The McShay Show - The Quarterback Deep Dive: Tiers, Traits, Comps, and Tape Study. Plus, Could the Giants Still Draft a QB After Signing Russell Wilson?

Episode Date: March 26, 2025

Welcome back to The McShay Show! Todd and Steve open by breaking down the Giants’ Russell Wilson signing and what the move could mean for New York’s draft plans. Then, they dive deep into Todd’s quarterback tiers and talk traits, tape, comps, red flags, and more. (0:00) Welcome to The McShay Show! (1:39) The Browns Meeting with Cam Ward (10:45) Russell Wilson Signs with the Giants (22:45) How will the Browns Draft at #2? (28:18) Why the #3 Pick is so Crucial for the Giants (43:17) Todd's QB Prospect Tiers (49:37) Deep Dive: Cam Ward [QB 1] (59:40) Deep Dive: Shedeur Sanders [QB 2] (1:12:45) Deep Dive: Jaxson Dart [QB 3] (1:23:42) Deep Dive: Tyler Shough [QB 4] (1:32:38) Deep Dive: Jalen Milroe [QB 5] (1:38:42) Deep Dive: Will Howard [QB 6] Sign up for The McShay Report to receive Todd’s Mock Draft 2.0 and other premium content throughout draft season. The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Host: Todd McShay Guest: Steve Muench Producers: Tucker Tashjian, Mark Panik, Conor Nevins, and Daniel Comer Social: Eduardo Ocampo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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It signals a few things, not just the decision, but the timing of the decision. And oh, by the way, the owner and general manager of the Cleveland Browns are in Miami still working out Cam Ward. And it just so happens today on the McShea Show. The position group series is quarterback. So it all ties together 29 days until the NFL draft met you good. I'm good, man. Play me some of those beats, tuck. Loyal follower of this show.

And we appreciate all of you that are on YouTube, Spotify, Apple, wherever you get your podcast. Show is coming out early this week. We didn't race to presses. The anxious guy and me, I was texting Connor and Dan and Tucker and everyone. Let's get on right away. Now let's take it. Let's let it breathe. Let's let it breathe for a minute.

Make some phone calls. Sit back and kind of evaluate the situation, what it could mean. And the more I sat around and kind of looked at it and evaluated the giant situation and looked at the quarterback class, which, by the way, mentioned I have, we've been studying for 15 months now. But in the last 48 hours, we have done as deep a dive as you can do, trying to wrap up. And we are now wrapped up with our quarterback evaluations. And we will get it to all the top quarterbacks in this class.

The details, the versus pressure, the 10 to 19 throws, the cutups, all of it. But I thought it was important to come on early. This show is now going to be released on Wednesday, instead of Thursday morning, as usual. Typically, we're on Mondays and Thursdays, right? But I thought it was important to come on early. to talk about this because when I'm calling people in the league, they're talking about it and everyone's curious. You know, we're all kind of gossips this time of year anyway.

And so true. And so let's get to it in a second. I do want to preface with the news, I don't want to say news broke. It's not like breaking news, but the story came out that Jimmy Haslam, the owner of the Cleveland Browns and Andrew Berry, his general manager, sitting at the number two spot in this year's draft. I want you to understand everyone now, everyone, reports coming out, Adam Schaefter, hey, you know, the Titans are closer than ever,

making Cam Ward their decision, their guy at number one overall, right? And I got news for you. I worked with Chefty for a long time. We're good friends. I got to know how he works. I don't want to say, like presume or overstep, but I got to know how he works. And he's not saying, you know, report from ESPN without him getting information from his own sources and also collaborating with other people inside the network. I thought it was interesting that he had that he had enough to say.

And yeah, I think NFL teams, I don't want to say use, but utilize the media in some circumstances. But essentially the report was they're closing in. Cam Ward's their guy for the Tennessee Titans. Mike Borgonzi, new general manager, they set the whole crew from the Tennessee Titans down to South Florida for the workout. Then he comes out after that and says that they're basically closing in on their guy.

If anyone still has any interest, it better be, like the price is going up. It better be something outrageous, right? Ricky Williams type stuff, wedding dress. Mike Dicka. I hope people get that reference. I hope so too. But I just, I thought it was fascinating that that comes out.

And listen, it was scheduled in advance. It's not like they're like, hey, we just talked to the Tennessee Titans and we're going to hang around another day. This isn't a surprise deal. This was scheduled. And Cam Ward obviously is going to accept. And we'll probably accept an offer to have a private workout. And what happens in these is you put in installs.

You kind of, you get to get a sense of how quickly a quarterback can understand what you're trying to do. You run your route tree. You put in some of your concepts. You get an opportunity, unlike at the pro day, which is scripted with his receivers and they've been working on this for a while. You get an opportunity to take him out of his comfort level, make them make throws that you're going to require in your offense, see the timing, the anticipation, how he's

utilizing the terminology and the verbiage, right? And all those things. So it's very common. Top quarterbacks do this with the teams that have a chance or have shown interest. and if they're not in the range you think you're going to be drafted, they can trade up to that range. You know, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, a lot of these guys have been traded up for.

So it's not a surprise and it doesn't change anything, but I did think it was interesting coming off of that report and kind of the general understanding that Tennessee is closing in on Cam War. Any thoughts to that? I mean, it's just, again, I see it as due diligence. Now, if something happens, we'll look back at this and say, wow, there was really something there. I think you still go and look.

I mean, they're going to have to give up, I think, a lot to go get him. I think it's only one pick, but I don't think it's going to be a lot to go get him because it sounds like the Titans are in love with the player. Now, is that a smokescreen or the Titans really just trying to draw the value up? Again, it's that time of year, right? Like, we're going to hear all of these kinds of things. It sounds to me, look, we're going to get into what we think of Cam Ward as a player. And if they view him the same way that we view him,

then I think the Tennessee Titans are taking Cam Ward and the Cleveland Browns are doing their due diligence in case something happens or they decide that they like him so much that they're going to make a Ricky Williams type deal, which, by the way, that would be crazy. That's a lot of him up. Yeah, I do think, I think sometimes we have to take a step back from all the noise and go back to our evaluation.

Cam Ward's a damn good quarterback. Cam Ward has the traits, if developed properly, to be a really good starting quarterback in the NFL. Cam Ward is not Caleb Williams coming out of USC. He's not Jaden Daniels coming out of LSU. He's not Drake May coming out of North Carolina. Okay. So you can love it. It can be two things.

We talk about this a lot. Like both things can be true. You can really, really like him and fall in love with him. But also stay. rational and say, well, we don't, he's not those three guys from a year ago. And so if someone were to offer something outrageous, of course, we're going to listen. Right. Whereas I think a year ago wouldn't have mattered the Chicago Bears what you offered. It wouldn't have mattered for the Washington commanders what you would have offered it to. It wouldn't have mattered for the

Patriots at three, I don't think. Right. That's the conviction. And I'm not, I don't know what their conviction level is. Okay? And only a few people in that building actually know at this point. Right. But it seems like they're closing in on a decision. And that part's interesting to me. Can you something else that drives me crazy is when,

when fans start to talk about their teams waiting to next year to get a different quarterback, you know, the next year's class is going to be so much better. And the year after that's going to be so good. And listen, we don't know. I can't tell you this enough. Jack, Cam Ward came. I want to remind everyone. Exactly.

Where was Jay Daniels a year before? Where was he? Third, fourth round. Cam Ward was coming out in this in the 2024 draft. Right. Right. Cam Ward told. Cam Ward told Christa Ball, the head coach, Mario Cristobal,

ball said, I'm actually, I'm going, I'm leaving for the NFL draft. Then he got right from the committee, the committee came back and I'll keep reminding people. I don't expect everyone to know this. the committee that it's you know people who are qualified who have been NFL scouts who evaluated they put together a committee which is i think is wonderful for the underclassman to give them a committee that they can submit their name and say where would i be drafted based off of what you know and kind of your contacts within the league and and what the committee does is they return that after a period of time of watching their tape and talking to people in the

league and they say first round grade second round grade or go back to school. Those are the only three options you'll get from the committee. No details beyond that. He got to get back to school. Yeah. And so we did. And he was wise.

And you know what? He's going to be $30 plus million richer for one more year and whatever NIL money he made at Miami last year. Yeah, there's also the flip side of that, though, where players that come into the year who you have a very high grade on or not you specifically, anyone has a high grade on, a team may have a high grade on, doesn't do as well as expected.

or doesn't decide to come out, decides to go back. And by the way, hopefully you're not picking this early again. So trying to predict where a quarterback class is going to be a year or two from now is a very difficult thing. And I think it's dangerous. And the second aspect of that is hopefully you're not picking early enough to get a good quarterback. So it's going to be tough for Tennessee to pass on Cam Ward. That's what I'm saying. All right.

All good points. All interesting. Let's get to what's really happened and how it, potentially can affect the draft. It's not even, I don't like the, well, this move happened. They're not, there's reasons why organizations make moves. So I like to analytically think about it, have a little bit of time like we took today, make a few calls, make sure I'm in, I'm not missing anything.

There's no blind spots. So after signing James Winston, shortly thereafter, the New York Giants, yesterday on Tuesday signed Russell Wilson. It's worth noting that the New York Giants now have two very, very experienced quarterbacks. Yes, on the back nine, you know, closing in on the clubhouse of their careers.

But they have all that experience for $15 million. And you go look at these $40, $50, $60, $70 million a year contracts being given out to quarterbacks now. And you're like, okay, that makes sense. It's nothing. It's a drop of a hat. It's you throwing down a $20 bill because you were hungry in between meals and went to a diner. You're going to get yelled at when you get home, right?

I mean, for an organization, that's what this is, comparatively speaking at that position. Okay. So there are a few different angles that I want to get to. But I think it's important to start out with what I do know. Okay. and what I have to believe is kind of the backlash of all of this. Okay. What I do know is that the Tennessee Titans are not going out and getting involved with

the Matthew Stafford sweepstakes, Aaron Rogers, Russell Wilson, Kirk Cousins, potential trade after the first night of the draft. He said he will not waive his no trade clause until after the first night of the draft. So they haven't, not only have they not been involved, there hasn't even been a rumor or speculation of involvement in any of those veteran quarterbacks. Why? Because we all believe that they're taking Cam Ward with the number one overall pick.

