The McShay Show - Why South Carolina’s LaNorris Sellers Could Have the Highest Ceiling of Any 2026 QB Prospect

Episode Date: June 2, 2025

Welcome back to The McShay Show! Todd and Steve are back with their scouting reports on South Carolina’s LaNorris Sellers. The guys talk Sellers’s immense upside, how he compares to Jalen Hurts and Josh Allen, and what he needs to improve on entering his second season as a starter. (0:00) Welcome to The McShay Show! (4:40) Summer Scouting Series: Evaluating LaNorris Sellers(14:50) LaNorris Sellers Tape Breakdown(25:10) NFL Comps for LaNorris Sellers(34:45) Could LaNorris Sellers Enter the 2026 NFL Draft? The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Host: Todd McShayGuest: Steve MuenchProducers: Tucker Tashjian, Mark Panik, Conor Nevins, and Daniel ComerSocial: Eduardo Ocampo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

A week felt like a month, Mench. That's when you know you love something, right? But we are back. And so too is the summer scouting series with South Carolina quarterback Lenora Sellers. Just 325 days until the NFL draft and no time to waste. You good, Munch? I'm good, man.

All right, let's roll this thing. Mist you too. It's a week away from it. Everyone else, too. More than you. Tucker, Dan, Mark, Connor, everyone. Eduardo. But we're back.

I'm excited to be back. I've got some urgency this summer, man. You're fired up. Yeah. And you're excited. You've been texting me. You're excited. You won't tell me what you think about either of these guys, which I love.

It's how we've always done it. You do your tape. I do my tape. We've got the summer scouting series. Brand new for us. So obviously brand new for you too if you're tuning in. And thank you for tuning it. We appreciate it.

We're going to do this all summer. We're starting off with the quarterbacks. Let's just get out ahead. head. Let's dive deeper than, that's the difference. Like we've, we've always done like a hundred and 25, 130 players each preseason and we'll probably get to that number. I don't care if we do. Maybe it's only 90 guys. I want to do them right this year. I want to go deep and like even last night, I'm up to one in the morning. No one gives a shit. I get it. I'm putting out of post on a on a ferry. And, but, but the point in all of this is to get a foundation like we've never been able to do before,

because we don't have to turn in X amount of, you know, scouting reports to a certain place. And we can actually dive in and have a really good feel going into the air. And honestly, with the quarterbacks more than any other position, I absolutely adore the process of the development. And I want to get into it just a second with Lenora's seller. She's a great example of what you saw in week one. It's not what you saw it. Against Old Dominion, by the way.

So. It wasn't like he played Georgia in week one. But yeah, go ahead. So we're sharing this process with you throughout the summer. And we're going to go the entire summer long. Then we'll get to August. I'm going to throw in another mock draft. We're going to throw in some college preview stuff and start getting rolling,

get it ready for the season. But it's always going to have a touch, if not a cavalcade of draft behind it. Okay. But we appreciate you being here. I know everyone's going to the beach, having fun, schools getting out, all that stuff. But we're going to be here. So join when you can. and hopefully you appreciate the process

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Get some stuff for free. Take a little. stuff too yeah tickle you a little that's how it gets you in new new mickshay report out this morning yeah whole breakdown of lor sellers i mean we've got plays we get clip we get everything i printed out it out it's 15 pages not only the the full scouting report with the background with the all the position specifics like the mental makeup and the accuracy and the the the release and arm strength and the pocket mobility but also NFL comp also go kind of where he is in the process going into the season.

How do we project them? Where can the growth come? And then like for some reason with Sellers, I had more than I had with Garrett Nussmeyer and more than I had with Arch Manning, obviously with Arch only a limited catalog, but a lot of plays, highs and lows, right? And I think that's a perfect way to just dive into this thing, right? Lenora Sellers listed as 6-3, 240,

pounds, estimated big dude. Yeah. The prototype. Yes. You wouldn't know it by the feet. Estimated. And this goes back to like, you know, the high school combines and some of the information we got.

