The McShay Show - Todd’s 2026 Draft QB Tiers: The Names You Need to Know This College Football Season

Episode Date: August 18, 2025

Welcome to The McShay Show! The guys are back to sort through Todd’s preseason QB tiers and break down which prospects could find themselves in the first-round conversation next April.Our first LIVE show will take place at Lincoln Hall in Chicago on September 10. Tickets are on sale now—secure your spot today for an evening of NFL draft talk, early reactions to the college football and NFL seasons, and more! (00:00) Welcome to The McShay Show! (03:30) Join Us in Chicago! TheRinger.com/events(04:35) 2025 College Football QB Tiers(10:05 )How Does This QB Class Rank Historically?(14:50) QB Tier 1: Cade Klubnik (Clemson)(21:55) QB Tier 1: Garrett Nussmeier (LSU)(28:10) QB Tier 1: LaNorris Sellers (South Carolina)(37:20) QB Tier 2: Drew Allar (Penn State)(45:30) QB Tier 2: Fernando Mendoza (Indiana)(47:50) QB Tier 2: Sam Leavitt (Arizona State)(49:37) QB Tier 3: John Mateer (Oklahoma)(56:33) QB Tier 3: Sawyer Robertson (Baylor)(58:45) QB Tier 3: Carson Beck (Miami) Subscribe to The McShay Report for access to all of Todd’s scouting reports and tape notes during the Summer Scouting Series, and for access to all of his content throughout football and draft season.The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available.Host: Todd McShayGuest: Steve MuenchProducers: Tucker Tashjian, Conor Nevins, and Daniel ComerSocial: Eduardo Ocampo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Quarterback tears, Mitch. Here we go. It's early. And I always said, I want to. to be transparent and I want I want our content to mirror what we're doing right in terms of the process and so like when we get to March in April and we do whether it's tiers for all the position rankings or just for the quarterbacks they're very specific they're fine-tuned right like there's three tiers within the 90s which is usually we don't grade based off of round but those

guys with 90 grades always get in the first round because it's you know perennial pro bowl type players of fame type guys, you know, great starters immediately, all that. And so when we get closer to the draft, obviously, like, there are three tiers within the 90 grade range. Here, I'm like, I'm not going to, I'm not going to make this into something that it's not. I'm not going to start like, well, there's, there's nobody in tier one. In tier two, we've got two quarter, like, we're not there yet. And I get news for you. No NFL team in the league. None of the 32 teams are tier ranking anybody at this point. But I think it's important. And we're doing this because I've gotten a lot of text and I do every year at this time. And then early in the season, they'll start to come in again as different

broadcast groups from ESPN and Fox and otherwise start to go out to games and they want to know, like, we're going to build a graphic. Like these are, you know, top five prospects in the game. This quarterback is going to be, we project him, you know, Todd McShay hasn't projected as a first rounder or day two or whatever it is. So I just, I kind of want to. to get this information out there because it's what I'm kind of going back and forth with a lot of people on and where I see the class and Mench, you've done the same, the film evaluations. And I know our grades aren't identical, but we're in the same ballpark on a lot of these guys. And we'll just have a conversation about how I see the tiers now.

Essentially, I've broken them up to three tiers, top nine guys that we spend a lot of time on. Please go back to whether it's YouTube, Spotify, Apple, wherever else you get your podcast. And we did deep dives on just about all of these quarterbacks. And they're full shows on these guys. It's hard to, like, I've never done content that have been handed out to the public. We've always done this in the process, scouting in the preseason, getting ready for the season. But this is the first time ever, as our show started in October 22nd last year, this is the first full year go-around we've had.

So with all of that said, like now to me is a good time to, to take a look before the season starts at where we have these guys in rank of just tier one, tier two, tier three. Tier one to me, and we can throw up the graphic of these players. Tier one to me is the quarterbacks right now

if they were to come out and, you know, barring anything, barring something happening that's unforeseen or information that comes out that we don't know about. And we'll get into all three of these guys. You can see Tier one. You got Cade Klubnick from Clemson, Garrett Nussmeyer from LSU, Lenora Sellers from South Carolina.

These are guys that something would have to go wrong. There would have to be a serious regression or information that comes out that we're not privy to now or that happens between now and the draft. For me not to say these guys belong in the first round, okay? They would carry a grade that's equivalent to round one. Tier two is guys that make the three guys you could see there. Fernando Mendoza from Indiana, Sam Levitt from, from Arizona State and Drew Aller from Penn State that I think can work their way into round two

I sorry into round one and quite frankly like I think it's a much better shot they get into round one than maybe round three okay but I can't stamp it yet I need to see more I need more game experience from Mendoza need the same from Levit need to see certain things have to be improved upon from Aller and I know I'm different than a lot of people on hours so we can have that conversation today. And then finally, tier three, we're talking guys that I think are probable or likely or could work their way into top 100, not saying they won't be round one when it's all said and done. Cam Ward last year at this point, we didn't have a show at this point. We weren't even, we were in negotiations with Spotify and the ringer last year. So at this point

last year, Cam Ward talked to people in the NFL. It was like, yeah, day three, early day three, maybe he could work his way in the second, third round. Then all of a sudden, he's the number one overall pick. And he is not an outlier. Like, that happens frequently. Baker Mayfield wasn't going to be the number one overall pick, even a couple weeks before the draft. People, including myself, didn't think that he would be the number one overall pick. So these are guys that absolutely could work their way into round one. But I view as like, let's clump them now. Let's, I always talking about air traffic control. Let's get them kind of headed in the right direction, but we haven't decided what the, you know, the exact landing time is, what runway, whether

coming out of the east or the west or the north or the south and all those sorts of things. I'm just saying, I think they'll, they're about, you know, top 100, but not sure. They're going to have to have great years and do a lot of things to lock in a spot in round one. So there you have. Those are three tiers, the nine quarterbacks we're going to focus on, Okay. Before we get into those nine, though, you know what's exciting about this class? What's that? It is deep. Right. And it's exciting for college football as a whole. It's exciting for the NFL and the future.

