The McShay Show - Week 13 Reactions: Dante's Dilemma, Mateer's Chaos, and Lane Kiffin's Future | The McShay Show

Episode Date: November 23, 2025

Join Todd and Muench every Saturday night throughout the College Football season to recap and react to the biggest games, plays and prospect performances. 0:00 Welcome to The McShay Show! 1:45 Best things we saw today 16:40 (7) Oregon Defeats (15) USC: 42-2738:30 (8) Oklahoma Defeats (22) Missouri: 17-655:20 Jeremiyah Love's Heisman Case (171 Yards, 3 TDs)59:15 (17) Texas Defeats Arkansas: 52-371:04:15 Week 13 Takeaways1:09:47 TMS Top 12 1:24:35 What's Next for Lane Kiffin? The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Shop Duluth Trading Co Online & In-store Host: Todd McShay Guest: Steve Muench Producers: Tucker Tashjian, Conor Nevins, Daniel Comer Social: Alysha Tsuji Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Let's get to it. And honestly, we put some more effort today into the best things we saw, because the football wasn't living up, but social media never lets us down. Never lets us down. All right, Tucker, let's roll it, man. Everyone's waiting. Fucking Dr. Shin, man.

How about the horns down? Look at the horns down. That's great. I mean, let's not get into the past. Mater is not throwing the ball the same way he was before the thumb injury. But the You had to. You couldn't leave it alone.

You just couldn't have a good story. That guy's a magician, man. I thought it was all a farce. I didn't think there was a chance. I thought it was a venable stunt. I didn't think there was any chance. What was it? How many of it?

20 days later, he's back from breaking his thumb on his throwing hand. It's like Kurt Schilling with a bloody sock. I mean, it makes no sense. I'll go to Serge. I don't care. what extremity. I don't care if it's heart surgery. Shin Shin's my guy.

Yeah, listen, not to take something really fun and make it serious, but it just goes to show you what it takes to win at that level and all, like the staff, you have to have a great medical staff behind you as well. I mean, it just it's incredible. Incredible where Oklahoma hit is when you look back at that.

I mean, I'll be honest, when I saw that injury and he was going to be out for an extended period of time, let's go. Good run by Oklahoma, but they're not going to be able to They're building something nice. Yeah. Nagy's in the GM and got the right coordinator and hopefully Mater's back next. But here we are.

Dr. Shin wasn't having it, man. No, man. Horns down. Orens down. All right. What do we get next talk? Oh, this is great. Oh, my God.

I love you and showing me these. This is at the Harvard Yale game, man. College football campus tour. Thank you, thank you for sharing this. I mean, you know, you're right. You know you're at an Ivy League game when you're looking through the hat. And you see a beanie. Yale physics beanie.

It's beautiful. Hey, by the way, Yale, Harvard. That was, I guess, a Yale Beanie physics. And Yale, congratulations to Yale. undefeated. Harvard was undefeated going into that game. Yeah. Yeah, nine and one, I think it was. And or they finished the season nine and one. But Yale with that win secures the spot in the FCS playoffs.

Some upset people in Cambridge tonight, man. They are there. Yeah. Yeah, I know. You can hear it. Lunch money. While we're on it, by the way, people screaming down the street.

I had the, I probably should have found a video. I've given them a lot of love, so they don't need anymore. And it's just one small high school in all the country. And we've covered a lot of the high schools in the last few weeks. But I had the pleasure today, man, packing up the kids, Mia, Tate and Allaire, to go see AJ's just a sophomore. So he's not plays on the JV. He's not playing a lot in the varsity. But I've been going to a lot of the games here in Cohasset, Mass, right?

We moved almost four years ago now. This tiny little town with 9,000 people in it. and only like 100, maybe 100 people, 100 students in the graduating class. This Cohasset team is beaten like a Division 2 team, a Division 3 team. They're Division 7, Small School. They won today against Northbridge, 35 to 15 up in Woburn, Mass. And we were up there for that game, and they put it on Northbridge. They're now 3 in the playoffs.

You know what their reward is, man? you know how cool. I get goosebumps talk about it. They get to go away on December 4th at 5.30 p.m. at Gillette Stadium. Yeah. To win the Super Bowl,

the state title in their division. How cool is that? That day is great for Massachusetts football because I think there's like five or six games that day. They just stack them. It's like that day and another. I forget exactly how it goes, but, but you know.

Yeah, maybe I have that a little wrong. Yeah. Oh yeah, whatever it is. And it's, you know, it's on local. It's pretty cool. Yeah, so, and every state has it. And I understand that Massachusetts state football is not as big as Texas

in California and Florida. But it was just really cool to be a part of it. And like all the big games I've gone to and like watching, you know, whether it's the swamp or I've literally been to every single one of these stadiums and all the traditions and all that stuff. But to go back to high school and like just to like feel that energy, it's like hard not to get goosebumps. And to know how.

Like I was one play away from playing. And it wasn't, it was Foxborough Stadium back in 1999, like literally one play away. I'll never forget it, have my own regrets. But to see that those young men get that, it was really cool. What kind of offense is Cohasset running? It's one of the best coach teams, man. They're Gus Green, not to Gus Green. They're running.

Yeah, let's go. 27 touchdowns. He broke the Cohasset school record today with 27 touchdowns. running back. You got Wildfire, Michael Wildfire, the quarterback. They're just efficient, man. They're just efficient.

I like it. They're big up front, tough. Yeah, so it's been fun to watch. All right, we got, speaking of high school, let's flip it. Tom Pelisaro with his own, yeah, read this one, Mitch. The Edina. I look this up.

It's Edina Hornets football team. Just won their first Minnesota State Championship since 1978 with the Chicago Black Hawk's first round draft pick playing his senior year quarterback and the hockey team's goalie scoring six touchdowns in the title game. Play sports have fun, nothing like that. That's from Tom Pellasaro.

Unbelievable story that this kid, Mason West, is a, I think he's the 29th pick in the first round. He's a center for the Chicago Blackhawks. During his interview process during the draft, said, I'm going back. I want to play high school football in my senior year. I want to go through that whole process. I want to play with my teammates.

I believe his name is Mason West. And Chase Buregard, who's the hockey goalie. The goalie on the high school team had six touchdowns in this game, four rushing, two catching, two receiving. I think another really cool part of the story is that West isn't the first quarterback who was a hockey star to play for that school. Anders Lee, the captain for the New York Islanders, played quarterback for the Edina Hornets as well, and was the Minnesota Gatorade football player of the year in 2008. So there's a little bit of history there, too, with that school.

I think it's just this, we talk about this a lot, and it comes up a lot, how specialized high school sports have become. And I think whether that's for hockey, or if you're going to be a, you're going to play for the Blackhawks one day, or whatever it is, how specialized sports, sports are and how important it is for players, the parents get caught up in it a little bit. And I think it's important for high school kids to play a number of different sports. And when you look at the draft and you look at players that are drafted in the NFL and

how many of them played more than one sport in high school, it's an overwhelming amount. It's just, it's just have fun, man, when you're young. Go out there and play what you want to play. Play all, you know, like, this guy's not a star. I mean, the goalie for the hockey team is the guy I really won this game for them. the quarterback had some nice plays over the course of the year I saw, but like really it was the goalie. But this kid who's going to be a center for the Blackhawks

wants to go back and play with his boys because it means something to him. Playing for that high school team meant something to him. I think that's just great. That's really cool. And really nice job chronicling that. I do love our, I do love the folks on our chat, though. Like, like, no, no, they're not killing you.

It's like, We got Tate coming in and giving you 152 days to the draft. We're talking about high school football. And they're like, yeah, like, Shador's throwing two picks tomorrow. Three sacks minimum. The Raiders, Kiffin, Florida, Max Krosby. Like, they just like, stop. Like, they'll come back to us when we're talking ball.

Like, when we're talking what's relevant. All right. All right. Speaking of fun, and I don't care what's going on in the chat right now, no offense. they have a life of their own. I threw this in last minute. I just happened to come across this like 20 minutes before we came on. I just love it. Reddit College Football, at Reddit College Football.

Basically, there's a Reddit page, right, where the USC and Oregon folks were going at each other the whole game, right? And as they said, like, it started to get some sloppy discipline penalties in the end of the game. And so the Reddit's kind of following along. And this USC guy, Fragrant Analysis, 181. My coach used to say, if you had any energy at the end of the game to be angry and be an ass, you didn't, like basically, if you can still have the energy to be angry and to be an ass,

like to go create, go have a penalty or some kind of, you know, some kind of, you know, flagrant or personal foul. Flagrant. You didn't spend enough energy during the rest of the game. Then killing time for now from an Oregon fan, Jumson says, I don't know who your coach was, but he's a real one for saying it. And then Charlemagne of the USA, also an Oregon fan, writes Signetti, obviously. And then Fragrant from USC comes back.

It's like, if Signetti was a fat Hawaiian dude with a long beard, a long braid, and full sleeves tattoos, then I'd say this is accurate. And Donnie do nothing from Ohio State of Buckeye Finn just kind of jumps in the frame. out of nowhere and right maybe he was we don't know people change oh man i just love it all right with nothing better to do i love it you had something you that came across your that you wanted to share so go ahead this is wild to me rice is hosting north texas who's 22 in the eight people they're not ranked in the playoff ranks but they're 22 and the eight people have had a north texas had a really good year and so Rice wanted to get the students in the stands

and so they offered a free 12 ounce beer I think they gave T-shirts to the first 500 kids who showed up They gave vouchers and juries too I saw it and jerry's ice cream which I mean let's be honest I'm a big guy that alone would have got me in the building but the free beer is obviously going to be the headline

I got to be honestly let me say the first time I read this I was kind of like really we got to get is it that bad at Rice and then I read the article and one of the women who was promoting that that promotion made a great point that I was missing, and that is that it is the weekend before Thanksgiving. And a lot of these kids are going home, and you're trying to get them to stay and to, you know, cheer on the team.