And it also, it's a reminder to me, like, it seems real simple. But all of these teams are going out and plugging in these veterans. And you're still hearing report, even the New York Jets. brought in Justin Fields, but they could still draft a quarterback at seven. Maybe they won't. Maybe they'll trade up into the late first. It leaves that window open of drafting a quarterback because it's the best deal in sports. A rookie contract on a quarterback is the best deal in sports, right?

Okay. So we're all in agreement of that. Tennessee has not brought in a veteran because in their minds, but they don't care about the other quarterbacks necessarily once they decided Cam Ward's their guy. But I think some teams, and we'll get to this in a little bit, I've come to the realization, maybe there's only one quarterback in this draft that I believe is ready to start in week one next season. So bringing in a veteran spending that money, allocating that money on a veteran quarterback,

when we could be utilizing that money on other positions like our offensive line that we loaded up on in free agency, it lines up, okay? So Tennessee at one, assuming it does not move out and takes Cam Ward has got their day one starter and hopefully for that organization, their future starter, right? Let's look at the possibility for the Giants now. What are those possibilities? What are they thinking? What's the mindset? Because they're in a weird spot, right?

Like Cleveland's sitting at two. And if they can't get up to one, it's their decision, nobody else is whether they want to take Shador Sanders or take the big. best players in this draft. Right. Abdul Carter, Travis Hunter, okay? The Giants aren't in that situation. So the Giants have to look at it differently than these other two organizations. They've got to evaluate the quarterbacks, but then they've got to also get the information,

like, is anyone going to be available to us? Or which one will there be all of that? Right. So I'm looking at it, right? I mentioned there's few things I want to get to, a few possibilities, a few angles that I'm looking at when I'm evaluating what the giants are thinking. And this is from experience, taking some time to analyze the whole thing, and some phone calls I made.

Okay. The first that we have to examine is maybe there's increased information or an increased level of concern if you're the giants. If you do want Shador, if you do think he's worth the number three overall pick, that both these quarterbacks are going to be gone at number two, at number three. Maybe Cam Ward goes one to Tennessee and maybe the Cleveland Browns select Shador Sanders, Colorado with the number two picked in the 2025 NFL draft, right? That's a possibility.

Then you're sitting there at number three and you've got the wonderful choice between, it's still a difficult choice between Abdul Carter, past rusher and Travis Hunter, the wide receiver cornerback. And we will revisit that in a little bit. So that's possibility number one. You don't even get the opportunity to decide whether you want your door to be your guy or not. Right. And then you're thinking Travis Hunter or Abdul Carter at that point, right?

Absolutely. No question about it. No question. And I think for Cleveland, it's Abdul Carter. I think for the Giants, it would be a little tougher decision given Kavon Tibado, Brian Burns, but still the most important position outside of quarter. and now we get this generational talent who could help us on both sides of the ball. It's a tougher call.

If they're staring at both of these guys, quarterback's off the table, it's a tougher decision, but we'll get back to that. Possibility two. Scenario two, if you will. I don't have inside information on this. I'll just be up front, okay? But I don't think, and I talked about this on Monday, bud. I don't think it's a coincidence.

I've been around this too much. I've been to 150 pro days. It's not a coincidence that this move happened just after Joe Shane, the general manager for the New York Giants, along with Mike Borganzi, the general manager of the Tennessee Titans, and that entire power-broken group from the Titans was there. Right.

They're all there in South Florida for the workout for Cam Ward and for Miami's Pro Day. I don't think it's, a coincidence that this all happened. That specifically that Russell Wilson was signed within hours, not days, hours after leaving that workout. Okay. So I don't know if it was casual or formal discussions, if it was insinuations, what

it was, but I have to believe, based off of experience, some phone calls, everything else, the timing of it lines up, right? Okay. What does it mean? Tell me what it means. It means that they know that the Tennessee Titans aren't moving out of that number one spot. Okay. That, hey, hey, Mike, is there anything that it would take? Where are you guys? Let us know so we can, let us know so we can move on. Professional courtesy. Let us know so we can move on with that. We're now waiting. Aaron Rogers is most likely going to Pittsburgh.

Cleveland doesn't have a quarterback. Don't make us. The dominoes are falling. Don't make us the team at the end of the song without a chair to sit in, right? Right. And to be clear, you don't know that no one's told you this. I've made it perfectly clear. This is what makes me.

I've been around this game too long to not think to kind of know without knowing. Right. That a hint, an insinuation, a formal and informal conversation, casual as it could have been, yeah, I think, I think. Or honest to God, just talking to them and seeing them like, who looks good, you know? Yeah, right, yeah. Whatever it is. They got the Joe Shane, the general manager for the New York Giants, had to have gotten this

strong feeling. And there's also reports, you know, coming out and people are talking. And so, like, however and however he received that information, I think it became perfectly clear. He went to the dance, he was hoping to dance with the girl. it became very clear that that girl had her eyes on somebody else. And now, now, you know, pick up the pieces and move on, okay? The writings on the wall.

And it's a feeling that the Giants have gotten kind of unfortunately used to the last couple of years, last year's draft, the year before, free agency, Matthew Stafford. It is not, this is not gone as planned, okay? So here's the thing. if the giants and and I think why do we know this? Because if the giants were holding out hope that they could move up and get Ward, it seems like Cleveland maybe is still holding out a little bit of that hope for some reason

because they sent Jim Jimmy or Jimmy Haslam sent himself his private jet and brought along Andrew Berry, the general manager with him to South Florida and not because the weather is great this time of year and it's nice to get out of Cleveland. It's because they still in their mind think there's some slimmer, you know, Glimber of hope, I should say. Sliver, glimmer. There's still a little bit of hope. The Giants, I don't think, too.

Because if not, the QB room would be, yeah, in their minds, the QB room would be Cam Ward, James Winston, and Tommy DeVito. Right? Yeah. If we're able to give away what we've got to give away to go up and get Cam Ward, we're not going to go spend even if it's, you know, pennies on the dollar for a quarterback and what it costs this day and age, we're not going to bring in the Russ show

if we think we got a chance to Cam Ward, right? And maybe we would anyway, but they know now that it's not going to be Ward. You don't do it if the room is going to be Cam Ward. Russell Wilson. And there's also has to be a little assurance, too, to Russell Wilson. But Cam Ward, Russell Wilson, James Winston, and Tommy DeVito.

Right. Not the DeVito, you know, anyway. But again, hours, not days after that pro day, they leave South Florida and the Giants promptly signed Russ. So in that scenario, right, this is the scenario of, in my opinion, the scenario of it's no chance we get up to one. Cam Ward's a Tennessee Titan. Yep.

Cleveland at number two, we're hearing things. It's can't, and I have heard some of this, not from Cleveland, but I've heard some of this. And I should remind everyone too, Andrew Barry's great at this. Andrew Barry is notorious in the league and his, is the inner circle is very tight. Information does not get out that that winds up being accurate when we look back on it. Yeah, that they don't want to get out. That they don't want to get out, right. So in this scenario, the Giants, Cam Ward's off the table, the Browns are not going quarterback. Here we go.

Unless it's Cam Ward. Unless it's Cam Ward. Unless it's Cam Ward. Jimmy's here. Andrew Berry's here. They're going to work them out tomorrow. But my intel is, and I'm speaking as if I'm the Giants, but I've heard some of the same intel and I'm not sure if it's real or not, that the Cleveland could go in a different direction. So now we got now we got a tough decision because we did because we just signed Russell Wilson.

We've got James Winston and we've got Tommy DeVito. So Shador sitting there at three. What this indicates, and I started this whole thing with like what is what do these things indicate? The timing of the signing indicated that to me. This indicates very clearly that there's one quarterback. in this class that teams are looking at and saying, yeah, he could be the day one starter. I don't need to bring in a veteran. And now the ward is off, now the ward is off the table for the giants.

Everyone from Chador to Jackson Dart to Tyler Shuck to Will Howard, Jalen Milroke, when you, or the list goes on, none of them is our, is a, is a, is it at the level or is prepared enough or is it there in his development for us to wear. games this year. Okay. Okay. So Shador at three then becomes, let's bring him in, one year deal with Russ, let him learn, put him in when he's ready. If we, remember, Russell Wilson was playing at a really high level. That offensive is humming early on for the Steelers. And then after about week 10, it went, right? Right. And I think, and I want to remind everyone of this. And it's not, it's not a kept secret here.

Joe and Brian enter the 2025 season as general manager and head coach respectively of the New York Giants and have the most pressure of any GM head coach tandem in the league to win. They do.

So signing Russell, signing Russell Wilson and James Winston helps them win games now. Drafting Shador Or if you're in the camp of, I still think that they're drafting Shador at three, I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm really not. What better way to not only win more games now and keep fans a little bit happier than they've been,

but then also have this beautiful gift that you're dangling off in the background with Shador Sanders in New York City and the mayor of family loving the, they want primetime games. be, you know, it's a little bit of like the Jerry Jones thing, very important to them, that they're a factor, that they're talked about and seen. So that's a strong possibility. That possibility number two is that Shador, they think Cleveland's not taking him. Shador's there at number three. We sign Russ to win games now. We bring in Shador to keep promise and hope and excitement for not only the mayor of family that's going to decide our employment in 2025, 25,

but also for our fan base and everything that goes into that, right? So that's that. Third possibility. And this is where I, this is where we get to work, you and I. Okay.

Third possibility is that Shador is available at number three. Giants just don't want them. And it's not because they don't think Shadur can be good in the future. The giants are looking at this. This is what, this is the option that I would recommend to Joe and Brian.

Shador is there at three. He's a really good player. Got a chance to develop and do a really good starter in the NFL. But if you're going to do what's best for this organization and you have a head coach who can develop quarterbacks, there's a couple other guys that the grades aren't that far off on, and I can do it with Abdul Carter. or with Travis Hunter.

Do you understand what I'm saying? This is what I would recommend to them. I like Shador a lot, but we'll get into our tier rankings and our grades. And I might be on an island. I've got identical grades on Shador, Sanders, and Jackson Dart. I think I do too, actually.

