The McShay Show - The Way-Too-Early 2027 Mock Draft: Arch Manning Vs. Dante Moore

Episode Date: April 29, 2026

Welcome to The McShay Show! Todd and Steve start with grading their 2026 mock draft against how the draft actually shook out, and react to the uncertainty around Brendan Sorsby's future. Then, they reveal their 2027 way-too-early mock draft, discussing who should be the top prospect: Arch Manning or Dante Moore? Plus, evaluating Jeremiah Smith's place in the all-time WR prospect conversation, and much more. Check out The McShay Report for the entire first round mock draft. 0:00 Welcome to The McShay Show! 3:15 Grading our 2026 mock draft 10:40 Brendan Sorsby to enter gambling addiction program 13:15 Revealing our way-too-soon 2027 mock draft 15:05 2027's top prospect: Arch Manning or Dante Moore? 23:10 Projecting the top QB prospects 32:10 Ranking Jeremiah Smith's historical comparison 39:15 Biggest surprises and steals in the 2027 mock draft 42:30 Get full mock draft access on The McShay Report The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Host: Todd McShay Guest: Steve Muench Producers: Tucker Tashjian, Conor Nevins, and Daniel Comer Social: Abou Kamara Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The 2027 way too early mock draft is live. Hey, scumbags, grab your pens and your paper. Let's go. 359 days until the NFL draft. You good, Mitch? I'm great, man. Tucker roll my favorite beat, please. Take it something in real quick.

Ooh, okay. Listen, scumbags. All the heat we took last year for this, having these quarterbacks too high. I get it. We were off on. some of these quarterbacks. So is the league. Yes. Yes. Okay. Let me let me say hello to people first. I don't. Hello everyone. You're listening to the McSheae show presented by Fanduel. The NFL draft may be behind us, but Fandual still has everything you need to get ready for the upcoming

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You know the beauty of our dynamic here, right? is that even last night we had like this, this dinner that was lovely, kind of wrapping up the draft and kind of a production, talking about the future and, you know, all good things. There's like this feeling that I'm the one who doesn't take feedback well. There's this feeling that I'm the one who's like, you know, tough to deal with. And I can be. I'm an absolute prick for like two weeks of the year.

And I certainly have my moments like we all do. But I'm pretty cool with like, you know, tell me where we can get better. Let's constructive criticism. Let's go. I'm here to always like, where are you going this? Because I think it gets projected a little bit. And here's the dynamic that I, that's intriguing to me because I, I'm the one who's the guy who's like getting, you know, who everyone thinks is hard to manage. And like, I don't know if Todd's going to take this well and all that.

But when it comes to like constructive criticism and feedback, I probably. You promise you, the bear in the group in this one is Minch. He does not take it. Well, now, now the reason, hold on, hold on. I'm going to come full circle on this. But the reason I kind of, the reason I deeply respect it is because he's the most loyal son of a gun in the world. So you come at me or us, this guy's going to be the first one to jump down your throat. So let's get to the reason why we're talking about all this.

Dan had a great idea. Let's go back and look at last year. Everyone else does. Everyone else says, look how ridiculous this. You know? By the way, that includes me. I think this is silliness. But also, like, there's some things to learn from everyone.

Also, we told you we do an appropriately early one later, and even then, like, we haven't gotten enough at the tape. But let's take a look at last year's mock draft. This is the way too early mock draft. And, yeah, it jumps right out. It's like screaming off the page, Nuss Meyer won overall. Lenore Sellers for overall. I'm going back.

I know. I'll let you defend it in a minute. Let me go. Let me rip. Went in the fourth round. These guys are idiots. Blake Miller one looks pretty good though, doesn't it? I fall you to get that out.

Okay, so anyway, so let's look at this, right? I look at this and I see some, I see some positives. I see some negatives. I don't know what we necessarily learn from it. Did we overhype the quarterback class a little bit? Yeah, sure. But I promise you talking to teams in the league and even like the national scouting list. Garrett Nussmeyer was one or two on team sports.

You know who the other one was was Drew Aller? And we were never really that high on Drew Aller. Garrett Nussmeyer then has the season he has, the tendonitis, right? Yeah. And the, you know, the cyst on the spine that led to the core injury. And he wasn't himself all year. So he winds up going late in the draft to the Chiefs, and he'll battle to try to work to become the backup there

and see what happens with his career. I'm not defending it. I get it, and I will be the first to admit. I overrated the quarterback class in general last year, like the Nuss Myers and the Cade. And I didn't overrate Drew Aller, but I knew he was going to go earlier than teams than I thought he should, and that's what a mock draft is.

And Cade Clubnick, I was too high on. I will own the Cade Clubnik one with... That's the one for me. Nussmeyer was injured and it was a disaster, and everyone in the league had a high grade on them coming into the year. But I look at that and I see, yeah, there's room for improvement. Let's keep grinding away. And it's kind of funny at this point.

