The MeatEater Podcast - Ep. 193: Too Much Naughty

Episode Date: November 4, 2019

Steven Rinella talks with Maggie Smith, Ryan Callaghan, and Janis Putelis. Topics discussed: How willows grow toward the sound of water; Cal’s famous prehistoric bison tooth; more on Sneaky Pete the turkey; Maggie as a brand new hunter; R3 and R1.5; the slightly distorted reality of filming hunts; when Steve's dad figured out his kids curse like holy hell; flying with firearms, ammo, and game meat; Steve's backcountry meal plan; the animals that get your blood pumping; and more. Connect with Steve and MeatEaterSteve on Instagram and TwitterMeatEater on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and YoutubeShop MeatEater Merch Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Download the Hunt app from the iTunes or Google Play Store. Know where you stand with OnX. Welcome back, Yanni. Hey, thanks. I don't know, Phil, do you still have all the Yanni quotes? I don't have them fired up right now. I think we should just use them all the time, even when he's here. Yeah, just have them ready to go.

Why is that? Just to have him say funny things that he wouldn't say. Just by sticking them in there. Yeah, I'll fire it up next time. Just to improve my podcast performance on a regular basis. That'd be a great sentence right there, for instance, to have. I'll pull that one out. I'll put it in the bank. It'd be fun for me if you could time it to where Giannis cuts Giannis off.

Oh, that'd be great. Yeah. Well, actually. Giannis interrupts Giannis. You son of a bitch. This is a whole new podcast idea, I think. Stop doing that. Why do we have a bank of Gianni quotes?

Oh, Gianni was on assignment and missed an episode. So I was afraid I'd miss him too much. So Phil made 27 Gianni quotes. Oh, my gosh. And he could just hit a button and have Giannis say stuff. And so Phil even set it up where Giannis had answers. Like Phil asked him how he liked Dr. Seuss. How he liked Dr. Seuss.

And Yanni was saying he had to read it a few times to get it, but he got it figured out. Yeah. It was good. It was good stuff. It was good. Yannis, did you see the article that Mark from NSSF sent us about the... It's a funny article, but it's one of those articles that's meant to be like,

oh, brother, what will they think of next? But there's a lawyer, Stephen Wise. That's a hell of a last name to have, Wise. Especially as a lawyer. Yeah, like I'm stuck with like ronella which doesn't mean shit this guy gets wise steven wise he um he spends his time uh it's kind of funny spends his time suing zoos uh suing them for illegally detaining animals. Right now he's suing the Bronx Zoo for illegally detaining an elephant named Happy.

It sounds like he does this like a fair bit. Then he like loses it, but then goes and does it again. And he brings this case up to a judge. He wants the elephant to move from the Bronx Zoo to a bigger zoo. And the judge has like a good point. And the judge says, but wouldn't that be just like moving it to a bigger prison and then stephen wise has a very wise reply where he's like yes at a point we could say that living on earth is a prison oh no good lawyer i don't think he's gonna get this elephant out of that zoo, but he's, you know. It's the establishing human rights for animals, right?

Is the. Yeah. He had some other thing where like, did, um, the having a dog, taking your dog hunting is slavery. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. That's right.

Yeah. I like it. I like it. But remember we had that fish case in North Carolina where they established like an act of cruelty for leaving a guy abandoned in his house and left an Oscar fish. Left a fish there. Yeah. And they were saying you can't do it to a dog, but you can do it to a fish. Yeah, exactly. But they've proven that fish can't do it to a dog, but you can do it to a fish. Yeah, exactly. But they've proven that fish have feelings, according to science.

Yes. They have. They've been listening to this podcast. Well, I actually heard that on Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me first. There's a question. Do fish have feelings? Remember that song? Feelings.

What's the answer to the question? Yeah. I don't know. She told. Yeah. Yeah. Listen. Eventually.

Feel pain. We're all going to die. Not emotional feelings. Listen. There's a. These guys. That's an emotion. I haven't read this.

I got to find this They can play the sound Of water To a willow Yes And it will grow In the direction Of the sound We're gonna run out of shit to eat

Because It's like Phil having a pretty noisy beverage Down there For an engineer They talked beverage down there for an engineer they talked about that he's gotten quite comfortable around here it's like negative 9 degrees out

do you got like an iced cocktail it's just water he's giving you the sound of water you said the willow grows thank you Maggie live sound design that's what this is that was genius. Yeah.

Oh, I just thought you were being a noisy-ass engineer. No, what? Me? That was great. I was like, man, that was a hearty sip filled his head. Yeah. No, we're going to run out of stuff to eat because we're all going to die. Because if a willow hears water and grows toward it, that makes me feel bad

about eating that tree. Like beavers should not be doing that to those willows. Do you, uh, you remember when we were driving back from South Dakota, our arduous journey home from South Dakota? And, um, we were talking about how we were annoyed over some of the vaping stuff. Right. We were talking about how we were annoyed over some of the vaping stuff, right? And my annoyance is that, and I have friends like this that are, they enjoy their vaping, their low profile smoking. And they're very healthy people. And they are so annoyed over this vaping thing.

And my annoying thing being this realization that vaping's not good that is not good for you and i'm like and my annoyance is did you really really trick yourself into thinking that this is somehow not reasonably bad for you but good for you yeah and that's like when yeah the studies of like fish can feel pain i'm like how is this an epiphany for you yeah and that's like when yeah the studies of like fish can feel pain like how is this an epiphany for people yeah like everything wants to live for god's sake yeah uh a guy wrote in i can't tell the guy he wrote in a weird uh letter he wrote in a weird letter. He wrote in a letter like telling a funny story, but I feel like he kind of revealed himself as an unsavory character.

Where he said he was hunting. He was duck hunting in the river bottoms in South Arkansas. And this is in 2007, so quite a while ago. It was a memorable story for him. He shot a gadwall. Later, he sees what he thinks is a stick in the bottom of his boat, and he goes to throw it out. But when he grabs the stick, he realizes the stick's connected to the duck, and the duck has been outfitted with a little backpack style satellite tracker uh and he has a wow that's

cool moment and the thing on there says if you find this thing call there needs to be returned to the lsu biology department so he calls him says hey i got your thing now grant remember this guy's telling like it's a good story calls him and says hey i got your thing they say you got to send it to us and he says well i won't send it to you until you send me a fake one back because i want to mount the duck with it hold on did he shoot the duck or just found it shot it shot it out of a flock of gadwalls he says i'll give it back to you when you give me a fake one because i want to mount it with the thing on it they never give him the fake one and he's all proud of himself for having the their tracking device hanging on his wall no one's ever shown up to claim it.

Yeah, I mean, they're not going to, like, kick your... They asked for it back. Shown up to claim it. Asking for it back, were they going to send someone to kick the door down? I mean, it's a science department at a school. It's not like

they have... An enforcement division? They're going to send the school... And just giant coppers where they're like, well, just in case somebody wants a fake version of this microscope, we can just make him one with our 3D printer. And then maybe he'll give us the real one that he stole back. I believe... Who was telling us, though, that he stole back. I believe, who is telling us though that folks

that shoot collared elk oftentimes are like, so that collar. No. Can I get. Oh. Yeah. Right. Did you.

Go on. Folks ask, they'd return the collar and then they're, they'd say like say like hey i thought this was pretty neat and i think it stems from like folks shooting banded ducks and geese so that you know you keep the band and you call the number in yeah um and i think that's kind of like well i shot a banded elk i want to keep the band but as we've talked about this a bunch and as you know and as carmen van bianchi put it uh and then she puts collars on game animals yeah and she's like once you put that collar or an animal wearing a collar has she

says this is a quote someone has already got the best of them and i was gonna point this out we do we talk about this yanni that when we were hunting mule deer in Wyoming. No, I don't think we mentioned that. Yeah, I had 250 yards away from me. Little four by four muley wearing a collar. No desire. No desire to shoot that deer. Because someone had already got the best of him.

If he would have been 187 and a half inches? No. Bullshit. Bullshit. Tainted love. Lie. No way. got the best of him. If he would have been 187 and a half inches? No. Bullshit. Bullshit. Tainted love. Lie. No way. I don't care how big it was.

210. No. I was waiting for you to say something. Well, you know, at that point, he's probably going to die that winter. Oh, you want to know another good story Mignone heard? There's a, there's a, there was a buck. He had a name like, you know, like bucks get names,

like big huge bucks get goofy names. This buck had a goofy name, like, like Jumbo or whatever, right? And these guys we were hanging out with, they dubbed the same buck. They called it the Cessna buck because a couple of years ago, like Wyoming recently made it These guys we were hanging out with, they dubbed the same buck, they called it the Cessna buck. Because a couple of years ago, like Wyoming recently made it that you can't scout from aircraft.

You can't scout big game animals from aircraft. And it kind of came in because they made it that you couldn't use drones, right? So you can't scout with a drone. And then it brings up the question where it winds up being, well, how can you not scout with a drone, but you can scout with an airplane? So it's like, if you have like, if you're of a certain socioeconomic class as to have an airplane, totally cool, have at it. But if you're just some little scraggly dirt bag with a drone, screw you. Well, kind of like what the logic seems like, right? So either way in Wyoming got rid of, you can't scout big game out of a plane.

They said when you could, in this area where they hunt mule deer, they said every day, someone's flying up looking for deer. Well, before this law went into effect, this guy finds this giant mule deer, like a 245, 245-inch mule deer. And the dude took me and showed me the avalanche chute where they found it. Found it in an avalanche chute, and the thing didn't budge. And they took pictures of it, and they take the photos to a guy. Now, this is as told to me. I am not saying – I haven't fact checked.

This isn't Steve's gospel truth. I haven't fact checked any aspect of this. This is a story as told to me. They take, they build a little dossier on this buck and present it to a gentleman who's like, I like that buck so much, and I

don't have a tag for Wyoming. I like that buck so much, I'm going to buy the Wyoming governor's tag in order to go and shoot Jumbo the buck. Problem is, he's going to use this outfitter. And the outfitter in this area has a, why are you looking at me like this, Yanni? I'm intently listening, that's all. Oh. Sorry, I'm intently listening. Did you get a recording of that, Phil? I'm intently listening that's all. Oh. Sorry I'm intently listening

Did you get a recording of that Phil? I did. Can we put that into the the list of sentences while you're on this? Got it. So I want you to play that a lot just so I know that he's listening. Hold on I'm going to redo that Steve I'm intently listening You jerk I'm right so far right? This is your understanding so far? Yeah yeah Listening, you jerk.

I'm right so far, right? This is your understanding so far? Yeah, yeah. I heard the same story. I can corroborate. So he's going to use this outfitter. And in this area, an outfitter has to stay. He has to camp.

He has to overnight in a specified location. Outfitters are not allowed to spike camp. Okay? And they're not allowed to graze horses. So you've got to take your horses back at night and feed them feed. You can't be sleeping out. But where they find this buck with this airplane is too far away from his designated campsite to get the client over there. So as told to me, they go and say, they go to the forest service and say, hey, we have a handicapped hunter, a disabled hunter. We need an exemption from our designated campsite thing because we have a

disabled hunter who needs to hunt. So they're like, oh great, go ahead, you can spike out. So then the guy still, this governor's tag disabled gentleman, still manages to ride, what, seven miles? Mm-hmm.

And shoot the Cessna bug. I... As told to me. What else I got? Oh, Cal, you probably know about this. I love this. A state lawmaker in my home state of Michigan is proposing, they worked up this bill.

They don't have oversight, but they worked up this bill suggesting that Isle Royal National Park institute a moose hunting season. Because they have this exploding moose population. And, uh, he feels the wolves that they're, they're trying to, they're flying wolves out there, hoping that the wolves can kill all the moose. And, um, he's like, why don't we fly a couple of hunters out there? What do you think about that, Cal? Kind of goes back to your, uh, weeping for the willow. Yeah. Preamble.

Right. Because a big part of this is that, is that exploding moose population is going to, could potentially severely damage the plant life out there on Isle Royale. And that's, that's yeah. Why the big part of why the why of putting wolves out there. Yeah.

I mean, I. It really flies in the face of what a national park supposed to be for. Does it though? Right. I mean, does it? No, I like personally, I would love to see it happen. Yes. Um, but I could see, you know, it's funny.

