The McShay Show - Week 7 Reactions: Indiana Is Legit, James Franklin Is Finished, and SEC Squeakers | The McShay Show

Episode Date: October 12, 2025

Join Todd and Muench every Saturday night throughout the College Football season to recap and react to the biggest games, plays and prospect performances. 0:00 Welcome to The McShay Show!1:42 Week 7 Live Reactions! 6:32 Penn State Loses AGAIN! 19:38 Penn State Should Fire James Franklin, and Hire Curt Cignetti25:57 (7) Indiana Upsets (3) Oregon: 30-2052:15 Texas Upsets (6) Oklahoma: 23-61:13:54 (8) Alabama Defeats (14) Missouri: 27-241:22:50 (5) Texas A&M Defeats Florida: 34-171:26:34 More Week 7 Takeaways 1:37:15 Projecting the Top 12 Rankings The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Host: Todd McShayGuest: Steve MuenchProducers: Tucker Tashjian, Conor Nevins, Daniel ComerSocial: Alysha Tsuji Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You get your North Face hat on. It's fall. We got a North Easter coming. We got a North Easter coming. I got to send Tate to bed at some point. He's 11 years old. But it feels like the right time to shift this thing over. We appreciate everyone who's here.

We'll get to some responses and the conversation in the live chat. It's growing by the minute. And I love it. This is it. Bud, you know, we only have 194 days. Don't do that. Don't do that. Until the NFL draft.

Meant's you good? I was. One time now, talk. Good night, Tate. Boy. Good night, Tate. Here we are. I'm fired up.

And we got a lot to get to. Yeah, anything happened today? Holy smokes. This episode is presented by Duluth Trading Company. Ready to give rival tailgates the foam finger? Duluth Trading Company crafts Hall of Fame game day gear to help you grill hotter, cheer louder, and tailgate longer. Hibs loaded with pockets, gusseted pants so you can crouch without snuffing out your coals,

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Let's get into it. We'll get to all the football stuff in a second, but this is the best stuff we saw today. I know Evan Holly and Cole Marie always trade back. They're ready to go. Joel Anderson's fired up. Jeremy Godin, number two tonight with the crown hat on him. Jeremy Godin is really, he's getting this thing going.

Evan Holly with a Tucker shout out. There's a Todd McMichigan man who's number three. We get some fresh blood in here tonight. I like this. But we got three things, the best things we've seen today. start this is munch of course mench is going to add this to the to the situation the best things we saw today the thicker we'll call them the thick the thick kicker yeah you know you know talk to me about it go yeah this is all you uh look man it's just another example of a big man

being an athlete you know just there's so many things we can do everyone wants to talk about Travis honor but no one wants to talk about cars and roads you know we can play offensive line and kick and kick off in an emergency you know what i mean like it's like kaden proctor playing Wildcat quarterback today. The disrespect of the offensive linemen have received in the past of these just massive athletes I think has to come to an end and stuff like this that will help us one day.

And while I love everyone, our chat just doubled in size, and I love everyone who's here with us live, and I love everyone who's watching us on YouTube. But we also have an audio audience. It's watching this on Sunday morning, Sunday throughout the day, and even in the Monday, and we appreciate those folks just as much. And so I want to explain to you,

This was the fourth string. Throw it back up, Tucker. Would you please? This is the fourth string kicker named Carson Rhodes. And he's listed, like, in the bottom left corners, we're seeing a picture of number 67. At 6 foot 8, 310 pounds, a freshman from Nevada, it says underneath fourth string kicker.

They were down to their emergency kicker on kickoff. I want to know Iowa State. A, two things I've got to know. If anyone who's around that Cyclones program, please get this information back to me. First of all, how in the world did we get down to our fourth string kicker? Right. Not good. And secondly, at what point in practice did we open things up and allow and even allow a freshman at 6,8, 300 plus pounds to do it?

If that's the way they went, I mean, I wonder if they, you know, call time out or got everyone huddled at halftime and said, can anyone kick? Like we're out of bodies. And Carson sitting there, you know, I didn't in high school. Let's go. Yeah. Yeah, I was the thicker in high school. The thicker. That's such a good term.

All right, this next one I love. Oklahoma State, not a lot. We already fired our coach. We're at a crossroads. But they, this says Oklahoma State may have lost again, but this is a W. You watch this crowd. It started with one man, shirt off. they created a new student section

and it went from one man in this miserable Oklahoma state situation to a massive crowd everyone shirtless the whole section going nuts shaking their shirts in the air and it just became their thing like if you're going to be there on a hot Saturday afternoon

right in still water Oklahoma in October you might as well have some fun with it So I appreciate all those folks. It's great. It's the best, one of the best things you can be as a fan

is to be excited like that. It's awesome. And then my last one. This, like, I usually get like a smile, you know, sometimes like, you know,

to some of these things. This one, I found myself watching it on repeat and not laughing necessarily Penn State fans. I'm not laughing at the subject matter. But just the way this was done and produced in Zodakar with a man, just crying, laughing.

Throw it on touch. It says, Signetti has more top 10 wins in a month at Indiana than James Franklin has in 10 years. He's crying. There's a man in his car who's falling backwards and honking his horn falling into his pedal and brace. Oh, not laughing at you,

certainly not laughing with you. laughing. Just laughing. You know what? I was going to start with Texas OU, but let's just transition right into it. Okay. Selfish leadership can work for a long time.

Did you ever watch Hunt for Red October? Oh, yeah. Love that movie. Gene Hackman's role, God rest of soul. Yep. Gene Hackman was a very effective leader for a long time in that ship

in that submarine, right? Yeah. And it worked. And it was a dictatorship and it was his way and it was his messaging. And it was the things that he said that spoke for the program. And it didn't matter if it was for selfish reasoning.

The messaging was about the way he viewed the leadership and how things should run inside that vessel. but at some point with selfish leadership, Steve, what happens is something doesn't go right. And mutinies happen in different fashions and forms. On that boat, you can go watch the three and a half hour movie or whatever it is, and you can see for yourself how it manifested, how it grew over time, and what the end result was.

At Penn State, selfish leadership by James Franklin, you bring in really good offensive and defensive coordinators, and you replace a Tom Allen, who's a very well, you know, well-respected defensive coordinator, who goes to Clemson, you bring in Jim Knowles to try to upgrade from the National Championship Ohio State Buckeyes from a year ago.

You bring in different offensive coordinators. All those things can change. They're running, they're truly running the operation of the offense and the defense, while one man is overseeing the business. He's the CEO. You have an unbelievable backing. One of the greatest in all of college football.

Just watch the whiteouts. Yep. And it would be, it would be, I can't overlook the fact that what he inherited James Franklin was a program in despair. And yes, and Coach O'Brien was there for a minute. But like there were some major pieces. There was some major turmoil,

unlike anything we've ever seen. before and hopefully we never see again. Correct. So and it takes a certain kind of leadership to kind of forge on and let's let's put a barricade around and my the messaging that comes out here is going to be is going to speak for Penn State and this is how it is. And I am the man at the top and that's how it is just about every college football program and it's how it should be.

There should be one voice at the top. But selfish leadership always gets found out. And when things don't go right, steady, consistent, fair leadership, those sort of, like the right kind of leadership. I keep this quote on my desk, and I didn't plan on doing this.

But it's here every single day. Mac Brown and I were having a conversation. And he said to me, I wish I could do his voice better at certain times in my life I could. He was saying to me on the phone one day, Todd, I'm an old man, but life is saying, This is him as a head coach, national championship winner at Texas. I'm not saying he's the perfect leader.

I'm not saying he's the only leader. I'm just saying this is one example. Hell of a coach. I'm an old man, but life is simple. Be fair, be consistent, and do the right thing. And he went on to talk to me about what the right thing is, by your players, for your program, for everyone in your program, and oftentimes the right thing. thing, maybe isn't the best thing for you. Maybe doesn't make you the shining beacon all the time.

Maybe it's about self-sacrifice. There's a lot of different. I graduated from the Jepson School of Leadership. Yeah, you did. Any better than leadership coming out of University of Richmond than somebody else? No, but I know different forms of it. I had to learn it as part of a major in a program. So when I tell you, selfish leadership eventually gets found out and it gets found out in different forms. And there could be a mutiny on a ship or when things don't go the way they're supposed to, even though everything worked for you. Yes, you lost Tyler Warren. Yes, you lost Abdul-Carter. They're kind of generational college talents at their respective positions. I understand that. But your quarterback came back and you decided that quarterback was better

than Pibrola. Pribula. Pribula. Bo Pribula. Thank you. Gosh. Yeah. You decided that as an organization. And that's okay. But that's what you decided. And more importantly, you got your best two running backs back. You got pretty much a veteran offensive lineback. You had all those players come back on the defensive side. You chose Jim Knowles. You chose Andy at the offensive coordinator position. You made these decisions. Things start to not go right. And you lose that one game. Players aren't stupid, man, even when they're 18 to 22. years old. When they hear you come out and make excuse, I said it the second it happened, bud, you and I were sitting right here just a few weeks ago. I said, this doesn't fly.

Anyone who sat in a locker room, this doesn't fly. When you start making excuses for travel, and more importantly, like a few players were injured and we didn't recover. That's the part that got the players. I'm convinced. We didn't bounce back and then and then say the the requisite answer of, but at the end of the day, it's my responsibility. I'll take responsibility. Kind of like I have to say, I'll take responsibility. But everyone knows that you don't.

And so what's the result? Now a three-game skid. You lose to a program in UCLA. God bless them for what they're doing and put it together and all of that. But you can throw your helmets out there. And then much worse, because there ain't the travel. there ain't the one week injury thing. There ain't the hangover from a week before.