It should be fun. We're all human. This should be fun. This is a fun exercise that people enjoy to get a sense of what next year's draft class is. But Mench. Yeah. While I'm finally putting the final touches, because I was getting, we'll get to this year's mock draft,

but I'm putting the final touches on this 2027 mock draft. Munch is over here. It's like a lawyer getting ready to go into court. What do you got? Are you going to let me, just look, when you take away my phone, I get mad. This should be fun. You should be learning about names, about what teams, what direction they might go in.

This is what this exercise is. So we look back. Let's just look at the numbers. Okay. 11 of the players that are on that list when the first round. I think that's a pretty good number. seven of them went day two. That's pretty good too, man.

So 18 of the 32 went in the first two days. So what about the other 16 guys? Six went back. So only 10 of them weren't first, second day draft picks. Only eight of them. Oh, eight of them, sorry, eight. Yes. So everyone wants to beat up on the quarterbacks, and listen, I get it, I get it.

And three of them were quarterbacks. But, yes. But look at those numbers, man. So for the rest of the draft, we did really, really good. Those are actually good numbers. I wasn't a part of your pre-show defense team. I mean, Dan Huddled. So listen, here's the other thing.

Jackson. Karen Reid, he represented Karen Reid and a lot of other people. We're out in L.A. Jackson. I'm forgetting his name. Let me go. It was like that team that he assembles. I will tell you this. This exercise is supposed to be fun.

I'm always looking at it. I'm like, hey, man, you know the names. We know the players. Barry Jackson? Why am I blanking on that? You're killing me right. Sorry. You are absolutely killing. Not Johnny Cochran. We know Johnny Cochran.

Jackson. He just did the Karen Reed thing. I'm from Massachusetts. Does anyone outside of Massachusetts care about the Karen Reed case? I mean, it's all over Netflix, and it was on 2020 and date line and everything. We need Marissa in your ear right now. Okay. I've got Dan in there with Marissa, and I can't believe that someone's not bailing me out on this. But go ahead. I'm losing my, I'm like losing my, okay, this is supposed to be fun. You're killing me.

This is supposed to be fun, right? You're supposed to be going through these names. Alan Jackson. This is what... Are you going to be fun? We're going through the names. Right. Alan Jackson assembled a hell of a team.

When I tell you the McShea is a maniac about the first way too early in mock draft, this is really, he's not going to tell you this. This is probably mock 1.3. It is. He had a version of this a couple days ago. He's making phone calls to teams. He's making phone calls to other people. I don't want to give anything away here.

He's trying to figure it. you're out, hey, what do you guys think here? What do you think about that? For a mock, what is it today? I don't even know what the date is. April 27th? No. 27th, yep, April 20th.

We're taking this on Monday. It's coming out in a couple days. Okay, I didn't know what, you know, the magic of TV. I didn't know if I handled that well. That being said, yes. It's kind of out of control. But if you're looking for one, if you're looking for a way too early mock where someone's really putting in the effort, and they have a little bit of a history here, folks,

this is the one to read. Thank you, sir. I actually, to be honest with you, more so in the last 48 hours than I ever have before in any other way too early mock draft, because stuff pisses me off and it's good. I handle it pretty well. But I don't, here's my deal with this of the truth serum. The exercise is fun. I really truly like it.

Let's get the names out there. Let's start talking about 2027. Get excited about the college football season. Okay. what I have a deep, like, burning fear of. And, like, I've had Kim, I've had Nick Saban call me and rip my ass. I've had Urban and I are buds, man. I spent a year at his house, like, in his house, is going down every week in the fall.

He's calling me after he goes back to Ohio State, and he's tearing into me. What I, and I don't even care about that part, because I know that their agenda at the time. Right. They don't see their players walking out of the door. What I care about is I don't want to give false hope to some players. So every year I'm enlisting more and more, and people in the league are actually more open now than ever to share these lists with me of their initial list before they get together with the National and the Obesto to try to get the, you know, send their scouts out and all the players to take a look at it every school.

So I feel better about this list than we ever have before. We've watched all the quarterbacks. We obviously know many of the top players. but when we get into like picks 20 to 32, I really wanted to make sure this is representative of what NFL teams, their very, very early look, who they have sitting there, like, these are the top three guys. I had one team, these are the top three guys at each position.

Another team said the quick snapshot of the board. Like, this is more information than I've ever had to make this. So let's get on to it. Here's the other part we do need to share. As we're taping it on Monday and this show, I believe, will come out Wednesday, is my understanding. And Tucker just gave me the confirmation on that. Brandon Sorsby, the Cincinnati quarterback a year ago, now Texas Tech transfer, okay?