I got to check that, but I think I do too. That's a little primer as we get into the position group series today. Again, thank you, everyone who's watching. We appreciate your support. it, please click, download, Mensh does it better than me. We don't have time for it today. You know, we got to subscribe. We got to subscribe.

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all. Like this is the only place you can get these evaluations. And I promise you, I poured. Not that I need to sit here and beg and explain, but I poured into these things and some kind of some fun, different angles to all these quarterbacks. But this is my recommendation to Joe Shane and to Brian Davel. Okay. I hit the Google it, McShay report, subscribe, $4 this year, $36, double down for the next year.

Yes. Why wouldn't you mention? And Brian knows quarterbacks, man. Talk to him. I have a great appreciation for if you don't think this could be for the New York Giants. This could be the Nick Hesario. Do you remember Nick Hesst? Do you remember Nick Hesario?

It's like, what's you going to do? The organization wants this. They want the shiny toy. They want the quarterback. DJ Stroud. But the grades tell us you got to draft Will Anderson. Nick's like, shit, I'll get both of them. How about that?

Shut. everyone up. He was on the hot seat. Yeah, he did. But the Giants pick at at three, but they also pick at 34 second pick in the second round. I'm not saying it's the same deal. It's not a perfect comparison. But what's to say that the New York Giants couldn't sit at three. And if Abdul Carter goes to, they get Travis Hunter, generational talent, could be a future Hall of Famer does something no one's ever done can help you on both sides of the ball. You get that guy and then you get to work if you're Joe Shane. He's always on his phone. You ever been in the senior bowl? Combine, I don't think I've seen a man on his phone more than him.

So I'm sure he's made the calls and I'm sure he's already started to talk to teams about what would it take to move up to? And I would, here's my other recommendation, not that they would ask. I have conversations, but they're not going to ask me what to do. My recommendation would be you got five picks in the top 105. Find a way with this year's compensation, maybe mixing a second round pick next year, whatever it takes. Figure out where Dart's going to go and go take Jackson Dart. And we'll get in the quarterbacks, and I love Tyler Shuck. And I think he could be the steal from this year's class.

There is a difference between the two. I'm done with the tape evaluations. I'm done with the phone calls and talking to people in terms of the background. And I love them both. And we'll get into the specifics of all, but there's a difference between the two. Yeah, I agree. I have feelings about your scenarios. But, and I'll let you jump in after this.

And there's more I want to get to. I want you to think about this with the Giants need, offensive line. I mean, they plugged some cornerback stuff, Pulsing to Debo. They brought back Slayton, but they don't have special, they're missing special. It doesn't stop you from getting Travis Hunter. That does that get that can't stop. No, no, no. I'm talking about combo picks.

I'm telling you with their needs, what I think their needs get skewed because we're talking Abdul Carter or Travis Hunter. It's really not positions of desperate need. Right. If they're to go and you don't draft for need, but it's more likely that they draft an offensive tackle with that 30 fifth, 34th pick. right then it is go get another edge rusher unless one falls to him and then you're in love with them um my point is this if i tell you you get shadr sanders and let's say josh connerly offensive tackle

we both really like could go late first maybe he slips a couple spots in the second round you can get shader sanders or josh connerly or if you have a similar grade to me you get the same graded player in jackson dart and even if you don't even if it's a little bit of a gap between You get Jackson Dart with Travis Hunter. What do you take? Jackson Dart and Travis Hunter. And like no-brainer, right? No.

But it's, this is my, these are, these are part of my feelings. I think it's too good to be true. Let's talk about it, that, that scenario. Where do you have, let's get into, where do you think you have to trade up to make sure you get Jackson Dart? Good point. Early. It's going to be early. Yeah.

quite honestly quite honestly it it might be jacksonville at six if i but i but i don't know that it is and that's where joe shane's going to have to rely on on intel and in relationships and find out is it serious that the jets could still take a quarterback at seven jackson dart because i don't know that necessarily i i i the jets like jackson dart there's people in the building there's there's like there's but i don't think it's at seven i think i think there's several teams that are like where can i go get him i don't think you got to move to six if the saints take him at at nine you're like fine but i think then if they if he gets to 10 well hold on you're not fine then you've lost your that's the second piece of the puzzle so you're not fine right you're not fine you're not fun but

but i also like tyler shuck a whole hell of a lot I do too So you're saying The plan is to get Jackson Dart If you end up with Tyler Shuck and Travis Hunter We're okay No panic in the building We're going to be all right

That's still If I wind up with Travis Hunter and Jackson Dart Because I found out I got the proper intel And I'm Joe Shane I'm on my phone all the damn time Mm-hmm People in the league

Will at least get a chuckle out of that You're okay with it I wind up getting, if I wind up getting Jackson Dart, it's an absolute grand slam. Right. But if you end up getting Tyler Shuck, are you okay with it? Yeah. Okay. Even if you have to trade.

Because I got Travis. I got Travis Hunter. And I probably don't have to move up to Shuck. If I get a little nervous at the end, I want to get that fifth year option, yeah, I move up to 29, 30, 31, 32, so like that. So I'll say this. To prevent, to prevent conversations happening the night, uh, overnight. But remember in this scenario, Cleveland passed on on Chador and you passed on Chador.

So Chador's still out there too. A lot of moving pieces. So maybe, you know what I mean? It's just a couple things here. I think signing Wilson and Winston allows you to take the swing that you want to take. Because now you're in a position if this falls apart or doesn't go exactly the way you want it to go. You're still okay.

So you can take the swing. I get that. So I like that. Here's something that's really kind of scaring me about Chador with the way you're talking. And we didn't, you know, you'd mentioned this before. We hadn't really talked about it. Shador's, correct me if I'm wrong. We're getting into traits later on.

I wanted to say that like one of if not his greatest strengths is the way he processes, right? He processes really well. Unbelievably well. So here's what I'm worried about. That sounds, when I hear a quarterback process as well, he's accurate, short to intermediate. He's played, started for two seasons in Colorado, one of Jackson State. He's not NFL ready. like if he's not NFL ready

if he's not a guy that you think can start early I'm a little concerned I'm a little concerned like what I guess we'll get into this a little bit later yeah we can so I'm a little bit concerned now and if if that's what the Giants feel too then maybe he is maybe but you got to remember the Giants

first of all that that offense was kind of I don't want to say remedial but it was frustrating let's just leave it at that okay so when you watch that offense you think like there's that is true I agree with that all intelligence is like, I have no question he's, he's going to quickly, very quickly pick things up and be ready to, but there, but there's going to be a little bit, a little bit of a curve.

There are with all these guys, but there's going to be a little bit of a curve, right? And a lot of his stuff was like chaos. Like, I just watching his tape. Yeah. I agree. Fucking chaos, man. So, yeah, we'll get into this later. I will say this.

There is just a lot of moving pieces. I like taking the swing. Swing, take the swing, man. Go for it. Be aggressive. you're in the position where you may not have the job next year if you don't if you don't make something big happen here. So take the swing. Take Travis on her and then try to get Jackson Dart.

Do your damnness to make that happen. Be aggressive. You know, if you lose your job because this doesn't work out, you don't go back and say, well, I try to play it safe. You go back and say, I did everything in my power to make this happen. And if we get it and it works, then it's great. But if we don't or it doesn't work, then, you know, at least you can say, I'm, I'm, made the right move, I was aggressive. The Giants now don't have to make a desperate pick at the top of the draft.

Right. They don't. If their draft grade does not line up with Shador going at number three and they can't stomach passing on a Travis Hunter or an Abdul Carter, they now are in position where they do not have to make a desperate position. That's the most important thing that comes out of this. They've put themselves in a good spot, okay? They've got five picks in the top 105.

They don't have to make a desperate pick at three. That's like that if we bottom line it, that's where they now are. Okay. Agreed. Two more things I think you need to take in consideration with all of this. And I'll leave it at these final two things. Okay. The first is and it's part of why my recommendation to Joe and Brian is pass at three, take the best player.

If it's not the best player in the draft, it's the second best player in the draft. It's the two elite guys, take one of them. It's just the smart football. decision. If you don't have a grade that's like and I think the worst the football world is saying cam could be a starter day one. The rest of these guys excited about a few of them, but not sure like it's right now instant impact. We're ready to we're not. I think there's a sense that we're not going to get and the giants just told us the giants flat out just told us, mensch by signing Russell Wilson that they don't think that this this is the next C.J.

Stroud or Jaden Daniels, that second quarterback taken. I'm not saying they're looking at it like Dune's Day, but I want to, I want to remind Oh, they're being smart stuff. I want to remind people of these two things. Go back just a few years ago. What was it, 2021? Trevor Lawrence was sitting at one, okay? Mm-hmm.

Everyone loved Trevor Lawrence. there was some intrigue. These other guys are really good, but all of a sudden, we knew at the time they're getting pushed up the board. Zach Wilson goes two to the Jets. Trey Lance goes three. Justin Fields goes 11

to the 49ers and Bears respectively, and then the Patriots at 15, draft Mac Jones, who we kind of thought was going to San Francisco earlier. How did that work out? It hasn't been great. It didn't go that well. More applicable to this.

Go back to that. to 2011. I know we're going back a while, but like you've got to learn from history. Okay. Cam Newton's the number one overall pick. Then we're like, huh, are these other guys?

I didn't like Jake Locker. Kind of like Bordels. Thought it was through two rich where Bordels went. Locker goes eight. You mean Gabbard? Yeah, yeah. Blaine Gabbard. Sorry.

Blaine Gabbard. Jake Locker goes eight. Blaine Gabbard goes 10. Christian Ponder went 12. there was a patient team that kind of sat back at quarterbackers at the end of there and then saw him fall at 35 overall andy dalton goes Kaepernick a pick later yeah okay yes right yeah just a little warning it's my my warning to the new york giants get get what you can get get the secure

get the get what you know is going to be great You can say injury for all 256 players who were going to be drafted. All 33 of them that were at the combine. You can say, well, if you gets injured, yes, take injury out of it. The two players that have the best potential to be superstars in the NFL in this year's class, Abdul Carter and Travis Hunter. If you can get one of them, get them. And maybe you'll have Andy Dalton and not Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbard.