And quite honestly, sometimes it's just eye, eyeballing it up on tape and, you know, an approximation of the 40 time. I'd say somewhere that four, five, five, four, five, eight range based off of all the information we have, ballpark. So sellers. is entering his third year. Let's just give the little background here. He's entering his third year in the South Carolina program, third year in college. He's going into 2025. Only made four pass attempts. I believe he completed all four, but it doesn't really matter. It's a true freshman in

2023. So very limited. Gets a red shirt. Comes back red shirt freshman year, technically last year in 2024, full-time starter. He played in 12 of 13 games, missed the second half of LSU. and all of Akron with an ankle injury. Went on to complete 65.6% of his passes, over 2,500 yards, 18 touchdowns, seven interceptions, handful of strip sacks, we'll get to. It was also second on the team in rushing with 166 carries, 674 yards and seven touchdowns. Also of note, named SEC Academic Honor roll multiple times in just two years.

Guy smart, he's hardworking, haven't heard a negative thing about him. but that's team captain as a as a red shirt fresh and team captain yeah yeah and i get the quarterback we're always trying to put him in a position of leadership but there's some earning that goes with that as well um let's do it a little different today okay okay because we went through the position specifics and i i felt like with nussmire we we kind of got a little bit too behold into the process of going through and it's like oh five five seven minutes on his mental makeup five seven minutes on the action let's rip Let's just do a quick comparison, okay?

I'm going to go through the four position-specific grades the way we do it and remind you the audience. A one is excellent. A two is good. A three is average. Four is below average. Five is margin. Okay. So when we roll out those numbers, it's kind of like par and golf.

Less is better. Less is more. Okay. Mental makeup. What did you have for a grade one through five? This was really, really difficult for me. Really tough. That's why I'm asking me first.

And I think I played it safe here in terms of not, maybe I was tougher on him than maybe you were. I ended up giving him a three. There are things that I love about his mental makeup. We'll dig into this in the second, right? You just want to kind of rattle off the scores right now. Yeah, I gave him a three. It was a difficult three to give.

I gave him a two and a half. And quite honestly, I could have given him a three and a half. And based off of a handful of games early in the season, it could have given him a four. Right. But it's more so like where is he going into the season? and I gave me a two and a half. So we're in the same neighborhood.

Average is slightly above average in terms of the progress. But yeah. Accuracy is another tough one. We're doing halves now, huh? I'm going to do the half then. I'm going to do because I struggled with this one, too. I'll go three and a half. I went two and a half and I'm going to be totally honest with you.

I was ready to jump you on this one. Go ahead. I then was preparing afterwards for club, Nick. because we're going to do Cade Clubnik on Thursday. And I was like, the newsletter's out, but if it wasn't, I'd go, I'd go back in at least a three. And I will get into that in a little bit. Release arm strength.

That's the load to load to arrival, the LTA, if you will, from basically we're, we're not just talking about the velocity on the ball, but also, you know, is it heightened or lessened? is it made faster or slower by the release quickness. So one out of five, one being the best, five being marginal. What did you give his release arm? One. Okay, I went one and a half.

And then pocket mobility, what did you give him? One. I went one and a half and I should have gone one. All right. I'm in an honest mood, man. No, you should be. This is what's great about how we're doing it this year, though, because we talked about this before.

We've done schools before. Now we're stacking guys and you're seeing. So, you know, this in some ways. So Clubnick and Sellers are this week. We both watch them or started to prep on Clubnick. We've done sellers. So you're going to make some of these comparisons. You're going to be like, well, if he's a one, then he's a, it helps.

It helps to see these things back to back just to see where guys stand out, right? No question. And we did, we did Arch, which was a limited one with our first, first summer six. I wouldn't dip your toe in it. Yep. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And obviously an important name to track and get out early on it. And then Garrett and Usmeyer, who we both really liked to varying degrees. You can go back and watch that show as well on YouTube, on the McShay Show page and Spotify, Apple, and wherever else you get your podcast. We're going to run them. So like, if you're away on vacation with the family, we're going to run these all summer. You can get caught up whenever you need to get caught up. But you're not going to want to miss it because there's a progression to all of these. Okay. And then as we wrap up the quarterbacks, I want to spend some time.