Yeah, you need a win. This is like facts against the wall. And if you as a leader are fair, are consistent, and you're doing the right thing day in and day out, this is not the response you're getting from a bunch of guys that are all going to go on to play in the NFL because they're that talented. I don't even say no disrespect to Northwestern because I am disrespecting Northwestern,

and I'm here to admit it. Come on, man. There is no, there's no comparison talent from one to the other. No, no, no, no, no, no. So with all of that said, I want to say two things. I think now leadership above the head coach, the head football coach at Penn State needs to step in. They need to step in because it's what's right for the, players let these players go play free for the last eight games of their of their careers in some cases

let these guys see new leadership and let the let the program the players in the program and the people working hard every single day in the program see that there's there's leadership above the leadership that they've had had to answer to that's been selfish leadership for so long that's going to step in and say you know what we know what's going on here isn't right and we're going to fix it now even though it's not going to save this season. Right. Yeah, it's good for recruiting and you can get started on the next head coaching and all of that stuff. But to me, this is about the players now. And there are some players in that locker room that don't get this twisted that are going to have to answer some really tough questions when it comes to the NFL draft when they start talking to scouts

and sit down those meetings in Mobile Alabama or at the East West Shrine game and especially at the combine and the one-on-one meetings and all those things. What the hell? happened. Right. He didn't go on the field with you. Yes, you are responsible for your own tape too, man. You're responsible for your own play, and that's going to be a thing that comes in. So I'm not giving anyone a pass here.

I'm just saying this is what happened. I've been warning people about this for a while. I know. Came to fruition. Before this year, I think. I'm not going to, yes, before this year. And I'm not going to shut up now. But I'm also not going to beat a dead horse.

But I'm telling if anyone at Penn State has the ear or, of anyone of the top two or three people or whatever committee or group it is that helps guide this decision, fire James Franklin tonight. Yeah. Don't let him back in the building next week. Don't, don't let this drag out.

It's not fair to these young men who have worked their asses off for this school and for everybody else around it. So that's my first thing. And then my second thing is, let me just say this to back up what you're saying. The way I see it is, they need to hit the release on that pressure valve.

And the only way you're going to do that is by severing your ties with James Franklin. Because then those kids are no longer feel like they're fighting for this coach, which I think is really misguided at this point. You know, there might be players on the team who are thinking to themselves and God bless them. If we play better, I can save my coach's job or I can do this or I can do that. And the reality is I just don't, maybe I'm crazy. I just don't see any scenario where James Franklin, even if it wins out, is somehow able to keep that job. It's just that bad now.

And I don't see them winning out. I think it's going to get worse before it gets better. So hit the release valve and let these kids understand like what the situation is so they don't feel like they're playing for something that maybe they're not playing for anymore. And I do think it's important for us to note as guys who cover the NFL draft and kind of the home base for what we do. The Drew Allen, it was I guess you get to this point. yeah, Drew Aller is lost for the season. James Franklin announced that at the press conference right after the game.

I guess you get to this point in the situation, and then you start kind of second-guessing. Like, why did we have to announce that? Does that make him, is that a lot? And maybe I'm totally off base, and it really has nothing to do with anything I'm saying. But even when I see him come out in the post-game press conference, to like, does that distract what's really going on a little bit?

Does that allow him to say, well, I got fired in the year where I lost my starting quarterback who's going to be drafted and all this. I don't know. But at the end of the day, I feel terrible for Drew Aller. And while I don't think his tapes is good as other NFL scouts I talk to and some other people who, you know, part of the national and Blesto lists and the preseason and all those sorts of things and some other analysts and different networks and all of that, I don't view him as highly as everyone else does. It seems so it seems. Yeah. I still respect the. hell out of the young man. Yeah, and he's also a young man that needed to be, and we'll see. It seems like it was serious. I don't, I, it seems like it's a serious injury. And he's a person who needs to be at the Senior Bowl or the East West game. He needs to be as involved in that pre-draft process as possible. And if this is something that prevents him from doing that, I mean, it's, it's just brutal.

To have that kind of a year and then not be able to go down there or to one of these all-star games and really show what you can do, maybe in a different, different situation. And I don't think there's, I don't know, we'll get more information. I saw even like, right. I don't, I don't know either. I don't know if there's a potential for him to maybe get some sort of medical red shirt from the NCAA or.

I saw something of Pete Thamele on, on, on, on X that suggests that he, he can't, but I don't know if you can petition that. I don't, I don't. A petition is what I'm, yeah. Like he currently is not eligible. And obviously he's played beyond four games. So like the standard, um, the standard eligibility is, is, is lost. in terms of coming back, but I don't know if there's some sort of petition or if he's even

interested in doing so. But that's something we'll obviously follow closely moving forward. But I do want to stay on this. And I'm going to put the cart before the horse here and I'm okay with it. And I will let you know right now when we're when I'm done making this quick statement and mention I talk about it, we will transition into Indiana, Oregon. And then we'll come back to Texas. O.U., okay? It's just how this thing's laying out. Okay. Um, coach signetti. Kurt Signetti. When he took the Indiana job, I want you to know this.

Indiana average 4.1 victories a season in the 30 years prior to the arrival of Kurt Signetti. IU for three decades was winning 4.1 games per season. He's now 17 and 2. He's now 17 and 2 at Indiana. Okay? And the only losses can. came to Ohio State and Notre Dame.

Yeah. And then I saw Google. I saw the resumes. He's up there with the Ryan Days, the Urban Myers, the Nick Sabins, the elite of the elite in this industry in terms of winning percentage in college. And yes, some of it was at James Madison and what was it? I UP, I UP before. But I just want to say something about the James Madison thing. They went from the FCS to the FBS and were competitive immediately.

So like, I know that you, they made a big jump in competition. And he even showed at that level going from one level to the next that he was no joke. Like right away, JMU was competitive. But you know what I needed to see from Signetti? What I saw today. Yeah. I needed to see it. And not only to beat in Oregon, a top four team in the country, top, what were they ranked?

Three coming in? Yes. A top three team in the country. But to do it at their place in front of that crowd. in that stadium with game date, like all of it. Now they're like they went from the lovable team that we all kind of knew. Anyone who really studied the tape knew like they are good and they're one of the best coach teams you'll ever see and they're this,

they're that and the other thing. But they went in and won is they didn't win because of some hired gun. We'll get to this game in a minute. They won because of the program and the program is run. Indian is run by a leader who believes, like, at his core, like, deep in his soul in what he's doing. And isn't afraid to tell you sometimes. And I'm telling you he's a different cat and he's not for everybody. Yeah, he is.

And we know people have worked with him and around him and all that stuff who are like, you learn to love him. But my gosh, there's a curve because he's so different than everybody else. And like the, oh, shucks or the this, like there's certain kinds of leaderships that we're used to seeing from, from high-level college football coaches. He's not any of that. So it's a new ride for all of us to get to kind of know who this cat is. But Kirk Signetti is a winner, and he is his program, and he gets the buy-in.

And so what I'm telling you here is, if I'm Penn State and I'm the people at the very top, I'm firing James Franklin in the next 24 to 48 hours. And I am making my only priority until it's absolutely, like, until there's no more brush fires out there until I've tried every single different way. And if it becomes extinguished, then it's extinguished and you move on. I am bringing in Kurt Signetti. And I also know this on good, like good authority. And there's some things I tell you that I can't tell you where they come from.

And I'm not trying to start stuff up. I'm just saying, I don't think he wants. wants to leave Indiana. I think he's thrilled with Indiana. I think he wants to take this Indiana program and shove it up everyone's ass. I think that's just in his, I do. I think that's part of his DNA mention. It's awesome. I know. I hear you. I think he is, I you do his core from like, they gave him a chance and he's going to, they identify with one another. They're both the, the programs that were like overlooked, the coach that was overlooked. I think, yeah, I hear you. But we all have a weakness. We all, there's a certain suite out there. There's a drug. There's an alcohol. There's a,

there's, whatever. I could go on and get myself. Everyone's got one. Everyone's got a, and Penn State might be. So I'm exploring. Might be Signetti's weakness. Correct. Yeah. It might be his soft spot. I hear you. I think you're right. I think anyone would. Oh, I don't think I'm right. Well, I think you're right. I think any program that has an opening at a Penn State level should be looking into Signetti. Like, that's a, that's a no better to me. I do feel bad for the Indiana fans and I have to listen to you talk about this, though. So my other, so my other advice.

I can't even enjoy it for a night, McShay. So my other advice is like if I'm in the end of folks, this program is going to make you so much damn money. Yeah. Pay him. Pay him. Give him whatever he wants. Because remember like the Bobby Night. stuff and I know this is in

Indiana and French lick and Larry Bird and all the stuff and the grass basketball courts and the shitty hoops I love it but you can be this too and this makes mo mo money yeah yeah I mean you

you could have a ride with this guy for a couple of decades dude Aden Fisher the linebacker talented linebacker was in the post game press conference saying this is why you come to Indiana that is so alien to me. Alien.

The idea that an Indiana football player is talking about, this is why you come to Indiana is to go to beat Oregon on the road. I mean, that is, but that's how they see it. And it's not only, that's how they see it. They believed in it before any of us, I could speak for myself before I believed it,

but they've backed it all up. They've backed it all up, man. That was so impressive today. I'm guessing we're going to do more. No, let's get into it now. Can I just bring up? Yeah. I just want to say that we talk a lot about Will Stein,

the office coordinator at Oregon, and he's awesome, and I love him, and we'll talk about, he's going to have better days than he did today. The defensive coordinator, Brian Haynes, from Indiana, I did not realize this. You talk about what Indiana is doing.

Indiana is investing in this program. No, I know. Haynes was out, was like, could have been out the door this past off season. They had to extend his contract, not once, but twice. They went to him December,

redid his contract, and then they were like, well, he's still getting a ton of attention. So they had to redo his contract again. That's how talented of this guy. Another guy that came from the J.Mutri, followed them up from Indiana, just unbelievable how good he was today.

To only allow 13 points to that Oregon offense at Oregon, because remember, they had the pick six. So it looks like Oregon had 20, but they only had 13 offensive points. I mean, Kenyon Sadiq was a non-factor today. Just a non-factor. They made Dante Moore look, he's a, Dante Moore, I think is an outstanding quarterback. They looked, made him look average today.