And so maybe you throw them some free beer. Now, I do think it's a real good idea, a great idea to make it one 12-ounce beer for your 21-and-older students. whatever. The headline here is... The headline makes it sound like Cag stands on the way in. You know what I mean? Like, we're going to just... And let me tell you something. If you start giving out free beer to students,

I'm going to follow up... I'm going to follow up and show you this is what happens at Texas A&M. This is from the Texas A&M police, which, by the way, have been under scrutiny recently. Public intoxication. This is a report, right, from the game. Public intoxication, Section 121.

Intoxicated subject found staring at a wall Released to Sober Girlfriend Ejected Oh What is that hashtag BTH? I don't know BTAH I love Sanford But 1.6 million views Something tells me the Texas A&M police have never gotten

1.6 million impressions on an ex post That is a that is a dense tweet, by the way. I mean, it's short, but there's a lot in there. One, why is he staring at the wall? Two, did they, did they give their girlfriend a breathalyzer? How sure were they that she was sober? Release makes

it sound like they let him go on his way and then ejected sounds like he was kicked out. There's a lot of stuff going on. We didn't arrest it. Because a very, because a girl who appeared to be sober said, he's my boyfriend, I'll get him home. They're like, fine, but you got to leave. He can't

keep staring at the wall. We can't, we We can't have grown men staring at walls. They're so effed up. All right. Oh, man. We had to liven up today. And that certainly did it for us. All right.

Let's circle back, man. Let's circle back and let's talk about, I just don't even know how much we want. Like, I'm looking at scores that are brutal. I'm looking at Pitt pulling away and two touchdowns over Georgia. Tech. I'm looking at 31 to 11 was the final and it wasn't. Are you not even going to give me my flowers on the pit

pit thing by the way? Are we just going to ignore the flowers for mention on that one? I told you they were going to get, I told you they were going to get one of them. Notre Dame, Georgia Tech or Georgia, I mean now or Miami. Pit plays Miami next, right? I told you they would get one of them and I should have

known that it was going to be Georgia Tech, but they did. They ended up getting one of them. Yeah, well, there's your flowers. You just gave them to yourself. You're the worst. I know. It took me 20 minutes and stopped missing you. You abandoned me for a week, so you knew it wasn't going to come without any punishment.

I want to save the SEC stuff. I want to save Tennessee, Florida to later. I want to save Texas. I want to save Texas and what they did today against Arkansas for later. I want to start off for the best game of the day. USC Oregon? Yeah. All right.

Then go ahead. You start with wherever you want on that. I think that one of the things that jumped out to me, and I know he had two touchdowns, and he had two receiving touchdowns and throwing touchdown in this game, but there was no way Oregon was going to let Mackay Lemon beat him in this game. It was so obvious.

He was bracketed from beginning to end, and I thought that Jaden Kennedy, I think I'm saying that name right, Jaden Kennedy, the nickel safety or the nickel, you know, corner, what everyone would call him, I would call him a nickel safety. he was competitive and aggressive underneath because he knew he had help over the top, and they made that comment during the broadcast.

And I thought it was very accurate. They were not going to let Mikhail M.Killem and take that game over. And Jacoby Lane almost made him pay for it. He made some really nice plays in this game, and it was interesting. But when you do the autopsy of this USC team at the end of the year, why they weren't able to get over the hump, I think you'll look at some of the problems they had stopping the run, some of the injuries they had

along the offensive line, and that kind of ties into their inability to run the ball against Oregon today. So I think it was injuries up front and they had some problems stopping the run on the defensive side of the ball. And that's really ultimately what killed them. I did find it interesting. This guy,

Tanuk Hines, from USC, right? Man, he popped today. Because Jacoby Lane, like, he had solid production. And he did he did his part when when the defense's tape is if you want to see respect for a wide receiver, go study this tape. Go study the level of respect that Dan Lannning and that Oregon coaching staff has for a wide receiver. You'll see it against, against McKay Lemon. And we've talked ad nauseum about Lemon.

I went on and on last week again about Lemon Munch. And one of my tape trues on Monday was about Mackay Lemon. Like this guy is for real. He was giving me Ladd-McConkie vibes and Mecca-Buka vibes. And why those two? Because he just everything he's doing looks so ready for the NFL that he's going to step on an NFL field and he's going to be productive right away. And he might have a monster rookie year.

He's that type of guy. Okay. He may not be the next Calvin Johnson. He may not be the next Randy Maher. But I'm saying like if you're if you're one of those teams picking it mid to late first and you're a potential playoff team and you need immediate production like the Buccaneers needed, right? This is the kind of guy. That's what I'm seeing on tape because I really went back and studied. I've studied a lot of his tape over the year.

But my point in all of this is with that attention being given and Jacoby's getting his but not like massive production in the first half, this guy, Tinoq Hines comes in. His season high this year was five catches for 67 yards against Notre Dame. Tanuk Heinz. Tanuk, Tanuk. At halftime, Mench, he had five catches for 137 in a touchdown. Now, he only finished with six for 141 and one, so they took him away in the second half as well. But I thought that that was interesting.

I also thought, and listen, USC's gone. This was their last shot. Yeah. And I talked to you about them in the preseason. I'm like, I think this team's better than people are giving them credit. And you know what?

They are. And they're heading in the right direction. We'll see what happens with Lincoln Riley. There's a lot of buzz now. If it ain't Lane at Florida, maybe it's maybe it's Lincoln Riley going. I don't think that's the case, but we'll see how this all shakes out.

And we'll get to Lane Kiffin and kind of what I'm hearing and what's being posted out there in a minute. And obviously the report's coming in. But this USC is a program is finally you feel it's trending in the right direction. The biggest problem for USC is they could not run the football. And when you're taking away a receiver like that and you still have two other guys that are producing, like there's got to be a run game. And over time, that kind of war on USC.

And Oregon had a brilliant approach defensively for them, even though they gave up like whatever turn it would be 27 points in that game. And this Oregon defense is not elite. it's certainly a good group. The thing that stood out to me the most, Munch, if I'm being honest, to Corey and Moore is still out. Yeah. A wide receiver.

Gary Bryant Jr. is out again this week. So you come into the game. Oh, and by the way, Evan Stewart, a potential first round talent, was lost in the preseason. You're talking about your top three guys right there, not playing. And your fourth guy, Jeremiah McClellan had two catches for whatever, was yards, he gets injured and he's out the rest of the game. So you're now down. Your four best receivers, what you thought it was going to be in whatever, July.

Yep. And Dante Moore is still efficient as hell, man. You know, like 13 of 18 in the first up. I'm watching it's 13 of 18 in the first half. And let me pull it up here. 22 of 30 for 2, 27, 2 touchdowns, one interception. But again, with a decimated receiving core. And I like Malik Benson, but he's supposed to be, he's supposed to be three, maybe four on this, in terms of options at this point. So I hear you, man. I just, I thought it was an impressive performance by him kind of keeping things together.

And in this run game, this run game that we talked about, I remember we did one of the tape trues several weeks ago. Like the state of the run game for Oregon, because why is it that they have 95 running backs, and none of them's the, the, the guy, transfer, and who, like, Mackay Hughes, yeah. Yeah, Mackay Hughes.

Nothing wants to work for me tonight, and that's fine. We'll just keep fighting, Mitch. Here we go. Me or the computer, I don't know what you're talking about. No, you're doing great. It's just my computer. Okay. But Noah Wittington, as I mentioned a while back.

They finally at about week five or six of the season found their rhythm at running back. And it was the old, the gray beard, Wittington, at running back. And again, he just keeps producing every single. Can I say something really quickly? Yes. When you talked about him, I was like, yeah, I like him too, McShay. But those young backs, man, that's where it's at. They need to get those young backs more involved.

And Wittington's a nice piece and all. And then I watched him today and I got it. I am with you now. I understand that dude just runs. He is the, he's the Bucky Irving, right? He's that undersized back that's going to run so goddamn hard that you're like, how is that guy?

You know, he's not that big. He's not that fast, but he is that good. I'm all in on Winnington at this point. That run game was awesome. Yeah, I mean, you look since the middle of October,

11 for 125 against Rutgers, 1497 for 97 against Wisconsin. 17 for 118 against Iowa. Limited against Minnesota because they just put it on them early. He only eight carries, but average nine yards per carry, 72 yards. And today, again, 19 carries 140 yards. He has been a massive difference, especially for an offense that has been without its number one receiver,

has been without its star receiver coming into the year because of preseason. So that's, you know, for several weeks now, you've been without those top two guys. and then Gary Bryant gets injured. Now McClellan's injured. So, like, the run game and Kenyan Sadiq have had to step up. And that's what's happened. And the run game has been doing it for a month and a half.

Sadiq has been doing it for eight days. He had six catches for 72 yards and two touchdowns. He had a monster game against Minnesota. He looked awesome today, yeah. You weren't here last week. I got into some trouble for sharing what was being said about Sadiq. Oh, boy. Not your first time.