Okay, that would be my advice. The last thing I'll leave you with, ain't none of this matter, Munch, if the guy who writes the checks and owns the thing. Right. If the mayor of family, which is obsessed, and this is why I brought it up earlier, and I'm circling back and finishing with this, because we can make all the football decisions we want. We can grade the player, stack the board, have the vertical board, the horizontal board. we can have scouts and psychologists and medical teams and super scouts and then super scouts bosses

the the college coordinators we can have the personnel director we can have the general manager with 150 years of combined experience all say we got to take abdul or we got to take Travis Hunter at three. And one guy can walk in that room and say, we're taking Chador. He's going to sell tickets. The jersey sales are going to be out of this fucking world. New York City, big lights. We're going to get on Monday night.

We're going to get some primetime games. I don't care what you say. We're taking Chador. So that would put an end to it. Yeah. It's good to be king. I will say this. I got news for you.

Coach Prime is probably talking to the guy who's making that decision and not the guy who has to get clearance to make the decision. Right. Yeah. Good luck draft and Shador are not playing them in New York, by the way. Can you imagine if Russell Wilson starts 0 and 2? I mean, even if he plays that right. They start 0 and 2.

Can you imagine trying to keep Shador on the bench in that market? Everyone has a plan to develop the rookie quarterback. Right. Until the plan goes out of the wind. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. I mean, Drake May was never going to play this year.

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Just more time for what matters most to you. visit walmart.com to order now promotion valid for first express delivery order 50 minimum subject to availability restrictions apply tuck let's throw up the tears let's just dive into this thing quarterbacks today it's not we don't have two positions of tight ends and wide receivers went on forever we don't have to go on forever today here's my quarterback tears i'm breaking it here and if you don't see it here it's in the mickshay report tomorrow with a lot of in detail, like in-depth stuff, man. I'm actually, you know what? You want the God's honest truth? I'm so proud of it. Like, it's, you know, when you put in that much work,

I feel great about it and I hope people enjoy it and appreciate it. Google the McShay report and you can get more in detail stuff there on all of these quarterbacks. But we're going to dive in now. Take a look at this. Tier one, elite prospect should be day one starters project as future all pro caliber players. Got none of them in this class. Caleb William and purposely brought in last year's phenomenal class and all the names that came off the board, including six in the first 12 picks, broke a record. Caleb Williams, Jaden Daniels, Drake, May, you see the 96, 96, 95. It was that tight.

Caleb and Jaden identical grades. I didn't have the Cuyans, the onions, munch to put him up ahead of Caleb, and we'll see, we'll see. when you know Caleb certainly is in a position now with Ben Johnson and the moves they've made to succeed. If it doesn't work now, it was never going to work. Tier two.

Interesting one. J.J. McCarthy, we have nothing to go off of. To say that was a great decision or a poor decision, it was a great grade Todd or it was a terrible grade Todd. But I've got him and Cam Ward right there at 92s. I should mention. And I wrote up these things and I've had them for 22 years, I think. And I keep tweaking them a little bit because I think it's important.

Our grading system was very similar. I always call it the Raven system, like the 6.1, the 6.3, you know, and a lot of teams in the league utilize that. They don't grade of a 6.3 is equivalent to a late first round. They grade off of what's the player going to be. And we had that Gary Horton, who started us in this business, my mentor was you know munch worked with him for for many many a year help both of us get into this and god you know god rest his soul just just lost gary in the last couple years and miss him but gary

worked in the league gary worked for bill bellichick gary worked at the cleveland browns he worked for the tampa bay buccaneers he worked in college football for a long time when he started this the war room back in the day which eventually we were worked we had 16 NFL teams that were clients. Then the sporting news came in and gave us a media contract because we realized we couldn't pay bills with just the 16 NFL teams paying us some scratch. And then it went from sporting news to ESPN. And then when we got to ESPN, our grading system, which was similar to that of,

I call the Ravens, because our guys with the Ravens, you know, DeCosta, we joked about it. You know, it's like all of my friends, all my friends in the league when I was first starting out in this business were with the Ravens. Phil Savage, Joe Douglas, we played college ball with. Andy Weiddle got to know him through Joe, hired Kevin because of Andy Whitel in my relationship. And Kevin now is with the Ravens. Duane Jones is our wide receiver, 7-Eleven, always open, love the man. He's worked all over the league, worked with the Ravens.

So, like, very familiar with that system. And that system's all about what he can be at the next. next level, okay? Right. And so it's not, but when we got to ESPN, they said, well, we want out of 100. I think it's relatable for fans. And so we had to adjust it. And that's why we were the 90s, equate to first round, but within there, there are tears. And then the 80s, quate to second round, but there are tiers within the 80s and 70s and so on and so forth. Okay. So you look at those those tiers and you see off the top, there's no one in that elite tier, but in that second tier is Kim Ward. Throw it back up for a second time. For those who aren't watching, I want to,

to be able to read exactly what we've written. Tier three, immediate contributors who should quickly develop into starting caliber players considered quality values in the bottom half of round one in any given draft class. That's the grade I had on Michael Pennix Jr. but he's a quarterback. He gets pushed up. The immediate contributors part is more so for all the other positions. You find a way whether it's nickel corner or third receiver and eventually should elevate and do a good starting player. But for quarterbacks, it's, yeah, we know you're going to be the starter eventually. That's what we're banking on.

But right now it's time to sit and watch. But eventually we expect you to be a pretty high-level starting quarterback in the sleep. And that's where I had Michael Pennix. It's where I had Bone Knicks. That's where I also have Schaedor Sanders at a 90-grade. Identical grades, Knicks, Pennix, Sanders, and Jackson, Dart. Okay? And then tier four, five, and six.

Tier four is grade out as plus future NFL starters at minimum. Typically not higher due to their underdevelopment or other red flags. For Tyler Shuck at an 88, the red flags are age, me 25 year old rookie and three broken bones. I don't worry about it, not degenerative, but the durability and the age are little minor red flags. could be major for some teams. But he's in that by himself. Then we get to tier six, skip over five, none last year, none this year. That's the tier where Spencer Rattler was taken.

Had a 71 grade on him. Got three guys graded higher than I did Rattler. And I liked Rattler. Didn't like the results this year. But, you know, I liked him in what I thought he was going to be. Let's take him later, try to develop him. Maybe he got forced in early. But I've got Will Howard.

I've got, yes, I've got Will Howard. After finishing up my evaluations, we'll get into all of it. Will Howard at 79, Milrow at 76, the wild card of the group. I've said it since October. And then Quinn Ewers at 72, all graded out higher than Spencer Ravitt. All right. That's the backdrop, Mitch. All right.

Pam Ward, take it wherever you want to go. I need to take a sip and catch my breath. Here, I'll start with the negative so I can end with the positives. Some of the decision-making drives me nuts. He's got to take better care of the football in terms of the – he put it on the ground a little bit too much for me. He will make decisions and points in the game that he doesn't need to force plays and he does at times. That's the negative. The positive is I trust him with the game on the line under the brightest lights.

I think this kid's got the mentality – and this is really one of the most important things for a quarterback. I think he's got the mentality to go out and make a play and win a football game. for your team and then you look at the physical skills arm strength velocity his ability to zip the ball his ability to change arm angles he is not an elite athlete but he's a very good athlete who can extend plays he can rush for first downs he can scramble first downs I think he's accurate he has a it's just kind of a unique trait for him where his ability to he doesn't do it unnecessarily but he has ability to move or drift to his left and throw back over towards the

middle. And he's, I don't know what it is about it, man, but he's super accurate. And he, and he gets great zip on all of those passes. And I mean, if you look at his highlight real, you're going to see a few of those plays right away. So I think when you're looking at the, when you look at his mental toughness, I think, again, there's no one I trust in this class more with the game on a line to Cam Ward. And then you look at the physical tools. And that's why he's where he's at. I think one of Cam Ward's unique, Cam Ward's. Canmore, The court has a few unique traits. That's why he's in the position.

He's put himself in the position that he's put himself in. And that's why he's viewed by many, the vast majority, I'd say, in the league as, as the number one quarterback in this class. And that's why the Tennessee Titans aren't going out. And that system doesn't perfectly translate. He's been a version of the air raid from incarnate word to Washington State for two years to Miami this past year. But it's advanced.

The level of system has advanced and his level of play. has advanced each and every year, okay? He's got a handful of unique traits. I think one of them is how quickly he gets the ball out. When he's when he's identified and committed where he's going to go and throw the football, it's out in a freaking flash. If you watch on the plays where it is married up, the timing of the route marries up to the top of his drop, slams his right foot into the ground and throws.

He's an absolute assassin. The hard part can be with Cam Ward is there's so much other stuff, right? There's there is some drifting. There's chilling in the pocket and like kind of moving around. Sometimes it's like, does you know we're actually in a game or do you think we're like in 7 and 7 drill? And it's kind of funny, you know, like everyone the league kind of laughs about it. you know but when you when you study the plays where it lines up with what he's going to have to do in the league and i think this is a lot like like my homes coming out it was like there's a lot

of other like crazy wild stuff it's an adventure i told i called it back in october november when we first started talking to cam ward it was like watching an electrical store you get done with the tape and you're like i got like i need a minute to process what i just saw that was a lot going on because it's not like, you know, traditional three, five, seven step drops on time with rhythm and, you know, but I want to reiterate and I think that this is what NFL teams are seeing that is so,

so exciting about him. When you get him in those on-schedual situations and he knows where he's going at the top of his drop, my goodness, he will tear your heart out. Okay. Another strength I see in his game. Sneaky twitchy. I didn't see it at first because there's a lot of kind of hanging around and like two feet on the ground

and not bought like but he's sneaky twitchy and there's the other thing and I think it's the big separator between he and in shador in this regard and we'll get to shador in a minute but shedore's instincts and processing are phenomenal as a passer in the passing game Shador's instincts and awareness in the pocket, borderline suck. He's going to get himself killed. I'm telling you, it's a major concern.

This guy, on the other hand, who doesn't, he doesn't, he's not at the processing level. Processes, really good instincts. The process,

if we're to rank processors, it's truly, it's Shadour and Will Howard. Yeah, I would agree with that. Yeah. The best processors are processors in this class are Shador and Will Howard. They look very different. And I'll say this.