You would better stay on schedule against that defense, because if you get behind the sticks, they're going to heat your ass up. They're going to dial it up, and you are in real trouble. Why is it that everyone, that's interesting, I just saw we put up a poll. Will James Franklin be coaching Penn State next week? And it's 56%. 191. They don't think Penn State has, they don't, they don't think,

Penn State has the balls to do it. Really? Penn State. Why is he still there now? I mean, I'm going to be honest with you. And I don't have the exact. Can he be gone by now? This isn't the show.

Like, call, call, I don't need to do it. There's plenty of information. Yeah, what's the buyout? The buy. And I keep hearing like 50, 75 million. I keep hearing, like,

they both need to come to the table and do some sort of like buyout, you know, negotiation. Do you think he wants out at this point? he looked pretty defeated in that press conference man but when you're a selfish leader and this is about you yeah you want you can't you can't scatter fast enough from something like this dude that's so harsh but so i listen i hear you scatter that's a tough word man but i hear you because you see rats scatters and like sort of like little like yeah so i yeah Timothy Hart doesn't think Penn State has the onions.

They don't have the onions. We're going to find out. We're going to find out. Yeah. So that's a one way to start the show. Yeah. Also, but like, let's know what's getting in the game, right? Let's get into IU.

Yeah, because I, they deserve their flowers, man. I mean, they really, this Indiana team is freaking for real. I can't wait to talk at the end of the show where they are. A couple of things stood out to me. I want to get your, you take it wherever you want to respond. First is, this team a year ago was disciplined and like we always talked about like hat, like hat on hat blocking and like gap sound and like they did all the right things. And at a level that you normally don't see even in college.

And they did it on both sides of the ball. And their receivers are where they're supposed to be and they make tough catches. And it's things that you practice and it's things that you grind your play. through so that when they're in those moments, in the biggest moments, when you need a third and seven and you got receivers who are selfless enough to go over the middle and make the tough catches and take the hit, they'll do it. When you're in those big moments and you've got to run the football and you've got to pick up two or three yards, they know exactly their angles, they know exactly their technique and they're working five guys together instead of one, one and one

and two and all that. But the difference is, and I noticed this today for probably the first time, because I trusted my eyes watching it, they're just more physically gifted and physical. They're like, when they meet at the point of attack, there's a bigger crack or a thump. When they need to pick up two yards, they're getting the push and they're not just creating a little, like they're better than they were a year ago.

And I'm talking trench stuff. Yeah. The second thing, like, I thought, I expected today to be this quarterback, resurgence. I started the whole year with it. We're in the golden era of college quarterbacks and we're blessed to be alive. And it's been a nightmare, you know, from, from Arch to the Nussmeyer injury to Sellers injury to Aller, kind of doing what we expected he might do, but not to this level,

to like all, like across the board. But there was, but Mendoza was still doing his really good stuff at IU. And Dante Moore came out of. nowhere and he could be number one overall draft pick and so i'm watching this game today and it the game all had almost Steve Indiana Oregon top 10 teams head to head this mega battle rivaling oh u texas at 3 30 right yep almost had nothing to do with the quarterbacks not really but compared to what you would think with everyone in the media is telling you, number one draft pick, right? He's ready right now. He's my number one guy. I had him in September. No, I had him. I had him in 2023 and the five horrible starts at UCLA, right?

It's a race of the, what do you call on the Twitter, the draft? What do you call him? Twitter mafia? The Twitter mafia, right? So it's the ex-mafia now. And on the other side, it's gone from, yeah, he's, he's an intriguing, Mendoza is an intriguing day two prospect is where we left it coming into the year. And I don't think you've seen that. this massive change in his game where you're like, oh, he could be number one overall, to where I'm watching McAfee and amongst,

and McAfee doesn't just say stuff. I hope, you know, McAfee, if he says it, he's getting it from somewhere, whether it's a source inside the leak. When it comes to something like this,

I've learned for all the, the WWE and the, oh, oh, oh, all the, in the rip shirt, all the nonsense. He knows the stuff.

The reason that's the biggest show in the world is because he, when they get to the core of what they're talking about about certain things, they get it from somewhere they trust and they know it's real. Now, he's talking about number one overall. And I'm not saying I'm going to him for sources. I'm just saying, like, I've heard it a lot of different places.

So now it's going mega media. Mendoza number one overall. But I'm watching this game. And it's, yeah, like, I love Surratt. Elijah Surrott had an awesome. day. What did he finish with, um, I think eight for one something. I got it right here. It was eight for one, 21 under a touchdown. He had an awesome day. And, um, Cooper had a solid day. Seven for 58. There are my notes. I was going up the other. Okay. Um, yes. And so, and those guys are really good

players. They really are. Coming into the day, they had 53 catches, 8, 20, and 12 touchdowns combined. And, and Sarat is your ex. He's a big physical. possession receiver, right? Runs good routes, reliable, does a lot of his stuff on the outside. He'll come over, he'll do some of that, but he like really handles the perimeter, really good along the sideline, all those sorts of things. And then you get this. Oh, body guy, yep. Big body guy. Then Omar Cooper is six foot, probably 511 in change, around 200, 205, but but he's got some more juice averaging 18.6, I think it was coming into today. He didn't have the biggest game. I have seven for 58, so those numbers will come

down in yards per catch. But my point is, like, they compliment each other well. They're, they're the most underrated wide receiver tandem in college football in my eyes. Because they play for Indiana and everyone, no one's seeing it yet. Because they, right? Yeah, but we said it's going in. They got playmakers, man. Yes. Yes. And they do the little things. And then the, then the backs come in and they rotate them and they lost. They had two good backs of a year. But, but, just everyone's doing their job at a high level and there's a confidence and there's a belief. Yeah.

I thought, you know, what was interesting to me was the end of the first half. I think this gets overlooked in this game a little bit where the Oregon kicker, Sabington, Sappington missed a chippy. And Indiana went down and the kid Frankie hit a 50-yard field goal to put Indiana up three at the half. Yeah. And it just felt like a big. a moment. It felt like, wow, you know, if Indiana goes into that half-tide, I'm not sure they have any kind of confidence issues, but I do wonder if there was a part of Oregon that went

in and was like, man, we got a game. We're down three now. Like, we thought we were going in, up three. Our kicker misses a chippy. This kid hits a 58-yard vehicle. I think Indiana didn't score on the first job, but I'm pretty sure they got the ball back on the kickoff. And then, I mean, to me, that seemed like a kind of a shift in the game a little bit. And then again, you look at the offensive numbers for Indiana. They're good. They're not great. I mean, they didn't run the ball all that well.

They averaged, you know, what was it, three yards per carry? So it wasn't like they were lighting the world on, but it's just great complimentary football. It's about making plays when you need to make plays. You can be frustrated all day. You can be banging your head against the wall. You're not putting up points the way you want to be. You can be inconsistent.

All of those things can happen. But if you make plays at the right time, and you're willing to just keep sticking it out and doing what you're coached and what you're taught and what you believe in the game plan, which I do think Oregon does really well in most games, which is interesting.

I think both of these guys are very different coaches, but both excellent coaches. But Indiana just stuck to the plan, man. Play great defense, get some, you know, opportunistic scoring, and at the end of the day, make more plays when they matter more. My favorite comment on our live,

chat, which keeps growing and we appreciate this is the best part of the week. It was Saints chair saying, oh, no, car charger not working. We've all been there. Keep your eye on the road. Keep your eye on the road.

I like the love you, Mench, but we need to talk sellers ASAP. We'll get to them. We'll get to them. We got more tape to watch, unfortunately, on Sunday. And throughout, yeah, we do. We're not going to get, but like, Nuss Meyer ain't right, but he's grinding.

He's grinding. Sellers will get to that. We got Mendoza. Mendoza, let's get to Mendoza. And I do want to watch the tape. But Mendoza, I thought, made a handful of really good throws. That's his game, man. He's unbelievable throws.

He can make some really nice throws. And he's got some mobility and there's some things you like about his game. And I like, here's the problem I have, right? I still like him the way I liked him coming into the year, maybe slightly even better. Agree. But I can't stamp number one overall pick in the 2026 NFL draft on this guy who maybe he's got another year still of eligibility after this, right? I think he does. I kind of want to see him back at IU next year.

Yeah. With IU fans, hear me, with Coach Signetti. Okay. because I love what's brewing there in Bloomington. Oh, it's unbelievable. I want to get, I want to get to Jerry DeNardo's restaurant. I see everyone talk about restaurant places

and it used to just be steak and shake, and now we're growing. Well, De Nardo's got an Italian joint there, and you know I'm a sucker. We're talking about weaknesses, sucker for Italian food. You can see it on my cheeks, Mench. But Mendoza today was 20 for 31,

21, 215 yards, average 6.9 yards. you know, a completion, like it was. He's not lighting the world on fire. Like, I think some people think he is. The Illinois game is outrageous. That tape is outrageous. But he's come back down to earth. I mean, he is, you know, all these numbers,

I see them putting up about his numbers. I'm like, yeah, most of that's from the Illinois game. Like in the Indiana State game, that's, those are two monster games for him and good for him. But this is, you know, kind of what he is. He's a great, can I just say this, it kind of, tell me. if I'm off on this one. He's kind of giving me Kirk Cousins vibes. I'm getting Kirk Cousins vibes.

Did you really? I'm okay. I want two things. Let me I promise you. I'm not sure that's a bad thing by the way. Hold on. Hold on. We will get to this because I want to finish the conversation on this because I know it's been eating at you and I know you well enough. And if you got like if you guys want to get to know men, like really get to know them, hang around for the next three minutes. okay. I do want to say one of the things, there are a couple things on tape. We'll get to the other stuff. On tape.