And it's going to be probably next week. After we're done with Drew Aller, and we're debating whether to do one or two more, whether it's next week or the week after, I would like to circle back and kind of try to stack them a little bit. Heading into the season, okay? I know where I want to go with it, but I talk too damn much on this show sometimes. So I'm going to let you, I'm going to open the floor, take it wherever you want. and I'll play off of that. And I know the direction I want to go.

And then we can start getting into like the nitty gritty and some certain plays and wherever else you want to go. But you started out. I am, the more we watch this, we go through these quarterbacks, the more excited I am about the potential of this class. Oh, granted, remember Sellers is a red, he's a red shirt sophomore. He could go back for another three years if he wants and, you know, could do whatever he wants.

But we're talking about the guys, the class that could be, right, next year? Yep. And I am getting excited. And this kid is a big part of it. He is a big part of it because there is a lot of, oh, no moments. There is a lot of that's got to get better. I think the accuracy has got to get better. The anticipation's got to get better.

But that being said, some of the things that he does. Okay, the first play that comes on tape for his, is like positive grade real, right? There's something like 100 plus plays on this. He throws a ball 70 or 65 yards, maybe 75 yards. I have it. 65 yards in the air and hits a guy in stride. And the receiver drops it, but he hits the guy in stride against Old Dominion. Right away.

Okay. All right. I guess he's got a pretty good arm. And then you see when you, I know you had this play in the Kentucky game where he has to he climbs. Then he slides laterally to stay behind the line. a scrimmage and then he throws a 20-yard dart with the guy hitting him in the face in no way that he can follow through and i'm like okay talent wise and then let's just throw it in we'll

talk about this we might as well talk about it now he has a 75-yard run against lsue where he makes makes the safety miss and no one's catching him so yeah i wouldn't i i would agree with you that i'm guessing his 40 times about what you said but i'd like to see his his time on the field he plays fast man he is fast or a 240-pound guy. So just immediately, it takes almost no time when you throw this kid's tape on to see the talent. The other thing that I think is super important to what's happening here or what's happening with his progress is when you watched him late in the year against Missouri and how he played in that game, he had five touchdowns.

I called him Superman after that game. I stand by that the way he led South Carolina to a winning in that game. And then against Clemson, where he did it with his feet. and had a 20-yard scramble for a touchdown, just making plays, finding ways to put the team on his back. The Clemson game, he didn't have a great game throwing the ball, man.

I think he threw for 165 yards right in that range. But he was a terror on the ground. He ran for 166, too, including the game winning scramble with about a minute left. It wasn't like cheap stuff. Get on my back, man. Yes. I'm going to win this game.

There is no way. And by the way, at that time, I know they didn't get in. At that time, it seemed like there might be a playoff spot on the line. there was a lot on that game and he was like get on my back now the flip side of that stuff that i will say is he goes against illinois in the bowl game and he bait i mean he has a perfect opportunity to win that game late and he just misses the throw to his tight end i mean inexplicably a throw that you need to make in the nfl 10 out of 10 times he just misses it it just it's just not a good throw

so he's got to clean that stuff up but remember this kid was 19 last year he doesn't to turn 20 until happy birthday, Lenores, this month. He is 19 years old doing these things against SEC defenses. You've got to keep it in mind, man. You have to keep in mind how young he is, how inexperienced he is, because there are a lot of negatives, and I get it. But the talent is outrageous. I loved watching him last fall, right?

I loved watching them last fall. And I had done just a little bit of tape kind of preparing for our show, but not with not through this lens okay so when i put on the tape and was viewing it through this exact lens i was like oh shit because od you wasn't great no and it looks like a fish out of water at times in that game man like is this kid going to finish the years a starter kind of a performance kentucky's I was like, oh, no. He had one throw like nine minutes of first quarter, quick trigger, RPO, anticipation, look good.

Okay, here we go. You know? Right. Then there was a little bit of a climb the pocket side. I think you just mentioned. So I left the receiver flashing late, right? And I wrote two in there. That was a moment there, too.