I read this in, in a publication called national parks traveler, and I felt that they would be a much stronger. Like I felt that when I started the article, I'm like, surely there'll be a part of this article where the author, the writer strongly condemns this idea. Yeah. But that part never came well yeah and then maybe it's it's because they're looking at whole ecosystem health um and the fact that the wolves have not been faring well out there left to their own devices yeah um they put one out there and turned up dead but they're doing a necropsy on it oh really yeah um because i know they dropped a few off and then as soon as the water froze up, they, even though they basically had this semi captive food source, they had hightailed it for Canada. Hmm.

Um, I believe that, I believe that's correct. interesting because you have like national parks serve this purpose that i don't want any other public lands or federally managed lands to serve which is a place where lots and lots of people can go and they're you know there's a lot more rules and folks are pretty confined and you kind of end up with this weird amusement park type of crossover into like something that's supposed to be preserving a real wild experience. A Garden of Eden. Yeah. It's a resolution. If the resolution passes, it's not binding. But the resolution just says it's the state legislature passing a resolution where the purpose of the resolution is to ask the park to consider it. The park officials there had already ruled it out as being, quote, inconsistent with existing laws, policies, and regulations. But the whole situation there is like inconsistent.

Yes. It's an aquarium like kind of like partially make-believes situation. That's what I say, man. Just let it take its course. Let's see what happens. They can't help them. They can't. I know because someone has an idea of what a

healthy ecosystem is, but they really can't define it. It changes all the time. They should just let it roll because who knows? It'll be like a great little experiment. What happens when the moose eat themselves out at home? How do the willows react? Do they start growing

away from the sound of moose hooves coming through the woods? Growing away from it? It used to be caribou and lynx, right? Yep,

caribou and lynx. Up into the 1800s it was caribou and lynx. Really? And then like, yeah. And I think part of the thing to consider here too

is, and, uh, you're, you're better half Jen and probably, uh probably be able to talk to this a little bit is, you know, these systems always have a bunch of research going on. And there's probably a bunch of folks that have dedicated funding very specifically to something out there. And they're like, well, hey, like I'm supposed to be doing this. And, you know, XYZ is happening, which is getting in the way of that. And if we let this happen, then I'm not going to be able to do this. And my funding is supposed to be exactly for.

Secure funding is hard to come by. I know I can tell you that. Especially these days from what I hear. And I don't know if that's exactly the case, but there's always all sorts of factors. Yeah. Especially these days from what I hear. And I don't know if that's exactly the case, but there's always all sorts of factors. Yeah. What do you think about all that, Phil? I just was thinking about,

you're talking about the willow growing away. I just immediately think of Pocahontas, the film. Go on. There's a character named Grandmother Willow. I'm sure you guys are really into this right now. No, I'd love to hear more, though. Oh, she's just a willow tree that gives sage advice. Is that right?

Yeah. Yeah. So, I don't know, growing towards the sound of the water, that sounds like a good idea. Do you know a Neil Young song, Pocahontas? That's a hell of a song. I don't, no. Marlon Brando. You know that one, Cal?

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possible? It is. It is because I know somebody. A big Meteor fan too. Doesn't like TV. Has Netflix... No. James Miller. You know him. You've had dinner at his house. Jimmy't like TV. Has Netflix. No. James Miller. You know him. You've had dinner at his house. Jimmy Miller. Yeah. We talk about him all the time. Yeah.

He's old school, right? He still serves up a invoice that he writes on his like 1952 typewriter. He's good at it. But he has Netflix at home. The kids use Netflix, but he's just not willing to go over that hurdle

of figuring it out. So whatever small percentage that is. But like I tell Jimmy, I'm going to tell everybody else, it's not that difficult. No, dude, it's the easiest thing in the world, man. Sign up. I think Netflix is still less than $10 a month.

Am I right there? I don't know. It's somewhere around $10 a month. No, they make it incredibly easy. Yeah. It's like the smartest people in the room, man, and figuring out how to make stuff easy. Running cable is harder, like DirecTV.

Well, this guy tiles people's houses. He tiles luxury homes. He's like, oh, I can tile a luxury home, but I can't get my TV to work. Come on. I'm just saying, that small fraction of people are out there. I don't want to tell them. It's easy. You can do it. In my never-ending quest for beaver trapping permissions,

I was out surveying an old feller's beaver problem not too far from here at all. And he was real curious about why I had free time in the middle of the week. I'd be like, dude, all I do is work, man. Right now I have a couple minutes to go take a look. But we got talking and I'm trying to explain what I do and eventually I'm like, well, you know, like Netflix. Uh-uh.

I was like, dude, that's great, man. I hope you never find out. And he tells me, he goes, you know, I did watch a video once on that YouTube. It's the same guy. He's like, so you, uh, see you fiddling with your phone there. You call that work? Do you?

You're like, uh, yeah. Yep. I do. I had a, I was at the museum of the Rockies last night. Oh, you like to go to that little thing Yeah Cause you get like a free beer and learn about something Well yeah it's the learning about something

And what's great is You can just go check out the museum Without A bunch of other folks there No you pay It's 15 bucks I think And you get 3 beers and some appetizers Well the old ladies fight for the appetizers.

It's the hops in history. Is that the name of the program? Oh, yeah. Something like that. Yeah, it's Brews Under the Big Sky. Ah, got it. How often do you go? When I'm in town, it's the last Tuesday of every month.

Is it like a pickup scene down there? Boy, you'd have to really broaden your age range. Like the median age. In the direction that most people don't want age range. Like. Like the median age. In the direction that most people don't want to broaden. Yeah. Yeah. You're looking at,

you know, I'm going to say 64 ish, kind of younger than, than I typically describe it to people. But, uh, it's sweet. Anyway,

there is this, uh, um, the curator for the, uh, paleontology department gave a talk on extinct mammals. Oh. And it's always Montana-centric.

Oh, yeah. You know what? You sent me a thing. I feel bad to have not gone to that. It's great. I'm trying to raise a family, man. And I had gone up, like probably every jackass does to a paleontologist. And I'm like, so I got a bone I want you to check out.

And he's like, that's a rock. Yeah. And she was very nice. And it was just really funny, though, because I'm like, yeah. Did you have your famous tooth with you? Like, let me whip this out. I had, well, so she studied under your buddy down at Texas A&M.

Meltzer. Meltzer. Yeah. David Meltzer. And she kind of knew that crew down there. I wouldn't go so far as to call him my buddy. I'd say my hero. Hero.

Yes. Um, and so that was kind of funny, but then this guy comes up and he turns to the paleontologist says, Hey, you did a great talk. And then he turns to me and goes, and you had a great season. Really? Yeah. And I was like, God, I kind of feel like an athlete of some sort.

I had a great season. Oh, that's cute. Yeah. It was funny. So did you go down there by yourself? No. Uh, that friend of mine, Andrea meet up with her down there. Yeah. Yeah was funny. So did you go down there by yourself? No, that friend of mine, Andrea, meet up with her down there. Yeah.

Former roommate. You met down there or drove down there? Former roommate, right? Met down there. Former roommate. You guys drove separate cars. Yeah. Yeah, we dated a long time ago.

And now you drive around separate everywhere. Well, I got that out of her system, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All the questions. You know, we had a lot of questions but the the the 3 000 plus and then but but they paired it down to 31 but uh there's some of the questions when i was perusing them i found some questions that aren't on the i know that's why i said we

should have done it together you know Like there was one like how come It was like how come there's curse words So many curse words Yeah and I'm like I'm always surprised how few curse words are in there Yeah I didn't feel like there was a lot of cursing I don't even know what they were talking about But I've heard it from numerous people

It'd curl your hair if you Yeah it's not like we're like It's not like we sit around and we're like you know what Here's where we'll put in a curse word well yeah and what are you comparing it to pocahontas grandma willow yeah that raccoon has a foul mouth yeah you gotta watch the movie when they you know those movies uh like when they're watching like, I don't know, like Fast and Furious or whatever. They're like, ah, this is horrible. People cursing.

I don't know. Yeah, I'm always shocked how few there are. Well, I feel like we cut a lot of them out. I feel like bad curse words we beep but you gotta leave the beep in there and the beeped curse word because it shows the emotion that was going through the person at that moment. Yeah, like when Ronnie Bam got attacked by that

bee. That's right. People we hang with, I don't feel like they have a foul mouth because they're foul people, right? They just, at times when emotions run high, they tend to use a foul word which i think in the proper context is okay we don't hang around with sailors so to speak on no i'm not good at sailing is there a difference between what was coming out on cable and what's

coming out on net. Do you think? No, I haven't. No, I don't. I don't think that there's any. No, no, no. I have to go like review because I just don't think I feel like now and then like someone will say like whatever. Someone will say some little kind of innocuous swear word. But, you know, the other thing I wonder about is like, I don't know. I'm not in jail.

I grew up. I can dang sure tell you that when I grew up, my father hung out with a colorful crew of individuals, and my mother would get a little mad now and then. And I was exposed as a young child to dirty words. And I'm not in jail. I just don't know if that's going to be like the end of someone to hear, right? Is it going to be the end of someone to hear a word and then their parents

have to say he just said that word he's older don't say that no it's such a self-serving reason um i'm gonna throw my wife onto the bus because she's like well i don't want my kids running around saying you know shit i heard someone else's boy say shit the other day you know it's like, come on. Like, if my kid starts running around singing all the time, I'm going to sit down and have a conversation about when you say that, when you don't, and why kids shouldn't say it, you know? Yeah, we have words for our kids.

There's words you just can't ever, ever say. Yeah, your kids know them all, don't they, now? No, they don't know them all. All but one? There's one they don't know, and they'll never know it. So there's, like, words. Like, they'll't know them all. All but one? There's one they don't know, and they'll never know it. So there's like words, like they'll just hear stuff. I mean, they hang out with their uncle. I don't know.

They just hear stuff. You're walking around at night, and you trip on a matchbox car and say. And when kids are always looking for that, too, because they're like, oh, I don't know what that word is. So what is that? If I say something that's in one ear and out the other, if their mom says something, they just fall in love with it. There's like something about like, you know what I mean? It's just daddy. But yeah, if their mom like trips on a matchbox car in the middle of the night and hurts her foot, that word becomes a big part of everybody's life for a few days.

They all love it. But I'm like, there's like words you do not like. You are, I know you heard it. Never say that word. Then there's like. But you explain why, right, you are, I know you heard it, never say that word. Then there's like. But you explain why, right? What are you telling? Well, you'll get in trouble and people will think you're a loser.

And then there's words where like, yeah, I get it. You can say it in the house around us, but definitely don't say it at school. Well, you and I had a conversation with your oldest when we were heading out to, I think set, uh, crayfish traps over the summer where it was like, yeah, well, uh, you probably shouldn't say it. Like you got to understand like in certain circles that would be like the equivalent of you like cutting somebody's head off like that bad. Right.

Like you gotta, it's, it's hard to like say like so around here passable you know the next house over that would be like the kids going to bed without dinner and gonna get locked up for a month type of thing right yeah like how do you explain it like you guys got a hard job ahead yeah yeah i like it it's interesting to argue about or explain to kids be like you have these things like these words um and like we all agree that yellow like when we look we agree that there's a word y-e-l-l-o-w and that word represents this color and that's like how language functions and you throw this weird thing into it where there's like other words,

um, that we've all agreed are bad, but we use them all the time. It's like, you get into the, it's hard. Yeah. Sounds hard.

And you're like, well, why those ones? You know, I don't know. We just have all agreed that that's bad and you didn't need to get, and you need to get on board. Sign on the dotted line.

Yeah. When you step back and look at it, it's quite childish, really, to have those words. They're like, hold on a minute. So I know hundreds of words. You tell me that. Don't say that one. No, that's right. That one don't use.