And I forget who was calling it today. It might have been the, yeah, it was a CBS group. Oregon's, I guess one of the Oregon coaches, like there's going to be a Mendoza, like we're going to bait him into having like a Mendoza moment. And it's real. It's throwing off his back foot.

It's getting confused with his, first read, panic starts to set in. He just offers up too many. And this is the thing, I'm convinced this is why Signetti didn't want him going down to Manning Passing Academy this summer. This is why he wanted him around. This is why he wanted to isolate him and get him like, like breathing and ingesting every single call, every read and like in his system. Because he, this young man has a lot of those moments in him where he is talented. He is six foot four. He is 220 pounds. He is mobile. He can create. He does have a live arm. He's got all these great things. But when you go from high school where, and when Arch has dealt with a lot of this

stuff too this year, when in high school, those tools, nothing challenges you. And then you get to Cal and you're in a really quarterback friendly system. But when you have five, six turnover worthy plays or critical mistakes or mental errors, however you want to look at it, a game, it's not enough to sustain success over time. And it's certainly not enough to do it at the NFL level. And so Signetti has worked with him and this coaching staff for Indiana to try to cut down on these chances for him to go into old Mendoza mode, whatever they call it there in the building.

Okay. And today, and I'm looking at my notes, it was a very specific point in there, but he has that moment where he comes out. And, yeah, back foot throw. It's still his flaw. one careless moment can throw everything away. And then, but then what happened was, and this is the encouraging part,

I forget the exact moment that interception was, but you go back and everyone kind of knows. But then Indiana drives 75 yards and like seven plays later, a touchdown, whatever it was, or 12, sorry, 12 plays. Yeah. It was seven. When they needed it.

But not only when they needed it, it was after that interception. Defense gets the ball back, get the ball to Mendoza. I always look at how does he respond. Right? Because you're in Otson and it's loud and it's, that's a tough place and you get those beasts,

Bear Alexander and, and Marry Washington. Yeah, Amari, I always mispronounce it because it's, but Washington. And yeah, you got all these dudes up front coming.

So like, how are you going to respond? And he responded really. So that's another step in his, in his development. And he did that against Iowa, too. He deserves a lot of credit for that. He had a late pick against Iowa and made the play that won the game against Iowa.

So he's got, he's got some like, Kluyanza, some onionsa, some anianza in there, right? But then he goes to the post-game press conference and now Mench's got red flags coming out of the woodwork. That's okay. Go ahead. Just Kirk Cousins vibes, man.

Like super, you know, it's not a. bad thing. I don't think Kirk Cousins was an outstanding leader coming out of Michigan State. And I feel like we're going to say the same thing about Mendoza. I really do. But it's a super positive excited kind of, you know, like, you like that

kind of a vibe from him after the game. And maybe like maybe that's, I'm reaching. Maybe I am reaching. This was just my, I didn't think we're going to do this. Oh, Shocks. Grew up in, I'm going to help you through it. Oh, shucks. I grew up in, like, Middle America in the 1950s and 60.

We handled this fantastically, he said after the game. And I was like, oh, okay. Like, you know, that's, okay, all right. And that's the kind of thing that gets under Munch, who's a grizzly, beard, offensive lineman, New Hampshire from Andover from Massachusetts, like that. He, his senses pop up when he finds an awes shucks guy. Yeah, I kind of, really, I kind of do. It does.

But I want to be a big picture here. I want to say this. I like Mendoza coming into the year. I told you when I watched him at Cal was like, watch out this kid can do great things in Indiana, great fit for the scheme. I think he's going to be an early round draft pick when he does come out where that is. I just feel like the hype train is getting away. I feel like the hype train is rolling down the tracks.

And really, I can't wait for the quarterback show this week. And I know the McShay reports coming out with the quarterback rankings. And I can't wait for us to talk about that. Could I have picked a worse week? No. To update my quarterback rankings. Because I want to see what you got. There's been so much turmoil and chaos in that group.

Oh, you're getting, you're getting some stuff here. I mean, you get the guys on, you're getting the guys. And thanks Evan Hawley for realizing. I said,

Anianza, making up my own words. But one's like, hey, hey, but Kurt Cousins has been a top 10. John Wernicki saying, Cousins has been a top 10 most of his NFL career,

basically. Who cares, Mench? And then I get other guys saying, did I not say you like that or what did I say? Did I say Gene Haggard? I didn't say Crimson Tide. What did I say?

Hunt for Red October. Yeah, Crimson Tide, sorry. I did that whole thing. Chats really turning on us. No, no, no. But then the Indiana kid said Mendoza's a dork, but gave a heart sign. So Michael Villa, church camp vibes is a,

is an A1 comment. All right. I don't know, man. We'll see how it goes. I don't think Kirk Cousin is a bad quarterback either. I hear that. I don't think he's the guy you would have taken first overall or the quarterback you think you're going to get

when you draft someone first overall. There's a lot of bust there. I understand that, but. And we'll get to Dante Moore. I mean, it's an opportunity this week when we do the quarterback rankings. Do you want to know why you guys get so mad at me? when I'm like, just chill. It's okay, just chill.

It's okay for Nussmeyer, not to, like, the Twitter mafia racing to their, their thumbs to their phones trying to get out that I, I liked him in week four. No, I liked him in week three. No, I liked him in August. Well, shit, he didn't even start until this year, but I liked him before he started.

Right. And the Dante Moore stuff, like, I find, like, I had to come out and explain, like, I'm telling you this guy, Yeah, maybe he is number one overall pick this year. But what I've said it was sellers. I said it with arch back in May to the highest degree. Like stop, stop, stop.

I said it with sellers. And now, and I said it with Dante Moore. And it's not because I don't see the talent. Dante Moore is the most talented quarterback. He's the most talented pastor of the football, probably in the entire country. He makes throws and he does it calmly. and he maneuvers and he does all those sorts of things. But you want to know why I say, just everyone relax,

let him get the amount of starts of Jaden Daniels or a bow knicks and then see what we got on our hands. Because it could be pretty fucking special. Yep. But if we start rushing these young men into something that they're not ready for yet, not their fault, own fault, but because of circumstance and game experience and the critical matter. Today we got to see Dante Moore.

He's still the same special talent, still throws the ball the same way he did, still calm and pressure moments, all those amazing traits that are going to take him really far and make him a rich, rich man, and his kids are going to be rich, and his grandkids are going to be rich. And if they invest well and do some sort of like diamond trust, they might be generational money for Dante Moore and his whole family. But we saw it today why he's not ready. Yeah.

And we saw it, you started this whole conversation, defensive coordinator, Indiana. What's his name? Brian Haynes. How good was he? Brian Taines. I mean, he was unbelievable. And how good have we talked about Will Stein is? Unbelievable.

Unbelievable. And we saw that one point when they had the little foe roll out to the right and he created that open seamer out with the safety eyes of the backfield peeking, Dante Morthor's a wide open receiver touchdown. That's how good Will Stein is. Right. Will Stein got him in tempo for those three plays. it was bang bang bang touchdown

Stein drew that up he had that prepared had it in his bag pulled it out the right moment goes for six so we're talking two great defensive coordinators and we're talking about a great quarterback but we saw against a defensive coordinator that is at a high high level what just that little bit of

can I should I you know and the pressure looks and the coverage shifts and we saw today that an experience. And that's okay. And you know, he'll go back to the tape with Will Stein,

and he'll learn from this, and he'll keep getting better. And I don't know, you can pull up Oregon's record. But like, when he gets into bigger moments down the road, there won't be as much as this.

And he'll, so like, it's just a progression. And Oregon's an awesome team. I was just saying, Oregon's an awesome team. I think this might be, punched in the face by a team

that I think all of us, finally today, it's 12 to us. So it was, it was October 11th. 11th of 2025, we finally realized, oh shit, Indiana's for real. Yeah, apologies. Apologies to Signetti. Apologies to the Indiana football program. I don't apologize for last year. They weren't this last year. They were not this last year. No. They were. But you started to wonder,

well, Illinois's got all these injuries. Illinois is a paper, not even Tiger, but like talking about it was top 15 and up to ninth in the ranking. They weren't a top 10 team. And then they had all those defensive. And so Mendoza. picked him apart with 21 of 23. But this team is real. And he ran into Dante Moore, that is, ran into, and by the way, I said it too when I went back and studied his tape, they missed the other wide receiver who got injured.

Evan Stewart. Evan Stewart tremendously. And I'm in love with Decorian Moore, number one, true freshman. But they need another guy. And they don't, they didn't have that. So they'll keep getting better. But Oregon's one of the best seven, eight teams in the country, I still believe.

It's just, I don't think you can get past three in the rankings without putting Indiana in there. I think Indiana is number three, we'll get to that later. All right. Anything else on Indiana, Oregon before we move on to Texas OU? Again, I think hats off to Indiana, they deserve everything that they're getting right now. I will say that this is the game. I wouldn't call it like Ohio State's Michigan game last year, but this is a game that we

could look back in December and January and be like that. game maybe wasn't the worst thing that happened to this Oregon team. Well, how? How? I think that Will Stein's going to go back and look at this tape and say there was things that were working that we got away from and there were things that we could exploit. I think defensively, there's things that they could do a little bit differently too. It's one of those things of you can't, you understand that you can't slip. You know, Oregon was one of those things last year where Oregon was perfect until they weren't,

right that Oregon team was awesome until they met Ohio State after the buying the playoffs and then looked very normal this year you get that loss earlier get that loss against a very talented Indiana team and you can look yourself in the mirror and be like hey we're a flawed football team and this is what we need to work on and this is what we need to fix and I think that that's an opportunity for your team to grow this episode is sponsored by American Eagle so it's official American Eagle just launched their exclusive limited edition collab with true color by Travis Kelsey. And we could not be more excited to check it out.

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Arch Manning is a different human being. How about that segue? Let's go. Archmanning is a different human being from the guy who looked like he was mentally paralyzed in the first few weeks. And it started obviously with that Ohio State game. He was paralyzed not because of like,

he was paralyzed because I don't think there's in the history of college football, but a player who's come in without being a full-time starter and has had that amount of pressure coming from every angle, NFL draft, Heisman favorite, national championship expectations, name on the back of the jersey, uncles, grandfather, all of it.