Brandon Sorsby, Brandon Sorsby was in my initial 2027, way too early mock draft, okay? Super talented quarterback. A lot of teams are really high on his potential. Obviously, Texas Tech made sure with the El Matador Club. that they were going to get a big-time quarterback to come in this year after Baron Morton winds up getting drafted by the Patriots, I think, in the 6th and 7th round. So enters Sorsby. Unfortunately, news just broke. And this is, again, on Monday morning, and there may be more information that breaks between now and then.

But this is why I have made the executive decision to remove him from this way to early mock draft because there's eligibility concern. So Soresby, the report that we have from Pete Thamble is, I'll give you just a quick breakdown. Sorsby bet on Indiana football while red-shirting for the Hoosiers as a freshman, as a freshman in 2022, that red shirt year. According to sources, the bets in 2022 were on Indiana to win, and none came in a game in which Sorsby appeared. So you can read this report from Pete Thamble. there's no and Soresby is now going to receive treatment and there's no timeline

on the treatment for Sorsby but they're treating it as a mental health issue and he's starting to get help for it and it's a very serious gambling addiction is a very serious epidemic in this day and age and we encourage everyone to when they do decide to wager, wager wisely

but the NCAA has a very strict policy against any type of gambling by athletes on intercollegiate amateur or professional athletics competition. And so this is a violation. And now the eligibility question comes into play. So until that is cleared up for us, we're kind of in a wait and see mode. And we certainly have a lot of other quarterbacks in this 27 way too early mock draft to fill out all the needs that we have.

And that's kind of, it's not a comfortable transition, anything you move on to here. But it's kind of the beauty of this 2027 quarterback class where you think you lose a potential top 10 pick. And it's like kind of next guy up. And so I want to get into it. Should you explain the order first so people understand? Yes, thank you very much. See, Munch has always got my back. He doesn't like the criticism.

He's going to protect the, he protects the establishment. We basically went off of the Super Bowl odds as of April 26, 2026. And it's in reverse order. And so picking at the top here with the New York Jets, the Miami Dolphins, Arizona Cardinals, and Cleveland Browns, who all basically have identical odds that are the furthest odds away from them being in the Super Bowl. And then the list goes on. But this is not some power ranking that Steve and I came up with. This is based purely on odds and reverse order of it.

Okay. Here we go. There's a lot to get to get to the fun stuff. Now we get to the fun stuff. So we had four teams at the top in the Jets, Dolphins, Cardinals, Browns selecting. Three of those four teams, excluding Miami. And I wouldn't completely rule out

if they're picking number two next year, Miami. But we gave them Jeremiah Smith, the wide receiver from Ohio State. We'll get to Jeremiah Smith and kind of historically where we think he could be. But the three quarterbacks that we went at the top, Arch Manning, Texas, number one to the New York Jets. Dante Moore, Oregon, number three, Arizona Cardinals. And then number four, the Cleveland Browns, we had selecting Lenore Sellers. Now, there are other quarterbacks in this mock draft.

We can get to some of those in a little bit. Sellers is higher than most people think. Sellers is Mench's guy. I love his talent, too. I think this is a huge year for sellers in terms of making a jump. But the clear conversation in this draft class, and the conversation we're going to have for 359 days, as Tucker told me in the open,

is it Arch or is it Dante? Who you got? I mean, well, when we know who you got. Manning versus Moore. actually this is a mock. Let's be clear. This isn't rankings. So you think that the Jets would take.

Who would you take? Is that accurate about how your board would set up right now? Do you have Arch with a slight edge? We discussed it. I went back in forth three or four times. I'm going to be honest. I think Dante is more... I think Dante's closer right now.

I think Dante is... Dante is the better peer passer. Arch is bigger. Arch is more more. Arch doesn't, Arch kind of likes to run some. Here's the deal with Arch, man. You got to remember coming into last year, it was Texas won the national championship, Texas Heisman Arch Heisman Trophy, Arch Heisman number one overall pick.

Yeah. And you could feel it on tape just watching him the pressure. And then Ohio State happened. That trip to Columbus, like, that knocked his ass out. And there was a residual. Was that game in Texas or Columbus? Columbus? Oh, it was?

Okay. Oh, yeah. Dude, you're walking in the, you're walking, your first start is Columbus, Ohio. The shoe? With all of that pressure against Matt Patricia and Arvel Reese and Caleb Downs and Sunny Stiles and the rest of the game. So that and that had a residual, you could see. His mechanics weren't the same. But Oklahoma game, we saw some flashes, but didn't, I'm like, if that's the best of, I don't

know. Yeah. And then to the next game, he kind of really struggled. But then it was the Mississippi State game where I remember going on the show and saying, starting to see a little bit more of Arch. Like, this is what we expected. This is what the tape showed when we watched in the summer from 2024. And it kept progressing to the point where no one was talking about Arch.

and I remember we did a show on it. And I came on and I was like, hey, I know we stopped talking about Arch. everyone's over it. He's dealing. And from like really that Mississippi State game on, you saw progress almost every single week in the bowl game against Michigan. He was awesome. So he enters the year with all this momentum and the expectation is.