You know what, though? Some, what's a, what's a language professor, researcher? Linguist? So if you get into like the sort of history of a word,

it's the etymology. I don't know if there are etymologists, but I know linguists study language. But I guess we just have

to have them for times of extreme, whatever happenstance and emotion is why we have to have those words. That's why there's some, uh, I've been using the word naughty. That's why there's some naughty. Like if there's naughty words in the show,

I guess I would generally rather them not be there. Uh, like meaning we don't go out of our way to put them in there. But there's a lot of things that happen there. Like it's a style of filming. Yeah, it's like verite filming. It's like a style of filming where there's an artifice to it because you're putting people, you're inviting people to come and hang out and be on the show.

And people are aware there's cameras aimed at them and and it's artifice there's uh there's a performance taking place but in in the case of the show we do it like the performance is a real thing that people actually do meaning that what you're watching would feasibly uh would feasibly be happening in the absence of cameras and in fact most of people that are engaged in it would probably almost absolutely be doing that or something very similar in the absence of the camera but you know there are cameras there and it's not like a surprise. Everybody knows they're there. They're 36 inches away from your face sometimes. So it's a distorted reality, but only slightly distorted. And you are trying to capture real people in real moments and experiencing real things and real emotions.

And oftentimes you get those, and those moments come with naughty words. Is it naughty or dirty better, Maggie, for the words description? Dirty. Dirty words. Curse words. like getting rid of the moment in order to sanitize for, for people's sensitivities around language. You just kind of have this thing. Some things happen where like,

that's a great moment, but that's just too much. You know, it's too much, too much, naughty, too dirty, too naughty.

What's your take on the folks that instead of saying fuck ing they get they say frigging oh man I would get in so much trouble when I was a kid for that you said frigging my dad hated it cuz you're basically saying we've caught our older boys saying it friggin we're like no no no it's the same thing I have the same person my dad it's like my dad's like we're gonna treat it like you just said it because you're saying it. You're playing a game.

I remember the worst busted we ever got. I don't really care about the kids doing it. I want to know how you feel about adults. I know some adults that have a clean-esque path through life. And so instead of saying the real curse word,

they say frigging. I'm like, come on. Yeah, but I do it now. And then Rogan's teased me for saying frigging. And the guys, the outfitters we were with in Wyoming, they don't like to swear did you catch him saying friggin no no definitely not yeah no i told you i honor they're like they have like they have they

speak with honor yeah right honorable lives and speak with honor but they will say like something like son of a buck or something like that yeah and i'm like man that's like really like a conscious decision to like portray right a conscious decision to like portray right a conscious decision to with your language demonstrate a ethic or you know um and yeah i'm in i guess i'm just interested in language the worst time i just real quick sorry because i remember just so vividly the worst time we got busted, like, I think the moment when we all knew that we all swore a lot

and our dad knew we swore a lot was my brother, Matt. We had a live well. Like, my dad, you know those things, like bread racks? Like, if you go to a grocery store, you know that they got that thing

you roll around, and it's got those plastic mesh shelves, and you put all the loaves of bread on there? My old man would make live wells by getting one, two, three, six of those and zip tying them together and then putting, attaching styrofoam floats and making a hinged lid. So it'd just be like a plastic mesh box that could float around. You tie it to the end of your dock and you can put fish in there.

And I remember we'd got back from, we'd been fishing opening night of bass season like going out at midnight and we caught a bunch of bass and threw them in the live well and then someone didn't fasten the lid down and i remember matt laying on the end of our dock like bending over at the waist so he's laying on the dock but bent over at the waist fishing around in the live well distraught about all the fish that got away like they suppose someone didn't close the latch and he's down there just carrying on and i look and here's the old man coming out the dock but all of a sudden he's just like there and it's too late and mad can't see his head's down in the live well and he's just like raising hell. And my dad's

coming and I can't notify him because I'd get busted notifying him. Oh yeah, I remember being like, oh man, now everybody just knows everything. It's all out in the open. It'll never be the same. End of the innocence. A question for Maggie be the same. And to the innocent. A question for Maggie that came up.

There's two questions. People say, what was my favorite episode of Workouts? The one that Maggie's in. Maggie and Tracy. Well, thanks, Steve. This is the best episode. It's an honor. Maggie's first turkey hunt.

Screwed it up. Thanks. I just watched it. It was great. Yep, now everyone can see that I screwed it up thanks i just watched it it was great yep now everyone can see that i screwed it up dude you can watch it on repeat by far my favorite episode so maggie went through hunter safety um but the episode ends and you're talking about how you wanted to go back out and you said you're gonna go back out on wednesday and some person's like that you go back out on Wednesday. And some person's like, did she go back out on Wednesday? I unfortunately did not. Too much work to do, but Yanni got to go out.

I had to edit. I didn't have as much work to do. If you watch the episode we're talking about, you know the bird, Sneaky Pete. And Yanni went back and got my ass handed to me again. I was pretty much brining his breasts

as I was sitting there in the dark. I mean, I couldn't have been definitely closer than 50 yards, the tree that I was leaning against, to the tree that he was perched in. When you went back solo. Yeah, I thought there was no way. And it was funny too too because I snuck in there in the dark and in the dark and I hadn't heard him gobble I sit down and I was there for

at least but you just knew where he'd be he was in the same tree man yeah every time so yeah I was going it was going for broke hero or zero I kind of ended up with something in between because I got the hero because I sat there for 10 minutes in the dark long enough to start second guessing myself and to think well maybe i should try to salvage the morning and go look for you know try to strike up another gobbler and all of a sudden he gobbles i'm like yeah he's right there you know and i'm here and i haven't like moved having no noise for 10 minutes like like no calling nothing I wasn't gonna call I was gonna just let him fly down in front of my gun barrel and at that point you're like hey bud you want to just jump in the truck it's basically over

yeah pretty much man I got did you know what his landing strip was because we i had hanging right here in our in our studio uh our probability thing yeah he had two landing strips that we knew of that we knew knew that he had you know kind of we never saw him actually fly down but we he would appear and we'd see which way he went and twice we watched him so we knew he had gone two different directions. I definitely had one. It was the same direction that we set up, Maggie and I set up, where we had him come by us. I had set up on that same sort of general path. I thought I had set up kind of choked in tight enough on him that if he went to the other way, I would catch a glimpse of him.

Well, somehow, I don't know. He didn't gobble as hard as he had earlier in the week that morning i maybe got 20 gobbles off the tree and then he hit the ground and didn't make another peep until he was 400 yards away where did he hit the ground like let's say he's at the center of the clock and you're at the 12th uh-huh. I don't know for sure, but somewhere between three and nine, you know? So. On the far end of the clock. Yeah, but if he.

So it wouldn't work just to lean against Sneaky Pete's tree because he pitches up too far out. Plus, how are you going to get in there? Because he's got all day to get in there. No, at night when he's coming back. If you know for a fact Sneaky Pete comes back to the same tree every night, why can't you sit with your back to the tree? You could do that, for sure.

Why didn't you guys do that? This was a morning hunt. Yeah, but why didn't you do that? Well, we just about did. Why didn't you do it that night when you went back solo? I did that. That was a morning hunt when I went back solo. Why didn't you do it that night when you went back solo? That was a morning hunt. Why didn't you just hang out?

I was at work by like 9.30. I hunted him for an hour and left. We did go out though. One other morning, but not Sneaky Pete. Yeah, Maggie and I went hunting turkeys another morning. Oh, so you did do a turkey return. Not the same zone though.

We just hunted locally here in Bozeman. Nothing. hunting turkeys another morning. Oh, so you did do a turkey return. Yeah, but we didn't even. Not the same zone though. Not the same zone. We just hunted locally here in Bozeman. Nothing. Nothing. Not even a gobble. I was very impressed with, and I kind of want to know if this is like this for people that watch the episode,

but I had bumped into Maggie earlier this week or last week and said, oh man, I haven't watched that yet. I got to watch that. And then watched it. And I was amazed at like how, even though I knew what the outcome was, how I was like, shoot it. Like I wanted Maggie to have that type of success so badly that like part of my

brain was still like, she can still make it happen when we started cutting the episode months went by we started cutting the episode the minute i finally got the watch i wasn't there at the moment you know i was off doing my own thing when i got to watch the footage i just immediately called her call me like four times i was like i was like i just i just don't understand what what you thinking. I was too much, thinking too much. It's frozen. Are you going to, did you hear from people that you, when the show came out, did you hear from people you hadn't heard from in a long time? Yeah, a lot of people from high school. And what did they have to say?

Like, what were you thinking? They were just stoked. So no one called you a dog on you? No. I think they were more like jealous of the opportunity that I was given. High schoolers? Yeah. Tons of.

Minnesota? Yeah. Tons of guys from high school. Guys from high school? Mm-hmm. And the old flames? No. People don't say that.

Sorry, guys. People don't say that anymore. Well, I was a nerd in high school, so. Is that right? Mm-hmm. Huh. Yeah. Bad? Val Victorian. Is that right? Mm-hmm. Huh. Yeah. Bad?

Val Victorian. Is that right? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Good deal, Maggie. Yeah. I made a lot of friends by helping people cheat in high school. You can do a little hunting this fall?

It's not on the agenda right now, but I wouldn't be against it. You don't have a single hunt planned? No. I heard rumor, that's not true, because I heard a rumor this morning about a little hunt plan. Well,

I thought you were going to duck hunt. Maybe with Hansi, but he already did duck camp. I didn't know he was done. He just did it for like a week. Oh, yeah, but you just want to do the early mornings around here. Yeah. Yeah. We can make a week. Oh, yeah. But you just want to do like the early mornings around here.

Yeah. Yeah. We can make that happen. Okay. Cool. I heard someone mention getting you out on a little whitetail doe excursion. I be game. This is what I heard.

You're willing? Yeah. But you haven't like, so you're one of the people we always hear about. There's this big conversation in this country, in the sporting community, about R3. And what R3 is, and recruitment, retention, reactivation of hunters. My brother is vehemently opposed to it. And I understand where he's coming from. Yeah. Like, why would you want more people on the woods sorry crowd but um you're like a case study because the thing is you can what they find is you can take a you get a new hunter you take them out hunting you show

them a great time um but then they don't go out they don't go out they're like oh that was the greatest thing i've ever seen i'm so glad i it. But then they don't on their own volition go back out. Yeah. So what is preventing you? Too busy? Really busy. But I don't know. I think like to go with other people.

I still think I have a lot to learn. So you need more. And I feel like. More tutelage. More confidence out there. More tutelage. Yes. But I have a lot to learn and I go out more tutelage. more confidence out there. More tutelage, yes. But I have a lot to learn and I go out by myself

as much as I can. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know, maybe I'm still intimidated by it too. You think so? Yeah.

So where do you think Maggie is in the R3s? Because technically she's been recruited. Yeah, I mean, no. Because she bought the license, right? It's still recruitment phase.

Yeah. It's not like reactivation. It's like you went out turkey hunting, but you're going to reactivate. Retention, right? Yeah, she might be

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Why don't you go? Let me look at this list. You want to take a look at the list? I got another one. How do y'all spend so much time together and yet maintain such good friendship? That's a good question, but it doesn't... We don't have the problem of... I don't know why. We don't have the problem of people getting...

I think that question was directed directly at you and I. When I read it. And I think that they have a distorted view of how much time we spend together. I spend more time with you than I do with my wife. Come on. Not quite. Yeah. Spend a lot of time together, but...

Like nuts on a dog. I mean, look at it now. We've been trying to have a meeting for at least a week. Because we haven't been out filming in a week. And we haven't been able to get that done. Okay, I'll never see you, Yanni. I don't know.

We have some scuffles. Yeah, but I was going to say, if we had the time, we'd probably... We'd hang out more because we'd go hunting and fishing together. Yeah. But we're always too guilt-ridden. When we're home, we're trying to be like how you're supposed to act. Yeah, and in the wintertime, I turn into a skier and you don't.