And then he ran up against, by the way, what we've come to realize, we might look back on this Ohio state defense. I'm telling you this match. I'm starting to believe it as like a generational defense. And it, it's like, it blows my mind.

mind because there's a new defensive coordinator. Right. Everyone has been in this role, really. And that eight guys drafted and this group is better. It is wild. More vicious, more violent, more versatile, more multiple. I think they finally gave up a red zone touchdown today, but they, like the, I mean, their red zone defense is just silly.

Like it does, I don't even understand it. So he walks in with all of that pressure mounting, and it's too much for any individual. I don't care if you were raised a manning and you're like born and bred for this. It was too much. And I'm not making any excuses. I don't care. I already told you he sucked against Ohio State. And like I don't, I'll text his grandfather and we'll talk about it.

Like it's all an open book. The tape is the tape. But when you walk into the shoe in week one with all that pressure on you and you go up against that, that defense, those. those schemes, it's not going to look pretty and there's going to be a residual effect and we talked about that.

And I told you, I thought it was weird that I would even think this, but was it Sam Houston? Yeah. Seeing him play with like a little, and it wasn't that play where he's standing over the defender,

I don't care if he did it or didn't do it, like just be you. But it was seeing the way after a throw, he was starting to carry himself a little different. It felt like the right people were getting into his head

and I'm starting with Sark. Like, let it go, man. Let it go. I'll be up front about that. To me, that felt manufactured. And maybe you need to manufacture it. Maybe you need that spark. So maybe that's what it was.

That felt manufactured today. Today did not feel manufactured. But then you and I both agreed it was the offensive line. It was the lack of a run game. They're not the same without C.J. Baxter, yeah. Yeah. It was all the, in the defense out of nowhere, just kind of had a stinker again.

against Lagway in this offense that was like nothing. Yeah. So Dallas wasn't put on a show. But we both agreed that was his best game so far, including the two starts last year. We saw more from, I know this. I saw more from Arch against Florida in that loss

than I could take away substantially, like with substance, than any of the other starts he's had. Okay? And I saw a guy who was like, this is on me and I'm glad it's on me and let's start to go. And he was playing free and all that. So he comes into today and the numbers aren't outrageous.

No. He didn't put up 350 or like him, but he made the key throw like that throw rolling to his right man, third down, backed up in your own end zone, rolling to your right and making that fucking and placing it perfectly to get the, that was like, that was a field position.

position changing deal. That kind of changed the whole outlook. Because Oklahoma had played to get them back, pinned back. And they had him in the right spot. And it was third and eight. And he's backpedaling into, I think he was in his end zone or the shadow of his end zone. And like you got him right where you want him.

This is arch. He's overrated. He played terrible high school ball. We'd be nothing well out his last name. We're going to fucking show him right here. We got him. not so fast yep eight for nine on third downs he was at that moment eight for nine unbelievable so it was 21 for 27 they needed and he's spreading the ball around it wasn't just his roommate

the redsure more sorry to play a little bit of a role today yeah Andre more had some big catches and Wingo had some big catches and and injuries the tight end who's really talented he's involved me too and so now we get this thing rolling and it's not beautiful and they're not but that also I wanted to let people know that defense is top 10 in the country i don't care what you say that oklahoma oh yeah relentless yes so i'm not saying i'm not saying arch is back in the heisman race because he's not i'm not saying archman might be ready by the end of the year for the nfl draft because my lord he is not and the most important people in his life no he is not okay and i'm not saying texas is back in the national championship run.

Like, I'm not even saying that. Maybe they will be. Maybe. I might have my top 12 night. With five other teams, 10 to 12. But I am saying he's starting to play with confidence that you need to play with, to be the Texas quarterback, to have this pressure on him. And now if this offensive line, which I thought did a terrific job in the second half, man.

And I'm curious to hear what you have to say. I thought this offensive line played like Oklahoma in the second half was the one with the offensive line making mistakes. Yeah. Penalties. Clearly. You know what I mean? Yeah, they felt the pressure.

Yep. Whatever clicked, they weren't beautiful. It wasn't like domination, but it was 20 nothing in the second half. Yeah, listen, it's like Oklahoma was the smelling salts for Texas. I mean, they all looked more like today. They all looked more like into it. The energy felt completely different. And very interesting coming into this game that John Mateer is cleared right before the game.

And it feels like the Undertaker. You know, we're going to get the Undertaker music coming. And here comes John Matier running down the tunnel. And he's going to be the story of this game. We'll get into him in a minute. Like that could have easily, you know, overshadowed what happened today. But instead, it just, it seemed like it woke them up. And it was exactly what they needed.

And like, that's just, that's awesome to me. And then you look at his game. He's 21 for 26. that's awesome for Arch. That's awesome for any quarterback, but that's awesome. 166 yards, I don't care. I don't care that that number's high. And the reason why is now you've learned how you win.

Now Arch is learning this is what we need to win. I don't have to throw for 350 yards with this defense. If we have a good run game to complement this passing attack, what I'm doing now, then we know we can beat really good teams this way. And once you have that down, you start to build. Now we can see what we were hoping was going to have. happen after the Ohio State game and really look like it was sputtering a little bit. He's now gotten to a point where he's in a good spot and now they build out from that.

And now you're going to see, I think, him really start to grow. And what that looks like at the end of the year, I don't know yet. We'll see. But he's put himself in a good spot with the way he played today. I totally agree. And I purposely started with Arch because, like, I honest to God, and I said it on our group chat all week long, I said it to Chris. Fowler who called the friggin game.

I was certain. I didn't even call my source to reach out because I was so certain a human being doesn't break his thumb, anyone who's held a football in their hand. Like, hold on. Flat ball, but like, do you know how much pressure I'm putting on this? Is that a Brady ball?

That's a Brady ball, right? It's a Brady ball. Yeah, we used to play with it. We had to retire it to the shelf. Like, I've got four fingers. no three no four I get four four fingers here to kind of rest it and the pressure more is on these two fingers all that but like I only got one thumb underneath this thing and and I'm telling you

I didn't think it was like humanly possible to fracture a bone in your thumb whatever bone it was whatever that a carcel parcel tarcel whatever it was one of the tarsels yeah and three weeks later you're back playing And so like when the game started, I was like, oh shit.

The legend of Mateer grows. Yeah. And I've told you about that Texas tech game when he was at Washington State and they're up by 17 points and he's running down. He's just get out of bounds or sliding. He doesn't. And he's pushing guys away a play that I'm sure scouts will talk about. And he's stiff arm and all that stuff. And now he comes and bets on himself one year.

And he goes to the SEC. He sees the schedule. And you can see the like the Disney movie or whatever it is. you can say no i'm betting on myself i'm bringing i'm bringing buck with me our buckle and i are going down to the cc let's put hey hey i r buckle let's find let's find the program that needs a quarterback with the toughest schedule out there let's go show them we can do this thing and you come out and you beat michigan and we're rolling and we're five and oh but i got injured but what's the perfect part of this hollywood story as the legend of mityer grows

this gun slinger from Oklahoma and now it comes up with I'm ready to go. Can't miss the Texas game. I've got one and a half thumbs, but I'm, right? And he goes out there. And then he goes out there in the first drive

and he's slinging the ball. And I'm like, okay, fine. And it's like, and let's roll. But you know what I didn't think about because I was too busy talking myself into

that Venables is a defensive coordinator Venables has done this before and he's got a history of it. And as a defensive coordinator, you think about what's there, it's Texas's DC thinking, Quikowski, right? Yeah. What's he thinking? And what does he not want to have to do during Texas' oh, you week of preparation? He doesn't want to prepare for two quarterbacks.

So I'm going to get a, hey, Thamel. Listed as probable, you know? And so I had this all in my mind. There's no way he's played. Now he's playing. I just didn't spend the time this week to think about the possibility of him playing and then the possibility of him playing, how would this affect his play? And Mateer had Mateer moments, but what Matir is done over the course of his last two years

is he's really reduced those moments. He's cut back on the three interceptions that he had today. We've seen, though, like those are in his bag. There's no question. I'm not hiding it or not deny it. I absolutely love John Mateer. And I'm going to have them graded higher than probably most guys in the NFL. I believe in him.

For all the reasons I'll explain to you that I have to this point, and I'll continue to explain to you leading up to April. I just love them. And I see some of the baker stuff like, fuck yourself. I don't care that I'm undersized. I don't care on them this. I don't care that I'm that.

I'm just going to out sling you. And I'll probably get cut from the first team or get traded or shipped out. And I'll go to another team and I'll bounce around. I'll find a home and I'll win. And I kind of just get that vibe. And then I talked to Nagy and I talked to some people and they're like, the person, the competitor, all the things match up. And so like I love him.

But we saw without the preparation, the practice and with sitting out for three weeks and in that game, in that moment, against that defense, it's almost like he reverted to the worst version of himself. Because I tried. And I went back. I tried to look and I was rewinded just I'm not I didn't have the tape it wasn't out yet I'll get it tomorrow but just the TV copy which gets really mucky when you have the the YouTube yeah or screen multi-screen and then you got to go the one and then you get anyway and they just

were all on him and they all three in different ways were bad decisions and they all three in different ways were bad balls yeah and so unfortunately this wasn't the legend that grows now what? Because we can sit here and we can talk about oh, use defense and we can break down plays and series and all that stuff. But now what I'm most curious about is, now what? Yeah, so let me ask you this. Do you think all the picks today were mental more than physical? I mean, I saw a guy who was looking down at his hand. It seemed almost every throw and was doing the flex.

And to me, it looked, the interceptions look mental to me. And, you know, Fowler made a great point of saying, you know, he hasn't played football in three weeks and this is what that can look like sometimes. And I get all that. I'm actually more concerned going forward about how healthy that hand really is. And I'm not a doctor. That's my point.