Pressure. We're building on it. It's not, no matter what pressure is placed on him this year, it's nothing. It's nothing in comparison to last year. And quite frankly, I hope it's as much pressure as humanly possible because I want to see what he

produces. Is it a diamond that we squeeze out here or what? Ferris Bueller. And then there's Dante. Did you call it your own reference? I like that. There you go. Good for you. Well, I'm older now, so I feel like sometimes I need to keep the kids up to speed. Then there's Dante who's a better peer passer and had some ups and downs this year and made the decision. Here's the part I want to talk to you about and I want to get your opinion on

these two. Yep. I would be lying if I told you I didn't factor in two things here, which is weird. I'm not, Dante Moore made the right decision to go back to Oregon last year, and it was not because I don't want to be picked by the Jets. It was because of a bunch of information, and he's a, like, the first thing you hear from every scout, every one in the NFL, everyone in that Oregon building, like this guy is mature beyond his years. He was one of those guys is going to sit down. He's going to make a patient, sound decision with everything he does. And that's what he did. And the information was right. Like, next year, it's going to be harder to be the number one overall pick. But it was him versus Mendoza. And we know the Raiders have

come out and said, like when he went back, that it became, it was Mendoza. But we were, discussing those two. Right. But the Jets sitting at number two wasn't not part of that decision making. And there's already been plenty of speculation reports, whatever you want to call him. It's not the place he wants to go. And then you think the Manning family with Eli. Yeah. So the question is, is the Jets, the destination? Is that, is this organization different? The owner hasn't changed, but GM, head coach, they're building something, packaging picks, or stockpiling picks, just had a great draft. Get three first rounders next year.

But in fact, I was like, well, Dante didn't want to, maybe it's Arch. I don't know. Well, the Mannings. I don't know. It was a conversation we had. It was interesting. Yeah, it's interesting. And I get it.

And I think if you're in that situation, but the Dante Moore situation, I understand him not wanting to go there and maybe that played a role in him going back. I do. I think watching this draft, I do feel a little bit better about what the Jets are doing. I do feel. Absolutely. And there's some interesting things here that I'm hesitant to get into. But what they've done in this draft, what they have in terms of firepower for next draft.

And in this situation, by the way, they don't give up anything. We've talked about all these assets they've accumulated to make sure they can get their quarterback. Well, here they're picking. What are they picking? Sorry, yeah, first overall, they don't have to use any of that. So they can get even more players, right? Right. You like what they're doing, all those things.

the one thing I will be hesitant about, and you can shut it down really quickly if you want, I wonder if the head coach is going to be part of the conversation of whether or not a quarterback's going to be comfortable going there. And I really like Aaron Glenn, but would you rather an offense coordinator, play caller, turned into a head coach that's kind of become the thing with a Ben Johnson type hire. Would that make it more appealing to them? Yeah, and Frank Reich is there. You know what I mean? It's interesting because you really, like, your options are, you get drafted and you go to the team, like 99.999,999% of the people who have, or you say, I'm not playing that organization and you force a trade, but there's the option to not force a trade, and they just own your rights for a year.

Yep. So I don't want to make today about that conversation. I just, I thought it was interesting that, like, for the first time ever doing this, I was like, could there be, do you think? feel different about the Jets today. 100%? Yeah, me too. I think I want to be fair about to that Jets. I also think, you know, like, I'm not criticizing Aaron Glenn as a head coach. I just think that maybe that might be part of

what this, it could be a part of the process, I think, is who's going to be the head coach and whether or not it's going to be an offensive-minded guy. Or are we comfortable with that offensive coordinator and whatever it is? This is a kind of an important year. And Frank Reich has been in the league forever. And Frank like Rake is beloved and he has had a lot of success. Yeah.

But it's important to show where this is progressing. But again, I don't envision. Arch is the son of. He's the grandson of, not the son of. And this is going to be, you know. And I don't expect there to be any problem there. And Dante Moore, I think he's going to look at this situation be a lot more excited about that than maybe he was coming into this year.

and quite frankly, Dante Moore needed to go back to school. Dante Moore was not ready. You saw the difference between Fernando Mendoza in 2024 compared to the end of 2025 season. Yeah. It was different human being. Yeah, we said he's a day two pick ascending to could be a first rounder. We see it in him. But at the end of this year, that Ohio State game, I didn't need to see the rest of the year.