I would argue this is like, I'm sure there have been certain other like gold rushes of quarterback play in the NFL. I think back to like that 83 draft of like Marino and Elway and those guys. But you look around the landscape of the NFL. And like, there's just a lot of good quarterback play. You know, you got your Josh Allen's, your Patrick Mahomes, your Lamar Jackson's. You've got, you know, like your Jared Goffs and Matthew Staffords and even, you know, Baker Mayfields. And I'm not going through a list right now. I'm just like off the top of my head.

But even like Caleb Williams looks great in that preseason game. Ben Johnson. you got Drake May rising. You got the quarter to jump, yeah. A year two guys, right? We already saw Bo Nix got off to a great start. Jaden Daniels was phenomenal as a rookie. Now if Caleb can play to his level.

All right? So, Jay, Jay, my car is getting in a start. So my point is, I hear you. Go ahead. I'm going to cut you off because immediately what I'm thinking is is the 2023 class. Is it as good? Is it going to be as good as,

that 2023 class with Daniels, Williams, Drake May at the top, the depth of that class with the JJ McCarthy who we haven't seen, but, you know, I was excited about coming out of school. Bo, Nix, Michael Pennix. Are we looking at a potential? Well, that was a record setting class. I understand. That's what I'm out. You're, I'm excited about this class.

I'll go first. I'll say this. I'm not ready to put it in that conversation yet. We weren't necessarily ready to put it in the conversation a month before the draft. And quite honestly, like, if Bo Nix didn't go to Denver, everyone in the league thought he was round two, nobody thought Michael Pennix was going that high. Even like a few days before the draft, it was like late first, early second maybe, but probably going to go late first.

Jane Daniels wasn't going to be, wasn't going to go that early. There was no conversation about Jane Gales going on. No, it was James. Two years ago. And this past year, I just talked about Cam Ward. So, yes, we will see. But there's a lot of good play. out there. And that's the exciting part. I'm going to list you a bunch of names right now.

Okay? That could, of this group, we could have our Jaden Daniels or our Cam Ward, right? Luke Altmeier from Illinois is underrated. I promise you. Nico I amaliava from UCLA. Don't think he's going to be ready. Still fighting for a starting job, by the way. Talented. But my goodness is he talented. Miller Moss. Let's see. I, one year with the Brom brothers in Louisville, okay? The USC transfer. Avery Johnson put out a lot of good tape last year. Maybe he doesn't fit the measurables and all those things, but he's got talent.

Aiden Childs, there's some scouts that were like, hey, keep an eye on this Aden Childs guy from Michigan State. I know he's kind of under the radar, right? Rocco Beck from Iowa State probably needs another year, but still could be in the mix. Mark Grinowski liked what I saw from him at the Manning Passing Academy. Leader, tough guy. I think he's going to make a jump. Kevin Jennings, phenomenal athlete, SMU,

Eli Holstein, Pittsburgh, tailing green from Arkansas. Two undersized guys that absolutely sling it. Maybe it's not for the NFL, like at a high level, or maybe it's not a starter, but they're going to have big years, I believe. Noah Fafita in Arizona, Gio Lopez, North Carolina. Both were awesome at that Manning Passing Academy, okay?

Josh Hoover, TCU, Haynes King, Georgia Tech, Darian Mensa, Duke, Tommy Castellanos, transfers from BC to Florida State, Caden Salter, Colorado, Jalen Daniels, Kansas, Barron Morton, Martin from Texas Tech, loaded with talents, 16 guys coming in. We're going to talk about Home Depot and our good friends at Home Depot a little bit later in the show. You want to talk about a program with a renovation, right? Austin Novassad, Oregon. So fighting for that job there, but really talented.

So this is an exciting year in college football. And it's just exciting for the, you know, the future, the continued future and, like, depth of talent in the NFL at that position, the most important position in sports. All right. Tier one, as I mentioned before. Cade Club, Nick from Clemson, Garrett, Nussmeyer from LSU, Lenore, sellers from South Carolina. Clubnik, I've got it one.

And here's my thinking on it. And I'll let you kind of riffed on Clubnik and I'll come back and kind of dig in a little bit deeper. Okay. When I was talking to Dan Comer, our producer and editor, extraordinary, does that a little bit of a lot of everything. I shouldn't say a little bit, a lot of everything for us. It was trying to explain the like, why Clubnik over a Nussmeyer or Sellers.

Well, Sellers has a special trait. that nobody else in this class has, but he's got a lot of work to do as a pastor. Nussmeyer doesn't have the physical upside of Clubnik or sellers, but he's, and while the interception is got to get cut down on and all those things, my goodness is he like refined, polished, confident, aggressive,

anticipation timing, all those sorts of things. Clubnik, I've got it number one, because I think he's got the best blend of those two things. He's got good size. He's got mobility. He's got arm strength. He's got the tools. And I saw a lot of a lot more refinement from him last year.

What a jump from 2023 to 2024. Okay. And like I love his ability to drive the deep out, the verticals, the arm strength. Extends a lot of plays, but he does it with poise, right? he's got instincts agility enough strength to kind of ward off defenders he was only sacked 23 times in 14 games last year sellers was sack 33 times in just 12 games last year not as dynamic not as explosive an athlete but it's not just about speed agility and all those things it's about the presence the feel in the pocket setting protections all processing yeah yeah so like he's got like

this Gumby like arm, he understands defenses. He's played a lot of ball and he's going to play even more ball coming up. I just, to me, right now, if I had to kind of place a stamp on, who's your guy? And then seeing like the way he carries himself and the leadership and picking Peyton's brain after. And it's like the Manning Passing Academy is what it is and you can get, you can get a lot of good information. I'm not letting it skew. And I know so I read all the comments. I'm like, oh, the Manning Passing Academy really, really put you over the edge of certain things. I know it's good. It's good to get to know, like, who the guys are and who wants to compete. Yeah. Who processes the information and can kind of pass it along to younger guys who are trying to be in

their shoes one day. So, yeah, that's where I am on Clubnet. We could go over the tape, which we have, and I love his tape and all the things you've just said are true and all the traits. I agree with everything you've said there, I will say this. I think momentum and confidence are more important to the quarterback position than any other position, maybe in sports. And I think he's poised to have, to springboard off a really good end of the year and have a monster 20, 25. And I think that matters. I think when you look at the supporting Cassius around him, the confidence that he was playing at with at the end of the year, plus all those tools. I just think that he's going to be a guy that's going to have a big year.