No, but by the way, wasn't wrong. By the way, might have lit a fire. You're sending out memos to the National Football League about like, hey, you know, and blah, blah, it's obviously something that's that touched a nerve.

And it's also some pretty good inspiration for this young man. Like, it's time to step up. And he's been awesome the last two weeks. So I'm not taking any. credit for it. I'm just saying an unfortunate situation and all that stuff, but, but he has, he's been forced into, the opportunity has been there for him to be kind of shoved, like, hey, go take it. Yeah. Go take this role. Why aren't we targeting you as much as, as, as this is, and this is the point I was making before. This wasn't about me getting information from a scout.

This was me asking a question as an evaluator. scouts were asking before they got to Eugene. This guy is so damn good as a blocker. He's so talented. He is so fast. He's athletic. He's going to tear up the combine. When we're out there and we got Matt Mateus and we got ATB

and we got the whole gang coming to join us in Indianapolis because they're planning on it, Mitch, if I haven't told you. That's awesome. And at the senior bowl, like, he's going to blow that thing up because he's one of those workout guys. but why isn't you getting the targets like at Colston Loveland was, the target share at Michigan? And like Tyler Warren was at Penn State, which was outrageous. But outrageous talents at that position typically have more involvement in the past game.

We've seen it now the last two weeks. And now the expectation is that he continues to be that big apart. And yes, part of it is because the wide receivers just keep dropping like flies, right? Yeah. But anyway. Go ahead. Just to change it up a little bit. Dante Moore, I thought he was really efficient today too.

I thought, to his credit, the pick was bad. The pick was a bad decision. I think he predetermined that the safety was going to come down on the tight end. And when that didn't happen, I mean, it was a bad decision. It was. And then USC comes back and goes, scores. And it's a 28, 21 game at that point. but he just, you know, he's steady.

He's so freaking steady for a guy that doesn't have that much starting experience. Him and Ty Simpson are weird in that way. They are not, they are so unflappable for guys who have not been in a lot of high pressure situations. And again, Dante Moore today, it just didn't rattle him. It's like, yeah, I made a mistake. Let's go. Like, we're going to, the next time I get out. And you even saw it with Will Stein was calling plays late where I thought they were running the ball so well.

Like, let's just run the ball. and he was still giving Dante more opportunities to throw the ball downfield. I thought that was interesting and showed that they have a lot of trust in more. To me, again, him and Ty Simpson, their poise is impressive for guys who have not started a lot of big games. I also want to give it now to this. You know what, Dan Comer asked us a question, and I said I wasn't going to get to it tonight. Here we go. I don't want to do it.

That's why you plan to see, Dan. I don't want to do a deep die. Yeah, and he knows me and he knows what he's doing. He knows and something gets in the back of my head that there's a chance that, oh, by the way, 2014 Cincinnati. I said a minute left in that game. It was a minute left in the third quarter. I was so caught up in Georgia Tech pit.

So BYU is up 20 to 14 against Cincinnati. So it's still not, what is 3.50 is left in that game? So just something to keep an eye on. Yeah, in their own 30. So Cincinnati gets a stop. They get a chance. Anyway. Yeah.

The question was from Dan, and I'll paraphrase, if he keeps playing like this, and we get into a college football playoff situation, and he starts to roll, and if you get to, again, I'm paraphrasing, but this is what he was insinuating. And he's really played well at times, and you can see the talent,

and he's not ready, but there are agents out there and there are people who are going to be like, I hear you, and I know that you're getting a lot of money to go back, and I know your mom and your dad have said that you're going back, and I know that you guys have all made that decision. I have it on, like, authority. Dante Moore's going back to Oregon next year.

I'm already in the doghouse with Oregon. I'm not here to start anything. I'm truly not. But he made a good point of, what if they win a couple games in the college football playoff? And now you get to Cory Moore back. And he starts to roll and putting up 350, 400. Like, what if he goes on this run, right?

And all of a sudden, you start looking and say, well, it's Mendoza, you know? Yeah. And it's, and is Ty Simpson going back to Alabama? Maybe that didn't finish as strong as it started. And he's had five fumbles and, you know, a fumble in each of the last five games. and so what if it's just Mendoza in the first round? And I just did, we just did that mock draft about 10, 12 days ago, Mitch. And it was eye-opening, and it's always the same deal every year.

But I figured, and I did a breakdown. If you follow me on threads at McShay-13, you follow me on X. It's at McShay-13. I did this whole threads breakdown, I think, while you were gone with your family. of their varying degrees of need at quarterback position, but at the end of the day, there are seven teams in the top 11. If the draft was held, it was like 10 days ago,

that need a quarterback, okay? That would be, they potentially could be in the market for a quarterback. And there were four or five that were like absolute need quarterback. So with that said, there will be someone in his ear if that all happens. Where would he get drafted? versus coming back next year. What if Ty Simpson's in that class?

And Arch Manning's in that class. And Julian Sayan, who's just rolling right now, is in that class. And give me more names. I mean, like the list goes on and on. It's Ty Simpson if he goes, if he returns to Alabama. It's Arch Manning. It's Julian saying it's. Lenore's Sellers.

By goodness. Nico. Nico I'm Aliava. If he's at another school, too. I mean, it's just, yeah. John Mateer, if he comes back in his thumb and chin's got him horns down and rock and rolling next year. Here we go. But like that class is loaded.

Yeah. And two things are important here. One, absolute authority. He's going back to Oregon. So this is all a moot point. Two, absolutely needs to go back. I see signs. You just mentioned one sign from today. I see signs every week, super talented, very bright future. Will Stein needs to be where he is putting his focus and his trust and his belief in for the next 13, 14 months.

Because Will Stein has a proven track record now, Bo Nix and Dylan Gabriel and whether they're having great starts to their careers or however you want to classify them. they were far better quarterbacks and not even fucking close. Not even close. I mean, like, like, like, it was gross watching Bowenxt tape at Auburn. It was, it was cute watching Dylan Gabriel in his previous two stops. Then they became NFL guys, right? Mm-hmm. So with all that said, he's going back, should go back.

But it could be a little bit of a tug. Yeah, I mean, because it's, it's, you're just talking, like it boils down to the depth of the classes, right? The deeper the class, the tougher it's going to be to get picked early. The, the, the, if it's not as deep of a class, like, it could be this year. It's looking, it's shaping up that it's not going to be the great class that we had hoped it would be. But we're okay with that because we think next year is going to be just incredible. But that aside, if you're looking at this landscape and saying, when do I have a better chance of going early? and it doesn't matter if you're Dante Moore or Ty Simpson,

whoever's looking at this as potentially coming out, if none of these other guys come out, then yeah, it's just math that quarterback-needy teams are going to take quarterbacks earlier. If you're one of the best quarterbacks and a guy that deserves to go in that range, you put yourself in a great position by coming out with a shallow class.

That's just the reality of it. Problem is, and this is what we've talked about a lot, is what are you playing for? Are you playing to go early? Are you setting up your career to have a long-term career in the NFL and put yourself in the best position to succeed long-term? Now, the flip side of that is this. There is risk, and it should be noted that there is risk, that you can lose momentum, that you can, your stock can drop, you can get hurt. There are things that can happen that you could look back on this and say, maybe I should have come out.

I understand that, and it's something that should be noted. but I don't think that fear or the doubt, fear or doubt should be driving factors in what you're making your decisions based off of. So, I mean, I think if you're going to be honest about the whole conversation, that needs to be noted. But again, I think still you go back and put yourself the best position to have a long career. Jeremy Godden, Sellers and Kiffin to LSU. Not to, not, we'll get back to Kiffin in a minute. I do want to, before we finish up with Oregon and USC, this was not the best defensive day for Oregon.

You know, this was not going to be on Dan Lanning's highlight reel in terms of his successes as a defensive mastermind, right? But there were big plays and big moments that occurred, and there were individual efforts that I would be remiss not to bring up here. I just, I think he's a mid-round-ish process. I don't know that he's elite, but my goodness, is it a hell of a lot of fun to watch Bryce Becher every single. Yeah, I mean, he flies around. The way he plays the game, the effort, like relentlessness, the, you know, after every play, the swinging the bat.

You know what he finished the day with? 13 tackles. Not surprised. I wouldn't have been surprised as it was higher. And a tackle for loss. But he, and he also had a rushing touchdown. The rushing touchdown. Yeah.

on senior day. And Dylan Thiemann, the safety came in, and he's been some up and down in coverage this year, and he's going to blow up the combine, and I'm sure his stock will rise when he does so, but he had eight tackles and a half a tackle for loss. Your boy, Mateo Ui Ungalelale, seven tackles, a sack and then two tackles for loss.

Like, they're big dudes. Those are their three guys, right? When we think about the NFL draft with Oregon and their defense. Those are the dudes. Amari Washington had a tip pass on fourth down, I think, too. I mean, that was a other people of play. He had a half a tackle for loss and four tackles as well.