I was like, I'm all in. It's going to be a fun ride. Can I talk about Sellers for one second? Please. Lenora's Sellers is as talented as anyone. in the country. I mean, he's that good. Arm strength, mobility,

his strength as a runner, not only his mobility in the way he runs, but the way he can break tackles and get out of sacks. Here's my concern with Lenora Sellers, and we started to see it last year, is he's the kind of guy

that wants to put his team on, the team on his back and go win games and make plays. And that's great when it's used in the right way. South Carolina has gotten into a situation now where it's creating bad habits because for an order for him to make, like he's not getting enough pass protection.

So now he's not really getting through his reads. He's getting out of the pocket before he needs to. It's starting to break down around him. It's things like that that concern me. It might cause when you look at his tape to be like, wow, there's a lot we're going to have to fix. And that's understandable. But I think if you put him in the right situation and you watch what Cleveland's doing another, like we just talked about the Jets, I love what Cleveland did in this draft.

about addressing their offensive line, their receivers, and tight end. If you put him in that situation with the right supporting cast, I think Lenore Sellers could absolutely take off. I mean, he's as good as, I really believe he's as good as anyone in this draft. It's important to note, too, that Mike Shula is out as offensive coordinator, and in comes Kendall Bryles and kind of that pay tempo. Yeah. It's not a ton NFL.

Right. But times have changed. Right? Some of the tape is tough to watch from last year for Sellers, just because he's running for his life, man. And so, you know, Riles comes in and form most recently at TCU, but obviously Baylor with his dad and Houston. And he's been in a bunch of places. I'm trying to think. Florida Atlantic, Houston, Florida State.

So he's bounced around, but he's had a lot of, always high-powered offenses. and they've got Nick Harbour coming back, and they've got an offensive tackle. So this is obviously a monster year for him, but I think it's important to note the gap between those top two and sellers. I don't know. It's interesting.

I think a lot of teams I've talked to seem to think like he's firmly there, and then we get into the Julian Sayan. Right. Let's see that elevation this year. C.J. Carr, Notre Dame. Let's see if he can take it to another level as a lot of people expect. And I'm thrilled to see it if that's indeed the case. Sam Levitt, great 24 season as kind of a pup.

Last season dealing with some injuries and things going on at Arizona State. Not as great. And then this year, he transfers to LSU and he's with Lane Kiffin. And everyone's like, wait for it. Right. So Jackson Dart two years ago. Trinidad Chamblis. Chambliss is in the mix, talking to NFL teams.

That's legit. So, yeah, let's throw up the top 10 here real quick. Let's take a look at the top 10. As you can see, it's Manning to the Jets at 1. Jeremiah Smith to Miami at 2. Dante Moore number 3 going to the Cardinals. Cleveland number 4 takes Lenora Sellers. Then you kind of get some position players before we get back to the quarterbacks.

Tennessee, we take Jordan's. Seton. There's a handful of offensive tackles. He's the one that people are projecting that's going to make that big leap this year. We'll see. Then we get these edges, man. It was interesting getting feedback from NFL teams. Some teams are like Dylan Stewart

and then Colin Simmons. Other teams are like what Simmons? So there's kind of the one-two punch going in at the edge position, both top ten prospects expecting big years out of them. Simmons from Texas, Stewart from South Carolina. Then back to the quarterbacks.

in a row, and that's why I brought it here. CJ Carr, as I mentioned, Sam Levitt, and Julian San. There's some interesting stuff here. Obviously, Pittsburgh makes sense to me. CJ Carr, you get your quarterback. They need one. So Carolina and Atlanta, we have some young quarterbacks there. But what's this exercise tells us, if they're picking nine and ten, it's time to make a change?

That's the hard part of this. because we're just going off the odds in reverse of what could happen. I don't necessarily agree. Honestly, the biggest surprise on this way too early mock draft is if Caroline is picking at 9 next year. I think Dan Morgan has done a sensational job.

I think they're going to be a playoff team this year. I really do. I think they're the team to beat in the South. I would agree. I think they're a better football team than Tampa Bay right now. And they proved it at the end of the – so I'd be shocked by that, but I have to go off this information. If Carolina is picking at nine, now we're entering that fifth year. And I can't afford paying, what, $60-something million a year to a quarterback when we're picking at nine.

Right? So that's the information. And honestly, remove the teams to a certain degree at this point. It's just important to get to show the depth of this quarterback class. We have got – and Sorsby was removed. Right. due to the eligibility concerns. Right.

In recent, as we talked about earlier, we've got three in the top four, and then we've got another three in the top ten. So that's six in the top ten. We're talking about the 2024 class, how exceptional it was. It was six in the top 12. And then we got Darien Mensa sending it 12, okay?

And to the Minnesota Vikings. And quite honestly, we could have thrown another name. name or two in. So, Josh Hoover, how does he? Trinidad Chambliss would be the first on the list after that. Josh Hoover, does he have a monster year at Indiana? Answer's probably yes.

Jaden, Mayava, from USC. He's got all the tools. Yeah? This Drew Mestemaker, I'm excited to see him now at a higher level after North Texas last year pointed Oklahoma State the transfer. people are really high on him. John Mateer, I'm not saying first round, but John Matier, let's see him back with his thumb, man.