everything's going to come together for him. And that's that, you know, when you're a quarterback playing with confidence, and there's another quarterback we'll talk about in a minute. I have concerns about this. But when you're playing with confidence and you really get things rolling, you look like a different player. And I think that's going to be Kate Glovenick this year. Yeah.

And it's our job as evaluators to kind of sift out, it was like put the sand in the sifter and kind of sift out the talent and the projection despite the tools around the supporting cast to a certain degree. But it's also like, it very clearly at times, and you can say the same thing, we'll get to Carson Beck in a little bit. And like,

and Drew Aller, like, is it the receivers or is the quarterback in certain things he does well, right? With Clubnik, this is a really good opportunity to show now with a full year with some younger receivers. receivers. Antonio Williams is a, he's a great playmaker, had some drops and inconsistency. Wesco, Brian Wesco is like, you're coming in, it was, it was Ryan Williams, Jeremiah Smith,

and Wesco, right? Yeah. Like the three big names in the 2024 recruiting class. So now you've got another year with those guys. You got T.J. Moore back as well. They've got dudes at receiver. Yeah. And he's got experience throwing to them. And I'm excited to see that. Like the anticipation. Is it because Club Nick struggles maybe sometimes or doesn't trust it wants to see come open a little bit? Or is it because he had really young receivers and it was smarter for him within that offense to wait for receivers to get open. Make sure they were in the right spots. The timing wasn't quite there yet. You know? So that's a, that's a step I want to see improve in his game. And the consistency with the deep ball accuracy.

Those are two things I saw in his game that I'll be looking at very closely, like under a microscope to see, is he improving now with one more year? Yeah. I get it when you're saying that. I just want to go back to this really quick. I get it when you're saying that you go and you have to sift out supporting cast sometimes and how good was a supporting cast. And I think when we talk about that,

I think about Johnny Manzell and Mike Evans at Texas A&M. I think Mike Evans really helped Johnny Manzell, right? Right. There's a, you know, Mike Evans could catch anything in the zip code, right? I do think there's also something to be said that, you know, Jaden Daniels having Malik neighbors at LSU and having those kind of players around it, but Malik neighbors specifically, really, helps build confidence. And yes, it does, it does amplify your statistics or whatever you want to say.

It does pump you up a little bit. But again, it also builds confidence. I think Jane Daniels is the confidence he had in himself as a football player when he arrived in Baton Rouge as compared to when he went to the NFL draft were vastly different human beings. And I think that's what's going to happen with Kate Klobnik is already you're seeing this from Kay Klobick was this highly recruited kid out of Texas. But I don't know. We don't know if he's going to really turn into the player he thought he was. And now I'm seeing him build confidence at the end of last year. And then I think what he can do with this offense and just reach a new level in terms of the tools are there.

for him to reach another level as a quarterback. And I'm excited to see that happen. I think that's going to happen. Same here. I'm also really excited to see Garrett Nussmeyer this year. And it bums me out when quarterbacks or any player, you know, it comes in this season with like a little bit of a cloud of like, oh, he's got this tendonitis in his knee. And it's a recurring problem.

And maybe that's why he looked like he wore down over the course of last season, not just because there was no run game. It was an atrocious run game, and he had to carry that team. But Nussmeier undersized, 6-2 listed at 200. He's probably like 6016 and 20, maybe like 208 at this point, 205, 208 is my guess at this point. Had the interceptions, I'll never forget the, we came on live, one of our first live shows coming on up that Texas A&M game and Connor,

our executive producer, Connor and Evans was like, and you put it perfectly. He was like he was feeling himself, man. You know? But it also went out on social media and it's like the first like 10 minutes of that game. It's like he was my QB1. He's my QB1. He was my QB1 in early September. He was my QB1 in August.

No, mine in July. It was like, everyone slow down. My man needs some. I know he's a fourth year player at LSU, but he's a one year starter. We're only a few games into his first year as a starter. And there's going to be some growing pains. And sure enough,

like a few minutes later, he was feeling himself, tried to throw that, it was like a deep outer or an hour, he came back to his left and through that interception. And the floodgates came rushing open, right? And it was Marcel Reed comes in and the LSU defense isn't ready. And like he went through this like three game span with like,

five interceptions and didn't really fully look like himself until late in the seasons. And then a bowl game, I thought he looked really good after he had a little rest. So I say all of that, like the tendonitis is certainly something that it's new information for me and adds a little cloud of concern. But we have a lot of time to figure that out. Let's see how we get through the season. Especially that offensive line. Brian Kelly seems to think that they got that

Offensive line figured out. Brian, did you see the quotes from Brian Kelly? About the offensive line? I've been around, and I'm paraphrasing. I've been around a lot of really good offensive lines. And I know we lost some guys to the NFL.

I think the starters in the fourth overall pick. I'm paraphrasing. I know. That's what he said. And I'm in my mind. I'm like, bro, you just lost the fourth overall pick to the New England Patriots. Like in a third round,

offensive tackle on the other side, I mean, four starters to the draft. And I'm not saying I'm not buying what he's selling because he knows better than I do. But I'm not buying it until I take it for a chest drive. You know what I mean? Like I you could tell me that offensive line is fixed and it's great and all that. We'll see.