Woo! You like to ski, Maggie? Oh, yeah. I ski raced growing up. Oh. It was not on Annieie's level but um yeah i don't think that it's i've never had it uh we've had some disagreements but never had a uh never had a problem but i think it also it's something that like reinforces itself because at this point if

we were going to not get along we'd have not gotten along a long time ago. That's right. I think there's something to be said that, like, a huge part of this job is communication, too. And you guys are practiced, skilled communicators. Mm-hmm. And that's just not something a lot of folks are good at. And obviously, you guys probably aren't good at it 24 hours a day you mean the ability to always be like here's what i'm thinking here's what i'm thinking yes i'm thinking i understand where you're coming from but here's what i'm thinking let me explain this again this is yeah right not a whole lot of tongue biting yeah yeah that's

actually probably um the lack of tongue biting can burn i probably can burn things out but i think it like done in the right way with a certain level of uh maturity um a lack of tongue biting is probably good absolutely i i would agree a hundred percent maggie's very good at this she's lack of tongue biting? Yeah. Really? Yeah. Because you, I said something to Maggie and she immediately clarified

like, hey, you said this to me and this was like a five minute time lapse. Uh-huh. Is this what you intended by that? And I was like, oh God no. I was like, I was just joking around. Really? Yeah.

And in turn, I said, hey, thank you very much for following up on that because that would have been. Rather than spending all week thinking you said something that you didn't say. Or months for some people, right? And then it's like, well, Ryan thinks this. And it's like, what? Huh? Well, thanks, Cal thanks gal yeah very good

i think that's part of just my job too yeah let one rip ronnie maggie got one i know you gotta go but you want to pick one out did you have one picked i didn't have one picked out so you do i'll do one then you can pick one out in the uh Mountain Bugle episode, which is the archery elk episode in Washington, we lost some of the elk meat, and this fellow rode in. Can I say their Instagram handle? No, I wouldn't. I kind of like his. I like it too.

How much meat did you lose from that elk, and how do you decipher between good and spoiled meat? I like it too. How much meat did you lose from that elk? And how do you decipher between good and spoiled meat? That's a great question because it's hard to do. And I now in hindsight. We spent a lot of time farting around with it. Yeah, in hindsight, I feel that I was. I'm trying to think. I don't know if it'd be.

I was going to say that I was too conservative or too liberal, but I don't know which, how it would apply here. In hindsight, I was thinking things were closer to bad than they were. Because nothing I've pulled out of my freezer and thawed. Right. Whatever that smell,

there's like a smell of souring flesh and once it gets in your nose it's like trapped in your nose for a long time i think and i think that you start psyching yourself out and you're thinking that everything right you can't get like a clean you can't almost get like a clean palate so thoughts of out of my freezer. Now I thawed out and it smells... Smells like elk? Yeah. But smell. I don't lose any other way. Well, no.

Remember that morning? We were... I don't know if it was... Maybe it was the afternoon. I think it was the afternoon before that. Our last afternoon there after we had packed it out. We were taking chunks of meat off of certain areas that were questionable and cooking them. On taste testing them. Yeah.

And doing a little, just fried in a pan, a little ketchup on the side. I took some pictures of that. You know, taste testing. Yeah. Because you can get like some iridescent meat coloration. Yeah. Right. Just like even at home.

We're like, kind of, that's got a weird green shine. You can see it in a meat counter now and then. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think there's anything wrong with iridescence. I don't think it's like, it doesn't mean that it's getting fresher.

It doesn't iridesce on the carcass. Yeah. But yeah, so it's hard to like, yeah, just do a visual inspection and obviously the nose can give you away the one big game animal that i've got where it was just you couldn't do anything with it um we did like the smell thing was just getting overwhelming and we would cook pieces of it in butter and then go out we're like processing it in the kitchen of it in butter and then go out. We're like processing it in the kitchen, cook pieces in butter and then go outside to just get in the total fresh air and then taste it.

And every bite you're like, ah, God, it is not like we were like, it is not in my imagination, man. It is rank. That, uh, bowl I lost in New Mexico this year, I started cutting the thing open and, um, the bile was coming up through the ham. Mm. Ooh. Really? Yes. Like, it was swelled up so badly that the hide had, like,

lifted off of the face and everything. Oh, yeah. Oh, my goodness. Whoa. But I was like, well, because it was less than 24 hours, and I was like, well, if something's going to be good,

it's got to be, like, the top of this back strap because it's not underneath the weight of the elk and wouldn't have gotten was like, well, the, if something's going to be good, it's going to be, it's got to be like the top of this back strap because it's not underneath the weight of the elk. And when it got in like the full effect of the sun and, and yeah, man, I, I peeled that hide back and, and like bile was coming up like impossibly it seemed through the meat. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, I want to give this a cleaner answer. Lost more meat than I'd ever want to have happen again. Like top chunks of the back hams, anything around the ball joint, tenderloins.

I feel like some of the, like the part on the downside part of the animal, like the heavy part of the shoulder. A lot of stuff. I mean, some of the neck um but certainly not 50 no but i mean it's like it was felt like a real disaster to me yeah i mean just who wants to i remember one time losing uh killing a bull one night with my bro and i don't know why we thought it was going to get cold that night. And we were afraid to open it up because

of grizzly bears. And we're like, let's just go sleep for a little bit and come back right at daybreak. And we had lost just handfuls of meat from around the ball joints on the back legs and being like, man, I'll never have that happen again. And it happened again.

But in terms of like the testing, I think there's, I guess it's like guess it's like there's there's three things some of it like the bull i'm talking about that i lost my brother when we didn't want to gut it we didn't want bears to find it or to decrease whatever percent decrease the chances of a bear finding it by not gutting it um and just not know, not want to be out there all night messing with it, just being dumb and lazy. Color. Greenish blue, like greenish blue color.

You can get like meat will sour and it'll get a color to it. And you know what you're looking at when you see it. You buy that? Yeah. Smell. And then finally, I guess the only one that really matters is taste. And so sometimes you'll see it, it'll be green,

greenish blue, it'll have a bruised look to it that's souring. And then the smell is just, it smells like what you think it smells like. It smells like something that's starting to rot. And the taste. They'll start to get slimier too. Yeah, that's a good point.

Very soft. Rotten meat is soft. Yes. you can put a finger into it like you run a finger into rotten meat yeah if you've i've been thinking about that lately because i've been doing some butchering and you can definitely um just when i start handling the meat i'm thinking to myself this is going to be tender or this is not going to be tender eating. And certainly the longer it hangs, the more it gets that. Yeah, because you can get, or I have messing around with aging. You get that enzyme layer.

It's kind of like all of a sudden you have an extra layer of liquid on the meat that wasn't there before. That's real roll of the dice. Yeah. It's like, you know, you got to do something with it right then. But yeah, oddly enough, never lost anything doing that. But that's some tender meat. You got one you want to rip out now, Maggie? Yeah.

Just because, you know, I'm part of the production team. What's the hardest part of hunting with a large production team? Does it ever play a role in how many chances you had with animals? I'm part of the production team. What's the hardest part of hunting with a large production team? Does it ever play a role in how many chances you had with animals? There's some things you gain and things you lose. I also don't think our team, after being out there, is that big. I mean, you guys really go small team. Well, when you compare it to being by yourself,

yeah, four people's a lot. Totally. Or whatever. Totally. There's things you gain and things you lose. Um, the extra eyeballs are absolutely nice,

especially when you're just having like a big old glass and session on top of a hill and you're not spooking anything. Anyways, you're just looking. It's like the extra eyeballs is great. And we have have some camera guys even bring their own binoculars when there's nothing to do they like to glass they just think it's fun to glass and yeah you pick up they pick up a lot of stuff so you're seeing a lot more stuff up close it's just harder waterfowl is just harder it's just harder. It's just harder. All in all, it's definitely not beneficial all in all, but the extra eyeballs is interesting. But yeah, up close stuff can be tough.

Yeah. There's a tendency I think the on-camera people have a tendency to want to blame everything on the camera people. It's the first place I go. Someone did something! Like, I never spook anything. It's always who's ever with me, right? And there's a

spirited there's like a spirited, friendly tension that goes on where you're paying people to do a job and their job is to film stuff. And they need to film the stuff and so they're a good camera guy um is willing to take whatever abuse they need to take to like respectfully get the coverage they need to get on the other hand from my perspective i'm like i'm interested in making a good show a thing that will help us have a good show is having some action you're preventing us from having a good show. Yes. By fidgeting around too much. Yeah.

But it never comes to blows. I'd be curious to hear Giannis' perspective on it. I don't know if I have much to add. I think you pretty much hit the nail on the head there. Ducks is tough. Play a role in how many chances you had with animals. I, I really like, um, the, you know, you're, like you said, you're paying people to run a camera and the people that run cameras, part of what they're doing is always looking for like pretty things and interesting things. And I feel like that's, it's just, I enjoy being in the woods with people who are like, it's not a big giant bull elk, but it's just like a really cool, you know, lichen covered rock or, you know, all sorts of little detail things that are really cool that make up a

good experience in the woods. And, and i always like that but there are always those times where you're like yeah i wouldn't have been moving right then but took us a long time to get over here it's it we put a lot of pressure on them it's a tough job because if they don't get the shot in the field because they were sitting behind you because all the hunters never want the camera guys to get out in front of them for obvious reasons you know they're going to break the skyline before you do they're not going to be looking etc etc um but then when we get back and you're in the editing studio you're like where's the shot how come there's no shots of me walking at the camera

it's like well dumbass because you were yelling. Stay behind and stay low the whole time, you know? It doesn't make for a fun edit or interesting edit either, but it's just behind footage. No, no, no. But the good guys, the really good ones,

they know it so well and they've been out so much that they know like you're going up a hill and they'll know if they want to get out front to get a walking towards shot. They're like reading the landscape all the time.

And they know that like at the top of the hill, they're going to shoot me if I crest over the top of that hill before they get there. And so they'll like run out and get their shots. And they're kind of like watching the top of the hill thing. Cause then they know at the top of the hill, they better be back behind you in case you crest over and see something. And they start to, it's fun when I can't,

when you get someone who's so, so schooled in it that they're, that they're doing all that in their head. Yeah. You know, and they know like when you get up to a spot and you first sit down on the glass, they know to hold tight.

Then you kind of like get a good look around, you know, there's nothing immediately around. They'll get up and do what they got to do. And like get a good look around. You know, there's nothing immediately around. They'll get up and do what they got to do. And then it's fun. You know, then the tension levels go way down when they really know the situation. Yeah. But we don't have camera guys that come.

We don't work with camera guys that really come out of a hunting background. No. I'd say that's a tough thing to find. Yeah. I would rather have someone that like knows how to film more than knows how to hunt. I think it's probably easier to learn. You've come around then. Yeah.

Slowly, begrudgingly, I have. I have. It's, I mean. I mean, it'd be great both, but yeah, begrudgingly I have because it's just like knowing which shooters just work the best. Right. knowing which shooters just work the best, right? You know, the shooters we have that are just like such, we have a bunch of great shooters, but the shooters we have that are just really special ones that are kind of like part of the family,

they didn't come out of that, you know? They always have lens cloths. That's great. Yeah. When my binoculars get messed up, I'm like, lens cloth. Yeah. They know how to keep stuff dry uh how much scouting goes into each of the new locations you hunt man it's that's a weird one i'll try to answer this one uh quickly because i feel like we talked about it so we go to we're always filming in new places we're rarely filming in

a place that we hang out a whole bunch but we have professionally over the years developed such a network of contacts and can kind of really like find anyone anywhere within two or three phone calls usually that it's we don't scout the way most people are forced to scout we like a lot of people scout like the old-fashioned way like map reading you know looking at aerial images which we do but a lot of our stuff just because we know so many people and are well connected that a lot of our scouting is people being like i'm at 100 two years ago and you should check this out check that out check this out check that out um we just have a different scouting method. Yeah.

As far as species go, we don't really dive in too deep because usually, I don't know, I think we like learning kind of on the go while we're there, and it makes for interesting content when we're learning while we're filming, right? Because you can then kind of sort of take the viewer along with you through that ride about what you're learning whether it's about the landscape or the animals I think sometimes it can hurt us too when you get

like one we have a busy schedule so it's not like we have one big hunt lined up and I'm going to research it all summer long and go and scout it one time during the summer and get ready for it. We have a bunch of hunts going on. So sometimes I feel like it hurts because we're just not doing as much research as we could.

We're a little bit flying through the night and, you know, getting some hot tips from some guys and just hitting the ground going, you know. And it's fine when we have a great time and we have success and we get it done. But I think that if you, uh, you know, put 10 times more effort into the research and scouting, we would do better. You know, a good example of when we talked about would be, um, where we filmed, where we filmed, started out filming the Turkey episode that you, Maggie, and Tracy were in, is one of the guys we work with had heard some birds gobbling right where we started. But then it took five minutes to realize that that's not happening.