It helps to have a thumb as a quarterback. Nico I Amaliava from UCLA. I get it. The Tennessee debacle transfers, all the problems, the money, this and that. And yet last year was up and down. I promise you teams are keeping a close. And I told you this in like October last year. The NFL's view of Iamalia is different than the public perception.

Yeah. So. Can we wrap up the quarterback soon? I want to ask you one last quarterback thing. Yeah. Are you, do you have trauma from the 2026 class about doing this? Hell no. You're just, you're just going to go right, you're going to go right back into it.

Have you met me? Yeah. I don't, like, I have a lot of flaws, and this is probably one of them, too. Count, this is one of the flaws. Like, take my abats, man, shoot or shoot. But we also feel more confident about this class than we did about last year's class going, at this point in time. Not even close. I thought those guys were really, really good quarterbacks.

I thought they were all, you got to remember. You were waiting for them to take the next step. These guys are kind of... These guys are a different tier. A majority of them are like, yeah. I mean, Nussmeyer had an awesome season in 2024. It wasn't as good as Sayans last year at Ohio State. Right, right.

You know what I mean? Yeah, no, I hear you. Clubnik was ascending and started to carry that team, but remember, they struggled a lot early on, and it was like some long runs and competitiveness, and I thought he was going to... But none of them were... None of them were...

What Ments has done or what... What C.J. Carr showed, you know? Certainly what sellers had. So, yeah, it's different. It's so different. This episode is brought to you by Men's Warehouse. On the lookout for new clothes, it doesn't have to feel overwhelming.

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the way you look. Let's talk about the best player in the draft. Yes. Jeremiah Smith. Yes. I'm going to ask you a couple questions here. Yes, sir. Smith or Marvin Harrison Jr.?

Smith. Smith or Jamar Chase? Smith. Smith or AJ Green? Son of them. If you think that one's hard. Smith. Smith or Calvin Johnson.

Calvin. Okay. All right. So that's where we're at. You think he's the best sense. Smith over neighbors, Smith over Chase, Smith over Cooper. Yeah, no question on all of those. Harrison, Harrison Jr., and neighbors were 24.

Chase was 21. Amari Cooper was 15. Sammy Watkins was 14. Not even close. These were all top 10 wide receivers, and most of them were top six. A.J. Green went four in 2011. Julio Jones went six. I forgot about Julio.

I'm glad you brought up Julio. So you would have him, you'd have Jeremiah ahead of Julio? I had AJ Green ahead of Julio that year. Identical grades, I remember. I want to say it was like a 96 grade. I think Calvin Johnson was like a 98 or 97. I got to go back historically and look, I need to know that number. I used to grade higher when I was a kid.

Shut off, dude. No, I swear, you go back and look at our grades and they've come down. No, when I was 25 to 28 or something like that, the grades were higher. I had a more optimistic view on the world. They start hanging out with Mention Marissa every day. So let's actually like, let's talk about that for a second though. Right now, I'm joking, by the way. I love you too very much.

Right now you have Smith right behind Calvin Johnson. That's it. This is wild, by the way, just to say that. Do you think he could surpass him with a great season, a great workout? I'm not totally ruling out. If he runs the gamut here and he just kills it. I'm not totally ruling it out. Yeah.

I swear. I think he could be the best receiver of all time. I literally think he could be the best wide receiver of all time. Of all time. Joel Klatte said that to us a year ago and said that this kid could be. He could be the best wide receiver in the history of the National Football League. Jeremiah Smith could be. I want you to think about that.

I'm fired up and now he has a quarterback in his second year. And yeah, all the coverage in the world is going to be all over him. But he'll get his spots and I can't wait to see him in the league. I'm telling you, if he's not the, I don't care what your need. is so long as it's not quarterback and so long if it is quarterback I don't know you get down to like this fourth

fourth fifth quarterback in this class are you better off taking Jeremiah Smith over the quarterback it's absurd to think we're talking about that we're talking about a Sam Levitt from LSU would you take the if you are the Carolina

pants or they just took a wide receiver maybe that's a bad example Atlanta maybe is a better example would you take There's no way he's going to be there, dude. No, there's no way. There's no way. This is silly. Yeah, it is silly.

If he's not the first positional player taken outside of quarterback, I'll be blown away. I will be stunned. Something would have to happen weirdly between now and then. If nothing changes between now and then, how do you not take what projects to be? If not the, then Calvin Johnson. So what makes him great? His, have you ever stood next to him in person? Have you stood next to him in person?