But it does. As it relates to Nussmeyer, it's a little concerning that there's some question marks up front with the banged up knee. I hope that doesn't come into play. I hope we get to see what he can do. Yeah. And so that's obviously a big test. But going off of the tape and.

and seeing his ability to anticipate throws and his timing. The way he care. The dude's Baker Mayfield, man. When he's rolling. Oh, my gosh. He's fun. Like just the urgency he plays with how much he trusts his arm, even to a fault sometimes.

And we want to see him kind of find that sweet spot. He just plays the game with a knack. It's a bit like he's just got a knack, you know? And I just thought he's smart. You know, he's a lot of different variables. Is that obviously he's a quarterback coach? He was a quarterback in the NFL quarterback coach for a long time. Now he's the offensive coordinator for the New Orleans Saints.

Like it's in his blood, right? It's in his DNA and it's like raging through his bloodstream. And you can see it. And he plays the game with a level of confidence and understanding and in, instincts that none of these other guys do. And you want to be around this guy. You know, like he's like everyone,

whether it was basketball, baseball, football, everyone knows that guy. You know what I mean? Like, oh, I want to be around us.

The gamer, yeah. Gamer. Just like he's got this. You know what I mean? Like he's got this. Yeah. Every team that's good.

has the oh that that's my guy he's got this and you want that guy to be your quarterback or in basketball your point guard he's kind of the glue guy's not the right term but he just brings everybody together everyone's happy around him everyone's having a good time without you know without it being a clown show it's that's not what i'm saying it's it's it's tough to describe a little bit right it's tough to describe but he's like he but he's he's it right yeah he fits that so yeah i'm i'm excited but I'm also like, I hope it all comes together because because he's just so, he's so good and he's got all the things you look for. But I also say this, recognizing he's,

he's not as big as Drew Aller. He has a good arm, but it's not like, it's not like Alers or some other guys. He's not as mobile. Certainly, no one's as mobilist as, as sellers. So like, there's going to be people inside each draft room. that are like, yeah, I'm just not quite as much a nuss guy. I like him. I can see late first or like I like them,

but I'm not sure we're going to, we're going to rest our franchise on this guy. There will be those guys. I'm certain of it. Okay. So he's fascinating. But I've got him number two then there in the, in the tier one.

Sellers. And I know this is your guy. And I see why. I'm going to caveat. every single time we talk about. I really hope he plays another season after this at South Carolina, but it's my that. It's,

yeah, it's our job as evaluators. And it's different than Arch. Because, yes, Arch is eligible for the 2026 draft. And maybe he winds up coming out. Maybe he has a monster year.

He goes back and talks to Archie. He talks to his dad, talks to his uncles and says, this bubbles too much. I actually think I can develop more as a rookie somewhere. they put together a deal with the team that's going to, whether maybe the Rams moving up, Brown's moving up.

Dude, I saw a video of Jeremiah Smith doing a meet and greet at a, like a local shoe store. It is out of control. I mean, it looked like there's 20,000 people in that building. I can't imagine Arch has got to be dealing with the same stuff. I know you've mentioned it. I know it's a different guy,

but dear God, it's a different world out there. I mean, he was, he might as well have been, you know, I don't know if there's pro meeting grates like that. I mean, it was insane. Grown men waiting in line to meet this kid. It is, it's a different world.

That's the information I've gotten. And I've told you, like, I was just texting again with Archie the other day. And I'm honored to be a part of now the Manning. I'm on the voting, the small voting group for the Manning quarterback award, right? Oh, awesome. For the quarterback award, right? So, and I know he's right. That is the process.

But if, and it's a big if, and it's not something they're even entertaining. Like, we got to go play ball. We have games like, stop. And I know exactly what Archie's doing. Like, he's not like, that's not what we're planning on. That's not what we signed up for. Texas has done their part. We're going to do our part.

We're going to be here next season. Let's get the noise out of there. Let's focus on his first year as a full-time starter. But the only thing that, could change it is if this young man who is wise and mature beyond his years comes back and says, you know what, you know what, Gramps? I don't know what he calls him. Archie.

It's probably not Gramps. You know what? You know what? Namesake. You know what? Uncle Peyton, Uncle Eli. You know what, dad? You know what, Mom, I hear you.

And I try, I'm trying to, but I just think I could develop better not in this bubble of Austin, Texas. but we'll see my point in saying all this is i'm including sellers in this list because he has he does have a full year as a starter and that's the difference mendoza has a full year or levin has a full year does you consider not putting sellers on your board i did 20 years old i mean i i did too i did too but i think because there is a full year of starting experience um this would make make two full years in the SEC that it's, I don't want to say it's far more likely. It feels, it just feels more fair, more fair.

It's a different situation. It's a different situation. So with sellers, because of the type of quarterback he is, where it's mobility first, and we've seen a lot of these guys, Lamar Jackson was not a great pastor coming out. Josh Allen was wildly erratic coming out. Jalen Hertz was not a great passer. If he was so great, Nick Saban wouldn't have said,

you know, two is coming in. Okay? Yeah. They all developed. They all got better in the NFL. And you only have, like this is the difference in today's NFL,

a quarterback position, than what we're used to growing up and really up to like, I don't know, 10 years ago, is that is that quarterbacks who have the mobility can, they don't need all the answers to the test. in terms of understanding defenses, understanding protections, understanding where to go with the football. They don't have to think like Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees.

They don't have to because they have the mobility to offset that. So the answers that you don't have as a rookie, you can get by by running around and creating and extending and doing all those things that Jalen Hertz did early on, that Lamar Jackson did early on, that Josh Allen with Brian Dable did early on. Sellers has that. Yeah, it does. So what Sellers is today as a passer in terms of our film evaluation from last season is not going to be what we see in October or at the end of the season.

And it's not going to be what we see in 2020, uh, six, whether that's in the NFL or in college football. Okay. So that's why we're, we're throwing him in here. I can confidently say he's got this special trade of mobility. It's speed. It's twitchiness. It's extending.