Yeah. And then any sort of like, quote unquote, scouting that we had done was basically someone saying, hey, there were some birds here, whatever, last spring or the spring before that were ripping right here, and they weren't there. And then from then on, we were just off to the races. Yep. Running around. Flying by the seat of your pants, figuring it out.

Kelly, you got any faves? I mean, there's a lot of good stuff on there, but I feel like we kind of hit some of it off. You don't have one, Cal. I don't have one. Do you want to look at the list and pick one out? Yeah. Have there ever been...

Someone asked this question. This is a good question. Have there ever been any planned episode hunts that have turned out so bad? They never aired. I liked that question too. The answer is yes. Yes. Next question.

One or one, one for sure. Kind of two, one for sure. Kind of two. So we want to be using a fair bit of one once. You had to refresh my, well, not refresh. I know which ones I think you're talking about.

We did. We one time did sort of this like homage to mule deer long ago and pulled from an ill-fated mule deer hunt. Pulled footage. But yeah, we've done 120 some episodes now something like that yeah and the only one that actually that we just fully didn't use was the bear hunt right yeah 120 some episodes and there's one time there's one thing we didn't use one of my proudest uh i think sort of i don't know if it's an accomplishment. I guess it could be an accomplishment. But as a producer of the show is that we went to do another episode of Sooty Grouse with Barbara a second time around.

And it wasn't until at some point during that episode, we started thinking, you know what? We might have a pretty good prequel to this. We should look at that footage that we think is so bad that they're in there is no episode there and we went and looked at it and we said you know what there is an episode here and it'll be a great prequel to the one with barbara yeah and so we read i i'm proud to have resurrected one that was in the can or not in the can. How would you say it? In the cards? No, it was in the dump. Just chopped.

So someone's wondering when hunting out of state or out of the country, let's just keep it to out of state. What are the logistics when traveling with the meat and firearms? Firearms are easy. Easy to travel with. Itarms are easy, easy to travel with.

It's just easy. You take your ammunition. Your ammunition has to be in a box designed to hold ammunition. It's best to carry your ammunition around in the box that you bought it in. But if you're a hand loader or whatever and you use those little plastic, what's that company? MGM, not MGM. MTM. MTM case, whatever the hell you keep your ammo in.

A box designed to hold ammo. And slap a label on it. Make it obvious it's ammo. Yeah. You're probably going to run into some issues if for some odd reason you had a bunch of 30-06 rounds jammed inside a toothpaste tube. Yep. Or, yeah. No, no, no, no. That a toothpaste tube. Yep. Or, yeah. Well, no, no, no.

That would be illegal. Yep. Yeah, they're going to probably question you as to why. Oh, you mean like, oh, no, it's in a box. It's in my travel toothpaste box. They'll not like that. Correct.

Yeah, this box made, yeah, designed for carrying ammunition. That's a good point. I'm not following. That if you just had a box that you think is great for carrying ammo but it wasn't like an ammo box no it stays specifically it's got to be designed to carry ammunition it can't be a toothpaste box yeah and i i was thinking along the path of why would

somebody make that point specifically it's probably because somebody was like, oh, that's a word. At one spot, I said, in a box. Yeah. That can go in your regular old duffel bag. Yep. Or in your case. But that being said, all these things that we're going to talk about now, it depends. It's not so much a TSA. They have some rules, too. But the separate airlines have separate rules.

So before you fly, you should just go to their webpage, look up traveling with ammunition. But I'm going to tell people how to do it. I'm going to tell people right now. And you're going to try to cloud it by talking about. What am I going to try to cloud? Because yes, with some airlines, you're allowed to put your ammo in the case. But oftentimes, the people at the counter don't know the rules. And that puzzles them.

I always print out the page on the airline website. Dude, I was building this up as how easy it was. And all everybody's doing is making it seem hard. Well, just. Okay, go ahead. Air Canada, man. They are the worst. That's why I said we're going to keep it to travel within the country. Right.

But I always just print out the page and I say, I was like, hey, I will do whatever you guys want to make this process easier, but this is what your airline says to do. Here is the printout from your website. I've had to do that in the past, is refer someone to their own policy. Yes. And I just do it in a very nice way?

Can I get back to telling how easy it is? Yes, please. I just want to tell a fail-safe way. A box or two of ammo. Can't have more than seven pounds of it. Eleven. Eleven. Well, you got to get your shit straight.

You're going to be... You can't have more. This is per airline. You can't have more. This is per airline. You can't have more than 11, which, trust me, is a lot of ammunition. A box or two of ammo in the box you bought it in, and put that in your duffel bag. Put it in your duffel bag. Just put it in there, however you want to put it in there. And you take your firearm, and you get a case, and your firearm firearm is unloaded and you don't have anything else in the case.

You just have a gun case. It's a hard-sided lockable gun case. And you have a TSA lock or a padlock for every lock spot on the case. Meaning if there's four padlock holes, four padlocks. That's why you want to buy a two padlock hole hard case. You get a two padlock hole hard case. I use Boyt and Pelican. Put your padlocks on there.

You walk in. You say, I have two bags of check, one of which, this is the language I always use, one of which is a firearm. They will then hand you a little declaration that says, I do hereby swear my gun's empty. You sign it. You put it in there. They either put it on the belt or they have you take it over to the

excess baggage place and you hang tight because someone's going to inspect it. They inspect it, make sure it's not packed full of bombs, and then you go on your way. And when you go to pick it up, it doesn't come out in the luggage carousel. Used to not too long ago, but now it'll come out in the special bag, like where you go to file a claim. When they lose your bags, they'll hold it. You go and you show them your ID, they hand you your thing. Sometimes I put a big zip tie around the box.

Nothing to it. They're supposed to all put a big giant zip tie on it. Man, that sounds easy, Steve. Dude, easy. Now, with meat, man, we've done a hundred things. I'm going to try to give the most typical way,

the most typical best way to do it. You go off some other place. You go out of state. Let's say you go to Maryland and you get to seek a deer and you want to bring it home. Now, maybe, I don't know, maybe your uncle has a processing shop, whatever. I'm just talking about like normal, just normal how we would do it. We would get our deer, bone it out, and leave it in big primary cuts.

So like bone the thing out, put it in gallon size Ziplocs, and in a perfect world, put a good freeze on it or some freeze on it. Or just get it cold. Get it cold, put a freeze on it, whatever you do. And then load it into uh yeti hoppers 40s were great 40s are no longer made that's enough 30s because a yeti hopper you're allowed to check 50 pounds per box if you have a big like a big hard-sided cooler you're eating up your poundage with the cooler but with with the hoppers, the hoppers weigh six, seven pounds.

So when you check 50 pounds, you're actually legit. You're checking 43 pounds of boneless meat and only seven pounds is the cooler. So we zip it into hoppers and fly home. And then when you get home, throw it in the freezer, or if you got time, sort it out and package it all how you want it. if not if we're leaving again on another hunt we'll take those gallon size ziplocs put them in a freezer and in the winter when you get time pull them back out let them thaw enough to break them apart trim them whatever you want to do get them recipe ready and then go back in the freezer and people would be like they'll make this sound that I often make. They'll make a sound like, do, do, do, do, do.

You can't freeze it and then thaw it and refreeze it. Do, do. You can just hear this person on Instagram in the comment section. Do, do, do, do. You can't. It's like, yes, you can. Yes, you can. And the reason I know you can is because I have eaten literally thousands of pounds of meat that was frozen and then thawed and refrozen. And I'm still here.

Not in jail. What is the reason someone would leave that comment? Like, what is the... It's just one of the things that people... You got your people that don't know. Okay? You got your people that don't know, and they just think you can't because of sanitation, whatever. Then you got you're like

people who are like joe wild game even though i'm more joe but you got people who are joe wild game and they're like well no actually you can't because of the moisture loss and because the food temperature stuff yes you can you can because we do it all the time and we're all fine. The other thing that I want to throw in here is, and I hear this often, if you want, if that meat is near and dear to you and you want to take it home, it can be done. Don't let anybody wherever you're at tell you that, oh, no. Sometimes it takes staying up all night and getting things really separated to get them cooled down to an appropriate temperature, but it can be done.

I hear horror stories about outfitters really going out of their way to discourage clients wanting to bring their game home because it just adds to the stuff they have to deal with. Yes. Yeah. Bad. I one time was flying out of, I can't remember what airport in Florida. Is JetBlue still an airline? Yeah.

They were telling me that it was like Palm Beach or something. They were saying that we have a policy that no one can fly with fish i'm like that cannot be true jet blue was telling you that one time and i raised a big stink and then let me check it but someone at the counter tried to tell me that you can't fly with fish you can't fly with fish and they back down but just flippantly like just to just to get rid of that having to deal with it can't fly off fish yeah yeah and I'd yeah I've had

kind of similar experiences where it's like where you start beating them up a little bit just by asking politely a bunch of different questions and it comes down to like let me get the form out. Alaska Airlines, that's a fish and hunting friendly airline, man.

If you don't have fish, you don't fly. And catch a can of Alaska Airlines, they take your fish and game and go put it in the freezer while, no way. Yeah, it goes from the baggage counter

into a freezer and then it goes from the freezer out of the plane when it's time. That's customer service. Dude, they take fish and game serious, man. Yeah, it goes from the baggage counter into a freezer, and then it goes from the freezer out of the plane when it's time. That's customer service. Dude, they take fishing games serious, man. Yeah, that's great. I do want to make the point, though, that I personally believe of the opinion that the meat does not have to be frozen. A good chill cold is good.

But as long as it wasn't radiating heat, I would put it into that hopper and stick it into that plane. It's going to go into the belly of the plane and then go up to 30,000 feet where it is cold as hell. It's probably going to be cooling. I mean, unless you just happen to be flying from Florida to California via Texas and just staying in the hot zone the whole time. But for the most part, it's probably getting colder as you fly.

Your meat's going to be fine. Even if it was like a very, very long day of flying, it's going to stay cool. It's not going to warm up. You're going to be fine. And you can fly with, I think, three pounds of dry ice. Oh, really? Yeah.

A couple of tech questions. And don't put dry ice in a Yeti hopper and seal it. Oh, yeah, they're too airtight. Yeah, we almost,

well, Kent and Caruth and I almost had a couple of meat bombs. Yeah, we had a couple of scary situations of dry ice and hoppers. If you put dry ice in a hopper,

leave the zipper cracked a little bit. Yeah, where it's like, what is that whistling? And I started digging through the back of the rental car. I'm like, oh my god! I never, ever mess with dry ice, man.

I had a trick. I got in trouble for talking about this one time, but we had a trick once upon a time where, this is a hotel trick. You know those ice machines at hotels where you take your little bucket of ice and go out in the hallway and get ice? It's humming way down the hall. I was doing an NPR interview one time and someone was asking me about traveling with fish. And I said, you know, it's a good trick.

It's because we used to stick fish and keep it chilled in the ice maker at the hotel. Just kind of dig a trough in the back and stick your frozen fish back in there and shoved the ice back on it. I can't remember, man. Someone, the NPR station got a lot of complaints from hotel people being pissed about it. Why? That's smart. That's smart. A couple of tech questions. Someone says, Steve never uses a spotting scope. What's up with that?

I use spotting scopes all the time. I use spotting scopes all the time. I use spotting scopes. 99% of my spotting scope use is giving something a careful examination after I have found it. I don't find a lot of stuff with spotting scopes. I don't know any real serious hunters that we hang with that sit around for hours the way we do glassing through binoculars, closing one eye and peering through a single spotting scope, it just doesn't. From what I've seen in my experience, it just doesn't work. Yeah, your eyes get tired that way. You're squinting. The panning is harder.

You need to have both eyes open when you're doing initial glassing. And now there is a thing where you can mount two spotting scopes side by side and look through them at the same time. Oh man. Oh baby. Yeah. Show me that.