Okay. Oh my gosh. I'm sure that's an experience. It is an experience. And then you watch the way he moves. And then on top of that, the physicality that he has, which is the most underrated aspect of playing that position in the NFL. So you've got the, it's like a thoroughbred, racehorse, like,

and then the way he moves at that size. And the unbelievable part is how refined he is as a route runner. the little things he does on tape, it's wild. Like setting guys up with the leverages of his route, the stem, the tempoing of his stem, the way he gets defensive. And I'm not talking turned around. Oh, look at that great cut. I'm talking about the little nuanced things that he does. Oh, and then the ball's in the air and that wingspan.

And good luck getting through him without getting a 15-yard penalty. Okay? Good luck. What can't he do? That's the whole thing. And then, oh, by the way, now you catch it with one step and he goes and the vertical ability, I don't know what he can't do. Yeah, it's as if you took like a. Oh, and he cares.

He actually like is a, he loves this game. Yeah. And is not committed to like biggest bank account and what it provides for me. Talk to people in Columbus. Yeah. He wants to be the greatest to ever do this. Not because of what it brings to it, but he knows it's in him, so he's going to go get it. Yeah.

That's what, like, Chris Carter was the biggest dog I ever, like, talking to him after his career, spending time with him. Randy Moss, the way he, Chris kind of helped raise Randy. Yeah, we saw them practice very early in our career. We saw those two practice together. It was amazing. Calvin. I spent some time with Calvin. Like, he, like, they're, they're different.

Yes, physically, but there's a yearning to be Michael Jordan. There's a yearning to be, and I know there's not the right time for this, but Tiger Woods his craft, to be Kobe. Like all these guys have this something that burns inside of him that's different, and he's got that too. So I answer you with all those things, then I ask back, like, what doesn't he have? That's true. Guys that big aren't that naturally coordinated.

Like, it's just easy, easy to him. And you hit on it, I just want to reinforce it. When you go to grad school for receivers, then you go to Ohio State, that's grad school for receivers. It is the best program for wide receiver to go to. Sorry to all the other schools out there. And I know Hartline just left for South Florida, but it is still the best place to go.

I mean, there's nothing here. There's nothing, like, I want to, like, point to, like, issues. And when we get into the tape more, I'm sure we're going to nitpick something. but this kid is everyone's excited about the quarterbacks and I get it this kid is what I think really makes

this class different is because we're looking at a truly truly generational talent you can get the full mock draft if you subscribe to the McShea report okay so go to the ringer.com slash McShay

and you can access it there you can also Google the McShay report and subscribe that's where you're going to get the the way too early mock draft. We're excited to share it. Before we let the folks go, before I let you go to Vegas, before I,

you can find Marissa on the coast of California somewhere. If you can narrow it down, good luck. If not, we'll see you next week. When you read this, was there a name that you were, even you were kind of, huh, that's interesting. Well, two things that are interesting. Okay, we'll give you a name that I didn't expect to see there.

And I'll talk to you about that in a second. Well, what's going to happen with all these quarterbacks going is really talented positional players are going to get pushed down the board. And that's what all these, these mock drafts are just scenarios, exercises and what could happen, right? And one of the receivers,

and I'm not going to go into where they landed, but I was surprised to see how far they went. And it wasn't super far. Let me be clear about that. Is Auburn transfer, new Texas wide receiver, Cam Coleman, who I think, you talked about AJ Green and Julio Jones?

Yeah. I'm not saying it's 1A, 1B like it was that year, okay? I'm not saying that. Cam Coleman can do some difference. things, man. He is a big receiver who can run and can make some plays downfield. And when he's right and when

he gets on a roll, he is scary for defenses. So he fell a little bit farther than I expected. Well, you want to talk about like resources for Arch too. You bring in Cam Coleman. Oh, no. You still got Ryan Wingo. Yeah. Right? He's an interesting cat to watch

too. Yep. I mean, you're 100% right. The a tight end made it in. The Texas... Two of them. The Texas Tech Titan is the one that caught my attention. Okay. I really like him.

Actually, the other titan is I'll just say this really quickly. He's the LSU trade as green. I love him because of his body and the frame and his catch radius. And like the way they use them at LSU is the way they're going to use them in the pros, I think, which is like create favorable matchups in the slot out wide in the red zone. I mean, trying to match up one-on-one with this dude in the red zone is like good luck. I mean, trying to regard Wembe in the NBA. You're like, you're not going to do it.

But Terrence Carter from Texas Tech, who has. I really likes his run after the catch guy. He can get open a little bit. I thought first round maybe a little bit early, but I do like the player. So that's the guy that maybe... I didn't have any intention of putting him in there. I view him more as a day two guy, and he very well could be, you know? Yeah.

But late in the first, I wind up throwing him in there. And I did it because it surprised me, and I kind of want to share it with the audience. I think Jamari Johnson from Oregon is the guy that, if you look around the inner web, that you're going to find is like the top tight end in this class. It's not right now that's not the same National Football League

has a different view on it. Yeah. So the top two guys that getting responses from people in the league and I appreciate everyone who got back to me. I view it as a service.