It's instincts on the move that nobody. else in this class had. Has. Jalen Milrow had the same thing. It got him drafted in the third round. He not only didn't get better as a pastor this past year, he regressed in terms of understanding

what that new regime wanted from him. I agree. And the closer we got to the draft, the more reports we got about the frustration in Tuscaloosa with him. His accuracy in short and intermediate and timing and throwing the ball, anticipating throwing his spots, didn't

get better and in some regards like actually may have regressed. Okay. Great. Still got drafted in the third round. So this is why I put sellers in here. Like sellers is going to I like this is a like SCC honor roll. And by the way, Milro super smart too, super smart in the classroom. Just didn't translate to the field sometimes.

I see it with sellers. You know why I see it with sellers? Because you look like. early in the season last year entirely too many like he was what game was it for early on we talked about it go back and watch our our show on sellers let's maybe maybe it was LSU maybe it was it was like scary he got he got front side sack strip sacked like multiple times in like two like back-to-back games there's two or three consecutive games they were throwing the same stuff at him and he wasn't adjusting then all of a sudden the light started

to come on. So I see a guy who's going to continue to improve the mental part. And I'm certain with his mechanics and the consistency as a passer. The reporting is that he's making big time strides as a pocket passer. That's, and take it for the grain of salt. Yeah, I know, I know. I've heard the same thing. And so while scouts right now, when I talk to them are like, I don't, I don't, I don't know. Like, is he the next milro? Like, is he not going to, or is it falling more in line with what you saw in terms of the progression from the beginning of the year to the end of the year as a first year starter. And then the reports you're hearing out of South Carolina, right? So I believe in him. But what's best for him might be another year of college football.

But if he chooses to leave for the NFL, you can't tell me he's not going to be in this first year of quarterbacks. No, I agree. I mean, I, listen, I compared him to Josh Allen when we did the summer series on the quarterbacks. And I stand by that. I mean, you talked about it already. Josh Allen was not a pinpoint accurate passer coming out. But I see that same body type. I see that same kind of toughness. Well, mine is like four inches, but yeah.

How tall is a cellar? He's listed six three. I stood next to him in Tibado, so you think he's a little shorter than that. I'm going six two, but I don't know. I'm not, I'm not hell bent on it. But yeah, I see that big, strong quarterback. Yes, yes, what I see. Tightly packed.

He's listed at 240. And looking at like his lower body and that, like, that wouldn't, that doesn't surprise. I think at the end of the Missouri game where he just, I called him Superman, I thought he took over. I think he's in the mix to be the first quarterback taken. I really do believe that where we are in the process right now. We'll see how the rest of this year unfolds. You know, we're talked about a couple of the other issues with the other quarterbacks or positives, I guess in Klebnik's case. I wonder about what South Carolina surrounded him.

Nick Harbor is an absolute freak. We've talked about that, the receiver. He heard a lot of good things from him in camp too, by the way. We'll see. He has not been a polished guy up until this point. So we'll see what the supporting cast looks like for him. But again, natural ability. The thing for me, I'll take Stellar's ceiling over where Nussmeyer's ceiling.

I mean, he's got a much higher ceiling than Nussmeier. So Nussmire might be a little bit higher in terms of where he is, or a little bit better in terms of where he is in the process of developing as a quarterback, but I actually have sellers ahead of Osprey. I have sellers right next to Clubnik. Yeah, and I'm fine with that. Tier two. Fernando Mendoza.

Let's throw that up, Tucker, with the tiers again. Fernando Mendoza from Indiana, Sam Levitt from Arizona State and Drew Aller from Penn State, obviously. We'll get to Aller in a minute, and I can already, I can feel my, my phone getting warmer from all the comments and responses on Aller. And I do want to say this. I'm not blind. I actually likes a lot,

like a lot of things I see on tape. I think he's a competitive son of a gun. I think he plays more, it's hard to explain, more athletic than he actually is because he's so competitive. He's got instincts on when to take off, where to take off, what situations in which to take off.

He grinds out first downs when, they need it and and he got so much better in 2024 than he was in 2023 like marked improvement are we get into him now or we just we'll just get into him now i mean you're already you're already starting to talk about him sure yeah i went back because the question is why isn't he at at least at the bottom of tier one and holy shit why is he at the bottom of tier two todd so go ahead yeah i would i you know what i i guess i'll just throw it back to you i went back and watched everything and after watching him again I would say holy shit top wise enough at least at the top of tier two because I do think he's in that he's right in that mix to be maybe the fourth quarterback

in tier one let me say this and I want to you say he got better last year I agree on some level let's be like I went back and looked he completed 53.2% of his passes with six touchdowns and three interceptions over the last four games of the season the game's the matter the most he didn't get better as the season progressed he got bet his play as a whole in 2024 was better than 2023 is my but when it mattered most when he had to have big games now mensch the supporting cast wasn't great i understand that sporting cast wasn't great and there's a big but coming penn state fans so just hear me out but that those are not good numbers and i am concerned about can he elevate in those big game situations this is year three as a starter let's see you do it on the flip side and he's in

He is wildly inconsistent to me. The footwork gets inconsistent. He misses throws that he makes. But when he makes throws that other guys don't make to. And there are some just unbelievable, beautiful throws on tape where he gets the bow out on time. His ability in terms of anticipation, arm strength, the way he drives into windows over the middle of the field is unique. The way he drives scene balls, whole balls. There are certain throws that he's just really good at making.

and you look at his size and you are i i couldn't agree with you more the way you say it he is he plays more athletic than he actually is i don't think he's no other way of saying it i don't think he i think he's going to go to the combine and i doubt he tests because i'm guessing those testing numbers weren't he's not running he's never running a for but throw on the tape he's running for a first down he's he's buying a little extra time he's moving around the pocket he he can he is mobile enough you know when you look at a guy who's what is he six three 245. I think he's 2.45. He's 245. 238 is what he's listed.