It was third and nine, backed up shadow of end zone, impressive stuff, a lot of poise. But it fell off after that. 5, 155 second quarter, can't hold on to the ball, awareness in this moment with a rusher breaking free, question mark, like catches a break because his teammate caught it, cut the loose ball, but it was a strip sack, okay? One play later, bud, interception, overthrow, rusher bearing down, front side pressure again.

So Stoops is no idiot. Let's keep, right? Right. Let's keep the front side. So you show me you could beat it. Yeah. Until you show me you could beat it. It's come.

Let's keep the front. You're going to see in the league, too, man. You're going to see the same thing. No question. Right. Relentless. And this is the SEC. It's, you know, it's the closest thing, too.

Now we're in the third quarter. And not many plays later, but you get a halftime in between. Strip sack holds on the ball too long. Front side pressure again. I didn't get into that. Big picture. The ball security is a big problem. It might be the biggest weakness.

right now. You can talk about the accuracy and some of the decision making and learning how to read defenses and all that stuff. Dude, you got to hold on to the ball. I think there was 13 fumble clips to look at. He gets, he got bailed out again, though, and it was like the first play of the third quarter, bailed out again. Teammate picked up the ball and actually ran it for a positive run, okay? Right. Then I wrote Groundhogs Day, another strip stack by front side pressure. You get, so imagine, I'm actually sitting on a ferry, okay? And I'm watching this, and I want to yell, but I've got people around and people are like having drinks and they're getting ready to go on vacation. Right.

I wasn't. I'm getting pissed. So that's four times in like a quarter and a half front side pressure, critical error. Not protecting the ball. Interception, not protecting the ball. Got bailed out two of those three times. But now the fourth time, strip sack, front side pressure. Nightmare sequence is what I wrote.

Got to start learning from these mistakes. UK recovered this one. We're just starting the third quarter. Then there was a play later in the third quarter. I was a progress. He sensed the front side pressure. So in-game, in-game adjustment, rolls to his left, locates, delivers open target, good job sensing and eluding.

There were some other good plays, right? Two things that jumped out early that I started tracking in my notes. The front-side pressure, well, three, I guess. The front-side pressure, but I know that's going to be corrected. eventually but how long does it take him to figure it out and why secondly when he's missing he's missing high yes footwork stuff and over the middle that's that that's a nightmare yep and number three it's actually should be number two as you've just touched on like there's this thing in him as a 19 year old pup where I am so and and I want to remind the audience we're talking through this like

and we're going to get to all the positives too because there's a hell of a lot of them but you got to remember he was a 19 he was a 18 17 to 18 year old kid in high school and he's so talented he didn't have to worry like like you know I go to high school games around here and I'm sure it's better down the south where he was playing but It's still high school kids and they're not all going on to play college. And so he's probably, you know, get off of me and ripping through. And so, like the things he got away in high school, because he was so much more talented than everyone who was playing, because I got news for it.

He's on the field with a bunch of SEC people, a bunch of stars. And he's still one of the, if not the best player on the field almost every time as the season starts to progress. So you can only imagine in high school. So he's got some bad habits he's going to work through. but the protecting the football when pressure's coming. And it's not even like, we'll see the handspan and what's going on. But like to me, it's more like this hero mentality or like he's, he's,

think about yourself. I remember like, I was indestructible. So it's learning and it's reps. Okay. This is UK's his second start and his first start against SEC. Okay. So now we're on to LSU. You talk about that 75-yard touchdown run.

Really nice deep shot under pressure. I didn't take a ton away from the LSU game. Like a couple good, couple bad, but nothing like jarring to me. And he missed a half. And he missed, and he missed, that's right, he missed a half. And he missed it.

I mentioned before the full Akron game. So there wasn't as much on that. But then we're back to Ole Miss. And I see a flash, like third quarter clock speeding up, smart decision tucks and runs. I even wrote 156. Like now we're starting, I saw it in that game.