Let's not give false hope to as many prospects out there that we can avoid giving the wrong information to. that's the purpose I'm trying to serve here, okay? Love it. So Terrence Carter, though, it was green and Carter for teams.

But also, but I want to make it clear, like Jamar Johnson was in there. Lucky Lawson from Georgia was another name. He was in the running, yep. So it's going to be an interesting tight end classes. We're seeing tight ends. They're back in vogue, man. We saw that run that happened on the second day. Yeah.

So I'm in, here's what I'm excited about. Are you anything else? I'm good, man. I think this is a, it's, you know, I feel good about this one. I think you did a good job. And again, it's not for lack of effort. It's just, this is an impossible exercise. And it's fun.

It is. But everyone has fun with this. But getting to help us in the league, like, I feel better about it. And I think everyone's kind of, here's what I know. I have never in 26 years talked to NFL teams at this point in the year and felt so much excitement to talk about the 2027 draft. Not necessarily indictment on the 2026 draft. It's just like, holy smokes, are we kidding?

Like, you're kidding me? I just were out of love like seven quarterbacks, man. They, like, could fight their way in. And by the way, Jaden Daniels was like a third to fifth around prospect. Yeah. The year. Who's that guy this year? Who's the guy who's in the weeks?

Mendoza was a day two prospect before. Cam Ward was like a fifth coming out of Washington State after transfer him there from from Incarnate Ward the year before Miami, right? So there could, there's going to be another guy that just goes this year. So, but it's not, this is the important part because I think all the focus has been on quarterback. I'm talking about two guys that are going to battle it out at edge rusher and Simmons and Dylan Stewart, right? We're talking about like five offensive tackles that are really, really good from Seton at LSU down to Goolsbee at Texas.

No, yeah, Texas, sorry, Texas. There's just, the wide receivers have just mentioned, like we're talking about the, maybe the greatest of all time up there with the Calvin Johnsons and Jeremiah Smith. But then Mench told you, it's Cam Coleman. Cam Coleman. Also, teams are higher on Deuce Robinson than people think. The big

Florida statewide. I'm fascinated by him. T.J. Moore mentioned Ryan Wingo. We're going to see something, T.J. Moore from Clemson, also Westcoe from Clemson. Ryan Williams have a bounceback season. Ryan Coleman Williams is still high on teams boards, despite what what happened at the end of last year. threw another name on there,

apostrophe. We got a whole new version of them this year. We're fired up. This is going to be the best 359-day run leading up to a draft that I've ever experienced and we're pumped to share it all with you. The show will be back next week. We were already talking about the production schedule for this year. Again, you can fall, to not forget about the 2026 draft. All of our scouting reports are there. You can go back and keep checking there. at the ringer.com slash mickshay. The McShay report will continue to come out as we provide the premium content

and my gosh, are we going to have a lot of it? It's going to be best. Can't wait. It's been an awesome run. We appreciate everyone. We're going to take a few days off now. Mench is going to go noodle badly. Don't tell him he's going to dead or widespread.

He's going to see fish, man. Right? Yep. Tell me, give the folks like one minute on what you're fired up about. I've never been to the sphere. I mean, I've seen fish everywhere. I've gone to almost, I mean, I've traveled the country watching fish.

So I'm at the Hollywood Bowl last year. Then they came to basically my hometown for three shows. Went to all three. Yeah, I'm excited, man. But the sphere is what's going to be different. I mean, those, I've seen some of the visuals that have been coming out. I try to stay away. But when you're on Instagram, they just start rolling in.

It's insane. I got to get there for a show. Yeah. Not, not fish. But for a show. I got to tell you, man, there are so many people who just want to. want McShay at a fish show. We can do it.

We should do it. Okay. Last year I had my buddy Chris was sure. He was he was texting during the show being like I got. Sammy Kaufman's coming, right? Yeah, Sam Kaufman's going to be there. Alex Stevens. Former teammates?

Yeah. But yeah, I have people texting being like, we got tickets in Colorado if you guys want to come. Oh, man. Can you imagine? We should go to the gorge though. The gorge is one place I haven't been. I would do the gorge. That is absolutely gorgeous.

And they supposedly put on some professional. I know you do. I was already texting Klein. I want to go to Glastonbury. I want to camp out for a few days. I love all. I just can't get into it. But you know what? We're going to Coachella with Tucker. We're going to do that sometime. Yeah, stage coach, maybe, too. We've got a lot to do this summer, man. We appreciate everyone's support. We appreciate everyone behind the scenes who has helped us. We've given all the names and thanked everybody. But I can't begin to express my appreciation in this time of year how grateful I am for the people who have given everything to make sure that we have the best support possible to provide you with the content that hopefully you've come to enjoy. So we'll be back next week.

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