And we'll get to Will Howard in a little bit. If you go off of every game since Michigan, he's the best processor in this class. But that's for a later conversation. With Cam, his instincts in the pocket, they don't get enough attention. If you really go back and watch and just watch for this, How many times is the guy flashing late? It looks like he's just kind of hanging out, and he's not all that concern. But when he's and he'll sense it behind, it's like the Larry Bird stuff.

He's got eyes in the back of his head, right? He's like in that, and that allows him as a plus athlete, he's sneaky twitchy, not fast, not a dangerous runner, but, but mobile enough. And can create and can absolutely pick up first down a lot more mobile than. than Shador, but not a, not like a dangerous runner. No one's in the Mill Road discussion, but I think Jackson darts a better runner than Cam Ward. I agree.

I think, I think Shuck when he, when he's going on a straight line and takes off is a better runner, okay? Okay. But his, his ability to extend play. So when he's on time and in rhythm, he's, he's an assassin. When he's not, and that's more often than not his tape, his instincts, allow him that feel that's when you when you ask about mahomes and you watch him and you're like this thing's a mess what's going on why is he like running backwards running forwards sideways

backpedaling you have to have unbelievable instincts to get away with it and i think he has those uncanny ability to make accurate throws from a variety of arm angles yeah and off and off balance which you touched on and the thing that i don't think is getting enough attention i hear people mention it, but I think it's like, it is a huge factor. When I'm, if I'm Mike Borgonzi and I'm the staff for the Tennessee Titans, I got to know the human being. I got to know the guy. And yeah, there's some noise and you'll hear about it. I'm sure as we get closer to the draft and reports will come out, the dad's involved. And teams will view that differently. It would be something that comes up. But I, what's coming in this building, you want to see Mario Cristobal,

it melt. It's bringing in a transfer, right? From Washington stage, we started an incarnate word who comes in and changes the absolute culture of this entire organization, if you will. The entire program changed when he walked in that door. His commitment to excellence is what it needs to be to be elite. His work ethic, it's not just the work ethic. It's the demand he puts on you. Right. As a teammate, that stuff's real. That stuff matters.

And I think that that's a big part of why he's going to be the number one overall pick. He's a culture-changing type of leader with an elite release quickness, very strong arm, good overall accuracy as a passer, can drill some stuff in and become even better. His decision-making is overly aggressive at times. It's questionable at times. you want to rip your hair out with some of the stuff he does. Okay. Won't get away within the NFL.

Same with Patrick Mahomes coming out. Same with Josh Allen coming out. I promise you. The instincts, the Twitch, the off platform, the ability to create magic. Is that additional stuff? I think we've done a good job of talking about this on this show too. And I want to just harp on it and say it again. Played a lot of ball.

He's played a lot of ball. He's got a lot of experience. He's been in a lot of different situations. He's been with different coordinators, different schemes, you know, that stuff, I think, in the long run helps a quarterback. Yep. And we'll get to that with Tyler Shuck. And the maturation and the development and to everyone telling you, Tom Brady still's pissed off. Because it helps him go to get out of bed every morning and go do that insane regiment. And Cam Moore's not going to be pissed off about where he's drafted, but he's pissed off about the fact that he was not a higher star recruit. that he had to start an incarnate word that no one believed in him. And then he went to Washington State, but didn't you go to a big time program.

And then he went to and he's done some losing and he's done some winning and he's gotten better. I like that about him. I like that backdrop. All right. Shador Sanders. Throw it out to me. Are you going to get you going to get into it? No, I'm pausing on purpose for effect.

You threw me off. I don't know. It gets everyone's attention. If you're driving in the car, you're like, did McShay just die? I mean, can I ask you a question? Yes, please. How much does Jador's supporting cast, the offensive line? The supporting cast, you know, I know he had Travis Hunter,

and he had some decent, smaller receivers that, you know, wanted to get drafted late. But I'm really talking about that past production. The offense that he played in, how much does that muddy the, the evaluation for you. Well, I wrote in my evaluation. You ready? It's important to note a couple things.

One, he was pressured 236 times in 2024, significantly more than Cam Ward with 161, Dart with 161, and Tyler Shuck with 157. We'll get to the pressure grades and snaps in a little bit. Okay. That's number one. That's a fact. And what's the waterfall effect of that, though?

Does that affect, is, the way he moves in the pocket and the way that he holds on to the ball. Could, you know. Yeah. Okay. He could at times. But we've been doing this long enough. We know the difference between when it's his fault and when it's the offensive lines fault. And there are, I don't want to say hundreds.

There's more than 100. There's enough. There's enough. Where it's absolutely positively the offensive lines fault. And there are dozens of times. Yeah, just for the record, I agree. But it's on Shador. But I hear a lot of my followers and our followers who want to say,

oh, you know, it's because of the offense line. You didn't have the offensive line. And some of that's true. That is, there is some merit to that argument. It's also true that there are times he has to get rid of the ball quicker and he has to be better with avoiding hits and all of that stuff too. I never put excuses in a player's evaluation. I don't consider this an excuse. I consider this.

When I, when I'm actually writing this in my evaluation that I'm going to have printed into a book and is going to be my constitution for the, for the NFPA. NFL draft and help as I walk through and do a hundred interviews and we do all of our shows and we do all of our I do all the McShay reports I put it in there because it's important to know and it's not an excuse it's just the reality of the situation the reality of the situation is he's pressured 236 times everybody else was in that 230 to I mean 130 to 180 range in this class the second thing that I put in here he was surrounded by a highly competent wide receiver crew he really was yeah they're not they're not all going to be high draft picks but when you have Travis hunter as your primary and then you also have other guys who were invited to the combine

only 333 human beings get invited to the combine sure in year two of the two of his other receivers jimmy horn junior and lejante wester were invited the combine and the third one went to the east west shrine game and will shepherd who was very productive and helpful too not many guys in the league have three receivers who are going to beat the combine one who's going to be a top four pick presumably and four guys that were all in the all-star circuit slash combats and get ready for the NFL draft. Okay. That's fair.

And veteran guys who have been around and played ball and played ball with him. Competent group. But my however is Colorado's passing concepts, structure and spacing were elementary to put it kindly at times, which frequently led. And this is the most important part I want people to hear. that receiver is running in the same area, no answers to the test with hot routes. It put him in a position where there wasn't an out.

Right. It was either my primary gets open or else, I'm, I'm screwed, man. Yeah. And I saw that a lot where he wanted something and it just wasn't there. Okay. So that's kind of the backdrop with this.

Here's what I do know. Top traits for Shador Sanders. Fastest, fastest processor and best pure passer in this class. Agreed. And I'm going after, I'm going to the whole career if we're comparing to Will Howard. We'll get to Howard later.

But the fastest, the reason why we're talking about him as a potential top three pick, and at worst case falling a little bit in the first round, there's a reason why. Right. He's going to go ahead of Jackson Dart. He's going to go ahead of Tyler Schock and Quinn Ewers and Jalen Milrow and all these other guys. Why?

Well, he doesn't have a big arm. Okay? He doesn't have a bad arm, though. He doesn't, but he doesn't have a big arm. So that's not a plus for him in the evaluation. And he's, and he is stiffy enough and can extend and has some short area quickness, but he's not a threat as a runner. So why is it that this guy who's six one and a half, two hundred and twelve pounds,

without a huge arm and without. Out great mobility. Why is he getting drafted ahead of all those guys? Why is he being talked about as a first round pick? Why would he maybe be the Browns picket two or the Giants picket three? Is it his dad? Is it nepotism? No.

No. It's people's jobs and families on the line. Right. Get out of here with that shit. Get out of here. So it's because he's the fastest processor and the best pure passer in this class. One of his unique traits truly is his accuracy on the run. I haven't seen many guys.

There's some, not many guys who are more deadly accurate from these ungodly positions of off balance, running full sprints, like insane. Yep. That threw earlier in the year when he was rolling to his left and threw a dart down the seam and got smoked right after it. I was like, that's not a lot of guys are going to make that play. That brings me to another thing, titanium tough.

It's so tough. It's like, because you think about the rich kid with the dad who played in the NFL and the commercials and the jewelry and the diamonds and the NIL deals and all that stuff, you would presume if you didn't spend the time watching the tape, he's kind of, he's a finesse guy, he's flashy. Like, now this guy is an absolute dog, tough his nails in there getting blasted. Blasted when he shouldn't. Got to learn to be smarter and protect himself and get the ball out and can't hold on. But like, and then it's not just the titanium tough physically. It's the mentally. Let me tell you this, Mitch.

First of all, we know this, whether we're the Mara family that was going to pull the trigger on him at number three or the Cleveland Browns at number two or if he slides a little bit later in the first. We know no moment is too big for this guy. He was built for this. Yeah. He's been around this. His dad is the center of attention. They're always in the spotlight. There's just nothing.

And it shows on the field. And I say that because in the two-minute drill, Sanders holds a 92.3 passing grade against power four competition. That was from PFF, right? According to their rankings. And again, like, I don't go off of, like, I will reference them. They're good indicators. Then I go watch the tape.

And I either say, that doesn't apply for what, we're doing here or I say yeah that that matches up with what I'm seeing it matches up with what I'm seeing when the moment's huge when they need him he's delivering it was the highest all-time grade in the two-minute drill that PFF's ever given up doesn't surprise me yep yeah didn't know that number does not surprise me that's the why those are the why the fast processing the best pure passer the way he layers the ball leading receivers open the touch the timing he just has an innate sense he's instinctive as a passer Throwing on the run is excellent. All of those things.

Titanium tough. Two minute drills. Don't forget what they did for that program. I say they. I mean, I know Coach Prime, and he's a big deal. And Travis Hunter is a big part of that. But Chador is as big a part of that turnaround for Colorado as anyone else in that building. It's a big deal to go in there and turn that program.

The biggest. The biggest reason. The biggest reason. He's a guy who's gone into a place that's lost a lot of games and turned it around. Now, we've got to. Good with the bad. Why is it that there are several teams in the league that have second round grades on him? Why is it that if you pulled the league that vast majority would have a later first to early second round grade on store?

Okay. We talked about doesn't have elite arm, not a threat as a runner. I don't think those are necessarily like it's part of the equation. It's not all. I mentioned this. Well, he has outstanding instincts as a passer. Pocket awareness at times is frightening. It's way too many on the same.