Like now we're starting to play with some confidence. Right. I actually want to say this. I actually think I was tainted with his mobility grade by early on. He seems sluggish and I now looking back on it, I honestly think he was hesitant. As the season progressed and I write in here like, all right, like now he's playing with confidence.

taken off and running. So where was the, now we're playing with confidence. 156 third quarter, rolling right, avoids rusher, locates, connects with the receiver, starting to see him play loose and free. They're down 27 to 3 though,

but he's still like, and I can remember going back to high school, man. At some point, it's so much mental. Like, there's a switch that flips. where you're like, fuck it, it doesn't matter. Do you know what I mean? Like, athletic.

It can be a negative thing, but it's almost, it can be a very, it goes back to what you said about Jane Daniels at Notre Dame. We've talked, we've had this conversation before. It's, it can be a negative thing for these guys, but some guys need it. Like, just let it go, man. Like, let it rip, go do your thing. You know what I mean? And when you get that confidence and you start making throws and you start getting,

momentum is a real thing in sports. man and it's a confidence builder. Confidence is a real thing for quarterbacks. And when they start getting it, you see it. It just jumps out. So I'm going through all this to try to provide the audience kind of what what I'm watching and witnessing. And I'm like, this isn't very good.

But now in like second half L.S. or Ole Miss, they're getting blown out. So most people have turned the channel, like fans are probably disgusted. but I saw that switch flip where it was like, all right, I'm just going to start doing my thing. And I felt like early in the season, understandably so. He was hesitant at times. He didn't know his limitations at times. But in this game, you know, taking off and running more on subsequent plays,

offensive lines struggling to protect that vicious Ole Miss pass rush. But it felt like. like Lenores for the first time, the last quarter and a half that I had watched him during the year, during his first year as a starter, I'm taking matters into my own hands now. And he kind of never looked back. It wasn't all perfect. I can go through all these pages of notes, right? And did he lose a fumble again? Needs better ball security. Pressure comes, but but there's ups and downs. There's ups to go with the downs, you know? And there were more One of those, I had, in my notes, I kept writing in capital letters for the positives,

how? How did he make that play? How does he make that throw? Like, he can do things that other guys can't do. And, you know, they played Alabama after the Ole Miss game. They lost that game, too. They're three and three at that point. And then they rattle, then they start rattling off wins.

And he's starting to become. Exactly. And I promise you, it's fun to watch, man. If you go back and watch it through this lens, watch how much quicker he is. Mm-hmm. Watch how much more loose he is as an athlete, which translates to trying to make that extra cut or doing, you know, like he started to play like the Lenoris, who was a whatever star that Coach Beamer fell in love with and the program decided he's our guy, right? And, and most importantly, he started to play like the guy that Coach Beamer with a lot of talent on that team last year, going into an SEC schedule with a loaded SEC schedule, said, I don't need more experience.

I need Lenoris. You know what I mean? And I know Shane. And I'm certain Shane was in his ear. Like, I chose you, bud. Go be you. I recruited you. I know your family.

I know, like, there's, we're in this together. Go be you. And he started to do that. And it's special. He reminds me. I'm just going to throw it out. I know there's like Jackson Dart comps to Jalen Hertz. this guy's a bigger Jalen Hertz in my mind.

Okay. And I want to say that, and I want you to think back to Jalen Hertz at Bama, even before he got to Lincoln Riley and Oklahoma, he was not a great passer. No. The decisions, this guy in his, in the beginning, I'd have to go back to Jalen early on.

I don't think he made quite the numbered level of mistakes. But what? I would agree. that. I don't think Jalen was careless as careless. Not careless might be too harsh, but Jalen took a better care of the football than yeah, as at this point. Linoors had 33, he took 33 sacks and had a bunch of strip sacks in 12 games played, okay? It's a lot. So, but I do want to get, I really want to make this point. It's a one year starter. And I want you to remember where Jalen was at Alabama as his first year as a starter. There were,

flashes there were some amazing things but he was a hell of a lot better as a runner than he was as a passer right right and then he got benched and then he went to oklahoma and he became a better passer but he's even when he came in the league even his first year you know starting in the league he is developed and so i try to look at it through this that lens of i can't coach what he's got man he's two inches taller than Jalen, he's 20 pounds, 15, 20 pounds heavier than Jalen, yet he's just as fast. And he's just as sudden. And when he's playing with confidence, he's just as creative. That creativity is so dangerous and you can't coach that shit.