2.38. Okay. So good thing you said that. But he's a big, big quarterback. And for a guy who's that big, they usually don't, they have some heavy feet. But he moves around all right. I went back and I watched and I thought. I think he has heavy feet, but go ahead. There are concerns about certain games and I want to see him elevate again. Hopefully they've put a better supporting cast on it. People seem to think that that's going to be the case.

We'll see. But there is a lot of talent there, man. There is a lot of talent. And I would put him ahead of Mendoza and who is the other guy you had in tier two? Sam Levitt. Yeah, I will put him ahead of Mendoza and Levitt. I think he's more in that mix of Tier 1. Listen, he is big, he's smart, he's tough, he's strong, he's competitive.

He sees the entire field. He goes through his progressions quickly. And my goodness, he has an easy stroke and a ton of energy on the football. I love his throwing motion, man. I love his throw emotion, man. I love his throw emotion. He's central casting with so many elements of the position. But he's one of the most complex quarterback evaluations I can remember,

at least in a long time. Because there's two things that really irk me. And it's not even including the big games. I'm talking about the traits. I'm talking about what I see on tape. And yes, that has to be monitored. this year. As he enters the season, and we'll get to, we're going to start with 9 through or 10 through 12. We're going to do our top 12 rankings coming up,

starting this week and then into early next week, okay? We're going to go through the top 12 teams in four different shows. And he's loaded, and they're going to be up there in the top three. I can tell you that right now. Spoiler alert. The agility is concerning because he gets away with it with all those things we just talked about, the instincts, the feel, the toughness, the competitive, all those things, I just don't know against NFL pass rushers. And maybe that's part of why in big games. Big games happen against talented teams. Talented teams typically have dudes up front defensively who are running 4-5, 4-6, 4-7 at the worst,

at 250, 260 pounds. Right. Guys who are running 4-9 at 305 pounds, tracking his ass down. okay and getting him down so I want to see a little bit more agile and I know it's like we had one off season what do you think he's going to be like a ballerina no but I think but I do know when you combine it with fast processing and speeding things up with like agility work all off season and getting his body even better and even more right I want to see a little bit later fleet of foot aller that's the easy part the hard part to evaluate and go back and watch our show

show. I go into so much more detail, and we don't have time today. We're not doing the deep dive that we already did. But is it the wide receivers? Or is it because they know he is so much more effective throwing kind of middle field, in breaking where he's looking at it, comebacks, receivers open, guys where he can see the jersey number in front of him. I don't remember a single quarterback I've ever evaluated that's at this level where we're talking about potentially first round where I'm like there's some kind of visualization problem and I don't know if that's the stem or the root of it but there's something with receivers that are moving away from him post corners rolled outs flares out of the backfield you know like out let jumpoffs I started watching

it again yesterday I was like oh maybe it's not as pronounced as big she thinks it is maybe it's not there and then it was you know that leonardo decaprio uh meme from once upon a time in hollywood where he's like pointing at the screen he's like oh oh oh there it is there it is there was there was more than a handful of throws where i was like oh that's there it is again there it is again and he makes them every once in a while it's not like he misses all of them but there are enough to be concerned so there's a new supporting cast they brought in transfer portal brought in some receivers they've got a young guy or two that is elevating.

And so like, so let's see. Maybe it, maybe he just wasn't comfortable. Maybe the receivers weren't, we're going to find out though. So this is an important year for Aller. Also an important year, Fernando Mendoza, new system going from Cal to Indiana, okay? Um, I think the system fits in perfectly. It's not a huge departure from what he was doing at Cal. There's going to be a little bit more of that run, run element like design run.

stuff, which I think he's going to provide a big time boost for Indiana in terms of what they get out of that position, create some numbers in the run game, keep defenses a little bit more honest, right? But I'm kind and I want, this was your point, and I totally agree. And as you watch more tape as the season progressed last year at Cal, it became more pronounced. Just like my complaints or filing my grievances against Aller, I went back and watched more. because you file the grievance on there's just too many turnover worthy plays. Right. Like just mistakes you can't make.

So now I want to see in year two with new receivers, with a new environment, with new supporting cast in a system that's not completely, you know, different from what he did at Cal, but it's still a new system, new coaches. Can he cut down on those mistakes? Can he protect the football, make sounder, smarter decisions, not make make certain throws that he was making. Because it kind of felt at times to me, like the game was moving too fast.

The moment was too big. It didn't see something. Like it just was a, can it slow down for him this year? Because what I see is a guy who's 6-5-225 runs well, more importantly than just as importantly as the runs well, throws really well on the run right and left. Like on the move,

he's very accurate. I would argue almost. I remember what's like, is he more accurate on the move than he is like actually in the pocket? So I just, I want to see more patience as a passer, but those traits, man, like inside and outside the pocket, I saw a touch on his throws. I saw some timing on his throws. I saw the mobility. I saw the instincts.

But kind of patience in the pocket and making better decisions, those are going to be critical for Mendoza. And then Leavitt, like, he's Jared Gough to me. Like, I just really, right?

He's almost J. McCarty of that class, too. I'm telling you, and I made that comparison, I know already, but he's the sneaky guy in this group.

I know this is, he's, this is his second year as a starter. We'll see if he comes out. He's the guy that I think when you get deeper into the draft process, he start hearing the teams like him more than maybe the media scouts.

That's where I am. with him. So it's not as much of an indictment. I just want to make this point real quickly and go with it. It's not as much of an indictment on Aller that I've got him below those other two guys. It's me planting a flag saying, I know there's some buzz and some love. And sometimes there's like too much that goes like preseason. Everyone's trying to make sure that they make their statement and Mendoza this and love it. Like, no, I'm telling you, I actually think both of those guys have a chance to be, whether it's first round or like starting. NFL quarterbacks.

True. I look at Levin, I think there's going to be some buzz that will build. People will look and be like, oh, he's in the Big 12. Maybe Arizona State has a step back after Scada will leaving, and they don't have the same kind of year that they just, they just had this magical run. It's going to be kind of tough for them to do it again. But I think scouts are going to love him because of the way his play action game is. He's got some pro style to him.