Yeah, we'll see. Like, what does that look like? And the adrenaline of this game and coming back for this moment. How does he feel tomorrow morning? Right. And so what's our plan now? And I don't, he's that world renowned doctor. I don't have it on the tip of my tongue

and I don't have any notes here. Obviously, there's had to be assurances that you can't, you're not going to make it worse by going out and playing. And I don't know anything about this. So I'm sitting here like humbly saying, so now what?

Because I know that schedule. I know that schedule is brutal. I'll pull it up right now. I know it's brutal. And now are you questioning, not should we have started him. first of all the medical component like did it get worse is it just not ready all that stuff did we bring him back too early but then you're wondering okay is this the this is the part i really want you to hear me and everyone in

the audience i really want you to hear because let's just assume that this this doctor who's like the world the greatest hand surgeon in the world apparently there's oil money in oklahoma too that he wouldn't have cleared him or said, I'm okay with it and said, John, you know, you've got an NFL career coming up, like, let's be smart. There probably had to be an assurance of it may not feel right. You may not be this, this and this. But if you're throwing the ball well enough, it's not going to get worse. We put the screws in.

It's not like, so assuming there's no more damage, but it's just like there's recovery time, right? Yeah. I'm just curious, I don't, because I don't have the answer. I'm pretty sure you don't either, but it'll be very interesting to see, is this the best of Mateer until he can step away from football for three months or whatever it is and rest it? And I hope not. Do you know what I mean? Yeah.

Yeah. I do. I mean, I'm fascinated to see how this goes. And it's, we don't have enough information or I don't have enough information to second guess the decision. but I'm anxious. I'm not even second-guessing the decision because if anyone read the McShea report and Tucker, let's throw that up.

We got a big week of the McShay report coming up. Mid-season quarterback rankings. This is why I shouldn't be allowed to make my own schedule because I thought it was a great idea after all these games and now I'm more confused than I was coming in the week. But I promised it, so we're going to do it on Thursday, the 16th. Then the next week, top 32. I feel better about the big board top 32.

But these are big, like I haven't released the quarterback updated rankings. If you came to our live show in Chicago, I gave you a snippet, but even since then there have been changes. Thursday, October 22nd, we're doing the big board. And then we're going to do the premium subscriber Q&A. Google the McShay report. Please become a subscriber. There's over a thousand of you on this to call right now. Let's get some of you people on there right now and help support this.

But I know I was going somewhere with this. It's getting late. But I just... Mateer. Yeah. With Hawkins, you had to play in Mateer. Oh, sorry. Thank you.

So I did the whole McShave. That's how we got there. Thank you. You're not the best wing man in the world for nothing. I did the breakdown on Hawkins. And I'm not saying that's why they started, Meteer. I'm just saying they were hoping he was further along and he wasn't. And I just watched him throwing against Kent State and they blew him out 44-0.

And there were so many red flags in that game. I can't imagine of what today. today would have looked a lot worse with Michael Hopkins. I understand. Let me counter. I'll counter that. Do you take that loss? And I know it's such a rivalry and it's such a great game.

Man, I love that game. That game is awesome. Do you go in that knowing that you're not in a great position to win that game if it means you're in a better position to win at South Carolina, to win against Ole Miss, to win against Missouri, to win against Alabama? It doesn't get easier from here. I know how these things work. And I'm not sharing a medical.

If he can't go next week, though, Hawkins is playing. So you might have to play Hawkins in some of these games now. Whereas if you'd wait, and they were prepared to do that. It's all about getting Mateer in as many possible games, right? That's what I'm saying. It's for, there's a different, there's different elements. Yeah. For Mateer, Mattier's got the toughest job, the toughest part of all of this.

And he's the least equipped. And I mean that out of total. We all are. Yep, we all are. The person, the competitor is the person. who is the least equipped to make a smart decision when it comes to this stuff. Right. You know?

Yeah. Truly. Honored out of 100. Always have 100. 100 out of 100, right? Yes. And so it comes down to probably a doctor saying, well, you won't make it worse, but I maybe would record.

Who knows what they said? I don't even like to speculate. Yeah, we don't know. Yeah, right. We're falling in a rabbit. And then you have everyone. And I don't even think Venables is one of the good guys. Venables would do right by this young man.

Oh, I'm not even questioning that. No, no, no, I'm just saying the pressure of, and then if, if, if, if the message to John is you can do it and it won't make you worse, but maybe I'd recommend, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, you know, like all the frying print. The only message that's going to Venables and Arbuckle and the whole staff is he said it won't get worse. So let's do this thing. Let's do this damn thing. Because I am, I, I'm the guy who right up 17 points is looking to stiff arm guys, 40 yards downfield when everyone else would, that's sane. would just slide and go on to the next play and run the clock out. So that's that.

Yeah, blink 1-289. Good to see you tonight. 126-8-9. Good to see you tonight. But I disagree. Venables didn't do right or wrong, but like Venables. Yeah, when I say that, I want to be clear. I don't think Venables would ever make a decision knowing this is going to risk him for the next five games.

What I'm saying is when they look back at it, are they going to say, oh, we could have handled that better. which everyone will do. Like we should or if we had done this, maybe we would have been in a better spot. That's what I'm talking about. They did the best with what they had. There was no question in my mind that that's the case. If I have all sound critical of Oklahoma or Venables,

I apologize. That's not what I'm saying. No, I know that. I do want to mention this real quickly before we go on. Like those Texas DBs today were absolutely awesome. I don't have the final numbers. Jolani McDonald looked like every single time I looked up he was making a play he was all over the field

malik mohammad had the two interceptions just showing up in big moments michael taff is the absolute enforcer those guys were awesome and then ryan nibble it like that that part return will go down in texas lore like one of the it's such a red river moment right red river moment right there i saw it i was like yes this is what's great about this game man there's always this feels like there's always that moment right yeah um by the way colin simmons i felt like he's kind of been

Oh, like, where's Colin Simmons? I wrote in my note. Hey, good to see you out of witness protection. Yeah. Well, I guess the pressure numbers are good. I haven't seen it. I have not. With this kid, and let's be clear, Colin Simmons,

every time you throw on the game, you expect him to be doing. Abdul Carter stuff. Yeah. Just a bull in a China shop. Just wrecked. Micah Parsons stuff. Like, yes.

And today, he played like Colin Simmons. That was a Colin Simmons game. It was awesome. I totally agree. Okay. we got a bunch of other games. We're not going to get to all of them, but I do want to get through a few quick.

I go back. We talked about Georgia and Auburn. I'm glad we got to that. Alabama, Missouri, to me, was the third most impactful, third or fourth, whatever it was, game of the day. Man, I feel for Missouri fans

because like every time you think you're, like, this is the year, this is the team, it's just not quite, right? Just not quite. But I want to be honest. A physical team, man. But I actually want to be honest,

dating back until you'd have to go back to like Chase Daniel in that kind of era with a Pinkle, right? Yeah, yeah. Where this is the first time since then where I was like, but they're a lot closer. That's a physical, tough team, man. That is a rugged team.

That defensive line, they got some dudes. I mean, it was... They made Ty Simpson's life miserable today, and Ty Simpson is emerging as one of the top quarterbacks in the entire country. Ty Simpson's doing things, and I'm not talking physically. I'm talking about mentally timing, reading defenses, negotiating safeties. He's doing next level stuff, and it's shocking me week after week.

So when I say, like, they made him... him grinded out today. That is a, like, that's the best praise I can heap on you, you know? Like, this guy's just doing it. Like, he's on a role since Florida State. And even in that game, he wasn't bad. And people were like, whoa, since Florida State. Like, if you go back and watch, like, he was, he did a lot and didn't have a lot of

help. But there was a lot of stuff in this game. Let's start with this. Yes. Mizzou's fake punt. That was an absolute screw job. you thought he got it absolutely and you know who screwed him you know who screwed him and i can say this because i've been there i actually climbed a crane i think it was georgia missouri

climbed a crane during the reconstruction of the stadium scared to death um i can say it because i've been on the field with like in all the production meetings and all this stuff like what really screwed them is they didn't have the technology and that game or the number of cameras. Each game has different number of cameras. And I think you'll notice, like you've watched something on an SEC network or the ACC network or the ESPN Plus. They're not getting Herbie and Fowler's cameras or even McDonough.

Yeah. And this is a huge game. No question. Monster game. Eight versus 14, but it was the third crew. Yeah. And maybe it wasn't even because that today. but I'm telling you it was they didn't have that down the line

angle of it and they needed that but you could tell if you like common sense told everyone including the announcers I forget who they were in that game including the the rules and like everyone agreed he got that first down but I think it was Joe that was Joe Tess and Jesse right yeah I think it was but everyone also kind of had to come to the realization like, oh, shit, there's not enough to overturn it. But that was a huge play in that game. And the onions there. The onions there to fake the punt. And then Ty Simpson makes that throw on fourth and eight. My God. Did he make that throw? And by the way, who is this Lottie Brooks out of nowhere?

We've got Isaiah Horton. We got Jeremy Bernard. We got Ryan Williams. all of a sudden this freshman Lottie Brooks, that was the guy who caught that fourth-down catch. I know. It's 4 for 58. He had a 29, like, I guess he's a freshman. I think I've watched a fair amount of Alabama's offense. That receiving core is silly.

It is just ridiculous that this kid can show up at the sixth game of the season and start making plays like this. It's amazing. And it's like the chicken or the egg, right? Like, which came first? Is it because Ty's playing at such a high level? or is he elevated because of the, I don't care. I just know Alabama, Alabama's offense has become like,

it's rocket ship. Like program, yeah, like, this is like, you got to schedule the time. Make sure you're by your, by your TV. I hope Jam Miller's okay, by the way, because that, it changed, the game shifted a little bit when he got knocked out of the game too. Yes. So hopefully he's all right. Because he's, that running game is just different with him.