Okay. You can't, you can't coach what Jalen has. You can't coach what Lennar's has. You can't coach what Lamar has. You just can't. You either have it or you don't. And so, like the old adage over, you can't coach accuracy and you're either accurate or you're not. Like, no, it's not true anymore.

It's not true anymore. But in a league where you had to be so proficient as a pocket passer because mobility was not part of playing that position, you lived and died on it. So if you weren't accurate coming in the league, you weren't going to last very long because you didn't have a backup plan. But Cam Newton had a backup plan. Lamar Jackson had a backup plan. Jalen Hertz had a backup plan. Lenora Sellers always has this in his pocket. Always.

And by the time he starts to lose maybe a step or a half a step, the absolute, I don't even want to say hope. It's not hope. It's the expectation is he will have developed as a passer and some of the mental makeup, right? Yeah, I don't listen to that. I just, that's why I don't hate the Jalen Hertz.

But like, I'm ready to go. I'm ready to go, I guess bigger. Jalen Hertz is awesome, so don't get me wrong. I think this kid could be Josh Allen. Like, I see Josh Allen because I see that frame. He's that much bigger. When you look at how big this guy is and what he can do, and I think about the games that Josh Allen is, I mean, basically,

I just think he's twitcher and doesn't have the arm of Josh. I think he has a damn good. Oh, man, I don't know. Josh Allen's arm? Yes. I don't know. I stood it. I stood freezing my ass.

off in Wyoming and then not freezing my ass off again at his pro day in Wyoming and watched him like flick it seven getting an alert reaction to the horses that was horrible that game it was that game listen i know you earned it man i know you saw him throw live and i have not seen lenora sellers throw live but when i see him i haven't either hit a guy 65 yards in stride and i see him with like no follow-through just zipping the ball in maybe it's not as strong as josh hallant but But I mean, what are we just? I hear you now. No, I hear you.

This kid's got a strong arm, man. I guess it's more like the intermediate stuff. I didn't think there's quite the energy fitted in spots, but we'll see. Yeah. I mean, we're not going to agree on everything. I just see. And remember, Josh Allen coming out of Wyoming, a lot of questions about the level of competition he face. Obviously, the North Ellis won't have that, but the level of competition.

And the accuracy issues. Was he refined enough? a passer. And before the bills went out and got cook at running back, Josh Allen was basically their running game whenever it mattered. He was, I mean, he was their best runner by far. And I still think may be their best runner. And you look at what Lenora Sellers can do in those games, the run against LSU, 166 yards against Clemson, can't get a goal with his arm, just takes over with his feet. I don't know, man. I know, I know it's the ceiling. I know Lenora Sellers isn't there yet.

I get it. But the raw ability, the tools, the talent, I mean, it's exciting. I want to say this. And Shane, if you're out there, you can clip it if you want. And I know, like it's,

you know, it's worth the, not even as much as the paper that I printed my report on. But if we're making this decision based on Lenoris, not South Carolina, not an NFL team that wants him, not an agent. If we're making this decision, and I know this is so premature,

but if we're making a decision on the future of Lenoris and how great he can be in the NFL, I don't want to see him in 2026. I know. I know. And it's fair. So when do you want to be selfish? Do you want to be selfish because you want him in the draft this year because he's so freaking talented and all that?

Or do you want to be selfish when he gets in the, the league as an evaluator to say that's the best Lenores can be. Lenores is prepared. He's ready to go be the best he can be and get that second contract. I don't know what they're paying out in South Carolina. I'm sure it's good enough. And it's a hell of a lot better than what people were getting paid under the table in years past.

Okay. And I hope people don't hear that as a negative either. because if we're truly going to do this business and the way we've structured it and the way we've the same mentality you and I've always had like a very small fraction of our job. It's why I used to get calls from Nick Sabin and Urban Meyer and many, many others, yelling and screaming because if they thought, and sometimes they were right, sometimes I maybe overvalued somebody. Sometimes I was right and they were ready, okay?