That sounds great. But I do think even if you're doing a lot of like fine looking, trying to locate with the spotting scope, just because of that eye relief kind of fresh perspective, it's trying to locate with the spotting scope just because of that eye relief, uh, kind of fresh perspective. It's great to bounce back and forth. Um, cause it, it almost like rejuvenates you a little bit.

Oh yeah. It gives you a little break. You mean between bounce back and forth between your eyes? Oh no. Just from, uh, binos to spotter, even when you haven't located anything. Oh.

Yeah. You know. Yeah. Like coos deer hunting, I oftentimes just had to lay down and just close my eyes my eyes start to i get such like just like a weird like been staring through my binoculars too long but we're just on that mule deer hunt i carry like i had my just regular i do most my stuff with a pair of 10 power binos so i had a pair of vortex razors of 10s and then i had a 85 millimeter so that's like the objective lens so big ass spot and scope and i had that thing out 10 times well i don't know we're seeing four to ten bucks every

day every deer we found i'd have the spot and scope out looking at it so it's out all the time or now and then it'd be like some little pocket you couldn't really see into and you're kind of curious about i might put a spot and scope on it yeah but um every time we'd be like there's a buck and i would get the spot and scope out one to see what was up with him and two to scan around and see if he had any buddies hanging around bedded under some tree nearby so i'd always give him a i'm doing it all the time man i like to keep it handy i don't like to put it where I can't get at it yeah because then you're too lazy

and you can't get it out when you're glassing are there different techniques that you use with your binos like checking out a hillside or you're just kind of yeah

yeah I mean up down back forth yeah all that kind of stuff yeah near far close yeah mine's pretty um

I sit down look at all the good stuff first mhm and then I start picking Close. Yeah, mine's pretty. I sit down and look at all the good stuff first. Mm-hmm. And then I start picking the place apart. Yeah, like go over, down, back. Try to break it up into a way that makes, let's say you're looking across a flat plain at a hill. Mm-hmm. And there's like a, you know, there's like a big ridge that divides the hill you're looking at. I might be like, okay, I'm going to do the left

of that ridge side to side. So I'll be like, okay, now I'm going to do the right ridge. I'm going to do the flat plain.

Now I'm going to go in that order again and again and again and again and again and again and try to have some order to it because if you just look

at all the cool looking stuff, you miss a lot. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I was curious about. Another tech question. Why fixed blades and not mechanicals? I don't know, man.

Broadheads? I don't know. I just like them because they're already in the position they're supposed to be in, fixed blades. But no, it's not. It's nothing. It's just, I'm like, oh, there it is. It's all put together. It doesn't need to do anything. I don't think that's not nothing. I mean, that's my, it's nothing. It's just, I'm like, oh, there it is. It's all put together. It doesn't need to do anything.

I don't think that's not nothing. I mean, that's my reason for shooting fixed blade. It's already the way it's supposed to be. And I don't got to wonder. Right. But I mean, but I know a lot of like very accomplished archers who know more about archery tackle than I ever will, who love mechanicals. But for me, it's just like one less thing. We used them for a while, and it was kind of in the infancy.

I mean, they've been around a long time. It was kind of like when they first started becoming popular, and they had the rubber bands, you know, and like they'd get too much sunlight on them, and then the rubber band would be brittle, or the rubber band's not where it's supposed to be. And you're like checking your pockets for just like, I mess with them.

And then I just something about, I like one piece. I like one piece broadheads. Cause I just, I just look at it and I understand it and I know what's up with it. Yeah. You get a little corrosion and stuff just from like morning dew after multiple mornings in the field

running around and I've had them like stuck together to the point where I was like, I don't care what you run this through. It's not going to come open. Yeah, it's just like old man shit. I look at it and I understand it.

Nothing needed to be put together. I just know that it's like, that's what it is. There it is. That makes sense. What'd you take, Yanni? Yeah, I haven't used mechanicals much either. You know, I think that the technology's come a long way

with those broadheads. If I shot my bow at more critters, I'd probably try them. But yeah, right now I shoot fixed because they seem more sturdy more durable hey Phil the engineer remember how earlier today I was trying to get you to go to hunter safety yeah let's say you went to hunter safety

and then you got a bow and you learned how to shoot your bow and then you developed this insatiable blood lust yep probably probably gonna happen yeah uh would you be a fixed man or a mechanical man well i mean just the same reasons that you're talking about it seems more simple probably will last longer i'm guessing like like in the morning you know less of a chance of them falling apart. So you're with us. You're a fixed man.

Yeah. From all the knowledge I know about this subject, I've weighed the pros and cons, and I've come to the conclusion that I am a fixed man. Well stated. You can hit number 31 if you want to knock out another tech question. Oh, yeah. Great tech question. This one comes up a lot.

You can't answer it enough. Go ahead, Cal. Give tech question. This one comes up a lot. You can't answer it enough. Go ahead, Cal. Give the question and the answer. What is the electrical tape on the end of your barrel? If you just answer that straight out, it would be electrical tape. We learned about this in Hunter Safety, I think. Oh, really? What'd they say?

What'd they tell you about this in Hunter Safety? You don't get crap in your gun, right? They told you that in Hunter Safety? I think so. Or maybe we discussed it. I you don't get like crap in your gun, right? They told me that at Hunter Safety. Great. I think so. Or maybe we discussed it. I can't remember. I think it was on the test. Putting a piece of tape over the, I'll have to ask Tracy.

Huh. Yeah. Or it was in one of the videos, I think. Really? Yeah. Preventing stuff from getting down into your barrel of your gun. That's great. That's it.

Yep. They didn't tell me that in Hunter Safety. Yeah, not that I heard. That's great. It was intense. They failed to get ready. I remember them talking a lot about keeping your muzzle clear, being aware of the fact that you could trip, stumble,

poke your muzzle into the mud, and it was going to jam eight inches of mud into your muzzle, which I've never seen actually happen in real life. And then you would pull the trigger and the back pressure would cause the gun to blow up. I packed a barrel full of snow this morning. Bad. Man. Really?

Mm-hmm. I packed my rifle barrel full of mud, packing a bowl. The bowl was already long since expired and in pieces and partially on my back but stumbling through the rifle slid off and and uh that is terrible but it got cold enough to where that whole core of mud just came out and i swear to god that thing was so clean i don't understand how it worked but um yeah it's just an odd you mean a major barrel cleaner like it just yeah but i did a you know full maybe i had just built up how dirty it was going to be in my mind and by the time i got back and actually put a light down the barrel

and looked at it i was very very amazed at how clean it was. You feeling good about it? Yeah. This is one that I like because I've heard it discussed in a lot of circles with folks that have produced all sorts of shows and movies for Netflix, which is, does it bother you that all those months of hard work can be watched in

a day? Yes. Yes. Maggie? Yeah. Absolutely. When's season nine? Are you getting those comments yet? The number one comment. That's probably the number one question on here. You should have that as an audio thing.

When's season nine? nine filming it right now i think that's just the whole world of this i mean not that i work on the show but just production and post-production it's like a lot of stuff i do sometimes you have to think about it like man the lifespan is less than 12 hours and the days and time and that i put in a into it more or less than also all the other people working on it. It's just crazy to think about. But a big motion picture that you also watch in 90 to 120 minutes. These can spend years on it. Years. Oh, yeah.

Millions of dollars for those two hours. Millions and millions. But it's worth it. Nobody complains about that. that no that's a good point uh nerd tech question do you have a pack weight limit how much is too much man it's gone down over the years uh at a time we would carry around packs that were approaching 100 pounds. And it's like something really weird happens when you jump up. Like even when you jump up to like 70 pounds, you put it on and you suddenly feel kind of fragile.

Like you put it on and you could picture hurting yourself. You're like, i could picture tripping and hurting myself and i have done a couple big pack outs i don't know if it was probably not over 100 pounds but done a couple pack outs when i was you know over a decade ago uh that just that that your body didn't feel right for a week or two after. Yeah. I don't do it anymore. I just don't do it anymore. When we weighed those packs on that Washington elk hunt,

I was like 84 and yours was? Like no low 90s maybe. And they were pretty brutal. who were you with one time to pull off 109 pound pack i was over the top i think for me on that one uh can't remember i've been dandote he pulled off a pack that weighed 109 or something once yeah yours was what 89 there's a there's a lot that you could we could pull off i, I'm sure I could carry a 130-pounder out of the woods, but I'm playing the long game these days. And I want to be hunting elk and romping the mountains well into my 60s.

That means I have at least 20 years, maybe 25, of good mountain hunting. And I'd much rather take it. This last bull I killed in Colorado. We did two trips. The guy that I was with was not going to do one big load anyways. I probably could have doubled up quarters and packed it out. So if I had two guys like me, we could have done it in one trip. But we just went lighter packs, 50 to 60 pounds, did two trips.

Felt great at the end of the day. Walked an extra six miles, but it was a nice day to be in the mountains you know yeah yeah i i think it for context like i can put 10 days worth of what i need to live and and honestly pretty darn comfortably in the mountains, um, on my back and the whole kit, everything I need is, is under 60 pounds for 10 days. Wow. I don't know if that does provide context for folks, but. Yeah. Well, then you're like, you put it on and you're very aware of having that pack on. Yeah.

Yeah. You're like aware that it's there. Yeah. it on and you're very aware of having that pack on yeah you know yeah you're like aware that it's there yeah and i guess the good news there is like from the first snack on it's getting lighter the whole time you know like it will until it's time to start packing animals out it's it's not gonna increase in weight hey folks exciting news for those who live or hunt in Canada. And, boy, my goodness do we hear from the Canadians whenever we do a raffle or a sweepstakes. And our raffle and sweepstakes law makes it that they can't join. Whew, our northern brothers get irritated. Well, if you're sick of, you know, sucking high and titty there,

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How do you learn to gauge the size of deer at long distance? Just by looking at them all the time. And the other thing is, you got to kind of ask yourself like why do you care uh we like i like to look because you like big giant bucks yeah like the other day i was saying to someone we were hunting with some guys and one of these guys had passed up a five-point bull and i was saying my new mantra is that uh elk are for eating and mule deer are for looking for big ones. Yeah, I guess you just learn little, I don't know, like a good, like for us, when we're like looking at mule deer and looking at coos deer and stuff,

the first thing you're looking for is kind of like the most immediate reference is you describe bucks as like outside the ears, inside the ears, outside the ears, inside the ears. Like if you see a buck and his horns are wider than his ears you take notice you're like let me get a look right yeah there's buck he's inside the ears the truly big ones doesn't matter what species of antlered animal this is our buddy jay scott this is good advice say this is like it's gonna look abnormally large on his head it's gonna make his head look little is those are the truly it looks weird it looks weird because it's so big you can all the you know oh it was touching his butt when he put his head back or when he turned his head it was as wide as you know from his shoulders to this that

and the other the really big ones they like, there's no question about it. If you have to try to talk yourself into it, it's not as big as you want it to be. Other things, like, if you really are, like, trying to trophy judge an animal. Well, no, before we get into that, another quick hitter is usually the more mature animals are going to have a little bit of a darker antler, especially looking at mule deer. The young, spindly ones tend to be a little bit of a darker antler, especially looking at mule deer. The young spindly ones tend to be a little bit whiter in color, a little chalkier. The darker ones are the more mature ones.

But after that, it comes down to tine length. You're looking for long tines. With a big, thick, chocolatey outside the ears. We were talking about this the other the ears we were talking about this today because we're talking like what like why why does everyone seem to in our like group of friends and stuff everyone sort of agrees on what's like absolutely like a shooter buck right and i don't know it just has certain yeah dark antlered yeah a minimum amount passes amount. Out passes, out passes years and. Oh, I will tell you. Just looking all the time.

Uh, the last time I got to go up and hunt Alberta for mule deer, uh, my spotting scope actually got stolen out of the back of my truck. So I was up there hunting without a spotting scope and it was like very, very frustrating. But I, so all I had my, um, tripod and my binoculars on the tripod and was glassing. And, um, I had to, and you're looking at deer from a long way away. I had to really rely on, uh, the body, like that is a big body. It appears to have a big gut on it and it's got antlers on its head. I'm going to go after that buck, not the rest of these bucks, because that is just a significantly bulkier deer that, that looks older from this perspective.

