to blow you off right here. I'm warning you in advance. His question is, it seems like quarterback is the only position where draft analysts discuss the value may be waiting a year to hopefully be in

position to draft someone like archmanning rather than reach for qb3 in a weaker draft class can you share what position groups may look strong in 2026 that would make teams reconsider reach for those positions in 2025 i have made it a made it a rule sam i will not say a word or think about i owe it to everyone in this audience i owe it to myself i owe it to my family i owe to Tate and Allaire, my two children. I owe it to you, Mesh. I owe it to Dan and Mark and Connor and Tucker and everyone else we work with. I have to be fully committed to this draft. And I've sat there on the set, the second night, not even in the third night sometimes with Kuiper asking me questions about next year's draft because he's already over this year. And I

promised myself, I would never be that guy. But I'm going to tell you this. Arch Manning, I don't think is going to be in the draft until 2027. I think this is part of of a plan that the manning family has sat back and they are in complete control they were to be complete control of elize's career they recognize that money's not an issue for the mannings even if it was an issue for the mannings he's making more money than most rookie court rookie player at texas so like the development and when he gets into the league so that he could be the next manning to do great things in the national football league is the most important thing to them and they have the luxury for that to be the only thing that matters and they are

we're going to develop him as properly as he should be. And I think it's wonderful. And I hope we don't seem to 2027 because I want to see the best version of Arch. Final question. Coach, oh, but I will also say this. The way too early mock draft comes out, I'll let you know the exact date. I'm not focused on it now. But it will come out shortly after this year's draft, Sam.

And I will then answer all those questions for you. Final question. Coach Bruce. I love a good coach checking in. on X. Yeah. Love the show and all the content I get access to for the next two years. Oh, you doubled down, you son of a gun. I like you, coach. Uh, you're going to let at your good, Mench talk this time. The McShay report is the real deal. I love it. Mensch, do you feel like We got some great questions, man. I really do. Good. You just say it. And, and, you know, like, uh,

Marissa said it a couple times. My daughter, Allaire, a layer, a layer, right. Yeah. My sweet daughter Aller, she asked me every time I'm going to do a show, would you please let Mench, I'm sorry, this is going to embarrass. She calls you Menchie. Everything's going to have any idea. Will you please let Menchie talk today?

You never let him talk that. I don't think she's watched this show, but she's heard the comments. Your job is a lot harder than mine, man. I don't know how you do it. I juggle where we're going to be in two topics and all of that stuff. So we're having fun. That's all I know. And this is a blast.

And this is our appreciation back to you. Great questions. Please check the, like, I'm not peddling it because I want subscribers and all that shit. It's not what I'm like I, I'm in the midst of this Holland's opus. I'm getting off this. I'm going to go grab a quick bite. Dan and I are going to jump back on the phone. Like, we're digging in.

I'm going to have a lot of fun with these. AFC and NFC mailbags. overwhelming overwhelming response to the questions is what's awesome and that's what we've gotten and so we're we're flushing it out hopefully we got to hopefully even if you didn't get your your question answered you got a lot of answers on the show this is it man this is it like next time i see you it's one week in draft week it's the week yeah sunday night

mention i land munches a busy busy man maybe i grab them maybe i can't i'm going to unload It's going to be a quick hitter, 25, 30 minutes. Here's what I'm hearing in the conversation. We'll be on for an hour. Then all week long in LA, beautiful studios, waving my arms. It's time to get out of here. I love you, Mench. I love everyone who's taking the time to be a part of this thing.

A hundred thousand people. We got to get 100K, man. Let's hit 100K together. Let's have a big first night of the draft, live stream, YouTube and Spotify. and I can't wait for next week. I can't wait to get to LA. It's exciting, man. Yeah.

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