It will be his second year. He's a competitive dude. He's super competitive guy. I think scouts are going to fall in love with him and be like, you know, middle of the first round. I don't know, man. Like maybe this kid, and we'll see how it all unfolds. Again, maybe not come out this year.

But I think he's one of those guys. When you get close to the draft, there's going to be some building momentum for him. Speaking of, I think it can be a starter in the league and building momentum. Let's get to Tier 3. Pull it up, Tucker, if you don't mind. I think John Matier can be a starting quarterback in the NFL.

And more importantly, in this quest for young Mr. Mateer, I've talked to a couple of different scouts recently who agree. No, no way this guy, if he performs this year, no way this guy gets out of the second round, I think he could wind up being in the first round is what I was told. Okay. Top 100, absolutely. Okay.

But my goodness is a player. Does a player at any position, did a player at any position sign up? for more of a one-year free agent, prove-it opportunity, than mater. And it falls in line with who this guy is. Right. Because I've now been able to talk to some people at Oklahoma that know, and have been around him now, and are like, no, this guy's the deal. This guy is that he's, he's for real.

Yeah, on the field, we see this up, but like off the field, locker room. meeting room, in the strength and conditioning, all of it. Leader, competitor, like never stops. Like blinding love for the game and competing in his guys and all that. So it takes that kind of craze lunatic to sign up for this, right? Have you looked at Oklahoma's schedule, son? I have. We're going to get into this because they're in your, another spoil alert.

they're in your top 12 and I have a I have a big time question with you about how you think they're going to they're going to get through that I mean it's yeah it's who do they they've Michigan early on right in another and then they've got they've got this gauntlet okay it's murderers row Texas right here yeah Texas South Carolina Ole Miss Tennessee Alabama Missouri and LSU yeah and the regular season at South Carolina of two, by the way, which is different. He could have just stayed at Washington State. He could have transferred to a bunch of different places.

He's saying, throw him a hat in the ring. Because you know what? Take all the Johnny Mansell nonsense and all the off the field problems that we now are certain of and probably even more than people speculated at the time that he was dealing with. Johnny Mansell got to play against Alabama, got to go prove it. Baker Mayfield got to go prove it, right? Yep.

And they weren't SEC, I don't think of the time, but he played that Georgia team in the Rose Bowl. I was on the field for that game. And they more than did their part over time, back and forth, but, but, blah, blah. It's kind of cut from that same Texas high school football. Kyler Murray, same deal, baseball player. He's going to go play.

He was number nine overall pick for the Oakland A's. He's going to go play baseball. Like, nah, he's playing football. But does that work? He's undersized. He runs around. It's crazy. It's like mayhem.

Those guys played SEC ball, big time football, big time games. He stays at Washington State. You feel good about him on day two. He goes to the SEC now. And that schedule, okay? If he performs that that schedule, everyone who has any doubt, including myself, like those mechanics are a disaster. he doing like flicking his wrists his arm angles or all over the place why is he taking three steps away

after the end of his follow through like none of that shit matters mensch right is the result and i learned from one of my biggest mistakes my homes i was too caught up in the in the mechanics and the footwork and the little things and i didn't put enough focus on the result the throws where they landed how he got it there the you know and so mityer is in that my homes Baker, Kyler, Johnny football. He's kind of cut from that same cloth where it's mayhem. It's dizzying, right?

I love it. But it's awesome. It's so much fun. But by signing up for this and he knew the schedule, he knew who they were playing. He's like, yeah, I'm good. I know I can. And I'm bringing my offensive coordinator with me.

and we're going to do the same shit, our buckle and I that we did at Washington State, and it's going to work in the SEC. Let's go. Because he could have transferred somewhere else. He could have stayed at Washington State, put up big numbers, and everyone's like, oh, that's great. I wonder what he would have done in the SEC. So this is like a free agent, one year bet on myself deal,

and he's going in like straight into the lion's debt. Yeah, he is. My work's done. your work is an evaluator. Scouts throughout the league's work like popcorn. The tape's going to tell us. Right. The tape is absolutely going to tell us.

Does all this crazy mayhem like 60 minutes of hell, like old Arkansas basketball, whatever that was, what was it, 40 minutes of hell, right? Yeah. Is that going to work at a level that very close, that is the closest thing that we have in a developmental league, if you will, that emulates what he's going to see in the NFL. Can't wait to see it.

It's literally, I was talking to Dan yesterday. It's literally of all the storylines and all of college football, what Mateer does at Oklahoma is my number one storyline coming into this season. Really? Maybe number two behind Arch. I was going to say. Yeah. So it's Arch and Mateer.

Okay. And you know what? Viewers are fascinating. You know what did our best numbers of any show that we did the entire offseason? Which, uh, the, the passing cat in one word. Sette here on his own? Mateer on his own.

No way. Fans, no. Fans are, fans are, fans are hip. Like audiences are hip. College football people know. Like, what is going on? What is the story? Mateer's the story.

That's crazy. A year ago we were talking about him, you know, not even a year ago. I mean, we're talking about him doing things in Washington State like, yeah, but, you know, it's must watch TV, but maybe not for the NFL.

Here we go, we'll see. Two other guys on this tier three list. Carson Beck from at Miami now and Sawyer Robertson, Baylor, going in his second year of Baylor, okay? Robertson's my,

let's go to Robert and we'll finish with Beck. Robertson's my like, I want to make sure you know about this guy. There's something there. You should know about it. I watched his tape. I think Baylor's underrated coming into the year. I think Robertson's underrated coming into the year.

I think he kind of got lost down there in the Big 12 team that wasn't great last season. He's got size. He's got mobility. He's creative, pleasantly surprised. He's just a natural playmaker. He leads receivers open. Came to that Manning Passing Academy. You know why I did his tape?