And I'll never bring up a name of those conversations. I have so many names around my hand. right now but go ahead now but but my point is this damn good nickel back and a damn good wider steve in the league i nailed it couldn't help yourself my point is this i want to see him develop because he's got a chance to be so special munch yes this guy is different he's not six two he's not six one he's six three maybe six three can change he's not two 20 he's not two 20 He's 240 and he moves like, he's not Lamar, but he moves like better, maybe better than Jalen. You know, like in that, he's in that range.

It's a straight line speed, but he's also got that nice hesitation move that he throws in where guys, he can get, he can do the throws a little he's in and cuts back. He's not a, he's not a, when he gets going here, does the, does the, when he gets going and does some, he's pretty good. Yeah, I just I and he's got a good really good arm whether it's a one or a one point five like the he he can make every throw with juice. Yes. And he's only going to get better as a passer. Right.

It's going to be interesting, man. And he's got to listen. Like I mentioned it. He's got to show that he can handle a little bit of buzz, a little bit of success. Of course. There's no reason to think that there's no reason to think that based on his background that he won't be able to do it. But you got to show you can do it. You got to build on what you were doing last year.

March. Right. You got there's things you have to take care of business, man. This is this is the danger of doing these conversations because we have having these conversations because, oh, you know, Mench said this and McShea said this and all. You got to go out there and handle your business on the field. What we're seeing right now is really something you can be excited about, but nothing. You don't write draft reports. You don't teams don't make decisions based on how a guy looked the year before or in June of the year before they go into their last year of college football.

It's just not something that happens. You got to take care of business. Yeah, and I want to remind people like Caleb started 35, what was it, 35, 37 games. Something like that, yeah. And I'm not saying another year would have necessarily done it, but his rookie year didn't go as well as the guy who started 56 games. And I think it's 50s. Yeah. I always mean to check these numbers, but it's in the mid 50s for Jaden Daniels. And it didn't go as well as the guy who was the sixth quarterback, 12 overall.

Bo Nix, who started at the time the most, the most starts in college football history, 63 or 60, I think it was 64. 64. Yeah. And so when I'm looking at this and I saw how raw and kind of overwhelmed at times he was early in that season, I kept reminding myself, this is a second start against Kentucky. It's 19. And he's 19. And it's his first start in the SEC, like, chill. You know?

And but even if he, even if SEC goes on an epic run, they play their 12, they win the SEC championship and they play or they play in the SEC championship, get in and play four games. That's 17 games. He still doesn't have 30 starts because he had 12 last year. And so yeah, it's above the Parcell's number, but we're starting with, with this NIL and and college football playoff in the transfer portal, right? We're starting to get a look at, hey, these quarterbacks are easier to evaluate now

because we know what we're getting. And much more important, throw out the evaluators. We've all learned to get thick skin in this job. They're ready to play. They're much more ready to play. How could you not be? If you do your job for two years and year three, you're going to be better than you were in year two.

typically if you're any good at it yeah yeah but you know what i mean if you're good at it if you're good at it if you're good at it to begin with and you're motivated right i'm going to be better at my job i know i was better at this at television at radio absolutely at writing at evaluating i was better at all four things in the third year than i was in year two and i'd like to think in year 25 i'm better than i even i wasn't 24 mm-hmm actually know i am fucking that last draft. And I know that you're a lot better than you were. And I mean, every aspect of it.

So, nowhere to go, but up. Stop. Yeah, and that's why I just, I don't know. I'm fired up to see the development. And I hope he gets to a point where at the end of this, this upcoming season where everyone's like, yeah, he's ready.