Those are the four dudes. But the three, the Becher, Dylan T. and Uyunga Lale were like they were, they were, it felt like one of those three was making a play almost every single down for Oregon. So very promising for them. Oregon now is in clear, you know, clear control. ranked seven in the college football playoff beat a really good USC team today they got at Washington Washington is playing right now against UCLA Washington's seven and three so that's not

it's a sneaky game though I know it is I'm just saying a sneaky game they have a clear path but it does I didn't say it was an easy path or yeah I like Oregon in that game but man you're gonna have to exercise demons um yeah and they're going to have to cut out the penalties and just like USC made more mistakes with more turnovers and they didn't have more penalties or more penalty yards. But Landings, to me, this is like, if we want to really be

legitimate, like make a run at this thing, and we got injuries and we've dealt with all sorts of stuff this year, but we've got to be more discipline as a football team. And I think that's going to be a real coaching point for this program this week. For what it's worth, I thought the, I thought the officiating was super inconsistent, but it doesn't

It doesn't take away from the fact that Oregon's got a lot to clean up. That doesn't change that. Missouri, Oklahoma, anything you, like, what? I kept, well, I was watching it, and I'm sitting there, and I'm thinking, this is just, I don't know, I'm guessing I'm an offensive guy. I mean, because if you're a defensive guy, that game was awesome. Yeah. If you love defense, man, if I got the game for you, for me, it was, this is just banging your

head against the wall if you're Bo Pribula in the Missouri offense. I mean, they couldn't do anything. I mean, anything against that great Oklahoma defense. And then on the flip side, it was the, it was the Jameteer show for Oklahoma. And really not a lot else. I mean, the Satania, 84-yard catch and run was great.

That was a nice play. But, I mean, it was punt after punt. I mean, it was not my kind of. kind of game. I didn't love that. I don't love that style and I came out of that game thinking to myself, man, I really hope Oregon USC is better than this. Yeah, and it was.

And it was a lot more exciting and there were 69, 69 points in that one to make you happy. But, yeah, I mean, I do want to give a little credit to Bo Per Buehl for coming back and then like fighting through this game and making some plays and doing what he could.

He returned after dislocated. his ankle four weeks ago, like modern medicine. Wild. It's nuts. And then you got one with a with an ankle falling off and another with a thumb that's barely attached by Dr. Shin, you know. So you hear Sean McDonough talk about that, by the way. When you get your ankle dislocated like that, only in one percent of those injuries

is the ankle not fractured as well. And Pribulose was one of those 1%. I mean, it is almost a miracle. You know, I mean, that's a little strong, right? But it's really unlikely for him to even be playing football. And there was times that, by the way, like, he looks rusty at times. I thought his receivers could have made some more plays for him. I thought there was times that like there was, his receivers had a chance to make a play for him and they could have gone up and done something.

That was a close game. Missouri, you know, if they make a few plays, it could have been more interesting, but they just weren't able to get anything going. I'm just going to break in here because BYU just scored again. And we'll get to BYU and all that. But I do want to say, like, if I want to get Tommy John surgery on calling running backs before they... I was just going to see if you saw the numbers. National treasures. L.J. Martin.

When he had a shoulder injury before he even returned, I was telling you, NFL scouts that I'm talking to that are running through the building that have brought their, that are starting to type up their reports that are going to run up the ladder from scouting directors to general managers and be passed along to head coaches and offensive coordinators. This LJ. Martin guy is, is a dude. And I think, and so immediately I go back and I start watching the tape and I told you, like, he's exactly what the NFL is looking for. He is a big physical back.

He can catch the ball even though he's not a huge part of the passing game. He's 6-2. He's 2. That's what he's listed at. I'm told he's like 232, man. Really? That's like Levy on Bell size. He's a big bad dude, and he runs physically, and he wears you down, and the more carries

you give him, the less defenses want to deal with him. And he's got this movement about him. And I told you he's got this acceleration off his cuts that's different for backs his size. Today he has, and this game's why, yeah, 56 seconds left. he just got his last carry. It was for a touchdown. Put this game away. 32 carries for L.J. Martin,

222 yards and two touchdowns. Also leads the team with 44 receiving yards. That's 266 total yards of offense for LJ. Mark. Have a day, young man. Yeah, I promise you he's going to be one of the top. I shouldn't say I promise you. I believe he's one of the top five running backs in the class.

I believe he's got a chance to go day two. Worst case, he goes fourth round like we saw Scataboo and a bunch of really good guys go this past year. Right? Bucky Irving was a fourth round pick. Like we've seen not a lot of backs go in the first three rounds.

In this awesome class that had 26th drafted, only six went in the first three rounds. 20 went on day three. That's where running backs go because of positional value. L.J. Martin, I don't care if it's in the second round, the third round or the fourth round. L.J. Martin is going to make an NFL team better.

And I think he's going to be one of the fast... You watch. I'm with you, man. I know you are. I know you are. I'm talking to everybody else. As we get into, like, this post-draft process... Post-season pre-draft process, L.J. Martin's going to be everyone's darling.

Right? So I'm glad we got to shed some light on that early. We were talking about Oklahoma, Missouri. I do want to make this point. I fucking love Oklahoma, man. I just do. Because you know me. I love chaos.

I love things that are chaotic. I love it when it's like crazy people are running the asylum. And Venables is just my cup of tea. I'm an offensive guy by trade. But if I'm going to latch on to a defensive guy, I want it to be a Dan Campbell. I want it to be a Venables. I want it to be guys that are just crazy enough where you think it's chaotic, and it is at times. But there's a beauty and a science behind the chaos.

And I'm telling you, like if your coach is so, I'm watching the broadcast. I think it was McDone. Right. It was McDonough. It was like, you know, they've got to get control on that sideline. watching guy like, you know, getting personal foul penalties, late flags and all that stuff. I'm like, well, if your coach is leading the charge and he's screaming and have to literally be physically held back and not one of those cute get back coaches on the side.

I'm talking about grown-ass men trying to physically hold Venables back from maybe attacking and assaulting a referee, right? Well, that's probably going to trickle down to your players. And I'm just telling you, I'm here for all of it. And the trickle down is our buckle, take care of the offense, okay? Take care of it. And we got a quarterback with a thumb and we got limitations and we get an offensive line that's not that great. And our run game is in the witness protection program if Mateer's not running it himself.

It's a problem. It's a major problem. But I'm just telling you, we're both. offensive guys. But if you're going to latch on to one team that's run by a defensive mind and a defensive maniac, Venables

is my kind. Yeah. Like every week they show up, it's the same effort. Armeson Thomas is their best defensive player. Absolute star. I told you before the injury with the hamstring when he was running it back and carrying

a guy who was trying to tackle him for 15, 20, 25 yards. And he got the hammy, and they're still trying to get him back at the right time and all that. That he's turning into maybe the second best pass rusher behind David Bailey, Texas Tech, and the entire draft class. And this class is really good. And they've been without him. And you know what they've done without him?

That he got injured in that Tennessee game, right? Yep. Three games since, man. Tennessee, Alabama, and today, three takeaways against Tennessee, three takeaways against Alabama. and another two interceptions today and a forced fumble that was recovered by Missouri,

but they still forced it. Right. And so my point is, it's not going to be beautiful. It might not be as disciplined as some staunch people want it to be in this. But they're just crazy enough to do what they did against Alabama.

And they're just crazy enough to get into this thing. and to knock off a really good team. And I'll tell you what, I just, I wouldn't want to play them. No. The way they're playing, I just wouldn't want to play this Oklahoma team

because Mateer has got just enough magic in him and you give them a few more weeks. Right? Yeah. Because they're not playing in the SEC championship game. You give him a few more weeks to get that thing healthy and to take a little rest and take a little strain off his thumb

and start working out with his receivers and get back into rhythm. they're just a dangerous team. That's all I'm saying. I hear you. I'm with you. If they get on a run, they watch out.

And that's what this is now. This tournament, this playoff is who's going to get on a run? I know the most talented team in the country won last year. I get that. But they also, everything started firing on all cylinders for that team. Who's going to do it this year?

Who's going to stay healthy and who's going to start getting that momentum going over the course of the playoff run? It feels like Alabama. had a lot of magic going for a minute and then Oklahoma squashed it, but also kind of unearthed some things that were felt like kind of undercurrent boiling up. It feels like Old Miss has been playing a little tight. And defensively, the weaknesses keep being put on a platter for us to display each and every week, right? Yep.

It feels like A&M for a half against South Carolina, everything that I've been saying, like, if they're going to get got, I keep saying, it's going to be Marcel Reed and the mistakes and just the overly caffeinated pocket stuff that I'm seeing. And now all of a sudden, and I'm not putting Oklahoma at the Georgia level. I'm just saying Oklahoma and Georgia appear to be these two programs that, I don't know, four or five weeks ago we had left for kind of dead. It's like, no, like, yeah, Georgia keeps winning, but all we can say about them is that they're relentless. and what's the word that everyone used? They're tenacious, whatever.

Yeah, they're resilient. It's the, oh, but they're resilient, man, and they're going to, but they were, and they've gotten better. Now the two teams I'm really scared of that seem to have this momentum, even though it's not always beautiful, Georgia and Oklahoma. Yeah. So that thing's fascinating. Little little Gunner Stockton might end up going to New York, man.

I mean, he might be in New York for the Eisenman ceremony. That's crazy to think about. Does it do the same? Sticking with that game, does it do the same thing? Probably doesn't. You're an offensive lineman. But you have been scouting. You've been scouting for just about as long as I have.

I mean, within minutes of when I started doing this, right? I go back to like my 20s when you're out and this beautiful woman walks in, but she also has this confidence about her and a smile. and like, I don't know, like, when I see someone break away like Satania did for Oklahoma today, there's like tingles that run through my body. And then this, and then this jolt of, let's go find out more. Did you see that run? That run after catch for the long touchdown where, like nothing was going for Oklahoma.