Because you saw him down there. And on Friday night, I told you it was like, It was like talking to like God. It was like religion. You know, you hear like, like religion, but a God, family, football. Like it felt like it was all in one place that one night on Friday night lights in Tibado, Louisiana. And it was an arch, the son and grandson of and the nephew of.

It wasn't Nuss. It wasn't Clubnik. It wasn't sellers. You know who kicked everyone's ass? Robertson. on the move mobility also pocket throws most accurate hit all the targets like and and did it like no problem it's pretty cool to see um Carson Wentz Jordan Love those are two guys that I was kind of thinking back on where it was like when I like like coming into the year just keep an

eye on these guys like there's stuff I like yeah and then they wind up going where they went. Went to one number two overall. There was a little more hype. He was just from NIFS. Yeah. Love was kind of like this big question mark throughout the whole process. What did he go?

19 to Green Bay or whatever. Yeah, it was in the middle of cars, I think. Yeah. So I'm not saying Robertson's going to be that. I'm not trying to put like a target on his back or anything. I'm just saying keep an eye on this guy. There's something more there.

Carson Beck, though. We talked about Mathier. We'll wrap up with Carson here. We talked about Mateer and what he's signed up for. And like, let's go. Lions Den, gun barrel. I'm up for it.

That guy have a different feeling on. It's not as risky, but it would like if he had a, if he has a PR firm, like if there was such thing, let's say as a football PR firm, they, and he hired them. It would be one of the most brilliant jobs.

The more I've like sat back and thought about this. I can't wait to hear this. Go ahead. I thought, I've spent a little time yesterday thinking about it. It's almost like he went to this, like the top of the line, the, the best PR football PR firm in the world. Okay. What's my next step?

Georgia's willing to let me go. I've kind of run the course here. Yeah, you said the shelf life was over. My shelf life was over at Georgia. They're happy to take Gunner Stockton on who's not as talented, not. not as big, not as enough the arm, all the things as me. Because they want a fresh breath, a breath of fresh air. They want someone who's like a program, like they're yearning for one of them.

Beck goes down to Miami. It's who's he dating. Who's he now broken up with? Who is he doing this, that, the other thing. It's Lamborghinis. It's Lamborghini stolen. It's all this stuff. But lost in all that in the off season was the fact that,

He's going to a Miami football program that's not in the SEC. He's not dealing with all like that madness. There's madness, but it's not that madness. There's nothing like the SEC madness, like the fan base. They're breaking into quarterbacks, social medias and Venmos and everything, almost on the daily now. It's a little bit quieter down there in South Florida. A little bit more of a ball, like isolated, right?

And he's going in and now every report, it is. Man, this guy's, he's like a leader. He's showing up early, staying late. He's doing all the right things. Teammates love him. On the field, his accuracy's improved, really fitting in the system, more decisive, seeing it. Like the reports now, and it's almost like this PR firm said, wait, wait, wait until like the week before the season, 10 days, two weeks before the season, and then start leaking this stuff. Now, obviously, I'm making all this. This is like me just kind of being, you know, tongue in cheek.

But honestly, it couldn't play out any better. And oh, by the way, that Miami teams loaded, that offensive line with Christobal. Right? Yeah, the offensive line's great. I think the running game's going to be great. we'll see about that passing attack. They lost their top six receivers. We'll get to on Friday.

We're going to get to Miami as well. But there's a lot of talented guys and reports are coming out. They're like this group could be better than even with like even with Horton leaving. So my point is this. Beck gets this kind of pass and fresh start. And it's amazing what one year can do to rehabilitate a repubilitate a repubilate. a reputation and to force people to look at you very different. And if he goes out and has a monster year and Miami's in the mix at the end like they were

with Cam Ward last year, and they're putting up big numbers and the offense is running, and he's a little bit more accurate and his receivers aren't having to work for it the way they did at Georgia. You know what becomes the storyline? Georgia doesn't take care of their receivers or their passing game. They are a defensive program that runs the football and has really good tight ends, and the tight ends kind of suck the year after they lost the best titan that they had ever had in Brock Bowers. Arguably the best tight end that ever played college football.

Like, you know, it was the receivers and they struggled with drops and they weren't in the right place. And now he gets somewhere where it's a system that fits him that's passing friendly. Cam Ward was there and he had a huge year. Bet comes in. He has a huge year. Shannon's an awesome developer. You watch how quickly the rhetoric around Carson Beck will change if he does his part in the next couple months. We'll see.

I mean, they open with Notre Dame. It's going to be a real eye, but we're right there. We'll see how good that that preseason team is against a Notre Dame. But it's all manageable. Yes, agree. It is. He could also take him. And they got Florida on the 20th.

I'm pulling it up right now. Florida on the 20th. But it's manageable after that. You got FSU on the fourth. Let's see how good they are. Yeah, we'll see. It's supposed to be a lot better, but we'll see. They got a buy and then Louisville on October 17th.

And then it's just kind of a normal ACCC run in November. There's five games. SMU is going to be really good. So you're looking at like, yes, Notre Dame, Florida, and SMU is three really tough games. But then it's Syracuse, NC State, Virginia Tech, Pitt, like all good programs. But it ain't. Texas, South Carolina, Michigan, Texas, South Carolina, Ole Miss, Tennessee, Alabama, Missouri, and LSU, right?

There's enough meat on that bone, though. If he does do well against Notre Dame, if he does do well against Florida, the flip side of that argument is there's enough meat on that bone because also there's a potential Clubnik matchup in the ACC championship game, right? Miami could play Clemson in the ACC championship game. That would be a great, you know,

that would be a great storyline for Beck to get there and play. well yeah so there's you know there's there's there's the other way of looking at it so yeah i got a fresh start it could help it could help them and we and we got a fresh start starting on wednesday top 12 we're going to go 10 through 12 on wednesday friday we're back three times a week just just stick with us we're rocking and rolling now three times three times a week for the mitchie show now through the college football season that's all you need to know um appreciate you being here for another five star Munch. Five stars. Five stars. See you.