Sway back belly dragger. And I will tell you absolutely no exaggeration. I was consistently hunting larger deer than the guys that were hunting with spotting scopes. Is that right? Yeah. Cause they're, it's like, you want to go take off and chase a deer and go hunt it. And, and I would have been the exact same way, but, and they were like, boy, that's a really

nice deer. Boy, that's a really nice deer. And they're like, it's gotta be big. Like a little bit of talking yourself into it because you're raring to go and you want to go. I give every deer the benefit of the doubt. Yeah. I start out assuming every deer is a buck and

every buck is a biggin'. Until it proves otherwise, that's my operating assumption. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. See, here's a question that has nothing to do with the season eight of Meat Eater. How long can you keep properly packaged frozen wild game before eating it?

Depends on what it is. I just got, my wife and I stayed up late last night and I made a big mess and got in trouble because I decided to defrost my freezer, which we're going through a cold snap right now. It's a great time for freezer defrosting. I was thinking about your dad

saying, you know what? Don't curse the darkness. Light a candle. It's zero negative something out there right now. That's a great idea pull everything out of your freezer just chuck it on the back deck at our house you do have to cover it because the magpies will get after it i don't know how the hell they figure out that there's meat out there we're talking about the other day it's like i know because if it's just a piece of if it's a bone with some scrap on it, I was like, it's color. But how do they know?

I don't know. God, they got a good nose on them. Yeah, it must be. It must be the nose. So anyways, the day before, I just turned the freezer off after I emptied it and opened up the plug at the bottom, thinking, ah, there's like a little bit of frost in there that needs to melt out when i came home it was like not half but like you know there was a good 10 foot radius around the freezer really yeah dude i need to defrost my freezer but anyways we put it all back in there last night and uh there was a tenderloin

elk tenderloin from 2017 i get so attached to those things that I'm like, ah, you guys aren't worth it. Let's save it for another year. I got no problem. I think it's going to be a great piece of meat. Oh, absolutely. Especially that. I would say it depends on what it is. Meaning, I like to eat, when we go to our fish shack and bring salmon home, I like to

get them eaten up. Yes. All that seafood does not do well. It doesn't do well. Like, all seafood. Like, if you got bluegill fillets, you know there's that fish giant, trevally, and everybody likes to call them GTs? Let me start calling bluegills BGs.

If you got bluegill fillets, they're so lean, you know what I mean? If you freeze, like, bluegill fillets in water, I mean, you can keep them for a long time. But generally, like seafood, I just like to get rid of it. I was going to say that I think that a high fat content has to do with how little, how, what am I trying to say? Fatty fish can't freeze long. Sure, or fatty meat, for that matter. Pork just doesn't last.

The fat ends up going bad. Bare meat that's not properly trimmed goes bad fast in the freezer. Like the fat goes rancid in the freezer. Properly trimmed, like let's just say we're talking about venison. Members of the deer family, trim the tallow off, trim the fat off.

It lasts for years. If you can vac seal it, but then you got to take care of the bags. And I use a vac sealer for seafood because I think it does a nice job of seafood, but I like to wrap my red meat. I like to wrap it in plastic wrap and I like to wrap in wax freezer paper and good tight wrap. Then put the wax freezer paper on it. Seems like a lot lot but you can eat it years later i quit labeling the meat in my freezer i quit labeling the date because then people i don't like having to explain the date to people right yeah and my wife looks in there and she sees something that says 2017

well you're like what the hell is that i just don't even put it on it, and no one has to know. Then I don't have to explain why stuff on my counter says three years ago if it came down to it. It's not like David Meltzer brought over the shit from 2017. Dug it up. But I try to do a – how do you call it? We talked about this last in, first out. It's first in, first out? Yeah. Yeah, I used to work at a grocery store. First in, first out. It's first in, first out? Yeah. Yeah, I used to work at a grocery store.

Yeah, I try to do first in, first out. And in fact, now the hunting season is totally rolling, I have a plan. I need to go do some organization. And I'm going to take anything I have from last year is going into my kitchen freezer. And the rule being that's all gone before anybody – because I still have some stray stuff from last year. That's all gone before anybody taps into this year. Even though I've been eating this year already because if I come home with stuff, rather than just freezing it, I'll sometimes just start eating it. Yeah. Which makes sense.

It's like why freeze it and thaw it? You know what I mean? Yeah. It's a good rotation. It's so nice to do a little freezer clean, because you forget you have all these little goodies. Like, I found a couple bags of crabs that you brought for me that hadn't gotten

eaten yet. From this year. Yeah, I hope so. They didn't have a date on them. There's a reason for that. What else did I find in there? Some turkey liver pate that I froze. I'm going to save for some little fancy cocktail dinner time type thing.

I hope I'm invited. Here's one. Ready, everyone? How do you know when you're done? Okay. I'd love to know more about shooting and wounding an animal. How do you know when you're done searching? At what point is the breaking point for giving in?

Oh, that's tough. Yanni? Man, I think when you're exhausted. Well, that's not true. No, that's stupid. It's not stupid. You're exhausted. Well, if you're already tired.

It's going to be, no, exhausted from the looking part. Because there's been times when we've gone back to camp. I've gone back to camp, gotten a full night's rest, and then searched all the next day and become exhausted from looking. Not exhausted from the hunt. It's mentally taxing, too. Oh, man. Yeah.

No. Yeah. Mentally and physically exhausted. But when you just, I don't know, when you just feel like there's no hope, you have to start. What happens, I think, after a while with a lot of experience of hitting animals with projectiles and making good and bad hits

is that you just get to read, you see the same things play over and over, over again. Like when you see a broadhead, the broadhead tipped arrow going to an elk's shoulder, four, five, six, maybe even eight inches, you know what? I'm like probably not going to do too much looking. I've just seen too many of those.

It's just like, dude, that thing gets hit worse when he fights with his buddy tomorrow, you know, from the antler times, right? So after a while, you learn to read those hits, you know? If I had to answer the question, that's why I deferred to you. If I had to answer it, I would say that the more you're exposed to, the more you start to, like, make sense of things, and it changes your approach. Where if you're like, I, that thing, I know that thing's dead or I know that thing's not going to die.

Right. Yeah. But man, it's the assumption that that's such a killer too. Like, I mean, I've just seen the most bizarre stuff and that bowl I lost in New Mexico. Like it was such a non-lethal hit and it was like that placement the ever the penetration was just a non-lethal hit the way the bull moved afterwards followed the tracks no blood no nothing non-lethal non-lethal non-lethal um the one thing though is he was still packing that arrow

and i swear to god man like what we found when we ultimately found the bull which was just pure dumb ass luck um was like i you know backtrack from where the carcass is and i swear to god that thing laid down and jammed that arrow into him. But I was like doing my due diligence here, following tracks that I know aren't going to amount to anything. Well, you really have to do that. Yeah, man. When people make the call without even walking over, that's bad.

Yeah, you should never do that. And there's some things you learn. Like I was on a tracking job one time, something we didn't find where you find like a bone fragment and not a lot of blood yeah and you're like lower you know you're like okay lower leg it's gonna be tough yeah i've been there you know then then like i said this little telltale signs man where you're like people be like holy shit he must be real dead there's a bone fragment laying here like how would that happen like well i have to hit him in the yeah but he's gone i still gotta look a long time since i told this story but i was way back when

i was guiding antelope hunters guy shot this buck pancaked it i was like oh something didn't look right and and he was very very excited um real nice antelope bug and i'm like reload reload reload and he was kind of in the throes of like triumph and finally he snaps back into it but just in time to see that antelope get up and haul ass out of there and go over. And there is like the very top, uh, I gotta learn the name of what this is, but you know, like the long spine, uh, chunks of bone that come up from the spine, like on the neck.

The thoracic process. Is that on the neck? Yes. Yeah. Um. How'd you like that, Maggie? That was excellent. I really liked that. Dude, very impressive. Is that on the neck? Yes. Yeah. How'd you like that, Maggie? That was excellent. I really liked that.

Dude, very impressive. Is that the corrected version? Very impressive that I knew that. Yeah. Someone wrote in about that. Might have even been our chiropractor buddy, Jay. The thoracic processes or whatever? No, that it was...

I wish Phil the editor was more... Give me a second. Phil the engineer did a lot of fact checking. Way outside of his job description. We can make it my job description. That's fine. I'm going to rewrite that description. But we have a significant race.

Medical fact checking. There is hair, blood, and that top of that bone laying on the prairie. Oh my gosh. Really? Yeah. I've never seen that.

Had a client two weeks later kill that buck. Really? Yeah. And you knew it was the same one just because of... Oh, because of the giant scar and caked blood and pus. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Okay, you want to hear... This is from Brian. You hunted with Brian at the auctioned TRCP hunt last year in Colorado. I asked him about it after someone else had written in about it, and he replied, for most mammals, the projections off the vertebrae are generally referred to as spinous processes and transverse processes that sounds like mostly right that's an educated guess i have not heard of thoracic processes that doesn't mean that one

doesn't exist oh the thoracic is just the first one so it's the i was mostly wrong well the thoracic is is seven vertebra, isn't it? Is it a cervical, thoracic, lumbar, sacrum, coccyx? The spinniest process. Yeah, whatever. I was mostly right. A couple folks, actually a lot of folks asked this. Different forms of the same question. What do you guys pack for food for the longer hunts?

Like the Alaska doll sheep hunt. That episode was a lot of people's favorite episode. It's contemplative. Contemplative. I go with contemplative. And the scenery is. Beautiful scenery. It's kind of like quiet and poetic and nice music.

Anyhow, what do you eat on that stuff? And now, too, I'd like to add that we have a very good spectrum within the meteor library of what dull sheep hunts can be like. Yes. Because when you had the togue tag and we ran up there, we found a shrimp before the opening day and then- Got it that morning. Yeah. I mean, we found him mid- No, it wasn't because remember it was super foggy.

We probably actually didn't even see him until probably close to noon. But anyways, yeah, that next day. Yeah, I shouldn't say he got in that morning, but. He was dead. And we kind of complained. It's too easy. Or at least mentioned. We were like, man, sure missed out on running a bunch of ridges.

That would have been fun. Well, we got to run our. Actually, we didn't run too many ridges because it's too cloudy ran a lot of valley floors we ran a lot of valley floors on this last trip but um yeah we have we have both types of doll sheep hunts and then there's everything in between i'm gonna give our you know we're this is the first time anyone's mentioned this and i hesitate to even mention it we are working on two books.

One of these books will contain a lot of information like what I'm going to tell you right now. Our basic backcountry meal plan goes like this. Instant coffee. Oh, check this out.

We use Starbucks Via. We use Starbucks Via in bags of powdered creamer. So it looks like you got a bag of Coke in a cocaine movie. You guys want to rub it on your lips and go, that's good shit. A lot of people like to complain about the Via. I'm done. We've tried a lot of other products. It's hard to find.

Well, a dude in Missoula. He found one. Wow. Hear me out. Hear me out. This dude in Missoula, Sam, I got his address on my desk. I'm done with the Vias because it's micro trash, man. It does leave a lot of micro trash, but you got to police your micro trash.

But here's the thing. I thought you know this guy. I do. Oh. Yeah. There's a guy, Sam. Yeah. Is that right?

BHA supporter. Darn good guy. He sent me, I think it's like the surfing dude, Laird Hamilton. Is that am I correct Laird's the man that is a surfing dude he's the man I like Mark Healy myself

well I like him too Mark Healy doesn't make the product I'm talking about he's got like all these coffees anyways he sent me this coffee and I haven't tried it yet

because I'm saving it for a backcountry trip it's coffee and creamer mixed really oh I saw that Laird superfood original and sure i don't know there's like a sweet one original one it's like instant coffee and it's

the creamer is supposed to be made of and it's funny because he wrote a letter saying i don't know that you're in me like he's saying i don't know, meaning me, if you're into superfood, but maybe Giannis is. Like, he has Giannis' personality more pegged as one likely to be into superfood. But I am into superfood because I think squirrel is superfood. There's a lot of things. Yeah, there's a lot. I think I have because you just get to name shit you think is superfood, right? Yeah.

I think squirrel is a superfood. I'm into superfood. I like it. But I'm looking forward to trying that. But I wanted to give our- I want to try that too. Here's our basic back country meal plan. Hold on.