What, tell what is your physical reaction? I don't know. I just something happens when I see that kind of speed. I'm like, oh, I can't wait to get to his tape. And like, and by the way, Berks, Burks, the other receiver is like absolutely positively a top 100 pick. Yeah. But Satania's become the guy.

Let's not gloss over that. Right. I don't know. I'm not weird like you, but I do get excited about it. You know what I mean? I'm a little weird. Right. I guess I'm coming to you with a private matter, but I'm doing it. Well, that's the thing you say.

You say that they're crazy. They're talented enough, man. They're crazy enough. You're right. They're also talented enough. And they've got some guys up front along that offensive line with that offensive line can come together too, man. They are a talented group that I don't think, and maybe that's what makes them the scariest thing about them is I don't think Oklahoma has played their best game yet. No.

So they haven't played their best. Since Michigan. Yeah, not since Michigan. Or Alabama. I mean, I still don't think. Yeah. But yeah, yeah. I don't know if they've played their best game yet.

And if you think about that and where they are and what their schedule has been, I mean, that's, wow. I mean, Mattier was 14 of 30 today, man. Yeah. But they got home run hitters. They've got guys who can make the most of that. And he also, I think it's 60 yards rushing on 18 carries. Is that right? It was something like that.

I'll look that up to make sure I don't want to, I don't want another situation where Cincinnati's run defense. But anyways, A818 carries for 60 yards. I mean, that's 3.3 yards per carry. I mean, that offense is tough to watch at times today. I mean, they only had 17 points, but they gutted it out. I'm not getting carried away in Oklahoma. I'm just saying you give them three weeks off or whatever it is before the first,

when's the first round of the college football playoffs? Good question. If you give them, I'm literally getting texts from December 19th and 20th. You're getting text about what? From Penn State folks that just, yeah. The big Nebraska win? No.

Well, yes. I'll just read it. The players are going to Kraft's office on Monday to demand that Terry's the next coach after the day's win. Dude, my guy, my buddy home at high school with went to Penn State is a big Penn State guy who's still involved, all that stuff tells me that it's, I won't name the name that he wants, but he said Terry is growing on him. That Terry is that, they're starting to get some buzz about Terry.

Well, nothing would be worse for Pat Kraft. The AD was making that decision than that to happen. is my guess slash understanding. Sorry, I just couldn't ignore that. So you said December 19th, and Oklahoma plays, and Oklahoma is not getting, I mean, you look at the SEC standings, right? Oklahoma is not playing, because A&M's undefeated, Georgia's one loss, Ole Miss one loss, L.

no matter how it shakes out, Oklahoma is not playing in the SEC championship game. So next week against Ellis, you on the 29th. So that's 19. How many days are in? So 30 days. So one, so 20 days. That's almost three full weeks that material would have to get healthy. I'm just saying it's something to keep an eye on. That's all, I just, I just wouldn't want to play Oklahoma in that first game. Or maybe the second one. This episode is brought to you by Duluth Trading Company. The holiday season is not just about R&R. It's about getting things done. That's why DeLu's long-lasting, durable gear makes for the best gifts for the doer on your list.

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Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Like, I said it two weeks ago to you, Steve. I have a Heisman vote. I am not allowed to. I haven't made my Heisman vote. I will wait through the appropriate time. I will do it the day after the final regular season games,

and that will be next Sunday, okay? which reminds me, I got to go do that like Deloitte or whatever it is and make sure that I'm all, everything, all the ducks are in a row. But he comes out eight for 171 yards and three touchdowns. I get it. It's Syracuse. I get it. They won 70 to 7.

But this is what I read from the Notre Dame PR team. Jeremiah Love is the third FBS player since 1996 with three touchdowns and 170 yards in eight or fewer carries. Clyde Edwards Allaire did it in 2019 versus Arkansas and Desmond Ritter, who would have guessed 2020 and 2020 against SMU. Everyone's going nuts on social media about just bring this guy to New York.

If he doesn't go to New York, it's an absolute travesty. My support will be behind him, and I can't tell you in which way or what number of the top three picks I will give him because I'm not allowed to nor would I break that trust. but he absolutely deserves it. And this is a team that has a good young quarterback, but it's carried by this young man.

And it's great to see because I was worried after that first game against Miami and the few number of touches that he had that this was going to be a season that was a massive disappointment considering the hype coming in. And it's been anything but. Did you see this wild Heisman factoid?

I'm trying to find the list right now as you're talking. But did you know that every year that has ended in five since 1945 a running back has won the Heisman? I saw something that it alluded to. It's that's the deal. So much to make, make Jeremiah love this year.

Yeah, maybe not 1945. I should be careful, but it's like some streak of years of it ended in five. The middle of the decade, we just throw in a running back. Well, Jeremiah. And Marcus Allen,

Marcus Allen's a running back who won it not in one of those years. So he's a guy that you should mention. But every other running back has won it, I think, in a year that ends in five. Wow. So Mark Ingram was what? That's wild.

Bridget Bush was, 05. 05. Yep. Mark Ingram was 15. Eddie George was 95. Holy smokes. That's why.

Yeah, right? I like that. It's that. That's one of those things. it's, I mean, I didn't, I didn't come up with it. It was on the broadcast, but it was, I was immediately like, that's, that is interesting to me. Because why not?

Why not, Jeremiah, I love? Yeah. I mean, there's no reason. There's zero reason. And I get it like Julian Sayans doing some awesome stuff. And I think he's, he's next truly. Like, I have a great appreciation for what he's doing and where he's headed. Mendoza's been flat out awesome efficient like his his efficiency and like and the plays he's had to make in clutch moments you know the Iowa game the Penn State game yep like absolutely deserves it but I can't imagine why he wouldn't the Jeremiah Love wouldn't be right there with those guys truly has to be talking about value on a team that's but but I can't imagine why he wouldn't the Jeremiah Love wouldn't be right there with those guys truly has to be talking about value on a team that's but like

right in the middle of the playoff run. Arkansas, Texas, 5237. I don't get this Texas defense sometimes. I don't know why that's funny me. I don't. This year's version of Texas's defense is hard to figure out, you know. But maybe it's not. Maybe it's just not that great a defense,

and they have some moments and against certain kind of schemes and against Oklahoma with, with Mateer, reeling coming fresh off of shin surgery for first, thumb, shin's thumb surgery, that they just, they took advantage of that. But at the end of the day, I don't know what the stat line was. I really don't care. It's just some of the, some of the throws I saw. Like that touchdown throw to make it 3820, the scramble and the throw from arch was just awesome. He's starting to play like a guy that when we look and say, all right, fast forward to this summer. We go down to the manning camp. We start talking about the quarterbacks for

2027. I now can put a stamp on this guy and be like he's tracking in the direction of he belongs in the first round conversation no matter what the name is on the back of his jersey, who he's affiliated with or anything else. I'd start like 389 passing yards today. Is that right? 389. Four touchdowns. And I get it. Arkansas is not a Arkansas head coach got fired. They're two and nine. Oh and seven. I get all those things. And I get the Texas just just got beat and everyone left him for dead. And it was an ugly loss, 35 to 10. I'm not ignoring what happened just seven days ago.

Trust me. I'm just saying there's some promising stuff there. And I'm also saying A&M is not Ohio State. No. I actually think that I really believe that Texas might be favored in that game. I can't wait to get the odds on that. I bet you're out right now. Tucker, why don't you pull that?

don't mind pulling that up for us. I would not be surprised of Texas his favorite of that game. I'm on at FD. Sportsbook. Let's just give them some love. That's how quickly I pull it up. Hope you didn't see my account, my balance, or anything like that. People are going to freeze that,

try to figure that out. Yeah. Oh, it's not so bad. Started with nothing. I get there. Let's see next week. Two and a half. Who's favored? I got Texas.

they're not favored, but it's minus two and a half. Oh, it's A&M. Yeah, which should be. I mean, you got the three lost team versus undefeated. But, but, yeah, Dan concurred two and a half, A&M minus two and a half in Austin. You got a three lost team coming off 35 to 10. I know. I just, I don't know.

No, no, no, I hear what you're saying. You would have Texas favorite. Is that what you're saying? You're right, though. The better way you're saying this is I get why the Aggies are favored, and I've loved the Aggies all year. I got a feeling about Texas, though. I mean, this is a game that I can see Texas winning.

So keep that all in mind, okay? Keep that all in mind when we have the discussion with the TMS top 12, okay? But I do want to get his stat line because he was completing like 13. It was 18 for 30, 480, no, 389 yards, 4 touchdowns. And 13 yards per attempt, man. Yeah. Every time I look, they were driving it down the field. Parker Livingston, long of 54, Mosley, 30, DeAndre Moore, 46, Jack Endry's, the tight end long of 35, Wingo, 22.

Like, these mothers were, they're at, Livingston, well, Livingston had two catches. He averaged 52 a catch. Mosley averaged 20. Wingo averaged 13 and a half. That was a bad day. DeAndre Moore averaged 25. Endries average 24.5. Like, I don't know.