Super Bowl winning quarterback texted me out of the blue. Scared to death. Like, this kid can't hold up in the league if he doesn't change this. Got to know where the pressure is coming from. Got to sense it better. Got to get the ball out. He's not going to survive the punishment. And yes, the quarterbacks are protected.

It's different from that day and age. Okay. But he's got to learn to trust the pocket. That's my biggest note. Shador has toler and he didn't. And maybe that does fall into, and it probably does fall into what you were saying, Munch. And you can fix it,

but that doesn't mean you will fix it. So it's all part of it. I think you can fix it. It does it, again, does not mean that you're just going to come in and day one and be like, stop doing that, sure, and then he's going to stop doing it. It's a process.

Some guys can do it and some guys can't. It's got to be factored into the entire evaluation. Patrick Mahomes is the greatest example of a quarterback who did the stuff that he did. the drifting mechanics all over the place, although his mechanics are fine. Like he does a really good job of getting his feet back and all in balance and throws and all that. But the scariest one is the most recent one. That's Caleb Williams, because I talked to people in the NFL, and I've mentioned it on our show before.

Caleb Williams is the one that scares people. Because as a rookie, all the stuff that we were worried about and the people who were coming out and said, I'm not sold on Caleb, we're saying, it's the hero ball holding on too long, drifting, not taking the easy money, going for broke. And I see a lot of that on Chador's tape. Now, is it because of the protection or is it just because that's how he plays ball and he's going to have major and major adjustments to make? That's what teams are.

That's why they're bringing him in. And they're doing the 30 visits with him. That's why they're flying to Colorado to do private workouts. They're trying to drill in. Like, you get this, right? You've been around ball your whole life. You know you can't do this, right? How are we going to what's the process that's why they're all meeting with it okay right

but everyone across the board who's brought up the Caleb williams example to me has has followed it with and he's a fraction of the athlete and he doesn't have the arm that Caleb has those two things get you out of trouble he doesn't have those things the last thing i'll say with with with shador that that is it's factored into the evaluation ball security is an absolute issue and it plays into the lack of protection, and it plays into all this stuff we just mentioned, unnecessarily putting himself in danger, but he holds onto the ball too long at times

when he doesn't need to do it, that pick six against Nebraska down the right side line was a perfect example, an extra pump, why extra pump, you're at the top of your drop, get it out and ready. He does that a lot too, by the way.

That's not a one-time thing. He does like a pat in a, it messes up his timing, yeah. It's greedy sometimes. It can be a count, attributed to greed as a quarterback. We like to call it greedy, right? The next thing on the list of ball security is an issue.

Ten interceptions, six fumbles in 2024. That's at Colorado playing Big 12. Yeah. Fails to see linebackers dropping underneath the times. Is that the 6014? Is that 6.1.5? Right. Because I see it sometimes.

Flat out. Like I just watched the two plays again yesterday. Interception. First play at Utah. game. And then interception with, um, in the first quarter of UCF, the third play, actually, 14, 25 left. Both of them, same deal, man, didn't see the linebacker coming underneath. Is that the height? Yeah. And then third thing is just, and I wrote this in my notes. I wrote this in my notes early in the season when he hadn't fumbled all this much. Reckless with the way he carries the

football too often as a runner and maneuvering inside the pocket. So that's the full deal on Shador. Jackson Dart. Here we go. I went through and I watched all 160. I watched 1,160 something snaps yesterday, much. Cam Ward, throw up, let's throw up the pressure stuff because this is where it's applicable. These are PFF's pressure grades. I actually didn't agree with some of them.

I didn't think Shador, quite honestly, was as good under pressure. And I'm not sure exactly what goes into their grade to be. And I should probably look that up. like all the factors is it you know big plays of touchdowns that offset certain things um but jackson dart under pressure his tape and i watched 161 plays of cam war 236 of chador 161 of dart shuck was 157 milro 136 Howard 130 quen you was 146 Kyle mccourt 186 and 144 of gabriel day on Tuesday. I finished a 1037, I think it was last night. I started first thing in the morning. I watched every single one of their pressure throws. And it's not the whole evaluation. I've done

all the games. I wanted to go back and specifically watch that because it's what I've done in the past. And it helps to reframe and see. And it's a really good apples to apples comparison, even though it's not all the plays are made equal. And Sanders 236 is not identical to darts 161. But I'm telling you Jackson Dart. Here's my whole deal with him. You ready? His versus pressure tape was in lightning. Lightning.

This is what I wrote. Hang's tough, difficult throws with the defender sitting him. Ball placement under pressure is remarkable at times. He's got some Josh Allen in his game, man. He's got some Josh Allen light stuff. I know he's 6'2, 223 pounds. He's not as fast probably. He's not as strong.

He's not going to break his, but I'm telling you that, there's a sense when you watch Josh Allen and he doesn't have the arm. Who's the strong as Josh Allen? You know what I mean? Like no one's that strong. And no one has the arm. I get. So I'm saying he's light.

I get it. Right. But there's why I'm saying that is there's this like suddenness with pressure is coming. And the ability, it jumped out over and over on tape. Pressure's coming. It's not. Oh, shit. We're like eyes down.

And a lot of people don't, a lot of quarterbacks don't do that now. But it's like, okay. And then now, now, now let's extend. and under control nothing there's no sense of panic ever in his game yeah i would agree with that three terrible plays at the end of the year with those panic though or is that him just trying to make a play i didn't feel like i we can get into we we can get in okay ball placement's very good there's there's actually room for improvement with more consistency with this footwork but i think drilling at home correctable help you know a lot of drops on tape of surprise a lot of drops on tape from all this like a lot

a lot. It stood out more so than any other quarterback in this class, not making excuses just saying like the numbers, the numbers are really good. You saw that 69 grade for pressure grades from PFF, best in the class by a decent amount to. Shador was 65 and everyone else is 62 and below. Dog competitor, man,

tucks the ball and runs, and he does it when they need him. LSU game was impressive. Stats were underwhelming, which showed really good accuracy in decisions versus South Carolina. Georgia tape was impressed me because he got his ass knocked out of the game, came back in. It was in the rain. He just kept balling and making plays. And when they needed runs in that game, he made them.

Florida. The game he's going to be remembered forever. It was two of the most horrible decisions at the end of a game. You can imagine, you actually wound up making three interceptions at the end. Only two of them counted. Brutal meltdown. I've said it before. I don't know if he was, I'm not saying he was concussed.

Woozy, exhausted. But as the kids say, my son says all the time, Dad, I carried. Tate, I don't want to hear about you carrying. Were you a good teammate? But, but, papa, papa. He carried in that game. He carried that Ole Miss team.

And so, yeah, everyone said, both the Florida tape, yeah, but did you watch the first three and a half quarters? Some of the throws he makes on that tape, man. We said at the time, we're expressive. So if he's great under pressure, he's bigger than Shador. He's 223 pounds. His throws are more like, I don't know, the stuff. It looked.

When Shadur's drifting right and left and drifting back, he's climbing and extending. And he's doing it and everything's moving the way it does in the NFL. It's climbed to go, calm, under pressure, moving, moving, moving, moving. you know, and then take off and run when I got to. Also know the moments too. Big time runs against that LSU, I think it was LSU. Big time runs in those games. Big time runs in Florida.

Kept them in that game. Truly. Can you give you a number? Yeah. Average depth of target. Okay. Jackson Dart to 12.4. Cam Ward was 10.2.

Tyler Shuck was 10.1. you're guessing Shador's lower, right? I don't know. Yeah, yeah, I'm guessing. 8.8. Yeah. It's not everything, man.

It's just part of it. But, I mean, there's a big difference between 12.4 and 8.8. And I see it on tape. I just feel like he makes more NFL throws. Well, his big time throw... There's another stat, too. And again, I'm not...

Like, I see it on tape. And then I see some things that help, I guess, contextualize it for the audience. His big time throws under pressure versus versus versus the pressure of more than two two and a half seconds where he said more than two and a half seconds slight advantage over cam ward significant over sanders and all the other quarterbacks quarterback under pressure and production you look at the graph dart says

dart has a sizable advantage over everyone except Howard and mccord and that offense just doesn't almost doesn't count um so why haven't you moved him ahead of Sanders? What's the negative? What's the why he might fail? Predetermined stuff is the big question mark. And I think it is for NFL teams. And they're trying to figure out because I watch, like Florida, for example,

there were three times in that game. They called the sale route over to the left side, wide open, beautiful ball under pressure. It actually gets dropped. Right. Come back to it like 10, 12 plays later. Hit on that one. Receiver actually pulls it in, takes a hit. If I, this is, this is from months ago when I watched this.

So I could be off by slightly, but my recollection is the second one hits on that. Third time, the defense finally in the third, late third, fourth quarter, the defense finally adjusted and said, we, we got to change what the concept here, defensively. Coverage was there still goes to that throw. Yeah. The read, the read of the defense says, okay, come off of that, get to your number two. It's just one example.

There's a whole bunch of them. And if you want to sit down in my office here and we can go through and show examples. And then you talk to NFL scouts and it's it's what there. Now here's the deal with that. Doesn't mean you can't. But you better figure out between the end of the NFL season and the first night of the NFL draft on April 24th. It's part of it.

If he can. You know what I mean? Yeah, that's a big part of it. Yeah, I love everything. And the other thing I was going to say that got into that before is those like 10 to 19-yard throws, his timing and accuracy on those throws, it looks like he looks, those are NFL throws that he's making. And the way he gets it out right in rhythm, his tape, I don't know, it's maybe not as impressive in terms of Cam Ward's and the highlight reels, but there are just stretches where he just looks so comfortable and on time and in rhythm and accurate. And then you add again, the running. I think people understand how good of a runner is at this point.

I'm not sure. He's a sudden. He's a damn good run. And he's powerful. He's more sudden than Shador by a long shot. And Shador's more sudden. Yeah. If you're a past, you see Shador and you're like, we can turn it on.

We can get after him a little bit. If you see Shucks, you're going to start. You better stay in your lane. Yes. You better stay in your lane, man. Because he's going to hurt you. He will make you pay for getting out of position. Absolutely.