Different. I thought it was really cool to see. It was that fourth and eight. It was the fourth in goal. There were decisions made. DeBoer used to do this. I think it was with Pennix, right? DeBoer, when he trusts his guy?

Yep. He trusts. End of the world. It's you and me, kid. Let's go. And he's now trusting. Those are the moments that you've seen with DeBore was certain yet, not with Jalen Milra.

Yep. These are moments. I trust my guy. I trust my play. The play calling. I've got, was it, Ben Grubb, right? Yeah. We got this thing set up the way we finally want it.

And so it's pretty cool to see that. And it's also pretty cool to see Alabama. Pribula played really well, man, until that final drive. And they were desperation and all that. And he had the open receiver. and he made a throw that he probably that he'd love to have back. Regrets, yeah. But he played pretty well.

But what, but you come into that game if you're Alabama and you, we got to stop Amad Hardy. And I did the, the tape breakdown on them for, yeah, for our new show on Thursdays that I'm, I'm pumped about and Mench named it.

Go ahead, Mench, use your name. The rough draft. Rough draft on, on Thursdays. It's our, it's our bleep you to, first draft and all the other nonsensical shows i helped build that thing and i was proud of that thing kiper and i used to do that thing nonsensical is a funny word for it on on flip phones and built it

into something nice and now it's i watch it i want to throw up um anyway amad hardy only got 12 carries today thank you for getting us back on track yeah isn't that weird because they bottled them up. Yeah, they did. And I was worried when I watched that time. I wasn't worried, like I've been worried about some other guys who I don't think this is going to work against up because of the offensive line. I was worried because I noticed in Hardy he's so damn talented, and so physical and runs hard and patience. But I told you the one thing, when he's got to change, he doesn't go and against a fast defense, that becomes a problem. And so the 12 for 52, two didn't shock me, but it did still surprise me because I thought that offensive line's good

enough that they're going to spring some holes. They just, they just did. There were a couple, but didn't really throw out that game. And so all of it went on Perbula, and Perbula played really well. And Kevin Coleman was, he went in the witness protection. He only had one for two, one catch for two. Yeah. But this, but this freshman, Donovan, Olobode.

Olubodi, yeah. Olibote, three for 55, but had some big clutch catches. So this Missouri team is good, man. They're top 15. I believe, like, it'll shake out and all that. They'll be top 15. But, but, but I, they're not quite there yet, you know. No, I agree.

By the way, side note, if you're a Penn State fan and you're watching Perbulo play at this level, it wouldn't have changed all the, I'm just saying. I thought about that though. I did think about that. Watching him today against that Alabama defense and making some of the throws that Allard just has never been and probably never will be able to make.

Yeah. That's a tough pill to swallow. I don't know. I've got... We talked Georgia Auburn. Keldrick Falk is so damn good. Yeah. I mean, I know they love.

I'm just, I'm going through some of my quick, jot down notes. A&M with a big win over Florida. Notre Dame handles business against NC State. Let me say this about A&M. Sorry. No, go for it. You like to get in your teams. Did you see how hot Marcel Reed was

to start that game? Blazing hot. Did you see how hot? Go ahead. Legway? Yeah, they were going back and forth early on, yeah. That was awesome. Awesome. And then they both cooled off. They did. but this is why I trust Texas A.

I'm still not there yet because Marcel Reed is still developing. But this A&M, Texas A&M is a team. Texas A&M doesn't have just one great quarterback or a big receiver or a couple great athletes that they paid for, even when you couldn't pay for players. And we all knew they were. Texas A&M is a team and it's because of Elko. Yeah.

Some guys are just program builders. And it's not this, this kumbaya bullshit, you know, meet by the fire and have bonfires and crackling wood and tell your life. It's not, it's like they know how to run a program. Right. And they do it efficiently. And they do get you to band. And you know what gets you to love your brothers more than anything in the world? I think we're all, it's winning.

And it's seeing and it's also seeing that if. If one unit's not good, the other one will pick them up. If the passing game isn't good, the running game will pick it up. And Reed was hot early and then cooled down. And Craver and Concepcion had some big plays. And Craver jumped out early. He had like three for 55. And it was like, let's go.

And then he didn't. And then he finished with like three for 55 or whatever it was. Right. Debtzone had some more, but no monster games in the passing game. But they ran the ball. with a four-headed monster and they balanced the thing out and the defense played well

and the biggest thing is they made adjustments this is a coaching staff that's making in-game adjustments like like they they completely on both sides of the ball dominated this game against a damn good football team

Florida is a damn good football team from a talent perspective. We saw how good they were against Texas right? Texas is just beatos. like all of it, six degrees of separation. Kevin Bacon. And so the stability. You know,

I thought about what, stability to Texas A&M that I can't remember in my lifetime them having. When Elko Marcy's Glocum, but they weren't that good. Yeah. They were good, but they were never that good. This team is a top five team in the country. Wait, you're not a Jimbo guy? Huh.

Dennis Rodman. But when Elko made the quarterback change. Yeah. When Elko made the quarterback change last year, that told me a lot. That this guy was like, I've identified what I need to do. It's best for the team. And I'm going to go ahead and do that right now. And it was, oh, okay, that that's how it's going to get run.

It's not going to be this quarterback who had all this buzz about coming in this year and being a high draft pick and all that. No, I'm going to make the change now. I think that was a, that told me a lot about how Elko was going to run the program. Give me some thoughts on, because we're going to, this is a perfect, not a perfect time, but we're transitioning towards what we have to do at the end of the show, which is mess around with this top 12 before we let everyone get some sleep before Sunday. Everyone has responsibilities on Sunday. Hopefully you and take your families and everything else.

I want, I'm going to throw a couple things out at you. Okay. Sellers. Everyone wants to know what Manchester say. Terrible numbers. I saw, I was getting in and out of that game. I'm not making excuses for it. We'll see what the tape says.

I will tell you that when I did throw that that game on, they had, I saw two drops. And then also I saw him running for his life almost every time he had the football. Like, and now maybe something's available downfield that we'll see on tape. But it looked to me and I'm going to be honest about this. I said what was going to be great about this case was we're going to have a clean evaluation at the end of it because of the level of competition he's going against. And I, and you kind of hinted at it. And I don't believe that anymore because I just don't think the support. recording cast is that good. And it's going to be him just trying to push a boulder up a mountain a lot of the time.

And I know I'm making excuses for him, but I still feel very high on Sellers until I see the tape that, like, scares me away. But he had 22 carries for 19 yards. So that tells you something right there, 50 for 27, 124 yards in interception. I know the numbers look terrible. But what I saw, what I did see of that game, he was getting almost no help and just shrugging guys. off and trying to extend plays and trying to make stuff happen. On the other side, I will not lie to people and say I watched enough to give a full evaluation, but I've seen enough going back and watching the tape and we'll get to a lot of it next week with the quarterback updated rankings. Garrett Nussmeyer is not 100% healthy.

There's not a single person in this world, including Garrett or Garrett's doctor, who could come tell me that he is 100% healthy. He is not the same human being that I saw throwing in, in, Kibodeau, Louisiana this summer, and he's certainly not the same guy I saw throwing last year, and he's grinding through it, and he's the all-time competitor, and it's just how he was wired. It's like he's, it's a life in ball. This young man has, has had a life in ball with his dad in the NFL quarterback and a quarterback's coach, and now the offensive coordinator at the Saints.

It's been a life in ball. And you know what quarterbacks do when they have that in their DNA? They don't say a fucking word about it. Yeah. He did have a Nussmo. moment tonight. He had a Nuss moment where he had this great scramble and you can just tell he's feeling himself and then a couple of plays later he threw a red zone pick. And the way he walked off the sideline, he was like, God damn it. You can just see it in his face. Like, you know,

just got excited and he's feeling himself and he tried to thread one in there. It just they don't, they're purposely not throwing the ball down the field. And I know Aaron, it was Anderson, right? The top receiver was out and all that. More importantly, I don't know. I don't even know if I trust this. I don't know who the technology was, so I'm not going to source anything. But I saw some graphic today, and I thought it was fascinating,

but like it's not, I don't put as much stock in the arm strength as some people do, but it is what it is. And it said that they have some register of arm strength in college football, maybe they're doing the NFL now too. Velocity or something?

I guess it's velocity. And they can, they track everything. I mean, they can track how many steps you took from when you walk out of the locker room, so you came back, your heart rate. Like they track everything.

You'd be shocked at some of the data that they have on these players at the college level and then that transfers to the NFL draft and the scouts. It's remarkable out of 177 quarterbacks that they've registered in this. And if you're out there and you want to contact us at McShay 13, at your good mention on X, I'm McShay, McShay 13 on the Graham and, in wherever else. You know how to find me.

Or jump on this chat with us. I'd love to know more about the technology and maybe it's something we can talk to you about as we get ready for the NFL draft. But out of 177 quarterbacks in this arm strength measurement that they're doing now, he was 172. Ooh.

He's not right. That's, yeah, that's not right. So, like, again, then how do we measure that? and I'm not talking about the arm strength. I'm talking about evaluating him in the year that he was supposed to take that next step and the decision making and knowing that he is playing with it sounds like an oblique or whatever it is.

I don't like to, but. Yeah. It's a tricky class. This went from the golden era of college quarterbacks to an absolute quagmire. Thank you. It's better words that I would have used. Someone said we got to talk about USC real quick.

I'll say this about USC. Yep. Jordan the running back from USC went out and Justice Haynes is running back from Michigan went out and I was like, oh, this is a bummer. Like these are two great running backs. And then King, what's the last kid's name from USC comes in and has an absolute day.

I just want to say this about U.S.C. King Miller, King Miller. King Miller. I just want to say this about USC. This was the team I expected to show up in Illinois. And so I'm a little upset. I'm a little upset about it because I thought that they were this team. Then they go to Illinois and lay an egg.