I'll just be interested. I'll be interested to see how that game goes because I, I, four receivers is Georgia that good right now? Is Georgia that good right now? Or is Texas just up and down? Or is Texas just good against inferior? I just can't wait to see it. I guess the best thing I can say right now is,

I legitimately am excited for that. game because I can see either side win. I can see the strengths and the weaknesses, but I think Texas is honestly just as good as A&M and fan duels telling us they basically are. Yeah. And so let's in the state of Texas rivalry game. Like what's better after Thanksgiving weekend? Could get chippy.

It could get chippy. Kansas State at Utah, wild game, over 1,100 yards. Lander Barton, congrats to him. Game ceiling interception. Awesome career. Awesome player. My spotlight player, the game in that one, was not from the winning team. Nope.

Shoeless Joe, man. Rushing yards in the first half. Joe Jackson had 293 rush yards in this game. He finished with 313 total yards of offense. And like, super. impressive, right? What was more impressive was his stat line at the half. Shulis Joe had 10 carries for 236 yards and two touchdowns. I saw it on an ex post because I was watching bits and pieces with other games. Yeah. I saw it on an ex post came back to the game and he wasn't doing

much in the second half. He was doing some, but not like that. And so I had to go look at the box score. I'm like, yeah, he did. 10 for 236 and 2. I don't know that I've ever, I can remember a stat line like that for a running back. Not at that level, no. Not in that, no. So that was awesome to watch.

But I also, as I'm watching that, I'm like, get Utah out of here, man. That offensive line is awesome, but still get Utah out of here. Utah wins 51.47. It was unbelievable the comeback that they made. Unbelievable running ability.

They had to return a two-point conversion. That's part of the deal. It was one of the most entertaining, exciting, most fun. You talked about how boring the Missouri game was. You talked about some of the tough football there was to watch today. This was the exact opposite. It was, I said, over 1,100 total yards of offense. I know, yeah, what, yeah.

It was $5754 for Kansas State, $5.55. So 1120, 1125 in total offense. And the run by Dampere at the end of the game did like... A fourth and one. A fourth and one. Threw for two touchdowns, ran for two more, go ahead one yard with 56 left. Like, it was just, it was an awesome game to watch.

Yep. And I have the utmost respect for what they do. I've spent time out there. Like, I really have a great deal of respect for that program. But get out of here. Because I'm, and we'll get to us to a second. Because there's this team that's not even going to be in the ACC championship game that I had left for dead, and most of the country had left for dead.

And I'm watching them today in Virginia Tech sucks. I get it. Virginia Tech's not any good. And the score says 3417, but they put it on Virginia Tech, on the road, James Franklin's announced, like the place is packed. It feels like this is a perfect spot for an upset, right? And Carson Beck comes out, and he, listen, he was dealing early in the season. Then he had those interception run that Mench was right.

He got to the front end of it, Munch said when the interceptions come, they come in bunches, and they did, man. And then on top, the compounding injury of it, he's going in press conferences, and he's ratting out his receivers, he's ratting out his coordinator, and the play call, like all of it. but then all of a sudden quietly Carson Beck regroups. And Malachi Tony apparently was allowed out of witness protection. Malachi 12 for 146 with a touchdown today.

Best freshman in college football. Carson Beck completed 80% of his throws, man, 27 of 32, 320 yards, four touchdowns. I'm watching Miami, and I get it. You know, it's not all I test, and it's not all about NFL prospects, and it's not about this and that and the other thing. And there's got to be an element, a strong element of strength of record, and have you earned it? And all of that.

But at the end of the day, the college football committee, the playoff committee, the CFP, that committee, its job is to determine the 11 best teams, five of which, the 11 best teams, right? four of which now are offered by conference champions. And those will be decided next Saturday. And one is the group of five, which they also have to make a decision, but it's, you know,

to rank one of the highest ones. And we can get into that. The thing's an absolute total disaster and mess. I don't even have the update of some of the scores right now, but it's, you're looking at, I can't even look by fingers. JMU. J.M.U. Navy.

Washington State today. San Diego State. is Tulane in North Texas and then JMU Navy and San Diego State are kind of the ones, but Tulane Tulane 1 today, right? Yeah, they're 37-13 over Temple, that's right. So it will be Tulane again in that spot.

So we got one more week to see how that all plays out. But my point is, the college football playoff committee, as we transition right now to the TMS top 12. Here we go. The committee's job is to essentially, with five spots being predetermined, if you will, by conference champions, and you've got to take the best group of five.

They've got seven spots to fill by their rankings, okay? Okay. And let's go through them. Let's start the exercise. And Tucker, you can throw up the... Everyone won, right? Everyone in the top ten was either idle or one. Ohio State blows out Rutgers.

Indiana didn't play. A&M, Sanford. Give me a break. Georgia, Charlotte. Give me a break. Texas Tech, Idol, O'Miss, Idol, Oregon. Nice win against USC. Notre Dame, 70 to 7.

Stop it. Oklahoma, nice win against Missouri, even though offensively it was challenged. Alabama, eastern Illinois. Stop it. But this is always the week. This is always the week where it's like a lull before, the calm before the storm. Everyone's getting ready, it's Thanksgiving,

and we get these, like, Friday and Saturday, and it's a while, and then we get the play. This week gets chaotic on all fronts at home, family, friends, games, Friday, Saturday, college football selection. All of a sudden you wake up Monday and you're like, woo! You're like dizzy. Get like brace yourself. Yeah. So you look at this and you see that was so that was our top 12.

That was our top 12 from last week. But you're right. Ohio State, Indiana, A&M, Georgia, Texas Tech, were the top five last week in the college football playoff. Ole Miss, Oregon, Oklahoma, and Notre Dame and Alabama. That rounded out the top ten. Then this is where my problem is. BYU at 9 and 1, and I get it, it's one loss.

But, like, this is where I need the committee this week. Because this week is so critical, man. because there's going to be a lot of shakeups. Texas plays Texas A&M and Michigan plays Ohio State and all the Georgia, Georgia Tech, that won't really have an influence. I'm just trying to think of, oh, Ole Miss is Ole Miss with all the Kiffin stuff, all that stuff, right?

But this is the week coming up where you get a real sense, and if one of these teams isn't playing someone important, how do you move them up or down? This is the week I'm charging the committee with let's look at the big picture. Let's get real. Let's actually get real this week.

And I think for the most part, they've done a good job, but I think they're missing the boat on the Big 12. The Big 12 is just not. They're just not. The ACC's a mess, and they've recognized that. And they've gotten the best team up there ahead of some of the others. You know, Georgia Tech was 9 and 1. Miami was 8 and 2.

I applaud them for that. Well, let's get BYU and you. Utah out of here. They don't belong. Because Miami might be good enough, right? Mm-hmm. And then I've got this scenario that's kind of wild in the SEC. A&M, Georgia, Ole Miss, Oklahoma, and Bama could all be in this week.

Yep. And even if Texas beats A&M, A&M's in, right? Yes. No matter what A&M's at this point. Georgia takes care of Georgia Tech. George is in regardless. Ole Miss is in regardless. Right?

I mean, they are. They're 10 and 1 in the SEC. Yes. They'd be 10 and 2. But you'd like to secure that and make sure you have the best possible spot and you have a buy. No, it won't be a buy. If you have a home game, I should say.

Right? Yes. Oklahoma is the team. Where's Oklahoma? Why am I blanking right now? Where's Oklahoma for what? Oklahoma. LSU is that you were looking for the last.

SLSU. So Oklahoma is it? The big question was, are they getting five? The answer is yes. Right. My question is, should they not get six?

And here's what I'm going to tell you. All right. Vandis ranked 14 behind these two frauds, BYU and Utah. If I'm telling you right now, Ohio State, Indiana, Texas, A&M, Georgia, Texas Tech, Ole Miss, Oregon, Oklahoma, Notre Dame,

and Alabama are all in. Alabama wins the Iron Bowl. All in. That's 10 teams. One of those two remaining teams is going to group of five, which is an absolute force, but it is what we have right now. And I've already started the campaign,

and I'll lobby for it harder later. I can't, yeah. Okay? I hear you. This is a year where they just don't deserve to have one. So we should have a Miami and the six-best SEC team. But we don't. So one other team gets in.

Right now. it looks like it would be Miami. But Vanderbilt plays Tennessee. Vanderbilt is ranked 14th, one spot behind Miami. Vanderbilt has had some ups and downs, but Vanderbilt's 9 and 2, bud. Their losses are to Texas, which sits at 20 right now, but is going to be in the top 15. I'm going to guess after this week, maybe top 16, and Alabama. And they go play Tennessee, which is ranked 20th this week, but is we're going to move up probably in the top 17.

Because when you start looking at these, like, Georgia Tech lost, they're out. USC lost. So 15 USC lost, they moved back. Georgia Tech, 16, lost. They moved back. You're telling me Tennessee at 20 doesn't move up. No, they do. And then if Vanderbilt wins at Tennessee.

You're telling me a Texas at 17. So I'm telling you, we're going to have three teams that are ranked somewhere in the top 16, somewhere from 13 to 16 in Vanderbilt, Vanderbilt, Texas, and Tennessee that all get opportunity. Texas goes and beats Texas A&M at home, was two and a half point dogs at home. How do you leave them out? There are three lost team. BYU, I get it.

They're going to be a, oh, well, we get up. When it's all said and done, we think they're going to have two losses. Two lost. That's what we think, yeah. Yeah, and I was talking about the selection. The selections are following Sunday, obviously. I'm getting crazed. But in the next two weeks, all of this happens, I should say.