And he does it with poise. That's the difference. Right. It doesn't turn into chaos. It doesn't turn into a scramble drill. We're advancing the offensive play because I'm going to climb or I'm going to, if the pressure comes from the inside, I'm going to roll. And I'm doing it. Eyes down the field.

And a lot of guys do that, but eyes down the field calmly with a process, with an order. He knows where he's going with the ball. When it breaks down, it's just as good as when it's on time. sometimes honest to God better. His pressure dropped that. It was remarkable how much better. I'm just going to say it flat out. It blew, if you just evaluated off of this and why you do,

you factor in all these other cutups and the whole games and the big picture. But if you're just going off the pressure drops, he's the first overall pick in this cause. I just want to sell that to everyone so they understand significantly better than Cam Ward's. Cam Ward was slightly disappointing, if I'm going to be honest, under pressure was not great last year. Shador's was pretty good,

but like I didn't think the grade was as high as PFFs. I got to be totally honest. And I looked up the PFFs like an hour before we came on here just to try to get some context. Yeah. I really only wanted to share the number of plays because I thought that was significant with the 236 from Dart compared to everyone else.

It was 130 to 186. And then I was like, well, they got the pressure grades. Let's put them in there. And Darts lined up at 69 with the grade. Shador's did not at 65. It was closer to Cam Ward, which was 56.5. That's not a great number. Tyler Shucks, next up on the list, was 62.6.

Third best behind Shador and Dart. I feel like we're an hour and 20 minutes in. I feel like we interviewed Shuck. We've been the, you know, the head of the train on this continue to be by the way we will continue to be too it's not we will continue to be and i do think it's important and like now that i'm done there is a difference because i said for a long time i don't think there's that big a gap between shaddor and dart and i don't think there's that big of a gap between dart and shuck i continue to say there's no gap in my mind

i think shadore is just as likely as dart and dart is just as likely as shaddor given the where they're drafted. And quite frankly, Jackson, Dart and your family, I hope you fall a little bit. So you go to a team that has a, because that's that, you got a much better chance to succeed. Because the talent level and the tape is just as good, if not better, with Dart. You got to get some questions answered. We just talked about it. But he's got a great chance to succeed.

Shuck, and it's not because the age, Shuck is 25 years old, as I mentioned earlier in the show. Chuck had three injuries, season-ending injuries. There's nothing degenerative, though. There were three broken bones. It was two collar bones and a fibula, left fibula in 2023 and September 23rd. Okay. And those injuries, what they did is they built a really tough core and shell for this young man. Humble, resilient.

all of that came into it, man. It's not only just the toughness. I think that it humbled him in a way of doesn't take anything for granted. You know, he sees every day is an opportunity for him. Every day is an opportunity for him. You know, this is not something he takes for granted. When I first got in this business, it was about who's got the arm strength, accuracy is more important than arm strength, who's got some mobility to add to it,

and then the position has changed, and it's more about mobility and extending, creativity, and all those things. and arm strength is always important, but I need a guy who's accurate more than I need a guy who has a big arm and all those things. The blind spot I had to all of this for a long time, and I no longer do.

Who's the guy and what's his why? Right. It's true. Everyone loves what they get from the game. Everyone loves being the starting quarterback. Everyone loves all that stuff, and most people can kind of handle the criticism that comes with it and all those things.

These guys now have, they grow up and I sound like the old man saying it and it's always kind of been the case but it's different now and if you're around this game you understand it people see a talent in a young and a boy and it's a gravy train let's get them all the camps those camps will lead to exposure exposure will lead to opportunity they're groomed all of a sudden now you get Jordan palmer and Whitfield and everyone working with guys who are really younger and all these camps and they get funneled up to elite 11s. And then the Dilfers of the world of the time start to take that.

And it's a business. And everyone's making money off the business. And then they wind up getting their payday and it's extraordinary. Okay. But all along the line, there can be if not from the right family or not hardened by life's experiences, there can be some entitlement. When life punches you in the face, how are you going to respond? And some of these guys, when they get in the NFL,

the first time they've really gotten, like really gotten punched in the face, now they've got to respond. And they got a bunch of grown men who are trying to feed their family in a huddle or at the line of scrimmage in today's game in the locker room, whispering, nudging. You know how it goes. Okay. I don't worry about any of that shit with Tyler Shuck, man. I don't. Right. This guy is ready. He came up with Trevor Lawrence. He was one of those groomed guys, a good looking guy, the blonde hair. He's get his hair to the side. He's tall. He's got a big arm. He's in the camps. He's in the elite 11s. He's with Trevor Lawrence, Goldie locks, you know, like everything's great. Life's perfect. Guess what? Justin Herbert's going to be a first overall pick's going pretty early in the draft.

He's next up. Right. And then until it falls apart. And then there's a new staff and Christobal leaves. Things don't go well his first year. Then he gets his chance, season ending injury. Transfer to Texas Tech, starter, season ending injury. Again, season ending injury, three years in a row. Then he gets with the Brahms, who actually know how to develop quarterbacks. And he was carted off the field one of those three times and thought that might be the last time I played. And he told us that. Yeah.

And he starts to learn actually the game. And he's learned a lot about himself. And now he's like this mature 23, 24 year old. And he kind of looks back and laughs at who we was and who we thought he was when he was 18, right? Right. And I want that. I want that. I will bet on that.

I agree. Because I've seen more, you have, if you're going to handle the responsibilities that come with being the face of the franchise, you're going to have to be the eraser for 10 other people and the mistakes that they can make. You're going to have to do the interviews, take all the heat when things don't go well, sit there in the locker or at the press conference and take all the heat. You better know who you are as a human being or else it'll break you. And we've seen so many dudes to get broken.

Tyler Shuck's not going to get broken. And oh, by the way, he's 6 foot 5. He's 220 pounds, 219 at the combine. He's got big ass hands. He ran, he was the only one who ran and he was hysterical and everyone can laugh about it. But you see it on tape. He ran a 463 at 6.5, 219 pounds. Okay?

It makes place. So he's bigger. He's got a strong, as strong, if not stronger arm than all these other guys, certainly more than Shador. I think he might have the strongest arm of the top four quarterbacks, but whatever. He might. But he's right up there with board. And then like a notch above dart and a couple notches above Shador.

So he's got the best arm. If not, if tie, he's among the best strongest arms, if not the best. six foot five two hundred nineteen pounds bigger than all the other others faster than all the others he's been through all these wars you know what you're getting he's he's like things don't go well early he's used to it now his tape is really good eyes feet trigger that's why i see over and over again when he does a really good job of keeping his feet right yes he's tall he's long levered so he gets tangled up a little bit more than the other guys and there are some bad decisions That would be my biggest thing.

When his feet get tangled up and he's trying on the move, he's kind of got a blooper reel of like throws away and all the like underhand and all that. But he also has got some magic and he creates. Oh, yeah. He makes some pros of your question. Then you're thankful that he did. He's got magic in his game. And the way he, I think if you've never watched him play,

he's tall, fast on a straight line, moves around okay in the pocket, but he's not as elusive as Ward, Shador, or Dart. That's the thing. In terms of late pressure flashing, he's not going to be able to like the other guys. Right. The other guy's like, right? And then actually, Dart can take off and run. The other two don't run that well.

Shador, the worst of the three. But the way he flicks his wrist and the way the ball comes out, like this guy's got all the tools to succeed. And the most important part is the mental and the maturation. And he's got that too. I would absolutely, if I can't get the guy I want in round one, and that's the rest of the league outside of Tennessee in Cam, and it does the value or I've got an opportunity to get an elite player, like an Abdul or a hunter,

and it's just not worth trading away three or four picks this year, and next year maybe combined to go up and get dart, or it just doesn't work out where I can because someone's going to take them earlier than I thought. I'm not mad at getting Tyler Shuck in the second round. think he's got a chance to be a pretty good starter in elite. Agree? You weren't going to get into him.

I knew you were to have. You had to say something about him. Who? Shuck. In the beginning, you were like, oh, we've already talked about him. Jalen Milrow is what Jalen Milro is. I'm going to put it this way. I'm going to, because we got to get going.

The team that pulls the trigger on Milro and it's presumably going to be somewhere in day two, would you agree? Yes. We'll be prepared to play the long game with them, okay? Here's what I want to say on Jalen. We all know the traits. Great deep ball, unbelievable athlete. Not their accuracy-wise, not their makeup-wise yet, processing-wise.

Here's what I see when I'm all done and I'm taking a step back and I'm looking at the big picture. He's a uniquely gifted athlete and a uniquely talented deep ball thrower who also enters the league with a unique set of challenges ahead. Yeah. Okay. flexibility over muscle mass is going to be one of the major things that has to change for him i can't allow him to become brady quinn tim tibo will levis it don't work get out of the weight room get flexibility training work on your body in a different way it's not about being the biggest or the strongest or the toughest bully in the alley it's about throwing the football more accurately and having touch and right

now he's lacking those things and it's the same thing i saw with quinn and tibo and levis okay and they're all the same dudes in terms of their upper body build. Okay. Another is bringing him along at the right pace to make him comfortable in your system. He just does not process the way an NFL quarterback needs to process at this point. Okay. Now, I want people to also, when they hear that, understand, and I've done the due diligence, and I know people in Tuscaloosa, and I know a lot of people in the NFL.

He is one of the most likable guys you'll ever be around. people absolutely adore this man. Played a golf tournament in Alabama this summer. Like, just love him. And beyond that, he's also a smart guy. Right. Smart doesn't equal, doesn't always equal. Christian Ponder's one of the smartest dudes of all time, by the way.

Didn't ever develop the processing skills in the league and didn't have it at Florida State. And that was a big concern with him. But he still, I told you back into 2011, it went really high. I think it was 12 overall. So this to me is not Jalen Hertz, okay? This is not, this is not Tim Tebow, although the flexibility needs to be there and improve. The touch and the timing and the passer, the accuracy is a passer.

This is not Jalen Hertz. This is not Tim Tebow. This is not Lamar Jackson. My concern is that this is Vince Young. Interesting. Because Vince Young was missing. the processing because he always got away with it at Texas.

He didn't have to learn all that. And he didn't have to know what the defense was trying to do to him. He didn't have to be a step ahead of the defense because he was so damn talented and so damn athletic. He didn't have to. And Vince Young was not an accurate passer. Right. By NFL starting quarterback standards.