Like, how could you not? He could be the top five pick. He could be QB one. But I don't even know what it would take for me to be like, yeah, I still think he'd be better off going back another year. What would it take? While you think about it, while you think about it, I do want to remind people, and this is where the agent part and the people in your ear,

everyone is going to be telling him. Yeah, but you know, Arch, if he has a great year, right, and there's talk about him potentially as a QB1, everyone who has a vested interest in him coming out in 2026 marketing people agents all that financial advisors all of that everyone is going to say well arches and next year should at best your qb2 next year you know so go ahead answer answer my previous question what what would it take in your mind to be like you know what i think he is ready i don't i yeah he'll improve from a year three but i

I think he's ready. He's got to dot all the eyes and cross all the T's in terms of having that year, right? He's got to have the great year, which ideally would include a playoff run where he plays well in that playoff run. And then really what it comes out to is so much happens in the calendar year for the NFL, where do we think he's going? Do we think he is a top three pick? Who are in those top three picks?

So there's a bit of coaching change where, you know, like a Ben Johnson now, you know, potentially has a top three pick. Obviously, that wouldn't be the name. But is there a young, talented, offensive-minded coaches in that top three that you feel good about going there and developing in the right way? Are they picking in the top three for reasons that maybe they had injuries the year before? And the roster is actually a little bit better. And they've got a general manager who now is know what they're doing. It's got to be that situation to me.

It's got to be if you dot your eyes across the T's and continue to progress, the way that he's progressed over this year, I mean, let's be honest. It was a big jump from watching a kid against Old Dominion who looked like he was throwing up on his shoes, to be honest with you, to see where he was in those Clemson and Missouri games, that kind of a leap. I don't think it's out of the question. Again, if you're talking about that playoff run, you're talking about those four extra games potentially

in high pressure situations against good defenses, ideally, hopefully they get the process right this year in terms of picking the right teams. call me if you need help. That being said, and I don't think it's out of the question, but to me, it really does come, and this is where I think the players have some power

with going back in the NIL and not having to come out, is you can look at what the situation is and have a good feel. I know we just had a player, Shador, Sanders, didn't manage this well, but have a good feel for where you're going to go and who could potentially take you, because if you think you're going to end up in the right situation,

you have confidence that's going to happen, it's going to sway you a little bit one way or the other. This is awesome, man. Like being able to just talk it through with you and like be honest about even my report that I wrote last night at one in the morning. You know what I mean? I hope people appreciate it. You know, I just, I think it's a really good way to build a foundation to go into the season, full transparency, where we are. And let's see how it plays out, right?

But those, those, that Missouri game in the Clemson game. I mean, I even just draw it down and like, if this is a preview of what's to come with Sell. from the last two games, those two games I studied last, the confidence, the aggressiveness, creativeness is a runner and as a passer. And what we just saw, it's going to be a wild ride. Yeah. So I wrote, it's going to be a wild ride. Yeah.

You've got a chance to be, it's going to be wild. Yeah, the tools are different, man. All right. If you want a little bit more on it, the McShay report is out, Google it. Subscribe, would you please already? Why are you holding out? Why are you holding out? I see 20, 30, 40, sometimes 200,000 people watching our YouTube channel.

I think we've got like 12, 15,000 subscribers. What are we doing? Yeah. Just Google it. The McShay report. That's MC, S-H-A-Y report. We're back on Thursday. We're going to find out, is MENCH really like anti-Clemson?

Does he hate Dabo? Does he never want to go to the S-O-Club? I love Clemson, man. It's got a special place in my heart. Um, but Mench was hard on Clemson last year. Was it last year? Yeah, in the beginning of year. It was hard on Clemson.

Wasn't completely wrong. I think it was fair. Fair and balanced. Clemson fans took a little, uh, exception to it. And I'm going to find, we're going to find out on Thursday. Keg Klebnik, continue the series. Uh, Thursday, please join us. We'll find out if Mench can take the blinders off.

Give a fair evaluation. No, I'm joking. No, I, uh, I'm excited for that one too, because Clubbne. He's got a lot of talent as well. So I appreciate you joining. We will be back on Thursday. Cade Clubnick. We'll start to kind of stack these guys a little bit and give you a feel for what the upcoming season is going to look like.

And I get news for you. If you live in the state of South Carolina, if you've got ties, if you went to one of these schools, it's going to be a fun fault. There's a lot of talent. All right. We'll see you Thursday. Later. Must be 21 plus and present in select states for Kansas in affiliation with Kansas Star Casino.

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