But my point is, BYU gets knocked out. Utah needs to go away. And I just think that I think my answer. Here's my point. In this week's TMS, it's got to. stay kind of the same with Ohio State 1, Indiana 2, A&M 3, right?

Mm-hmm. You good with Georgia 4? 100%. Texas Tech 5, no movement. 6 is Ole Miss, right? No movement. Yep. 7 remains Oregon. That's a good win.

Yeah, it's a real good win. You could argue maybe... You might put them at 5. I don't... No, I'm not ready. Not with their injuries of receiver. Not I'm not ready. I'm cool with them at seven.

I hear you. Yeah, I would have them at five. I think they're more of a complete team. But okay. Than Texas Tech? Yes. And at the very least, put them up ahead of Ole Miss. I mean, for the reasons we've talked about,

that defense is vulnerable. I lose you or you're just thinking. You're deep in thought or what? I'm just thinking. I don't. I think, well, listen, Let's stop messing around with the order of this. We both agree.

Ohio State, Indiana, Texas, A&M, Georgia, Texas Tech, Ole Miss Oregon, Oklahoma, and Notre Dame, Alabama are in the top ten, correct? Yes. This is where I want to be perfectly clear. Yeah. So then. I want. You want Miami and another SEC team.

You're not going to get it because the rules won't let you have it. So you're going to get the at large. Who are you taking it as your 12th team? That's what I want to know. your TMS TMS top 12 will be different. We're having two different conversations. Your TMS top 12. I want Miami.

I want Miami. Fuck it. I want Miami in Texas. At 11 and 12. Yeah. I want them. For the TMS top 12. For the TMS 12, I would want Miami in Texas.

And then I would have, I mean, I get it. Texas has three losses, but one was through Ohio State. No one's beaten Ohio State. The other, Florida was a bad loss.

I can't. I can't. And Georgia was a bad loss. So, yeah, they don't deserve to be up there. But how do I put Vanderbilt ahead of Texas? I just want there to be a clump, is my whole point. I want there to be a clump from 11 down of Miami, Vanderbilt, Texas, and Tennessee. And I want the Utah schools out of here.

Okay. So 11, 12, 13, 14 needs to buy Miami, Miami, Vanderbilt, Texas, and Tennessee. And it really doesn't matter what order, to be honest with you. It doesn't matter what order because it's going to get sorted out. Because Tennessee and Vanderbilt play next week and Texas plays A&M. Texas loses a fourth game. I don't care if it's by a point nine overtimes. They're out.

Texas beats A&M. They've got to be in. And you said, well, no, Todd, they don't because BYU is not. But BYU is going to lose to Texas Tech. The only thing that throws a whole, this whole thing into it, shambles. And it makes for a miserable month of December and early January. That month from the 19th to the national championship game is absolutely miserable. If I've got fucking Tulane, BYU, and Texas Tech is the loser of the Big 12 championship.

I'm out. I'm not doing live shows. I'm out. I'm on to the draft. You're so dramatic. It's not that bad. I'm on to the draft. I'm on to the draft. You're a drama queen. Come on. It's not that. bad. So who, but you're not answering my question. I got the TMS top 12. We agree on it. I'm with you.

100% with you. I could argue Vanderbilt versus Texas, but you're right. Just give me the clump. And we got to make a decision on who the top 12 are going to be. And I like you think it should be Texas. I really do believe that. And it's, you could throw on all the records. We can do, we could do the circular.

Yeah. No, I want Texas. I want Texas to 12. I agree with you. I want Texas to 12. and Vandy, you can, Vandy or Tennessee go win your way in because either Texas is going to win its way in with a win against A&M or Texas is going to lose and the winner, it becomes this little bracket thing. Or maybe Michigan sneaks in. I'm like, I get it again.

No, I can't, I can't do, I can't do Michigan. I can't do Michigan. I can't. All right. So we got the TMS top 12. Yes. Now you're going to meet Ohio State with two losses. Yes, you have to let them in.

But I just like, that team. The season ended today. You got to figure out who that 11th team is before the play and before the team that you just can't stay in the at large. Are you going with Miami or Texas? If I had to guess which one it will be? No. Who do you want? Who do you want in the playoffs?

Right now. Right now? Yeah. Better ball is Texas. Yes. It is, right? Better ball is. Miami looks good today, man.

man, Miami looked great today. But dude. But against Virginia Tech. The ACC's a joke. Yeah, Texas. Texas. But this is to my point. Or Vanderbilt.

I would say even Vanderbilt. No, I'm cool with Vanderbilt. I'm cool with Vandy. And guess what? I'm cool with Tennessee. If Tennessee beats Vanderbilt and there's a spot. Yeah. I don't think that they, I, then I get rational.

If it's Tennessee, then I'm like, okay, pump it a little. Maybe it is Michigan. but Michigan would have to beat Ohio State and that changes the whole landscape. You know it really sucks? What? Is it your and I want to say our at this point, USC Trojans,

if they didn't have that shitty start to the Illinois game, they'd be in the mix here. Their only losses would be to Notre Dame and Oregon. They would be right in the mix to get in there and I think they're a really good freaking football team and like the fact that that Illinois game, that Illinois game, dude.

No, I know. I do know that, but I also think... But you can't keep... They're not in it. There's... The Iowa win was too much of a struggle. Dude, that Iowa team played Indiana tough. I mean...

No, I get it. No, you're right. You're right. That's a good Iowa team. It is. They've made a lot of progress. They're just a tick behind what I was hoping that they would develop into. You're right.

This Washington team, as I watch them a little bit, just... Jed Fish is going to have something up his sleeve. It's going to be a war. There's some mental, there's some trauma there. And I promise you one. Yeah. All right, we got the TMS top 12. We got who you won the playoff.

You got, you mentioned it earlier. You got anything on Kiffin? Any thoughts? You want to hold it? You want to keep in the barrel or you got something? No, there's nothing to keep in the barrel. We're not going to find out until next Saturday. So anything between now and then is speculation.

We had, while you were gone, I brought on I brought on Bruce Feldman on Monday. He was awesome. He said by the time, by the time this posts, by the time you get, Tucker gets this up and running and Tucker got it up fast. And I think we beat, I think we beat the news by like an hour or something.

Right. That was awesome. So he knew that. I, there's been a lot of reports. You're talking about James Franklin and Virginia Tech was what Feldman was talking about with the news. Yeah, sorry.

Yeah, James Franklin at Virginia Tech. and the news came out, you know, like an hour later, probably two hours after we taped. And he was just really, it was really cool like going the whole landscape and all the different things. Side note on all of it that I think is fascinating, I don't think Florida has a backup plan, like a real one. I kind of love that. And I don't think Ole Miss has a backup plan if Kiffin's gone. and I don't think LSU has an awesome backup plan. So now you've got three major SEC programs,

like three of the most, let's say three of the hottest guys, not the hottest, but three of the best catches in the room. Three of the six or seven best catches in the room are all counting on one girl to pick them, you know? Yeah. And then all of a sudden these two, like really eligible bachelors have a lot to offer are like I can't go the dance like I don't I got to know I got I got I got to go like but every because everyone else so and it and it

will start a trickle down there will but like like like Eli drink wits like great I guess people just view him in a higher regard that Jesus um I know I get myself in trouble all the time especially this is late at night. Can I say this? Yes. I do have some stuff on it, but go. It kind of dampens all the love and momentum that I think Kevin's built at Ole Miss in terms of like turning his career around.

And this may be, you know, I'm turning his career around, but like improving his image. And I think being healthier, having a healthier image, I would say, after all the stuff that went down to Tennessee and then, you know, the whole thing. I thought he's really done a great job of rehabbing the image. and you'd like to think, this is a business, it is what it is. He's got to do what's best for his family.

And I don't blame him or criticize him at all for exploring options. He should 100% do that. This whole thing of the family is going and touring schools, I think the timing sucks. You have the number 16 in the country. And you want these kids to realize it's a business. The NIL has changed things. And you've got to realize and you hope they're all mature enough to handle it that way. But the timing of it sucks that you have the number 16.

in the country at a school that has historically not competed for championships and has a real chance to make a run here. And we're waiting to find out whether or not the guy who's coaching that team is going to be coaching that team next year. And that just... On Monday, I thought he was going back to Ole Miss. I... On Monday, I thought he was going back to Ole Miss.

I no longer think that's the case. I think he will be the next head coach at L. you. I do want to say this, though, and I want to just hear me when I say this. I don't think he's made a decision. No. No, no, no, no, no, no. I want you to really hear that. I don't think Lane has actually made a final decision. I think he is, unfortunately, it's public, and unfortunately, it's lane and he kind of can't help himself with some things. And I think, I know family matters more to him now than it ever has in his life. His, his wellness and the things he's done to get to where he is, not only to be the best

version of himself. And I speak, honestly, I speak on this subject because I've had to go through some things and get to where I am. It's fair to say you can relate. And with my new family and the people and the, I can absolutely relate. What the, a little bit of a difference between me and Lane is, I think Lane views things a little bit different than me, but has the same new appreciation for life and family and the people around him and building this, this wall up around of these are the ones that are.

in and these are the ones that it's just it's okay but I can have a lot of fun because I'm I know who I am I know what I am like I'm live I'm actually who I've always been but I know I now know who I am and I'm free to be as crazy or stupid or funny or not funny or whatever I want to be because I'm good because I don't care about the money and Lane truly doesn't care about the money I don't care about any of the fame. You and I will have offers to take this show and go do things for bigger. Like, it's not like we're going to do what's best for you and for your family and for me and for my family. And it's real easy when you have that clarity as a human being to insulate and decide.