And I'm like, well, maybe they're not as good. as we thought they are. They just had a bad game. Well, just ask James Franklin. It's tough to travel. I was wondering if that was going to come up. This one felt different. Oh, I mean, they handled them. Michigan came in with confidence. Michigan's young quarterback had some time to prepare. Michigan as a program felt like it was like they're going to start to search.

I get this feeling about, you know, and Underwood's talented, but like they're run game is talented and that defense is talented. USC controlled that game, man. Absolutely. And and and and myava had his Mayava moment. He let them back in the game a little bit. He let Michigan back in the game. Yeah.

It was 21 to 7. They're driving deep in Michigan territory. Terrible decision. Terrible decision. Interception. I watched it in real time and it was like slow motion. I was terrible. Don't.

Don't do it. I'm yelling. I got kids sleeping all over in this house. But it was just a young mistake. Okay. But he was playing great otherwise. But this USCT, I'm not saying that USC's Pete Carroll back.

I'm not saying bring Will Ferrell and Snoop and everyone down. Let's go. I'm just saying this is the first Lincoln Riley. Yeah. A little swagger. Little juice now. And they're pulling the guards and tackles. and their physical up front and the runway.

Do you know what I mean? They're awesome running back hose out and they just don't blink and they... I see you. I see you. USC, fight on. I see, like, I see what's going on. And I think they're building something.

And this is a big win to do it against a Michigan. Sherrod Moore, offensive line football. You know what I mean? The mentality now, like, yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I saw something different from USC because I kept waiting for them to let and I was like, there we go.

Myava, Lincoln, like things are going to start falling apart. Like I, it feels like now I've seen more of the, when things aren't going well, Lincoln, Riley, than I did with all the winning and all, like, greatness. It's been a minute, right?

It's not even close because the greatness so far outweighs. But I even heard whoever was covering the game, was that black, it was my guy. Yep. And he was just saying, just like talking to, talking to Lincoln. And it's like, this program hadn't won since Pete. And when I took over Oklahoma, I took over a program that, yeah, we kind of took,

we got it right back rolling. We did it in different ways and my offense and all that stuff. But there was a culture of winning in Norman. And that culture in L.A. had been lost, you know. They were taking away Reggie Bush's Heismans. They were declaring losses. Yeah. it just felt trashed.

And so it took them longer than people wanted it to. And I'm not saying that this is going to be, but we get the Pete Carroll thing rolling again. I'm just saying it makes sense, a rational human being. And there's not many rational human beings in this whole industry. And understandably so for the money and the attention and the TV deals and all that.

But a rational human being could take a step back and, but you know what? Lincoln's got a pretty good track record. Private jets were flying in and out of Norman to figure out what he was doing, how he was running that program, what he was doing offensively. There was Baker and there was Kyler and there was Caleb. Like, maybe it just took a little bit of time to undo the ick and get that out.

And so rolling. So I don't know. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm an L.A. guy. I love Manhattan Beach. I love Versillo. I love going out. I love our studios out there. I love hanging with Connor and Dan and Tucker.

Like, I love all of it. So I want the USC to be back. But this is the first time I got a glimpse of like, they're not back, but they might be heading in the right direction where this thing could in the next year or so get to a level where it's like, hmm, they're part of the national picture,

big time college football. You know? Yeah. That's it. Listen, I know you're going to get to the top 12 in a second here, but Jeremy Godin, and I hope I'm saying that right, Jeremy has an anniversary dinner on the Cape and he needs a dinner,

dinner wreck from you. Got anything on the cape? I mean, yeah. Like, I'm not kidding. There's a couple of guys on the chat right now or a couple of people on the chat right now saying,

like, we've got to get Jeremy a recommendation. We'll go to the Chatham's bar in. Okay. And if you got that, Jeremy. Yeah, it's in Chatham.

If you don't want to stay there, go like, I think that rest, and then you can go into Chatham and that, I mean, your lady is going to love that air. It's a quintessential, overlooking the Oe,

I know this time of year it gets chilly, but still like, you know, they get fires going and there's like the inside bar and like you can cozy up there for 48 hours, even in the dead of winter. And like I like the winter cape. I like Cape. I actually do too. Yeah. So that's, yeah, I would say start there. But reach out to me. I'll get you some more specific ones.

I don't want to give away all my spots, you know. You're a perfectionist. All right, top 12. It's one, it's almost one 10 in the morning. I know, I know. Okay, top 12. Here it was last week. Ohio State won Miami 2.

Oregon with a loss this week. Ole Miss with a win, ugly. Kiffin had some awesome quotes. A&M with a win that kind of looked like a struggle, but like at the end of the day you're like, huh, I maybe respect A&M more than I did. Oklahoma was at number six loss. Then the next seven teams all won in different fashion.

but all won. Right. The ugliest, quite honestly, of all of them was Tennessee versus Arkansas, but they won. Indiana 7, Alabama 8, Texas Tech 9, Georgia 10, LSU 11, Tennessee 12. Here's how I want to frame this for you, Mitch. Okay. I've written down in clusters. Okay.

You tell me if I'm a wrong in the cluster, if there should be a team that doesn't belong in that cluster, and I've got them in three clusters. Okay. A, if they're wrong inside that cluster, or B, if you have a problem with the order in which I've ranked them, okay? My first cluster, call it a top tier, call it a bucket, whatever you want. One through three is clear as day to me. Ohio State 1, Miami 2, Indiana 3.

I'm with you. I'm with you. I am actually more, Miami being off this week has me second guessing, maybe Indiana being two. But I thought Miami should be one last week. Oh, you were the Miami King last week. I hear you. Property down South Beach. I still might.

I still might. But those are the three. Whichever way you want to nitpick, you want to argue for one, that's fine. Those are absolutely the three. Here are my next four. This is cluster two. Cluster two has four. I'm not cemented on this order, but this is kind of my rough draft.

and now you and I can work through this. Okay. Hard to unsee what happened today, but I also know this is Elaine Kiffin team. They're due for this. I hope it doesn't show up in a spot with a team that's capable of actually beating them. But I'm going Ole Miss 4.

Texas A&M 5, as I say that, like maybe A&M should be 4. Okay. Bama 6. Texas Tech 7. Tell us what you guys think. Joseph Rowling, I see you still out there.

Always trade back. You're rocking and rolling as you usually are. Matt Mateus, five stars. Matt Matt Matt Matt Matt Matt Mattis is ready to say, say good night. He wants us to give the five stars and get out of here, but I appreciate the five stars. Maybe he doesn't even, maybe he's not even a friend of the show yet, and he's just given five stars and doesn't know that that's our good night signal. So get involved. T-TNC 2015 has got OSU, Miami, Indiana, A&M, Tech, Bama.

That's not horrible. So again, I've got Ohio State one, Miami, two, Indiana three. Munch is good. Check on it. Then the next four are Ole Miss, but I can live with A&M. Ole Miss and A&M have to be the next two for me. Then I'm going Bama even with one loss ahead of Texas Tech because I just am. Okay.

But I wanted also mention like I've got great, even Connor Texas tonight. How good is this Texas Tech team? I said like I am a lot with them top 10. Like I believe they're that talented. They're playing that well as a team. what do you have is there a team that doesn't belong in there different order what i would go a and m bama texas tech o'm miss and you know i love i love lane but that's that was concerning for me today and as much as i like chamblis and i do like chamblis you're looking at some of these

other quarterback situations and i just like the quarterback situation's better there and i just i just do i trust kiffin's system and all of that stuff but and i have i am really Bama's close, man. Bamma's close to being ahead of A&M. Those guys are neck and neck. I just think that A&M's earned it a little bit more because they don't have the one loss. But this is a very different Alabama team

that we saw against Florida State in the opener. I agree. I don't hate it. I don't hate it. It's a good group. All right. So that gets us to seven. And now it's a total mess.

It gets us to eight, right? Well, it gets the top seven teams. Oh, got you. We're in agreement with the seven. slightly maybe shifted order 4 through 7. But now we're at 8. Pick 8. Can't get the draft out of my mind.

Now we're at 8. Here are the teams and I didn't even rank them. And I honestly, games were still going on. So when I typed this out, just quickly jotted it down. Oklahoma is still going to be in there. I'm talking 8 through 12. Yep. Oklahoma is still going to be in there.

You got a guy coming back with a broken thumb and all of it. Georgia maybe at eight, right? Yeah, maybe. Now, LSU was right there. What was LSU coming in the week? Nine, no, 11?

11. So this is eight, nine. So do they move up one spot because other teams are out? If you don't think Oregon's limping, man. If you don't think Oregon's at eight, I don't know, man. I didn't have Oregon here.

That's why we do this exercise. I must have cut them out. Yeah, I think Oregon's eight. No, Oregon's absolutely eight. Okay, absolutely. This is why we do the exercise. So Oregon eight, I would say, honestly, I think Oklahoma is better than Georgia. Nine.

Ten is Georgia for me. I struggle honestly with LSU and Tennessee. They're both like limping and sputtering. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. But here's where my list gets messed up, because that's, eight is Oregon, nine is Oklahoma,

10 is Georgia. I get two spots left. I still kind of want LSU in there. I still kind of want Tennessee in there. I'm pounding the table. Why not USC? Well, because Notre Dame is a better team. Notre Dame has two losses. USC has won.

They lost. Okay. You know what? You're right. You're right. Who do USC lose to? Illinois? Had to travel. I also. want to say this while not rational

I think somewhere in the I like USC I think somewhere in the 15 range I want Texas back in yeah yeah I mean they'll have a chance to get themselves in there but they I mean

but Georgia Tech you got to kind of have in there they haven't lost yet if I'm being honest about Texas Tech like 18 I mean about Texas 18 and then they can move the way up from there. Okay. And Michigan's just out for now.

For now. That was a bad loss. Florida State, three in a row, man. Goodbye. What happened? See ya. I mean, we started with firing, James Franklin.

Without Haas here, by the way. Begging. Haas, this was your night hoss. Yeah, Haas. This was the nightman. Maybe he knew all of his work had come together. He could sit back with a cold one

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