You wake up in the morning. I'm not done with the coffee. I'm not done with the coffee yet. So I switched over to going back to old school. No S Cafe? Just getting the, unfortunately, little glass jar of whatever. Folgers. Instant.

Yeah. We just, we just drank that for eight days. You know, cause I. No, I didn't. I didn't want to drink. I drank via the whole time. Other people that we were with had to drink it. Taster's Choice.

Noah's Cafe. Taster's Choice. Yeah. The one that, uh, I think has the Mexican flag on there. Know what, Nowayani? Well, I was just thinking to myself, you know what would have been a great product for the backcountry, but I don't, I'm trying to buy it right now on Google,

and I don't know if it's available, but General Foods International Coffee. Remember those? They were like a rectangular box with the red lid. Snap on, snap off lid. Yeah. And it had everything that you needed in there. Creamer, sugar, caffeine.

But I'm not seeing it right now on the internet. It might have gone out of business. Yeah, it might not be around. I'm looking forward to that stuff that dude Sam sent me. I need to write him a thank you note. So let me give you our meal plan. All right. You guys can complexify this all you want.

Where are you going to start with? Breakfast? I started with coffee. I'm just not going as quick as I wanted to. A Starbucks via. Then, whether you do or do not use cream, we'll usually take a little container. Some of our WPAs put it in a Ziploc bag, which drives me crazy.

It's better to have a little container. You get an REI in the little container section. Full of cream. Oatmeal. Two envelopes per person. Instant oatmeal packages. You eat the oatmeal out of the bag.

Just like, what? What? What? I'm going to have to interject because. I said you can complexify it all you want. I'm trying to help people out. Go ahead. What now?

I know, but we've like, it's not, I don't think you're being honest by saying that that is like our go-to anymore. Because you might eat two of those packets per trip. Like, those things... He was asking about a doll sheep hunt. What might one plan on bringing? Okay, but that was one thing. You know what?

Sorry. Your answer, your question cannot be answered. No, it can be answered. I'm just saying, are you going to add more breakfast items? Because that's like, it can be answered. I'm just saying, are you going to add more breakfast items? Because that's like, it's not. I want everybody to know the good communication being taken. I like those vinegary Heather's Choice breakfast. Yep.

Those are good. That's not oatmeal. No. But it's like a quick little thing. I tell you what I don't like is as much as I love house, I don't like house. I don't like house's breakfast skillet. Yeah. We ate quite a few of those on that trip, though.

Okay. So bagels and cream cheese. I like that. But I'm trying to talk about like a real. Anybody can figure out how to feed themselves. I'm trying to talk about like if you, like a backpacking, a plausible backpacking menu. Let me do this. I'm going to talk about a time Giannis wasn't there.

Instant coffee. Instant oatmeal. instant oatmeal then for lunch you have flatbread with sliced meat and cheese and you have a container of uh mayo or mustard or both uh and my brother likes to have an onion that he adds into it and you make a little thing where you get like two flatbreads and a bunch of meat and cheese. We used to use Carl Buddig lunch meat because it can't rot. Like it can't rot. I don't know how. You'd have it for months in the back of your truck.

And it's as fresh somehow as fresh as the day you bought it. So we used to like that stuff. Or you can bring donk, like summer sausage, whatever. Like a meat and a cheese that you put on a flatbread and you put mayo or mustard and that's your lunch, your dinner. We've had good luck with all kinds of cured meats lately because they have some of the same properties as the Carl Buddig. Is it Buddig or Budding?

Carl. We always call it Carl. We didn't even use the second word. You guys were thinking about that. You go to, I'll get the instant coffee. You go to the grocery store. I'll get the instant coffee. You get a bunch of Carl.

I'll meet you at checkout. And everybody knows what that meant. Yeah. Dinner, house. And then all throughout the day, you're eating tons of bars. And you're getting really jealous of the guy at night who has some Pringles or corn chips. And then it's great to have candy bars and bars. And you eat those all throughout the day.

And then some decaffeinated tea is usually a big hit at night. The follow-up question is, what kind of bars do you guys like? The answer is, all and none. All of them and none of them. Just get yourself

a variety because no matter what your favorite is, if it's freaking chocolate coconut today, in two days, chocolate coconut will not be

your favorite anymore. Yeah. Some favorites. Pro bar, nothing with fruit. I don't like any fruity Pro Bar. I'm a fruit lover.

We like Pro Bar. We like Packaroons. Packaroons. From Heather's Choice. Heather's Choice. Those are good. I haven't heard of those. I like those.

Those are good. I just got a little box of those. My nostalgia one is the sweet and salties. Yeah. They do nothing for you. No. Like the sweet and salties Yeah They do nothing for you No All the sweet and salty It's like eating a candy bar

It's like a hybrid between a candy bar and a granola bar Makes you feel better though We eat We eat those ones that are all It's just like health food It's like It'll say on the package Like four dates

Three eggs Oh yeah RX bar We eat a lot of kind. I'm a big kind bar guy. Snickers. People always buy Snickers. Snickers

with almonds. I ate a bunch on my last trip. A lot of Snickers. The only time I think I ever eat a Snickers is when I'm around Giannis. He's got them. It's always in our loot. There's always Snickers in our loot. had starbursts when we were turkey hunting That's what you had in your pocket

Anything like that gets eaten up If you were smart If you were smart you'd shop Now we talk about this You might not be smart to do that I'll say if you were smart You'd come out of the mountains Not eat anything and then go to a grocery store

And buy all your stuff for your next trip. Yeah. But then your next trip would be like Pringles, corn chips, hot dogs, pizza, rotisserie chicken. It'd be like all the stuff where you're just totally calorie starved. You'd go into a store and be like, I'll take

all this. Miso soup, instant miso soup for cold weather hunts, man. It's really salty. It's just a nice treat and it recharges all that lost sodium. Like midday when I fire up the jet boil when it's weather like this, man. I'm doing the same thing with chicken and beef stock cubes. Yeah.

Those little bouillon cubes. That's good. I'm doing the same thing with chicken and beef stock cubes. Yeah. Those little bouillon cubes. That's good. I like pickle juice. Let's do one more. In the backcountry? Like a hot pickle juice? Not hot, but I brought some turkey honey in my water bowl. Wow.

Is it cut with a bunch of water or is it all pickle juice? Pickle juice. It wasn't the full thing. Can you buy just pickle juice? You can buy it, but I had pickles at home. So I just poured the juice in a, I had like a small water bottle and I just brought that with me. Because I like Gatorade and I had Gatorade

powder in that. Last question. We all know what the answer is for Maggie. Everybody gets to do it and that's going to be a wrap. Phil, we're even going to let you do it. Hey, thanks, man. What animal gets your blood pumping the most and why? We know for Maggie, it's obviously turkeys.

Sneaky Pete. One specific turkey. When Maggie gets around a turkey, she loses her ability to shoot. There's a lot of things going on in my head. We're like, never shoot him in full strut unless he's in full strut. Shut up.

I'll never live this down. Did I say that? Yeah, forget that, man. If he's in full strut, go. Listen to me all the time. Except for this. But then you gotta know when not to listen to me. I wish I had like a little Steve, like Phil would have been there with a soundboard and it could have been you going, shoot, in my head. Oh, I would have been flipping out.

So, Maggie, I'm going to let you answer. I don't mean to answer for you. I'll go first. What animal gets my blood pumping the most and why? Wild turkeys, mule deer, and it's just so much fun to hunt squirrels.

It's fun to go out with your friends and hunt squirrels. Wild turkeys and mule deer and squirrels just because it's not the squirrels so much. It's just always so enjoyable. Oh, yeah. All the pressures of a big game hunt aren't there. It's just like you're just laughing and having fun. Just fun.

Walk around the woods with your buddies looking for squirrels. Gets my blood pumping. But like big mule deer bucks get my blood pumping. Yeah, man. Yeah. I mean, I, I, man, I, the quest for a big mule deer buck is still one I am on and I'm in this bad spot where I feel like I've blown like

three chances of a lifetime at just a monster buck. Yeah. I've only, I don't, I've almost gotten too many of them. Oh yeah, man. But you're Steve Rinella. I mean, think all the resources

you have at those big fat fingertips of yours. I'm just an average Joe. Yeah, man. I've lost my cool on those damn things like embarrassingly twice. And so, yeah, man, that's still at the top of the list.

And I feel like for a long time I've compartmentalized elk into you go in the freezer. Elk are for eating. Like, I'm just shuffling you into the freezer. No time to get too excited. Like, let's just get on with the process here, buddy. Elk are for eating. Mule deer are for looking for big ones. Yeah.

I want to go to T-Shirt that says that. Yeah, I like it. I like it. Phil? Hey. This is kind of a different answer. It's whichever of the deer that jump out in front of my car uh when i'm taking the rural roads into town during the winter those are the

ones that get my blood pumping i hear you for separate reasons and uh than you guys but i like phil man he's got a smart answer yeah he quick on his toes man I think he's getting wiser Can we jump over and talk about Phil's mustache real quick I mean the growth is The luxuriant I like it But you do need to dye it

Phil's got a stat With Phil the curtains Don't match the drapes Of his face Of my face Phil's got a stat you know like with Phil the curtains don't match the drapes yes of his face of my face the drapes of my face thank you for that

clarification yeah we've talked about just for men touch of gray is what Lakata suggested I think

just to look distinguished but yeah it's for my Halloween costume tomorrow. I hope you guys will be here in the office. I can't wait to see it. I can't wait.

For as much time as he spends with the headphones on, I want like a real newscaster type of haircut to go with that mustache. It'd be great. It's like a side part. Yes. Kind of nice and coiffed. Coiffed?

No one's ever used that word on this podcast before. Quaft? No. First time. Making history. First time. You're welcome. Titillating?

Many times. Yes, I'm sure. Many times. Quaft? Never. Crooner? Crooner? Never.

Can you define quaft? Okay. You know, like a pompadour. You know, you got a little bit of a lift, a curl and a lift. Just say more of that at 10. More of that. Already ruined it.

No, can't do it. Say, let's go to Bill outside. Let's go to Bill outside. Bill? Dude, he's good, man. Very talented.

I did the morning announcements at my high school. So, good experience. Yanni? It's still turkeys. Same as the last three times I answered that

question. It's changed. No. You want me to expand? No, no. What more is there to say?

Same as Maggie, man. Because your blood pumping. Yeah. But you sure weren't helping her get that turkey. Yeah, you did. I was flustered, too.

A lot going on there. Maggie, what animal gets your blood most pumping? Well, I have to say a turkey. You know about getting flustered when there's turkeys up close, don't you? No? No, my blood runs cold. Because that same episode... I think. I think.

I think. The only other thing is I had a cockroach crawl up me one time while I was sleeping. Got your blood pumping? Right here. That. Yeah. At the base of your tonsils. Yeah, crawled up while we were living in Puerto Rico and was like right here.

And I screamed just, yeah. I was embarrassed. I don't think that's what they mean. Well, wait, it got my blood pumping. But mostly Turks. Yeah. Sure. It's the only thing I've gone after.

So we'll see. Ask me that question in a year. Cal's going to change that in the next couple of weeks, months. Yeah. Dude, maybe you got to do a deer hunt, man. All right. I got my tag. gotta do a deer hunt, man. Alright. I got my tag. I went and bought that. Yes. Joe told me to do that.

Good. Good, yes. I'm gonna go buy my duck stamp right now. Well, as soon as we're done eating cookies for your birthday. Oh, Maggie's birthday! I'm gonna go get my duck stamp. Old! Old Mags. How old are you? Old Marge is what they call me upstairs. You haven't even hit 30 yet. Old. Old mags. How old are you? Old Marge is what they call me upstairs.

You haven't even hit 30 yet. No. How old are you? Old Marge, 29. Oh, you got one more year of that. Some people find their peak at different ages, Steve. It's old mags, old Marge. I'm looking forward to hitting my peak.

It's yet to come. I'm going to stay optimistic. Okay, guys, thanks a a lot I hope these questions are helpful to people and biggest thing I got to say is this season 8 of Meat Eater available now on Netflix go there stream

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