But part of that family and part of what he's giving back out is the love that he has for his players. And so when he has some kind of awkward interviews and it looks like he's, like I sat in Nick Saban's office with Mike, Mike Godfrey once before he was taking that Miami Dolphins. And I saw how uncomfortable Nick was and I didn't know Nick back then. I saw his toe tapping incessantly trying to kind of avoid questions because he knew what he was doing but he didn't want anyone. And so everything in like his desk is shaking and all that. And I'm like, this guy, he's going. He's the rumors, he's going. Like, he can't, he can't physically hold in what's going on mentally, right?

Yeah. And I think with Lane, what we're seeing is he wants so desperately. And this is the part that I, that I hope people appreciate for all the shenanigans and the antics and the tweets and the posts and all that stuff. he wants so desperately for this time to be about the players. And so when he's looking, you know, like you should watch him on like McAfee, bring in the running back.

And it's almost like he's doing this magic show to like not really answer the question that everyone wants to ask. Right. And he's alluding it because it's not because he knows what he's doing. I think he has all the information. I think his agent has been running this thing. And I think his family is checking things out because it's very, very important to him that no matter what the decision is at the end of the day,

because when you're at that level, people report back to you. So my agent has got to come in with the financial package. And part of the financial package that's bigger than it's ever been before is what is my allotment, who's making the decisions, who's helping me? And he's got a guy, I can't remember his guy. He's got a guy that was at CAA and with Under Armour. I forget his name and I apologize for it right now, that it has been so integral, integral in getting the players there.

They've started like almost, you know, like we talk about Nagy with Oklahoma. Like it's this guy who kind of handles the money and how we're going to, you know, manage this whole thing. So what does that all look like if it is at Florida, if it is at LSU? And, honey, my wife, who was my ex-wife and now is my wife, but family is now the most important thing to me in the world

and my kids are part of this. And he messaged me a clip from his son doing the, who was in high school. Knox is doing it with another one of the coach's sons. And they're doing like a podcast and he's just proud of it all. Like I got Tate coming in and doing 152 or 156 days till the NFL draft. Love it. You get to a point you just don't care about what the perception is,

what it's supposed to look like, all of that. You just care about the things you care about and the things you care about are actually for the first time in your life, the things that matter. So Lane's trying desperately to make this special time in these young man's lives is the most special thing it can be. And so he's having his family and people that matter to him, go out and ask the questions that need to be asked and handle all these things

so that a decision can be made. But he's giving his players the respect and this program and everyone involved in it the respect of we've got a gameplay. We've got the Egg Bowl. These players are what matter. they've given me everything. I'm going to give them everything back. Now, what I can't tell you is

what he and his children and his wife and what like those conversations. But I truly believe that he is not going to allow a decision, a final decision to be made until he has given these players everything that he has.

So yeah, there might be pillow talk or hey, I love this place. Or, hey, this is the financial. Okay, hold on to all of it. I've got to do this with my guys. And then when we're done with that, then we know what it looks like. We know if there's an SEC,

I don't think there's going to be an SEC championship game, but we know where, everything will be settled after the Egg Bowl. And that's why he can give a promise to the people at Ole Miss. we can talk about it then. It is dragging on. I have been on McAfee a couple of times. I'm going on all these national shows. It's starting to get a little awkward.

There are reports about the planes flying here and there. It's just not good externally. But I promise you internally, I'm doing what I, what you're paying me to do. And that's to be the head man here. And he has, him and his family have every right.

I mean, they've earned that right to explore all these options. And he also has the right. He has the right as the most coveted man in football. He has the right because he's earned the right by getting his life back in order, by committing everything he has to this and to his, to making sure he's the best version of himself so that every single player that walks through his office and through his locker rooms gets the best version of him. And we're seeing it.

I told you in week four or five, this is the best. version of lane I've ever seen. From a coaching perspective, from a leadership perspective, from a confidence, self-awareness, and from an X's and O's in the ways he's transforming that offense from, excuse me, from the West Coast of USC to the FAU stuff, to the zone reads, to the high tempo, to the slow it down. Thoughtful tempo. Jackson Dart, he's learning.

Let's go a little more pro-hoof concepts with the West Coast and mix it into what we're doing. Jackson's gone. Trinidad, Chamblis, Division 2, come on in. Let's integrate a lot of this different stuff. We're not going to be as a complex passing game, but we can, but we're not going to be as crazy. And you can only do that kind of stuff at the highest level if you have got everything together in your life.

And he's finally got that. So I don't think he's made his final decision. I think deep down he knows what he's doing. But I don't think he's given it, like if people think he's given it 10% of things, thought, I think he's probably given it like two. But I think everyone in his life that matters, just like I would have everyone in my life that matters, including you and your wife and your children, if we were to make a decision like this to go, whatever, I'd have Iris and the kid,

and Marissa and everyone would go out and figure out, okay, what are the options? Look at it. What are we comfortable, whatnot? And then let's talk about, you know, but it ain't going to be this week. I think that's where we are. Good. That makes you feel better about the situation, to be honest. You know, and it is, it is interesting to get your perspective on it. But again, I do think it's going to be LSU. And that's more, that's more good. But at the end of the day, but at the end of the day, I'm trying to get people insight to what's really going on. And it's going to be Lenora Sellers, right? Because Jeremy Godd and said, I didn't, I didn't.

You're not going there. Yeah. And speaking of which while we're here, I do apologize to everyone and Mench was gone. Mensh leaves and everything, and everything falls apart. I promise to be transparent with everything that is going on. And I'm not like, I really don't want to get into a lot of detail because it's, it's my mom and it's a personal issue. But she had a health issue this week. Found out about it Sunday night. Had to be there.

Did the show Monday morning taped it? trying to get all of the information, had to fly out to Cincinnati, and I can't thank the folks at the UC Medical Hospital there, right on campus, right there. I thought about transferring her, have CEOs of other hospitals and, like, a lot of good connections and people that outpour and reach and grateful for everyone who was involved that helped support my mom through this,

but the people at UC medical were awesome. and she has made like I was worried I lost my mom this week and it was it was punishing it was hard but to see where she's come from that in the last like 72 hours has been awesome it's been a miracle so I'm appreciative of being here I'm glad your back mentioned it just didn't feel right without you I'm appreciative for dan and for Connor and for Tucker and for everyone here that just like literally couldn't even get the sentence out like go you know we'll figure it all out and um the end of the day it's just football and i'm just appreciative for everyone here in this chat and

everyone who's who's been a part of this and like you know when you go through stuff like this kind of plays off of what i was just saying you you got to be the dumbest mother and mother effort in the world to not like take a step back and realize how important the people you love are and like I love the people we work with. I obviously love my family more. But like I just, to be able to come back to this and for it to feel like home and to actually want to sit at this table

versus somewhere else doing previous jobs and all that, it would be like torturous. And I couldn't wait to, you know, this is like, I'm home. You know, my kids are sleeping, you know, and I'm on with you and I get Dan and talk and get all these people here that like have been with us from day one. you know. Yeah.

So, so this is, this is home. And it makes you realize and appreciate, especially the holidays coming up and flying back out there on Tuesday with the whole family going out to be with her. And hopefully we'll get her home and, and we're figuring out what that looks like. But she's making an awesome recovery and just, yeah. Yeah, I know. I know.

So I just wanted to share that because I don't want there ever be weirdness. Like, well, there's no show on Wednesday or Thursday. What's going on? So kind of trying to be an open. book here. But yeah, different week. There's a different Saturday of games, different conversation and places we wound up going.

But last thought, Munch, what do you got? I mean, I don't even really, there's not much to say after that. I mean, I will say this, that I was, I took this time with my family to go away and it was

a really important trip for us. And Todd's got all this stuff going on. I didn't hear one word. I didn't know any of it was coming back until I got back. I mean, and the support that I got in a very different way from the people that we work with and, you know, all the people I work with, even at other places, the support I got in terms of getting away and really spend this time of my family was incredible. Good. And the fact that I was just, you know, again, the support and knowing in very, very drastically different ways, but to feel that and to know that you're part of a place

that really sees you kind of as a family is, it's a big deal. It's a big deal. And when I did get back and I heard about what was going on, I was, you know, obviously shook. And I'm just glad that things seem to be going in the right direction, you know. Yeah, they really are.

And I appreciate it. And it's been long overdue with you that being able to get away and actually go and spend time with your family and to do it in a good style. And so that was hugely important to me, and obviously, you know, much more so to you and your family, but just to make sure that you had that time away.

And there was no pull because you have grinded on this thing for two and a half decades. And, you know, you and your family deserve it. And there's a lot more to come and I'm excited for it. So as, hey, as Saints Chair say, yeah, it's early, but it is five stars. Wasn't a five star day. Maybe it wasn't a five star show,

but it just feels like five stars. So thank you, everyone. We'll see you. We're back here on Monday. We're excited to get things rocking and rolling again. We've got the show. We've got the truth show. And we just got a lot to cover.

I feel like in college football. So excited for it. And Mench, as always, your five stars too, brother. Must be 21 plus and present in select states for Kansas in affiliation with Kansas Star Casino, or 18 plus and present in D.C., Kentucky or Wyoming. Gambling problem?

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