But he was just so, right? Yeah, there's no really clear comment. Here's the difference, though. Jalen's a smart young man. And the team that drafts him in day two is going to have time. VY did not have the luxury of time. Right. So that leads me to believe Milrose got a chance.

Vince Young was drafted third overall pick. Young, just kind of splashing on the world, just knocked, you know, chop the legs off the dragon out in California at the Rose Bowl. USC ruined the dynasty by himself single-handedly. own 44 yard line gets it with a minute 13 left carries the ball down the field after carrying that team the entire day scores a touchdown all of a sudden hey you want to go to the NFL draft you're going to be the number three overall pick wasn't ready for it right milrose can have time that's what i see when he was being talked about as a first round pick i thought it was insanity i just never saw i kind of went in on day two i just because i i said i do too i do too plus the pluses that you're saying

And people who can say, well, what are, you know, like, you know, you just said, Will Howard's a better processor. And you can go in about a couple of these guys later on that are interesting. And I agree on all of that. I want, if I have to push my chips in and make a bet or a gamble on a player in terms of projecting what they could do in the league, give me Jalen Milro. Now, not in the first round. And Jalen Milro is not Vince Young.

He sure his shit isn't Tim Tebow. There's just no clear comment. But no, no, I'm saying he's not those guys. in terms of you bring him in everyone's going to be like what is it time yet yeah remember tim tibo was was brought in the camp of the patriots and there was a press conference or the jets or one of the two it was a press conference later on his career yeah yeah and they were talking about maybe using like in fullback special teams different things and there was a press conference yeah media was like it's not that jalen's a wonderful likable guy he was a starting quarterback in alabama you would think that there's

he kind of flies under the radar nationally media wise You can bring him in quietly. As quietly as you can bring in a quarterback that played at a big time program, won a lot of games, has his talent level, wore that helmet. Mm-hmm. And you can kind of just, hey, sit over there in quarterback room. Let's start working. Let's start working.

Let's grind this thing out. And I like that. So much of this man we've learned is circumstance. I'd like his circumstance to develop. Yeah. I like it. I agree. And Hertz was kind of the same. That, that, yes.

Yes, I agree. You had time. There's situation. There was no rush. Yes. Right. I want to finish on this. I see the ceiling and it's not extraordinarily high with Will Howard.

Mm-hmm. My goodness was he dealing in the postseason. He was. If you just get dropped on this planet and you watch just the tape. Yes. From Tennessee on, those final four games. I want to tell you this. He started 44 games in his career. Okay. 50 games played 44 starts, totaled 9,994 passing yards, 85 touchdowns. Okay. Also rushed for almost 1,200 yards and 26 touchdowns. Best year of this career in 2024. Yes, he had the best supporting cast of all time, but started all 16 teams, led the Buckeyes to a national championship and school record 14 wins and they've done a lot of winning. And yes, it's a new format, but the college football national championship.

Ohio single season and career completion percentage records, 71.4%. I'm not a big numbers guy. Why am I reading all this off? Because I want you to understand what this guy is coming into the league with. He's 6 foot four in a quarter. He's 236 pounds. He's coming off of a run, the most impressive run in probably college football playoff history, Tennessee, Oregon, Texas, and Notre Dame.

four-game opportunity, unlike the years before. So that was built in. But he completed 75.2% of his passes against some pretty good defenses and some damn good defensive coordinators. He had a great one, one of the all-timers, Chip Kelly. Yes. And he had one of the all-time great college football-wide receivers. Can't wait for the 2027 draft.

Okay. But he was going up against pretty good talent too. Right. I would say the same thing. I struggle with the supporting cast, but remember they didn't have the Notre Dame path. They had the or the Penn State path in the playoffs. They had to play.

That was an outstanding run for that team and for that player. Here's what I saw. He knows what he's looking for and has a clearer picture than any other quarterback in this draft. And he didn't have that picture early in the season. He sure his shit didn't have it at Kansas State. I see a quarterback who, like the light came on. I saw certain plays. I'm in here.

and I'm writing down all these plays. I've got there, Howard clips, right? Notes everywhere. My office is a disaster. Play three, Tennessee. Safety, linebacker, miscommunication. Linebackers yelling back to the safety. The running back Judkins could either release right or left.

The linebacker saying, I'm got into the right. You got to help me out in the left. Howard sees that communication, checks the play. Safety drops down just three yards. He realized that the safety had responsibility for the slot receiver of Buka, and had no chance of getting back in the play. Gets the ball, three-step drop, checks.

Yep, safety's chasing his ass off to get back. It's like a Mike linebacker gets a slot receiver trying to get back to cover that middle of the field, no chance, hits it for like 40 yards. Okay? Safety's widened against Oregon. 741, first quarter of the game. Edward, you can clip these off.

Play 12. Safety's widened just a little bit. he's got his slot against any slot. He's got his slot receiver, Abuca, again, against any slot cornerback in the country, drops a perfect ball over it. Texas, 13-19, fourth quarter. Games tied at 14. Chips are on the line.

Not his best game, not the offense's best game. They're in a battle, a dog fight with Texas. Texas sends six. He set his protection, understanding what could be coming. Set it for six. Pressure still comes. But what he does, at the top of his drop he slides to his left buys himself like that much more time

waits for the receiver uh seven tate right tate brandon tate was it tape to clear out to clear out and and drops in a beautiful ball right over the cornerback side so it's the he's winning with his mind i like it was the the clear picture to me after 1260 something snaps yesterday was that he has the clearest picture of all the quarterbacks pre-snap of what's going on he it's like that kid who gets the answers to the test and you wonder how do you go from a 70 student to getting 100 well he cheated well in football it's not cheating it's called being prepared this guy is unbelievably prepared the tells the calls at the line he's so damn decisive post snap all those things now his arms average overseas oh it's it's good enough everyone's talking about the combine he was a terrible actor

shut up get out of here stop about the combine please just just stop and i'm not even going to say another word just stop because the same people will bitch about about people not throwing and be like they should have thrown why didn't he throw but he moves well i love you much i'm not you try i got i got access i know that's why i get you going and then i walk away you know i light the fire and I'm like, what? 6.4 and a quarter, 2.36. He moves. Well, he's not as sudden as sudden.

He's got some sudden. He's got some run. He's competitive. Here's the thing. To me, Will Howard is the new poster boy. Just like Bo Nix. Jaden Daniels. Guys recently that we've seen.

New poster boy. For Transfer Portal, game experience in college. His tape post Michigan. I mentioned this too. not ratting anyone, not saying anything. Watch the big hit he took against Michigan. Maybe he wasn't the same guy the rest of that game. Maybe that's why that's why that wasn't his best tape.

Just going to say it. His tape since Michigan was next level. It all clicked. Complete control. Arm solid, not great. Ability to evade is solid, not great. But he's smart as a whip. He's going to outsmart you.

He has the clearest picture, as I said, of any quarterback in this class when he gets the line of scrimmage. And then when he's in post-snap, most decisive. He's an offensive coordinator's dream as a backup quarterback in the league immediately. And why? Because your job as a backup quarterback is to prepare. It is more of an accounting job than it is playing football. You've got to prepare. It's like an analyst, I should say, like a financial analyst almost, research, study, tests, tendencies, all those things. He's going to step in and be, he's prepared for that. He can control.

to the quarterback room immediately. When we talked to Shucky, he talked about that. I want to be the starter, but I'm ready to contribute to the room. And you've got to. When you're not Cam Ward, you've got to contribute to the room.

That'll get you out of the league faster than anything else. If you don't have a special trait, like a Jalen Milro that it's being developed and groomed to be the star, you better contribute to that room and wait for your opportunity. And when it's your opportunity, you're ready. And that's going to be his career path. if he's called upon at some point, he's not going to be overwhelmed.

He's just not going to be overwhelmed. He's not going to blow you away with his arm strength or his elite pinpoint accuracy, but he's accurate enough. His arm strength is good enough. He's mobile and evasive enough. He's competitive. He's a dog. Who wins the games if you need him to?

A year or two from now, he might be ready to compete for a starting job because he's playing. I get news for you. Andy Dalton, who was the best quarterback of that class outside of Cam, Newton who was the fifth quarterback taken. It's not because he had a brilliant arm. It's not because he was big. He had some mobility. It's not like he was Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen running around, you know,

because he was one of the smartest to do that thing. And he was prepared. And he had a chip. And that's what this guy's going to come into league with. I would completely understand it. Speaking of chips, if our buddy Chip Kelly pushes. the Raiders to draft them in round two. Yeah.

Whether it's moved back, whatever. And I wouldn't have any pushback. After finishing my tape, I won't push back on any team if they draft them in round two, even though I'd give them a third round grade. It's a quarterback. All right. I'm done. Anything else?

No, I think you, this was your day, man. I want to let you shine. I knew you were going to cook. Offensive line, I'm not going to talk. I knew you were in the lab last night. I could tell you were yesterday. I could tell you were in the lab. So I knew it was going to be a big day for you.

I appreciate it. I mean, none of these guys can do what they need to do without a left tackle, though. I'm just going to say that. Like, I mean, we still realize that offensive lines way more important that you give it credit for, right? No, absolutely. You're my trenches guy. And I will defer to you in a big way. I mean, this is all great, but.

Yeah, I get carried away. And I know it. No, that's great. Love me or hate me. But I just like, you can't do all that work. and have this platform and not be able to share it with people. Yeah. I appreciate.

And I appreciate the comments. People are like, don't stop apologizing. Like we're here. Yeah, I saw that, right? Or we don't like it, but we're still here. So don't worry, but so. So I appreciate you. And I truly like, I don't know.

It just feels right here, man. It feels right. This is the right place for us to be. We're doing the thing we love. I get to talk to you, one of my favorite people in the entire world. And we get to share some of our insight. And we need people can disagree. agree or agree, but it's just a good place to talk it all through.

Yeah, we got the right team too. We do have the right team. And between Connor and Dan and Tucker and Eduardo and Mark, we're all behind the screen right now yelling at me to please wrap this hour and 45 minutes show up. We've got the right team. And we also have, we got the right support, man. Our numbers keep going up.

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